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Speaker 1: I first arrived inside this forest in November of nineteen

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ninety two, and right away I had to know what

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is the history of this lay of land, what happened

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here and how did it happen? What was the foresight

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of what was about to take place? The arrival of humans?

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Four stories on ero dot net A R r Oe

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dot Net. Enjoy the exploration, Allan. I got to tell

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you something. I made a promise to myself, as that

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fifteen year old kid in Billing's Montana, that I would

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never see Fleetwood Mac live because I didn't want to

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lose what I felt when I opened up Rumors, and

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I felt something that I just to this day I

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still own it in my soul, and I think that

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seeing them live would take that away.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I guess it's the roll of the dice

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of whether it would, you know, enhance or detract from

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the experience, you know, to see them up there altogether.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're speaking my street when you jump into this,

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because Rumors has been such a major part of not

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just my life, We're talking millions of lives around the world.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Oh yeah, out and for coming up on fifty

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years now. Nope, since this record came out in nineteen

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seventy seven, and yes, I thought it when it came

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out then to I'll Own My Age. That's okay, But

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that you're talking about, you know, not just one generation,

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but really two generations later, who continue to embrace this record,

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Who and who continue to run towards those feelings that

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you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I can't be the only one, though. That was a

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little upset that it wasn't a two record set, since

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Frampton Comes Alive really kind of you know, you know,

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it spoiled me and I wanted more from Fleetwood Mac

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and I thought, okay, then you've got to go back

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either to their pass or wait for Tusk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, of course they went for the double

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album after but I think, look, part of the beauty

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of rumors, of course, is how perfect, you know, every

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second of this record is. There is not a track

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you would skip. There is not a second that you

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would you know that were the editor, where the intensity

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dips at all. In fact, so much so that Silver Springs,

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you know, an incredible song like that couldn't even fit

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on the record because it would have made the LP

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sides too long. Back in the vinyl days when you

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could only do twenty minutes on a side. And Silver Springs,

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which has become so much a part for you know,

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for younger listeners now you know, the TikTok moment of

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that performance of Silver Springs when they got back together

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in nineteen ninety seven, for the dance has become a

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defining moment for Fleetwood Mac and become sort of an

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introduction to Rumors for a lot of listeners when it

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wasn't even on the album in the first class.

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Speaker 1: So did you sit down with kN Kallay, because I've

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been with him three times. We had we had an

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Indian dinner together, and my god, just to hear his

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passion even today, it's still very much active in him.

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Speaker 2: Well. And look his book about the you know, it's

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called Making Rumors, is such a great account of the

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sessions and the making of the album. And that's part

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of the reason that that isn't really the book I

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wanted to write. I mean, that stuff is out there

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where there's the classic albums, you know, document on VH one,

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there's Ken's book, The story of the soap opera of

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Rumors and the breakups and the craziness and the tension

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you know, obviously I have to do that in a

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concise version for this book, But what I really wanted

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to look at was what is this appeal for young people? Now?

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Why is it that Rumors was the biggest selling rock

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album of twenty twenty four of anything old or new.

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You know that it's the most streamed album of the

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twentieth century on Spotify, more than any Beatles album or

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Nirvana or whatever you might think. So what is it

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that keeps attracting young listeners? Why is it that it

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still feels so relevant and so resonant, you know, not

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just back in the day when it was one of

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the biggest albums of all time, but continues to you know,

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to get this this reaction and you know, this intensity

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from teenagers from kids today. What is you know? That

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was what I really wanted to look at in this book,

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because how does an album again that's almost fifty years old,

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still feel so significant and so relevant? You know in

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twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Okay is one of the needles in the haystack. The

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very fact that I learned something very valuable inside your book,

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and that is that Fleetwood Mac was thinking about the

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Beg's when they did secondhand news. Is it possible that

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Barry Gibbs rhythm and kind of soulful flavor is in

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that song and it flows through the entire album, And

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that's the reason why it's still here.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's so many things. I mean, I think you're

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when you're talking about an album with three you know,

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not just not just three different singers and songwriters, but

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three different singers and songwriters as fantastic as Lindsey bucking Up,

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Stevinix and Christine McVie. I mean, come up with another

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band that can put three different voices, three different writers

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up front like that. You know, the variety that that

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allows for, the different sounds, the different perspectives out of

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constantly shifting point of view that you're getting, that's different

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than any other band. I mean, the Beatles almost do that,

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but George isn't exactly an equal partner with John and Paul,

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you know, even even there, right, So, I think you know,

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you're talking about so many different influences. People going through

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these experiences. You know, they're all going through these breakups,

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but they're all at different stages of processing their anger,

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their resentment. There you know, how resolved they are to

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it again. I think for young listeners, for adolescents going

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through those feelings, maybe for the first time, they're hearing

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this full spectrum, this range of emotions that they can

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grab onto and you know, and sort of learn about,

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you know, learn about life, learn about how you go

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through heartbreak, you know what the pain of that is,

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what the what the after effects of that are Rumors

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does something that no other record does, and drawing from

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you know, you're saying, there's there's the beg's, there's you

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know what. I learned that the Spinners were an influence

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on the sound of Dreams, that they wanted to get

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that sort of R and B groove going, which if

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you think about the rhythm section in Dreams, okay, I

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can sort of hear that. Then there's the acousta. There's

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something like never Going Back Again, that's just a purely

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acoustic song. There are so many things that are going

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on in this album, and I think for young again,

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for listeners who maybe didn't grow up listening to albums,

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it almost plays more like a playlist for them because

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it's not one guy singing at them for forty five minutes.

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It's all of these different things that are happening.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Alan Light coming

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up next, the name of the book, don't stop. Why

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we still love Fleetwood, Max Rumors. Let's get back to

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that talk with Alan Light. You are really good with

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your written word in the way that you painted a

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picture that I want inside a frame inside my home,

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and that is of Stevie Nicks with her journals and

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knittings sitting on that bed. Because as a daily writer,

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if I could just see her with those journals, you

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have no idea how powerful that would hit my heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these are you know, the cult of

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Stevie Nicks runs deep as you as you know, especially

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with young people. She has really become the the female

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rock and roll icon, you know, sort of more than anybody.

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If you saw Taylor Swift on Stephen Colbert the other

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night when he asked her who does she turn to

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for guidance, the first thing she said is, well, I'm

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lucky enough to be friends with Stevie Nicks. Oh my god.

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And if you listen to that New Tailor single, if

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you listen to Life of Ophelia, which is the number

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one time in the country right now, that groove is

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one one hundred percent the sound of dreams like that

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is listen to the basin drums, and that is the

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sound they're going for. So this is a thing that

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you know, rumors plays like not like a classic, not

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like you know, something you're supposed to listen to, but

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for young people, for you know, it plays like a

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pop record that they would listen to today. That's what I

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was really fascinated by and spoke to, you know, thirty

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some post millennials about their relationship to this album and

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how they found it and what their feelings are about it.

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And that was the thing that you know, really got

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me interested in, you know, in pursuing this project.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to know who Suzanne and Adam

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are and I want to know if they've heard a

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lot of rumors from Fleetwood Mac. And I'm because I'm

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sure that Irwin, Irwin knows about Fleewood Mac. And boy,

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you got to go get another needle because you burned

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that album out.

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Speaker 2: That is that is my wife and my son and

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my dad to who to whom I dedicate this book

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my son and watch when he was in high school

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and watching him and his friends, and in this sense

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that Rumors was and they all knew this album. They

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didn't care about the other seventies, and they didn't care

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about Hotel California. Yeah, Born to Run. They cared about Rumors.

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They all knew it. And that was what started me

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thinking about what is it? What is it that's so

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special about this album that you know, sixteen seventeen year

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olds are are listening to it. They're not listening to

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the rest of the other classic rock stuff sounds old

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to them, This one doesn't. What is that about?

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Speaker 1: So now let me ask you a question. Do you

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think that now that Lindsay has gone out to do

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this last solo John, because he kind of kicked his

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butt out of the band, do you think that he's

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going to come back to the band a wiser man

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in the way, Because I still believe there is another

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Rumors inside this band. It's waiting to get out. They

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just can't find the time to get together.

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Speaker 2: Look, who know the history, the chaos and Fleetwood Mac

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pre goes back even before you know the other members

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ever heard the names Lindsay and Stevie. When they were

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still a blues band in England. They were losing members

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to cults. They were, you know, addiction to on stage fights.

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There's a point where there's a fake Fleetwood Mac that's

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touring because the real Fleetwood Mac couldn't get it together

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to go out and tour. So, you know, chaos surrounds

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this band from day one. After Christine McVie died, you know,

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they were pretty adamant saying we're not gonna you know,

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there's no Fleewood Back without her. We're not gonna do it.

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They agreed to put out the Buckingham nixt album that

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they made, you know before they joined the band, that

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had been out of print for all those years. We're

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coming up on a fiftieth anniversary. Maybe they'll do something,

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you know, betting on what Fleetwood Mac is going to

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do as a suckers game and I and I won't

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do it. It's hard to it's hard to imagine, but it

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is never impossible.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I got ten minutes with you is not enough.

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We've got to set up a date and talk some more, dude,

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because you're talking about my band, and and and because

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I mean they even now do kiss, and I came

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from that generation. I mean Fleewood Mac was my kiss.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's this is this is peak seventies. We're talking

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about you know, biggest, biggest album's, biggest artists of all time.

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But this is the one that right now, you know,

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towers above the others in terms of you know, continued relevance.

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And that was, that was what what drew me to

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want to spend a couple of years working on a

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book about it. So Arrow, anytime you know where to

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find me, I'll come back.

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Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today, okay, sir, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Man'd be well, and thanks so much.