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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season three,

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episode forty four of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler.

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We got the phone crew. We got Adam Oslin in

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his house, not his car. We have William Updyke also

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in his home, not usually in his car. Thank you

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for hanging out with us. Thank you for listening. If

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you're watching us at YouTube dot com Slash at Clippers podcast,

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we appreciate that as well. We're gonna be talking the

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Clippers five hundred road trip. There was some good, there

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were some bad. We're gonna talk what the Lakers move

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means for this upcoming game on Tuesday, as well as

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just kind of the future of the most Hated Enemies

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of the Clippers list, which I think firmly has a

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number one spot. Now, they're just gonna talk maybe some

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other acquisitions the Clippers might make after their bombshell trade

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earlier in the week of PJ. Tucker. Before we get

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into it, will I don't want to put you on blast,

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but you are making a roast today and it looked delicious.

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How else is that? How you're coping with this loss

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to the Raptors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coping with this loss of the Raptors, coping with

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how a certain other franchise can seem to just slam

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a plane into the ground and still get given a

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new one or find another way around. So yeah, it's

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it's good. It's good stuff, all good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what a yeah? Should we just open? Should

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we open?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, I don't know how we're gonna go through

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a whole segment without talking about.

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Speaker 1: It, right, all right, Yeah, let's talk about it. What

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was this trade?

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Speaker 3: How did this incompetence? Massive incompetence? This is you know,

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I listened to Nico Harrison a little bit earlier today

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at that pregame presser, dude, and I don't know, I

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don't have a lot of confidence to what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Before he left before he answered like three things and

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that was just like all right, Jason Kidd has it

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from here. Have a good rest of your day, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Well, in case you didn't know, Charles run down the

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trade like it just if for some reason you're listening

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to this podcast, but you slept in very long yesterday

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or something, maybe went to bed very early.

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Speaker 1: Didn't see this, bro? What was it?

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Speaker 3: This has reached our grandma's Like this everybody knows about

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this trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just in case you don't, let's run down the trade.

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Speaker 1: Luca Dodgers is going to the Lakers. They also get

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Max and Kleba Markeith Morris. Dallas gets Max Christy Anthony

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Davis at the twenty twenty nine first round pick. Highway

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run first round pick, which is what happens when you

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don't start a bidding war and your I don't know

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how to word it without sounding not respectful. It's such

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a bad trade. Objectively, there's no way that it worked

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because they're not gonna win a championship like it, So

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like it.

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Speaker 2: It begs to me like it begs a pretty insane question. Though,

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Like let's say, like, let's just say while this case

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of scenarios, they somehow win a championship this year, I

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don't think it's pushed everything to the table.

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Speaker 1: For one ship.

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Speaker 2: You're still losing out on what like nine years probably

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of a of a star's like peak or close to peak,

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and in return, you've gotten an older, more entry pump

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prone star and one first round pick that is not

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gonna be as good as the guy that you trade it.

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So like, like, even if this played out in the

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bestest of case scenarios, and they wanted ship this year.

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You're still hacking off like a pretty big portion of

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competitive years.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you disagree, Do you disagree? Isn't

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worth it?

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Speaker 3: And it could be it depends on what the Lakers

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do with Luca. They might only get one. So I

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like that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like.

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Speaker 3: It's also saying, is Mark Cuban no longer in charge? Like?

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What what is happening here with the Dallas Mavericks? Why

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would they they only work with the Lakers on this.

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Nobody knew about this, including Jason Kidd, but they're so

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tight him and Nico Harrison. He was certain that Jason

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Kidd would be down with it, and he has to

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sit there and nod his head.

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Speaker 1: Made a call. We thought our friend would be on

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you look at the Donovan Mitchell trade,

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I don't know the Paul George trade, and the amount

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of draft assets you end up getting smart trade to it.

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They they either okay, I think it's two fair. They

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hate Luca at this point. They hate him and they

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don't want him to get the Supermax, and they're cutting

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off their nose to spite their face. And they love

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Anthony Davis beyond a reasonable amount, Like apparently they've been

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in love with Anthony Davis, who's a very good player.

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He has real health concerns and he's six years older,

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So what are we doing here a.

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Speaker 2: Lifetime and he's a full contract older then Luca.

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Speaker 1: They've also that's a good way to look at it.

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They also cost Luca one hundred and fifty million dollars, So.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying they they're stopping him from getting the Supermax.

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Speaker 1: They're running the risk of him just scoring one hundred

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and fifteen points against them every single time they each other,

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which might be possible given the injury situation they have,

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which is unfortunate selfishly this now, I don't know who

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was above Luca in the most disliked you know, current

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rival players of this era of clipperdom. I don't know

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who is above Luca, but there certainly is no one

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else above him now after what we've gone through in

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the playoffs and now that he's a Laker, he has

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to be the most other than Joe Ingles, like they're

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the one a one b right now for least favorite people.

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If you're a Clippers fan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they created the ultimate super villain for the Clippers.

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Put Luka Doncic on the Lakers. As if we haven't

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seen enough of Luka Doncic. Now you get him four

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times a year in the pactive and he could have

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been somebody that the Clippers maybe had a chance at

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getting in the summer of twenty twenty seven. He's not

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going anywhere. The Lakers aren't gonna let him get away.

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This is over. This is their new franchise player. I've

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been saying for years, like lucas one of the greatest

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basketball players I've ever seen, and he's still this young

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right now, that is twenty five. I'd I've never been

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a hater of the Luca antics so much because I

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don't know, it's masked by all the great basketball shots

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that he has made, and I just don't care. I

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get why some people hate him so much, but I've

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just never been like that because I'm so in awe

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of what a great basketball player he is. That that

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you served everything else.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hate that part of it, So I guess

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I can understand where where you're coming from.

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Speaker 4: Like he's one of the greatest players ever skill wise.

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They just went to the championship with him last season.

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For this to happen now and for him to be

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going to the Lakers, of all teams, it is one

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of the most parallel universe, you know, crazy, I don't know,

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just unbelievable Lakers luck type of good fortune for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this was a this was a one

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of one offer. You know, there were no other offers

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floating around. It's it's just if the thing is so

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absurd to me, and I you know, I got a

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little tinfoil hat about it yesterday. I was like, there's

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gotta be like they have to know something about Lucas

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medicals or something like that. That's not looking good because like,

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why else do you give away a franchise player for

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only a single Like I mean, Anthony Davis is great,

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don't get me wrong, but like we're talking about two

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different stratospheres of basketball kind of and what a franchise

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player can bring and just with the age and only

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getting one single pick. Yeah, like it it kind of

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Speaker 1: And do they piss Kyrie off?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: We talked about how much it seemed Luca loved playing together,

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and that's why Kyrie was having such a good season,

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right because the vibes were so good.

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Speaker 3: Apparently he and a dieer boys Jason Kidd knows a

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the Lakers in the Bubble in twenty twenty. I remember

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all the talk of Jason Kid's gonna take Fake Bubble's job.

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There are relationships there, but yeah, Lucas Luca to not

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get at least three first round picks for him, even

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with giving up Anthony Davis to me, who I thought

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some people were looking at. You know, that Anthony Davis

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contract could be somewhat problematic if he keeps getting hurt here.

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Maybe the conditioning issue with Luca is so bad that

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they are just banking. And I did have some thoughts

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about him with.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you take offers? Though, if it's really about.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's crazy, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you, like twenty eight other franchises, don't fucking care.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what somebody is saying Nate Jones, who thinks

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he's the smartest guy in the room all the time

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on on X Siry.

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Speaker 1: But this was somebody that put the gun away out

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of it.

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Speaker 3: Look, I have a receipt on him that is an

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old timer where he asked, who would you guys rather

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have D'Angelo Russell or Jamal Murray? And this is like

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in twenty nineteen or something like that. You know when

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Dilo had that one year where it was All Star

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down to everyone. It does. It does seem like that

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he's saying, if they created the bidding war, Luca would

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then just force his way to one team. If you

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told Luca that we're trading you, he would for one

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team exactly that one team would go, oh thank goodness,

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here have the world take it all? Like, do you

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think that the Kings can't get a ton still for

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Daron Fox because the one team it sounds like he

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wants to go to is the San Antonio Spurs. Do

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you really think you're losing that much value or it

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would get less for him than then what they got

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for the Lakers. That's crazy. It tells me go in

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fascinated with Anthony Davis and they hate Luca Dacis. That's

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Speaker 1: The smear campaign on his way out of them leaking

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the two hundred and seventy pound thing and like that

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Speaker 2: Though if he s seventy, that's I saw a big boy.

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Speaker 3: I go.

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Speaker 1: I obviously dislike I don't like Luca for competitive reasons

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and stuff like that. It is crazy to me that

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the organization would leak something like that, Like the players

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are so heat, that's heat behavior, dude. The Players Association

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has to have something to say about like telling your

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beat reporter to say that he weighs two hundred and

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seventy pounds, Like that's just that's crazy, that's not you know,

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what? Like Lebron was like to eight. I

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Speaker 1: Well, but yeah, Lebron's I think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's that far fetched.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, he's six eight, though I know what's their build.

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Lebron is like.

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Speaker 3: Lucas Luca he is, but Luca this summer during the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: But Len's like strong too?

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Speaker 3: Is going on?

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Speaker 1: Right? Luca?

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Speaker 3: Though I don't think it's that far fetched that he

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was pushing close to to seventy at some point over

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the last year.

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Speaker 1: I get that. I just mean the team literally beat

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like because they already traded him, Like the trade had

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already happened, and then they were like, all right.

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Speaker 3: But now you have to justify it, so you have

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Speaker 1: Well, and that goes to show how gross and that

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just like how bad of it. Like when you have

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Everybody in the organization also.

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Speaker 2: Like, this is an organization that has uh swept some

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bigger stuff underneath the rug, been somebody gaining a little

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bit of weight, and people didn't lose their jobs for decades.

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So don't like, don't suddenly come in with this thing like, oh,

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he's been miserable, he's been so hard to work with.

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We just had to get off of him, Okay. I

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I think there are some staffers who would say otherwise

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about some some other people that have been on the

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payroll and were allowed to do abominable things that was

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ignored by the organization.

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Speaker 1: So I can't completely buy it.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, he has a bad attitude, he's fat,

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like I can't get it.

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Speaker 3: Well, apparently in this world.

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Speaker 1: That's a bad attitude. He's fat, That is literally what

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they're saying.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing things are nasty, and I think the conditioning

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issues are real. It's something I've been thinking about for

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a while. Like he keeps going down this path, it

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is to affect him. Eventually, We'll catch up with you

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as you get older, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: We would see it, like when the playoff series, it

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was obvious when he would become tired.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, he's so skilled that you think, oh, I

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can keep getting away with this because I have this

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pinpoint accuracy. But at some point if you keep thinking that,

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I don't know, it could come back to really bite him.

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Like but but.

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Speaker 2: Turn out fine for Harden, Like, I don't know, like

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watching James Harden right now, I'm like the way that

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this guy was kind of like conducting, the way that

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he was taking care of his body. For a while,

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I was like, I love watching James Harden so much.

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It's a bummer. I'm not going to see him in

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six years and he's like having a second renaissance right now.

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You could turn it around. You can get guys to

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buy in like, I think that the issue was on

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you at that point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, despite any conditioning issues, it's a

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no brainer trade. Any GM is making this move. Rob

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Polinka did not have to go light years to make

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this trade. And this is the problem. It feels like

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the Lakers, like you alluded to to start this conversation off.

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and everything came up roses still for them, you know,

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they had five years where they averaged twenty five victories,

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and what did that lead to getting Lebron James to

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come to their team somehow? Like they they luck into

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these things. It doesn't matter. It's just that's what's really annoying.

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Speaker 2: They pivoted away from the entire identity that they won

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a championship with, let like a third of the roster

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walk and like, and then tried to rebuild this whole

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new thing. And yeah, they made a they made a

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Western Conferce Finals appearance, got absolutely washed, and now like

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they just luck into another new thing.

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Speaker 3: They have the guy that I've been saying I think

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is gonna be the next face of the league when

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Lebron retires, is playing with Lebron for the Lakers. This

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works out great for the end. They get Luca in La.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Luca, however, will not be in La on Tuesday,

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which is when we play the Lakers. We as the Clippers,

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not US three.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we'll better be a washing that night.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that a bit because with Anthony Davis,

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the Lakers were twenty six then opponent's points per game

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in the paint. So I have a feeling we're gonna

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talk about what happened today with Zubots not getting the ball,

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but maybe he should have. Tuesday is a day where

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Zoo could have a twenty and twenty game. Who is

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playing Jackson Hayes is gonna stop and beats the Zubots

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like this is a this is a time for Zoo

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like it could things could go crazy on Tuesday or

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the other way, because it is a player.

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Speaker 3: Having said that they just won in New York over

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the third best team in the Eastern Conference. I guess

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the Knicks now they had Max Christie that game, who

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was actually really good and it has been good, like

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his point of attack, defense has been good and he

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was great out of Jalen Bunson. That's not nothing. Losing

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him either, considering he's just twenty one and he looks

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he looks like he can be a starting level type

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of really effective role player. But still you gotta get

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another first at least. But yeah, the Clippers, given what

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they did doing last time with Ad, you would think

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this is a mismatch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all the last and it wasn't

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just Zoo last time. Right, we almost had the four

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to twenty club meet. If Kawhi scores one more point,

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we got four guys on twenty with at least twenty points,

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So like everyone was kind of getting what they did

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against the Lakers last time. What do we think the

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defense looks like? Again? Are we just packing this paint? Oh?

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Speaker 3: The Clippers? Yeah, yeah, I'm hoping Chris Dunna is back.

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Speaker 1: What's your level, Chris? You were a and a half.

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Speaker 3: I mean I'll go I'll go three. He's missed how

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many games.

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Speaker 1: Now, whole road trip? Yeah, he missed at least five four?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair five games. Yeah, I might go up

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to four if he doesn't play against the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on. My concern level is as many

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games as he's missed That's what my concerned level was,

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h Well, what do you see happening on on Tuesday?

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Because Clippers Lakers is always weird? Yeah yeah, Davis used

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to be almost added that lore with that one that

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rimmed out, what do you think is going down on Tuesday?

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I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that we've kind of shaken off this road trip,

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which I feel like wasn't completely inspiring. I know we

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talked about at the at the top.

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Speaker 1: A little bit, but we'll get into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I so. I hope we see something

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a little bit more locked in, which I don't doubt.

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These games are always more amped up. But it is

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gonna be It is gonna be just another weird one.

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Like what I mean, is this a throwaway game if

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you're the Lakers. No, because it's a it's a conference game,

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it's a division game. It matters in the standings. But

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you're kind of working with a skeleton crew with Lucas

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still out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Clippers need to hit first hit hard, no mercy,

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strike first strike hard, no mercy. What's cover christ motto?

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Do not let him think it's going to be some

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magical night, right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and we kind of that's kind of where

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we saw the worst part of the Clippers on this

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road trip, right was starting the game not strong, be

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it against a Phoenix team that's just losing its mind

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from three or something crazy. Today, the defense just wasn't

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really there, you know, like like you said, don't don't

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want to believe in the magic or whatever, like we can't.

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We don't want to give them any more momentum when

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they get Luca.

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Speaker 2: Back well, and we need to like assert that defensive identity,

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which I feel like was the issue today and what

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we've seen. I mean, obviously there's nothing you can do

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when teams are just shooting the lights out, but you

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do allow them to get into a rhythm when you start,

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when you start soft them in defensive end, and do

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feel like that's been an issue.

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Speaker 3: I would love it if Kawhi got to thirty minutes

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against the Lakers Tuesday night. That'd be sweet.

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Speaker 1: We will probably need him for thirty And yeah.

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Speaker 3: How about feeding Ofviatza Zubats after what happened today, By

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the way, since there's this glaring guy missing on the

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Lakers that typically is matched up against the Vitza Zubas

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and he's not there. Maybe maybe you give Zubats more

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than eleven shots in a game where we played forty

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minutes today.

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Speaker 1: That was crazy before we get into the bad parts

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and some of the good parts of the road trip.

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Who are we picking for our player of the game

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picks for Tuesday Night? I also think I want to

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give kpj a shout out. He has a chance to

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build on the momentum he had today offensively, Will who

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is your player of the game? You're James Harden, Kawhi,

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Leonard at Vitza, Zubats, Norman Powell honorary player of the game.

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Speaker 2: I'll go d J jay Uh. He had some he's

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had some highlights. He's he's been it seems like he's

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rounding into form, and I think that we'll need him

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against this Lakers team.

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Speaker 1: I need that athleticism. Adam. Who is your pick?

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Speaker 3: I'll go Mere Coffee. What if Norman isn't back for

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this game, then he's starting again? Yeah, and Mirror has

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been good overall this season. He missed some three pointers

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in that third quarter when Clippers were just hunting for him,

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as he might today, But yeah, I'll go Mire.

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Speaker 1: Here's a good pick. Okay, I don't. We don't know

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if Chris Dunn's going to play, because I was gonna

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choose him. Do it, defenses, dude, do it. What's caught on.

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There's not a lot of other people on the list. Chris.

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I'm not ready. I'm not ready to put that much

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faith into KPJ yet. I don't think I'm going Terrence.

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I think he's done it before. He's done it before.

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He he had some good hustle today, especially on the boards. Offensively,

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We're gonna need him to do the little stuff we're

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gonna need him to do. We we've kind of alluded

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to his maybe ceiling before is like Pat Bev stuff.

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Do the Pat Bev stuff, have a chunky stat line,

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hit one of your two threes, you know what I mean,

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or one of the three threes you take, like grab

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some key offensive boards. I'm going Terrence, Man, he's gonna

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ruin their night. Anything else you want to say about

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this trade in this game before we do a very

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quick audio.

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Speaker 3: Break, I hate it. Not the game, the trade. Let's

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make Let's make them forget about the trade for a second.

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Let's have the Clippers thoroughly dominate the Lakers.

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Speaker 4: On Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: That would be great to see because there's something else

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going on right now and it involves that head to

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head tiebreaker. The Clippers need to win the season series

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against the Lakers starting too, and oh would go a

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long way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, god, all right, will any of the last notes

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other than I hate it?

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Speaker 2: Well, we still have to see it on the court.

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Speaker 1: You know, sure, yeah, we can figure it out.

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Speaker 2: It is players even like it is, you know, it

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is a huge step back defensively.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I am.

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Speaker 3: When they get Miles Turner this week, like they're not

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they're not done. They kept the first round pick their

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Giga big Well, do you hate it now?

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Speaker 1: We always hate it always levels Coming up, we're gonna

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be talking the Clippers road trip that was a bit

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up and down, and then we're gonna also talk the

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other bombshell tray that happened this week. If you're listening

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to us on audio, was gonna be some tasteful advertisements,

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and if you're watching us on YouTube you get to

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see us just pause very briefly, suspended in silence for

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a brief second ads and then road trip top coming

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up in three two one.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, into clips and dip. We did

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things a little.

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Speaker 1: Out of order, but we got to get into this

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road trip.

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Speaker 2: The Clippers just dropped one to the Raptors in what

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was a bit of a bummer. But there were some

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bright spots, there were some low points. Charles, do we

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want to start with what's positive or negative?

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's go. I don't know. Adam's face is

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telling me we should maybe start with what was negative,

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So we're gonna go. If you want to see what

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Adam's face looked like, find us on YouTube. Let's go negative,

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and do we kind of want to talk to Chris

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don't think like not playing the whole road trip, it

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was evident how the Clippers missed his defense, especially against Phoenix.

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You just need another guy who's gonna kind of make

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things more difficult for teams that are shooting jump shots

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like that was he was missed. And then obviously Norm

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Powell was incredibly missed against this Raptors team who had

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been playing pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they obviously had enough. All they needed

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was if James Harden or Kawhi has a good game,

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they probably win. Just one of those two. They both

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I think they combined to go like thirteen to thirty

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eight or something like that from the field, and it

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was really Kawhi's first bad game of the alumn that

475
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,119
he's played so far. Yeah, you know, limited minutes, but

476
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,480
it was still obviously his first really bad game where

477
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,880
he just didn't have it shooting wise, and was frustrated

478
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,720
with the officials and the lack of calls out there. Yeah,

479
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,240
so there are a lot of negatives. There's also some

480
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,559
real easy solutions for what happened today is Kawhi plays better,

481
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,039
James Harden plays better, and they're likely coming back with

482
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:54,519
the W.

483
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,079
Speaker 1: And Norm plays right because he looked phenomenal against the

484
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,880
Spurs and the Hornets games where we really needed that punch.

485
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,119
So they don't seem too concerned about the Norm injury,

486
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,200
which is good.

487
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,279
Speaker 3: I think it happened in a game against Charlotte.

488
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: And he played after it seemed like the incident happened

489
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,200
because he obviously, if you've been watching the Clippers, Norm

490
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,440
Powell is a very tough basketball player. So yeah, he

491
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,000
was able to come back, but we just hope he's

492
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,519
there on Tuesday. Yeah, well we're talking Norm Powell hopefully

493
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,359
being there on Tuesday and that being one of the

494
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:28,920
bad things.

495
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, and no done, No norm that's it's

496
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,160
a bummer. And then I'm working on a roast back

497
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,799
here for a second.

498
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem. And then there was the theme of

499
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:44,880
the day a little bit on some of these games

500
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,359
was the unseeriousness of the Clippers defense at some points

501
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,319
over this road trip. Is that just a fatigue thing? Today?

502
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,039
It seemed to me you could chock it up a

503
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,400
little bit to fatigue. It's the last of a road trip.

504
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,359
It's there, you know, on some and you know, they

505
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,319
played every other day until I think like the twelfth

506
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,119
or thirteenth that they have a back to back, Like,

507
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,799
is it just a fatigue thing? But it started out

508
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,160
kind of tough too against the Spurs.

509
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: Excuse me, it's just a bummer because of the way

510
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,839
that they have set the tone and I think the

511
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,880
Raptors one and sort of how close things got in Charlotte,

512
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,400
where like those to me were a little bit troubling,

513
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,960
just because we've seen this team do a really good

514
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,160
job of not like playing the team's record, I think

515
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,400
on the road against sub five hundred teams. Going into

516
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,440
this Raptors game, they were like six and one. So

517
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,640
dropping one like it, you know, it's not it's not nothing.

518
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,279
And these are games, you know, especially we're talking about

519
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,160
the importance of the Lakers matchup. We're talking about, you know,

520
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,599
a Western Conference landscape that could be changing in terms

521
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,279
of what the stands are. We got a cat on camp,

522
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,480
we got at on cam, but like.

523
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: It just makes it all the more important.

524
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,519
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know, this one was just a

525
00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:58,839
bummer to see, like when when they did not have

526
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,119
their like when they not have it together on that

527
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,440
end of the ball. At the start of this game,

528
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,119
I was like, this is going to be a weird one,

529
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,839
and it's you know, it could be one that we dropped.

530
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: It was way too close for what it should have been.

531
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,839
And it was you know, any team, no team is

532
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,359
a slouch.

533
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,759
Speaker 2: Any team can can be great on any given night,

534
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:16,799
Like these are the you know, the four hundred and

535
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,079
fifty best at.

536
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: This sport in the world.

537
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: But you're not doing yourself any favors by like sort

538
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,720
of letting them walk like walk into stuff. And I

539
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:26,559
just didn't feel like there was the intensity on that

540
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,119
on that end of the floor today.

541
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think point of attack defense just has not

542
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:34,720
been as good on this road trip. They're missing Chris Donn,

543
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,440
but I feel like James Harden's defense has been worse

544
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,960
than it usually is as of late turnovers.

545
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,759
Speaker 1: Ye too, Yeah, like he looks a little sleepy.

546
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:51,799
Speaker 3: Well. The game against was San Antonio and Charlotte. I

547
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,480
think he combined for twelve turnovers in those two games,

548
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,359
and the Spurs game was he had six in the

549
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,200
first half, apologize to the team at the half, and

550
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,119
then didn't have any more. But then the next game

551
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,079
he had six against Charlotte. I gotta say Charlotte played

552
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:10,079
pretty damn well in that game because I think, wow, yeah,

553
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,640
telling people out and they're bad anyways, And they almost

554
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,880
be Denver though last night and helped out the Clippers,

555
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,160
but they didn't turn the basketball over. And a big

556
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,400
part of the Clippers' identity is points off of turnovers.

557
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,039
They are second in the NBA basically like twenty percent

558
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,720
of their points per game come off of turnovers. And

559
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:31,680
Charlotte was not giving them the basketball. So was that

560
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,400
more about the Clippers not having that intensity? Was it

561
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,319
Charlotte having a good game. LaMelo wasn't playing and they

562
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,240
didn't turn the basketball over. I don't know, there are

563
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,400
some warning signs out there, I think defensively as of

564
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,119
late for them. And then I didn't like the third

565
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,720
quarter against the Raptors where they took ten threes and

566
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,359
hit two of them. Both were made by Niko Batoum,

567
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,559
and it just seemed like they were settling, like we're tired,

568
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,440
We're not going to do the hard stuff and get

569
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,039
into the paint.

570
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ball movement. As the trip went on, the

571
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,119
ball movement got worse for the Clippers, even in the

572
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960
games that you know, like obviously against the Spurs it

573
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,039
was good and stuff like that, but this you mentioned

574
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,640
the Zubats thing. The man should have gotten more touches,

575
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:14,039
especially if the shots aren't falling, if we're tired, right, yeah, yeah.

576
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,599
Speaker 2: Especially if you're struggling to get an easy shot. Like

577
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:18,400
how many times have we talked about like that is,

578
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,519
like that's your release valve, Like when for easy buckets

579
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,839
to like make things easier on those other guys on

580
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,319
the offensive end, like a little bit more.

581
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,559
Speaker 1: Oh no, out of just got a claw.

582
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: And there's a three team trade that just went down.

583
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,599
Speaker 1: Wait what to the Spurs?

584
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: Zach Levine to the Kings, who they've been had interest

585
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,279
in for a long time in a multi team trade

586
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,640
that is, I don't know about this one chief from

587
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,799
the King's perspective, like if they're not getting multiple first

588
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,680
out of this as well, I don't know. Do you

589
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,599
guys have details? I just saw pop up on the

590
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,559
TV screen dumb that down to the players without any

591
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:00,000
of the detail.

592
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just any of the details yet.

593
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: And the cat hit me hard.

594
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,039
Speaker 1: They got zach Lavine.

595
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: Kings fans are gonna be irate.

596
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: I feel for a man that sucks.

597
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,319
Speaker 3: The dirty little secret about the Kings is the reason

598
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,839
their ceiling is capped is because of Demanta Savonis. He's

599
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,440
not a good rent protector. You can't have him as

600
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,920
you're five, like unless you have a stretch four who

601
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,960
also is a good rent protector. And those guys are

602
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:34,720
really hard to find, like we talked about all the

603
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,039
time when people just get a power forward. Well, he

604
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,880
has to do these things to play next movie's Zubats.

605
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,279
That's not easy. So there are any details that looks

606
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,960
like out yet, But those are the three main guys

607
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,039
man the trade.

608
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: What is going on with these teams? Can the Clippers

609
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,799
get a deal done with one of these teams that

610
00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:58,880
seem to be taking.

611
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's.

612
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,519
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. We don't know the price that

613
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,599
was paid here. I don't Sacramento definitely was paying a

614
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,200
price right now, and they better get at least two

615
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,359
first round picks. Like if they get two first round

616
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,440
picks for Daron Fox and the Lakers didn't have to

617
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,920
give up two for Luca, Kings.

618
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,799
Speaker 1: Are trading Daron Fox with the Spurs and a three

619
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,839
team taine that land Zach Lavine and Sacramento along with

620
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,519
three first round picks. That was the Haydens tweet.

621
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:33,119
Speaker 3: They got three? They did alright? Then is one of

622
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:34,400
them coming from Chicago? Then?

623
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:35,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

624
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,319
Speaker 3: I mean, san Antonio has so many they can afford

625
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:41,240
to give them away. San Antonio can still go out

626
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,799
there and make another big move. They can.

627
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: Jesus, do we count this as a bad part of

628
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,720
the road trip or a good part of the road

629
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,079
trip because we have a pain to the ass play

630
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,880
of the Spurs and it's not like the Kings got better,

631
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,799
So this might be on the bad part of the

632
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,400
road trip.

633
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: I mean, they're lucky to get that game with the Spurs.

634
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,160
They still have one more against him. They play them

635
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,000
four times this year, I think, so they will see

636
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:13,480
dearon Fox does have. Interestingly enough, I've been listening to

637
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,359
a lot of stuff up in Sacramento just because this news.

638
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:18,440
You know, I'm from there and I have some interest

639
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,599
in the NBA in general. But he has like some

640
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,559
broken fingers or like spingers he needs surgery on that

641
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:29,440
he's been playing through. So it's not all gravy right

642
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,359
now for san Antonio. But yeah, that's a great dandem

643
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,759
with him and Lemby. The West got better.

644
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,559
Speaker 1: The West got better. We're gonna talk about trades in

645
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:42,240
the next segment because now the other thing that this

646
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,759
that these two trades do is make people now lose

647
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:50,400
their minds for big swing ideas.

648
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're not getting better, getting worse, and they're

649
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,759
seeing all the other teams and pro half.

650
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: The other teams involved with these trades get better, the other.

651
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: Well, we ain't got to worry though about Chicago. I mean, yeah,

652
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,319
I guess the Kings got worse at the moment, but

653
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,400
I don't know how it might not be that significantly

654
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,640
worse considering where they are currently in the standings. Oh,

655
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,880
like zach Lavine is having a good year.

656
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I mean, you've heard us talk about

657
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,640
why we don't want zach Lavine on our team. If

658
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,079
I were a King's fan, I'd feel the exact same way.

659
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,319
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, if if he had a one

660
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,240
year contractor or a two year deal and it wasn't

661
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,799
bleeding into summer of twenty twenty seven, I might feel

662
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:37,200
differently about zach Lavine.

663
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,599
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but sure, yeah, if he made a dollar

664
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,440
a year, I'd be like, let's have him all the team.

665
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: Uh. But I'm just saying, like all the court product wise,

666
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:49,319
I don't know if Sacramento is like significantly significantly worse.

667
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: They're sending Kevin Herder to Chicago.

668
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,839
Speaker 3: That doesn't he's been playing terribly.

669
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: So the Spurs are sending Trey Jones and Zach Collins

670
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,759
to Chicago. Bulls also get and heard her Jordan mcgloughlin

671
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:03,839
is going to San Antonio with Fox.

672
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,039
Speaker 3: See. But the Kings did not. So they didn't get Castle,

673
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,239
they didn't get the cell. Those guys didn't get moved.

674
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: That's I just read. I just read to you the

675
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,320
information I.

676
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Have the Spurs. I mean, that's that's pretty impressive. The

677
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,599
Spurs are gonna be really damn good, and I think

678
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,719
they that's the move they should make, Like why why

679
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,559
wait around for Wenby to be twenty five or twenty eight?

680
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:34,840
Who cares that he's only twenty one. Oh, we're gonna

681
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,119
wait for his prime to go out?

682
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, just fucking go for you never know how.

683
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: Long a guy can stay healthy. Do it now?

684
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,679
Speaker 1: Maybe in seven years they'll trade him for a first

685
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,519
round pick and a guy six years older than he is.

686
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: So they're probably gonna make another move with their young

687
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,840
guys like the cell and Castle, and they have another

688
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,119
three or four first round paid, like they're gonna get

689
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,760
somebody else. Teams getting better?

690
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: Are the Clippers getting word? So what you're saying is

691
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,880
it's our year? Oh? Yeah, Will had a theory. Actually

692
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,440
maybe maybe the last one.

693
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:06,639
Speaker 3: Will.

694
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people. I think a lot

695
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,920
of people got scared when Kawhi came back. They thought

696
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,199
they could smell that it was our year. They could

697
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,320
they could tell that it was going to happen. And they,

698
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,440
you know, the Clippers, they were too good. They started

699
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,760
this arms race. What do you gonna do? Can't over

700
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,599
exceed expectations like that? And then bring Kawhi back looking

701
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,480
like he does and expect people not to notice. We

702
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,360
should have flown under the radar a little more.

703
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,039
Speaker 1: Man. Shouldn't have traded PJ. Tucker. That's what set this

704
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:34,960
whole damn thing up.

705
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: Shouldn't have beaten the Spurs like that recently.

706
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so let let's talk a little bit, because there

707
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,400
was some good in the recap. Kawhi, other than today's

708
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,320
game looked great for the most part. He shut down

709
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,559
the Spurs late with Norm which was fun. The passing

710
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:54,880
looked really good and not He's seen it. You know,

711
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,039
we've seen him have good, you know, passing games before.

712
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:58,800
But he was getting the guys involved really well.

713
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,599
Speaker 3: Oh shit, the King's got the twenty twenty five Charlotte

714
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:08,320
Hornets pick. Oh my god, wait a second. Okay, they

715
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,039
did well here, They're in the Cooper Flag sweepstakes.

716
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: That's insane.

717
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I take it all back. Twenty twenty five, Charlotte,

718
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:23,599
twenty twenty seven, San Antonio, twenty thirty one, Minnesota. All right,

719
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:28,400
they get the Cooper.

720
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: Charlotte has one. Yeah, Charlotte has the second worst record

721
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,320
of the league, the third worst record. They're tied for

722
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,000
the third worst.

723
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:40,199
Speaker 3: I mean, that completely changes my perception of this trade.

724
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,119
Speaker 1: Damn they got three second round picks too. Holy shit,

725
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,239
they could get Luke Canard.

726
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: Hey, Lucas McCook it lately. When Jo's been out on

727
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,559
the Spurs, You're telling me Luke Canard on the Spurs

728
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:10,280
when this is wild? This is yeah, real time reaction.

729
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,519
Speaker 1: All right, who cares about the road trip talk? Let's

730
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,280
talk about if the Clippers are going to make another

731
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,480
move now, because is there Uh, We're gonna do a

732
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:21,880
quick advrec real quick. Is there pressure on the Clippers

733
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,159
to make another move coming up in three two?

734
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: What welcome back in it's cliffs and dip. But I'm awesome.

735
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,280
We've got Jeff Mockler, will Updyke in breaking news. We

736
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,599
are reacting to currently and just workshopping segments here because

737
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,480
this Clippers team looks like it's falling further behind the

738
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,400
pack as the Sacamar Kings I don't believe got significantly

739
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,840
worse this season and San Antonio got significantly better. They're

740
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,000
currently out of the plan. But the Western Conference just

741
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,920
got another team that will be fighting to get in it.

742
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,320
Uh and look they go on a winning streak because

743
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,000
they didn't give up the selling castle. I don't know

744
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,880
they might make another move here. This is getting interesting.

745
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:10,400
Are the Clippers standing? Pat did all of this basically

746
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,800
put more pressure on the Clippers to make a move.

747
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: Will I still don't think the Clippers are gonna be

748
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:25,280
loading up like these moves. I still think you look

749
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,679
at what they did to get I think they have

750
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480
their eye on some buy out, some buy out candidate

751
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,960
like candidates. I don't think that they're gonna make a

752
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,679
home run move.

753
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: Wait a second, Lily Batoom just did the emojiis thing

754
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,119
above the semp Sharani tweet of Sacramento finalizing the deal

755
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,800
with San Antonio? Do we think any do we read

756
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,199
into that?

757
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,519
Speaker 1: No? Well, I wouldn't look at you. I think it's

758
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,480
just either in terms of things to read into.

759
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: But I'm guessing it's the French connection.

760
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,159
Speaker 1: I think it's a French connection. Yeah.

761
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:03,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know Wemby's getting his his counterpart.

762
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,119
Speaker 2: Does this change your outlook at him? I like, because

763
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:10,920
I still think I just don't think that they Yeah.

764
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,639
Speaker 1: I really don't think that they make a big swing.

765
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,679
Speaker 3: I what is okay?

766
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: What?

767
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? They have a first apparently a first round pick

768
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,000
just one goes a long way in today's NBA landscape,

769
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,199
based of all what we just saw, the Lakers and

770
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,159
Dallas Mavericks, the Clippers have one. Who would you go

771
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,400
out there and get like it does feel like nobody

772
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:36,199
is safe all of a sudden. If Joannis got traded,

773
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,119
I'd be like, well, I don't know, Luca just got

774
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,320
traded too, Like who knows. Sometimes there are no you know,

775
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,400
precursors to these things. They just happened once in a while.

776
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:47,800
I'm not saying the Clippers will be able to get

777
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,599
here because basically, do they have enough to make a

778
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,360
big swing? Zach is out of the picture? Would they

779
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,079
would they dare to go after Jimmy Butler? Would they

780
00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:59,199
dare to go after brandon Ingram? Those are like the

781
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,199
two big guys left that had been.

782
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: Talked about turned out.

783
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 3: I mean, they're gonna get Steph because you're just ready

784
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,119
to get out of Golden State and we got the

785
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,719
popcorn for him already.

786
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: Don't dude, don't even don't bring the popcorn out.

787
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: Brouh Harden and staff, we get even older.

788
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:23,199
Speaker 1: The dumb It's like, well, and I mean I agree,

789
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,039
like they're not going to trade for Jimmy. I don't

790
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:27,679
even think what we don't have it. We don't. The

791
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,679
coffers aren't full. We're not working close to a full

792
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,599
arsenal of of movable contracts and like.

793
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: You need your coffee and a first is too much

794
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,800
for Jimmy Butler.

795
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need about forty seven more million dollars.

796
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,079
Speaker 3: I think, well, and then you look at players they

797
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,679
have to trade, right, and it's like Norm is making

798
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:58,039
nineteen million, Terrence Man is making eleven million. The extension

799
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,840
kicks in next year, how would they make anything work

800
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,079
considering they already got rid of PG ticker.

801
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:05,559
Speaker 1: Right?

802
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,559
Speaker 2: That was That's why I think they're iying by That's

803
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,159
why I think they're eying buyout candidates. And I'll let

804
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,280
y'all finish, but I've got a wild one. I want

805
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,519
to toss your way.

806
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: We think the buyout could be robust.

807
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: People criticize a little bit of including PJ in that

808
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,760
last trade for Drew Eubanks because it might hurt flexibility

809
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,599
for other big trades.

810
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: Later.

811
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,599
Speaker 1: Everything that Lawrence Frank told us was they're not they.

812
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,199
Speaker 2: It's just not on their radar.

813
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: They can't do it. There's no like there's you know, oh,

814
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:40,119
the Colin Section trade idea, it's just that doable. We

815
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,639
don't have the draft capital to do any of these.

816
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:45,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

817
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: I just think that you need to see one healthy

818
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,360
Kawhi postseason before you're willing to involve the first or

819
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,880
or do anything crazy. And I know that this is

820
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,599
our year, but it's our year. If Kawhi can play

821
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,480
one healthy postseason, that's the championship where you see that.

822
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:02,199
Speaker 1: I don't.

823
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like, how could

824
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,960
how could you as a franchise, How could you as

825
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,039
a franchise tie in any more draft equity? How could

826
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,239
you send you know, valuable players out the door, especially

827
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,119
like how the team has overperformed bus Bar until you see.

828
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 3: The only thing I would say is, first of all,

829
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:25,559
I agree, I agree. I don't think they should go

830
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,000
all in either. We've been saying the entire time they

831
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,360
shouldn't be doing that. It's too risky because you don't

832
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400
know about Kawa's health. Well, what suck, But it's just

833
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,039
something you'd have to deal with is he finally is

834
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,960
healthy in a post season and you are a piece away. Yeah,

835
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:48,480
that's what would sucks that's the risk. I depends like

836
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:51,519
who is that guy? Who is that guy that's gettable?

837
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,039
I don't know. Is Jimmy Butler put them over the top.

838
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: I think he also, I think he. I think he's

839
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,639
in the locker room too, And I don't think like

840
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,920
he would like it would just mess things up, the

841
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,880
seismic ness of how much you'd have to send out

842
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,159
for Jimmy Butler. Even if he came in and things

843
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:10,079
were still good, You're still messing up the chemistry.

844
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,639
Speaker 2: And this, like the space, like operating in the space

845
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:17,079
with like him and I don't know, man, Yeah.

846
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:19,119
Speaker 1: I agree, I'm just not I'm not. I'm not a fan.

847
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: I didn't like De Rosenan because of that type of

848
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,960
issue with the spacing, Like and you'd have to give

849
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,360
up Norm Powell if we're talking about Jimmy, if we're

850
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,000
talking about brandon Ingram Norman Palace, gone right, I think

851
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,239
I'd rather have Norm pal than Jimmy Butler at this point.

852
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot less comes along with it too,

853
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,800
Just not to be the guy who's only concerned about

854
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,800
off the court stuff, but like that's important for achievement's overachieving.

855
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:47,159
Speaker 3: He's a forty four shooter. Now the second year he's.

856
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,079
Speaker 2: Doing, he's a way better three point shooter, and his

857
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,679
contract is like half the amount.

858
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: Look like I would have been for.

859
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,199
Speaker 2: What the Clippers need. He makes a lot of sense,

860
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,119
Like makes the most sense.

861
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,679
Speaker 3: Are we looking at at some unknown front court guy

862
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:06,280
that maybe is available that we haven't thought about and

863
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,159
that's the missing piece for the Clippers? Is so many

864
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:10,480
people love to say.

865
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Will has a take because there are some buyout candidates,

866
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,760
and I have heard this take from some other people,

867
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,400
and now I've been talking.

868
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: I've just been talking myself into this. Ben Simmons at

869
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,280
backup Center. Ben Simmons at backup Center. If the Nets

870
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,880
buying the Clippers, the Clippers in getting under the first

871
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,119
apron are now eligible to get buyout candidates, I think

872
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,480
that Ben Simmons as the as the backup center is.

873
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:39,960
I love the move.

874
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,559
Speaker 1: I love the move.

875
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:44,639
Speaker 2: I think that he got a super raw deal in

876
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,920
that Doc was the worst possible coach for him, especially

877
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,880
for a young struggling player. He got thrown under the

878
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,159
bus after the after Philly lost that series, he was

879
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,239
never the same again. He's not a max player. He's

880
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,320
not maybe even a starter in this league, but as

881
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:06,920
as a backup five or in some small ball lineups,

882
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,639
you know, like with with the starters. I think he

883
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,039
gives some versatility. That's a that's interesting, and we don't

884
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,519
need him to do the stuff that he cannot do already.

885
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:17,599
Like it's it's fine, it's simpatico.

886
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 3: I did bring him up at the end of Clippers

887
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,480
top today, like I then Simmons on the buyout you do.

888
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:25,960
I didn't bring up the point of him as the

889
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,679
backup center. I think it's interesting. He's been playing well

890
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,559
as of late. Yeah, I think him with small ball

891
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:34,519
would be very interesting.

892
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: Great, I mean like great passer, I can't play with

893
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,320
you can't play on the can't be on the floor

894
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,320
the same time as Zoo because then we have two

895
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,360
O of course not Yeah, so it is a firm.

896
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,400
But then the rotation, now we have another guy who's

897
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,199
out of the rotation.

898
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 3: Then the Clippers do have. The one advantage they do

899
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,519
have is in the buyout market, because any team over

900
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,199
the first apron cannot pick up a guy like Ben Simmons,

901
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,599
anybody who makes more in the mid level exception, and

902
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,800
they still have three million dollars left from their mid

903
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,119
level exception they didn't use on DJ where they could

904
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,440
offer more than just the veteran's minimum.

905
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,079
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm at on the Ben Simmons thing.

906
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,400
I don't because if they don't make the Robert are

907
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,400
trained for Robert Williams, which I have no idea what

908
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,239
that looks like, totally I would be Ben Simmons just

909
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,760
because of well, yeah, I don't know. It's kind of tough.

910
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:28,320
It's tough, yeah, tough. Yeah.

911
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: I like the ceiling for Ben Ben Simmons backup center

912
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,719
thing a little bit more.

913
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: But does it helps? This helps save Nico's legs, right,

914
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,719
because you can play Ben at the five, and Nico

915
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,760
can not have to be as you know, depending on

916
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,679
what he's going to be out there with, like it's

917
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,119
not I mean, for what is available, the fit does

918
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:53,079
make sense. If you have a lineup of James Harden,

919
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,239
Norm Powell, Kawhi, Leonard uh Nico Batum and Ben Simmons,

920
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,039
everyone is a pretty damn good play connector who isn't

921
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:07,800
James Harden there with passing the ball, there's things to

922
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,760
be had and the defense is obviously pretty solid. Three

923
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,079
four five, right, there.

924
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,119
Speaker 3: Is a player like that, who's so limited with who

925
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:20,760
he can play next to. He can't play next to

926
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,519
him eats bots. Is that the best guy to go

927
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:26,679
after the buyout is the question?

928
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,679
Speaker 1: But also any other center he gets not going to

929
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,760
play next to him eats zoo Bots. And like the

930
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,400
guy we're talking about here isn't going to be getting like,

931
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,440
you know, tearing off the pants to come on in

932
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,039
the playoff game like you. I mean, like, I don't know,

933
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:43,880
I don't think, Like what do you think, Adam? What?

934
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: What are you are you eyeing someone in the Like?

935
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,360
Who are you eyeing in front court?

936
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:52,119
Speaker 3: Is a bio candidate in the front court? I don't know?

937
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: They got what you got?

938
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,159
Speaker 3: Drew you Banks. I was thinking about if Lonzo gets

939
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:01,440
bought out that somebody I've been thinking about because there's

940
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:05,360
just more options with him playing next to a lot

941
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:12,199
of different guys. Well, I'm hoping it eliminates certain guards

942
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,599
from playing as much. But yeah, that may be a

943
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lost cause that shit may have sailed.

944
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Speaker 1: What about.

945
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think either of those guys, you know,

946
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,559
it depends on if they got traded and then somebody

947
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:32,280
just ended up buying them out in like a three

948
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Way trade or something like that, because otherwise they should

949
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,960
be able to get something for Lonzo, they should be

950
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,960
able to get something from Malcolm Brogden. But it totally

951
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,519
could happen where some of these good guys do get

952
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,960
bought out. I mean, I like Brogden too. Who can

953
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,519
be healthier between the two? I think has Lonzo played

954
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:50,039
more games than Brogden this year?

955
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about some very like yeah, let me

956
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,719
check maybe this year.

957
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: Don't look at the last three.

958
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,039
Speaker 3: We did do an extensive podcast once when the Clippers

959
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:06,800
had brought in for a hot minute.

960
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: Like, all right, so Lonzo's at twenty eight, he's got

961
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,960
Roden beat Brodding's at nineteen. He's gotta beat kind of soundly,

962
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,039
like by not an insignificant Martin.

963
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:24,519
Speaker 3: I think with Lonzo it's been more about they've just

964
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:28,639
brought him along intentionally, very slowly. Not he's been re

965
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,559
injured this season. They just have done a slow ramp up,

966
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,079
so it might be more interested in Lonzo.

967
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: I don to slow ramp up. Then we get into

968
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,320
more like rotation confusion because then we're like working Lonzo

969
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,400
in with KPJ and Terrence Mann and Chris Dunn who's

970
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,719
gonna be coming back? Like then we're getting the Olive

971
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,000
Garden again. Right then, we're just do you need KPJ?

972
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,159
If you have Lonzo, it's not a question of need

973
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,400
KPJ's playing. We're not like it's he's a tie guy.

974
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,800
It's not we saw him be good today on offense needed,

975
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,519
but like he's a tie guy.

976
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: I was like, where's KPJ. By the third quarter? I

977
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,280
was like, why are they're putting KPJ back in? Like

978
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,360
their offense they got nothing, they're just shooting a bunch

979
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of three.

980
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,199
Speaker 1: Well, like you know, it's February second, he's still our

981
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:19,960
backup point.

982
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

983
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,199
Speaker 1: Which makes sense for the construction right now.

984
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: I just like, if you have another guy who what

985
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,360
he does is like he's he's like a connector.

986
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. So back to front court, who could

987
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:37,719
we get?

988
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:40,159
Speaker 1: You guys love guards? You want more guards.

989
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't understand it, but well so

990
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,280
that's the thing.

991
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: I want replacement guards because then we get changing up

992
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,320
the guards.

993
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm just starting to get there's a roster crunch.

994
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,280
If we get another guard, especially there's a roster crunch

995
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,119
with not that much time left before the playoffs to

996
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:02,119
really get it, Nail Dad, I have faith entirely to

997
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,199
be able to do that, But you'd like a longer

998
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,000
runway with a set actual playoff rotation.

999
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, would you give up Terrence

1000
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:11,719
Man for Robert Williams?

1001
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: Oh Man, No, because I think they might value Terrence's

1002
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:24,239
playoff just floor raising abilities over what Robert Williams would

1003
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,159
do in the playoffs. But that might be the games.

1004
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:29,800
As Robert Williams played this season.

1005
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:42,039
Speaker 3: I think at least twenty, there's real concerns, But I

1006
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,800
think he's much more of a need than what Terrence brings.

1007
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:47,079
High level.

1008
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're not wrong.

1009
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:55,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert Williams went available is a starting level center.

1010
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:59,960
I think Robert Willims is a starting level center healthy.

1011
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,679
Speaker 1: Right, But I mean when will that happen? What's his

1012
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,719
latest thing? Has he been playing?

1013
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 3: He's he's been in and out and out. I think

1014
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,760
it's been the knee, but I'm not prop you know

1015
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:13,159
the same.

1016
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:19,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he had the like full robot leg.

1017
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,199
Speaker 3: Back in with the Celtics, but like, how much is

1018
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,519
Terrris going to be playing?

1019
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: No?

1020
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: I mean I feel I still feel like you're selling

1021
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:30,679
a little low though.

1022
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,079
Speaker 3: It sounds like they might want to first for Williams.

1023
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: That's insane, that's crazy. I don't But you're right because

1024
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,800
like that, you are right. If KPJ is taking the

1025
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,159
old Terrence role and we need a backup center and

1026
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,760
Terrence isn't going to play like it or not the

1027
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,000
whole KPJ minutes, it's like that.

1028
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: No, I think that absolutely makes sense. I still think

1029
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,239
you're selling a little low.

1030
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: But he's not playing much and they don't have done

1031
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,280
right now, how is he playing if they're healthy? Yeah,

1032
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,079
I just and then if he's not playing, like his

1033
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:15,199
value will take further right for this summer and beyond.

1034
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, where Robert Williams, it could even be about he

1035
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,199
has a.

1036
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: Year after this. I believe Robert Williams good. So it's

1037
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:28,880
not an expirer any games.

1038
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:32,159
Speaker 2: How many games has he played in his career? Two hundred?

1039
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,960
Maybe he's been in the league one six years?

1040
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: Are you counting? Are you counting? Get ready games? Stay

1041
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:40,760
ready games?

1042
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,639
Speaker 3: But he's so good and so needed, but he's available.

1043
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: He's played two hundred and thirty two games in six seasons.

1044
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,639
He has played seventeen times this season.

1045
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,119
Speaker 3: How much is how much of that could be.

1046
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:04,079
Speaker 1: You know, yeah Adams, like I'm ordering the jersey, dude.

1047
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 3: Some of this could be Portland stashing him to Portrade.

1048
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:14,840
I don't know, stashing him guyash, easy guy to stash

1049
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,079
if you're hurt. Hey, if the Lakers get end up

1050
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:20,679
getting him and he's cooking.

1051
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: I do. I want to say that I hate that

1052
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,000
these are the trades that we're talking about after reacting

1053
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:33,760
to Luca to the Lakers and Fox just doesn't feel

1054
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,039
as marquee. Uh. But I guess that is because our

1055
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:39,079
team is pretty well construed.

1056
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean, like the create like the craziest one would

1057
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,360
be some sort of brain and Ingram move.

1058
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:47,159
Speaker 1: I think I think the craziest, Yeah, the craziest realistic

1059
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,000
one is Terrence Man for anybody.

1060
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:56,039
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, the craziest realistic one for a trade possibility, Yeah,

1061
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:58,119
for the Clippers because Terrence.

1062
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:01,119
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the like craziest it gets as

1063
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:02,039
training Terrence Man.

1064
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: And if you're trading Terrence, you're getting something like they're

1065
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,559
getting something interesting. Yeah, but somebody that makes eleven million

1066
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:13,400
at least?

1067
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:18,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, who makes eleven million? Who's the center man.

1068
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,039
Speaker 3: I think Robert Williams.

1069
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the guy. I think, literally right, That's.

1070
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: Why I brought it up. I think their salaries match.

1071
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,000
They're close to.

1072
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: It would be a contracts. Yeah, what a weird. There's

1073
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,800
gonna be pressure on the Clippers to make a bigger movie.

1074
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,440
There's gonna be pressure on every team that's not in

1075
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,559
the play in to make a huge swing now from

1076
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:44,760
fans specifically in less.

1077
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: There's a chance though, that the Clippers just feel like

1078
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,880
we're good, we're stable when healthy.

1079
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,079
Speaker 1: They and.

1080
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: They might be feeling like they're overachieving right now. Yeah,

1081
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:59,440
and they're not going to risk any more of the

1082
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,199
future giving up any of it. They they may just

1083
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,320
be resigned to this is what we got. If we

1084
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,039
can get somebody good on the buyout, awesome, But or

1085
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:13,400
if somebody comes to us with a no brainer trade

1086
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,800
for Terrence Man, great, But outside of that, we're not

1087
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,440
taking any risks. Yeah, just for this year, for something

1088
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,039
for this year.

1089
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's gonna be boring up until February sixth

1090
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,320
for the Clippers probably.

1091
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: That's that's what I think. I don't know, I mean,

1092
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,159
that's obvious. That's the most likely outcome that we all

1093
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:42,400
thought that. Yeaheah, So I reject my original question. Does

1094
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,360
this put more pressure on the Clippers?

1095
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,199
Speaker 1: Well, it does from fans, but not from a realistic,

1096
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,760
not from the Clippers front office standpoint.

1097
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: Prepare for not a lot.

1098
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because everybody else have your go bag ready,

1099
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,960
but we're not, and we're not at ready. We're not

1100
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:13,159
in like evacuation. Yeah, I don't know.

1101
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: We're gonna get off this podcast.

1102
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,559
Speaker 1: And yeah, they're gonna trade Dorm and Kahi for somebody.

1103
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:24,920
All right, any that about wraps things up. We're gonna

1104
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,079
be doing a post game live after Clippers vers Lakers

1105
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,639
on Tuesday over at YouTube dot comupish at Clippers podcast,

1106
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:37,039
Come hang out. They're a fun time will This was

1107
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,079
a fun and weird episode because of the things that

1108
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:42,480
happened during it. Where could people tell their friends to

1109
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:45,440
listen to our older episodes where you know, it's pretty

1110
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,280
even keel, we talk movies, we talked dips, and where

1111
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,119
could they maybe review us if they wanted to do that.

1112
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to listen to old episodes of

1113
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,760
this show, old and new, make sure you're subscribed wherever

1114
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,039
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00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,639
on Apple Podcasts Spotify, Go ahead and leave a little

1116
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1117
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1118
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,360
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00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:12,400
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1120
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,679
It's at Clippers Podcasts. Yeah, please subscribe, sign up for notifications.

1121
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But however, you can sue the show.

1122
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Speaker 1: Hey, you know, we appreciate it. We absolutely do. Adam

1123
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:30,400
one positive thing to launch Clipper Nation into Lakers Week.

1124
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,079
Luca's Lakers is what I'm calling them now, just to

1125
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:40,039
infuriate everybody. Lukers, the Lukers, Oh god, that's it. You

1126
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:42,320
got it. You know.

1127
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,039
Speaker 3: The Lakers can get all the Luca Dochchs they want,

1128
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:48,440
The Spurs can get all the Deer and Foxes they want,

1129
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:51,320
the Case can get all the draft picks they want.

1130
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,800
It's still the Clippers here, baby.

1131
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:57,639
Speaker 1: Hey, there we go. What a way to start the week.

1132
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: A quick apology to Nate Jones tell us spill over

1133
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:03,800
hatred from the Lakers. Kidding, Utah, I'm sure he's a

1134
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,920
great guy.

1135
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: We hope everyone has a wonderful week. We will see

1136
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,239
you on Tuesday after the Clippers hopefully beat the Lukers.

1137
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,000
Uh yeah, and as always, let's go clips.