Speaker 1: All right, looks like we are live. Welcome everybody. By
the way, I forgot to link your channel. I will
link your channel below. I'm not a douchebag. I'm not
gonna not link your channel. I just didn't get to
it yet. But your channel is I think Old World Florida.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2: That's right, Jay, Old World Florida.
Speaker 1: With me today, doctor Narco. And I'm assuming that's not
your real PhD title, right.
Speaker 3: No, I told you you could call me Connor if
you wanted. That's my real name, Connor. But that's that's
just my YouTube kind of pseudonym.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? And can I ask like what it refers to
or is that some is it inside joke or something.
Speaker 2: It's just the letters of my name rearranged.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay, irish right, Welcome everybody. Is it sound good?
Can everybody hear what we're discussing? If you can hear me,
let me know in the chat. Make sure this sounds
good with him too. And he hit me up today.
I think he had messaged me a while back, or
one of your buddy's has I can't remember. But with
the possibility of discussing our world views and today we
got into discussion about vegetarianism. So I have an opening
statement that isn't that long, or you could go first.
But before we get into the discussion of who Jesus is,
worldviews all that kind of stuff, do you want to
tell us about yourself and what kind of stuff you
cover and then I will later link below so people
can follow you if they're interested.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, thanks for having me on Jay, I appreciate
you being polite. I run the Old World Florida YouTube channel,
and that's pretty much like Florida History, but tending towards
the esoteric conspiracy theory, you know, hauntings and Atlantis stuff
like that. So yeah, we talk about Christianity sometimes we
talk about holistic health and that's pretty much what my
channel's about.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, now can the chat? Can you guys let me know?
Are you guys able to hear? There's everything good? This
is acting weird. I can't tell. I got my monetization back,
so it's all it's all different now. But all right,
So today we had a disagreement over the question of vegetarianism,
and we'll kick that off. I'll go first, if you
don't mind, and then I'll let you have the floor.
You can make whatever arguments, say whatever you want. I
would say that if that, it's not possible that Jesus
is a vegetarian. And my argument would be that if
we begin by looking by the book of Genesis. In
Genesis nine, God says to Noah that he has the
ability to eat animals. Now after the flood. This was
not something that was allowed prior to that. But we
have a specific allowance that's made in Genesis nine when
the law is given, and the law is not given
by a different deity unless you want to adopt what's
called Marcianism, and that would have its own set of problems.
In Leviticus three, there's the peace offering, and in the
peace offering, it's considered to be a covenant meal. It's
a ritual celebration where the person brings a sacrifice, which
is an animal, and that animal is sacrificed cook and
it's shared by the priest and the communicant or the
ritual worshiper. Likewise, in Exodus, when we come to Exodus
twelve with the passover, we read about the lamb that's slaughtered.
That's a symbolic sacrifice representing the offering again like in
Leviticus three, the peace offering, but at this time it's
offering where it's an innocent victim that's sacrificed in Eton
that is shared by all of the Jews. And then
as we move up into the New Testament, when Christ
the Messiah comes, he fulfills all of these ritual symbols
and actions. And in one way. One way that he
does that is that he keeps the law of the
Old Covenant, because we would say, and I can argue
this textually, that he's the one that gave the law
in the Old Testament. So in other words, Jesus is
the one that gave the laws in Leviticus and Exodus
about what ritual sacrifices and meals were to be had.
And so when Christ gives him lists himself as the Passover,
that's another affirmation that he was the one that was
intended by the meal, the sacrifice all along. Thus, it
could not be possible for Christ to be the Pasca,
as we call him in the Orthodox Church, which is
the Greek term for passover. He couldn't be the Pasca's
meal if he isn't the fulfillment of the actual eating
of the animal in Exodus twelve. Likewise, in the New
Testament we have Jesus after the Resurrection eating fish with
his apostles, which shows us that he does not, even
after the resurrection, reject the possibility of eating flesh or
eating meat. The Church also had to deal with this
early on in the days of Paul. Paul wrote to
Timothy and pointed out in the first I think it's
let me see it's first, Timothy four. First, simply four,
Paul says that people will forbid marriage and the eating
of meat, which is a doctrine of devils ultimately. And
then in the early days of the Church we have
this statement from Saint Hippolotis of Rome that there's also
with us Indians, the sect of those who are called Brahmins,
and they abstain from living creatures and all cooked food.
This is his second describing the heresies that the early
Church rejects up into the seventh century. When reread about
what Saint John Damascus wrote, you know on the heresies,
he lists a bunch of early Church heretics, such as
the Incretites, who forbade the eating of meat, and for
that reason alone that was enough to castigate them. Underneath
Paul's rejection of a Gnostic group. Likewise, in Luke five,
we read about Jesus telling the Apostles to cast their
net on the other side and they catch a large
load of fishes, which wouldn't happen if Jesus was a
vegetarian or vegan or whatever. And then we have Peter's vision,
which we believe comes from Christ, where symbolically the animals
come down, Peter is told to kill and eat. Now
there's many more examples, but these are just kind of
like the brief summary examples of how Christ is the
one who gave the commands both in the Old and
the New Testament, that it's okay to eat me. I apologize.
I'm a little sick. So if my voice and if
I cough the lids because I've got a cold, feel
free to go ahead.
Speaker 2: Carnivore diet got you down?
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I don't think I have it.
Speaker 2: I don't have a cold because of a carnival Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, you bring up some good points, and I'd just
like to say that from the beginning, from the beginning,
a man was created, vegetarian, Jesus came back, came to
redeem us and set us back to the Genesis standard.
I don't think it's christian like of you to use
Exodus or Leviticus to justify a diet when in fact,
you look at Jesus's own teachings, he would not do
the same. He would take it back to Genesis and say,
from the beginning it was not so. I think you'll
agree with that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Jesus from the beginning is all about setting us back
to the Genesis standard, which is Genesis one twenty nine.
Fruit in or a bearing seed kills nothing. It's the
optimal human diet. It is the original human factory settings.
But just to state my position up front, is Jesus
was a vegetarian at worst or best in your case,
he may have been a light pescatarian. He may have
had a comfort with fish. But I think we're going
to show that his place of birth, the community he
was a part of, his family members all point to
a vegetarian diet. Not only that you belong to the
Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church puts a heavy emphasis on
a vegetarian diet. And I would we can we can
get to all these points you know later on. But
you bring up Timothy four Timothy four has to do
with meat. He does not say flesh or corpse. Timothy
four says, uh, you know they will eat herbs, right,
It's down to herbs.
Speaker 2: Is that true? I think we're on a time lag here.
Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, it says abstaining for meats.
I can look up the Greek word if you want.
Speaker 3: Right, so, meats does not mean all flesh. Going back
to the Genesis definition, meat means fruit and herb bearing seed.
It's not until Noah gets off the arc. And by
the way, you bring up Noah, well, hold on.
Speaker 1: Where do you Where do you get that meats is
herbs and.
Speaker 3: Seeds Genesis one?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't we look at wouldn't we look up the Greek
word for meats? Why would we go to Genesis about seed?
Speaker 3: From the beginning we were created fruit and herb bearing seed.
That's what meat means.
Speaker 1: Where do you get that? Where do you get that?
Speaker 2: Gis no?
Speaker 1: Where do you get that the word meets his seeds?
Speaker 3: That is the broad Christian interpretations?
Speaker 1: Where is that? Says who? I mean? I can look
at the Greek right now, the burden of proof is
on you. I guess the burn of proof is not
on me, because it's a ridiculous, outlandish claim.
Speaker 3: Neat means food, does not mean flesh. That's the biglical
definition of meat.
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at it right now. The Greek. The
Greek word is broma, which means actual victuals or meat.
According to the Blue Letter Bible, the Greek term broma.
Speaker 3: King James version, You've got meat meaning food every English
version of the Bible except for Americanized carnivore.
Speaker 1: This is there's Greek lexicon. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Meat means fruit in her bearing seeds.
Speaker 1: The Greek word it's used in the New Testament in
that texts.
Speaker 3: Your position on the definition of Greek definition of meat?
Speaker 1: And wouldn't we look to the Greek definition in First
tiventy four? The well, hold on what now you're going
to wa some of the Hebrew interpretation? Why would why
would I need the Hebrew interpretation of Paul.
Speaker 3: I've got a on myself where it sounds like I'm
arguing with Ned.
Speaker 1: Why would I look to the Hebrew interpretation of Genesis
when I'm going to what Paul talks about in First
seventy four when he wrote in Greek the early Christians
who what early Christians? Give an example of this site?
One give I saw? I cited you the early Christians
like hippologists of Rome. Who says that it is about
actual flesh that's forbidden. Now, what did I say that
about origin? Is a heretic? Origin is a heretic. It
doesn't matter what origin is a heritic?
Speaker 2: Me and Eve were creative, vegetarian. You're not going to rest,
you don't.
Speaker 1: You've not made an argument yet in response to anything
a flesh?
Speaker 2: What was the original diet?
Speaker 1: Did you not hear my opening statement? I said that
Noah stopped interrupting me. In the opening statement, I said,
Noah was given permission to eat meat.
Speaker 3: Now that's actually a punishment because God caught him sacrificing animals.
Speaker 1: No, that's your made up interpretation. It's not a punishment. Uh,
you understand this would lead to Marcianism? Right? So did
Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend? Did Jesus attend Passover? No?
They don't. You're making this up. You can't cite. I
just gave you Hippolotis. I just gave you Hippolytis who
says that you're wrong? You can't name one that's not true.
I mean, I'm citing you. I'm citing you right now.
Origin is a heretic in so Stratona. So you cited
two heretics. No, they're not accepted by the church, either
Catholic or the Catholic and Orthodox churches reject those two
people as heretics. There might be a monastic people who've
taken a vow to eat that kind of a diet,
but that's not the same thing as whether or not
God permitted it or the weather. Jesus was a vegetarian.
Did Jesus Did Jesus attend Passover?
Speaker 2: He did not eat lamb?
Speaker 1: Is is he the passover? Lamb? Okay? Who gave the
law and Exod? Who gave the law? Who gave the
don't tell me you're out here, We're done, Tell me
to be quiet on my Who gave the law? Who
gave the law in Exodus? So you're not going to answer.
You're not going to answer who gave the law on Exodus?
Did Jesus give the law?
Speaker 2: God gave the law?
Speaker 1: Is Jesus God.
Speaker 3: Not one?
Speaker 2: And the same?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But get he was the one In John five
he says he was the one at mount SINAI giving
the law. Yeah, so you're an idiot, all right, I
think I'm back now, as I was about to say,
Jesus in Luke twenty two seven to fifteen attends the
Passover with his disciples. Jesus is the one that gave
the passover. I mean, it's literally utter nonsense to think
that there was some other God. That's why I said
he would have to be some form of Marcian I
if he wants to defend this position. And the Greek word,
if you want to look it up, it's broma in
Strong's one zero three three, and it is a reference
to victuals. And for example, in Luke nine it's used
for in the context of the fishes to go and
buy quote meat. I'm looking at the references. Paul uses
the same term about meat, and it has to be
specifically flesh in fir Corinthians eight and First Corinthians ten,
and so meats and diverse meats is clearly talking about
unclean foods, and meats unclean in the Jewish context would
have to be flesh meets or else. It makes no sense.
So this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
The only two people he cites are Origin and uh Tertullian,
who are both heretics, which is ridiculous. And you're not
gonna come on my channel and tell me to be quiet.
This was a complete waste. I knew, I knew it
was gonna go that way, but I thought it would
still be funny to do so. Now we got some
super chats. I gotta I'm trying to remember how to
do this. I don't even remember how where it shows this?
How do I even see the super chats? Welcome everybody?
We got? Uh crap, let's see does it show super chat? Oh? Yeah,
it shows the super chats over here? Okay, dude, I've
been so long without super chats that I don't even
remember half of this stuff. You can still use stream labs,
by the way, you don't have to use it. All right,
let's see what we got going over here. Are you
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So even the new Age bros will actually come in
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a new ager. Okay, well, I mean you're gonna be
tell you're talking about hippie Jesus, who's some form of vegetarian.
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of a problem with dispensationalism. If dispensationalism is true, then
why didn't the apostles New Testament try to build up
Israel into a strong country. Why didn't they teach this
to the early Church. Yeah, that's an interesting argument. They
would have been teaching the gospel of the Kingdom in
the earthly monetary military conquering of the world through a actual, physical,
literal king. It seems like they would do that. Dano
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That's what I'm all about. But a little bit of
a rehearsal because I think this topic is worth addressing.
We haven't really addressed this in many years because when
I first started doing streams with Tristan back in twenty eighteen,
you know, this came up a few times and we
had to do a few streams on this and just
to kind of rehearse what I was arguing. If you
think about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus,
which is very crucial to Orthodox theology, it's very obviously
the case if you're Orthodox, then all of these things
going on in the Old Testament, like the giving of
the permission to eat meat in Genesis nine, it's not
a punishment, no idea where he gets that. So being
able to eat steaks is a punishment. It's not a punishment,
it's a gift. Okay. So Genesis nine three to four,
it says God blessed Noah and his sons. Now did
you hear what he said? That was a punishment? The
text says, God blessed Noah and his sons prosper and reproduce, reproduce,
fill the earth. Every living creature will be afraid of you.
Just as I gave the plants to you, now I
give everything else except for me with its lifeblood. So
that means you can't eat. The blood has to be removed,
But it's still a blessing to eat the meat. Okay.
The peace offering, this is the only offering in the
Old Testament where you eat along with the priest and
We read about this in the Book of Leviticus and
in the parts of the liturgy where the peace offering
there's a specific psalms on twenty two. It's song during
the peace offering. Now remember it's Jesus. It's giving the
lytical law, and it's not a pun ofhmid And the
peace offering is where you bring the meat to the priest.
The priest does the blood draining in concert with what's
in Genesis. I'm sick, so excuse my voice. And then
it's cooked, and then you share the meal with the
priest and with God. It's a covenant meal that you're
eating with God. And it's a foreshadowing of the Eucharist,
which is the eating of the flesh and blood of Christ.
Now notice that he's a vegetarian, but he doesn't believe
in the real presence. Shocker, right, because the purpose of
these Old Testaments, sacrifice, sacrificial rituals, and rights is to
foreshadow the work of Christ, as the Book of Hebrews explains. Thus,
Jesus must be the passover. And so you notice when
I asked him if Jesus gave the law. Even though
Jesus says in John five that he's the one that
was at mounta On giving the law. You notice he
had to pause and think about that for a minute, right,
because hmmm, well, it doesn't work to be to say
Jesus a vegetarian if he gave people no victuals. If
you look up the Greek word, it's the same word
that's used in Paul's discussions of unclean meats. So it's
not talking about and by the way the church fathers
interpret it the way I'm saying. That's why if you
let me read to you again, he said, church fathers,
and he didn't have any except for two heretics. I'll
let me read you. A saint the Orthodox Church, Saint Hipolitis.
There are those amongst the Indians, a sect composed of
philosophizing amongst the Brahmins. They contend they spend a contented
existence and abstain from living creatures and cooked food. They
are satisfied with fruits in the trees, but carry off
those that have fallen to the earth. They subsist upon those,
but they pass their life naked, affirming that the body
is constituted as a covering to the soul by the deity.
Saint Hipologists of Rome reputation of all heresies in the
second century. Yeah, so what so there's unclean seeds According
to Paul and First Corinthians nineinten how stupid that is.
Adam was a you could say, vegetarian, because no one
ate meat until Genesis nine. That's when God gets permission
to eat meat. John Damascus in the seventh century, summarizing
all the heretics before him in the Heresiology Book, describes
the Acretites, who got their theology from the Marcianites, as
condemned because they forbid the eating of animal flesh against heresies.
Let me catch up on super sheets. Do you think
that you have traditional news five dollars? Do you think
a traditional way? Do you think a transcendent argument exists
for esthetics and architecture the way that you deny objective beauty,
then you get brutalism. Yeah, I think you could probably
make an argument that there has to be an objective
good and an objective beauty. Yes, I think the two
would go together, and that would apply by extension to
things like art in general and architecture. Yes. Again, the
word broma is what's used in one Timothy four, and
it's the exact same argument that Paul makes in one
Corinthians eight and one Corinthians ten about unclean meats. There's
no such thing as uncleaned food, idiots. I mean, see,
there's no unclean seeds. This is just silly. Peach two dollars. Yes,
Adam was a vegetarian, but I mean he didn't eat
fish either, so he ate greens, presumably until until Noah
is given permission to eat meat. In Genesis nine Logical Podcast,
since ten dollars shout out to him, what's up, Jonathan,
he says sorry, No need to say sorry. Will you
never have to apologize to me? Jonathan? Never? Jade, I
are three dollars. I read the fraud or six one
six essay. I was blown away. Do you mind covering
it again? I mean I did a whole two hour
talk on it, so I would just say go back
and watch that. I don't really I don't know if
I want to cover it all again. Do we need
do we need to be skeptical of its veracity? Still?
I don't know if you need to be. I just
can't prove it, so I don't know. I mean, it
seems to line up with a lot of issues that
have come up. And by the way, even if even
if you did prove number one, it doesn't make sense.
No heretics going to forbid you to eat seeds. Let's
think how stupid this is. So in first tim of
the Four Paul is saying that there are heretics who
teach to abstain from seeds. There's no heretics in groups
that say to abstain from seeds, but there are plenty
of Jews that said and heretics that said don't eat
meat and abstain from unclean meats. So yeah, we knew
this was not gonna last very long. And I would
have kept going if he hadn't tell me to shut
up on my channel, Derek ten dollars. Any book or
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a Western paradigm, and see it doesn't believe Orthodox Christianity.
So I'm still trying to navigate getting used to what
it's like to have super chats on YouTube again. But
I'll put in the chat for you right here. Here
you can see Thayer's lexicon, which is the most well
known Greek lexicon for the New Testaments. Shouldn't even it's
not even, it's not even questionable. Here is a link
to Sayer's lexicon. Yeah, this would this guy's argument would
mean that there's unclean seeds. It's just completely stupid. I'm
a I'm a formally prospective convert to Judaism. I still
eat kosher. Do I need to give that up?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Probably? I mean it's there's no reason that you're you're
missing the point of the walls. So, I mean, Paul's
very clear that it doesn't matter what you eat because
anything that we eat is wade since nineteen ninety nine
says I'm too dumb to contemplate comparing a lot of
these arguments, but even inspire me and learned, well, these
are pretty simple arguments tonight. So Paul says that anything
that we eat is sanctified by the Word of God
through prayer, and so foods don't commend us to God.
Paul says, you're not getting righteous with God. God is
not pleased by you avoiding the shrimp and eating you
know whatever, it's not. He's still in the chat. All right,
we're moving on. Where's he at? Just boot the sky? Please?
This guy's an idiot. Does anybody else have any questions
while we're here? I don't know why the internet's so
slow to night. I don't care whether you said shut
up or be quiet. It's the same difference wasting everybody's
time with your third grade arguments. And by the way,
when I ask you questions in aer debate and you
don't answer them, and you blow past and you just
keep repeating your position, No, that's not gonna happen. What
do I attend Antiochian Osia, Greek, Russian? I mean I
would recommend a Russian or our church out of those,
Rachel Wilson, since twenty dollars remonetize, let's go, thank you, Rachel,
appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: Viewer activity? What is it that tells me? Okay, so
do we all see that what he's talking about with
the word is just nonsense? He has no idea what
he's talking about. Here's the Slayer's lexicon or there. Paul
is not Jesus. Did you not hear all the arguments
that I gave about Jesus? I mean, what, like, what
is wrong with you people? I don't understand, like the
disconnect here? And why is the internet so slow? Jesus
is who commissioned Paul. Paul is teaching with the authority
of Christ, and I gave you multiple arguments from Christ.
I don't can you can some of you people not
follow more than one argument at once? I mean, is
that the problem?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Like, what great are you in eb twenty dollars? JA,
I'm not as smart as you to tackle Protestant points
on my own, specifically once saved always say I'm convinced
towards this heresy. I mean, have you read Hebrew six?
Hebrew six says that you can taste of the gift
and be washed and fall away. J. I'm sorry you're
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The website was deleted. Twenty twenty was demonetization. So I
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all over again, exactly, That's what I'm talking about. I
should have opened it up to have some kind of
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it mean? Truly for sake this? What does it mean
to truly forsake the assembly? It means to give up
on attending the public liturgy? David M. Five dollars. I'm
an inquire and soon to be a catechuman. I've yet
to ask my teacher. Yeah, that's what it means. By
the way, we got up to about twelve hundred tonight.
If you guys would hit like because we only got
four hundred likes, we had twelve hundred people. What's up? What?
What's up with that? What's up with that? And a
little bit of a reminder that I will be live
this weekend at Tampa if you want to come see
the lecture I'm giving at the Tampa Bay Screams Horror Convention.
We get a good crowd there. My event is separate
from that event. It's going to be at night January nineteenth,
so three days from now, and there's tickets to that
right there. I'll be giving a lecture on the dark
Secrets of horror film, so we'd be getting into esoteric Hollywood.
I will be at the convention all day with at
a booth you can come get your books signed by books,
et cetera. Jim Crow, Nimrods, Samaranas, temas aka Jesus. I
hope that you're joking, because that is literally, like probably
the dumbest super chat I've ever had on this channel.
Like literally it's so dumb I almost probably shouldn't have
read it. Wow. I mean, but I guess this is
the crowd that we get with this sort of New
Age vegetarian nonsense. I mean, Jesus attended Passover but he
didn't eat anythink else stupid. That is like you can't
participate in the ritual if you don't eat. I mean,
this is like completely stupid. It's chr O, not Crow,
polskat truck are ten dollars. I'm just stopping about to
give you support. I was convinced of Orthodoxy. When you
debate a pastor P. I've been attending a Serbian Orthodox church.
Word up, that's good to hear man. Appreciate that you
shout out to Pastor P for losing that debate. Everybody says,
I'm mean, hey, look, I think I was pretty nice
to Pastor P. JB. Peltier for ten dollars. I heard
an interesting quip about Zar Peter the I forcing a
beard taxt tax to make the country more European. Is
this demonic antagonism towards the clergy or not. My guess
would be maybe I've just never heard that, but it
sounds pretty crazy. Shout out to Jake Rattlesnake. Props to
you dog for having me on great channel, A good
buddy of ours, and thank you for the shout out
there about getting remonetized. Appreciate that. Sorry, I'm so sick,
but I think, I mean, I think this was like
a knockdown case. I mean, the point about the seeds
was really silly, as if there's unclean seeds, that's what
his argument would lead to. But I think all the
other arguments are like pretty like straight up, so I
can't even see that there was even a one good
argument given. I mean it's like Jesus takes us back
to Genesis. Yeah, but that's in the Esketon. That's not
right now. So I mean people in the in Genesis
were nude? Are we supposed to be nude? I mean,
this is the this is the logic of nudists. Literally,
it's like that's stupid. So and you know, it's another
thing with pet heresies is that it's always like they
find one verse right, and it's like, oh, every verse
is that has to fit into that. And the funny
thing about that, like nobody interprets any text this way.
Like you don't go read Plato and pick one line
from Plato and squeeze everything into one line. You don't
read Lord of the Rings and make all the rest
of the narrative fit into one line. It's just obviously
intuitively false and stupid. But every goofball heterodox person picks
out one verse that they think is like some master key,
and then every other verse has to squeeze into that verse, right,
Like Muslims in John seventeen three. I've already, we already
went through the ancient heretics that believe this. I already
cited the sources as to wear, which was funny because
I picked somebody from I think, isn't Hypolotis of Rome,
like one p. Fifty eight? Right, So Saint Hipolotis condemns
the Brahmins for their abstaining from meat. And then if
you fast forward to the seventh century, John Damascus summarizes
all the heresies prior to him, and he lists the
Inqretites as rejecting animal foods, and so those are heresies.
Now that's different than when people choose to live in
a setic life and they decide. But that's the very
thing that Paul's talking about. Is mandated forbidding of marriage,
which is exactly what Gnostics did. It's exactly what the
cathari did in the Middle Ages. Peach two dollars. Are
you a young earther?
Speaker 4: Yes, uh, we've been.
Speaker 1: It was only forty five minutes. But that's okay anybody.
Uh Yeah. It's like the Bible has the word alien
in it, so therefore aliens exist. Like we're at that level.
I mean, we're dealing with like the inability to do
like word concept foul. Like somebody said today that was
a great comment. They said, word concept fallacy is a
great IQ test, like a filter for you know, like
filtering out people that you don't want to deal with.
So it may be easier to send a super chat
with you know, the native code or whatever. But if
you do want to use stream lives, you guys can
all still use dream modes. No, I'm not a flat earther,
so I don't know. Is there a bunch of new
people to the channel on others? Like, is this all
an audience of people that have never been over here before?
Which is fine, welcome everybody who's new. But I assumed
his followers, if they were over here, that they already left.
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Eric says, for five dollars, I used to be a
black Huber Israelite, but in your breakdowns of the Bible,
I realize Orthodoxy is true. Hey, that's great. I didn't
I didn't think. I didn't hold out a lot of hope.
And God's grace can reach anybody, but I didn't hold
out a lot of hope for anybody in those groups
because it was it's just such a really out there cult.
I mean it's like I mean, it literally literally relies
on like super low tier grammar mistakes that Jewish means
kind of Jewish. So all right, thank you guys. It
was a lot of fun. I guess uh. It went
about as expected. We could have gone on for longer.
If he didn't tell me to hush or whatever he
said be quiet, you'll tell me be quiet on my channel.
And by the way, when I when you don't answer
the question that I asked, that's when I bring it
back and repeat. And if you keep not answering, that's it.
So