WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:07.120 All right, looks like we are live. Welcome everybody. By 2 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:09.080 the way, I forgot to link your channel. I will 3 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.119 link your channel below. I'm not a douchebag. I'm not 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:14.839 gonna not link your channel. I just didn't get to 5 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:18.079 it yet. But your channel is I think Old World Florida. 6 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:18.760 Is that correct? 7 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:22.719 That's right, Jay, Old World Florida. 8 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:28.079 With me today, doctor Narco. And I'm assuming that's not 9 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.519 your real PhD title, right. 10 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:34.119 No, I told you you could call me Connor if 11 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:37.759 you wanted. That's my real name, Connor. But that's that's 12 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.880 just my YouTube kind of pseudonym. 13 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.560 Gotcha? And can I ask like what it refers to 14 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.159 or is that some is it inside joke or something. 15 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:50.039 It's just the letters of my name rearranged. 16 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:58.920 Gotcha? Okay, irish right, Welcome everybody. Is it sound good? 17 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:04.040 Can everybody hear what we're discussing? If you can hear me, 18 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:05.959 let me know in the chat. Make sure this sounds 19 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:09.280 good with him too. And he hit me up today. 20 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:11.480 I think he had messaged me a while back, or 21 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.400 one of your buddy's has I can't remember. But with 22 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:18.920 the possibility of discussing our world views and today we 23 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:22.840 got into discussion about vegetarianism. So I have an opening 24 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:27.079 statement that isn't that long, or you could go first. 25 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.480 But before we get into the discussion of who Jesus is, 26 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.719 worldviews all that kind of stuff, do you want to 27 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:34.680 tell us about yourself and what kind of stuff you 28 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.239 cover and then I will later link below so people 29 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:39.480 can follow you if they're interested. 30 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.480 Sure, well, thanks for having me on Jay, I appreciate 31 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:51.079 you being polite. I run the Old World Florida YouTube channel, 32 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:56.439 and that's pretty much like Florida History, but tending towards 33 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:05.439 the esoteric conspiracy theory, you know, hauntings and Atlantis stuff 34 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:10.840 like that. So yeah, we talk about Christianity sometimes we 35 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:15.840 talk about holistic health and that's pretty much what my 36 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.080 channel's about. 37 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.599 Gotcha, now can the chat? Can you guys let me know? 38 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:28.599 Are you guys able to hear? There's everything good? This 39 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:33.599 is acting weird. I can't tell. I got my monetization back, 40 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.599 so it's all it's all different now. But all right, 41 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:41.199 So today we had a disagreement over the question of vegetarianism, 42 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.159 and we'll kick that off. I'll go first, if you 43 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.599 don't mind, and then I'll let you have the floor. 44 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.360 You can make whatever arguments, say whatever you want. I 45 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:54.680 would say that if that, it's not possible that Jesus 46 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.680 is a vegetarian. And my argument would be that if 47 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.240 we begin by looking by the book of Genesis. In 48 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:06.360 Genesis nine, God says to Noah that he has the 49 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:10.439 ability to eat animals. Now after the flood. This was 50 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:12.919 not something that was allowed prior to that. But we 51 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.400 have a specific allowance that's made in Genesis nine when 52 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:19.080 the law is given, and the law is not given 53 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.439 by a different deity unless you want to adopt what's 54 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.240 called Marcianism, and that would have its own set of problems. 55 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.000 In Leviticus three, there's the peace offering, and in the 56 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.599 peace offering, it's considered to be a covenant meal. It's 57 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:37.039 a ritual celebration where the person brings a sacrifice, which 58 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.759 is an animal, and that animal is sacrificed cook and 59 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.719 it's shared by the priest and the communicant or the 60 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.960 ritual worshiper. Likewise, in Exodus, when we come to Exodus 61 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:51.159 twelve with the passover, we read about the lamb that's slaughtered. 62 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:57.039 That's a symbolic sacrifice representing the offering again like in 63 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:59.919 Leviticus three, the peace offering, but at this time it's 64 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:04.000 offering where it's an innocent victim that's sacrificed in Eton 65 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.280 that is shared by all of the Jews. And then 66 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:09.560 as we move up into the New Testament, when Christ 67 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.400 the Messiah comes, he fulfills all of these ritual symbols 68 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.160 and actions. And in one way. One way that he 69 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.560 does that is that he keeps the law of the 70 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.920 Old Covenant, because we would say, and I can argue 71 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:26.519 this textually, that he's the one that gave the law 72 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:28.240 in the Old Testament. So in other words, Jesus is 73 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:31.759 the one that gave the laws in Leviticus and Exodus 74 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.759 about what ritual sacrifices and meals were to be had. 75 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.800 And so when Christ gives him lists himself as the Passover, 76 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.560 that's another affirmation that he was the one that was 77 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.720 intended by the meal, the sacrifice all along. Thus, it 78 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:52.120 could not be possible for Christ to be the Pasca, 79 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:55.360 as we call him in the Orthodox Church, which is 80 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.920 the Greek term for passover. He couldn't be the Pasca's 81 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.079 meal if he isn't the fulfillment of the actual eating 82 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:07.079 of the animal in Exodus twelve. Likewise, in the New 83 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:11.680 Testament we have Jesus after the Resurrection eating fish with 84 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:14.519 his apostles, which shows us that he does not, even 85 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.800 after the resurrection, reject the possibility of eating flesh or 86 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:22.160 eating meat. The Church also had to deal with this 87 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.720 early on in the days of Paul. Paul wrote to 88 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.680 Timothy and pointed out in the first I think it's 89 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:37.959 let me see it's first, Timothy four. First, simply four, 90 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.040 Paul says that people will forbid marriage and the eating 91 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.040 of meat, which is a doctrine of devils ultimately. And 92 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.120 then in the early days of the Church we have 93 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:51.720 this statement from Saint Hippolotis of Rome that there's also 94 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:55.040 with us Indians, the sect of those who are called Brahmins, 95 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.279 and they abstain from living creatures and all cooked food. 96 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.399 This is his second describing the heresies that the early 97 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:06.920 Church rejects up into the seventh century. When reread about 98 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:09.560 what Saint John Damascus wrote, you know on the heresies, 99 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.920 he lists a bunch of early Church heretics, such as 100 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:17.079 the Incretites, who forbade the eating of meat, and for 101 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:21.040 that reason alone that was enough to castigate them. Underneath 102 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:26.879 Paul's rejection of a Gnostic group. Likewise, in Luke five, 103 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.839 we read about Jesus telling the Apostles to cast their 104 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.199 net on the other side and they catch a large 105 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:37.439 load of fishes, which wouldn't happen if Jesus was a 106 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:41.399 vegetarian or vegan or whatever. And then we have Peter's vision, 107 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:46.040 which we believe comes from Christ, where symbolically the animals 108 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.680 come down, Peter is told to kill and eat. Now 109 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.000 there's many more examples, but these are just kind of 110 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.800 like the brief summary examples of how Christ is the 111 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.399 one who gave the commands both in the Old and 112 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:03.600 the New Testament, that it's okay to eat me. I apologize. 113 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.639 I'm a little sick. So if my voice and if 114 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:12.360 I cough the lids because I've got a cold, feel 115 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:13.360 free to go ahead. 116 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.000 Carnivore diet got you down? 117 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:20.959 Okay, No, I don't think I have it. 118 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.959 I don't have a cold because of a carnival Okay. 119 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:29.319 Well, you bring up some good points, and I'd just 120 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.680 like to say that from the beginning, from the beginning, 121 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:38.959 a man was created, vegetarian, Jesus came back, came to 122 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.879 redeem us and set us back to the Genesis standard. 123 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.480 I don't think it's christian like of you to use 124 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.279 Exodus or Leviticus to justify a diet when in fact, 125 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:51.240 you look at Jesus's own teachings, he would not do 126 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.800 the same. He would take it back to Genesis and say, 127 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.199 from the beginning it was not so. I think you'll 128 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:56.839 agree with that. 129 00:07:57.519 --> 00:07:58.079 Uh. 130 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.240 Jesus from the beginning is all about setting us back 131 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:06.839 to the Genesis standard, which is Genesis one twenty nine. 132 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.560 Fruit in or a bearing seed kills nothing. It's the 133 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.879 optimal human diet. It is the original human factory settings. 134 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:18.959 But just to state my position up front, is Jesus 135 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:24.199 was a vegetarian at worst or best in your case, 136 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:27.680 he may have been a light pescatarian. He may have 137 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.800 had a comfort with fish. But I think we're going 138 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.919 to show that his place of birth, the community he 139 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.159 was a part of, his family members all point to 140 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.679 a vegetarian diet. Not only that you belong to the 141 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.879 Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church puts a heavy emphasis on 142 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.879 a vegetarian diet. And I would we can we can 143 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:51.120 get to all these points you know later on. But 144 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:55.279 you bring up Timothy four Timothy four has to do 145 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.840 with meat. He does not say flesh or corpse. Timothy 146 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.720 four says, uh, you know they will eat herbs, right, 147 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:05.200 It's down to herbs. 148 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:12.240 Is that true? I think we're on a time lag here. 149 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.399 By the way, I mean, it says abstaining for meats. 150 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:16.960 I can look up the Greek word if you want. 151 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:21.279 Right, so, meats does not mean all flesh. Going back 152 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:25.200 to the Genesis definition, meat means fruit and herb bearing seed. 153 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.480 It's not until Noah gets off the arc. And by 154 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.360 the way, you bring up Noah, well, hold on. 155 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.519 Where do you Where do you get that meats is 156 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:33.240 herbs and. 157 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:38.240 Seeds Genesis one? 158 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:40.600 Wouldn't we look at wouldn't we look up the Greek 159 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.000 word for meats? Why would we go to Genesis about seed? 160 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.960 From the beginning we were created fruit and herb bearing seed. 161 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.559 That's what meat means. 162 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.840 Where do you get that? Where do you get that? 163 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:58.720 Gis no? 164 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.360 Where do you get that the word meets his seeds? 165 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.679 That is the broad Christian interpretations? 166 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.320 Where is that? Says who? I mean? I can look 167 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:12.480 at the Greek right now, the burden of proof is 168 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:14.399 on you. I guess the burn of proof is not 169 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.720 on me, because it's a ridiculous, outlandish claim. 170 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:23.600 Neat means food, does not mean flesh. That's the biglical 171 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:24.559 definition of meat. 172 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.080 No, I'm looking at it right now. The Greek. The 173 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:35.240 Greek word is broma, which means actual victuals or meat. 174 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:38.919 According to the Blue Letter Bible, the Greek term broma. 175 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:45.159 King James version, You've got meat meaning food every English 176 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.799 version of the Bible except for Americanized carnivore. 177 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.240 This is there's Greek lexicon. What are you talking about? 178 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.399 Meat means fruit in her bearing seeds. 179 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.759 The Greek word it's used in the New Testament in 180 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:09.600 that texts. 181 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.360 Your position on the definition of Greek definition of meat? 182 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.799 And wouldn't we look to the Greek definition in First 183 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:17.159 tiventy four? The well, hold on what now you're going 184 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.080 to wa some of the Hebrew interpretation? Why would why 185 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.159 would I need the Hebrew interpretation of Paul. 186 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.159 I've got a on myself where it sounds like I'm 187 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:26.120 arguing with Ned. 188 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.480 Why would I look to the Hebrew interpretation of Genesis 189 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:31.519 when I'm going to what Paul talks about in First 190 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.639 seventy four when he wrote in Greek the early Christians 191 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.840 who what early Christians? Give an example of this site? 192 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:45.399 One give I saw? I cited you the early Christians 193 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.919 like hippologists of Rome. Who says that it is about 194 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.759 actual flesh that's forbidden. Now, what did I say that 195 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:57.519 about origin? Is a heretic? Origin is a heretic. It 196 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.600 doesn't matter what origin is a heritic? 197 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.639 Me and Eve were creative, vegetarian. You're not going to rest, 198 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.399 you don't. 199 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:08.679 You've not made an argument yet in response to anything 200 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.000 a flesh? 201 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.279 What was the original diet? 202 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.000 Did you not hear my opening statement? I said that 203 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.120 Noah stopped interrupting me. In the opening statement, I said, 204 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.320 Noah was given permission to eat meat. 205 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.960 Now that's actually a punishment because God caught him sacrificing animals. 206 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.840 No, that's your made up interpretation. It's not a punishment. Uh, 207 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.080 you understand this would lead to Marcianism? Right? So did 208 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:37.080 Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend Passover? No? 209 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:39.840 They don't. You're making this up. You can't cite. I 210 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.320 just gave you Hippolotis. I just gave you Hippolytis who 211 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:49.159 says that you're wrong? You can't name one that's not true. 212 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.000 I mean, I'm citing you. I'm citing you right now. 213 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:54.799 Origin is a heretic in so Stratona. So you cited 214 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:59.120 two heretics. No, they're not accepted by the church, either 215 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.399 Catholic or the Catholic and Orthodox churches reject those two 216 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:07.639 people as heretics. There might be a monastic people who've 217 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.559 taken a vow to eat that kind of a diet, 218 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:12.919 but that's not the same thing as whether or not 219 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.919 God permitted it or the weather. Jesus was a vegetarian. 220 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.320 Did Jesus Did Jesus attend Passover? 221 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:21.279 He did not eat lamb? 222 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:27.720 Is is he the passover? Lamb? Okay? Who gave the 223 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.879 law and Exod? Who gave the law? Who gave the 224 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:38.519 don't tell me you're out here, We're done, Tell me 225 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:42.159 to be quiet on my Who gave the law? Who 226 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:47.000 gave the law in Exodus? So you're not going to answer. 227 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.360 You're not going to answer who gave the law on Exodus? 228 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:51.399 Did Jesus give the law? 229 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:54.200 God gave the law? 230 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:55.799 Is Jesus God. 231 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:58.279 Not one? 232 00:13:58.320 --> 00:13:58.799 And the same? 233 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:01.919 Yeah? But get he was the one In John five 234 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.039 he says he was the one at mount SINAI giving 235 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:31.360 the law. Yeah, so you're an idiot, all right, I 236 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:38.120 think I'm back now, as I was about to say, 237 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.960 Jesus in Luke twenty two seven to fifteen attends the 238 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.600 Passover with his disciples. Jesus is the one that gave 239 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:51.559 the passover. I mean, it's literally utter nonsense to think 240 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.000 that there was some other God. That's why I said 241 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:57.639 he would have to be some form of Marcian I 242 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:02.320 if he wants to defend this position. And the Greek word, 243 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:05.320 if you want to look it up, it's broma in 244 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:13.559 Strong's one zero three three, and it is a reference 245 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:22.480 to victuals. And for example, in Luke nine it's used 246 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.960 for in the context of the fishes to go and 247 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:37.200 buy quote meat. I'm looking at the references. Paul uses 248 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:42.080 the same term about meat, and it has to be 249 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.840 specifically flesh in fir Corinthians eight and First Corinthians ten, 250 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:53.919 and so meats and diverse meats is clearly talking about 251 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:58.399 unclean foods, and meats unclean in the Jewish context would 252 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:02.000 have to be flesh meets or else. It makes no sense. 253 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:06.159 So this guy has no idea what he's talking about. 254 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:13.399 The only two people he cites are Origin and uh Tertullian, 255 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:19.399 who are both heretics, which is ridiculous. And you're not 256 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.120 gonna come on my channel and tell me to be quiet. 257 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:26.519 This was a complete waste. I knew, I knew it 258 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.279 was gonna go that way, but I thought it would 259 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:36.360 still be funny to do so. Now we got some 260 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.120 super chats. I gotta I'm trying to remember how to 261 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:43.039 do this. I don't even remember how where it shows this? 262 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.399 How do I even see the super chats? Welcome everybody? 263 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:56.559 We got? Uh crap, let's see does it show super chat? Oh? Yeah, 264 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.320 it shows the super chats over here? Okay, dude, I've 265 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:05.400 been so long without super chats that I don't even 266 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:10.960 remember half of this stuff. You can still use stream labs, 267 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.680 by the way, you don't have to use it. All right, 268 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.039 let's see what we got going over here. Are you 269 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.039 gonna do channel memberships? Yes, channel memberships are turned on 270 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.920 right now. Shout out to all the chat members we got, 271 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:30.400 rough hands, Shout out to GM ninety, Zebras, DC, Woodworking, Slowboy, Whiteboard. 272 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.559 I will still use stream labs, she says, Well, Emmanuel, 273 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.400 what's up? Man apast Prophet miss apast prophet, excuse me 274 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.680 a shout out to all the new members. We got 275 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:45.000 synth A, Ben Durham, Kyle, Rolf Steaks, Vain, jethro Job, 276 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:49.640 Prisoners Progress. Dano says, for five bucks. Ay, now the 277 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.839 pay piggies can shine. Don't forget about the stream labs piggies. 278 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:57.279 But this is just for fun. That's what I'm talking about. 279 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.000 That's what I'm talking about, straight up. Kip and here 280 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.920 alc five dollars. First, super chat bish Is it was 281 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.400 actually a melion are Serbian bro, But that's okay. You 282 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:14.079 can have the DIBs on second, Sleepy Neo five dollars. 283 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:16.240 I thought he was gonna start arguing that Jesus used 284 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:21.160 Petuli oil. I mean, I don't think there was any 285 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:26.720 point going any further. JB. That was hilariously brief logical podcast. 286 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.759 Ten dollars. Hush us up, you, hush up, Lodge. I 287 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:34.400 know who you are, rough hands five dollars. I won't 288 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.880 use YouTube often, but I don't see that we were 289 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.680 able to gift memberships. Is that just me? I'm gonna 290 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:44.440 be honest with you, man. Like a lot of YouTube, 291 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.200 it's different. Man. I'm not used to it the way 292 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.599 it works now, so I probably have to go in 293 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.680 there and figure out how to gift memberships. I don't 294 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:56.680 know how to do that. Let's see participants month. It's 295 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.920 probably in the in the settings is somebody. So there's 296 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:01.400 somebody that you used to it or knows how to 297 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.759 do it. Go ahead and tell me what you do. 298 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:13.759 I'm assuming you go into my jene eight five dollars. 299 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:18.119 Soy boy, Vegan confirmed more masculine than reform pastors. I 300 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.960 do give that credit. I got credit because even though 301 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:26.680 his arguments were like targ tear, he at least came 302 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:31.519 to debate, and none of the none of the reform 303 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:35.200 people had the cajones to actually step up at the debate. 304 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:37.960 So even the new Age bros will actually come in 305 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.000 debate now. He says, Oh, I don't like being called 306 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.279 a new ager. Okay, well, I mean you're gonna be 307 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:48.039 tell you're talking about hippie Jesus, who's some form of vegetarian. 308 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:54.880 I mean, okay, whatever, Aman jon Aman, yaman five. I'm 309 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.200 on your mom ten dollars. Maybe some of the YouTube 310 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.799 moderators can become wortho bros. I think some of them are. 311 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:05.000 So I'm not sure what you mean. Dog. You have 312 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.160 to have a membership level for under five dollars to 313 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:11.680 give them. Okay, I'll try to set some tiers down 314 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:14.559 the road. I just felt like, because of inflation, it 315 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.720 was time to up the memberships a little bit. You 316 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.960 know what I mean. I mean I've had five dollars 317 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.400 memberships since twenty fourteen, so Chris since twenty bucks. I 318 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:30.359 like your channel. Thanks, man, It's nice to be back 319 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:35.720 at the stage of having memberships again. But and the ads, 320 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.319 ads are all different. They seem to run different. Now. 321 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.440 We gotta stream labs run in two so let's let 322 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.880 me do the stream laves over here. Icon of the 323 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:47.519 Father thirty five dollars. Hey, I think you blocked me. 324 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.640 Can I get unblocked? It was an accident? Probably YouTube 325 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:56.000 takes thirty percent of superchats. My name on YouTube is Arrow. Okay, 326 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:57.920 I'll look you up, man. I appreciate that. Kind of 327 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.519 the Father sends another three dollars and says here's my channel. 328 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.839 Stormed the cat since ten dollars and says I thought 329 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.920 of a problem with dispensationalism. If dispensationalism is true, then 330 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:09.240 why didn't the apostles New Testament try to build up 331 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:13.480 Israel into a strong country. Why didn't they teach this 332 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:17.240 to the early Church. Yeah, that's an interesting argument. They 333 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.720 would have been teaching the gospel of the Kingdom in 334 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:28.839 the earthly monetary military conquering of the world through a actual, physical, 335 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.839 literal king. It seems like they would do that. Dano 336 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.720 since five dollars, Oh yeah, pay piggies can shine. Oh wait, 337 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:41.079 that's the same one. Ce R Scott since ten bucks. 338 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:44.519 Thank you so much, man, I appreciate that Sidge's mund 339 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:49.160 is a new member. Honey Badger BTC since two dollars 340 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.240 and said Jay's income is about to inflate like the 341 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:55.680 price of bitcoin. Hey, I'm just here to donate to 342 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.319 the IRS, man. That's all I'm doing is when I 343 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:02.920 get the IRS forums to donate ten thousand times more, 344 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:08.200 That's what I'm all about. But a little bit of 345 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:14.960 a rehearsal because I think this topic is worth addressing. 346 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:19.319 We haven't really addressed this in many years because when 347 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.079 I first started doing streams with Tristan back in twenty eighteen, 348 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.400 you know, this came up a few times and we 349 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.839 had to do a few streams on this and just 350 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.680 to kind of rehearse what I was arguing. If you 351 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.960 think about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus, 352 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.960 which is very crucial to Orthodox theology, it's very obviously 353 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.279 the case if you're Orthodox, then all of these things 354 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.319 going on in the Old Testament, like the giving of 355 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.599 the permission to eat meat in Genesis nine, it's not 356 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.599 a punishment, no idea where he gets that. So being 357 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:56.880 able to eat steaks is a punishment. It's not a punishment, 358 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:02.119 it's a gift. Okay. So Genesis nine three to four, 359 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:07.200 it says God blessed Noah and his sons. Now did 360 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:11.079 you hear what he said? That was a punishment? The 361 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.720 text says, God blessed Noah and his sons prosper and reproduce, reproduce, 362 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:19.240 fill the earth. Every living creature will be afraid of you. 363 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.119 Just as I gave the plants to you, now I 364 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.759 give everything else except for me with its lifeblood. So 365 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.559 that means you can't eat. The blood has to be removed, 366 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:36.720 But it's still a blessing to eat the meat. Okay. 367 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:40.640 The peace offering, this is the only offering in the 368 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:45.279 Old Testament where you eat along with the priest and 369 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.200 We read about this in the Book of Leviticus and 370 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:51.519 in the parts of the liturgy where the peace offering 371 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.279 there's a specific psalms on twenty two. It's song during 372 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:57.200 the peace offering. Now remember it's Jesus. It's giving the 373 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:01.759 lytical law, and it's not a pun ofhmid And the 374 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:05.880 peace offering is where you bring the meat to the priest. 375 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:10.799 The priest does the blood draining in concert with what's 376 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:15.559 in Genesis. I'm sick, so excuse my voice. And then 377 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.599 it's cooked, and then you share the meal with the 378 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.359 priest and with God. It's a covenant meal that you're 379 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:25.400 eating with God. And it's a foreshadowing of the Eucharist, 380 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.200 which is the eating of the flesh and blood of Christ. 381 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.839 Now notice that he's a vegetarian, but he doesn't believe 382 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:36.640 in the real presence. Shocker, right, because the purpose of 383 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:41.440 these Old Testaments, sacrifice, sacrificial rituals, and rights is to 384 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:46.519 foreshadow the work of Christ, as the Book of Hebrews explains. Thus, 385 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:53.200 Jesus must be the passover. And so you notice when 386 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.920 I asked him if Jesus gave the law. Even though 387 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.359 Jesus says in John five that he's the one that 388 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.240 was at mounta On giving the law. You notice he 389 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.799 had to pause and think about that for a minute, right, 390 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:10.119 because hmmm, well, it doesn't work to be to say 391 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:20.880 Jesus a vegetarian if he gave people no victuals. If 392 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.119 you look up the Greek word, it's the same word 393 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:28.720 that's used in Paul's discussions of unclean meats. So it's 394 00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:31.920 not talking about and by the way the church fathers 395 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.359 interpret it the way I'm saying. That's why if you 396 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.000 let me read to you again, he said, church fathers, 397 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.480 and he didn't have any except for two heretics. I'll 398 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.039 let me read you. A saint the Orthodox Church, Saint Hipolitis. 399 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:46.000 There are those amongst the Indians, a sect composed of 400 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:51.839 philosophizing amongst the Brahmins. They contend they spend a contented 401 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:57.880