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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. You know, I love

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<v Speaker 2>my phone and I love the Internet. I can't get

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<v Speaker 2>enough of TikTok and these other streaming formats. And they're

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<v Speaker 2>time They're very time consuming. You can watch the YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>or TikTok for hours. I'll sit in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>my phone for hours just watching the latest postings. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, I have my own postings for

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<v Speaker 2>Earth ancients, but what is going on with that? It's very,

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<v Speaker 2>very time consuming. And I got to tell you, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's beginning to affect people because people.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't dream anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is really critical factor mental health. If you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have good dreaming consciousness, if you're not able to

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<v Speaker 2>sleep long enough and get deep sleep rem sleep rapidi

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<v Speaker 2>move is sleep, then your ability to go deep into

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<v Speaker 2>your dreams is really compromise. Hey, this is Cliff, your

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<v Speaker 2>host of Destiny, and this week we're talking about lucid

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<v Speaker 2>dreams and the ability to dream in a level where

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<v Speaker 2>you are processing your day, you are looking to the past,

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking to the future, and you are coming up

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<v Speaker 2>with problem solving dreams that you can use in your

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<v Speaker 2>current reality and for a number of years I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a dream journal where I am able to write down

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<v Speaker 2>dreams that I had and shift into deeper dreams. But

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<v Speaker 2>I am not one to do lucid dreaming. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is something that's very critically important. And lucid dreams require

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<v Speaker 2>a deeper level of rest, and I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>am quite ready for for lucid dreams yet. But I

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<v Speaker 2>will say this in our guest program, who is a

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<v Speaker 2>new book, will talk about techniques where you can actually

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<v Speaker 2>rest during the day and as you're resting, you're shifting

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<v Speaker 2>into that deeper level that where the lucid dreams actually

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<v Speaker 2>began to unfold. The other thing that is of great

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<v Speaker 2>interest to me is that today we talk about our

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors dreams and ancient people two thousand plus years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>the Babylonians and the Egyptians were able to dream and

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<v Speaker 2>actually chronicle their dreams. In fact, in some cases the

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<v Speaker 2>dreams were used as prophecy for events that were coming,

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<v Speaker 2>for personal events and so on. It also crosses over

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<v Speaker 2>into the indigenous side of things. Dream dreams were used

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<v Speaker 2>as forms of vision quests. You want to to a dream,

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<v Speaker 2>and because they didn't have the interference of all this WiFi.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people in past generations were able to sell

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<v Speaker 2>into the possibilities of having dreams and actually dreams that

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<v Speaker 2>were lucid dreams. And this is what we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about today, is getting into the state where you're

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<v Speaker 2>having hyper hyper consciousness dreams, where they're so real it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you're actually living in a reality. And some people

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<v Speaker 2>think that lucid dreaming actually is a shifting into a

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<v Speaker 2>higher reality, not necessarily a higher reality, but a higher

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<v Speaker 2>level of consciousness that you can actually unfold. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna look at a number of aspects of dreaming today

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<v Speaker 2>and give you step by step guidance of walking into

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<v Speaker 2>and shifting into higher levels of dreams. So today we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about dreams and the program is programming your lucid dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>And my guest is von Breshner. The Earth Ancients Guatemala

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<v Speaker 2>Temple Tour December first through the twelfth.

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<v Speaker 3>As you know from my work, one of the main

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<v Speaker 3>functions of the tembuls is out of state, so we

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<v Speaker 3>can really reprogram morself, We can manifest different things in

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<v Speaker 3>our lives. There is also an opportunity for healing, so

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<v Speaker 3>there is so much that we can do when.

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<v Speaker 4>We have access see combining, you know, the left and

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<v Speaker 4>right brain hemisphere approaches, or the more masculine semine.

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<v Speaker 3>If you like.

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<v Speaker 4>Knowing the science, doing measurements, understanding the electromagnetism and the

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<v Speaker 4>spiritual technology of these temples, and then having the experiential side.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing all the spiritual work offside.

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<v Speaker 3>Is just like a very holistic, complete way to interact

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<v Speaker 3>with the temples.

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<v Speaker 2>That's doctor Lydia de Leong, our host for the upcoming

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<v Speaker 2>Sacred Pyramid Tour in Guatemala December first of the twelfth.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a rare opportunity to work with harmonics and

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<v Speaker 2>the energy behind these pyramids. We only have a few

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<v Speaker 2>places left. This is going to be a very rare

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to engage with the local shaman archaeologists who have

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<v Speaker 2>been studying pyramids for decades, and opportunities not only to

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<v Speaker 2>interact with the pyramid to lyrics that are available, but

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<v Speaker 2>also sit, stand, walk and climb a variety of pyramids

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<v Speaker 2>throughout Guatemala. For more information on this wonderful tour, go

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<v Speaker 2>to earthacients dot com forward slash Tours looking for the

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<v Speaker 2>Send me an email. Send it to Earth Ancients the

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<v Speaker 2>number fourth LETTERU at gmail dot com, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I will get right back to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Join me on the special tour December first through the

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<v Speaker 2>twelfth again. For more information, Earthancients dot com Forward slash tours. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>That's Chatnoogle Whiskey dot com. I have said I made

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<v Speaker 2>lucid dreaming now for over twenty years and have found

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<v Speaker 2>it fascinating. I can't say I'm an expert at lucid dreaming,

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<v Speaker 2>but today we have an expert. And the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>we're having the return of our guest is that he's

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<v Speaker 2>written a very very not only a very very good book,

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<v Speaker 2>but he actually touches some of the ancient versions of

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<v Speaker 2>lucid dreaming and we're going to hear all about it today.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess, my returning guest, is von Braschmeller, and he

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<v Speaker 2>is a I mean not only he's an author, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's written in a couple of very good books. The

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<v Speaker 2>book we're talking about today is called Programming your Lucid Dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>how to self direct dreams to achieve your goals and

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<v Speaker 2>access hidden knowledge and lucid dreaming, and we'll learn more about.

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<v Speaker 2>To say, lucid dreaming is a bit more challenging than

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<v Speaker 2>simple dreaming, because when you're lucid dreaming, it's almost like

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a form with reality. And like I mentioned before,

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<v Speaker 2>I've done regular dreams and done dream journaling, but lucid

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<v Speaker 2>dreams are a different animal. And this is why we

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<v Speaker 2>have vn On so hey, welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing good?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Cliff, It's good to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Vin, let's talk real quickly. What is lucid

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<v Speaker 2>dreaming over simple basic dreaming? Why is it lucid dreaming

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<v Speaker 2>so unique?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, there's a long history of what we call dream work,

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<v Speaker 5>and this is serious streaming. This is dreaming in reality

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<v Speaker 5>and not simply playing back memories that you filed away

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<v Speaker 5>in your mind and you keep sifting through them. The

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<v Speaker 5>simple definition is that you're consciously aware of being in

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<v Speaker 5>the dream. Furthermore, you're consciously aware in the dream so

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<v Speaker 5>that you can react an act in the dream, as

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<v Speaker 5>an act of participant. In short, it's a learning experience.

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<v Speaker 5>And my approach to lucid dreaming, since I first had

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<v Speaker 5>one in nineteen eighty and long to have more, was

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<v Speaker 5>to what was to set up dreams as vehicles for

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<v Speaker 5>learning and exploring and reaching new levels of conscious awareness.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think the fact that you're consciously aware in

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<v Speaker 5>your dream and that you're empowered in your dream, that's

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<v Speaker 5>an important aspect because along with consciousness goes empowerment and awareness.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you tell us or do you remember that

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<v Speaker 2>first lucid dream that you had, because you know, something

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<v Speaker 2>must have happened, either you were doing a practice, or

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<v Speaker 2>you had a trauma, or you were taking some psychedelics.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never done that, and I never encouraged anybody to

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<v Speaker 5>take that short approach to what we'll call.

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<v Speaker 1>Your vision questing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it is just a very short road, and it

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<v Speaker 5>can be a misleading road, as.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean psychedelics taking yes, yes, as any of the great.

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<v Speaker 5>Masters in the East would tell you, Yeah, you could

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<v Speaker 5>do that, but it's like better to throw them in

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<v Speaker 5>the river, you know, because they're not trustworthy. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>my first experience that I remember it like it was

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<v Speaker 5>yesterday in a sense. It was was in the winter

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<v Speaker 5>of nineteen eighty and I was snowed in on Mount Hood.

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<v Speaker 5>I might have said this on your show before, but

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<v Speaker 5>I'll get to the point. I was snowed in and

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<v Speaker 5>I had no power, I had no heat, I had

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<v Speaker 5>no plumbing. It was all frozen. I had no food.

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<v Speaker 5>My car was lost. I couldn't find it. I was

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<v Speaker 5>poking around with a long broom handle. I was totally

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<v Speaker 5>snowed in, and I said, you know what, that's okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll just start reading and meditating. And after a long

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<v Speaker 5>day of meditating and reading, and most of my books

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<v Speaker 5>were Eastern spiritual science, but not entirely, A lot of

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<v Speaker 5>were shamanic, I flopped back on my bed and I

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<v Speaker 5>hit a vertebrae, a high vertebrae. I won't say which one,

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<v Speaker 5>or everybody will try to do this because this does

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<v Speaker 5>actually trip you out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was off in a lucid dream.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I know it was a lucid dream and not

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<v Speaker 5>just an unconscious mind floating, because it was I was

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<v Speaker 5>consciously aware.

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<v Speaker 1>In the dream.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw myself lying on the bed. I could accurately

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<v Speaker 5>see in detail everything below me that was physical. I, however,

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<v Speaker 5>was not physical. I was in a non physical energy

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<v Speaker 5>body floating above the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Higher and higher.

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<v Speaker 5>And I said, how can I go? And I said,

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<v Speaker 5>this is great. I've heard of this, I said, I've

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<v Speaker 5>read about this. So I start floating and I said,

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<v Speaker 5>can I go through the roof?

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed? I could?

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<v Speaker 5>Could I go above the tree line? Indeed I could?

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<v Speaker 5>Could I go higher than the hundred foot fir trees

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<v Speaker 5>in front? Because I lived on mountain in Oregon?

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<v Speaker 1>And I could?

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<v Speaker 5>And I looked down and everything got dark and small,

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<v Speaker 5>and I thought, this is great, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>where I'm going. I don't know how to get there,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't know how to react when I get there,

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<v Speaker 5>so I'd better go back. I hope I can go back.

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<v Speaker 5>And I said, how do I go back? And I

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<v Speaker 5>swear to God, Cliff, I thought of Dorothy and the

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<v Speaker 5>Wizard of Oz. I didn't click my ruby red slippers,

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<v Speaker 5>but I said, I thought, there's no place like home.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was instantly back in my body, which has

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<v Speaker 5>always told me you can always go back to your

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<v Speaker 5>physical body because you're karmically, energetically magnetically connected to your body,

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<v Speaker 5>and so yeah, you just think back to your body,

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<v Speaker 5>in your back, there's no worry. So after that I

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<v Speaker 5>started to read really in great detail all of my

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<v Speaker 5>books on yoga, and I thought, how do the great

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<v Speaker 5>masters leave their body? How do they have these profound dreams?

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<v Speaker 1>And I found out it.

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<v Speaker 5>Wasn't just them, It went back thousands of years. I

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<v Speaker 5>King James Bible, Old Testament and New Testament where people

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<v Speaker 5>would have profound dreams. These were vivid dreams, colorful dreams,

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<v Speaker 5>detailed dreams, impactful, meaningful, powerful dreams of significance, and they

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<v Speaker 5>So you look at the my favorite book, the Yoga

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<v Speaker 5>Sutras of Patanjuli. It is clearly outlined in three steps body, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>and spirits last. And in short, it trained you how

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<v Speaker 5>to achieve postures and which we know is hatha yoga,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's more than that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's preparing yourself. And then you're preparing yourself. Cousinata said

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<v Speaker 5>the same thing, prepare the physical for the outward journey.

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<v Speaker 5>So the thing is then you then you go into

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<v Speaker 5>yoga training to the point where and this is kind

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<v Speaker 5>of the area of the school of Raja Yoga where the

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<v Speaker 5>Samadi mystics begin to train their young ones how to

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<v Speaker 1>My time here? And now you know?

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<v Speaker 5>So they the first thing they will teach the Samadi

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<v Speaker 5>students is how to do lucid dreaming. And when they

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<v Speaker 5>get really good at lucid dreaming, then they'll they'll take

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<v Speaker 5>can have great what what in some in and and

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<v Speaker 5>Shamanism will here described as the outer journey or the

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<v Speaker 5>vision quest. It involves getting into an altered state of consciousness. Uh,

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<v Speaker 5>that's why meditation works it very well. But I found

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<v Speaker 5>that for many people it's hard to meditate deep enough

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<v Speaker 5>to get into this what we call lucid dream state.

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<v Speaker 5>And for them, I I I suggest self hypnosis frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>because you know it's very similar. You know, you can

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<v Speaker 5>train the body to go to sleep, bring the mind

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<v Speaker 5>to go to sleep, and bring forward to your inner consciousness.

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<v Speaker 5>So when I started studying about the Samadi experience and

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<v Speaker 5>the students in the East, I was fascinated because there

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<v Speaker 5>was a huge tsunami that hit southern India and northern

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<v Speaker 1>Few years back. You might remember it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think it's called the Boxing Day storm, and

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<v Speaker 5>they worried the Samadi masters. They worried about their young

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<v Speaker 5>novices that they had put into lucid dreams. Now they

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<v Speaker 5>would they would set them off on their dreams in

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<v Speaker 5>the in the advanced students, while novices would go so

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<v Speaker 5>deep into a lucid dream that they would stay there

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<v Speaker 5>a long time and it was hard to bring them out.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, they wouldn't try to bring them out, They

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk a little bit about the early

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<v Speaker 2>part of your book where you describe how the Babylonians

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<v Speaker 2>and the Egyptians actually recorded their dreams. How do we

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<v Speaker 2>know that those dreams are lucid dreams? Was the description

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<v Speaker 2>just incredibly detailed?

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<v Speaker 1>This is?

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<v Speaker 5>Is this how you incredibly yeah, incredibly detailed. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>these people, the Babylonians and Assyrians, they were extremely good

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<v Speaker 5>at keeping tablet records of what they did. Furthermore, a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of the dreams were have been trans transferred to

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<v Speaker 5>the Christian Bible. We know that there were Babylonian kings

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<v Speaker 5>that would would have dreams and they would be interpreted

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<v Speaker 5>at the time. I think I have an example here

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<v Speaker 5>of Joseph who Joseph actually interpreted a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, uh. Pharaohs in Egypt would would have dreams. The

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<v Speaker 5>Babylonians would have dreams and and and and these are

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<v Speaker 5>often reported in it's far back in the bibleist genesis

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<v Speaker 5>that the idea that the god or or or a messenger,

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<v Speaker 5>perhaps an angel would come and speak to them. So

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<v Speaker 5>our earliest records, in fact, do come from ancient Babylonia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mentioned Giglamesh. One give us an example if

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<v Speaker 2>you can, of one of his lucid dreams that perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>turned into a prophecy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So the adventures of Gilgamesh, who had more fun, well,

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<v Speaker 5>what a daring life.

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<v Speaker 1>So so the.

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<v Speaker 5>Story of Gilgamesh is is is like a dream diary.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>He he recorded his dreams and they're told like, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>you know the Arabian nights. Uh he he there were

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<v Speaker 5>dreams of of building things and adventures and things that

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<v Speaker 5>he would see, the temples that would be built.

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<v Speaker 1>Directions.

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<v Speaker 5>It's almost like in in in in in in our

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<v Speaker 5>corner of the world. Uh, a Native American Shamans who

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<v Speaker 5>would have visions and would report this to the people.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it was like it was yes, it was

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<v Speaker 5>his personal dream, but they were like dreams of importance

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<v Speaker 5>to the community, like building a temple is a good example.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that Giggle Mesh and these other examples

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<v Speaker 2>were actually able to see in the future. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they were tracking events and activities that were far

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think we see this today

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<v Speaker 5>we go in for some reason, after you know, more

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<v Speaker 5>than five thousand years of dream work with lucid dreaming,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't have a lot of respect in our culture

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<v Speaker 5>for lucid dreaming. And people will have prophetic dreams and

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<v Speaker 5>they'll say I had a dream of the future. I

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<v Speaker 5>dream what was going to happen in the future, and

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<v Speaker 5>they will laugh and it would be like amusing, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>But then when they come true, you know, we see

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<v Speaker 5>that this is happening. Yet today that people are going

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<v Speaker 5>apparently into the future and seeing what is going to

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<v Speaker 5>take place, coming back and reporting on it. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>this is one interesting thing about lucid dreaming. There is

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<v Speaker 5>no there is no fixed time. You can go back

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to talk a little bit about Native

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<v Speaker 2>Indigenous people because it's almost like they are raised to

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<v Speaker 2>induce lucid dreaming rather than just dreaming. It's like you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have it's like part of a lifestyle. They

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<v Speaker 2>are trained to move into that lucid state, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they can begin having their own visions, their own as

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<v Speaker 2>you call it, ahead of time, Yequesse.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, these people are really chosen. They're special people. It

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<v Speaker 5>just between you and me, Cliff. It kind of bothers

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<v Speaker 5>me today that people are getting certified to be urban shamans.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's it's interesting that a person could study this.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think it's fascinating and I've certainly tried

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<v Speaker 5>to study it, but I don't claim to be a shaman.

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<v Speaker 5>I would never do that because these people were were

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<v Speaker 5>often selected not just who they were, their their their birth,

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<v Speaker 5>in their in their in their bloodline, but they often

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<v Speaker 5>were people who were lame. The idea of the wounded

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<v Speaker 5>healer makes a good representative for the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>The wounded healer is ideal to go out there and

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<v Speaker 5>fight the journeys uh into the land of the unknown,

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<v Speaker 5>because this really is a journey into the unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>We're leaving the known world.

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<v Speaker 5>To go into the unknown, like the hero's journey and

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<v Speaker 5>and and the The shaman then would be a person

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<v Speaker 5>who would be selected, not necessarily born and into the

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<v Speaker 5>the previous shaman to do this work and then trained

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<v Speaker 5>to do what to do to enter into great uh

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<v Speaker 5>trance like states which we might call like meditative states

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<v Speaker 5>or self hypnosis, whatever you want to think of it

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<v Speaker 5>a bit, but this would I had I had a

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<v Speaker 5>teacher who did this, and he would go into a

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<v Speaker 5>deep trance very much like a shaman. And and then

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<v Speaker 5>then uh this this this shaman would would go and

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<v Speaker 5>would would would go forward into the future or back

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<v Speaker 5>into the past to speak to as they would say,

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<v Speaker 5>talk to the ancestors. They would go into the future

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<v Speaker 5>to see what the future holds for my people, and

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<v Speaker 5>then they would come back and report, you know. But

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<v Speaker 5>but moreover they would teach this. They were teachers as well,

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<v Speaker 5>and they would teach others in the community and the

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<v Speaker 5>tribe how to do this vision questing on a personal level.

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<v Speaker 5>Your own personal vision quest might not hold great meaning

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<v Speaker 5>for the community, but it holds great importance to your

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that. It's the earlier civilizations really cultivated

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<v Speaker 2>dreaming much more than we do today. How do we

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<v Speaker 2>know when we're because I dream, I dream fairly fair amount,

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<v Speaker 2>and I try to keep a dream journal, How do

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<v Speaker 2>we move into the lucid dream? How do we induce

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<v Speaker 2>the lucid dream?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I found that there were certain things that people

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to go into lucid dreaming were just not conscious

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<v Speaker 5>of or are doing. And one was they were not

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<v Speaker 5>preparing the physical body and mind to go into a

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<v Speaker 5>deep state of rest. And I call it a state

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<v Speaker 5>of surrender. And this requires a lot of internal harmony.

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<v Speaker 5>the wholeness of you, which is body, mind, and spirit. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>when you go into a state of rest and prepare

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<v Speaker 5>yourself for a dream, it's not enough just to lie

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<v Speaker 5>down in your bed, close your eyes and drift off

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<v Speaker 5>because you're not because you're because you're still kind of

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<v Speaker 5>back floating next to the dock. See, you're not really

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<v Speaker 5>out there, you know. So so you need to actually

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<v Speaker 5>get deeper into sleep. You actually need to physically put

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<v Speaker 5>your will your body to sleep. So sometimes when I

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<v Speaker 5>find it hard to get there, and this was particularly

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<v Speaker 5>true for me in the beginning, I started cribbing off

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<v Speaker 5>of some of these wonderful books. And there are many

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<v Speaker 5>books that you can get on self hypnosis that you

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<v Speaker 5>you would actually physically focus on your attention on putting

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<v Speaker 5>The final stage, which is very difficult, is to reach

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<v Speaker 5>a state of inner accord. Now in yoga training you

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<v Speaker 5>talk about the mind is the slayer of the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>That is to say, your inner consciousness must slay your

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<v Speaker 5>physical mind for you to have a greater conscious experience.

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<v Speaker 5>But this is this is I'm not faulting the translation

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<v Speaker 5>of the sandscript. I'm just saying that words can get

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<v Speaker 5>in the way of truth. You're not slaying anything. You're

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<v Speaker 5>reaching an inner chord harmony, a body minded spirit level

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<v Speaker 5>of of of attunement.

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<v Speaker 4>And you.

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<v Speaker 5>Need to assure the physical brain, your mind, that it's

433
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<v Speaker 5>going to be completely at rest, completely safe, and completely

434
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<v Speaker 5>rested while it surrenders control for a brief time for

435
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:13.599
<v Speaker 5>a specific purpose, which is the dream, to your inner mind,

436
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 5>your inner consciousness. And then at that point then your

437
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 5>consciousness can come forward and take you on a journey.

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<v Speaker 5>Until that happens, you have a backseat driver, and that's

439
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<v Speaker 5>known as the little brain. Rending the whole big body.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

441
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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

442
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<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, Von Brosler, discussing his newest book,

443
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<v Speaker 2>Programming Your Lucid Dreams. Will be right back. We're talking

444
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<v Speaker 2>lucid dreams today and how to program them effortlessly with

445
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<v Speaker 2>my guest today, Von Bristler. And this is a new book,

446
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 2>a step by step guide to opening to more lucid dreams.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Is the samadi's training from the yoga sutras that you're Uh,

448
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<v Speaker 2>it's the foundation of this work that you're presenting in

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<v Speaker 2>this book. But is that a course of meditation, because

450
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm meditating for thirty years. Do meditators have

451
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<v Speaker 2>an easy time to get into lucid dreaming.

452
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Or nobody does?

453
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's the whole thing is that we're going

454
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<v Speaker 2>to talk about some of the exercises in a minute. Yeah,

455
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<v Speaker 2>that you suggest, But lucid dreaming is like a whole

456
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<v Speaker 2>different animal.

457
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and yeah, you have to be dedicated to it

458
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 5>and you have to actually work at it. Hence, traditionally

459
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.279
<v Speaker 5>this was called dream work. It wasn't dream play.

460
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Or idle moments.

461
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 5>It was dream work and you you The ancient Egyptians,

462
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<v Speaker 5>for example, learning from the Babylonian experience, they quickly developed

463
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<v Speaker 5>dream temples, which was continued into the Greek, the classical

464
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 5>Greek Greek era, and into the Roman. Even that there

465
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<v Speaker 5>would be dream temples, there would be a dream attendant,

466
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 5>there would be be a dream assistant that you would

467
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<v Speaker 5>you would have somebody who would kind of coach you

468
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 5>and set up the experience. Now, setting up the experience

469
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<v Speaker 5>then means that you have a place that's completely safe,

470
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<v Speaker 5>quiet and secluded. It is a place of peacefulness. And

471
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<v Speaker 5>why this is to assure your physical self and your

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<v Speaker 5>and your physical mind, which is always concerned with your

473
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 5>safety and well being, that it's going to be okay

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<v Speaker 5>during this brief period, that in fact, it's going to

475
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<v Speaker 5>in in in exchange for surrendering a few moments of

476
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 5>somewhat control, that it's going to be it's going to

477
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 5>be rewarded by the greatest moments of restfulness and peace

478
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.160
<v Speaker 5>that it's it's had in a long time. It's it's

479
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 5>holding a grip on you so tightly that we're all

480
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<v Speaker 5>kind of high strung.

481
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<v Speaker 2>So if somebody has trouble sleeping, that's not going to

482
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<v Speaker 2>be a great candidate for a lucid dreaming because you're

483
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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about being thoroughly rested. Uh, and so any

484
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 2>fatigue is going to impede the whole processes in it.

485
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you want to become really good. It's slipping off,

487
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Speaker 5>it's slipping away, you know, and to where it becomes

488
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<v Speaker 5>very easy to where you could actually do this in

489
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 5>a daydreaming. In daydreaming, where you can do this in

490
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 5>an awaking dream. You could do it in a chair,

491
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 5>you could, you could. You know, my power naps are

492
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<v Speaker 5>off and now like lucid dreams, you know they could

493
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<v Speaker 5>be very brief.

494
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't have to It doesn't have to happen at

496
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<v Speaker 5>night during your sleep mode, when you're reclining in you

497
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<v Speaker 5>in your bed. You could you could set it up

498
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 5>to happen anytime, but you must be willing to surrender

499
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 5>and open yourself up to the greater adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we get into some practical app implications, what

501
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.079
<v Speaker 2>can we accomplish in a lucid dream? What are some

502
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<v Speaker 2>of the benefits of I mean, you talked about going

503
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<v Speaker 2>forward and in your book. You describe going back into

504
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 2>the past, which I find fascinating. But what are some

505
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<v Speaker 2>of the things that an active dreamscape lucid dreamer can accomplish.

506
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I find it fascinating. I must confess. I use

507
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 5>it for a lot of little practical personal things. But

508
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<v Speaker 5>I know that there are great questions to be resolved.

509
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<v Speaker 5>And this is the journey of the soul. This is

510
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<v Speaker 5>where your soul, your inner consciousness, wants to take you.

511
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.360
<v Speaker 5>It needs to go out there and discover. It needs

512
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 5>to be Odysseus on the raft. It needs to find

513
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 5>the golden fleece it needs, it needs the vision quest.

514
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.920
<v Speaker 5>It needs to find answers for you. It needs to

515
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 5>take you out there to confront and open new doors

516
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<v Speaker 5>and reach new horizons. And this is what life is.

517
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean, is life for you simply waking up and

518
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<v Speaker 5>drinking coffee?

519
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean this is my day. But there's more.

520
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.599
<v Speaker 5>There's more to it, you know, And I think all

521
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 5>of us know this, that this life well spent is

522
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:32.639
<v Speaker 5>a life of growth and stretching. And so it is

523
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 5>with our dreams. I'm so big on getting people to

524
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 5>actually learn to do lucid dreaming because it is our

525
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:48.559
<v Speaker 5>great opportunity for personal discovery and insight.

526
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<v Speaker 1>You can't get.

527
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 5>This anywhere else, anywhere else, and it's available to every

528
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 5>one of us if we're willing to set up a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give us a couple of examples of either

530
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<v Speaker 2>students or noted dreamers who have chronicled and journaled what

531
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 2>they have achieved in their lucid dreams. Perhaps somebody had

532
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 2>an intention for some activity or bits of knowledge, or

533
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.519
<v Speaker 2>meeting somebody or and they had their lucid dream.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, there certainly are in the East a lot of

535
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<v Speaker 5>a lot of visionaries that have reported their their journeys

536
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 5>into the other worlds, other levels of reality that you

537
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 5>know can be read about in Eastern spiritual science records. Uh,

538
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 5>the virginneys of Swami sacha Ananda have been very inspirational

539
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 5>to me. I think, I don't know if I should

540
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 5>bring this up, but but you can. You can also

541
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 5>look to in Ick and car you can find uh

542
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 5>that the original founder of that, Paul Twitchell writes about,

543
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 5>if not his own experience, that of his teachers were

544
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 5>likely maybe controversially, there are various people that have described

545
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.800
<v Speaker 5>where they've gone and what they've seen. Some of them

546
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:32.000
<v Speaker 5>are Native Americans like Sunbar very inspirational. I would I

547
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 5>would say that the writings of Costinata are largely based

548
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 5>on LCID dreams. If you if you had mentioned Carlos, Yeah, yes,

549
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<v Speaker 5>I'll never I'll never stop defending him because because his

550
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.119
<v Speaker 5>first book he submitted to us at Llewellen. Uh and

551
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<v Speaker 5>I worked originally at Llewella in My first publisher was

552
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 5>jewellan And and it was submitted to us in our publisher,

553
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 5>Bless his soul, fine man. He said, not going to

554
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<v Speaker 5>publish a grad student's field research.

555
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>That was his first book. Oh my god.

556
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<v Speaker 5>And I said, are you sure I have a feeling

557
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 5>about this guy? He said, no, No, we start doing that,

558
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 5>we'll get all these these dissertations, and I don't want

559
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 5>to go that way. Well, okay, so now the rap

560
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 5>on Cosinata is that all of his subsequent I think

561
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 5>there were seven or eight books after the first, and

562
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 5>they were all massive mega sellers, right, yeah, okay, they

563
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 5>they all sounded a lot like the first one. And

564
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 5>in the controversy was that he couldn't substantiate that he'd

565
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 5>gone to Mexico except as a grad student to study

566
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 5>the effects of piote on on on natives in northern Mexico,

567
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 5>as he did for the first book book, which starts

568
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 5>the whole story right and then and then, but but

569
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 5>then the story continues as though he's continuing his teaching

570
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<v Speaker 5>with these with these, with these masters in Mexico. So

571
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<v Speaker 5>I would suggest to you that that Carlos began to

572
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 5>just have uh uh lucid dreams of going to Mexico.

573
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.000
<v Speaker 5>You know, either that he was or he was just

574
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 5>inferring what what would happen next in the training. And

575
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<v Speaker 5>I think that would make him like one of the

576
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 5>greatest metaphysical writers of all time if you just had

577
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 5>this in his head and he could actually manufacture it.

578
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 5>It came from somewhere, you know. So I think that

579
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.360
<v Speaker 5>at some point we have to stop thinking about who

580
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 5>is the messenger versus what is the message? The message

581
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 5>is quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any students that have been using your techniques, uh,

583
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<v Speaker 2>and have reported back on their experience? Uh?

584
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

585
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.679
<v Speaker 5>Various people have done this and they find it helpful

586
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 5>U two to to actually follow. It's a step by

587
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.840
<v Speaker 5>step thing. Now, I don't I don't advocate that you

588
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 5>sit there and read to yourself when you're trying to

589
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 5>go into alusid dream. But you study the steps and

590
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 5>then you just do it, you know, And don't don't

591
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.519
<v Speaker 5>worry if you're getting the steps on a sequence. I

592
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 5>do it all the time, you know. Just just know

593
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<v Speaker 5>that you know that there are various steps that would

594
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<v Speaker 5>be helpful and and and put them into the equation.

595
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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, I know a number of people now. When

596
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<v Speaker 5>uh I was out at the Omazing Institute in New York,

597
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<v Speaker 5>I I tried the technique as best I could, like

598
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<v Speaker 5>this somebodie students, UH did. And I wondered how long

599
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<v Speaker 5>I could take a group of people that had been

600
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<v Speaker 5>introduced to this over a period of just a week,

601
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 5>and then after the end of the week, put them

602
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<v Speaker 5>into individual dreams of their own choice, of their own direction.

603
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 5>In other words, I set them all up to have

604
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:27.039
<v Speaker 5>their own individual dreams, and I left them all at

605
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.920
<v Speaker 5>a room, and I wondered how many would like come

606
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 5>out of the dream and you know, ten minutes or

607
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, thirty seconds or an hour, well, the whole day,

608
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.119
<v Speaker 5>the whole day, you know, and it's like at the

609
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 5>end of the day, you know, I just said, like

610
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 5>these people have to like leave the building and we

611
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:53.199
<v Speaker 5>have to lock it up, and somebody's been recording the session.

612
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 5>There's nothing said, you know, I said, God is and

613
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.800
<v Speaker 5>we have to go to dinner. And so I said,

614
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<v Speaker 5>oh my gosh, what did I say to them when

615
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 5>I set them up? How do I bring them out

616
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<v Speaker 5>of it?

617
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<v Speaker 2>So you able, you're saying, you're you're teaching a course

618
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<v Speaker 2>with the Omega Institute in New York. Yeah, and you

619
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:18.159
<v Speaker 2>did a lucid dream. Yeah, of course all day, of course,

620
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and people were systematically going into the lucid dreams. They

621
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 2>all went off in a dream of their own direction.

622
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 2>And they were gone there for several several hours.

623
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow, and what?

624
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<v Speaker 5>And I sat there and I studied them, you know,

625
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean far across the room, mind you. But it's

626
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 5>like I noticed their eyes did in twitch, their toes

627
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 5>in twitch. Nobody coughed, you know, It's like they were

628
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 5>just gone. And finally I remember, and I went, I said,

629
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.960
<v Speaker 5>returning to your bodies, now, returning to your bodies now,

630
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 5>because it was the last thing and I should have

631
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<v Speaker 5>remembered this that I said to them when I set

632
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<v Speaker 5>them off, and I said, you're going to stay in

633
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<v Speaker 5>your lucid dream until I call you back. I'll go

634
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<v Speaker 5>and I'll bring you back. And I said, oh my gosh,

635
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.280
<v Speaker 5>I should have written it down right. So but then

636
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<v Speaker 5>then the funny thing is they all quickly, you know,

637
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 5>without standing up. They all you know, bent forward and

638
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 5>they're reclining positions because they were all on their back

639
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 5>on the floor and they were all alert. They're all

640
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 5>like wide awake. They weren't drowsy from having been sleeping

641
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 5>for hours. That was a strange thing. And they all

642
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.360
<v Speaker 5>wanted to talk about what they've seen and what they've done,

643
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:38.280
<v Speaker 5>because they all went different directions.

644
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, let me just stop you for a second. Von,

645
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you were the catalyst to to help the

646
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.840
<v Speaker 2>help these people drop into a lucid state. I mean

647
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 2>that's you're talking. We're not talking about any psychedelics. You're

648
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.159
<v Speaker 2>talking talking about your inducement. It was amazing. I mean,

649
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 2>what was it about that day that got you just,

650
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 2>uh as such a talented lucid dream facilitator.

651
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 5>Oh, I don't think of talented at all. I mean

652
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 5>I simply spent the first few days telling them about

653
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 5>how to set up a lucid dream. And then and

654
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 5>I talked about how you can go back into the

655
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 5>past into the future. You could find the lost keys,

656
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.440
<v Speaker 5>you could you could you could view your past life

657
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.079
<v Speaker 5>or lives. You could look for lost people. Uh, you

658
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 5>could many things. You could look for answers. If you

659
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 5>had questions, you could you could search out answers.

660
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 1>You know.

661
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.639
<v Speaker 5>I said, it's infinite what you do. So when I

662
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 5>set them up on this, I said, today is a

663
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 5>free day.

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00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.159
<v Speaker 1>You're all going to go your own direction.

665
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.239
<v Speaker 5>And they looked at me like, I said, you're all

666
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 5>going to select your own dream. And I said, you

667
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:58.440
<v Speaker 5>all have been told and learned how to do this,

668
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 5>and now the test is you're all going to go

669
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.159
<v Speaker 5>off on your own lucid dream. And and don't be

670
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.119
<v Speaker 5>confined that you're just going to be roaming the grounds

671
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 5>here or you're just going to be in the here

672
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 5>and now. You can go into the past, into the future,

673
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 5>anywhere you want to go, you know, alternate realities, alternate worlds.

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00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't care.

675
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 5>I said, you decide where you're going to go. I said,

676
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.079
<v Speaker 5>it's going to be a dream of your own making

677
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 5>you decide where and when and what you're going to

678
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 5>dream about. And that's that's the only thing. And so

679
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:39.320
<v Speaker 5>I got them started with with with you know, putting

680
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 5>them to sleep. You know, I took them that far.

681
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 5>And then then I said, and now the consciousness comes forward.

682
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 5>And I said, now, when the consciousness comes forward, you're

683
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 5>going to prepare an agenda of where you want to go.

684
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.960
<v Speaker 5>You're going to visualize in terms of pictures, not words

685
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 5>or sounds, but pictures where you're going to go and

686
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 5>what you want to see and what you want to do.

687
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I said.

688
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 5>It could be sketchy, yeah, and it's your own map.

689
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 5>I said, but you need to form the pictures because

690
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.840
<v Speaker 5>this is how thought forms work. This is how our

691
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.559
<v Speaker 5>consciousness leaves us, leaves our body and go somewhere does

692
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 5>something with pictures. And so then then they were all off.

693
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.639
<v Speaker 5>And it was amazing how quickly they all fell into

694
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 5>it and how long they all stayed into it.

695
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Are you just saying that everybody in the in the

696
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>class was relaxed enough and went into a sleep state

697
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 2>and were able to jump into the lucid dreaming.

698
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 5>It seemed to me that they were all deeply into

699
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.599
<v Speaker 5>a dream. I could see no physical signs that any

700
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 5>of them were actually awake at any time during this

701
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 5>entire day, and it's like to this, I just remark

702
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 5>how amazing that was. But it also tells me how

703
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 5>anybody could do this, because there were nineteen people in

704
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 5>that room, not including me and the guy who was

705
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.960
<v Speaker 5>trying to record nothing because it sounds and there was

706
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.920
<v Speaker 5>a wide variation in the people. There was a fellow

707
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 5>there who was a professor of economics at New York NYU.

708
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 5>There was somebody who was a real estate broker. There

709
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 5>was somebody who was a dentist. There was somebody who

710
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 5>was an assistant stage manager Broadway or off Broadway. They

711
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 5>were all different. They were all really really different people,

712
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.679
<v Speaker 5>you know. And I remember at the very beginning, we

713
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 5>had two people that dropped out. I said, this is

714
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.719
<v Speaker 5>going to be a week and I'm going to show

715
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 5>you how to actually leave your body in meditation. And

716
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 5>before I got too far, we took a break and

717
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 5>two of them left and they went to square dance,

718
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:04.800
<v Speaker 5>and I said, I lost two people. They said, yeah,

719
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 5>you said you were just going to teach them how

720
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.239
<v Speaker 5>to meditate to leave the body. I said, well, there's

721
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 5>a little more than that, I said, but okay, I said,

722
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.599
<v Speaker 5>square dancing is fun.

723
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 1>You know.

724
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 5>So we had nineteen people and and at the end

725
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 5>we had a couple people that showed up late because

726
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.400
<v Speaker 5>they couldn't get there on day one, so we ended

727
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 5>up with nineteen. But yeah, I mean, it's it's I mean,

728
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 5>in a lucid dream, it might seem amazing that people

729
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.159
<v Speaker 5>could be gone three days, as in the case of

730
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.480
<v Speaker 5>the tsunami in India. It might be might be amazing

731
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 5>that all these people at this little retreat in upstate

732
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.599
<v Speaker 5>New York could be gone all day in a lucid

733
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.079
<v Speaker 5>dream with little training. But but, but, but anybody, anybody

734
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 5>can do this.

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00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.639
<v Speaker 1>And the amazing thing is time. Is it significant?

736
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 5>Because in a lucid dream, you could be gone on

737
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 5>just a few clicks of the clock next to your bed.

738
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.079
<v Speaker 5>But you've lived a whole lifetime. I've done that, and

739
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 5>you come back and say, I can't believe I was

740
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 5>gone five minutes.

741
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I lived a whole life in this other world.

742
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:15.519
<v Speaker 5>And the reverse can be true.

743
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm fascinating.

744
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, time is meaningless in the spirit realm, and that's

745
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.079
<v Speaker 5>what we're speaking about.

746
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our

747
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:33.239
<v Speaker 2>sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly with

748
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:38.000
<v Speaker 2>my guest today Von Brageler discussing his newest book, Programming

749
00:49:38.159 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Your Lucid Dreams, will rejoin you shortly. Mom. Broschelar has

750
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.119
<v Speaker 2>written three books on lucid dreams. The newest one we're

751
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:30.280
<v Speaker 2>featuring today is Programming Your Lucid Dreams. And we're getting

752
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:35.519
<v Speaker 2>into a step by step program that will guarantee you

753
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:42.199
<v Speaker 2>lucid dreams. Let's talk real quickly on about and you've

754
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.320
<v Speaker 2>been giving us the step by step setup for the dreamscape.

755
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>So the first thing is a quiet space obviously. And

756
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, did you have people bring blankets and pillows,

757
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 2>their favorite pillows so they were comfortable when they.

758
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Were laying down.

759
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but by the last day, that's that's what they

760
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 5>were we're doing.

761
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean they bring their favorite pillow or something.

762
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so so they can you can just recline. I

763
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:13.119
<v Speaker 5>think it's better when you recline on your back. First

764
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 5>of all. I think it's better when your legs and

765
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.719
<v Speaker 5>arms are are extended a little bit. I think of

766
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.440
<v Speaker 5>the in yoga because I've done a lot of yoga training.

767
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 5>The dead Man posed, but but just extended. Nothing crossing uh,

768
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:33.000
<v Speaker 5>no loose fitting clothing or no clothing, no jewelry. Take

769
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.280
<v Speaker 5>your glasses off, take your watch off, take your bracelet off,

770
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:37.199
<v Speaker 5>none of that.

771
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Nothing. You know.

772
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 5>Don't cross your feet or legs. Sometimes I sleep with

773
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 5>my feet crossed.

774
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like not on a lucid dream.

775
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're fine. It's interesting because you say in here,

776
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>focus your attention on putting the physical body to sleep,

777
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>and then you're talking about this right now, start with

778
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>your feet and work your way up to your head.

779
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>If somebody has a problem sleepy, yeah, it's not gonna work.

780
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 2>You have to be somewhat of a regular sleeper, don't you.

781
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is what's interesting.

782
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 5>You know, people that get canked out, you know, they

783
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 5>have amazing lucid dreams because the spirit leaves the body

784
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:17.039
<v Speaker 5>because suddenly, suddenly it's it's set free, you know, or

785
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.599
<v Speaker 5>or or people who are are in a comba, they'll

786
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 5>have remembered things or people that that have like in

787
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.519
<v Speaker 5>an operation, I mean always recently, in a twelve hour operation.

788
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.159
<v Speaker 5>It's like you you can go a lot of places

789
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 5>in twelve hours, you know. Oh yeah, but but but

790
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:41.239
<v Speaker 5>know that there's an inner side of what everybody knows

791
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 5>there's an inner voice in each one of us. Without

792
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.639
<v Speaker 5>getting into any kind of spiritual analysis, there's an inner

793
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 5>you that that that that speaks to you and has

794
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:56.599
<v Speaker 5>your best interest at heart. And that's what we're talking about.

795
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.199
<v Speaker 5>I think a bit of spirit.

796
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:02.559
<v Speaker 2>So talk about the next uh phase, which is deep

797
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 2>rhythmatic breathing. Yes, until it becomes regular. Now what does

798
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.239
<v Speaker 2>what does that help? How does that does that kind

799
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>of shift the consciousness a little bit?

800
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

801
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:21.199
<v Speaker 5>Now, this this is going to actually this is part

802
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:25.599
<v Speaker 5>of yoga training that it just seems to fit handing

803
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 5>glove here. It It actually opens up oneself to to

804
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 5>let consciousness come forward. Uh it it It is not

805
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 5>depriving you. I mean when we when we begin to

806
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.440
<v Speaker 5>do shallow breathing, I catch myself doing this now and

807
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 5>then moments of stress. Uh there, there isn't a lot

808
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:50.960
<v Speaker 5>of great thought going on.

809
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 1>You know that.

810
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.280
<v Speaker 5>You know you're just barely breathing. You know you've got

811
00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:00.679
<v Speaker 5>you've got to actually begin deep rhythmic reading. I like,

812
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:05.599
<v Speaker 5>I like a breath uh in threes. Uh, I do

813
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 5>uh three deep breaths. Hold it for the count of three,

814
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.840
<v Speaker 5>and then I expel it for three and as I

815
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:18.079
<v Speaker 5>begin it, I usually will think of of of of

816
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 5>taking in the energy and the pure error around me,

817
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 5>and then and then purifying it and blessing it as

818
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.119
<v Speaker 5>they take it inside and internalize it, and then I

819
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 5>expel it with with my with my love and gratitude, uh,

820
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:41.360
<v Speaker 5>onto the world. I think that getting into breathing exercises

821
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:46.199
<v Speaker 5>is almost as important as is and this is probably

822
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 5>why people have trouble because they're they're really not relaxing,

823
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 5>and this is very relaxing when you get into deep

824
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:55.639
<v Speaker 5>breathing and breathing exercises.

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00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Uh.

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00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 2>You go to the next phase, which is preparing map,

827
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you're saying, here, I'm just going to read

828
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<v Speaker 2>the first of six sections, which is notice that your

829
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>heightened consciousness is now racing while your body and analytical

830
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:18.760
<v Speaker 2>mind is at rest. Yeah, and so you're you're leaving

831
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>the critical thinking mind you have everyday activity, and this

832
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>other mind, the other level of consciousness, is you want

833
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to bring in.

834
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I mean you have to recognize at

835
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:38.559
<v Speaker 5>some point that your analytical mind, this little pocket calculator

836
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 5>that runs her life, does a really good job for

837
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.599
<v Speaker 5>what it does, but there are limits to what it

838
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.360
<v Speaker 5>can do it. It is based, It is limited by

839
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:52.440
<v Speaker 5>its own frame of reference, its own memory bank. It

840
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 5>is only as good as the information you put in.

841
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.239
<v Speaker 5>It's like a computer and nothing else. You can't speculate

842
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.280
<v Speaker 5>on the unknown. You know, it doesn't know where you

843
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.599
<v Speaker 5>were before this life. It doesn't know what lies ahead

844
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.360
<v Speaker 5>of you. It doesn't know what you need, It doesn't

845
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 5>know what's out there in the unknown world. There's only

846
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.880
<v Speaker 5>one part of you that does, and that's your inner consciousness.

847
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.519
<v Speaker 5>So it's very important to begin mapping by setting up.

848
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 1>The right part of you in charge.

849
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>So then you get to this state of consciousness that

850
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:33.840
<v Speaker 2>you're calling the dreams scape dream scape. And this is

851
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:38.199
<v Speaker 2>interesting what you write. Orient yourself to your presence there

852
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 2>and your surrounding. That's really critical, isn't it That?

853
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:46.960
<v Speaker 5>Really, it really is clip because you know otherwise you're not.

854
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:52.480
<v Speaker 1>You're not aware that you're.

855
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.159
<v Speaker 5>Truly in a lucid dream. You need to orient yourself

856
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:04.119
<v Speaker 5>so that you're consciously aware. And when you become consciously aware,

857
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 5>then your full uh a set of conscious awareness opens

858
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.159
<v Speaker 5>up to you, and and and and that's a tremendous

859
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 5>bank of resources to draw upon. It replaces all of

860
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:22.559
<v Speaker 5>your physical perceptions that you've left behind in the physical realm.

861
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.039
<v Speaker 2>And so, I mean, I've heard different techniques like look

862
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:29.239
<v Speaker 2>at your hands or something, and I don't know what

863
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.639
<v Speaker 2>the significance of looking at your hands is, but yeah,

864
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 2>that's a good bound that your physicality.

865
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

866
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Speaker 5>Now this confuses people because you say that in your

867
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.000
<v Speaker 5>in your lucid dream, the way that we're describing it here,

868
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:50.559
<v Speaker 5>it's a non physical reality. It is your subtle it

869
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 5>is your consciousness on subtle energy body level, having left

870
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.800
<v Speaker 5>the body, So how would you have hands? So, I mean,

871
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Speaker 5>I think the thing that the thing to think about

872
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.039
<v Speaker 5>is that that you're when you've left your your your

873
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:12.039
<v Speaker 5>your physical body behind, your astral double has has replaced

874
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.519
<v Speaker 5>it on the on the other level. So you have

875
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:19.199
<v Speaker 5>what's called the etheric double. And the etheric double is

876
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:27.199
<v Speaker 5>somewhat representative or or a tissue copy, a transparent copy,

877
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:32.599
<v Speaker 5>if you will, of of of your physical being. But yes, yeah, yeah,

878
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:36.400
<v Speaker 5>the importance is that you you placed yourself there. I

879
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 5>think the thing the important thing is to own uh,

880
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.920
<v Speaker 5>the experience, to own the environment, UH, to own up

881
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 5>to the dream and to uh and and and to

882
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 5>actually accept your your position there, so you're there. You

883
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 5>you're in this level of consciousness. If you have not

884
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.880
<v Speaker 5>intended to have an event or meet someone or go

885
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 5>forward or backward, you're kind of left to whose decision

886
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 5>on what you're going to do in that state. Yeah,

887
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 5>I mean you're not always going to find what you're

888
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 5>looking for in a lucid dream. I mean you have

889
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:25.760
<v Speaker 5>a wish list which you've created with pictures on your agenda,

890
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.800
<v Speaker 5>and then you've used it for mapping to get there right,

891
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:33.159
<v Speaker 5>and then then you've gone into the dreamscape and you

892
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.239
<v Speaker 5>might not find what you wanted. Now, there are various

893
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:43.559
<v Speaker 5>reasons why can be disappointing, sure, but sometimes spirit knows

894
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:47.480
<v Speaker 5>better what you're ready for. I mean, some of the

895
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:54.039
<v Speaker 5>things I wanted my first dreamscapes were insanely grandiose. I

896
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.159
<v Speaker 5>was called back by a dream teacher. I said, this

897
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.400
<v Speaker 5>is this is not good. You know, we're were going

898
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:01.719
<v Speaker 5>to curb you for a while.

899
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, what do you mean a teacher, a dream

900
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Speaker 2>teacher or a physical teacher.

901
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.559
<v Speaker 5>I had a dream teacher for a while. Somebody would

902
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:12.480
<v Speaker 5>actually help me in my dreams. And for a while

903
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 5>she would would would help me h go places until

904
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 5>I felt a little more secure going on my and

905
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 5>and people say, well, did you conjure her? And I said, well,

906
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 5>that might sound like it, but I didn't. I visualized

907
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.000
<v Speaker 5>her the same way I visualized where I want to

908
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:33.159
<v Speaker 5>go in my dream. So I visualized what kind of

909
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.199
<v Speaker 5>a kind of attributes I would need in a dream

910
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:41.039
<v Speaker 5>teacher or a dream guide. And then and then I

911
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.880
<v Speaker 5>refined it to where I could actually see her face,

912
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.199
<v Speaker 5>and then and then she was there. And then ultimately,

913
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:53.559
<v Speaker 5>like all good manifestations in visualization, I actually visualized actually

914
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:58.880
<v Speaker 5>having having found her. And then, indeed, finally when one night,

915
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.360
<v Speaker 5>when I rose above my bed, above the cabin, above

916
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.159
<v Speaker 5>the tree line, into the dark sky in the snowy

917
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.760
<v Speaker 5>mountain where I lived, I reached out my hand and

918
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.679
<v Speaker 5>there she was. She grabbed my hand, and I was

919
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 5>no longer flailing about aimlessly like a fool in the

920
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.719
<v Speaker 5>night sky. But I had someone who said where would

921
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.119
<v Speaker 5>you like to go? And I said where can I go?

922
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.119
<v Speaker 5>She said no, she said, it's important to have the

923
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:30.320
<v Speaker 5>right questions, said the important. The questions, she said, at

924
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:36.199
<v Speaker 5>this point are more important than the answers. Wow, I said, whoa, whoa?

925
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Speaker 5>She said, So choose wisely, and so I said, well,

926
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.519
<v Speaker 5>I would like to go someplace place that would would

927
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.880
<v Speaker 5>would show me things that that would be profound and

928
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:50.280
<v Speaker 5>and I could learn. So she started ticking me on

929
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.079
<v Speaker 5>walk through the woods. She said, now, you could do

930
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.519
<v Speaker 5>this during the day, she said, but we'll do it

931
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.039
<v Speaker 5>right now, and we'll show you how everything in the

932
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.960
<v Speaker 5>in the woods will teach you everything you need to know.

933
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:06.119
<v Speaker 5>She said, nature is our teacher, and this was her orientation,

934
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 5>this was who she was. So this is the kind

935
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.039
<v Speaker 5>of teacher I got. So, so this is what we did.

936
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 5>We walked in the woods, and we would spend hours

937
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 5>looking at things crawling into holes in the in the

938
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 5>in the in the woods and in the burrows, and

939
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:28.519
<v Speaker 5>hidden passages in the trees. And then she'd say, now

940
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 5>what does this mean? What is this tullis? And I said, well,

941
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.320
<v Speaker 5>that little squirrel found a place to live. She said,

942
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 5>you're not looking deep enough. She said, there's always more.

943
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:43.280
<v Speaker 5>She said, until you could ask the right questions, I

944
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.360
<v Speaker 5>can't help you find the right answers. And finally she

945
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.639
<v Speaker 5>turned me over to somebody else. She said, this is

946
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.800
<v Speaker 5>my teacher. He has more patience than I do. He

947
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.360
<v Speaker 5>will help and I said, but but I want you.

948
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.400
<v Speaker 5>I want you, And she said no, she said it's

949
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.360
<v Speaker 5>not working out. So I mean, but she was really

950
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:06.800
<v Speaker 5>good for me, and and and and Yeah. I think

951
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.000
<v Speaker 5>it's good to have a dream teacher.

952
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I like that idea that you didn't place that in

953
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.320
<v Speaker 2>your book, but a helper dream helper is great idea.

954
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

955
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, As we're concluding, von, what should people be trying

956
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:28.760
<v Speaker 2>to achieve when they get to the point where they

957
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:34.480
<v Speaker 2>can do regular lucid dreaming. I've heard some people will

958
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:40.800
<v Speaker 2>use it for problem solving, creating scenarios where they're you know,

959
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:46.519
<v Speaker 2>perhaps interacting with somebody in a relationship and learning how

960
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the person will react or whatever. But talk a little

961
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.000
<v Speaker 2>bit about the the benefits of having the ability to

962
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:54.760
<v Speaker 2>lucid dream.

963
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

964
01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:00.639
<v Speaker 5>So I think in a full blown lucid dream escape

965
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:03.880
<v Speaker 5>the way I practice it, I go somewhere and I

966
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:04.360
<v Speaker 5>do something.

967
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:05.320
<v Speaker 1>It's a great adventure.

968
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 5>I call it the inner journey of the hero within.

969
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:14.360
<v Speaker 5>But it is your consciousness that takes the journey. Now,

970
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:19.519
<v Speaker 5>if we look at different ways that people analyze remote viewing,

971
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.119
<v Speaker 5>we can understand there are different aspects to lucid dreaming

972
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:29.559
<v Speaker 5>as well. Dreaming could be simply that you remain in

973
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 5>a fixed location and you set up the lucid dream,

974
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 5>but you don't actually leave. It's not an out of

975
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:46.559
<v Speaker 5>body experience. But the consciousness nonetheless reaches out, reaches out,

976
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.480
<v Speaker 5>And this is one of the great things of consciousness

977
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 5>is that it doesn't need to go somewhere to see something.

978
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:57.079
<v Speaker 5>It can reach out like antennis, and your consciousness can

979
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.840
<v Speaker 5>reach out and find the answer. So I think finding

980
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:05.559
<v Speaker 5>answers to complex problems is wonderful. I always do this

981
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:08.719
<v Speaker 5>when I'm stuck on a book, and I will say, gosh,

982
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.039
<v Speaker 5>where do I go now? And I'll just think of that.

983
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.760
<v Speaker 5>I'll think of that, and then I begin to visualize

984
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.639
<v Speaker 5>that in terms of pictures, like what's chapter twelve?

985
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Where do I go? What do I do?

986
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 5>And and I'll dream it. You know, sometimes somebody will

987
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:28.519
<v Speaker 5>come and say.

988
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:31.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is what I would do.

989
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.000
<v Speaker 5>I'll get little helpers. They'll come say this is what

990
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:39.239
<v Speaker 5>I would do? You know, And and the answers are

991
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:45.280
<v Speaker 5>there's a infinite number of bits of information out there.

992
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.519
<v Speaker 5>All of these thought forms are all like dancing around,

993
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.400
<v Speaker 5>and all you need to do is put up your antennas,

994
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:58.360
<v Speaker 5>your consciousness and connect you know it's connecting to it

995
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.639
<v Speaker 5>is a vertical alignment of one's consciousness.

996
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh. I really like the fact that you know you're

997
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 2>this is a Hindu focused type of lucid dreaming, which

998
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.719
<v Speaker 2>is very ancient, and it might be the reason that

999
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.199
<v Speaker 2>you are able to get a room full of participants

1000
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:22.840
<v Speaker 2>to actually lucid dream without except for the square answers, Well,

1001
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.199
<v Speaker 2>they weren't meant to be in your class to be No, no, no, no.

1002
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1003
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.480
<v Speaker 2>So hey, real great having you on the program. The

1004
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.800
<v Speaker 2>books called programming your Lucid Dreams. My guess has been

1005
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Von Braschlar. Uh, give us your website and how people

1006
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:39.880
<v Speaker 2>can get a hold of you. Give us the details

1007
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:40.840
<v Speaker 2>of your social media.

1008
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.960
<v Speaker 5>Sure, it's a von Braschlar website dot com.

1009
01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's simple enough.

1010
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Very very easy. Yeah.

1011
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are you on social media? Are you on like

1012
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Facebook and Facebook?

1013
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1014
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:57.599
<v Speaker 5>Facebook, backslash v Braschlar okay, And I have a couple

1015
01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:01.599
<v Speaker 5>of pages there. One is when it's for one of

1016
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:04.559
<v Speaker 5>my books, and one of them is for my my

1017
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:05.559
<v Speaker 5>my fiction books.

1018
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I just a fiction as well.

1019
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, And this is a third of your lucid dreaming books.

1020
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it.

1021
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:12.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1022
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:16.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And then it was in the middle there there

1023
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 5>was a scroll. It's like, what a scroll?

1024
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:26.960
<v Speaker 2>And is it now available on Amazon? Yes, it is,

1025
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:28.159
<v Speaker 2>so it came out in July.

1026
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, perfect it end of June. Very end of June.

1027
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:32.400
<v Speaker 5>Oh.

1028
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Very good.

1029
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, really easy to read, and it's a good book

1030
01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:41.880
<v Speaker 2>to I mean, you make it sound so easy. I'm

1031
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.000
<v Speaker 2>almost jealous that you can kind of close your eyes

1032
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:47.519
<v Speaker 2>and get into a locid dream. So I am definitely

1033
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:51.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna give some of your techniques a try, especially because

1034
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it's Hindu bass and you're a meditator, and it might

1035
01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:58.880
<v Speaker 2>if I follow your instructions, it might be easier for me.

1036
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:01.639
<v Speaker 5>I hope I didn't put too many steps. I know

1037
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:04.199
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of steps, but if you look at that,

1038
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:07.679
<v Speaker 5>you look at the Hindu approach, the Sutrus, I'm really

1039
01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.320
<v Speaker 5>complicated and I wanted to get away from.

1040
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.159
<v Speaker 2>That that is complicated breathing.

1041
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:13.400
<v Speaker 1>You're right, it gets you.

1042
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Hey much success, Vonn, and thanks for joining me.

1043
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Cliff.

1044
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:24.600
<v Speaker 5>Good to see you.

1045
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, I was looking at this book and there's

1046
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot to really like about it, but I personally

1047
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.520
<v Speaker 2>what I'm laying down it would be great to have

1048
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:38.159
<v Speaker 2>a guided audio version of the book or a Lucid

1049
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Dreaming audible program so that you can actually listen and

1050
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.720
<v Speaker 2>go into the state. So I mean, I'm still working

1051
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 2>on Lucid Dreaming the depth of it, and I'm hoping

1052
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:53.680
<v Speaker 2>to get somewhere soon, so I'll let you know how

1053
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:57.319
<v Speaker 2>I do. But check out the book Programming Your Lucid Dreams.

1054
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<v Speaker 2>It's been out for a couple of months, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can get.

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<v Speaker 1>It out Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey want to mention we do tours. We got one

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<v Speaker 2>coming up in December. It's our Sacred Pyramids of Guatemala

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<v Speaker 2>December first to the twelfth. Lots to really like about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only doctor Lydia and Artural de Leon will be

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<v Speaker 2>our guest, but we also have a number of shaman

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<v Speaker 2>archaeologists and it's just a fantastic tour to consider. For

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<v Speaker 2>more information, go to earth Ansents dot com forward slash

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<v Speaker 2>Tours check it out. Any questions whatsoever hit me up,

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<v Speaker 2>go to Earth Ancients the number four of the letter

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<v Speaker 2>you at Gmail and I'll get right back to you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is way. This is a great way to end

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<v Speaker 2>the year. All right, that's it for this program. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank my guest today von Broschler and his

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<v Speaker 2>new book Loser Dreaming. As always the team of Gail

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<v Speaker 2>tour Mark Foster, Faisal Bavar.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys rock.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Take care of you well and we will

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you next time. The ban

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<v Speaker 3>Aga