Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Josh and Jasonboday Christian
Speaker 1: and conspiracy podcast show. I'm your host, Josh Monday. If
Speaker 1: you don't know me, I'm a Christian rapper, devoted husband, father,
Speaker 1: and imriy veteran. Like the interdecing to my co host,
Speaker 1: He's a Christian, devoted husband and father, My brother. What's up, Jason?
Speaker 2: Uh, what's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Good morning? It's uh it's early early, you know, uh.
Speaker 4: Four four thirty over here in California. So thanks, good too.
Speaker 4: I got a lot of things to do today to
Speaker 4: discuss for sure. Let's welcome you guys. Welcome Darius, Welcome David,
Speaker 4: welcome back here. Nice to see you guys. To get
Speaker 4: up up you guys were blessed and.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So first off we have we have Darius from
Speaker 1: the U g L Y are Hold on the ug
Speaker 1: L Yo Shoa podcast.
Speaker 3: My bad, Darius, You're good brother.
Speaker 1: Good morning. How's it going, bro?
Speaker 3: I'm going good man. Glad to be back man. Thank
Speaker 3: you for having me again.
Speaker 1: No problem. And then next up we have Jesus free
Speaker 1: computer geek David Beverly Si. Uh. He just wrote a
Speaker 1: book called The Coming Flood of a I The Rise
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Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's available now, so make sure you guys check
Speaker 1: that out. Uh. This is these are returning guest. Uh.
Speaker 1: These these brothers are definitely blessed by by God to
Speaker 1: uh to be able to teach. I. I've listened to
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Speaker 1: Your Shoe A podcast? You is it? Can you repeat
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, sorry, it's you dot G dot L dot Yes.
Speaker 4: On YouTube, I would say, you g L y man.
Speaker 3: Really you don't really got to put the dots in there.
Speaker 3: But I thought you guys.
Speaker 5: I thought you guys which once in a while call
Speaker 5: it the Ugly Truth once in a while.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well we call our show the ugly Show.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's just the one portion of the whole ministry.
Speaker 3: So my brother JUNI had a little segment called the
Speaker 3: ugly truth. So you're you're right on that. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: So you could catch me on my solo handles, Daddies,
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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, yeah, definitely don't subscribe to their youtubes
Speaker 1: and their Instagram's all that stuff. So all right, and today, guys,
Speaker 1: we want to have like a little roundtable on the Trinity. Okay,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, me, Darius, David, and then Jason.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jason's one on the Trinity yet
Speaker 1: because we've been we've we've had a few shows on
Speaker 1: this before, but I wanted to kind of clarify some
Speaker 1: things and I wanted to make sure that, you know,
Speaker 1: we have some brothers on that are all for the Trinity,
Speaker 1: because I've had a few Trinity shows where there's opposing
Speaker 1: views and we kind of go back and forth and
Speaker 1: it gets crazy. But we just want to have a
Speaker 1: you know, an excellent show and you know it just
Speaker 1: just praise God the whole time. And every time you
Speaker 1: have these brothers on, we have a great show, you know.
Speaker 1: So well we could start it off. I could start
Speaker 1: off if you guys would like, you know, first off,
Speaker 1: oh brother, we want to kind of prove the deity
Speaker 1: of Jesus, you know, so that way people know that
Speaker 1: he wasn't just born in the womb, you know, like
Speaker 1: unitarians would say, born a man and just given this power.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: So first verse I would like to start out with that.
Speaker 1: We could just go verse by verse guys, if you
Speaker 1: guys would like, and I'll start out with the first verse.
Speaker 1: We have John twenty twenty seventh through twenty nine. It says, then,
Speaker 1: saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold
Speaker 1: my hands, and reach hither thy hand, and trust into
Speaker 1: my side, and be not faithless but believing. And Thomas answered,
Speaker 1: and unto him, my Lord and my God, Jesus saith
Speaker 1: unto him Thomas, because thou hast seen me and thou
Speaker 1: hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and
Speaker 1: yet believed. Okay, so first off, what I would say is,
Speaker 1: this is when Jesus comes back, you know, he's after
Speaker 1: he resurrected after three days. First off, I would like
Speaker 1: to say this, there's an example of when John in
Speaker 1: revelation bowed down to an angel and when he fell
Speaker 1: down to worshiping Angel. The Angel told him told him,
Speaker 1: do not worship me God. So what like I would
Speaker 1: like to say is this would be an immediate rebuke
Speaker 1: from Jesus. If he said, my Lord and my God,
Speaker 1: Jesus would have said, stop that, worship your you know,
Speaker 1: worship God the Father, do not call me God. That
Speaker 1: would be an immediate rebuke. But it did not happen.
Speaker 1: So that's my first verse. Next up, Dave or Darius.
Speaker 5: If if you like to go far.
Speaker 3: David, yeah, I'll go first. Before I just get into
Speaker 3: the verse really quick, I just wanted to throw out there,
Speaker 3: you know, the the Unitarians Oneness group, they hold, you know,
Speaker 3: to the one God, as we also to the one God,
Speaker 3: which is called the Shama. So and that reads a
Speaker 3: dude e roodomy six for it and says hero Israel,
Speaker 3: the Lord, our God is one. So when we when
Speaker 3: we speak about I don't really like to use the
Speaker 3: word trinity because it gets everybody in a frenzy. So
Speaker 3: I like to call it the Godhead when we talk.
Speaker 3: When we talk about the Godhead, we understand that we
Speaker 3: serve one God. You know. We just say he's distinctive
Speaker 3: in his being, he's complex in his being, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So we don't serve three separate gods.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 3: and they're all complex in their unity. So we just
Speaker 3: wanted to throw that out there and as in, just
Speaker 3: get back to the shama real quick. When we say one,
Speaker 3: the word here is a hod which in case, it
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean one figure. It can mean a complex.
Speaker 3: It can be a diverse element, a whole, one another
Speaker 3: or another. So just as in Genesis it says as
Speaker 3: a husband and wife come together as one, we understand
Speaker 3: that those are two personal, distinctive beings, but they come
Speaker 3: together as one. So when we say we believe in
Speaker 3: the One True God, we're just saying he's complex in
Speaker 3: his unity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So I just
Speaker 3: wanted to start off with that.
Speaker 1: So they meant, let's go yeah, that's perfect, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, and then David, do you want to go
Speaker 1: with you reverse Darius just just we're okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So first I would like to get into the
Speaker 3: fact that Jesus pre existed before God.
Speaker 5: I love you guys man.
Speaker 3: So you know, some of the people would like to
Speaker 3: say that he was just the thought that came into being.
Speaker 3: And you know he is the messenger of the Father,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't have that deity, and he wasn't around
Speaker 3: before time. So one of the the things that I
Speaker 3: would like to read is John seventeen three five, and
Speaker 3: it says, this is the eternal life that they know
Speaker 3: You the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you
Speaker 3: have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the
Speaker 3: work that you gave me to do. And now Father,
Speaker 3: glorify me in your own presence, with the glory that
Speaker 3: I had with you before the world has existed. So
Speaker 3: right here this is one of them verses that is
Speaker 3: proof that Jesus pre existed. All things remained through him,
Speaker 3: for him and by him. He was always with the Father.
Speaker 3: Eternal wasn't created. He's been there because he shares that
Speaker 3: complex unity with God. And Jesus is God the Son.
Speaker 5: Can I can I touch on that same the same
Speaker 5: being of thought? Yes, sir, I swear brother. I don't
Speaker 5: know what kind of time you guys put in on
Speaker 5: your studies, but every time I hear you and your
Speaker 5: brothers and your speak, and I see what Holy Spirit
Speaker 5: has done. It comes out of you, I am. I'm like,
Speaker 5: my heart wells up. You guys, you guys just nail it.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're so sound and solid in your doctrine
Speaker 5: and understanding. And and I'm in agreement with you that
Speaker 5: when we say trinity. I don't know why this is
Speaker 5: everybody gets tweaked out, like that's Testthholicism, that's Tabolics, and
Speaker 5: and and the Godhead is a good way to you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's kind of like because I've come to understand,
Speaker 5: for example, that there are actually many gods, little g gods,
Speaker 5: and God is the most high, and so a lot
Speaker 5: of times I always say the most high, the most high.
Speaker 5: I don't just say God, well God, who what? God?
Speaker 5: The most High? And when you said hero Israel are
Speaker 5: our Lord is one? You know the Israels, the Israels,
Speaker 5: the Hebrews today in Israel actually hold it against Christianity.
Speaker 5: How dare you say that there are three gods and
Speaker 5: you're saying, we're not saying there are three God's. It's
Speaker 5: it's three persons in one, okay, the Godhead, just like
Speaker 5: my brother said. But and then you said he was
Speaker 5: before he was, he was with God, right John, right
Speaker 5: in the beginning was the Word or the Word was
Speaker 5: with God, and the Word was God. He is God.
Speaker 5: And then we go go on. As we read further down,
Speaker 5: I think it's at verse sixteen.
Speaker 1: I think when it says and the.
Speaker 5: Word became flesh. Now forever pastors have held up a
Speaker 5: Bible and said, I hold before you the living Word
Speaker 5: of God. No folks know Jesus is the living Word
Speaker 5: of God. No offense towards our Bibles. I can say
Speaker 5: this because I read the Bible. That the Bible is scripture.
Speaker 5: It's not the living Word. Jesus is the living Word
Speaker 5: of God. Okay, and so, but talking about Jesus always
Speaker 5: being with God, and he was before the earth was founded,
Speaker 5: we can come to Revelation thirteen. Revelation thirteen, we go
Speaker 5: verse eight. All who dwell on the earth will worship
Speaker 5: him whose names have not been written in the Book
Speaker 5: of Life of the Lamb. Slain before slain before the
Speaker 5: foundation of the world, is what it says in King James. Okay,
Speaker 5: so I have I actually touched on that in my book,
Speaker 5: And can I just show it real quick?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh hold on, let me share a screen.
Speaker 5: Cool. I want to show you. It's it's something that
Speaker 5: what I call like secreted Okay. So right here, this
Speaker 5: is the prologue section. Can you guys see that.
Speaker 1: Yep, yes, okay, we could see.
Speaker 5: So it Now a lot of people are like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, we read English, we don't read Hebrew. Well,
Speaker 5: you know, study to show yourself approved or work, been
Speaker 5: lacking nothing, Right, Listen, it's it's not a hard task
Speaker 5: to want to seek more of Jesus, at least in
Speaker 5: my mind. Right, this is something I get a lot
Speaker 5: of joy out of when I see more of Jesus
Speaker 5: in the scripture. So I look at it in the
Speaker 5: in the original Hebrew. So we know in Genesis one
Speaker 5: it says in the beginning, uh, God created the heavens
Speaker 5: and the earth. That's that's pretty plainly stated, right, makes sense.
Speaker 5: But when we see it in the Hebrew, it says
Speaker 5: it says bearsheet. It says, I'm sorry, yeah, bearsheet arrah
Speaker 5: lohem ats that's first and last, right, And it says hashamaim,
Speaker 5: which is like many waters, okay, and then it says
Speaker 5: va et and the last word is aretz, which is
Speaker 5: which is which is earth, dry land the earth? Right,
Speaker 5: But va et huh. Well, First of all, we know
Speaker 5: that Jesus in the scripture is called the first and
Speaker 5: the last, okay, and the middle This middle statement is
Speaker 5: not translated into English. At that's the first letter and
Speaker 5: the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, the first and
Speaker 5: the last. So it's talking about Jesus. But when we
Speaker 5: come to the the hasha miaim is the heavens va
Speaker 5: at va at rats that's the earth va is a
Speaker 5: viv look right here vib and then alaph tv so
Speaker 5: viov means nailed or fastened. This shows in the very
Speaker 5: beginning of scripture that Jesus was the lamb slain nailed
Speaker 5: before the foundation of the earth, Yes, sir, right in
Speaker 5: Genesis one. Folks, It's like, here, here's the thing about
Speaker 5: you guys, know the whole doctrine of of of first
Speaker 5: mentioned in scripture. I don't think it's first mentioned, but
Speaker 5: you know, where the first time something gets mentioned, it
Speaker 5: kind of defines how it's mentioned throughout the rest of
Speaker 5: the scripture, right all right, I don't know, at least
Speaker 5: I can't think of it off the top of my head.
Speaker 5: Where the lamb who was slain before the foundation of
Speaker 5: the earth in Revelation thirteen. Where's that mentioned in Old
Speaker 5: Testament or anywhere else in the Bible. Where's it mentioned.
Speaker 5: It's like it's just a new concept thrown out in
Speaker 5: Revelation thirteen. Well, actually no, it's not a new concept.
Speaker 5: The concept is put there in Genesis one. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: so it wraps it up. Jesus is the Lamb slain
Speaker 5: before the foundation of the earth. He was before the
Speaker 5: earth was formed. All right, I hope I'm making sense.
Speaker 1: You're making sense.
Speaker 3: We love that.
Speaker 1: We love that, all right, So we that is amazing, Right,
Speaker 1: there's some great greater information. Jason, you're in your next step, bro,
Speaker 1: if you want to go and then and then I'll
Speaker 1: come in and go off of what Darius was saying,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jack Wells.
Speaker 2: As we try to prove the Godhead. Uh, it's ah.
Speaker 5: A lot of.
Speaker 4: Theologians, a lot of famous guys. They try to argue
Speaker 4: all these points and trying to do the things. But
Speaker 4: if I like to go to Psalms to you read
Speaker 4: Psalms too.
Speaker 5: I got it called up right on.
Speaker 4: I'm reading from the King James version though so a
Speaker 4: little bit different. It says, why do the heathen rage
Speaker 4: and the people imagine a vain thing. The kings of
Speaker 4: this earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together
Speaker 4: against the Lord and his anointed. So the Lord, that's
Speaker 4: God right there, and it's anointed, that's that's Jesus, that's his.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's his. That's so who is he talking to?
Speaker 5: Who?
Speaker 2: This is God talking to?
Speaker 4: Who He's not talking to He's not talking to man
Speaker 4: right now, he's talking to like he's talking to the
Speaker 4: Holy Spirit and and and and and Jesus. So let us,
Speaker 4: he says, let us, which is another plural. We want
Speaker 4: to go let with the plurality in unity. There is plurality,
Speaker 4: and unity there can be. It's, it's, it's, it's it's
Speaker 4: very possible. So so let us break their hands asunder
Speaker 4: and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth
Speaker 4: in the uh in the heaven shall laugh, and the
Speaker 4: Lord shall have them in as I say, derision, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: Then shall you speak unto them in his wrath and
Speaker 4: vex him into this sore displeasure. Yet I have set
Speaker 4: my king upon my holy hill of Zion, I would
Speaker 4: declare and decree, the Lord has set unto me. Thou
Speaker 4: art my son. This day, I have begotten THEE asking me,
Speaker 4: and I shall give THEE the heaven for things for
Speaker 4: thy inheritance, and the.
Speaker 2: Other most parts of the earth for thy possession.
Speaker 4: So does that sound like when when the devil is
Speaker 4: trying to tempt the Yes, Jesus, even after the forty
Speaker 4: days in the forty nights or the forty days desert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 4: And this is all written before Jesus is even this
Speaker 4: is Psalms, so this is this is written way before
Speaker 4: Jesus is.
Speaker 5: That's right, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So we got we got that. Jason's okay, are
Speaker 1: you good with that? Or do you want to read
Speaker 1: some more? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's like you go there this and there's a lot more.
Speaker 2: There's a way more in the Bible that say let us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely Genesis Genesis alone.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay. So I'm gonna touch on what Darius said
Speaker 1: too as well. So he says the supremac Okay, So
Speaker 1: first Colossums, it says, who is the image of the
Speaker 1: invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. For by Him
Speaker 1: we're all things cregated that are in heaven, that are
Speaker 1: in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones
Speaker 1: or dominions, or principalities or powers. All things were created
Speaker 1: by him and for him, and he is before all things,
Speaker 1: and by him all things consist. And he is the
Speaker 1: head of the body, the Church, who was the beginning,
Speaker 1: the firstborn, from the day, that in all things he
Speaker 1: might have the prominence where it he pleased the Father
Speaker 1: that in him should all fullness dwell, so you could
Speaker 1: tell that they're speaking of Jesus right here. Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: so just like he said, l oheim right, that's plural
Speaker 1: right there. So God said let there be light. When
Speaker 1: he said when it's when it says said, that means
Speaker 1: he's using the word, that means he's using Jesus Christ, right,
Speaker 1: Jesus creating through him by him also.
Speaker 4: John, So Jesus is the light. So that's kind of
Speaker 4: that's kind of a good way to look at it
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: Because his spirit, he mentions himself, created heaven in the
Speaker 2: earth and then and the.
Speaker 1: Spirit hovered over the waters. Right, So we got the
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit there. So we have we have God the
Speaker 1: Father speaking through Jesus and creating. And also, uh, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say something another thing is, man, I just
Speaker 1: lost my training a question.
Speaker 4: I have a question for David though, is because you're
Speaker 4: you're pretty up on the Hebrew. The Hebrew language, isn't
Speaker 4: the Hebrew language isn't isn't the plural with them isn't
Speaker 4: it mean three?
Speaker 5: And not necessarily so Elohem actually means spirit beings. So
Speaker 5: the word l is ala flamand it means a strong shepherd.
Speaker 5: The word l Okay, you know, Eloheem is not God's name,
Speaker 5: It's a descriptor. It's spirit beings, right, And so so
Speaker 5: I did want to point out one last part of
Speaker 5: a Psalm too. Is what I wanted to bring up
Speaker 5: is is it actually Psalm two is is really cool
Speaker 5: because it actually exemplifies all three of the Godhead. Okay,
Speaker 5: And and the last part of it, it says at
Speaker 5: verse ten, now therefore be and I'm in new King James,
Speaker 5: but now therefore be wise, O Kings be instructed. You
Speaker 5: judges of the earth, serve the Lord with fear. Now listen, listen.
Speaker 5: The judges of the earth are not men. Okay. The
Speaker 5: judges of the earth were the were the beings that
Speaker 5: God put over the nations. Okay, So, sir, so he's saying,
Speaker 5: kings are the men. Okay, the judges are the elohem
Speaker 5: over the nations. Okay, be instructed, you judges of the earth.
Speaker 5: Serve the Lord with fear, the most High or Yahweh
Speaker 5: they always translated into that, and rejoice with trembling. Listen
Speaker 5: to this kiss the sun. Let's he be angry and
Speaker 5: you perish in the way when his wrath is kindled.
Speaker 5: But a little blessed are all those who put their
Speaker 5: trust in him. Now listen. Doesn't the scripture say trust
Speaker 5: not in man, but only in God alone?
Speaker 3: Absolute?
Speaker 5: Okay, So wait a minute, why would it say trust.
Speaker 1: In the sun.
Speaker 5: Now? They want to deny that God ever had a
Speaker 5: son because they gotta take away the only begotten. They
Speaker 5: have to take away the fact that God had a son.
Speaker 5: The fact is though in their own scriptures and old
Speaker 5: what we call Old Testament, which I kind of don't like,
Speaker 5: because the whole of Bible is the testimony of Christ Jesus,
Speaker 5: the whole of the Bible. Forget Old Testament. We need
Speaker 5: to be reading it now, don't Christian, Christian and Modern
Speaker 5: day Church. If your pastor tells you we only read
Speaker 5: the New Testament, ye.
Speaker 1: Walk out immediately, Yeah, walk out?
Speaker 5: The whole of scripture. Okay, it's all about.
Speaker 3: Jesus, and it's it's wild because you know, like if
Speaker 3: you just wanted to use just you know, a simple analogy,
Speaker 3: like they have a problem with Father, son and Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3: But if you look how we were created, We're created
Speaker 3: in God's image. We are we are soul, spirit, and body.
Speaker 3: You know, we are ourselves complex and our unity. You know,
Speaker 3: we're one being which is a human being, but three
Speaker 3: distinctive persons, you know what I'm saying, which is the body,
Speaker 3: the spirit, and the soul. So I don't see how
Speaker 3: far fits this could sound to many. You know, we're
Speaker 3: made in God's image and he knows what he's doing
Speaker 3: and father.
Speaker 1: And it says we're we're actually made in Jesus' image, right,
Speaker 1: because he is the image of the invisible God. That's
Speaker 1: what I wanted to say earlier. So when it says
Speaker 1: that we were making God, yeah you brought it back,
Speaker 1: thank you. So when we were made in God's image,
Speaker 1: he is the image of the invisible God. And also
Speaker 1: in John five forty five, it says that no one
Speaker 1: has ever seen the invisible God, which is yahweh. Right, wait,
Speaker 1: old Testament.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So in the Old Testament we have we actually have
Speaker 1: God coming down and eating with Abraham. Right, we also
Speaker 1: have him wrestling. Okay, we have the Angel of the Lord,
Speaker 1: which guys, is the Messenger of the Lord wrestling with Jacob.
Speaker 1: They're talking about God being there in physical form, then
Speaker 1: they're able to see him. So who are they seeing
Speaker 1: right there? Guys? Now we have Jesus in the Old
Speaker 1: Testament again, so he got to understand that. Okay, So, bro,
Speaker 1: where is it?
Speaker 5: Where where is it written? I think it's John five,
Speaker 5: But I could be totally wrong because I'm really bad
Speaker 5: at just calling out verse chapter I might have.
Speaker 1: I might even screw that up to I have to
Speaker 1: look up that.
Speaker 5: I'm real bad on that. But there's a part where
Speaker 5: Jesus is talking to them, and and they Muslims today
Speaker 5: use this as as a statement against God because it
Speaker 5: says in the scripture no one has seen God, no one, right,
Speaker 5: you know, And and the Muslims will say, wasn't Jesus
Speaker 5: standing right in front of them? Wasn't he right there?
Speaker 5: So doesn't that prove that he can't be God? Because
Speaker 5: no one has seen God? But if you read I
Speaker 5: think it's John five. Jesus says you have not seen
Speaker 5: God because you not believe in the one whom he
Speaker 5: says he just read on to the next.
Speaker 3: Right. And you brought that up. Go ahead, God, go ahead,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 5: Somebody said, look that up.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I was gonna say something else, but
Speaker 3: I didn't thought a go ahead, yeah no, I was
Speaker 3: just gonna say, like with the with the Muslim thing
Speaker 3: that you brought up, And this is kind of the
Speaker 3: same argument with the Ones group, you know, Like they
Speaker 3: make the same arguments that the Muslims make, you know,
Speaker 3: And I just look at that. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: you guys, your whole argument is siding with somebody who
Speaker 3: is of a separate belief of us, although they believe
Speaker 3: to some of the teachings of the tour and everything,
Speaker 3: and they believe Jesus was a prophet and everything, but
Speaker 3: the same concept when they have their debates and everything,
Speaker 3: they're using the same verses, you know. And I just think, man,
Speaker 3: instead of going with this one is debate, instead of
Speaker 3: going against you need to be defending it, because you
Speaker 3: sound no different than these other religions who try to
Speaker 3: prove the same point that there is only the one
Speaker 3: God and the fut and the sun doesn't exist, or
Speaker 3: whatever the case may be.
Speaker 5: But we know as Christians that there is only one God.
Speaker 5: All authority has been given unto me in heaven, on earth,
Speaker 5: and under the earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Okay, that's what he said.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen. So Jason, did you have anything, uh they
Speaker 1: any more verse you want to go overright? I have
Speaker 1: some stuff that I are definitely going to get over.
Speaker 4: So oh h dude, there's a lot in Genesis.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a lot. Just starts off with a
Speaker 2: lot of Genesis, like, uh, Genesis one six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, our image, Yeah, like that's see.
Speaker 2: I feel I believe that Adam was made in the
Speaker 2: image of God.
Speaker 4: We're made in the image of Adam because after that
Speaker 4: Adam fell, we have that defect of sin of us.
Speaker 2: So not actually made we are.
Speaker 4: It's when we go back to and and we uh
Speaker 4: we we confess that Jesus is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We go through the scripture for one Corinthians fifteen, verses
Speaker 4: one through four, the gospel that he that he died
Speaker 4: for our sins, and he and he resurrected after three
Speaker 4: days being in the earth for.
Speaker 2: Three days which is another three. And uh, that's that,
Speaker 2: that's the point you got to make.
Speaker 1: So that's what we do. That's what we become born
Speaker 1: image of God.
Speaker 2: And know you become a son of you become a
Speaker 2: son of God again.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's there's a lot more stuff like this
Speaker 4: Genesis seven, uh, eleven seven, let us go down, let
Speaker 4: us go down.
Speaker 1: So this is what I understand. Why why if you're.
Speaker 4: An Old Testament which mostly you know, the Koran is
Speaker 4: a lot like the Lot, like the Bible. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff in there. And uh, and if you're
Speaker 4: you know you just if you're just Jewish and you
Speaker 4: believe in the Old Testament, how they explain.
Speaker 1: Let us I would say, They would say angels. They
Speaker 1: would say angels, And I understand.
Speaker 2: But angels aren't. Angels aren't aren't aren't God.
Speaker 4: Angels aren't in indirect uh do.
Speaker 2: It with any of the creation and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: So they can't.
Speaker 1: Create or Satan would be creating like crazy. So I
Speaker 1: got some stuff right here. Okay, so here's something we
Speaker 1: need to understand, even though he is trying to create
Speaker 1: through transhumance. But anyways, okay, so here's here's what here's
Speaker 1: what you guys can to understand as well, Jesus receiving
Speaker 1: worship as well. Okay, no man is going to be
Speaker 1: able to receive worship like David was talking about. So
Speaker 1: we got second or second Flippliants nine through eleven says,
Speaker 1: where wherefore God also hath highly exalted him and given
Speaker 1: him a name which is above every name. That at
Speaker 1: the name of Jesus, every niece should bow of things
Speaker 1: in heaven, things in the earth, and things under the earth,
Speaker 1: and that every tongue shall confess that Lord, that Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ is lord to like glory of God the Father.
Speaker 1: So you guys understand that's religious worship. Okay, that ain't
Speaker 1: gonna happen for a man if you're a Unitarian. And
Speaker 1: and that's separate from God the Father. Right there, you're
Speaker 1: seeing that there's a separation between persons right there, right
Speaker 1: So it's like you're seeing that also Also, you guys
Speaker 1: gotta understand in Revelation one eight it says that I
Speaker 1: am the Alpha Omega, the beginning, in the ending saith,
Speaker 1: the Lord which which was and which is to come
Speaker 1: in the Almighty. So Jesus is that's that's that's the
Speaker 1: and then also the Father says that in Isaiah. Okay,
Speaker 1: and also the Father says that later in Revelation. So
Speaker 1: how are you going to have one say that? And
Speaker 1: then Jesus say that if you want to listen to
Speaker 1: the you got to read all the scriptures and you
Speaker 1: got to speak all of them and then come out
Speaker 1: with your your thinking. Don't just go with the this.
Speaker 1: Isaiah says that there's one God and that's only God,
Speaker 1: the Father and Jesus can't say that. What Jesus is
Speaker 1: saying that right here, and he's also receiving religious worship, which.
Speaker 5: R Hey, where is that hero? Israel our Lord is won?
Speaker 5: Is that is that?
Speaker 3: Six?
Speaker 5: For that's you know? And again and and this is
Speaker 5: not to beat up on the Hebrews. I'm just I'm
Speaker 5: familiar with. Of course, they they're Antichrist. They reject the Messiah,
Speaker 5: the majority of them, many are coming to the knowledge
Speaker 5: of salvation through Christ Jesus.
Speaker 3: But when that word.
Speaker 5: When it says here Israel the Lord is one, it's
Speaker 5: the word means unique.
Speaker 1: He is unique.
Speaker 5: He is unlike all other Elohim, all other gods, little
Speaker 5: g gods. And so it's not saying he's just one,
Speaker 5: as one, like a number one. It means he's unique
Speaker 5: from all others. I turned to Psalm twenty two. Psalm.
Speaker 5: Psalm twenty two is a prophecy. And of course it's
Speaker 5: in an Old Testament. For those who who haven't really,
Speaker 5: you know, read the Bible, the psalms are in the
Speaker 5: Old Testament. So they've been around as old as the
Speaker 5: five Books of Moses, as Genesis. They've been around for well,
Speaker 5: you know, almost as long, right, almost anyway. And so
Speaker 5: it starts off with this in Psalm twenty two. And
Speaker 5: this is an I think that'st new King James version.
Speaker 5: My God, My God, why have you forsaken me? Remember
Speaker 5: where Jesus said that hanging on the cross, right? And
Speaker 5: then it goes on, why are you so far from
Speaker 5: helping me? And from the words of my groaning right,
Speaker 5: and goes on to say he cries in the daytime? Uh.
Speaker 5: And then it goes on into song to say, but
Speaker 5: you are holy enthroned in the praises of Israel. Our
Speaker 5: fathers trusted in you. They trusted and you delivered them.
Speaker 5: They cried to you and you and were delivered. They
Speaker 5: trusted in you and we're not shamed, shamed. Then he
Speaker 5: goes on again, the prophecy of Jesus. But I am
Speaker 5: a worm and no man, a reproach of men, and
Speaker 5: despised by the people. All those who see me ridicule me.
Speaker 5: You all remember that, right, yes, sir, If he let
Speaker 5: him call down angels, he'll come there. They'll take him
Speaker 5: down like right, They ridiculed him. Right. They shoot out
Speaker 5: their lips, they shake their heads, saying, he trusted in
Speaker 5: the Lord, let him rescue him, let him deliver him,
Speaker 5: since he delights in him. Right. And so we see
Speaker 5: this prophecy a picture hundreds of not at least hundreds,
Speaker 5: if not a thousand, years before Jesus is on the cross.
Speaker 5: I if you were just to say those words and
Speaker 5: not not not call out what section the scripture it
Speaker 5: is in, I would imagine that amount of day Hebrew
Speaker 5: who rejects Jesus for God. Oh yeah, you're talking about
Speaker 5: that Jesus God.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's good, Yeah, good. Absolutely, he's He's all over
Speaker 3: the Old Testament. There's so many Christ types in the
Speaker 3: Old Testament. You just can't deny that Jesus is in
Speaker 3: every book of the Old Testament. You know, yes, and
Speaker 3: once once you like dig into it like that, it's
Speaker 3: like you get this revealing and it's like, whoa, this
Speaker 3: is crazy. And the touch on you reiterated Brother Dave
Speaker 3: about the Shama due to sixty four when it talks
Speaker 3: about you know how how they used the one which
Speaker 3: is hot if they were to use just the one
Speaker 3: word that means one, which is yahied and that yah
Speaker 3: head is a singular oneness that can't tolerate plararity at all.
Speaker 3: It's just by self standalone, you know. So there's a
Speaker 3: difference between yaheed and there's a difference between a god,
Speaker 3: you know. So those are those are good right there.
Speaker 3: And also what Josh was talking about before Jesus receives
Speaker 3: worship anytime throughout the scriptures when angels, when somebody bows
Speaker 3: down to an angel, the angel automatically stops him, was like,
Speaker 3: do not worship me. I'm a servant just like you.
Speaker 3: There is not one time in scripture where somebody worshiped
Speaker 3: Jesus went on their knees worship him, call them God
Speaker 3: that Jesus said, get up and do not worship me.
Speaker 3: I'm just a servant. No, he always accepted worship from everybody,
Speaker 3: because he know he is.
Speaker 1: He says, he says that I am like, he says.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 5: I want to thinking of the thinking of the woman
Speaker 5: at the well, the woman at the well, when when uh,
Speaker 5: he said, there's coming a time when they were worth worship.
Speaker 5: Neither in this mountain or on that mountain. God is
Speaker 5: looking for those who worship in spirit and in truth,
Speaker 5: because God is spirit. And then he says, the one
Speaker 5: that you're seeking, He tells her, I am the one
Speaker 5: that you are seeking. I am he So, either Jesus
Speaker 5: is a crazy town man, he's crazy, he's a liar,
Speaker 5: or said he is who he said he was and
Speaker 5: who he says he is. If we read on in
Speaker 5: the scripture, of course, you all know that he's the
Speaker 5: only man who ever died said I'm going to rise
Speaker 5: in three days, I'm going to do this, and he did.
Speaker 5: You know, that's just a bunch of hyperbolic statements from Jesus.
Speaker 5: Freak people. Well, no, I'm kind of summarizing here the
Speaker 5: whole wholeness of this. But if we look at the scripture,
Speaker 5: we had a bunch of men who ran scared, and
Speaker 5: then after their Lord and Savior rose from the grave.
Speaker 5: These guys were emboldened to eat and hang up down
Speaker 5: across and die. They were so sure of who he
Speaker 5: was that they were willing to give up everything prior
Speaker 5: to that. It was like, oh, man, you know he
Speaker 5: was supposed to save us from.
Speaker 3: Rome, right, yeah, even like Thomas when Tom is downed,
Speaker 3: you know, and I don't want to see. And this
Speaker 3: is after jesus resurrection. And then when he's seen Jesus
Speaker 3: and he put Jesus was like, go ahead, touch my
Speaker 3: wounds and touched him. He was like God, oh, my
Speaker 3: Lord and my God, you know, and he acknowledged, he
Speaker 3: acknowledged that Jesus was at that moment, and he didn't
Speaker 3: believe it at first from just off for here said
Speaker 3: what the apostles were saying. He was like, I got
Speaker 3: to see this for myself. And when he did, he
Speaker 3: was like, my Lord and my God, you know, yes.
Speaker 5: And he said you're blessed. You're blessed because you see,
Speaker 5: but blessed more blessed those who believe you have not seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seen, right man.
Speaker 1: And then also everybody said, that's Christian says that Jesus
Speaker 1: is my Lord and savior. Right, So let's go back
Speaker 1: to Isaiah forty three eleven through thirteen, as I even
Speaker 1: I am the Lord, and beside me there is no savior.
Speaker 1: I have declared and have saved, and I have showed
Speaker 1: that there is no strange and among you. Therefore you
Speaker 1: are my waitnes, says Saith the Lord, I am God.
Speaker 1: So understand something. So Jesus has to be part of
Speaker 1: that of the Godhead because he's our Lord and savior.
Speaker 1: So if you're out here calling Jesus your Lord and
Speaker 1: savior and then you go back to Isaiah and God
Speaker 1: Yahweh says that there is no savior besides me, then
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? You know, we got to
Speaker 1: take the whole scripture in context, and we got to
Speaker 1: put it and understand. No matter if you read something,
Speaker 1: you need to connect it down in the in the
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: The oldest Well, what is Paul right? Even he says
Speaker 5: that if Jesus is not who he said he was,
Speaker 5: we were we are with people without hope.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Whenever Paul was like a Jew of Jews. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm usually Israelite among Israelites, right, and and.
Speaker 1: He's either one hundred and fifty or zero. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like the boys one hundred and fifty and he
Speaker 1: will going sligh everybody he needs a sleigh or he
Speaker 1: you know, that's what That's how he was. So he
Speaker 1: needs to make sure I believe Paul needed to make
Speaker 1: sure one. And then once he finds out that that
Speaker 1: he believes that he goes one fifty, he's going, you
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a good point like us.
Speaker 1: And I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5: Do it right now.
Speaker 1: Let's go, baby, you know what I mean, that's how
Speaker 1: we should be Like Paul. I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, so you guys got to understand that also, Uh,
Speaker 1: we got to okay, does anybody want to Jason want
Speaker 1: to touch on anything or does anybody want to go?
Speaker 1: I want to take the mic the old time.
Speaker 2: You can go back to it.
Speaker 4: We can go back to the Old Testament. We were
Speaker 4: talking about the Angel of the Lord. All right, let's
Speaker 4: go Joshua thirteen when it came to pass. Uh, this
Speaker 4: is when he was there going to the Battle of
Speaker 4: Jericho and he comes up upon a man that's in
Speaker 4: there staying there with a sword dron and he's like,
Speaker 4: are you with us or against us? And yeah, take
Speaker 4: off your shoes. You are on hollow ground.
Speaker 1: Which's right.
Speaker 4: And he knew what that meant because he was there
Speaker 4: with Moses when God said that, when the when he
Speaker 4: was when he said the same thing, when Jesus said
Speaker 4: the same thing to Moses.
Speaker 2: So that that and he the Angel of the Lord,
Speaker 2: not a angela the Lord, which.
Speaker 1: Is Gabriel capital to capital, the captain of the of
Speaker 1: the Lord as well.
Speaker 4: You could say the word the word, because you can't
Speaker 4: talk to God straight up and you're you, you'll probably
Speaker 4: explode if.
Speaker 2: So, that's why that's why.
Speaker 1: He is sent. He's the he was the he was,
Speaker 1: he was a voice in.
Speaker 4: The burning bush. That proves it right there, because who
Speaker 4: else would know that? Who else is say it like that?
Speaker 1: And if you don't study, if you don't study too,
Speaker 1: like dude, my whole life before, like I always thought
Speaker 1: that God was in the burning bush. I always thought that.
Speaker 1: And then also, oh here's another one. The Angel of
Speaker 1: the Lord showed up when Abraham was going to sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Isis Jesus saw with his own eyes that a man
Speaker 1: was about to do this, and he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that probably pushed him, Like hey, you know that probably
Speaker 1: push them even more to want to do this, for
Speaker 1: all of us to die on the cross, because he
Speaker 1: was like, whatsoever a man to do this? He stopped
Speaker 1: them right there, says the Angel of the Lord. Stop them.
Speaker 1: And it's capital letters and it and that could be
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're just that could be Jesus saying, well,
Speaker 1: here's here's language.
Speaker 5: Language does us falls short sometimes because when we hear
Speaker 5: the word the Angel of the Lord, we're thinking, like
Speaker 5: this angelic being, but angelos, the angel just means an announcer,
Speaker 5: a trumpeter of the Lord. And so so the the
Speaker 5: language kind of does us a disservice. We find that
Speaker 5: a lot. And that's why we have to if we
Speaker 5: really want to really really pull Jesus out of the scripture,
Speaker 5: we want to see him, we got to go deeper
Speaker 5: than just a cursory just reblast through the scripture and.
Speaker 2: That and that Angel of the Lord is never he
Speaker 2: never even has a name, is never named. It's you.
Speaker 5: You have good point.
Speaker 4: Other other angels that show up that always have a message,
Speaker 4: that I always have a message, but this one, but
Speaker 4: he also commands worship.
Speaker 2: That commands worship.
Speaker 4: So that's your assessment would be contradicting itself.
Speaker 2: If it was, if it was that way, so that's.
Speaker 3: Right, right, even with the Angel of the Lord, with
Speaker 3: abraham sacrifice of Isaac, that whole picture is a christ
Speaker 3: type thing, because I do believe, like Josh said, I
Speaker 3: do believe this is Jesus, because you know it starts
Speaker 3: in twenty two eleven, it's the Angel of the Lord.
Speaker 3: If we keep reading, it says, uh, seeing you have
Speaker 3: not withheld your son, your only son, from me. And
Speaker 3: Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and behold behind him
Speaker 3: was a ram caught in the thicket by his horns.
Speaker 3: And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it
Speaker 3: up as a offering. Now, if you continue to read,
Speaker 3: if you continue to read, with that sacrifice exactly, and
Speaker 3: then it says Abraham a second time from heaven said
Speaker 3: by myself. It says, by myself, I have sworn. Only
Speaker 3: God can swear by himself. And Jesus declare, he declares,
Speaker 3: he's the Lord. And then if you go down, it says,
Speaker 3: because you have obeyed my voice. Now the reason I
Speaker 3: think this is Jesus. And if I have to present
Speaker 3: a case, this would be it. This whole concept terror
Speaker 3: is a Christ type. We have the father and the
Speaker 3: son Abraham and his son. Abraham's son was bringing the
Speaker 3: wood for his offering as Jesus Christ held the cross
Speaker 3: for taking himself to us all to the to the
Speaker 3: cross to be uh you know, crucified. Then we also
Speaker 3: have we have the lamb being the ram being caught
Speaker 3: in the thicket. If you go back to the crucifixion,
Speaker 3: he wore the crown of thorns. What else do we have?
Speaker 3: We have just things like that is like you see
Speaker 3: the whole Christ type in this analogy. So I think
Speaker 3: God was giving us this vision, like showing us that
Speaker 3: the Angel of the Lord. Yeah, we can say, all right, man,
Speaker 3: we know that that can be God, but it's not Jesus.
Speaker 3: But here Jesus, I mean God is Father. God has
Speaker 3: given us this whole picture of the foreshadow of Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ in this picture right here. So this is what
Speaker 3: gives me the confidence to be like, yeah, I got.
Speaker 4: We also have a we also have a version of
Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit in that situation, because there is a
Speaker 4: servant that goes and gets.
Speaker 2: Uh uh it Rebecca by the by the will, and
Speaker 2: his name is yeah means comforter.
Speaker 1: So what is what is?
Speaker 2: What is the Holy Spirit? He is the comfort.
Speaker 5: Comforter Okay, I got another one.
Speaker 4: He's always unnamed and the Holy Spirit never always. He
Speaker 4: always professes to Jesus. He always professes the deed of
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. He never he's never named. But you find
Speaker 4: out his name earlier in the in the book because
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: But he got understand too, Isaac.
Speaker 4: Isaac wasn't no little kid, okay, he wasn't like he
Speaker 4: was like ten years old.
Speaker 1: He was probably about if you.
Speaker 4: Understand when when this happens, he did. When he does,
Speaker 4: he disappears for like he did in the days that
Speaker 4: he's gone. Not mentioned in that part of the book
Speaker 4: is three days.
Speaker 5: That's awesome. I had another type. I got another type
Speaker 5: to add to Darius's pile of types of Jesus throughout
Speaker 5: the scripture. It's Genesis thirty seven Joseph. I man, we
Speaker 5: could refer to Joseph so many times of of God's ways,
Speaker 5: you know. And if you remember, Joseph has a dream.
Speaker 5: He tells his brothers, y'all are bound down before I'm paraphrasing, okay,
Speaker 5: and then they get ticked off. They're like we're nuking
Speaker 5: this dude. This dude is going down. We don't like him.
Speaker 5: But he tells his father, you're gonna bow before me,
Speaker 5: and his father is looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 5: That is a type of Jesus. It's a type that
Speaker 5: the father would bow down before the sun.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And also the Angel of the Lord also talks to
Speaker 1: Abraham and also speaks to I can't remember the one
Speaker 1: that had that had the other the other kid, Hagar.
Speaker 1: It says, I will multiply. He doesn't say like he's
Speaker 1: not saying like God will multiply. He says, I will multiply.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to multiply the multiplying diceed you know,
Speaker 1: like he says I. So that's interesting. Also Daniel three
Speaker 1: twenty five. It says that uh. It says that this
Speaker 1: is when they're in the fire, right. It says that
Speaker 1: he answered and said, lo, I see four men loose
Speaker 1: walking in the midst of the fire, and they have
Speaker 1: no hurt, and the form of the floor is like
Speaker 1: the son of God, not a son of God. Jesus
Speaker 1: is in the fire, saving these gentlemen and taking it
Speaker 1: out of the fire. It says it doesn't say a
Speaker 1: son of God, the son of God, and it's all
Speaker 1: capital letters. So I think that's really interesting that that
Speaker 1: that's also Jesus in the Old textament, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can't deny it, you know, it's it's very interesting,
Speaker 1: very interesting.
Speaker 5: Man. I need to look that up in the original Hebrew.
Speaker 5: I need to look and see what the actual it.
Speaker 1: Might have been written in Aramic and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if it was. I think it switched to Aramaic in
Speaker 1: the third chapter. I think the second chapter was Hebrew
Speaker 1: and the third was Arameic. So we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: get in the Arameic there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you know what's crazy that you guys bring that up.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Like, have you guys ever heard about the Targooms?
Speaker 3: So basically the Targooms is basically the old and if
Speaker 3: you read a lot of these passages that we're talking about,
Speaker 3: they always refer to to as the word, yes word,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I've heard that from Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard from uh from bro zen Garcia, he says,
Speaker 1: he says, instead of it being like it was written
Speaker 1: and that was the second translation. Even though everybody goes
Speaker 1: in the septuagen The second transition was the Targo them
Speaker 1: so and it says the word like throughout the Old
Speaker 1: Testament everywhere bro, which is talking about Jesus. Bro Yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: So you know that's just that you're always reading more right,
Speaker 5: always going deeper if it's available in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: We kind of have no excuse not to these days.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I was gonna say that, man. That's why when
Speaker 1: Jesus says, I never knew you at this very moment,
Speaker 1: with all the technology we have, you better know Jesus.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because you could you could read,
Speaker 1: you can you can learn Arameic, you can you could
Speaker 1: read that, you can learn Greek, you can learn all this.
Speaker 1: People to learn Spanish, which is no problem, but you
Speaker 1: can learn Aramic, you can learn Hebrew, you can learn Greek.
Speaker 1: You have all you know, we don't have all the
Speaker 1: time in the world. But hey, there's no excuse, man,
Speaker 1: So you can find out what they said, just like
Speaker 1: a brother David is doing, going back to the Paleo
Speaker 1: Hebrew and all that. It's interesting. I have another spot
Speaker 1: that Jesus is called God, and this is Paul and
Speaker 1: Titus two verses twelve to thirteen, and says, teaching us that
Speaker 1: denying ungodliness and worldly loss, we shall live soberly, righteously
Speaker 1: and godly in the president of the world, looking for
Speaker 1: that blessed hope and glorious appearing of the Great God
Speaker 1: and our Savior Jesus Christ, God and our Savior. That's
Speaker 1: another time calling them us. This is Paul speaking. He
Speaker 1: said the Hebrew of Hebrews, he's calling Jesus Savior and
Speaker 1: he's calling them God. That would be that would never
Speaker 1: happen for somebody that knows the Old Testament like Paul knew,
Speaker 1: and if he was a Hebrew that would never happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he'd give example.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Peter and tewod Peter. One on one, he says, Simon, Peter,
Speaker 3: he's servant and apostle of Jesus Christ to those who
Speaker 3: have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by
Speaker 3: the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ. Yeah,
Speaker 3: those two are parallel with each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've checked it, and I've actually checked it
Speaker 1: to make sure too. That and it's a fluent set
Speaker 1: is when he's saying that, And I want.
Speaker 5: To encourage Christians. Specifically, we got to stop thinking that
Speaker 5: the Disciples were a bunch of like westernized guys or
Speaker 5: even Englishmen. These guys were Hebrews, the original set of Disciples,
Speaker 5: or all hebrew Every one of them grew up in
Speaker 5: a Hebrew house believing that uh, you know, and the
Speaker 5: five books of Torah that they they studied vigilately. Young
Speaker 5: boys were required to.
Speaker 3: Know Genesis absolutely.
Speaker 5: These guys, these guys knew this. They lived the scriptures
Speaker 5: for real, and so for them to say this is
Speaker 5: not a light thing. For them to say what you
Speaker 5: just read right about our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: That that that was in their day, that was even
Speaker 5: that was a dangerous things like blasphemy.
Speaker 1: You get stoned and killed for it. That's why Jesus
Speaker 1: is going to get stoned when and then he's what
Speaker 1: he say that I am?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Everybody?
Speaker 5: Why what?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Another another thing we got to understand is who's
Speaker 1: on the right hand of the father? You know, if
Speaker 1: if Jesus you know what I mean, who's on the
Speaker 1: right hand if it's not separate persons. Now, Steven, when
Speaker 1: he when he got he said, he looked up and
Speaker 1: he saw Jesus at the right hand, right, So Jesus
Speaker 1: is at the right hand of the Father. So who's
Speaker 1: on the right hand if there's is it just if
Speaker 1: it's just the oneness, it's if God the Father was
Speaker 1: actually manifested and it's only God the Father or some
Speaker 1: people just stick with it, it's only Jesus and Jesus
Speaker 1: is God the Father.
Speaker 3: Understand that the whole motial modalism things. Jesus is the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit, you know, and.
Speaker 1: The only focus on Jesus.
Speaker 3: Be careful, there's a distinction always his father, son, holy Father.
Speaker 5: Okay, I know this this might seem off off subject,
Speaker 5: but you just brought it up. How do we and
Speaker 5: this is something I consider, how do we avoid modalism
Speaker 5: all these things that are creeping up, these ideals that
Speaker 5: that sound right, you seem right right? How do we
Speaker 5: avoid that? How? I know what the answer is, But
Speaker 5: how do we avoid going off in the wrong direction
Speaker 5: about who Jesus is, or who the Father God is,
Speaker 5: or or how salvation comes? How do we avoid that?
Speaker 1: You just got to listen to the to the way
Speaker 1: that I think you got to listen to the way
Speaker 1: that it's spoken of the way that they speak. Instead
Speaker 1: of saying like it's three different persons, they'd be like
Speaker 1: it's three parts.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: They switch like it's you just have to listen, But
Speaker 1: you gotta have to study though first, Like we said,
Speaker 1: to show thyself approved to understand that.
Speaker 5: Speaking correctly, right, I agree, But what I'm getting at
Speaker 5: is that, Look, I know, I know college professors that
Speaker 5: could quote scripture way better than all of us combined.
Speaker 1: The devil two The devil can't do.
Speaker 5: That's right, and so what what's the what's the different factor?
Speaker 5: The different factor, the defining factor is Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: Take it to the Holy Spirit of that He's a
Speaker 1: teacher of all things to lead you into all understanding
Speaker 1: right on.
Speaker 5: And this is where they fall flat. And this is
Speaker 5: why they they don't hear that still small voice. And
Speaker 5: I'm speaking specific Christian. If you Christian person, brother and
Speaker 5: sister in Christ Jesus, if you don't hear from God,
Speaker 5: you might want to consider how how your relationship is
Speaker 5: with the one whom you call Lord and Savior. All
Speaker 5: of us can hear that still small voice, but we
Speaker 5: got to listen. We gotta be prepared to hear from
Speaker 5: the Most High through His Spirit, his Holy Spirit, and
Speaker 5: he will lead you into all understanding.
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking speaking of the Holy Spirit, this is something
Speaker 1: we need to understand. Okay. It says Holy Spirit. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's one Corinthians twelve, Verses ten through eleven. It says
Speaker 1: to another, the work in Americas to another, prophecy to another,
Speaker 1: discerning of spirits to another, diverse kinds of tongues to another,
Speaker 1: interpretation of tongues. But all these work, if that one
Speaker 1: and the self same are the self same Spirit, dividing
Speaker 1: to every man severely as he will. Like the spirit
Speaker 1: has his own will. So if the Spirit has his
Speaker 1: own will, and then Jesus says, will, I will follow
Speaker 1: the will of my Father. So Jesus has a will,
Speaker 1: and now God, the Father has a will. There's three
Speaker 1: separate wills. So that makes three separate persons. But they're
Speaker 1: all will Godhead.
Speaker 3: Right, and I understand that. In his verse, in his
Speaker 3: verse it says the Holy the Holy Spirit is identified
Speaker 3: as a person. It says he the Father, and the
Speaker 3: scene the Father, and the Son sends the Spirit who
Speaker 3: manifests himself in all believers. So it's like the Spirit is,
Speaker 3: like you said, Josh, She's the giver of gifts. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it raises. The spirit is what raises people from death
Speaker 3: to life. The spiritual the spirit is a personal person
Speaker 3: of the Godhead. That's why it's talked about. Now, that's
Speaker 3: why he's talked about when it says what is it
Speaker 3: not not? What's the scripture says, uh, I think, don't
Speaker 3: think the Holy Spirit. Don't crust the Holy Spirit. You
Speaker 3: know that's right, So right, don't crust the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3: He's a person. He's not a force. He's not he's
Speaker 3: at a distinctive person of the Godhead. So it is
Speaker 3: awesome that you brought it up like that. What's the
Speaker 3: difference with the one this and modalism the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 5: Dude, dude, and that that's what And I write, I'm
Speaker 5: sorry to pack my book. I write this, uh continuously
Speaker 5: at the end of sections, I say, pray and ask
Speaker 5: Holy Spirit to explain to you what you just read.
Speaker 5: And and but Jesus said, he said to the disciples,
Speaker 5: Remember these guys were not a bunch of Englishmen like
Speaker 5: we portrayed so often. They weren't Westernized. They were Hebrews.
Speaker 5: And Jesus said, from now on, you'll pray in this
Speaker 5: man in the name of the Father, of the Son,
Speaker 5: and the Holy Spirit. Yes, right and right.
Speaker 1: That's religious worship too. When when it's religious worship, when
Speaker 1: you when you're baptizing the name of the Father, the Son,
Speaker 1: and the Holy Spirit, that's religious worship for all three
Speaker 1: God the Father would never have that if they were
Speaker 1: not bought at the Godhead. Also we have lying to
Speaker 1: the Spirit. We have Acts five, verses three through four.
Speaker 1: But Peter said Anias, why hath Satan filled thine hearts
Speaker 1: to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back
Speaker 1: back part of the price of the land whilst it remained,
Speaker 1: was it not thine own? And after it was sold?
Speaker 1: Was it not in thine power? Why thou hast conceived
Speaker 1: conceded this thing in thine heart? And that's how not
Speaker 1: lied unto men, but unto God. So when you lie
Speaker 1: to the Holy Spirit, it says that you're lying to God.
Speaker 5: Well for those for those who don't know that sectionion
Speaker 5: of scripture, what happen is they were all basically giving
Speaker 5: up their worldly goods and sharing with the group and
Speaker 5: creating like this communal living and and people brought stuff
Speaker 5: in and just poured it on the pile, so to speak.
Speaker 5: And they went and lied and said, yeah, well we
Speaker 5: we sold it for this we had this much. And
Speaker 5: he dropped dead on the spot.
Speaker 1: And the wife, the wife came and she dropped dead
Speaker 1: as well. Not just him, but the wife came and
Speaker 1: dropped dead as well.
Speaker 4: So, guys, and John fifteen twenty six, where Jesus speaks
Speaker 4: to the Holy Spirit, Uh, where to go there is?
Speaker 4: He says, But when the comforter has come, whom I
Speaker 4: will send unto you from the Father, even the spirit
Speaker 4: of truth which proceeded from the Father, he still testify
Speaker 4: of me me that's right? Which yeah, and it's uh.
Speaker 4: And Jesus has to go with the Holy Spirit to come,
Speaker 4: so that that's that's that's kind of you know, it's
Speaker 4: kind of crazy to me.
Speaker 5: The scripture says, I'm sorry, forgive me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: That the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, is that right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: And how much prophecy is that he fulfilled? Ay?
Speaker 3: John fourteen twenty six als So just like brother Jason said, man,
Speaker 3: it's like, but the counselor the Holy Spirit the Father
Speaker 3: will sent him in my name, will teach you all
Speaker 3: things and remind you of everything I have told you. So,
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit is our teacher, he's our instructor, he's
Speaker 3: a gift giver. You know, he is part of that God, and.
Speaker 1: He's guiding us every decision you make. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like God versus Satan and everything we do right.
Speaker 1: I always say that. So every decision you make, from
Speaker 1: the minute small decision to the major decisions you make,
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit is guiding you. And you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna feel him guiding you. And when you really are
Speaker 1: walking with God instead of just being a believer, I
Speaker 1: believe I dare.
Speaker 2: People to to that.
Speaker 4: Get stuck in the Bible or actually you're he's getting
Speaker 4: interested to you know, take it, write it down, pray
Speaker 4: to the Holy Spirit about it, and it might not
Speaker 4: happen that day, but it's gonna come and and it's
Speaker 4: gonna come to you, and it's gonna and seriously, it's
Speaker 4: it's it's really weird.
Speaker 5: You mean when you ask for instruction, Yes, sir, Yes,
Speaker 5: I so agree with you. I have never seen God
Speaker 5: Holy Spirit not answer God. Doesn't it say the Father
Speaker 5: loves to give good things? And you are who are
Speaker 5: a sinner? If you if your son asked you for something,
Speaker 5: you're gonna ask for bread, You're gonna give him a snake. Right,
Speaker 5: And so whenever I've asked when I don't understand something,
Speaker 5: oh shoot, I remember. Holy Spirit is the one who
Speaker 5: told me many years ago that uh, space aliens were demons.
Speaker 5: No man told me that. Holy Spirit said it, and
Speaker 5: it opened up WHOA, just the whole world just changed.
Speaker 3: I went, oh, makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 1: I can show you, guys a separate two real quick,
Speaker 1: between Jesus, you know, and and God the Father and
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. So, and this is also religious worship, okay,
Speaker 1: for the Holy Spirit. It says, also this is Luke twelve,
Speaker 1: verses eight eight eight through twelve. Also I say to you,
Speaker 1: whosoever shall confess me before men, him, shall the son
Speaker 1: of Man also confess before the angels of God. He
Speaker 1: hath denied me before men, shall be denied before the
Speaker 1: angels of God. And whoever shall speak a word against
Speaker 1: the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven for him.
Speaker 1: But under him that blaspheth against the Holy Spirit, it
Speaker 1: shall not forgiven. And when they bring unto that, synagogues
Speaker 1: and majesties, our magistrates and powers no thought how and
Speaker 1: what thing ye shall answer, and what ye shall say
Speaker 1: for the holy ghosts, I'll teach you in the same
Speaker 1: hour what ye ought to say. So I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you right there. It says that you speak against the
Speaker 1: son of Man, which is Jesus, but blasted against the
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit is not. It's that's that's religious worship too.
Speaker 1: It's placing the Holy Spirit because like uh, brother David,
Speaker 1: Idarius and Jason were saying, it's he's guiding us. And
Speaker 1: if you start blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, he's there
Speaker 1: personally with you, you know what everything, So if you blasphemy him,
Speaker 1: you know that's that right, there is an unforgivable sin.
Speaker 1: So you guys need to be careful with that. Why
Speaker 1: would God place it so high for the Holy Spirit
Speaker 1: to be you know, that's the unforgivable sin because he's
Speaker 1: you know, got to understand that. So it's it's separating.
Speaker 2: How do you Wiler says, is how do you blasphemy
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What what constitutes that?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: If you deny him? If like that's a.
Speaker 1: I think it's denying.
Speaker 2: That's a hard that's a hard thing to.
Speaker 5: One time I did a teaching and I said, attributing
Speaker 5: something that's that's not from God to Holy Spirit is
Speaker 5: also blaspheming the Holy Spirit. So attributing that that I
Speaker 5: don't know, something, yeah it's doctrines or demons or something,
Speaker 5: and attributing it to the Holy Spirit, which by the way,
Speaker 5: in a sense, what they're gonna do with with AI
Speaker 5: in the near future, they're gonna okay, yeah, and so
Speaker 5: that that's gonna be unforgivable. I'm just thrown that out there, Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of it kind of lines up to
Speaker 3: like even taking the market the beast, that's another thing
Speaker 3: that's unforgivable. So you know how you just how you
Speaker 3: just mentioned it is like the image we were made
Speaker 3: in God's image. Now the beast is trying to create
Speaker 3: his own image, and if you take that image, you
Speaker 3: for for your humanity. But that's why the transhumanism comes
Speaker 3: into play.
Speaker 1: That's why the nephilem they couldn't be saved because made
Speaker 1: in God's image, right, so.
Speaker 4: The devil has the devil has his own trinity as well,
Speaker 4: you know like that, but that I feel like that
Speaker 4: the mark of the beast is like that's blasting me
Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit, because that's his version of sealing you
Speaker 4: with his mark.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that Ephesians, You've been sealed the promise of
Speaker 5: Holy Spirit. Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, once you receive the Holy Spirit, you're you're you're good.
Speaker 5: Sealed, se.
Speaker 2: Done over there.
Speaker 5: That's right. To forget that God has a mark. God
Speaker 5: is actually mentioned several times throughout scripture. Okay, the mark
Speaker 5: of the beast is a corruption of the ideal of
Speaker 5: God's having a mark. We all know everybody's even worldly
Speaker 5: people have heard of the mark of the beast, but
Speaker 5: not even a lot of Christians haven't understood that God has.
Speaker 3: A mark absolutely.
Speaker 5: And so where is it where it says, I forget
Speaker 5: what it's an old Testament where he tells the angels
Speaker 5: to go in and kill everyone and women and child children.
Speaker 5: But he says, one angel, put my mark upon those
Speaker 5: who cry out in the street for the abominations done
Speaker 5: in the city. Put my mark on God. You have
Speaker 5: a mark, yes, And then the seals. The word mark
Speaker 5: and seal is kind of almost interchangeable in scripture, almost,
Speaker 5: and so that seal. Right, we have the seal of
Speaker 5: Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: I also have a verse here. This is Jude. This
Speaker 1: is Jesus's brother, right, it's half brother, it says in
Speaker 1: Jude one through twenty one. This is also separation. You're
Speaker 1: gonna see, you're gonna see separation. Here it says, but
Speaker 1: ye beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith,
Speaker 1: praying and the Holy Ghost, keeping yourselves in the love
Speaker 1: of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ under eternal life.
Speaker 5: They're just mixing it.
Speaker 1: They're just yeah, you're gonna see three different people are
Speaker 1: talking about there, you know. So it's yeah, notice the separation,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another one in Second Corinthians, where it says
Speaker 3: the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Love
Speaker 3: of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be
Speaker 3: with you all. That's the second second Corinthians thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 3: So here we always see right here a separate distinction.
Speaker 3: But they work together as one unity. They're always with
Speaker 3: each other. They don't ever contradict doing another. And another
Speaker 3: passage that you can go, which is underniwed was Jesus baptism.
Speaker 3: All threedom are president at.
Speaker 2: That one time.
Speaker 5: Jesus well please yes, yes, yep.
Speaker 3: And the spare as a dove was there. So it
Speaker 3: was like you you you can go all you want
Speaker 3: trying to say that there's there's not three persons that
Speaker 3: a god had undeniable. It has to get to the
Speaker 3: point where, if you honestly study the scriptures, you just
Speaker 3: have to bow down to it and praise God for
Speaker 3: it because it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and take all of it. And then uh
Speaker 1: Romans one twenty, for the invisible things of Him from
Speaker 1: the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood
Speaker 1: by the things that are made, even his eternal power
Speaker 1: and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. Okay.
Speaker 5: So I would emphasize that there without excuse, Yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 5: And and so we have to actively seek to deny
Speaker 5: Christ Jesus. You have to actively seek and and and listen. Listen,
Speaker 5: I I for the life of me, I don't understand.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's a good thing that we can't get our
Speaker 5: brain around how someone could decide to hate the one
Speaker 5: who died for yours, took your sin upon himself, he
Speaker 5: knew no sin became sin, right, oh my lord. And
Speaker 5: then to give and you'll give you his righteousness in exchange.
Speaker 1: No, And then I want that I want to show
Speaker 1: you where I think that that God, the Father is
Speaker 1: talking to Jesus. And Psalms one ten one it says,
Speaker 1: the Lord said, unto my Lord, sit there at my
Speaker 1: right hand until I make that enemy's thy footstill, Like
Speaker 1: the Lord saith unto my Lord?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: What's going on there? You know what I mean? It's
Speaker 1: really really interesting, man, Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And like he's which one did you just read?
Speaker 5: So what was that?
Speaker 1: That was Psalms one ten, verse one?
Speaker 3: Okay, because there's another song to where it's a song
Speaker 3: forty four where the father cause the father cause of
Speaker 3: the son, like you just mentioned it. So it says
Speaker 3: Psalm forty five six, you're thrown old. God is forever
Speaker 3: and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is the scepter
Speaker 3: of uprightness. Now how do we know this, Jesus? Because
Speaker 3: the writer of Hebrews reiterates the same passage and it says,
Speaker 3: but the son. But if the son, he says you're
Speaker 3: throwing over, God is forever and never, the scepter of
Speaker 3: uprightness is the sceptor of your kingdom. What we know
Speaker 3: and the heat in the book of Hebrews just talking
Speaker 3: about the son here, so it is we have the
Speaker 3: old the old talk.
Speaker 5: In here. It's talking about two different persons because it says, uh,
Speaker 5: therefore God, your God has anointed.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, bro, that's awesome. So just just just the
Speaker 3: New Testament reiterating it, just giving you the proof because
Speaker 3: if you don't believe it in the Old Testament that
Speaker 3: they were talking about Jesus, all right, we're gonna come
Speaker 3: back and we're gonna tell you that we're talking about
Speaker 3: the same We're talking about the same verse in the
Speaker 3: Old Testament. We're talking about Jesus here specifically. So there's
Speaker 3: no denialing that.
Speaker 5: The reason why you need to be grounded in the
Speaker 5: Old Testament scripture, I really we need a different word.
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't like old Testament means like it's
Speaker 5: something we need to throw out, like an old garment.
Speaker 5: It's it's I know, that's what we historically have sectioned
Speaker 5: out the Bible like that, but I don't know. It
Speaker 5: just doesn't sit well with me.
Speaker 2: I heard this from Chuck Missler.
Speaker 4: He said, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed,
Speaker 4: and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. Man
Speaker 4: and if you and if you really really really study
Speaker 4: that and not just take of one verse theology.
Speaker 2: And and and stick with that, you're you're.
Speaker 4: You gotta get you gotta get the whole thing, even
Speaker 4: even the he begat he begat they began it.
Speaker 2: That's I know it's boring.
Speaker 4: But it's very very, very very important in it.
Speaker 5: His secret things in those scriptures, when you dig them
Speaker 5: out there is amazing. And your Chuck Missler was really
Speaker 5: good for that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because there's a story hitting in those names.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And because I wanted to go back to that.
Speaker 4: Uh we were talking about uh Abraham Isaac and and
Speaker 4: because the Holy spirits on his way to get a
Speaker 4: gentile bride. That's how crazy that is that there's so
Speaker 4: many in Jesus' lineage. There's like five women that are
Speaker 4: gentile brides. You know, you got you got Ruth, you
Speaker 4: gott uh, you gotta who else, tamer or Tamart or whatever.
Speaker 4: You got a bo as his mom, Uh the harlet
Speaker 4: what was her name name? She was saved by Joshua
Speaker 4: because she.
Speaker 2: Was with the Mark, Yes, with her mark.
Speaker 4: So that's that's that's awesome. And and that That's why
Speaker 4: I love the Bible, because it's so precise, and it's
Speaker 4: always showing you that it's it's not just prophecy fulfillment,
Speaker 4: it's pattern all the.
Speaker 2: Way through pattern.
Speaker 5: That pattern is to look at prophecy fulfillment. But the
Speaker 5: actual way of God is to demonstrate a pattern, to
Speaker 5: demonstrate that that his well, really, his his his ways,
Speaker 5: his seasons right, his times and seasons right, his appointments.
Speaker 5: So he uses patterns for.
Speaker 1: That I wanted to show. I want to also show, like,
Speaker 1: uh this you know, like to worship, you know, like
Speaker 1: religious worship. You know, this is uh, this is John three,
Speaker 1: verses ten through eighteen. Jesus answered to send unto him
Speaker 1: art thou a master of Israel, and noahs uh not
Speaker 1: these things barely barely, I say, antide, we speak that
Speaker 1: we do, we do know, and testify that we have seen,
Speaker 1: and we receive our uh not our witness. If I
Speaker 1: have told you earthly things and he did not believe,
Speaker 1: how how shall you believe? If I tell you heavenly things,
Speaker 1: and no man had to send it up to heaven,
Speaker 1: but he that come down from heaven, even the Son
Speaker 1: of Men, which is in heaven and as Moses lifted
Speaker 1: up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the
Speaker 1: Son of Man be lifted up, that who's whoever believeth
Speaker 1: in him should not perish but have eternal life. For
Speaker 1: God so loved the world that he gave his only
Speaker 1: begotten son, that whoever believeth in him should not perish,
Speaker 1: but have everlasting life. So right there, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say this, you have to believe in the Son to
Speaker 1: have everlasting life. That is religious worship. Right, For God
Speaker 1: sent not his son into the world to condemn the world,
Speaker 1: but that the world through him may be saved. So
Speaker 1: I told you that Jesus, God the Father, said that
Speaker 1: he is the only savior in Isaiah, and now we
Speaker 1: have religious worship to the Son. They have to be connected, Okay.
Speaker 1: It can't just be a man that was born in
Speaker 1: Mary's womb as a virgin coming out and then God's
Speaker 1: gonna give him this religious worship, because that is blasphemy
Speaker 1: if you don't connect all the scriptures from the Old
Speaker 1: Testament to the New Testament altogether and then make it,
Speaker 1: you know, in context, and understand that there just you
Speaker 1: can't believe it all. Man, if it's not a godhead.
Speaker 1: You can't believe it all because it would contradict itself.
Speaker 1: But it's not contradict itself in any way.
Speaker 5: I wonder, bro, what what is the hindrance that you know?
Speaker 5: There'll be people out on the street, you know, regular
Speaker 5: folk that that's I believe in God. But Jesus is
Speaker 5: an offense to them, you know, I believe the scripture
Speaker 5: that says hearts are revealed by his name. I call it.
Speaker 5: Drop a Jesus bomb in the middle of a conversation
Speaker 5: in a room, drop Jesus. Watch the faces and you
Speaker 5: could you can see who loves them and who doesn't.
Speaker 5: And I just wonder, what is what is the offense?
Speaker 5: What's what's so offensive about Jesus being Lord and Savior?
Speaker 5: What is it? What? What's what's the hindrance?
Speaker 1: You know, it's it happened, and that's the only one
Speaker 1: that you know. Like if you ask the Ai, like
Speaker 1: for example, like tell a joke about Mohammad, the AI
Speaker 1: will not do it. What Jesus. Yeah, if you asked
Speaker 1: to tell a joke about Jesus is gonna come right
Speaker 1: out and do it. If you say, if you say Buddha,
Speaker 1: it won't do it if you say Mohammed or any
Speaker 1: of these other people, it won't do it, but it
Speaker 1: will definitely go and talk about Jesus, right, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's very interesting. Also, the demons they knew
Speaker 1: when they got cast out. They knew Jesus before. They
Speaker 1: already knew.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, we knew already. So Jesus, son, son of
Speaker 5: the Most High God, what have you come here the
Speaker 5: torments before point in time?
Speaker 1: They knew. So even the demons know, and some of
Speaker 1: you Christians don't know. That's terrible. That's terrible. The demons know.
Speaker 1: It's because man has a.
Speaker 4: Hard hard time wrapping it around their head that they
Speaker 4: don't they don't get to help in their salvation. They
Speaker 4: want to help, They want to do the worst. They
Speaker 4: want to do that.
Speaker 2: Oh, we got Jesus is the only answer. But why well,
Speaker 2: what if I do this, this and this, it doesn't well,
Speaker 2: you know what, what they have the doctrine reverse.
Speaker 5: What happens is our love for Christ, Jesus and the
Speaker 5: leading of Holy Spirit causes us to do good works.
Speaker 5: You know, date King David said, will I give an
Speaker 5: offering that didn't cost me? Right? It's like I'm not
Speaker 5: giving the Lord an offering that doesn't cost me. What
Speaker 5: good is that? What kind of offering is that? But
Speaker 5: the fact is is that you know, our goodness is
Speaker 5: a dirty rags. I mean it's almost cliche, right, I
Speaker 5: mean for us, we know you know that, right, your
Speaker 5: your goodness is like dirty rags. Right. So, but the
Speaker 5: thing that the offerings that we give the most high
Speaker 5: come from him. It's like he gives us, he indus,
Speaker 5: he gives us the goodness that we pull her back
Speaker 5: to him. We we there And so I don't know,
Speaker 5: I'm losing my train of thought now, it's all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, but it's just like it's like I don't
Speaker 5: understand again, I don't understand why people would reject Jesus.
Speaker 5: I can't get my brain around it. Why if we
Speaker 5: could understand The only thing I can think of is
Speaker 5: in scripture it says that they love the darkness, they don't.
Speaker 3: Want a light. I had a baby believer one time,
Speaker 3: tell me the times she was like, it was like,
Speaker 3: it just makes so much sense because everywhere you go
Speaker 3: on the TV's, on the radio stations, everywhere, everybody always
Speaker 3: blaspheming Jesus. Everybody's always talking bad about Jesus making fun
Speaker 3: of him in the movies. But all these other gods
Speaker 3: are accepted everywhere, but Jesus is the one who always
Speaker 3: gets the heart and the stick and then the show
Speaker 3: down and the stick. And then she was like, that
Speaker 3: made me think, it's like he's got to be the
Speaker 3: true one, because why is everybody's mouth always attached to
Speaker 3: him in a negative way? You know, nobody wants to
Speaker 3: show him bluff. And sometimes when you think of it
Speaker 3: in a simple way like that, it's kind of true.
Speaker 3: Is like all religions talk about Jesus, whether they say
Speaker 3: he's got or not, they all talk about him. They
Speaker 3: all mock him on TVs, on the show. So when
Speaker 3: you sit back me like why, it's like it makes
Speaker 3: you think it's like he gotta be the truth then,
Speaker 3: because he's in everybody's mouth.
Speaker 5: He's the one who loved you first. It's like it
Speaker 5: doesn't make sense. He loves you immensely and you want
Speaker 5: to hate him. Doesn't make any sense, right.
Speaker 3: Right, It's crazy. It's crazy. You see it all over
Speaker 3: the place, the blasphem and Jesus said, we were making
Speaker 3: jokes of him, and this is take a step back
Speaker 3: and think about why, because he is who he says
Speaker 3: he is in this world and this world has has
Speaker 3: has a lowercase G God who is running it? Right now?
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right, that's right. Man.
Speaker 1: I have another one I'm trying to find real quick.
Speaker 1: It's a it's one that everybody. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a controversial verse.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be bring it on.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be first John five. So first John, okay,
Speaker 1: five five through nine. Ah, Who is he that overcometh
Speaker 1: the world, that he that believeth that Jesus is the
Speaker 1: Son of God. That that is he that come by
Speaker 1: water and blood, even Jesus Christ, not by water only,
Speaker 1: but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit
Speaker 1: that beareth witness, because the spirit is truth. But there
Speaker 1: are the that bare record in heaven, the Father, the Word,
Speaker 1: and the Holy Ghost. And these are uh, these three
Speaker 1: are one. It says it right there. Now some people
Speaker 1: will be like, that wasn't in the Greek, that wasn't it.
Speaker 1: But those people that were quoting this in like two
Speaker 1: hundred a d Okay, so it I'd have been further back.
Speaker 1: So we got to understand that. So I think that
Speaker 1: that verse is very important you know.
Speaker 3: That they are witness.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, read that bear witness and they're separating them there.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a very interesting one right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, there's another scripture that says, on the testimony
Speaker 5: of two or two or three witnesses, let a thing
Speaker 5: be so established.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, that's not true.
Speaker 5: That's true, right, yes, and so and we, by the way,
Speaker 5: our courts of law requires those things. Okay, at least
Speaker 5: at least in you know, even the world tries to
Speaker 5: tries to at least hold to some truths when they
Speaker 5: try to hold the truths, and there's no getting around it.
Speaker 5: If you want the truth, you have to adhere to
Speaker 5: the to the source of all truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, and guys, I love you guys, but I gotta
Speaker 1: go to work. Actually, got to get going too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta leap by side. This is I think I
Speaker 1: think we crushed it. I think we we wrapped everything around.
Speaker 1: Any last words, guys before we get off. I got
Speaker 1: probably like five minutes before I got to roll out
Speaker 1: any last words, dariens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just yeah, I would just like there was
Speaker 3: one script shore. I'll just briefly speaking in John A
Speaker 3: fifty six fifty nine Jesus caused himself God. Basically, when
Speaker 3: the Jews picked up the stones to stone them, he says, truly, truly,
Speaker 3: I say to you, before Abraham was I Am. So
Speaker 3: they picked up stones to throw at him. They knew
Speaker 3: that Jesus was claiming to be the I Am that
Speaker 3: was spoken of in Exodus three fourteen. And when Moses
Speaker 3: Axent was who should I say? Set me? He was like,
Speaker 3: the grade I am. Jesus right here is claiming to
Speaker 3: be God, and also my last one I'll go on
Speaker 3: John five eighteen it says this was the Jews who
Speaker 3: were seeking all the more to kill him because not
Speaker 3: only was he breaking the Sabbath, he was even calling
Speaker 3: God his own father, make oh hold on himself with God.
Speaker 3: So right there, we kind.
Speaker 1: Of got we kind of got the gist of it.
Speaker 5: I think it was yeah, yeah, yeah, something something's up
Speaker 5: with the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so.
Speaker 3: Sorry. You guys see me now, you got Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was just talking about when they were trying to kill
Speaker 3: Jesus because he claimed.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: The Jews picked up the stones. Right.
Speaker 1: If you're a believer in the New Testament, you believe
Speaker 1: in Jesus, you believe in you believe, that's it. He
Speaker 1: says that I am okay.
Speaker 5: So for Abraham, I am yeah, I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then in John five eighteen, this last one, it says,
Speaker 3: this is why the Jews were seeking all the more
Speaker 3: to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
Speaker 3: but he was even calling God his own father, making
Speaker 3: himself equal with you.
Speaker 1: And that's what and that's what it is if you
Speaker 1: call yourself a son of God and in the Hebrew
Speaker 1: you're you're saying you were equal with God.
Speaker 5: Not only that, the first born in Hebrew understandings gets
Speaker 5: a double portion. Yeah yeah right. Jesus is the first forgotten.
Speaker 5: He's the first yeah.
Speaker 3: And alpha Omega. He can forgive sins, he receives worship
Speaker 3: all that. So, guys, i'd like to thank you guys
Speaker 3: Josh for having me again. This was awesome. We could
Speaker 3: have been for hours doing this. I love you so
Speaker 3: on behalf of the you dot dot l dot yes
Speaker 3: you well, that's you can find us all on YouTube
Speaker 3: and again I'm Darius j C I t B t
Speaker 3: V Jowles. That's Jesus Christ is the best jobs on
Speaker 3: my Facebook, Instagram TikTok all that. So Josh again, thank
Speaker 3: you for having me. I appreciate you, guys. And Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ is Lord and saviors. So man, I pray for
Speaker 3: the salvation. I pray for the salvation all all, all
Speaker 3: non believers. Man. And if you're on a fence and
Speaker 3: living a loop warm life, I pray that you truly
Speaker 3: repen and give yourself back to your Lord and go
Speaker 3: back to your first love. Love you guys, all right.
Speaker 1: Love you too, all right, David, Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The scripture says that there's no other name given unto
Speaker 5: men under heaven by which we must be saved. That
Speaker 5: name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Jesus your Shuahamashi, Jesus Messiah,
Speaker 5: the Jesus of the Bible. Okay. And and and that's
Speaker 5: that's what it just keeps going through my mind. There
Speaker 5: is there is no other way to the Father, okay.
Speaker 5: And and it is through his only begotten, the Son.
Speaker 5: And and I want to encourage you if you don't
Speaker 5: know him, it is actually very easy to just ask
Speaker 5: Jesus to make himself known to you. Even even those
Speaker 5: around Jesus said, help our unbelief, and so so ask
Speaker 5: call upon Jesus Christ to come into your heart, to
Speaker 5: make himself known to you so that you can know
Speaker 5: this Jesus that we talk about. Okay, it will not
Speaker 5: only change your life now, but it changes your eternal
Speaker 5: destination and and that and that's my story. I'm sticking
Speaker 5: to it. So listen. I'm David Beverly, Jesus freak computer geek.
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Speaker 5: So flood Ofai dot com. And listen, God bless you all.
Speaker 5: I love you all. It was awesome. If it was nighttime,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to go to sleep right now.
Speaker 5: I'm trying you.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jason, maybe your last words, Bro. I just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you guys for coming on. Uh.
Speaker 2: It's a this was a really good, really good, uh
Speaker 2: really good study, really good for me.
Speaker 4: But I want to say end it with Isaiah chapter
Speaker 4: six verse I think its chapter six verse say where
Speaker 4: he says I heard the voice of the Lord.
Speaker 2: It's saying, whom shall I send who will good for us?
Speaker 2: And I said, here am I, so be that?
Speaker 1: Here am I?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: Be that?
Speaker 2: And what he calls upon you, be that, be that.
Speaker 1: Be that here on my guy.
Speaker 4: Okay, So God bless everybody, and thank you for guys,
Speaker 4: for everything. You guys brought some new like to my
Speaker 4: my my mind. And uh now I can go back
Speaker 4: and actually, you know I need because I still need
Speaker 4: to get some stuff right with the Holy Spirit of
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 2: So let's uh, let's do this. This is awesome, good
Speaker 2: jog a right.
Speaker 1: All right, now, everybody, This is all I got to
Speaker 1: say right here. Okay, I think I already mentioned it before.
Speaker 1: But in Revelations one eight, Jesus says, I am Alpha
Speaker 1: Omega the beginning and ending, say the Lord, which is,
Speaker 1: and which was, and which is to come the Almighty.
Speaker 1: That that's Jesus speaking, And this is in heaven. John
Speaker 1: is in heaven, and Jesus is saying this. Okay, every
Speaker 1: need will bow. Okay, we got we got Jesus receiving
Speaker 1: you know, religious worship. Please guys, just study the word
Speaker 1: and understand. And this is no offense to anybody that's
Speaker 1: a Oneness, Pentecostal, Oneness, Unitarian, any of that stuff. We're
Speaker 1: just trying to do our best to go through the
Speaker 1: scripture study to sell thy self approved. This is what
Speaker 1: we believe, and we're not shoving it down anybody's throat.
Speaker 1: We're just showing you, guys what we that Holy Spirit
Speaker 1: has shown us in the scripture. Okay, that God has
Speaker 1: shown us, So don't be offended in the comment section,
Speaker 1: if you want to leave what you believe, then that's
Speaker 1: all good. But what we want to say is check
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Speaker 1: check us out. And also, I always like to end
Speaker 1: this in prayer, so let's do that Father out in
Speaker 1: the name of Jesus. We appreciate you, Lord, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for showing us you know, the Godhead you know,
Speaker 1: and we're trying to get it right.
Speaker 3: Lord.
Speaker 1: We're doing our best, and I just pray that you know,
Speaker 1: all these gentlemen, you know, send a leadion to angels
Speaker 1: to protect them as there. And also we want to
Speaker 1: pray for David's book let that get in the hands
Speaker 1: of everybody that needs it. Lord, you know who needs it.
Speaker 1: And you know that we're having this uh this change
Speaker 1: of technology and and and uh, I know that that
Speaker 1: damion or demon means intelligence and these are artificial intelligence,
Speaker 1: so they're making artificial bodies, Lord, and it could be
Speaker 1: demons that they're putting into these uh, these entities or
Speaker 1: these bodies. So we want to make sure that everybody
Speaker 1: is aware of this. So if you could let let
Speaker 1: his book flourish and get to as many people that
Speaker 1: needs to hear it, and let everybody that's on this
Speaker 1: panel please, like I said, say, you know, keep their
Speaker 1: family safe and and Lord please be with them. And
Speaker 1: and if there's anything that we need to get right, Lord,
Speaker 1: get it right. And anybody that's listening right now, if
Speaker 1: they need to get something right in their life, Lord,
Speaker 1: I want you to supernaturally break the chains that they
Speaker 1: have that's holding them back from being a true believers
Speaker 1: or walking with you. We don't want anybody to be lukewarm. Lord,
Speaker 1: and we want to make sure that we know you.
Speaker 1: We don't want, we don't want you know, Jesus to
Speaker 1: say that he never knew us, So show us how
Speaker 1: to know you. So please help us with that. Lord.
Speaker 1: We love you so much and we appreciate you in
Speaker 1: Jesus name.
Speaker 3: Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. You guys did an amazing
Speaker 1: job and I hope everybody is blessed by this, this message.
Speaker 1: God bless you