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Dot Untold Radio 22 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:06.560 Network dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog. My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it. Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.640 was my dog coming over the fence. What are you reporting? 31 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.439 We got some wonder or something crawling around out here? 32 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.359 Did you see what it was? It enough out here 33 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.359 looking them new to window now and I don't need anything. 34 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:10.560 I don't want to go outside. It's fat. Hello, hit 35 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:13.120 the buddy out here? What quint on Melter? I thought 36 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:15.639 of a bit about tech foot nine. I don't know 37 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.520 eat an outer. Yeah, I'm walking right, heady and folks. 38 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:21.479 Will welcome O guest to the show. It is Nonah 39 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.680 Boss from Florida. Welcome to the show. 40 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:25.319 Thank you for having me. 41 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:27.960 This has been a long time coming. We're out here 42 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.800 on location at the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference camp out 43 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:36.159 in the wild Ozark Mountains of Missouri. I want to 44 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.199 start where I start with everybody when I bring him 45 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:40.599 on the show. What in the world got you interested 46 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:42.360 in the subject of Bigfoot to begin with? 47 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:48.560 Actually it was Leonard Nimoy's In Search of episode as 48 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:51.719 a little kid. It just sparked my interest. So I 49 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.039 was like, Oh, this is cool? Is this real? Anything 50 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:58.199 and everything I could find and watch as a kid, 51 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:02.360 I just gravitated to it. Moving to South Florida in 52 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.759 nineteen eighty, people talked about the Skun Cape all the time. 53 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.240 They're like, oh, dunk on the woods, dunk on the woods, 54 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:10.240 especially at night. And then I had a sighting in 55 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:14.039 nineteen eighty six. It was a nighttime sighting. We were 56 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.000 out on the levee out in the middle of the Everglades. 57 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:21.000 We were looking for snakes. They come up to the 58 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.199 top of the levee to get warmth that night. Yeah, 59 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:27.240 it's a one vehicle road. It's just basically a service 60 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:29.599 road kind of thing. On each side, it's just nothing 61 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:32.000 but sawgrass. As far as I can see, it's just 62 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:34.599 saw grass. Then you may see we off in the 63 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.080 distance another levee out there, because it's like this grid 64 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.360 of service levees. We had our lights on, but we're 65 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:44.800 going really slow. It was just this black thing, but 66 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:46.560 we weren't sure. We just saw it at the edge 67 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:49.719 of the lights. It was climbing up or crawling up 68 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.000 the side of the levee to get to the top, 69 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.759 and there was just this one fluid movement. It's so 70 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.280 difficult to describe. It's just like it went from literally 71 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.879 on all forest, climbing up the side to this crazy, 72 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:07.599 weird fluid. Okay, I'm taking a step and I'm upright, 73 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:12.199 so it's standing upright. It took a step. One step. 74 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.520 That step landed literally in the middle of the road 75 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:20.519 and it just stopped. It turned, looked at us, then 76 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:23.319 took the next step, and it was down the other 77 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:25.759 side of the levee. It was actually really scary. It 78 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:29.399 was very shocking. There's nothing out there that could be 79 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.199 in sawgrass. I don't know where the heck it came from, 80 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.720 but it traveled through sawgrass and then went on the 81 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.240 other side down into sawgrass. When it looked at us 82 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.879 when it stopped, and it looked and had these red 83 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.480 eyes and it was not eyeshine. They were illuminating red. 84 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:51.800 It had to have been I don't know, at least 85 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.240 eight feet the body was jet black, and it looked 86 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.519 like Patty, like that big bulky body type. And it 87 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.720 was just such a strange thing to see out there, 88 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.680 you know what I mean, there's nothing out there like that. 89 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:06.680 You're lucky if maybe you see once in a while 90 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.399 armadillo here, or a rabbit here, or maybe a bobcat 91 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:12.319 once it on a blue moon. Because the first thought 92 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.319 was was that a bear? Did we just see a bear? 93 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.279 Your mind, you're trying to kind of debunk it. You're 94 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.360 trying to figure out, Wait, there are no bear here, 95 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:24.120 not right here, There is no bear, especially an eight 96 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:28.720 foot tall black bear. It actually was scary though, because 97 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.720 you're out there and this thing is huge. What do 98 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:35.120 you do? You can't do a three point turn? So 99 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.600 what do we do? Do We go down the direction 100 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.040 he was at, put it in reverse, get the jeep 101 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.480 in reverse, back out. It was really scary. For a 102 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.319 long time, neither one of us really talked about what 103 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.079 we saw, even though, like I said, people would be like, oh, 104 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.160 I was skunkcape, don't going was at night. I just 105 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.720 never really talked about it. I would tell my kids 106 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.639 the same thing, don't go on the wizard night. Skunkcape's 107 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:00.160 gonna get you. And I used to do that to 108 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.959 my own kids, right, But they thought I was half 109 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.480 joking because I never actually shared my experience with them 110 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:08.959 until they were grown men with their own kids. That 111 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.879 happened in nineteen eighty six. In twenty twenty two, my 112 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.879 son had a YouTube channel and we were going down 113 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.079 this road together looking for this thing because he had 114 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.040 come to find out he had his own experience as well, 115 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.079 his own inciting when he was about eight years old 116 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:28.639 that I never told me about. There was an area 117 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.439 not too far from his grandmother's house, and he was 118 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.839 in this hilarias near a state park. He was back 119 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.279 in there looking for a little hermit crabs and just 120 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.480 doing what an eight year old does in the woods. 121 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.759 He felt like something was standing over his shoulder looking 122 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.600 at him. He moved his head and there it was. 123 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.279 He was just standing there. He froze for a second, 124 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.240 and he just got up and ran back to the house. 125 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.120 I remember the day. Never told me exactly what happened, 126 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.920 but I remember the day. When he got to the house. 127 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:01.959 He was all panting, are you okay, what's going on? 128 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.079 What's going on? And he's like I was just running. 129 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.360 I was just running. I'm like, all right. He never 130 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:10.600 explained it, never really told me. As a mom, even 131 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:12.399 though I knew someone was going on, I wouldn't have 132 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:14.879 ever thought it was that it was interesting that he 133 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:16.959 had described to me what it looked like and that 134 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:21.199 it was this beautiful amber color. So in twenty twenty two, 135 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:23.600 it was actually a little family thing that we were 136 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:26.639 doing that day. We were in a big cypress preserve. 137 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.519 We're on a trail. On one side of the trail, 138 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:34.240 saw this huge depression, this big round depression. We're checking 139 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.399 it out as researchers, were like, what the heck, And 140 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.600 then we see there's two game trails that literally came 141 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:45.279 to a v right in towards this big round hole 142 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.360 in the ground. We were just like, wow, this is weird, 143 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:52.240 Like why would two game trails come and converge? Are 144 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.560 you here? So we're just trying to work that out 145 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.199 in our minds. My daughter in law was still on 146 00:07:57.279 --> 00:07:59.079 the trail and Matt and I are off the trail 147 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.720 to take a look at this, and literally from the 148 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:06.160 other side of the trail, you could hear the stick 149 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.839 was thrown and you could hear it like coming at you. 150 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.879 It came over the trail and it landed in between 151 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:17.839 Matt and I like, okay, don't look at that. Look 152 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.800 over here. I'm like, where did that come from? Let's 153 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.199 go I'm going I'm gonna go check that. 154 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:22.600 Out with that. 155 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.160 So we abandoned what we were doing, went across the 156 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.199 road and I'm standing there and I'm like, where did 157 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:31.639 this come from? Trying to figure out where I need 158 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.440 to be focusing. It was interesting because my first experience 159 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:42.159 was very terrifying. Right, this was not It was calm, peaceful, serene. 160 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:46.279 I see him, we lock eyes. I' mean just in awe. 161 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:50.519 The interesting thing was is he was not this big 162 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.679 patty dark black and it was beautiful auburn. He had 163 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:59.960 this really soft, ashy grayskin, and he looked more human, 164 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.799 kind of Native American features a little bit, but he 165 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.440 looked so human in the face, just so human. He 166 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.919 didn't have a conical head. It was round. We're looking 167 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:14.600 at each other and he just sank down like a periscope, 168 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.279 straight down, and he's gone. Because Matt and I had 169 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.440 been documenting this thing on the other side of the trio, 170 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.799 this depression, I had my selfie stick. I just start 171 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:26.720 putting it up in the air, and I'm just taking 172 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.279 pictures right, just from right to left. My daughter in 173 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.679 law she's over on my right hand side. My son's 174 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:34.320 on the left. She's doing the same thing. She's a 175 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.600 professional photographer. Suit she had a cannon. She loves to 176 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.240 go out in the wilderness with books and take pictures 177 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.759 and stuff. So I go home, I'm looking through my 178 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.840 photos and I don't see shit. I don't see anything. 179 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:49.799 I called my son and said, hey, send me the 180 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.159 photos Kaitlin took. I want to see all those photos 181 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.200 she took. I found it in one of her photos. 182 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.759 That's what I saw. But, like I said, wasn't the 183 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.919 big bulky Patty looked to it at all. It was 184 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:07.200 this basketball players lean, only about seven seve and a half. 185 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.639 Maybe it wasn't all the tall. But it just gave 186 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.759 me such a different feeling from the first sighting that 187 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:17.559 I had. It was calm, it was peaceful, and it 188 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:22.240 was like I'm here, I see you, and now you 189 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.799 could see me. All right, I gotta go. That's how 190 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:26.519 it felt for me. 191 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.399 I want to go back to the first sighting that 192 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.799 you had at night. Obviously you had seen in search 193 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.360 of bigfoot was on your radar somewhat at that point. 194 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.840 Did it immediately register to you when you guys saw 195 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.279 what you saw? That's what you saw? Did you have 196 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.639 this internal debate? Was that a big foot? Could it 197 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.039 have been something else? Obviously it could have been a bear, 198 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.240 but there's no bears in that area that kind of thing. 199 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.080 Was that the internal conversation you were having with yourself? 200 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:54.600 And I guess the second part of that would be, 201 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.200 this is something I've heard so many times. People are together, 202 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.840 they have this experience together, and then it's complete silence. 203 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.200 Nobody talks about it. Do you have a theory on 204 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:06.519 why that is? Even though you shared this with the 205 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:08.480 other person, if you talk about it, it makes it 206 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.840 more real? What was it for you? Do you think 207 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.799 that kept you guys from talking about that experience afterwards? 208 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:18.159 Yes, you're right, I definitely from the in search of episode, 209 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.559 in the moment I knew what I was looking at, 210 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.240 I did. In the moment, I knew exactly what the 211 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:30.159 hell it was. However, after it, You're like, this literally 212 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:35.679 just happened to me. So I'm trying to compartmentalize, and 213 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:37.919 then I'm like, wait a minute, let me critically think 214 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.159 this through. Could it have been a bear? Could it 215 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.840 have been a person? I'm ticking off the boxes because 216 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.240 I thought through the years, Okay, if I can tick 217 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:52.480 off this box, then that eliminates this. Okay, this eliminates thought. 218 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:54.440 And then what I get all the way down to 219 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.519 it was bigfoot. There is no other thing it could 220 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.879 have been. So I felt, if I'm eliminating everything that 221 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.399 it could possibly be, I was only left with one 222 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.159 thing at the end of all of that. Why we 223 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.720 never really talked about it? Honestly, I never really gave 224 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.440 a thought to that till you just asked that question. 225 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:17.919 I do think that there is on some level, even 226 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:21.559 though you know what you saw, talking about it makes 227 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.799 it even more real. And I believe that people have 228 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.720 their experience and choose one or two pathways. They either 229 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:34.000 shut it down, try to forget about it, or they 230 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.840 start their own journey looking for it more almost an obsession. 231 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:41.440 I think they almost mentally make a decision. I'm gonna 232 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:44.720 not think and talk about this, but I think I 233 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:45.399 need to know more. 234 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.799 One of the things that happened after my experiences last 235 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.600 summer out in the Pacific Northwest was I doubted myself. 236 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:55.639 I knew what I had experienced, I knew what I 237 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:57.960 was ten feet away from, but I still had these 238 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.799 doubts in my mind of was it really Even though 239 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:04.279 I knew we saw what we saw, I still went 240 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.679 through that for a while. The difference in our experience 241 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:10.440 is we weren't able to talk about it publicly for 242 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.639 so long, and we wanted to so badly. We would 243 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.759 have those conversations among the team. I've talked about this before. 244 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:19.080 Right after you have an experience like that, it's very 245 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.559 much it goes back to the my days as a 246 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.840 police officer. You're involved in something traumatic and officer involved 247 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:27.480 shooting or something like that. It takes two or three, 248 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:31.200 sometimes four sleep cycles for people to fully recall what 249 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.480 they experienced because there's trauma involved, there's high adrenaline involved. 250 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.200 We were eventually able to talk about those things. It's 251 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.960 such an interesting part of this when people experience those 252 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.480 things together and they don't talk about it. I always 253 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.039 like to have those conversations to see what it's like 254 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.559 for everybody, because it's different. It's a different experience, and 255 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:51.480 like you said, you process it differently and it sends 256 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.320 you in one of two directions. The other question I 257 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:55.919 have for you before we move on to some of 258 00:13:55.960 --> 00:14:00.840 your other experiences is I experienced something in the Pasaific Northwest. 259 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.600 I was chasing this thing from ten feet away with 260 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.039 the zero fear. I've talked about it so many times publicly. 261 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.080 I had this moment where Bubba suggested somebody stay behind. 262 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.799 I was the first to volunteer for that, and I 263 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:17.159 got a very ominous, overwhelming fear that I could not explain, 264 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:19.240 and I got the hell out of there. You had 265 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:23.879 very different experiences with the nighttime siding versus what you 266 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.879 experienced in your daylight class a experience. I know it's 267 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.440 subjective and there's really no way to know, but have 268 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.279 you thought about what the difference in those scenarios was 269 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.279 and why you had the fear that you had in 270 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.679 the first sighting that you didn't experience when you were 271 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.559 closer and it was daylight when you saw this thing. 272 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.759 Do you think there's something to that. Was it because 273 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:45.480 it was at night or do you think that it's 274 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:49.120 possible that there are different experiences that people have with 275 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:50.519 these creatures for other reasons. 276 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.039 I think the first one, at my nighttime sighting, I 277 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.600 feel like it was more shocking. It was just so shocking. 278 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.960 It's something you don't expect, and your brain can't process 279 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:02.399 something that it's never seen before. 280 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.279 And stay tuned for more sasquat chota sy. We're going 281 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.039 right back after these messages. 282 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.600 Your brain doesn't understand what it's looking at because your 283 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.080 brain has nothing to reference it. Your brain can't go, oh, 284 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.360 I've seen that before, so I know exactly what that is. Boom, okay, 285 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.200 move on. Your brain is struggling in that moment. I 286 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:30.519 think now the daytime sighting. Honestly, I know this sounds crazy. 287 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:32.639 I'm sorry. Let me go back a little bit. So 288 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:37.039 the nighttime sighting. I think that there was fear as 289 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.600 I look back now in hindsight twenty twenty. But as 290 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:42.559 I look back at it, my fear wasn't necessarily that 291 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:44.480 I thought it was going to harm us, because it 292 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.799 literally acted like, oh you're there. Oh, I'm just going 293 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:52.080 about my business. So other than look our direction, it 294 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.000 gave nothing that said I should be in fear. The 295 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.720 fear part of it was only from my perspective that 296 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.720 was me having that response to this interaction. The daytime sighting, 297 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.399 I think I was just so open to it because 298 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.000 I had been in the community for a while. My 299 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.519 son and I had been one of few expeditions and 300 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.960 several hikes and different places. We've been in Florida looking 301 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:20.080 for evidence, and we've had lots and lots of experiences, 302 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.919 all different types of experiences. So I think it was 303 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.639 just super open to it. Okay, there he is. I 304 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.159 had this experience. It was scary on my part, but 305 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:33.080 I'm looking for it right now. Whether he knew I 306 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.200 had that intention or not, I don't know. Some people 307 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.120 think that if you go in with a specific intention 308 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.799 that it's going to change your experience, or you have 309 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.840 a better potential for an experience if your intention is 310 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.000 that you don't mean them any harm. All these things 311 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.039 right that may or may not be true. I don't know. 312 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.480 All I know is that we were there to investigate, 313 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.480 we were looking for evidence, and it just happened. But 314 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.879 we were on the road looking for this thing, so 315 00:16:59.000 --> 00:16:59.879 I was open to it. 316 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.519 Let's go into some of your other experiences that you've 317 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.359 had while you've been out looking for these things. 318 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.039 Okay, we have an area that my son and I 319 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:11.759 go to. We do have a little gifting area, little 320 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:16.920 spot we're there one night. The area is not public land. 321 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.359 You're allowed to be in there during the day, but 322 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.400 at night time you got to get out of there 323 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.880 by dusk. So what we do is we hike in. 324 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:26.759 We hike in I don't know about an hour in, 325 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.839 We go check our a little gifting area, see if 326 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:32.960 there's any activity. Then we hike back out. Then we 327 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.160 sit and hang out, listen, see if there's any interactions anything. 328 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:39.799 He had a front ends that came and met us 329 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.920 there that night. He's got this big old hummer. He 330 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.559 decides he's going to blast the Sierra Sounds. I'm like, dude, 331 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:50.079 I don't know if this is a good idea. We've 332 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.799 never done that before. I'm sure what kind of reaction 333 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.279 are we going to get? And he's just hell bent 334 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.279 on it. He blasts. He had it on a loop. 335 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.799 I don't know. I just felt like it wasn't right. 336 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:02.920 I felt like this was not a cool thing to 337 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:06.039 be doing. And the first rock comes in and it 338 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:09.119 hit his hummer, hit the front of his hummer. I said, 339 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:11.839 think you better turn that off. He just kept fighting it. 340 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.160 He was really wanting to antagonize the shit out of them. 341 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.319 I'm sorry to say that's exactly what his intent was. 342 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.400 I could tell. I'm just like, dude, this is not right. 343 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:21.400 You can't do this. Finally he turns it off and 344 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:25.759 second rock comes in, except this rock hits his windshield 345 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.359 so hard it chipped it. I've got the photos of 346 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:30.759 his windshield where it hit and you can see the 347 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.279 chip and all that. So he gets a little ballsy 348 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.279 and he thinks, I almost see where that came from, 349 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.920 and he starts walking down. Rock three comes in. Rock 350 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.640 three comes in and lands literally in the center of 351 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:47.359 the top of my suv. Guys, I think we need 352 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:50.000 to go at this point, like we really do. We 353 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:51.920 need to get out of here. They're very upset, they're 354 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.319 obviously super agitated. This is not going well. We need 355 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.839 to go. So Matt and I start putting everything in 356 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.599 the car, packing up, and he's still trying to see 357 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:04.720 where things are coming from, and he's still trying to 358 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.160 still force some kind of interaction, like we need to go. 359 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.319 Rock four comes in and it hits the side of 360 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:16.240 his hummer. Again. We go over, and every rock was 361 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:19.880 getting bigger and bigger. Rock four was size of the 362 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.200 palm of my hands. Then Rock five comes in. Rock 363 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.799 five comes in and it's bigger than a softball. It 364 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.279 was big. Like I said, there's these signs that say, hey, 365 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:31.960 you can't be here after dusk. So there's these metal 366 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.039 signs telling you all this. And it hit that dead center. 367 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.160 It hit so hard that it dented the metal sign 368 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.759 and I'm like, okay, we are getting the hell out 369 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.519 of here. Matt was over looking at the rock and 370 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.440 he starts taking pictures of it and he's shining a 371 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:50.160 light on it and he goes, Mom, there's like a 372 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.400 hair on this rock. I'm like, what do you mean, 373 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.480 there's a hair on the rock. I said, look, grab 374 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.319 a paper bag. Bag it up. We got to get 375 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.359 out of here, and we left his ass there. We 376 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.640 were out. I was like, uh uh no, we're done. 377 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.519 They're pissed. We're leaving. Is I'm gonna stay, so go 378 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:08.079 right ahead, go right ahead. So yeah, next day we 379 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.519 find out that they scared the Bejesus out of him 380 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.000 and he left about ten minutes after we did. But 381 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:17.799 that hair on that rock, and I'll show you photos 382 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:25.839 is interesting. It's a white, totally translucent, clear hair. It's 383 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:30.240 almost like a curly cue position on the rock. It's 384 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:32.720 very weird. And the other thing that we did notice too, 385 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:35.960 on the other two rocks that we were able to collect, 386 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.880 they were wet and it hadn't rained. There was no 387 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.680 water in the area because we'd hiked in and hiked 388 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.200 back out and there wasn't really any water around. So 389 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.440 we were thinking maybe they were holding them in their mouth. Possibly, 390 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.119 we don't know, but it was weird that they were wet. 391 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:54.000 We couldn't figure out how and why they would have 392 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:59.079 been wet. But yeah, honestly, that was probably the scariest 393 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.039 thing that I've ever experience because it was intentional. Okay, 394 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:05.599 I'm going to throw a small rock. You didn't listen 395 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:07.480 to me. Next one is going to be a little bigger, 396 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:09.119 and the next one's going to be a little closer. 397 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.640 So it just seemed, Okay, this is escalating and I'll 398 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:14.400 got to mess with the Sierra sounds out in the 399 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.599 woods again. Ever, lesson learned. 400 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.799 I can't say that I'll blame you for that. 401 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.960