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Speaker 2: Hey Bobes, what's happening?
Speaker 4: Oh No, much just got back from work a little
Speaker 4: bit ago.
Speaker 2: I've rarely heard you say that to us of the last
Speaker 2: few years. Yeah, I mean whenever I've heard you, just
Speaker 2: because you know, when you were fishing and stuff, that's
Speaker 2: what I've mostly known you as a fishing stuff or
Speaker 2: brush clearing and all that sort of stuff. You never
Speaker 2: called it work. I just got back off the boat
Speaker 2: or something like that, you know, just got done, you know,
Speaker 2: going to shelter cobe or whatever. But yeah, I just
Speaker 2: got off of work. That's an unusual sentence to come
Speaker 2: out of your face.
Speaker 1: How is it?
Speaker 4: It's cool? I like it nice? Nice.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're you're doing God's work there working with children, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I like making connections with them and seeing
Speaker 4: the best is seeing like their light bulbs off in
Speaker 4: their head, you know, like when you explain like a
Speaker 4: mouth problem to him and you put it in a
Speaker 4: way that they understand and they get all excited because
Speaker 4: some of them struggle in school so aggravating form and
Speaker 4: just frustration, and when you see them get a breakthrough,
Speaker 4: it's really satisfying and rewarding. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then that one on one contact too, just like
Speaker 2: that the students said you know you're making a difference
Speaker 2: with and it's you that's pushing them through like that.
Speaker 2: You're the one that makes the rest of it tolerable
Speaker 2: for them, right. Yeah, that's really cool. Good for you, man.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you more about that on the bonus episode,
Speaker 2: you know, the members stuff. And of course, if if
Speaker 2: anybody wants to hear the bonus stuff, just go to
Speaker 2: Bigfoot of Beyond podcast dot com, hit the members click
Speaker 2: thing of a bob and it'll bring you where you
Speaker 2: need to go.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm sure Matt Protill put that link in
Speaker 2: the show notes too. But you've been doing any big
Speaker 2: Foot stuff? Anything new interesting going on?
Speaker 4: I got off to bluff again just for one night.
Speaker 4: I was cool, didn't hear anything, but I want to
Speaker 4: get up there. Well now that I'm working five days
Speaker 4: a week, we got Friday off, trying to get there
Speaker 4: Friday before before they close all the roads. It rained
Speaker 4: the last couple of days, so it might be closed already,
Speaker 4: but it hasn't rained that much up there yet.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting, yeah, because this is the time of
Speaker 2: year where you kind of have to keep an eye
Speaker 2: on that because you never know when they're going to
Speaker 2: shut that gate down.
Speaker 4: I think they closed it November first, no matter what
Speaker 4: I think, really.
Speaker 2: Is that just for the snow or is that like
Speaker 2: port Orford Cedar issues.
Speaker 4: Port Orfards, Yes, once there's rain. It used to be
Speaker 4: like I remember when we were logging, we had to
Speaker 4: be done by November fifteenth, was the last day you
Speaker 4: could be out anywhere, like in certain like Riparian zones
Speaker 4: with the cats, the caterpillars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the heavy machinery. I was, you can caterpillars, butterflies.
Speaker 2: What's the problem.
Speaker 4: I know there's been a lot of reports flooding in
Speaker 4: like BFRO and other places, and I've been hearing people saying,
Speaker 4: you know, talking about their big fitters and been here
Speaker 4: and stuff you know happening you know, of course all
Speaker 4: through October.
Speaker 2: Yeah, October the hunting season. I guess a lot more
Speaker 2: people out in the woods and went on too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad things are going on down there. I've
Speaker 2: been out a few times in the last week or
Speaker 2: two since I spoke to you, and it's just not
Speaker 2: a lot going on, man, not a lot going on. Well,
Speaker 2: I take that back. Actually, I did find a trackway
Speaker 2: about two weeks ago, possibly a new individual, possibly the
Speaker 2: old one. I'm not sure. I'm not sure because they
Speaker 2: were pretty old and they got rained on pretty good.
Speaker 2: But it was definitely a trackway. But then I went
Speaker 2: out a couple times since then and just nothing else,
Speaker 2: nothing else at all. So you know, I'm still going
Speaker 2: out there between one and three days a week. Right now,
Speaker 2: it's just lovely walks in the woods with nothing really
Speaker 2: going on. So it's been a few weeks since anything
Speaker 2: good is really popped up. But I'm going to keep
Speaker 2: on going. I'm going to keep on going. I don't
Speaker 2: know when I'm going to get to go out this week,
Speaker 2: but hopefully maybe as soon as the rain stops.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll see, right well, Speaking of conservationists and hunters,
Speaker 4: we got Salt of the Earth coming on the show.
Speaker 4: Joined us today a repeat customer I got I just
Speaker 4: and you everybody love sees just good vibes. Great guy,
Speaker 4: does you know use this bigfoot to help educate people
Speaker 4: on other wildlife topics and environmental concerns and uses? Is
Speaker 4: the way to connect with kids and help people out
Speaker 4: like sick kids and just one of the best guys'll
Speaker 4: ever be through big footing. We got Chester Moore coming
Speaker 4: on the show today out of Texas.
Speaker 2: We definitely wanted to have him back on again when
Speaker 2: we heard that he has a new book out and
Speaker 2: a new podcast, I guess, and I don't know anything
Speaker 2: about it, so I'm going to be discovering right along
Speaker 2: with all the listeners here. So, Chester, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming back on be going to be on
Speaker 2: with me and that guy.
Speaker 1: Hey, man, it's great to be here. I appreciate it
Speaker 1: so much. It's it's a lot of fun. You guys
Speaker 1: are have such contagious, fun attitude about this and it's
Speaker 1: just a great place to sit in and talk about
Speaker 1: our furry enigma out there in the woods.
Speaker 4: That's up, Chester. How's it going, Bud, Glad to have
Speaker 4: you back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's great to be here, buddy. And you know,
Speaker 1: I keep up with you guys as much as I can,
Speaker 1: So you guys have a lot going on, and so
Speaker 1: it's all it is fun to be able to reconnect
Speaker 1: kind of on the airwaves and just kind of learn
Speaker 1: what each other's doing while we're doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you had your podcast going, you just started
Speaker 4: the last time you were on, right.
Speaker 1: So I have Dark Outdoors the podcast I've been doing
Speaker 1: that for two years now. We were debuting the second
Speaker 1: season last year on your show. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: like true crimes, wildlife dangers, and strange encounters in the woods.
Speaker 1: But I also have just debuted three days ago a
Speaker 1: bigfoot YouTube channel called Global Bigfoot, and the idea is
Speaker 1: to talk about bigfoot type cryptis from around the world,
Speaker 1: mainly centered on North America, but also around the world,
Speaker 1: and then to use that as a platform to connect
Speaker 1: with kids that we might be able to work with
Speaker 1: to do the expeditions we do for kids that are
Speaker 1: facing special challenges. So Global bigfoots up for everyone to
Speaker 1: subscribe to, and I have a couple of cool ones up,
Speaker 1: including talking about a strange specimen I saw at the
Speaker 1: South Texas State Fair when I was a kid. It
Speaker 1: was an alleged big foot carcass.
Speaker 2: Is that the Minnesota iceman or what's going on with that?
Speaker 1: It's as far as I know, it's not one that's
Speaker 1: ever really been talked about. And that's also of new
Speaker 1: book Bigfoot South. If you gotta like to hear about this,
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting story.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this was I'm pretty sure because I
Speaker 1: was young. I'm fifty one, and I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 1: was an eighty four. It could have been eighty five,
Speaker 1: eighty four, eighty five at the South Texas State Fair
Speaker 1: and it's a really big state fair. And me and
Speaker 1: my mom went and we went into the area where
Speaker 1: they like have the games, and they're just really big
Speaker 1: setup with a trailer and it said, is this the
Speaker 1: body of a real Sasquatch? So for a kid who
Speaker 1: like was already obsessed with this stuff, this was like
Speaker 1: going to Willie Wonka's chocolate factory, you know. Like, and
Speaker 1: I actually knew about the Minnesota Iceman at the time,
Speaker 1: so I thought, maybe it's the Minnesota Iceman, you know.
Speaker 1: So we went in there and there was this, you know,
Speaker 1: they spend some money on this. In hindsight, it wasn't
Speaker 1: just like a you know, like a little thing you
Speaker 1: walk by. It was a nice trailer. It had like
Speaker 1: big sign print outs of the frame three fifty two
Speaker 1: of the Patterson Goodwin film other stuff in there, a
Speaker 1: lot of signage, and in a glass case not in ice,
Speaker 1: but like it was preserved and mounted, was this about
Speaker 1: six and a half to seven foot long carcass. And
Speaker 1: my mom says, I went at least five times that night,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't want do games, I kept going back in.
Speaker 1: I had to look at this thing. And the arm,
Speaker 1: one of the arms was kind of kind of curled
Speaker 1: up across the chest a little bit, and the other
Speaker 1: arm was kind of straight out, and it had a
Speaker 1: really round face and it had deep set eyes. I
Speaker 1: remember the eyes are real deep set, and the face
Speaker 1: was like if I were trying to make a fake Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have made it like that. And I
Speaker 1: could see teeth in the mouth, and it had obviously
Speaker 1: male genitalia, and it was really dark brown fur, and
Speaker 1: I mean we looked at it for a long time.
Speaker 1: I remember actually getting ran out of there at one
Speaker 1: point because more people want to come. I kept going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what am I looking at? But this
Speaker 1: was around nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five at a
Speaker 1: very big state fair, and they had spent some money
Speaker 1: on the production of this in terms of the trailer,
Speaker 1: the signage and whatever was in there. Was it a
Speaker 1: real carcass? Was it a fake? I just say this.
Speaker 1: Remember when the guys brought the Chewbacca costume and the
Speaker 1: freezer out like it was a Bigfoot a few years ago,
Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen years ago, and they went to
Speaker 1: all the circuits. It looked way better than that. And
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to put it out there to see
Speaker 1: if anyone else remembers seeing this and maybe another event
Speaker 1: or that event, or has any contacts of anyone who
Speaker 1: might have been associated with it.
Speaker 2: You haven't found any photographs of this, saying, or you're
Speaker 2: just barely beginning in the search here, trying to find
Speaker 2: any word at all.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. I've looked around. There's nothing online, and I
Speaker 1: see that matches it. I did talk with someone who
Speaker 1: saw the YouTube video up at Global Bigfoot and said
Speaker 1: send me a private send me as an email, and
Speaker 1: said that in the late seventies they saw something that
Speaker 1: sounded similar at a fair in Dallas. But this is
Speaker 1: just really begun, and I'm wanting to find out more
Speaker 1: information from people that might have seen something like that
Speaker 1: or knows somebody, because I'll tell you this much. I mean,
Speaker 1: like all this stuff is a good chance it was
Speaker 1: a fake, but it was a well done one. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just like Achewbacca costume thrown in some ice, you know,
Speaker 1: like we've seen it in a few years back, you know. It.
Speaker 1: It was really interesting. It's a big memory for my past.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the Minnesota Iceman. So if anyone has
Speaker 1: any info out there, I would love to hear about it.
Speaker 1: You can contact me at Chester at chestermore dot com.
Speaker 4: Have you talked to anyone that remembers seeing it?
Speaker 1: No, no one else right now. Like I said, someone
Speaker 1: saw what they said was in a Texas So there
Speaker 1: was in the late seventies. Apparently there was a bigfoot
Speaker 1: carcass going in Texas and it was an affair in Dallas.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the same one, but I
Speaker 1: literally just kind of brought this out to you know,
Speaker 1: to formulate and to see if anyone's heard about this.
Speaker 1: But this was this was definitely in the mid nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: eighty four, eighty five. I'm pretty sure it was eighty four.
Speaker 1: And I talked to my mom about it and you know,
Speaker 1: getting her memories of it, and she says she remembers
Speaker 1: looking at it and going, I just don't know. And
Speaker 1: we kind of came up with both talking about it
Speaker 1: that it was either pretty good special makeup effects or
Speaker 1: bad tax at earming. One of the two.
Speaker 2: So what other videos have you posted so far on
Speaker 2: your new bigfoot YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: I literally have three videos up, and one of them
Speaker 1: is just as a Bear. I filmed it was standing
Speaker 1: bipedally at our hotel, trying to get in the garbage
Speaker 1: can from a distance. I filmed it from a distance
Speaker 1: and did a little short saying, do you really think
Speaker 1: people could think this was a big foot? You know,
Speaker 1: because it was bipedal standing up messing with stuff. And
Speaker 1: then I did one that kicks off my book Bigfoot South,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's a little more in depth detail
Speaker 1: of the vocalization encounter that I had that kind of
Speaker 1: started my you know, thinking there really might be something
Speaker 1: out there, and that was that's a that's from East
Speaker 1: Texas here, and it's a really intense vocalization that I've
Speaker 1: heard twice in my life. And first time, I had
Speaker 1: no idea it might have been a bigfoot, didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was. My dad convinced me it might have
Speaker 1: been a black bear or something. Then I worked around
Speaker 1: black bears in college and realized black bear results on
Speaker 1: anything like that. And then we had an encounter in
Speaker 1: two thousand and I realized that was a Bigfoot and Bigfoot's.
Speaker 2: Reel and Bigfoot South is the book that you de served,
Speaker 2: republished or published for the first time.
Speaker 1: So I had. What I did was I had my
Speaker 1: own conferences from two thousand and two, in two thousand
Speaker 1: to two thousand and five called the Southern Crypto Conference,
Speaker 1: and it was all kind of crypto zoology stuff, not
Speaker 1: just Bigfoot. And I published one for the first event,
Speaker 1: and I just published enough to sell. I sold them
Speaker 1: all out like a year and a half, and there's
Speaker 1: never been anywhere out there, and it was a short book.
Speaker 1: This is about twice the amount of book, a ton
Speaker 1: of new stuff and a lot of new photos and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it's like a whole new book.
Speaker 1: But for people that have looked for Bigfoot South, that's
Speaker 1: out there. I know Daniel Perez has put it in
Speaker 1: his listing of big Foot books and stuff. This is
Speaker 1: the only version you're going to get, and it's a
Speaker 1: whole it's everything from the first version, plus i'd say
Speaker 1: fifty percent more book.
Speaker 2: And when was that first version published.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two? It was first back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, so it's been you know, basically off
Speaker 1: limits since about three I saw some copies on eBay
Speaker 1: one time, going really highlight three hundred bucks. I'm like, dang,
Speaker 1: I should have saved pled some back. But we do
Speaker 1: have the new and the cool thing about it is
Speaker 1: it you know, as the title implies, it is Bigfoot
Speaker 1: in the South. You know, it's it's about the Laura
Speaker 1: in the South. My own research, some lot of really
Speaker 1: crazy incidents and reports, and a lot of stuff Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: the arch attacts where I live, but also stuff in Florida, Mississippi, Tennis, Alabama,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. And I'm just looking at that entire phenomenon
Speaker 1: in the South, which is you guys know, you've been
Speaker 1: there a lot. It's really intriguing and has really deep roots.
Speaker 2: Now, well, where can people buy this?
Speaker 1: They can go to Bigfootsouth dot com or go to
Speaker 1: Global Bigfoot dot com. You can find links to get
Speaker 1: the book right there and get directly from me. I'm
Speaker 1: currently working on an audio version that will be up
Speaker 1: on the Amazon platform, and in the new year there
Speaker 1: will be the Kindle version coming out excellent.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliffanbogo will
Speaker 2: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: I was just looking at your YouTube page. Is that bear?
Speaker 4: Is that from Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I filmed that three weeks ago. It was in
Speaker 1: my hotel.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, that's such Tennessee, like East Tennessee
Speaker 4: up there and the Smokies. Those bears are just so bold.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm literally a walk outside, just take a look,
Speaker 1: and there's this bear walking toward the hotel. So I
Speaker 1: grabbed my camera and I got down there and the
Speaker 1: bear was gone, and so I got in the car
Speaker 1: and drove the block. When I came around the block,
Speaker 1: he was standing in the parking lot making a bee
Speaker 1: line toward the garbage can, and I just kind of
Speaker 1: filmed him over there by the garbage can. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if people see this, I think it's a bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but that definitely can't explain the whole big
Speaker 1: foot phenomenon. But I'll tell you this much, I'm glad
Speaker 1: I didn't walk over to that garbage garbage can and
Speaker 1: not know he was there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could. It could have fooled someone if it
Speaker 4: wasn't as good at lighting and like it was, you know,
Speaker 4: partially obscured by some brush or something. I could see
Speaker 4: that could definitely fool if you had squatched in the brain,
Speaker 4: that would that could get on get to you.
Speaker 1: I think people in Bear country would be like nah.
Speaker 1: But people who don't live in traditional bear country, you know,
Speaker 1: might think it's a big foot. You know, like most
Speaker 1: people in you know states like you know, Iowa and stuff,
Speaker 1: aren't really familiar with bears too much and they see
Speaker 1: something like that possibly. But you know, it's just something
Speaker 1: I threw out there because I'm like, here's the bigfoot
Speaker 1: guy seeing a bipedle bear fit in at the hotel.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because literally this
Speaker 2: week in my news feed from Forbes magazine, Forbes magazine
Speaker 2: came another news item where it says bigfoot sightings and
Speaker 2: they even put that in quotation marks. Bigfoot sightings are
Speaker 2: almost always this animal in disguise, a biologist explains, And
Speaker 2: of course they were blaming it on the black bear.
Speaker 2: And this was a rehashing because just a few years ago,
Speaker 2: if you remember, there was another pretty widely dispersed, widely
Speaker 2: circulated article kind of saying that, yeah, pretty much all
Speaker 2: the bigfoot sightings are black bear stuff. And of course
Speaker 2: there was a lot of critique that could be heaped
Speaker 2: upon that particular article, but this is essentially just a
Speaker 2: rehashing of the same thing. And even they even mentioned
Speaker 2: that article in it, so I think that they didn't
Speaker 2: have anything else to write about, so they decided to
Speaker 2: do that. But again they show pictures of black bear
Speaker 2: standing on their their back feet or whatever. But like
Speaker 2: clearly like to think that people like who are over
Speaker 2: familiar with the woods, who live in bear country and
Speaker 2: and you know, have these things around two that say
Speaker 2: that are almost always this animal and disguise. I think
Speaker 2: that's a far stretch. And also one other point before
Speaker 2: I get your response to that, are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: this matter. The fact that the title says are almost
Speaker 2: always that implies that there are other ones that are
Speaker 2: not black bears. So but they don't bother going into
Speaker 2: that at all.
Speaker 1: Of course, Well, you know, it's really interesting because I
Speaker 1: always say I pursue this in terms of the writings
Speaker 1: and the studies and things as a journalist and also
Speaker 1: a fanboy. But is it fanboys journalist? Let's say that right,
Speaker 1: and all it takes is one report, one encounter to
Speaker 1: be real for this to be an actual phenomenon. You know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't take thousands one so for them to leave
Speaker 1: a caveat there is very interesting. But you know, I
Speaker 1: put the bear photo up for fun in the video
Speaker 1: into you know, let people engage. Do you think this
Speaker 1: could be a mistake? Could you mistake this for a bit?
Speaker 1: I mean, I can see how someone that don't know
Speaker 1: could if they he had squashed on the brain, like
Speaker 1: Bobo said, But it's almost like a sarcastic asking I did.
Speaker 1: Do you really think that this is the entire Bigfoot phenomenon?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy. You know, there was video of
Speaker 1: a black bear that had an injury that was walking
Speaker 1: through neighborhoods a few years ago, and he walked by
Speaker 1: Pedley all the time and it looks really weird, almost
Speaker 1: like a guy in a bear costume. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: the conspiracy we're out there. It's not really bipedal bears,
Speaker 1: it's guys in a bear costume.
Speaker 2: Well so, yeah, like the controversy, for lack of a
Speaker 2: better term, just maybe last year or two or they
Speaker 2: thought in China they were putting people in bear costumes
Speaker 2: and putting them and putting them in the zoo, which
Speaker 2: I think is hilarious because they did get caught, actually
Speaker 2: that they did get caught painting a type of dog
Speaker 2: up to be a panda, and that was actually in
Speaker 2: the zoo, and I thought that was equally hilarious. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, the bears are very anthropomorphic. I think in
Speaker 2: some ways it's just like they look kind of like
Speaker 2: people in some fashions, particularly the sun bear. In this
Speaker 2: particular case, it was a sun bear because they have
Speaker 2: that white marking on the top part of their chest
Speaker 2: by their neck, which kind of made it look like
Speaker 2: that that'd be the place where the people would be
Speaker 2: for the human inside the costume to look out. But man, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty awesome. It's hilarious. But it also shows you
Speaker 2: how completely removed from the wild that so many people
Speaker 2: have become that they don't know that, you know, that
Speaker 2: that's actually what bears look like. That's a real bear,
Speaker 2: and they think they just think that it's a person
Speaker 2: in a suit. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, I had a biologist tell me that they thought
Speaker 1: the majority of bigfoot tracks in the South were faral
Speaker 1: hog rooting the ground, that that was what people think
Speaker 1: it were big foot tracks. And this is like, after
Speaker 1: being presented a picture of one that had like dermal
Speaker 1: ridging and stuff, and I'm like, sometimes the things that
Speaker 1: are used to dismiss the big Foot phenomen or more
Speaker 1: ridiculous and the more ridiculous side of the big Foot phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would totally, one hundred percent agree with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One thing I was looking at your page on
Speaker 4: like little Bigfoot you had, you had a thing. You
Speaker 4: had a little thing on the rock apes of Vietnam.
Speaker 4: And I just talked to my friend's dad not too
Speaker 4: long ago. He's an Army ranger, recon ranger, did a
Speaker 4: couple of tours in Noam and his best buddy he
Speaker 4: went through like they were high school buddies, and they
Speaker 4: joined together and he went he was in a different
Speaker 4: ranger outfit, and he was telling him that they actually
Speaker 4: had some guys get blown up because they'd pull the
Speaker 4: pin and throw a grenade and the rock apes should
Speaker 4: throw it back, so they had it, they'd have to
Speaker 4: pull the pin, wait like a few seconds and throw
Speaker 4: it so it wouldn't have time. They wouldn't have time
Speaker 4: to throw it back.
Speaker 1: Bubo. I'd love to connect with him because what started
Speaker 1: me on this growing up, My uncle was my uncle
Speaker 1: Jackie passed away a few years back. Was a nom
Speaker 1: in the Marines in sixty eight sixty nine, which was
Speaker 1: forty percent of the casualties of that year. A wild
Speaker 1: year over there, and grow up in like the Rambo era.
Speaker 1: All of us kids ask him every question about the war,
Speaker 1: of course, right, and he didn't want to talk about much,
Speaker 1: but he would tell us he would just talk about
Speaker 1: things they saw over there, and he mentioned rock apes,
Speaker 1: and growing up, I thought he was talking about some
Speaker 1: kind of a like chimp or something that lived over there.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And he ended up telling me his
Speaker 1: scariest moment in Nom involved a rock ape. He was
Speaker 1: set up on an ambush in the mountain country there
Speaker 1: and he was the point guy, and they'd been there
Speaker 1: for a little while and a rock hits him in
Speaker 1: the back and he's thinking, oh my god, you know
Speaker 1: the VC's right behind us, are about to blow my
Speaker 1: head off. Then a rock hits him harder, then another rock,
Speaker 1: so he swings around, thinking he's about to have to fire.
Speaker 1: He said, it wasn't nothing. It was just a big
Speaker 1: old rock ape sitting there throwing rocks at me, about
Speaker 1: ten yards behind him. And he said this rock ape,
Speaker 1: but so what did it look like? He described it
Speaker 1: as being like a guerrilla type animal, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a gorilla type, in a little bit longer hair.
Speaker 1: And then later on I didn't understand the cryptid connection
Speaker 1: of this, and I looked it up. I remember in
Speaker 1: college looking up and they know apes in Vietnam, you know,
Speaker 1: and realizing that it was a cryptid So to me,
Speaker 1: that's fascinating, especially the idea of like someone pulled their
Speaker 1: pins and they get them thrown back at them, and
Speaker 1: that's wild. Yeah, I would love to hear more rock
Speaker 1: ape stuff.
Speaker 4: And they said his buddy actually blew a couple up
Speaker 4: and they saw the bodies and stuff. I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think he ever saw him, just as good
Speaker 4: good buddy did.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. My uncle had a guy in his unit
Speaker 1: they nicknamed to this day this guy is called rock
Speaker 1: ape because the joke was he was built like a
Speaker 1: rock ape. So interesting stuff, man, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: They must have been. I could only speculate that they
Speaker 2: must have been a little bit more common back in
Speaker 2: the day, you know, because I've personally spoken to two
Speaker 2: or three eyewitnesses. I know my dad ran across an
Speaker 2: eyewitness at the gym. Like with this, I used to
Speaker 2: like bump into at the gym or something like that,
Speaker 2: like he mentioned what I did for a living or
Speaker 2: you know what I was up to, and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw one of those in Vietnam. It's like, but
Speaker 2: the number of stories that come out of Vietnam and
Speaker 2: just on accident basically because I'm not looking for bigfoot
Speaker 2: stories from Vietnam, but like they keep coming my way.
Speaker 2: They must have just been a little bit more common
Speaker 2: back in the day because when we went there for
Speaker 2: finding bigfoot. Yeah, there were witnesses, but what do you remember,
Speaker 2: like were there any recent witnesses or were they all
Speaker 2: like a decade or two old. I can't remember.
Speaker 4: I think that the most recent we had was like
Speaker 4: fifteen or twenty years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you kind of wonder, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: the population dropped there or something, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe from the war itself the bombing and.
Speaker 4: They got blown up. They got blown up. I mean
Speaker 4: there was what like ten million landmines left there when
Speaker 4: we pulled out. And it was like when I was
Speaker 4: in Nicaragua, went up looking for the bigfoots up in
Speaker 4: the mountains in Nicaragua, they all said, oh, we have
Speaker 4: them here. There was a lot of them. And then
Speaker 4: until the Concra American or whatever they call it down there.
Speaker 4: They until that war in the eighties, the Civil war,
Speaker 4: they said that there were so many land mines that
Speaker 4: they would just hear. You still hear they said that
Speaker 4: up in the mountains. So this day, animals walking through
Speaker 4: the jungle will step on a land mine. You just
Speaker 4: share explosion, he was telling us. Back in the in
Speaker 4: the eighties, they would hear explosions go off of the
Speaker 4: middle of the night. They'd go to see if it
Speaker 4: was like one of their pigs or cattle or something.
Speaker 4: That he said that more than once they found blown up,
Speaker 4: you know, bigfoot bodies out in the mountains like amongst
Speaker 4: tons of every other animal out there.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's sad. That's I never thought about that though.
Speaker 1: And you know something else. For Vietnam would consider it
Speaker 1: the agent Orange, you know, which cause a lot of
Speaker 1: problems for our troops. I'm sure it had to have
Speaker 1: some impact on wildlife too. Oh god, yeah, man, I've
Speaker 1: got my wheels turning now. This is the first time
Speaker 1: bigfoot landmines, Agent Orange had probably been in a conversation
Speaker 1: on the podcast. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know we're we pushed the boundaries here.
Speaker 2: To make a YouTube channel called Global Bigfoot, you must
Speaker 2: have a vision in mind, like a goal worldwide, relic,
Speaker 2: homonoid sort of situation.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that what you're going for with your YouTube channel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a certain way, so definitely, you know, it'll
Speaker 1: be mainly North America, but it'll my goal is to
Speaker 1: put about at least thirty percent of the content will
Speaker 1: be you know, cryptid type critters like that from around
Speaker 1: the world where the it's the system heighte like you
Speaker 1: might have been talking about there in El Salvador wherever
Speaker 1: you were, or you know, the Dwindy or the Yali,
Speaker 1: the Yetti, the Almus. You know, I love that stuff.
Speaker 1: And the other part of it is also the global
Speaker 1: nature of the Bigfoot fan base. To reach people who
Speaker 1: are interested in this stuff with a positive message of
Speaker 1: conservation and connect with kids around the globe that are
Speaker 1: into it. What inspired that was something that happened to
Speaker 1: me way back in two thousand and five. So I
Speaker 1: had signed a deal to do a hunting and fishing
Speaker 1: DVD of my good friend Eric Adams. He's a singer
Speaker 1: for the metal band man Awar, good friend of mine
Speaker 1: to this day. And I did this hunting and fishing
Speaker 1: DVD called Wildlife and Wild Times, and I was invited
Speaker 1: to go to Germany and speak on it at their
Speaker 1: fan convention for a week in Germany. And I arrived
Speaker 1: there and it's time for me to go to my
Speaker 1: room where I'm gonna be doing the seminar on this
Speaker 1: particular first day. And there's this young man in Israeli
Speaker 1: military fatigues waiting on me in the room. He goes,
Speaker 1: Chester Moore. He goes, I'm from the Israeli Air Force
Speaker 1: and I'm on a break and I came to Germany
Speaker 1: to meet you and talk about bigfoot. I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: So there's a global nature of this, and I think
Speaker 1: taking the Bigfoot phenomenon out there around the world where people,
Speaker 1: you know, we maybe we'll get more reports through this
Speaker 1: of the rock apes or more Yetti or Yawi, but
Speaker 1: also unite people interested in this phenomenon to get involved,
Speaker 1: get out in nature, and to support things that help kids,
Speaker 1: and also to really look at the You mentioned these
Speaker 1: these things like I never thought about land mines and
Speaker 1: things like that, things that could be harming nature and
Speaker 1: maybe find a way to say, hey, we would like
Speaker 1: to prove some of this stuff exist before it's gone,
Speaker 1: and maybe do some right things for a wildlife in
Speaker 1: our habitat. It's really kind of the vision of global Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: That's great that you're branching out beyond just reallytommonoids as well.
Speaker 2: Descriptive is in general from worldwide stuff because and again
Speaker 2: my focus is always Bigfoot. I'm I'm just kind of
Speaker 2: a one trick pony here, but I find that if
Speaker 2: you can do something to help sasquatches and anyway, it
Speaker 2: helps everything else. Years and years ago, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I mentioned this on our first interview, I came
Speaker 2: up with this little idea of conservation before discovery. You know,
Speaker 2: we're what we what we can be doing at this
Speaker 2: one because people say, well, what are we doing to
Speaker 2: harm sasquatches? Are we driving them extinct? And the answer is,
Speaker 2: we don't know. We just really don't know at this point.
Speaker 2: We all have our ideas, but there's really no strong
Speaker 2: evidence either way, honestly. But but what you can do
Speaker 2: is protect the land on which sasquatches live, and the
Speaker 2: more people are interacting with wild lands here in North America,
Speaker 2: which were so blessed to have so much of the
Speaker 2: better it's going to be for the wild lands and
Speaker 2: therefore all the animals, including ourselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at a place like Germany, right,
Speaker 1: and you know there was a black forest or some
Speaker 1: mountains and all that stuff there, but it is way
Speaker 1: more developed in America, and you know, like America, that
Speaker 1: stuff's growing all the time. So maybe getting people in
Speaker 1: their own nations respectively to look at that wild land
Speaker 1: at a different way through the big Foot phenomena, and
Speaker 1: then soliciting reports and kind of creating community out there
Speaker 1: about this, you know, and this is fun stuff, Like
Speaker 1: I might have said this last time, but always kind
Speaker 1: of at the end of the day, look at this
Speaker 1: like Scooby Doo. We're riding around the myss machine. We're
Speaker 1: looking for some monster and one day, hopefully we're going
Speaker 1: to go try to pull the mask off of old
Speaker 1: mister Johnson and it won't come off because they'y in
Speaker 1: a mask classy. I mean, that's kind of the way
Speaker 1: I look at this. It's fun, a fun element of this,
Speaker 1: but also the very important part about conserving land and
Speaker 1: also you know, Cliff and Bobo. What don't you say
Speaker 1: that just take Bigfoot on the equation. Wouldn't you say
Speaker 1: that you guys' lives have been enhanced by being out
Speaker 1: of nature so much?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, one percent. That's why I feel bad for
Speaker 4: people that, like on the West Coast, were so spoiled.
Speaker 4: There's so much public land, there's so much National forest
Speaker 4: and bill m that we could just go romp and
Speaker 4: camp and go wherever, do whatever we want, and you
Speaker 4: get back into it. Like Texas and other places, there's
Speaker 4: just not They don't have that chances get out and
Speaker 4: go in big wild spaces like very many places.
Speaker 1: Now you're right about that. I mean I live in
Speaker 1: the part of the state that has the most public land,
Speaker 1: which is the eastern part, and it's nothing compared even
Speaker 1: what the biggest area of public land of ours is,
Speaker 1: like nothing compared to what's out west, you know. So
Speaker 1: you're right and getting out and connected with nature and
Speaker 1: having fun and solving maybe solving these mysteries one day
Speaker 1: and getting your family involved. And you know, we work
Speaker 1: with kids facing special challenges in our in our in
Speaker 1: our christ centered ministry, but it's all about trying to
Speaker 1: get kids that you know, they might want to have
Speaker 1: a big Foot dream come true to go out and
Speaker 1: do an expedition and which we've been blessed to do
Speaker 1: in you know, Texas and Arkansas and all over the place,
Speaker 1: and it's just a fun topic. But you know that's
Speaker 1: if it's not fun, there's no point for me. And
Speaker 1: it's got to have a fun element. There's also that
Speaker 1: conservation side and the research and all of that. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing like sitting around a campfire us
Speaker 1: some people and then some guy who's always thought this
Speaker 1: was like a BS topic on the surface tell us
Speaker 1: you about something strange he saw on the hunting trip.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's what makes it fun.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back after these messages. It's so
Speaker 2: nice when one's personal interests and one's own source of
Speaker 2: curiosity perhaps you know, the focus that they love to
Speaker 2: do can not only obviously doing what you love is
Speaker 2: good for oneself, right, but when you can tie that
Speaker 2: into your passion, your love in life being good for
Speaker 2: other people, and on top of that, beyond the people,
Speaker 2: because I'm not really a people person, so yes, it's
Speaker 2: fine to help other people. I think it's important. I
Speaker 2: think it's good, it's good for the soul, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But to help the aquarium in which we live, because
Speaker 2: we are so far removed from nature in so many ways,
Speaker 2: in so many ways, and people so far so that
Speaker 2: people don't even realize that we are. We are part
Speaker 2: of that nature, you know, like we're not looking down
Speaker 2: upon it and trying to manage it. We we don't try
Speaker 2: to manage anything, but we're not looking down upon it
Speaker 2: as something separate. We are actually part of it. And
Speaker 2: what we do to help our other furry friends or
Speaker 2: reptilian friends or fishy friends or any other kind of
Speaker 2: wildlife by protecting them and enhancing and protecting their habitat
Speaker 2: does us good as well. We don't see ourselves as
Speaker 2: part of the system anymore, so, whenever our love can
Speaker 2: bleed over and benefit everything the planet of which we
Speaker 2: are part of. We are not from the earth. We
Speaker 2: are of the earth, you know. And I think that
Speaker 2: you're doing God's work there. So kudos to you, man.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it, you know. Me and my buddy
Speaker 1: Paul Fazienski, he does the wild man of the Woods
Speaker 1: Channel and I narrate some of his big Foot videos
Speaker 1: and he's all about the North American model of wildlife conservation.
Speaker 1: And I grew up learning that. You know, we killed
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that was on our dinner plate,
Speaker 1: deer hogs growing up, ducks, and a lot of fish
Speaker 1: we were childs. We were so poor we pretty much
Speaker 1: ate fish all summer that we went and caught growing up.
Speaker 1: So I knew that if I wanted to have a
Speaker 1: healthy fish that I couldn't. There were streams locally we
Speaker 1: couldn't because we're an industry. We couldn't eat out of
Speaker 1: because it was polluted. So I learned water pollution bad.
Speaker 1: We got to have fish and game regulations to manage
Speaker 1: harvests and things like that, and then you got to
Speaker 1: have wild spaces and all that somehow got mixed around
Speaker 1: in little Chester Moore's brain, and here we are, for good,
Speaker 1: bad or ugly. This is what we do.
Speaker 2: You live in Texas, I can totally understand why most
Speaker 2: of the focus of global big put it's going to
Speaker 2: be in North America, because you know, you live in
Speaker 2: North America. It's easier to get to it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's right there. We're all here. Have you had the
Speaker 2: opportunity to travel abroad to any of these other places
Speaker 2: or and if not, or if so, what is your
Speaker 2: experience in these other locations? It is it booksmarts or
Speaker 2: is it hands on stuff?
Speaker 1: It's book smarts. In terms of other nations, I've done
Speaker 1: other countries with wildlife. I've been to Venezuela, I've in
Speaker 1: New Mexico, Canada. I've been to Spain doing a thing
Speaker 1: with giant catfish. They're kind of a cryptid deal. And
Speaker 1: I've been to Germany. But I've never been and went
Speaker 1: and looked for ayale, which you know, that would be epic,
Speaker 1: you know, Or like my friend Todd Jurassic who went
Speaker 1: down to New Guinea looking for reptile cryptids and ran
Speaker 1: across some you know, he was taking flash cards to
Speaker 1: tribal people and they're all pointed a big foot looking creature.
Speaker 1: You know. I've never been able to do that stuff.
Speaker 1: But what I've done is i have a lot of
Speaker 1: wildlife contacts around the world, and I'm kind of using
Speaker 1: that to ask them if they know unusual reports and
Speaker 1: things like that, And that's where a lot of that's
Speaker 1: going to filter through. And then I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: thing once a month what's gonna be called retro Bigfoot Media,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to take some of these old forgotten
Speaker 1: books and old videos and stuff and kind of do
Speaker 1: commentary on some of it and talk about some of
Speaker 1: those reports that come out of Russia and come out
Speaker 1: of DePaul in places like India and things like that,
Speaker 1: because to me, that's really fascinating. If anything, that almost
Speaker 1: strengthens our argument of these things existing is that they're
Speaker 1: in similar places around the world. And what I really
Speaker 1: hope to get is a lot of other reports which
Speaker 1: will come in. I guarantee you there's going to be
Speaker 1: reports come in and you'll see about it on the
Speaker 1: channel and get to share my friends like you guys
Speaker 1: out there, And I just want to take a minute
Speaker 1: to give you to kudos, because I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: to see the forest for the trees and you guys
Speaker 1: being in the Finding Bigfoot world for so long and
Speaker 1: doing so much. The positive that you portrayed and that
Speaker 1: you exude through all the investigations really turned on a
Speaker 1: lot of people that didn't grow up with a shotgun
Speaker 1: in their hand or roden reel, but they wanted to
Speaker 1: go to nature, and you gave them a pathway to
Speaker 1: do that because you're just being you out there. And
Speaker 1: I talked to the kids that are like, worship what
Speaker 1: you guys did. So thank you for the positive mark
Speaker 1: you made on a lot of youth in America during
Speaker 1: that run in particular, and for I believe what you
Speaker 1: did was you let people know they can take part
Speaker 1: in this mystery as well, and I salute you for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank It's very kind of you. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that we all kind of carry that with
Speaker 2: us to some degree, at least on the Finding Bigfoot show,
Speaker 2: just because we all grew up watching the seventies documentaries
Speaker 2: and we knew there was like a little Cliff and
Speaker 2: a Bobito out there somewhere watching us, you know, and
Speaker 2: we knew that there was a certain level of responsibility
Speaker 2: that also I think went with that, you know, to
Speaker 2: represent the subject appropriately and you know that, to have
Speaker 2: fun but not be too over the top ridiculous about
Speaker 2: things and just invite people onto along with us on
Speaker 2: our adventure for that week, you know. So, And I
Speaker 2: guess that's probably still going on, I guess to a
Speaker 2: lot of to some degree, at least, so.
Speaker 1: Well, what's crazy to me is like, somebody messaged me
Speaker 1: last night, I watched you on Animal X. I was like,
Speaker 1: I filmed that in two thousand and five. They're still
Speaker 1: airing that thing.
Speaker 4: On the internet.
Speaker 1: Yep. Well I was on Animal X and I'm still
Speaker 1: friends with Natalie Schmidt to this day, doctor Natalie Schmidt,
Speaker 1: who was the co host of that thing. So that's
Speaker 1: one of the great things, all the people you connect
Speaker 1: with and all this stuff. But once again, Global guys
Speaker 1: were from Australia and there is a funny story in
Speaker 1: Bigfoot South about our encounter out in the Big Thicket
Speaker 1: with those guys and that film crew from.
Speaker 2: Australia Animal X. That was the same show that what
Speaker 2: happened to be on the expedition with the Skooka recovery. Yep.
Speaker 1: I sat around the campfire with Daniel Searle from Animal Legs.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that the Scukum cast was connected with that,
Speaker 1: and you know, they told us about that, and so
Speaker 1: that was that was super interesting to hear about that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, as we're in the Big Thicket of you know,
Speaker 1: East Texas where there's a lot of this lore and
Speaker 1: on the way into this location. We were hiking into camp,
Speaker 1: me and my friend Chris, who was also on the show.
Speaker 1: She and I walked to the top of the hill
Speaker 1: because it was at the time the only place she
Speaker 1: gets sell signal. In there. I'm talking to my wife
Speaker 1: Lisa and the Ohio primate. Yell starts. This is about
Speaker 1: five o'clock in the afternoon. It loud as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: and my wife goes, is that bigfoot? I said yes,
Speaker 1: and she listens and I howled back and it and
Speaker 1: it howled back twice as loud. And when we went
Speaker 1: back to the crew, they thought I did it. They
Speaker 1: thought I was like messing with them. I said, no,
Speaker 1: I did the second call, but the first and third
Speaker 1: worse something else, and I'll never forget. Me and Natalie
Speaker 1: Schmidt are on this little there's a there's a lake,
Speaker 1: small lake in there, and we had a thermal unit
Speaker 1: and she and I was our shift to kind of
Speaker 1: keep each other awake, talking and watch the thermal camera.
Speaker 1: And the yell happened. She goes, chester it wasn't you,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was. It kind of freaked her out,
Speaker 1: but it was really cool. It was a fun experience.
Speaker 1: And there was some stuff that definitely happened out there,
Speaker 1: and that that Big Thicket National Preserve and some of
Speaker 1: those areas in there have a ton of reports over
Speaker 1: the years and a lot of sightings, a lot of
Speaker 1: tracks found, and things like that.
Speaker 2: I love it, Chester, that wasn't you, Like you didn't know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I'm pretty well aware it wasn't me,
Speaker 1: you know, but it was just that moment. I'll never
Speaker 1: get Chester, it wasn't you. So uh, it was like
Speaker 1: it was like a coming. It was like a real
Speaker 1: moment of like I'm standing in the woods and it
Speaker 1: wasn't the guy standing next to me making that creepy sound.
Speaker 1: So now what was that? You know? So that was fun.
Speaker 4: That's the best when a family member gets uh gets
Speaker 4: baptized by fire.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, And then there was a lot of things
Speaker 1: that happened on that episode. I mean, we walked out
Speaker 1: to the place that we were set up is a
Speaker 1: dead end, and you know, you have to hike through
Speaker 1: six or seven miles of swamp and woods to get
Speaker 1: even to a road from unless you go, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's no other way out than the one road.
Speaker 1: So we left camp and drove about two miles up
Speaker 1: to this one point to do some call blasting, and
Speaker 1: nothing happened. We came back. It was the There was
Speaker 1: about six or seven limbs broken on the way to
Speaker 1: our campsite, like right in a row, in a small tree,
Speaker 1: pushed in the middle of the trail. It was wild
Speaker 1: and so that set the tone for a very interesting night.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a lot of sleep for everybody, I
Speaker 1: don't think, you know.
Speaker 2: So fortuitous you had a film crew along with you.
Speaker 1: It was, well, here's what was interesting. The last this
Speaker 1: is the last night. We told them big film crew
Speaker 1: to leave, so Daniel and Natalie only had handhelds and
Speaker 1: that's when the action happened.
Speaker 4: Of course, always feels like that.
Speaker 1: Yep, because you know, I don't we don't. We don't
Speaker 1: need a bunch of lights and this and then this.
Speaker 1: Let's just do this hang out here they have little
Speaker 1: handhelds and we got that. Of course, the next day
Speaker 1: they went back and filmed that stuff. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: during the daylight with the film crew and all that.
Speaker 1: But it was fun, it was it was It was
Speaker 1: an interesting It was an interesting time. Usually you film stuff,
Speaker 1: you guys know, and nothing hardly happens, but that worked out.
Speaker 1: That was a good filming and the crew were really
Speaker 1: nice and fun.
Speaker 2: So your podcast Dark Outdoors, is that correct? Yes, sir, okay,
Speaker 2: you focus on wildlife stuff and true crime. Is it
Speaker 2: is it a combination of the two or is it
Speaker 2: this or that?
Speaker 1: No, what it is, it's it's the dangerous side. So,
Speaker 1: like my intro to the show says, you know, we
Speaker 1: love the outdoors for the peace and solitude, but sometimes
Speaker 1: the outdoor experience goes dark. And so it's true crime
Speaker 1: that happens to people in the outdoors. It is animal attacks,
Speaker 1: and it's range encounters and kind of it's a marriage
Speaker 1: of all the stuff that's kind of interests me. And
Speaker 1: it's you know, it started with me twenty years ago
Speaker 1: in the in the Emerald Triangle up there, you know,
Speaker 1: in Humboldt, Counting getting ran off the top of a
Speaker 1: mountain by drug runners. Me and my dad, I'm almost
Speaker 1: they were trying to push us off the mountain.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was the wildest expense I've ever had in my
Speaker 1: life with anything. The Forest Service we called them and said,
Speaker 1: you're lucky, you're alive. I'm like duh, and I kept
Speaker 1: running into and talking to people that had different criminal
Speaker 1: base type encounters of people in the wild, and so
Speaker 1: I decided to do a radio show, My More Outdoors
Speaker 1: radio show.
Speaker 4: One night.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a topic that night, so I told
Speaker 1: that story Have you ever had anything like that happen?
Speaker 1: And I couldn't take all the calls people had all
Speaker 1: kind of crazy stuff happened like that. So you get
Speaker 1: into the animal dangers, whether it's feral hogs. We just
Speaker 1: had a grizzly attack show, an awesome Grizzly attack show
Speaker 1: on Dark Outdoors. And then you take strange encounters. That's
Speaker 1: kind of like about twenty percent of my shows. It
Speaker 1: might be a big foot, you'll have Lyle Blackburn. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the Lake Worth monster right now on the
Speaker 1: current episode of this week. And so just the dark
Speaker 1: side of the outdoors, you know, the side of the outdoors.
Speaker 1: It's either mysterious or dangerous. That's what Dark Outdoors is about.
Speaker 2: Does that sort of thing haunt you when you're out
Speaker 2: in the woods, like thinking back, like, oh man, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't be here because that one dude or one gal
Speaker 2: that I had on my podcast, because you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't see I did. I purposefully did not watch blair
Speaker 2: Witch The blair Witch Project for like a decade or two.
Speaker 2: And I also don't read David Polidi's books because my
Speaker 2: Mountain the Woods a lot alone.
Speaker 1: You know, No, I get it. You know, Wow, it's
Speaker 1: a really great question, Cliff. I have spots I won't
Speaker 1: go to. I have spots that I just say, Nope,
Speaker 1: ain't worth it because of what I've been told. And
Speaker 1: there are moments out there where you think, you know,
Speaker 1: this might not be the smartest thing I've ever done,
Speaker 1: you know, like the cause of what you know and
Speaker 1: some guests has told you what you've encountered before. But
Speaker 1: I do have a couple places I just won't go
Speaker 1: and it does kind of haunt you a little bit.
Speaker 1: But it's about raising awareness and because you know, people do.
Speaker 1: The first episode I ever did was with Steven Michauw,
Speaker 1: the guy who set across from Ted Bundy at Anybody
Speaker 1: for six months because a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 1: Bundy took a lot of women into the National Force,
Speaker 1: and it just let us realize that there are bad
Speaker 1: people out there, and I want the good people to
Speaker 1: come home, you know what I mean? If the ted
Speaker 1: stay in the wood, the pile of blood. That's okay,
Speaker 1: but I want the families to come home. And most
Speaker 1: people are out there for non dangerous things, but there
Speaker 1: are bad situations. I mean the drug industry in the woods.
Speaker 1: There's all kind of bizarro stuff. I mean missing people,
Speaker 1: And so I have each show, I have a missing
Speaker 1: person that's recently missing in the wild, trying to raise
Speaker 1: awareness of that. I also have a defense segment, and
Speaker 1: it's it's sometimes it's really simple stuff like I call
Speaker 1: strategic parking. When I go to a location, I always
Speaker 1: park the direction I'm going to leave the location, so
Speaker 1: I don't have to turn around the last minute, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm getting chased by some psycho, you know, watching
Speaker 1: US slasher movies in the eighties, realize that Jason's going
Speaker 1: to kill you while you're stuck in the mud backing up.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not going to have that happen, you know,
Speaker 1: So or it might be the right if you can
Speaker 1: carry a weapon and where it's legal, how to how
Speaker 1: to prepare for that, or using bear spray or just
Speaker 1: thinking positive ways to stay safe out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the first thing to teaching. Well, there's safety
Speaker 4: is have your vehicle pointed the way you're going to leave.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, man, I mean I did it because
Speaker 1: of the location. I told you, with film with animal legs,
Speaker 1: it's a dead end and it is a nightmare to
Speaker 1: turn around in there. So always make sure and got
Speaker 1: it go in the right direction. And that's that's a
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. But you know, the response from
Speaker 1: this show has been like wild. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of good show leads. I've had people
Speaker 1: tell me they're they're they're preparing differently. You know, they're
Speaker 1: looking at the woods differently, and they're wanting to go
Speaker 1: out there and be safe with their families and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So that's that's that's a real fun thing
Speaker 1: for me. And it's interesting to investigate this stuff too.
Speaker 1: You know, this was an organic show. It just kind
Speaker 1: of things happened to me, and then I saw how
Speaker 1: much happen to other people. I said, I better put
Speaker 1: a media platform for that. So there's a Dark Outdoors
Speaker 1: book coming out next year. I'm pretty excited about that,
Speaker 1: and so that's gonna be fun. I'm gonna beinge hard well.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It's available on every podcasting platform, and it's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. And what's interesting about this last year is,
Speaker 1: you know, I did some strange encounter stuff and I
Speaker 1: have an episode up about some potential lost tribe people
Speaker 1: that hunters and prospectors in the sixties, seventies and eighties
Speaker 1: encountered in Texas and is the strangest story I've ever had,
Speaker 1: but I'm actually getting reports of it. So you got that.
Speaker 1: Then you got episodes about certain national forest where you
Speaker 1: have all this dangerous stuff happening. So it's a variety,
Speaker 1: but it also all has that thread of like either
Speaker 1: I'm about to die or holy crap, that scares of
Speaker 1: craft of me? What did I see? That's really what
Speaker 1: Dark Outdoor is about.
Speaker 2: So it's a feel good show.
Speaker 1: It's a real feel good show. From Ted Bundy to
Speaker 1: ravaging Cannibals. You never know what you're gonna have on
Speaker 1: Dark out Doors.
Speaker 2: You know, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: That last tribe, that's a really interesting one. They kind
Speaker 4: of like break off of the Apache, right, So.
Speaker 1: This is a guy named Rob Riggs wrote an interesting
Speaker 1: big Foot book called on a trail of the wild Man.
Speaker 1: And Rob was a friend of mine. He was local
Speaker 1: to me. He lived like forty five minutes from me,
Speaker 1: and he mentioned in his book about these people in
Speaker 1: the sixties seventies, I believe, up into the eighties that
Speaker 1: reported running into in the Lower Trinity River Old River
Speaker 1: basin all the way up into the Big Thicket of
Speaker 1: what they described as Indians and someone getting shot at
Speaker 1: with a primitive bow. And they were like six or
Speaker 1: seven reports. And this came because my good buddy Layle
Speaker 1: Blackburn asked if i'd ever read that book, and he'd
Speaker 1: had some kind of interesting report on it. And so
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm gonna do a show and read the
Speaker 1: excerpts from Rob's book and throw it out there. Is
Speaker 1: it possible and maybe up until that time or maybe today,
Speaker 1: I don't know, or could there have been people who
Speaker 1: were wanting to go back and live a primitive lifestyle
Speaker 1: back then? You know, could have been something like that
Speaker 1: that they ran into. And then the episode airs and
Speaker 1: I get a report, a very long detail one from
Speaker 1: a guy whose father was the sheriff of an area
Speaker 1: and went out to investigate one of these reports. And
Speaker 1: when he was a kid. He saw the evidence photo
Speaker 1: of the arrow that was fired at one of the hunters.
Speaker 1: So interesting stuff, Like I said, is it, you know true?
Speaker 1: Is it something that where people went back, like in
Speaker 1: the sixties and want to go back and live a
Speaker 1: primitive lifestyle or could they have been a few survivors
Speaker 1: in this one area. I don't know, but I'll give
Speaker 1: you this. If I saw some brothers dress locked that
Speaker 1: out in the woods and the dark woods in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night, they would scare the you know
Speaker 1: what out of me, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I'd feel like I stepped into some kind of
Speaker 1: time portal ended up back in the early eighteen hundred
Speaker 1: or something. That would be weird. But I thought that
Speaker 1: was a fun, interesting show to do.
Speaker 4: The person I've read they made a real compelling argument
Speaker 4: that they were remnants of from the whole like rating
Speaker 4: back and forth, like the command she's chasing the apaches
Speaker 4: down south, you know, out of out of Arizona up
Speaker 4: there in New Mexico and Texas area and pushing him
Speaker 4: down in New Mexico, and that they were survivors of that,
Speaker 4: and they they never had like a treaty like they
Speaker 4: never had a peace treaty, and they would kind of
Speaker 4: rob herders, you know, like shepherds and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: They it was fascinating though. I was like, wow, that
Speaker 4: really went on all the way up until like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think like the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: Well it was in the tribe that on the one side,
Speaker 1: the southern part of this was he kind of connected
Speaker 1: with the Corankawas, who like kind of like you said,
Speaker 1: they just disappeared. They just went. There was no record
Speaker 1: of them dying off. It's just like off the grid,
Speaker 1: you know. So and I've heard that other things that
Speaker 1: people being pushed down, and there's a lot of interesting
Speaker 1: stuff out there related to this, but I had I
Speaker 1: thought I would throw that one. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: fun one out there, and it's been it's been, it's
Speaker 1: been responded to really well, and I love that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. It's so interesting, you know. And that came
Speaker 1: from my buddy Lyle asking if I had read the book,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I hadn't read it in twenty years,
Speaker 1: but I'll go back and look at it again. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I was blown away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's great because the mystery of it the spookiness,
Speaker 2: the mystery, the the it's it's not outlandish that such
Speaker 2: a thing could happen, although it is unusual. But tell
Speaker 2: me about this grizzly attack thing, because that is one
Speaker 2: of my biggest thing. I don't like the camp where
Speaker 2: grizzly bears are, and that the grizzly bears are a
Speaker 2: thing for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. So I grew up reading sports
Speaker 1: and Field outdoor life. You know, field and stream they're
Speaker 1: full of grizzlies. To my dad used to read me.
Speaker 1: He loved the grizzly stories, but he always said, I
Speaker 1: will never go and hunt in a state that has grizzlies. Right,
Speaker 1: he was scared of grisly. I've been all over some
Speaker 1: of the grizzly areas, but I don't like to camp
Speaker 1: in grizzly areas. And I met Ben Virtule and his wife, Amanda,
Speaker 1: is the head of the of a facility that I've
Speaker 1: been to in Wyoming a couple of times, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, I was talking about dark outdoors to him.
Speaker 1: He said, I need to share my grizzly story because
Speaker 1: I've never told it publicly. And man, he was out,
Speaker 1: this is this happened twenty years ago. He's never shared
Speaker 1: it publicly. And he has this crazy grizzly encounter day
Speaker 1: one of a hunt in the area. He said it
Speaker 1: is probably in a linear miles you know, fifty miles
Speaker 1: from a town, so as far you know, way out
Speaker 1: at the time, and this grizzly they get it to leave.
Speaker 1: It finally backs off and the grizzly had a yellow
Speaker 1: tag in its ear. It's left ear, so they've been
Speaker 1: captured before they crossed. All these creeks go back in
Speaker 1: this elk hunting area and they have all kinds of
Speaker 1: other crazy including a forest fire thing happened that was wild.
Speaker 1: They had to put out. It was crazy. And he
Speaker 1: kills this big elk and he's he gets down to
Speaker 1: the carcass of the elk. He's starting to get the
Speaker 1: meat off of it to pack up, and he hears
Speaker 1: rocks behind him. He's thinking, man, that's really weird. I
Speaker 1: can't believe more elk will be coming down in this
Speaker 1: valley after our shot. And he looks around. It's a
Speaker 1: sal grizzly and her two cups. So he goes, oh, no,
Speaker 1: this ain't good because I'll have to kill all three
Speaker 1: of them that they come at me. So he decided
Speaker 1: to take as much meat as he could, and he
Speaker 1: already had the skin and the horns on his backpack
Speaker 1: and packed it in. Was going to get out of
Speaker 1: this spot and then come back the next morning see
Speaker 1: if there was anything left of the elk, because he couldn't.
Speaker 1: You know, it's either kill the bears or whatever. So
Speaker 1: he gets down, he gets down, he's head, he's half
Speaker 1: mile from camp, and he said, something hit him so hard.
Speaker 1: He literally knocked him about ten feet in the air
Speaker 1: and knocked him so well. Hi, he had time to
Speaker 1: click the safety off his gun and fire, and then
Speaker 1: he gets the ground and then a grizzly comes and
Speaker 1: knocks him off this ledge to about ten feet down
Speaker 1: in this creek. And then the grizzly is on top
Speaker 1: of him. And it was a wild story. And he said,
Speaker 1: absolutely the grizzly thought he was an elk. But here's
Speaker 1: the crazy part. Eight days earlier, that was the same grizzly,
Speaker 1: probably seven or eight miles away that he ran away
Speaker 1: from another spot. It was a one with a tag
Speaker 1: in his ear, and it came back and got him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great story. He's a great storyteller, but what
Speaker 1: they went through in that hunt, and by the way,
Speaker 1: this guy is tougher than leather, the stories he told
Speaker 1: about the recovery and all that stuff, because he ended
Speaker 1: up being not so bad of shape like he could
Speaker 1: have been. But it was a horrifying story. And you know,
Speaker 1: he tells people about, you know, some things to do
Speaker 1: in bear country and stuff like that, but it was
Speaker 1: you know, I'm with you, Cliff, I'm not big on
Speaker 1: camping in grizzly country.
Speaker 2: I have Campton. I went backpacking in Yellowstone one time
Speaker 2: with my first wife, Monica, and we were camping out
Speaker 2: there just for like two nights or something like that,
Speaker 2: if I remember right, and I remember it was on
Speaker 2: the second day or maybe the walk out on the walk,
Speaker 2: we noticed that just three hundred yards from where we're
Speaker 2: camping are the remnants of an elk carcass. And I sinking, oh,
Speaker 2: I wish, yeah, we should never have camped here. This
Speaker 2: is but I mean, and of course we got out.
Speaker 2: Everything's fine. And it was actually the next morning that
Speaker 2: I saw a grizzly bear for the first time with
Speaker 2: my own eyes. And this is back, you know, way
Speaker 2: back in like ninety seven or six or something like that.
Speaker 1: Was it on the carcass?
Speaker 2: No, No, it wasn't. Actually, we had hiked out and
Speaker 2: got back late enough that we had to spend the
Speaker 2: night in one of those backpackers camp sites and campgrounds,
Speaker 2: you know, like on the fringe of the drive in
Speaker 2: tourist ones. And it was we got a site there,
Speaker 2: which was probably unheard of nowadays in Yellowstone, I think,
Speaker 2: to get a site just you know, on the same day.
Speaker 2: But I remember we got up in the morning, got
Speaker 2: out of the tent, and we're next to a meadow
Speaker 2: and and I saw out. I looked out in the meadow.
Speaker 2: I stretched and it was like a shark fin out
Speaker 2: at a yellow tan shark fin out in the meadow,
Speaker 2: just going through like all it's all I could see
Speaker 2: was the hump of the grizzly bear kind of running
Speaker 2: through the meadow. And I saw it jump in the
Speaker 2: river and then it crossed the river and just like
Speaker 2: a you know, like a ten fifteen foot wide creek
Speaker 2: and it continues like, oh, shoot, look at that. I said,
Speaker 2: come look at this, and she Monica got out and
Speaker 2: we watched the sharkfin go and it ran right into
Speaker 2: the tourist campground, right up to like a picnic table,
Speaker 2: and it was like a dog having the time of
Speaker 2: its life, you know, right up to a table and
Speaker 2: got some food that was out there, and you know,
Speaker 2: and then it looked like European tourists were in dolphin
Speaker 2: shorts were trying to get up to it to take pictures,
Speaker 2: and people were honking at it, and it just was
Speaker 2: having a great time. And it ran over the hill
Speaker 2: and I heard honking and whatever else, and I just
Speaker 2: went like, holy smokes, I'm so glad that didn't come
Speaker 2: into our camp. Of course, we had no food out
Speaker 2: and everything like that either, but but you know, it
Speaker 2: was it knew where to get a meal.
Speaker 1: The scariest grizzly story I've ever heard was this guy
Speaker 1: who's a fishing guy in South Texas and his brother
Speaker 1: moved up to Alaska, so he went up there to
Speaker 1: go hunting, and so they're camping out and he wakes
Speaker 1: up and he hears like something outside the tent and
Speaker 1: he hears heavy breathing and he realizes it's a bear,
Speaker 1: and he's reaching around. He can't find his gun. He's
Speaker 1: trying to wake up his brother. He's screaming, hollering at
Speaker 1: the bear whatever. And he says the bear was breathing
Speaker 1: at the tent and when it would breathe in, it
Speaker 1: would suck the tent toward it. Because he had a
Speaker 1: little head, he had a little light on it looked
Speaker 1: a little leg and see that he can see the
Speaker 1: breath coming and the bear just sitting there breathing outside
Speaker 1: the tent. And he sees, he said, he seems like
Speaker 1: the claw comes up in the shadow, just like touching
Speaker 1: the tinagle. My god's about to rip through the tent.
Speaker 1: And so he finally gets to the gun bag, the
Speaker 1: bag of the gun the gun was in and he
Speaker 1: got the gun out, and he said when he clicked
Speaker 1: the bag open that the bear's freaked. Scared the bear
Speaker 1: and here's a brig that big bear runaway. Send the
Speaker 1: bear runs off. He shakes his brother. His brother gets
Speaker 1: up and he pulls ear plugs out and he goes, dude,
Speaker 1: there was a freaking grizzly bear about to kill us
Speaker 1: outside the ten. He goes, yeah, what do you have
Speaker 1: your ears plugged for? He goes, look, if they come
Speaker 1: in the tent after you, enough you can do about it.
Speaker 1: I just want to die in peace. So I just
Speaker 1: wear ear plugs in I'm out here. I mean, I
Speaker 1: thought that was like insane, but that was spooky. I've
Speaker 1: got one I'm doing for next season. It's going to
Speaker 1: be I've been formulating on what you're supposed to do
Speaker 1: when you're attacked by a faral hawk, because there are
Speaker 1: no rules for that. You know, you have well established
Speaker 1: rules for bear attacks, but what about a hog attack?
Speaker 4: They don't fall through like a bear, don't. They just
Speaker 4: kind of mess you up then take off. Hogs.
Speaker 1: Well, so I talked to I did a show on bears,
Speaker 1: and I had this gentleman on who's probably the world's
Speaker 1: foremost bear I mean, excuse me, a expert on thing
Speaker 1: related to hogs and especially hog attacks. It's really grewsome
Speaker 1: stuff he studied, and he's like, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: you need to fight back because if you get on
Speaker 1: the ground in that position, hogs are very unreliable. We
Speaker 1: don't know what they're going to do. They're very unpredictable,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I'm trying to like get a
Speaker 1: couple of other people. I'm trying to formulate a game
Speaker 1: plan for Lucky. I get tacked by a sow and
Speaker 1: you know it's a sow. Is that going to be
Speaker 1: different than if a big loan boar comes after you?
Speaker 1: You know, because a sow wants to eliminate you as
Speaker 1: a threat from her piglets, whereas a boar might be
Speaker 1: trying to kill you. And he told stories of ones
Speaker 1: in Europe that were like, there was a hog in
Speaker 1: Spain that was a predator hog they had to kill
Speaker 1: because he was hunting people to eat them. Wow. Who yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was spooky. I mean there's a dude
Speaker 1: in Pineville, Louisiana in my book Hog Wow, he had
Speaker 1: a hog busted through his screen door and attacked him
Speaker 1: on his couch.
Speaker 4: How did fel die from hogs?
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It happens a lot in Europe and Asia,
Speaker 1: but not so much in America. But that's it's coming to. Uh.
Speaker 1: We had a lady unfortunately four years ago, killed about
Speaker 1: an hour from me and in her y and her
Speaker 1: she was a medical She stayed with older people and
Speaker 1: did medical care for him overnight and it killed in
Speaker 1: the yard of one of her clients. So we're trying
Speaker 1: to put together stuff like that that maybe hasn't been
Speaker 1: done and get experts to give us some ideas on
Speaker 1: how to how to do that, and maybe we just
Speaker 1: all get together and do and how to stay safe
Speaker 1: safe in the Squatch woods together.
Speaker 4: You know, it's amazing though, for how how aggressive they
Speaker 4: can be and how many millions there are that there's
Speaker 4: not more gruesome stories like they're It doesn't like they're
Speaker 4: that bad compared to the amount of them out there,
Speaker 4: and how few attacks there are, like you know, major attacks.
Speaker 1: No, it that's a great point. For example, you know
Speaker 1: they estimated about six million in the US. If we
Speaker 1: had six million grizzlies in the US, there'd be deaths
Speaker 1: all over the place. Yeah, you know, grizzlies aren't out
Speaker 1: to get people, but some grizzlies don't mind taking a chunk.
Speaker 1: And if you had six million grizzlies, it'd be a
Speaker 1: whole different situation. But you know, it kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to some of the you know we talked earlier
Speaker 1: about like how we don't know how like maybe these
Speaker 1: land mines in Vietnam or development here in the US,
Speaker 1: what the impacts are having on Sasquatch. It kind of
Speaker 1: like gets back to that in way, like you have
Speaker 1: the gray wolf and the coyote situation. Development happens. Coyotes
Speaker 1: are rocking along, baby, They're gonna eat out of your scraps.
Speaker 1: They're gonna do whatever. They're gonna sleep, you know, next
Speaker 1: to your uh, you know, next to your shed and
Speaker 1: the woodpile. They don't care. Gray wolves, for example, can't
Speaker 1: tolerate it. They don't work well and they don't do
Speaker 1: as well, so they're pushed further and their numbers decline.
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, and you know, I think some
Speaker 1: of that stuff, you know, even nature in general, it's like,
Speaker 1: what is the response to more people being around some
Speaker 1: of them? It's got fight or flight, you know, either
Speaker 1: one and maybe a flight of numbers declining or you know,
Speaker 1: going back into further recesses of the wilderness.
Speaker 2: Very interesting. You know that this conversation is great and
Speaker 2: we want to continue it. I think over at the
Speaker 2: members section, if you have time, Chester, can you stick
Speaker 2: around and do a member's episode with us.
Speaker 1: I always have time for Cliff and Bobo. That's just
Speaker 1: the way it is.
Speaker 2: We love you right well, before we get going, Chester,
Speaker 2: can you tell everybody what you're up to real fast,
Speaker 2: where to find jin, how to contact you if they
Speaker 2: have cool stories they want to share with you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. So you can subscribe on my new
Speaker 1: Bigfoot channel, Global Bigfoot on YouTube, also Dark Outdoors the
Speaker 1: podcast on all podcasts and platforms, whether it's Spotify, iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, wherever you listen and go to hire Calling
Speaker 1: dot net, my blog and the chester More that is
Speaker 1: the as we can use other people. The chester More
Speaker 1: on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Not just a chester More, the chester More chester More.
Speaker 1: I had to take that because somebody else just had
Speaker 1: chester and More said the chester More. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I means it's like I'm an egotist, but I'll take it.
Speaker 4: That's great, dude, Yeah, I like it. You're embracing the
Speaker 4: hip hop.
Speaker 2: There you go, bro, And of course all those links
Speaker 2: are going to be in the show notes as well,
Speaker 2: so you can just go down there and check out
Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. Bob, do you want to
Speaker 2: get us out of here?
Speaker 4: All right, folks, that's a great d chester More joining
Speaker 4: us today. We always enjoy this company. Is a great guy,
Speaker 4: interesting stuff, and so thank you for tuning in and
Speaker 4: joining us and until next week, keep it Squatchy.
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