Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
Speaker 1: with the Bill Clinton transcript from his trip to Congress.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. We have a series
Speaker 1: of questions from some of the members in the minority,
Speaker 1: and so I'll be calling them up as we go through.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just want to also again thank you
Speaker 1: for being here and answering all the questions. We appreciate
Speaker 1: that and you for your service. Just two clarifying questions.
Speaker 1: One was asked during the and I just want to
Speaker 1: have you reiterate it for the record. Either during or
Speaker 1: after your presidency, were you ever made aware of Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein having any kind of relationship, directly or indirectly, with
Speaker 1: a foreign intelligence agency or a service? I ask because
Speaker 1: we've received a lot of interest and communication about that topic,
Speaker 1: and so I want to give you a chance to
Speaker 1: answer that again if there is anything else. Bill Clinton, no,
Speaker 1: I wasn't, and I understood why now when you showed
Speaker 1: me the passport, but I wasn't. I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about that. question, thank you. And then second, of course,
Speaker 1: this deposition also sets a pretty new precedent, I think,
Speaker 1: which is something that we've been discussed and folks across
Speaker 1: the country are discussing as well. We're thankful that you're here.
Speaker 1: We believe in the minority that President Trump should also
Speaker 1: answer this committee's questions. He's someone that is mentioned almost
Speaker 1: more than any other person beside Glenn Maxwell in the
Speaker 1: Epstein documents. So to get more information for this investigation,
Speaker 1: was wondering if, You would also agree that President Trump
Speaker 1: should answer questions to this committee. Bill Clinton, that's for
Speaker 1: you to decide. But he did know him well, and
Speaker 1: I once had a brief discussion with him about it. Question,
Speaker 1: thank you, and thanks for that answer. With that, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go to Mr. Walkinshaw, and we'll go down
Speaker 1: a series of questions. Clinton, I hate this, because I
Speaker 1: don't believe I should inject anything. But I do not
Speaker 1: want to leave the impression, but since there was no
Speaker 1: follow-up question, the President never... and this is 20-something years ago,
Speaker 1: never said anything to me to make me think he
Speaker 1: was involved in anything unprofitable with regard to Epstein either.
Speaker 1: He just didn't. He just said we were friends, and
Speaker 1: then we had a falling out over a land deal,
Speaker 1: property deal, that's all. Question, thank you. Could I ask
Speaker 1: very briefly, Mr. President, if you recall, what were the
Speaker 1: circumstances of that conversation, or at least let's start with
Speaker 1: when did that conversation occur? Bill Clinton- It was on
Speaker 1: his golf course. There was a couple of years there
Speaker 1: when Joe Torre, who had been the manager of the
Speaker 1: Yankees and was a friend, had a tournament. A charitable
Speaker 1: golf tournament called appropriately for this investigation the Safe at
Speaker 1: Home Foundation. It was designed to combat domestic violence of
Speaker 1: which Joe Torre had been a victim as a child.
Speaker 1: I wanted to support it. Donald Trump gave him the
Speaker 1: golf course in New York to have the tournament and
Speaker 1: I played in it a couple times. The day I
Speaker 1: was there, Donald Trump would come out and play a
Speaker 1: few holes with us. He somehow knew I had flown
Speaker 1: on Jeffrey Epstein's aircraft, and he said, we had some
Speaker 1: great times together over the years, but we fell out
Speaker 1: because of a real estate deal. He said, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: it happened. That's all. Question, do you recall whether President
Speaker 1: Trump was the first one to affirmatively bring up the
Speaker 1: subject of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, no, but I'd be shocked
Speaker 1: if he did, or if I did. I just don't
Speaker 1: do that. Question, Do you recall whether President Trump elaborated
Speaker 1: at all on the great times that he had with
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. No, no, not at the time. I
Speaker 1: didn't put any sexual spin on it. Question. And as
Speaker 1: far as you recall, President Trump characterized the nature of
Speaker 1: the ending of their friendship as being solely due to
Speaker 1: the real estate bidding. Answer. That's what he said. Question.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Answer. But I didn't think much about it
Speaker 1: at the time. And it was two minutes and then
Speaker 1: we were gone. Question. As far as you recall. Have
Speaker 1: you had any other conversation with President Trump related to
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer, no. Question, and your
Speaker 1: best recollection, if you have one, of the year that
Speaker 1: this conversation occurred? Bill Clinton, 2002-2003? Thank you, Mr. President.
Speaker 1: Good afternoon. I just want to focus again on Ghislaine Maxwell. First,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you just to reiterate, did you ever at
Speaker 1: any point during your interaction with Ms. Maxwell know about
Speaker 1: the sexual abuse she committed? and facilitated against minors and women?
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, no. Question, when did you learn that she
Speaker 1: engaged in crimes against girls and young women? Answer, when
Speaker 1: the first evidence came out. When was it, 2019? Question, okay.
Speaker 1: Have you ever engaged in sexual activity with a person
Speaker 1: introduced to you by Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer, no. Question, you're
Speaker 1: aware that she was convicted of crimes, as we discussed,
Speaker 1: and you're aware that she's currently incarcerated as a result
Speaker 1: of her federal conviction? Answer, yes. Question, Maxwell received a
Speaker 1: 20-year sentence for her crimes. Are you aware that she
Speaker 1: has repeatedly called on President Trump to grant her clemency
Speaker 1: and that she said that you and President Trump are
Speaker 1: not guilty of any wrongdoing with respect to Epstein? Answer,
Speaker 1: I know that now, yes. Question, in your opinion, does
Speaker 1: she deserve or should be granted clemency by President Trump? Answer,
Speaker 1: I don't think I should comment on that. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about President Trump other than what I've already
Speaker 1: told you. I thought that was a mistake to pardon
Speaker 1: everybody in the January 6th case. I think that the
Speaker 1: thing was really hard for me when it came out
Speaker 1: because we had been friendly with Ghislaine. I was sad,
Speaker 1: but it was terrible what she did and she had
Speaker 1: to be punished. Somebody beside me should make a decision
Speaker 1: on what they did. So she got 20 years and
Speaker 1: there it is. You know what's so wild about this?
Speaker 1: He's lying because everybody knew what Ghislaine Maxwell was all
Speaker 1: the way back in the day and he still chose
Speaker 1: to hang out with her But because he's on people's team,
Speaker 1: it's okay, right? Fucking disgusting. Question. Okay, Mr. President. On
Speaker 1: July 24th, 2025, the Deputy Attorney General and President Trump's
Speaker 1: former personal attorney, Todd Blanch, conducted a closed-door interview of Ms.
Speaker 1: Maxwell at her then-low-security prison on August 1st, 2025. Just
Speaker 1: a few days after that interview, she was transferred to
Speaker 1: a low-security prison in where she's afforded a list of amenities,
Speaker 1: personalized meals, playtime with puppies, a transfer that I think
Speaker 1: most Americans agree is inconsistent with a very serious crime
Speaker 1: she was convicted of. Do you have any opinion on
Speaker 1: her transfer to that lower security prison and the amenities
Speaker 1: she's been granted? Did it seem strange to you when
Speaker 1: you learned of that? Answer, I think you're in a
Speaker 1: better position to find out what happened than I am.
Speaker 1: You notice how cautious he is around the Glenn Maxwell topic?
Speaker 1: I wonder why. Question. Okay. When you were president of
Speaker 1: the U.S., was it common for your deputy attorney general
Speaker 1: to directly conduct interviews of witnesses and or federal inmates? Question.
Speaker 1: Was it? You were there. Answer. You have to testify
Speaker 1: what you know, what you recall. Do you recall? Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's asking, did you ever send a deputy attorney general,
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, to the best of my knowledge? I did
Speaker 1: not do that. Question. All right. Thank you, Mr. President.
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. May I ask a question? Representative Foster. Are
Speaker 1: you still the youngest person in Congress? Representative Foster, yes
Speaker 1: I am, Mr. President. Bill Clinton, lucky you. Foster, hopefully
Speaker 1: that changes. If you're the youngest, for too long, it's
Speaker 1: not good. Oh, give me a break, who cares? What
Speaker 1: the fuck does this have to do with Epstein? Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: come time, believe me, I was for most of my
Speaker 1: life the youngest person doing whatever I was doing. And
Speaker 1: one day I woke up, I was the oldest man
Speaker 1: in every room and I couldn't tell you for the
Speaker 1: rest of the life of me how I got from
Speaker 1: one place to the other. Time will take care of it.
Speaker 1: Enjoy it while it lasts. Oh, how cute. Isn't that great? Question.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. It's a blessing to be the
Speaker 1: oldest person in the room as well. Mr. President, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to circle back to the conversation you had
Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein on the golf course or with, sorry,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump on the golf course in New York. President Trump,
Speaker 1: has said publicly multiple times that his falling out with
Speaker 1: Epstein was a result of him hiring away workers from
Speaker 1: Mar-a-Lago and his crimes. He said that's why he kicked
Speaker 1: him out of Mar-a-Lago. I have two questions about this.
Speaker 1: Did President Trump specifically characterize the result of this land
Speaker 1: dispute that had as a falling out specifically to the
Speaker 1: best of your gets cut off by Clinton? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: said both wanted the same piece of land. He didn't
Speaker 1: say what it was. And that's all I remember. Question.
Speaker 1: And he said it was a falling out as a
Speaker 1: result of that? Answer, yeah. Said it strained the relationship. Question,
Speaker 1: do you know when this conversation happened? Answer, when the
Speaker 1: conversation I had with him happened? Answer, uh-huh. Question, or
Speaker 1: excuse me. Answer, well, I had, it had to be
Speaker 1: in 2002 or 2003, I think. Question, 2002, 2003. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you. During any of your interactions with Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: or Glenn Maxwell, did either of them ever mention or
Speaker 1: discuss their relationship or connections? With Howard Lutnick? Answer, no. Question,
Speaker 1: how about the relationship or connection with Alex Acosta? Answer, no. Question, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. Those are my questions. Now it's Melanie Stansberry
Speaker 1: doing the questioning. Good morning, Mr. President. Answer, good morning. Question,
Speaker 1: I'm Melanie Stansberry. I represent New Mexico's 1st Congressional District,
Speaker 1: and it's an honor to have you and your counsel here.
Speaker 1: This is a very important investigation, and we obviously have
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. For me personally, this case is
Speaker 1: all about justice for the victims. And I really appreciate
Speaker 1: in your opening statement, your statement about nobody being above
Speaker 1: the law, including a president. And I think it's important
Speaker 1: that we're setting the precedent for Congress establishing oversight and
Speaker 1: subpoena power over a president. And I believe Donald Trump
Speaker 1: should and ultimately will be in front of this body.
Speaker 1: I also appreciate what you said about women and girls
Speaker 1: who were abused by Jeffrey Epstein deserving justice and healing.
Speaker 1: And that's where I'd like to focus my questions. In particular,
Speaker 1: I want to focus on three survivors who have shared
Speaker 1: their stories that involve you. I want to begin with
Speaker 1: Maria Farmer. Do you know who Maria Farmer is? Maria
Speaker 1: Farmer was employed by Jeffrey Epstein and abused by him
Speaker 1: for a number of years. And she first reported her
Speaker 1: abuse to the New York PD and FBI in 1996.
Speaker 1: She states she has personal knowledge that you visited Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein's house three to four times while you were the
Speaker 1: sitting president between 95 and 96. She says she knows
Speaker 1: this based on photographs that Ghislaine Maxwell showed to her,
Speaker 1: as well as discussions with the staff. So let me
Speaker 1: ask you, Mr. President, Did you visit Jeffrey Epstein's house
Speaker 1: while you were president? Answer. I don't remember doing that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe I did. Question. How do you explain
Speaker 1: the discrepancy? Objection. Clinton's lawyer calls. Calls for him to speculate. Answer.
Speaker 1: I can't speculate, but I can tell you is I
Speaker 1: don't remember being there. Question. Okay. Moving on to Virginia Roberts.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with her? Answer. Uh-huh. Question. As has
Speaker 1: already been established, she stated in numerous sworn statements, including
Speaker 1: a sworn deposition, in the deposition in the Maxwell trial,
Speaker 1: that she saw you on the island with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: In fact, this morning, her family shared her diary with me,
Speaker 1: and in it is a quote wherein she writes, quote,
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton met two times island with two girls, CTGM
Speaker 1: and JE. What's your reaction to that? Bill Clinton, it's
Speaker 1: not true. Oh yeah, just like Monica Lewinsky wasn't true, huh?
Speaker 1: Another person calling Virginia a liar. That's nice. Question. Do
Speaker 1: you have any dates associated with that? Were there dates
Speaker 1: on the diary? His lawyer asks. Question by Stansberry. I
Speaker 1: don't have that information, but we'll be happy to share
Speaker 1: it with you. Answer by his lawyer. It would be
Speaker 1: terrific because I think there are also records that would
Speaker 1: reflect where else he would have been. So thanks. Clinton.
Speaker 1: Did she say that in her book? Question by Stansberry.
Speaker 1: This is from her personal diary that her family shared
Speaker 1: with us. Clinton. Yeah, but the book came out more recently.
Speaker 1: Did she say that in the book? Stansberry. I'm just
Speaker 1: reading you the entry from her diary that her family
Speaker 1: shared with me. Clinton. I think she ultimately reached a
Speaker 1: different conclusion. Although I had no contact with her. No,
Speaker 1: she did not. Wow. And just to be clear, Virginia
Speaker 1: never said that Bill Clinton did anything untowards. In fact,
Speaker 1: she said he was a gentleman. And I believe her.
Speaker 1: I also believe her that he was on the island. Question, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that it's on the record.
Speaker 1: That is Virginia's statement. Did you ever fly in a
Speaker 1: helicopter with Glaine? Bill Clinton, ever, anywhere? I have no idea. Question, okay, well,
Speaker 1: at least one of the survivors claims that you flew
Speaker 1: in a helicopter with Glaine Maxwell to the island. Question,
Speaker 1: did you ever? His lawyer asks, Bill Clinton, then I
Speaker 1: did not do that. I've never been to that island. Question, okay,
Speaker 1: the third person I want to talk about briefly is
Speaker 1: Shantae Davies. I know we've already mentioned her here today.
Speaker 1: I know you already mentioned that she was listed as
Speaker 1: a flight attendant on the trip to South Africa in
Speaker 1: 2002 that you took with Jeffrey Epstein. Are you aware
Speaker 1: that Shantae Davies is a survivor who claimed she was
Speaker 1: abused for three years, including during that time period? Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: I am now. Question, are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: recruited his victims through calling them masseuses? Bill Clinton, no. Question,
Speaker 1: you're not aware that Jeffrey... She gets cut off by Clinton,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't surprise me. But I didn't know that, no. Question,
Speaker 1: knowing that Jeffrey Epstein recruited hundreds of minors as masseuses
Speaker 1: to massage him, and knowing that his victims, who was
Speaker 1: a survivor of three years of his sexual abuse as
Speaker 1: a masseuse, was on the plane, does that make you
Speaker 1: think about the massage you received from her differently? The
Speaker 1: lawyer jumps in, can I just interrupt? You're saying knowing,
Speaker 1: you know that. He was saying that he was unaware...
Speaker 1: that that's how Mr. Epstein was recruiting his individuals. Stansberry,
Speaker 1: I'm asking if today. The lawyer jumps in, thank you.
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, have you seen the picture? Stansberry, I have
Speaker 1: a copy of it, yes, right here. Question while I'm
Speaker 1: sitting up in the... Gets cut off by Stansberry. I'm
Speaker 1: just asking, if now that you know that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: recruited girls as masseuses, does that reframe the photograph in
Speaker 1: knowing that there were girls on the plane that were
Speaker 1: being abused? His lawyer objects. It states facts, not in
Speaker 1: the record. You can ask this witness what he thinks
Speaker 1: or remembers or remembers or anything that happened, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's right to ask him to speculate. Clinton,
Speaker 1: she wants to know if I feel bad about it, yes.
Speaker 1: Representative Stansbury, I'm not. Clinton cuts her off, don't you? Question,
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get at is that there's a
Speaker 1: culture that surrounded Jeffrey Epstein in which rich and powerful
Speaker 1: people saw young women that were survivors who were being
Speaker 1: abused and didn't say anything and didn't do anything. His
Speaker 1: lawyer jumps in. So was your question, gets cut off
Speaker 1: by Stansberry. Part of what I'm trying to do is
Speaker 1: ask you, we know there was a survivor that was
Speaker 1: on that plane. You've stated you didn't know she was
Speaker 1: a survivor. I understand that. But I'm asking, now that
Speaker 1: you're aware that Epstein was recruiting survivors as masseuses, does
Speaker 1: this make you rethink what you saw as you were
Speaker 1: traveling and interacting with him? The lawyer jumps in. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he has already spoken to. Bill Clinton cuts the
Speaker 1: lawyer off. No, but I... Lawyer jumps back in. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, wait a minute. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that you're clearly answering her question. He's already stated that
Speaker 1: what he saw, what he knows. And so what you're
Speaker 1: now asking him, given what you've now shared with him,
Speaker 1: does he think any differently about what he saw? Stansbury, yeah. Question.
Speaker 1: And what he knew? Thank you. Stansbury, yeah. Thank you. Clinton,
Speaker 1: I wish Shantae would have told me. I liked her,
Speaker 1: but I didn't think it was anything unusual. And I
Speaker 1: can tell you how many airplanes I've been on. where
Speaker 1: rich people asked me to go, and they had someone
Speaker 1: offering a massage. All these boats that you go on,
Speaker 1: and all that, they all do it. Usually I don't
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not into this. Stansberry, well that certainly
Speaker 1: raises some other questions about people offering free massages and boats, etc.
Speaker 1: But I do want to enter a couple of exhibits
Speaker 1: into the record. I know council is prepared to pass
Speaker 1: them out. While that's occurring, we're going to introduce this exhibit.
Speaker 1: What is it? Exhibit 1 or Exhibit I. It'll be
Speaker 1: Minority Exhibit I, which is an FBI PowerPoint that was
Speaker 1: included in the files that was released as part of
Speaker 1: the Epstein Files Transparency Act. I would like to introduce
Speaker 1: this exhibit, which is Exhibit J, which is an internal
Speaker 1: correspondence email between the FBI. Though I'm short on time,
Speaker 1: what I'll describe in both these exhibits is that your
Speaker 1: name appears in FBI tip sheets as having attended parties
Speaker 1: in Jeffrey Epstein's presence in which sexual activities were occurring.
Speaker 1: Did you ever attend a party of any kind or
Speaker 1: any event with Jeffrey Epstein in which sexual activities were occurring?
Speaker 1: Answer no. Question, okay, and then finally, there will be
Speaker 1: many millions of people that watch this deposition. What would
Speaker 1: you like to say to the survivors directly? Clinton, that
Speaker 1: I hope this will produce a sense of finality, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll happen until the government starts holding
Speaker 1: onto all these records. I think that the record should
Speaker 1: be released, and I think that We need to come
Speaker 1: up with strategies to help people who can't get over
Speaker 1: this get better. And the most important thing we do,
Speaker 1: I think, besides treat the victims, is increase the guardrails
Speaker 1: that will set off alarm systems and stop other people
Speaker 1: from doing the same thing that Epstein did. Stansbury, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, Mr. President. Bill Clinton, thank you. All right, folks,
Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
Speaker 1: next episode dealing with the topic, we'll pick up where
Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
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