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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, were recording at the Injective Policy Summit, and

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<v Speaker 1>joining me is Eric Chen, who is the CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>the Injective Foundation. Eric, good to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric, you and I spoke years back about injective. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>has happened in the injective ecosystem, lots of adoption and more,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited to be doing this at the summit

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Thank you so much for taking the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so, Eric, Just so folks know, tell us

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<v Speaker 1>a bit about your background. What led to the founding

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<v Speaker 1>of Injective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, initially we were primarily focusing on kind of

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<v Speaker 2>resolving some of the common technical issues when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to building like a fully decentralized infrastructure, especially for like

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<v Speaker 2>entering war book or like you know, like on chain exchanges, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>And we kind of came up with this very clever

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<v Speaker 2>like cryptographic primitive and applied it in a very creative

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<v Speaker 2>way to resolve one of the core issues at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>which was front running. And that kind of like uh

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<v Speaker 2>uh started us uh you know, prompted us to build

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<v Speaker 2>kind of decentralized exchange infrastructure, and then it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>prompted us to build you know this uh uh layer

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<v Speaker 2>two environment for exchange ecosystem, and then it allows us

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<v Speaker 2>a transition into like a layer one blockchain for the

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<v Speaker 2>exchange ecosystem, and then very soon after a blockchain both

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<v Speaker 2>for finance and now you know, uh uh like the

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<v Speaker 2>next generation of on chain economy.

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<v Speaker 1>So what type of building are you seeing on the

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<v Speaker 1>injective blockchain? Is it tokenization and much more? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So, I think the most recent exciting part uh for

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<v Speaker 2>the ecosystem for us, it's about tokenization and also all

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<v Speaker 2>these institutional adoptions and use cases, especially when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, tokenizing not only just real world assets,

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<v Speaker 2>but also data itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And also a lot of you know, very interesting like

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<v Speaker 2>aunting perpetuals on different types of r w as. I

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<v Speaker 2>think these are you know, so far gaining a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of steam. And of course this is on top of

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<v Speaker 2>a very much uh you know or some blossoming a

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<v Speaker 2>builder ecosystem that ranges from AI agents to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>different types of defile applications, the lending to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, AI agents are all the rage right now.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are building infrastructure for that for

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<v Speaker 1>the agentic economy. Do you see that being possibly growing

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than tokenization or maybe second to tokenization.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it really depends on the metric that you

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<v Speaker 2>measure them against. So so we just to release the

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<v Speaker 2>AI s t K design specifically for AI agents so

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, it's a very much of a well harnessed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, safe environment for you know, different types of

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<v Speaker 2>AI agents to engage with the injective blockchain and makes

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<v Speaker 2>it you know, easier than never to integrate. So this way,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, user don't even have to know how the

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<v Speaker 2>injective blockchain works, not even users developers don't even have

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<v Speaker 2>to know, and you can just tell the agents like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like buy something for me, maybe uninjective, maybe not, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if if it's uninjective for the AI agent

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<v Speaker 2>will be able to acquire it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as a layer one, how are you preparing to

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<v Speaker 1>handle the volume of transactions for not only tokenization but

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<v Speaker 1>AI agents over time as that grows?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, scaling is you know, like a consistent priority

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of what we've always been decently good at

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<v Speaker 2>to say the least. So so being a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>an ultra performance blockchain out there and you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>being able to like scale as a specialized modular blockchain

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<v Speaker 2>that you know can be opt typer optimized for a

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<v Speaker 2>specific type of transaction. We have plenty of experiences, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>lower the cost down to make sure you know the

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<v Speaker 2>overall bandwidth of the blockchain and satisfy you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>the agentic payments or you know, different types of like

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<v Speaker 2>DeFi use cases or different types of institutional use cases,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you can always be faster, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>always we're working on.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. Absolutely, I know it's a working progress to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to scale and make things better because we're in what

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<v Speaker 1>Eric we could call it the innings of web three

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<v Speaker 1>right correct now there are a lot of institutions that

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<v Speaker 1>are looking to tokenize and do a lot more. What

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<v Speaker 1>type of demand are you seeing from these institutions when

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<v Speaker 1>they come to you and say, here's our plan, here's

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<v Speaker 1>what we want to put on chain. Has that demand

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<v Speaker 1>grown and are they looking to put stocks, real estate

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<v Speaker 1>things on chain?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? I think you know, not only are they trying

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<v Speaker 2>to put on you know, different types of equity or

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<v Speaker 2>different types of asset. I think they're slowly starting to

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<v Speaker 2>learn that this is a very unique fundraising environment or

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<v Speaker 2>like a kind of like a capital discovery environment. So

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<v Speaker 2>one of the really interesting example is that let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, there's a there's an asset or an

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<v Speaker 2>exotic asset that's kind of like having trouble to find,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the necessary buyers or investors via their existing

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<v Speaker 2>rails within like a limited like user base or audience

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<v Speaker 2>within the US, and then once they tokenize it, they realize,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hey, like turns out a lot of different

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<v Speaker 2>folks in Asia or in Europe really love this asset.

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<v Speaker 2>And and this is how you do like instant permission lists,

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<v Speaker 2>like in a sense like investor discovery and buyer discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're kind of putting assets to work that would

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<v Speaker 1>just sit there idly and giving them a market, giving

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<v Speaker 1>them liquidity exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what crypto is truly extremely amazing at,

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<v Speaker 2>is that you know, you find liquidity on like a

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<v Speaker 2>global marketplace easier than any existing financial infrastructure. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shown this with the recent IPA to organization

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. That's shown a tremendous amount of attraction and success.

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<v Speaker 1>So on that note, with adoption and institutions looking to

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<v Speaker 1>get involved, many are waiting for the Clarity Act. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>this summit. You know today there's a lot of talks

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<v Speaker 1>around that we're here in d C. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>when this bill passes that it will unlock more building

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<v Speaker 1>an innovation on injective and other chains.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, honestly, it's a pivotal moment. We've all been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, holding our breath to see, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>how how the bill comes out, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 2>ETA at et cetera. And then as soon as it does,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what you're probably going to expect is that

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<v Speaker 2>we're probably gonna you know, uh, upgrade the existing Artaba module,

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<v Speaker 2>upgrade you know, different types of like inner workings of

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<v Speaker 2>the chain itself to make sure we're one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first blockchain to be compliant, you know, out of box

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<v Speaker 2>and make it as easy as possible for builders to

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<v Speaker 2>be compliant with the Clarity Acts. So then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes kind of like the very first environments where

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<v Speaker 2>institutions and different investors and different users will look at

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<v Speaker 2>it and say, hey, like this is a very easy

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<v Speaker 2>platform for us to be you know, touching within the

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<v Speaker 2>three world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it absolutely makes sense. You want to build the

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<v Speaker 1>pathways and the roadways for these institutions easily on board

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<v Speaker 1>and establish themselves in less friction over time, right, correct? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that? Well, let me back up, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's different legislation for different regions, like the EU has

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<v Speaker 1>the MEEKA regulations, the UK I think just put out something.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you prepared to handle the different jurisdictions because

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<v Speaker 1>Ejective global right global blockchain.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, it's just about conquering or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>approaching them like a region by region. So we just

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<v Speaker 2>released the make our white paper which allows us to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like kind of proceed with all the EU

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<v Speaker 2>like member countries, and then UK's on the list as

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<v Speaker 2>well as well as you know, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>different region It's a you know, it's a continuous, long

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<v Speaker 2>grind for us to approach every single jurisdiction given that

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<v Speaker 2>every one of them have kind of like their own process.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we're we're talking a long and we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to scale out of that process.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm assuming with the programmability of the injective blockchain,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be stable coins or tokenized assets, it can

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<v Speaker 1>be programmed to fit the respective jurisdiction based on their rules.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fascinating how to how that's all gonna work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why you know, we have a generalized blockchain

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, as far as your roadmap, what can

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<v Speaker 1>you share that's that's really on the roadmap for this year, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, you know, like for for the past year or two,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, for basically like for for for a

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<v Speaker 2>foreseeable rest of the year. It's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of theme around our WA tokenization, institutional adoption and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like engaging with different types of like institutions

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<v Speaker 2>and also like investor base, especially in the US, especially

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<v Speaker 2>at the precipice of you know, significant kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>regulatory clarity and regulatory changes. So that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>just a recurring, repeating theme. You're going to see like

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<v Speaker 2>major institutions kind of like tokenizing their assets on top

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<v Speaker 2>of injective. But and you know, one interesting surprise is

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<v Speaker 2>that we've actually been working on you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of really interesting and groundbreaking kind of consumer products so

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<v Speaker 2>that it becomes extremely palpable for the impact of all

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of like infrastructure and regulatory kind of regimes

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<v Speaker 2>that we've been working with to showcase you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>power of power of like blockchain or like power of crypto.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when it's completely under your rock, when it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a protests like fintech app.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So in the future, Eric, and I think you

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<v Speaker 1>alluded to it earlier, this technology will be running behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes. Consumers wouldn't necessarily need to know just that

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<v Speaker 1>their money, their assets. Everything settles faster and cheaper and

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<v Speaker 1>it and it's just this is powering the financial markets

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<v Speaker 1>and ecosystem. Correct. Wow, Eric, great stuff and enjoying the

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<v Speaker 1>summit so far, and thank you for putting this together

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<v Speaker 1>and looking forward to our next interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, appreciate it. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Trust also uses fidelity digital assets as well as fireblocks,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a closed loop system, so if someone accent

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<v Speaker 3>behind self custody, where you control the private keys and

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<v Speaker 3>within the custody account you could buy and sell twenty

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<v Speaker 4>knowing that you're getting the institutional grade custodial services. So

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<v Speaker 4>once again, two great products here from I Trust Capital,

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