WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.679 Big Food and be On. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.960 With Cliff and Bulbo. These guys are your favorites, so 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:16.120 like Shay, subscribe and rate it live Star and me 4 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:25.320 on Yesterday and listening watching them always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.280 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and. 6 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:30.399 James bugle Fay. 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.640 Hey, Hey, hey everyone, this is Matt Prod here. Just 8 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.880 wanted to give you guys some updates about our membership. 9 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.719 So over at Patreon, we now offer annual memberships and 10 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:42.000 that's actually going to be at a ten percent discount 11 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:44.679 when compared to the monthly membership. 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But just wanted 40 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.639 to make that clear and provide you all with these updates. 41 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.159 But as always, the links are in the show notes 42 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.479 and hope you enjoy this week's episode. 43 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.080 Hey Bobes, what's happening? 44 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.439 Oh No, much just got back from work a little 45 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:22.800 bit ago. 46 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:29.360 I've rarely heard you say that to us of the last 47 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:32.439 few years. Yeah, I mean whenever I've heard you, just 48 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:34.439 because you know, when you were fishing and stuff, that's 49 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:37.159 what I've mostly known you as a fishing stuff or 50 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.360 brush clearing and all that sort of stuff. You never 51 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.759 called it work. I just got back off the boat 52 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:43.800 or something like that, you know, just got done, you know, 53 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.800 going to shelter cobe or whatever. But yeah, I just 54 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:48.960 got off of work. That's an unusual sentence to come 55 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:49.560 out of your face. 56 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:50.879 How is it? 57 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.080 It's cool? I like it nice? Nice. 58 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.080 Well, yeah, you're you're doing God's work there working with children, right. 59 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.520 Yeah, Like I like making connections with them and seeing 60 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.280 the best is seeing like their light bulbs off in 61 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:03.919 their head, you know, like when you explain like a 62 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:05.960 mouth problem to him and you put it in a 63 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.840 way that they understand and they get all excited because 64 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.319 some of them struggle in school so aggravating form and 65 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.599 just frustration, and when you see them get a breakthrough, 66 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.599 it's really satisfying and rewarding. Yeah. 67 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:20.520 And then that one on one contact too, just like 68 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.599 that the students said you know you're making a difference 69 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.919 with and it's you that's pushing them through like that. 70 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.960 You're the one that makes the rest of it tolerable 71 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:33.719 for them, right. Yeah, that's really cool. Good for you, man. 72 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.479 I'll talk to you more about that on the bonus episode, 73 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.680 you know, the members stuff. And of course, if if 74 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:41.439 anybody wants to hear the bonus stuff, just go to 75 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.400 Bigfoot of Beyond podcast dot com, hit the members click 76 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:46.080 thing of a bob and it'll bring you where you 77 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:46.400 need to go. 78 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:46.599 Then. 79 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:48.560 Of course, I'm sure Matt Protill put that link in 80 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.080 the show notes too. But you've been doing any big 81 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.000 Foot stuff? Anything new interesting going on? 82 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.039 I got off to bluff again just for one night. 83 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:01.280 I was cool, didn't hear anything, but I want to 84 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.479 get up there. Well now that I'm working five days 85 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.240 a week, we got Friday off, trying to get there 86 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.599 Friday before before they close all the roads. It rained 87 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.000 the last couple of days, so it might be closed already, 88 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:13.919 but it hasn't rained that much up there yet. 89 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.360 Oh that's interesting, yeah, because this is the time of 90 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:17.639 year where you kind of have to keep an eye 91 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:19.160 on that because you never know when they're going to 92 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:20.040 shut that gate down. 93 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:22.560 I think they closed it November first, no matter what 94 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:24.000 I think, really. 95 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.000 Is that just for the snow or is that like 96 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.160 port Orford Cedar issues. 97 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:31.720 Port Orfards, Yes, once there's rain. It used to be 98 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:33.439 like I remember when we were logging, we had to 99 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.959 be done by November fifteenth, was the last day you 100 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.560 could be out anywhere, like in certain like Riparian zones 101 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.759 with the cats, the caterpillars. 102 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:45.560 Yeah, the heavy machinery. I was, you can caterpillars, butterflies. 103 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:46.279 What's the problem. 104 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.279 I know there's been a lot of reports flooding in 105 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:52.079 like BFRO and other places, and I've been hearing people saying, 106 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.279 you know, talking about their big fitters and been here 107 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.120 and stuff you know happening you know, of course all 108 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:57.920 through October. 109 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.560 Yeah, October the hunting season. I guess a lot more 110 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.000 people out in the woods and went on too. 111 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:03.199 Yeah. 112 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:04.839 Well, I'm glad things are going on down there. I've 113 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:06.480 been out a few times in the last week or 114 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.399 two since I spoke to you, and it's just not 115 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.079 a lot going on, man, not a lot going on. Well, 116 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.040 I take that back. Actually, I did find a trackway 117 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.439 about two weeks ago, possibly a new individual, possibly the 118 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.720 old one. I'm not sure. I'm not sure because they 119 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.800 were pretty old and they got rained on pretty good. 120 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.959 But it was definitely a trackway. But then I went 121 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.279 out a couple times since then and just nothing else, 122 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.079 nothing else at all. So you know, I'm still going 123 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.519 out there between one and three days a week. Right now, 124 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.199 it's just lovely walks in the woods with nothing really 125 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.519 going on. So it's been a few weeks since anything 126 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:40.839 good is really popped up. But I'm going to keep 127 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:42.560 on going. I'm going to keep on going. I don't 128 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.240 know when I'm going to get to go out this week, 129 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.480 but hopefully maybe as soon as the rain stops. 130 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:52.199 I guess we'll see, right well, Speaking of conservationists and hunters, 131 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:54.959 we got Salt of the Earth coming on the show. 132 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.360 Joined us today a repeat customer I got I just 133 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:02.560 and you everybody love sees just good vibes. Great guy, 134 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.160 does you know use this bigfoot to help educate people 135 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.199 on other wildlife topics and environmental concerns and uses? Is 136 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:12.800 the way to connect with kids and help people out 137 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.399 like sick kids and just one of the best guys'll 138 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.279 ever be through big footing. We got Chester Moore coming 139 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:19.759 on the show today out of Texas. 140 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.279 We definitely wanted to have him back on again when 141 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.800 we heard that he has a new book out and 142 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:26.879 a new podcast, I guess, and I don't know anything 143 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:28.680 about it, so I'm going to be discovering right along 144 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.519 with all the listeners here. So, Chester, thank you so 145 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:33.360 much for coming back on be going to be on 146 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:34.319 with me and that guy. 147 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:36.879 Hey, man, it's great to be here. I appreciate it 148 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:39.360 so much. It's it's a lot of fun. You guys 149 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:44.079 are have such contagious, fun attitude about this and it's 150 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:45.839 just a great place to sit in and talk about 151 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.160 our furry enigma out there in the woods. 152 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.399 That's up, Chester. How's it going, Bud, Glad to have 153 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:51.879 you back. 154 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.439 Yeah, man, it's great to be here, buddy. And you know, 155 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:57.279 I keep up with you guys as much as I can, 156 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.519 So you guys have a lot going on, and so 157 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.480 it's all it is fun to be able to reconnect 158 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.800 kind of on the airwaves and just kind of learn 159 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:05.680 what each other's doing while we're doing it. 160 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:09.040 Yeah, because you had your podcast going, you just started 161 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:10.600 the last time you were on, right. 162 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.319 So I have Dark Outdoors the podcast I've been doing 163 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:15.800 that for two years now. We were debuting the second 164 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.480 season last year on your show. And that's kind of 165 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:22.639 like true crimes, wildlife dangers, and strange encounters in the woods. 166 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.959 But I also have just debuted three days ago a 167 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:31.839 bigfoot YouTube channel called Global Bigfoot, and the idea is 168 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.439 to talk about bigfoot type cryptis from around the world, 169 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.160 mainly centered on North America, but also around the world, 170 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.920 and then to use that as a platform to connect 171 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:43.639 with kids that we might be able to work with 172 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.720 to do the expeditions we do for kids that are 173 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:49.279 facing special challenges. So Global bigfoots up for everyone to 174 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.439 subscribe to, and I have a couple of cool ones up, 175 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:56.720 including talking about a strange specimen I saw at the 176 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:58.920 South Texas State Fair when I was a kid. It 177 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:00.639 was an alleged big foot carcass. 178 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.959 Is that the Minnesota iceman or what's going on with that? 179 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.199 It's as far as I know, it's not one that's 180 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.199 ever really been talked about. And that's also of new 181 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.399 book Bigfoot South. If you gotta like to hear about this, 182 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:12.879 it's a really interesting story. 183 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:13.759 Of course. 184 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.680 Yeah, yeah, so this was I'm pretty sure because I 185 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.879 was young. I'm fifty one, and I'm pretty sure it 186 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:23.800 was an eighty four. It could have been eighty five, 187 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:26.879 eighty four, eighty five at the South Texas State Fair 188 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.959 and it's a really big state fair. And me and 189 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.159 my mom went and we went into the area where 190 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.440 they like have the games, and they're just really big 191 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:38.679 setup with a trailer and it said, is this the 192 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:43.159 body of a real Sasquatch? So for a kid who 193 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.080 like was already obsessed with this stuff, this was like 194 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:49.320 going to Willie Wonka's chocolate factory, you know. Like, and 195 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:52.320 I actually knew about the Minnesota Iceman at the time, 196 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.120 so I thought, maybe it's the Minnesota Iceman, you know. 197 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.799 So we went in there and there was this, you know, 198 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.559 they spend some money on this. In hindsight, it wasn't 199 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.559 just like a you know, like a little thing you 200 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.360 walk by. It was a nice trailer. It had like 201 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.120 big sign print outs of the frame three fifty two 202 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.080 of the Patterson Goodwin film other stuff in there, a 203 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.440 lot of signage, and in a glass case not in ice, 204 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:22.320 but like it was preserved and mounted, was this about 205 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.759 six and a half to seven foot long carcass. And 206 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:30.600 my mom says, I went at least five times that night, 207 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.399 Like I didn't want do games, I kept going back in. 208 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:35.799 I had to look at this thing. And the arm, 209 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:37.879 one of the arms was kind of kind of curled 210 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:40.679 up across the chest a little bit, and the other 211 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.759 arm was kind of straight out, and it had a 212 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.120 really round face and it had deep set eyes. I 213 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:49.559 remember the eyes are real deep set, and the face 214 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.519 was like if I were trying to make a fake Bigfoot, 215 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.159 I probably wouldn't have made it like that. And I 216 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.840 could see teeth in the mouth, and it had obviously 217 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:04.639 male genitalia, and it was really dark brown fur, and 218 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:06.720 I mean we looked at it for a long time. 219 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:08.679 I remember actually getting ran out of there at one 220 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.279 point because more people want to come. I kept going, 221 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.320 oh my god, what am I looking at? But this 222 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.039 was around nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five at a 223 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.360 very big state fair, and they had spent some money 224 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:23.960 on the production of this in terms of the trailer, 225 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:25.960 the signage and whatever was in there. Was it a 226 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.879 real carcass? Was it a fake? I just say this. 227 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.519 Remember when the guys brought the Chewbacca costume and the 228 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:34.720 freezer out like it was a Bigfoot a few years ago, 229 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:37.679 about ten or fifteen years ago, and they went to 230 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:41.320 all the circuits. It looked way better than that. And 231 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:43.200 I'm just trying to put it out there to see 232 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.720 if anyone else remembers seeing this and maybe another event 233 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:49.559 or that event, or has any contacts of anyone who 234 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:50.679 might have been associated with it. 235 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.960 You haven't found any photographs of this, saying, or you're 236 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.080 just barely beginning in the search here, trying to find 237 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:57.120 any word at all. 238 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.240 Yep, yep. I've looked around. There's nothing online, and I 239 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.600 see that matches it. I did talk with someone who 240 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.480 saw the YouTube video up at Global Bigfoot and said 241 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.879 send me a private send me as an email, and 242 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:13.039 said that in the late seventies they saw something that 243 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:17.200 sounded similar at a fair in Dallas. But this is 244 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.720 just really begun, and I'm wanting to find out more 245 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.919 information from people that might have seen something like that 246 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.159 or knows somebody, because I'll tell you this much. I mean, 247 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.200 like all this stuff is a good chance it was 248 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.360 a fake, but it was a well done one. It 249 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.600 wasn't just like Achewbacca costume thrown in some ice, you know, 250 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.799 like we've seen it in a few years back, you know. It. 251 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.120 It was really interesting. It's a big memory for my past. 252 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.000 And it wasn't the Minnesota Iceman. So if anyone has 253 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.039 any info out there, I would love to hear about it. 254 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.480 You can contact me at Chester at chestermore dot com. 255 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.159 Have you talked to anyone that remembers seeing it? 256 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.799 No, no one else right now. Like I said, someone 257 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.200 saw what they said was in a Texas So there 258 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:58.799 was in the late seventies. Apparently there was a bigfoot 259 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.480 carcass going in Texas and it was an affair in Dallas. 260 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.360 I don't know if it's the same one, but I 261 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.519 literally just kind of brought this out to you know, 262 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.240 to formulate and to see if anyone's heard about this. 263 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:12.960 But this was this was definitely in the mid nineteen eighties, 264 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.000 eighty four, eighty five. I'm pretty sure it was eighty four. 265 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.240 And I talked to my mom about it and you know, 266 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.360 getting her memories of it, and she says she remembers 267 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.879 looking at it and going, I just don't know. And 268 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.720 we kind of came up with both talking about it 269 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.279 that it was either pretty good special makeup effects or 270 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:31.679 bad tax at earming. One of the two. 271 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.000 So what other videos have you posted so far on 272 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.279 your new bigfoot YouTube channel. 273 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:41.759 I literally have three videos up, and one of them 274 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.440 is just as a Bear. I filmed it was standing 275 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:46.879 bipedally at our hotel, trying to get in the garbage 276 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.720 can from a distance. I filmed it from a distance 277 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.320 and did a little short saying, do you really think 278 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:52.919 people could think this was a big foot? You know, 279 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.399 because it was bipedal standing up messing with stuff. And 280 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:59.000 then I did one that kicks off my book Bigfoot South, 281 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.879 and it's it's it's a little more in depth detail 282 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.639 of the vocalization encounter that I had that kind of 283 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.000 started my you know, thinking there really might be something 284 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.240 out there, and that was that's a that's from East 285 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.279 Texas here, and it's a really intense vocalization that I've 286 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.720 heard twice in my life. And first time, I had 287 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:20.279 no idea it might have been a bigfoot, didn't know 288 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.120 what it was. My dad convinced me it might have 289 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.039 been a black bear or something. Then I worked around 290 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.519 black bears in college and realized black bear results on 291 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:28.559 anything like that. And then we had an encounter in 292 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.240 two thousand and I realized that was a Bigfoot and Bigfoot's. 293 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.000 Reel and Bigfoot South is the book that you de served, 294 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.240 republished or published for the first time. 295 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:40.519 So I had. What I did was I had my 296 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:43.240 own conferences from two thousand and two, in two thousand 297 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:45.639 to two thousand and five called the Southern Crypto Conference, 298 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.360 and it was all kind of crypto zoology stuff, not 299 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.240 just Bigfoot. And I published one for the first event, 300 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.440 and I just published enough to sell. I sold them 301 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.360 all out like a year and a half, and there's 302 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.679 never been anywhere out there, and it was a short book. 303 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.759 This is about twice the amount of book, a ton 304 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:05.840 of new stuff and a lot of new photos and 305 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:07.919 stuff like that. So it's like a whole new book. 306 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:10.440 But for people that have looked for Bigfoot South, that's 307 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.720 out there. I know Daniel Perez has put it in 308 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.080 his listing of big Foot books and stuff. This is 309 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:17.480 the only version you're going to get, and it's a 310 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.240 whole it's everything from the first version, plus i'd say 311 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:21.360 fifty percent more book. 312 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:23.879 And when was that first version published. 313 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:27.039 Two thousand and two? It was first back in two 314 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.960 thousand and two, so it's been you know, basically off 315 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.559 limits since about three I saw some copies on eBay 316 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.960 one time, going really highlight three hundred bucks. I'm like, dang, 317 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.519 I should have saved pled some back. But we do 318 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.360 have the new and the cool thing about it is 319 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.039 it you know, as the title implies, it is Bigfoot 320 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.639 in the South. You know, it's it's about the Laura 321 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.759 in the South. My own research, some lot of really 322 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:55.919 crazy incidents and reports, and a lot of stuff Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, 323 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.720 the arch attacts where I live, but also stuff in Florida, Mississippi, Tennis, Alabama, 324 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:05.320 North Carolina. And I'm just looking at that entire phenomenon 325 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.759 in the South, which is you guys know, you've been 326 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.080 there a lot. It's really intriguing and has really deep roots. 327 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.039 Now, well, where can people buy this? 328 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.240 They can go to Bigfootsouth dot com or go to 329 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.480 Global Bigfoot dot com. You can find links to get 330 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.159 the book right there and get directly from me. I'm 331 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.720 currently working on an audio version that will be up 332 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:26.759 on the Amazon platform, and in the new year there 333 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.320 will be the Kindle version coming out excellent. 334 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.159 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliffanbogo will 335 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:36.759 be right back after these messages. 336 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.559 I was just looking at your YouTube page. Is that bear? 337 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:47.000 Is that from Tennessee. 338 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.879 Yeah, I filmed that three weeks ago. It was in 339 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:51.519 my hotel. 340 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.279 I was gonna say, that's such Tennessee, like East Tennessee 341 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.360 up there and the Smokies. Those bears are just so bold. 342 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.879 I mean, I'm literally a walk outside, just take a look, 343 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.279 and there's this bear walking toward the hotel. So I 344 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.080 grabbed my camera and I got down there and the 345 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.000 bear was gone, and so I got in the car 346 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:10.080 and drove the block. When I came around the block, 347 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.320 he was standing in the parking lot making a bee 348 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:14.799 line toward the garbage can, and I just kind of 349 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.639 filmed him over there by the garbage can. I'm like, 350 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.000 if people see this, I think it's a bigfoot. I 351 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.879 don't know, but that definitely can't explain the whole big 352 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.720 foot phenomenon. But I'll tell you this much, I'm glad 353 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.159 I didn't walk over to that garbage garbage can and 354 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:28.000 not know he was there. 355 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:30.519 Yeah, it could. It could have fooled someone if it 356 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:32.320 wasn't as good at lighting and like it was, you know, 357 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.960 partially obscured by some brush or something. I could see 358 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:37.720 that could definitely fool if you had squatched in the brain, 359 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.480 that would that could get on get to you. 360 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.480 I think people in Bear country would be like nah. 361 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.360 But people who don't live in traditional bear country, you know, 362 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.919 might think it's a big foot. You know, like most 363 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.879 people in you know states like you know, Iowa and stuff, 364 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.799 aren't really familiar with bears too much and they see 365 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.240 something like that possibly. But you know, it's just something 366 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:02.279 I threw out there because I'm like, here's the bigfoot 367 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.279 guy seeing a bipedle bear fit in at the hotel. 368 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:04.599 You know. 369 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.319 Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because literally this 370 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.000 week in my news feed from Forbes magazine, Forbes magazine 371 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.079 came another news item where it says bigfoot sightings and 372 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:16.880 they even put that in quotation marks. Bigfoot sightings are 373 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:21.200 almost always this animal in disguise, a biologist explains, And 374 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:22.839 of course they were blaming it on the black bear. 375 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.559 And this was a rehashing because just a few years ago, 376 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:30.640 if you remember, there was another pretty widely dispersed, widely 377 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.640 circulated article kind of saying that, yeah, pretty much all 378 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.559 the bigfoot sightings are black bear stuff. And of course 379 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.599 there was a lot of critique that could be heaped 380 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.319 upon that particular article, but this is essentially just a 381 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.079 rehashing of the same thing. And even they even mentioned 382 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:46.200 that article in it, so I think that they didn't 383 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.000 have anything else to write about, so they decided to 384 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.319 do that. But again they show pictures of black bear 385 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.480 standing on their their back feet or whatever. But like 386 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:59.359 clearly like to think that people like who are over 387 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.440 familiar with the woods, who live in bear country and 388 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.039 and you know, have these things around two that say 389 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:09.480 that are almost always this animal and disguise. I think 390 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:12.640 that's a far stretch. And also one other point before 391 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.559 I get your response to that, are your thoughts on 392 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:19.400 this matter. The fact that the title says are almost 393 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.960 always that implies that there are other ones that are 394 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.240 not black bears. So but they don't bother going into 395 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:27.079 that at all. 396 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.680 Of course, Well, you know, it's really interesting because I 397 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.319 always say I pursue this in terms of the writings 398 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.319 and the studies and things as a journalist and also 399 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.440 a fanboy. But is it fanboys journalist? Let's say that right, 400 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:47.160 and all it takes is one report, one encounter to 401 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.319 be real for this to be an actual phenomenon. You know, 402 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.599 it doesn't take thousands one so for them to leave 403 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.759 a caveat there is very interesting. But you know, I 404 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.000 put the bear photo up for fun in the video 405 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.039 into you know, let people engage. Do you think this 406 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:03.960 could be a mistake? Could you mistake this for a bit? 407 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:06.039 I mean, I can see how someone that don't know 408 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:07.839 could if they he had squashed on the brain, like 409 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:12.240 Bobo said, But it's almost like a sarcastic asking I did. 410 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:15.119 Do you really think that this is the entire Bigfoot phenomenon? 411 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.519 I mean, it's crazy. You know, there was video of 412 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:20.559 a black bear that had an injury that was walking 413 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.799 through neighborhoods a few years ago, and he walked by 414 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:26.640 Pedley all the time and it looks really weird, almost 415 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.200 like a guy in a bear costume. So maybe that's 416 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.119 the conspiracy we're out there. It's not really bipedal bears, 417 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:33.880 it's guys in a bear costume. 418 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.680 Well so, yeah, like the controversy, for lack of a 419 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.519 better term, just maybe last year or two or they 420 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:44.960 thought in China they were putting people in bear costumes 421 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.960 and putting them and putting them in the zoo, which 422 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.279 I think is hilarious because they did get caught, actually 423 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.559 that they did get caught painting a type of dog 424 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:57.480 up to be a panda, and that was actually in 425 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.440 the zoo, and I thought that was equally hilarious. But 426 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.839 but yeah, the bears are very anthropomorphic. I think in 427 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:06.119 some ways it's just like they look kind of like 428 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.400 people in some fashions, particularly the sun bear. In this 429 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.400 particular case, it was a sun bear because they have 430 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:15.000 that white marking on the top part of their chest 431 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:16.920 by their neck, which kind of made it look like 432 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.079 that that'd be the place where the people would be 433 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:23.799 for the human inside the costume to look out. But man, yeah, 434 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.519 it's pretty awesome. It's hilarious. But it also shows you 435 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.279 how completely removed from the wild that so many people 436 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.039 have become that they don't know that, you know, that 437 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.519 that's actually what bears look like. That's a real bear, 438 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.160 and they think they just think that it's a person 439 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:39.119 in a suit. You know. 440 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.279 Well, I had a biologist tell me that they thought 441 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:45.839 the majority of bigfoot tracks in the South were faral 442 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:49.200 hog rooting the ground, that that was what people think 443 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.680 it were big foot tracks. And this is like, after 444 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.000 being presented a picture of one that had like dermal 445 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:57.279 ridging and stuff, and I'm like, sometimes the things that 446 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.720 are used to dismiss the big Foot phenomen or more 447 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.759 ridiculous and the more ridiculous side of the big Foot phenomenon. 448 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.599 Yeah, I would totally, one hundred percent agree with that. 449 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:09.559 Yeah. One thing I was looking at your page on 450 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:11.920 like little Bigfoot you had, you had a thing. You 451 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.559 had a little thing on the rock apes of Vietnam. 452 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.440 And I just talked to my friend's dad not too 453 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:21.240 long ago. He's an Army ranger, recon ranger, did a 454 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.759 couple of tours in Noam and his best buddy he 455 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.240 went through like they were high school buddies, and they 456 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.000 joined together and he went he was in a different 457 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.200 ranger outfit, and he was telling him that they actually 458 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:34.799 had some guys get blown up because they'd pull the 459 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.000 pin and throw a grenade and the rock apes should 460 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.519 throw it back, so they had it, they'd have to 461 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:41.720 pull the pin, wait like a few seconds and throw 462 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.279 it so it wouldn't have time. They wouldn't have time 463 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:44.039 to throw it back. 464 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:47.359 Bubo. I'd love to connect with him because what started 465 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.400 me on this growing up, My uncle was my uncle 466 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.680 Jackie passed away a few years back. Was a nom 467 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:55.279 in the Marines in sixty eight sixty nine, which was 468 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.559 forty percent of the casualties of that year. A wild 469 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:01.640 year over there, and grow up in like the Rambo era. 470 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.519 All of us kids ask him every question about the war, 471 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.799 of course, right, and he didn't want to talk about much, 472 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.279 but he would tell us he would just talk about 473 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.759 things they saw over there, and he mentioned rock apes, 474 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:16.640 and growing up, I thought he was talking about some 475 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.640 kind of a like chimp or something that lived over there. 476 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.720 I didn't know. And he ended up telling me his 477 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.359 scariest moment in Nom involved a rock ape. He was 478 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:29.759 set up on an ambush in the mountain country there 479 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.359 and he was the point guy, and they'd been there 480 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.279 for a little while and a rock hits him in 481 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.480 the back and he's thinking, oh my god, you know 482 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.519 the VC's right behind us, are about to blow my 483 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:43.720 head off. Then a rock hits him harder, then another rock, 484 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:46.960 so he swings around, thinking he's about to have to fire. 485 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.480 He said, it wasn't nothing. It was just a big 486 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:50.880 old rock ape sitting there throwing rocks at me, about 487 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:53.519 ten yards behind him. And he said this rock ape, 488 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.640 but so what did it look like? He described it 489 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.400 as being like a guerrilla type animal, you know, kind 490 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.599 of a gorilla type, in a little bit longer hair. 491 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:05.160 And then later on I didn't understand the cryptid connection 492 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:06.680 of this, and I looked it up. I remember in 493 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:09.720 college looking up and they know apes in Vietnam, you know, 494 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:12.680 and realizing that it was a cryptid So to me, 495 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.279 that's fascinating, especially the idea of like someone pulled their 496 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:17.079 pins and they get them thrown back at them, and 497 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:20.559 that's wild. Yeah, I would love to hear more rock 498 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:21.200 ape stuff. 499 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:24.200 And they said his buddy actually blew a couple up 500 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.240 and they saw the bodies and stuff. I don't think. 501 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.960 I don't think he ever saw him, just as good 502 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:29.920 good buddy did. 503 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.039 That's interesting. My uncle had a guy in his unit 504 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:36.920 they nicknamed to this day this guy is called rock 505 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.640 ape because the joke was he was built like a 506 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.599 rock ape. So interesting stuff, man, Yeah, it is. 507 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.920 They must have been. I could only speculate that they 508 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:50.599 must have been a little bit more common back in 509 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:54.960 the day, you know, because I've personally spoken to two 510 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:58.279 or three eyewitnesses. I know my dad ran across an 511 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.599 eyewitness at the gym. Like with this, I used to 512 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.880 like bump into at the gym or something like that, 513 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.799 like he mentioned what I did for a living or 514 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.039 you know what I was up to, and he goes, oh, yeah, 515 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:09.680 I saw one of those in Vietnam. It's like, but 516 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:14.079 the number of stories that come out of Vietnam and 517 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.880 just on accident basically because I'm not looking for bigfoot 518 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:19.119 stories from Vietnam, but like they keep coming my way. 519 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:22.079 They must have just been a little bit more common 520 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:24.319 back in the day because when we went there for 521 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:28.319 finding bigfoot. Yeah, there were witnesses, but what do you remember, 522 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.039 like were there any recent witnesses or were they all 523 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:32.839 like a decade or two old. I can't remember. 524 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:35.279 I think that the most recent we had was like 525 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:36.640 fifteen or twenty years. 526 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:37.640 Wow. 527 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:39.559 Yeah, it makes you kind of wonder, you know, maybe 528 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:41.559 the population dropped there or something, but. 529 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.759 Maybe from the war itself the bombing and. 530 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.039 They got blown up. They got blown up. I mean 531 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.480 there was what like ten million landmines left there when 532 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:50.480 we pulled out. And it was like when I was 533 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.440 in Nicaragua, went up looking for the bigfoots up in 534 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:55.880 the mountains in Nicaragua, they all said, oh, we have 535 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.000 them here. There was a lot of them. And then 536 00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:01.200 until the Concra American or whatever they call it down there. 537 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:04.440 They until that war in the eighties, the Civil war, 538 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:06.759 they said that there were so many land mines that 539 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.720 they would just hear. You still hear they said that 540 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.839 up in the mountains. So this day, animals walking through 541 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.279 the jungle will step on a land mine. You just 542 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.839 share explosion, he was telling us. Back in the in 543 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.680 the eighties, they would hear explosions go off of the 544 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:22.880 middle of the night. They'd go to see if it 545 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:24.960 was like one of their pigs or cattle or something. 546 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.799 That he said that more than once they found blown up, 547 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.119 you know, bigfoot bodies out in the mountains like amongst 548 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:33.720 tons of every other animal out there. 549 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.240 Wow, that's sad. That's I never thought about that though. 550 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.559 And you know something else. For Vietnam would consider it 551 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.440 the agent Orange, you know, which cause a lot of 552 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.559 problems for our troops. I'm sure it had to have 553 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.359 some impact on wildlife too. Oh god, yeah, man, I've 554 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.839 got my wheels turning now. This is the first time 555 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.480 bigfoot landmines, Agent Orange had probably been in a conversation 556 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:57.079 on the podcast. That's pretty cool. 557 00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:59.960 Yeah, well, you know we're we pushed the boundaries here. 558 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.279 To make a YouTube channel called Global Bigfoot, you must 559 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.480 have a vision in mind, like a goal worldwide, relic, 560 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:09.799 homonoid sort of situation. 561 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:10.160 Is that? 562 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.839 Is that what you're going for with your YouTube channel? 563 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.119 Yeah, in a certain way, so definitely, you know, it'll 564 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:19.799 be mainly North America, but it'll my goal is to 565 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.519 put about at least thirty percent of the content will 566 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.000 be you know, cryptid type critters like that from around 567 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.839 the world where the it's the system heighte like you 568 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.079 might have been talking about there in El Salvador wherever 569 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.960 you were, or you know, the Dwindy or the Yali, 570 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.279 the Yetti, the Almus. You know, I love that stuff. 571 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:39.799 And the other part of it is also the global 572 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.920 nature of the Bigfoot fan base. To reach people who 573 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.559 are interested in this stuff with a positive message of 574 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.279 conservation and connect with kids around the globe that are 575 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.200 into it. What inspired that was something that happened to 576 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.839 me way back in two thousand and five. So I 577 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.960 had signed a deal to do a hunting and fishing 578 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.720 DVD of my good friend Eric Adams. He's a singer 579 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.000 for the metal band man Awar, good friend of mine 580 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.240 to this day. And I did this hunting and fishing 581 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.160 DVD called Wildlife and Wild Times, and I was invited 582 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.799 to go to Germany and speak on it at their 583 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.640 fan convention for a week in Germany. And I arrived 584 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:17.440 there and it's time for me to go to my 585 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.279 room where I'm gonna be doing the seminar on this 586 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.000 particular first day. And there's this young man in Israeli 587 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.000 military fatigues waiting on me in the room. He goes, 588 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.359 Chester Moore. He goes, I'm from the Israeli Air Force 589 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.160 and I'm on a break and I came to Germany 590 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.319 to meet you and talk about bigfoot. I was like, WHOA, 591 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.839 So there's a global nature of this, and I think 592 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.279 taking the Bigfoot phenomenon out there around the world where people, 593 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.960 you know, we maybe we'll get more reports through this 594 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.799 of the rock apes or more Yetti or Yawi, but 595 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:54.559 also unite people interested in this phenomenon to get involved, 596 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.400 get out in nature, and to support things that help kids, 597 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.759 and also to really look at the You mentioned these 598 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.240 these things like I never thought about land mines and 599 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.279 things like that, things that could be harming nature and 600 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.359 maybe find a way to say, hey, we would like 601 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.000 to prove some of this stuff exist before it's gone, 602 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.920 and maybe do some right things for a wildlife in 603 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.960 our habitat. It's really kind of the vision of global Bigfoot. 604 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.680 That's great that you're branching out beyond just reallytommonoids as well. 605 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:25.759 Descriptive is in general from worldwide stuff because and again 606 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.759 my focus is always Bigfoot. I'm I'm just kind of 607 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:30.279 a one trick pony here, but I find that if 608 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.559 you can do something to help sasquatches and anyway, it 609 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.440 helps everything else. Years and years ago, I don't know 610 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.480 if I mentioned this on our first interview, I came 611 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.039 up with this little idea of conservation before discovery. You know, 612 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.480 we're what we what we can be doing at this 613 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.279 one because people say, well, what are we doing to 614 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.240 harm sasquatches? Are we driving them extinct? And the answer is, 615 00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.039 we don't know. We just really don't know at this point. 616 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.359 We all have our ideas, but there's really no strong 617 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:59.880 evidence either way, honestly. But but what you can do 618 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.519 is protect the land on which sasquatches live, and the 619 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:08.079 more people are interacting with wild lands here in North America, 620 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.920 which were so blessed to have so much of the 621 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:13.319 better it's going to be for the wild lands and 622 00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.319 therefore all the animals, including ourselves. 623 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.039 Yeah, if you look at a place like Germany, right, 624 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.880 and you know there was a black forest or some 625 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.359 mountains and all that stuff there, but it is way 626 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:28.160 more developed in America, and you know, like America, that 627 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.319 stuff's growing all the time. So maybe getting people in 628 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.759 their own nations respectively to look at that wild land 629 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:35.559 at a different way through the big Foot phenomena, and 630 00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.240 then soliciting reports and kind of creating community out there 631 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.799 about this, you know, and this is fun stuff, Like 632 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.599 I might have said this last time, but always kind 633 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:44.640 of at the end of the day, look at this 634 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.519 like Scooby Doo. We're riding around the myss machine. We're 635 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.480 looking for some monster and one day, hopefully we're going 636 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.400 to go try to pull the mask off of old 637 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.720 mister Johnson and it won't come off because they'y in 638 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.839 a mask classy. I mean, that's kind of the way 639 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.160 I look at this. It's fun, a fun element of this, 640 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.240 but also the very important part about conserving land and 641 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.039 also you know, Cliff and Bobo. What don't you say 642 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.920 that just take Bigfoot on the equation. Wouldn't you say 643 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.160 that you guys' lives have been enhanced by being out 644 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:12.960 of nature so much? 645 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.680 Oh yeah, one percent. That's why I feel bad for 646 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.319 people that, like on the West Coast, were so spoiled. 647 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.599 There's so much public land, there's so much National forest 648 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.039 and bill m that we could just go romp and 649 00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.759 camp and go wherever, do whatever we want, and you 650 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.440 get back into it. Like Texas and other places, there's 651 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.160 just not They don't have that chances get out and 652 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.480 go in big wild spaces like very many places. 653 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:39.960 Now you're right about that. I mean I live in 654 00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.359 the part of the state that has the most public land, 655 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.880 which is the eastern part, and it's nothing compared even 656 00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:48.359 what the biggest area of public land of ours is, 657 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.359 like nothing compared to what's out west, you know. So 658 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.240 you're right and getting out and connected with nature and 659 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.319 having fun and solving maybe solving these mysteries one day 660 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.359 and getting your family involved. And you know, we work 661 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.079 with kids facing special challenges in our in our in 662 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.559 our christ centered ministry, but it's all about trying to 663 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.599 get kids that you know, they might want to have 664 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.279 a big Foot dream come true to go out and 665 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.759 do an expedition and which we've been blessed to do 666 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.599 in you know, Texas and Arkansas and all over the place, 667 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.559 and it's just a fun topic. But you know that's 668 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.599 if it's not fun, there's no point for me. And 669 00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:22.680 it's got to have a fun element. There's also that 670 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.599 conservation side and the research and all of that. And 671 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.880 you know, there's nothing like sitting around a campfire us 672 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:29.880 some people and then some guy who's always thought this 673 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.039 was like a BS topic on the surface tell us 674 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.400 you about something strange he saw on the hunting trip. 675 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.240 You know, that's that's what makes it fun. 676 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.279 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 677 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:52.039 Bogo will be right back after these messages. It's so 678 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.519 nice when one's personal interests and one's own source of 679 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.160 curiosity perhaps you know, the focus that they love to 680 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.759 do can not only obviously doing what you love is 681 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.200 good for oneself, right, but when you can tie that 682 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.200 into your passion, your love in life being good for 683 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.240 other people, and on top of that, beyond the people, 684 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.359 because I'm not really a people person, so yes, it's 685 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:20.160 fine to help other people. I think it's important. I 686 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.799 think it's good, it's good for the soul, et cetera. 687 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:26.599 But to help the aquarium in which we live, because 688 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.319 we are so far removed from nature in so many ways, 689 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.359 in so many ways, and people so far so that 690 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.000 people don't even realize that we are. We are part 691 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.720 of that nature, you know, like we're not looking down 692 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.480 upon it and trying to manage it. We we don't try 693 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.400 to manage anything, but we're not looking down upon it 694 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.640 as something separate. We are actually part of it. And 695 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.279 what we do to help our other furry friends or 696 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.000 reptilian friends or fishy friends or any other kind of 697 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.079 wildlife by protecting them and enhancing and protecting their habitat 698 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.079 does us good as well. We don't see ourselves as 699 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:05.000 part of the system anymore, so, whenever our love can 700 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.240 bleed over and benefit everything the planet of which we 701 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.240 are part of. We are not from the earth. We 702 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.880 are of the earth, you know. And I think that 703 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.680 you're doing God's work there. So kudos to you, man. 704 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:18.960 Well, I appreciate it, you know. Me and my buddy 705 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.200 Paul Fazienski, he does the wild man of the Woods 706 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.720 Channel and I narrate some of his big Foot videos 707 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:26.839 and he's all about the North American model of wildlife conservation. 708 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.920 And I grew up learning that. You know, we killed 709 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:31.440 a lot of stuff that was on our dinner plate, 710 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:34.599 deer hogs growing up, ducks, and a lot of fish 711 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.400 we were childs. We were so poor we pretty much 712 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.839 ate fish all summer that we went and caught growing up. 713 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.160 So I knew that if I wanted to have a 714 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.960 healthy fish that I couldn't. There were streams locally we 715 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:48.799 couldn't because we're an industry. We couldn't eat out of 716 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.559 because it was polluted. So I learned water pollution bad. 717 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.119 We got to have fish and game regulations to manage 718 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.359 harvests and things like that, and then you got to 719 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.799 have wild spaces and all that somehow got mixed around 720 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.319 in little Chester Moore's brain, and here we are, for good, 721 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.679 bad or ugly. This is what we do. 722 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.880 You live in Texas, I can totally understand why most 723 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.440 of the focus of global big put it's going to 724 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.039 be in North America, because you know, you live in 725 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.360 North America. It's easier to get to it's you know, 726 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.039 it's right there. We're all here. Have you had the 727 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.079 opportunity to travel abroad to any of these other places 728 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.559 or and if not, or if so, what is your 729 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.639 experience in these other locations? It is it booksmarts or 730 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:31.639 is it hands on stuff? 731 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.519 It's book smarts. In terms of other nations, I've done 732 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.440 other countries with wildlife. I've been to Venezuela, I've in 733 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.880 New Mexico, Canada. I've been to Spain doing a thing 734 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.880 with giant catfish. They're kind of a cryptid deal. And 735 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.400 I've been to Germany. But I've never been and went 736 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.159 and looked for ayale, which you know, that would be epic, 737 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.039 you know, Or like my friend Todd Jurassic who went 738 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.760 down to New Guinea looking for reptile cryptids and ran 739 00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.519 across some you know, he was taking flash cards to 740 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.280 tribal people and they're all pointed a big foot looking creature. 741 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:04.360 You know. I've never been able to do that stuff. 742 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.159 But what I've done is i have a lot of 743 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.119 wildlife contacts around the world, and I'm kind of using 744 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.440 that to ask them if they know unusual reports and 745 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.480 things like that, And that's where a lot of that's 746 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.440 going to filter through. And then I'm gonna do a 747 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.559 thing once a month what's gonna be called retro Bigfoot Media, 748 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.360 and I'm going to take some of these old forgotten 749 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.559 books and old videos and stuff and kind of do 750 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:28.920 commentary on some of it and talk about some of 751 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.119 those reports that come out of Russia and come out 752 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.440 of DePaul in places like India and things like that, 753 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.960 because to me, that's really fascinating. If anything, that almost 754 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:42.079 strengthens our argument of these things existing is that they're 755 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.719 in similar places around the world. And what I really 756 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.440 hope to get is a lot of other reports which 757 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.480 will come in. I guarantee you there's going to be 758 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.960 reports come in and you'll see about it on the 759 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.159 channel and get to share my friends like you guys 760 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.119 out there, And I just want to take a minute 761 00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:01.360 to give you to kudos, because I mean, it's hard 762 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.039 to see the forest for the trees and you guys 763 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.320 being in the Finding Bigfoot world for so long and 764 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.800 doing so much. The positive that you portrayed and that 765 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.800 you exude through all the investigations really turned on a 766 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.079 lot of people that didn't grow up with a shotgun 767 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.920 in their hand or roden reel, but they wanted to 768 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.440 go to nature, and you gave them a pathway to 769 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.840 do that because you're just being you out there. And 770 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.159 I talked to the kids that are like, worship what 771 00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.639 you guys did. So thank you for the positive mark 772 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.760 you made on a lot of youth in America during 773 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.920 that run in particular, and for I believe what you 774 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.480 did was you let people know they can take part 775 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.639 in this mystery as well, and I salute you for that. 776 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.400 Yeah, thank It's very kind of you. Well, I mean, 777 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.480 I think that we all kind of carry that with 778 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.199 us to some degree, at least on the Finding Bigfoot show, 779 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.639 just because we all grew up watching the seventies documentaries 780 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.239 and we knew there was like a little Cliff and 781 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.280 a Bobito out there somewhere watching us, you know, and 782 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.880 we knew that there was a certain level of responsibility 783 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.440 that also I think went with that, you know, to 784 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.159 represent the subject appropriately and you know that, to have 785 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.880 fun but not be too over the top ridiculous about 786 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.960 things and just invite people onto along with us on 787 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.039 our adventure for that week, you know. So, And I 788 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.239 guess that's probably still going on, I guess to a 789 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.920 lot of to some degree, at least, so. 790 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.840 Well, what's crazy to me is like, somebody messaged me 791 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:26.639 last night, I watched you on Animal X. I was like, 792 00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.599 I filmed that in two thousand and five. They're still 793 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:29.360 airing that thing. 794 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:32.800 On the internet. 795 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.239 Yep. Well I was on Animal X and I'm still 796 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.360 friends with Natalie Schmidt to this day, doctor Natalie Schmidt, 797 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.760 who was the co host of that thing. So that's 798 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.400 one of the great things, all the people you connect 799 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.000 with and all this stuff. But once again, Global guys 800 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.239 were from Australia and there is a funny story in 801 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.719 Bigfoot South about our encounter out in the Big Thicket 802 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.400 with those guys and that film crew from. 803 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.599 Australia Animal X. That was the same show that what 804 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.440 happened to be on the expedition with the Skooka recovery. Yep. 805 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.360 I sat around the campfire with Daniel Searle from Animal Legs. 806 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.920 I didn't know that the Scukum cast was connected with that, 807 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.000 and you know, they told us about that, and so 808 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.559 that was that was super interesting to hear about that stuff. 809 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.039 You know, as we're in the Big Thicket of you know, 810 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:18.920 East Texas where there's a lot of this lore and 811 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:23.079 on the way into this location. We were hiking into camp, 812 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.039 me and my friend Chris, who was also on the show. 813 00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:27.599 She and I walked to the top of the hill 814 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.079 because it was at the time the only place she 815 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.519 gets sell signal. In there. I'm talking to my wife 816 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.880 Lisa and the Ohio primate. Yell starts. This is about 817 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.039 five o'clock in the afternoon. It loud as you can imagine, 818 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:44.519 and my wife goes, is that bigfoot? I said yes, 819 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:46.880 and she listens and I howled back and it and 820 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.719 it howled back twice as loud. And when we went 821 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.760 back to the crew, they thought I did it. They 822 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:55.519 thought I was like messing with them. I said, no, 823 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:57.800 I did the second call, but the first and third 824 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.360 worse something else, and I'll never forget. Me and Natalie 825 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.440 Schmidt are on this little there's a there's a lake, 826 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.719 small lake in there, and we had a thermal unit 827 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:08.199 and she and I was our shift to kind of 828 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:11.320 keep each other awake, talking and watch the thermal camera. 829 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:17.760 And the yell happened. She goes, chester it wasn't you, 830 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.920 you know, and it was. It kind of freaked her out, 831 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.039 but it was really cool. It was a fun experience. 832 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.000 And there was some stuff that definitely happened out there, 833 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.800 and that that Big Thicket National Preserve and some of 834 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.880 those areas in there have a ton of reports over 835 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:31.760 the years and a lot of sightings, a lot of 836 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.239 tracks found, and things like that. 837 00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.880 I love it, Chester, that wasn't you, Like you didn't know? 838 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.480 Yeah, I was like, I'm pretty well aware it wasn't me, 839 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.320 you know, but it was just that moment. I'll never 840 00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:45.199 get Chester, it wasn't you. So uh, it was like 841 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:46.920 it was like a coming. It was like a real 842 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.000 moment of like I'm standing in the woods and it 843 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.760 wasn't the guy standing next to me making that creepy sound. 844 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.960 So now what was that? You know? So that was fun. 845 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.320 That's the best when a family member gets uh gets 846 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:01.559 baptized by fire. 847 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.880 Yep. Absolutely, And then there was a lot of things 848 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.079 that happened on that episode. I mean, we walked out 849 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.599 to the place that we were set up is a 850 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:12.960 dead end, and you know, you have to hike through 851 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.599 six or seven miles of swamp and woods to get 852 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.960 even to a road from unless you go, you know, 853 00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.239 there's there's no other way out than the one road. 854 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.239 So we left camp and drove about two miles up 855 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.880 to this one point to do some call blasting, and 856 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.840 nothing happened. We came back. It was the There was 857 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.480 about six or seven limbs broken on the way to 858 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.800 our campsite, like right in a row, in a small tree, 859 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.599 pushed in the middle of the trail. It was wild 860 00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.280 and so that set the tone for a very interesting night. 861 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.199 And I'm not a lot of sleep for everybody, I 862 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:46.960 don't think, you know. 863 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:49.960 So fortuitous you had a film crew along with you. 864 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.880 It was, well, here's what was interesting. The last this 865 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.519 is the last night. We told them big film crew 866 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.840 to leave, so Daniel and Natalie only had handhelds and 867 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.199 that's when the action happened. 868 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:03.760 Of course, always feels like that. 869 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.840 Yep, because you know, I don't we don't. We don't 870 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.599 need a bunch of lights and this and then this. 871 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.360 Let's just do this hang out here they have little 872 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.960 handhelds and we got that. Of course, the next day 873 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.719 they went back and filmed that stuff. Uh, you know, 874 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.960 during the daylight with the film crew and all that. 875 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:19.800 But it was fun, it was it was It was 876 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.880 an interesting It was an interesting time. Usually you film stuff, 877 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.360 you guys know, and nothing hardly happens, but that worked out. 878 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:28.199 That was a good filming and the crew were really 879 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:28.920 nice and fun. 880 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:35.480 So your podcast Dark Outdoors, is that correct? Yes, sir, okay, 881 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.880 you focus on wildlife stuff and true crime. Is it 882 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.760 is it a combination of the two or is it 883 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:43.360 this or that? 884 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.679 No, what it is, it's it's the dangerous side. So, 885 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:48.639 like my intro to the show says, you know, we 886 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.280 love the outdoors for the peace and solitude, but sometimes 887 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:55.440 the outdoor experience goes dark. And so it's true crime 888 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.880 that happens to people in the outdoors. It is animal attacks, 889 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.079 and it's range encounters and kind of it's a marriage 890 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.559 of all the stuff that's kind of interests me. And 891 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.519 it's you know, it started with me twenty years ago 892 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.199 in the in the Emerald Triangle up there, you know, 893 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.159 in Humboldt, Counting getting ran off the top of a 894 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:17.599 mountain by drug runners. Me and my dad, I'm almost 895 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.079 they were trying to push us off the mountain. 896 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:19.280 It was. 897 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.400 It was the wildest expense I've ever had in my 898 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.760 life with anything. The Forest Service we called them and said, 899 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.400 you're lucky, you're alive. I'm like duh, and I kept 900 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.800 running into and talking to people that had different criminal 901 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.039 base type encounters of people in the wild, and so 902 00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.400 I decided to do a radio show, My More Outdoors 903 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:35.960 radio show. 904 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:36.239 One night. 905 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.079 They didn't have a topic that night, so I told 906 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.960 that story Have you ever had anything like that happen? 907 00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:43.440 And I couldn't take all the calls people had all 908 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.079 kind of crazy stuff happened like that. So you get 909 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.199 into the animal dangers, whether it's feral hogs. We just 910 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.920 had a grizzly attack show, an awesome Grizzly attack show 911 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.920 on Dark Outdoors. And then you take strange encounters. That's 912 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.119 kind of like about twenty percent of my shows. It 913 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.159 might be a big foot, you'll have Lyle Blackburn. I'm 914 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.239 talking about the Lake Worth monster right now on the 915 00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.639 current episode of this week. And so just the dark 916 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.840 side of the outdoors, you know, the side of the outdoors. 917 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.880 It's either mysterious or dangerous. That's what Dark Outdoors is about. 918 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:13.880 Does that sort of thing haunt you when you're out 919 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.719 in the woods, like thinking back, like, oh man, I 920 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.079 shouldn't be here because that one dude or one gal 921 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:20.199 that I had on my podcast, because you know, I 922 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.639 didn't see I did. I purposefully did not watch blair 923 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.440 Witch The blair Witch Project for like a decade or two. 924 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.199 And I also don't read David Polidi's books because my 925 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.360 Mountain the Woods a lot alone. 926 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.840 You know, No, I get it. You know, Wow, it's 927 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.320 a really great question, Cliff. I have spots I won't 928 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.800 go to. I have spots that I just say, Nope, 929 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.079 ain't worth it because of what I've been told. And 930 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.719 there are moments out there where you think, you know, 931 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.119 this might not be the smartest thing I've ever done, 932 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.760 you know, like the cause of what you know and 933 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.039 some guests has told you what you've encountered before. But 934 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:54.519 I do have a couple places I just won't go 935 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.079 and it does kind of haunt you a little bit. 936 00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:01.599 But it's about raising awareness and because you know, people do. 937 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.360 The first episode I ever did was with Steven Michauw, 938 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:06.440 the guy who set across from Ted Bundy at Anybody 939 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.880 for six months because a lot of people don't know. 940 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.400 Bundy took a lot of women into the National Force, 941 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.400 and it just let us realize that there are bad 942 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.920 people out there, and I want the good people to 943 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.039 come home, you know what I mean? If the ted 944 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.119 stay in the wood, the pile of blood. That's okay, 945 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.159 but I want the families to come home. And most 946 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.000 people are out there for non dangerous things, but there 947 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.599 are bad situations. I mean the drug industry in the woods. 948 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.599 There's all kind of bizarro stuff. I mean missing people, 949 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:40.599 And so I have each show, I have a missing 950 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.400 person that's recently missing in the wild, trying to raise 951 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.599 awareness of that. I also have a defense segment, and 952 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:48.880 it's it's sometimes it's really simple stuff like I call 953 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:52.119 strategic parking. When I go to a location, I always 954 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.760 park the direction I'm going to leave the location, so 955 00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:57.920 I don't have to turn around the last minute, you know, 956 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.599 like I'm getting chased by some psycho, you know, watching 957 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.039 US slasher movies in the eighties, realize that Jason's going 958 00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:04.920 to kill you while you're stuck in the mud backing up. 959 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.360 You know, we're not going to have that happen, you know, 960 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.360 So or it might be the right if you can 961 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.039 carry a weapon and where it's legal, how to how 962 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.840 to prepare for that, or using bear spray or just 963 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.840 thinking positive ways to stay safe out there. 964 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.800 Yeah, it's the first thing to teaching. Well, there's safety 965 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:22.960 is have your vehicle pointed the way you're going to leave. 966 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.840 That makes sense, man, I mean I did it because 967 00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.679 of the location. I told you, with film with animal legs, 968 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:31.440 it's a dead end and it is a nightmare to 969 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.639 turn around in there. So always make sure and got 970 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.239 it go in the right direction. And that's that's a 971 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.400 that's a good thing. But you know, the response from 972 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.280 this show has been like wild. I mean, I have 973 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.320 gotten a lot of good show leads. I've had people 974 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.199 tell me they're they're they're preparing differently. You know, they're 975 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.079 looking at the woods differently, and they're wanting to go 976 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.119 out there and be safe with their families and stuff 977 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.480 like that. So that's that's that's a real fun thing 978 00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.679 for me. And it's interesting to investigate this stuff too. 979 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.159 You know, this was an organic show. It just kind 980 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.719 of things happened to me, and then I saw how 981 00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.480 much happen to other people. I said, I better put 982 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.480 a media platform for that. So there's a Dark Outdoors 983 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:10.519 book coming out next year. I'm pretty excited about that, 984 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.679 and so that's gonna be fun. I'm gonna beinge hard well. 985 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:16.519 I appreciate that. 986 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:16.679 Man. 987 00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.280 It's available on every podcasting platform, and it's a lot 988 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.960 of fun. And what's interesting about this last year is, 989 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.320 you know, I did some strange encounter stuff and I 990 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:32.559 have an episode up about some potential lost tribe people 991 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.800 that hunters and prospectors in the sixties, seventies and eighties 992 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.079 encountered in Texas and is the strangest story I've ever had, 993 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.039 but I'm actually getting reports of it. So you got that. 994 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:47.360 Then you got episodes about certain national forest where you 995 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:49.840 have all this dangerous stuff happening. So it's a variety, 996 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.119 but it also all has that thread of like either 997 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.920 I'm about to die or holy crap, that scares of 998 00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:57.719 craft of me? What did I see? That's really what 999 00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:58.760 Dark Outdoor is about. 1000 00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:00.000 So it's a feel good show. 1001 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:03.320 It's a real feel good show. From Ted Bundy to 1002 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.719 ravaging Cannibals. You never know what you're gonna have on 1003 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:07.559 Dark out Doors. 1004 00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.360 You know, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with 1005 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.199 Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages. 1006 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.000 That last tribe, that's a really interesting one. They kind 1007 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.920 of like break off of the Apache, right, So. 1008 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.360 This is a guy named Rob Riggs wrote an interesting 1009 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.800 big Foot book called on a trail of the wild Man. 1010 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.679 And Rob was a friend of mine. He was local 1011 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:37.440 to me. He lived like forty five minutes from me, 1012 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:43.480 and he mentioned in his book about these people in 1013 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.239 the sixties seventies, I believe, up into the eighties that 1014 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.199 reported running into in the Lower Trinity River Old River 1015 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.800 basin all the way up into the Big Thicket of 1016 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:56.760 what they described as Indians and someone getting shot at 1017 00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:00.280 with a primitive bow. And they were like six or 1018 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.239 seven reports. And this came because my good buddy Layle 1019 00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.039 Blackburn asked if i'd ever read that book, and he'd 1020 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.119 had some kind of interesting report on it. And so 1021 00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:10.199 I thought, I'm gonna do a show and read the 1022 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.599 excerpts from Rob's book and throw it out there. Is 1023 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:18.679 it possible and maybe up until that time or maybe today, 1024 00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:20.960 I don't know, or could there have been people who 1025 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.480 were wanting to go back and live a primitive lifestyle 1026 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.639 back then? You know, could have been something like that 1027 00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:28.840 that they ran into. And then the episode airs and 1028 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.800 I get a report, a very long detail one from 1029 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.119 a guy whose father was the sheriff of an area 1030 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.559 and went out to investigate one of these reports. And 1031 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.280 when he was a kid. He saw the evidence photo 1032 00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:43.880 of the arrow that was fired at one of the hunters. 1033 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.920 So interesting stuff, Like I said, is it, you know true? 1034 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.360 Is it something that where people went back, like in 1035 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.039 the sixties and want to go back and live a 1036 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.000 primitive lifestyle or could they have been a few survivors 1037 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.960 in this one area. I don't know, but I'll give 1038 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.719 you this. If I saw some brothers dress locked that 1039 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.320 out in the woods and the dark woods in the 1040 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:05.079 middle of the night, they would scare the you know 1041 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:06.320 what out of me, you know what I mean, I 1042 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.679 wouldn't I'd feel like I stepped into some kind of 1043 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:10.880 time portal ended up back in the early eighteen hundred 1044 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.320 or something. That would be weird. But I thought that 1045 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.159 was a fun, interesting show to do. 1046 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.440 The person I've read they made a real compelling argument 1047 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:22.480 that they were remnants of from the whole like rating 1048 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:24.840 back and forth, like the command she's chasing the apaches 1049 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.119 down south, you know, out of out of Arizona up 1050 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:31.119 there in New Mexico and Texas area and pushing him 1051 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.159 down in New Mexico, and that they were survivors of that, 1052 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.320 and they they never had like a treaty like they 1053 00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.639 never had a peace treaty, and they would kind of 1054 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.119 rob herders, you know, like shepherds and stuff like that. 1055 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.039 They it was fascinating though. I was like, wow, that 1056 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:48.599 really went on all the way up until like, yeah, 1057 00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:50.119 I think like the nineteen seventies. 1058 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.039 Well it was in the tribe that on the one side, 1059 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.400 the southern part of this was he kind of connected 1060 00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:02.639 with the Corankawas, who like kind of like you said, 1061 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.960 they just disappeared. They just went. There was no record 1062 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.840 of them dying off. It's just like off the grid, 1063 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:12.599 you know. So and I've heard that other things that 1064 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.079 people being pushed down, and there's a lot of interesting 1065 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.639 stuff out there related to this, but I had I 1066 00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:20.280 thought I would throw that one. It's kind of a 1067 00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.480 fun one out there, and it's been it's been, it's 1068 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.800 been responded to really well, and I love that kind 1069 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:26.960 of stuff. It's so interesting, you know. And that came 1070 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.280 from my buddy Lyle asking if I had read the book, 1071 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:30.760 and I'm like, I hadn't read it in twenty years, 1072 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.039 but I'll go back and look at it again. And 1073 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:33.400 I was like, oh, I was blown away. 1074 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.400 Yeah, that one's great because the mystery of it the spookiness, 1075 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:41.960 the mystery, the the it's it's not outlandish that such 1076 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.519 a thing could happen, although it is unusual. But tell 1077 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.039 me about this grizzly attack thing, because that is one 1078 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.559 of my biggest thing. I don't like the camp where 1079 00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:51.719 grizzly bears are, and that the grizzly bears are a 1080 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:52.280 thing for me. 1081 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:56.559 Yeah, I got it. So I grew up reading sports 1082 00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:59.119 and Field outdoor life. You know, field and stream they're 1083 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.199 full of grizzlies. To my dad used to read me. 1084 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.159 He loved the grizzly stories, but he always said, I 1085 00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.039 will never go and hunt in a state that has grizzlies. Right, 1086 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.920 he was scared of grisly. I've been all over some 1087 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:10.880 of the grizzly areas, but I don't like to camp 1088 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:16.480 in grizzly areas. And I met Ben Virtule and his wife, Amanda, 1089 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.800 is the head of the of a facility that I've 1090 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.079 been to in Wyoming a couple of times, and he, 1091 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.960 you know, I was talking about dark outdoors to him. 1092 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:25.760 He said, I need to share my grizzly story because 1093 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.800 I've never told it publicly. And man, he was out, 1094 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.679 this is this happened twenty years ago. He's never shared 1095 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:38.559 it publicly. And he has this crazy grizzly encounter day 1096 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:41.639 one of a hunt in the area. He said it 1097 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:46.440 is probably in a linear miles you know, fifty miles 1098 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.639 from a town, so as far you know, way out 1099 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:52.880 at the time, and this grizzly they get it to leave. 1100 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.760 It finally backs off and the grizzly had a yellow 1101 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.920 tag in its ear. It's left ear, so they've been 1102 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.280 captured before they crossed. All these creeks go back in 1103 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:04.960 this elk hunting area and they have all kinds of 1104 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:08.239 other crazy including a forest fire thing happened that was wild. 1105 00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:11.000 They had to put out. It was crazy. And he 1106 00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.760 kills this big elk and he's he gets down to 1107 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.599 the carcass of the elk. He's starting to get the 1108 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.840 meat off of it to pack up, and he hears 1109 00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:21.360 rocks behind him. He's thinking, man, that's really weird. I 1110 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:23.280 can't believe more elk will be coming down in this 1111 00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.840 valley after our shot. And he looks around. It's a 1112 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:29.360 sal grizzly and her two cups. So he goes, oh, no, 1113 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.000 this ain't good because I'll have to kill all three 1114 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.239 of them that they come at me. So he decided 1115 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:36.880 to take as much meat as he could, and he 1116 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.880 already had the skin and the horns on his backpack 1117 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.039 and packed it in. Was going to get out of 1118 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.119 this spot and then come back the next morning see 1119 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.519 if there was anything left of the elk, because he couldn't. 1120 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:49.440 You know, it's either kill the bears or whatever. So 1121 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.119 he gets down, he gets down, he's head, he's half 1122 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.039 mile from camp, and he said, something hit him so hard. 1123 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.440 He literally knocked him about ten feet in the air 1124 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.000 and knocked him so well. Hi, he had time to 1125 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:03.800 click the safety off his gun and fire, and then 1126 00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.119 he gets the ground and then a grizzly comes and 1127 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.800 knocks him off this ledge to about ten feet down 1128 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:11.119 in this creek. And then the grizzly is on top 1129 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:16.239 of him. And it was a wild story. And he said, 1130 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.400 absolutely the grizzly thought he was an elk. But here's 1131 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:23.880 the crazy part. Eight days earlier, that was the same grizzly, 1132 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.960 probably seven or eight miles away that he ran away 1133 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:28.920 from another spot. It was a one with a tag 1134 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.760 in his ear, and it came back and got him. Yeah, 1135 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:33.840 it's a great story. He's a great storyteller, but what 1136 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.079 they went through in that hunt, and by the way, 1137 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.280 this guy is tougher than leather, the stories he told 1138 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.440 about the recovery and all that stuff, because he ended 1139 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:45.159 up being not so bad of shape like he could 1140 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:48.280 have been. But it was a horrifying story. And you know, 1141 00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.239 he tells people about, you know, some things to do 1142 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.119 in bear country and stuff like that, but it was 1143 00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.800 you know, I'm with you, Cliff, I'm not big on 1144 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.000 camping in grizzly country. 1145 00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.559 I have Campton. I went backpacking in Yellowstone one time 1146 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.320 with my first wife, Monica, and we were camping out 1147 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.239 there just for like two nights or something like that, 1148 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.239 if I remember right, and I remember it was on 1149 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.880 the second day or maybe the walk out on the walk, 1150 00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.079 we noticed that just three hundred yards from where we're 1151 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.960 camping are the remnants of an elk carcass. And I sinking, oh, 1152 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.360 I wish, yeah, we should never have camped here. This 1153 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.960 is but I mean, and of course we got out. 1154 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.519 Everything's fine. And it was actually the next morning that 1155 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:29.480 I saw a grizzly bear for the first time with 1156 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.239 my own eyes. And this is back, you know, way 1157 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:33.719 back in like ninety seven or six or something like that. 1158 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:34.760 Was it on the carcass? 1159 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.519 No, No, it wasn't. Actually, we had hiked out and 1160 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:39.360 got back late enough that we had to spend the 1161 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.119 night in one of those backpackers camp sites and campgrounds, 1162 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.639 you know, like on the fringe of the drive in 1163 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:48.119 tourist ones. And it was we got a site there, 1164 00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:50.679 which was probably unheard of nowadays in Yellowstone, I think, 1165 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.719 to get a site just you know, on the same day. 1166 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:56.360 But I remember we got up in the morning, got 1167 00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:58.719 out of the tent, and we're next to a meadow 1168 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.199 and and I saw out. I looked out in the meadow. 1169 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:04.760 I stretched and it was like a shark fin out 1170 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.280 at a yellow tan shark fin out in the meadow, 1171 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.280 just going through like all it's all I could see 1172 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:14.840 was the hump of the grizzly bear kind of running 1173 00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.079 through the meadow. And I saw it jump in the 1174 00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.079 river and then it crossed the river and just like 1175 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:21.000 a you know, like a ten fifteen foot wide creek 1176 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.079 and it continues like, oh, shoot, look at that. I said, 1177 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.039 come look at this, and she Monica got out and 1178 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.920 we watched the sharkfin go and it ran right into 1179 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:34.679 the tourist campground, right up to like a picnic table, 1180 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.800 and it was like a dog having the time of 1181 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.840 its life, you know, right up to a table and 1182 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.519 got some food that was out there, and you know, 1183 00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:45.400 and then it looked like European tourists were in dolphin 1184 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.400 shorts were trying to get up to it to take pictures, 1185 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:49.280 and people were honking at it, and it just was 1186 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.599 having a great time. And it ran over the hill 1187 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.599 and I heard honking and whatever else, and I just 1188 00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:55.840 went like, holy smokes, I'm so glad that didn't come 1189 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:57.840 into our camp. Of course, we had no food out 1190 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.079 and everything like that either, but but you know, it 1191 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:02.719 was it knew where to get a meal. 1192 00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.559 The scariest grizzly story I've ever heard was this guy 1193 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.159 who's a fishing guy in South Texas and his brother 1194 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.079 moved up to Alaska, so he went up there to 1195 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:16.559 go hunting, and so they're camping out and he wakes 1196 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.639 up and he hears like something outside the tent and 1197 00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.400 he hears heavy breathing and he realizes it's a bear, 1198 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.400 and he's reaching around. He can't find his gun. He's 1199 00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.199 trying to wake up his brother. He's screaming, hollering at 1200 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:32.199 the bear whatever. And he says the bear was breathing 1201 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:34.000 at the tent and when it would breathe in, it 1202 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:38.360 would suck the tent toward it. Because he had a 1203 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:40.000 little head, he had a little light on it looked 1204 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.480 a little leg and see that he can see the 1205 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.280 breath coming and the bear just sitting there breathing outside 1206 00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.719 the tent. And he sees, he said, he seems like 1207 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.039 the claw comes up in the shadow, just like touching 1208 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:50.880 the tinagle. My god's about to rip through the tent. 1209 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.440 And so he finally gets to the gun bag, the 1210 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.239 bag of the gun the gun was in and he 1211 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.000 got the gun out, and he said when he clicked 1212 00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.719 the bag open that the bear's freaked. Scared the bear 1213 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.639 and here's a brig that big bear runaway. Send the 1214 00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:07.599 bear runs off. He shakes his brother. His brother gets 1215 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.760 up and he pulls ear plugs out and he goes, dude, 1216 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.320 there was a freaking grizzly bear about to kill us 1217 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.000 outside the ten. He goes, yeah, what do you have 1218 00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:20.519 your ears plugged for? He goes, look, if they come 1219 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:22.159 in the tent after you, enough you can do about it. 1220 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:23.599 I just want to die in peace. So I just 1221 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.639 wear ear plugs in I'm out here. I mean, I 1222 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.920 thought that was like insane, but that was spooky. I've 1223 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:33.079 got one I'm doing for next season. It's going to 1224 00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:35.719 be I've been formulating on what you're supposed to do 1225 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:37.960 when you're attacked by a faral hawk, because there are 1226 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:41.760 no rules for that. You know, you have well established 1227 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.039 rules for bear attacks, but what about a hog attack? 1228 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:46.519 They don't fall through like a bear, don't. They just 1229 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.800 kind of mess you up then take off. Hogs. 1230 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:53.679 Well, so I talked to I did a show on bears, 1231 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.880 and I had this gentleman on who's probably the world's 1232 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:00.239 foremost bear I mean, excuse me, a expert on thing 1233 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.119 related to hogs and especially hog attacks. It's really grewsome 1234 00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.719 stuff he studied, and he's like, you know, you don't 1235 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.920 you need to fight back because if you get on 1236 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:15.360 the ground in that position, hogs are very unreliable. We 1237 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:17.360 don't know what they're going to do. They're very unpredictable, 1238 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:19.679 you know. And so I'm trying to like get a 1239 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.440 couple of other people. I'm trying to formulate a game 1240 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.119 plan for Lucky. I get tacked by a sow and 1241 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:26.519 you know it's a sow. Is that going to be 1242 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:29.039 different than if a big loan boar comes after you? 1243 00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.400 You know, because a sow wants to eliminate you as 1244 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.639 a threat from her piglets, whereas a boar might be 1245 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.039 trying to kill you. And he told stories of ones 1246 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.039 in Europe that were like, there was a hog in 1247 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.159 Spain that was a predator hog they had to kill 1248 00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:44.480 because he was hunting people to eat them. Wow. Who yeah, 1249 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.480 I mean it was spooky. I mean there's a dude 1250 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.159 in Pineville, Louisiana in my book Hog Wow, he had 1251 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.159 a hog busted through his screen door and attacked him 1252 00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:53.760 on his couch. 1253 00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:55.639 How did fel die from hogs? 1254 00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.400 It's crazy. It happens a lot in Europe and Asia, 1255 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.280 but not so much in America. But that's it's coming to. Uh. 1256 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.960 We had a lady unfortunately four years ago, killed about 1257 00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.480 an hour from me and in her y and her 1258 00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.960 she was a medical She stayed with older people and 1259 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.559 did medical care for him overnight and it killed in 1260 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.360 the yard of one of her clients. So we're trying 1261 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.280 to put together stuff like that that maybe hasn't been 1262 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:18.280 done and get experts to give us some ideas on 1263 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:20.800 how to how to do that, and maybe we just 1264 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:22.840 all get together and do and how to stay safe 1265 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:24.519 safe in the Squatch woods together. 1266 00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.920 You know, it's amazing though, for how how aggressive they 1267 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.639 can be and how many millions there are that there's 1268 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:34.280 not more gruesome stories like they're It doesn't like they're 1269 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.599 that bad compared to the amount of them out there, 1270 00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:41.440 and how few attacks there are, like you know, major attacks. 1271 00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.159 No, it that's a great point. For example, you know 1272 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.880 they estimated about six million in the US. If we 1273 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.920 had six million grizzlies in the US, there'd be deaths 1274 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:53.440 all over the place. Yeah, you know, grizzlies aren't out 1275 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.480 to get people, but some grizzlies don't mind taking a chunk. 1276 00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:00.960 And if you had six million grizzlies, it'd be a 1277 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.079 whole different situation. But you know, it kind of goes 1278 01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:04.920 back to some of the you know we talked earlier 1279 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.119 about like how we don't know how like maybe these 1280 01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:11.159 land mines in Vietnam or development here in the US, 1281 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.480 what the impacts are having on Sasquatch. It kind of 1282 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.119 like gets back to that in way, like you have 1283 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:20.159 the gray wolf and the coyote situation. Development happens. Coyotes 1284 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.679 are rocking along, baby, They're gonna eat out of your scraps. 1285 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:24.960 They're gonna do whatever. They're gonna sleep, you know, next 1286 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.199 to your uh, you know, next to your shed and 1287 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.559 the woodpile. They don't care. Gray wolves, for example, can't 1288 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:33.400 tolerate it. They don't work well and they don't do 1289 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:35.800 as well, so they're pushed further and their numbers decline. 1290 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.400 That kind of stuff, and you know, I think some 1291 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.719 of that stuff, you know, even nature in general, it's like, 1292 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.599 what is the response to more people being around some 1293 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.719 of them? It's got fight or flight, you know, either 1294 01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:51.440 one and maybe a flight of numbers declining or you know, 1295 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.840 going back into further recesses of the wilderness. 1296 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.119 Very interesting. You know that this conversation is great and 1297 01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:58.559 we want to continue it. I think over at the 1298 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.440 members section, if you have time, Chester, can you stick 1299 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:03.519 around and do a member's episode with us. 1300 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:06.360 I always have time for Cliff and Bobo. That's just 1301 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:07.000 the way it is. 1302 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.760 We love you right well, before we get going, Chester, 1303 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:12.760 can you tell everybody what you're up to real fast, 1304 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.480 where to find jin, how to contact you if they 1305 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:15.800 have cool stories they want to share with you. 1306 01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:18.960 I appreciate that. So you can subscribe on my new 1307 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:23.280 Bigfoot channel, Global Bigfoot on YouTube, also Dark Outdoors the 1308 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:27.440 podcast on all podcasts and platforms, whether it's Spotify, iHeartRadio, 1309 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:31.000 Apple podcasts, wherever you listen and go to hire Calling 1310 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:34.360 dot net, my blog and the chester More that is 1311 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:37.079 the as we can use other people. The chester More 1312 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.719 on Instagram. 1313 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:40.920 Not just a chester More, the chester More chester More. 1314 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:42.559 I had to take that because somebody else just had 1315 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:44.840 chester and More said the chester More. Oh my god. 1316 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.679 I means it's like I'm an egotist, but I'll take it. 1317 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.360 That's great, dude, Yeah, I like it. You're embracing the 1318 01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:50.920 hip hop. 1319 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.400 There you go, bro, And of course all those links 1320 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:54.840 are going to be in the show notes as well, 1321 01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:56.320 so you can just go down there and check out 1322 01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:58.079 all this sort of stuff. Bob, do you want to 1323 01:01:58.119 --> 01:01:58.719 get us out of here? 1324 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:03.079 All right, folks, that's a great d chester More joining 1325 01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:05.400 us today. We always enjoy this company. Is a great guy, 1326 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.480 interesting stuff, and so thank you for tuning in and 1327 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:15.920 joining us and until next week, keep it Squatchy. 1328 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:20.119 Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. 1329 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.760 If you liked what you heard, please rate and review 1330 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:26.159 us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you 1331 01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:29.440 get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram 1332 01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:33.000 at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find us on 1333 01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.719 Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the middle, 1334 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.159 and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag 1335 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:42.119 Bigfoot and Beyond.