WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:03.960 All right, let's get it. It is drive time on 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:06.719 a Tuesday afternoon. It's about ten minutes fast the hour 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:09.800 of two o'clock. It's cold today, does not feel like me. 4 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:13.199 It is rainy and cloudy and chilly. It's about fifty 5 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.399 degrees here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. As we're 6 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.760 gonna have a couple of days of chilly weather and yeah, 7 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:23.079 very I don't know, early April, late March type day, 8 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:26.879 in late March type week, but as it is every 9 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:28.440 single day, it's gonna have you along. 10 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:28.519 For the ride. 11 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.039 Spence check, it's beyond the Mike Porter Larsen behind the glass. 12 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.560 We have a lot to do on today's show, a 13 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.280 lot to do on today's show. Last night, quite frankly, 14 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:43.159 one of the most consequential nights in pro basketball that 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.000 we've seen in a long long time. 16 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:47.640 And only time will tell how this is going to 17 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:48.119 play out. 18 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:52.439 So of course, the big story locally of the day 19 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:57.320 today and the night last night was the Utah has 20 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:04.519 falling to number five in the draft lottery. Now, as 21 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:06.200 I was sitting there and we'll get in all this, 22 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:08.560 we got opening tip. We've got a bunch of great 23 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.799 guest today including a couple of guests that were live 24 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.640 in Chicago in the room where it happened. Shout out 25 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:20.000 Hamilton on a Tuesday. It's not rigged. Okay, it's just not. 26 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.200 It's not. It sucks, but it's not rigged. So we'll 27 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.040 get into it. But I think the last thing I 28 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:31.040 said before we signed off last night, right before five 29 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.719 o'clock so we could bring you the lottery live was 30 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.959 worst case scenario is simply the Jazz Fond of five 31 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:41.840 because I think most people believe it's a tier four 32 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:43.640 player draft at the top. 33 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:44.959 One tier with four players. 34 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:46.599 Now we're going to get into why that could be 35 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.840 total nonsense, and we're going to try to bring some 36 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.719 levity in, some calmness, and some optimism to the market 37 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.079 today after a night that felt like a gut punch, 38 00:01:57.120 --> 00:01:59.879 there's no other way around it. I guess Ryan Smith 39 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.920 on a run and let out a primal scream as 40 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:04.920 the sun was rising over the Wassas Mountain. 41 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:05.920 Did you do that too, point. 42 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:07.959 Yeah, I just wanted to step in there and let 43 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:08.199 you know. 44 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:10.319 So you went on a run this morning and as 45 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.360 the sun was rising over the mountains, you also. 46 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:14.960 Let out a primal roar every morning though. 47 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.120 That's the difference between Ryan and I. 48 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:21.319 Okay, so Porter does that every day, but apparently Ryan 49 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:22.199 letting out some seam. 50 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.199 Look, we'll get into it. We'll talk about some players 51 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:26.280 the Jazz could look at. 52 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.360 We'll talk about what this could mean for the NBA 53 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.000 big picture. So if you're Adam Silver, you're actually pretty 54 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.159 pleased with how this went down, because everybody is talking 55 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.319 about your league today. So we'll get into it, and 56 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.800 then of course we will talk about and look, I'm 57 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:45.960 a Knicks fan. That was probably the biggest win that 58 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:48.479 the New York Knicks have had in twenty five years. 59 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.800 Mike Breen set it himself on the broadcast, but I 60 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:53.479 got a say, man, I love Jason Tatum. 61 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.120 I don't care who he plays for, and that sucks. 62 00:02:56.599 --> 00:03:01.319 We're waiting word on what the MRI will reveal, and 63 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.560 I'm not one of those guys that pretends on a 64 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.520 doctor on air, so I'm not even gonna go there. 65 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:08.319 I think we all know what it looked like, and 66 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.400 the fear is out there that this could be pretty catastrophic. 67 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:14.159 So we'll get to it. We'll talk about some of 68 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.879 the games that went down last night. We'll talk about 69 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:19.360 what could go down tonight. 70 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:20.680 We'll preview tonight's action. 71 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.080 Anthony Edwards really woke up in the second half and 72 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:25.840 the Warriors looked like they're cooked. 73 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:27.240 There is a. 74 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.159 Word out of Golden State that they're going to try 75 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.960 to get Steph back for Game five in Minneapolis. 76 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.000 To hope, hopefully get back excuse me, hopefully. 77 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.520 Get that back down to Golden State to give them 78 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.240 a chance. But thirteen teams in the history of pro 79 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.000 basketball have come back from a three to one. 80 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.800 Deficit, so it looks like Golden State's cooked. I'm not 81 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:46.439 ready to say the nixt A're gonna win the series. 82 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.840 I'll tell you why a little bit later on, and 83 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:50.439 tonight we'll see if the Calves can. 84 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:51.120 Get back into it. 85 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.439 Donovan Mitchell is a game time decision. The Pacers are 86 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.039 going to try to put away the Calves a Rocket 87 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.400 Arena in Cleveland, Ohio, and then what should be a knockdown, 88 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.360 draft out heavyweight NBA matchup. The Denver Nuggets are in 89 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:06.319 Oklahoma City at Pecon to take on the OKAC Thunder. 90 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:09.919 So we'll get to some of some of the NBA storylines, 91 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.360 and yeah, of course we'll talk some draft. 92 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.080 We'll talk some big picture of jazz and. 93 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.800 What could uh you know, what it could mean, and 94 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.439 we'll we'll talk about, you know, basically, what the mocks 95 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.480 look like and what most people believe the jazz is 96 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.759 going to do at number five. So a lot to 97 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:29.199 do on a chaotic Tuesday afternoon edition of the program. 98 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:30.319 Our first guest. 99 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:31.680 Right out of the gates is going to be Andy Larson, 100 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:32.839 who covers the Utah Jazz for. 101 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:33.759 The Salt Lake Tribune. 102 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.120 Andy was in the Sacred Walls in Chicago where the 103 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:39.680 NBA Draft lottery was held. 104 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:41.680 So we'll see what Andy. 105 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:45.480 Has to say about all these accusations about script writing 106 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.160 in the NBA. How dare you NBA basketball? We'll get 107 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.560 Andy's take, and then Tim McMahon stops by. Of course, 108 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.720 Tim covers the jazz well. He covers the jazz. Sometimes 109 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:58.839 hasn't covered the jaz as much as of late, but 110 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:02.079 ver there's the Mavericks decent data. Talk to him about 111 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:04.240 the Mavericks who won the NBA draft lottery depot a 112 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.399 one point eight percent chance of doing so. Richard Smith 113 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.800 will be live in studio for an entire hour. Smitty 114 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:12.720 spent forty years with Utah Jazz and a lot of 115 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:16.480 draft processes, a lot of player acquisition, talent evaluation. 116 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:17.759 So we'll bring in Smitty today. 117 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.480 Then our buddy A Lemeteo, who I interview a couple 118 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:22.360 of times a year when the All polycamp is going on. 119 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.399 So we have some college football for you guys later on. 120 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:26.199 As well. 121 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.839 Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson are now Hall of 122 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:30.639 Fame eligible. There's a piece of news I was not 123 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.199 expecting today, as Major League Baseball's lifted the band. 124 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:35.600 Of course, both those gentlemen are no longer with us. 125 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:36.319 Rest in peace. 126 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.759 So Andy Larson, Tim McMahon, Richard Smith, A lemitel Me 127 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.639 Spence check at all of you, the great listeners, and 128 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.720 that guy Porter Larson who every morning goes on a 129 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:48.040 run and as the sun is rising over the Wassatch Mountains, 130 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.399 let's out I primal scream. Tell me, young man, how 131 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.839 did you digest the NBA Draft lottery last night? 132 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.399 I don't know that I'm up at sunset or sun 133 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.439 rise enough to do that, but yeah, man, it's it's 134 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.800 It's gotta be a gut punch if you're a jazz fan. Uh, 135 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.920 just a visceral reaction online. I was I was walking home. 136 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.800 We had just hung up and I stopped at I 137 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:14.279 sick frets that the little deli. 138 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:15.639 It's awesome. 139 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.079 I grabbed a little sandwich and actually it took it 140 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.480 took a minute. So I ended up watching the beginning 141 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:23.560 of the lottery at the deli, thinking I'd get home 142 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.399 in time for the the Jazz pick. Well it didn't 143 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.600 take long, and I just thought to myself, Man, that 144 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.399 has got to be a real gut punch if you're 145 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:38.759 a fan who is kind of hinged, your expectations, your timeline, 146 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:43.800 everything about this rebuild process onto having a top pick 147 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.639 in this year's NBA draft, and listen, man, that's that's 148 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.240 always wishful thinking. But it really seemed like Jazz fans 149 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:54.439 were getting awfully, awfully familiar with one Cooper flag, and 150 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.040 to not only drop, but to drop to number five 151 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.040 the worst possible scenario for the Jazz. That that's a 152 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.279 that's a tough pill to swallow. It's it's kind of 153 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.639 ironic because markets like this one, we have been kind 154 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:13.040 of lobbying for lowered, flattened lottery odds right for years 155 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.360 and years and years, and now you know, we're where 156 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.240 we see them and they don't give us the results 157 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:18.800 that we want. 158 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.759 And the script is completely flipped. 159 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.160 So it's interesting to see, like you I you know, 160 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.160 I'm a I'm a guy. 161 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.160 I'm open to conspiracies. Let's be clear. 162 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.399 I'm open to them, but I need in order to 163 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:35.079 in order for a conspiracy, I needed to have just 164 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.519 a little bit of lakes. I need some little bit 165 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.079 of like actual evidence, and then we can go with it. 166 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.240 This is ping pong balls that don't some some that 167 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.959 sometimes don't go your way. And man, they did not 168 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:47.639 last night. 169 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:48.600 No they didn't. 170 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.879 So we'll get into it. We'll talk to our guests 171 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:52.879 about it. We got three really good NBA guests on 172 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.120 the show today. Then we'll do some college football later on. 173 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.879 Andy Larson will join us right out of the gates, 174 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:00.439 but on a Tuesday prior to Andy hopping by courtesy 175 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.480 of our friends at Prize Picks, It is time now 176 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:03.319 for your opening tip. 177 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:06.279 Welcome to the Drive with Spence check its on Utah's 178 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:09.720 number one Sports talk now into the studios of ESPN 179 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.319 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 180 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.439 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 181 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:18.759 Prize Picks. Use the code ESPN seven hundred and run 182 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.560 your game with Prize Picks. 183 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.279 Cash in on the Basketball playoffs with Prize Picks, don't 184 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.399 miss your last chance. You have your favorite players from 185 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.199 the court to your Prize Picks lineup, whether it's points, rebounds, 186 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.800 or assists. Take your pick of more or less for 187 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:32.879 your shot to one up to two thousand times your cash. 188 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.840 Today you can turn those playoff thought takes and the 189 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.120 tickets to Basketball's Championship series starting with. 190 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:38.759 The playing around. 191 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:41.200 Every lineup you make on Prize Picks will enter you 192 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:43.399 into the Take two ticket sweepstakes, which could get to 193 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.000 you and a plus one a VIP trip to the ship. 194 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:47.240 So here's what you do. 195 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.879 You download that Prize Picks out today, use that promo 196 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:53.440 code ESPN seven hundred at checkout. They're going to give 197 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.159 you fifty bucks when you place your first five dollars lineup. 198 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:59.039 You do not even have to win the bet to 199 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.039 get to fifty. It is on the house tonight. I 200 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.960 am going more on Aaron Gordon one point five three 201 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.960 point shots made. I'm going less on Miles Turner twenty 202 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:11.600 four points. I'm gonna go more on Shay Gillis Alexander 203 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.440 thirty one points. I think Guesga goes off tonight and 204 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:16.759 I'll take you know what, give me more on Nikola 205 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.720 Joks twenty eight point five points as well. 206 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:19.639 That kind of feels low. 207 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.840 I think the two MVP candidates are gonna go out 208 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.399 of tonight and it should be a fun game between 209 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:27.840 Oklahoma City and the Denver Nuggets. 210 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.360 All right, last night, say good night. 211 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:33.120 A little bit early because we were fortunate enough to 212 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.840 have the NBA Draft Lottery on our radio station just 213 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:40.039 after five o'clock, So sign off air, grab the dog, 214 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:43.399 we rush home, and I'm able to sit down just 215 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.720 in time to watch Mark Tatum walk to the podium 216 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.440 to kind of break the news to NBA fans about 217 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.919 how this NBA Draft lottery went down. So, the Utah 218 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.879 Jazz with a fourteen percent chance of getting the number 219 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.360 one overall pick, along with the Washington Wizards and the 220 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.399 Charlotte Hornets, the three worst team in Pro basketball this year, 221 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.759 and ultimately the most likely scenario for the Jazz was 222 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.279 to land at five according to the numbers. According to 223 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:10.519 the percentages, the Jazz had about a forty eight point 224 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.320 seven percent chance of getting the number five overall pick. 225 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.919 So the reality of the entire situation is what happened 226 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:20.399 last night was the most likely scenario for the Jazz. Okay, 227 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.759 So I don't really have patience today for jazz fans 228 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.000 to scream foul and scream this is rigged and scream 229 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:31.240 this is scripted. While I understand the frustration and honestly 230 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.159 share some of that frustration that in fifty one years 231 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:38.360 of existence, the Utah Jazz have quite literally never received 232 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:42.200 any lottery luck. Right, the Jazz have moved up, They've 233 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:45.039 had opportunities to move up, and as Canter comes to mind, 234 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.919 Darren Williams comes to mind, But the Jazz are now 235 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:49.720 one of five I think it's five or six NBA 236 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:52.159 franchises that have never had the number one overall pick. 237 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.240 But the ultimate explanation here the bottom line. Okay, So 238 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.759 what we're going to do today to explain this is 239 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.360 simply go back to the the Okham razor theory, which is, 240 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.799 among competing hypotheses, the simplest one is generally the best. 241 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.240 If you have two competing ideas to explain the same phenomenon, 242 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.720 you should prefer the simpler one. And the simpler one 243 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:15.679 is the one that's real, whether you like it or not, 244 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.840 and that is it is a lottery. It is a raffle, 245 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.639 and it is completely up to chance, and that's all 246 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.919 it is. The NBA lottery system is not rigged. It's 247 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.320 not okay? Now, does that mean that there are not 248 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.799 a few dynamics that have occurred throughout the NBA lottery 249 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:34.440 that aren't a bit uncomfortable and even a bit okay, 250 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:37.159 Like there's something that doesn't smell right here. 251 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:38.720 I'm not denying that at all. 252 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.519 And the fact that the Dallas Mavericks moved off of 253 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:47.240 Lukadancic and are simply just getting the next superstar in 254 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:51.919 their back pocket without ever really even making the attempt 255 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.159 to be in the right spot to do that, I 256 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.200 understand why that doesn't land well, certainly with Jazz fans 257 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.919 or Wizard fans or Hornets fans. The three teams are 258 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.720 the best chance of moving up to grab number one overall. 259 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.879 I get that, Okay. There have been things that have 260 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:09.159 happened in the past, with the Pelicans getting the number 261 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.720 one overall pick after Chris Paul left, the Cavs getting 262 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.000 the number one overall pick after Lebron left, Okay, I 263 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.120 get all that right, and I'm not even saying it's wrong, 264 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.960 and I'm not even saying I entirely disagree. There's something 265 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:22.440 about some of these scenarios that are a little bit uncomfortable. 266 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:25.840 But the bottom line is we just live in a 267 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.639 society right now that when something doesn't go your way, 268 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.159 you either claim that it's rigged or people are cheating, 269 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:38.039 or it was taken from you. Okay, whether it is elections, 270 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.879 whether it's lack of trust in our institutions, If it 271 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.600 doesn't go your way, suddenly the fix is in. 272 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.639 Suddenly it's rigged. It is a lottery, and the. 273 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.399 Jazz had a fourteen percent chance of getting the number 274 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.480 one overall pick. Let's be real, that's not a great percentage. 275 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.120 Because what Adam Silver decided to do, love it or 276 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.639 hate it, And this is what I tend to have 277 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:02.600 a little bit of an issue of the way the 278 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:07.000 league has handled this. In twenty nineteen, Adam Silver in 279 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.840 the league office decided to flatten the lottery odds. Okay, 280 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.879 so now we have six different data points and examples 281 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.159 of how this stuff goes down. And you know how 282 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:19.559 many times the worst team in pro basketball has received 283 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.919 number one overall pick since the odds have been flattened, 284 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:24.960 The answer is zero. 285 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.840 Not one time. Last year the. 286 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.559 Hawks three point three percent chance of getting number one 287 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.919 they did. Where were you last year crying a foul 288 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:36.879 because it was Atlanta and it was Zachary Reschache, Like, 289 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.039 it doesn't change the dynamic. 290 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.399 That it's a lottery. Have you ever played the lottery? 291 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.240 Drive across the border to Idaho or whatever, you drop 292 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.399 one hundred bucks on some tickets and you lose. Do 293 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.480 you claim it's rigged or do you understand the risk 294 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.600 that you're taking? I mean, the reaction today is kind 295 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:55.039 of like you hear all those office pools where a 296 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.000 bunch of people in the same office chip in a 297 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.279 couple hundred bucks to buy a bunch of lottery tickets, 298 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.799 and it's like, you know, let's say you and a 299 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.639 group of I don't know, we'll use fourteen. You and 300 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.600 a group of fourteen people decide you're all going to 301 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.360 play the lottery. Okay, So you drive up to Idaho, 302 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.519 Wyoming wherever it's legal closest, and all of you drop 303 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.759 a couple hundred bucks on lottery tickets. 304 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.679 And your richest friend is the one who wins the lottery? 305 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.240 Is it rigged or did the right numbers just pop 306 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:31.440 up randomly because that's the way lotteries work, Like we 307 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.200 will ackham raiser this thing today. The simplest explanation is 308 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:38.279 usually the right one. And the bottom line is the 309 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:40.799 wrong ping pong balls popped up for the Jazz last 310 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:42.840 night and the right ping pong balls. 311 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:46.679 Popped up for the Dallas Mavericks. Is that uncomfortable? Yeah? 312 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.879 For sure? Does it suck? It does? 313 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.080 And I was pulling for the Jazz to grab at 314 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.240 least number two, if not number one overall, to get 315 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:57.960 Cooper Flagger, Dylan Harper and jump start this thing because 316 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.960 if we're honest, it's been three years of mediocrity at 317 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.799 best and pathetic play at times at worse, and it 318 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.799 makes it really hard to be engaged to give a 319 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:10.639 rip about what they're doing. But the message Adam Silver 320 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.440 sent the league lover Hated is we don't want you 321 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.600 to tank. We know what tanking does to fan bases, 322 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.440 we know what tanking does to communities, we know what 323 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.120 tanking does to players and coaches. 324 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:22.480 We don't want you to do that. 325 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.399 So we're not gonna do what the NFL does and 326 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.039 simply reverse it inverse standings to reward the worst team. 327 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.600 We're not going to do that, because we want you 328 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.679 to make the best effort possible, put your best foot 329 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.440 forward to try to build the best team you can. 330 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.759 It's also why they implemented the second apron and a 331 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:44.440 more punitive salary tax penalty for big spenders, so you 332 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.360 can't keep super teams together. Like we'll get to the 333 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:49.159 Tatum stuff in a moment, but the fact of the 334 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.480 matter is the Boston Celtics were probably going to be 335 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:55.159 torn down this offseason in a way, even if Tatum 336 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.200 was healthy, and even if they won the championship. 337 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.440 They have new ownership, they have a roster. 338 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:03.440 That's why the expensive and no matter how much money 339 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.679 you have, we learned what scares billionaires who own NBA teams, 340 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:12.000 punitive financial penalties for paying too much money to keep 341 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.799 your roster together. So Adam Silver did this thing where 342 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:17.240 he's like, all right, we're not going to simply reward 343 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.679 the worst teams for trying to lose. We're not gonna 344 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.200 do that, and we're actually gonna make it harder for 345 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:23.440 the worst teams to move up. 346 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.279 They did that in twenty nineteen. We have six years 347 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:26.759 of drafts. 348 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.879 Now zero times has the worst team in pro basketball 349 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.720 received the number one overall pick. On the other side, 350 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.240 he said, we're also going to make it harder for 351 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:38.600 owners to keep their great teams together because we're going 352 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:41.159 to make the financial penalties more punitive. We've already seen 353 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.440 the Denver Nuggets move off good players a couple of 354 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:49.320 different times. Bruce Brown, Contavious Caldwell, Pope, Jeff Green. I mean, yes, 355 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.879 that's not in the most overwhelming list of players, but 356 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:55.279 those were key contributors and key cox to championship level teams. 357 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.960 Denver had to jettison them, trying to plug holes with 358 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.320 young players like Christian Brown and veteran minimums like Russell Westbrook. 359 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.599 The Golden State Warriors had to make a really difficult 360 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:11.000 decision on Klay Thompson to try to expedite that decision 361 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.720 with players like Buddy Healed and cheaper veteran players like 362 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.359 It's it's a little bit of a two tiered approach where, Okay, 363 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.279 we're not going to simply reward you for trying to lose. 364 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.400 We don't believe that that is the right move. 365 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.000 As far as having integrity in your endeavor and treating 366 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.240 the league in the game the right way. We want 367 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.279 you as a front office to put your best foot 368 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.079 forward and try to win. Now, there are complications in 369 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.519 trying to do that in Salt Lake juxtaposed to South 370 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.799 Beach or LA. So we need to be honest about that. 371 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.799 And that's why last night's stung. Because what the Jazz 372 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.680 we're selling you all year long is there is a 373 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:50.039 reward at the end of the tunnel for all this 374 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.160 pain tolerance we're asking you to go through as a 375 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.119 fan base. And so you were sitting there last night 376 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.920 expecting the reward to come, and it didn't. Even though, 377 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:04.000 oh it was numerically and statistically the most likely outcome, 378 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.799 it still sucked. I felt horrible for Ashley Ryan's wife, 379 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:11.839 that poor girl man sitting there with that oh. 380 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.200 My gosh look on her face. 381 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.680 After Mark Tatum reveals that the Jazz fall to five, 382 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:20.680 which was the lowest possible even though it was the 383 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.240 highest possible scenario based on the percentages, the Jazz could 384 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.200 not fall further than five. 385 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:27.160 That was their floor. 386 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:33.000 But again, Washington falls to six, Charlotte falls, and you know, 387 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:38.240 Dallas is rewarded again, which makes it really uncomfortable. And 388 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.319 I can't really refute any of that, but I'll end 389 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.920 with this. For all the hey, my guy didn't win 390 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.759 the election, so it was stolen crowd. For all the hey, 391 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:50.039 my team didn't get the number one pick, so it's 392 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:55.559 rigged crowd. Ever since the NBA went to its lottery structure, 393 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.799 the team in market that has been most fortunate and 394 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:05.559 rewarded most by it, by far, is the San Antonio Spurs. 395 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:09.519 San Antonio is one of the least desirable markets in 396 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.720 the entire league. We're a bigger market than San Antonio. 397 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.920 And if there's a number two, it's probably the Cleveland Cavaliers. 398 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.559 That might be, in my opinion, the worst market in 399 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:25.519 Pro basketball. If there's number three, it might be the 400 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.640 New Orleans Pelicans New Orleans Fun Town. 401 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:31.240 But no, it's not New York, LA, Chicago, Miami. 402 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.279 They have not gift wrapped every big star to bigger markets. 403 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.519 The San Antonio Spurs literally had a dynasty that caused 404 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:43.559 TV ratings to go into the tank. When Zion Williamson, 405 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.039 who if he would ever stay healthy consistently, is one 406 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.799 of those dudes. When he was coming out of Duke 407 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.799 the team with the best chance at the number one 408 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:54.640 overall pick was the New York Knicks. 409 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.319 It went to the New Orleans Pelicans. 410 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.640 So for every data point you can throw at me 411 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.160 about Hey, New Orleans gets the number one pick. 412 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:04.000 After the Chris. 413 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:06.200 Paul debacle, Hey Cleveland gets the number one pick after 414 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:10.839 Lebron leaves Wow, Nico Harrison trades Luka Doncic and they 415 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:13.319 get Cooper Flagg to step in. For every one of 416 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.759 those you can throw at me, I can throw twenty 417 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.599 of them back at you. To refute your point that 418 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.839 this thing is rigged. The bottom line is we live 419 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.119 in a society now. When results don't go your way, 420 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.559 you cry that it was stolen, you cry that it 421 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.880 was rigged. No, that's just life, and especially when it's 422 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:39.079 literally called a lottery, literally called the lottery. Finally, the 423 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:44.440 implications at place for Ernst and Young, the NBA, anybody 424 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:50.359 involved to have this thing rigged, felonies, lawsuits, billions of dollars. 425 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:54.200 It might actually crumble the league if there was ever 426 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:57.039 any actual evidence of impropriety, and by the way, there 427 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:57.680 never has been. 428 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:02.799 The fifth pick in draft will be made by the 429 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:07.920 Utah Jazz. The number one pick in the twenty five 430 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.319 NBA Draft goes to the Dallas Mavericks. 431 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.240 You're just gonna rub it in, aren't you? All day? 432 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:16.359 You're just gonna misbehave and rub it in all day, 433 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:16.759 aren't you. 434 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:18.559 I don't know. I don't know what to do. I 435 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.799 know it hurts, but we have to talk it out. 436 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:24.960 I guess we get out now. 437 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:25.400 We do. 438 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:28.279 We do and it does hurt, but you know, it's 439 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.680 the reality of how this process works. 440 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:31.400 Love it or not. 441 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:33.559 Whether or not you think it should be changed, certainly 442 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.799 a different conversation. But our first guest on a Tuesday 443 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:37.920 afternoon was in the. 444 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:39.000 Room where it happened. 445 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:43.599 Shout out Hamilton, Andy Larson, Salid tribute Andy, Happy Tuesday, buddy. 446 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:54.240 How are we doing? Hello? Andy? Hello? Andy? What's going 447 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:54.759 on with Andy? 448 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:55.839 Can you hear me? 449 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:56.200 Hey? 450 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:57.039 Hi Andy? 451 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.759 How are you sorry about that? Yeah? 452 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.160 Well how about you? 453 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:03.039 I'm well? So are you still in Chicago? 454 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:04.480 I am? Yeah? 455 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:05.319 You are all being here. 456 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:09.480 They do the media availability tomorrow with all the all 457 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.640 the players here at the combine, so we'll get the 458 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:13.400 chance to talk to everyone kind of in the jazz 459 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.720 is range along with a feu jake or demon and 460 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:18.359 then head back Thursday. 461 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.839 All right, Andy, So I'm just gonna ask you to 462 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.000 respond to folks, and we just simply live in a 463 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:28.640 time where if a result doesn't go your way, or 464 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.079 if you don't understand why something is the way it is, 465 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:33.480 the easy thing to do is yell that it's rigged 466 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.599 or it was stolen or it was taken from you. 467 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.680 And the reality is where the jazz landed last night 468 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.680 was the most you know, the chances were the highest 469 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:45.319 of the jazz are going to land where they did. Now, 470 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.000 I know it stings, But for all of the hey 471 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.200 this is rigged and the fixes in crowd, what do 472 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:50.880 you have to say? 473 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.000 Yeah, Look, I was stunned that that was as much 474 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.799 of the reaction as it was that, you know, when 475 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:01.119 I pulled my followers yesterday on Twitter that seventy six 476 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:03.640 present to respond and said that they felt that the 477 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:05.920 lottery is rigged, and I, I don't know me Like, 478 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:07.640 look I was, I was in the room. You can 479 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.240 see the ping pong ball blow around until one gets 480 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:12.079 sucked up and then they call the number and then 481 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:15.680 you know there are four that a combination of four 482 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.440 different ping pong balls. You're not really sure which team 483 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:20.279 it's going to be into that last King Pong ball 484 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:24.079 all is drawn, and you know, so it would be 485 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:28.319 extremely difficult to rig given that you have fourteen team 486 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:31.559 executives there, you know, ten of which who are going 487 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.839 home unhappy and are are going to have every reason to, 488 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.759 you know, raise concern if something were to go wrong, 489 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.079 plus fourteen media members there who would make their careers 490 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.559 if they could, you know, really report out that the 491 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.920 that the lottery was rigged. And then like, okay, let's 492 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:50.880 say that it is rigged in favor of the Dallas Mavericks, 493 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.799 you know, in return for giving Luca Dong just to 494 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:57.880 the Lakers, which you know suffum both ends of that deal. 495 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.960 But like, how did they convince Amthony Davis to go 496 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.240 down with an injury? And how did they get Kyrie 497 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.759 to tear his tendency? You know, so we won't play 498 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.240 all next season? Right like this that doesn't make sense. 499 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.839 They were a playoff team before then, So this like 500 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:18.400 quid pro quote people are the conspiracy theories are turning 501 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.880 out It just doesn't make any sense, guys, Like it is, 502 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:27.599 it's the perfect theory that like makes so much sense 503 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.480 if you think about it. For exactly er point five milliseconds, 504 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:32.880 and then you know, the rest of us grow up 505 00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:36.839 from being twelve years old to kind of understand that, like, hey, 506 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.359 the world works this way sometimes and a whole lot 507 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.079 of the time you're gonna get unlucky. And that's that's 508 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:43.680 what happened with the last night. 509 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.240 That's why they call it a lottery. 510 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:50.119 And you know, for all of the for every piece 511 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:51.960 of if I don't know if you want to call 512 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.119 a proof or maybe just an example that feels a 513 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.680 little bit uncomfortable, I can throw twenty examples back at 514 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.400 you to anicay, this thing is not rigged and it's 515 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:05.559 just how lotteries work. Now, I understand the disappointment, and honestly, Andy, 516 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.759 I share in it. I mean, I was hoping last 517 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.759 night the Jazz would land at one, and I was 518 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.680 hoping that Cooper Flag would be on his way to 519 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.160 our market, because we badly need this team to be 520 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.200 far more relevant than it has been outside of the 521 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.000 little bubble of people that believe it's more relevant than 522 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:24.079 it actually is. Like I have national guests on my 523 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.200 show every year or every day during the NBA season, 524 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.480 and I can't even ask them anything about the team 525 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.559 outside of like, hey, what will Cooper flag look like 526 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.480 in a Jazz uniform? So I understand the frustration, but 527 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.519 it doesn't mean that the fix is in. We just 528 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.559 live in this time and place where if something doesn't 529 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.519 go your way, instead of critically thinking about it, it's 530 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:47.839 easy to say it was stolen, it was rigged, it 531 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.559 was taken from me. Right, here's where I want to 532 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:54.559 go next, though. Do you like this current format? Because 533 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:59.759 in twenty nineteen, they flatten the odds and essentially they're 534 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.359 not I'm rewarding the worst teams in pro basketball. So 535 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:05.720 that's the message from the league office, like, we don't 536 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.680 want you to tank, right, Like, we don't believe that 537 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.039 that is a decision that is steeped in integrity and 538 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:13.799 respect for the way this thing is built. 539 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.039 Do you like the way that the current lottery is 540 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:16.519 set up? 541 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.000 Yeah? And I mean then didn't last night work out? 542 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:25.119 Because the Jazz tanked harder and more blatantly and more 543 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:29.319 anti competitively and less honorably than any other team in 544 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.480 the NBA this year and potentially like honestly in league history. 545 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.720 Like John Collins played forty games this season and was 546 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.200 healthy all year long, right like that, it's crazy. You 547 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:43.640 had Walker Kessler missing games as a twenty three year 548 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.039 old due to rest when there were days off in 549 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.079 between games. You had him shooting five threes a game 550 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:53.000 even though you knew that he can't shoot threes, right, 551 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.880 even though he is a fifty percent free throw shooter. 552 00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.680 You were kind of hoping that, hey, let's go in 553 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.440 and see how many threes walking shoot, and in fact 554 00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:03.720 made him run in practice when he didn't get up 555 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.799 at least five a game, like come on, like you 556 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.279 know the idea. Yes, this went badly for the Jazz, 557 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.599 but from a league perspective, like if you want if 558 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:17.680 your number one priority is preventing teams from tanking, then 559 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.920 this is absolutely what you want. I think there's a 560 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.079 conversation to be had on do you want teams to 561 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:31.200 tank less than you want them to reward them with 562 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.559 the number one overall selection or the best draft selections? 563 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:34.799 Right? 564 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.960 Like, is the should the priority be parody to some 565 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.200 extent that you can cycle these teams out of the bottom, 566 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:47.960 get them higher into contention windows more quickly, and then 567 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.000 all of a sudden, Okay, it doesn't make any sense 568 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.720 to flatten the lottery odds like they did in twenty nineteen. 569 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.559 So I think, to me, honestly, that probably should be 570 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.839 more of a priority than preventing tanking. But given that 571 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.720 preventing tanking was seen as the league's number one issue 572 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.640 in twenty nineteen and it's still seen as so important today, 573 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.319 then what happened last night makes sense, like and it 574 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.519 fits within that that setup. It just totally depends on 575 00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.839 what your priorities are as a result. Look, the Jazz 576 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.119 are going to be bad for fix years to come. 577 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.680 But you know what if the Jazz were in the league, 578 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.160 you know, if they're in European Soccer or whatever, a 579 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.240 team without a draft or a draft that does a 580 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.400 league without a draft, or a league where drafts don't 581 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.759 matter right like, then you just see teams stagnate at 582 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.400 the top and at the bottom of the league. So anyway, 583 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.039 I think it's a totally fair conversation to have, and 584 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.519 is a conversation in fact, that the league most powerful 585 00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:48.000 people are having at the combine and in these Chicago 586 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.079 hotel rooms as we speak. 587 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.839 Well, and you know, ultimately people around here today don't 588 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.119 want to hear this. But for all the pushback and 589 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.680 for all the flak that the NBA is take today 590 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.319 and that Adam Silver is taking today. Last night was 591 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.599 an absolute win for them because it's going to make 592 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:11.079 the off season incredibly interesting for a league that loses 593 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.640 a ton of its market share to Pro football quite frankly, 594 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:14.400 in just a. 595 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:16.240 Matter of you know, five or six weeks. 596 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.559 Last night was an absolute win for the NBA based 597 00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.359 on what they try to accomplish by flattening those odds 598 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.400 in twenty nineteen. It's going to bring attention, intrigue, probably 599 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.400 gonna bring a lot of moves, probably going to bring 600 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.480 some trades, maybe even some big time trades on Draft night. 601 00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.480 So folks don't want to hear that today because what 602 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.599 it was in Andy was a win for the Jazz. 603 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.960 And again, when it's not a win for your side, 604 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.759 the easy thing to do without being a critical thinker 605 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.680 is yelled that you know it's rigged and that it's 606 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:49.720 been stolen. The complicated thing, though, is what does this 607 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.599 mean for a roster construction in a city like Salt Lake, 608 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.240 for a team like the Jazz that, if we're honest, Andy, 609 00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.319 have not found franchise pillars that wanted to stay here 610 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.400 longer than seven or eight years since John and Carl 611 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:02.799 were here. 612 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.079 And that's the reality. So what's next? What do they do? 613 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:07.920 What do the Jazz do? What are the next steps? 614 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.079 Yeah, I mean you draft the best player who can 615 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.160 at number five, and look, I think there are probably 616 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.319 three guys with like some some kind of star upside 617 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:20.200 at number five. I don't think like it's a hopeless 618 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.519 position to be and I think you'd much rather be 619 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.759 the Jazz at number five than the Wizards at number six. 620 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:32.200 And then look, you can sell yourself on the Hey, 621 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.559 you can always trade for Trey Young, you can always 622 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.799 trade for Zion Williamson, and the Jazz have draft assets 623 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.160 to do that. And heck, you know, maybe that makes sense. 624 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.720 Maybe you give up on the tanking thing and just 625 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.880 kind of go for it with that level of player. 626 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.240 Then you need something crazy to happen with the rest 627 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.279 of the roster, right Like otherwise you are in the 628 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.880 Atlanta or you know, New Orleans kind of the the 629 00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:59.599 middle treadmill where you know, you need a second star 630 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.640 to to appear next to those guys, Like I think 631 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.480 the Tray Young, Lowry Markin and Walker Kessler team is 632 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.759 a thirty five win team. You know, maybe a little 633 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.839 bit less given how competitive the Western conferences. But on 634 00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:15.599 the other hand, you do have the chance to make 635 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:17.480 the play in tournament, and then you have a chance 636 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.480 for things to go right if there are injuries and 637 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.200 your side of the bracket or whatever right like so, 638 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:27.240 or if somebody unexpectedly pops and becomes a star you 639 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.240 know that you didn't see coming, like a Nicola jokicch 640 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:35.599 for example. So that's one pass forward. The other pass 641 00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.000 forward is stay the course and tank again next year 642 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.039 and go for Aja Debansa and Cam Booser and Darren 643 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.480 Peterson and these guys who are projected be franchise changing 644 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.400 players next year. I mean, it's too soon, really, do 645 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.640 I think understand what the Jazz want to do. I 646 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.440 think there is some uncertainty as to like what Ryan 647 00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:59.039 Smith will instruct the team to do, and whether or not, 648 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.680 you know he is this as a turning point in 649 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.000 the team's decision making or again, if they want to. 650 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.039 Stay the course all right. 651 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.880 So I felt so bad for Ashley Smith, who had 652 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.599 this look on her face after Mark Tatum revealed the 653 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.680 envelope with the Jazz at five that she had just 654 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.480 seen a ghost. But that's all we could see on 655 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.599 TV you were there, you know, the reaction of the 656 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.599 other jazz contingent, Ryan whoever else was there? What did 657 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.640 that look and sound like? After I was revealed the 658 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.680 Jazz were picking at five? 659 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.039 Yeah, so I, you know, had a lot of interaction 660 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.480 with Justin Zannik because he was in the lottery room 661 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.119 and we had an hour to watch the TV show 662 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.279 after the lottery happens, but we're sequestered in that room 663 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.960 until the TV show ends, and so yeah, I had 664 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.000 a lot of time to get just Zenic's reaction, which 665 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.519 his shot disappointed, you know, and you know was just 666 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:57.920 kind of bewildered laster at like how unlucky they had 667 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.039 gotten and kind of what had happened and with the 668 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.759 with the ping pong balls last night. Then you can 669 00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.839 you kind of get that out of this room. You 670 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.000 have to grab your envelope from the table which has 671 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.000 all your phone and watches and everything else in it. 672 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.400 And then so then I run upstairs to the ballroom 673 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:21.079 and as I run out, it's Ryan Smith walking out 674 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:26.079 with his family, like clearly just stun devastated, like he 675 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.200 gave me it's just a shake of his head like 676 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.200 he was distraught. I think that's the right word to say, 677 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.640 as as you know, was just leaving that room as 678 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:38.400 quickly as possible where the TV studio at the filming happens. 679 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.519 And then you know, saw Will Hardy for a second, 680 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.240 who you know, just again was kind of disappointed, more 681 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.400 silent rather than anything else. Uh never saw Danny Ames. 682 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.400 And then after that followed Justin Zannik back to a 683 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:57.759 hotel suite where we did the post media availability kind 684 00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.000 of on the record. So yeah, that's kind of what 685 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.559 I seren last night in terms of running into those guys. 686 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.480 Have seen a couple of them today at the Draft 687 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:12.320 Combine itself. But like you know, there's an understanding like, yes, 688 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.840 we prepared for worst case scenario, but we were really 689 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.480 hoping best case scenario or at least an okay case 690 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.760 scenario happened last night and worst case scenarios struck and 691 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.440 a means that this starts all over again and is 692 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.239 as it's not a great place to be as a 693 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:28.000 franchise site. 694 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.480 And they know that, all right, So let's dig into 695 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:33.400 the number five pick. 696 00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.760 And I suppose it depends on who you read, who 697 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.440 you listen to. 698 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.480 You know, the Athletics got a couple of guys that 699 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.880 do a really good job. Gavoni, over to ESPN, has 700 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:45.480 been pretty steadfast. His belief is that there are four 701 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.519 players in order, and I don't think he's changed his 702 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.679 order once and he didn't change it today. 703 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.639 That are franchise changing pieces, of. 704 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.480 Course, And this is according to to Gavoni, because to 705 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:01.000 your point, Andy, you can find franchise changing pieces at 706 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.199 forty two or wherever Jokic win. And you know, I 707 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.159 can't help but think about the draft process for Stephen Curry, 708 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.800 who literally was a generational changer. I think he went seven, 709 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.239 So Cooper Flag at one, and then Dylan Harper too. 710 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.840 We'll see what san Antonio does. 711 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.280 Like I said, if you're the NBA, last night was 712 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.079 a win because there's gonna be a lot of intrigue 713 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.400 about some of these moves. Ace Bailey at three, this 714 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.079 is Givoni vj Edgecum at four. Then he has the 715 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.320 Jazz taking Jeremiah Fears, a point guard out of Oklahoma. 716 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.199 Trey Johnson, who can really shoot it from Texas, will 717 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.440 be there. And then you get into, like I get 718 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.639 the Jazz fan frustration. We're like, wait a second, we 719 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.960 just lost almost seventy games and Kank Nipple might be 720 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.559 the prize to respect. But best case scenario at five Andy, 721 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.920 in your opinion, sounds like what I've honestly. 722 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.880 Got to, like look at these guys and make a 723 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.000 firm decision for kind of myself on who's that. You know, 724 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.119 I've watched a decent amount of film and trying to 725 00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.760 understand and you know, honestly, some of that process it's 726 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.679 going to be talking to them tomorrow and learning more 727 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.079 about their personalities. So like Ace Bailey right, like is 728 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.679 a tremendous shooter. Shot forty six percent on mid range 729 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.679 shots last year, which is awesome, Like you know, to 730 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.320 make that many of your tough mide range shots is 731 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.960 star level. And then it's like, okay, but why did 732 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.280 you take two hundred mid rangers last year? And why 733 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:21.679 were you not able to get to the rim more 734 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.280 often or the free throw line more often? And why 735 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.280 are your turnover numbers as bad? And you know, ultimately, 736 00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:28.719 do you think that you have to be Carmelo Anthony 737 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.360 in order to succeed in the NBA? Or are you 738 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:34.480 willing to work on your role player skills? Are you 739 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.079 you willing to use your links and athleticism to block 740 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:42.119 shots and defend and move the ball and be part 741 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.880 of the good offense rather than just be offense. Like 742 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.159 I'm excited to learn about those things when we get 743 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.880 the chance to talk to them tomorrow. Vj. Edsom is 744 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.199 a better pick by a lot of draft model if 745 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:59.079 you just look at like the statistical analysis models. You know, 746 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.519 Darryl Morian Phildelphia is gonna care a lot about but 747 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.639 he's also you know, just six four and and is 748 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.119 not did not have great shooting numbers in his freshman year. 749 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.599 On the other hand, his block and steel numbers are terrific, 750 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.840 and he also was a terrific dunker. So the athleticism 751 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.079 is really popping kind of on boltons of floor. So 752 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.000 that's nice. And then yeah, you know, I think probably 753 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.159 those two guys are taking number three and number four. 754 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:29.920 And then you're left with Trey Johnson, a good shooter. 755 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.400 Does he do the other things you need in order 756 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.920 to win? Does he defense? Does he playmake as well 757 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.400 as he needs to? You know, I think that's a 758 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.239 real question. I think there's a real chance that he's 759 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:43.679 like pretty buddy healthy in the NBA. And then Jeremiah Fears, 760 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.280 who is a tiny point guard but is as dynamic 761 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.599 as as it gets and put up some really awesome 762 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.480 stats in his freshman year. Our guy Jason Patakia, and 763 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.599 this should not be trusted at all, is a huge 764 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.480 Oklahoma you know who is an Oklahoma Sooner. Went to 765 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:03.000 ou O you daily guy. He says he's Kyrie Irving 766 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:04.519 and I'm like, dude. 767 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:04.679 No he's not. 768 00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.239 Can like best casey be like dearon Foxy Okay, Maybe 769 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:11.719 all of a sudden I can start to see it. 770 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.800 So look, you know, this is the first top five pick. 771 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.760 This is spin. This is a spin Justin Zanna gave yesterday. 772 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.199 But it's true. This is the first top five picked 773 00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:25.679 the Jazz I've had since twenty fourteen. And you are 774 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.320 going to get a higher caliber prospect at number five 775 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.719 than you were at number nine or number ten when 776 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.159 you were drafting Taylor Hendricks or Cody Williams. 777 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.760 So as I alluded to and talked about this off 778 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:37.320 the top. 779 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.159 Today, as a result of how. 780 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.039 This went down last night, there's a tremendous possibility for 781 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.119 a lot of movements. 782 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.000 A lot of players could be available. 783 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:51.199 We already know that according to Shams Giannis is open 784 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.360 to being moved. By the way, it's now been verified 785 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.239 Jason Tatum did rupture his achilles, so he's going to 786 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.280 be out obviously for at least a year, and we'll 787 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.880 see how he comes back. But you know, when you 788 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.840 look at the situation in Boston, new ownership group, second 789 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.039 Apron team, awesome but really expensive, and now the Tatum injury, 790 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.480 there's a chance that some of those Celtics could be 791 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:18.320 available as well. Now San Antonio is very interesting too 792 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.239 because they have Daron Fox and everyone loves Dylan Harper. 793 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.719 But of course tremendous redundancy to have those two on 794 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.679 the same roster with a ball dominant type you know, 795 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.880 a redundant field because the two of them are somewhat similar. 796 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:33.920 So you got San Antonio. 797 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.400 Oklahoma City has to be brought up because they have 798 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.519 a compendium of assets and a bunch of really good 799 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:43.039 young players. The problem with will the Jazz get involved 800 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.000 in any of these transactions is yes, they have the capital, 801 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.440 but other teams have similar you know, trade capital in 802 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.360 their back pocket. But what the other teams have that 803 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.840 the Jazz don't is Okay, see can be like, hey, 804 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.119 we'll give you five picks Jalen Williams and chet and 805 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:03.159 whatever for Giannis. And the Jazz don't have that package. 806 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:05.320 They don't have the package San Antonio does. They don't 807 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.000 have the package Houston does. So yes, they have the 808 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.880 draft capital. But you know, what does lowry marketing really 809 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.599 do for you? And I guess that you know, beauty 810 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.639 is in the eye of the behoulder. Is there any 811 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.480 chance the Jazz have what it takes to get bold 812 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.280 and try to get involved with some of these acquisitions 813 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.760 to get better players here or maybe even move up 814 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:25.280 in the draft. 815 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:25.800 What do you think? 816 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.440 I mean, I think you can move up to three 817 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.960 in the draft realistically, if you really want to, if 818 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.800 that's meaningful to you, I think there is that opportunity. 819 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.039 I don't think really number two or number one is realistic. 820 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.480 I think that if you wanted to, I think Giannis 821 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.199 is out of the picture for the reasons you describe, 822 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.320 you just are going to be beat by significantly better 823 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.760 teams with significantly better players to trade to Milwaukee that 824 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:59.519 are more intriguing and all the draft app that's you 825 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.119 can want, you know, whether that's from Houston or Opoma 826 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.400 City or San Antonio, like teams just can. 827 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:06.239 Make a better package. 828 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.320 Where I do think the Jazz could if they wanted 829 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.599 to get into it is on kind of that next 830 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.400 tier of star. So do you want to take on 831 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.920 Zion Williamson and his issues? Do you want to take 832 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.119 on John Morant in his issues? Do you want to 833 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.760 take on Trey Young in his issues? 834 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:23.039 Yeah? 835 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.840 I think you can have those conversations if the Celtics 836 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.280 decide to turn it around quickly or just decide they're 837 00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.920 paying Jalen Brown too much money. Is that an option? 838 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.559 I can see a world in which it is, And 839 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.599 you know, I don't think he is going to demand 840 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.960 a Gyiannis level of return. I think there are a 841 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.800 few situations around the league, like, if you really wanted to, 842 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.599 you could trade for Kevin Durant Mike. Now do the 843 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.719 Jazz want to? I don't think that that makes a 844 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.239 lot of sense given Kevin Durant's age, But it is 845 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.880 an option. So you're just not going to get the 846 00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:00.000 perfect superstar out there, like a Janis who's like clearly 847 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.480 top five player in the world, clearly in his prime. Uh. 848 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.360 And you know, because you're right that the other teams 849 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:09.000 have more to offer. That's not draft capital that the 850 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:13.079 Jazz just can't match with the Keyante Georges of the world. 851 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:19.320 Oh dear well, Andy, before I set you loose, uh, 852 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.400 just best guess and I'll just tell you my take 853 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.800 on this. I think next year is gonna feel a 854 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.239 lot like this year. Uh you know, call it tanking, 855 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.960 call it whatever you want. And I've been a proponent 856 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.199 of this because I just don't see any other avenue to, 857 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.039 you know, for the Jazz to acquire the type of 858 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:41.960 talent they need in order to establish a cornerstone franchise, 859 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.559 changing peace, to change. 860 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.119 Your trajectory, what the future could look like. 861 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.920 I still believe their best chance is to do this 862 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.159 in the lottery, and I still believe their best chance 863 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.199 is to lose and have the best chance possible of 864 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:55.840 getting one of those picks. I know today is the 865 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.199 most unpopular day to say that. I don't know what 866 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.480 else they do. So before I set you loose, my 867 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.880 guess is next year looks and feels a lot like 868 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:04.719 this year for the Jazz. 869 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:05.320 What do you think? 870 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.599 Yeah, I kind of agree, And I mean the thing 871 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.320 about the lottery being when it is is that you 872 00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.760 have a month and a week between now and the 873 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.800 actual NBA draft. I guess six weeks to make decisions 874 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.719 and to slow down and not react emotionally to what 875 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.480 happened yesterday. And you know, I think there is an 876 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:30.320 absolute temptation today that, hey, you should change what to 877 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.360 you know, what the plan is, right, like change the process, 878 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.599 try to be competitive and go in the Atlanta and 879 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:41.199 Chicago route, which hey, you know will make games more 880 00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.679 interesting next year and be a lot more fun. What 881 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.960 I suspect is that the Jazz do the calculations and 882 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.440 do the mass and decide for the same reasons they 883 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.159 decided this year that tanking is probably the best option 884 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.880 next year, given who's available in the lottery, and given 885 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.360 that in order to keep their Oklamas that he picked 886 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.039 in the Derek Favors trade, they need to be one 887 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.559 of the eight worst teams in the NBA. So I 888 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.679 suspect ultimately you're right, they just stay with the status quo, 889 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.519 even though it feels like such a dumb thing to 890 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:16.079 do right now. 891 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.639 Yeah, today's the most unpopular day to talk about it, 892 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.280 But you know, I think that's the reality. All right, 893 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.079 my guy, Well, save travels and we'll get you back 894 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:25.639 on again soon. 895 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:25.880 Thanks. 896 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:27.639 Andy, all right, sounds good. 897 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:28.079 Thanks Ben. 898 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.199 Andy Larson covers the Utah Jazz for the Salt Lake 899 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.880 Tribune Live on the ground in Chicago. The NBA Draft 900 00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.960 Combine is going on right now, obviously, the day after 901 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.280 the NBA Draft Lottery, which turned out to be just 902 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.239 a brutal gut punch for jazz fans. And we'll get 903 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:43.639 back to some of this coming up in a bit. 904 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.119 But on the other side, we'll do some college football. 905 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.360 Lemon Tao stops by. Andy stopped by today courtesy of 906 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.480 our friends at IFA Country Stores, and he drive to 907 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.960 the basket begins with the first step on the court. 908 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.079 That's the ultimate power move. IFA Step one. 909 00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.119 Crabgrass Preventor plus their lawn food is the first choice 910 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.039 to give your yard the healthy, thick green look you desire. 911 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.000 The neighbors will be green with envy. 912 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.559 Shop IFA online at IFA dot co op, or stop 913 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.960 by one of their eighteen Utah locations today. 914 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.159 All right, Tim McMahon's gonna stop by. 915 00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:16.840 Tim covers ESPN, excuse me, covers the NBA for ESPN 916 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.199 covers the Utah Jazz, the Dallas Mavericks, among others. Good 917 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.360 day to have Tim on the program. A little bit 918 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.119 of breaking news. It is official Jason Tatum has ruptured 919 00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:30.000 as achilles tendon. He already had surgery, so the recovery 920 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.119 process begins now. 921 00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:33.280 Just to horrible news for a really, really good player 922 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.519 who just entered his prime. Don't forget. 923 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.760 Richard Smith stops by live in studio for an entire hour. 924 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.000 Smith he spent forty years with the Utah Jazz. But 925 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.679 let's bring in my buddy, A lemon Teou who stops 926 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.400 by to talk about the All Poly Sports camp coming up. 927 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:47.679 A Lemon happ you Tuesday, man, How you. 928 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.239 Doing doing fine? Thanks for having me. 929 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.199 Appreciate the time. Appreciate the time. 930 00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:54.800 So it's kind of your time of year as we're 931 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.679 approaching the All Poly camp. But I've been interviewing you. 932 00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:59.679 I don't know, I feel like once a year for 933 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.719 a long long time. So just before our listeners are unfamiliar, 934 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.679 tell us about it. What do you want our listeners 935 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.320 to know from like a macro viewpoint about all poly sports. 936 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.599 So right now we're rated the number one contact camp 937 00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.519 in the country non institutional camps by the College Coaches 938 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.920 of America. We're excited about that. We're going on twenty 939 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:25.320 seven years, and we've had the opportunity of you know, 940 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.679 waiting to see some great players come through and also 941 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.599 see the elevation of high school football here in the 942 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.320 great state of Utah. 943 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.079 So I'll let's get some dates and locations. When is 944 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.559 one of the actual camps going down and where they're 945 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:39.880 going to be. 946 00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:46.320 Our right and Start camp will be June seventeenth, and 947 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.559 our college prospect camp is going to be June eighteenth. 948 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.199 Both will be held at the Lompeak Park here in Sandy. 949 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.719 And over the years, as you reference, the high school 950 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.679 football scene in our states has evolved and continues to 951 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.679 evolve with players not just you know eleven. When I 952 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:06.599 was growing up and felt like all the best players 953 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:08.719 went to either b Y, you were Utah. Nothing wrong 954 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:10.679 with that, But now we see players going all over 955 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.559 the country and a number of players continue to go 956 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.800 to the NFL to play pro football. 957 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:17.760 Tell me, Alema, from your vantage point, how. 958 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.480 The college football Excuse me, the high school football scene 959 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.360 in the state of Utah has grown since you kind 960 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:23.119 of started doing this. 961 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.519 Well, I'll tell you right now, I honestly believe that 962 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.639 the coaching here in Utah at the high school level 963 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.880 is awesome. We got a lot of outstanding coaches who 964 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:37.159 are very committed to the game and who are also 965 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.480 have great teachers, you know. Not only that, and outside 966 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.079 of you know, the great coaches that we have here 967 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.320 in the state of Utah, we have outstanding traders. Guys 968 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.519 that are taking kids I mean off season and really 969 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.159 you know, honing in their skills. You know, I mean 970 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:56.960 the skilled position guys, you know, I mean are doing 971 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.880 some great things. I know we've got you know, Mattossi 972 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.320 who does our Beast training does a great job with 973 00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:06.119 this linebackers, got the OPA training guys. They do a 974 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:10.079 lot of stuff with the line and competition, I know, 975 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:15.320 protech trenches and uh Boss gills. Uh those those are 976 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:17.440 front guys that do a fabulous job. You know, we're 977 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.800 we're known for for our front guys online d line guys. 978 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.960 But people are underestimate the fact that we've had great 979 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:28.320 quarterbacks come through City Utah as well. You know, I mean, 980 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:30.760 I think this year we got three of the best 981 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.199 quarterbacks in the country at the high school level. With 982 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.119 the Cosuma kid at the Corner Canyon, you got the 983 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.519 little Poppy kid at West and uh the Lone Peak 984 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.559 kid kept a new metta. Those three guys, in my opinion, 985 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.440 are outstanding quarterbacks that are going to make us some 986 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:48.960 noise this year. 987 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.000 So probably should be very clear. 988 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:52.400 Lema. 989 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.800 I know this because I'm familiar with you, but the 990 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:56.840 name of the camp is all poly sports. 991 00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.519 But you are open to everyone. 992 00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:04.960 Yes, opened to everyone, inclusive of any and all. So yeah, 993 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.599 originally started that way, but uh, you know, as the 994 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.599 ability got bigger, and you know, we decided to make 995 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:16.079 sure that everybody had the same opportunity. So uh uh 996 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.559 you know, we've had great non pologies kids come through 997 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.320 with the Kruger brothers. As you know, I had great careers, 998 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.599 you know. Uh, and I see a kid very shimulary 999 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.519 to those guys and Crew Jones. You know, he's an 1000 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:34.920 outstanding defensive lineman you know up in the Cash County 1001 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:36.880 area who's doing a great job. And that guy's being 1002 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.639 recruited all over the country. So he came to Dark 1003 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.960 Camp last year and just whooped everybody's trash. And uh, 1004 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.880 you know, he's really big on the recruiting scene right now, 1005 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.320 and there'll be more guys like him, uh coming to 1006 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.199 few as well. So uh, I want to say this, 1007 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.719 the Uh. In my opinion. UH, the there's a young 1008 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.679 man by the name of Kingston Stroshine. His dad runs 1009 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.719 Stroke Film. It's uh, he's only in eighth grade, going 1010 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.480 into the ninth grade. I project him to be uh 1011 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:07.559 part of the top recruit out of the state of 1012 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.679 Utah within the next couple of years. He is that 1013 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:13.119 good and UH I look forward to seeing him in 1014 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.320 shoulder pads and doing this thing at camp this year. 1015 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.519 Give our listeners a lemma an idea of just kind 1016 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.840 of the schedule how this camp works. Uh, you know 1017 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.440 what you do in the morning, the drills and such. 1018 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.199 Coaches that are present, give it. If we've got listeners 1019 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.679 who have some some some young man who they think 1020 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.039 might benefit from your camp, what's the feel like? 1021 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:35.800 What do you guys do. 1022 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:37.840 Well? 1023 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:40.920 But for we have three sessions, Okay, each camp has 1024 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.840 three sessions. First session, it's gonna be the helmet's only 1025 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.880 kids will come through, run through positions, specific grills with 1026 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.400 the different college coaches, and then they're gonna put him 1027 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.280 into various teams. The second session, we'll start off with 1028 00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:59.199 some some limited contact where we're going to instill or 1029 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.719 install and offense and a defense. So the kids are 1030 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.880 gonna have to learn, you know, a scheme you know, 1031 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.159 at college tempo during that second period, and then the 1032 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.400 third period we'll go through a review session and then 1033 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.679 we're going to scrimmage at the end. And then during 1034 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.679 that time, you know, you see the cream rise to 1035 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.480 the top. And so over the years, we've had some 1036 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:23.360 very spirited, uh scrimmage years, and you know, the the 1037 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:27.280 level of competition that that that shows itself at the 1038 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.559 end is amazing and so uh and you will see 1039 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.719 a lot of college coaches around there during that time, 1040 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.599 just kind of taking notes and uh sneak and peak 1041 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.000 at at kids from the different parts of the country. 1042 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.480 So so lot local college coaches, coaches from around the 1043 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.519 country checking out these kids. I wonder, Alemma, how you 1044 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.320 because we talked about the changing landscape of high school 1045 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:51.360 football in Utah and how it's grown. What about the 1046 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.880 landscape of college football in Utah. Somebody has been around 1047 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.199 football forever. Uh, what do you what do you make 1048 00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:58.880 of the current state of the college game and the 1049 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.639 changes that have been implement over the past four years. 1050 00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:07.320 Well, you know, in a sense, man, it's uh, it's 1051 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.639 kind of level of the playing field, you know, and 1052 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.400 then I mean, you know before backs, you know, within 1053 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.360 I mean as recently as three four years ago, everybody 1054 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:17.360 was going to Alabama. 1055 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:18.239 You know. 1056 00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.519 Now that's not the case anymore. I mean, uh, you know, 1057 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.679 the dollar has taken over the game. You know, it's 1058 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.599 unfortunate because you know, you don't have the stability of 1059 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.400 the roster. You know, from year to year. I mean 1060 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.559 ten years ago, you knew if you signed somewhere, the 1061 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.000 chances are you're gonna be there for four to five years. 1062 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.280 Now the projection is, man, you're gonna be average. You 1063 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.000 guys are gonna transfer two times, you know, which is unfortunate, 1064 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.519 Which is unfortunate because they don't get that that growth 1065 00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:49.679 or that experience, you know, in one program. And so 1066 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:54.360 I mean, it's it's it's specially it's basically professional football now, 1067 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:56.679 you know, in all sense of the word. You know, 1068 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:59.920 they're they're following the uh, the NFL model. Everybody's got 1069 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:03.360 a GM now instead of a DFO, and those guys 1070 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:05.599 got to manage the roster. And and you know, obviously 1071 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:06.920 they're paying the players now. 1072 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:08.199 So uh. 1073 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.360 And then what I'm finding out and the word I'm 1074 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:13.119 getting from a lot of the college coaches that I 1075 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.480 deal with is you know, everybody is more concerned with 1076 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:20.000 what the NIL deal versus what kind of education can 1077 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.360 I get or how, you know, how can you develop 1078 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.000 me as a football player? Which which is? 1079 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:26.000 You know. 1080 00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.320 The sad thing now is I meet every year with 1081 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:30.960 a lot of the college guys and a lot of 1082 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.599 the a lot of the recruiting courterinators out of convention, 1083 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:38.320 and this year it was basically like, we just don't 1084 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.840 have the time to develop players anymore. So we got 1085 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.639 to recruit guys that can come in. Now that means, 1086 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.679 you know, only the top tier high school players are 1087 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.280 going to be able to get a shot to get 1088 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:52.159 that D one scholarship, you know. So it's it's different, 1089 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.159 you know. I mean there's a plus center minus, you know, 1090 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.480 and so everybody's just going to have to adjust to it. 1091 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.159 So from a boat oh yeah, no, great. 1092 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:02.880 Now, Now let me move over here, because from a 1093 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:05.599 local standpoint, you know, we're broadcasting a mile away from 1094 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.000 Ryseckles and we're the home of the Utes and have 1095 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.360 a good relationship with all the b YU guys as well. 1096 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.920 I mean, hell half of them coached here anyway. So 1097 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.519 how do you feel the Kyle and Kalani are positioned 1098 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.400 to make sure that they continue on the right path 1099 00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.280 to make sure the b YU and b YU and 1100 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.639 Utah football can can keep having success. 1101 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.480 You know, I know this. They're they're only going to 1102 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:34.119 have access to good players. The problem isn't within BYU 1103 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:38.400 or or Utah itself, is the outside guys that are 1104 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.519 run interference, you know, with their best players. You know, 1105 00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.239 there's you know, there are predators out there that are 1106 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.880 going to go after their best players. And that to 1107 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.239 me is probably going to be the hardest thing to 1108 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.679 do for our local schools is how do you keep 1109 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:57.360 those guys away from our best players? You know, That's 1110 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.199 that's that's a tough job moving forward, because no matter 1111 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:05.559 what DNC double A says, hey man, you know and 1112 00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.280 outside so it's is gonna come in and say he 1113 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.039 and they meet me at McDonald they got to brown 1114 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:10.679 back for you and that's the end of the story. 1115 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.599 You're gone, you know. So that's the biggest problem I see, 1116 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.079 and that that that's gonna that's gonna hurt them is 1117 00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:20.800 both institutions do a great job recruiting and developing players 1118 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.480 and even taking players that are not even rating and 1119 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.599 turning them into four five star level players. But can 1120 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.599 they keep on keep those guys on the roster? You know, 1121 00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:32.719 that's tough part. 1122 00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:35.880 Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's kind of where my 1123 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:36.480 head is at. 1124 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:40.159 I mean because as you know, Kyle's best teams, certainly 1125 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.599 if you go back to Sugar Bowl, go back to 1126 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:44.920 back twelve championships, like you know, the deal, like the 1127 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.679 ethos is, uh, we will develop you and you know, 1128 00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.960 if you're not ready to play right out of the gates, 1129 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:52.760 give us some time, put in the work, do what 1130 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.559 we ask you to do, and then when you're a third, fourth, 1131 00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.360 fifth year guy, you'll be ready to roll, and so 1132 00:55:58.559 --> 00:55:58.840 will we. 1133 00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:00.639 I mean that's kind of all he's been. The deal. 1134 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.559 Is that type of model sustainable in modern day college football? 1135 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:11.679 Geez? I? And honestly, I don't like the direction that 1136 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.440 the college football is taken, and it's not. I don't 1137 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.239 think it's sustainable, you know, in my opinion, you know, 1138 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:20.719 just because you can't, I mean, you can't. You can't 1139 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.320 if you can't keep your best players, you know, how 1140 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.719 do you expect to be good year in the year out? 1141 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.239 You know when you know that, Yeah, I'm gonna I 1142 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:31.519 just signed a five star d lineman or whole lineman 1143 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.360 or whatever, knowing that, hey, if I don't give this 1144 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.639 guy enough playing time his freshman year, he's gone, you know. 1145 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.400 And if he's not happy with the offense, shoot, he's gone. 1146 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:41.079 You know. 1147 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.239 So there's so many variables that are going to attack 1148 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:50.840 the game. I think it really to me, it handcuffs 1149 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.719 the coaches, you know, on how they can do their job. 1150 00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.400 You know, they're they're expected to go out and recruit 1151 00:56:56.440 --> 00:57:00.599 the best players they possibly can. You're a saying, you know, 1152 00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:03.280 try to help these guys create these nil deals and 1153 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:06.960 then keep them happy. I mean, but then when you 1154 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.559 try to do that, shoot, what happens to the plan 1155 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.599 be guys that are in your backup guys, you know, 1156 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:16.639 I mean, they get left behind. So man, I you know, 1157 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.519 in the NFL you can do that. That's just part 1158 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:21.559 of the game. But to try to do that at 1159 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.199 the college level, I think it urged the game. My 1160 00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:25.159 personal opinion. 1161 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.559 Tell me, if you've noticed, as you're working with these 1162 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:33.039 young players, a difference in the attitude, a difference in 1163 00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:36.199 the approach of both the players and I'll say the 1164 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.320 parents around them or the groups around them, now that 1165 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:42.199 there's so much money at stake, Alemma, and money immediately, 1166 00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:44.639 not money in four or five years when they maybe 1167 00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:47.800 they make the NFL. Now that these young men can 1168 00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.320 make hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more as 1169 00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:52.719 an eighteen year old freshman. 1170 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:55.599 Have you noticed a change in kind of. 1171 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.400 The attitude of the young kids and the people around 1172 00:57:58.440 --> 00:57:59.599 them that you work with every year? 1173 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:04.119 Well, I'm telling you right now, the difference is this. 1174 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:08.039 I mean, when I was sixteen, fifteen, sixteen, I was 1175 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.159 just I was just happy to be hanging out with 1176 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.960 my guys, playing ball in the park, you know, just 1177 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:13.840 doing fun things. 1178 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:14.440 You know. 1179 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:20.159 Now, hey, guys at fifteen aren't getting financial planners, you know, 1180 00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.320 I mean, they're you know, I mean, if you're that 1181 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.480 good of a player, now you're gonna have to start, 1182 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.679 you know, looking for the right kind of legal advice, 1183 00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:33.960 the right kind of financial planner. People are starting to 1184 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.320 prep you for the next you know, six years of 1185 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:40.559 your life, you know, I mean, and so which in turn, 1186 00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.039 I mean, parents are different now too. Parents all feel 1187 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:48.039 like you know that, hey, you know, my kid's going 1188 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:51.400 to be the guy. So you know, they're they're into 1189 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.639 the negotiation game as well. I mean all the parents 1190 00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:58.519 that are involved with with the with the anile stuff, 1191 00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:00.880 the recruiting stuff. You know, some of them get it, 1192 00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.119 but a lot of them don't. And she I think 1193 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.400 that hurts him. So the attitude of the kids have 1194 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:10.480 changed too, Like there's no loyalty even at the high 1195 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.639 school level. I mean, kid can play three different high 1196 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.920 schools in four years, you know, so everybody's going to 1197 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:21.360 try to go to where the best deal is. And 1198 00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:22.960 that's a sad thing, right And you know, I've been 1199 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:26.360 a high school coach for you know, thirty plus years. 1200 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.960 I love the development part and the long term relationship 1201 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.840 that you've been able to get with the athlete. Man, 1202 00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:36.039 that's going by the wayside. That's going by the wayside 1203 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.320 because even the high school kids are transferring after one 1204 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:38.920 and two years. 1205 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.519 So if you had any advice, if we have parents 1206 00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.000 listening to the show who have a young promising football player, 1207 00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:47.480 what advice would you give them? 1208 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.119 If you're as good as if the kids as good 1209 00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.440 as as as everybody says he is he has, he 1210 00:59:56.559 --> 01:00:00.239 would be okay where he's at. You know, he's They're 1211 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.239 gonna find them the way recruiting is right now, and 1212 01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:05.960 they find those guys they you know, you know, each 1213 01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.239 each division won or pe for school. They got paid 1214 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:10.960 a lot of money just to find the best players 1215 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.079 out there. So I mean, be careful not to you 1216 01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.360 not to just jump and run, you know. I mean, 1217 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.360 we develop, you know, that's that's my thing. Developed and 1218 01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.400 get better where you're at, you know now if it's 1219 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.320 you know, obviously I can't speak for everybody, but geez, 1220 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:29.079 you know, you're just you're just telling people that, hey, 1221 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.280 things get hard, you're gonna up and go, you know. 1222 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:33.360 So I don't know if that helps your recruiting that 1223 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.519 much too, you know, so, but I would tell them 1224 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:39.679 to they make sure you surround yourself with good people 1225 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:43.119 that you trust, that have the best interest in mind, 1226 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.800 you know. And I meet with a lot of parents, say, 1227 01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.440 a lot of people come to me and I tell them, hey, 1228 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.000 the landscape of the high school recruiting is different now, 1229 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.400 and so you need to learn how to manage it. 1230 01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.320 You know, they're gonna have to learn how to deal 1231 01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.440 with it. And so if you're in a position, if 1232 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.199 I'm a parent and I got a good kid, maybe 1233 01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:05.199 I try to learn how to be a negotiator myself, 1234 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.000 you know, because you got other services out there that 1235 01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:11.239 are available. You know you got to pay money for those. 1236 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:14.719 But you know that's up to you obviously. But you know, 1237 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:16.960 no one loves their kids more than their parents. So 1238 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:21.559 I always encouraged parents study, study the game, learn, learn 1239 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.400 about it. You know, if you're in a position to 1240 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:24.719 do it, then go in. 1241 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:25.079 And do it. 1242 01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:27.760 It's not then reach reach out to other services that 1243 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.559 you have trust in and see if they can help you. 1244 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:33.119 All right, I'm up for so you lose one more 1245 01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.000 time all poly Sports camp. Tell us the dates, tell 1246 01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:37.760 us the location, all the good stuff you want our 1247 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:38.360 listeners to know. 1248 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.480 The Rising Star Camp is going to be June seventeenth. Now, 1249 01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.880 the one unique thing about the Writing Star Camp, going 1250 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.599 back to the recruiting conversation, is right now, we got 1251 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.400 to target these kids as every as we possibly can. 1252 01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.280 So we hope to identify some of the top players 1253 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:58.159 in the country in the grade seven, eight to nine 1254 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.280 at this year's camp. So, but that's it's going to 1255 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.960 be June seventeenth. June eighteenth is our college prospect camp. 1256 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.159 We're excited to get kids that come down and you 1257 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.760 know and let me because again one percent are going 1258 01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:14.559 to get the offers. The other ninety nine you need 1259 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:16.360 to be at the All poly Camping friends of the 1260 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.360 twenty five different colleges there so you can showcase. 1261 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:20.599 So there you go. 1262 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.000 Well you go, Thank you, my friend. I appreciate the time. 1263 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:24.400 Best of luck and reach out if you need. 1264 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.960 Okay, thank you, have a great date. 1265 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:27.239 All right? 1266 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.719 Let me tell the website is allpolysports dot com. That's 1267 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:34.719 all polysports dot com. As you as an Alemma reference 1268 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:38.639 the dates. Rising Stars camp will be June seventeenth at 1269 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:42.639 Lone Peak Park in Sandy and then the College Prospects 1270 01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.440 twenty twenty five camp the next day at June twenty eighth, 1271 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:46.679 also at Lone Peak Park. 1272 01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:50.039 You get deals with early registration. Oh you know what 1273 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:51.960 that has ended. Nevermind, you still get. 1274 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.559 Deals right now as opposed to just walking up the 1275 01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:55.239 day of the camp. 1276 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:56.639 So check it out. 1277 01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:59.719 All polysports dot com is the website where you can 1278 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:00.599 get all the information. 1279 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:01.280 All right. 1280 01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.159 Tim McMahon is going to join us coming up next. 1281 01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.280 Tim just released a piece on the Dallas Mavericks. According 1282 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.039 to Tim sources, and Tim would know, Dallas will not 1283 01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.360 be trading the number one overall pick and they are 1284 01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.239 going to draft themselves a young man named Cooper flag 1285 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.519 Elema stop spot today courtesy of our friends at the 1286 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:19.880 Daybreak Home and Gardens Show, which coming up May the 1287 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.679 sixteenth through the eighteenth. It's the Ballpark at America First 1288 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:26.800 Square one one one one one. That's a great address. 1289 01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.000 Ballpark drive in South Jordan. Check out the Best Home 1290 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:32.960 Show dot com is their website, So listen up, Palm owners. 1291 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:35.039 Spring is in the air, the birds are chirping, the 1292 01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:38.360 flowers are blooming. Is your home or backyard sanctuary ready 1293 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.800 to enjoy the coming season? Go check out the new 1294 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:44.159 Daybreak Home and Garden Show coming to the Ballpark at 1295 01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.599 America First Square May the sixteenth through the eighteenth. Note 1296 01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:49.920 this new show will have something for every family member, 1297 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.480 so check it out. Vendors galore, home garden and patio, 1298 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.800 free games for the kids, free day seminars, and hourly 1299 01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:58.239 free prizes. Come toward the exciting new tidy home from 1300 01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.320 box House and tour the new Bee's ball Park. 1301 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:01.320 You can get your tickets now. 1302 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.440 It's gonna be the most exciting, fun educational home show 1303 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.679 ever in Daybreak. Get tickets and information at the Best 1304 01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:11.480 homeshow dot Com, sponsored by our friends at Bullfrog Spot's. 1305 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.599 Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your 1306 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:17.440 NBA Daily assists. 1307 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:27.760 Van McMahon, Vancman that is ding old Land, Texas flood tickets. 1308 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:36.639 Mud He's and Manvan McMahon, Van mcman The man. 1309 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:47.199 Man. 1310 01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:54.079 All right, Richard Smith about a half hour from now. Smith, 1311 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.719 he spent forty years with Utah Jazz front office. He's 1312 01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.239 already here and he is about to take me to 1313 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.400 task for my opinion last year that the Jazz were 1314 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.960 doing the right thing tanking for their lottery luck. 1315 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.400 But our next guest, you know. 1316 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.400 Him, you love him, timmick Man, Tuesday afternoon. All right, Tim, 1317 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.199 the whole thing is rigged. The whole thing is fixed. 1318 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:15.159 The Jazz did the right thing. Yeah, they fell to five. 1319 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.840 How are you, buddy, party partner. I know it's a 1320 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:22.800 gloomy day in Salt Lake City. I'm in Oklahoma City. 1321 01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:24.480 It didn't work out the way they wanted to either, 1322 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.920 with the Philly Pick moving up into the top three, 1323 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:31.599 So Dotter Oak get their hands number seventh. My hometown's 1324 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:33.760 excited though they liked the way that lottery worked out. 1325 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.599 Old mav has just falling ass backwards into the number 1326 01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:40.760 one overall pick. After months after dinner traded generational talent, 1327 01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:44.360 here's a gift of another one. So yeah, you know, 1328 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:49.400 I can imagine that you folks are a little bit 1329 01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:50.280 perturbed right now. 1330 01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:54.400 It is literally rainy and like forty eight degrees, so 1331 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.960 it is cloudy, it is cold. It is perfect for 1332 01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:01.239 what today has brought with our local basketball fans. 1333 01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:04.239 But tim, let me, I mean, look, obviously I'm being facetious. 1334 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:08.039 You know, what happened last night, ironically was the most 1335 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:10.719 likely outcome for the Jazz about a forty eight percent 1336 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:13.400 chance to get that number five pick. It's called a 1337 01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.960 lottery for a reason. But of course it is kind 1338 01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.320 of a ride of passage for an NBA fan base 1339 01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:21.840 that feels like they've been screwed to scream foul. So 1340 01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:25.079 for Jazz fans that believe the fixes in what do 1341 01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:25.880 you have to say? 1342 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.679 I mean, I'm not going to get into conspiracy theory stuff. 1343 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:33.039 I believe there are two Salt Lake City based reporters 1344 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:35.679 that were in the lottery drawing room. I would invite 1345 01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:38.679 you to read the coverage of Andy B. Larson and 1346 01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:40.880 Sarah Todd. I mean, I'm pretty sure if there was 1347 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:44.679 a conspiracy that would have screwed the Utah Jazz, I'm 1348 01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:46.679 pretty sure they would have covered it in you know, 1349 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:51.000 in their reporting. It was just what a storyline, what 1350 01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:54.800 an insane outcome, and what a bummer for the Jazz fans. 1351 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.199 Yeah, Nandy was our guest earlier on the on the show, 1352 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.239 and to your point, he was in the room and 1353 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:02.800 talk to Justin Zannak. I thought, Xana Candle it really 1354 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:05.599 well and like I said, when you look at the odds, 1355 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:08.800 what happened last night was the most likely outcome. So 1356 01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.360 before we move over to the bigger story, which is 1357 01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:13.679 what it means for the MAVs and potentially some player 1358 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:17.480 movement and such. And I am like you where when 1359 01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:19.519 it comes to who the number five pick should be, 1360 01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:22.039 I'll read Jonathan Cavoni or some of the guys at 1361 01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.360 the Athletic. So just instead of me asking you to 1362 01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:28.199 nail down a name, just what sort of value is 1363 01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:30.599 your understanding that will be there for the Jazz at five. 1364 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.480 I'm gonna look. Obviously number one is clear cut, far 1365 01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:38.840 and away the easiest decision in this draft. There's a 1366 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.760 generational talent there. I think number two seems to be 1367 01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:45.480 pretty concrete, and then things get a leal, it gets 1368 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.079 to be more in the eye of the beholder. There 1369 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:50.880 have been a lot of great players stick for the 1370 01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:52.519 fifth overall pick. There have been a lot of guys 1371 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.880 who didn't end up having star caliber careers. You know, 1372 01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:59.360 we'll see where this ends up for the Jazz. Who 1373 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.599 I should the Jazz have had to fit overall pick? 1374 01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:03.360 What Dante's in the fifth overall pick? 1375 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.119 Oh man, Yes he was Tim, Thanks for bringing that 1376 01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:07.599 up last time. The Jazz pick five. 1377 01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:10.360 It was Dante Hey, so it's the guy who's got 1378 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:12.400 an ownership shared. Dwyane Wade brooked out pretty well for 1379 01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.159 the Miami Heat, so you know, it's kind of there's 1380 01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:16.159 a wide spectrum there. 1381 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.479 Oh, for sure. Charles Barkley was the number five pick. Look, 1382 01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:21.760 you can get value at five. I mean, hell yeo, 1383 01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:23.960 GI's forty two. We could keep going down the list, 1384 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:26.960 Like while it feels like chicken little, this guy is falling. 1385 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:29.800 You never know how this stuff is going to play out. 1386 01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:32.039 So let me ask you one more Jazz question before 1387 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.560 we move on, because you hear a lot of reports 1388 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.720 and Shams himself was on television yesterday saying he is 1389 01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.800 hearing the Jazz are going to be very active and 1390 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:43.600 aggressive even if they didn't get one or two, they're 1391 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.399 going to try to move up. And you're reporting the 1392 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:48.319 MAVs have no interest in trading one, and I completely 1393 01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.279 get it. I wouldn't either, But can you illuminate our 1394 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:53.039 market out here as to whether or not you have 1395 01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:56.119 any understanding of now we know where the Jazz will draft, 1396 01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:57.640 what do you think this offseason looks like. 1397 01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.000 Well, I think this all season is going to first 1398 01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:03.840 have to there's gonna be a lot of internal discussions 1399 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:10.079 because clearly they picked a route this year and took 1400 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:14.119 a risk this year that did not have the intended reward, 1401 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.760 did not come close to the intended reward, And then 1402 01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:19.920 I think, you know, they're really going to have to 1403 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:25.840 have some serious discussions debate whatever it may be about 1404 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:30.560 whether it is a rational, irrational and and smart approach 1405 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:34.600 to basically repeat to to kind of run it back 1406 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.079 and aim for the number one overall pick again next year, 1407 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.840 or whether that's counterproductive, whether you're you know, how much 1408 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.079 damage are you doing in the developmental process, all those 1409 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:49.720 kind of things. I think it's a rational approach. I 1410 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:53.920 also think it's extraordinary risky. And again the risk is 1411 01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:57.319 number one. Even for the worst record of league, the 1412 01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:00.840 most likely spot is going to be fifth. But the 1413 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:04.520 risk is also like, are you just stunning the development 1414 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.479 of the young players that you already have on board? 1415 01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:13.119 There's not. It's not like it's an easy solution here. 1416 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:14.319 They're in a tough spot. 1417 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:16.680 Yeah they are. Yeah they are. 1418 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:19.159 And we'll see what sort of magic Danny and jay 1419 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:21.840 Z can execute and hopefully give this thing turned around 1420 01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.399 prior to twenty forty five, because that's the way everybody 1421 01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:28.479 feels around here. But of course, Tim, the one team 1422 01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:32.279 that could have grabbed number one to lead the entire 1423 01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:35.760 country to scream foul was the team that grabbed number 1424 01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:38.920 one with the Dallas Mavericks. So of course you know 1425 01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.880 Dallas better than probably any media member out there. I 1426 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.279 want to know what went through your mind when you 1427 01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:47.399 saw that that was the deal and where you're at 1428 01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:49.119 with it now you know about. 1429 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:53.079 A day later, I just started cracking up, to be 1430 01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:55.600 honest with you, I'm like, you have got to be 1431 01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.239 kidding me. And you know, I've heard some people say, oh, 1432 01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.960 is this does this prove that Nigol Harrison made the 1433 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:06.960 right decision on like, folks, what this does is bailed 1434 01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:12.079 out the franchise from what appeared to be a disastrous trade. 1435 01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:14.960 And when they made that trade, the plan wasn't like, well, man, 1436 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:16.840 let's make this trade to win. A lot of the 1437 01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:19.199 plan was let's make the trade and win a championship 1438 01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:22.359 this season, which obviously didn't happen for a variety of reasons. 1439 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:28.319 And then they just fell ass backwards into unbelievably good fortune. 1440 01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.560 And you know, look if if the tanking teams, the 1441 01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:38.199 outright tankers, the full season tankers got punished and got 1442 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:40.159 you know, if Carmel was a factor there, I don't 1443 01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:42.279 see how the Manix ended up with the first overall pick. 1444 01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:46.479 But what this does is it totally bails them out 1445 01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:51.319 a fan base that was outraged, that had been apathetic, 1446 01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:55.560 It was just kind of turning toward apathy. Well, those 1447 01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:57.600 folks are going to be excited again. They're going to 1448 01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.000 be on board. They've not not just a generational talent, 1449 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:04.359 but an extraordinarily marketable talent. The long term concerns, oh, 1450 01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:09.000 you traded your pitch from twenty seven to thirty building 1451 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:11.640 around Luca, building that founcing around Luca. What happens at 1452 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:13.199 the end of this three to four year time frame, 1453 01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:15.720 Oh my goodness, we're going to be given up top three, 1454 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:18.199 top five picks. Well, I don't think you have to 1455 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.800 worry about that now. You just got a gifted, an 1456 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:25.880 eighteen year old generational talent that you can build around 1457 01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:28.600 for you know, they hope the next fifteen to twenty years. 1458 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.479 And as you reported, you know, because it was interesting, 1459 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:34.960 Like I listened to your guy Wendy last night and 1460 01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:37.800 then watch some stuff on ESPN today and there's a 1461 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:43.039 lot of speculation about what And I called this earlier today. 1462 01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:46.399 I called last night one of the most consequential nights 1463 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:48.560 literally in the in NBA history. 1464 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:49.720 And only time will tell. 1465 01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:53.000 It's the Tatum injury, it's the next getting a win, 1466 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.159 It's the lottery going down the way that it did. 1467 01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:58.880 It's maybe honest is available, maybe Boston breaks it down. 1468 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:01.479 We'll get to San Antonio at too. But you're reporting 1469 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:03.840 Dallas is not going to move off of one and 1470 01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:05.920 they are going to draft Cooper Flag. 1471 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:11.520 Yes, yes, And like I'm not sure what Nico Harrison's 1472 01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:14.319 thoughts are, to be honest with you, but I'm telling 1473 01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:18.640 you that that doesn't matter. Patrick Dumont, who just finished 1474 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:21.319 his first year as the Maths governor, who had the 1475 01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:23.800 thing blow up in his face, who was looking at 1476 01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:28.119 bleeding money for the foreseeable future, is not going to 1477 01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:33.479 entertain We thought of potentially trading this pick for one second. 1478 01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:37.279 Cooper Flag will be under Dallas Mavericks. Again, this is 1479 01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:40.319 a gift. Course, they ain't looking at the mouth. This 1480 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:46.359 solves their massive business woes. It certainly mitigates the long 1481 01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:49.720 term concerns of being out all those picks. Cooper Flag 1482 01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:50.479 will be in Dallas. 1483 01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:54.840 And I know you reference the portion of the intrawebs 1484 01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:59.079 that actually believe this was Nico Harrison playing chessnut Checkers, 1485 01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:02.479 which is beyond But let me ask you. Are MAVs 1486 01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:04.920 fans now in a place where they, I don't know, 1487 01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:06.560 don't want to show up at his house so. 1488 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:07.840 He doesn't have to have security. 1489 01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.800 Is is this completely removing the heat from Nico Harrison 1490 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:15.640 as it pertains the way MAVs fans are feeling today. 1491 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:19.600 I you know, I don't think that it solves his 1492 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:25.359 relationship with the the fan base, but it does solve 1493 01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:29.079 the will people show up to you know to games 1494 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.479 next year? Will people tune in on TV to watch 1495 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:37.239 this team? Look, Nico, he put himself in a spot 1496 01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:40.119 where he's going to be the guy who backstabbed Luca. Uh, 1497 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.640 you know that's a Luke is always going to be 1498 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.520 beloved in Dallas. I don't know that fans are going 1499 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.760 to you know, they're they're they're not going to be uh, 1500 01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:51.079 they're you know, they're they're not going to be chanting 1501 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:54.199 give Nico a raise. I can tell you that whether 1502 01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.399 there's fire Nico chance or not again next year, I 1503 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.359 can't say, but I would say this, this is a 1504 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:04.359 This is a stroke of massive luck that I do 1505 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:08.800 think will absolutely change the vibe around the franchise. And 1506 01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:13.359 what I think will happen is Nicol Harrison will no 1507 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.920 longer be a focal point for fans. 1508 01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:19.199 Fair enough, so then it gets interesting it too with 1509 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:20.039 san Antonio. 1510 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:23.199 And you know, everything I read about Dylan Harper and 1511 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:26.199 everything I've watched about Dylan Harper indicates that he's gonna 1512 01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:26.920 he has a chance. 1513 01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:27.359 To be really good. 1514 01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:29.359 Now, these are all young players, and you never know 1515 01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:32.840 how it's gonna work out. San Antonio, you know, at 1516 01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:36.079 this point is in a really really advantageous spot because 1517 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.720 of all of the assets they have not just now 1518 01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:41.800 and moving forward, and some really exciting young players, and 1519 01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:46.359 you know, does Dylan Harper provide some redundancy after acquiring 1520 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:50.439 Daron Fox? And you have Stefan Castle like they san Antonio. 1521 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:52.039 I mean, Dallas is the clear winner. 1522 01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:54.680 But san Antonio comes out of this once again in 1523 01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:57.279 a really great spot. Of course, the conversation turns to 1524 01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:00.159 Giannis and anyone else that could be available. When you 1525 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.399 put Giannis next to whem Yama, it feels like it's 1526 01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:03.479 completely unfair. 1527 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:05.560 But what do you think the Spurs do it too. 1528 01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:07.520 Well? 1529 01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:12.600 You know, miss Johnson now they're head coach. Uh talked 1530 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:14.680 to the media last night and he's the way he 1531 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:16.880 phrased it was that puts them in position to make 1532 01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:19.600 a really big acquisition. I thought that was a very 1533 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.880 interesting phrase. And I definitely think that they've got you know, 1534 01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.359 they've got two lout picks too, and what is it fourteen? 1535 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:29.920 I believe you know, they've got young talent on some 1536 01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.319 of that young talents on its second contract. So there's 1537 01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:35.680 the you know, they've got plenty of flexibility and assets. 1538 01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:39.000 They've got extra picks down the road to Atlantis, which 1539 01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:43.560 has some value, some significant value. I think the second 1540 01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:46.840 of all pick is absolutely in play. Now it's not 1541 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:48.520 in play for anybody. I think it's in play for 1542 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:52.840 Gianness and you know, the honest wim be Fit, Holy moly, boy, 1543 01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:56.920 like for all the reasons brook Lopez and Jiannis. You 1544 01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:01.000 know brook Lopez is complimented Jannis so well, Wimby does 1545 01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:04.760 that we has a superstar skills package, like are you 1546 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:05.319 kidding me? 1547 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:06.439 Weird? 1548 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.680 Defensively you want to try to score on the battanem 1549 01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.800 and then offensively, you know, Winby can space it out 1550 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:16.119 to thirty open it up for you, honest, and then 1551 01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:18.439 also have the ability to be a go to guy, 1552 01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:21.560 Like if that happens, it could be pretty being scary. 1553 01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:24.520 So the other teams that I've heard and I've heard 1554 01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:28.079 you guys talk about this on the collective, Houston, of course, 1555 01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:30.960 that had a great regular season, advanced to the postseason 1556 01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:33.720 probably ahead of schedule for most certainly for me. And 1557 01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.000 then Oklahoma City, which of course is going to be 1558 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:37.840 in the mix because of all the assets they have 1559 01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:40.199 and all the great young players they have. So does 1560 01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:43.199 this feel like Milwaukee can just kind of sit back 1561 01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:45.720 and say, make us your best offer, and a bidding 1562 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:47.079 war could ensue for Giannis. 1563 01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.880 Well, I think that Jannis is going to have significance, 1564 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:56.119 say on where he goes, and I think that there 1565 01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:59.640 was an understanding when he signed this last extension if 1566 01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:05.720 it just that point that they wouldn't they wouldn't trade 1567 01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:10.800 him without giving him some say. My anticipation is number one, 1568 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.319 we don't know for certain that you honest is gonna 1569 01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:16.239 ask to be moved, But should he do so, I 1570 01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:19.880 think he will give them a probably a very short list, 1571 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.600 and I think the Bucks will respect his wishes and 1572 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:25.479 operate off that list. And you know, we'll see maybe 1573 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:27.119 those teams that you just mentioned are on the list, 1574 01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:29.920 and then they you know, it does become the highest 1575 01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:34.479 bitder type of situation. I would tell you this. I 1576 01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:40.359 think it is ill advised to assume that Oklahoma City Thunder, 1577 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:44.560 the Oklahoma City Thunder will be involved here. They could 1578 01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:47.880 if they could be right. They obviously have the assets. 1579 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:53.279 But I number one, okay See might be you know, 1580 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:57.359 about a month away from a parade in Bricktown, but 1581 01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:01.239 I will be surprised if oka See makes a core 1582 01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:05.159 altering trade this summer. I could be wrong not guaranteeing 1583 01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:07.319 it doesn't that happen. I would be surprised. 1584 01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:11.119 So the Tatum news, which became official about an hour ago, 1585 01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:13.000 and it just it's it sucks. 1586 01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.159 I mean, entering the prime of a. 1587 01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:18.279 Career that's already been incredibly successful and he was so 1588 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.159 good at the Garden before going down with a couple 1589 01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:23.960 of minutes left. You know, Mark Spears today said something 1590 01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:26.760 that was interesting that he was told based off of 1591 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.840 new ownership in Boston, based off of payroll next year 1592 01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:33.600 that's like two hundred and twenty four million, and you 1593 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:38.319 know second Apron, you know, economic liabilities with a punitive 1594 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:40.920 nature of the way the CBA is laid out that 1595 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:43.279 there were going to be changes in Boston anyway, and 1596 01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:47.159 now the Tatum thing probably changes the entire scope I 1597 01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:49.600 guess of the approach. Is there a chance that a 1598 01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.439 Jalen Brown is available? Is there a chance that Derek 1599 01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:53.560 White is available? 1600 01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:53.680 Like? 1601 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:56.000 What do you think happens in Boston this offseason? And 1602 01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:58.439 who are the players that could potentially get involved? You 1603 01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:00.479 grab maybe some of the pieces they decide the shed. 1604 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:04.439 Yeah, it's been pretty well understood throughout the league that 1605 01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:06.319 this up is We're going to make some sort of 1606 01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:11.359 cost cutting move this summer. Drew Holiday, frankly, is the 1607 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.039 one that I've heard most often as the possibility. Obviously, 1608 01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:17.920 when you're looking at age, that makes sense, but you 1609 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:21.800 know whether it's him, whether it's you know, Porzingis, whether 1610 01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:26.000 it's Janson Brown would be the most surprised to me, 1611 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:29.560 just because you know of the age, but he's biggest 1612 01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.399 contract out of the non Tatum guys. What this does 1613 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:35.520 is basically what Boston is not going to repeat champions 1614 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:41.600 probably knocks them out of real contention next year, but 1615 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:43.399 they're still going to have a chance to contend the 1616 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:47.680 championships during the Tatum during the Tatum era, he's twenty seven, 1617 01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:50.920 just turned twenty seven. She has to enter in his prime. 1618 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.960 The medical technology is better than it's ever been, you know. 1619 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:58.239 Kevin Durant is kind of exhibit a of just how 1620 01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.159 strong guys can come back from it Achilles these days, 1621 01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:04.359 and he's going to be six foot time, you know, 1622 01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:08.720 with a great NBA body, with extraordinarily skill. I don't 1623 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:12.039 think Jason Tatum's days is a superstar done by any stretch, 1624 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:15.640 but this is obviously a massive blow to the Celtics 1625 01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:20.399 over the next you know, two playoff cycles, and there's 1626 01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:22.399 going to be big changed at Boston roster. 1627 01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:26.119 Now to your earlier point, a lot of the offseason 1628 01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:28.880 will be colored by the remainder of the postseason, which 1629 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:32.560 leads me to Cleveland. And I suppose if you're Cleveland, 1630 01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:35.319 you can say, well, Darius wasn't right, we lost DeAndre 1631 01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:38.800 Hunter and Evan Mobley, and you know, you can lean 1632 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:42.479 back on the injury stuff and the health stuff because 1633 01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:46.119 by every metric, they had a historic regular season. Donovan 1634 01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:48.800 Mitchell knows a thing or two about having historic regular seasons, 1635 01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:50.279 and it looks like he is about to go home 1636 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:53.680 again after the second round. Is there a pivot in Cleveland? 1637 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:55.319 Do they look at these four and say, maybe it 1638 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:56.880 doesn't work or are they going to run it back? 1639 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:02.479 I would wade draw on them running it back. You 1640 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:04.800 know they obviously they didn't hit it last year and 1641 01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:08.840 changed coaches. But from our officer standpoint, they didn't pivot 1642 01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:13.119 last season. You know, I don't. I don't think you 1643 01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:16.119 can just chalk this uping with other's entries and whatnot. Like, look, 1644 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:18.319 it looks like they're going to exit in the second round. 1645 01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:20.760 That's a massive disappointment given the success they had in 1646 01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:24.439 the regular season, which raises the standard. I think you've 1647 01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.960 got to give it at least another year and say, hey, 1648 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:30.800 they showed during the regular season, this can be a 1649 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.680 contending caliber team. Didn't happen like you wanted to in 1650 01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:38.199 the playoffs, but let's give this group another year, especially 1651 01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:41.520 a group where you know, I think there's reasonable belief 1652 01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:45.439 that Evan Mobley will continue to grow and develop and 1653 01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:48.960 evolve as a player, and you know that there's a 1654 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:50.439 lot more upside to be had there. 1655 01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:53.079 Are you ready to say that it's Indiana and New 1656 01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:54.600 York and Eastern Conference Finals? 1657 01:22:57.119 --> 01:22:59.680 I mean, certainly that's where I would put my bets. 1658 01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:03.000 How's that for going on all in with those teams 1659 01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:05.800 up three to one and they're being injury issues on 1660 01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:08.000 the teams that are down three to one. I mean, 1661 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:10.199 it would be shocking at this point. And it's funny 1662 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:12.439 because if it ask them going in this series, I 1663 01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:16.159 how to laugh at the possibility. But it's it certainly 1664 01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:19.520 looks like that's what we're looking at. Middie Miller, you know, 1665 01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:22.920 get all the old Regi Miller clips out Regi Miller 1666 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:24.840 versus Spike Lee and all that stuff. It looks like 1667 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:25.920 we're gonna get a repeat that. 1668 01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:26.800 I'm with you. 1669 01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:29.239 No part of me ever thought, you know, and mostly 1670 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.680 it was because of how much I respected Boston. But 1671 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.840 things have changed, and so we'll see how it plays out. 1672 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.119 We'll end with the game you're on tonight. But before 1673 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:38.960 we get there, you know, I felt like Golden State 1674 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:41.800 just needed to get one. You ball, Steph was on 1675 01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:44.039 the sideline, and now it just kind of feels like, 1676 01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:46.119 I don't know if it's possible for them to get 1677 01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:48.520 Steph back and what's realistic to expect. But do you 1678 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:50.600 think they closed it out going back to the Twin Cities? 1679 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.560 I would think so. I mean, without staff is just 1680 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:58.600 a struggle for the Warriors to score. The thunder Wolves 1681 01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:02.079 are obviously playing with an extreme amount of confidence. And 1682 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.800 you know, according to esp and research, when Rudy Gobert 1683 01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:08.880 has a close that opportunity against the guy who's made 1684 01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:13.319 a point of humiliating and during this postseason, he averages 1685 01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:15.680 twenty seven points to twenty four rebounds, So look out. 1686 01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.800 Dray mom Well said, all right, what do you think 1687 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:19.439 happens tonight? 1688 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:24.600 This Nuggets Okay series, OKAC series has been awesome and 1689 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:26.760 I don't even know which way to lean at this point. Tim, 1690 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:28.960 So where are you at with this series? And how 1691 01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:30.960 do you think tonight plays out? Before I set you loose? 1692 01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:34.520 Well, it's been an awesome competition. The game four, honestly 1693 01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:36.960 was awful to watch, So let's not lie. That's I'm 1694 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:39.319 sitting there watching that thing in person, and my eyeballs 1695 01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:42.880 are still aching. And it's a really tough spot for 1696 01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:46.479 the Nuggets, man. Honestly, the silver lining for them is 1697 01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:49.880 they were able to salvage a win during this stretch. 1698 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:53.880 Has been the worst shooting three game one of Nukoleok's career, 1699 01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:58.399 and look, man, jokers capable of coming out tonight and 1700 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:01.399 getting you know, going to forty to fourteen and fourteen 1701 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:05.319 or whatever. He's that good. He's that great. But man, 1702 01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:08.840 they're playing him tough. But Te's back for the Nuggets. 1703 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:12.920 They're not deep, They're an older team. Eight games, fifteen nights. 1704 01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:16.199 It's a really, really tough spot for Denver against a 1705 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.920 team that won sixty eight games and best point difference 1706 01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:21.319 from NBA history and goes ten deep by the start 1707 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:22.520 of every second quarter. 1708 01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:26.439 Yeah, No, it's wild how many guys they have. They 1709 01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:28.720 can play high level. All right, enjoy the game. Great 1710 01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:29.800 work today and we'll chat soon. 1711 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:31.800 Thanks him, Appreciate you well. 1712 01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:34.720 McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN. 1713 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:38.039 He technically is the ESPN guy on the Jazz Beats, 1714 01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:40.920 But the past couple of years it's not a lot 1715 01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:43.640 to talk about with the Jazz. Rough day man, no 1716 01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:45.960 other way to put it. And Richard Smith is going 1717 01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:48.159 to join us live in studio smid. He spent forty 1718 01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:50.640 years with Utah Jazz, and he is going to take 1719 01:25:50.720 --> 01:25:53.359 me to task for my opinion that the Jazz we're 1720 01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:55.880 doing the right thing by losing games this year. Tim 1721 01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:58.439 spots stop spot today, excuse me. Courtesy of my friends 1722 01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:02.039 at Cortland Roofing, roofing and roof repair experts with over 1723 01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:04.840 twenty years of experience their family owned and operated call 1724 01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:08.239 Courtland Roofing today to get a free to get free 1725 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:10.399 rain gutters with any roof replacement. 1726 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:12.039 You save thousands of dollars. 1727 01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:14.439 So if you're getting close to needing that roof replaced, 1728 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.039 you can get free rain gutters with any roof replacement 1729 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:19.439 with our friends at Cortland Roofing, So give them a 1730 01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:21.840 call at eight oh one six one five five six 1731 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.359 five five six zero eight oh one six one five 1732 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:27.439 five five six zero eight oh one six one five 1733 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:31.039 five five six zero or online at Cortland roofine dot com. 1734 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.439 Because the fans are used to coming to a game, 1735 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:37.680 no matter what it is, their son's high school game 1736 01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:40.680 or the college game, whoever it is, and trying to 1737 01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:45.720 watch your team put best it's best foot forward to 1738 01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:48.720 try and win the game you're playing. And the Jazz 1739 01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:51.039 didn't do that this year. Obviously, they held out guys 1740 01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:53.920 who were healthy. They got fined along the way by 1741 01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:58.000 the NBA for doing that. It's just it's just not 1742 01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:01.600 a very good look to me for any organization that 1743 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:04.079 puts themselves in that position. They're not the only ones 1744 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:07.039 who were doing it, you know, several other teams were 1745 01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:09.479 in that same kind of race, and the Jazz happened 1746 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:12.720 to win it by getting the worst record. So we'll 1747 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:16.159 see what happens on May twelfth when the lottery balls 1748 01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:19.920 come up and see how that plays out for them. 1749 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.720 Awesome dynamite analysis. I'm not sure who that was. It 1750 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:24.920 sounded like Richard Smith. 1751 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:28.840 Well May twelfth, came and went yesterday, and the lottery 1752 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:32.560 balls did not fall in the favor of the Utah Jazz. 1753 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:35.119 Now, I will remind you the Jazz ended. 1754 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:36.760 Up with a pick that they were most likely to 1755 01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:40.359 get based off the percentages, even though the reaction from 1756 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:42.560 folks around here is that the whole thing is rigged 1757 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:44.560 and the fixes in. But Richard Smith is live in 1758 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:48.800 studio during the four o'clock hour. My goodness, Smitty, one 1759 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:51.600 of the most truly one of the most consequential nights 1760 01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:53.479 that the NBA has had in a long time for 1761 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:54.479 several reasons. 1762 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.560 But of course we'll start with your reaction to the 1763 01:27:57.720 --> 01:27:58.439 Utah Jazz. 1764 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.239 I'll say, falling to five, they could not fall any 1765 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:03.600 further than five, but they fell as far as they could. 1766 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:05.439 Where you at with it today, Yeah. 1767 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:09.640 Well that's that's uh, that's what the numbers of your mathematician. 1768 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:13.920 That's what you would expect, you know, would most probably happen. 1769 01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:16.640 Of course, you and I have bantered about this all 1770 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:19.880 all season long, Spence, and and you were in the 1771 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:23.880 tank group. No, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just 1772 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:27.199 reviewing what the facts are. And you know, people can 1773 01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:30.039 take it for what they will you know, I've I've 1774 01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:33.439 said all along and I'm not saying this in any 1775 01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:35.760 way to pat myself on the back or anything, but 1776 01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:39.239 I'm not just I just can't get on board with 1777 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.960 the whole idea that you try and manipulate the system, or, 1778 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:45.239 in my opinion the way I view it, you try 1779 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:48.279 and game the system to try and get an artificial 1780 01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:54.039 advantage for something that's that's a professional sport where people 1781 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:56.840 are paid a lot of money and trained to try 1782 01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:00.279 and perform at the highest level that they can in 1783 01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:03.399 the night out and the jazz obviously, you know, we're 1784 01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:07.279 we're in a in a situation where they didn't play 1785 01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.000 healthy players and they wanted to be in the position 1786 01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:14.279 they were in last night. And then I don't know 1787 01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:18.119 if it's karma. I don't know if it's you know, 1788 01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:22.159 you the old Jerry Sloan saying that most of the 1789 01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:26.640 time in life you get what you earn, and you know, 1790 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.359 but you know a part of me, you know, I 1791 01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:32.600 feel bad because I'm a jazz guy, and uh, I 1792 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:34.319 want them to do well. And I have a lot 1793 01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:37.239 of friends who still work there and and work hard 1794 01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:39.439 and try and do the right thing and all that 1795 01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:44.079 but last night was was a telling tale that that 1796 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:49.760 you can't you know, just somehow manipulate these things to 1797 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.319 to put yourself in in a winning advantage and and 1798 01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:57.159 and some somewhere in that spence, for me on a 1799 01:29:57.239 --> 01:30:01.159 personal level, it just feels like, you know, this is 1800 01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:04.479 this is what happened can happen to you when you 1801 01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:08.560 try and and and not do what most people would 1802 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.840 consider the right thing, or to do it to the 1803 01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.920 best of your ability, and and then you get something 1804 01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:17.760 like what happened last night. 1805 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:20.199 Well, and to your point, and maybe it's time to 1806 01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:23.720 start thinking about this a little differently. My assertion, uh 1807 01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:28.079 continues to be that the Utah Jazz have to find 1808 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:31.199 a franchise pillar that wants to stay here for a while. 1809 01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:33.920 And if we're honest, we haven't had that since John 1810 01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:34.319 and Carl. 1811 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:36.960 We thought we added with Gordon, we thought we added 1812 01:30:37.000 --> 01:30:38.800 with Darren, we thought we added with Donovan. 1813 01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:42.159 How do they find that? Smitty, Well, what do you do? Well, 1814 01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:42.960 that's always a trick. 1815 01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:45.079 And and and the NBA the way it's set up, 1816 01:30:45.119 --> 01:30:48.399 spencing the collective Bargain agreement, and and we've we've we've 1817 01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:51.479 talked about this before and and Gordon Hayward and and 1818 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:55.399 uh is the perfect, a textbook example of how the 1819 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:59.119 system is set up to work, and that is that 1820 01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:03.000 we've If you draft a guy and you develop him, 1821 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.840 and you like him, and he's your guy, you know, 1822 01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:09.319 for the long term at least that's what you plan for, 1823 01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:14.560 the team has control of that player basically for the 1824 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:17.039 first half of their career. In other words, if you 1825 01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:20.800 like him and he's developing the way you want and 1826 01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:25.319 you're building with him or around him, and you want 1827 01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:28.720 to keep him long term, the team has control of 1828 01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:31.760 him for a minimum of seven years. In other words, 1829 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:35.119 you got the four year rookie contract, and then he 1830 01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:38.359 becomes a restricted free agent, so you as a ball 1831 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:41.520 club have the right to match any outside offer he 1832 01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.760 might get in order to retain him. So he doesn't 1833 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:49.000 have any say in reality about where he plays the 1834 01:31:49.119 --> 01:31:54.119 first seven years of his contract. The back half of 1835 01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:58.720 the contract. Now the player controls where he wants to go. 1836 01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:01.760 And that's exactly what Gordon Hayward did. He was here 1837 01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:04.920 seven years, he had the player option for the eighth year, 1838 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:08.000 he opted out. He got to choose where he wanted 1839 01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:10.239 to go, and he went off to Boston and obviously 1840 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:14.479 then then to Charlotte and and finished his career. Okay, see, 1841 01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:18.560 but that's that's that's how it's set up to be. So, 1842 01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:22.159 you know, a team like last night, you know, Dallas 1843 01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:25.199 ends up winning the lottery a two percent chance to 1844 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:29.119 do it. That means they had basically two out of 1845 01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:32.239 one hundred chants to get it, and they got it. 1846 01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:36.000 And so okay, that's why, as I've heard you mentioned before, 1847 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:40.039 that's why they call it a lottery. And so they 1848 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.560 got the lottery ticket and they won it, and so 1849 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:45.800 Dallas will have the chance for the whoever they the 1850 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:49.800 presumptive number one pick. Everyone's assuming it's it's a Cooper flag. 1851 01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:53.199 And if we make that assumption, they will have the 1852 01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:57.520 control of a player like him for at least a 1853 01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:01.359 minimum of seven years that they can play. And of 1854 01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:03.600 course they try and get him in the system and 1855 01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:06.319 get him to love them and blah blah blah, so 1856 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:10.359 that you end up with a you know, hopefully John 1857 01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:13.560 Stockton or a Carl Malone type thing where you got 1858 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:17.239 the guy for fifteen or seventeen years or whatever if 1859 01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:17.960 it works out. 1860 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:18.640 But it doesn't. 1861 01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.960 Usually it doesn't work out like that. It usually works 1862 01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.520 against you. But one of the things I wanted to 1863 01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:27.720 mention Spence along with that. I don't know how you 1864 01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:31.279 felt about this, but I'm watching the program last night 1865 01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:37.319 and I was I found myself somewhat offended by or 1866 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:43.359 embarrassed by the way the league had all these players 1867 01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:48.000 at the at the at this lottery, all the so 1868 01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:52.399 called top pick players, and they paraded them out, and 1869 01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:55.680 they had some of them in interviews before Hey, what 1870 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:57.359 do you think about the Lonny? What do you think 1871 01:33:57.399 --> 01:33:59.640 you're the two kids from Rutgers? What do you think 1872 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:01.920 about kid? What do you think about yourself? You know, 1873 01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:04.960 you know whatever? And all I could think of the 1874 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:09.239 whole time was has any did anybody watch the NFL draft? 1875 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:12.560 Did anybody pay any attention to all the stuff that 1876 01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:15.479 was going on with Shador Sanders And he's supposed to 1877 01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:18.119 be a top five pick and he ends up going 1878 01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:21.319 on the third day, And how embarrassing that was for 1879 01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:24.560 him and everybody else who was saying he's gonna be 1880 01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:27.560 a top five guy. And hear the NBA of parading 1881 01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:29.720 these guys. And now they bring Cooper fly to the 1882 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:33.159 to the table after the draft, and there every one 1883 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:36.199 of the guys on the table asked him a question 1884 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:41.159 directly about being a member of the Dallas Mavericks. And 1885 01:34:41.279 --> 01:34:43.880 I'm sitting there going, did did I miss something? Was 1886 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.920 the draft tonight? Because I thought the draft was in 1887 01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:50.119 six weeks. I mean, there's so much that can happen 1888 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:54.800 between now and June twenty sixth. And we presume that 1889 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:58.640 they're gonna keep the pick. We presume they're gonna take 1890 01:34:58.680 --> 01:35:01.720 Cooper flag, but a lot of things can happen. 1891 01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:02.760 Spence. 1892 01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:09.000 Item A on the table is Yannis, and Yanna says, 1893 01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:12.119 you know, maybe I'll look at some other stuff and whatever, now, 1894 01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:15.399 you know. And I'm surprised I didn't read anything today 1895 01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:18.680 where anybody said, oh, would if you were put in 1896 01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:22.880 the position, would you trade the number one pick right 1897 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:24.159 now for Yannis? 1898 01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:26.000 Would you do that? 1899 01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:29.399 As an organization? You know, Like, I'm surprised nobody said that, 1900 01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:33.800 because you know, Yannis is a real guy. He's already 1901 01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:37.520 proven he's a real guy, and he's in his prime. 1902 01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:41.600 And you're telling me, you know, teams wouldn't look and go, well, 1903 01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:44.119 wait a minute, now, I'm going to take an eighteen 1904 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:48.720 year old kid from college, or I can have Yannis 1905 01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:52.279 in his prime to go with my group because my 1906 01:35:52.520 --> 01:35:54.760 job is to try and see if I can get 1907 01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:57.359 us to a championship level. 1908 01:35:57.560 --> 01:35:58.720 Like, I mean, I don't know. 1909 01:35:58.960 --> 01:36:01.600 I think it's just that's an interesting question to me. 1910 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.439 But I even heard that, And that's because everybody on 1911 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:09.279 the broadcast I was doing the whole broadcast aimed at 1912 01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:13.640 Cooper flag is number one, and he's going, whoever gets 1913 01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:17.199 number one, and that's it, and we're all in on it, 1914 01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.079 and his parents are there, and everybody's sitting there, and 1915 01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:24.079 I'm going, does somebody have Deon Sanders number? Because somebody 1916 01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:26.319 should call him and say, hey, how is this for 1917 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:30.359 you guys? When it didn't happen on the first day 1918 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:32.960 of the draft, and then it didn't happen on the 1919 01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:35.439 second day of the I mean, I just thought that 1920 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:36.560 was I don't know. 1921 01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:37.680 I know it's TV. 1922 01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:41.159 I know they're doing it for TV, but I just 1923 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:44.760 I thought that was so egregious by the NBA making 1924 01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:49.399 all these presumptions about what they think is already going 1925 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:52.000 to take place six weeks from now. 1926 01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:55.840 For some reason, I just found that at a little distasteful. 1927 01:36:55.960 --> 01:36:59.560 Well, it's a good angle to take because you've been 1928 01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:03.239 part of rooms for a number of different years, namely 1929 01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:05.840 four decades, where you do have to make decisions, and 1930 01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:08.560 sometimes the decisions you make are completely counter to what 1931 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:11.239 everyone on the on the outside looking in believes is 1932 01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:11.800 going to happen. 1933 01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:12.000 Now. 1934 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:15.359 Tim McMahon, it was our guest last hour, wrote a 1935 01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:18.159 piece for the dot com side. It also is ESPN, 1936 01:37:18.159 --> 01:37:21.520 who's a partner with the NBA, of course, quoting Patrick 1937 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:24.079 Demond saying we're not trading one and we are taking 1938 01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:24.680 Cooper Flag. 1939 01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:29.039 But the reason why I like this angle is, look. 1940 01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:32.399 Man, I can read all of the Jonathan Gavoni mock 1941 01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:35.079 drafts I want, and I can read all the guys 1942 01:37:35.159 --> 01:37:38.079 over at the Athletic do a really good job. You know, 1943 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.640 there are a lot of really good NBA writers who 1944 01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:43.279 cover the draft and scouts who dig into this in 1945 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.119 a way that I just don't day to day because 1946 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:46.800 I have four hours of radio to do, so I 1947 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:52.119 do lean on them, and you know, ultimately, at least 1948 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:55.359 Gavoni has been very consistent that the order is Cooper flag. 1949 01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:57.920 Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey and VJ. 1950 01:37:58.039 --> 01:38:01.880 Edgecombe and gavoni assertion is if you have one of 1951 01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:04.800 the top four picks in this draft. You have a 1952 01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:07.560 chance to draft the player that should be very special 1953 01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:10.199 for you for a long time. But I feel like 1954 01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:13.000 I hear that every year and then there's a Kawhi 1955 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:15.680 mid first round or even Steph goes seven and Steph 1956 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:16.600 is generational. 1957 01:38:16.680 --> 01:38:18.840 The best player in the world was the second round pick. 1958 01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:21.720 So for the Chicken Little Crew and saw Lake to 1959 01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:25.000 believe the sky is falling, help us understand why it 1960 01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:25.760 might not be falling. 1961 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:30.119 Well, Spencer's a couple of things. One is the Jazz 1962 01:38:30.199 --> 01:38:33.039 fell to number five, right, so they're gonna be you know, 1963 01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:36.039 they have the fifth pick. And that was also another 1964 01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:42.279 thing the Assistant commission by Commissioner. 1965 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:43.880 Martatum. 1966 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:47.960 Tatum sorry, he he kept fascilating back and forth when 1967 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:51.039 he was saying who the picks were by using the 1968 01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:57.119 phrase the number five pick will be taken by the 1969 01:38:57.279 --> 01:38:59.920 Utah Jazz, and I kept thinking, well, you don't know 1970 01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:01.960 if the Utah Jazz are going to take number five. 1971 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:05.520 The the number five pick will be going to the 1972 01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:07.680 Utah Jazz. It should be the phrase and be kept 1973 01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:09.920 going back and for that, you know, a little semantic. 1974 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:11.960 And that's that's what I spend my nights doing. That 1975 01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:14.680 was picking apart that kind of stuff. But anyway, but 1976 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:18.399 but look at this, for example, Spence the most recent 1977 01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:20.520 in the last decade, the number five picks in the 1978 01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:24.640 draft going backwards, okay, starting last year. And you can 1979 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:27.319 tell me you need jerk reaction. You like them, you 1980 01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:29.319 don't like them. They made it, they didn't make it, 1981 01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:32.800 you know whatever. The thing is, number five picks. Ron 1982 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:38.239 Holland in Detroit wildly still out, Onsar Thompson love it Detroit, 1983 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:43.560 Jade and Ivy. Yeah, by the way, straight number five 1984 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:47.680 picks in Detroit and they were That's exactly right, That's 1985 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:53.640 exactly right. Jalen Suggs in Orlando, mixed results, Isaac a carokay, 1986 01:39:53.720 --> 01:39:57.279 Cleveland not great, Darius Garland like him, Trey Young. 1987 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:00.720 I don't like Trey as much, which some people. I 1988 01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:03.520 don't hate Tree as much as something. Hey, the Aaron Fox, 1989 01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:06.560 I'd say that's a win at five. Former jazz man 1990 01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:09.319 Chris Dunn probably not the pick. 1991 01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:14.680 Marioizzonia, same thing, okay, Alex lenn this is not going 1992 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:16.359 well Smith Thomas Robinson. 1993 01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:18.840 When do we get to the Kevin Garnetts and the Trois. 1994 01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:22.880 Okay, the Marcus Cousins, Ricky Rubio. Okay. 1995 01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:27.119 So the point being, you got some hits, you got 1996 01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:31.399 some missus, Okay, at number five. That's what happens. Flip 1997 01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:35.840 it around. Okay, we're watching the playoffs now right. Here's 1998 01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:40.640 names for you of guys who are contributing, guys on 1999 01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:42.079 playoff teams. 2000 01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.439 That are still alive, which is what you want. Okay. 2001 01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:47.920 These are the guys who are still helping to drive 2002 01:40:48.039 --> 01:40:51.199 the bus at this point in time, the middle of May, 2003 01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:54.079 in the NBA playoffs, and where they were taken in 2004 01:40:54.159 --> 01:41:00.600 the draft. Jalen Brunson thirty three, YEP, Michael bridget ten, 2005 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:10.920 Peyton Pritchard twenty six, Max Struce undrafted, YEP, Podzemski nineteen, 2006 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:17.359 Jokic forty one, Rudy Gobert twenty seven, Jane McDaniels twenty eight, 2007 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:23.439 Josh Hart thirty, nas Reid undrafted. Point being what you 2008 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:28.359 can find players anywhere in the draft or even not 2009 01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:32.439 in the draft, as we just said with Struce, naz 2010 01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:36.520 Reid and former Jazz man Wesley Matthews, who had a 2011 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:40.920 terrific career being undrafted. But as an organization, you have 2012 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:44.479 to you have to be able to find them. You 2013 01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:48.520 have to evaluate them accurately. You have to value what 2014 01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:51.279 they can bring to a team, and then you have 2015 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:54.319 to make an assessment if that, if that, adding a 2016 01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:57.600 player like that to your group is going to make sense. 2017 01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:01.760 So this whole thing, you know, last everybody's disappointed. I 2018 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:02.760 was disappointed. 2019 01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:03.439 I get it. 2020 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:07.319 You know, people are jumping off the bridges and whatever, 2021 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:10.600 you know, because the Jazz didn't get the number one pick. 2022 01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:15.840 But they're going to get a good player if they 2023 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:20.960 evaluate accurately, and as always Spence, only time will tell that, 2024 01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:24.960 but they will have the opportunity amongst a handful of 2025 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:29.439 players that they like and evaluate very critically to add 2026 01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.800 someone to their group. They're also going to be picking 2027 01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:35.119 twenty one from Minnesota. At least they have the twenty 2028 01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:37.800 one pick. So you know, we just mentioned a bunch 2029 01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:44.319 of guys who were picked after twenty one. Jalen Brunson, Prichard, Struce, Jokic, 2030 01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:48.760 Rudy McDaniels, Josh Hart, and Nazreid. All those guys went 2031 01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:50.000 after twenty one. 2032 01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:50.279 Right. 2033 01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:54.680 So the point, my belabored point is you can find guys, 2034 01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:57.800 and you can find more than one guy that can 2035 01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:01.000 actually help and add to your in what you're trying 2036 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:03.760 to do, but you have to evaluate that in the 2037 01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:06.560 right frame, and you have to be able to have 2038 01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:09.720 a group that believes in what they're doing and be 2039 01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:12.880 able to go go find those guys and how to 2040 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:16.119 procure them. And that's gonna be the interesting part over 2041 01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:19.960 the next six week process between now and June twenty sixth, 2042 01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:20.960 which is the draft day. 2043 01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:23.039 Tim McMahon is on TV. He was just on our 2044 01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:25.239 show fifteen minutes ago. Look at that, all right, McMahon. 2045 01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:29.640 See see everybody tries to use you, Spence as the 2046 01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:32.960 stepping starts true, they come here, true, and then boom 2047 01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:36.800 fifteen minutes later, Doron t You won't see me doing that, Spence. 2048 01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:39.399 No, I appreciume with you. I appreciate with you. Okay, 2049 01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:41.239 Porter's using me as a step inside. 2050 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:41.680 I know this. 2051 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:44.800 I'm riding with you. I don't just run to eat. 2052 01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:48.560 Oh did you say yes, pans On Spence, Sorry, I 2053 01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:50.000 gotta go yes, yes, pans On. 2054 01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:51.479 The final I know you're lied to be all right, 2055 01:43:51.560 --> 01:43:54.119 at the risk of insulting your intelligence, here we go 2056 01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:56.840 only because you worked in the league for forty years. 2057 01:43:57.439 --> 01:43:59.920 Let me put the caveat on the question before I 2058 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:02.640 ask it. Yes that no party me believes any of 2059 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:04.800 this stuff is rigged, never have, never will. 2060 01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:08.159 But it is a rite of passage for NBA fans 2061 01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:09.920 this time of year. Who is there? 2062 01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:12.319 Who are fans of a certain team that they perceive 2063 01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:16.279 to be that they perceive got screwed. Right, So it 2064 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:19.439 ultimately depends on who you cheer for. There are no 2065 01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:22.119 Dallas Maverick fans today that believe the lottery is rigged. 2066 01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:25.199 They just believe they got lucky. San Antonio just wants 2067 01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:29.039 the lottery to continue because you know they built dynasties 2068 01:44:29.159 --> 01:44:29.920 on lottery luck. 2069 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:30.119 Right. 2070 01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:32.600 And by the way, non seculitor. 2071 01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:35.640 If there is an example that the lottery isn't rigged, 2072 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:39.279 it's that San Antonio, Texas has been the biggest beneficiar ever. Okay, 2073 01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:43.880 but for the jazz fan listeners today, that's say little 2074 01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:47.000 Salt Lake City Jazz moved down last year, the jazz 2075 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:51.119 moved down this year. Ten lottery appearances. We've never moved up. 2076 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:54.640 The fixes in What do you say. 2077 01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:58.680 To them, It's, well, it's insulting anybody's intelligence, I know 2078 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.319 out the the NB Yeah, I mean, but but look, 2079 01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:05.520 you know, people want to and and I think you're right. 2080 01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:07.840 I heard you earlier say something about you know, we 2081 01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.199 always want to blame somebody else. You know, this is 2082 01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:14.119 this is the Trump's n b A, if you will, right, Like, 2083 01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:16.199 it didn't go your way, so we got to find 2084 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.720 somebody else to blame, that's right. 2085 01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:22.920 Yeah, so you know, which is obviously ridiculous. 2086 01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:27.359 I know you had I know you had Andy Larson 2087 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:29.800 on the last hour, and and he was in the 2088 01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:32.640 room and and he saw the pingbound balls, and and 2089 01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:36.159 I saw a fascinating article. Someone who else was also 2090 01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:38.039 in the room wrote wrote a piece. It might have 2091 01:45:38.079 --> 01:45:40.199 been Andy, I'm not sure that I wrote read late 2092 01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:43.079 last night about exactly how the balls came up there 2093 01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:46.479 were it wasn't, yeah, and and recounting how the numbers 2094 01:45:46.560 --> 01:45:48.800 were and all that kind of stuff, and and uh, 2095 01:45:49.039 --> 01:45:51.000 you know, look that that's why it's a lot of 2096 01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:58.560 this this stuff happens, you know there the jazz just 2097 01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:01.920 didn't get lucky. You you know, you work all year 2098 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:04.680 to try and get that blunt. And look, Spencer, we've 2099 01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:07.520 talked about this, and I use this example with you, 2100 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:11.560 you know, a while ago on this show. I don't 2101 01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:15.720 know who else would would take a fourteen percent chance 2102 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:18.319 and put all their chips in the middle of the table. 2103 01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:19.199 You don't go in. 2104 01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:23.159 You don't go into Caesar's palace and they say, hey, hey, 2105 01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:25.640 come on over to the table here, son, We're going 2106 01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:28.239 to give you a fourteen percent chance to win some 2107 01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:31.479 big money tonight. You go, wow, what table is that? 2108 01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:33.600 I want to go to that table? Like, you know, 2109 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:37.000 nobody does that, I mean, so so, you know, And 2110 01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:39.720 then I read with Justin Zanik, you know, said after 2111 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:42.800 the draft, you know, we knew going in that, you know, 2112 01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:46.119 we had a fourteen percent chance to get the thing, 2113 01:46:46.199 --> 01:46:48.680 which meant we were also having eighty six percent chance 2114 01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:49.600 not to get it. 2115 01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:53.720 And we're prepared for this. I'm not sure if I'm 2116 01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:54.479 sure they knew that. 2117 01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:57.920 Obviously they know all those kinds of things, but I 2118 01:46:58.039 --> 01:47:01.960 think everybody was hoping against hope that this would happen 2119 01:47:02.079 --> 01:47:05.159 for them. Hey, the people in Washington were doing the 2120 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:08.199 exact same thing. Yeah, they had the one game better 2121 01:47:08.279 --> 01:47:10.640 than the Jazz on the last second shot in the 2122 01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:12.960 last game of the season whatever, and they had a 2123 01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:16.960 fourteen percent chance and they went from possibly one to six. 2124 01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:21.000 The Jazz went from possibly one to five. Yeah, and 2125 01:47:21.159 --> 01:47:24.640 Charlotte dropped the spot. So Pelicans dropped to seven. Yes, 2126 01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:27.720 they dropped two. Yeah, And so you know that's just 2127 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:30.920 what the lottery is. It made for great TV for 2128 01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:34.399 half an hour, okay. But the interesting thing is that 2129 01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:38.720 great TV for half an hour quickly turned the fortunes 2130 01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:41.840 of one group, which was the Dallas Mavericks. 2131 01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:42.760 Into a big plus. 2132 01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:43.119 Right. 2133 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:47.640 They sent people like the Washington Wizards a group and 2134 01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:51.000 the Utah Jazz Group going out the side door with 2135 01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:54.680 their heads hung low because they're all disappointed because they 2136 01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:57.680 were hoping against hope that that would this would work 2137 01:47:57.720 --> 01:48:00.880 out for them and it didn't. And you know, I, 2138 01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:05.279 as we've we've talked about before, Spence, it's I don't 2139 01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:05.600 get it. 2140 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:06.640 That's just me. 2141 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:09.560 I did these things for a lot of years. I 2142 01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:12.439 was in these draft rooms. I was, you know, in 2143 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:15.640 discussions with how we're gonna move up and down and 2144 01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:19.079 out and in and all this stuff. And you know 2145 01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:23.560 the fact that you spend a whole year positioning yourself 2146 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:29.079 purposely to be in a spot where you are going 2147 01:48:29.239 --> 01:48:33.560 to the the poker table, you're going to the blackjack table, 2148 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:36.439 and they're telling you, hey, for all of your effort 2149 01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:39.079 and all of your hard earned money. Son, We're gonna 2150 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:42.680 give you a fourteen percent chance to win tonight. Sit 2151 01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:45.279 right down, we're gonna get your ginger ale. 2152 01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:48.840 And here we go. And like who would do that? 2153 01:48:49.079 --> 01:48:50.560 Like I, I just don't get it. 2154 01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:55.199 And unfortunately it didn't work out for the Jazz And 2155 01:48:55.359 --> 01:48:57.079 now they're they're trying to regroup. 2156 01:48:57.239 --> 01:49:00.159 They're going to get a good player at five. Not 2157 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:01.479 gonna get a Cooper Flag. 2158 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:04.800 They're not gonna get a Dylan Harper, all right, but 2159 01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:07.800 they're gonna get a good player unless they come up 2160 01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:10.079 with something else. There's a lot of things that can 2161 01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:13.159 happen between now and the draft day. They got six 2162 01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:15.760 weeks to try and move up if that's what they 2163 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.880 want to do. Put a package together with another team, 2164 01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:22.520 work with three teams, you know, move the balls around, 2165 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:27.560 do something, you know, to position themselves differently, if that's 2166 01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:30.560 the way they see it. Danny Ainge has been known 2167 01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:33.399 to do that in the past, and so he may 2168 01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:36.359 have some ideas about, you know, how to be able 2169 01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:40.680 to uh work this in his in his favor to 2170 01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:44.079 the to the Jazz's benefit, and only time will tell. 2171 01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:47.520 But it certainly puts them, you know, behind a bigger 2172 01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:52.199 ball if you will in the next six weeks, then 2173 01:49:52.239 --> 01:49:54.880 they would have been if they had come out, you know, 2174 01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:58.319 with what they what they deemed to be the top prize. 2175 01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:00.720 All right, before we catch a break, one more question 2176 01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:03.720 here coming up next, we'll talk about some of the optionality, 2177 01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:06.399 which is the buzzword in pro basketball. The Jazz do 2178 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:11.039 have with Giannis reportedly open to being traded and the 2179 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:14.439 Jason Tatum news that the Achilles is ruptured. 2180 01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:17.399 Does Boston try to pivot move on? 2181 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:20.279 Could the Jazz get involved in any of these discussions 2182 01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:23.079 to maybe expedite the process a little bit, or will 2183 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:24.920 next year look a lot like this year did? 2184 01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:27.760 But before we catch break, and I don't know this, 2185 01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:29.319 but in order to be. 2186 01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:33.079 Fair, and yes, I cannot debate or argue with you 2187 01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:36.640 my opinion of what I thought the Jazz should do 2188 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:39.399 right out of the gates when they traded Donovan and Rudy. 2189 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:44.159 If that was your decision to jettison Donovan, Rudy, Bogdanovitch, Conley, O'Neil, 2190 01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:46.760 the whole group in Quinn Leaves and Dennis Leaves, my 2191 01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:48.760 opinion was you do have to go all in in 2192 01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:51.159 one direction of the other. That's my opinion, okay, and 2193 01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:53.960 I will not change that opinion. But based off of 2194 01:50:54.319 --> 01:50:56.720 what they elected to do this year, is it only 2195 01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:01.039 fair to assume that they did try to get a 2196 01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:03.479 mckel bridges or a Paul George or whatever it was 2197 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:07.560 last last offseason, and when their best laid plans disintegrated, 2198 01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:09.279 this was kind of their only course. 2199 01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:10.479 Is that fair to assume? 2200 01:51:10.640 --> 01:51:11.720 I don't know, Yeah, I think that. 2201 01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:14.920 You know, you're always trying to find a quicker way 2202 01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:17.840 to get on the on the in the fast lane 2203 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:20.720 on the highway, right, so so you're always trying to 2204 01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:23.720 improve your team. You know, there's no such thing as 2205 01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:28.000 a six year, a seven year and eight year you know, 2206 01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:33.479 rebuilding a time frame. Nobody puts an artificial time limit 2207 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:37.079 on how long this is supposed to take. Because in 2208 01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:41.199 the perfect world, something would happen for you tomorrow that 2209 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:45.119 would make you go from you know, the seven Celtics 2210 01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:49.319 to the eight Celtics, right from the bottom of the 2211 01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:52.840 league to winning a championship in one year because of 2212 01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:54.960 some moves that you're able to make. That was a 2213 01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:58.439 Danny Ainge deal where he was able to parlay you know, 2214 01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:01.960 a disappointment where he felt like they were hoping to 2215 01:52:02.039 --> 01:52:04.079 get the top pick. They were hoping to get the 2216 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:07.520 second pick at that year, which happened to be the 2217 01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:09.800 Greg Oden Kevin Durant draft. 2218 01:52:10.359 --> 01:52:10.880 They didn't. 2219 01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:14.039 They moved, They moved down like the Jazz did last night, 2220 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:17.920 ended up moving back to five. They didn't like that 2221 01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:21.399 spot in the draft. Danny Ainge was able to move 2222 01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:25.079 that pick to end up getting Ray Allen to come 2223 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:29.039 from Seattle, and then in a different move, was able 2224 01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:33.640 to move some picks, move some other guys to Minnesota 2225 01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:36.640 to get Kevin Garnett, and all of a sudden, you've 2226 01:52:36.680 --> 01:52:40.800 got Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce and you 2227 01:52:40.920 --> 01:52:43.520 go from being a bottom five team in the league 2228 01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:48.319 to winning the championship twelve months later. So everybody wants 2229 01:52:48.439 --> 01:52:52.239 to do that type of thing. The Jazz they what 2230 01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:55.279 they have done successfully to this point is they put 2231 01:52:55.359 --> 01:52:57.920 themselves in a position, as you mentioned a minute ago, 2232 01:52:58.359 --> 01:53:03.720 you know the favorite word optionality or flexibility, to be 2233 01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:07.319 able to do a number of different things depending on 2234 01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:11.560 what's presented to you. Forty eight hours ago, you would 2235 01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:15.079 have never thought there was anything that could ever, you know, 2236 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:21.159 impermeate the Boston Celtics roster right because they've got a 2237 01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:24.000 good group. It's a high paid group, it costs a 2238 01:53:24.039 --> 01:53:27.239 lot of money, but they're a top five NBA team, 2239 01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:30.840 the reigning champions, you know, and all of that. Now 2240 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:36.239 Jason Tatum goes out as a ruptured Achilles more than likely, 2241 01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:39.920 you know, most estimations are that he would more than 2242 01:53:40.039 --> 01:53:43.159 likely miss the whole of next year. So that puts 2243 01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:46.000 a big hole there where he's out. So now you're 2244 01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:48.760 paying a lot of money to a lot of guys, 2245 01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:53.960 and how much does that damage what you've planned to 2246 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:57.199 do because he's in his prime. So now do you 2247 01:53:57.640 --> 01:54:01.159 just wait it out if you're the Celtic, or do 2248 01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:04.319 you say, well, we can't do this. They got a 2249 01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:07.079 new ownership group in place, and it's costing him a 2250 01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:12.000 lot of money and salaries, luxury tax and penalties. So 2251 01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:14.880 do they look at it and go, well, we may 2252 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.279 have to do something different, and so maybe we get 2253 01:54:18.399 --> 01:54:21.319 rid of Jalen Brown, and maybe we get rid of 2254 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:24.119 Drew Holliday, and maybe we get rid of you know, 2255 01:54:24.199 --> 01:54:27.800 whatever it is. Because we can't sit around and just 2256 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:31.319 wait and hope Tatum comes back to be the old 2257 01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:35.199 Tatum that he was yep, And so that becomes something 2258 01:54:35.279 --> 01:54:37.880 on the table. So now the Jazz are sitting there 2259 01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:40.600 at the bus stop, so to speak, with a big 2260 01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:44.479 basket of draft picks and players that they're willing to 2261 01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.880 trade because they don't care because at the moment, you know, 2262 01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:50.680 the guys they've got, whether they like him, they don't 2263 01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:52.560 like them, and they're in the middle or something on 2264 01:54:52.680 --> 01:54:55.880 their own guys, you know, they're not winning, so it 2265 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:59.920 doesn't matter. So everybody's in play. So whether it's your 2266 01:55:00.039 --> 01:55:04.439 players or your your treasure trove of picks, you you 2267 01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:07.039 are in a position to go to Boston and say, 2268 01:55:07.319 --> 01:55:10.079 what are you thinking? I don't know, we probably gotta 2269 01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:12.640 do something with Jaln Brown. Okay, what's it gonna take? 2270 01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:15.840 You know, five draft picks, Lowry Marketing and this guy 2271 01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:19.359 or that guy whatever, And so you're in position to 2272 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:21.000 pounce on something like that. 2273 01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:24.000 Is it something like that that may come up? We 2274 01:55:24.079 --> 01:55:24.399 don't know. 2275 01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:27.640 Is it something like Phoenix, which is around the corner 2276 01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:31.960 that probably has to do something with Durant and Beale 2277 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:35.680 in some way, shape or form, because that's obviously not working. 2278 01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:39.760 Is it something that involves Giannis who wants to go 2279 01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:42.159 somewhere else, and it may not be the Jazz, but 2280 01:55:42.279 --> 01:55:44.439 the Jazz may be a third team that helps something 2281 01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:47.840 get involved. All of those things are in play spence, 2282 01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:50.479 so so that's that's the one thing that Jazz have 2283 01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:53.279 going for them is they've got a lot of open 2284 01:55:53.399 --> 01:55:57.039 doors that they could walk through depending on what presents 2285 01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:59.800 itself to them in the coming weeks. 2286 01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:03.079 The world of professional golf turns inside of the PGA 2287 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:05.640 Championship at Quell Hoilo coming up this weekend. 2288 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:09.079 One year ago today, well not one year ago today, 2289 01:56:09.119 --> 01:56:09.760 but one year. 2290 01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:16.720 Ago Smitty PGA Championship Scotti Scheffler arrested prior to round two, 2291 01:56:17.520 --> 01:56:20.399 which was just so wild. Richard Smith is live in studio, 2292 01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:23.520 Jordan Speith going for the career Grand Slam coming up 2293 01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:26.680 this weekend after Rory McElroy was able to grab it 2294 01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:27.680 with his green jacket. 2295 01:56:28.279 --> 01:56:29.079 All right, Smitty. 2296 01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:32.000 Of course, the big news of the day today that 2297 01:56:32.039 --> 01:56:34.800 we've been dissecting so far as the Utah Jazz will 2298 01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:38.359 draft number five in the upcoming NBA Draft down June 2299 01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:39.039 the twenty fifth. 2300 01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:42.079 Shamsherarnia reporting that. 2301 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:45.520 The Jazz will try to be very active to move 2302 01:56:45.640 --> 01:56:49.239 up in set NBA drafts. I've had a lot of 2303 01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:51.760 friends reach alie, Hey, can they just move up and 2304 01:56:52.119 --> 01:56:54.119 draft Cooper Flag at one? I'm like, well, you have 2305 01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:56.520 to have the other general manager agreed to the deal 2306 01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:00.359 in place. Like, yes, in theory, just do that, But 2307 01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:03.000 what are what are the conversations like when it's like, 2308 01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:05.039 all right, we like this guy at three, but we're 2309 01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:06.880 at five. Can we get to three? Or we kind 2310 01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:08.479 of like the guy that might be at seven? Can 2311 01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:10.199 we move down to seven and grab a couple of 2312 01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:11.720 other assets? Like what does that sound like? 2313 01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:14.640 Well, you know, it reminds me suspense you say that 2314 01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:18.680 about just moving up, you know. Frank Laydon said he 2315 01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:20.880 one time got a call from someone who a very 2316 01:57:20.920 --> 01:57:24.319 influential person in the community, said, hey, Hi, great, I 2317 01:57:24.359 --> 01:57:26.960 do we have a good young team with that Stockton 2318 01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:29.439 kid and the Malone guy. You know, you know would 2319 01:57:29.439 --> 01:57:31.640 be really good with them, would be uh, would be 2320 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:35.079 Patrick Ewing. You know, you guys should get Patrick Ewing. 2321 01:57:35.199 --> 01:57:38.920 And Frank said, really, he goes, that's that's a good idea. 2322 01:57:39.119 --> 01:57:42.479 He goes, Now, how do you suggest we do that? Well, 2323 01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:45.479 you just call call New York, you know, and and 2324 01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:47.079 they're gonna give us Patrick Ewing. 2325 01:57:47.479 --> 01:57:49.319 He goes like, you. 2326 01:57:49.319 --> 01:57:53.279 Guys like rich Rich Kelly. In the second for Patrick. 2327 01:57:53.840 --> 01:57:56.800 Shout out to Rich Kelly's that's one of my guys, 2328 01:57:56.920 --> 01:57:57.399 Rich Kelly. 2329 01:57:57.560 --> 01:57:58.560 Yes, so Smittie. 2330 01:57:58.640 --> 01:58:02.960 I mean, ultimately, if I just asked you for your 2331 01:58:03.079 --> 01:58:06.079 best guess as far as what next year is going 2332 01:58:06.119 --> 01:58:09.760 to look like, because you know, again, Adam Silver and 2333 01:58:09.880 --> 01:58:13.159 the NBA in twenty nineteen decided to flatten the lottery 2334 01:58:13.199 --> 01:58:17.439 odds and was their motivation to dissuade teams from tanking. 2335 01:58:17.640 --> 01:58:22.520 Probably they also put some financial things into place that 2336 01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:27.680 make your overspending very punitive. So great teams like the 2337 01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:30.800 Nuggets we've seen lose some players. The Warriors had to 2338 01:58:30.840 --> 01:58:35.159 make a decision on Clay Phoenix as you referenced. Boston, 2339 01:58:35.199 --> 01:58:38.119 as we've talked about, well maybe jettison off from some 2340 01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:40.960 of their talent players. Do the Jazz have what it 2341 01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:46.600 takes to potentially do what Danny Ainge said two summers 2342 01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:49.359 ago and go big game hunting to get some good players. 2343 01:58:49.800 --> 01:58:52.960 So therefore next year you're not insulting the integrity of 2344 01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:57.079 the game by intentionally losing every night. And as you 2345 01:58:57.119 --> 01:58:59.479 said earlier, Fate Karma, I don't know I don't know 2346 01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:00.399 nothing about nothing. 2347 01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:01.720 Is that stuff real? Maybe? 2348 01:59:02.520 --> 01:59:06.640 But twenty nineteen lottery odds flattens. Six drafts later, the 2349 01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:08.720 worst team in the NBA has not received the number 2350 01:59:08.720 --> 01:59:11.479 one pick since. So just best guess. What do you 2351 01:59:11.520 --> 01:59:13.159 think the offseason looks like? And what do you think 2352 01:59:13.199 --> 01:59:14.640 next season looks like for Jazz fans? 2353 01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:17.159 Well, again, I think the Jazz have a lot of 2354 01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:23.359 stuff they they can propose, you know, again, to beat 2355 01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:26.600 the dead horse. You know Danny's famous comment about we're 2356 01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:30.039 gonna go big game hunting. And we've said this before, Spence, 2357 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:31.319 you can go big game hunting. 2358 01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:31.600 You can. 2359 01:59:32.039 --> 01:59:34.159 You can tell your wife on Friday, Hey, I'm going 2360 01:59:34.239 --> 01:59:36.479 up in the mountains and I'm gonna get a bag 2361 01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:38.920 of big, big buck and I'm gonna bring it back 2362 01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:41.119 and we're gonna have deer meat all winter or whatever. 2363 01:59:41.560 --> 01:59:43.479 And you go up and you come back at the 2364 01:59:43.560 --> 01:59:45.800 end of the weekend and you have nothing, and your wife, 2365 01:59:46.319 --> 01:59:47.840 I thought you were going. I thought you were going 2366 01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:50.439 big game. Well I did, and where's the big game. 2367 01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:53.720 I didn't get him. You didn't see him. I saw him, 2368 01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:56.840 but I didn't get them, you know, And whatever I mean, 2369 01:59:56.920 --> 01:59:59.359 that's you know, the Jazz are gonna do that. They're 2370 01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:02.920 gonna do a version of that this spring and summer. 2371 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:05.680 They're gonna try and do a lot of different things 2372 02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:10.000 that can improve their team quickly. Uh, They're gonna have 2373 02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:14.239 some some opportunities to look at stuff. You know, you 2374 02:00:14.319 --> 02:00:17.960 always need a trade partner, You need someone who has 2375 02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:22.159 sometimes a different motivation than you. So it may be 2376 02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:24.119 a team that is trying to get out from a 2377 02:00:24.279 --> 02:00:27.039 high paid player who's a good player, but it just 2378 02:00:27.199 --> 02:00:27.840 isn't working. 2379 02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:28.760 I e. 2380 02:00:29.119 --> 02:00:30.079 The Phoenix Suns. 2381 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:33.680 It may be something, you know, where a top line 2382 02:00:33.800 --> 02:00:37.359 player just needs a change of scenery and the team 2383 02:00:37.439 --> 02:00:40.079 that has them under contract feels like they need a 2384 02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:42.960 change of scenery because it just isn't working the way 2385 02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:44.199 they thought, i e. 2386 02:00:44.520 --> 02:00:45.079 Milwaukee. 2387 02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:48.079 It could be you know, from a couple of years ago, 2388 02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:51.079 you know when the Brooklyn Nets look like they were 2389 02:00:51.119 --> 02:00:53.880 going to be running the NBA for five, six, seven 2390 02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:57.800 years with Durant and Harden and and and Kyrie Irving, 2391 02:00:58.359 --> 02:01:01.800 and those three guys played a total of sixteen games 2392 02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:05.880 together during their time in Brooklyn, which is unfathomable now 2393 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:08.520 when you look back on it, and it just didn't work. 2394 02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:10.760 And so they were trying to get rid of each 2395 02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:14.960 one of those guys in different, different fashion. So those 2396 02:01:15.159 --> 02:01:19.920 kinds of things can come up. You don't know tomorrow 2397 02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:22.279 if they're going to happen. You don't know next week 2398 02:01:22.319 --> 02:01:25.319 if it's gonna happen. But if you're prepared to be 2399 02:01:25.399 --> 02:01:28.399 able to react, you might have some stuff you might 2400 02:01:28.479 --> 02:01:31.399 be able to do. You couple it with a draft pick, 2401 02:01:31.640 --> 02:01:34.520 with two draft picks, with one of your guys, with 2402 02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:37.279 three of your guys, whatever it is, and you can 2403 02:01:37.359 --> 02:01:42.359 make over your team somewhat quickly, as we mentioned earlier 2404 02:01:42.399 --> 02:01:45.199 what Danny Ainge did in seven the Summer of seven 2405 02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:48.600 with the Boston Celtics. But a lot of things have 2406 02:01:48.680 --> 02:01:51.960 to fall into place. But the situation the Jazz are 2407 02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:54.880 in now, as much as you don't like the way 2408 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:56.880 they lost and the way they were the worst team 2409 02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:01.960 this year and a lot of metrics and a lot 2410 02:02:02.039 --> 02:02:05.520 of the analytics said that they were really bad. So 2411 02:02:06.199 --> 02:02:08.920 from the Jazz perspective, in that regard, you don't have 2412 02:02:09.039 --> 02:02:12.640 anything to lose, Like you're not giving up something that ooh, 2413 02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:14.720 I don't know if we can give away this, because 2414 02:02:14.760 --> 02:02:17.920 that may damage what we've been doing so far because 2415 02:02:18.199 --> 02:02:21.199 we haven't done anything so far, so in that regard, 2416 02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:24.560 you know, the door's wide open, and they could do 2417 02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:26.840 a lot of things, and a lot of things would 2418 02:02:26.920 --> 02:02:29.560 have to fall their way and would have to some 2419 02:02:29.760 --> 02:02:33.079 things within their ability to control, they could do that. 2420 02:02:33.600 --> 02:02:36.159 There's some things that may have to just fall in 2421 02:02:36.239 --> 02:02:39.640 their lap that are beyond their control, that just happened 2422 02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:43.239 to them or become present to them to take advantage of. 2423 02:02:43.840 --> 02:02:46.039 But those are all things that they're going to look 2424 02:02:46.079 --> 02:02:49.199 at and all things that Danny Inge has used to 2425 02:02:49.439 --> 02:02:53.239 doing and has done before and has shown that he's 2426 02:02:53.359 --> 02:02:57.520 not shy about making those kinds of decisions. And we 2427 02:02:57.760 --> 02:03:00.279 just see it here spends with the Jazz in the 2428 02:03:00.319 --> 02:03:03.439 situation they're in now because Danny Hinch came in in 2429 02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:06.000 the first twelve months he was on the job with 2430 02:03:06.119 --> 02:03:09.199 the Jazz, you know, jettisoned the whole thing that that 2431 02:03:09.399 --> 02:03:12.319 was in place then and decided to start over. So 2432 02:03:12.479 --> 02:03:15.800 we know that he has he has the uh, the 2433 02:03:16.239 --> 02:03:19.640 intestinal fortitude and the guts to make those kind of 2434 02:03:19.720 --> 02:03:23.600 decisions and not blink and so so will he have opportunities, 2435 02:03:24.039 --> 02:03:26.640 will they be able to execute them? Will there be 2436 02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:29.960 things that that he uh, he can act upon but 2437 02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:34.159 needs other people to cooperate. All those things are movable parts, 2438 02:03:34.560 --> 02:03:37.840 and those are those are the things that become exciting 2439 02:03:38.199 --> 02:03:41.159 and at the same time become frustrating when you're trying 2440 02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:42.039 to get something done. 2441 02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:44.600 So do you think next year will look a lot 2442 02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:45.760 like this season did? 2443 02:03:46.279 --> 02:03:47.000 Well? I think that. 2444 02:03:47.199 --> 02:03:49.239 I think they're going to try and make it look 2445 02:03:49.520 --> 02:03:53.279 a lot different in terms of making some moves. Whether 2446 02:03:53.319 --> 02:03:55.520 it's a draft, whether it's a free agent thing, whether 2447 02:03:55.520 --> 02:04:00.279 it's trades, Whether they get stuff done on any of 2448 02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:03.159 those fronts or all of them, remains to be seen. 2449 02:04:03.279 --> 02:04:05.880 And I but I think, you know, if they just 2450 02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:08.560 if they don't get anything done, and they just go 2451 02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:12.319 through this draft and and and pick whoever they get 2452 02:04:12.520 --> 02:04:15.399 and try and develop them, then I think they could 2453 02:04:15.439 --> 02:04:19.119 be in for another type of season next year because 2454 02:04:19.840 --> 02:04:22.600 that they've had this year. Because Spence, to your point earlier, 2455 02:04:24.079 --> 02:04:27.840 everybody in the NBA is looking to be one of 2456 02:04:27.920 --> 02:04:30.399 the top five teams in the league that has a 2457 02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:34.960 serious chance of competing all year long and through the playoffs, 2458 02:04:35.600 --> 02:04:37.520 or you want to be one of the five worst 2459 02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:41.800 teams to have a chance. Like last night, Okay, they 2460 02:04:41.920 --> 02:04:46.399 did that part didn't work out. Okay, that's one big 2461 02:04:46.520 --> 02:04:50.319 swing and mess. Okay, that happened, But you don't want 2462 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:53.279 to be one of the one of the twenty teams 2463 02:04:53.359 --> 02:04:56.800 that's in between those two areas what we always would 2464 02:04:56.800 --> 02:04:59.279 refer to with the gray area, because those are the 2465 02:04:59.359 --> 02:05:04.199 teams that either they're fooling themselves because they're a eight nine, 2466 02:05:04.479 --> 02:05:08.920 ten type team or they're a twenty twenty one, twenty 2467 02:05:09.000 --> 02:05:11.960 two type team and they want to convince themselves that 2468 02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:16.439 they're better than they really are and they have a 2469 02:05:16.640 --> 02:05:18.960 chance to compete when they really don't. 2470 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:19.720 You know. 2471 02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:23.000 A current example of that to me is somebody like 2472 02:05:23.359 --> 02:05:28.520 the Atlanta Hawks, who you know, maybe the Miami Heat, 2473 02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:32.000 although the Heat broke through a couple of years ago 2474 02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:35.920 and and you know, got to the finals and you know, 2475 02:05:36.079 --> 02:05:39.479 but they had some breaks to get through that, but 2476 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:42.600 it worked. But sometimes you can fool yourself into thinking 2477 02:05:42.680 --> 02:05:44.840 you're one of those guys. You don't want to be 2478 02:05:44.960 --> 02:05:48.199 in that gray area because you're just trading water. So 2479 02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:52.199 if you can make some moves, then then you look 2480 02:05:52.239 --> 02:05:54.520 at that with a strong eye to try and get 2481 02:05:54.960 --> 02:05:55.720 better quickly. 2482 02:05:56.159 --> 02:06:00.000 Yeah, the irony in what you're saying is the number 2483 02:06:00.239 --> 02:06:02.680 ten team in the Western Conference here this year was 2484 02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:05.720 the Dallas Mavericks, who now own the number one overall pick. 2485 02:06:05.800 --> 02:06:08.680 There you go, and so you know now that we have, 2486 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:12.279 you know, after they flattened the lottery odds in twenty nineteen, 2487 02:06:12.319 --> 02:06:13.800 I think a lot of people said, Okay, well, let's 2488 02:06:13.840 --> 02:06:16.600 wait and see how this looks. And now that we 2489 02:06:16.720 --> 02:06:20.399 have six drafts in six lotteries behind us, and the 2490 02:06:20.600 --> 02:06:25.640 data now says tanking does not guarantee you anything. 2491 02:06:26.079 --> 02:06:28.720 In the NFL, it does, Okay, it's inverse order. Period. 2492 02:06:28.800 --> 02:06:30.279 They reward teams that are horrible. 2493 02:06:30.680 --> 02:06:33.840 Ironically enough, teams like my Jets do not seem to 2494 02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:36.079 ever find their way out of that group. But in 2495 02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:39.840 pro basketball, the data is in that you can tank 2496 02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:41.479 all you want, and if you think that's the right 2497 02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:43.479 way to roll, then you can roll that way. And yes, 2498 02:06:43.600 --> 02:06:47.159 your percentages are slightly higher than the teams behind you. 2499 02:06:47.359 --> 02:06:50.079 But now that we know that guarantees nothing, is it 2500 02:06:50.199 --> 02:06:53.039 time to maybe consider a paradigm shift for the teams 2501 02:06:53.199 --> 02:06:56.039 like the Jazz or Washington or whoever that clearly have 2502 02:06:56.079 --> 02:06:57.199 been unseerious about winning. 2503 02:06:57.279 --> 02:07:00.520 Now for a minute, well, I don't know the lottery 2504 02:07:00.640 --> 02:07:04.000 I think, I mean, I understand what you're saying about. 2505 02:07:04.439 --> 02:07:06.479 You know, now we have six years, we can look 2506 02:07:06.520 --> 02:07:10.399 at it a little bit. But the lottery, I know 2507 02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:14.600 this sounds kind of simplistic, but the lottery is the lottery. 2508 02:07:15.039 --> 02:07:18.760 In other words, you can't predict what's going to happen. 2509 02:07:18.960 --> 02:07:22.840 So anybody who wants to play that game, like the 2510 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:27.439 Jazz did this year again, spence to be the dead horse. 2511 02:07:28.239 --> 02:07:31.199 You know, anybody who works that hard for six months 2512 02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:35.399 to get a fourteen percent chance to win something, I mean, 2513 02:07:35.520 --> 02:07:38.720 good luck to you. I mean, you know, that's that's uh, 2514 02:07:38.880 --> 02:07:41.319 you know, I don't know that. I don't get that 2515 02:07:41.399 --> 02:07:44.359 whole thing. But anyway, that's that's what they did. That's 2516 02:07:44.399 --> 02:07:47.239 what Washington did, That's what Charlotte did. Toward the end 2517 02:07:47.239 --> 02:07:49.239 of the year. None of them ended up in the 2518 02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:54.199 top three. You know that That's that's just the way 2519 02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:57.880 that that stuff it goes. That's that's, you know, just 2520 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:01.199 taking a big gamble. The NFL, well, the NFL is 2521 02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:05.359 a different animal because they schedule differently. You don't play 2522 02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:09.840 everybody else in the NFL over a whole season, and 2523 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:14.119 the NFL schedule is weighted so that the better teams 2524 02:08:14.439 --> 02:08:19.439 last year play each other next year, and the lesser 2525 02:08:19.560 --> 02:08:23.840 teams last year play each other this year. And it's 2526 02:08:23.920 --> 02:08:26.239 all in the hopes Spence, that when you get to 2527 02:08:26.319 --> 02:08:29.800 week sixteen and seventeen in the NFL, everybody's eight and eight, 2528 02:08:30.479 --> 02:08:34.399 everybody's nine and seven, everybody's got a chance. The last 2529 02:08:34.479 --> 02:08:38.159 couple of weeks. In the NBA, everybody plays everybody else. 2530 02:08:38.600 --> 02:08:43.279 In your conference, you play four games a couple of 2531 02:08:43.399 --> 02:08:45.720 teams of three games, but most of them you're playing 2532 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:47.920 two at home, two in the road, and the other 2533 02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:50.399 conference you play one home, one on the road. 2534 02:08:50.880 --> 02:08:52.079 And so over the course of. 2535 02:08:52.079 --> 02:08:55.279 An eighty two game season, it usually works out that 2536 02:08:55.399 --> 02:08:58.359 the better teams are the better teams. And you know, 2537 02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:01.880 when you get to this stuff, that's just what it is. 2538 02:09:02.000 --> 02:09:05.920 And I don't I don't understand people who you know, don't. 2539 02:09:06.119 --> 02:09:08.880 I mean, it's not that complicated, Spence. It's just like 2540 02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:12.760 going to the playground, like the hard scrabble streets that 2541 02:09:12.840 --> 02:09:17.000 you grew up in a New Canaan. There we go 2542 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:21.720 see that and you guys you get to the playground 2543 02:09:22.520 --> 02:09:25.039 and you go okay, you know, Spencer and Spidder, you 2544 02:09:25.079 --> 02:09:28.000 guys are choosing up okay, okay or Okay, I got 2545 02:09:28.039 --> 02:09:28.560 first pick. 2546 02:09:28.760 --> 02:09:29.479 Who are you going to take? 2547 02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:32.000 You're gonna take the kid you know is the best 2548 02:09:32.079 --> 02:09:34.920 player in the neighborhood, and then you're going to take 2549 02:09:34.920 --> 02:09:37.319 the next guy and whatever. And the whole purpose is 2550 02:09:37.359 --> 02:09:41.119 what the whole purpose is to win the game you're playing, 2551 02:09:41.439 --> 02:09:43.640 so you get to stay on the court and the 2552 02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:46.439 losers have to go off and play the next group 2553 02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:50.960 of guys. Right, the NBA system in the playoffs, it's 2554 02:09:51.079 --> 02:09:54.680 it's just a bigger, grandiose version of that. All the 2555 02:09:54.760 --> 02:09:57.520 teams are trying to get the better players so they 2556 02:09:57.560 --> 02:10:00.640 can stay on the court and keep laying right. 2557 02:10:01.159 --> 02:10:05.399 So when it comes to the lottery, the lottery is 2558 02:10:05.840 --> 02:10:06.399 what it is. 2559 02:10:06.600 --> 02:10:09.479 It's just a flip of the coin, or in this case, 2560 02:10:09.600 --> 02:10:12.319 literally the bounce of the ping pong balls. And I 2561 02:10:12.479 --> 02:10:18.399 was interested to read Andy Larson's description last night, specifically saying, 2562 02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:20.640 you know, they they turned the machine on, and the 2563 02:10:20.680 --> 02:10:23.079 balls bounce around for twenty seconds, and then the guy 2564 02:10:23.199 --> 02:10:25.640 pulls the plug and the ball comes out, and then 2565 02:10:25.680 --> 02:10:27.520 they reset it and then the balls bounce around for 2566 02:10:27.560 --> 02:10:29.920 another ten seconds and then blah blah blah blah blah, 2567 02:10:29.960 --> 02:10:35.439 and you know, and it's very precise and direct in 2568 02:10:35.600 --> 02:10:38.880 how they do that to give everybody a fair shot. 2569 02:10:39.239 --> 02:10:44.199 And you know, I would rather be in a lottery 2570 02:10:44.359 --> 02:10:47.359 spence where I have an eighty six percent chance of 2571 02:10:47.520 --> 02:10:51.119 getting it, but you have an eighty six percent chance 2572 02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:55.199 of not getting it. So that's what you're rolling with. 2573 02:10:56.119 --> 02:10:58.560 I say, good luck, and I'm going to keep my 2574 02:10:58.680 --> 02:10:59.800 money in my back pocket. 2575 02:10:59.880 --> 02:11:04.600 And the system is not changing anytime soon. Do you 2576 02:11:04.720 --> 02:11:06.479 think they look at it? I mean, would you like 2577 02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:07.479 to see a different approach? 2578 02:11:07.720 --> 02:11:10.199 I mean no, because I think they I think they've 2579 02:11:11.039 --> 02:11:13.920 I think they've uh not overthought. I think they've thought 2580 02:11:14.000 --> 02:11:19.199 it through enough with enough statisticians and mathematicians and and 2581 02:11:19.720 --> 02:11:20.640 what are the odds? 2582 02:11:20.720 --> 02:11:21.600 And how do you do this? 2583 02:11:21.800 --> 02:11:24.079 And there used to be one ping pong ball and 2584 02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:27.319 fourteen teams, and they ruffled it up and they go okay, 2585 02:11:27.439 --> 02:11:30.039 and they pull out one ball and they go, uh, 2586 02:11:30.359 --> 02:11:32.119 number five, who's got number five? 2587 02:11:32.319 --> 02:11:32.439 Oh? 2588 02:11:32.479 --> 02:11:34.680 The Atlanta Hawks have number five? Okay, they get the 2589 02:11:34.720 --> 02:11:37.119 first pick. I mean it used to be that. Now 2590 02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:40.279 that's four ping pong balls, and they each have a. 2591 02:11:40.359 --> 02:11:41.000 Number on them. 2592 02:11:41.079 --> 02:11:43.560 So they get the one number okay, and number seven okay, 2593 02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:46.680 all right? The next one number thirteen, whatever. And then 2594 02:11:46.720 --> 02:11:48.800 they then you have a you have a big, you know, 2595 02:11:48.920 --> 02:11:51.159 print out sheet and you look at, okay, do we 2596 02:11:51.279 --> 02:11:55.119 have lottery number. It's just like Spence buying a lottery 2597 02:11:55.199 --> 02:11:58.119 ticket over across the border in Idaho and you got 2598 02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:00.720 the numbers on the ticket and they read off the 2599 02:12:00.800 --> 02:12:01.439 fourth number. 2600 02:12:01.600 --> 02:12:04.439 Ah, I had a seven, they called the six. I 2601 02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:05.119 didn't win it. 2602 02:12:05.199 --> 02:12:07.800 You know, it's the same thing, I mean, And and 2603 02:12:07.960 --> 02:12:11.560 so they've got that figured out. It just doesn't work 2604 02:12:11.640 --> 02:12:15.520 for you. And to your point, Spence, everybody wants to 2605 02:12:15.600 --> 02:12:19.960 find a reason that we didn't win and somebody's against us, 2606 02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:23.640 and you know whatever, and that's just it's just not 2607 02:12:23.800 --> 02:12:24.199 the case. 2608 02:12:24.279 --> 02:12:27.640 It's just that's the reality of what a lottery is. 2609 02:12:28.039 --> 02:12:32.159 And I think, well, my guess is the other thing 2610 02:12:32.199 --> 02:12:34.640 that really stings about last night? And John Hollinger wrote 2611 02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:38.720 a piece on this for The Athletic Today. So again 2612 02:12:39.039 --> 02:12:41.720 the jazz fault, I'm gonna say, air quotes fall to five. 2613 02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:45.039 It was the most likely scenario based off the percentages 2614 02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:47.920 prior to the lottery, and Zanak talked about this. 2615 02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:51.079 Yeah, one and two. It was basically a fifty percent change, 2616 02:12:51.159 --> 02:12:51.560 right right. 2617 02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:54.119 Right, So forty eight point seven percent chance they were 2618 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:57.239 gonna draft it five fourteen percent chance they were gonna 2619 02:12:57.279 --> 02:13:00.720 draft it one. But I don't think think the sting 2620 02:13:00.880 --> 02:13:04.600 that fans are feeling today is only about that. I 2621 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:07.840 think it's also about the fact that Dallas and San Antonio, 2622 02:13:08.119 --> 02:13:11.279 two of your Western Conference peers, are at one and two. 2623 02:13:12.039 --> 02:13:14.760 Because if you're a Jazz fan, you're already looking up 2624 02:13:15.000 --> 02:13:17.640 at well, I'm not even gonna read the list everybody, 2625 02:13:17.800 --> 02:13:20.800 You're already looking up at everybody. At least San Antonio 2626 02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:22.880 was kind of in your cul de sac right this year, 2627 02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:26.199 even though they got Wembanyama and Dallas took such such 2628 02:13:26.199 --> 02:13:28.520 a calculator risk to get rid of Donchic so you thought, okay, 2629 02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:30.159 maybe they're falling back down on earth as well. 2630 02:13:30.239 --> 02:13:30.399 Yeah. 2631 02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:32.920 So now two of the teams that you thought maybe 2632 02:13:32.960 --> 02:13:36.560 we're not that far away from you're miles away from again. 2633 02:13:37.039 --> 02:13:38.840 So I think if you're a Jazz fan today, it's 2634 02:13:38.960 --> 02:13:41.680 not just man, we didn't get one or two, we 2635 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:45.039 actually are drafting five. It's two of our Western Conference 2636 02:13:45.079 --> 02:13:47.279 piers have one and two, and now we've got miles 2637 02:13:47.319 --> 02:13:48.119 to go to catch them. 2638 02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:50.640 Yeah, And and and the fact that their Western Conference 2639 02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:54.520 is a good point. But but you're right when when 2640 02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:59.239 they when they showed Ashley Smith, who I felt on 2641 02:13:59.359 --> 02:14:03.319 the stage and and her being in that position and 2642 02:14:03.720 --> 02:14:06.520 she's on an island by herself at that moment in time, 2643 02:14:06.680 --> 02:14:10.039 and and not used to that that scenario and everything, and. 2644 02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:12.600 I just want to reach the TV. 2645 02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:15.680 Yeah, felt really bad for her, and and uh, but 2646 02:14:15.800 --> 02:14:18.159 then they but then they exacerbated by going and now 2647 02:14:18.199 --> 02:14:20.479 we're gonna go to commercial and we'll go come back 2648 02:14:20.760 --> 02:14:22.720 for the final four picks, and they go to a 2649 02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:25.760 three minute commercial and they rearrange the stage and all 2650 02:14:25.800 --> 02:14:28.840 that stuff, and and uh and when when they when 2651 02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:33.359 they picked Charlotte at the at four And then I'm 2652 02:14:33.399 --> 02:14:36.520 sitting there, going, are you kidding me? San Antonio and 2653 02:14:36.680 --> 02:14:39.520 Dallas and and then and then those two are left, 2654 02:14:40.039 --> 02:14:44.159 and I go and I literally I I started laughing 2655 02:14:44.199 --> 02:14:46.680 a little bit out loud. I was watching with coach 2656 02:14:46.840 --> 02:14:49.880 Coach Layton and and and with Linda and and I'm 2657 02:14:49.920 --> 02:14:53.279 sitting there. You gotta be kidding me, I said. And 2658 02:14:53.399 --> 02:14:55.760 then at that moment in time, I thought, boy, I 2659 02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:58.359 hope san Antonio gets the first pick. This is just 2660 02:14:58.479 --> 02:15:01.680 gonna be a bigger story. If they get the first 2661 02:15:01.760 --> 02:15:04.640 back again, are you kidding me? You know, and and uh, 2662 02:15:05.680 --> 02:15:07.560 you know, then all the guys would really be out 2663 02:15:07.600 --> 02:15:09.840 of the woodwork. But as it is, they're gonna get 2664 02:15:09.840 --> 02:15:12.359 a They're gonna get one of those two guys, I 2665 02:15:12.399 --> 02:15:16.119 would assume, and you know, and they're they may be 2666 02:15:16.319 --> 02:15:17.439 off to the races again. 2667 02:15:17.640 --> 02:15:18.039 I know. 2668 02:15:18.319 --> 02:15:21.119 It's uh, that's that's you know. I don't know what 2669 02:15:21.279 --> 02:15:25.720 to say about that, except except that's that's the proverbial 2670 02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:28.119 and literal bounce of the ball. 2671 02:15:28.279 --> 02:15:31.359 That's why they call it the lottery. There we go, Minni. 2672 02:15:31.399 --> 02:15:33.479 Thanks for your time, my friend. We'll see you soon, okay. 2673 02:15:33.279 --> 02:15:34.039 Ben's appreciate you. 2674 02:15:34.239 --> 02:15:37.600 Richard Smith live in studio five o'clock out and I 2675 02:15:37.680 --> 02:15:40.039 will kind of continue some of this conversation with the 2676 02:15:40.119 --> 02:15:42.039 Jazz Draft at A five. If you missed it earlier, 2677 02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:45.119 it's official Jason Tatum as ruptured as Achilles. He actually 2678 02:15:45.119 --> 02:15:47.840 already had surgery, so hopefully we'll see Tatum back and 2679 02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:50.279 better than ever at some point. Before we catch a break, 2680 02:15:50.359 --> 02:15:52.760 we welcome in Ryan from the Dish professionals. Give him 2681 02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:55.439 a call at eight oh one, four to two four dish. 2682 02:15:55.479 --> 02:15:56.960 She'll help you save a lot of money, get your 2683 02:15:56.960 --> 02:15:58.439 budget right with a bunch of different things. 2684 02:15:58.479 --> 02:16:01.399 What's going on right, and it's just crazy. 2685 02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:04.239 We know we've got so many customers that we have. 2686 02:16:04.399 --> 02:16:07.560 Saved, not just like a little bit, but we're talking 2687 02:16:07.720 --> 02:16:11.359 like three four thousand dollars over the next couple of years. 2688 02:16:12.000 --> 02:16:14.079 The promotion is just a sweetie. 2689 02:16:14.159 --> 02:16:17.359 It's a two year promotion. Price is guaranteed not to change. 2690 02:16:18.319 --> 02:16:22.319 You get actually a ton of programming less than a 2691 02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:24.680 lot of the competitors. I mean, that's the thing, and 2692 02:16:25.159 --> 02:16:28.520 that's right now. Price. We all know what's going to 2693 02:16:28.560 --> 02:16:32.239 happen six months down the road or cable. Every three months, 2694 02:16:32.280 --> 02:16:33.840 you're going to see a rat increase and the bill 2695 02:16:33.959 --> 02:16:36.639 is going to keep going up and up, and next 2696 02:16:36.680 --> 02:16:39.000 thing you know, you're going to be spending maybe twenty 2697 02:16:39.399 --> 02:16:41.840 fifty dollars more than what you were paying a couple 2698 02:16:41.879 --> 02:16:44.520 of years ago. Call up, get set with dish prices, 2699 02:16:44.559 --> 02:16:47.399 guarantee we'll get you movie channels, sets you up with 2700 02:16:47.479 --> 02:16:51.360 dinner at jcw's free installation, and get you the biggest, 2701 02:16:51.399 --> 02:16:54.719 fastest DVR out there. The Hopper calls today four two 2702 02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:58.399 four dish. It's eight oh one four two four dish. 2703 02:16:58.760 --> 02:17:01.200 Little James Taylor put you in a good mood if 2704 02:17:01.200 --> 02:17:03.399 you're a bummed out jazz fan today. 2705 02:17:04.719 --> 02:17:07.920 Nothing wrong with a little jt the right song. Yeah, No, 2706 02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:08.239 I love it. 2707 02:17:08.360 --> 02:17:12.879 Brian Santiago is now the new athletic director at Brigham 2708 02:17:12.920 --> 02:17:16.360 Young University. Tom Holmo stepped down a number of months 2709 02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:19.559 ago now, and apparently a search was held. I will 2710 02:17:19.600 --> 02:17:23.200 tell you this, Brian Santiago is very good friends with 2711 02:17:24.399 --> 02:17:25.719 Ryan Smith and Danny Ainge. 2712 02:17:26.440 --> 02:17:28.840 So keep it in the family, I guess. 2713 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:35.920 I mean, especially in today's age, those are relationships that 2714 02:17:37.040 --> 02:17:41.600 you don't look at. Is weird in the college space anymore. 2715 02:17:41.719 --> 02:17:45.239 You want them, you want all the money, all the boosters, 2716 02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:47.639 all the zoubs, You want them in that room, you 2717 02:17:47.680 --> 02:17:50.920 want their checkbooks open, and you want to be as 2718 02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:52.159 nice to them as possible. 2719 02:17:52.440 --> 02:17:54.559 And it appears that's going on at the moment. 2720 02:17:55.319 --> 02:17:56.280 Yes, indeed, all right. 2721 02:17:56.399 --> 02:18:01.559 NBA playoff action tonight because of the massive story of 2722 02:18:01.680 --> 02:18:05.200 the NBA Draft lottery again not just the Jazz ending 2723 02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:08.360 up at number five, but also two Western Conference teams 2724 02:18:08.399 --> 02:18:12.360 with already good young rosters, well good young roster in 2725 02:18:12.399 --> 02:18:15.040 San Antonio, still a lot of talent in Dallas, with 2726 02:18:15.200 --> 02:18:18.360 of course, a D and Kyrie. That's kind of taken 2727 02:18:18.440 --> 02:18:22.440 up most of our oxygen here. But Porter, are you 2728 02:18:22.600 --> 02:18:27.399 ready to say with Jason Tatum's sideline sadly that the 2729 02:18:27.440 --> 02:18:29.440 New York Knicks are going to the Eastern Conference Finals? 2730 02:18:32.600 --> 02:18:35.600 I think so, I think so. I decided, well, I 2731 02:18:35.639 --> 02:18:36.239 didn't decide. 2732 02:18:36.440 --> 02:18:39.200 It's not up to me to decide, but I had 2733 02:18:39.239 --> 02:18:41.600 a good feeling yesterday that the winner of that game 2734 02:18:41.799 --> 02:18:45.319 would win the series. I told my Celtics friends the 2735 02:18:45.399 --> 02:18:47.639 same thing. And then not only did the Knicks win 2736 02:18:47.719 --> 02:18:50.520 the series, but the Celtics also lost their best player, 2737 02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:54.280 a player who, yes, we've gone back and forth about 2738 02:18:54.319 --> 02:18:56.879 what he is in big moments and big times. He's 2739 02:18:56.920 --> 02:19:01.120 got a title, he's their most consistent wing. He's and 2740 02:19:01.239 --> 02:19:03.239 a good player on both ends of the floor. I 2741 02:19:03.440 --> 02:19:06.520 just don't know how you come back from three to 2742 02:19:06.600 --> 02:19:11.840 one without Jason Tatum, much less the the feat that 2743 02:19:11.959 --> 02:19:14.600 it would be to come back with Jason Tatum. 2744 02:19:15.159 --> 02:19:16.559 I've been wildly impressed, man. 2745 02:19:16.639 --> 02:19:20.040 I mean, Jalen is Jalen, but mckel bridges two different 2746 02:19:20.120 --> 02:19:23.719 fourth quarter just dominant offensive performances, and OG's been awesome. 2747 02:19:24.680 --> 02:19:29.639 A Pacers Nicks Eastern Conference finals no part of me. 2748 02:19:30.200 --> 02:19:32.479 You could have given me a million guesses at the 2749 02:19:32.520 --> 02:19:33.799 start of the year, no part of me would have 2750 02:19:33.879 --> 02:19:34.319 landed on that. 2751 02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:37.399 It also makes me a little a little scared, not 2752 02:19:37.559 --> 02:19:41.200 necessarily the matchup, that's more of a nostalgia history thing. 2753 02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:44.879 Yeah, look you're preaching to the choir. There a little 2754 02:19:44.920 --> 02:19:48.479 PTSD for Nick fans for sure. So look, all is 2755 02:19:48.559 --> 02:19:51.639 not lost Jazz fans. You can find great players all 2756 02:19:51.680 --> 02:19:54.319 over the place. But I understand why last night was 2757 02:19:54.479 --> 02:19:56.840 just in need of the groin. I will repeat, Let's 2758 02:19:56.920 --> 02:19:59.879 not be the type of people that win something to 2759 02:20:00.159 --> 02:20:02.559 not go our away. We simply cry like it's cheating 2760 02:20:02.719 --> 02:20:03.399 or it's fixed. 2761 02:20:03.440 --> 02:20:04.680 It's not. But it sucks. 2762 02:20:05.159 --> 02:20:06.959 I want to tell you by my friends at Prize Picks, 2763 02:20:07.000 --> 02:20:09.520 which does not suck. With millions of members, Prize Picks 2764 02:20:09.559 --> 02:20:11.840 has made daily fantasy sports accessible. 2765 02:20:11.399 --> 02:20:12.479 To all cash. 2766 02:20:12.520 --> 02:20:14.680 You into the basketball playoffs with Prize Picks, don't miss 2767 02:20:14.680 --> 02:20:16.559 your last chance to add your favorite players from the 2768 02:20:16.639 --> 02:20:19.600 court to your Prize Picks lineup, whether it's points, rebounds, 2769 02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:21.280 or assists. Take your pick of more or less for 2770 02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:23.879 your shots went up to two thousand times your cash today. 2771 02:20:24.440 --> 02:20:26.639 Turn your playoff hot takes you know, tickets to Basketball 2772 02:20:26.760 --> 02:20:30.239 Championship Series starting with a playing round. Every lineup you 2773 02:20:30.319 --> 02:20:32.360 make on Prize Picks will enter you into the Take 2774 02:20:32.399 --> 02:20:34.520 two tickets sweepstakes, which could get you and a plus 2775 02:20:34.600 --> 02:20:36.959 one VIP trip to the ship. So download the Prize 2776 02:20:37.000 --> 02:20:40.280 Picks up today. Use that promo code ESPN seven hundred. 2777 02:20:40.319 --> 02:20:42.319 You get fifty dollars when you play your first five 2778 02:20:42.360 --> 02:20:44.040 dollars bet. Don't even have to win the bet, you 2779 02:20:44.159 --> 02:20:47.000 just get the fifty. So download the Prize Picks app today. 2780 02:20:47.639 --> 02:20:50.319 Use the promo Cody ESPN seven hundred for free fifty 2781 02:20:50.319 --> 02:20:52.239 dollars on the house when you play that first five 2782 02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:55.440 dollars bet. Prize Picks run your game all season long. 2783 02:20:56.600 --> 02:20:58.319 All right, Porter, let's get out here. I'll be on 2784 02:20:58.399 --> 02:21:01.200 TV with Dave Fox tonight thirty five Cam. Why you 2785 02:21:01.239 --> 02:21:04.120 would call it? Five questions with Spence? What comes our way? 2786 02:21:04.159 --> 02:21:06.000 On a Wednesday edition of the show. 2787 02:21:06.319 --> 02:21:09.120 On a Wednesday edition of The Drive, Spence of course, 2788 02:21:09.159 --> 02:21:12.799 Sarah Todd talking some jazz, talking some NBA Draft lottery, 2789 02:21:12.879 --> 02:21:16.479 the number five pick. She is like Andy at the 2790 02:21:16.600 --> 02:21:19.239 NBA Draft combine. So we'll get some stuff from her 2791 02:21:19.440 --> 02:21:22.600 on the ground. There Neil Smith will stop by NHL 2792 02:21:22.680 --> 02:21:24.959 wrap around a little update. I know it's been heavy 2793 02:21:25.000 --> 02:21:27.399 on the NBA side the last few days, but a 2794 02:21:27.440 --> 02:21:31.840 little update on the NHL postseason. Chris Camerannie in studio 2795 02:21:31.920 --> 02:21:35.479 for an entire hour on a Wednesday and speaking of 2796 02:21:35.559 --> 02:21:38.760 our New York Nicks. One of my favorites that I've 2797 02:21:38.840 --> 02:21:42.559 met in this sports business. He is one Quentin Richardson, 2798 02:21:42.600 --> 02:21:46.559 the former Nick and NBA great. Now with the ESPN 2799 02:21:46.719 --> 02:21:50.639 we got Q on the show. You knucklehead, that's our guy. 2800 02:21:50.719 --> 02:21:52.479 You can't see what I'm doing, but look on YouTube. 2801 02:21:52.639 --> 02:21:54.479 All right, there you go. That'll be a fun Wednesday 2802 02:21:54.520 --> 02:21:55.120 show special. 2803 02:21:55.239 --> 02:21:58.639 Thank you to Andy Larson, Alamiteou, Tim McMahon and Richard 2804 02:21:58.719 --> 02:21:59.959 Smith for any of the saud you may have missed 2805 02:22:00.000 --> 02:22:02.479 from the show. Just go to the website ESPN seven 2806 02:22:02.559 --> 02:22:04.840 hundred sports dot com, download the mobile app, Take us 2807 02:22:04.879 --> 02:22:07.399 on the Goats how I listen to our station, and 2808 02:22:07.479 --> 02:22:10.000 then support our podcast page. Please, if you like what 2809 02:22:10.120 --> 02:22:12.600 we do in the afternoons, your support on our pod 2810 02:22:12.680 --> 02:22:15.040 will help us. It's called The Drive with Spence. Check 2811 02:22:15.079 --> 02:22:15.600 its that's. 2812 02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:17.920 Available wherever you get your shows. Reporter. 2813 02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:20.040 I'm Spence saying to I talk to you on a 2814 02:22:20.079 --> 02:22:22.000 Wednesday edition of the program, and as always, you can 2815 02:22:22.040 --> 02:22:24.639 find it right here on ESPN seven hundred ninety two 2816 02:22:24.639 --> 02:22:24.959 and FFM. 2817 02:22:25.040 --> 02:22:27.280 We are proud to be part of Utah's ESPN Radio 2818 02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:27.639 network