1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: All right, looks like we are live. Welcome everybody. By 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,080 the way, I forgot to link your channel. I will 3 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:12,119 link your channel below. I'm not a douchebag. I'm not 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,839 gonna not link your channel. I just didn't get to 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,079 it yet. But your channel is I think Old World Florida. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:18,760 Is that correct? 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,719 Speaker 2: That's right, Jay, Old World Florida. 8 00:00:24,559 --> 00:00:28,079 Speaker 1: With me today, doctor Narco. And I'm assuming that's not 9 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:30,519 your real PhD title, right. 10 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:34,119 Speaker 3: No, I told you you could call me Connor if 11 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:37,759 you wanted. That's my real name, Connor. But that's that's 12 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,880 just my YouTube kind of pseudonym. 13 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: Gotcha? And can I ask like what it refers to 14 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:46,159 or is that some is it inside joke or something. 15 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:50,039 Speaker 2: It's just the letters of my name rearranged. 16 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay, irish right, Welcome everybody. Is it sound good? 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,040 Can everybody hear what we're discussing? If you can hear me, 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,959 let me know in the chat. Make sure this sounds 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,280 good with him too. And he hit me up today. 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,480 I think he had messaged me a while back, or 21 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,400 one of your buddy's has I can't remember. But with 22 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:18,920 the possibility of discussing our world views and today we 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,840 got into discussion about vegetarianism. So I have an opening 24 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:27,079 statement that isn't that long, or you could go first. 25 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:30,480 But before we get into the discussion of who Jesus is, 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,719 worldviews all that kind of stuff, do you want to 27 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:34,680 tell us about yourself and what kind of stuff you 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,239 cover and then I will later link below so people 29 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:39,480 can follow you if they're interested. 30 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: Sure, well, thanks for having me on Jay, I appreciate 31 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:51,079 you being polite. I run the Old World Florida YouTube channel, 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,439 and that's pretty much like Florida History, but tending towards 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:05,439 the esoteric conspiracy theory, you know, hauntings and Atlantis stuff 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,840 like that. So yeah, we talk about Christianity sometimes we 35 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:15,840 talk about holistic health and that's pretty much what my 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,080 channel's about. 37 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,599 Speaker 1: Gotcha, now can the chat? Can you guys let me know? 38 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:28,599 Are you guys able to hear? There's everything good? This 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,599 is acting weird. I can't tell. I got my monetization back, 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,599 so it's all it's all different now. But all right, 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,199 So today we had a disagreement over the question of vegetarianism, 42 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,159 and we'll kick that off. I'll go first, if you 43 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:46,599 don't mind, and then I'll let you have the floor. 44 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,360 You can make whatever arguments, say whatever you want. I 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,680 would say that if that, it's not possible that Jesus 46 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,680 is a vegetarian. And my argument would be that if 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,240 we begin by looking by the book of Genesis. In 48 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,360 Genesis nine, God says to Noah that he has the 49 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,439 ability to eat animals. Now after the flood. This was 50 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:12,919 not something that was allowed prior to that. But we 51 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,400 have a specific allowance that's made in Genesis nine when 52 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,080 the law is given, and the law is not given 53 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,439 by a different deity unless you want to adopt what's 54 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:25,240 called Marcianism, and that would have its own set of problems. 55 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:29,000 In Leviticus three, there's the peace offering, and in the 56 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,599 peace offering, it's considered to be a covenant meal. It's 57 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,039 a ritual celebration where the person brings a sacrifice, which 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,759 is an animal, and that animal is sacrificed cook and 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,719 it's shared by the priest and the communicant or the 60 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,960 ritual worshiper. Likewise, in Exodus, when we come to Exodus 61 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,159 twelve with the passover, we read about the lamb that's slaughtered. 62 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:57,039 That's a symbolic sacrifice representing the offering again like in 63 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,919 Leviticus three, the peace offering, but at this time it's 64 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:04,000 offering where it's an innocent victim that's sacrificed in Eton 65 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,280 that is shared by all of the Jews. And then 66 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:09,560 as we move up into the New Testament, when Christ 67 00:04:09,759 --> 00:04:13,400 the Messiah comes, he fulfills all of these ritual symbols 68 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,160 and actions. And in one way. One way that he 69 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:20,560 does that is that he keeps the law of the 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,920 Old Covenant, because we would say, and I can argue 71 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,519 this textually, that he's the one that gave the law 72 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:28,240 in the Old Testament. So in other words, Jesus is 73 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,759 the one that gave the laws in Leviticus and Exodus 74 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,759 about what ritual sacrifices and meals were to be had. 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,800 And so when Christ gives him lists himself as the Passover, 76 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,560 that's another affirmation that he was the one that was 77 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,720 intended by the meal, the sacrifice all along. Thus, it 78 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:52,120 could not be possible for Christ to be the Pasca, 79 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:55,360 as we call him in the Orthodox Church, which is 80 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,920 the Greek term for passover. He couldn't be the Pasca's 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,079 meal if he isn't the fulfillment of the actual eating 82 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,079 of the animal in Exodus twelve. Likewise, in the New 83 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,680 Testament we have Jesus after the Resurrection eating fish with 84 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,519 his apostles, which shows us that he does not, even 85 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,800 after the resurrection, reject the possibility of eating flesh or 86 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,160 eating meat. The Church also had to deal with this 87 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:24,720 early on in the days of Paul. Paul wrote to 88 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,680 Timothy and pointed out in the first I think it's 89 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:37,959 let me see it's first, Timothy four. First, simply four, 90 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,040 Paul says that people will forbid marriage and the eating 91 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:46,040 of meat, which is a doctrine of devils ultimately. And 92 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:48,120 then in the early days of the Church we have 93 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,720 this statement from Saint Hippolotis of Rome that there's also 94 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:55,040 with us Indians, the sect of those who are called Brahmins, 95 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:58,279 and they abstain from living creatures and all cooked food. 96 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,399 This is his second describing the heresies that the early 97 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,920 Church rejects up into the seventh century. When reread about 98 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:09,560 what Saint John Damascus wrote, you know on the heresies, 99 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,920 he lists a bunch of early Church heretics, such as 100 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,079 the Incretites, who forbade the eating of meat, and for 101 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,040 that reason alone that was enough to castigate them. Underneath 102 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,879 Paul's rejection of a Gnostic group. Likewise, in Luke five, 103 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,839 we read about Jesus telling the Apostles to cast their 104 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:34,199 net on the other side and they catch a large 105 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:37,439 load of fishes, which wouldn't happen if Jesus was a 106 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:41,399 vegetarian or vegan or whatever. And then we have Peter's vision, 107 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,040 which we believe comes from Christ, where symbolically the animals 108 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,680 come down, Peter is told to kill and eat. Now 109 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,000 there's many more examples, but these are just kind of 110 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,800 like the brief summary examples of how Christ is the 111 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,399 one who gave the commands both in the Old and 112 00:06:58,439 --> 00:07:03,600 the New Testament, that it's okay to eat me. I apologize. 113 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:06,639 I'm a little sick. So if my voice and if 114 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,360 I cough the lids because I've got a cold, feel 115 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,360 free to go ahead. 116 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: Carnivore diet got you down? 117 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:20,959 Speaker 1: Okay, No, I don't think I have it. 118 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,959 Speaker 2: I don't have a cold because of a carnival Okay. 119 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,319 Speaker 3: Well, you bring up some good points, and I'd just 120 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:32,680 like to say that from the beginning, from the beginning, 121 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,959 a man was created, vegetarian, Jesus came back, came to 122 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,879 redeem us and set us back to the Genesis standard. 123 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,480 I don't think it's christian like of you to use 124 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,279 Exodus or Leviticus to justify a diet when in fact, 125 00:07:49,319 --> 00:07:51,240 you look at Jesus's own teachings, he would not do 126 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:53,800 the same. He would take it back to Genesis and say, 127 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,199 from the beginning it was not so. I think you'll 128 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:56,839 agree with that. 129 00:07:57,519 --> 00:07:58,079 Speaker 1: Uh. 130 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: Jesus from the beginning is all about setting us back 131 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:06,839 to the Genesis standard, which is Genesis one twenty nine. 132 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,560 Fruit in or a bearing seed kills nothing. It's the 133 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,879 optimal human diet. It is the original human factory settings. 134 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,959 But just to state my position up front, is Jesus 135 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:24,199 was a vegetarian at worst or best in your case, 136 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,680 he may have been a light pescatarian. He may have 137 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,800 had a comfort with fish. But I think we're going 138 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:34,919 to show that his place of birth, the community he 139 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,159 was a part of, his family members all point to 140 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,679 a vegetarian diet. Not only that you belong to the 141 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:45,879 Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church puts a heavy emphasis on 142 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:48,879 a vegetarian diet. And I would we can we can 143 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:51,120 get to all these points you know later on. But 144 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:55,279 you bring up Timothy four Timothy four has to do 145 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,840 with meat. He does not say flesh or corpse. Timothy 146 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:03,720 four says, uh, you know they will eat herbs, right, 147 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,200 It's down to herbs. 148 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: Is that true? I think we're on a time lag here. 149 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,399 Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, it says abstaining for meats. 150 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,960 I can look up the Greek word if you want. 151 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,279 Speaker 3: Right, so, meats does not mean all flesh. Going back 152 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,200 to the Genesis definition, meat means fruit and herb bearing seed. 153 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:28,480 It's not until Noah gets off the arc. And by 154 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,360 the way, you bring up Noah, well, hold on. 155 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,519 Speaker 1: Where do you Where do you get that meats is 156 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,240 herbs and. 157 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: Seeds Genesis one? 158 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: Wouldn't we look at wouldn't we look up the Greek 159 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:44,000 word for meats? Why would we go to Genesis about seed? 160 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: From the beginning we were created fruit and herb bearing seed. 161 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,559 That's what meat means. 162 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: Where do you get that? Where do you get that? 163 00:09:57,519 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: Gis no? 164 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: Where do you get that the word meets his seeds? 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 3: That is the broad Christian interpretations? 166 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: Where is that? Says who? I mean? I can look 167 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,480 at the Greek right now, the burden of proof is 168 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:14,399 on you. I guess the burn of proof is not 169 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:16,720 on me, because it's a ridiculous, outlandish claim. 170 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: Neat means food, does not mean flesh. That's the biglical 171 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:24,559 definition of meat. 172 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at it right now. The Greek. The 173 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:35,240 Greek word is broma, which means actual victuals or meat. 174 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,919 According to the Blue Letter Bible, the Greek term broma. 175 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:45,159 Speaker 3: King James version, You've got meat meaning food every English 176 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,799 version of the Bible except for Americanized carnivore. 177 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: This is there's Greek lexicon. What are you talking about? 178 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,399 Speaker 3: Meat means fruit in her bearing seeds. 179 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,759 Speaker 1: The Greek word it's used in the New Testament in 180 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:09,600 that texts. 181 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: Your position on the definition of Greek definition of meat? 182 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,799 Speaker 1: And wouldn't we look to the Greek definition in First 183 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:17,159 tiventy four? The well, hold on what now you're going 184 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,080 to wa some of the Hebrew interpretation? Why would why 185 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,159 would I need the Hebrew interpretation of Paul. 186 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:25,159 Speaker 3: I've got a on myself where it sounds like I'm 187 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,120 arguing with Ned. 188 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: Why would I look to the Hebrew interpretation of Genesis 189 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:31,519 when I'm going to what Paul talks about in First 190 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:35,639 seventy four when he wrote in Greek the early Christians 191 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,840 who what early Christians? Give an example of this site? 192 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:45,399 One give I saw? I cited you the early Christians 193 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,919 like hippologists of Rome. Who says that it is about 194 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,759 actual flesh that's forbidden. Now, what did I say that 195 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:57,519 about origin? Is a heretic? Origin is a heretic. It 196 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:59,600 doesn't matter what origin is a heritic? 197 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,639 Speaker 2: Me and Eve were creative, vegetarian. You're not going to rest, 198 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,399 you don't. 199 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: You've not made an argument yet in response to anything 200 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,000 a flesh? 201 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:11,279 Speaker 2: What was the original diet? 202 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: Did you not hear my opening statement? I said that 203 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,120 Noah stopped interrupting me. In the opening statement, I said, 204 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,320 Noah was given permission to eat meat. 205 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: Now that's actually a punishment because God caught him sacrificing animals. 206 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: No, that's your made up interpretation. It's not a punishment. Uh, 207 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:32,080 you understand this would lead to Marcianism? Right? So did 208 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,080 Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend Passover? No? 209 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,840 They don't. You're making this up. You can't cite. I 210 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,320 just gave you Hippolotis. I just gave you Hippolytis who 211 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:49,159 says that you're wrong? You can't name one that's not true. 212 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,000 I mean, I'm citing you. I'm citing you right now. 213 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,799 Origin is a heretic in so Stratona. So you cited 214 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,120 two heretics. No, they're not accepted by the church, either 215 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:02,399 Catholic or the Catholic and Orthodox churches reject those two 216 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,639 people as heretics. There might be a monastic people who've 217 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:10,559 taken a vow to eat that kind of a diet, 218 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,919 but that's not the same thing as whether or not 219 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:15,919 God permitted it or the weather. Jesus was a vegetarian. 220 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,320 Did Jesus Did Jesus attend Passover? 221 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,279 Speaker 2: He did not eat lamb? 222 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: Is is he the passover? Lamb? Okay? Who gave the 223 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:30,879 law and Exod? Who gave the law? Who gave the 224 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:38,519 don't tell me you're out here, We're done, Tell me 225 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,159 to be quiet on my Who gave the law? Who 226 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,000 gave the law in Exodus? So you're not going to answer. 227 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,360 You're not going to answer who gave the law on Exodus? 228 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,399 Did Jesus give the law? 229 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: God gave the law? 230 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:55,799 Speaker 1: Is Jesus God. 231 00:13:57,919 --> 00:13:58,279 Speaker 3: Not one? 232 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:58,799 Speaker 2: And the same? 233 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? But get he was the one In John five 234 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,039 he says he was the one at mount SINAI giving 235 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:31,360 the law. Yeah, so you're an idiot, all right, I 236 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:38,120 think I'm back now, as I was about to say, 237 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:41,960 Jesus in Luke twenty two seven to fifteen attends the 238 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,600 Passover with his disciples. Jesus is the one that gave 239 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:51,559 the passover. I mean, it's literally utter nonsense to think 240 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,000 that there was some other God. That's why I said 241 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:57,639 he would have to be some form of Marcian I 242 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:02,320 if he wants to defend this position. And the Greek word, 243 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,320 if you want to look it up, it's broma in 244 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:13,559 Strong's one zero three three, and it is a reference 245 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:22,480 to victuals. And for example, in Luke nine it's used 246 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:25,960 for in the context of the fishes to go and 247 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:37,200 buy quote meat. I'm looking at the references. Paul uses 248 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:42,080 the same term about meat, and it has to be 249 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,840 specifically flesh in fir Corinthians eight and First Corinthians ten, 250 00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:53,919 and so meats and diverse meats is clearly talking about 251 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,399 unclean foods, and meats unclean in the Jewish context would 252 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,000 have to be flesh meets or else. It makes no sense. 253 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,159 So this guy has no idea what he's talking about. 254 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:13,399 The only two people he cites are Origin and uh Tertullian, 255 00:16:13,679 --> 00:16:19,399 who are both heretics, which is ridiculous. And you're not 256 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:22,120 gonna come on my channel and tell me to be quiet. 257 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:26,519 This was a complete waste. I knew, I knew it 258 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:28,279 was gonna go that way, but I thought it would 259 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:36,360 still be funny to do so. Now we got some 260 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:39,120 super chats. I gotta I'm trying to remember how to 261 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,039 do this. I don't even remember how where it shows this? 262 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,399 How do I even see the super chats? Welcome everybody? 263 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:56,559 We got? Uh crap, let's see does it show super chat? Oh? Yeah, 264 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,320 it shows the super chats over here? Okay, dude, I've 265 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,400 been so long without super chats that I don't even 266 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,960 remember half of this stuff. You can still use stream labs, 267 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,680 by the way, you don't have to use it. All right, 268 00:17:13,759 --> 00:17:16,039 let's see what we got going over here. Are you 269 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,039 gonna do channel memberships? Yes, channel memberships are turned on 270 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,920 right now. Shout out to all the chat members we got, 271 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:30,400 rough hands, Shout out to GM ninety, Zebras, DC, Woodworking, Slowboy, Whiteboard. 272 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,559 I will still use stream labs, she says, Well, Emmanuel, 273 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,400 what's up? Man apast Prophet miss apast prophet, excuse me 274 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,680 a shout out to all the new members. We got 275 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:45,000 synth A, Ben Durham, Kyle, Rolf Steaks, Vain, jethro Job, 276 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:49,640 Prisoners Progress. Dano says, for five bucks. Ay, now the 277 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,839 pay piggies can shine. Don't forget about the stream labs piggies. 278 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,279 But this is just for fun. That's what I'm talking about. 279 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:00,000 That's what I'm talking about, straight up. Kip and here 280 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:05,920 alc five dollars. First, super chat bish Is it was 281 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,400 actually a melion are Serbian bro, But that's okay. You 282 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,079 can have the DIBs on second, Sleepy Neo five dollars. 283 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,240 I thought he was gonna start arguing that Jesus used 284 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:21,160 Petuli oil. I mean, I don't think there was any 285 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:26,720 point going any further. JB. That was hilariously brief logical podcast. 286 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:30,759 Ten dollars. Hush us up, you, hush up, Lodge. I 287 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,400 know who you are, rough hands five dollars. I won't 288 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,880 use YouTube often, but I don't see that we were 289 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,680 able to gift memberships. Is that just me? I'm gonna 290 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,440 be honest with you, man. Like a lot of YouTube, 291 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,200 it's different. Man. I'm not used to it the way 292 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,599 it works now, so I probably have to go in 293 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,680 there and figure out how to gift memberships. I don't 294 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,680 know how to do that. Let's see participants month. It's 295 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,920 probably in the in the settings is somebody. So there's 296 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,400 somebody that you used to it or knows how to 297 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,759 do it. Go ahead and tell me what you do. 298 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:13,759 I'm assuming you go into my jene eight five dollars. 299 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,119 Soy boy, Vegan confirmed more masculine than reform pastors. I 300 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,960 do give that credit. I got credit because even though 301 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,680 his arguments were like targ tear, he at least came 302 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,519 to debate, and none of the none of the reform 303 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:35,200 people had the cajones to actually step up at the debate. 304 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:37,960 So even the new Age bros will actually come in 305 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:41,000 debate now. He says, Oh, I don't like being called 306 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,279 a new ager. Okay, well, I mean you're gonna be 307 00:19:43,279 --> 00:19:48,039 tell you're talking about hippie Jesus, who's some form of vegetarian. 308 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:54,880 I mean, okay, whatever, Aman jon Aman, yaman five. I'm 309 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,200 on your mom ten dollars. Maybe some of the YouTube 310 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,799 moderators can become wortho bros. I think some of them are. 311 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:05,000 So I'm not sure what you mean. Dog. You have 312 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:07,160 to have a membership level for under five dollars to 313 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,680 give them. Okay, I'll try to set some tiers down 314 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,559 the road. I just felt like, because of inflation, it 315 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:18,720 was time to up the memberships a little bit. You 316 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:20,960 know what I mean. I mean I've had five dollars 317 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,400 memberships since twenty fourteen, so Chris since twenty bucks. I 318 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:30,359 like your channel. Thanks, man, It's nice to be back 319 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,720 at the stage of having memberships again. But and the ads, 320 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:38,319 ads are all different. They seem to run different. Now. 321 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,440 We gotta stream labs run in two so let's let 322 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,880 me do the stream laves over here. Icon of the 323 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,519 Father thirty five dollars. Hey, I think you blocked me. 324 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:51,640 Can I get unblocked? It was an accident? Probably YouTube 325 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,000 takes thirty percent of superchats. My name on YouTube is Arrow. Okay, 326 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,920 I'll look you up, man. I appreciate that. Kind of 327 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,519 the Father sends another three dollars and says here's my channel. 328 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,839 Stormed the cat since ten dollars and says I thought 329 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:06,920 of a problem with dispensationalism. If dispensationalism is true, then 330 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,240 why didn't the apostles New Testament try to build up 331 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:13,480 Israel into a strong country. Why didn't they teach this 332 00:21:13,519 --> 00:21:17,240 to the early Church. Yeah, that's an interesting argument. They 333 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,720 would have been teaching the gospel of the Kingdom in 334 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:28,839 the earthly monetary military conquering of the world through a actual, physical, 335 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,839 literal king. It seems like they would do that. Dano 336 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,720 since five dollars, Oh yeah, pay piggies can shine. Oh wait, 337 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,079 that's the same one. Ce R Scott since ten bucks. 338 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:44,519 Thank you so much, man, I appreciate that Sidge's mund 339 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,160 is a new member. Honey Badger BTC since two dollars 340 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,240 and said Jay's income is about to inflate like the 341 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:55,680 price of bitcoin. Hey, I'm just here to donate to 342 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,319 the IRS, man. That's all I'm doing is when I 343 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:02,920 get the IRS forums to donate ten thousand times more, 344 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:08,200 That's what I'm all about. But a little bit of 345 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:14,960 a rehearsal because I think this topic is worth addressing. 346 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,319 We haven't really addressed this in many years because when 347 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,079 I first started doing streams with Tristan back in twenty eighteen, 348 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,400 you know, this came up a few times and we 349 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,839 had to do a few streams on this and just 350 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,680 to kind of rehearse what I was arguing. If you 351 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,960 think about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus, 352 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,960 which is very crucial to Orthodox theology, it's very obviously 353 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,279 the case if you're Orthodox, then all of these things 354 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:45,319 going on in the Old Testament, like the giving of 355 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,599 the permission to eat meat in Genesis nine, it's not 356 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,599 a punishment, no idea where he gets that. So being 357 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:56,880 able to eat steaks is a punishment. It's not a punishment, 358 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,119 it's a gift. Okay. So Genesis nine three to four, 359 00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:07,200 it says God blessed Noah and his sons. Now did 360 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,079 you hear what he said? That was a punishment? The 361 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,720 text says, God blessed Noah and his sons prosper and reproduce, reproduce, 362 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:19,240 fill the earth. Every living creature will be afraid of you. 363 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,119 Just as I gave the plants to you, now I 364 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,759 give everything else except for me with its lifeblood. So 365 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,559 that means you can't eat. The blood has to be removed, 366 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,720 But it's still a blessing to eat the meat. Okay. 367 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,640 The peace offering, this is the only offering in the 368 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,279 Old Testament where you eat along with the priest and 369 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:49,200 We read about this in the Book of Leviticus and 370 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,519 in the parts of the liturgy where the peace offering 371 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:54,279 there's a specific psalms on twenty two. It's song during 372 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,200 the peace offering. Now remember it's Jesus. It's giving the 373 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,759 lytical law, and it's not a pun ofhmid And the 374 00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:05,880 peace offering is where you bring the meat to the priest. 375 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,799 The priest does the blood draining in concert with what's 376 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:15,559 in Genesis. I'm sick, so excuse my voice. And then 377 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:17,599 it's cooked, and then you share the meal with the 378 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,359 priest and with God. It's a covenant meal that you're 379 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,400 eating with God. And it's a foreshadowing of the Eucharist, 380 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,200 which is the eating of the flesh and blood of Christ. 381 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,839 Now notice that he's a vegetarian, but he doesn't believe 382 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:36,640 in the real presence. Shocker, right, because the purpose of 383 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,440 these Old Testaments, sacrifice, sacrificial rituals, and rights is to 384 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,519 foreshadow the work of Christ, as the Book of Hebrews explains. Thus, 385 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:53,200 Jesus must be the passover. And so you notice when 386 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,920 I asked him if Jesus gave the law. Even though 387 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,359 Jesus says in John five that he's the one that 388 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,240 was at mounta On giving the law. You notice he 389 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,799 had to pause and think about that for a minute, right, 390 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,119 because hmmm, well, it doesn't work to be to say 391 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:20,880 Jesus a vegetarian if he gave people no victuals. If 392 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,119 you look up the Greek word, it's the same word 393 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,720 that's used in Paul's discussions of unclean meats. So it's 394 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:31,920 not talking about and by the way the church fathers 395 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:34,359 interpret it the way I'm saying. That's why if you 396 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,000 let me read to you again, he said, church fathers, 397 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,480 and he didn't have any except for two heretics. I'll 398 00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:42,039 let me read you. A saint the Orthodox Church, Saint Hipolitis. 399 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,000 There are those amongst the Indians, a sect composed of 400 00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:51,839 philosophizing amongst the Brahmins. They contend they spend a contented 401 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:57,880 existence and abstain from living creatures and cooked food. They 402 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,240 are satisfied with fruits in the trees, but carry off 403 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,480 those that have fallen to the earth. They subsist upon those, 404 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,079 but they pass their life naked, affirming that the body 405 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:13,480 is constituted as a covering to the soul by the deity. 406 00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:16,319 Saint Hipologists of Rome reputation of all heresies in the 407 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,359 second century. Yeah, so what so there's unclean seeds According 408 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,480 to Paul and First Corinthians nineinten how stupid that is. 409 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,720 Adam was a you could say, vegetarian, because no one 410 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,880 ate meat until Genesis nine. That's when God gets permission 411 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,720 to eat meat. John Damascus in the seventh century, summarizing 412 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:45,200 all the heretics before him in the Heresiology Book, describes 413 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:50,119 the Acretites, who got their theology from the Marcianites, as 414 00:26:50,400 --> 00:27:00,160 condemned because they forbid the eating of animal flesh against heresies. 415 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:09,519 Let me catch up on super sheets. Do you think 416 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:12,920 that you have traditional news five dollars? Do you think 417 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,920 a traditional way? Do you think a transcendent argument exists 418 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,839 for esthetics and architecture the way that you deny objective beauty, 419 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:26,839 then you get brutalism. Yeah, I think you could probably 420 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,240 make an argument that there has to be an objective 421 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,640 good and an objective beauty. Yes, I think the two 422 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,880 would go together, and that would apply by extension to 423 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:45,319 things like art in general and architecture. Yes. Again, the 424 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:50,279 word broma is what's used in one Timothy four, and 425 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,920 it's the exact same argument that Paul makes in one 426 00:27:54,079 --> 00:28:00,799 Corinthians eight and one Corinthians ten about unclean meats. There's 427 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:04,839 no such thing as uncleaned food, idiots. I mean, see, 428 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,799 there's no unclean seeds. This is just silly. Peach two dollars. Yes, 429 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,880 Adam was a vegetarian, but I mean he didn't eat 430 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:22,640 fish either, so he ate greens, presumably until until Noah 431 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,079 is given permission to eat meat. In Genesis nine Logical Podcast, 432 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,160 since ten dollars shout out to him, what's up, Jonathan, 433 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:35,839 he says sorry, No need to say sorry. Will you 434 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,799 never have to apologize to me? Jonathan? Never? Jade, I 435 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,799 are three dollars. I read the fraud or six one 436 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,039 six essay. I was blown away. Do you mind covering 437 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:51,200 it again? I mean I did a whole two hour 438 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,039 talk on it, so I would just say go back 439 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:54,599 and watch that. I don't really I don't know if 440 00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,319 I want to cover it all again. Do we need 441 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400 do we need to be skeptical of its veracity? Still? 442 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:03,480 I don't know if you need to be. I just 443 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,680 can't prove it, so I don't know. I mean, it 444 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,400 seems to line up with a lot of issues that 445 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,400 have come up. And by the way, even if even 446 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,319 if you did prove number one, it doesn't make sense. 447 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,519 No heretics going to forbid you to eat seeds. Let's 448 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,160 think how stupid this is. So in first tim of 449 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,200 the Four Paul is saying that there are heretics who 450 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,680 teach to abstain from seeds. There's no heretics in groups 451 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,920 that say to abstain from seeds, but there are plenty 452 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,160 of Jews that said and heretics that said don't eat 453 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,319 meat and abstain from unclean meats. So yeah, we knew 454 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,759 this was not gonna last very long. And I would 455 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,160 have kept going if he hadn't tell me to shut 456 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,920 up on my channel, Derek ten dollars. Any book or 457 00:29:51,000 --> 00:30:00,319 video recommended about Orthodox and government, Yvonne Illien's book and 458 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:07,440 pab Natziev's Reflections of a Russian Statesman. I want to 459 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,960 get an idea what it was like to be ruled 460 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,720 by an Orthodox government Byzanteum or Russian. Well, you could 461 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,519 read John Julius Norwich's book on the history of Byzantheum. 462 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,039 There was an abridged version Stephen Runsman as a history 463 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,720 of Byzantheum. Why do you think Quilly did not understand 464 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:24,839 Russian history? Well, I mean he just sees it from 465 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,160 a Western paradigm, and see it doesn't believe Orthodox Christianity. 466 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:40,960 So I'm still trying to navigate getting used to what 467 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:51,559 it's like to have super chats on YouTube again. But 468 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,559 I'll put in the chat for you right here. Here 469 00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:58,119 you can see Thayer's lexicon, which is the most well 470 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,400 known Greek lexicon for the New Testaments. Shouldn't even it's 471 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:08,480 not even, it's not even questionable. Here is a link 472 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,559 to Sayer's lexicon. Yeah, this would this guy's argument would 473 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:19,319 mean that there's unclean seeds. It's just completely stupid. I'm 474 00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:24,920 a I'm a formally prospective convert to Judaism. I still 475 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,839 eat kosher. Do I need to give that up? 476 00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: Uh? 477 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:36,119 Speaker 1: Probably? I mean it's there's no reason that you're you're 478 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,880 missing the point of the walls. So, I mean, Paul's 479 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,279 very clear that it doesn't matter what you eat because 480 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:53,839 anything that we eat is wade since nineteen ninety nine 481 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,240 says I'm too dumb to contemplate comparing a lot of 482 00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:57,839 these arguments, but even inspire me and learned, well, these 483 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:01,000 are pretty simple arguments tonight. So Paul says that anything 484 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,240 that we eat is sanctified by the Word of God 485 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,640 through prayer, and so foods don't commend us to God. 486 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480 Paul says, you're not getting righteous with God. God is 487 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:16,640 not pleased by you avoiding the shrimp and eating you 488 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:24,759 know whatever, it's not. He's still in the chat. All right, 489 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,240 we're moving on. Where's he at? Just boot the sky? Please? 490 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:43,279 This guy's an idiot. Does anybody else have any questions 491 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:48,000 while we're here? I don't know why the internet's so 492 00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:55,640 slow to night. I don't care whether you said shut 493 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,720 up or be quiet. It's the same difference wasting everybody's 494 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,079 time with your third grade arguments. And by the way, 495 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:08,799 when I ask you questions in aer debate and you 496 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,599 don't answer them, and you blow past and you just 497 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:17,839 keep repeating your position, No, that's not gonna happen. What 498 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,720 do I attend Antiochian Osia, Greek, Russian? I mean I 499 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:23,920 would recommend a Russian or our church out of those, 500 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,240 Rachel Wilson, since twenty dollars remonetize, let's go, thank you, Rachel, 501 00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:32,279 appreciate that. 502 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 4: Is it? 503 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: Viewer activity? What is it that tells me? Okay, so 504 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,559 do we all see that what he's talking about with 505 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,359 the word is just nonsense? He has no idea what 506 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:57,319 he's talking about. Here's the Slayer's lexicon or there. Paul 507 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,759 is not Jesus. Did you not hear all the arguments 508 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,599 that I gave about Jesus? I mean, what, like, what 509 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,599 is wrong with you people? I don't understand, like the 510 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:14,519 disconnect here? And why is the internet so slow? Jesus 511 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,559 is who commissioned Paul. Paul is teaching with the authority 512 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,239 of Christ, and I gave you multiple arguments from Christ. 513 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,079 I don't can you can some of you people not 514 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,880 follow more than one argument at once? I mean, is 515 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,639 that the problem? 516 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 4: Like? 517 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: Like, what great are you in eb twenty dollars? JA, 518 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,320 I'm not as smart as you to tackle Protestant points 519 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,400 on my own, specifically once saved always say I'm convinced 520 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,360 towards this heresy. I mean, have you read Hebrew six? 521 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,559 Hebrew six says that you can taste of the gift 522 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:51,480 and be washed and fall away. J. I'm sorry you're 523 00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,280 sick ten dollars just a cold man, but thank you 524 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,880 so much. Jonathan, you don't have to give me these 525 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,599 ten dollars. I appreciate that. Cards YT two dollars, Jay 526 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,559 be Vegan and eat the bug. I know these people 527 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:09,480 are actually pushing the agenda. Alula five dollars. Congratulations on 528 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,559 being let back into the club. Also, I realize the 529 00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:14,239 other day you look like Arthur Morgan from Red Dead 530 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,960 Redemption two. I'm not sure who that is, so I 531 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,119 don't know if that's a dig or a compliment, but 532 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,079 I'm going to assume that Arthur Morgan is an e 533 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,360 Diva in the wild West, because I know that's a 534 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,840 Wild West game. So I want to remind you guys 535 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,519 too that the webs that I have a members talk 536 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,599 already up today. So I went ahead and did the 537 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:42,199 part two of the history of British espionage during World 538 00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,159 War One world War Two. That talk is it's not 539 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:52,320 just British, it's also Napoleonic, German and French espionage. That 540 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,159 talk isn't for members and so if you join, you 541 00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:59,159 get access to the membership tab and you also get 542 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:03,599 access to all the back catalog of stuff. Up until 543 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:07,480 I was demonetized in twenty twenty, I thought it was 544 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,920 twenty eighteen, but was actually twenty twenty. It was twenty eighteen. 545 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:20,239 The website was deleted. Twenty twenty was demonetization. So I 546 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,360 don't know why we have such a terrible connection tonight, 547 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,960 Jethrow since five dollars monetized and membership says twenty eighteen 548 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:35,320 all over again, exactly, That's what I'm talking about. I 549 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,159 should have opened it up to have some kind of 550 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,079 like a call in or like a I should have 551 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:44,440 had like a an ex a Twitter space. What's for 552 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,000 it mean? Truly for sake this? What does it mean 553 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:50,119 to truly forsake the assembly? It means to give up 554 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,440 on attending the public liturgy? David M. Five dollars. I'm 555 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,800 an inquire and soon to be a catechuman. I've yet 556 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,719 to ask my teacher. Yeah, that's what it means. By 557 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,440 the way, we got up to about twelve hundred tonight. 558 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,960 If you guys would hit like because we only got 559 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,000 four hundred likes, we had twelve hundred people. What's up? What? 560 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:15,079 What's up with that? What's up with that? And a 561 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,480 little bit of a reminder that I will be live 562 00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:22,400 this weekend at Tampa if you want to come see 563 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,800 the lecture I'm giving at the Tampa Bay Screams Horror Convention. 564 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,440 We get a good crowd there. My event is separate 565 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,280 from that event. It's going to be at night January nineteenth, 566 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,360 so three days from now, and there's tickets to that 567 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,039 right there. I'll be giving a lecture on the dark 568 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:45,320 Secrets of horror film, so we'd be getting into esoteric Hollywood. 569 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,760 I will be at the convention all day with at 570 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,079 a booth you can come get your books signed by books, 571 00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:56,800 et cetera. Jim Crow, Nimrods, Samaranas, temas aka Jesus. I 572 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,679 hope that you're joking, because that is literally, like probably 573 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,320 the dumbest super chat I've ever had on this channel. 574 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,199 Like literally it's so dumb I almost probably shouldn't have 575 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:18,199 read it. Wow. I mean, but I guess this is 576 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,639 the crowd that we get with this sort of New 577 00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:29,400 Age vegetarian nonsense. I mean, Jesus attended Passover but he 578 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,440 didn't eat anythink else stupid. That is like you can't 579 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,320 participate in the ritual if you don't eat. I mean, 580 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,880 this is like completely stupid. It's chr O, not Crow, 581 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,480 polskat truck are ten dollars. I'm just stopping about to 582 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,840 give you support. I was convinced of Orthodoxy. When you 583 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,119 debate a pastor P. I've been attending a Serbian Orthodox church. 584 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,639 Word up, that's good to hear man. Appreciate that you 585 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,480 shout out to Pastor P for losing that debate. Everybody says, 586 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,840 I'm mean, hey, look, I think I was pretty nice 587 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,119 to Pastor P. JB. Peltier for ten dollars. I heard 588 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,480 an interesting quip about Zar Peter the I forcing a 589 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,280 beard taxt tax to make the country more European. Is 590 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,320 this demonic antagonism towards the clergy or not. My guess 591 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,679 would be maybe I've just never heard that, but it 592 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,880 sounds pretty crazy. Shout out to Jake Rattlesnake. Props to 593 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,039 you dog for having me on great channel, A good 594 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,239 buddy of ours, and thank you for the shout out 595 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,239 there about getting remonetized. Appreciate that. Sorry, I'm so sick, 596 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:44,119 but I think, I mean, I think this was like 597 00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:49,199 a knockdown case. I mean, the point about the seeds 598 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,679 was really silly, as if there's unclean seeds, that's what 599 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,039 his argument would lead to. But I think all the 600 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:56,880 other arguments are like pretty like straight up, so I 601 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,320 can't even see that there was even a one good 602 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,360 argument given. I mean it's like Jesus takes us back 603 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,920 to Genesis. Yeah, but that's in the Esketon. That's not 604 00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:10,440 right now. So I mean people in the in Genesis 605 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,039 were nude? Are we supposed to be nude? I mean, 606 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,480 this is the this is the logic of nudists. Literally, 607 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,880 it's like that's stupid. So and you know, it's another 608 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:27,679 thing with pet heresies is that it's always like they 609 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,039 find one verse right, and it's like, oh, every verse 610 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,920 is that has to fit into that. And the funny 611 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,159 thing about that, like nobody interprets any text this way. 612 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,960 Like you don't go read Plato and pick one line 613 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,599 from Plato and squeeze everything into one line. You don't 614 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,280 read Lord of the Rings and make all the rest 615 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,440 of the narrative fit into one line. It's just obviously 616 00:40:51,880 --> 00:41:00,360 intuitively false and stupid. But every goofball heterodox person picks 617 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,199 out one verse that they think is like some master key, 618 00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,519 and then every other verse has to squeeze into that verse, right, 619 00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:13,159 Like Muslims in John seventeen three. I've already, we already 620 00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:17,360 went through the ancient heretics that believe this. I already 621 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,360 cited the sources as to wear, which was funny because 622 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,760 I picked somebody from I think, isn't Hypolotis of Rome, 623 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,000 like one p. Fifty eight? Right, So Saint Hipolotis condemns 624 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,760 the Brahmins for their abstaining from meat. And then if 625 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,960 you fast forward to the seventh century, John Damascus summarizes 626 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000 all the heresies prior to him, and he lists the 627 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:50,519 Inqretites as rejecting animal foods, and so those are heresies. 628 00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:56,320 Now that's different than when people choose to live in 629 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,960 a setic life and they decide. But that's the very 630 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,119 thing that Paul's talking about. Is mandated forbidding of marriage, 631 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,800 which is exactly what Gnostics did. It's exactly what the 632 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,840 cathari did in the Middle Ages. Peach two dollars. Are 633 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,519 you a young earther? 634 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:24,119 Speaker 4: Yes, uh, we've been. 635 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: It was only forty five minutes. But that's okay anybody. 636 00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:29,360 Uh Yeah. It's like the Bible has the word alien 637 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,760 in it, so therefore aliens exist. Like we're at that level. 638 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,199 I mean, we're dealing with like the inability to do 639 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,599 like word concept foul. Like somebody said today that was 640 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:42,159 a great comment. They said, word concept fallacy is a 641 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:44,880 great IQ test, like a filter for you know, like 642 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,519 filtering out people that you don't want to deal with. 643 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,800 So it may be easier to send a super chat 644 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:56,320 with you know, the native code or whatever. But if 645 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,800 you do want to use stream lives, you guys can 646 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:04,840 all still use dream modes. No, I'm not a flat earther, 647 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,840 so I don't know. Is there a bunch of new 648 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,400 people to the channel on others? Like, is this all 649 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,880 an audience of people that have never been over here before? 650 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,760 Which is fine, welcome everybody who's new. But I assumed 651 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,440 his followers, if they were over here, that they already left. 652 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,519 By the way, here's where you get tickets. Also, remember 653 00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,480 the show sponsors chalk dot com the best in supplementation. 654 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:34,079 Head on over to chalk dot com c h o 655 00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,480 q dot com. 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I didn't hold out a lot of hope. 666 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,280 And God's grace can reach anybody, but I didn't hold 667 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,840 out a lot of hope for anybody in those groups 668 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,719 because it was it's just such a really out there cult. 669 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:21,119 I mean it's like I mean, it literally literally relies 670 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,719 on like super low tier grammar mistakes that Jewish means 671 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:32,440 kind of Jewish. So all right, thank you guys. It 672 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,039 was a lot of fun. I guess uh. It went 673 00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:38,239 about as expected. We could have gone on for longer. 674 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,199 If he didn't tell me to hush or whatever he 675 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,519 said be quiet, you'll tell me be quiet on my channel. 676 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,239 And by the way, when I when you don't answer 677 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,679 the question that I asked, that's when I bring it 678 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,480 back and repeat. And if you keep not answering, that's it. 679 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,000 So