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Speaker 1: This week on Shirley You Can't Be Serious. He was

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a decorated Vietnam vet who couldn't go home. He was

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a special Ops agent who couldn't leave home. It's Rambo

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versus Matrix this week on the Shirley You Can't Be

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Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, do you have an idea for an intro

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on this episode?

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Speaker 3: Why are you wearing that? Because you told me if

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I wore the arny inflatable dinghy suit that they would

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kick us off of YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sparing us the speedo. At least you

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have your shirt.

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Speaker 3: On though, Yes, exactly, exactly. No scars to show off today.

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Speaker 2: Well, very good, Well everybody, welcome to this So the

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Shirley Can't Be Serious Podcast. We are talking today about

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the nineteen eighty five classics Rambo First Blood Part two

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versus Commando. This starts the Schwarzenegger versus Stallone war that

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we have throughout the eighties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a fantastic combination. And as you mentioned when we

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were talking earlier, Stallone was the man of the hour

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at this point. I mean, he had reached his pinnacle

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when he hit First Blood, and he could show that

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he could do something other than Rocky, he was the man,

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and this is Arnold's first non caveman role. Really, yeah,

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I mean he's terminator. Yeah, but he's a robot, you

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know for sure? Yeah, I mean this is one that

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he's actually a human being that's not just a grunt

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killing machine, although obviously he does become a killing machine.

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Speaker 2: I've got a great story for you from screenwriter Stephen

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Desuz on that very thing, which I'll tell you here

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in a minute. But for those of you who don't

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remember or those who don't know, Rambo is a sequel

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to a nineteen eighty two movie that I mean, if

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you're like me, most people kind of jump on board

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with Rambo. But actually First Blood is the first Rambo movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I hadn't seen any of them. You hadn't seen

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any of them, have not at the moment that we

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decided to do this, At the last time that we

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recorded an episode, I had not seen First Blood, I

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had not seen Rambo, and I had not seen Commando.

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I have since watched all three of those movies. I

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will give you my opinion on them. I can't wish

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our final judgment. I do have one question for you. Yes,

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have you ever seen Stop or my mom will shoot.

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I have not ever seen that movie.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think I have either, but now after

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studying all this stuff, I kind of want to.

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Speaker 3: So if you don't know the story on that, the

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script was one that was regarded as one of the

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worst of all time, despite the fact that it was

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written by the guy who wrote Save the Cat, which

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is one of the best selling screens. Yeah, yep, same guy.

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Of course he passed away, but there it is, right

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there on your shelf, Save the Cat. We love it. Anyway,

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Arnold had heard how bad this script was, but to

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throw off Stallone, he expressed interest in it because they

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had obviously also approached Stallone about it, and when Stallone

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heard that Arnie was interested in it, he was like, no,

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I need to be in this movie. And it was

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a It was a dupe that worked.

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Speaker 2: It was the old whoopsie do head fake? Actually, I

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have a timeline of the Stallone Schwarzenegger war Oh fantastic.

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That is super interesting, I think. Okay, it's a breakdown

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by dates. Okay, you want to you want to hear this?

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Should we start off with this?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we should start off with this too. No,

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I think this is perfect all right.

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Speaker 2: So January nineteen seventy seven, Stallone and Schwarzenegger meet at

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the thirty fourth Golden Globes gala. Okay, yeah, say that

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three times past right. Okay, So both take home awards.

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Stallone wins for Rocky, Schwarzenegger wins for pumping Iron.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now, Schwarzenegger wins the Newcomer of the Year award, and

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this is the year that Rocky comes out.

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Speaker 3: Stillone's kind of like, for what, when does it? He's

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not even acting, he didn't write anything, he just was himself.

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Speaker 2: Right, But when he still ends up winning like the

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big award for Rocky, and when that happens, he chucks

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all these flowers that go up in the air and

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over celebrating whoops, I throw these all over you.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, So that's nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 3: Side note. Yeah, Stallone went to that alone. He invited

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his mom to go with him, and she was like,

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can I bring my friend, like June or whatever, And

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he was like, who's June. She's like she's my hairdresser.

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I don't have another third ticket, you know. And she's like, well,

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so she did not come to the Academy Awards where

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he he won for Best Picture, of Best Screenplay, all

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that stuff. That's incredible because let her bring your hairdresser.

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Speaker 2: People forget Rocky won Best Picture and Stallone wrote it

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and Best Picture. Yeah right, and it's worth and it

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 2: I told you, Oh, it's fantastic. I told you before

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we started this. I said, First Blood is kind of

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like Rocky and Rambo is kind of.

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Speaker 3: Like Rocky four. Yeah, they just skipped all the middle stuff.

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Speaker 2: You just ramp it up to number to eleven, right,

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and then you get Rocky.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So okay, let's let's keep on going. So oh yeah, sir,

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October of nineteen eighty five. Okay, So Stallone is he

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does all these wonderful great movies in the early eighties.

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not like he's nobody, right, but he's still trying to

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break into acting. I think he did that hell Nita

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movie where he uh what was that called.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember, Like you're talking about the Black bart

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with like Kirk Douglas, Yes, yes, which I've got another

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Kirk Douglas story later on for this one, okay, but

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uh yeah, where he was he was handsome stranger and

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farcical stuff, that's right. And then he was Conan, of course,

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he was Conan, the barbarian. Yeah, and he was the

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Speaker 2: Which he didn't get to stretch his sort of dramatic skills.

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killing machine with no emotions. Doesn't feel fear or pain

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of Commando was that he could kind of express those emotions.

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk about that. Harrimett be super Dad, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We could make waffles and feed the deer. In October

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of nineteen eighty five, Arnold does press for Commando and

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in this interview he didn't really understand that he could say,

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Apparently this really upset him because he sat down with

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this interviewer and just dished all this bad stuff on Stallone. Well,

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she had a recorder in her pocket, and he would say, so,

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this is not for the story. Well she was like, well,

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off the record. Oh, and so she printed all of it, okay,

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name in the same sentence or same breath as Stallone

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of kind of trashed him. Yeah, this after Rambo is

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this huge international success.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now.

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Speaker 2: In November of nineteen eighty five, Stallone hires Stulf Langren

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he's big, he's muscular, he has an accent. Of course

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he is Russian, but it's basically Schwarzenegger boxing Stallone in

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the movie.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty five, Sylvester Stallone marries Brigitte Nielsen. We

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talked about her in the Beverly Hills Cop two episode. Yes, well,

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Schwarzenegger had spent all summer banging Brigitte Nielsen.

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Speaker 3: You can't say banging on banging.

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Speaker 2: Her brain's out on the red Sonya set. And he

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Some people said that they think that Schwarzenegger set them

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Speaker 3: Get rid of her. Right, that's great, So she's nuts.

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Speaker 2: What better thing to do than just poison this guy

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: In January of nineteen eighty eight, in an interview with Playboy,

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Arnold says that he's tried to be friends with Stallone,

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but Stallone just gives off the wrong vibrations.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: He also made fun of him in this interview. In

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February of nineteen eighty eight, News of the World runs

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a story called Hollywood Stars Nazi Secret.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear about this? No?

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Speaker 2: In this article, it says that Arnold has fervent Nazi

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and anti Semitic views, and the author's secret source Sylvester Stallone.

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Speaker 3: Okay, dang.

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Speaker 2: In August nineteen eighty eight, they actually meet to hash

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out their differences. But I mean, at this time, I

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think it's okay to say they hated each other.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, I think they've said it. I don't

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hate him, that's pitied to fool.

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Speaker 2: So Schwarzenegger's trying to knock Stallone off the top of

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the mountain, and Stallone resents the fact that he's trying

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So in September of nineteen eighty eight, Stallone enters a

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New York dance club and on the wall there's a

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picture assigned picture from Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he demands that

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it be taken down and never be put up again,

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: And so the club owner's like, yes, sir, yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: So not petty at all, right, gosh, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: December nineteen eighty eight, in the movie Twins, Arnold comes up,

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he sees a poster of Rambo three, checks his guns,

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and then goes, ah, right, yeah, short, little jab okay.

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at Schwarzenegger in Tango and Cash, where he beats up

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a guy in prison and said, this guy's like a

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caveman looking guy. He's like I loved you in Conan

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the Barbaria, right, okay. In March of nineteen ninety there's

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a book written about Arnold that shows him poorly and

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it was a hit with Stallone. When he talked to

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the writer, he said, honey, this is better than getting four.

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there's an idea floating around that Schwarzenegger and Stallone may

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start a movie together about cross dressing cops.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: October of ninety one, they opened Planet Hollywood together with

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Bruce Willis. With Bruce Willis, right, yeah, so they actually

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did become somewhat friends.

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Speaker 3: Second, because I mean we talked about on our Diehard

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episode that John McClain basically killed John Matrix and John

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Rambo because he was the everyman hero that everybody wanted

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to see after seeing these absurd action hero guys. That's right,

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that's right.

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Speaker 2: Here you go for February of nineteen ninety two, the story

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you talked about Stopper, my mom will shoot uh huh, Okay,

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Arnie dupe him totally, into taking that role.

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Speaker 3: Which is ridiculous, stell Geddy.

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Speaker 2: In June of nineteen ninety three, in the movie Last

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Action Hero, you see a like a cardboard cutout of

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Stallone as the terminator.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. And so it's just kind of a little

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nod from Arnie to Sly.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety four, during the movie True Lies, Jamie

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they start looking to do a project together. And August

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of two thousand and three, Schwarzenegger runs for governor, okay,

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actually they forge a friendship after all this time, Okay.

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In March of two thousand and five, Tarantino wants them

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Speaker 2: In March of two thousand and five, Stallone contributes to

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Arnold's re election committee. In August of twenty ten, they both.

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Speaker 3: Are in the movie The Expendables. Yep.

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Speaker 2: And then I found this really interesting, Okay. In September

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of twenty ten, this is after they hate each other.

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They were arch rivals, mass competitors, right, Stallone tells the

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La times. When people ask me, who is the most

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extraordinary guy I've ever met, always answer Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Speaker 3: Nice, pretty fascinating, right, And they were in a movie

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like Escape Plan, right, Yeah, they were in they were

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it was maybe twenty twelve, not I mean thirteen years ago,

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the movie. Let's talk origins when we want to start

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with By the way, everybody, welcome to the Shirley. You

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rights to my firstborn child. I don't know what's going

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on with them. I can't make them like open my

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Speaker 2: Well, coming soon, we will get to win this time

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we get to win this time.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So, as we've said, this movie is Rambo a

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sequel to First Blood, Yes, First Blood Part two, which

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I when I was a kid, I'm like, why did

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they just call it second Blood? Wouldn't that have been easier?

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and then they get to Rambo three, which takes First

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Blood right out of the whole thing. Whatever. Anyway, So

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it's based on a book by David Morrel, yes, called

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First Blood. By the way, it's interesting because we've got it.

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these because David Morrell, in addition to writing First Blood

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and a whole bunch of other books, also wrote a

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Captain American series called The Chosen that ran from like

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two thousand and seven to two thousand and eight, which

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I thought was pretty cool. And his story is supposed

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to have taken place in Madison, Kentucky. In the movie,

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it's Hope, Washington, I guess, which I think they actually

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filmed it in Hope, British Columbia. Yeah, so he's got

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that story and a guy named Michael Cazell, who had

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done mostly television shows, had done like Colchak and McLeod

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and Coach and Quincy Emmy. He's the one that writes

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the screenplay. He also, of course, he was the creator

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of hill Street Blues. I think we may even have

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brought him up when we were talking about our best

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theme songs of the early eighties about Hillstrey Blues. Yeah.

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So this is the writer of First Blood. This is

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the screenplay writer of First Blood. And then you've got

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William Sachheim, who is also a TV writer but had

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been writing for like decades and one of his stories

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nineteen fifty three, one of his movies was called Sky Commando. Interesting, Yes,

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all right, yeah, okay, And so you have that story,

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and you have a movie that comes out that, when

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it's ultimately produced, is three hours long. And Stallone calls

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his agent and says, can we buy this film? Can

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we buy the negative and burn it? Yes? And they

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wouldn't sell it to him to burn it. They were

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insistent upon making the movie. And now keep in mind

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the producers on this thing. They wanted it to be

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more like Rambo. They wanted more explosions, they wanted more violence.

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They want a higher body ca out like, but Stallone

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pushed back and it's like, this needs to be a

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story about the difficulties of being a war veteran coming

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back from Vietnam and the struggles and the emotional struggles

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that they go through. He said when he watched the movie,

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it was just absolutely unwatchable. Said that he had a

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line at some point in the movie he kills an

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owl and says, take that, you mother effing mouse munching

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something or other, and then it was so he says,

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how about we cut out all of my dialogue? Uh

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huh except for that very last, you know, breakdown scene

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that he has in the movie. Yeah, And it worked, right.

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It goes from three hours to ninety three minutes and

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he becomes not this absurn one liner guy like Arnold

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is in commando. Let me stop you right there. Yeah.

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So I did hear a story about this. I did hear.

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Speaker 2: He talked about how at the very beginning of the

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movie when Brian Denahey is like, you know, where are

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you going or whatever, and he's like, you see an

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easy writer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, I'm walker, Like, what does this studios

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Speaker 2: So they cut that ridiculous line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I will say that the fact that he cut all

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the one liners made it a more serious story, but

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it did kind of take out some of the personality

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of Rambo, which he doesn't have a great deal of personality.

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I think that we should ultimately talk about the things

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that are wrong with all three of these movies. And

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I want to spend too much time on First Blood.

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version and it is a huge success. Okay, and so

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when it comes for time for part two, as you mentioned,

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the producers are like, okay, now it's can we do

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the explosions now? And it jumps from Rocky one to

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Rocky four in one veil swoop. That's right, it does.

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I want you to try to forget the war for

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the mission. The old Vietnam's dead, sir, I'm alive. It's

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still alive. Now. What's interesting on Rambo? We talked about

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this before. Obviously you have to have a new story, right,

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and so who do they hire to write the new

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Rambo story. A poor like up and garving, yes, starving

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director who has been delayed on his very first big

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budget movie is trying to scrape by while he's getting

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past these delays. He's working on the sequel to two

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different movies. One is a sequel to the movie Alien, Yes,

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and the other is a sequel to the movie First Blood. Yes.

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And this young up and coming director's name is James Cameron.

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Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the guy who just got fired off

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of Piranatu this morning.

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Speaker 3: He's literally starving to death.

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Speaker 2: He said he was eating dog food Like I think

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he's kidding obviously, but he.

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Speaker 3: Was eating the food off of other people's other people's trays. Yeah,

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at the hotel, the to go trays. Yes, he was

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starving to death. And he was the director of that movie. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we talked about Parana two with the film by guys. Right, Yeah,

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go back and list that episode. That was a lot

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of fun. James Cameron. Yes, the James Cameron is writing Titanic.

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Excuse me, Titanic, not yet. He is spending time writing

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The Terminator, Aliens and Rambo Part two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yep. All at the same time, right, and so

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Stallone gets a copy of James Cameron's script. James Cameron's

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script involves a sidekick with some funny lines who they

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ultimately were going to have John Travolta play that part,

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which is interesting because Stallone had directed Travolta in Staying Alive.

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It's a masterpiece. Saturday Night Fever. Check out our Saturday

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Night Fever episode. We hated that movie. Yeah, and Stallone

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is like, no, I don't want somebody else taking all

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these comic lines. So they basically they cut out all

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the comic lines. There's no all. Yeah, they said, when

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they screamed the movie, there was one moment when they

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got a really big laugh, and that was when what's

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your name was killed? Po gets killed and he's like, oh,

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and it's like it's it's the end of Rocky No,

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it's the end of Superman. Like when he when Lois

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is dead, is like no, and he's screaming and it's

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like iking across through the canyons and he said the

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entire audience erupted and laughter, and you don't need to

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have a laugh at that particular moment, like that's coming out. Yeah,

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we got to get rid of that.

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Speaker 2: Hey the way, by the way, just talking about that

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sidekick idea. Okay, so I do want to go to

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the alternate video store. I want to check out the

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movie with Stallone and Travolta. Yeah, I'm not sure he's

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perfect for that that part, but it sounds ridiculous that

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Rambo would have a sidekick who is kind of like

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joke cracking, you know, in the jungle and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: It was funny. Yep.

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Speaker 2: It didn't lessen the action in any way. Nope, it

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in fact, it added realism and.

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Speaker 3: Depth and yeah, it made it more enjoyable, absolutely more enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: And I absolutely trust James Cameron. So it's although it

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sounds ridiculous, I trust Cameron to pull it off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Just another quick story on the Cameron origin of this idea. Yeah,

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they brought him in, you know, still done.

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Speaker 3: Brought him in.

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Speaker 2: He was recommended by David Geiler, the guy who wrote Alien.

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I think, okay, yeah, they brought him in, and Stallone's like,

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what are you thinking about this story? It's like, wow,

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be really cool if he went back to Vietnam and

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looked for po W's.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, great, do it. That's what that's

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his interaction with James James Cameron.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's how it. That's how it kicked off.

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Just one sentence. What do you think about I think

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it'd be cool if he went back and looked.

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Speaker 3: For po W's. Okay, So I found this little nugget today. Actually, Okay,

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So there's a guy still alive. His name is Colonel

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Bo Grits. Okay, Grits, Bo Grits. I love that name.

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And he was born in Enid, Oklahoma, just you know,

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hour and a half north of this right. Uh. He

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was a commander of the B thirty sixth Detachment of

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the fifth Special Forces Group Airborn. He served in Vietnam

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and in the early eighties he undertook a series of

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private missions to locate POWs with other Special Forces members.

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Let's go. He had donors, including Clint Eastwood and Ross

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Perraut to help fund these missions to go try to

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find the POWs. Yep, he was a little controversial. I

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don't want to come off like he is actually John Rambo,

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but it's a very similar kind of storyline. He actually

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got he got convicted in Thailand for illegally importing radio

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equipment and his attempts to do things through laos they

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created a lot of controversy, just like you know, the

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suggestion is would be created had POW's actually been found, right, Yes,

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So he laid would run for president. What he later

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ran for president. He tried to become a member of

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the US Taxpayers Party to be their presidential candidate, which

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I have a storied history with myself as a as

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a young man, and I won't go into that. But

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he didn't get the nomination for them, so he ran

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under the Populist Party and his slogan was God, Guns

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and grits. How do you not want to meet this guy? Right? Oh,

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this guy sounds like Rambo man, right exactly. So I'm

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thinking he had to be an inspiration for Cameron's storyline, right,

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you know at the time of filming this movie, Yeah,

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people forget we were only just we were within ten

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years of Vietnam. There were twenty five hundred Vietnam vets

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that were still missing in action, yeah Pow, Yeah, yeah,

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so we didn't know where they were, could have been prisoners,

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should a chance.

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Speaker 2: Their prisoners let's go get our guys and bring them home.

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I mean that was you know, and Reagan was the

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kind of the guy to do that, you know. Yeah,

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So it's a it's a curious time in our history.

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And of course, on this side of it, Cameron did

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say though he wrote the action, when Stallone took over

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the screenwriting, he added all the politics.

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Speaker 3: Right, So back to that, back to that story. Yeah,

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So Stallone gets Cameron's script, isn't very happy with it,

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so he HiT's up a guy named Kevin Jarry. Do

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you remember talking about Kevin Jarry before, Yeah, Tombstone, right, Yeah,

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00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,160
so Kevin Jarry wrote Tombstone. If you guys go back

465
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,640
and check out our Tombstone versus Young Guns one and

466
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,160
two episode. I love the matchup. But he was a

467
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,319
guy who had he had started writing a script for Dracula, like,

468
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,119
did all this research and said, oh, wen Ona writer,

469
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,960
you should be in my Dracula movie. And she's like, now,

470
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,640
I'm already in this other Dracula movie. And his movie

471
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:50,519
got cut because of Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula. So he's

472
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writing Tombstone, finds out about Kevin Costner, who he wanted

473
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,240
to right. It finds out that Costner is making White

474
00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:00,319
RP doesn't want that to happen again, so he gets

475
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,720
it made as quickly as he can, comes in his director,

476
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:06,559
and after like two weeks they're like, this guy's out.

477
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,319
He's a terrible director. We like the script. And who

478
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,519
do they bring on to replace him as director? You

479
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:16,119
mean other than Kurt Russell? Well, yes, so the under

480
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,480
the covers it was Kurt Russell who was probably calling

481
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,759
all the shots. But the named director for Tombstone is

482
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,640
George Cosmotos, same guy who died Rambo two.

483
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: Tombstone and Rambo connective tissue there.

484
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible. I love it. All right, I've got

485
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,480
something for you real quick. Okay. I found this interesting.

486
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: So the body count was a way of Arnold and

487
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,960
Stallone competing with each other. Uh huhkay, Now before Stallone

488
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,440
realized he was in a competition in First Blood. You

489
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,119
know what the body count is of First Blood? I

490
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:55,640
don't know, Like twenty one one person dies in First Blood?

491
00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:58,519
Speaker 3: Can you think of which guy? Well, I was gonna

492
00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:02,240
say the guy that falls from the helicopter dies, No

493
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:05,039
other guy's nobody else dies. Wow.

494
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,519
Speaker 2: In fact, Brian Denney's character is being taken away in

495
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,920
a hospital or in an ambulance. Yes, he could have died,

496
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,759
but we only know of one. And really you could

497
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,720
say that was an accident. Yeah, he threw a rock

498
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,119
at the helica rock guy and the guy fell he

499
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,319
lost his balance, right, Okay? The kill count in Rambo

500
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,759
part two eighty one, in Rambo five, yeah, seventy five,

501
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:31,279
that's right, and in Commando eighty one, and in Rambo

502
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,799
three one hundred and fifteen, in Terminator two.

503
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,839
Speaker 3: None zero zero because he can't kill people. Remember he

504
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,599
you live.

505
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,559
Speaker 2: He was talking to Cameron, right, Yeah, he was talking

506
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,400
to Cameron and he's like, what do you say, I mean,

507
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,359
nobody dies, I must get this huge body count. And

508
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,720
he's like, no, it's gonna be even cooler. Nobody's You're

509
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:55,960
not gonna kill a single person.

510
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go? All right?

511
00:25:58,279 --> 00:25:59,519
Speaker 2: Do we want to get into Castle. We want to

512
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:00,799
talk about the beginning of Commando.

513
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the beginning of Commando. So we

514
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:05,799
know that this you know, this is a part two, right,

515
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:08,519
it came out in was it April or May of

516
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,319
nine of eighty five October Commando. I'm sorry, Rambo.

517
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: Rambo came out in May of ninety eighty five.

518
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 3: So Rambo comes out in May, so the Commando comes

519
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,039
out in the same year, just later that year, October fourth, Yes,

520
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,519
And so I have to ask a question. I'm like, well,

521
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:28,359
how much influence did Rambo really have on Commando? Because

522
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,720
they had to have started shooting Commando well before Rambo

523
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,880
was released, that's what you would think. But the thing

524
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,599
is is that Hollywood people talk to each other, and

525
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,960
so they knew about all of the stuff that was

526
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,039
going on with Rambo, and so they were like, let's

527
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:48,839
let's up the action, let's up the explosions, let's do

528
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,720
everything that we can, as you say, to dial this

529
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:55,400
up to eleven, right, right, And that's their vision with Commando.

530
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:59,119
You've got to pump it up, and you've got You've

531
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got Joel Silver Joel Silva, Joel silver Go. I don't

532
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,160
even remember which, which which one. We talked the most

533
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,880
about him on LEI the Weapon die Hard. He's I mean,

534
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,680
he is a man of editor, I think action eighties movies, right, Okay,

535
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:20,160
And so, like I said, both of these origin writers

536
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,359
have a history with comic books, and so the writer,

537
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,640
the original writer for Commando is a guy named Jeff Lowe. Yes,

538
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,319
do you remember us talking about him before? Kind of

539
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,519
what it was? Okay, Yeah, So here's his backstory, right yeh,

540
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,480
because when when this movie was released, he had to

541
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,000
his name as far as movies were concerned, teen Wolf

542
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,440
and an episode of The Hitchhiker. But here's here's the

543
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,119
writing history that he did have. He was a major

544
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:50,079
comic book writer. And I realized that this happens later on,

545
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,680
but I mean he he had written for spider Man, Batman, Superman, Hulk,

546
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:58,720
Captain America, Ironman, Daredevil, Supergirl, and the Avengers and I'm

547
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,920
not naming them all. And he was the one that

548
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:07,880
wrote Batman Hush and Batman The Long Halloween. Those are awesome.

549
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,039
I've read those. We talked about Batman The Long Halloween

550
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,039
when we were talking about Matt Reeves. Matt Reeves was

551
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:21,519
a student in Jeff Loeb's screenwriting class. And if you

552
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:24,039
don't know who Matt Reeves is, he's the guy who

553
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:28,440
wrote and directed The Batman. How about that? There you go,

554
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,960
that's fantastic. So this and this is another great connection.

555
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:35,279
So Jeff Loeb is writing this. He the first time

556
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,720
he writes it, his character that he's got in mind

557
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,839
is Sergeant Rock. You remember when we talked about Sergeant Rock.

558
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: Predator Predator, because that's the comic book that Shane Black. Yes,

559
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,920
you can please see him on screen reading the Sergeant

560
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,640
Rock comics.

561
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,519
Speaker 3: Yes. And if you doubt that it was based on

562
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:58,440
Sergeant Rock, Sergeant Rock's full name was Franklin John Rock.

563
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:03,559
John of course is John Matrix, right, and then we

564
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:09,079
have Franklin Kirby as the guy who's calling him back

565
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:12,440
into duty. So he got Franklin and John first names

566
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,640
of Sergeant Rock as the two major characters in the movie. Okay,

567
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,680
that's awesome. Yeah, I love it. Okay, Okay. So he

568
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,960
writes it the first time, and the guy he has

569
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,680
in mind for John Matrix is Gene Simmons. I know,

570
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,559
that's hilarious. Gene Simmons, and you imagine.

571
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's like an Israeli, like a massade soldier, right.

572
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Gene Simmons sees the first script and he's like, no,

573
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,279
I'm not gonna do this, and so he rewrites it.

574
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,039
When he rewrites it, he has Nick Nolty in mind.

575
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,839
Uh huh. And I mean you compare the physique of

576
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,599
Nick Nolty and Arnold Swartzenegger, and it's like, Okay, yeah,

577
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,559
he's a formal special Forces guy, but he's letting himself

578
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,680
get out of shape in big time retirement, right, right,

579
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,160
But still the same idea, you know, out of the

580
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,839
game until his daughter gets kidnapped and he has to

581
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,279
save her.

582
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,559
Speaker 2: That's a little more so it sounds like Liam Neeson,

583
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,279
like the Taken movies, you know, right, And so they

584
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,400
have they ultimately have this script that Jeff Loeb wrote

585
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,079
with Sergeant Rock and Nick Nolty in mind, and ultimately

586
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:20,920
they say, we got to touch this up.

587
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: I think it's got to be Joel Silfer. But you've

588
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,759
got a story on this, right, So I do.

589
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,039
Speaker 2: I got I've got to talk about Stephen Desuza for

590
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:27,559
a second.

591
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,519
Speaker 3: Steven Desusa, who we've talked about so many times.

592
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,599
Speaker 2: Stephen Desusa was one of the writers for die Hard,

593
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,920
and he's the guy who put in the line you

594
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,759
pkamfor and I was partial to Roy Rogers, and yeah,

595
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,039
he's the guy who molded die Hard okay and made

596
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,359
it funny and made it funny and fun right, Yeah,

597
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,480
And he's the one who said they don't need to

598
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,480
be terrorists, they need to be bank robbers that look

599
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:52,279
like terrorists.

600
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: So anyway, Stevensusa, great writer, also says that Diehard is

601
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,559
a Christmas movie, by the way, and he's absolutely right,

602
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:03,119
and and he created by charts to proof such. Okay.

603
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,799
Speaker 2: So the interesting thing, so Stephen Desusa wrote when he

604
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:08,359
was a kid and kind of became known for his writing,

605
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,160
and he gets a job in Hollywood.

606
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: It gives himself three months to make it as a writer.

607
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,559
Speaker 2: Ends up he writes for The Incredible Hulk, the Six

608
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,039
Million Dollar Man, and a TV show called The Renegades, okay,

609
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,799
and so he kind of makes his name in television.

610
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,279
Speaker 3: Okay.

611
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,559
Speaker 2: Well, they bring him on board to help with this

612
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,759
old script on forty eight Hours.

613
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,519
Speaker 3: Ah okay.

614
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: And the script was so old that the old cop

615
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,960
was Robert Mitcham and the young cop was Clint Eastwood.

616
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,599
Speaker 3: That's how old that script was. Okay, Oh, that's great.

617
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: And so Walter Hill is this guy who is going

618
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,519
to be directing in forty eight hours, and they brought

619
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in Stephen Desusa to pump up the humor and kind

620
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,200
of make it fun. Well, they wanted to bring in

621
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:53,599
Eddie Murphy and they needed somebody to help liven the thing.

622
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,880
He's actually the guy who brought in the idea of

623
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:59,319
letting Eddie Murphy's character be the heavy at the honky

624
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:00,000
talk bar.

625
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,559
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I mean.

626
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:04,799
Speaker 2: So the interesting thing is that Joel Silver was the

627
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,279
producer on Forty eight Hours, Walter Hill was the director,

628
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:08,880
and Stephen Desusan was the writer.

629
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

630
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,079
Speaker 2: Well, Walter Hill did not like Stephen and Susan, and

631
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,759
so on their next project, he was emphatic that they

632
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,880
cut him out on another on their next, the very

633
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,880
next project, after forty eight Hours, Oh okay.

634
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: So it's Walter Hill and Joel Silver and they do

635
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,160
Streets of Fire. Okaya.

636
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:30,119
Speaker 2: Streets of Fire is a complete smoking crater, right right?

637
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

638
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: Well, Joel Silver, who had been ignoring Stephen Desusa like

639
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,519
Steven and Susan, is like, I just wrote forty eight Hours,

640
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:37,720
like I should be getting jobs.

641
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:38,039
Speaker 3: Right.

642
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: Well, Walter Hill's trashing him all over town. Okay, yeah,

643
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,400
And so after Streets of Fire is this big bomb,

644
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Joel Silver contacts the Stephen and Susan and says, I'm

645
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,319
sorry I couldn't talk to you. Walter hates you, and

646
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,079
so in order to make it up, I want you

647
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:55,839
to come on board and do it, do a movie

648
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,519
with me. And I think we can talk Arnold Schwarzenegger

649
00:32:58,519 --> 00:32:59,440
into doing it with us.

650
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I've met him.

651
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: He's charming, he's funny, he's energetic, he's he's the type

652
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,920
of guy that would be great for a movie.

653
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,279
Speaker 3: Okay.

654
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: And so what happens is they give him five movie

655
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,119
scripts that are dead right, like five projects that are

656
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,960
you know, we've got these, we've bought them.

657
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: But they're in development. Hell okay.

658
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,359
Speaker 2: And so Steven Desusa takes them and looks at them

659
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,799
and he says, well, look, one that's closest to becoming

660
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:24,519
like a Schwarzenegger type of vehicle is this movie called Commando, right, yeah,

661
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,759
and so, but there's all these problems with it because

662
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,319
originally it was written for Gene Simmons, and.

663
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,559
Speaker 3: So is this is Raeli soldier. He's like, well, that's

664
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:35,559
not gonna work, right, a German accident that's an Israeli soldier.

665
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, And he said, like on page fifty

666
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,759
the wife gets killed and the daughter gets kidnapped. He's like, no,

667
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:43,359
we got to speed that up. And they say, well,

668
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:45,440
we got an appointment with Arnod Schwarzenegger. He's like, why,

669
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:48,119
I haven't even had time to look at this script.

670
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,039
I haven't had time to think about it or mess

671
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:50,279
with it.

672
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,279
Speaker 3: And they're like, well, you figured it out in the

673
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,839
car on the way over. Figure out in the car

674
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,359
on the way over. Oh my gosh. So they go over.

675
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: They go over to Arnold Schwarzenegger's office, they sit down

676
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,519
with him. He's got a picture of his father, this r. Schwarzenegger,

677
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,920
got a picture of his father military military, and he's

678
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,800
got a German shepherd on a leash. He's in his

679
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,119
soldier outfit. German shepherd is lunching at the camera so

680
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,199
much so that it's blurry right, And Steven SiZ says, interesting,

681
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,159
he goes, that's your father. He's like yeah, he goes,

682
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,920
I've got a similar picture of my father, except they're

683
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,760
wearing different uniforms. So that broke the ice, actually, But

684
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,199
Steven and Susan's like, look, here's the idea. We want

685
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,239
to make this fun, exciting, action packed kind of spills

686
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,760
it out for Schwarzenegger, and Swarzenegger's like, I like this, He's.

687
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: Not a robot.

688
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,559
Speaker 2: From the future and he's not a caveman from the past,

689
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,840
but he's a thinking man. Yeah, he's like a father.

690
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,480
And I get a chance to do this, right, So

691
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,920
Stephen Desusan and R. Schwarzenegger hit it off right off

692
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,440
the bat, and he even does the eyelied line right

693
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,920
and Schwarzenegger laughs and they think it's funny.

694
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: And then he's like, let's do this.

695
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,599
Speaker 2: And so Steven goes back to this studio and they're

696
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,039
like what he say and he's like, well, he's going

697
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,400
to do it, and they're like great, get to writing,

698
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,119
and they he turns around to the other guy and

699
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,079
he's like start building sets, like because there's a writer's

700
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,440
strike that's happening and pencils have to be down May fourth,

701
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:14,320
nineteen eighty five.

702
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 3: Do you hear about this?

703
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:16,079
Speaker 2: No?

704
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: This is good. Yeah.

705
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: So they are under the gun, uh huh, and the

706
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,039
Susan's got to get work on fixing the script and

707
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:26,800
literally has to turn in his script by five pm

708
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:27,880
on May fourth.

709
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,159
Speaker 3: They can't write because if you write on a strike,

710
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,760
they'll kick you out of the Writer's Guild and that's

711
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,480
bad now, that's right.

712
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he has to be completely done May fourth,

713
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:36,679
five pm.

714
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: Okay, So he gets to work on it. Thank you.

715
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,400
That was my twelfth my twelfth birthday, okay, October fourth

716
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,960
would have been the day after my tenth birthday. That's

717
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:47,320
right there, you go.

718
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,119
Speaker 2: Okay, So the Susan says, listen, guys. He goes, I

719
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,559
have a computer at my house. This is before computers

720
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,639
at work, right, like they had typewriters. He's like, I've

721
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,079
got a computer. I'll get more work done at my house.

722
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,480
I'm gonna go home and work on this. And they

723
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,239
say great, just got to be in five pm May fourth,

724
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,239
that's it in the story.

725
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,559
Speaker 3: So he's like, okay.

726
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,599
Speaker 2: So he's finishing up, you know, and he they the

727
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,719
studio sends a courier over and it's like.

728
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: Three fifteen on May fourth.

729
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:15,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, okay that and that should do

730
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,320
it right there. Boom, okay, completely done, three fifteen pm

731
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,360
May fourth, he says, right over the hill from the studios,

732
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,480
not very far at all. And he says, so he

733
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,920
goes and he hits print and he said, and then

734
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:37,280
you hear like and he's like, oh my gosh. He

735
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,960
starts to panick. He realizes this old crappy dot matrix printer.

736
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,320
It's never going to get this printed out in time.

737
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,199
Speaker 3: I knew CYD makes printer in nineteen that's right.

738
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:49,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, so he's panicking, right, and so he calls

739
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,360
the the Writers Guild and he's like, listen, I have

740
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,679
to register the script. It's done. I am in the

741
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:58,719
process of printing it off. I'm never gonna make it.

742
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,320
And they're like, well, sorry, you got to have it

743
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,360
in by five PM, no matter what. And he's like, well,

744
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440
get me somebody there that understands computers. And so Steven

745
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,760
Desusa gets a hold of somebody. He's like, okay, you

746
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,079
understand that there's a computer like date and time that

747
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,840
it cannot be altered in any way, and that way

748
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,719
you can see I'm finished. So it's the first script

749
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,920
that's ever submitted by a computer time and date stamp.

750
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,920
He saves it to a floppy hands it to the

751
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,760
courier on a floppy floppy discs yes, and then that

752
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,960
was May fourth, nineteen eighty five. Is the first script

753
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,000
ever submitted with a computer date stamp on.

754
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,119
Speaker 3: It, right, first one probably submitted by floppy disk instead

755
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:45,599
of on paper. That's fantastic. There you go. Side note. Yes,

756
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:49,760
there was a writing partnership in between Jeff Loeb and

757
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,400
Stephen Etisuza. Okay, a couple of guys named Larry Gross

758
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,000
and Richard Tuggle and I only mention their names because

759
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,239
they don't even receive writing credit on this, but they

760
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,239
they did try to rewrite Jeff Flop's script. It's interesting

761
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,079
because Larry Gross was the original writer for forty eight Hours. Oh, okay,

762
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:11,039
and Richard tuggall wrote Alcatraz, which of course had Clint

763
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,719
Eastwood in it. Yeah, but he also wrote Out of Bounds,

764
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,760
which throw back to our weird science episode just a

765
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,840
few weeks ago. That was the movie that Anthony Michael

766
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,119
Hall decided to do instead of Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

767
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,039
That's it. That terminated terminated his relationship with John Hughes.

768
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: I did a whole episode on that movie with Jeff

769
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,760
Johnson on the Film by podcast on their Patreon.

770
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: On which movie out of Bounds? Nice, I've done that. Yeah,

771
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,840
that's awesome. So, by the way, just one quick thing.

772
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Steven Desusa submits that floppy disc May fourth,

773
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,360
nineteen eighty five. Yeah, the movie comes out in theaters

774
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:50,280
October fourth, nineteen eighty five.

775
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be five months to the day. That

776
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,480
is a super tight window r. Yeah.

777
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: In fact, it's so tight that one of the sets,

778
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,400
you know, the beginning, where Bill Duke and the other

779
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,840
guy are driving the garbage truck and they assassinate the

780
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,639
guy in his driveway.

781
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Stephen Desus's house. Nice. That's awesome. There you go.

782
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,559
Speaker 2: Okay, before we talk about the cast, I have one

783
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,320
little thing I wanted to tell you. Okay, yeah, just

784
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,199
keep this in mind.

785
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:14,559
Speaker 3: Okay.

786
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,159
Speaker 2: The top four grossing movies in nineteen eighty five.

787
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:25,159
Speaker 3: Back to the Future, Yes, number one, Rambo, number two, Commando.

788
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: Commando is number twenty four.

789
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,119
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, wow, Rambo scored that much higher than Commando

790
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,440
on the box office. Yeah yeah, okay, So what are

791
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:37,960
three and four?

792
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: Three is Beverly Hills cop Oh, of course it's covered. Yeah,

793
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,119
four is Rocky four. So you got two stallone movies

794
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,119
in the top four.

795
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,679
Speaker 3: How did I forget that? Oh my gosh. This is

796
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,599
why I still say nineteen eighty five is the best

797
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,239
year of the eighties. By the way, but you know

798
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,320
that's an entirely different discussion. I was not an option

799
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,840
whenever you guys did your best year of the eighties.

800
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,519
Speaker 2: I still think we ought to do the sequel to that, and.

801
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 3: I will I will advocate for nineteen eighty five all

802
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,519
day long. Okay, very good, very good. All right, So

803
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,320
let's talk about this the cast for Rambo. Okay, okay, yep.

804
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: Now, before we get to the major characters, I just

805
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,559
want to say, in order to find Vietnamese soldiers to

806
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,239
get killed, right.

807
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,079
Speaker 3: So this they're filmed in Acapoco, filmed in Apol. They

808
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,440
were at Tai They were in Thailand initially, but they're

809
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,360
like this sucks. This is the real jumper. They want

810
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000
to be here, right. They've got some jungle in Acapoco

811
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:35,800
and that's a much nicer place to stay.

812
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,079
Speaker 2: They said there were thirty minutes from the beach resorts.

813
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:45,039
Yeah right, yeah, So they went to Acapolco located Chinese

814
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,639
restaurants to grab guys.

815
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: Late. Wait, they went to Chinese food restaurants in Mexico

816
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:58,960
to find the Asians to be killed by Rambo. Oh

817
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,199
my word, I mean, where are you?

818
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Where else are you gonna find Chinese guys in Mexico?

819
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hard to argue with, right, Nobody else working

820
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,559
in Chinese Foos restaurants in Mexico in nineteen eighty five.

821
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,679
Speaker 2: Hand of Guarden's let's go see what's happening in here?

822
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,599
Speaker 3: Oh my god, let's go over the Happy Walk next.

823
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: All right, So obviously you have Sylvester Stallone playing John J.

824
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: Rambo the War. Everything that happened here may be wrong, damn.

825
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,159
I don't hate your country for it.

826
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: At this moment, he had been in Rocky He had

827
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,960
been in a Rocky two, Rocky three. Yeah, he had

828
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
been in a movie called Nighthawks, which I don't think

829
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:45,880
you've seen that one either.

830
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: I haven't. No, I like that one. Okay. It's kind

831
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,119
of a cop movie.

832
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,119
Speaker 2: Rutger Hower is the bad guy and his partner is

833
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:52,960
Billy d Williams.

834
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: Oh cool. Yeah. All right. So you've got two returning

835
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,519
characters in Rambo from First Blood. Yes, You've obviously got

836
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,760
Stallone yep. And then you've got Richard Krinna, who's Colonel Troutman.

837
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:08,199
One more thing, what you choose to call hell he

838
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,719
goes home. Yes, that's right. Okay. Now, before we get

839
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,920
into casting for Rambo, I just have to say, did

840
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,760
you know that Kirk Douglas throw back to Black Bart whatever.

841
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:26,679
He was originally cast as Troutman in First Blood. Kirk Douglas,

842
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,599
Kirk Douglas, Richard Douglas. So the day before they're supposed

843
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:36,360
to start shooting, Kirk Douglas comes to stallone and Ted Katchef,

844
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,480
the director of First Blood, and is like, Okay, I

845
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:42,360
want this to be the end of the Okay, I

846
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,079
want this to be the end of the movie. Right.

847
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:52,599
He's like, I kill you and they're like okay. He's like,

848
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,400
so imagine this. You see the cop car driving off

849
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,159
into the fog, and then you see this hand reaching

850
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,400
up for the rearview mirror and the camera pans up

851
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,760
and it's me and I'm wearing your headband. This is

852
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:15,119
the way. Yeah, thank you, mister Douglas. Get him out

853
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,320
of here. So, oh my god, Richard Karna had to

854
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,880
be fed his lines for the first few days of

855
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,760
shooting because they were like, we cannot we can't do this.

856
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,280
That's awesome. There you go, what a great story. Yeah.

857
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: I got a little tidbit on Richard Crennan as well. Okay, yea,

858
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,280
Richard Krenna. So he's kind of an older man, I mean,

859
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,239
you know, sixties probably in first one. He is credited

860
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:40,519
as starting a trend in Hollywood of hiring older actors

861
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:42,719
to play teenagers.

862
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: Okay, he was he the one hiring or was he

863
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:48,199
the one hired? He was the one hired in nineteen

864
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,239
fifty two. He was in a movie call. He was

865
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,679
already old in nineteen fifty ten.

866
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: He was twenty five in nineteen fifty two, and he

867
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,960
was playing a teenager in the movie.

868
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,639
Speaker 3: Are miss Brooks? Okay, I've heard and.

869
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: Now that is standard procedure to hire twenty somethings to

870
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,480
play teens.

871
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: He was the first one. Interesting, all right, Krenna. I

872
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,320
wonder what Richard Krenna looked like at twenty five? Not

873
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,599
much different than sixty five, I'm guessing it. By the way.

874
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: He had been in Summer Rental with John Kindy, Okay,

875
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,239
and The Flamingo Kid with Matt Dillon, which we've.

876
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: Talked both about them.

877
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the first PG thirteen movies.

878
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: Of all time.

879
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, all right, let's talk about Charles Napier

880
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,840
for a second. Okay, we kind of flew by Sylvester Slowan,

881
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,679
the greatest, one of the greatest action stars.

882
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't know about him already. This

883
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,400
is the podcast to find out. We'll do Rocky Do

884
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,199
Rocky one of these days. Yeah, tune into our Rocky

885
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,559
episode right, yeah, in the future. That's right.

886
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,079
Speaker 2: So Charles Napier, he's the guy who plays Murdoch Pambo.

887
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,199
Speaker 3: You can feel totally safe because we have the most

888
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,559
advanced weapons in the world available to us. I've always

889
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,960
believe that the mind is the best weapon. Times change.

890
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:06,480
Some people coming for you, Murdoch. Yeah. I immediately recognized

891
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,480
him from the Blues Brothers. Yes, gonna be hard to

892
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,320
eat corn tob without any d see.

893
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: I recognize him immediately from silence of the lamps. Oh yeah,

894
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,360
he's the guy Hannibal Lecter gets his cuffs off, cuffs

895
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,079
him to the jail cell, maces him, and then bites

896
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:25,639
his face off.

897
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gruesome. Yeah, okay.

898
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: So Charles Napier, Yeah, good actor. Do you know that

899
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,719
when he came in to read for the part, he

900
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,760
saw Stallone in the hallway as he's walking. It's like

901
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,119
kind of those one of those little hey, what's up, Hey,

902
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,840
how you doing?

903
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,639
Speaker 3: He's like here to read for the part.

904
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,199
Speaker 2: Still, it's like sounds good, And when he walked into

905
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,519
the casting directors. He's like, I just messed alone in

906
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,519
the hallway. I think I got the part. Yeah, so yeah,

907
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,360
pretty cool. Yeah, all right, Steven Berkhoff.

908
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: You l he's low shape.

909
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,559
Speaker 2: He had a terrific run of playing baddies right at

910
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:07,719
this little pocket of time in the nineteen eighties.

911
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and if you don't know who that is,

912
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,960
he's the bad guy on Beverly Hills Cop. He plays

913
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:17,800
Victorm Maitland, the bad guy in Beverly Hills Coppie Simple twelve.

914
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:21,880
Maybe you should tell him yourself. I think that would

915
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,920
be bad. Why don't you go back to Detroit crawling

916
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,800
to that little rock? But it wasn't just I mean.

917
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: So he's popular in Beverly Hills Cop because it was

918
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,800
such a big movie. But he had also he was

919
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,800
the bad guy in Octopusy the year before. Okay, so

920
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,840
you got Octopusy, then you got Beverly Hills Cop. He's

921
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,639
the bad guy in Rambo. He's actually the only bad

922
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:45,199
guy who speaks any English words in this entire movie.

923
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: Yep, okay.

924
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,079
Speaker 2: And in nineteen eighty six, he plays the bad guy

925
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:49,480
in Princes under the Cherry Moon.

926
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:50,199
Speaker 3: I kid, you not.

927
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:53,599
Speaker 2: And it's basically the same character.

928
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: So you know that he wasn't the guy that was

929
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,679
originally cast for this part, right, Oh tell me you

930
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:06,039
know this? Oh my gosh. What So the person originally

931
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:15,400
cast to play the part of Lieutenant Podofski is Dolph Lungren. What? Yes? Now,

932
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,360
what happens is Sylvester Stallone finds out because he's not

933
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,960
casting you know, he's involved in the movie heavily, but

934
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,480
he's not making every single decision. They cast Dolph Lungren

935
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,320
And he finds out and he's already cast him as

936
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,239
Drago in Rocky four, and he's like, nope, no way,

937
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,159
I am not losing him. You know, we're not going

938
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,320
to have this double thing going for Rambo and Rocky four.

939
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,719
And thank goodness because that would have been horrible. Yeah,

940
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,239
that was that was better to hold him and be Drago.

941
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,440
But he was like, pay off his contract. He cannot

942
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,079
be in both of these movies. That's incredible. What a

943
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,559
great story there. Yes, I did not know that. Okay, cool,

944
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,360
all right, so quick quick side note. I just have

945
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,519
to say this, so obviously the Soviets are more heavily

946
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:06,679
involved in this than the Vietnamese. It was nineteen the

947
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,679
nineteen eighties, right, sure, we got to make the Soviets

948
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,000
the bad guys, right right, Well, this movie got released

949
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,559
in the Soviet Union. Do you know this? Yes, tell

950
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:16,880
me this story. So they it gets released in the

951
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Soviet Union, but they change it to where it's supposed

952
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,559
to be taking place in nineteen forty three, and so

953
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,760
Rocky is not fighting the Soviets, He's fighting the Nazis.

954
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,440
And the Asians are not the Vietnamese, they're the Japanese

955
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,440
and the POWs are World War two vets, and that's

956
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,119
who he's going to rescue. That's fantastic. I gotta wonder.

957
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,480
I mean, just with all of the computers and stuff.

958
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,360
I wish I had known that when I saw the

959
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,639
movie the first time, because I've been like, could you

960
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,760
really believe this as nineteen forty three exploding arrow tips, re.

961
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,639
Speaker 2: Linatures and helicopters.

962
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

963
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know so, and this was an international hit.

964
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,320
It was a hit in Southeast Asia. You said it's

965
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,840
the number two grossing movie of the year.

966
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. Yeah.

967
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,159
Speaker 2: Can we talk about Julia Nixon for a second.

968
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,639
Speaker 3: Not expendable smoke show dude.

969
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: When she was playing the jungle soldier, I was like, Wow,

970
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,519
that's a that's an attractive woman. And then when she

971
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:26,199
turns into the her hooker up. Hello, how don't she

972
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,280
grow her hair out like that? Have you seen her

973
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,719
in any other movie? I don't recognize her for maybe

974
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,159
how do we not get more of her?

975
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,199
Speaker 3: I think she did some TV stuff. I think she

976
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,679
did quite a bit of TV stuff. But yeah, well,

977
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,400
I mean it was a fine acting performance.

978
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: What what be your lucky tom Wembo?

979
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: You take me with you? You take me to State's weambo?

980
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,880
Oh my gosh, Yeah, it was pretty bad.

981
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: By the way, when I saw her interview, Yeah, and

982
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,639
she speaks perfect English.

983
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: Of course she's not She's not Asian Hawaiians Hawaiian, Oh

984
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,960
my gosh, my goodness. Yeah. Anyway, Okay, you know that

985
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,480
who she married? I tell you this this week. Do

986
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,679
you remember? Don't remember?

987
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So she married a guy named David Soul who

988
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,800
had one massive, one hit wonder song.

989
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, let me play the song for you. See

990
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,599
if you know this one? Okay, don't give up a spabe,

991
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:41,320
no sweet, come this fun? Can't we stay away the Angel?

992
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:45,079
Speaker 2: And don't give up on his baby big hit in

993
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:45,480
the seven.

994
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: He's probably before your time. Yeah, David Soul is his name. Okay.

995
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: He played the main guy in the sale Lot TV series,

996
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,000
which we talked about a.

997
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,199
Speaker 3: Long time ago. Halloween episode.

998
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,639
Speaker 2: Halloween episode, and he was Hutch in Starsky And that's right.

999
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,679
Speaker 3: So she married Hutch that's right, I remember that in

1000
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:08,880
part now, Okay, good, okay, one hit wonder all right.

1001
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:11,519
Speaker 2: Then you've got Martin Cove, who we talked about in

1002
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:12,920
our Karate Kid episode.

1003
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:17,159
Speaker 3: He is Crease is Cree Kid and Cobra Kai and

1004
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,079
Kari Kid too.

1005
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,079
Speaker 2: He's kind of the nice version of the same character.

1006
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: In this Yeah well yeah, I mean he's not even

1007
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,920
that nice. A whole lot. He's pretty much the same guy. Yeah,

1008
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,320
it's a dirty you know. He's leaving rocket there he

1009
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,079
is right there. Nope, we gotta leave. Sorry, Sorry, I

1010
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,960
told you just to take pictures. How hard is it?

1011
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,760
Oh my god, there's three people in the world to

1012
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,519
qualify for this mission. Go take pictures? Are we? Are

1013
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:47,440
we the things that are yet? Okay?

1014
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,119
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, And that's pretty much it for the

1015
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:58,239
Castle Rambo. Everybody else is a guy who is eating negrols.

1016
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: And they do not say that it's true. Or torturing somebody,

1017
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,519
some Soviet soldier torturing and then flying in helicopter. Yeah,

1018
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:17,119
gets killed by a surprise rocket attack. Right right? All right?

1019
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,800
Is it time switched to Commando? Well, we gotta take

1020
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,760
a break here. You guys will have to come back

1021
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,880
for part two of this episode, where we're comparing Rambo

1022
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:30,880
and Commando. We're going to talk casting for Commando. We're

1023
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,480
going to talk tidbits, we're going to talk about music,

1024
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,480
and then we're going to give our final judgment on

1025
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,360
which of these two movies is the best action movie

1026
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:46,199
of nineteen eighty five. Come back next week, do you guys?

1027
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:48,199
Can I switch