Speaker 1: All right, looks like we are live. Welcome everybody. By
Speaker 1: the way, I forgot to link your channel. I will
Speaker 1: link your channel below. I'm not a douchebag. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna not link your channel. I just didn't get to
Speaker 1: it yet. But your channel is I think Old World Florida.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 2: That's right, Jay, Old World Florida.
Speaker 1: With me today, doctor Narco. And I'm assuming that's not
Speaker 1: your real PhD title, right.
Speaker 3: No, I told you you could call me Connor if
Speaker 3: you wanted. That's my real name, Connor. But that's that's
Speaker 3: just my YouTube kind of pseudonym.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? And can I ask like what it refers to
Speaker 1: or is that some is it inside joke or something.
Speaker 2: It's just the letters of my name rearranged.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay, irish right, Welcome everybody. Is it sound good?
Speaker 1: Can everybody hear what we're discussing? If you can hear me,
Speaker 1: let me know in the chat. Make sure this sounds
Speaker 1: good with him too. And he hit me up today.
Speaker 1: I think he had messaged me a while back, or
Speaker 1: one of your buddy's has I can't remember. But with
Speaker 1: the possibility of discussing our world views and today we
Speaker 1: got into discussion about vegetarianism. So I have an opening
Speaker 1: statement that isn't that long, or you could go first.
Speaker 1: But before we get into the discussion of who Jesus is,
Speaker 1: worldviews all that kind of stuff, do you want to
Speaker 1: tell us about yourself and what kind of stuff you
Speaker 1: cover and then I will later link below so people
Speaker 1: can follow you if they're interested.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, thanks for having me on Jay, I appreciate
Speaker 3: you being polite. I run the Old World Florida YouTube channel,
Speaker 3: and that's pretty much like Florida History, but tending towards
Speaker 3: the esoteric conspiracy theory, you know, hauntings and Atlantis stuff
Speaker 3: like that. So yeah, we talk about Christianity sometimes we
Speaker 3: talk about holistic health and that's pretty much what my
Speaker 3: channel's about.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, now can the chat? Can you guys let me know?
Speaker 1: Are you guys able to hear? There's everything good? This
Speaker 1: is acting weird. I can't tell. I got my monetization back,
Speaker 1: so it's all it's all different now. But all right,
Speaker 1: So today we had a disagreement over the question of vegetarianism,
Speaker 1: and we'll kick that off. I'll go first, if you
Speaker 1: don't mind, and then I'll let you have the floor.
Speaker 1: You can make whatever arguments, say whatever you want. I
Speaker 1: would say that if that, it's not possible that Jesus
Speaker 1: is a vegetarian. And my argument would be that if
Speaker 1: we begin by looking by the book of Genesis. In
Speaker 1: Genesis nine, God says to Noah that he has the
Speaker 1: ability to eat animals. Now after the flood. This was
Speaker 1: not something that was allowed prior to that. But we
Speaker 1: have a specific allowance that's made in Genesis nine when
Speaker 1: the law is given, and the law is not given
Speaker 1: by a different deity unless you want to adopt what's
Speaker 1: called Marcianism, and that would have its own set of problems.
Speaker 1: In Leviticus three, there's the peace offering, and in the
Speaker 1: peace offering, it's considered to be a covenant meal. It's
Speaker 1: a ritual celebration where the person brings a sacrifice, which
Speaker 1: is an animal, and that animal is sacrificed cook and
Speaker 1: it's shared by the priest and the communicant or the
Speaker 1: ritual worshiper. Likewise, in Exodus, when we come to Exodus
Speaker 1: twelve with the passover, we read about the lamb that's slaughtered.
Speaker 1: That's a symbolic sacrifice representing the offering again like in
Speaker 1: Leviticus three, the peace offering, but at this time it's
Speaker 1: offering where it's an innocent victim that's sacrificed in Eton
Speaker 1: that is shared by all of the Jews. And then
Speaker 1: as we move up into the New Testament, when Christ
Speaker 1: the Messiah comes, he fulfills all of these ritual symbols
Speaker 1: and actions. And in one way. One way that he
Speaker 1: does that is that he keeps the law of the
Speaker 1: Old Covenant, because we would say, and I can argue
Speaker 1: this textually, that he's the one that gave the law
Speaker 1: in the Old Testament. So in other words, Jesus is
Speaker 1: the one that gave the laws in Leviticus and Exodus
Speaker 1: about what ritual sacrifices and meals were to be had.
Speaker 1: And so when Christ gives him lists himself as the Passover,
Speaker 1: that's another affirmation that he was the one that was
Speaker 1: intended by the meal, the sacrifice all along. Thus, it
Speaker 1: could not be possible for Christ to be the Pasca,
Speaker 1: as we call him in the Orthodox Church, which is
Speaker 1: the Greek term for passover. He couldn't be the Pasca's
Speaker 1: meal if he isn't the fulfillment of the actual eating
Speaker 1: of the animal in Exodus twelve. Likewise, in the New
Speaker 1: Testament we have Jesus after the Resurrection eating fish with
Speaker 1: his apostles, which shows us that he does not, even
Speaker 1: after the resurrection, reject the possibility of eating flesh or
Speaker 1: eating meat. The Church also had to deal with this
Speaker 1: early on in the days of Paul. Paul wrote to
Speaker 1: Timothy and pointed out in the first I think it's
Speaker 1: let me see it's first, Timothy four. First, simply four,
Speaker 1: Paul says that people will forbid marriage and the eating
Speaker 1: of meat, which is a doctrine of devils ultimately. And
Speaker 1: then in the early days of the Church we have
Speaker 1: this statement from Saint Hippolotis of Rome that there's also
Speaker 1: with us Indians, the sect of those who are called Brahmins,
Speaker 1: and they abstain from living creatures and all cooked food.
Speaker 1: This is his second describing the heresies that the early
Speaker 1: Church rejects up into the seventh century. When reread about
Speaker 1: what Saint John Damascus wrote, you know on the heresies,
Speaker 1: he lists a bunch of early Church heretics, such as
Speaker 1: the Incretites, who forbade the eating of meat, and for
Speaker 1: that reason alone that was enough to castigate them. Underneath
Speaker 1: Paul's rejection of a Gnostic group. Likewise, in Luke five,
Speaker 1: we read about Jesus telling the Apostles to cast their
Speaker 1: net on the other side and they catch a large
Speaker 1: load of fishes, which wouldn't happen if Jesus was a
Speaker 1: vegetarian or vegan or whatever. And then we have Peter's vision,
Speaker 1: which we believe comes from Christ, where symbolically the animals
Speaker 1: come down, Peter is told to kill and eat. Now
Speaker 1: there's many more examples, but these are just kind of
Speaker 1: like the brief summary examples of how Christ is the
Speaker 1: one who gave the commands both in the Old and
Speaker 1: the New Testament, that it's okay to eat me. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I'm a little sick. So if my voice and if
Speaker 1: I cough the lids because I've got a cold, feel
Speaker 1: free to go ahead.
Speaker 2: Carnivore diet got you down?
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I don't think I have it.
Speaker 2: I don't have a cold because of a carnival Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, you bring up some good points, and I'd just
Speaker 3: like to say that from the beginning, from the beginning,
Speaker 3: a man was created, vegetarian, Jesus came back, came to
Speaker 3: redeem us and set us back to the Genesis standard.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's christian like of you to use
Speaker 3: Exodus or Leviticus to justify a diet when in fact,
Speaker 3: you look at Jesus's own teachings, he would not do
Speaker 3: the same. He would take it back to Genesis and say,
Speaker 3: from the beginning it was not so. I think you'll
Speaker 3: agree with that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Jesus from the beginning is all about setting us back
Speaker 3: to the Genesis standard, which is Genesis one twenty nine.
Speaker 3: Fruit in or a bearing seed kills nothing. It's the
Speaker 3: optimal human diet. It is the original human factory settings.
Speaker 3: But just to state my position up front, is Jesus
Speaker 3: was a vegetarian at worst or best in your case,
Speaker 3: he may have been a light pescatarian. He may have
Speaker 3: had a comfort with fish. But I think we're going
Speaker 3: to show that his place of birth, the community he
Speaker 3: was a part of, his family members all point to
Speaker 3: a vegetarian diet. Not only that you belong to the
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church puts a heavy emphasis on
Speaker 3: a vegetarian diet. And I would we can we can
Speaker 3: get to all these points you know later on. But
Speaker 3: you bring up Timothy four Timothy four has to do
Speaker 3: with meat. He does not say flesh or corpse. Timothy
Speaker 3: four says, uh, you know they will eat herbs, right,
Speaker 3: It's down to herbs.
Speaker 2: Is that true? I think we're on a time lag here.
Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, it says abstaining for meats.
Speaker 1: I can look up the Greek word if you want.
Speaker 3: Right, so, meats does not mean all flesh. Going back
Speaker 3: to the Genesis definition, meat means fruit and herb bearing seed.
Speaker 3: It's not until Noah gets off the arc. And by
Speaker 3: the way, you bring up Noah, well, hold on.
Speaker 1: Where do you Where do you get that meats is
Speaker 1: herbs and.
Speaker 3: Seeds Genesis one?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't we look at wouldn't we look up the Greek
Speaker 1: word for meats? Why would we go to Genesis about seed?
Speaker 3: From the beginning we were created fruit and herb bearing seed.
Speaker 3: That's what meat means.
Speaker 1: Where do you get that? Where do you get that?
Speaker 2: Gis no?
Speaker 1: Where do you get that the word meets his seeds?
Speaker 3: That is the broad Christian interpretations?
Speaker 1: Where is that? Says who? I mean? I can look
Speaker 1: at the Greek right now, the burden of proof is
Speaker 1: on you. I guess the burn of proof is not
Speaker 1: on me, because it's a ridiculous, outlandish claim.
Speaker 3: Neat means food, does not mean flesh. That's the biglical
Speaker 3: definition of meat.
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at it right now. The Greek. The
Speaker 1: Greek word is broma, which means actual victuals or meat.
Speaker 1: According to the Blue Letter Bible, the Greek term broma.
Speaker 3: King James version, You've got meat meaning food every English
Speaker 3: version of the Bible except for Americanized carnivore.
Speaker 1: This is there's Greek lexicon. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Meat means fruit in her bearing seeds.
Speaker 1: The Greek word it's used in the New Testament in
Speaker 1: that texts.
Speaker 3: Your position on the definition of Greek definition of meat?
Speaker 1: And wouldn't we look to the Greek definition in First
Speaker 1: tiventy four? The well, hold on what now you're going
Speaker 1: to wa some of the Hebrew interpretation? Why would why
Speaker 1: would I need the Hebrew interpretation of Paul.
Speaker 3: I've got a on myself where it sounds like I'm
Speaker 3: arguing with Ned.
Speaker 1: Why would I look to the Hebrew interpretation of Genesis
Speaker 1: when I'm going to what Paul talks about in First
Speaker 1: seventy four when he wrote in Greek the early Christians
Speaker 1: who what early Christians? Give an example of this site?
Speaker 1: One give I saw? I cited you the early Christians
Speaker 1: like hippologists of Rome. Who says that it is about
Speaker 1: actual flesh that's forbidden. Now, what did I say that
Speaker 1: about origin? Is a heretic? Origin is a heretic. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what origin is a heritic?
Speaker 2: Me and Eve were creative, vegetarian. You're not going to rest,
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 1: You've not made an argument yet in response to anything
Speaker 1: a flesh?
Speaker 2: What was the original diet?
Speaker 1: Did you not hear my opening statement? I said that
Speaker 1: Noah stopped interrupting me. In the opening statement, I said,
Speaker 1: Noah was given permission to eat meat.
Speaker 3: Now that's actually a punishment because God caught him sacrificing animals.
Speaker 1: No, that's your made up interpretation. It's not a punishment. Uh,
Speaker 1: you understand this would lead to Marcianism? Right? So did
Speaker 1: Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend Passover? No?
Speaker 1: They don't. You're making this up. You can't cite. I
Speaker 1: just gave you Hippolotis. I just gave you Hippolytis who
Speaker 1: says that you're wrong? You can't name one that's not true.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm citing you. I'm citing you right now.
Speaker 1: Origin is a heretic in so Stratona. So you cited
Speaker 1: two heretics. No, they're not accepted by the church, either
Speaker 1: Catholic or the Catholic and Orthodox churches reject those two
Speaker 1: people as heretics. There might be a monastic people who've
Speaker 1: taken a vow to eat that kind of a diet,
Speaker 1: but that's not the same thing as whether or not
Speaker 1: God permitted it or the weather. Jesus was a vegetarian.
Speaker 1: Did Jesus Did Jesus attend Passover?
Speaker 2: He did not eat lamb?
Speaker 1: Is is he the passover? Lamb? Okay? Who gave the
Speaker 1: law and Exod? Who gave the law? Who gave the
Speaker 1: don't tell me you're out here, We're done, Tell me
Speaker 1: to be quiet on my Who gave the law? Who
Speaker 1: gave the law in Exodus? So you're not going to answer.
Speaker 1: You're not going to answer who gave the law on Exodus?
Speaker 1: Did Jesus give the law?
Speaker 2: God gave the law?
Speaker 1: Is Jesus God.
Speaker 3: Not one?
Speaker 2: And the same?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But get he was the one In John five
Speaker 1: he says he was the one at mount SINAI giving
Speaker 1: the law. Yeah, so you're an idiot, all right, I
Speaker 1: think I'm back now, as I was about to say,
Speaker 1: Jesus in Luke twenty two seven to fifteen attends the
Speaker 1: Passover with his disciples. Jesus is the one that gave
Speaker 1: the passover. I mean, it's literally utter nonsense to think
Speaker 1: that there was some other God. That's why I said
Speaker 1: he would have to be some form of Marcian I
Speaker 1: if he wants to defend this position. And the Greek word,
Speaker 1: if you want to look it up, it's broma in
Speaker 1: Strong's one zero three three, and it is a reference
Speaker 1: to victuals. And for example, in Luke nine it's used
Speaker 1: for in the context of the fishes to go and
Speaker 1: buy quote meat. I'm looking at the references. Paul uses
Speaker 1: the same term about meat, and it has to be
Speaker 1: specifically flesh in fir Corinthians eight and First Corinthians ten,
Speaker 1: and so meats and diverse meats is clearly talking about
Speaker 1: unclean foods, and meats unclean in the Jewish context would
Speaker 1: have to be flesh meets or else. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: So this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: The only two people he cites are Origin and uh Tertullian,
Speaker 1: who are both heretics, which is ridiculous. And you're not
Speaker 1: gonna come on my channel and tell me to be quiet.
Speaker 1: This was a complete waste. I knew, I knew it
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Speaker 1: of a problem with dispensationalism. If dispensationalism is true, then
Speaker 1: why didn't the apostles New Testament try to build up
Speaker 1: Israel into a strong country. Why didn't they teach this
Speaker 1: to the early Church. Yeah, that's an interesting argument. They
Speaker 1: would have been teaching the gospel of the Kingdom in
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm all about. But a little bit of
Speaker 1: a rehearsal because I think this topic is worth addressing.
Speaker 1: We haven't really addressed this in many years because when
Speaker 1: I first started doing streams with Tristan back in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: you know, this came up a few times and we
Speaker 1: had to do a few streams on this and just
Speaker 1: to kind of rehearse what I was arguing. If you
Speaker 1: think about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus,
Speaker 1: which is very crucial to Orthodox theology, it's very obviously
Speaker 1: the case if you're Orthodox, then all of these things
Speaker 1: going on in the Old Testament, like the giving of
Speaker 1: the permission to eat meat in Genesis nine, it's not
Speaker 1: a punishment, no idea where he gets that. So being
Speaker 1: able to eat steaks is a punishment. It's not a punishment,
Speaker 1: it's a gift. Okay. So Genesis nine three to four,
Speaker 1: it says God blessed Noah and his sons. Now did
Speaker 1: you hear what he said? That was a punishment? The
Speaker 1: text says, God blessed Noah and his sons prosper and reproduce, reproduce,
Speaker 1: fill the earth. Every living creature will be afraid of you.
Speaker 1: Just as I gave the plants to you, now I
Speaker 1: give everything else except for me with its lifeblood. So
Speaker 1: that means you can't eat. The blood has to be removed,
Speaker 1: But it's still a blessing to eat the meat. Okay.
Speaker 1: The peace offering, this is the only offering in the
Speaker 1: Old Testament where you eat along with the priest and
Speaker 1: We read about this in the Book of Leviticus and
Speaker 1: in the parts of the liturgy where the peace offering
Speaker 1: there's a specific psalms on twenty two. It's song during
Speaker 1: the peace offering. Now remember it's Jesus. It's giving the
Speaker 1: lytical law, and it's not a pun ofhmid And the
Speaker 1: peace offering is where you bring the meat to the priest.
Speaker 1: The priest does the blood draining in concert with what's
Speaker 1: in Genesis. I'm sick, so excuse my voice. And then
Speaker 1: it's cooked, and then you share the meal with the
Speaker 1: priest and with God. It's a covenant meal that you're
Speaker 1: eating with God. And it's a foreshadowing of the Eucharist,
Speaker 1: which is the eating of the flesh and blood of Christ.
Speaker 1: Now notice that he's a vegetarian, but he doesn't believe
Speaker 1: in the real presence. Shocker, right, because the purpose of
Speaker 1: these Old Testaments, sacrifice, sacrificial rituals, and rights is to
Speaker 1: foreshadow the work of Christ, as the Book of Hebrews explains. Thus,
Speaker 1: Jesus must be the passover. And so you notice when
Speaker 1: I asked him if Jesus gave the law. Even though
Speaker 1: Jesus says in John five that he's the one that
Speaker 1: was at mounta On giving the law. You notice he
Speaker 1: had to pause and think about that for a minute, right,
Speaker 1: because hmmm, well, it doesn't work to be to say
Speaker 1: Jesus a vegetarian if he gave people no victuals. If
Speaker 1: you look up the Greek word, it's the same word
Speaker 1: that's used in Paul's discussions of unclean meats. So it's
Speaker 1: not talking about and by the way the church fathers
Speaker 1: interpret it the way I'm saying. That's why if you
Speaker 1: let me read to you again, he said, church fathers,
Speaker 1: and he didn't have any except for two heretics. I'll
Speaker 1: let me read you. A saint the Orthodox Church, Saint Hipolitis.
Speaker 1: There are those amongst the Indians, a sect composed of
Speaker 1: philosophizing amongst the Brahmins. They contend they spend a contented
Speaker 1: existence and abstain from living creatures and cooked food. They
Speaker 1: are satisfied with fruits in the trees, but carry off
Speaker 1: those that have fallen to the earth. They subsist upon those,
Speaker 1: but they pass their life naked, affirming that the body
Speaker 1: is constituted as a covering to the soul by the deity.
Speaker 1: Saint Hipologists of Rome reputation of all heresies in the
Speaker 1: second century. Yeah, so what so there's unclean seeds According
Speaker 1: to Paul and First Corinthians nineinten how stupid that is.
Speaker 1: Adam was a you could say, vegetarian, because no one
Speaker 1: ate meat until Genesis nine. That's when God gets permission
Speaker 1: to eat meat. John Damascus in the seventh century, summarizing
Speaker 1: all the heretics before him in the Heresiology Book, describes
Speaker 1: the Acretites, who got their theology from the Marcianites, as
Speaker 1: condemned because they forbid the eating of animal flesh against heresies.
Speaker 1: Let me catch up on super sheets. Do you think
Speaker 1: that you have traditional news five dollars? Do you think
Speaker 1: a traditional way? Do you think a transcendent argument exists
Speaker 1: for esthetics and architecture the way that you deny objective beauty,
Speaker 1: then you get brutalism. Yeah, I think you could probably
Speaker 1: make an argument that there has to be an objective
Speaker 1: good and an objective beauty. Yes, I think the two
Speaker 1: would go together, and that would apply by extension to
Speaker 1: things like art in general and architecture. Yes. Again, the
Speaker 1: word broma is what's used in one Timothy four, and
Speaker 1: it's the exact same argument that Paul makes in one
Speaker 1: Corinthians eight and one Corinthians ten about unclean meats. There's
Speaker 1: no such thing as uncleaned food, idiots. I mean, see,
Speaker 1: there's no unclean seeds. This is just silly. Peach two dollars. Yes,
Speaker 1: Adam was a vegetarian, but I mean he didn't eat
Speaker 1: fish either, so he ate greens, presumably until until Noah
Speaker 1: is given permission to eat meat. In Genesis nine Logical Podcast,
Speaker 1: since ten dollars shout out to him, what's up, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: he says sorry, No need to say sorry. Will you
Speaker 1: never have to apologize to me? Jonathan? Never? Jade, I
Speaker 1: are three dollars. I read the fraud or six one
Speaker 1: six essay. I was blown away. Do you mind covering
Speaker 1: it again? I mean I did a whole two hour
Speaker 1: talk on it, so I would just say go back
Speaker 1: and watch that. I don't really I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want to cover it all again. Do we need
Speaker 1: do we need to be skeptical of its veracity? Still?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need to be. I just
Speaker 1: can't prove it, so I don't know. I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems to line up with a lot of issues that
Speaker 1: have come up. And by the way, even if even
Speaker 1: if you did prove number one, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: No heretics going to forbid you to eat seeds. Let's
Speaker 1: think how stupid this is. So in first tim of
Speaker 1: the Four Paul is saying that there are heretics who
Speaker 1: teach to abstain from seeds. There's no heretics in groups
Speaker 1: that say to abstain from seeds, but there are plenty
Speaker 1: of Jews that said and heretics that said don't eat
Speaker 1: meat and abstain from unclean meats. So yeah, we knew
Speaker 1: this was not gonna last very long. And I would
Speaker 1: have kept going if he hadn't tell me to shut
Speaker 1: up on my channel, Derek ten dollars. Any book or
Speaker 1: video recommended about Orthodox and government, Yvonne Illien's book and
Speaker 1: pab Natziev's Reflections of a Russian Statesman. I want to
Speaker 1: get an idea what it was like to be ruled
Speaker 1: by an Orthodox government Byzanteum or Russian. Well, you could
Speaker 1: read John Julius Norwich's book on the history of Byzantheum.
Speaker 1: There was an abridged version Stephen Runsman as a history
Speaker 1: of Byzantheum. Why do you think Quilly did not understand
Speaker 1: Russian history? Well, I mean he just sees it from
Speaker 1: a Western paradigm, and see it doesn't believe Orthodox Christianity.
Speaker 1: So I'm still trying to navigate getting used to what
Speaker 1: it's like to have super chats on YouTube again. But
Speaker 1: I'll put in the chat for you right here. Here
Speaker 1: you can see Thayer's lexicon, which is the most well
Speaker 1: known Greek lexicon for the New Testaments. Shouldn't even it's
Speaker 1: not even, it's not even questionable. Here is a link
Speaker 1: to Sayer's lexicon. Yeah, this would this guy's argument would
Speaker 1: mean that there's unclean seeds. It's just completely stupid. I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a formally prospective convert to Judaism. I still
Speaker 1: eat kosher. Do I need to give that up?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Probably? I mean it's there's no reason that you're you're
Speaker 1: missing the point of the walls. So, I mean, Paul's
Speaker 1: very clear that it doesn't matter what you eat because
Speaker 1: anything that we eat is wade since nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: says I'm too dumb to contemplate comparing a lot of
Speaker 1: these arguments, but even inspire me and learned, well, these
Speaker 1: are pretty simple arguments tonight. So Paul says that anything
Speaker 1: that we eat is sanctified by the Word of God
Speaker 1: through prayer, and so foods don't commend us to God.
Speaker 1: Paul says, you're not getting righteous with God. God is
Speaker 1: not pleased by you avoiding the shrimp and eating you
Speaker 1: know whatever, it's not. He's still in the chat. All right,
Speaker 1: we're moving on. Where's he at? Just boot the sky? Please?
Speaker 1: This guy's an idiot. Does anybody else have any questions
Speaker 1: while we're here? I don't know why the internet's so
Speaker 1: slow to night. I don't care whether you said shut
Speaker 1: up or be quiet. It's the same difference wasting everybody's
Speaker 1: time with your third grade arguments. And by the way,
Speaker 1: when I ask you questions in aer debate and you
Speaker 1: don't answer them, and you blow past and you just
Speaker 1: keep repeating your position, No, that's not gonna happen. What
Speaker 1: do I attend Antiochian Osia, Greek, Russian? I mean I
Speaker 1: would recommend a Russian or our church out of those,
Speaker 1: Rachel Wilson, since twenty dollars remonetize, let's go, thank you, Rachel,
Speaker 1: appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: Viewer activity? What is it that tells me? Okay, so
Speaker 1: do we all see that what he's talking about with
Speaker 1: the word is just nonsense? He has no idea what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. Here's the Slayer's lexicon or there. Paul
Speaker 1: is not Jesus. Did you not hear all the arguments
Speaker 1: that I gave about Jesus? I mean, what, like, what
Speaker 1: is wrong with you people? I don't understand, like the
Speaker 1: disconnect here? And why is the internet so slow? Jesus
Speaker 1: is who commissioned Paul. Paul is teaching with the authority
Speaker 1: of Christ, and I gave you multiple arguments from Christ.
Speaker 1: I don't can you can some of you people not
Speaker 1: follow more than one argument at once? I mean, is
Speaker 1: that the problem?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Like, what great are you in eb twenty dollars? JA,
Speaker 1: I'm not as smart as you to tackle Protestant points
Speaker 1: on my own, specifically once saved always say I'm convinced
Speaker 1: towards this heresy. I mean, have you read Hebrew six?
Speaker 1: Hebrew six says that you can taste of the gift
Speaker 1: and be washed and fall away. J. I'm sorry you're
Speaker 1: sick ten dollars just a cold man, but thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Jonathan, you don't have to give me these
Speaker 1: ten dollars. I appreciate that. Cards YT two dollars, Jay
Speaker 1: be Vegan and eat the bug. I know these people
Speaker 1: are actually pushing the agenda. Alula five dollars. Congratulations on
Speaker 1: being let back into the club. Also, I realize the
Speaker 1: other day you look like Arthur Morgan from Red Dead
Speaker 1: Redemption two. I'm not sure who that is, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a dig or a compliment, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that Arthur Morgan is an e
Speaker 1: Diva in the wild West, because I know that's a
Speaker 1: Wild West game. So I want to remind you guys
Speaker 1: too that the webs that I have a members talk
Speaker 1: already up today. So I went ahead and did the
Speaker 1: part two of the history of British espionage during World
Speaker 1: War One world War Two. That talk is it's not
Speaker 1: just British, it's also Napoleonic, German and French espionage. That
Speaker 1: talk isn't for members and so if you join, you
Speaker 1: get access to the membership tab and you also get
Speaker 1: access to all the back catalog of stuff. Up until
Speaker 1: I was demonetized in twenty twenty, I thought it was
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, but was actually twenty twenty. It was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: The website was deleted. Twenty twenty was demonetization. So I
Speaker 1: don't know why we have such a terrible connection tonight,
Speaker 1: Jethrow since five dollars monetized and membership says twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: all over again, exactly, That's what I'm talking about. I
Speaker 1: should have opened it up to have some kind of
Speaker 1: like a call in or like a I should have
Speaker 1: had like a an ex a Twitter space. What's for
Speaker 1: it mean? Truly for sake this? What does it mean
Speaker 1: to truly forsake the assembly? It means to give up
Speaker 1: on attending the public liturgy? David M. Five dollars. I'm
Speaker 1: an inquire and soon to be a catechuman. I've yet
Speaker 1: to ask my teacher. Yeah, that's what it means. By
Speaker 1: the way, we got up to about twelve hundred tonight.
Speaker 1: If you guys would hit like because we only got
Speaker 1: four hundred likes, we had twelve hundred people. What's up? What?
Speaker 1: What's up with that? What's up with that? And a
Speaker 1: little bit of a reminder that I will be live
Speaker 1: this weekend at Tampa if you want to come see
Speaker 1: the lecture I'm giving at the Tampa Bay Screams Horror Convention.
Speaker 1: We get a good crowd there. My event is separate
Speaker 1: from that event. It's going to be at night January nineteenth,
Speaker 1: so three days from now, and there's tickets to that
Speaker 1: right there. I'll be giving a lecture on the dark
Speaker 1: Secrets of horror film, so we'd be getting into esoteric Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I will be at the convention all day with at
Speaker 1: a booth you can come get your books signed by books,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Jim Crow, Nimrods, Samaranas, temas aka Jesus. I
Speaker 1: hope that you're joking, because that is literally, like probably
Speaker 1: the dumbest super chat I've ever had on this channel.
Speaker 1: Like literally it's so dumb I almost probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: read it. Wow. I mean, but I guess this is
Speaker 1: the crowd that we get with this sort of New
Speaker 1: Age vegetarian nonsense. I mean, Jesus attended Passover but he
Speaker 1: didn't eat anythink else stupid. That is like you can't
Speaker 1: participate in the ritual if you don't eat. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is like completely stupid. It's chr O, not Crow,
Speaker 1: polskat truck are ten dollars. I'm just stopping about to
Speaker 1: give you support. I was convinced of Orthodoxy. When you
Speaker 1: debate a pastor P. I've been attending a Serbian Orthodox church.
Speaker 1: Word up, that's good to hear man. Appreciate that you
Speaker 1: shout out to Pastor P for losing that debate. Everybody says,
Speaker 1: I'm mean, hey, look, I think I was pretty nice
Speaker 1: to Pastor P. JB. Peltier for ten dollars. I heard
Speaker 1: an interesting quip about Zar Peter the I forcing a
Speaker 1: beard taxt tax to make the country more European. Is
Speaker 1: this demonic antagonism towards the clergy or not. My guess
Speaker 1: would be maybe I've just never heard that, but it
Speaker 1: sounds pretty crazy. Shout out to Jake Rattlesnake. Props to
Speaker 1: you dog for having me on great channel, A good
Speaker 1: buddy of ours, and thank you for the shout out
Speaker 1: there about getting remonetized. Appreciate that. Sorry, I'm so sick,
Speaker 1: but I think, I mean, I think this was like
Speaker 1: a knockdown case. I mean, the point about the seeds
Speaker 1: was really silly, as if there's unclean seeds, that's what
Speaker 1: his argument would lead to. But I think all the
Speaker 1: other arguments are like pretty like straight up, so I
Speaker 1: can't even see that there was even a one good
Speaker 1: argument given. I mean it's like Jesus takes us back
Speaker 1: to Genesis. Yeah, but that's in the Esketon. That's not
Speaker 1: right now. So I mean people in the in Genesis
Speaker 1: were nude? Are we supposed to be nude? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the this is the logic of nudists. Literally,
Speaker 1: it's like that's stupid. So and you know, it's another
Speaker 1: thing with pet heresies is that it's always like they
Speaker 1: find one verse right, and it's like, oh, every verse
Speaker 1: is that has to fit into that. And the funny
Speaker 1: thing about that, like nobody interprets any text this way.
Speaker 1: Like you don't go read Plato and pick one line
Speaker 1: from Plato and squeeze everything into one line. You don't
Speaker 1: read Lord of the Rings and make all the rest
Speaker 1: of the narrative fit into one line. It's just obviously
Speaker 1: intuitively false and stupid. But every goofball heterodox person picks
Speaker 1: out one verse that they think is like some master key,
Speaker 1: and then every other verse has to squeeze into that verse, right,
Speaker 1: Like Muslims in John seventeen three. I've already, we already
Speaker 1: went through the ancient heretics that believe this. I already
Speaker 1: cited the sources as to wear, which was funny because
Speaker 1: I picked somebody from I think, isn't Hypolotis of Rome,
Speaker 1: like one p. Fifty eight? Right, So Saint Hipolotis condemns
Speaker 1: the Brahmins for their abstaining from meat. And then if
Speaker 1: you fast forward to the seventh century, John Damascus summarizes
Speaker 1: all the heresies prior to him, and he lists the
Speaker 1: Inqretites as rejecting animal foods, and so those are heresies.
Speaker 1: Now that's different than when people choose to live in
Speaker 1: a setic life and they decide. But that's the very
Speaker 1: thing that Paul's talking about. Is mandated forbidding of marriage,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what Gnostics did. It's exactly what the
Speaker 1: cathari did in the Middle Ages. Peach two dollars. Are
Speaker 1: you a young earther?
Speaker 4: Yes, uh, we've been.
Speaker 1: It was only forty five minutes. But that's okay anybody.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. It's like the Bible has the word alien
Speaker 1: in it, so therefore aliens exist. Like we're at that level.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're dealing with like the inability to do
Speaker 1: like word concept foul. Like somebody said today that was
Speaker 1: a great comment. They said, word concept fallacy is a
Speaker 1: great IQ test, like a filter for you know, like
Speaker 1: filtering out people that you don't want to deal with.
Speaker 1: So it may be easier to send a super chat
Speaker 1: with you know, the native code or whatever. But if
Speaker 1: you do want to use stream lives, you guys can
Speaker 1: all still use dream modes. No, I'm not a flat earther,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Is there a bunch of new
Speaker 1: people to the channel on others? Like, is this all
Speaker 1: an audience of people that have never been over here before?
Speaker 1: Which is fine, welcome everybody who's new. But I assumed
Speaker 1: his followers, if they were over here, that they already left.
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Speaker 1: Eric says, for five dollars, I used to be a
Speaker 1: black Huber Israelite, but in your breakdowns of the Bible,
Speaker 1: I realize Orthodoxy is true. Hey, that's great. I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't think. I didn't hold out a lot of hope.
Speaker 1: And God's grace can reach anybody, but I didn't hold
Speaker 1: out a lot of hope for anybody in those groups
Speaker 1: because it was it's just such a really out there cult.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I mean, it literally literally relies
Speaker 1: on like super low tier grammar mistakes that Jewish means
Speaker 1: kind of Jewish. So all right, thank you guys. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. I guess uh. It went
Speaker 1: about as expected. We could have gone on for longer.
Speaker 1: If he didn't tell me to hush or whatever he
Speaker 1: said be quiet, you'll tell me be quiet on my channel.
Speaker 1: And by the way, when I when you don't answer
Speaker 1: the question that I asked, that's when I bring it
Speaker 1: back and repeat. And if you keep not answering, that's it.
Speaker 1: So