Speaker 1: Yeah, it is time to make that change. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we count it all. Joy to be with you this day,
Speaker 1: Dr West, and myself Dot I'm so glad to be
Speaker 1: back in the place with you and our viewers and
Speaker 1: our listeners. So much going on in our country, in
Speaker 1: the world per usual, nothing new about all of that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to go a little deeper into you know,
Speaker 1: the more than twenty killed near Gaza aid distribution centers.
Speaker 1: We know that there are national laws and also international
Speaker 1: laws against attacking one civilians two providers of aid and food.
Speaker 1: That should not be happening under international agreements. But it's
Speaker 1: been happening since this war on Gaza started. Let's be clear,
Speaker 1: this is not an equal war. It's not two sides
Speaker 1: to have equal power.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is a one sided proposition at this point. And
Speaker 1: then the Boulder attacks. No room in this country or
Speaker 1: in the world for anti Semitism, for killing of innocent people.
Speaker 1: We've said that time and time again, Doctor West. We
Speaker 1: don't equivocate on that. It's just so sad what happened
Speaker 1: in Voulder and then ranked choice voting, woo, we might
Speaker 1: have an upset in in New York City between an
Speaker 1: upstart of somebody that is a self described socialist and
Speaker 1: the other front runner, which is former Governor Andrew Cuomo. Now,
Speaker 1: this ranked choice voting was something that New Yorkers supported
Speaker 1: to try to level the playing field. And my god,
Speaker 1: there might be there just might be an upset. But
Speaker 1: before we get to any of that, the doctor is
Speaker 1: in the house, Doctor West. What is on your heart,
Speaker 1: your soul and your mind today?
Speaker 2: A dear Since then, I tell you we did miss
Speaker 2: you yesterday on Firthday. And we had quite a day
Speaker 2: as you can't imagine, though, Brother Taverts came in and
Speaker 2: then we had the special guest of one and only, incomparable,
Speaker 2: inimitable Clifton West, my one blood brother. In the old world,
Speaker 2: I got billions of brothers, but I only got one
Speaker 2: blood brother. Come on and we had an hour of
Speaker 2: pure joy, of pure delight and remembrance, going back to
Speaker 2: family life. And you know, chock the side the sack, though,
Speaker 2: but your spirits with us, oh indeed, indeed, And you know,
Speaker 2: brother Taverts, he's just such a masterful weaver. That brother
Speaker 2: brought in music that I hadn't heard for years and
Speaker 2: stories that I had forgot that he re read my
Speaker 2: autobio Augraphy that s Filey Books, published almost fifteen twenty
Speaker 2: years ago, and then of course my brother just took
Speaker 2: it to the height so that it was a wonderful day,
Speaker 2: but it was still a day that missed you. All
Speaker 2: of us missed you, and we know you are as
Speaker 2: strong as ever. When I think of the day after
Speaker 2: my birthday, I say to myself, is America still addicted
Speaker 2: to self destruction as it undergoes this imperial breakdown and
Speaker 2: spiritual melt down? And we need prophetic fight back. Everywhere
Speaker 2: you look you see unbelievable breakdown. It could be this
Speaker 2: violence against anybody. It could be against Jews, against black folks,
Speaker 2: it could be against against white folks. We're seeing the
Speaker 2: massive wave of violence across the board. And then at
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, you're seeing the h the
Speaker 2: gangster's being in the White House with Trump or being
Speaker 2: in Israel with Nathan Y'allhu and the id F still
Speaker 2: just getting away with murder, literally, getting away with genocide
Speaker 2: literally and getting away symbolically lies trying to hide and
Speaker 2: conceal it. And that's exactly what happens when an empire
Speaker 2: begins a melt down, and chickens begin to come home
Speaker 2: for the roost, and you start reaping what your soul
Speaker 2: and the question becomes given the spiritual meltdown that goes
Speaker 2: with that, people just kind of give up on love,
Speaker 2: give up on compassion, give up on service to others. No,
Speaker 2: we got a whole magnificent cloud of witnesses in the
Speaker 2: American Empire who hold it on the love, justice, service
Speaker 2: to others, highlighting the plight of the poor and working classes.
Speaker 2: That is what you call propfhetic fight back. That's the
Speaker 2: history of Black folk. Prophetic fighting back, leading with love
Speaker 2: and following through with love and justice in the bleakness
Speaker 2: of the moment. And there's something that we've talked about
Speaker 2: over and over again on our show, and we will
Speaker 2: never ever get tired of talking about, no matter how
Speaker 2: bleak the moment, leading with love and following through with courage,
Speaker 2: fighting for justice for pooring working people. It's not worthwhile.
Speaker 2: It is the desirable way of being in the world.
Speaker 2: It seems absurd, but it's the most alluring mode of
Speaker 2: being precise because we wouldn't be here if the folks
Speaker 2: in the past hadn't done precisely that and somebody's got
Speaker 2: to do it every generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen, Amen, everything that you said, Doc, I love
Speaker 1: that prophetic fight back. Got to put that in the
Speaker 1: long term memory. Let that marinate. And that is the tradition,
Speaker 1: the collective tradition of black people. But you can be
Speaker 1: non black and still has some prophetic fight back.
Speaker 2: Lord thing, it's a human thing. We just beget on
Speaker 2: the track the side of town. That's how.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love starting on the choclate side of Yes,
Speaker 1: I do always, even with all the pain you know
Speaker 1: that we face as a people, love starting on the
Speaker 1: chocolate side of the town. I often, you know, asked
Speaker 1: myself to queste. You know, if God said, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a choice, you can come back this way, this way,
Speaker 1: this way. I would still always pick, knowing everything that
Speaker 1: I know, to come back as a black woman.
Speaker 2: Oh, I ain't no doubt about that. But I wouldn't
Speaker 2: ask if it be Irene and Cliff as the mom
Speaker 2: and dad. It's the beautiful thing being black and chocolate
Speaker 2: and all. But I got my bias when it comes
Speaker 2: to family. Yeah, comes to the brother Cliff and sit
Speaker 2: there in Charlton, Red Willie be cook and shallow. But
Speaker 2: then Lord said oh, you just want everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, since you get to pick some things, you
Speaker 1: might as well put it all out there that you
Speaker 1: want at once. You might not get it all, but
Speaker 1: at least you put it out there. You're listening the
Speaker 1: truth time went Dot, the Cornell fest and Nina Turner.
Speaker 1: When we come forward, we are going to wrestle with
Speaker 1: today's topics. Prosthetic fight bang. That is our main court today,
Speaker 1: wrapping that into all of our stories so that you know.
Speaker 1: The Red Cross says that at least twenty one people
Speaker 1: were killed and dozen shot in a Guys of Aid incident,
Speaker 1: and as the reporting goes across the board, both international
Speaker 1: reporting and domestic reporting here in the United States, a
Speaker 1: mass casualty influx of people, many with not just gunshot
Speaker 1: wounds but also shrapnel, you know that bounces up wounds
Speaker 1: were These were innocent people. These were people seeking aid,
Speaker 1: people trying to provide aid. The International Committee of the
Speaker 1: Red Cross said twenty one people were declared dead upon arrival,
Speaker 1: while women and children were among one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: nine cases. The organization statement came after the Israeli Defense Fund,
Speaker 1: you know they are involved in this and the innocent
Speaker 1: killing of civilians. And there's nothing new about this. This
Speaker 1: has been going on since this war started, time and
Speaker 1: time again. Doctor West and I from the beginning of
Speaker 1: October seventh have said what Hamas did to those innocent
Speaker 1: Israelis were wrong, no doubt about it. Here we are
Speaker 1: on the other side of this and killings are still occurring.
Speaker 1: I think over fifty thousand people doc have been killed.
Speaker 1: That's only the numbers that they have is probably more
Speaker 1: than that. And millions of people enduring famine on the
Speaker 1: Palestinian side, and it just seems like there is no
Speaker 1: relief in sight. Israel is definitely violating international law, and
Speaker 1: in Israel, the right wing government of Israel be very specific,
Speaker 1: and it's being aided in a bed by the United States,
Speaker 1: starting with Biden and continuing with Trump, both presidents, both
Speaker 1: US presidents.
Speaker 2: No, all Trump's got to do is make a phone call.
Speaker 2: They would stop. He has said, so everybody knows. So. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the sad thing.
Speaker 3: Is is that the the ugliness and the viciousness of
Speaker 3: anti Palestinian racism makes it possible for the genocide of
Speaker 3: precious Palestinian people to be.
Speaker 2: Right on TV, on social media, but can but not stopped.
Speaker 2: People can witness it, they can behold it, but there's
Speaker 2: no collective will to stop it. And what in the
Speaker 2: way of it, What gets in the way of it
Speaker 2: is a blind allegiance to an Israeli government that does
Speaker 2: not believe that Palestinians are full fledged human being, so
Speaker 2: they can be killed at Whima and massacred that way.
Speaker 2: And there's a sickness. It's a spiritual what the Bible says,
Speaker 2: it's a spiritual wickedness, and it's a human thing. Government
Speaker 2: can have it. Israeli government doesn't have a monopoly on it.
Speaker 2: Jews don't have a monopoly on it. Any human being
Speaker 2: be spiritually wicked, Any government can be spiritually wicked. When
Speaker 2: any government that perpetrates genocide is spiritually wicked. And United
Speaker 2: States supports, sponsors, authorizes it, and no voices in Congress
Speaker 2: in a collective effective way can stop it. There's two
Speaker 2: voices here there. That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. And imagine, I mean, we could put
Speaker 1: ourselves in the place of the Palestinians, and we would
Speaker 1: want the international community to come to our aid that
Speaker 1: it's important to remind our listeners, our audience, rather that
Speaker 1: Israel does not allow international news organizations to come in,
Speaker 1: so we're lucky to get any of the truth out
Speaker 1: because they do not allow international news organizations including the BBC,
Speaker 1: into Gaza, making verifying what's happening, truly happening in the
Speaker 1: Gaza even that much more difficult. So the little bit
Speaker 1: of news that we are getting probably only barely scratches
Speaker 1: the surface when it comes to the humanitarian crisis or
Speaker 1: flipped another way, the inhumanity that is happening to the
Speaker 1: Palestinians in Gaza. And I mean, it's so wonder that
Speaker 1: anybody is still alive. That we talk a lot about
Speaker 1: the resilience of black people in this country facing so
Speaker 1: much racial bigotry, a top black hatred generationally, and when
Speaker 1: I look at some of the similarities again not exactly
Speaker 1: the same of what the Palestinian people are going through,
Speaker 1: it's just so wonder that many of them are still alive.
Speaker 2: No, that's real. But I think what really brings together
Speaker 2: black people and Pians historically is a degree to which
Speaker 2: institutionalized hatred could be so targeted at them that nobody
Speaker 2: cares when they're precious babies are killed. In the larger
Speaker 2: white mainstream, the anti Palestinian racism, anti black racism. They
Speaker 2: cut so deep that people just get normalized and naturalized
Speaker 2: in such a way that, yeah, all these deaths are
Speaker 2: taking place, that's just the way it is. All these
Speaker 2: baby massacred, that's just the way it is. But if
Speaker 2: it was their babies, it is not just qualitatively different,
Speaker 2: but the script is completely flipped. Then the people are savages.
Speaker 2: The people are doing it, are sub human. The people
Speaker 2: are doing it deserve resistance. We gotta support resistance. Oh no,
Speaker 2: you don't get in the Western world. You don't get
Speaker 2: in in America, you don't get in the US government.
Speaker 2: Any talk about resisting the id F and resisting Israel's
Speaker 2: attempt to impose genociah, nick cleansing and apartheid on Palestinian's. No,
Speaker 2: But if it were the other way around, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: the US Congress would be in the vanguard of resisting
Speaker 2: any kind of killings of white babies, European babies, or
Speaker 2: Israeli Jewish babies. That's the racism. That's not just the stars.
Speaker 2: That's a deep, deep racism that is not in the
Speaker 2: very ways in which media presents it.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the media, doct I mean I know
Speaker 1: Minister Malcolm X talked about He said something like the
Speaker 1: media have you love whom they will and hate whom
Speaker 1: they will. They'll have you loving the oppressor and hating
Speaker 1: the oppressed. And my God, is that like happening. This
Speaker 1: is not the first time that something like this has happened,
Speaker 1: but it's in our face in real time for a
Speaker 1: new and younger generation to not just read about these
Speaker 1: things happening, but living it out. And that goes for
Speaker 1: what's happening in the Congo too. We need to continue
Speaker 1: to lift up. I saw a post recently by a doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor Bernice King, and you know she's always lifting up
Speaker 1: what's happening in the Congo, and I know we do too,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about the Congo a little
Speaker 1: more than what we ordinarily do, so we'll have to
Speaker 1: program that in. But it's called the Silent war, and
Speaker 1: not to compare misery, misery is misery two degrees. Though,
Speaker 1: when you have people of that magnitude who are suffering
Speaker 1: in places like the Congosday and other places like that,
Speaker 1: and nobody's barely reporting on it, that also shows another
Speaker 1: level of disregard and racism, anti black racism. To be
Speaker 1: specific about the worth of the lives of the people
Speaker 1: who are suffering in parts of Africa, and all of
Speaker 1: that suffering can be linked back to the Scramble for Africa,
Speaker 1: you know, because we got to understand that doesn't justify
Speaker 1: the things that are happening, because each generation, each type
Speaker 1: of leader, can make different decisions. However, to fully understand
Speaker 1: the depth of this thing, the depth of what is
Speaker 1: happening in the Gaza and the Palestinian Israeli relationships that
Speaker 1: go back thousands of years, you know. So what is
Speaker 1: happening in certain parts on the continent of Africa is
Speaker 1: also linked to imperialism and colonialism and to Scramble for
Speaker 1: Africa and the fact that Europeans carved out Africa in
Speaker 1: such a way that had a total disregard for tribal lines,
Speaker 1: for cultural lines, who got along with whom all of
Speaker 1: the You can't understand it, you know. James Baldwin said,
Speaker 1: you can't say you love the tree if you hate
Speaker 1: the root. Or I don't know if that was him
Speaker 1: or Minister Malcolm, but I think James Baldman says something
Speaker 1: like you got to understand the root, and so you
Speaker 1: and I as students of history. We always try to
Speaker 1: bring in the root cause, not justification for this kind
Speaker 1: of violence and displacement of people, but it is just
Speaker 1: it's really gut wrenching, and to your point that it
Speaker 1: is an indictment on our collective humanity, or flipped another way,
Speaker 1: our collective inhumanity.
Speaker 2: And we zero in it's a massive, colossal indictment of
Speaker 2: governments and mainstream medias tell the truth about this organized
Speaker 2: hatred and this weaponized greed that leads towards these kind
Speaker 2: of massacres, looking for land, looking for cheap labor, looking
Speaker 2: for power and position, and we know there's a human
Speaker 2: story that we talking about, specific stories in this case
Speaker 2: in Gaza, in this case in the Congo.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, at that part, Doc, going back to something
Speaker 1: CBS News reported about this recent killing. At least twenty
Speaker 1: seven Palestinians were fatally shot at one hundred and sixty one,
Speaker 1: so depending on the outlet, the numbers may be a
Speaker 1: little different, but we get the picture. One hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty one others wounded on Tuesday as they try to
Speaker 1: reach a food distribution center in Gaza run by a
Speaker 1: controversial US back group. According to the Hamas run Gaza
Speaker 1: Ministry of Health. It was the third day of deadly
Speaker 1: violence reported near a humanitarian hub run by the US
Speaker 1: and Israeli back Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which I believe doctors
Speaker 1: just recently created by this president mine totally blown a
Speaker 1: private organization accused by the United Nations of weaponizing aid.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to what the United Nations is saying, and
Speaker 1: the United Nations has been sounding the alarm since this
Speaker 1: crisis amped up to this magnitude.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, over six hundred days. Jesus, United States
Speaker 2: come with this little facata reminds me of the United
Speaker 2: States government just a number of months ago saying, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna build a little boat on the vote.
Speaker 2: Boat is gonna throw out food for people who undergoing genocide.
Speaker 2: Please please don't disrespect our intelligence like that. Same is
Speaker 2: true with this little concoction. Ain't nothing but a facade,
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing but a charad, a charade acting as if
Speaker 2: in the last minute, we have some concern. Now now
Speaker 2: they've gone around the more established institutions that providing aid
Speaker 2: because they have crushed them. Unraw has been crushed by US, Israeli,
Speaker 2: British forces. That's what makes it in part of genocide,
Speaker 2: when you get not just the killing of the bodies,
Speaker 2: but when you about you destroy all the hospital ninety
Speaker 2: four of us in the hospitals, all the universities, elementary schools,
Speaker 2: any of the sites that are sources of human flourishing
Speaker 2: are crushed. That's what genocide years. Even the who wasn't
Speaker 2: brother Homer, the former Prime Minister of Israel, said I've
Speaker 2: now reached the conclusion, after this overwhelming evidence, that these
Speaker 2: attacks are genocidal attacks. These are undeniable war crimes. You
Speaker 2: got Matthew Hims what's his name, Matthew Miller of the
Speaker 2: Biden administration. Yeah, yeah, yesterday or two days ago, and
Speaker 2: the heater was telling me, yes, there's definitely war crimes
Speaker 2: being committed. Well, we've been saying that for six hundred days,
Speaker 2: and you call us anti Semitic. We've been trying to
Speaker 2: create certain kind of encampments so that students could express
Speaker 2: their moral outrage at genocide. What do you do create
Speaker 2: a whole discourse attacking the students, calling them anti semitic? Why?
Speaker 2: Because they're more deeply moved by anti Semitic rhetoric, which
Speaker 2: is wrong than they are anti Palestinian racist behavior, which
Speaker 2: is genocidal, which is pathological. They get more upset the
Speaker 2: rhetoric then they do the reality. Why because they don't
Speaker 2: give a damn about Palestinians. That's why.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I mean you preaching doc God, that's it. And
Speaker 1: I would dare any of us could be in that position.
Speaker 1: And that is the thing that we got to understand.
Speaker 1: When you have systems and leaders of certain powerful hegemonic
Speaker 1: or Western nations deciding whose life is worthy over somebody
Speaker 1: else's life, it could be the group that you're a
Speaker 1: part of next, because none of this hatred, there's no
Speaker 1: rhyme and reason. It's illogical, it's ill moral, it's at
Speaker 1: the whim of human beings. And it could be you
Speaker 1: or somebody you love next. And that's another reason, even
Speaker 1: just for selfish reasons, we should care about how Western
Speaker 1: nations are deciding that it's just okay to white Palestinians
Speaker 1: off the map, because that's exactly what they're doing, taking
Speaker 1: their homeland, their bodies, their souls. Everything. You are listening
Speaker 1: to Truth Time doctor Cornell West and Nina Turner. When
Speaker 1: will come forward, we will talk about the tragedies that
Speaker 1: happened in Boulder, Colorado, totally unacceptable. Love and truth in indeed,
Speaker 1: so DOCU labeled this that prophetic fight back, and we
Speaker 1: gotta have it in every situation, especially in the face
Speaker 1: of such visceral hate that is steaming full speed ahead,
Speaker 1: both in this country and all around the world. We
Speaker 1: were just discussing what happened in the in the gaza
Speaker 1: for people who were trying to get some food, to
Speaker 1: get some made, and folks were killed and folks were injured,
Speaker 1: and it just makes no sense at all. We're gonna
Speaker 1: move into Boulder, Colorado, which happened a few days ago
Speaker 1: as well, where you have folks who regularly gather to
Speaker 1: say released the hostage, hostage Israelily hostages and they were
Speaker 1: attacked and we don't accept that at all. Should have
Speaker 1: never happened. We'll talk about that. Doc is our time
Speaker 1: to go into our live chat on the tube. The
Speaker 1: family has gathered, they are cross pollinating among each other
Speaker 1: and also they have some questions for us. So I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to be back to lift this up. Culture.
Speaker 1: What's up, family, Let's get it. Oh, we're trying to
Speaker 1: get it. Culture. Thank you for chiming in. Blessed peacemaker.
Speaker 1: I hope you had a great birthday, Doctor West. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: Senator Turner. So, Doc, did you have a great birthday?
Speaker 2: Oh? Lord, better than I deserve it, you know how
Speaker 2: correct it I am. I got so many blessing flowing.
Speaker 2: I can't keep track, coping. I can't measure him by
Speaker 2: any criteria. I gotta smile on my face, even in
Speaker 2: the bleak world.
Speaker 1: Hello, somebody, that is beautiful. Blessed peacemaker. Doc said he
Speaker 1: had he had more than he deserves. That's beautiful, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be back. You know, Doc, I was
Speaker 1: in LA. Did not get a chance to get with
Speaker 1: brother Tavits at all. It was a whirldwin in and out,
Speaker 1: and you would know there's some hard flights because you
Speaker 1: do that all the time. But I was there with
Speaker 1: the organization One Fair Wage, and I encourage our audience
Speaker 1: to go visit Onefairwage dot org. They are a national
Speaker 1: organization fighting all across the country to lift the subminimum
Speaker 1: wage in the United States of America, which by the way,
Speaker 1: on average is two dollars and fifteen cents. So if
Speaker 1: you are blessed enough to go to a restaurant from
Speaker 1: time to time. Those servers are making on average two
Speaker 1: dollars and fifteen cents and they rely on our tips
Speaker 1: to subsidize their wages. That sub minimum wage is rooted
Speaker 1: in slavery, meaning they got together. This industry was dominated
Speaker 1: by white by I'm excuse me, by black women, and
Speaker 1: the restaurant organizations or industry got together and decided that
Speaker 1: black women did not deserve to get paid. They were
Speaker 1: gonna have to rely on the large of tips. And
Speaker 1: you fast forward to the twenty first century, but they
Speaker 1: meant for evil basically towards black women. Now impacts all
Speaker 1: our sisters and brothers and family and friends in that industry.
Speaker 1: The vestiges are linked to anti blackness and to slavery.
Speaker 1: If you go to Onefairwage dot org you can read
Speaker 1: that whole history that I was just mortified by that,
Speaker 1: and I've been working with one Fair Wage ever since.
Speaker 1: And they had some successes coming out of La County
Speaker 1: where it looks like the minimum wage itself, including tip
Speaker 1: workers and also hopefully incarcerated of folks as well, is
Speaker 1: going to increase. So they're launching a campaign Living Wage
Speaker 1: for All. So that's where I was. I was so
Speaker 1: close to brother Tavis and did not get to see him.
Speaker 1: And the press conference I was at was at the
Speaker 1: same time that our show starts, so that's what I
Speaker 1: was doing.
Speaker 2: No, but again, our spirits were with and your spirits
Speaker 2: were with us, because what you're doing dealing with this
Speaker 2: issue of wage and precious working people no matter what
Speaker 2: color they are. We thank God for the brother Harold
Speaker 2: Myerson's and the brother Robert Cuttner's and others who's zero
Speaker 2: in all the time on this issue of labor and
Speaker 2: the centrality of labor and what you are doing, what
Speaker 2: youration is doing, the legacy of Randolph working through you,
Speaker 2: is doing that difference in the world. So we were together.
Speaker 1: We were together. We were together, we were we were
Speaker 1: spreading the work. You know, many hands made for light work.
Speaker 1: So big shout out to Sarru who runs that organization,
Speaker 1: all the other partner organizations. National Education Association, which is
Speaker 1: a teacher's organization, was in the place. I mean, labor
Speaker 1: was represented because sometimes the House of labor can leave
Speaker 1: folks out. But it was good to see the House
Speaker 1: of labor represented in that group. All kinds of activists
Speaker 1: and doc I got to see my sister, who I
Speaker 1: had not seen in such a long time. I was
Speaker 1: with Linda Sarsow and sister Camille Perez, and then also
Speaker 1: Erica Alexander. Many of you may remember her from Living Single.
Speaker 1: She's an actress and just a dear friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and I had not seen her physically in a few years.
Speaker 1: So it was just really great to have so many
Speaker 1: people in the place fighting for workers from all backgrounds
Speaker 1: all over this country. And thank you, Doc for reminding me,
Speaker 1: let me lift up the freedom budget for all Americans.
Speaker 1: We are fighting to create a human rights.
Speaker 2: Economy that's exactly right. And these issues with the trade
Speaker 2: union of the class struggles go hand in hand with
Speaker 2: our critiques of imperialism and gods and congo, go hand
Speaker 2: in hand with our critiques of the president industrial complex
Speaker 2: and mass incarceration. It goes hand in hand with our
Speaker 2: defense of our precious trands who are being demonized and
Speaker 2: vilified every day. It goes hand in and with being
Speaker 2: in solidarity with our Jewish brothers and sisters who being
Speaker 2: viciously attacked. We know the anti Jewish hatred is as
Speaker 2: evil as anti Palestinian hatred or anti black hatred or
Speaker 2: anti white hatred. This is a moral and a spiritual issue.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you one last question. What was
Speaker 2: the Black Church in any way in on this.
Speaker 1: No, I know that not directly, not at least for
Speaker 1: this event. I have to ask. I think maybe in
Speaker 1: some states the Black Church may be involved a little more,
Speaker 1: but that is a you know what I'm gonna ask,
Speaker 1: sister Sarru. How involved is the faith based community, especially
Speaker 1: the Black church. That's a fascinating question. Now what made
Speaker 1: you lift that up?
Speaker 2: I was yourself and Randolph and Martin King and Fanny Louhima,
Speaker 2: and how they always were for labor and also like people.
Speaker 2: And I was wondering the degree to which other than yourself,
Speaker 2: because I mean with you, there ain't that all of it,
Speaker 2: but other than yourself, whether they're like black clergy folk
Speaker 2: who are there in any way. It's hard to get
Speaker 2: the Black church involved in these trade union issues these days,
Speaker 2: it seems to me.
Speaker 1: But I could be wrong, well, not an identifiable way,
Speaker 1: But you bring up something that is important, which I
Speaker 1: will talk to Sarru, who is the president and founder
Speaker 1: of One Fair Wage, to ask the question, has the
Speaker 1: organization sought to engage. Yes, faith based community, because sometimes
Speaker 1: people don't know so much going on. You might not know,
Speaker 1: but yes, what better. I mean, the institution of the
Speaker 1: church should be there, whether it's a mosque of synagogue,
Speaker 1: Christian tradition, they all should be there. Be in terms
Speaker 1: of the mandates of the Christ or Buddha or Muhammad.
Speaker 1: You know, all of those traditions is kind of mailed
Speaker 1: together and what we should be doing in terms of
Speaker 1: helping poor people, helping working people, helping oppress people. So
Speaker 1: dot because of you, I'm gonna lift that up. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lift that up to Sister Saru and I'll follow
Speaker 1: up with you here on the air. We got Morris Phillips,
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Doctor West and Senator Turner. Thank you for
Speaker 1: your courage. It is an honor to be courageous in
Speaker 1: the face of all of this. We got Jesse Paris
Speaker 1: Akachi chag nagruma peace and much love, Doctor West and
Speaker 1: Senator Nina Turner from Denver, Colorado. We appreciate that when
Speaker 1: we come forward, we'll finish with we'll we'll continue your
Speaker 1: comments and continue some of the topics that we've looked
Speaker 1: it up. Yep, Yes, this is beautiful doctor. So you
Speaker 1: know what, throughout the show, our audience has been hearing
Speaker 1: the ads about the anniversary that's coming up. So Doctor
Speaker 1: West and I want to add some more to this.
Speaker 1: Our KBLA Talk fifteen eighty fourth anniversary events are fast
Speaker 1: approaching and seating at all four of our special events
Speaker 1: is getting tight, meaning come on, don't wait till the
Speaker 1: last minute. If you want to show your face in
Speaker 1: the place, you need to sign up. You have to
Speaker 1: register at our KBLA fifteen eighty dot com website. Make
Speaker 1: sure that you register. You're not gonna miss this and
Speaker 1: if if not, let me encourage you. If you haven't
Speaker 1: done it, you need to go on and stop and
Speaker 1: do that right now, because we don't want you left
Speaker 1: out of this party. Doc, you gonna be there. Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior is gonna be there. Of course, Brother Tavis.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be there.
Speaker 1: I mean a whole host of folks are going to
Speaker 1: be there our fourth anniversary and we want you there
Speaker 1: to celebrate that with us. So if you're planning, if
Speaker 1: you are planning to join us for that fourth anniversary
Speaker 1: celebration and barbecue on the Juneteenth holiday, we're asking you
Speaker 1: We're asking everybody to bring a food gift card from
Speaker 1: any place you choose, on any amount, so that those
Speaker 1: gift cards may be given out to the victims of
Speaker 1: the Altadena fire because they're still suffering. They're suffering is
Speaker 1: not over, and we can help lift a little bit
Speaker 1: of that burden. So if you plan on coming to
Speaker 1: the celebration, the barbecue, all that good stuff, make sure
Speaker 1: you bring a gift card and of any amount, any
Speaker 1: amount that you can afford. The sacrifice would be so helpful,
Speaker 1: Be grateful for whatever you can do, and just go
Speaker 1: ahead sign up. Don't forget now. It's free to attend,
Speaker 1: but seating is limited. So I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: folks they don't want to be left out.
Speaker 2: And ain't nothing wrong with standing either. They can come
Speaker 2: aste just like a friend's concert. A bit.
Speaker 1: True that, Doc, ain't nothing wrong with standing. If you
Speaker 1: could do it, you go ahead on the stand. So
Speaker 1: please make sure that you sign up. Go to the
Speaker 1: KBLA fifteen eighty dot com website and sign up. Back
Speaker 1: to our comments, So fuck we got a good quite
Speaker 1: so a lot of birthday wishes to you, Doc. So
Speaker 1: for all our people in the chat who are wistening,
Speaker 1: wishing doctor West a happy birthday. I'm just gonna blanket
Speaker 1: that a lot of love for you and your birthday.
Speaker 1: And then we have culture has a question for both
Speaker 1: of us, Senator Turner, doctor West, how do you maintain
Speaker 1: your authenticity in a political party and not conform to
Speaker 1: code switching. I do not see many politicians embracing their culture.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing so.
Speaker 2: I should allow you to answer that. Ah Ya, I
Speaker 2: should pray that you would answer that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just hey, you gotta take me as I am.
Speaker 1: I learned that a long time ago. You know, Frederick
Speaker 1: Douglass had a quote about abhorns of self if you
Speaker 1: are not true to yourself, and I got to sleep
Speaker 1: with myself. I gotta wake up with myself. I believe
Speaker 1: I got a answer to a higher power. And therefore
Speaker 1: none of that selling out stuff is worth it, and
Speaker 1: especially at this age and this stage of my life,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Not worth it.
Speaker 1: And to genuinely be black in America is also a
Speaker 1: type of resistance. When we come forward, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: doctor West to answer to that question. Thank you for
Speaker 1: that culture. You're listening to truth Time. Oh you know what, Doc,
Speaker 1: I forgot no more breaks, no more breaks, no more
Speaker 1: breaks until the end. Oh my god, brother Miles told
Speaker 1: me that I'm just so programmed looking at that clock.
Speaker 1: We can keep going. So like in the in the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, is it's not worth me not being me?
Speaker 1: And I catch hell for it? You know it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. I mean, there's pushback for me being me,
Speaker 1: being authentically who I am in my blackness. But I
Speaker 1: don't care, I brother face they push their pushback than
Speaker 1: to not be able to live with myself for being
Speaker 1: a strong, blo black woman that I am. Your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that doc. I know you're not of this party,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're independent. So the culture's
Speaker 1: question was about the party itself, so.
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the beautiful things. But the Tavis
Speaker 2: station here fifteen eighty is that it is a species
Speaker 2: of prophetic fight back, precisely because you have to be unapologetic.
Speaker 2: And when you're unapologetic, it means you take off your
Speaker 2: deodorized surface and be your funky self. And when you
Speaker 2: being your funky self, that is a very source of
Speaker 2: your joy, that's the source of your strength, that's the
Speaker 2: source of your power. Why would anybodynate themselves from their
Speaker 2: own joy. Well, if you ain't gonna be yourself and
Speaker 2: wear your mask your whole life, then you lose sight
Speaker 2: of what your face really looked like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, through that you do and it's hard, but it's
Speaker 1: worth it. It's worth the fight back. No, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's a prophetic fight back. That's how we do it.
Speaker 1: You some that of shap all of you and all
Speaker 1: your questions and just everything that people are saying. So
Speaker 1: that we were talking about, we talked about what just
Speaker 1: happened in Gazo. We kind of alluded to a little
Speaker 1: bit about what happened in Bouldered those attacks. So it
Speaker 1: was an assault on a group of Jewish people primarily
Speaker 1: who gather to support the Israeli hostages. It was in Bolder, Colorado.
Speaker 1: They do this on a regular basis. So this person,
Speaker 1: you know, picked up on the habit and just went
Speaker 1: in there and and targeted them. This was truly anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: The violence you know that that these people face is unacceptable, unacceptable.
Speaker 1: You can be in support of our sisters and brothers
Speaker 1: and family and friends in the Gaza, support Palestinian lives,
Speaker 1: but what you cannot do is then go in and
Speaker 1: cause violence and chaos and pain to innocent people who
Speaker 1: have a different view than yours.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, that just the moral question. The killing of
Speaker 2: an innocent life is murder. Murder is murdering a matter
Speaker 2: under such oventation and national identity of the human being involved.
Speaker 2: And we've got to fight all forms of racism. There's
Speaker 2: just no doubt about that. That's just a moral and
Speaker 2: the spiritual question, very much so.
Speaker 1: And we call the question all the time.
Speaker 2: Absoluh. Yeah, No, We're gonna be true to our sense
Speaker 2: of morality and spirituality. That's part of what it means
Speaker 2: to be true to your authenticity. We understand context now
Speaker 2: we know of you got twenty thousand Palestinian babies who
Speaker 2: are killed, and it looks there's no accountability whatsoever. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be some people who come out swinging. Of course,
Speaker 2: that's a human response. Every human response is not the
Speaker 2: moral response, but it's a human resc We don't provide
Speaker 2: excuses for killing innocent folks, no, not at all, not
Speaker 2: at all. We don't want to revamped the cycle of
Speaker 2: violence and hatred that we see that is in some ways,
Speaker 2: in so many ways. Of course, it's much more predominant
Speaker 2: on the side of the powerful. That's true for white supremacists,
Speaker 2: it's true for imperialists, it's true for patriarchs, and it's
Speaker 2: true in this case for Israel visa beit the Palestinians.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean jack innocent Jewish brothers and sisters, not
Speaker 2: just here in the United States but anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2: It's just wrong.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Doc, So we definitely condemn that. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't never happened, and thought some prayers to that community,
Speaker 1: that whole community. Everybody's impacted by some people more directly,
Speaker 1: some indirectly, but we're all impacted by it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: move into New York. So could ranked choice voting make
Speaker 1: a socialist New York City's mayor? This is coming from
Speaker 1: the FP Press. The Free Press advocates claim ranked choice
Speaker 1: voting would move politics to the center. Now, it might
Speaker 1: help elect the most radical mayor in New York City history.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes our people use radical as a negative.
Speaker 1: Radical just really means getting at the route. But you
Speaker 1: got this young brother, brother Zoran, holding it down in
Speaker 1: New York. Doc, talk to us about it.
Speaker 2: Well, No, I'm sitting here looking at Harlem right here
Speaker 2: in one hundred and twenty third Street, no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see what happened. It's a fascinating situation and configuration.
Speaker 1: Who it is that was in.
Speaker 2: This situation, it's a fascinating one, it really is. But
Speaker 2: we also got to realize is that it's like when
Speaker 2: we sat down back in the eighties with David Dinkins
Speaker 2: when he won. Is the first black mayor. The permanent
Speaker 2: government of New York City is Wall Street.
Speaker 1: Woo he is ooh oh, we that we We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to let that mayor, let that marinate for a while.
Speaker 1: In other words, that system is gonna do everything in
Speaker 1: its power to try to prevent this young man from winning.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that ranked choice voting is a tool that
Speaker 1: can be used by the masses of people to try
Speaker 1: to get closer to the type of candidate that they want.
Speaker 1: And he got him nervous. He's shaking him up, him
Speaker 1: and his supporters. So New York y'all keep doing the
Speaker 1: dagone thing. This has been pure joy. We want you
Speaker 1: to live on purpose, live your purpose, understand your purpose.
Speaker 1: But above all, titles are good, but purpose is better.
Speaker 1: Until next time