WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.960 Oh, folks, it's showtime. 2 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:11.279 People say, good money to see this movie. When they 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.759 go out to a theater, they want cold sodas, hot popcorn, 4 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:18.600 and no monsters in the protection booth. Everyone pretend podcasting 5 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:19.199 isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:20.879 Got it off? 7 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.200 Hi, my name is Mike Myers. 8 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:54.280 Perhaps you recognize me from my recent motion picture Wayne's World. 9 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:56.560 Lax Lax. 10 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:59.119 As you can see, I'm on the set of my 11 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.600 new film, which I play a young fellow named Charlie 12 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.280 who gets a little more than he bargained for. 13 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:07.879 For example, there's suspense. 14 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:10.680 Have you heard of this case? 15 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:11.439 Missus X? 16 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:14.200 She murders her husband's on her honeymoon, then she changes 17 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:15.560 her identity and marries again. 18 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.239 I never heard of it, So what I think I'm dating? 19 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:18.920 Missus X? 20 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:23.480 The Justice Department reports an alarming rise at the number 21 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.159 of poisoning murders across the United States. 22 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.480 It's a smart. 23 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:30.040 Drink to improve your brain power. 24 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:39.760 You like it, Charlie, Thank you. No, there's action, Charlie. 25 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:41.640 There's something I've a meaning to tell you. 26 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.439 She's a killer, Charlie, she is not a killer. 27 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.760 And of course there's plenty of romance. 28 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:54.959 What do you look for in a girl you date. 29 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.799 I know everyone always says sense of humor that I'd 30 00:01:57.840 --> 00:01:59.599 really have to go with breast size. 31 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.040 You lying on your side, totally asleep. 32 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:02.640 I could just. 33 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:06.319 Sticking italy. 34 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.439 So as you can see, it has all the elements 35 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.439 of a truly great motion picture. 36 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:17.840 Oh did I mention. 37 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:18.719 The axe murder? 38 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:30.439 Hello, sweetheart, missed me darling. 39 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.759 Welcome to the Projection booth. I'm your host. 40 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:56.199 Mike White joined me once again as mister Mike Sullivan. 41 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:58.800 Hey, I'm happy to be here, happy to talk about 42 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.120 Mike Myers and his movies in the career. 43 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.240 Also joining us in the booth is miss Amy Nicholson. 44 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.759 Hello, I just realized how outnumbered by Mike's I am 45 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:08.000 to it. 46 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.919 Maybe so many Mikes this week we are mainlining the 47 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:17.039 nineties into our veins like a supermodel mainlining heroine with 48 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.599 Tommy Schlami's So I Married an Axe Murderer? Released in 49 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.479 nineteen ninety three. It's the rare appearance from comedian Mike 50 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.919 Myers where he's predominantly not in heavy prosthetic makeup and 51 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:28.719 doing a bit. 52 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:30.000 Instead, he's a. 53 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.520 Relatively normal San Francisco beat poet. In nineteen ninety three, 54 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.560 who's afraid of commitment. When he meets Nancy Travis as 55 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.439 Harriet Michaels, he tries to get over his fears until 56 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.280 he gets the idea that his new girlfriend may be 57 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:47.719 the titular ax murderer of the film. We will be 58 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:49.680 spoiling this movie as we go ahead, so if you 59 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:51.960 don't want anything ruin, please turn off the podcast and 60 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.400 come back after you've seen it. We will still be here. So, Mike, 61 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.479 when was the first time you saw so I married 62 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:59.240 an axe murderer? And what did you think? 63 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.520 I saw this, like went right to video and at 64 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:05.919 the time, remember I was kind of let down by 65 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.400 because I was a big Wayne's World guy, but kind 66 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.159 of like a Cohen Brothers movie. Like in a few years, 67 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.479 my opinion about it changed. But as I keep watching it, 68 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.120 my opinion keeps changing. I guess we'll get into that 69 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.600 when we get into it. But it's the latest time 70 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.079 I saw this. I wasn't as into it as I 71 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.360 was previous feelings and Amy, how about yourself? 72 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.240 This was a huge movie with me and my friends 73 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.319 when I was a kid, Like we were slumber party girls. 74 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.279 We do slumber parties and watch satura night Live at 75 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.959 that moment when Satura Night Live felt like the coolest 76 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:40.720 thing in culture when you're a little kid, and there's 77 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.199 never been anything like Adam Sandler before in Wayne's world 78 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.480 and all of this stuff, and it was half over 79 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.639 our heads. But so I married an ex murderer, maybe 80 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.199 because it had a romantic element too. We were just obsessed. 81 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.920 And I don't think I had realized and tell this 82 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.519 rewatch because I haven't seen it since I was did 83 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.560 I think that we quoted this movie endlessly, like every 84 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.319 single line in here. I forgot how deeply embedded it 85 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.560 was in our culture, like in my friend's culture at 86 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.959 least in San Antonio, Texas. Very specific, very much like 87 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:12.600 the way we talked for a while. 88 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.399 Yeah, my buddy and I used to quote the Charles 89 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:17.560 Brody scene a lot when I was in Bay School, 90 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.839 which I didn't realize until I rewatched that we used 91 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.040 to recite that scene a lot. That's just sort of 92 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:24.800 like creeped into the culture of this movie. 93 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.519 Yeah, Like when they started doing the slam poetry, I 94 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.240 had forgotten completely that there was slam poetry in this movie, 95 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.879 and then every single line of every single poem immediately 96 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.600 came back to me anyway. I don't remember the names 97 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.279 of some of my friend's children, but I know every 98 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:43.439 line of the poetry in this movie. 99 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:49.680 Oh man, whoa man? 100 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:51.920 She wasn't me. 101 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:56.040 You put a belief she stole my heart in my 102 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:06.399 cat Very Judy, Josie and those pots. They make me 103 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:10.560 morny Sata day, morny gold up Contuins. 104 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:12.399 Won't leave me at Ruins. 105 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:14.759 I want to be Betty's. 106 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:19.920 Barney, Hey, Jane, get me off this crazy thing. 107 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:22.079 Cold Love. 108 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:29.480 So that was back in ninety three. I think I 109 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:33.759 probably saw it again in ninety five somewhere around there, 110 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.000 and watching it again last night for the first time 111 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:41.720 in however three decades, I guess I was remembering pretty 112 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.279 much every line that was being said. Yes, the poems, 113 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.519 but especially the alan Arkins stuff. I just fell head 114 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.879 over heels for the whole alan ark and Anthony the 115 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.839 Paglia stuff that is going on in this film, and 116 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.240 I just absolutely love it. I'm sure I've probably sampled 117 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:01.680 it on the podcast before because whenever there's an opportunity 118 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:06.040 to talk about the hard boiled detective and his sergeant 119 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:09.240 or captain just riding his ass like crazy I'm sure 120 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.959 I've brought that whole thing into the show before. 121 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:13.720 But you too nice. 122 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:16.560 I'm too nice. 123 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.000 Yes, you're too nice. Why can't you be like the 124 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.879 captain of Stowski and Hodge, You know when you come 125 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:24.959 in and you haul me into your office and you 126 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.199 bawl me out because you're sick and tired of defending 127 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:29.560 my screwballed antis to the commissioner. Why did you do that? 128 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.160 Well, the truth of the matter is, I don't report 129 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:32.920 to a commissioner. 130 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:36.079 I report to a committee, some of whom are appointed. 131 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.480 Some elected, and the rest co opted on a biennial basis. 132 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:42.360 It's a quorum, so to speak. Quorum, Yeah, captain. 133 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:44.160 When I do in the police force, I thought that 134 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.759 I was gonna be Curvico, but instead Fish. 135 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:48.399 From Barney Miller. 136 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:51.839 Hey, somebody needs a hug. 137 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.319 I really like this movie, and I ain't even remember 138 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.000 it being a flop when it came out, But I 139 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.360 didn't realize just how bad of a flop was. 140 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.959 Yeah, I forgot. Like the critical reception on this was 141 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.879 so angry. I remember for a while it was like 142 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.959 a running gag in Entertainment Weekly where it would get 143 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.600 name checked in other like other movies they didn't like 144 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:16.800 for some reason. I remember the review of Its Packed 145 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:21.199 because there's a line in it that's so inexplicable where 146 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.680 it's like it's like they're paying homage to So I 147 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.120 married an axe murderer, which is like such a I 148 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.360 don't even know what they're getting acts. There's nothing really 149 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.960 in it that's even the like So I varied an 150 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.240 action murderer. Again, like, there's elements of this that didn't 151 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:38.919 hold up for me this time. But I think like 152 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:42.639 the reception was unfair. I think maybe because I think 153 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.720 a lot of critics were like, there's a backlash Wayne's World. 154 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:47.679 I think they were just there was maybe a degree 155 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.240 of overexposure Mike Myers, and they were looking for, you know, 156 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:55.159 chinking the armor, so to speak. And I think it 157 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.720 was unfair. I think the reception was unfair at that time. 158 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:00.159 You're bringing have something I think about a lot as 159 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:04.480 a film critic, because I see it happen when critics 160 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:06.879 decide that there's a movie that they're just gonna pick 161 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:10.000 on just ready and in a way that I find horrifying, 162 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:11.960 and this is a horrible movie to point to. Is 163 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.519 the ambassador of a film that was unjustly picked on 164 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.600 and for a bunch of reasons, and it the Kevin 165 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.799 Spacey movie Nine Lives, where Kevin Spacey plays a cat. Yes, 166 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:25.039 Kevin Spacey playing a cat, Honza reasons precancelation. But I 167 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.200 remember seeing that movie in a theater full of critics 168 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.480 and everyone was laughing and I had a good time 169 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.559 as a movie about a talking cat for children. And 170 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.639 then everyone went home and wrote a horrible review about it, 171 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.200 but me and I was like, what's your problem? I 172 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.799 heard y'all laughing, Like I heard y'all. But everybody's just 173 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:41.879 like I have an open door to write the meanest 174 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:43.559 thing I can and get away with it because nobody 175 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:45.720 expects this to be good. And I think a movie 176 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.480 with a title like this one kind of sets let off. 177 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.279 It's I never stew dump for the MoMA from the Train. 178 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:51.960 I assume it's bad because that was the kind of 179 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.919 tuttle people wanted to make fun of. Or this seems 180 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.360 like it was in that vain. We can mock this 181 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:58.399 because it sounds dumb. 182 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:03.600 Don't remember From the Train being awful. I remember not 183 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.200 liking it, But that was actually my first exposure to 184 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.120 strangers on a train. I had never seen strangers on 185 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:11.879 a train at that point, because I was pretty darn 186 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.159 and young when that came out, not strangers but through mama, 187 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.919 And yeah, this one has that same kind of hitchcock 188 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.759 thing that they're doing. Of course, being set in San Francisco, 189 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:25.240 you've got some Verdi goo in there. And then yeah, 190 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:30.080 this whole murder mystery, the wrongly convicted or wrongly accused 191 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.799 person going on, and you'll hear in the interviews later 192 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.039 on talk of oh no, we always meant it to 193 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.759 end this way. I don't really believe that, because I 194 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:43.440 went back I read the Robbie Fox short story that 195 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:45.320 this was based on, or might have been a treatment, 196 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.000 but he published it as in a collection of short stories. 197 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.279 Harriet's definitely the murderer in that one, and Charlie is 198 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.399 just I don't think he cares. By the end, he's 199 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.279 so happy to be with her. He is just eventually 200 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.200 she might kill me, but for now I'm having a 201 00:10:58.200 --> 00:10:58.679 great time. 202 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:01.960 I'm curious about that because I was reading about the 203 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.000 article and his version of it does not sound good. 204 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.759 There's no punch to it, like she's the murderer and 205 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.200 that's it. Like, how do they work around it. How 206 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.639 do they make that? When he was He's like, it 207 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.159 should have been done this way. And I kept thinking, 208 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.480 if this was a made in the eighties with like 209 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.519 Chevy Chase, this would be like forgotten, like unfaithfully yours, 210 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:24.480 you know, like that Double War movie, Like it just 211 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.679 has that here it is and no members. It sort 212 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:28.519 of vibe to it. 213 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.799 What was a basic instinct rip off, the kind of 214 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.200 jokey one fatal instinct. It would be like that. 215 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.320 Although they talked about doing an Albert Brooks version, which 216 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:41.480 I think that would be the other good version, Like 217 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.840 if that was made, I feel like he probably would 218 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.039 involve with like the screenwriting process, and that would have 219 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.480 I think that would have been something there. But the 220 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.360 other versions they just so trip Myyers at least, even 221 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.559 like I was reading that scripture sentence, like the cut 222 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.399 scenes were good, like the wax museum bit where there's 223 00:11:58.399 --> 00:11:59.960 like a wax esam and everyone looks like the own 224 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.399 Like I thought that was a funny little bit. Sorry 225 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.559 that wasn't in the movie. I like that he needed Myers, 226 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.639 they needed Myers, and I was a cursion mccle I 227 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:09.960 can't remember who did the other the Curd of Callers, 228 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.559 who did the other co writer on that with em 229 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.720 That was his partner. Oh what's his name? Norman? 230 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.840 Shoot, he's a guy who has the Swedish penis and 231 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:25.559 larger pump in the very first Austin Powers films Neil Malarkey. 232 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.600 And then you'll hear later on that this one of 233 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.120 the scenes that takes place in the butcher shop was 234 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.399 actually written or co written by Cohen and O'Brien, of 235 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:35.679 all people, I. 236 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.279 Was one of the movie because I read that too. 237 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:40.159 He was, but his piece was credited. That's okay, that's interesting. 238 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:40.519 Yeah. 239 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.120 And wasn't Carrie Fisher involved? 240 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.279 Yeah for a second, she definitely was. And I don't 241 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.399 know how much of that stuff stayed in there, but 242 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.159 it's very curious to see how this changed, especially because 243 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.600 this is it's like the primordial Mike Myers one of 244 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.200 the first movies that we get where he's playing multiple characters, 245 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.480 because I don't believe he did that. In Wayne's World. 246 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.639 It's the first time we hear him really doing and 247 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.559 I know he did this on SNL, but in the 248 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.159 movies doing the whole Scottish accent thing. So there you 249 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:15.080 go with fat Bastard plus Shrek and then as his father, 250 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:19.759 as this Scottish character Stewart Mackenzie. He's talking all about 251 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.600 the Pentaborate and it's okay. All of this stuff from 252 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.600 the Pentaverate shows up in what was that twenty twenty 253 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.120 two with the Pentaverrate show on Netflix? So it's like 254 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.679 you just get these little pieces of where he would 255 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.039 be going with stuff. I know some people could say 256 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.399 he just doesn't let a joke die, but I think 257 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.320 some of these are just really good bits that he 258 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.320 wants to work out as he goes for. 259 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.399 Yeah, even the whole father element, even the playing of 260 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:47.639 his father. Like he's talked a lot about how Austin 261 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.399 Powers was his kind of love letter to his fatherhood passed, 262 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.240 and that his dad was that kind of old school guy. 263 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.679 He loved his old school stuff, loved his old school comedies, 264 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:57.480 and he made Austin Powers as like a salute to 265 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.600 the things his dad loved. And I feel like you 266 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:01.600 feel it here. I think his dad's still alive when 267 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:03.080 you make so I married an ex murder a guy 268 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:06.679 kind of hooking fun at his dad's mitchiese Mo figuring 269 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:08.960 out what parts of it he's gonna use inside his 270 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:09.639 own comedy. 271 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:13.240 Yeah, I think even the one of the opening credits 272 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.519 is listed as Eric's Boy production, and that's He's Eric's boy. 273 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.440 And of course, like the God the Father stuff in 274 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.240 the third Austin Powers movie, it's off the charts as 275 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.320 far as Dandy didn't love me and all this stuff, 276 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:26.960 it's low. I know you're working out a lot of 277 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:27.679 issues here. 278 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.919 I did also get like a flash of my own 279 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.519 kind of guilt watching the Father scenes here because and 280 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:36.919 I'm so sorry about this. This is my public apology. 281 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.480 By the time I was in high school, the heat 282 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.080 joke had made it into my friend group's culture so 283 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:43.960 deeply that there was a guy at our school that 284 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.559 everybody called Heed because he did have a big head, 285 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.960 and people called him Heed all through high school, just 286 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.200 to the point that I almost forgot where it came from. 287 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.639 And I feel very bad watching this. I'm I would 288 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:57.399 say apologies to the person's name in person, but I 289 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:59.279 don't want to call them out if they've forgotten the trauma. 290 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:02.159 But like total flash of guilt watching the Head and 291 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:02.919 it was awful. 292 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.799 Well, I'm sure he hasn't forgotten is Heed. Their other 293 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:10.919 son who is this kid, because I even went through 294 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.840 and read the script and I was like, it just 295 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.799 says young William or whatever his real name is, And 296 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.600 I'm like, where did this kid come from? 297 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:21.240 Myers his brother, the character's brother. I always wondering the relation, 298 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.799 what the relationship was. But yeah, not only it's his brother, Yeah, but. 299 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.840 They treat him like he's some orphan they took off 300 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:29.879 the street to do the dishes. It's very much like 301 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:31.279 an Oliver Toys kind of thing. 302 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:32.320 Yeah. 303 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.360 I don't want to start thinking about how old the 304 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.399 mom was when she gave birth to Heed, but it 305 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.759 must not have been an easy berth, I imagine, especially 306 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.399 if it was Breach with that big head coming out. 307 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.320 I wonder if there's Mike Myers in Heed, if he 308 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.559 felt like ad Well. 309 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.360 But mine with a loan. I mean, I was, you know, 310 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:51.559 like I never considered that. 311 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:53.279 Yeah, so painful. 312 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.159 But to your point about like Mike Myers in this film, 313 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.200 I think it's fascinating to watch him present himself not 314 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.279 as the guy getting but as the straight man, the 315 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.399 normal guy. He's just like Tom Cruise in this movie. 316 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.559 He's got the Ray bans On, he's got like generic 317 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.440 nineties guy open shirt, black tank top, black shirt underneath it, 318 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.000 Like I've never seen him look this normal, and I 319 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:17.840 have the confidence, I would say, to look normal, like 320 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:19.960 he doesn't need to put on an act to be funny. 321 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.399 This is actually what didn't work for me this time. 322 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.320 When I was watching this, I'm thinking, I don't think 323 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.200 he has the ability to play a person. He's coming 324 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:34.080 off almost like an asshole at times in this movie, 325 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:38.279 Like he's very peevish, He's like pissy and scenes, and 326 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.000 I was getting like a sense of uncomfortability from him 327 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:43.600 that he was like I think the only time he 328 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:45.080 was probably at home was when he was in the 329 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.039 LATEX playing his own father. Like to me, he never 330 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.919 he never worked for me anyway, playing like a like 331 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.519 a like a straight man, like a normal person. I 332 00:16:57.519 --> 00:16:59.600 think he can only feel comfortable. He only works when 333 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:04.119 he's playing characters or caricatures. I saw him do like 334 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.640 some There was a movie called Terminal I just saw 335 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.160 him and not too long ago. I mean he was 336 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.599 trying to play heavy in it, and for years I thought, 337 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.640 you know, I think he'd have like good dramatic chops, 338 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:17.640 Like I think he could pull off being a dramatic actor. 339 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.000 I think he could play heavies and he just didn't, 340 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.400 you know, he couldn't do it like he was really hammy, 341 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.720 and it was almost like he was doing an SNL character. 342 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.599 And that's the issue I had watching it this time. 343 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.319 Like everything else about this, I love, like, I love, 344 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.880 you know, the big parts with Michael Richards, I love 345 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:40.400 the parts with Phil Hartman playing Vicky. I love Alan 346 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.039 Ark and Alan Ark it's really funny in this. Charles Roden, 347 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.359 Stephen Wright, the side bits, Anthony Lapoulia Anti Travis is 348 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.119 good in this for me. The weakest link in this 349 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.319 way for me this time was just Myers. I feel 350 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.559 like I'm the the outsider on this, and that's fine, 351 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:00.839 you know. I just I think people or can disagree 352 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.480 and that's okay. But I think you guys are fans 353 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:04.960 of that. I don't want to I don't want to 354 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:06.559 piss on that. I don't want to shit on that. 355 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:06.839 You know. 356 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:09.200 I mean, I hear you like, I would never want 357 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:12.519 to date this Charlie. You know now that I'm like, 358 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.400 oh what every day Charlie. Charlie's an absolute mess and 359 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.279 oh my god, he takes his ex girlfriends and puts 360 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:19.119 their face up in public and then makes fun of 361 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.079 them and accuses none of stealing his cat. Yeah, I 362 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.039 hear you. I'm kind of two minds of it, which 363 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:27.440 is like absolutely fair. And when he whenever he's like 364 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.559 I'm a normal person, I definitely am rejecting that, like, no, 365 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.200 you're not. I know, you're a total weirdo. But also 366 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.960 his little bits of business are the movie to me 367 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.680 in so many ways, you know, like there, I don't 368 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:40.920 think this movie sticks in your brain without him being 369 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:43.880 like hello, or the way he taps on a check 370 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.720 or just like it's the way he fills a scene 371 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.200 with little fidgety ways of pronouncing stuff. Let me ask 372 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.200 you this one. What about the romantic element? Do you 373 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.799 buy the romance between him and Nancy? 374 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.319 No, I've never really bought any romantic element in any 375 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.400 of his movie. To me, almost like a female lead 376 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:05.920 in like Mike Myers movie is like a tier above 377 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.480 and Adam Sandler female lead and Am Sandler movie, I 378 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.839 think they have a little more to do, but not 379 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.759 by much. And anytime there's a romance and I just 380 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.000 and it gets more and more unbelievable as it goes along, 381 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.319 especially in the love googroup. But no, I never really 382 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:23.519 bought it. I think I don't know what it is, 383 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:25.519 but I've never been able to buy it. 384 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.920 Yeah, I'm okay with him as the romantically and I 385 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:34.240 mean it follows such a typical romance trajectory through this 386 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:38.839 whole movie, the whole like, Okay, they have their oh 387 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:43.839 I'm sorry, guys, their meat cute and that spelt eat. Yeah, 388 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.160 so sorry, they have their meat cute, the whole scene 389 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.559 later on where he comes in and helps her out 390 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.240 at the meet counter and everything. And I do like 391 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:55.839 that old guy that's been in like American Graffiti and 392 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.279 Jack who just always seems to hang out in San Francisco, 393 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.480 especially when transis for Coupolo. There he's at the meet 394 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.160 counter just trying to get his very thinly slice steak. 395 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:06.440 You know. 396 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:09.000 Yeah, I like that whole thing. And then there's like, oh, 397 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.559 then there's the misunderstanding and listen, I'm sorry in those things. 398 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.960 But of course, like if someone were to accuse me 399 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.839 of being a murderer, I don't know if I would 400 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.640 necessarily take them back as readily. But of course we're 401 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.839 in fantasyland, we're in the movies. But yeah, I kind 402 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:24.720 of see where what you're saying as far as like 403 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:26.960 not buying it, but it just follows such a typical 404 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.000 pattern that I'm like, Okay, yeah, now they're going to 405 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:31.799 have to make up. Now they're going to have this part. 406 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.200 So just you know, it went by the numbers for me. 407 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:37.200 I mean, I think she's so charming. 408 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.839 Oh she's adorable too. Oh my god. 409 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:43.960 I know that they thought about casting Sharon Stone in 410 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.480 this in two roles. And this is not a diss 411 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:47.039 on Sharon Stone, who I think can be a great 412 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:51.359 actress at all. But you need that soft adorableness. You 413 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.039 need to believe that this girl would date this guy, 414 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.480 which I believe that Harriet's weird enough that she's open 415 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:58.359 to him, and she's into a guy who'd be kind 416 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:02.480 of annoying. I believe that their weirdness works. But also, 417 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.720 my boyfriend and I are like incredibly weird and dorky in 418 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:06.920 ways that this is like when he did human blanket 419 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:08.440 on her when she was mad at him, I was like, 420 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:12.680 oh no, that's way too similar to my own relationship. 421 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:15.519 I like a movie where the romance is about them 422 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.720 goofing around, of being kids together, that they're on this wavelength. 423 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:20.880 But yeah, I think if it was like she thinks 424 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:23.759 he's sexy, absolutely not like if it's like I want 425 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.640 this guy and we don't have this weird bonding childhood 426 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:29.160 thing in common, I couldn't go Forrid either. 427 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:34.359 I wish like Nancy Travis did like weirder stuff like this. 428 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.559 I mean, I think the only other weird goofy thing 429 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.079 she did was Anbernice on Duckman Like she never really 430 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.839 she always seemed to just play Land characters. But I 431 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.559 think she was way more than that. It's a shame 432 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.359 she never really got to, you know, stretch a little more. 433 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.200 Yeah, because she's up for it right, Like she can 434 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:54.400 do funny but also seem like a human being in 435 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:55.119 the same time. 436 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.279 And it's very interesting to see her and her goofiness 437 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.039 comparing to her sister Rose and her just I don't 438 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:05.720 think it's goofy. I think it's just weird. And casting 439 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.839 Amanda Plumber to play a weird person one hundred percent, 440 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:11.759 I think she does it so well. But it was 441 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:14.359 very interesting going through some of the deleted scenes last 442 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:18.039 night and just being like, Okay, she's way more off 443 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.960 the reservation in those deleted scenes than we see in 444 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.079 the movie. And they just have to use her in 445 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.240 the right amounts in this film or else it's going 446 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:26.880 to tip way the other way, and you're going to 447 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.119 be like, well, of course Nancy Travis is one hundred 448 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:34.680 percent innocent. It's this crazy sister of hers. But luckily 449 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.720 they don't show her being too crazy too often in 450 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.799 the film, just a little off in that whole, like, well, 451 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:42.720 I'm going to have to tell my sister about this thing, 452 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:45.880 and it's like, what tell her about what? Yeah, I 453 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.440 was getting a lot of single white female vibes when 454 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:50.559 I was watching her performance. 455 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:50.799 Yeah. 456 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.400 They almost make her disappear from the movie at the end, 457 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.000 so you forget that she's there. I don't remember her 458 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.880 doing much at the wedding or anything. It's like she's 459 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.200 in the montage and then she's gone, so that you're 460 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.359 not like it's obviously that person. That person is obviously 461 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.240 the crackpot. I was really caught up that this movie 462 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.240 was talking about what is it like when your parents 463 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.440 are getting into fake news. This movie came out before 464 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.559 Fox News. Fox News wasn't a thing for like three 465 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.160 more years. I think it started in ninety six and 466 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.720 this is ninety three. But this is about your parents 467 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:24.240 are conspiracy theorists, You too are a bit conspiracy Your 468 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.839 mother calls Weekly World News the paper. I loved Weekly 469 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:29.519 World News, by the way, as a kid, I read 470 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:30.440 it religiously. 471 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:35.440 Oh yeah, the ever evolving adventures of bat Boy and 472 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.039 just what Elvis was up to. I mean, especially there 473 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:40.160 was that summer where there are allowed of shark attacks, 474 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.119 so reading all about the different shark attacks and Weekly 475 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:47.000 World News was oh yeah, it was gold. The journalism 476 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.240 in there was just incredible. I mean, and this is 477 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.559 still like a few years before Men in Black where 478 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.119 they're openly making fun of it as well, right, or 479 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.000 was this right around the same time a few years 480 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.839 before they were yeah, okay, yeah, so they would go 481 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.039 and pick up the paper in that and be like, oh, yeah, 482 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.839 here's all the facts are even like that TV show 483 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:07.359 The Chronicle where it was all about like a weekly 484 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.240 world News type newspaper, and yet of course all the 485 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.880 stories are real. They're basically like X files type reporters. 486 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.079 I mean, I wonder if that warped our brains. 487 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.119 Yeah, it is very interesting the way that Stuart is 488 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:23.920 there drawing on about the Pentaverate, just like he was 489 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.319 talking about the ILLUMINATIU. I'm surprised he doesn't talk about 490 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:30.319 the Rothschilds. Instead, it's all about Colonel Sanders instead. And 491 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:31.599 Colonel Sanders. 492 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:32.960 Just like you mentioned Lindon LaRouche. 493 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:36.480 Yes, yeah, Colonel Sanders. Because Colonel Standers shows up in 494 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.599 the Pentaverate several times. And there's even a scene at 495 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.319 the wedding where they're dancing, and I swear there's a 496 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.880 guy in the orchestra who looks exactly like Colonel Sanders, 497 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.799 but they cut past it so quickly. I was like, 498 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:50.720 I wonder if that was part of a bigger joke. 499 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:51.759 Wow, have you. 500 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:53.440 Guys ever met any Lindon Larusians. 501 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:55.680 There was a guy when I lived in Bloomsburg. He 502 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:58.920 used to stand in the corner and he would have 503 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:02.079 like Lyndon LaRouche like pamphlets and he would just like 504 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.839 shout conspiracy theories. He did this for like years. It 505 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.759 was like every Saturday morning he would do this. But 506 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.599 that was the only and this was like, this was 507 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:11.519 like the early adds. 508 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:13.680 Yeah, the early odds thing. 509 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.480 Yeah, it's it. I guess that. Maybe is are there 510 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:19.839 any Laruche sites still around? I guess there is, but 511 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:21.799 maybe not as many. I don't know. 512 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.759 I don't know. I remember meeting a Larucian when I 513 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.920 first moved to LA and I didn't know what they were. 514 00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.160 And they had a bunch of like nice Larusians my 515 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.720 age who were out in Santa Monica and they just 516 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:37.039 acted normal. And one of them befriended me in a 517 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.039 way where I had just moved to town and he 518 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:40.680 was like, oh, you're going out of town for the weekend. 519 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:41.640 I was, I just moved here and I was going 520 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:43.799 to go back to back home for a weekend. He 521 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.119 offered to pick me up from the airport, this guy 522 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.839 who was a Lucian named Sky, and I let him 523 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:50.559 pick me up from the airport because I didn't really 524 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.519 know what I was getting in for. And then the 525 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.799 way back he was telling me all about how mosquitoes 526 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.559 are giving people HIV and telling me all these conspiracy 527 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:00.559 theories and I was like, okay, and I ever talked 528 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.799 to him again, but thank you for the ride. 529 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:03.279 Sky. 530 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.880 Oh why would you cut off the contact with this person? 531 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:08.160 He sounds wonderful. 532 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:10.799 Yeah, the things you do in you're any like early 533 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.279 twenties and don't understand. 534 00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:15.960 One of my favorite cab rides was a guy who 535 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.759 was telling me all about how we can teleport to 536 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:26.160 Mars and that Obama had made a contract with the 537 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.000 Martians that they wouldn't teleport down here and attack us. 538 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:31.799 And the crazy thing was I. 539 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.160 Was telling somebody about this and I was like, oh yeah, 540 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:36.799 this was this absolute nutty cab driver. 541 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:38.400 And then I went out and I. 542 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:40.759 Like just googled it for shitts and giggles to see 543 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:43.599 if somebody else had that same conspiracy theory. It was 544 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.839 such a thing that they had to go. The freaking 545 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.279 press person from the White House went in front of 546 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:52.480 the whole core and was like, just so you know, 547 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.079 President Obama doesn't teleport to Mars. And I'm like, oh 548 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.359 my god, Like you had to address it. 549 00:26:58.359 --> 00:26:59.359 It was that much. 550 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.960 These days, it's like, okay, yeah, you could that that 551 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.519 crazy blond lady that's in there now. I'm like, yeah, 552 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.519 come on out, tell me that Trump doesn't teleport. Tomorrow's 553 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:09.559 he probably thinks he does. 554 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:10.559 I mean it away. 555 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:14.599 This movie's psychic about our country falling apart in terms 556 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.440 of conspiratorial thinking. I mean, I wouldn't mind if the 557 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:18.880 trade off was we get to hang out at cool 558 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:19.559 coffee shops. 559 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:20.119 Like that at night. 560 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.119 But it's just amazing that he can make a living 561 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.480 being a beat poet, because like I kept waiting for 562 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.680 him to do like a day job, but he doesn't 563 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:29.480 have a day job. 564 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:31.960 I guess in the script they explained in a way 565 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.359 that he works in a bookstore, but they don't really 566 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.000 touch upon that in the movie. 567 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:40.799 Yeah, no, no, because he's like ready to go and 568 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.000 help her out whenever. 569 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:43.079 He needs to. 570 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:48.480 Didn't I hear that what's the famous bookstore in San Francisco? Powells? 571 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.039 Oh yeah, yeah, that city Lights wouldn't let them film there. 572 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.640 That maybe they meant to have him be because this 573 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.599 is such a love letter San Francisco, that maybe they 574 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.079 meant to have him work at city Lights and then 575 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.599 city Lights so they didn't think there's anything funny about murder, 576 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:02.400 so they wouldn't let them do it. 577 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.400 Oh, Lawrence fur Lengetti, come on, get over yourself. 578 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:07.279 Yeah. 579 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.359 I think that was the opening scene, right, is when 580 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.519 people are coming into city Lights and he's trying to 581 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.640 do a poem or something, and everybody that comes in 582 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.640 is like, where can I buy on the road by 583 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.039 Jack Harrowac And he's like over here, so just keeps 584 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:21.680 trying to go through that. Yeah, that was the only 585 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.519 time where it's like, oh, he actually does have a job. 586 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:24.000 All right. 587 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.200 This really made me miss San Francisco, didn't it? This 588 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.960 version of San Francisco that doesn't quite exist anymore. 589 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.359 Was it affordable, even that version of San Francisco even then? 590 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.279 Or I think I had like what two or three 591 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.319 more years before it went totally off the rails. Wasn't 592 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.440 tech just starting It's. 593 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:42.039 A good question. 594 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:46.759 Yeah, probably in nineteen ninety three. I mean, but already, like, 595 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.720 wasn't Pacific Heights all about how tough it was to 596 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.680 find an apartment in San Francisco? Yeah, I mean, you're right. 597 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.039 I remember by the late nineties I had some friends 598 00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.359 who went there for college and they're like, no, it's 599 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.680 too much. It felt like that was the first city 600 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.640 to get too expensive. 601 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.559 And yes, some of these locations, some of the beautiful, 602 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.079 beautiful shots of the city. I mean, I love their 603 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.400 breakup scene that takes place in when is that the 604 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.880 I can't remember the Arches or whatever park that is 605 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.839 where you can see the painted ladies and quite tower 606 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:19.960 in the back, and it's just, oh, it's such a 607 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:21.000 stunning shot. 608 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.839 It really catches the vibe that I wanted my twenties 609 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:26.599 to be like, which is hanging out at coffee shops 610 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.759 with my friends. I mean this came out what the 611 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.759 year before friends? Yeah, it came at the year before Friends. 612 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:36.640 So there's like coffee shop twenty something culture that just 613 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:37.759 felt so cool. 614 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:42.839 With your giant cappuccino, giant cappuccino, giant apartments too. Everybody 615 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:46.119 lives in these big, big apartments. I mean the one 616 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.880 that Rose and Harriet are in, it just seems to 617 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.839 go on forever. Some of the artwork on their walls, 618 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.559 it's really interesting too, And I just I was so 619 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.359 curious as far as, again more of like what they do. 620 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.359 I know what Harriet does for a living, she's a butcher, 621 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.759 but like, what does Rose do? I would love to 622 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.119 know more about that. And there is again in the 623 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.839 deleted scenes, stuff about her photography and that she's an artist. 624 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:13.079 So I'm like, oh, okay, so that explained some of 625 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.440 these art pieces I see on the walls behind them 626 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:16.039 all the time. 627 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:17.839 That makes sense. 628 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.880 Yeah, apparently she does a lot of bondage photography. And 629 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.480 there's even a scene where I think Lapagli comes in. Sorry, 630 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.119 Tony comes in and she's completely covered in blood and 631 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.119 she's wearing that same white outfit that we see her 632 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.039 stalking him in on the rooftop at the end, and 633 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.680 she's like doing a whole photo series and I'm like, okay, 634 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:41.359 that's interesting. 635 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:41.640 Again. 636 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.640 It's like you think, well, yeah, this person's crazy, but 637 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.880 then it's like, well, no, actually she's an artist, so 638 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.960 maybe it's you know, she's just doing her art this way. 639 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.680 I'm sorry they cut that gag, although I can I 640 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.440 understand why they cut it because it kind of kills 641 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.359 the momentum, but it was a pretty good gag, you know, 642 00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:58.160 Sorry to see it go. 643 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.240 Yeah, well, yeah, a lot more to do in that 644 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.559 final version with the Also, she is the one you're 645 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.079 talking amy as far as what she does at the wedding. 646 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.720 You get to see her in that tartan and everything. 647 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.799 But there's also a moment where she goes up and 648 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:19.599 takes a picture of Harriet, and there's this whole subplot 649 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.359 in there about how Harriet and Rose's father was a 650 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.160 photographer and took so many pictures of Harriet when she 651 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.319 was growing up that she just is like, no more pictures. 652 00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.519 I will not post for a picture, ever, and so 653 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.200 Rose comes up during the wedding and takes a photo 654 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.000 of her and Charlie and Harriet's incensed, and then that 655 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.000 becomes the photo. And I think we actually see that 656 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.559 in the movie that the Piley has that he's showing 657 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.920 around and has that photocopy of it and is showing 658 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:48.920 it to people and they're like, oh, yeah, I remember her. 659 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.200 That's the only photographic evidence they have, is that. And 660 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.519 so you also get to see the Piley going to 661 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.000 Rose and asking for photos and then she shows them 662 00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.839 his her art photo and he finally gets that photo 663 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.359 apparently so he can make those copies of it. 664 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.440 Oh that's interesting, because yeah, there's something very pre Internet 665 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.960 about nobody knowing what this person looks like, the ability 666 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:13.640 to disappear. 667 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.720 This whole movie is set up in such a way 668 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.200 that you can just take stuff out without any sort 669 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.720 of real recompense. Like there scenes definitely will build on 670 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.240 each other here and there, but like you know, you 671 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:31.039 mentioned Phil Hartman as Vicky, that whole scene of them 672 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.759 going to Alcatraz really could just be completely wiped out 673 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.960 of this film, but it's one of the most delightful 674 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:38.680 scenes that we have That's. 675 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.039 What I was saying before. A lot of my favorite 676 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.039 parts sire the smaller bits, you know, like the side bits, 677 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.319 you know, and you can see that in like Mike 678 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.160 Myers's career, like there's always small bits, but it became 679 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.640 a certain point where the small bits started to repeat themselves. 680 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.319 That's why I like the small bits in this movie. 681 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.359 They're all fresh, you know, they're not you know, like 682 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.440 not thirteen variations on a penis joke. You know it. 683 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.599 There's a lot I like about this movie, and I 684 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.279 especially love the small bits. And you know, you know 685 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:05.960 what's funny. I don't know if you guys knew this. 686 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.160 Mike Myers wanted to be a member of the Kids 687 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.640 in the Hall? Did you manage that? Really? 688 00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:11.680 And no? 689 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.000 Yeah, he he I was reading interview with this guy. 690 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.279 He talked about it and he desperately wanted to be 691 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.759 in the Kids in the Hall And it's hey, I 692 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.160 don't know about you guys. She can't picture him as 693 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:24.440 a member. I don't know if he was going to 694 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.559 be like a sixth member or he'd like swap out 695 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.440 like a Mark McKinney or a Bruce McCullough. I just 696 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.960 can't picture him and the kids in the hall. You know, 697 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.000 I don't know about you guys. 698 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:36.720 It's hard. It's like part of me wants to say, 699 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.880 because I'm picturing the Mike Myers that as I imagined 700 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:40.799 him today, that he's not like a team player. Then 701 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.759 I'm like, but he came out of Signate Live, obviously 702 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.000 he can be a team player. 703 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.799 Yeah, it's it's it's like unusual, just like it's like 704 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.160 a weird alternate reality where he's like a member of 705 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.039 the kids in the hall. I think about this a lot, 706 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:51.519 you know. 707 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.880 Yeah, to your point, Namy, it feels a lot of 708 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.440 times like he's selfish when it comes to his comedy, 709 00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.319 but then he does get the hell out of the way, 710 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.519 especially in the movie like this with Tony and Charlie's 711 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.799 mother and like that whole scene could just be again 712 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.679 completely dropped of her making out with Tony and you know, 713 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.880 it's just him, Mike Meyers standing by watching this stuff, 714 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.440 so it's not like he's even doing that. And I 715 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.400 this got really old after a while in the movie Hello, 716 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.880 It's like, no, we don't need to hear that one 717 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:22.400 more time. 718 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.480 There's even something generous in when he's like driving by 719 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.719 the butcher shop and you see Harriet outside and like 720 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.960 the Dutchman hat, the flying Dutchman hat. Like you could 721 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.880 just take the female character and make her basic pretty, 722 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.000 but he lets her be interesting too, And I think 723 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.360 that is actually incredibly generous. It's not just like I 724 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.079 found this hot lady. It's like I found this hot, 725 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:46.159 weird lady. 726 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.320 To have the little bits like you were talking about 727 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.519 with the Charles Groden stuff, they Stephen Wright stuff, even 728 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.559 Alan Arkin. Alan Arkin doesn't even need to be in 729 00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.679 this movie, but he's my favorite part of it. 730 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.920 Here from the boys upstairs, you've been sticking your nose 731 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.320 in a Ralph Elliott case. Yes, captain don't, Yes, Captain 732 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:06.719 me stay out of this. 733 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.559 This is strictly homicide. You, Captain, I got this friend. 734 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:10.840 We all got these friends. 735 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.119 I'm mourning you. Jidino, back off. 736 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.400 Italian boy, keep away from this one. 737 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.039 It's too big for you. What's the news, Oh you 738 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.440 want to hear the news. Well, here's the news. 739 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:23.679 It seems that the old lady that confessed to the 740 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.239 murder of Ralph Elliott has. 741 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:26.880 Also confessed to a couple of other murders. 742 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.679 I knew she would, Yeah, right, Well, she's confessed to 743 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.679 the murders of Abraham Lincoln, Warren g Harding. 744 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.199 And Julius Caesar. She's a not case. I'm not case. 745 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.440 Oh my god, I gotta go. 746 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.199 You screwed this one up, pal, and you'll be writing 747 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:43.599 parking tickets for the rest of your life. 748 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:48.119 You got that, Captain, I want about you down. 749 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.320 All of these side characters that we're talking about ultimately 750 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.679 makes such a huge impact. I mean, this is one 751 00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:00.000 of those successful post UHF acting gigs by Michael Richards. 752 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.760 He's only in the movie for five minutes, but god 753 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.840 damn is it funny, and I just love the way 754 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.320 that he misconstrues stuff and they just go on from there. 755 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.440 Yeah, because I think the worst kind of comedy, which 756 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.400 I think he's definitely guilty of, like in Oh for 757 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.679 the Love Girl, for sure. Well, I mean, granted, I've 758 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.079 only seen that movie once. Who knows, Maybe it's better 759 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.920 than I remember, but I remember being so miserable. He 760 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.239 has the ability to play a whole movie with that 761 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.920 kind of anis stinker thing, you know, like ani s stinker. 762 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.440 I'm walking through this world and everyone's laughing at me. 763 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.719 I'm the center I'm the star. There is I think 764 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.320 such a sharing bit here, you know, even when he 765 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.679 is like going over the newspaper with like with Anthony 766 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.159 Napagia and they're talking about how her ex husband was 767 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.480 a crooner, like letting Anthony Paglia be the character who 768 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.800 calls it a kroner. Just that tidy little bit of 769 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.719 like verbal humor in here, him having a moment to 770 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.239 be funny, Like it's smart. I love how this movie 771 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.440 it plays with language, honestly, Like, I think part of 772 00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.920 why it's so quotable is that little attention to details, 773 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.440 not just I have stupid teeth on. It's like I'm smitten, 774 00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.159 I'm in deep smit. You know that just sticks in 775 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.159 your brain or I'm unrejecting you. The little things that 776 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.679 just I don't know, they hooked into me. 777 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.800 I mean, how stupid was that line from Stewardest film? 778 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.800 Was it called up in the air? Just thinking about 779 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.679 that today, Yeah, where he shows up and he talks about. 780 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.920 You put the wrong emphastist on the wrong salable. 781 00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:28.880 I still quote that today, you know, all these years 782 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.920 later and it's like, Okay, one of my favorite little bits. 783 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.159 And he's in the movie for what five minutes if 784 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.400 that view from the top that was an thank you, 785 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:37.880 thank you. 786 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:38.159 Yeah. 787 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.599 Up in the air is a whole different thing, that's right. 788 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:44.719 That's a whole George Clooney firing people thing, I believe, right. 789 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:46.880 Oh, I was confusing on with the air up there. 790 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.519 That Kevin Bacon basketball movie. Oh my god. Yeah no. 791 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.320 I love the play of the language stuff as fantastic 792 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.840 well as well. And it's really interesting too, because a 793 00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.679 lot of these scenes like reshot stuff. I was so 794 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.320 surprised it took a lot for me to find the 795 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.320 There is a I guess it's a four K blu 796 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.159 ray of so I married an X murder that has 797 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.239 about half an hour of deleted scenes. 798 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:11.000 Dummy me. 799 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.400 I didn't realize that I didn't have a four K player, 800 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.159 so I had upgrade my entire system. Doing this episode 801 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:17.320 has cost me a lot of money. 802 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.039 Guys, upgraded your entiresis simably a four K of So 803 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.000 I married an. 804 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.880 X murderer just so I could see those deleted scenes 805 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.119 and see that so many of those scenes were basically redone, 806 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.400 like the whole thing of him with that giant cup 807 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.840 of cappuccino that was a reshoot like there was a 808 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.679 whole other version of that, and that's when he and 809 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.599 the Paglia actually meet Debbie Mazar and her friend who 810 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.559 would never see again in this version of the movie, 811 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.159 and they're just like laughing their asses off about the 812 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.880 whole like, oh, would you join me in a cup 813 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.880 of cappuccino? We could both go swimming and hear hello, 814 00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.320 like those kind of stupid things. Okay, well, that was 815 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.679 interesting that she showed up earlier, and then we had 816 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:05.840 this whole thing of the cappuccino and then even like 817 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:10.679 they're the very first date that Harriet and Charlie go 818 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.599 on where he's talking about like I you know a 819 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.920 lot of people say this, but I say breast size, 820 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.440 Like again, that's all completely reshot. And I don't know 821 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.960 if that's because of him and Tommy SHLAMI not getting 822 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.079 along in this whole thing that you guys will hear 823 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.039 about in the interview. And I think they even wrote 824 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.880 about it in some of the articles. What's he called it, 825 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.840 like lay down tracks, one Eyed Jacks or something like that, 826 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:35.559 where it's like all comedy has to be shot head on, 827 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.360 you kind of shoot comedy in three quarters. And I'm 828 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.320 like Okay, that's a weird flex man. I've never heard 829 00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:41.920 that before. 830 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.880 Like his rules were like you have to like let 831 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.000 the joke breathe, you have to hit via indirectly. You 832 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.039 can't do funny shots. It's like, where are you getting this? 833 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:52.880 This is the and it was the craziest thing you have. 834 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.360 The camera's on the star, I'm the star. It's like 835 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.039 this very bizarre idea of filmmaking. 836 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.679 It's two but it is weird when I think about 837 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.920 it that when I picture so I'm Mary an axe murder. 838 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.239 In my mind, I do picture a good looking movie, 839 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:09.239 and I don't know if I'm seeing to see. I 840 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.000 would say it's like a beautiful looking movie, but I 841 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.639 picture shadows and production design in a way that I 842 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.079 don't always picture with the comedy. 843 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.079 No, these sets, like for their the parents' house or 844 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.679 the apartments I was talking about, they all look real. 845 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.159 They all looked very lived in, pretty dingy at times, 846 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.400 which is a great thing because I hate movies where 847 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.320 everything looks like it just got a fresh coat of paint. Yeah, 848 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.159 everything looks really good, and especially some of the chachkes 849 00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:37.480 around the Mackenzie's house, where you've got like little Scottie 850 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.199 Dogs and just all that, you know, his whole wall 851 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.199 of Scottish fame and stuff. It's just like, yeah, this 852 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.320 is great. You're doing such a good job with this. 853 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.119 And even like those little site gags like of Charlie 854 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.320 going into the bathroom and closing the door and there's 855 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.880 the dart board with the Queen on it, and I'm like, 856 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:54.800 that's nice. 857 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.360 It feels thoughtful, doesn't it When you watch a move 858 00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.400 and you can feel that every scene was really combed 859 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.480 over it and thought about, from the production design to 860 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.440 the jokes to what the people are doing, and it 861 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.920 doesn't happen in a lot of movies. 862 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:07.519 I don't know. 863 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:08.880 I think about this a lot, like I start a 864 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.000 movie and do I trust it or not? And trust 865 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:13.119 it comes from kind of immediately getting that sense of 866 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.840 like they map this out, somebody really planned this, and 867 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.639 that doesn't mean there can't be happy accidents and they 868 00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.639 can choose to use them in the editing room, but 869 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.519 you feel craft like it doesn't feel phoned in. And 870 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.400 something about the dartboard of Queen Elizabeth makes me feel 871 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.719 that I believe this this movie. 872 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.360 Mike and I have discussed this. I just want to 873 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.039 get your take on it. Amy, This has bothered me 874 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.000 for years. You've seen that the one sheet to this movie. 875 00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:42.599 Clearly there's supposed to be a joke there where Nancy 876 00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.719 Travis is holding an axe because behind Mike's Mike Myers's 877 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.320 back there's flowers, and clearly there's supposed to be an 878 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:54.480 act behind Nancy Travis's back. Has this bothered you as 879 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.360 much as it's bothered me that this one sheet is 880 00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.760 like a like a half step of a joke. 881 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.199 I think I've hallucinated the X. I think I have 882 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:07.519 Mandela affected that ax in my memory because I think 883 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.960 it should be when as there, I just put the 884 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:10.480 ax there. 885 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:14.119 Mike thought that I was photo shopping and axe in 886 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.360 her hand, but no, I actually found a version of 887 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.800 the poster that has I found some weird versions of 888 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:23.159 this poster. There's also one that was very Missus Robinson 889 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.599 where it was like Nancy Travis's well a leg that's 890 00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.639 supposed to be Nancy Travis like framing the shot and 891 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.159 Mike Myers in the back and it's totally a body 892 00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.159 double with Mike Myers's head. Just paste it onto it 893 00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.480 and I think she's got a garter in front that 894 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.599 you can see, and then a butcher's cleaver in the garter, 895 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.639 so like he doesn't see it, but he still has 896 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.599 that kind of noise look on his face. And it's like, 897 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.960 all right, yeah, now that you brought that up. Every 898 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.360 time I look at like the wark blue ray of 899 00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:57.360 that I have, and I'm like, this doesn't look right 900 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.159 because she's not holding something behind her back. There's no 901 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.119 symmetry in this image. 902 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.679 Why would they have taken it out? It just feels 903 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.360 like it should be there. 904 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.639 I guess because she's not the murderer. And they're like, well, 905 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.239 that's false advertising. Like that's my only take on it. 906 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.239 You know, it should be there. That's the joke, you know. 907 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.239 But I think about this too much, like it just 908 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.360 eats at me whenever I think about this movie that 909 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:25.320 one shoots. 910 00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.559 Well, if we're going to be like really getting into 911 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.320 the details, what do you think the show adds to 912 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.840 the title? Like, and I like this though, I'm just 913 00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.639 wondering why it's not I married an AX murderer. It's 914 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.159 so I married an X murder. 915 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:41.800 Because it's like a casual conversation, like, so I married 916 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.760 an axe murderer. That's how whites are good. 917 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.760 There's that that recent TCM book called but have you 918 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.920 read the book? And the butt is very subtle on there, 919 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.079 but I'm like, oh, that's nice that it's not have 920 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.360 you read the book? It's yes, like the yes is implied, 921 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.760 but have you read the book? So I married an 922 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.440 ax murderer thing, yeah, which kind of I guess fits 923 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.079 also with all of the Jewish people that were supposed 924 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.559 to be playing this role originally, between like Woody Allen, 925 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.880 Gary Shanling, Albert Brooks. Who else did we mention, Well, 926 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.440 Chevy Chase. I don't think really counts as far as 927 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.800 that goes. But just like it was so New York. 928 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.519 It was such a New York story, and then when 929 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.360 Myers gets his hands on it, it's like, yeah, let's 930 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.199 move to San Francisco. And then it becomes a love 931 00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.239 letter to San Francisco. And I don't think it really 932 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.760 lost anything in that. If anything, it's like, well, this 933 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:33.800 is a whole different scene. This is a whole new 934 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:38.360 MILLIU that will support coffee shops, so will support beat 935 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.559 poetry in here, poetry slams. Yeah, I kind of forgot 936 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.079 about poetry slams. Scot Those were so annoying. 937 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.800 I mean, it feels so much more special. I think 938 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.519 being a San Francisco movie and being a Scottish movie, Like, 939 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.559 there's no real reason for this movie to be as 940 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.679 Scottish as it is, because it's not like bagpipes save 941 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.480 his life or anything. Wearing a cult capes him from 942 00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.880 Like I don't wearing a cult like catches him when 943 00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:01.960 he off the roof, like you know it poofs up 944 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.960 like nothing like that. The Scottish doesn't actually factor and 945 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.440 it's just a thing that runs through it. And my 946 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.039 family's a little Scottish, so that means a ton to 947 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.840 be to have that much Scottish on it. There's not 948 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.039 that much Scottish in many American movies, Irish, Italian. The 949 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.400 Scottish feels special. I say this as a person whose mom, 950 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.360 like used to do a little sword dancing on the 951 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.400 cross swords. Nice is nice Scottish representation. 952 00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.199 Welcome to all things Scottish. Our slogan is if it's 953 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:31.440 not Scottish. 954 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:31.639 Just clap. 955 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.559 Even some of the jokes that he's doing, like with 956 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.960 where he's asking her to scratch us back and he's like, oh, prosidio, prosidio, 957 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:41.480 and you know, and he's like doing the whole neighborhoods 958 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.639 of San Francisco in order to tell her where to scratch. 959 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.840 I'm like, that's nice, you know, just to bring that 960 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:51.039 San Francisco into it. Mike Myers's own scottishness definitely plays 961 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:53.039 into the scottishness of the film, you know, he just 962 00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.320 kind of added that whole thing. But I think I've 963 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.119 really worked and I also really think that the double character. 964 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.480 I think that the double character of him works better 965 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:03.000 in this movie than it does in a lot of 966 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:06.920 other movies, because it makes more sense that Mike Myers's 967 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.000 dad is going to look a lot like him, as 968 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.519 opposed to looking around the pentavert and being like, why 969 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.480 did all these guys look like Mike Myers. 970 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.800 That's true, and it looks good too. This The texture 971 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.719 of the skin on the dad's jowls very convincing. They 972 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.440 didn't just give him a big red beard. It looks 973 00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.840 advanced for nineteen ninety three to my eyes. 974 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.760 Well, and the split. 975 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.679 Screen effects look really good too. We are not that 976 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:35.039 far away from some really bad split screens that we 977 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.079 had in the eighties with like you know, Bette Midler 978 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.760 and Lily Tomlin where it's just like, oh, look at 979 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.519 that person across the very obvious line that's in the 980 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:44.519 middle of the screen. 981 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:45.800 You know. Here it's like. 982 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.400 Good use of body doubles. You know, when he's saying 983 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.079 goodbye and you get his dad in the distance and 984 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.039 his dad's just doing the ah go on with you 985 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.039 kind of thing. Yeah, that's really nice that we're we 986 00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.239 know when to use the body doubles. The body doubles 987 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.679 look good. And then even when his dad comes in, 988 00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:03.679 when he's not wearing pants and he's just wearing his 989 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.440 shorts and his like suspender socks and stuff, he walks 990 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.119 right in. There's Mike Myers on screen. There's Mike Myers 991 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.079 again on screen, and I don't see like, oh, here's 992 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.559 this big blurry line that's separating two of them. 993 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:16.159 Yeah. 994 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.519 I think it's rare to see a comedy that wasn't 995 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.920 designed to be like a gigantic hit and wasn't designed 996 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.119 by you know, modern day Adam McKay or somebody working 997 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.440 with like a budget and a sense of I've have 998 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.000 Oscar nominations and something to prove. But a comedy that 999 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.679 I think is made on a fairly humble scale with 1000 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.639 a lot of ambition in that sense, and it is 1001 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.960 kind of nodding to the great comedies, even as it's 1002 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.559 being silly and dumb and stupid to have them walk 1003 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:46.039 by the Golden gate Bridge and do the anti Hall scene. 1004 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.639 But just in San Francisco. You know, I was even 1005 00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:50.880 thinking of the Graduate a little bit watching this movie. 1006 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.159 That's it's so interesting to me to hear that they 1007 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:55.519 had a version of that that name check the poster, 1008 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.800 because that's also a movie about like young San Francisco 1009 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.400 people marrying, maybe a bit fast, reckless living. It feels 1010 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.000 like this movie is steeped in movies that you wouldn't 1011 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.280 say in the same breath with it. 1012 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.719 The Graduate comes up a bunch in Wayne's world too. 1013 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:12.920 Oh right, that ending I forgot. 1014 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.239 I was thinking of it too, when he's driving and 1015 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.039 he's got that whatever type of car that is, because 1016 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.719 it reminded me a little bit of when Benjamin is 1017 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.239 driving down to you know, try to rescue Elane and 1018 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.039 if you've got the you know, the Simon and Garfunk 1019 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.239 call on the soundtrack and stuff, and you've got to 1020 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:33.000 hear there's the moment when he's driving and I think 1021 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.480 it's when she goes to lean in and kiss him 1022 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.880 and he almost drives off the road. I'm just like, 1023 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:40.239 I wonder if that's the same car, because it's a 1024 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:40.960 sports car. 1025 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:41.519 It's red. 1026 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.039 But I have no idea when it comes to cars 1027 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.280 that if it's the same or not. As I say that, 1028 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.880 the Laws do a way better version of There She Goes, 1029 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.760 which I think is their song than the Boo Radley's 1030 00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.079 not a big fan of that Boo Radley's cover at 1031 00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:56.639 the beginning. 1032 00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:58.920 Okay, but what about the spin doctors? 1033 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.960 To hear this doctors on ironically, I mean it's kind 1034 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.719 of like hearing smash Mouth on ironically and in the 1035 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:11.599 Shrek films. But yeah, that wasn't bad. I mean, this 1036 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.280 was such a nineteen ninety three picture. I was just like, yep, 1037 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:15.840 top hits of the day, Yep. 1038 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:19.519 Yeah, it feels so of its moment in a way 1039 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:21.920 that I respect. It feels like a tiny little time stamp, 1040 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.840 which I think either producer Carrie Woods, I think he 1041 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.559 was really good at that. He did Heathers that feels 1042 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:32.280 very then Swingers, Kids, Threesome. These all feel like movies 1043 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.480 that just captured that moment in which they were made 1044 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.639 in a way that's really great. 1045 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.119 Usually you watch a movie where it's very much of 1046 00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:43.400 its time, it's disgusting or laughable. This was like, wah, 1047 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.880 it's like, oh that's nice. I wish I could go 1048 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.400 back like there was. It was genuinely like, oh, why 1049 00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:49.559 can't we be there now? 1050 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:49.960 You know? 1051 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.800 But I thought it was just me hotly. 1052 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:55.440 No, I felt it too. I want to be in 1053 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.800 the coffee shop with the cappuccino people don't even drink cappuccinos, 1054 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.880 I think, as much anymore as all Latte is now. 1055 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.639 Well, just think the movie Singles came out the year 1056 00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.960 prior to this, you know where it's like, I'm not 1057 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.039 really rushing out to see Singles again with the whole 1058 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.239 like all those relationships. I mean, the grunge scene is 1059 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.800 so major in there. I mean, isn't Eddie Vedder and 1060 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.119 some of the guys from Pearl Jam or Temple the 1061 00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:23.400 Dog in the movie with them with Matt Dillon playing 1062 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:26.760 like a grunge god, I'm like, oh my goodness, so 1063 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.280 that too, his little camp in Burton. 1064 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:32.440 I mean, I think that's why some of these movies 1065 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.559 are so embedded in my soul is because I wasn't 1066 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.719 old enough to live them. I was just old enough 1067 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.320 to hope I'd get to grow up to be in 1068 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.239 that world, and then I didn't get to be. It's 1069 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.360 just mad about it. Some movies like that mean a 1070 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.800 lot to me because I thought I would get to 1071 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:49.960 grow up to be rallity bites are clueless and it 1072 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.599 I dismissed it, and that's so irritating that. 1073 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.880 World had moved on by then. Of course, being the 1074 00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.440 film guy that I am, I'm going to notice things 1075 00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.840 like the way that the doors and Harriet's apartment. There's 1076 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.440 a couple of doors that she stands behind, and then 1077 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.119 also Rose stands behind. It's kind of nice to obfuscate 1078 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.320 who this person is that's on the other side of 1079 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:15.320 the door, because they're very distorted and you can't really 1080 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:16.159 see who they are. 1081 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.440 But I'm like, oh, well, that's kind of nice. 1082 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.760 So we're constantly, you know, who is this person? Is 1083 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.360 there this other person? I think maybe that's why I 1084 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.639 was getting the single white femaleness of it, but I 1085 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.519 kind of, you know, like the Rose character is such 1086 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.599 an interesting one because it's like you have to just 1087 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:35.559 use the right amount of her. And I did notice too. 1088 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:39.840 Talking about the deleted scenes, there's that montage of Charlie 1089 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.760 and Harriet kind of falling in love more. And you 1090 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.039 can bet your bottom dollar all of those things from 1091 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.960 the montage we're all actual scenes on one time. A 1092 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.480 lot of them take place over like one or two scenes, 1093 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.800 but yeah, they were all part of bigger things that 1094 00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.480 we don't see anymore, and I think we're actually better 1095 00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:58.119 off for it. 1096 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.760 I miss Amanda Flo like she was like everywhere around 1097 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.039 that time, like, and I missed her intensity, and I 1098 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.880 wish she was still working, you know, or working at 1099 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.480 the capacity she was around this time. I mean, how 1100 00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.199 long after was full Fiction? Was that just a year after? 1101 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.880 Two years the next year, Yeah, it's a shame. And 1102 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.519 then it was two years after that she was in 1103 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.679 Butterfly Kisses, which I think broke my brain for a 1104 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.480 little while. And I miss her a lot, because, yeah, 1105 00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:28.280 she was showing up, like you said, all over the place. 1106 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.480 She was in Free Jack as that nut. Yeah it 1107 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:35.280 wasn't free Jack, yeah, tidy little roll, but there she is. 1108 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.280 And the same thing with that Abu Poculia. I used 1109 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.599 to see him all the time, him or his brother, 1110 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:41.800 and I don't think I see either one of them anymore. 1111 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.280 I get really sad every time I see Phil Hartman 1112 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.800 show up because he feels like such a loss from 1113 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.400 that period. I feel like there was so much for 1114 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:53.199 Phil Hartman we didn't get, you know, like, I don't 1115 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.719 know what Phil Hartman if he had done his own 1116 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.519 Chevy Chase career, what it would have been like if 1117 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.599 he had gotten to be more sent He was always 1118 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.719 popping up, But what would be like? What would Phil 1119 00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:03.880 Hartman's opus have been? 1120 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:04.960 You know? 1121 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.280 It just it feels like one of the bigger comedy 1122 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:08.639 losses one. 1123 00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.679 Hundred percent, because he was always there to support other people. 1124 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:14.679 You know, he'd show up in those tiny rolls here 1125 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:16.400 and there. I'm trying to remember what when I just 1126 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.760 saw him show up, Oh, Fletch Lives. He just is there, 1127 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.400 you know, working at the chemical plant that's shipping off 1128 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.719 all those chemicals to be sent to Fletch's ant's place 1129 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:30.000 that he just inherited. He's in the movie for again, 1130 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.800 five minutes at most, but he's fantastic every time he 1131 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.599 shows up in anything like even that. I'm sure, Mike, 1132 00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.400 you're familiar with that movie Pandemonium, the one with Paul 1133 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:41.280 Rubins and Carol Kine. Yeah, he's in there for like 1134 00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.079 five minutes. But he's fantastic, just the reporter. 1135 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:47.079 He's even in the Gong Show movie. Like he has 1136 00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.039 a very small part in the Gong. 1137 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.000 Show movie because it was all about the groundlings, right, 1138 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:52.760 wasn't he part? 1139 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:53.480 Yeah? 1140 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:55.840 Which is all I want to say, San Francisco stuff, 1141 00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:57.159 So that makes total that's right? 1142 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:57.480 Yeah. 1143 00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.480 Yeah, I mean he's one of those people that I 1144 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:03.480 could also really see of having his dramatic career, Like 1145 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.039 what would he have done if he had gotten to 1146 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.199 do a punch dung glove? Like what would that have been? 1147 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:09.840 Can you imagine? 1148 00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.480 Or non cut gems starring Phil Hartman. 1149 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:14.760 A buddy of mine, said that if he lived, he 1150 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:16.760 probably would have had Bob Odenkirk's career. 1151 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.639 Oh I could see that. 1152 00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:19.079 Yeah. 1153 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.760 Oh It's so sad that I was at camp when 1154 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.760 he died and I didn't know he died for years 1155 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.079 because I was, you know, like girl scout camp and 1156 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:29.599 my parents didn't write me a letter letting me know, 1157 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.320 so I didn't know that he had died. I think 1158 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:35.239 I found out like four years later. It was really confusing, 1159 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.800 Its like where is he pre Internet. Where is that guy? 1160 00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:44.079 It is with a heavy heart that I write to 1161 00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.840 you today at Cape Wakanaka to tell you the sad 1162 00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.800 news of the passing of one of our great comedy geniuses, 1163 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:51.559 Phil Hartman. 1164 00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:59.480 When Robin Williams died, my father actually called me at work. 1165 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.559 Let me know, someone should have wrote your letter. Someone 1166 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.159 should have wrote your letter, Mamie. Let you know, Yeah, my. 1167 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:06.760 Parents should have written me a letter. And then the 1168 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.920 camp counsels would be like, why is that girl right? 1169 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:11.679 We can't have you written to her every time a 1170 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.360 well known comedian dies, she's just gonna cry her eyes 1171 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.280 out again. All right, We're going to take a break 1172 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:17.880 and we'll be back with a pair of interviews with 1173 00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.400 the producers of So I Married an Axe Murderer, Carrie 1174 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.559 Woods and Rob Reed, And we'll be back with that 1175 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:24.239 right after these brief messages. 1176 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:28.800 Join me Jamie Benning on the Filmermentaries podcast, particularly if 1177 00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:33.079 you enjoy stories like designer Nilo Rhodis jamiro convincing George 1178 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:35.719 Lucas to push him around to help gain the support 1179 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:37.960 of his crew on the Ailing Howard. 1180 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.440 The Ducklam the door opens its George, everybody gas George 1181 00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.519 makes a bee line to me, I'm literally back against 1182 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:46.320 the wall. 1183 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:50.039 Or here puppeteer Tim Rose's emotional story behind that iconic 1184 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.159 admurl acbar shot in Return of the Jedi. 1185 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:56.119 I believe it or something to be proud of, but 1186 00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:57.519 not to Celburg. 1187 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.239 Or how Star was. Editor Paul Hirsch tackled cutting so 1188 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:01.679 many successful films. 1189 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.519 The thing that I learned from working with the Palmer 1190 00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:06.519 is that tension depends on a clock. 1191 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.800 You need to have the sense that time is running out. 1192 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:12.639 Maybe Oscar winning sound designer Mark Manginie's insightful chat about 1193 00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.639 his work on Blade Runner twenty forty nine. 1194 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:18.440 Not a single sound from the original Blade Runner in 1195 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.159 the new film, A great deal of inspiration. 1196 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.360 That's the film you Menary's podcast with me Jamie Benning. 1197 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:33.000 I'm so curious how you got into movie making. 1198 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.519 I graduated law school in the University of Southern California. 1199 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:41.599 I was in LA recognizing that I didn't want to 1200 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:46.400 become a lawyer, and I loved movies. And in LA, 1201 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.440 if you throw a rock, you'll hit somebody that's in 1202 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.840 the film business. And a lot of people in my 1203 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.000 law goal class were related to film people I was 1204 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.519 told that working at a term an agency is where 1205 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.920 you can learn the most coming up. So I ended 1206 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:10.119 up giving a job at the William Morris agency. I 1207 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.719 was in the Mail and the Williamore's agency, and then 1208 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:14.800 I became an agent. 1209 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.079 And then when. 1210 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:20.000 John Peters and Peter Bluber took over as the chairman 1211 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:24.039 of Sony, we were friends, we had worked together, and 1212 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.480 they hired me as one of the first vice presidents 1213 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:31.760 they had in the corporate group. And then after about 1214 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.480 two years of being corporate executive, it wasn't really what 1215 00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:38.119 I thought it was going to be. I thought I 1216 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.639 was going to have a lot more involvement in the 1217 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.920 making of films that it wasn't. So I asked them 1218 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.320 if I transfer my deal into a producing deal where 1219 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.760 I had a good friend called Rob Freed, who had 1220 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.840 a producing deal and we were going to become partners. 1221 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:02.000 Because my deal it was I had more overhead, I 1222 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:04.400 had the ability to hire a bunch of people et ce. 1223 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:10.639 So we joined forces and had a company and under 1224 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.559 which the first movie was So I married an XE Murder. 1225 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.159 How did that project come to you? How did you 1226 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:17.960 find that one. 1227 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:24.079 Rob Freed, my partner, had that project. When we partnered, 1228 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.559 there was a writer called Robbie Fox who was the 1229 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.199 original who was the writer of So I married an 1230 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:34.000 Axe Murder who had a relationship with Rob my partner, 1231 00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.920 and gave him the script. Rob liked it and it 1232 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:42.320 was in development a tri star for a bunch of years. 1233 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:46.480 In fact, they think when I got there, Cherry Chase 1234 00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.880 was attached. And I had been a big fan of 1235 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.320 Mike Myers from the time that he was on Fan 1236 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:58.400 out Live and he was represented by a good friend 1237 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.880 of mine at the next Girl friend of mine, and 1238 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.280 he had just done Wayne's World, though he was a 1239 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:09.679 gigamic star, and my friend really liked the script of 1240 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:12.360 Ax Murder and asked if she could give it to Mike, 1241 00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:17.239 which he did. He really loved it. He asked if 1242 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:21.119 he could do some rewrites, and he did an extensive 1243 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:22.320 amount of rewrites. 1244 00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:23.960 Though he didn't get a. 1245 00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.559 Writing credit, he did a tremendous amount of work. The 1246 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:31.360 whole Scottish thing was him and a lot of the 1247 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.000 kind of comedy stuff that was in there was more him. 1248 00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:39.480 The original concept was Robbie Fox, and then so Mike 1249 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.239 agreed to do it if he could do the rewrite 1250 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.880 the studio was thrilled because he had just come up 1251 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:50.400 the biggest comedy, Wayne's World with the year before. And yeah, 1252 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.199 so we got a green light with Mike to do 1253 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:53.639 the movie. 1254 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:55.199 This was maybe three. 1255 00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:58.400 You're right there on the cusp if not have already 1256 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.960 started with like independent film and things like kids and 1257 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.320 threesome and things to do in Denver when you're dead. 1258 01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.280 I guess there was Wingsworld, and I guess that was 1259 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.920 a pretty good darn tine for comedies as well. 1260 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:14.519 It was a good time for comedy. My interest in 1261 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.639 it was that I just thought Mike Myers was a genius. 1262 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:20.840 In fact, the side story to this whole thing is 1263 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.639 that we wanted to do mister McGoo and Mister Magoo 1264 01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:29.320 was owned by a company in Japan called Toha, which 1265 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:33.440 was a huge entertainment company in Japan. They owned the 1266 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:38.480 rights to a bunch of American characters like mister Magoo. 1267 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:43.519 And I mentioned to Mike in his trailer one day 1268 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.000 that we wanted He goes, oh, I love Magoo. I'll 1269 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.360 write that and play it. So I thought, oh my god, 1270 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.480 it's perfect. Mike Mahers will write mister McGoo and play it. 1271 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:55.840 I go back to the studio. They had to make 1272 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.440 a deal with tell Hold, and they didn't want to 1273 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:03.880 do it because they weren't liking the dailies of Soy Maren, 1274 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:08.119 an expert. The studio weren't happy with what they were seeing. 1275 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:14.480 They didn't like Mike because he was a perfectionist, and 1276 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.880 you know, we had a lot of creative arguments with them, 1277 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:19.760 so they didn't want to do it. They didn't want 1278 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.320 to do Mister Magoo, which kind of pisses me off 1279 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:26.320 because I probably would be doing Magoo six had they 1280 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.920 said yes. But the only good that came out of 1281 01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.920 it is that when we had lunch with the guy 1282 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.119 who represented them to tell him we weren't gonna be 1283 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.480 able to make a deal on Mister Magoo, he said, 1284 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:42.920 we jump got another property that became available because the director, 1285 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:46.239 who never wanted to option it to an American company 1286 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:50.480 just died. And I said, what's that? And he said Godzilla. 1287 01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:55.960 I said, okay, forget it that done. We're doing Godfilla. Yeah, 1288 01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:02.159 no Magoo, but Godzilla thought that those things happened back then. Really, 1289 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.480 the rest of the independent movies, other than Threesome, which 1290 01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:10.280 happened at TriStar, how is friends with the director, and 1291 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:15.639 they made the movie independently and they needed a distributor, 1292 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.199 and I said, look, I loved it. I said, let 1293 01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.079 me show it to my people at TriStar. So I 1294 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:24.480 didn't even show it to the executive and I showed 1295 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:28.320 it to the marketing department. They loved it. When we 1296 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:31.679 cost like a million dollars, they loved it. They thought 1297 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:33.920 they could do a lot with it. They convinced the 1298 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.519 studio to pick it up to buy it, which they 1299 01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:40.199 did for virtually nothing, and it was the most profitable 1300 01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.159 movie of the year. The movie ended up making like 1301 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.639 twenty six million dollars or something, but they didn't spend 1302 01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:50.920 anything on it. So, yeah, that's the only independent movie 1303 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.679 that had anything to do with at TriStar. I didn't 1304 01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:59.280 really get into it until I made the deal with Mirrimax. Yeah, 1305 01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:03.679 that's when I got more involved in those kinds of films, 1306 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:06.880 the first one being Kids. 1307 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:09.360 Right, So you worked quite a few times with Harmony Kareen. 1308 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:14.239 Kids was the first. We made Gummo, then we made 1309 01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:18.440 Julian donkey Boy, then we did it. Yeah, we did 1310 01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:23.880 four full movies together, his first four movies together. When 1311 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.280 I met him on Kids, who was seventeen years old. 1312 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.840 Going back to X Murderer, you said that the studio 1313 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.559 wasn't happy, and I'm curious what they thought they were 1314 01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:36.039 getting what they signed up for. 1315 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.480 I don't have any idea. I can tell you one 1316 01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.800 story that was incredible. Before Nanty Travis was in the movie, 1317 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:51.400 we had a meeting with Sharon Stone, who loved the script, 1318 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.519 loved Mike Myers. We had a meeting with her at 1319 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:59.360 the Four Seasons Hotel. She just finished Basic in Think. 1320 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:01.280 But it hadn't come out yet. 1321 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.400 It was the same studio that was making till I 1322 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.039 married an expert, but they obviously didn't know what they 1323 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.559 had because Sharon wanted to do it. And the funniest 1324 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.360 thing is when Sharon sat next to Mike in the hotel, 1325 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:19.679 he was sorry, man, he was terrified of her, just 1326 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.719 because she was Sharon Stone and he was Mike Royers. 1327 01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:26.039 And you could see his nervousness was palpable. It was 1328 01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:30.400 so perfect for the part. Try Star started to negotiate 1329 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:34.119 a deal with her, and they were few hundred thousand 1330 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:39.480 dollars apart, which in retrospect, knowing that they had basic 1331 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.519 instinct on their hands and that she was going to 1332 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:46.280 be a breakout star. We told them this right there. 1333 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.840 They should have closed the deal before that movie came out, 1334 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.440 because once that movie came out, she was a giant 1335 01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.960 star and everybody wanted her for everything, and her price went. 1336 01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:00.000 It was just the wall timing to be messing around. 1337 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.440 Although I don't think bad they closed her deal. She 1338 01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:05.960 would have done the movie anyway, Build One Space againstant 1339 01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:10.000 came out, she was a huge cream, real star and 1340 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:13.719 she was getting auper. He's for everything, and I'm make 1341 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.639 sure she would have wanted a Gee show and married 1342 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.360 a NAT's Murder, but yeah, that could have been the cast. 1343 01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.400 But Nancy's great, Nancy's robed and wife. She was amazing though, 1344 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.440 But it was a good front in her Yeah, it 1345 01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:30.719 was just funny then that apping that way, Well, what 1346 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.880 was the original script like before Mike? We wrote it 1347 01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.239 less cameos, the Scottish guy, the Steven Wright character, the 1348 01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:43.039 Phil Hartman that was all Mike. So it was less 1349 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:46.480 of that kind of stuff. The poetry that was all Mike. 1350 01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:51.039 I mean, it's shocking that he didn't get issued screenplayed credit, 1351 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:54.440 but that was a writer's guild call, wasn't our call, 1352 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:56.159 And I don't care. 1353 01:05:56.239 --> 01:06:00.719 It's fair, but the Kladi's build very strict about protecting 1354 01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:04.800 the original screamwriter. I understand, so he didn't get a credit, 1355 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.639 but he got in my mind he wrote at least 1356 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.519 fifty percent of the strip. Tommy Schlami, who went on 1357 01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:16.119 to be a huge television director responsible for many of 1358 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:17.800 the West Winds. 1359 01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:19.039 How did he come to the project? 1360 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:22.559 He read the script, he loved it. Tommy is an 1361 01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:27.719 incredibly personable guy, like a really good guy. Can't remember 1362 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.039 what he did before at the quarter attention, but we 1363 01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:34.440 all had meetings with him and loved him, and he 1364 01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.800 can't not like Tommy Fammi couldn't be a nicer guy. 1365 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:40.960 Mike liked him. We all liked him, so he began 1366 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:41.760 to direct them. 1367 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.079 And how was the actual shoot itself? 1368 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:48.320 It was hard because it was six days. We wanted 1369 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.639 to keep the budget down, so we were pretty much 1370 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:54.559 shooting six days a week. It also was hard on 1371 01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:59.159 the days when Mike had to play his Scottish grandfather 1372 01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.159 or uncle like remember it was he was in makeup 1373 01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:04.119 for a long time in those days, and that was 1374 01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.199 like a four or five hour makeup session. 1375 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.079 So those were hard. 1376 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.639 But sixth day weeks are hard, and we had a 1377 01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:14.679 bunch of them in a row and it was rough. 1378 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.679 But other than that, it was just to shoot. San 1379 01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:21.760 Francisco is beautiful and they were working if the most 1380 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:23.920 of the time we were there said we really didn't 1381 01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:27.559 have a chance to But other than that, it was 1382 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.119 was really it was a nice shoot. 1383 01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:31.400 With the studio or even done in your neck a 1384 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.679 little bit. Did the movie change at all or did 1385 01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:36.559 it come out the way that Mike and Robbie wrote it. 1386 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:42.480 No, it didn't change much. The studio wasn't Tri Star 1387 01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:45.880 Studios at the time. Mike Manivoy was the chairman of 1388 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.840 the studio, was the chairman of UA, so he came 1389 01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:53.159 from the school of leaving directors alone. He wasn't Harvey 1390 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.679 Wanston who'd go after the movie was done and started 1391 01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:00.719 cutting it away. That's not who Mike met was. Mike 1392 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:06.159 Medaway is very respectful of his filmmakers, and they saw 1393 01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:09.599 the movie, they tested it, and they put it out 1394 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:14.119 as best they could. What's odd to me is that 1395 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:18.920 years later the movie didn't do great and not after 1396 01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:23.199 Wayne's World and with the odds and this happens to 1397 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:26.640 it very often. This will Happen to You is like 1398 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:29.319 years later people going, oh, that was like the funny 1399 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:31.840 is I was my favorite and all that kind of stuff. 1400 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:34.680 No one heard about it when it came out. 1401 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:35.479 I guess the. 1402 01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:41.239 Press campaign wasn't good enough for Mike Myers became famous 1403 01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:45.439 bland characters or that not right then his first big 1404 01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:50.119 hit movie, He's playing Wayne, a beloved character from the show. 1405 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.199 This was the first time that Mike Maris was Mike Meyer, 1406 01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:57.159 and I'm not sure the public was ready for it, 1407 01:08:57.520 --> 01:08:58.720 and it was a hard. 1408 01:08:58.439 --> 01:08:59.960 Thing for them to promote. 1409 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.199 And even further on in his career, his big hits 1410 01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:09.840 was Austin Power, where he's again playing a character. So's 1411 01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:12.960 it's a tough thing for a comic who becomes famous 1412 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.279 playing characters, and then all of a sudden he's playing 1413 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:21.960 himself in a romantic comedy where no one's ever seen 1414 01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.720 him be romantic. He never had a romantic thing to do, 1415 01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.479 and that live ever and obviously in Wayne's world, but 1416 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:33.319 there was no romance of any reality. So it was 1417 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.079 a hard thing. Not from the play. I think he 1418 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:38.600 was great in it, but I think for the audience 1419 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.399 to accept I think was in your shit. 1420 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.279 I've always been curious about the poster of the film 1421 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.640 with the big hearts and Mike Myers holding the flowers 1422 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:52.880 behind his back she's supposed to be holding. 1423 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:54.199 Can I tell you something? Yeah? 1424 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:56.039 Please look. 1425 01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:02.479 When you are or even not when you're especially when 1426 01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.680 you're a new producer and you have the zero leverage, 1427 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:09.039 you don't have anything to do with the poster the studio. 1428 01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:10.680 There are poster. 1429 01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:14.079 Companies that charge a lot of money, and the studio 1430 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.600 paised them a lot of money to come up with 1431 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:21.159 the poster, and they had six or seven posters that 1432 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:26.079 they showed us. And it's always compromising down now. When 1433 01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:30.159 I became a little bit more in my career where 1434 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:35.319 I had some poster and the trailers, I could then 1435 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:38.960 say five, I don't like the six, let me feed 1436 01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:42.479 ten more or twelve more, and you want you then 1437 01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:47.239 have something to say on this movie. I didn't. And 1438 01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:51.319 the studio, they believe that there are every studio think 1439 01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:54.880 that they're the marketing geniuses. They don't really are not 1440 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:58.960 interested in hearing from the direct news or the producers 1441 01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:03.399 unless you're Audiet Wassese or Steven Spielberg. But they feel 1442 01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:04.840 like that's what we do. 1443 01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:06.680 We do the marketing. 1444 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:11.760 We're the marketing geniuses, and you just make movies. So 1445 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:16.279 that's the poster. I think we all we're not into it. 1446 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:20.359 But I wasn't into the poster for kids. The American 1447 01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.039 poster for kids that Harvey did, I thought was horrible. 1448 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:24.560 The poster for kids. 1449 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.439 That was great was the French poster with the boys 1450 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.920 just walking down the boulevard. I don't know if you 1451 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:34.720 ever saw that poster, but if you google the French 1452 01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:36.760 poster for kids, it's beautiful. 1453 01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:40.600 And that's the one we wanted to use. And Harvey 1454 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:46.399 put together this. He didn't understand him, he truthfully, veriusly, 1455 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.319 he didn't really The movie threw him off. But yeah, 1456 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:52.800 so he came up with that poster, which was it 1457 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:56.119 looked like a bunch of like lucky corns or something. 1458 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:57.520 I don't know what that was. 1459 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.760 We hated it, but again, fighting with Harvey's not easy, 1460 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:05.239 and it was what it was, but became what it became. 1461 01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:10.239 But he hated it. Harvey was already he had no 1462 01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.640 connection to that movie. It was the same year as 1463 01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:19.039 sling Blade came out, and Harvey was all about Academy Awards. 1464 01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:22.359 There was no way Kids was winning any Academy Awards. 1465 01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:26.439 Oh no, this isn't it's this is Swinger. He did 1466 01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:31.159 Waders is the same thing. He knew swingers were in 1467 01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:33.800 the Academy and it would be go oping the same nabe. 1468 01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:38.279 And he didn't pay attention to Swing. Again, he didn't 1469 01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:40.720 get it. He didn't know that it was a commercial moodleeue, 1470 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:46.079 and so he opened it with like almost no promotion 1471 01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:48.439 or anything. And I was losing my learning because I 1472 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:51.720 thought it was an undelievably commercial But even though there 1473 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.680 were no stars wing it, and Harvey was a starfucker, 1474 01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:59.399 so he put all of this energy into sling Blade 1475 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:01.000 was incredible. 1476 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:04.039 I think he did get a nomination, but it didn't 1477 01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:07.520 do anything really at the box office. It didn't do 1478 01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:12.119 anything until after it left the box office and then 1479 01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:13.760 everybody had advanced to see it. 1480 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:17.720 But it was at the asperg. He'd released with kids 1481 01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:22.920 was a different thing. He didn't have any feeling for 1482 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.560 those kids. He didn't even know what they were. He 1483 01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:29.319 was like, we were at the Independent Spirit Awards where 1484 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:32.760 we had gotten nominated for a lot of stuff, and 1485 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.560 he was there. I don't know what the other movie 1486 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.319 had there, but he ignored us like we had a table. 1487 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:42.720 These kids were like, they were basically street bids and harm. 1488 01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.239 You didn't speak to them, so we ignored us that. 1489 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:50.199 I mean, we were there with Chloe and every DFL, 1490 01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:55.079 but even think anything of them because they weren't stars yet. 1491 01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:00.800 But yeah, anyway, so that's a different topic. All right, 1492 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:02.960 where are we? Are We done? 1493 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:04.000 I thought you were good. 1494 01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:06.880 Unless you've got any other Ax murderer stories that you 1495 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:07.880 wanted to share. 1496 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:12.359 Well, I have another one. A great month we were 1497 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:16.960 coming up to on Monday shooting the Steing where Mike 1498 01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:21.359 Myers meets Nancy Travis in the butcher shop and it's 1499 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:24.800 loved first sight. This was going to be the first 1500 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:28.079 So it was on Monday, and we had the weekend off, 1501 01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.319 which means we only had a five day week, which 1502 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:35.600 was unusual. So we had the weekend off and Mike 1503 01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:39.239 was like just working like crazy and habit and I 1504 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:41.720 said to him on Friday and I said, listen, let's 1505 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.279 go to the movies tomorrow, go to China Town and 1506 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.199 just have a day off. You got a rest. I 1507 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:52.239 was like the Mike Myers handler because we really got along. 1508 01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:56.800 Mike was very high strung. He needed sort of one 1509 01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.479 on one attention. But in any event, I said, yeah, 1510 01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:01.680 let's go to the movies tomorrow, blah blah. I'll pick 1511 01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:04.079 you up and around noon and then we'll go to 1512 01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:07.760 a did okay great? I come to his hotel, we 1513 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:11.279 might open the door. He's still in his underwear in 1514 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.079 its T shirt. His hair is like total bedheaded out. 1515 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:19.439 He obviously either just woke up or it certainly wasn't 1516 01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:23.479 planning or going anywhere. I come into the room and 1517 01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:28.319 they're like eight or nine not it was just DVDs 1518 01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.800 or I think it was still VHS back then on 1519 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.880 the floor in front of the television and they go, Mike, 1520 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:37.840 what do you do? He goes, listen. I don't think 1521 01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:42.000 we have the theme right for meeting her on Monday. 1522 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:46.239 So I got all these movies where it loved first 1523 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:49.239 sight with the two actors, and I think we need 1524 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.439 to watch them and see what they're doing that we 1525 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.159 are not. I'm like, but this was the kind of 1526 01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:58.840 perfectionist that Mike was, and I think burned off a 1527 01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:01.920 lot of people. He was two intense. As far as 1528 01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:04.640 I was concerned, it was great because it was still 1529 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:07.720 gonna say, predaced by Gary Woods, like I love that 1530 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:14.039 kind of perfectionist intensity. So we did that. We were 1531 01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:17.479 working on it and Mike said, listen, I worked with 1532 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:21.479 a lighter at Dinna Live who's perfect to help us 1533 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:24.760 put this together. If we could only fly him up 1534 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:27.960 here tomorrow, which was Sunday, and if he and I 1535 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.560 work together, it'll take a day and we'll get this right. 1536 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.159 I said, Okay, what's his name. We'll get in touch 1537 01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:37.159 with Jay or whatever he goes. It's Conan O'Brien. The 1538 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:40.399 next thing, Conan O'Brien was on a plane and came 1539 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:45.199 up and helped us write that scene. That's pure Mike Myers. 1540 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:47.840 Not only did he work his ass off, he could 1541 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.800 spot like he knew having worked with Conan on Santa 1542 01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.800 Live is a writer that Conan was a genius. Anyway, 1543 01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:58.119 that's my last story. It could easily come up with more, 1544 01:16:58.199 --> 01:16:59.079 but not right now. 1545 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:01.720 Sure was, thank you so much for your time. This 1546 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:02.680 is great talking with you. 1547 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:04.319 We'll fame here. 1548 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:17.720 Pleasure candy coded cannon lifting news left to trump the stream. 1549 01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:17.880 Stay tuned. 1550 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:22.039 Wanted to find what's wrong and what's right, what's obscuring, 1551 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:28.039 what's ub scene and the fat fat who's you have 1552 01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:32.159 a chance that this pants slip right down the scene 1553 01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:37.920 by again my break, God's say, I'm gonna make my 1554 01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:43.520 break plan. Yes, I'm maybe thirty old man by the 1555 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:47.039 time I can beat down this studio scene. 1556 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.279 Well, I'm so curious how you got into show business, 1557 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:52.359 coming in through the business angle of it, and it's 1558 01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:55.119 not usually how I talk with people. So I'm so 1559 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:56.720 curious what that experience was like. 1560 01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:01.760 So I graduated from business school in the eighties and 1561 01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:06.239 at that time, the idea of spreadsheet analysis. Financial analysis 1562 01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:10.159 in Hollywood was a novel idea. At that time. Hollywood 1563 01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:14.640 was still operating in the footprint of Irving Thalberg finding 1564 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:17.720 some young male who had his finger on the pulse 1565 01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:19.840 of other young males, and that's how they would make 1566 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:23.439 their decision of what movies to make. Columbia Pictures at 1567 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:26.319 the time put together a team of MBAs and they 1568 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:29.920 decided that they were going to compute the calculus of 1569 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:32.880 running a Hollywood studio at the time that had recently 1570 01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:35.800 been purchased by Coca Cola, and I think Coca Cola 1571 01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:39.319 was more thinking that way. So I joined this analytics team. 1572 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:42.960 Theres a group of us that were really breaking everything 1573 01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:46.800 that the studio did down into cash and optimizing it 1574 01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:49.520 and figuring out present values of future cash flows of 1575 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.800 all the deals that they were doing. And then ultimately 1576 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:57.399 it dovetailed into the film selection process figuring out what 1577 01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:00.720 genres of films and costs of films and TI films 1578 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.840 generated a higher rate of return. And also what was 1579 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:08.680 going on in the eighties was this idea of bicycling 1580 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.920 films in distribution where you would start in the box office, 1581 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:16.119 but then go to a home video and then cable, 1582 01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.560 and then network, and then syndication and then international. So 1583 01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:22.119 you started to get to a place where you weren't 1584 01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:25.399 solely reliant on box office performance and you could actually 1585 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:29.640 hedge your financial bet. So I joined that team and 1586 01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:34.319 it worked, and the rest of Hollywood became intrigued. Two 1587 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:36.680 of these people that are working at Columbia Pictures with 1588 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:39.720 MBAs that are transforming the way the business is run. 1589 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:42.840 The entire team of us, so it was a handful 1590 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:46.560 of us became hot, if you will, in Hollywood, which 1591 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:50.199 is all about heat and steam, and so they sought 1592 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:55.880 us out to help influence the other studios. And it 1593 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:58.359 was just a matter of time because the New York Times, 1594 01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.880 I think in nineteen eighty seven and wrote an article 1595 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:04.119 about us the MBA is of Colombia and how they're 1596 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:07.119 changing the business. And so that then every agent, the 1597 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:10.720 agencies wanted to meet this group, and the other studios 1598 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:13.039 wanted to meet this group. So Hollywood is all about that. 1599 01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:16.079 Who's talking about who and who's hot, so it almost 1600 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:19.159 doesn't matter what you do. If you're hot, they liked you, 1601 01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:22.239 or it did then at least, so I met with 1602 01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:25.159 a lot of the studios and turns out that I 1603 01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:30.319 also could talk and not just do this analytic and 1604 01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:34.920 so that introduced me to other types of opportunities, and 1605 01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:38.279 I eventually got a chance to be an actual vice 1606 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:44.279 president of production without ever having read a script. That's Hollywood, 1607 01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:48.600 or at least it was. But the just by total coincidence, 1608 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:52.119 the first group of films that I was associated with 1609 01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:57.479 were successful. It is just random, really, so that further 1610 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:02.720 the attention within the community, and one thing led to another, 1611 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:04.760 So that's how I got in. It was an accident. 1612 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.800 It wasn't like most of the people in the business 1613 01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:11.960 who grew up wanting to be in the business and 1614 01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.720 went to film school and learned how to make films 1615 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:18.000 or tell stories. For me, it was a series of 1616 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:22.199 coincidences and fortunate opportunities that led to being in the 1617 01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:23.840 actual business of filmmaking. 1618 01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:26.920 What were those that group of films that you were 1619 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:28.000 associated with. 1620 01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.000 It was right out of the gate. It was Hoosier's 1621 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:35.600 and RoboCop and Mississippi Burning and Bull Durham and Colors 1622 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:38.039 and it was just boom. They were all sort of 1623 01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:40.760 mid budget films, but they all made money and they 1624 01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:41.600 were all notable. 1625 01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:46.279 Those are all just top tier idols that you're saying. 1626 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:50.520 Yeah, they were, but it wasn't because of anything I did. 1627 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:51.199 It was luck. 1628 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:53.800 Would you say that you transitioned into more of a 1629 01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:57.399 creative role then as you started to move into producing things. 1630 01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:00.159 Yeah, So then I took a bunch of course is 1631 01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:04.000 at UCLA and I realized so for two reasons, one 1632 01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:07.239 of the creative is much more interesting than the business 1633 01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:11.600 side of Hollywood, and two, from an entrepreneurial standpoint, is 1634 01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:15.000 far more fragmented. That each film is like a little startup. 1635 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:17.479 So that was appealing to me as well. So I 1636 01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:21.319 then enrolled in courses at UCLA Film School to learn 1637 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:25.279 the screenwriting and physical production, and because I realized this 1638 01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:27.319 could actually work out for me, and I want to 1639 01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:29.800 make sure I know what I'm talking about. So I 1640 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:31.600 took these courses at the same time that I was 1641 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:35.760 actually working on these films. Great learning experience, learning on 1642 01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:39.119 the job, and getting quite lucky. And I ended up 1643 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:42.359 with a fairly senior role at Columbia Pictures, and it 1644 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:45.920 was very fortunate. I worked hard, but it was mostly luck. 1645 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:49.399 I imagine you're still keeping your accounting hat on or 1646 01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:52.079 your business hat on, so you can still maybe choose 1647 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:55.079 the projects that you think are going to make money. 1648 01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:57.960 There was an element of that, but turns out at 1649 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:01.920 that time the best risk return genre at that time 1650 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:06.319 were what we called family comedies. These PG rated comedies 1651 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:09.800 that did not have huge stars but were moderately budgeted 1652 01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:13.479 seemed to have the greatest return on investment. So this 1653 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:16.720 was the area, but mostly no, it was the deal structures. 1654 01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:18.840 It was like the advances that you could get from 1655 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:22.119 companies like HBO or the video distributors or the international 1656 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:25.800 to the combined with these off balance sheet financing deals. 1657 01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:28.680 We did a series of deals where funded by like 1658 01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:33.399 Merrill Leinch, where people could invest one third of the 1659 01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:36.720 budget of the film in exchange for a calculated percentage 1660 01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:40.079 of the profits, and so from a studio perspective, you 1661 01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:42.760 could mitigate a lot of the risk of making the film, 1662 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:47.239 and combining that with an HBO deal and a home 1663 01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:50.199 video deal and an international deal, you could actually enter 1664 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:53.920 into the production of a film that you distributed with 1665 01:23:54.520 --> 01:24:00.079 little to no actual risk and retaining most of the upside. 1666 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:05.880 So it was that understanding combined with fundamental filmmaking, and 1667 01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:09.319 then over time I found my obsession became much more 1668 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:14.840 about the fundamentals of actual film production, screenwriting and cinematography 1669 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:19.640 and lighting and editing and acting like the actual craft itself. 1670 01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:22.239 And even to this day, when I watch a film, 1671 01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:24.600 and I watch many, it's very hard for me to 1672 01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:26.960 find a film that I've not seen at this point. 1673 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:31.319 But really what I'm mostly focused on is the actual 1674 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:33.399 craft of it. And so that was just part of 1675 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:37.000 that experience, or I guess singular obsession with the process 1676 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:38.199 of making the. 1677 01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:41.920 Film was that still the era of we can make 1678 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:45.960 a poster and sell the poster and thus sell the 1679 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:49.000 film like that kind of Roger Korman a school of thought. 1680 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:53.159 He played a different game. He would actually sell the 1681 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:56.840 entire film or the motion rights to the film. He 1682 01:24:56.840 --> 01:24:59.560 wouldn't parse it out. I was really still dealing with 1683 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:03.439 the student level of economics, and he real a true, 1684 01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:06.600 genuine independent. His whole thesis was he could make the 1685 01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:09.159 movie for less than a million dollars, and if it 1686 01:25:09.199 --> 01:25:11.680 was reasonably well made, you would hire talented Yet he 1687 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:15.880 had a good eye for young filmmakers and a recognizable face. 1688 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:20.079 I could sell the entire film for two million dollars 1689 01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:23.039 to a distributor, and he could make a million dollars, 1690 01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:26.239 and that was his business thesis. And that's just a 1691 01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:28.800 whole different economic model at that time. 1692 01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:31.640 The model that you were talking about with the whole 1693 01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:34.920 idea of the comes out theatrically, then moves over to 1694 01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:38.399 VHS or DVD if there's those steps. And that's what 1695 01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:40.720 I grew up with. So it's so unusual for me 1696 01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:45.520 now where it's oh, Mickey seventeen just came out and 1697 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:47.960 in two weeks it'll be on streaming, and it's just 1698 01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:50.399 such a different mindset that we have today. 1699 01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:50.760 Now. 1700 01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:53.079 I just went to lunch with an old friend who's 1701 01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:55.880 still a talent agent in the movie business. We went 1702 01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:58.479 to a restaurant here that was loaded with Hollywood people 1703 01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:00.279 that I hadn't seen in more than ten years years, 1704 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.319 and so I got an update and that basically the 1705 01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:06.880 economic structure has pivoted quite a bit since the days 1706 01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:09.800 that I was very active. The bundamental principles are still there, 1707 01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:13.039 but the economics are different and streaming is obviously dominant, 1708 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:16.520 and the upside has changed quite a bit. So it's 1709 01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:19.560 still an active, vibrant business. It's just a different business today. 1710 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:22.279 So I knew though I married an AX murderer is 1711 01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:24.880 over thirty years old. But can you walk me through 1712 01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.439 a little bit of the timeline, because did you do 1713 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:30.680 this after Rudy? Because I could never tell with release 1714 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:31.840 states and stuff. 1715 01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:36.239 There concurrent those are two scripts that I developed when 1716 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.960 I first So I had this nice job at Columbia 1717 01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:43.439 Pictures as an executive, but Sony bought the company and 1718 01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:46.279 it was a public company, so it was a windfall 1719 01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:51.720 for me because they bought everybody's stopped options. So I thought, no, 1720 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:55.319 this is a chance for me to not be an employee, 1721 01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:58.680 and that I was able to get an actual deal 1722 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:03.199 with the studio as a producer. So that's an interesting 1723 01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:05.520 thing when they do it a little nowadays, but they 1724 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:08.159 used to do it a lot then where an executive 1725 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.680 would leave their role as an executive and make a 1726 01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:14.520 producer deal with the studio paid for your overhead and 1727 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:19.279 your employees and your office and some of your screenplays 1728 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:22.479 in exchange for an opportunity to look at your projects first, 1729 01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:24.920 and if they didn't like the project, you were free 1730 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:28.560 to sell it elsewhere. And the two first projects were 1731 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.960 Rudy and Expert Rudy because I had worked on Hoosiers 1732 01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:38.880 an Axverter because it was loosely based on my personal life. 1733 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:43.199 Axvert was based on my relationship with my still wife. 1734 01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:46.279 I take it that's where you met, mister Travis. 1735 01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:49.640 Actually I was dating. I met her while I was 1736 01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:55.079 an executive at Columbia, and sometime after that I called 1737 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.239 her and we went on a date and we've been 1738 01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:03.399 together since that day. But because I was not really 1739 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.800 in the I didn't grow up in the film business, 1740 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:09.479 and I wasn't I certainly wouldn't describe myself as an artist, 1741 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.960 dating an actress was a unique I grew up in 1742 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:16.680 a fairly religious, conservative home, and so we looked at 1743 01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:21.039 the world extremely differently. Expansive was the word she used. 1744 01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:23.560 That I need to become more expensive in the early 1745 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:27.479 days of our relationship open up, but it was that 1746 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:30.800 was the challenge with us. But yet we were obviously 1747 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:33.600 doing well as a couple, and when we got to 1748 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:36.359 that point where maybe we need to either commit or 1749 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:39.439 not commit, I was afraid to commit. And so from 1750 01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:41.439 that came this idea of what are you afraid of? 1751 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:44.960 Fear of marriage itself. Mike Myers always said that the 1752 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:46.920 film should have been called Fear of Marriage. If it 1753 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:48.600 were called for a marriage or it would have been a 1754 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:52.920 commercial hit because it was called So I Married an accident, 1755 01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:55.439 or people thought it was like a horror thing or 1756 01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:57.760 a horror spool or something. So it was not a 1757 01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:00.199 commercial hit in the theaters. It was very sicks full 1758 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:05.039 after that, but its theatrical run was not successful. And 1759 01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:09.159 even to this day, he's upset, Mike to this day. 1760 01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:11.720 If you get to interview him, ask him, he blames 1761 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:13.920 me that we didn't change the title, and he's right 1762 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:19.720 because the very first film, very first script that I, 1763 01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:23.399 as a young executive, brought in developed and got made 1764 01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:26.760 into a movie was called Throw Mama from the Train, 1765 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:29.680 and that was a very big hit. And my boss 1766 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.520 at the time was a guy, a great guy named 1767 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.039 Mike Metavoy. When I became a producer, Mike was the 1768 01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:38.560 head of the studio at TriStar. So Mike and I 1769 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.640 had this successful experience of throwing Mama from the train 1770 01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:45.039 with this weird title. When Mike aldre to the movie 1771 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:46.840 the number one thing on his list, he said, I 1772 01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:48.800 need to do these things to commit to your movie. 1773 01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.520 Number one on the list was changed the title. We 1774 01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:54.279 never did change the title because Mike and I had 1775 01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:56.880 this successful experience, so we thought, so I married an 1776 01:29:56.880 --> 01:30:00.199 activert it would be. It wasn't. And Mike is still 1777 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:03.720 even to this day, I think he was right in retest. 1778 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:06.319 I think Fear of Marriage would have been a better title, 1779 01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:09.079 and that was the one he wanted. And we made 1780 01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:12.079 a mistake, Mike and I and Mike met a boy 1781 01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:13.680 and I and didn't do what Mike said, and I 1782 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:16.720 think we paid the price. But that the root of it, 1783 01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:19.640 this idea that if you get if you commit to marriage, 1784 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:21.399 somehow you'll die. 1785 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:25.159 How do you find the script and really say, Okay, 1786 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:26.359 this is going to be it, this is going to 1787 01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:27.279 be the next thing I do. 1788 01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:30.520 When I was an executive at Columbia Pictures, there was 1789 01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:33.119 a young writer named Robbie Fox, who I'm still very 1790 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.039 close friends with to this day, who I met with 1791 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:40.439 and I had talked to him about this issue that 1792 01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:44.840 I had that I'm marrying on dating an actress and 1793 01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:47.920 it does it I don't know that I can live with. 1794 01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:52.319 But and he thought that was funny, and so he 1795 01:30:52.520 --> 01:30:56.920 wrote a treatment of this idea and that a fear 1796 01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.920 of commitment and it could lead to this. And I know, 1797 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:01.960 even to this day I see him a lot, and 1798 01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:05.199 he remembers it slightly differently, but that's how I remember it. 1799 01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:07.319 And he wrote this treatment and I was in a 1800 01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:09.399 position to buy the treatment, so I did, and I 1801 01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:12.319 paid him to write the script. He wrote the script. 1802 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:14.840 It was pretty good script, and we were going to 1803 01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:19.039 actually make it with Gary Shandling. But my boss at 1804 01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:22.319 the time was a woman named don Steele, and she 1805 01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:25.279 had said she would make the movie commit to the 1806 01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:27.600 green light in the movie with Gary, but then changed 1807 01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:31.119 her mind at the last minute. Shortly there after, Sony 1808 01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:33.840 bought the company, I converted to producer and was able 1809 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:37.039 to bring that script with me. She still was there, 1810 01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:39.520 wouldn't make it with Gary, but there were other actors 1811 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:43.000 she was interested in. She then got fired actually, and 1812 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:46.039 they replaced her with other executives and the project went 1813 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:50.239 to Mike Meta Boy, but Gary Shandling was long gone, 1814 01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:53.079 so together we did this search. We met with many actors, 1815 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:55.840 but Mike was the best. Yeh dud Wayne's world. He 1816 01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:59.600 was catastic on Saturday Night Line. I thought it was genius. 1817 01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:02.520 I still I really think that Mike Myers is one 1818 01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:06.399 of the very unique rare talents that you come across. 1819 01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:12.680 He's a comedian actor, but he himself does not present 1820 01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:18.600 organically funded. His understanding of comedy is almost academic and intellectual, 1821 01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:24.479 so he's able to create comedic situations and comedic setups 1822 01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:28.079 that it requires a very rare brain to do what 1823 01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:31.920 he does. He had very specific ideas of what works 1824 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:34.159 and what doesn't work in film comedy, and it's a 1825 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:38.520 really a very impressive student of comedy, going all the 1826 01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:42.520 way back to Chapelin and Silent films and even the 1827 01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:46.399 current films, and had very specific ideas on what would 1828 01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:50.079 work and what wouldn't work. In almost every case he 1829 01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:50.479 was right. 1830 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:54.000 We talked about that list of demands, what other things 1831 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:54.840 were on that list? 1832 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:59.199 He wanted the father that he hadded a character of 1833 01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:01.680 the father. He wrote that character, and that he played 1834 01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:05.079 the character, and that he have the freedom to do 1835 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:07.479 a rewrite himself, and a lot of that, like all 1836 01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:11.279 that Scotted AGAs and the scottis all that is, Mike. 1837 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:14.159 The original script that was written by Robbie Fox, I 1838 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:16.800 would say it was more of a It had like 1839 01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:21.000 a paranoia field, like an almost Jewish comedy feel. In fact, 1840 01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:25.119 Robbie Fox and I flew to New York to Michael's 1841 01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:29.039 Bar where every Monday night Woody Allen used to play clarinet. 1842 01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:32.640 We went watched and went up to him after and 1843 01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:35.279 tried to get Woody Allen to play the part. It 1844 01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:37.960 was more of that kind of paranoia comedy. We tried 1845 01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:40.520 very hard to get Billy Crystal. We ended up landing 1846 01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:43.800 on Gary Shamley. It's just a different type of comedy, Mike. 1847 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.960 We wrote it so it was less about paranoia and 1848 01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:49.680 more about fear of commitment. So that was an on 1849 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:51.680 the list as well. I may even have that was 1850 01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:54.079 somewhere that we wrote. I met with him at a 1851 01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.880 hotel and sat down with him and had lunch, and 1852 01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.880 I wrote this list of ten things down and didn't 1853 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:02.399 delivered on nine out of ten. The one that we 1854 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:04.920 didn't deliver on we should have, which is the title. 1855 01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:07.560 There was another thing on the list was the San 1856 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:10.239 Francisco component that he really wanted it to be, that 1857 01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:14.439 coffee house culture. It wasn't that it was a New 1858 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:15.399 York comedy. 1859 01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:19.720 I wonder if that adds to the almost hitchcock nature, 1860 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:22.000 and I'm sure you're familiar with that with throw Mama from. 1861 01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:25.560 The Train exactly. In fact, to make for Mamma from 1862 01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:29.600 the Train, there was an absolutely brilliant comedic writer, one 1863 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:31.960 of the best writers I've ever met, named Stu Silver 1864 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:36.520 still writes. But he wrote that script on speck and 1865 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:39.600 I was in a position to buy it. His manager 1866 01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:44.479 presented to me an amazing producer named Larry Bresner, since 1867 01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:48.119 passed away, but was a talent manager who managed Billy 1868 01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:51.760 Bristol and Robin Williams and Woody Allen and many others. 1869 01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:55.319 Just wanted a legend in Hollywood. Represented Stu Silver, and 1870 01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:57.760 he brought me in the script and I remember reading 1871 01:34:57.760 --> 01:35:00.800 it on an airplane to New York and laughing loud 1872 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:03.800 on the plane and people were looking at me. Tromona 1873 01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:06.840 was a really funny strip, but it was too close 1874 01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:10.680 to Strangers on the Train. Our lawyers at the company said, 1875 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:14.279 you can't make this movie without the rights to Strangers 1876 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.319 on the Train. And some months after that, Warner Brothers 1877 01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:20.840 contacted us and said that they wanted to do a 1878 01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:24.720 sequel to the movie Arthur, which we had the rights. 1879 01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:29.840 So I proposed the trade. We'll give you the rights 1880 01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:33.720 to make a sequel to Arthur, which they did, if 1881 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:36.000 you give us the right to make this movie, which 1882 01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:38.680 is loosely based on Strangers on the Train Chris Cross. 1883 01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:41.399 And so we made throw Mano, which was a hit, 1884 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:43.640 and they made Arthur two, which was no. 1885 01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:47.840 It was forever before Arthur iiO came out, though, wasn't it. 1886 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:51.640 Yeah, but they still wanted the rights. The movies are 1887 01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:54.560 hard to come together. There's so many component pieces to 1888 01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:57.359 it that you think it gonna happen quickly. The Godzilla 1889 01:35:57.439 --> 01:35:59.079 rights took nine years. 1890 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:01.800 Even imagine the red tape. 1891 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:05.399 You had to go through with the Japanese producer, not just. 1892 01:36:05.359 --> 01:36:08.880 The producers, the creator, the original Godzilla creator was alive. 1893 01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:12.199 Then I had to play golf with him. But yeah, 1894 01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.600 so you never know with films. He could sometimes it 1895 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.039 happened quickly and sometimes they take decades. 1896 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:22.039 How did Tommy SCHLAMI come to the project. 1897 01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:25.920 Billy Crystal, who I had done throwm from the Train 1898 01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:28.840 with and was thinking about doing so. I married an 1899 01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:32.720 axe Nurder but didn't had done an HBO comedy special 1900 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:36.199 with him. Tommy directed an HBO comedy special with Billy, 1901 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:38.880 and Billy told me I remember exactly. I said, what 1902 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:40.960 do you think about Tommy? He said, he's got he's 1903 01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:44.000 got a funny bull. Those is exactly what he said. 1904 01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:47.279 He's got a good funny bull. And we knew already 1905 01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:49.119 that he was a pretty good filmmaker. He had made 1906 01:36:49.159 --> 01:36:53.439 a film called Miss Firecracker, which was good fundamental filmmaking. 1907 01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:56.279 Turned out not to be a great match with Mike. 1908 01:36:57.079 --> 01:36:59.960 He was actually too much in the filmmaker. Mike was 1909 01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:03.159 really just about the comedy. Depart for comedy was the joke. 1910 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:06.119 So everything had You had to set up the joke, 1911 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:10.000 prepare the joke, deliver the joke, and hit the reaction 1912 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:10.640 to the joke. 1913 01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:11.640 So it was all about. 1914 01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:15.800 He had this phrase, lay down tracks, one eyed Jack, 1915 01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:18.640 lay down tracks, one eye Jacks. And what he meant 1916 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:21.880 by that was if there were tracks, In other words, 1917 01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:25.439 if there was a dollar, then the camera was not going. 1918 01:37:25.319 --> 01:37:26.319 To catch two eyes. 1919 01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.680 It was only going to catch one of them. Lay 1920 01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:32.800 down tracks one eyed Jacks. And he believed that when 1921 01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:36.079 the punchline in a movie is delivered, the camera has 1922 01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:38.720 to stop and you need to see the face straight 1923 01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:41.720 on both eyes to deliver the punchline, and then you 1924 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:45.000 need a reaction shot. But if we're moving the camera 1925 01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:47.640 and you're just catching the side of the face when 1926 01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:51.319 the joke is delivered, he believed the joke is not optimized. 1927 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:56.800 Tommy did not agree. Tommy was more of a filmmaker. 1928 01:37:56.840 --> 01:37:59.439 He wanted the camera to move around with dark lights, 1929 01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:03.439 and so he was less concerned about the comedy and 1930 01:38:03.479 --> 01:38:07.199 more concerned about the storytelling and the visualization of the film, 1931 01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:09.359 And so they were not a good fit. It was 1932 01:38:09.399 --> 01:38:13.439 a mistake I made in Parent Tommy with Mike. 1933 01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:16.560 So was it always a given that Nancy would be 1934 01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:17.960 the main female lead. 1935 01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:21.680 Sharon Stone wanted it very much at the time Mike 1936 01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:25.319 and I had dinner with her. No, No, she had 1937 01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:27.960 an audition and the studio had to approve of it. 1938 01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:30.039 Of course, Mike Myers was the head of the studio, 1939 01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:32.560 but his executives who were someone named Mark Blatt who 1940 01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:36.039 was still very active, and Stacy Snyder, who's still also 1941 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:39.439 very active. They were the senior executives that worked for Mike, 1942 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:42.079 but they were difficult and approving. They liked Mike, but 1943 01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:45.359 they really wanted to be careful that we were casting 1944 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:49.000 the girlfriend of the producer. But they ultimately did and 1945 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:51.359 Nancy did a great job. Worked out really well. 1946 01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:53.520 How was that working with your girlfriend? 1947 01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:58.000 It wasn't easy, but we got through it and we 1948 01:38:58.039 --> 01:38:59.279 got engaged. 1949 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:02.840 After that, so there was some success then. Yeah, and 1950 01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:06.560 you guys are still together now. Yes, Ah, that's amazing, 1951 01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:07.279 that's great. 1952 01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:08.279 Yeah. 1953 01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:11.319 The cast for that movie is just phenomena. Alan Arkin 1954 01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:14.680 and Lapaglea. The way that they go back and forth, 1955 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:17.319 that is some of my favorite stuff in the whole movie. 1956 01:39:18.079 --> 01:39:21.439 Yeah, I love that scene two words therapy. 1957 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:22.439 I loved that. 1958 01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:26.239 But also there were all these cameos that were great. 1959 01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:30.600 Phil Hartman in particular, and Michael Richards and Stephen Wright 1960 01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:35.279 and Charles Groden. Yep, we worked hard on that movie. 1961 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:36.640 We put a lot into that. 1962 01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.399 What do you remember about the making of the film. 1963 01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:42.239 Well, the obviously the notable thing was there was some 1964 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:44.920 tension between the director and the lead actor, so that 1965 01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:48.319 was a lot to manage. At the end, it worked out. 1966 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:51.560 We reached compromises, but it was a lot of stress 1967 01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:55.079 during the making of the film, and then we did 1968 01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:59.279 some re editing and reshooting, not with Tom. The scores 1969 01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:02.279 at the end were extremely high when we did the 1970 01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:08.000 audience testing, exceptionally high, so audiences liked it very much, 1971 01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:10.279 but we just didn't have the great title, I think, 1972 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:12.920 and so they didn't quite know how to market it, 1973 01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:17.000 and it ended up not being a huge box office hit. 1974 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:21.800 But I also remember Mike. He bought me these street 1975 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:26.600 hockey equipment, like these rollerblades and a stick because he 1976 01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:29.600 was always looking for a friend to play hockey with, 1977 01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:32.399 which I don't have to play hockey, and he's great 1978 01:40:32.439 --> 01:40:34.960 at it, so I would do it just so that 1979 01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:37.760 he could remember that very well. And Anthony and I 1980 01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:42.119 played video games constantly. I remember that very well too, 1981 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:44.479 and we became very close friends. Even to this day, 1982 01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:46.359 he lives in the neighborhood. We see each other quite 1983 01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:49.159 a bit. We stayed friends. I also remember going to 1984 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:52.760 a Toronto Maple Leafs game with Mike and walking in 1985 01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:57.760 in the entire crowd stopped He's so beloved there that 1986 01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:00.359 they almost stopped the game to all so that he 1987 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:03.359 was I remember that very well in the making of 1988 01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:05.159 the film as well, and of course just living in 1989 01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:08.760 San Francisco at that time. It's really San Francisco is 1990 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:11.960 still a beautiful city, but in the nineties, San Francisco 1991 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.039 is like, in some ways the best city in America. 1992 01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:18.239 And I just loved Nancy and I loved a few 1993 01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:19.119 months living there. 1994 01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:21.640 Did I read write that the ending was changed for 1995 01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:22.359 the film. 1996 01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:25.119 It wasn't rewritten it. We just reshot it. 1997 01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:25.960 That's all, Okay. 1998 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:28.680 What was the original supposed to be saying? 1999 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:29.840 It was just we shot it better. 2000 01:41:30.119 --> 01:41:33.600 I thought maybe she was supposed to be an ex 2001 01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:35.560 murderer rather than Amanda Plumber. 2002 01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:40.520 No, Amanda Plumber was great in the movie. There was 2003 01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.479 some discussion it was an actress Inlita da Vidovitch who 2004 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:45.680 looks like Nance, and that would have been a very 2005 01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:50.079 different movie in some ways interesting as well. Amanda was 2006 01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:54.039 the way she performed it almost as to tell you 2007 01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:56.439 know that she's so extravagant. We knew that was going 2008 01:41:56.520 --> 01:41:59.039 to be the ending, I would say for those that 2009 01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:02.319 haven't seen it, but Gooding most people on your podcasts 2010 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:04.520 have seen the movie we were contemplating. 2011 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:07.600 Happily ever after, I went to see it at the theater, 2012 01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:10.279 and I remember having a fantastic time when I saw 2013 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:12.359 it all the way back in ninety three, still of 2014 01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:15.359 it today. I didn't get why people weren't flocking to 2015 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:16.720 this movie. It was incredible. 2016 01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:19.439 Who knows, but Mike may have been right. It might 2017 01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:20.159 have been the title. 2018 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:23.039 Can you tell me about the posters? Because the poster 2019 01:42:23.079 --> 01:42:25.239 always looked a little strange to me, where he's got 2020 01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:27.960 the flowers behind his back and it looks like she 2021 01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:30.000 should be holding the naxe, but she isn't. 2022 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:33.880 I think the studio didn't know where to go with it, 2023 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:37.119 so they just try to make some sort of pseudo 2024 01:42:37.359 --> 01:42:42.640 hitchcocky and murder thriller comedy, and it just seemed like 2025 01:42:42.680 --> 01:42:45.439 it fell in between. But if they had just gone 2026 01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:49.000 more in the direction of a romantic comedy of some 2027 01:42:49.079 --> 01:42:53.800 sort of edge to it, downplayed the murder element, up 2028 01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:56.239 played the comedy of it in the relationship, I think 2029 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:58.840 they probably would have had a big hit, because instead 2030 01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:02.800 it scored very hot with audiences, So I would have 2031 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:05.520 had led had they been able to open. 2032 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:08.239 It You've produced so many different things over the years. 2033 01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:08.840 I'm curious. 2034 01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:12.479 Are there things about projects that attract you in nately 2035 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:14.920 or were you obvious looking for a new challenge. 2036 01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:20.560 I just was responding to things that were inspiring at 2037 01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:22.880 the time. When I first started, I said, I didn't 2038 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:25.399 really know much about movie making at all, so I 2039 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:28.880 tended to gravitate towards stories that I could relate to. 2040 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.479 So I worked on a lot of sports movies. So 2041 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:35.119 that's why it's like Hoosiers in Bull, Durham and Hateman 2042 01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:38.640 Out and Rudy. You know, I understood sports very well. 2043 01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:41.640 And then as I evolved, I learned more and more 2044 01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:45.840 about actual filmmaking, and I felt more comfortable hiring young 2045 01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:50.399 filmmakers and guiding them something like Boumdack Saints or even Collateral, 2046 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:54.960 where you know, the greater appreciation for screenwriting and directing, 2047 01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:57.720 And had I kept going, what would have been more 2048 01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:00.399 of that? I think it was really more just a 2049 01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:02.960 reflection of my evolution as a filmmaker. 2050 01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:06.880 Collateral is another one that I just cannot say enough 2051 01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:10.520 nice things about, just so well made and what a 2052 01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:13.399 great turn for Tom Cruise in that movie. Definitely one 2053 01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:15.159 of the best times he's played a villain. 2054 01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:19.439 It was supposed to be Russell Crowe and we developed 2055 01:44:19.439 --> 01:44:21.840 the script at the time. This is right around the 2056 01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:26.680 time that I decided to leave Hollywood, but I was 2057 01:44:26.760 --> 01:44:31.239 partnered with a writer, director Frank Darabumm, and we were 2058 01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:34.399 going to form like an imagined pictures of partnership together, 2059 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:37.359 and this was the second film that we did together. 2060 01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:42.520 Frank rewrote that script and his rewrite was really beautiful, 2061 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:44.800 and Russell prow read it and wanted to do it. 2062 01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:50.199 And it was a New York Brooklyn cab and there 2063 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:52.800 really isn't a cab culture in LA, but there's a 2064 01:44:52.840 --> 01:44:56.079 really great cab culture in New York, and Russell would 2065 01:44:56.079 --> 01:44:59.720 have been amazing. But we struggled to find a director 2066 01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:05.439 it or with Russell for various reasons. So Michael Mann 2067 01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:08.720 stepped up and said, look, I love the script, but 2068 01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:12.039 I got two problems. One is I got to reconcile 2069 01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:15.000 some differences with Russell. They had made The Insider together, 2070 01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:17.159 which is a spectacular movie, but I guess they just 2071 01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:20.720 had to sit down and iron at something out. But 2072 01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:22.479 the bigger issue was he did not want to do 2073 01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:26.000 a New York cab movie. He said I've always wanted 2074 01:45:26.000 --> 01:45:28.800 to do a movie about the LA culture, and I 2075 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:32.199 can use this to tell the story of La at night. 2076 01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:35.960 And Russell said, no, this is a New York cab movie, 2077 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:39.920 so that couldn't get reconciled. So ultimately we had to 2078 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:44.560 pick one, and we went with Michael, and within a 2079 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:49.640 couple of days Tom was it. And he worked really aggressively. 2080 01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:54.880 He really studied really hard. He actually dressed up as 2081 01:45:54.920 --> 01:46:02.720 a post office delivery person in disguise in parts of 2082 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.640 LA so that he could interact with people in La 2083 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:08.720 so he could understand a little bit of what Michael 2084 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:12.560 wanted to deliver about LA culture in parts of the 2085 01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:16.760 city that Tom was less familiar with. That's how committed 2086 01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.520 he was. He dyed his hair and it was a 2087 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:22.560 villain roll, and I thought he did a brilliant job. 2088 01:46:22.640 --> 01:46:27.880 I really liked him and working with him his commitment 2089 01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:32.520 was enviable and oppressive. But of course, the big discovery 2090 01:46:32.560 --> 01:46:35.039 there was Jamie Popp. I mean, at that time we 2091 01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:37.520 all knew him as a comedian and he got an 2092 01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:40.960 Oscar nomination for it. And that was also the first 2093 01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:44.640 studio movie shot on video, and that was an enormous 2094 01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:46.920 video camera but the way he had done the lights, 2095 01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:51.000 so these little blue lights in the cab, so because 2096 01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.199 he was very concerned about the way the video camera 2097 01:46:53.239 --> 01:46:54.800 would pick it up. But you look at it now 2098 01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:57.560 and it's just beautiful. It was very impressive. It's work 2099 01:46:57.600 --> 01:47:00.720 I think from not just Michael Mahnhole crew. 2100 01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:03.680 You mentioned leaving Hollywood. I'm curious what you were working 2101 01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:04.760 on these days. 2102 01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:09.119 Actually, I didn't really start as a filmmate. I was 2103 01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:13.000 really interested in many things, and I just fell into 2104 01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:15.880 the film business having come out of business school. But 2105 01:47:15.920 --> 01:47:19.039 I was interested in enterprises in general and business building, 2106 01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:20.960 and there were a lot of things that were interesting 2107 01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:23.560 me besides film. And around that time I started getting 2108 01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:27.840 very involved in various Internet ventures, and a couple of 2109 01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:33.840 them became fairly significant and more fruitful for me than 2110 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.720 felt making. Even though the filmmaking was going pretty well, 2111 01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:40.600 the technology of it was really exciting. I found that 2112 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:43.520 by the time Collateral came out, I was spending fifty 2113 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:46.319 percent of my time on two Internet ventures and fifty 2114 01:47:46.319 --> 01:47:50.199 percent of my time films, and those ventures just tended 2115 01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:53.279 to evolve and grow. But that's not what I do today. 2116 01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:57.760 Sometime around that time I went to an investor conference 2117 01:47:57.800 --> 01:48:00.439 at the actual Internet conference, and I met a CEO 2118 01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:04.319 of a stem cell biotech company that was developing something 2119 01:48:04.359 --> 01:48:08.199 called telomeres. And those are little fragments of protein that 2120 01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:11.640 are attached to chromosomes, and every time the cell divides, 2121 01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:15.359 they shrink a little. And when these telomeres become little steps, 2122 01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:19.000 the cell becomes what's called SINSI, meaning it alive but 2123 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:23.119 non functional. And that's part of what contributes to the 2124 01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:26.000 process of metabolic agent. And I said, wait a minute, 2125 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:28.000 you're saying that science is going to figure out a 2126 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:33.079 way to stop the aging process. The science of telomeres 2127 01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:36.520 over the years led to various problems for why it's 2128 01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:39.880 not applicable for humans. This was twenty five years ago, 2129 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:43.199 but those science has pivoted from that to something else 2130 01:48:43.319 --> 01:48:46.760 called the curtuins, which are genes that they think get 2131 01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:50.479 activated when you drink red wine. To remember that craze 2132 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:52.600 in the two thousands about if you drink red wine, 2133 01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:56.399 your age slower. But what happened around twenty ten is 2134 01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:59.439 the discovery of a coenzyme that's found in all living 2135 01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:04.760 cells called nicotinamide adine di nucleotide NAD. And this NAD 2136 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:07.520 is a co enzyme that works with other enzymes in 2137 01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:11.640 the cell for all Metapolitan processes, but like energy, metabolism 2138 01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:15.000 and repair of cell damage are the two notable ones, 2139 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:19.199 and that does work. So there was a company down 2140 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:22.039 in Orange County that had a large patent portfolio of 2141 01:49:22.279 --> 01:49:24.399 R and D company and had done a lot of 2142 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:29.319 research on molecules that elevate this coenzyme called NAD. So 2143 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:33.039 I got involved in this company and waiting on the 2144 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:35.479 board of this company, and today I run that company, 2145 01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:39.399 and that company is called Niagen Bioscience. We sell a 2146 01:49:39.439 --> 01:49:43.800 product called true Nigen, and we also sell something called 2147 01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:46.560 Nigen IV, which is like this. A lot of people 2148 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:50.159 get these IV of NAD or injections of NAD. It's 2149 01:49:50.279 --> 01:49:54.079 very popular in Hollywood, very anti aging. They end with 2150 01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:58.800 athletes and biohackers and things. And this is a very exciting, 2151 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:03.640 cutting edge area of scientific research that we develop. We 2152 01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:08.039 sell that product. We're also developing drugs for age related 2153 01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:11.680 diseases like Parkinson's disease. And this is a very exciting 2154 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:13.560 thing for me. I enjoy it a lot. It's very 2155 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:17.920 different than filmmaking. I love film still, but this is 2156 01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:20.520 something that I find very inspiring. We can impact the 2157 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:24.600 way that human body ages, and we have real material science, 2158 01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:27.760 like published clinical studies that show how it works and 2159 01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:31.560 that it works, and it's become quite clopable. The product 2160 01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:33.359 is called true Nigen if you wanted to buy it 2161 01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:37.399 on Amazon. But also these health clinics or anti aging 2162 01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:40.800 clinics are all make this thing available, these NIGE and ivs, 2163 01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:44.359 and it's quite popular and I enjoy it very much. 2164 01:50:44.439 --> 01:50:48.199 It's very stimulating, it has a great scientific component and 2165 01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:52.920 impact people's lives a very dramatic and significant way. So 2166 01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.720 that's what I've been doing now for ten years. 2167 01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:58.399 That's fantastic. I will definitely be looking that up. 2168 01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:00.800 Rob. Thank you so much much for your time. This 2169 01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:01.800 was great talking with you. 2170 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:03.479 That is my pleasure. 2171 01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:21.159 All Right, we are back. 2172 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:24.000 And we were talking about so I married an axe murderer, 2173 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:27.560 and yeah, you talked about that alternate world where what 2174 01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:30.279 would have happened if Bill Hartman had lived. I would 2175 01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:32.880 have loved to have known an alternate world where this 2176 01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:36.600 was a hit, and maybe we actually got more Mike 2177 01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:41.079 Myers Sons prosthetics for a while and just actually had 2178 01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:43.520 him show up like a normal person, like going back 2179 01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:47.720 to the Pentaborat the main character that he plays in there, 2180 01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:51.199 the Reporter character. I wish it would have just been 2181 01:51:51.239 --> 01:51:54.640 Mike Myers as the Reporter character, rather than Mike Myers 2182 01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:58.199 under a shit ton of makeup as the Reporter character. 2183 01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:01.239 And though there are moments in the movie, in that 2184 01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:03.399 movie and or sorry of the series, I should say 2185 01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:07.720 where like you were saying with Stuart Mackenzie, I couldn't 2186 01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:10.319 see Mike Myers in the person at all. Like the 2187 01:52:10.319 --> 01:52:13.039 makeup was done so well. He plays a very, very 2188 01:52:13.199 --> 01:52:15.840 very old man, and I think very old man is 2189 01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:18.640 probably the worst makeup to do. You can look really 2190 01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:23.199 bad if you're in poor age makeup. But he looks fantastic, 2191 01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:25.560 better than I think he does is any other role 2192 01:52:26.159 --> 01:52:29.720 in that particular show. And yeah, kind of it's like 2193 01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:33.039 for me, like he's great when he's hidden in makeup, 2194 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:35.640 or he's for me really good when he's not a 2195 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:38.399 makeup at all. But we just barely get those times 2196 01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:41.720 to not have him in makeup or wigs or funny 2197 01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:43.960 glasses earning of those things. I would love to see 2198 01:52:43.960 --> 01:52:44.520 more of that. 2199 01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:46.880 When I was watching upin Tavert, the one thing I 2200 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:48.520 kept running into my mind, it's like, who does he 2201 01:52:48.600 --> 01:52:51.680 remind me of? And then it hit me, it reminds 2202 01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:54.279 me of Bob Hope in the seventies. It was a 2203 01:52:54.399 --> 01:52:57.000 period where he just kept going to what was popular 2204 01:52:57.079 --> 01:53:01.079 and what he would what people liked liked years ago, 2205 01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:07.600 and he keeps hitting it to diminishing returns, and watching this, 2206 01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:09.800 it just seemed like, Okay, well this work Land did 2207 01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:12.960 Austin powers, let me just keep doing it. People likes 2208 01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:16.880 this and there's like a degree of desperation and there's 2209 01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:19.920 like a degree of like you know, creative bankruptcy attached 2210 01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:23.239 the pentabor where it's like, come on, man, you there's 2211 01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:26.079 something there, like why haven't you grown? This is the 2212 01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:30.279 same stuff, you know, like I know you're better than this, 2213 01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.560 you know, but it's just in And I'll tell it. 2214 01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:36.039 That was a series that was a series. It didn't 2215 01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:39.239 need to be a series, you know, it's it. But 2216 01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:42.039 I mean this, like I said, I have like a 2217 01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:44.319 love hate relationship with Mike Myers, and like whatever he 2218 01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:46.600 does new, I gotta I gotta sit and watch it. 2219 01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:49.039 And I sat and watch the paver It it was 2220 01:53:49.079 --> 01:53:49.520 not good. 2221 01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:53.079 You know, that's fascinating, Like the way you're describing it, 2222 01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:56.000 and I haven't seen the Pentavern, but it almost feels 2223 01:53:56.079 --> 01:53:58.439 like it speaks to whether he doesn't trust himself or 2224 01:53:58.479 --> 01:54:00.800 he doesn't trust us. He doesn't trust us to like 2225 01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:02.399 him if he's not a makeup, or he doesn't trust 2226 01:54:02.479 --> 01:54:04.399 himself not to be funny if he's not a makeup 2227 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:06.760 I won't Maybe if this had been a hit, maybe 2228 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:09.600 he would have felt like there was that trust. 2229 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:12.479 That's what I think too, because like now you can't 2230 01:54:12.520 --> 01:54:15.319 see him where he's not under a ton of stuff. 2231 01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:17.840 Like I think a lot of people were like, oh, 2232 01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:19.880 look at who is this guy when he was in 2233 01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:23.359 Inglorious Bastards. Though with that, I was just like, wow, 2234 01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:26.640 that is really bad. That does not look good at all. 2235 01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:29.279 And then you get just like slight makeup stuff with 2236 01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:34.039 things like Bohemian Rhapsody, which yeah, there's the irony of 2237 01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:37.359 him talking about Bohemian rhapsoy to the song and how 2238 01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:41.119 he helped make a repopular again with Wayne's World. But 2239 01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:44.000 it was so such a stretch. It was like, really 2240 01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:47.399 do we have to do? You know, you come to 2241 01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:49.279 something like The Cat in the Hat where it's just like, 2242 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:51.039 all right, we're gonna put this guy in the most 2243 01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:54.319 makeup he's ever been in in his life, and it 2244 01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:55.840 is just going to turn out to be one of 2245 01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:57.520 the worst things that they've ever done. 2246 01:54:57.880 --> 01:55:03.319 I've grown to love the cat because Holy because here's why. 2247 01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:06.920 Because the behind the scenes story is so fascinating to me. 2248 01:55:07.319 --> 01:55:10.840 And also the fact that he just clearly the whole 2249 01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:13.079 movie was a penance for him. It's because you did 2250 01:55:13.079 --> 01:55:16.000 not use rockets, so you're sentenced to do this movie 2251 01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:19.720 for imagine entertainment. And the fact that he was just 2252 01:55:19.840 --> 01:55:23.199 miserable on the set and every shot of him is 2253 01:55:23.319 --> 01:55:26.159 just like he's shot alone. Whenever he's talking to somebody's 2254 01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:29.199 talking to the camera, they cut to like Dakota Fanning 2255 01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:32.520 and the other kid or any other almost any other character. 2256 01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:35.119 He's like in a vacuum in this movie. And on 2257 01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:37.760 top of it's like a seventy six minute movie, it's 2258 01:55:37.800 --> 01:55:41.479 really short, and there's a wealth of deleted scenes where's 2259 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:44.399 mostly just Thing one and Thing two pissing on things. 2260 01:55:45.039 --> 01:55:49.399 And this movie has become like endlessly fascinating me because 2261 01:55:49.399 --> 01:55:52.319 it's so like he didn't want to do it, and 2262 01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:55.760 it's like so ill conceived that I just it turned 2263 01:55:55.800 --> 01:55:58.000 around and I just now I fucking love it. 2264 01:55:58.279 --> 01:56:00.800 You know, you might be the other person I've ever 2265 01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:03.000 heard say nice things about that movie. 2266 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:07.439 Do you think he'll have maybe a Jim carreysh resurrection 2267 01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:09.960 where he figures out, Hey, I'll be the villain in 2268 01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:11.520 a kid's movie and I'll do a really good job. 2269 01:56:12.199 --> 01:56:14.359 I would love it. I mean, I would love any 2270 01:56:14.479 --> 01:56:17.359 kind of comeback. I like I said, I have like 2271 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:20.760 a weird love hate relationship with him. Anything he does, 2272 01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:23.600 I'm just ready to see, you know. And I would 2273 01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:26.159 love for him to have a career come back. Maybe 2274 01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:29.000 one day he will, I hope. So you know, no, 2275 01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:31.560 I have nothing but respect for this guy. And I 2276 01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:33.680 know a lot of people, like we were saying before, 2277 01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:36.119 like they were laying and wait for this movie and 2278 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:38.640 just wanted to take him down so much because of 2279 01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:41.760 the popularity of Wayne's world. And how dare this How 2280 01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:44.000 did this guy come off of Saturday Night Live and 2281 01:56:44.039 --> 01:56:46.479 think he can take the comedy world by storm? I 2282 01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:50.960 think if this was made twenty years after, after nineteen 2283 01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:53.840 ninety three, when it was very common for people to 2284 01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:58.159 go from Saturday Night Live to movies maybe even back again, 2285 01:56:58.840 --> 01:57:02.560 two varying degrees of success, But you know, Wayne's World 2286 01:57:02.640 --> 01:57:05.119 was such a fluke at the time. It was like, 2287 01:57:05.359 --> 01:57:09.760 I think the only popular SNL movie that had come 2288 01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:13.199 out since The Blues Brothers and everything else, I mean, 2289 01:57:13.279 --> 01:57:17.359 unless you count Spinal Tap, but everything else was just like, no, 2290 01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:20.239 we don't want this. You know, this is not a 2291 01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:24.000 Superstar or the Ladies Man or Knight at the Roxbury. 2292 01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:27.319 I mean, Wayne's World was like a real thing, and 2293 01:57:27.359 --> 01:57:29.439 then it's just like, oh, it put this guy on 2294 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:31.359 the map, and then sure enough, we're going to try 2295 01:57:31.399 --> 01:57:34.279 to take him down, especially because he didn't have the protection. 2296 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:37.640 He wasn't playing a character other than his father. He 2297 01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:40.760 was playing probably as close to Mike Myers as where 2298 01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:41.479 ever going to get. 2299 01:57:41.720 --> 01:57:43.359 You're right, and this is also coming out i think 2300 01:57:43.399 --> 01:57:45.199 the same year as Wayne's World too, so it's like 2301 01:57:45.279 --> 01:57:48.399 back to back Wayne's World, then Wayne's World two, and 2302 01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:51.279 this that same year, and with him being the type 2303 01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:55.039 of person who's comedy I think embedded itself so deeply 2304 01:57:55.039 --> 01:57:57.600 in other people in the culture, like a pod person 2305 01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:00.840 like me. I mean, I imagine being at five year old, 2306 01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:03.399 forty five year old, fifty five year old movie critic. 2307 01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:05.840 Your teenagers are talking like this guy all the time. 2308 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:08.199 Who you find kind of annoying. You're like, bring him down. 2309 01:58:08.359 --> 01:58:10.520 I'm over it. I'm not doing it, you know, like 2310 01:58:10.560 --> 01:58:12.720 because he made us all talk like him. 2311 01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:15.359 Yeah, we were just talking about that on a recent 2312 01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:19.399 episode of James Bond podcast. I do and everybody's doing 2313 01:58:19.479 --> 01:58:23.159 their Awestoin Powers. I'm just like, I never really did 2314 01:58:23.159 --> 01:58:25.720 Austin Powers. I was much more doctor evil guy. 2315 01:58:25.880 --> 01:58:26.079 You know. 2316 01:58:26.119 --> 01:58:28.880 I could do the whole, you know, meat helmets speech 2317 01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:31.840 kind of thing. But I was never the big fan 2318 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:35.199 of Austin Powers as much as the other guy, because 2319 01:58:35.199 --> 01:58:36.880 I thought they was great at that and then all 2320 01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:40.319 only to find that that was kind of a ripoff 2321 01:58:40.399 --> 01:58:45.239 impersonation that he was doing of Dana Carvey doing Michael. Yeah, 2322 01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:47.520 that's kind of sad. I kind of bummed that he 2323 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:50.239 took that without asking Dana Carvey if it was all right. 2324 01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.640 Isn't that fascinating? Yeah, that it was like Dana Carvey, 2325 01:58:53.640 --> 01:58:56.159 who will put the finger to the side of his mouth. 2326 01:58:56.159 --> 01:58:59.479 Because Lauren would his chow his cuticles or whatever. And 2327 01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:03.000 then the whole idea too, of this not having any 2328 01:59:03.079 --> 01:59:06.079 sort of special features for the DVD or anything, that 2329 01:59:06.119 --> 01:59:09.000 I had to buy this four K to see these things, 2330 01:59:09.359 --> 01:59:12.560 and there's no setup, nothing that as far as like, 2331 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:15.399 oh well this comes at this point, it's just like boom. 2332 01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:20.520 They take twenty seven thirty minutes of cut scenes and 2333 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:22.840 they just squash them all together, throw them onto this 2334 01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:26.079 disc and that's it. You know, Like there's no commentary, 2335 01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:28.640 no making out of nothing. But at least we got 2336 01:59:28.680 --> 01:59:31.079 to see those so to see where those came in. 2337 01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:35.680 And like you get to see the death of Ralph. 2338 01:59:36.399 --> 01:59:38.520 Trying to remember who played Ralph in that one, but 2339 01:59:38.640 --> 01:59:40.600 like so you get a little bit of Ralph. You 2340 01:59:40.640 --> 01:59:43.279 get to see his ass crack like crazy because he's 2341 01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:47.159 a plumber, and you get to see Rose or somebody 2342 01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:50.920 kill him. And then yeah, there's other stuff in there, 2343 01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:53.399 like the like I'm talking about, the whole photograph thing 2344 01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:56.119 and and all of those. There's a little bit more 2345 01:59:56.159 --> 01:59:59.720 when it comes to they actually meet before the Hagas scene, 2346 01:59:59.760 --> 02:00:03.159 and I think that might replace the Haga scene where 2347 02:00:04.319 --> 02:00:07.760 the first time he meets Harriet, she is not in 2348 02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:10.600 the store. He's ringing the bell. She's not in the store. 2349 02:00:10.680 --> 02:00:13.800 She comes running in all out of breath, hearing a 2350 02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:17.920 piece of meat and saying that she had a shoplifter 2351 02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:21.000 and so he makes this whole joke about it, like, oh, 2352 02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:24.119 she cut this piece of meat off of the shoplifter 2353 02:00:24.279 --> 02:00:27.239 and that's like his penance or whatever. But she's like, no, 2354 02:00:27.319 --> 02:00:29.359 he was trying to steal meat. And I'm like, that's 2355 02:00:29.399 --> 02:00:34.279 such a weird, weird flex but okay, really played more 2356 02:00:34.279 --> 02:00:38.760 into that whole international meat market thing that they talk 2357 02:00:38.800 --> 02:00:41.000 a little bit about, like that's why she's got the hagis. 2358 02:00:41.079 --> 02:00:44.079 But this was some sort of like Icelandic venison or 2359 02:00:44.119 --> 02:00:47.199 something that this guy stole. So yeah, it was It 2360 02:00:47.279 --> 02:00:49.000 was weird to see some of those scenes and to 2361 02:00:49.039 --> 02:00:51.279 see the replays of some of those scenes where you're 2362 02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:54.000 just like, okay, they had to redo this whole thing, 2363 02:00:54.079 --> 02:00:57.319 Like even like the Russian Sailors, that's completely different in 2364 02:00:57.399 --> 02:01:01.000 these elited scenes. It's just a whole different take of it. 2365 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:04.159 Really, does she say something different? I don't speak that. 2366 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:06.079 I don't really speak Gresha, but I thought she called 2367 02:01:06.079 --> 02:01:08.359 them little boys or little mean boys or something. 2368 02:01:08.760 --> 02:01:10.439 Was it like linear? Did it? Like what did it 2369 02:01:10.479 --> 02:01:12.720 like play out kind of like the way the scenes 2370 02:01:12.720 --> 02:01:13.760 play on the movie. 2371 02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:16.560 That was one nice thing where you're like, Okay, I 2372 02:01:16.600 --> 02:01:19.039 can see where this was supposed to be and I 2373 02:01:19.079 --> 02:01:22.319 remember this from reading the script. Weird people in the 2374 02:01:22.439 --> 02:01:26.199 coffee Shop. There's a guy named Sack who's just a 2375 02:01:26.199 --> 02:01:29.159 person that lives on a sack. There was a guy 2376 02:01:29.239 --> 02:01:32.399 named Gus, who I guess is like his mentor, and 2377 02:01:32.439 --> 02:01:35.920 he's and I can't remember who the actor is that 2378 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:37.760 played him, and I tried to look him up last 2379 02:01:37.800 --> 02:01:40.279 night just to make sure I didn't say the wrong person, 2380 02:01:40.319 --> 02:01:42.800 but I couldn't find who it was. Yeah, there's a 2381 02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:48.840 part where Charlie's like workshopping a home about Harriet the Butcher, 2382 02:01:49.439 --> 02:01:50.680 and he's like. 2383 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:51.640 Oh, how how is it? 2384 02:01:51.720 --> 02:01:54.079 And he's like, oh, yeah, it's fantastic. And then later 2385 02:01:54.159 --> 02:01:57.239 on Harriet is talking with this guy and he's just 2386 02:01:57.279 --> 02:02:00.560 talking about how Charlie's not that talented him, Like, go, okay, 2387 02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:05.800 there's a lot more about the smoothie. You actually get 2388 02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:09.239 to see the smoothie being made. There's all the stuff 2389 02:02:09.279 --> 02:02:14.159 about the photographs that Rose takes. Of course, there's this 2390 02:02:14.199 --> 02:02:16.079 stuff about the father that I mentioned. 2391 02:02:16.600 --> 02:02:19.279 There's also a Bart sequence. Did they shoot that? 2392 02:02:19.760 --> 02:02:21.920 I think there is a Bart sequence, because yeah, they 2393 02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:24.399 do talk about that, but I'm trying to remember what 2394 02:02:24.479 --> 02:02:25.319 happens in that one. 2395 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:28.439 It's like a bit where like she keeps getting closer 2396 02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:33.479 and closer to push him off the some way. No, 2397 02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:36.279 it's not okay, okay, because the gag similar to the 2398 02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:38.760 gag in Austin Powers where the guy keeps getting closer 2399 02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:41.079 and closer, but then when they pull back you realize 2400 02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:44.920 he's really really far away them guys. It's basically that 2401 02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:48.399 he kind of cannibalized that scene for Austin Powers. He 2402 02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:50.359 later used that yeah, oh. 2403 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:51.960 Yeah, and Austin Powers is a whole thing about my 2404 02:02:52.000 --> 02:02:54.560 girlfriend is a femba who wants to kill me. He's 2405 02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:57.439 really got a complex. I mean, what do you think 2406 02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:00.800 is the most quotable line for you personally? Because I 2407 02:03:00.840 --> 02:03:03.479 know mine. Mine is just clearly a hard hearted, harbing 2408 02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:05.439 gerve hagas. I love that line. 2409 02:03:06.079 --> 02:03:07.720 I would probably say. 2410 02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:11.800 Hey, Isan, what you sprew up one more time? 2411 02:03:11.800 --> 02:03:14.159 I'm gonna kick your spaghetti bending buck back to Milan 2412 02:03:14.439 --> 02:03:15.039 not now? 2413 02:03:15.279 --> 02:03:15.880 Not now? 2414 02:03:16.199 --> 02:03:18.039 Was it too much with the ethnic slurs. 2415 02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:18.520 So it was fine. 2416 02:03:18.560 --> 02:03:20.319 It was not paisand pie zaw. 2417 02:03:22.319 --> 02:03:25.760 With the mispronunciation of Milan. I cut out the Paisan 2418 02:03:25.920 --> 02:03:29.039 part of it at least, But yeah, mine. 2419 02:03:28.720 --> 02:03:31.119 Is I'm gonna butcher as Charles Growen's line, he goes, No, 2420 02:03:31.199 --> 02:03:33.760 I really like you doing that. I'd say, I think 2421 02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:34.640 I'm saying that wrong. 2422 02:03:39.880 --> 02:03:41.600 Would you mind not doing that? 2423 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:46.880 I'm just bother you. No, it's one of my favorite things. 2424 02:03:48.079 --> 02:03:51.279 Oh it is so good. Oh my god, he's awesome. 2425 02:03:52.119 --> 02:03:53.800 And I think the one that probably just absorbed into 2426 02:03:53.880 --> 02:03:56.399 my life the most was the way he breaks things 2427 02:03:56.399 --> 02:04:01.359 into syllables, because I know I said so love ed forever, 2428 02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:04.680 and I think I still talk like that, So love Ed. 2429 02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:05.800 Yeah. 2430 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:08.279 There's even a part two where they stop for gas, 2431 02:04:08.720 --> 02:04:11.479 and it feels like it's going to play into something 2432 02:04:11.520 --> 02:04:14.399 bigger because he gets out and goes into the gas 2433 02:04:14.439 --> 02:04:17.199 station to pay for gas. You see her take the 2434 02:04:17.279 --> 02:04:20.520 keys out of the car, and then you see her 2435 02:04:20.640 --> 02:04:24.600 outside of the car and she's like, I'm going to 2436 02:04:24.640 --> 02:04:25.479 go in for a snack. 2437 02:04:25.640 --> 02:04:26.239 What do you want? 2438 02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:29.199 He asked for like beef Boleignier's or all this kind 2439 02:04:29.199 --> 02:04:30.800 of stuff, and he's like, oh, actually just a bag 2440 02:04:30.840 --> 02:04:33.800 of chips will do. So he goes, she goes in, 2441 02:04:34.359 --> 02:04:36.760 and then they cut too later, so the whole thing 2442 02:04:36.800 --> 02:04:39.479 of her taking the keys never pays off, And then 2443 02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:43.720 they cut to later her looking behind her while they're 2444 02:04:43.800 --> 02:04:46.399 driving away and he's like, what's going on. She's like, oh, 2445 02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:49.359 I was afraid maybe the gas station attendant was chasing 2446 02:04:49.439 --> 02:04:52.640 us since I didn't pay pay for the gas, And 2447 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:55.800 I was like, what the hell, Like, what is this 2448 02:04:55.840 --> 02:04:59.600 supposed to be showing, like how unpredictable she is. It's 2449 02:04:59.640 --> 02:05:02.760 so character that I'm like, that doesn't make any sense 2450 02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:06.479 at on. There is nothing in these deleted scenes where 2451 02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:08.279 I was like, oh, that should have been in there, 2452 02:05:08.399 --> 02:05:10.600 that really needed to be, because I mean, the whole 2453 02:05:10.600 --> 02:05:14.159 movie ends with a different ending where it's actually so 2454 02:05:14.239 --> 02:05:16.399 they have a kid at the end of the film, 2455 02:05:16.640 --> 02:05:19.079 and he is just a little kid, kind of looks 2456 02:05:19.119 --> 02:05:21.680 like the kid from Jerry Maguire a little bit, and 2457 02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:25.079 he's got thick glasses, and so I'm like, oh, so 2458 02:05:25.199 --> 02:05:30.119 he takes after the grandfather. He takes after Stuart, and 2459 02:05:30.199 --> 02:05:32.960 I guess he's Stuart Junior or Stuart the. 2460 02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:33.960 Second kind of thing. 2461 02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:37.079 But they never again in these deleted scenes, they never 2462 02:05:37.079 --> 02:05:38.800 say who this kid is. So I'm like, Okay, I 2463 02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:41.600 think he's supposed to be Harriet and Charlie's kid. And 2464 02:05:41.640 --> 02:05:46.319 then after Charlie does his poem at the coffee shop 2465 02:05:46.319 --> 02:05:49.439 at the end, his dad steps up and does a 2466 02:05:49.479 --> 02:05:52.800 whole poem all about Heat, and I'm like, okay, I'm 2467 02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:53.760 glad they cut that too. 2468 02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:56.600 Aw justice for Heed. 2469 02:05:57.720 --> 02:06:01.680 Yeah, and he like changes his hair so he's got dreadlocks. 2470 02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:04.159 What about that article? Like the article, may it seem 2471 02:06:04.239 --> 02:06:07.000 like Heath goes up and does like beat poetry. 2472 02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:09.880 No, it's a picture of Heed on the screen. You 2473 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:13.399 know how Charlie like will show those pictures of Harriet 2474 02:06:13.439 --> 02:06:16.079 or Sherry or anything. Yeah, it's a picture of Heed 2475 02:06:16.119 --> 02:06:19.720 because they show him coming in and like looking at 2476 02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:22.039 the camera and they stop it and then they use 2477 02:06:22.119 --> 02:06:26.079 that photo of him up there like he's recording something. 2478 02:06:26.199 --> 02:06:28.399 So I mean, if anybody in this movie is going 2479 02:06:28.439 --> 02:06:30.720 to be an AX murderer, it's Heed, right. 2480 02:06:31.439 --> 02:06:31.680 Yeah. 2481 02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:34.680 Heat is definitely the one with the who is justified 2482 02:06:34.760 --> 02:06:37.479 and growing up with rage issues of course. 2483 02:06:37.560 --> 02:06:40.039 Yeah, no, that would be awful to have Stewart as 2484 02:06:40.079 --> 02:06:43.159 a father and just constantly making size and fun of 2485 02:06:43.239 --> 02:06:43.960 the size of my head. 2486 02:06:44.119 --> 02:06:46.560 Yeah, you birth my fault. 2487 02:06:46.680 --> 02:06:48.279 I didn't pick it all. 2488 02:06:48.239 --> 02:06:50.000 Right, Let's go ahead and take another break and play 2489 02:06:50.079 --> 02:06:53.199 preview for next week's show right after these brief. 2490 02:06:52.920 --> 02:07:11.640 Messages, today's my birthday nice to be very. 2491 02:07:11.680 --> 02:07:13.279 Nice to see you all. Listen. 2492 02:07:13.479 --> 02:07:14.880 I got a very funny story. 2493 02:07:14.880 --> 02:07:15.479 I gotta tell it. 2494 02:07:16.119 --> 02:07:18.039 Have you ever been to an army hospital? 2495 02:07:18.720 --> 02:07:22.119 When you see it live, there's more effect than a protest. 2496 02:07:22.760 --> 02:07:26.239 Thirty I want at sixteen. 2497 02:07:26.680 --> 02:07:28.560 I'm a very frank person, George. 2498 02:07:29.159 --> 02:07:32.880 I'll lay it right on the line. Your script, although 2499 02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:35.239 it is an excellent one, does not have the ingredients 2500 02:07:35.239 --> 02:07:37.880 for a commercial success. You see, I must present the 2501 02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:41.640 project to my investors, and that project must reach certain requirements. 2502 02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:44.760 I mean like writhing love Garden. 2503 02:07:45.479 --> 02:07:45.840 That's it. 2504 02:07:46.640 --> 02:07:48.479 You've got to wait till she says something. 2505 02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:51.119 Can you just answer and you play it by year? 2506 02:07:51.159 --> 02:07:58.000 That's our Do you like it here? Please don't kill 2507 02:07:58.039 --> 02:07:58.359 this hair. 2508 02:07:59.119 --> 02:08:01.399 You know you're better than him. I need him for. 2509 02:08:01.359 --> 02:08:04.159 My bread and butter. If it wasn't for him, I'd 2510 02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:05.520 still be out on the streets. 2511 02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:07.880 Please please have mercy. 2512 02:08:07.560 --> 02:08:08.119 On his soul. 2513 02:08:12.279 --> 02:08:17.399 Right, you must be number thirteen Business thirteen. 2514 02:08:19.800 --> 02:08:21.560 Wore you O? 2515 02:08:21.720 --> 02:08:23.680 No one? I don't think exist. 2516 02:08:25.399 --> 02:08:26.239 I don't understand. 2517 02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:41.720 Could you try? 2518 02:08:43.239 --> 02:08:43.640 That's right? 2519 02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:45.800 We will be back next week with a look at 2520 02:08:45.880 --> 02:08:49.159 a bunch of rare, underseen or lost movies for May, 2521 02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:51.880 and we are starting off with one called there is 2522 02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:54.840 No thirteen. So until we go, I want to thank 2523 02:08:54.880 --> 02:08:56.840 my co host this week. So Amy, what are you 2524 02:08:56.920 --> 02:08:58.319 up to these days? 2525 02:08:58.560 --> 02:08:58.760 Oh? 2526 02:08:58.800 --> 02:09:02.000 Well, I'm the film coaduct the Los Angeles Times and 2527 02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:04.720 I co host the podcast Unspooled with Paul Shecher, who 2528 02:09:04.720 --> 02:09:06.520 I'm sure people out there know and love for How 2529 02:09:06.520 --> 02:09:08.680 did this get made? And unspool As our podcast, we 2530 02:09:08.680 --> 02:09:10.720 were going through the best movies of all time. We 2531 02:09:10.800 --> 02:09:13.560 did AFI Top one hundred was season one and now 2532 02:09:13.560 --> 02:09:16.520 Who We're doing a lot of our curiosity, but also 2533 02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:18.960 the Letterbox Top two hundred and fifty. So we just 2534 02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:21.640 did Train Spawning. I was just seventy four on the 2535 02:09:21.680 --> 02:09:23.720 Letterbox Top two hundred and fifty movies with the most 2536 02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:24.800 fans and. 2537 02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:27.079 Mike, how about yourself? I don't know if you guys 2538 02:09:27.079 --> 02:09:30.840 have ever heard this anecdote about an alpie spherus. Apparently 2539 02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:35.640 there was they butted heads on Wayne's World and they 2540 02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:39.760 he basically barred her from doing Wayne's World too, because 2541 02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:43.520 like apparently he wanted to take out the head banging 2542 02:09:43.600 --> 02:09:46.439 Saint Wayne's World and Penelopie Sphrus like went over his 2543 02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:49.000 head and kept it in And there was other things 2544 02:09:49.000 --> 02:09:52.760 she kept in and they had a very contentious relationship. 2545 02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:56.680 Now I heard the story, and I can't track down 2546 02:09:56.720 --> 02:10:01.600 the source, so this may be apocryp full. Apparently, she 2547 02:10:01.720 --> 02:10:06.159 was at a screening of Austin Powers, and I don't 2548 02:10:06.199 --> 02:10:08.279 know if she was at the screening alone. I don't 2549 02:10:08.319 --> 02:10:10.520 know if there was people with her when she saw 2550 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:16.199 the movie. But when the movie ended, during the closing credits, 2551 02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:20.560 she just screamed at the closing credits, all is forgiven, Mike, 2552 02:10:21.000 --> 02:10:24.760 all is forgiven. So I don't know if that's true 2553 02:10:24.840 --> 02:10:27.560 or not, but I just I always love that story 2554 02:10:27.560 --> 02:10:30.479 and I just wanted to tell that story on a podcast. 2555 02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:32.199 So thank you for indulging me. 2556 02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:35.880 Well, yeah, I probably should have said that when we 2557 02:10:35.880 --> 02:10:38.720 were looking for interviews for this show, so I reached 2558 02:10:38.760 --> 02:10:42.760 out to Tommy Shlami, who has publicly gone on the 2559 02:10:42.760 --> 02:10:46.239 record talking about how much he really disliked working. 2560 02:10:45.880 --> 02:10:46.640 On this movie. 2561 02:10:46.880 --> 02:10:49.640 I think it's at emmy Legends dot com. I'll also 2562 02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:52.640 link to a video in the show notes that he 2563 02:10:52.880 --> 02:10:54.359 is not shy about that. 2564 02:10:55.000 --> 02:10:57.680 I literally was going into this believing that this guy, 2565 02:10:57.720 --> 02:11:00.920 who I still think is an enormous talent and actually 2566 02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:04.199 a really gifted actor was going to branch out in 2567 02:11:04.279 --> 02:11:05.720 this movie. It was going to try you know, I 2568 02:11:05.720 --> 02:11:07.880 thought this movie was for thirty year old men or 2569 02:11:07.920 --> 02:11:10.920 older people about their phobia of commitment. This was not 2570 02:11:11.039 --> 02:11:14.600 about anybody who was necessarily was Wayne's world. It wasn't 2571 02:11:14.640 --> 02:11:16.920 for twelve year olds or thirteen years It was a 2572 02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:19.840 more adult but still staying in the vein of you 2573 02:11:19.880 --> 02:11:22.479 know that Peter Sellers could have played this role, that 2574 02:11:22.560 --> 02:11:23.920 could have you know that there would have been a 2575 02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:27.680 somewhat adult comedy. But still we blow the envelope up 2576 02:11:27.720 --> 02:11:31.920 and not. I think once he became the Scottish father, 2577 02:11:32.039 --> 02:11:35.319 and once that process started working, and once he became 2578 02:11:35.439 --> 02:11:39.000 much less secure about the film, I was trying to make. 2579 02:11:40.319 --> 02:11:42.439 The tendency to sort of want to go back to 2580 02:11:42.479 --> 02:11:45.119 his audience, and the tendency for me to push this 2581 02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:48.439 to be a more mature film just was in absolute 2582 02:11:48.479 --> 02:11:52.119 direct conflict with one another. So the perception therefore that 2583 02:11:52.239 --> 02:11:55.960 I would kill all of his comedic instincts. He wasn't 2584 02:11:55.960 --> 02:11:58.159 completely off base about that. You know, I might not 2585 02:11:58.199 --> 02:11:59.640 have been the best director at that moment. 2586 02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:00.880 Pulled that off. 2587 02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:05.720 And then talking with Robbie Fox, the screenwriter who kind 2588 02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:07.359 of gave me a no, I don't want to talk 2589 02:12:07.359 --> 02:12:10.520 about this, but then like reached out to me later 2590 02:12:10.560 --> 02:12:13.600 on like, well, maybe I do, And then he called 2591 02:12:13.600 --> 02:12:15.279 me and left a message no, I don't want to 2592 02:12:15.279 --> 02:12:17.479 talk about and then he called me again and we 2593 02:12:17.600 --> 02:12:19.520 talked for like an hour, and at the end I 2594 02:12:19.560 --> 02:12:21.159 was like, so, are you ready to go on record 2595 02:12:21.199 --> 02:12:22.920 and talk about this stuff? He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, 2596 02:12:22.960 --> 02:12:25.880 that sounds great, and then literally five minutes later texted 2597 02:12:25.880 --> 02:12:27.720 me and said, you know what, No, I don't want 2598 02:12:27.720 --> 02:12:29.760 to be that guy. I don't want to be I'm like, fuck, 2599 02:12:29.840 --> 02:12:31.000 would you make up your mind? 2600 02:12:31.800 --> 02:12:34.640 I love hearing Mike Meyer's stories and I love telling 2601 02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:38.479 Mike Meyers stories, but if I could make my small plugs. 2602 02:12:38.840 --> 02:12:41.520 I'm in Shock Cinema number sixty five. I will be 2603 02:12:41.560 --> 02:12:44.319 in Shock Cinema number sixty six. I'm hoping this time 2604 02:12:44.439 --> 02:12:46.560 I can someone will talk to me and tell me 2605 02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:51.039 about their acting careers. Also, I'm in Robin Bushy's a 2606 02:12:51.159 --> 02:12:54.039 Sonic Sewer. It's a music theme follow up to his 2607 02:12:54.720 --> 02:12:59.640 magazine Cinema Sewer. I'm writing about I'm defending basically the 2608 02:12:59.720 --> 02:13:04.279 career of Darryl Dragon, aka The Captain from Captain of Tanil. 2609 02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:08.560 So if you're into music and into the Captain Danil, 2610 02:13:08.640 --> 02:13:10.720 please check out Rob Bushy Sonic Sewer. 2611 02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:13.640 I'll tell you my first forty five I ever owned 2612 02:13:13.720 --> 02:13:14.840 was Level Keep Us Together. 2613 02:13:15.159 --> 02:13:17.560 I think it's a better song than people are ready 2614 02:13:17.560 --> 02:13:19.479 to admit. I enjoy that song. Yeah. 2615 02:13:19.520 --> 02:13:21.800 Well, thank you so much y'all for being on the show. 2616 02:13:21.840 --> 02:13:23.680 Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want to hear 2617 02:13:23.720 --> 02:13:25.319 more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some 2618 02:13:25.359 --> 02:13:26.800 of the other shows that I work on. They are 2619 02:13:26.840 --> 02:13:30.039 all available at Wirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our 2620 02:13:30.079 --> 02:13:32.680 Patreon community. If you want to join the community, visit 2621 02:13:32.760 --> 02:13:36.079 patreon dot com slash Projection Booth. Every donation we get 2622 02:13:36.119 --> 02:13:38.319 helps the projection Booth take over the world. 2623 02:14:12.479 --> 02:14:26.000 There's there's no raising the scanty. 2624 02:14:27.760 --> 02:14:30.119 Speed and that they. 2625 02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:49.760 There's guy thinking about the second scant say there's speed 2626 02:14:50.479 --> 02:15:32.560 like very there she called that doesn't else but a 2627 02:15:33.239 --> 02:15:49.079 scant to say, let's be that baby. There's gay said. 2628 02:15:48.880 --> 02:15:49.600 The dog. 2629 02:15:52.840 --> 02:15:54.119 Scan say. 2630 02:15:55.439 --> 02:15:58.000 Let's be that baby. 2631 02:16:36.879 --> 02:16:45.760 Harriet Harry It hard hearted, Harbinger of hagis beautiful, the 2632 02:16:45.959 --> 02:16:52.200 Muse bella Coast butcher untrusted in. 2633 02:16:54.559 --> 02:16:59.680 Un on love ed. 2634 02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:10.799 He wants you back, He screams into the night air, 2635 02:17:11.000 --> 02:17:13.399 like a fireman going to a window that has no 2636 02:17:13.680 --> 02:17:21.280 fire except the passion of his heart. 2637 02:17:23.520 --> 02:17:24.360 I am lonely. 2638 02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:27.719 It's really hard. 2639 02:17:30.360 --> 02:17:32.239 This poem sucks