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the full episode. We're gonna do this for all our

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exclusive retros, for Superman, Mission Impossible, what else we gotta

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cook in Fantastic four. We're gonna release one episode to

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the public feeds, give you a little taste, see if

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you like it, and if you want the whole retrospective,

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coming weeks whenever they come out. So thank you very

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much for your support. As always, and enjoy this retro

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birm B don't want to get copyright. Some use the

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music for the Superman retrospective. I'm the clown Prince of

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Crypton try to snails. I'm joined by Yeah, imagine this

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is the opening credits of Superman.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, Christopher Reeve, I'm the maddest deal grit,

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I'm the Superman.

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Speaker 3: Taylor Field, get.

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Speaker 1: Rid of that ship.

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Speaker 2: Come along, my god, they're bypassed for copyright.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Superman music. But yeah, Lsia, when

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we were here for a I don't know if I

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can say long waited, but I feel like long waited

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gonna do this retrospective. And I feel like there's been

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multiple times we thought that was gonna happen. I'm sure

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probably after BBS we thought, well, it's inevitable, they'll happen. Uh,

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maybe after Justice League, Zack Snyder's just Leaue thought what

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happened didn't happen. And then Henry Cavill was back as

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everyone remember that for a week he was Superman and

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back actually, So it's been so many times where I've

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been written, my finer has been over the red button, like, oh,

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here we go, finally do it because and I don't think, honestly,

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we've talked about these movies much or really at all

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So I'm excited to talk to these guys about it.

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Patroon producer, you're getting these right when we record him.

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in Patroon up when they release monthly. This is one

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of the exclusive retrospectives Long and Fantastic Four that we

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did this year. Next year. It's kind of a combo,

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but every year we do about two to three retros

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are just Patreon exclusive. But the reason I think I've

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just been wanting to cover this is because obviously Superman,

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big deal. Hopefully Superman at this point, who knows when

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people are listening to us. We've not seen a trailer

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for James Gunns sing anything, even a poster, but I

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feel like it's something vital to cover on the podcast

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because this is the first ever com movie there's a

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couple other ones that like came out black and white,

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but really like a big motion picture. This is the first, big,

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big one. This is one that kicks it all off, starts,

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the first superhero movie, but I consider the first comic

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book movie really, you know, for a Marvel DC project.

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you can tell us that, and then also what is

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your thoughts about it on twenty twenty four or five

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whenever someone's listening to this, I'm not sure, but in

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this time we've recorded it.

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that I that I latched onto. But I'm pretty sure

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seventy eight. I really try to like wrap my head

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this specific viewing. And man, I still think that this

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showcasing like the two sides of that character. I really love,

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that first one. So yeah, I'm excited on ravlit with

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we're gonna get there, But you'd seen Superman Returns with

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be Gene Hackman. Kevin space Ke's coming up on these

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retros we did in their beauty last year. I feel

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he keeps gonna give retro O. We're far We're far

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one time is enough for that movie, so that is

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the Superman sphere. And then we have done Man of

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Steel and all his movies as well too, so they

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will be in the feeds. But if you're wondering, oh,

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you guys doing that, We've already done them. We don't

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to redo those, but they're already up there. So if

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you listen to this all I want more. You got

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Steel and Man of Steel up there. Very contrast to

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styles there. But yeah, so taya, what do you think

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about watching this in twenty twenty four for the first time.

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It's a nearly god, now, what fifty year old movie

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soon or it is fifty already because what seventy seven

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so I guess two, So it's soon to be fifteen

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a couple of three years, so it's forty seven years old.

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My god, geez.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it holds up. Like of course,

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the effects are definitely outdated, but I think the like

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the acting, in the chemistry with the characters and the actors.

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I think they did a damn good job. And I

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really really had a fun, enjoyable viewing of this movie.

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I liked it a lot more than I thought I

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was gonna like it. I thought that maybe it was

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just gonna be too old, that it might be just

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too much for me to kind of go into. But

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after watching it, I just feel like, yeah, I just

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I like those those seventies eighties films a lot more

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than some of the stuff that comes out today. Uh,

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And I just think that, yeah, it was. It was fantastic.

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Reeves is incredible, Like just Reeve.

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Speaker 1: Just read that before I get at his name is

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just Christopher Reeve. Reeve, not like Matt Reeves.

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Speaker 2: It's just ree Or you're talking about his whole family.

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You can say that, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well you're just going to Reef. No, you're just going

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to Reeve family, you know, would family. I get, well,

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if you're hanging out with the yeah, I guess if

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you're hanging out with the Reeves, then it's plural. But

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we're not talking about them plural, Okay, But we will

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see one of his sons will be in the Superman

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two thousand. I hate that. I don't call Superman legacy anymore.

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I just want to say that because again, technically this

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is called Superman the movie. It was never called Superman,

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so there's never been a movie just called Superman. Interesting. Uh,

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but Christopher Reeve has a son who, funny enough, in

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real life, is a reporter who is gonna be in

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the James Gun Superman movie. I think that's kind of

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a fun full circle.

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Speaker 2: He's a reporter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a reporter. Yeah, and he fucking looks like

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very much like his father. It's kind of scary, so

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it'll be fun.

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Speaker 3: Did the audition for Superman and well, no, he's.

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Speaker 1: A reporter, Why you're not? That would have been the

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most Gun gets like accused of nepotism already. Just hiring

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Will Reeve, who has never acted in his life, just

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to play Superman, that'd be the most nepotism higher of

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all time.

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Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, I just think, uh, this storyline was. It

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was interesting because this is like a two hour long film,

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and I think, okay, you get you get a lot

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of familiar, familiar things in here that I was aware

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of because obviously, man a Steel, it's pulling from that

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source material, which I'm assuming is just all from the

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comics where he's sent a Krypton. He's Krypton gets destroyed. Yeah,

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so it's gets sent to Earth. But I like how

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they kind of elaborate a little bit more on on

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things here with him like just being like sent off

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and like, oh he was like a few galaxies away,

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it took him a few years to get to Earth.

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I liked all those kind of little details and just

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the way that they were kind of having him just

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play the Clark character is fucking great. Like you said, Kirkln,

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I think he's He's definitely an actor that portrays both

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that superhero and then Clark kent really really well, and

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I just I can't believe how fast he was able

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and just to like put it all on the line,

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like Lois I Am Superman that he just really wanted

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to spilled the beans but he didn't. There's he didn't know,

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he did not it was all an accident. She'll getting

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too in another retro. But the one scene, sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a very popular Twitter video. They share. It's

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like an algorithm that they get share all the time.

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But it is great. In that scene where he is

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like all summed over as Clark, and when he takes

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his glasses off, you literally like see like transform in

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the moment he puts a glass song, like just little

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stuff like that, whether it was Ham a director is

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just great shit in this movie where he like physically

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is making his body like I love Toby, but like

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there's no difference between Spider Man and Peter Parker, right,

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they stand the same, they walk the same, and they

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sounds like everything. But like even Clark, like when I

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do the nerd voice, like that's why it's usually like

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park Kent because it's like, oh a loos you know, like, yeah,

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the coffee is not good, like, but when he takes

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all the glasses his whole he looks like a different man.

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You know. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The whole sequence of him flying with lois though, and

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that follows that I guess it was before. I guess

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it was before actually just with her monologuing and like

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can you read my mind? Like it was just yeah,

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like I feel like most especially the second one, it's

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just it's it's a fucking I felt like it was

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borderline softcore.

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Speaker 1: It's just getting I was originally supposed to sing in

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that see. I didn't put in the trivia, but she

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was supposed to sing in that scene where they are flying.

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Speaker 3: Pretty much was just you can't see her mouth during

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those scenes. That's That's really the only thing that really

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kind of pulled me out. But uh, it's been fun

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watching it, like because Madison has been laughing about a

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lot of scenes. The second one was very comedic, but

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there was a few things in here that was that

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was good, mostly just with Lex Luthor though. I found

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his scenes with his henchmen that was really the most

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for the most part where I was laughing because I

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feel like they were trying to make the comedic beats

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with those characters. But everything else outside of that, I

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felt like it is very serious and very like drama heavy,

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and I liked it like action packed. It was fun

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and the teen is just fucking super enveloped in it.

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Oh my god, Oh I think so she loves it, like,

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oh my Jesus, super flying around like it's like the

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next level for her.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well there you go. Yeah. No, So for me,

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I definitely have seen like all these movies like a

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few times. We'll get to them. Which ones I've seen

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more than the other ones because there if you've only

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seen i'd say that, and i'd say other than Superman

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one and two, the rest of them i've seen maybe

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once once and a half because there's not much to

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go back to. So I'm excited to talk about those.

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But with this one, yeah, it's interesting because I'm, as

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I've said before, I'm not a Superman guy per se.

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It's one of those things. I'm a Batman guy. And

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it's so I naturally did not have this in the

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rotation that much. It was on TV many times, and

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same thing the second one. I feel like they'd played

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them back to back and like I don't know TBS

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or the Sci Fi Network or something like that, right,

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but so it wasn't one. I don't even know if

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I owned it for a while and I just kind

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of I think I eventually there was a moment where

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I just wrote them off, was being super cheesy and

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didn't return them for like a very very long time,

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and I think it was I'd have to look at

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my letterbox and might even last year was I don't know,

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maybe I was. I think I was. I think I

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was watching it for flash and obviously at that point

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I can't remember if they had announced, I think we

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knew Superman, like, oh god, I can't remember when Flash

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was coming out. Did James gun Superman already? Was that

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a thing like it was at cast? I think it was, right,

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I think it was. I don't know, but either way,

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I think i'd heard the rumblings of the reeveisms and Flash.

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I'm like, okay, let me give the shot, and I'm

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the same thing as you guys were. It held up

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more than I thought it was gonna be. But I

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think I just even liked it more than I ever

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had because I feel like as a kid, I just

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got like, oh yeah, that's fine. And I feel like

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they even for me at that point, were feeling dated

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because like I was watching Batman a bunch and those

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already feel a bit more up, like mature and updated,

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And then Toby Spiderman was coming out and X Men,

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so I just feel like I didn't go back to

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it as much, and the Superman I would prefer being

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other things. That's where I'm glad you enjoy Lex. I

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don't enjoy Lex and these because like Lex and the

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animated series that's my Lex Luthor voiced by the Great

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Clancy Brown. You know always show, he's always right, but

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he's just like I've said before, he's like the Rock

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but evil, Like that's what he is. Like he has

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this like very is the anti Bruce Wayne, where he's

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a very great public persona, seems like a friendly guy,

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but then behind closed door he's a piece of shit

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and he's very powerful. He's very smart, where like there's

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signs lex is smartier, but it's just like I'm the

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smartest criminal in the world. Like that's but it's of

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course just because like the era of it, right, Like

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I feel like it is playing that up, so it's

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not that like it's awful, but those are definitely the

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scenes where I kind of check out. But yeah, like

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you guys have said Chris for Reeveman, that's where it's.

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I feel like I watched it last year and then

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obviously watched it again this week to prepare for this,

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and I did not appreciate. I was just thought, Okay,

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people love him because he's the first, right, It's like

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how people love Connery, but even with Connory, it's like,

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oh yeah, I love Conry, but like I still like

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Craigmore and I still like Bronzeon and more. And obviously

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that's some stuff like with but even Daniel Craig, I

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can go, like with a bowl, I go no, I

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think he's a better bond than Conry. And I could

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give you all these examples, and with Reeve, I just said, Okay,

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people hold on to him because he's the first one.

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I've not seen those movies enough to be like, yeah,

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I would defend him, But then when I watched this,

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I'm like, fuck, he really is like the top tier,

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like and I love what Henry eventually did with some

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of the things role I do have some issues with

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all those movies, right, we can check all the retros,

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and I think there's times where you know, he like

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improved as an actress. Things went along Remaine mass Still

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he's a bit more wooden Ralph same thing. I can't

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comment on. But I feel like it's just like a

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poor man's Reeve. But uh yeah, Reeve is like him

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and Margaret Kidder is, like their chemistry is so fantastic,

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it's so fun. We talk about like the best comic

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book couples, but already in the first one, it's like,

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this is like a top ten one, Like easily we'll

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usually wouldn't happen. Right, it's like you're gonna do a

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few Spider Man's Batman's because like Spider Man, I would

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never put like Peter and MJ in the top ten

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for chemistry, right, I would never put like Bruce Wayne

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and Vicky Vale in the top ten for chemistry. So

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I feel like early on.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot like about Spider Man and Gwen.

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Speaker 1: I would that, That's what I was gonna say. I

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would Peter and Gwen, I would Tony and Pepper in

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those early films. I would like Deadpool and Vanessa, like

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a couple of those people, and I guess it's still

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in the nineties. I would put Keaton in Fighters, so

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like as we went along or like now we just

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got reading better, we should yeah, and then like and

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like even like Passing and Kravitz. That's like, okay, I

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feel that, but that's where I feel like they shouldn't

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have been this good early on, But they just are,

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both of them and Kidder. I love just plays lois

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lanecause I think that happens in returns. She plays them

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in just not such a way. Even in the seventies,

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I thought like I could have saw them easy writing

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Lewis Lane as a boring character, that just reporter that

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falls in love with Superman. And she has that character,

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but there's so much more, and it's I think the performance.

475
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,359
She has such a sass and such a wit about her.

476
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,880
But we'll get more in specifics. But yeah, and Reeve,

477
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,160
he is h He's absolutely phenomenal. Man. It's just he's

478
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,279
so charismatic. He I get a lot of and I'm

479
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:01,640
sure maybe he was a fan, but this feels like

480
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,000
a one to one comparison of the Toby Spider Man films.

481
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:07,240
But in like, not to be mean, I feel like

482
00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:10,799
Christopher Reeve is that version, but like a better actor.

483
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,279
Like I just feel like he's so like Tolby just

484
00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,079
someone feels very much like Toty Reeve. Like it feels

485
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,960
like there's a huge performance with both Spider Like when

486
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,640
Toby's Spider Man, that's that's nothing. Yeah, like who are you?

487
00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:24,839
I'm your friendly neighborhood Spider Man and then it's just

488
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,759
like okay. But like with Reeve and with Reeve as

489
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,079
Clark and Superman, there's such a distinction and he can

490
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,440
turn it on so well and he's so charismatic, and

491
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,799
that's why last year this year, Like man, I'm always

492
00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:40,799
and I can't wait because Superman or Super slash Man

493
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,240
the movie, I can't wait to see that documentary. And

494
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:45,240
they're they're putting in the theaters again next week, so

495
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,039
I'm hoping to try and see it. But that's where

496
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:48,880
he's just like it's such a shame he was not

497
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,599
around for like the comic com boom or he didn't

498
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,279
get to do like the Michael Keane thing and like

499
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,519
come back and be Superman because like he did, he did,

500
00:22:57,559 --> 00:22:59,960
he is the og and yeah, with him, this movie bomb.

501
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,319
Nowadays things bomb, then wait a couple of years, reboot it.

502
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,160
If this bombs, I don't know if we get a

503
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,920
bunch of stuff because people would look and go, oh,

504
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,720
superhero movies, that's not a thing. That's not profitable. And

505
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,680
it's him, it's Richard Donner, it's it's Smart Hitter, it

506
00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,759
is Genackman, it's everybody, it's fucking John Williams. Because like

507
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,319
that's what like, I oh, just so, where where where

508
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,799
the fuck is the rock when you need him? You

509
00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:32,640
know here he is the first one and the second

510
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,319
one when that it's just the credits in that score,

511
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,079
I get fucking goosebumps every time, and just because it's

512
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:42,119
like it has such good crescendos. It's loud and powerful,

513
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,960
but it's like very quiet. Even stuff like Loewis and

514
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,960
Clark have like this, Like it's almost similar to Superman

515
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,839
version theme, but it's like a love version of the theme.

516
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:51,480
It's like reminds me like a Han and Lea, which

517
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,480
you know he did that too, but it's just like

518
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,599
I the score here. It's one of those things where

519
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,880
John Williams like I love Hans Zimmer, I love Howard Shole.

520
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,680
There's like, you know, I love God, like uh even

521
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,720
like a newer guy like Bend and Walfish or like

522
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,559
uh oh, I'm trying to pull anybody else right now,

523
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:09,039
but there's.

524
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,559
Speaker 2: So many of the Mando guy gosh yeah.

525
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,759
Speaker 1: Ludwig, Ludwig ye Wig. Like there's there's so many people, right,

526
00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:17,079
there's so many people from this generation the old generation,

527
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,680
where oh they could be the best, but it's like

528
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,319
for how many themes this man made and how iconic

529
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,640
they're like I can never ever put anyone above John Williams,

530
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,759
and same thing. It's like it's the same thing I've

531
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:29,160
said about the movies, like I wouldn't be mad if

532
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,519
they use They won't for Corn Sweats or James Gunn's movie,

533
00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:35,920
they won't use this theme. But for me, it's kind

534
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,279
of like the Bond theme where it's like, you guys

535
00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,599
just kind of like nailed it on the first time.

536
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,480
It's like you can't, like I love the Man of

537
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,279
Steel score there, even though there's a score in Man

538
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,200
of Steel from Hansman, it's like, what are you gonna

539
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,359
do when you're not saving the world? And that's that

540
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,240
classic like the drums and it's going crazy, but still

541
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,519
just like this theme, it's like it's on a different

542
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,319
type of levels, the same thing as Star Wars. Like

543
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,000
the fucking fact that they don't use the Star Wars

544
00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:01,039
theme for all their projects just bewilders me. So Williams

545
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,119
is another thing. And yeah, effects, like I think they

546
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,279
hold up for a fucking movie in nineteen seventy eight.

547
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:08,599
I think they hold pretty well. When he's flying. Of course,

548
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,480
sometimes you can see some you know, and you don't

549
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,480
see like the rope, but you just you see that effect.

550
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,079
But like they make it work, like I don't know,

551
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,880
for the most part, it's good. I think that the

552
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,039
the third act is probably where it falls off for me,

553
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,359
because like, you know, I don't love Lex's plan is

554
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,559
fucking just like real estate. And even like the ending

555
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:28,480
is this kind of anti like it's just like Superman

556
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,160
versus like an earthquake pretty much like it's just I'm

557
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119
happy that to exist, because I feel like this is

558
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,319
way it feels like just an It is an origin movie,

559
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:39,960
but it really kind of feels like a setup movie,

560
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,880
like we're just gonna introduce you the world, and Superman

561
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,799
two is very much more like this is Superman Adventures

562
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,960
and more problems with this is like it takes a while,

563
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,759
Like I kind of forget every time when I watch

564
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,079
Mask Steel, like, oh, we're on Krypton for so long.

565
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,519
We're not on Krypton in this movie as long as

566
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,519
that one, but we're here. We're there for like longer

567
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,960
than I always remember. You know, I'm like, man has this.

568
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,319
I just remember it Marlon Brando like half reading lines,

569
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:05,920
sending a baby off, and that's it. But you know,

570
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,279
that's one thing, and it's something cool where I didn't

571
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:10,039
know back in the day that they were filmed back

572
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,079
to back, So it's cool to have like Zod and

573
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,559
all them in this movie, and then they parlay it.

574
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:16,720
And there's stuff about the second movie, which we'll get

575
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,920
into it. Because I had a lot of issues and

576
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,200
if you won't believe it, that had a certain cut

577
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,880
to it. So DC's had a long issue with having

578
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,920
different cuts and having fans rally behind a certain cut.

579
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,720
But yeah, overall, I enjoy this in a nostalgic way.

580
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,640
I could never put this in like a top ten best,

581
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,920
but if someone had this in their top ten of

582
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,799
favorites or even number one, I could understand that. It's

583
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:41,799
the same way I think for me and Toby Spiderman,

584
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,799
where tons of people now go, that's just such a

585
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,480
cheesy movie. I can't. For me, it's still my top

586
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:48,759
ten because it's just like hit me the right way.

587
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,079
So this movie has that same aesthetic to me, in

588
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,559
same feel and just a fun, cute, heartwarming movie. And yeah,

589
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,240
great performances all around. Like I said, Brando's kind of

590
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,920
phoning it in, but that was a known thing back then.

591
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,720
He didn't really care. So yeah, where do you want

592
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,680
to go? Do you want to talk about Brandow? You

593
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,400
guys like Jeor.

594
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:12,839
Speaker 4: Al jeorl uh I, I feel like I didn't really

595
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,599
know who Marlon Branda was before this, other than The Godfather,

596
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,440
Like I just knew that he was, yeah, attached to

597
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,240
the god I've never seen The Godfather, so like I

598
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,160
haven't seen his performance.

599
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,079
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah.

600
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: That's one I'll have to cross off.

601
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,519
Speaker 1: How you know that's Taylor? You haven't seen that either,

602
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,720
I'm guessing Nope. Godfather one and two is often debated about.

603
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,680
Those are the like which is the greatest movie of

604
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,039
all time?

605
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: And you guys, it's funny because I feel like every

606
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,640
time that I'm like thinking about watching one of those,

607
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,400
it's for some reason around when I have like a

608
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,519
lot of time off, like let's say, like a Christmas

609
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:46,200
holiday or something or vacation, and I'm just like I

610
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,559
want to jump into like a big film right now.

611
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,240
And last Christmas I did Departed, so that was a

612
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,039
nice one, and then maybe this Christmas I'll throw on

613
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:55,599
The Godfather.

614
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: But it's uh, well, maybe maybe you can do it

615
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,720
after Penguin And because you might be in a mob

616
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,240
mood still be like I need some mob stuff, you

617
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,559
know that? And have you seen You've seen good Fellows before?

618
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:04,799
Speaker 3: Right?

619
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: Oh?

620
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? But was it? Were you just saying you rewatched it.

621
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: No, I want to because that's one episode gave me.

622
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you brought that up, I'm like, yeah,

623
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000
I got to rewatch that. And uh, same with uh

624
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,279
just because we're talking about them and my cousin Vinnie.

625
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,759
I remember watching that like forever ago, but I randomly

626
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,160
saw like a clip from it just pop up my timeline.

627
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,079
I'm like, I gotta jump back into that movie. I

628
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,599
don't really remember lots of it.

629
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: But did you see nails? Movies? Stay? Were just named

630
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,079
off Departed, Good Fellas my cousin.

631
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: Part is one of my favorites. I love that movie Goodfellas.

632
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,200
I've not seen though.

633
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,759
Speaker 1: Okay, just gotta do a Mofiel retro. But uh, yeah,

634
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:45,200
you know he was Christopher. They lots of times wrote

635
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,559
some of the lines on the diaper, the baby's diaper,

636
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,119
because this is near the end of his This is

637
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,880
near the end of Brando's career where he didn't care

638
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,559
too much. There's another movie, I think it's The Island

639
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,960
of Doctor Monroe or whatever it's called. He had like

640
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,559
an ear piece and like they gave him the lines

641
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,880
and he would say it. Christopher Reeve complained that he

642
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,440
was just kind of Phonny in. But the thing is

643
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,440
like he was like a huge for them to get.

644
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,680
Marlon Brando is a very important piece of this because

645
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680
that gave him the cachet. Like fuck, he was like

646
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:17,279
top billion of this movie, you know, like when you

647
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,559
want it's it's crazy.

648
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,039
Speaker 2: That was surprising.

649
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,759
Speaker 1: And Reeve's third it goes Brando, Hackman and then Reeve,

650
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,799
and Reeve comes after the Superman credit. It goes those

651
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,480
two Superman and then Reeve, and you're like, that's crazy.

652
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,720
But it was legitim like Marlon Brando getting them getting

653
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,599
him kind of like like like in a mafia sense.

654
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,519
He made them a made man. It gave them some authenticity, like,

655
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,559
oh well, Brando's in this, it can't be just schlock,

656
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:46,720
you know. So even though like I think his jo

657
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,039
I was just kind of like he it just seems

658
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,279
like a vice principal reading lines off a teleprompter. For

659
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,039
them to get him, it was a big deal.

660
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,319
Speaker 2: I feel like joere L has never been like a

661
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,759
character I've like really liked, like like even Crow, even Crow. Yeah,

662
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,559
I don't know, I really just don't like that section

663
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,480
of the movie for Man of Steel, but just just

664
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,119
joor L in general, Like I feel like Marlon Brando,

665
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,319
he's got enough even if he is phoning them in,

666
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,559
Like he's just got enough like charisma to him to

667
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,440
like maybe maybe it's just how he looks. I'm just like,

668
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960
man that that guy is a is a good actor

669
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,680
when I see him on screen there, So to just

670
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,799
have this like handsome man be the be the father

671
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,079
of of kala El, like, I'm okay with it. I

672
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,559
didn't really know, like I was saying, like Marlon Brando

673
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:35,039
was so I didn't recognize him right away, but just

674
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,279
just with the way that he was delivering the lines,

675
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,640
not necessarily in a negative sense, just like the way

676
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,119
that he spoke, I'm like, Okay, this must be Marlon Brando.

677
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,039
And then I googled it and it just blew my

678
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,680
mind that he was the first name on the on

679
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,960
the billion there. But yeah, I don't know, it's nothing

680
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:52,519
much to write home about other than what you said it.

681
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:57,480
Maybe that get of getting Marlon Brando is what got

682
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:59,799
them into the fair and in the in the first place, right,

683
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:00,599
who knows.

684
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he got paid I'll get to in trivia.

685
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,400
He got paid for a ridiculous amount for like what

686
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:08,079
he did here, he got lots of money. He had

687
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:09,920
money on the back end points too, if this was

688
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,759
the biggest movie of seventy eight, so like he got

689
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:16,400
a good his agent, lawyers, everybody. They were smart to

690
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,559
do that. But yeah, it's a classic tale. They send

691
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,960
them off and even like the way like Crypton or

692
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,920
as Marlon Branda says in this movie, Krypton looks even

693
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
like the Fortresses of Solitude, like for me, like being

694
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,920
a forty seven year old movie, like if it all

695
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,000
looks good to me, you know, because I think it's

696
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,599
like they you know, it sounds cheesy, but like they

697
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,799
know their limit and stay within it. I think even

698
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,160
with our day and age, or sometimes you just go

699
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680
too far or they don't give people enough time and

700
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,759
that's why you're pushing it too far. And I think

701
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:49,680
in seventy eight they did exactly the right amount of

702
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,960
what they could do because most of this is practical sets,

703
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,079
but it's lit a certain way in a shaw certain

704
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:57,680
way where it feels sci fi or different. And so

705
00:31:57,759 --> 00:31:59,400
I like the looks of all them, like even the

706
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,039
ship that Calark crashes, and they don't like show it off.

707
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,119
It's just like some big hunk of metal that's in

708
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,119
the ground, and then you got a fucking just naked

709
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,440
five year old just like excited to be there, you know.

710
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I, like I was saying earlier, I really

711
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,599
try to like picture myself in the movie theater in

712
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,799
nineteen seventy eight, like just trying to experience this other

713
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
sci fi adventure for the first time. And I really

714
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,039
like the opening actually how it like shows the sun

715
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,519
and then it just gets like closer and closer. It's

716
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,759
like an ice planet. It's just like, what the hell

717
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,480
happened there? But also, okay, this is an alien world

718
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,960
very clearly, and then we get to see Krypton, and

719
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,160
obviously once we get to Man of Steel, we have

720
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,599
a big budget to spend on this big alien world.

721
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,599
We can go crazy on the details. But to just

722
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,279
have like kind of a frozen waste with this like

723
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,119
interesting sculpture looking bait, like I don't know if that's

724
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,880
a building or if that's just like a country where

725
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,839
they're staying it like like it just I don't know,

726
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,079
like like it it is odd enough to make it alien,

727
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,079
and I think once you get inside you see everyone's

728
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,920
attire and just how it's like it's like you're gonna

729
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,359
laser tag, you know spot right where it's all like

730
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,880
the black lights on, like everyone's glowing. Yeah, and and

731
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,480
and you just got like an like a different aesthetic.

732
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:15,599
You have the the Cage whatever the hell it's called,

733
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:17,680
that has like Zod and Crew in like it just

734
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,480
feels alien once you get in there, even though like

735
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,480
you said, like it is just all practical effects, maybe

736
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,279
different lighting here and there, but they do a really

737
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,759
good job at making it feel like it's not on Earth.

738
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,720
So and then transitioning to what you mentioned about the

739
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,039
Fortress of Solitude, I remember as a kid just loving

740
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:38,000
the aesthetic of the Fortress to Solitude like it's it's

741
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,480
I was gonna say, like simple, like like it's not

742
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,480
as crazy like detail like it is just icicles, but

743
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,000
because it is just purely crystals, like like it just

744
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,359
it feels like something no man could make. And I

745
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,160
I like the idea of it just being like way

746
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,720
the fuck in the north, somewhere that is like completely

747
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,160
away from Atropolis that you know, realistically only Superman can

748
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,440
kind of get to. So yeah, I just I love

749
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,160
the imagery of it. It's stuck with me, like since

750
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,839
I was a kid to the point that when we

751
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,440
got to Returns or whatever the more, Yeah, that would

752
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,719
have been the first modern one, right return.

753
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and six. I can't break him between

754
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
the Yeah, that was the trying to get it going

755
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,199
again a year after Batman begins funny enough.

756
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, so just getting like fortunately, like I just

757
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,559
like instantly seen that as like nostalgia trip of like Man, Like,

758
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,280
I like it. It's nice that they throughout the evolutions

759
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,760
of Superman, even up to Henry Cavill, like, they haven't

760
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,079
deviated from that design. Like it probably is a comic

761
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:37,639
book accurate thing, but it's also just.

762
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: Like it's just didn't really have it though.

763
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,559
Speaker 3: Right, He's the spaceship with the little like oh.

764
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: Right, they do. He finds it because they're in the

765
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,960
ice they're in, Yes.

766
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 1: That's how they they find it in like an icy structure. Okay,

767
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,320
but like it is just the ship. But I guarantee

768
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,760
you it'll be gun back for guns. He's gonna be

769
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,880
They've already they already were shooting where it was like

770
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,079
snowy and stuff, So I guarantee it'll be very comic

771
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,360
book and stuff, which which is good. You know, it's

772
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,800
it's neat, it's it doesn't make much sense, like for

773
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,719
Superman just have like this ice based on Earth maybe

774
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,480
not like it is kind of like a weird comic

775
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,960
bookie thing. But I guess he needs the stores stuff somewhere,

776
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,400
you know, Like, so what were you tay, what'd you

777
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,920
think about you know, jor L Crypton opening in the movie,

778
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,559
all that stuff.

779
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't have much of a history

780
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:31,480
with again, the actor Brando who is playing Jeorl, but

781
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,519
as far as Jarrel goes, I do a little history

782
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:36,519
with him because I love the Crow version. I thought

783
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:39,760
he was super super cool and I'll never forget just

784
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,239
being in the theaters a Man of Steel and you

785
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,079
just got like the opening war on Crypton and just

786
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,840
the just fuck that was sweet. That was super sweet.

787
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,679
So that's my pre existing knowledge going into this. I

788
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,159
was like, Okay, we're gonna get a war on Crypto.

789
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,920
But no, it's just the council looking at Jeorl saying,

790
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,559
you know, you need to behave and Georl's like, I

791
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,199
promise I will not leave Crypton and then the planet

792
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,280
explodes thirty seconds later. It's like, what the fuck this is?

793
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,119
Speaker 2: He didn't he did not leave.

794
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,079
Speaker 3: No, So trying to understand a little bit of the

795
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,800
backstory there was a little convoluted because it just seems like,

796
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,760
I don't know, it's just it always kind of eludes

797
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,519
me why this advanced humanoid race would just choose to

798
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,039
let their son blow up and just kill them off.

799
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: Only such denial too, like like like no one other

800
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840
than is like Paneck draw out. Yeah.

801
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,159
Speaker 1: Fuck, I think it's just supposed to be like a

802
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,599
commentary on like even back then but like our world too, right,

803
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,760
you might not see something coming. All the signs might

804
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,599
be there, but if enough people don't get on board,

805
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,559
you're kind of kind of screwed, right.

806
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: So like up the more modern versions.

807
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,639
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, yeah, so well yeah, I think once

808
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,599
we get through that and you kind of see him

809
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,639
return as like a hologram, I like all that stuff.

810
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,400
I think it was. It was pretty cool how he's

811
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,039
got a technically like an AI like a limited amount

812
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,960
of I guess responses, but it doesn't seem like it.

813
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,280
And as we see with obviously the mom and the

814
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,639
second one just they're pretty much like his parents are

815
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:17,519
pretty much there. Like it's pretty impressive. But the whole

816
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,199
thing was based on an assumption that he would be

817
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,599
drawn to this one crystal right, And because I mean

818
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,239
if he never what if his parents adopted parents, threw

819
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,519
the crystal out or just got rid of all that shit?

820
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,039
Speaker 1: Well you got you really got. No, you just gotta hope, right,

821
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,719
because when you're you're about to blow up and you're

822
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,760
sending your son off, you can't really do much right,

823
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,079
Like what what? What's the alternative? You know?

824
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: Well, there really isn't any. Although when he's traveling, was

825
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,920
there something that was following his pod at one point

826
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,920
when he was going to Earth? Because I have a

827
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,039
vague recollection of a scene where I thought he was

828
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,559
moving and something was like shooting at his pod or something.

829
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,599
Speaker 1: Hmm, I can't remember that. I'm not sure. Was it

830
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,199
this them trying to insinuate about the phantom zone because

831
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,639
they're fucking whipping round space the whole time in the

832
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,639
first and second one.

833
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: For I'm gonna see if I can quickly find it,

834
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,079
because I swear something was like shooting at him. I thought, oh,

835
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,960
that's kind of cool, that's like world building ish.

836
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: Let me see.

837
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,159
Speaker 3: Someone else take it away.

838
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: Though, while it's interesting in just that you mentioned the

839
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:21,679
Phantom Zone and Zod and crew. That was a big actually,

840
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
like I feel like switch around that. I was totally

841
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,400
expecting them to come back in this movie like that.

842
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,039
That's why when we get to the end, I remember,

843
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,480
I remember the scene so vividly of Lois going into

844
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:34,599
like the crack in the ground, him him finding her,

845
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,480
getting all mad, and then zooming back. But I totally

846
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,159
thought that was the second film because I'm like, no,

847
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,519
just like Zod has to be in this one, this

848
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,840
is gonna be when he gives up his powers. But no,

849
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,280
that's that's in the next film. So I was totally

850
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,159
surprised about that. And I mean, in hindsight it makes

851
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,679
sense now knowing that they filmed back to back for that,

852
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,559
but you know, just me watching just the first one,

853
00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:59,719
it's like, man, what a bold move to introduce these characters.

854
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:00,639
Speaker 3: It was cool.

855
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, back then, like we were like, we're not in

856
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,920
like a post Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings world.

857
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,880
It's like that's bolth for them, like in seventy eight

858
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,079
Unproven Property and comic books. It's like, Okay, we're gonna

859
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,400
make two back to back. Here we go.

860
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: And the second one didn't release for like four years,

861
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,320
four years.

862
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,639
Speaker 1: First like, oh, it can't be four.

863
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,519
Speaker 2: You me wrong? Hopefully, Well, I felt like it's it's

864
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,639
much later than I would have expected for a Back

865
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,159
to Bed nineteen eighty So two years, okay, two years.

866
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,159
Speaker 1: Then it was supposed to be one year, but they

867
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,880
because of the issues, they had major production stanks and

868
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,480
they had to do a lot of reshoots. So that

869
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,920
was the plan to have it just a year after.

870
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,079
But uh, that's life.

871
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you find there? Three L five's there? Tar Field?

872
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm curious if it's like an asteroid shower.

873
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,119
Speaker 1: Asleep, someone's shooting at him, just wakes up. So what

874
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,079
do you guys think about? So then we yeah, they

875
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,719
crash earth, we meet Mom and Pod can can't we're

876
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,559
with them for a little bit again, same thing when

877
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,519
I watched this movie, I always forget, like Man, it

878
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,920
takes a while before he becomes Superman. Now, not that

879
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:12,960
that's like any different because like a Man of Steel,

880
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,719
I feel like it takes a while before him comes Superman.

881
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,239
But there's just something about like I don't know why

882
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,840
they compared to like I guess not eighty nine because

883
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Batman eight nine Keen's like they're right away, but just

884
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,480
even some of the other origin stories just feels like, oh,

885
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:26,639
this takes well, but we get young Clark. Which I

886
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,880
learned in the trivia I have, is that Chris p

887
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,920
Reeve actually recorded his voice and they just changed a

888
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,440
little bit, so that actor's playing young Clark gets no

889
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,519
dialogue in that movie. That's just chrispher Reeve's voice, like

890
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,519
changed it a little bit.

891
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:41,679
Speaker 2: I even go through that process unless this guy sounds

892
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,280
very distinct because I didn't. I couldn't tell it was

893
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,039
christ He looks like it was right, he looks like him.

894
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,079
I guess he doesn't look like Christopher, like I guess

895
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:50,679
you do kind of looks like him. But I feel

896
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,480
like they're close enough in age that it's like, why

897
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,599
not just have Christopher Reeve play It's only he's playing

898
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,360
a six year old, right, Like this guy the actor's

899
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,760
probably twenty, Like I doubt he's like an eighteen year

900
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,800
old or something, but he's.

901
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: Supposed to be playing like for like fourteen to fifteen.

902
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,880
I think, right for fourteen to sixteen.

903
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,079
Speaker 2: The actor, I'd say at least high school, because like

904
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,440
they're driving right his cold code.

905
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,119
Speaker 1: I think Christop Reeve is supposed to be playing like

906
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:17,119
a man in his thirties, so I think they're supposed

907
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:18,960
to be like a fifteen year difference. I think that's

908
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,679
why they thought maybe it's funny. Half, especially Christopher Reef

909
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,440
was like a tall motherfucker. He would have been towering

910
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,320
over these kids like hey, hey Clark and then.

911
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,119
Speaker 2: Like watch my gear as he's looking up at him,

912
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:31,599
like yeah.

913
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,559
Speaker 1: But again, like we like Terry alluded, it's funny because

914
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,199
it's like the way you watch them and it's just

915
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,760
a Superman's store, but they hit on si more beats

916
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,719
right where there's an asshole pick on a Clark Clark

917
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,119
or like showing a peeces of mind. You know, I'm

918
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:48,079
showing my hand. But like I do prefer his dad

919
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:51,480
passed they via the heart attack versus the tornado. I'm

920
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,800
not saying it always has to be a heart attack.

921
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,440
I get the point here. It's a great idea, right

922
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,440
of he can do all these things, but he can't

923
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,920
say him from a heart attack. I'm not saying that

924
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,039
be in every movie, but as many times not a

925
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:06,519
fan of the tornado death, so I like this, Yeah, no,

926
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:07,320
don't do it.

927
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:12,679
Speaker 3: Say again has a heart attack. Don't do it so

928
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,280
but no, I like.

929
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: All this stuff here where we get with young Clark,

930
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,119
I feel I get to see the formative years of

931
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,639
what he's gonna do. I don't think it's as deep

932
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,679
as Man as Steel, because like Ken Costers in that

933
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,679
movie a lot, or Paul King, he's in a few

934
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,440
seas Like I feel like he gives like some great

935
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,280
information to Clark, and that's the only nugget you're gonna

936
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,199
get out of him, because then right away like, oh no,

937
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:34,880
when he falls to the ground.

938
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was I couldn't really remember how he died, actually,

939
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,199
and it was very abrupt and quick and just the

940
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,639
overall kind of youth I guess of Clark here. Yeah,

941
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,360
I remember really liking mom Pa Kent, but like they're

942
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,039
really not in it that much. Like I guess it

943
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:57,679
does take some time for him to get to the Superman, uh,

944
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:02,039
I guess just becoming Christopher Reeve really with Superman. But

945
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,679
it feels like it took a while to get there.

946
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:06,760
But then when we get there, it's just like, oh,

947
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,039
now he's just he's just in the city. Now he's Superman.

948
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,360
He's chrisph Reef and he's working in the Metro. Yeah,

949
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,280
like he's doing everything. So it was kind of funny

950
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,280
how that secrets went in my mind. And I feel

951
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,159
like this is maybe where you get a lot of

952
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:23,280
the cheese when it's like his early of the powers

953
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,639
and when he's running next to the train, like you know,

954
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,880
it's it's it's good. I like how they're using the technology,

955
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,599
but it's just to watch it here and people's like

956
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,119
reaction on the train. It's just it's funny how like

957
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Clark goes from being just so like upset that he's

958
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,679
missing out with like hanging out with these girls and

959
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,440
like dealing with like sweaty gym strip essentially, and then

960
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,519
like the next scene he's just like smiling, having the

961
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,519
best time of his life running home. So I got

962
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,400
a kick out of that. But yeah, I did like that. Yeah,

963
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,119
it took some time to get a Superman, but I

964
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:59,440
still feel like we didn't spend unnecessarily amount of time

965
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,320
like in that high school era, right of like dealing

966
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,800
with the bully a lot, or like just other like

967
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,159
drama in his personal life. Like I like how we

968
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,119
just had like a couple of skips throughout his youth

969
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,760
and then we get to the scene and although Mom

970
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,480
pap Kin aren't in it much, I still did really

971
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,679
like the conversation that Papa Kent gave to little Kent,

972
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,639
you know, before the heart explosion that he got. And yeah,

973
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,280
it was it was something along the lines like he's

974
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,880
upset that he can't be scoring touchdowns and it's just

975
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:35,199
like it's like, man, like, keep your eye on the

976
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,840
bigger picture. And I don't know. It was just like

977
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,559
a quick little back and forth that they had there,

978
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,800
but it was It's not a conversation that we haven't

979
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,519
seen already, like in superhero movies, but and specifically Superman movies,

980
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,519
thinking back to you know, Henry and Crow and not

981
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:54,440
wanting to get saved by Tornado, but it still.

982
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,599
Speaker 1: Fucking destroys a trucker's at truckers truck just outside a pub.

983
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: You know, you're not gonna be going touchdowns, You'll be

984
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,639
destroying truckers trucks. That's more important thing.

985
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: No one can defend that to me. I was gonna

986
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,840
ask you before because a Tales Speak moment, I'm gonna

987
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,960
ask him some question because that's the big debate.

988
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:11,119
Speaker 2: Right.

989
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: We got mad of Steel and that was the complete

990
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,360
other way. What is like the level of cheese or

991
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,760
like friendliness, like because the idea is people taught, like

992
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,239
lots of people want to while Christopher Reeve is that

993
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:23,679
that's what I envisioned a superman, and I kind of

994
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,239
want that version. But then of course many people I

995
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,119
think we've totally four where it's like I don't know

996
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,239
if you can do this exact version nowadays because this

997
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,199
works is something from seventy eight, but if this will

998
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,039
come in twenty twenty five, it could be considered cheesy.

999
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,920
He's like, what do you like? Is are you fine

1000
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,239
if it is more this route? Like even when he's

1001
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,440
Clark Kent, like do you want Clark Kent saving like

1002
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,880
daring course, but like saving trees running against trains? Like

1003
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,119
what do you want? What do you want from this

1004
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,239
saving trees? Which are saving cats from trees saving?

1005
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: I want the saving the tree version. Actually we're gonna

1006
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,559
stop pollution. He's like teaming up with Leo or there's

1007
00:45:58,599 --> 00:45:59,039
just a big.

1008
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,599
Speaker 1: Fire and he's like, you know ice breath boom.

1009
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,199
Speaker 2: Sounded like hot breath that you just gave it to

1010
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,559
the mic. There Clark, You're riding to the fire.

1011
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, early when he's still working on his powers and

1012
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,760
Superman like like Superman burns city down.

1013
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like for for David, it's interesting because I

1014
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,480
feel like all the different versions of Superman that I've

1015
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:28,480
seen now, which would have been three, is that right,

1016
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:29,840
not including Anna.

1017
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:34,039
Speaker 1: Reeve, Ralph and uh yeah and in the TV you

1018
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,039
A'm seeing the TV one, so yeah, that would be Henry.

1019
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,599
Speaker 2: So like in my mind, they still feel like they're

1020
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:41,000
kind of playing the characters similarly even though it's a

1021
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,280
different era. Maybe that's just sticking true to the source Matinal,

1022
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,239
or maybe that's just them wanting to copy some Christopher

1023
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,840
Reeve action because he portrayed the first live version of it.

1024
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Connery thing, right, Like, no matter what,

1025
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:57,280
everyone's always gonna look at Conray and like okay, yeah,

1026
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,320
what version can I do that? Yeah?

1027
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, So, which is funny.

1028
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,199
Speaker 1: I don't think that people do that with Keaton, which

1029
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,440
is funny enough, right, Like I feel like the Batman's

1030
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,400
we get, like I don't think Pattison is like, yeah,

1031
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,760
I don't see much, Okay. I always make my joke

1032
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,679
that Keaton's Bruce Wayne is a fucking weirdo. But Passon's Bruce.

1033
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,119
Wayne's a really different where we're like he didn't even

1034
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:20,559
too right, Yeah, and Bail and Batflick, I wouldn't say black,

1035
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,840
So it's kind of funny that, like I don't know why,

1036
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,400
But like with Batman, yeah, really that's that's like another

1037
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,079
bread and butter conversation of why is that one? Those

1038
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,480
versions all feel very Man still feels different, but I

1039
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,119
feel like that's more different because of like Zach and

1040
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,480
his choice is not so much like Henry Cavi, such

1041
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,320
a radical actor. I think it's Zach just wanted to

1042
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,360
do like more you know, three hundred Watchman style, slower,

1043
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,719
a bit more darker and stuff, right, a bit more realistic.

1044
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, so like thinking about David, I would expect

1045
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,199
something pretty similar along those lines. I mean, if he's

1046
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,840
getting closer to Christopher Reeve version, I don't think that's

1047
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,159
a bad thing at all, and obviously just a more

1048
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,800
modern take on getting maybe friend zoned by Lois or

1049
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,440
just just having like the nerdy side. I think the

1050
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,039
biggest thing that I would be expecting is a clear

1051
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:16,559
distinction between Superman, you know, Cala and Clark Kent, which

1052
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,960
is what we've already talked about with Christopher even so, yeah,

1053
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,360
I think my expectations are along there, and that's kind

1054
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,000
of what I'm hoping for and expecting at.

1055
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: Least to do anything about that. And also they begin

1056
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:30,559
the film with Clark.

1057
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, him him growing up from being a baby

1058
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,239
to being like a full on little toddler just walking,

1059
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,719
never walking before, but he walked like a champion out

1060
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,239
of that pod.

1061
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: He learned a lot on that pod.

1062
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,599
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot about a built things in

1063
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:47,079
that pot.

1064
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,079
Speaker 2: It just makes me wonder that his dad loaded up

1065
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,159
for him and that that pod.

1066
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 3: It makes me wonder like when he was traveling to Earth,

1067
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,800
like his dad saying like, oh, we've been cumulated, like emulated,

1068
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,199
accumulated That was the wrong word, accumulated.

1069
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: Say that again, come believe, Can you please accumulate my

1070
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:12,679
son to Earth?

1071
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: They have a choir that was like a mix of

1072
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,000
acquired and accumulated together in there.

1073
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, gals, just like I don't know, fuck

1074
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,920
her one last time before this planet blows up.

1075
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 3: Basically, the knowledge of several different galaxies and civilizations were

1076
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,960
all thrown into this pod. And is it just left

1077
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,719
to the wayside underneath this farmer's barn.

1078
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, what else? But I feel like you keep

1079
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,719
throwing these accusations at Durell, like with the what was

1080
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000
he supposed to do? Give me a better pitch, you know,

1081
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,239
if you have the chance to send the team.

1082
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:02,199
Speaker 3: At least put a note in there, s like, hey, there's.

1083
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:03,599
Speaker 1: A lot incumulated sun.

1084
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: There's a lot of fucking knowledge here, and you know,

1085
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:11,400
maybe you know, present it to your world leaders or

1086
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,079
something like that.

1087
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's dangerous, right it is, because they

1088
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,559
could just fucking they They could assassinate Clark on the.

1089
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:19,599
Speaker 3: Spot, comulate Clark.

1090
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: They could complate you have to accumulated and have in America.

1091
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:25,559
But even then, like, I don't know what there is.

1092
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:29,360
But like at least with Kevin Costner, Man of Steele,

1093
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,840
you see tons of scenes and you see them on

1094
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,039
the fire and you can kind of go, oh, this

1095
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:35,239
is why he'd pick up on this. With this, you

1096
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,559
just have Paul Kent being like, well, you're meant for

1097
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,119
lake more and a greater purpose, so maybe you can

1098
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:42,199
pick up that there is something for a human to

1099
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,039
read in there. But yeah, I don't think there's because

1100
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,920
it's kind of that interesting note then right where it's

1101
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,360
like Superman or Clark or Kalel on his planet would

1102
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,519
just be like I assume a regular person to that planet, right,

1103
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,800
but because the sun and everything like that, this different

1104
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,840
solar system can become Superman, right, powerful, ice, bread, all

1105
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,599
this stuff. So it's the same thing like they get

1106
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,159
this pod, but is there any information there that like

1107
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,639
can benefit Earth. Really I'm sure Lex Luthor could find something,

1108
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:13,199
but really it's like I feel like it's like kind

1109
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,920
of outdated tech or like tech that's like in the

1110
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:20,119
wrong language, where Okay, it's very powerful, but if it

1111
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,719
doesn't work with anything on Earth, Like, what's it gonna be.

1112
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,440
It's like a fucking iPhone. It's like you don't have

1113
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:27,480
that iPhone charger, You're fucked, you know, like you like

1114
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,480
it doesn't play well with others. That's how I take

1115
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,519
the Krypton tech. It's like it's like iPhone Apple stuff

1116
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,519
where they they could only work with each other. They

1117
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,679
can't like fire this stuff up and be like, oh,

1118
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,320
we've powered New York for fifty years of clean energy

1119
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,480
things to baby Clark Kent and he's there, he's standing up,

1120
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:47,000
you know, excited. But yeah, and then we go to

1121
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,880
the Daily Bugle. Nope, we go Daily Planet. There's a

1122
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:53,400
ferdy and slip right there. But yeah, and then we

1123
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:55,400
meet Lois. Yeah, what do you guys think about Lois?

1124
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:57,800
Whoever want's go first? I kind of talked about it

1125
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,360
in the open Love It Love Market. Margaret Kidder, I

1126
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,920
think she does a great job, just especially in two.

1127
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:05,199
I I'm even more a fan of her and two

1128
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,880
because she's just even a harder edge on Clark. But

1129
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:11,000
uh yeah, they have great, great chemistry, and she's also

1130
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:13,239
kind of like the standard bear for Lois in my

1131
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:13,760
mind too.

1132
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she is absolutely fantastic. She really reminds

1133
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,239
me of Karen Allen, who plays Mirian from Indiana Jones.

1134
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1135
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's a great positive comparison because I

1136
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,320
loved her in Indiana Jones throughout pretty much all the

1137
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,239
films like or all the films that she's a part of.

1138
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,719
At least she just has great charisma, but more importantly,

1139
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,719
like great chemistry with Harrison Ford in those films. And

1140
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,519
then jumping over to uh, Mark, what were you saying, Mark,

1141
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:50,239
Margo is Margaret or Margaret it's spelled the same way Margot.

1142
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,280
Robbie spells her name, so I'm assuming it's Margo or Margott.

1143
00:52:54,559 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: Margaret, I guess. I guess it's Margot, miss Kidder Miskidder.

1144
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think she's really great. Of course, how

1145
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,000
Christopher Reeve was my first Superman, this was my first

1146
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:13,000
lowesst Lane, so she was like the standard of it.

1147
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: I whoa, she's Canadian too, born in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories.

1148
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: Ken explains why we see a Canada flag in the

1149
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,280
next film.

1150
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: This might be screwed me up. So she was born

1151
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:28,840
Margaret Kidder, but then Margot, So that's why I wonder

1152
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,159
if she I'd have to find an interview. But I

1153
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:33,039
think that's what screwing me up. And she was born

1154
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,519
Margaret Kidder, but then it's Margo Kidder or however you

1155
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,239
know that spelling, so there you go.

1156
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: Just Kidder, so both both right? Yeah, sure, No, I

1157
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,159
think she's great. I liked how you mentioned earlier, like

1158
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,440
it would have been really easy to make, especially in

1159
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,480
the seventies, like just a really stupid, like female camera

1160
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,639
part to Superman and Clark Kent. But they really make

1161
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,519
her like a good firecracker and like the best reporter

1162
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:03,119
around and yeah, I just I don't know I really

1163
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:06,360
like her in this movie, but I think that, yeah,

1164
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,800
I think I might like her a little bit more.

1165
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,320
And this is going like you were kind of alluding

1166
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,840
to you there, just just kind of how how you

1167
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,400
mentioned like how she plays off Clark Ord.

1168
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: And again for an example, it's not like to bring

1169
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,880
her down and raise another one. It's just like, and

1170
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,599
I still think she's good enough in the movie, but

1171
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,159
like for me, it is like kim basing her a

1172
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:25,480
Bamine nine where she's there, she's a lot of interest,

1173
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:27,320
but she says there like be a part of the

1174
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,639
plot for Joker to kidnap and she just loves Bruce Wayne.

1175
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,960
Why because she just loves Bruce Wayne or like whatever.

1176
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:34,960
A couple of dates and she's all spinning over him, right,

1177
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,320
And I feel like that happens a lot where I

1178
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,360
don't think that's the case here. And even then, like

1179
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,480
we don't we don't explore lots of the like we

1180
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,639
meet them two meeting together, and she just looks at

1181
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,320
him as kind of like a lovable buffoon, right, She's

1182
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:51,119
she's not necessarily mean to him. She does pick on him,

1183
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:52,519
but not in a way where it's like, oh, she

1184
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:56,199
absolutely hates Clark but loves Superman. She's friendly with Clark,

1185
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,719
but that's about it. We're Superman. She's just like in awe, right,

1186
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,519
could understand if you're in this, Like even in today's

1187
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:04,000
day and age, if there's this man I can fly

1188
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:05,679
around this and that, you know how many people be

1189
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,039
trying to you know, get up up on him, talk

1190
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:09,840
to him, talk to him whatever you want to talk

1191
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,159
about what's going on nowadays, it's like they would be

1192
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,880
one some of that Superman. So literally let him to

1193
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:18,519
like land down and kind of be interested, and that

1194
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:22,000
whole scene. I love this scene when she interviews him,

1195
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,920
and just even stuff like I was expecting Sidney Ah,

1196
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,559
just like oh what color is my underwear? It's just

1197
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:28,840
like I feel like when I saw this movie before

1198
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,559
a couple of years ago, it felt like, oh, this

1199
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:32,880
movie's too prim proper would never have anything like that.

1200
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,679
But they have some great flirting thiss and just back

1201
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,199
and forth and everything. So no, it's some great scenes.

1202
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,599
I agree to you. The like the flying scenes like

1203
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:44,159
a little a little cheesy. It's a little like like

1204
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,159
maybe maybe just have her say one thought, bubble, But

1205
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,039
how she just keeps going on and on. It's like,

1206
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,360
all right, we kind of get what's going on here.

1207
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:53,159
Speaker 3: So how do you guys feel about him just outright

1208
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:57,079
telling his weaknesses. I can't see through lead. I feel

1209
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,719
like that's no, no, yeah.

1210
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like I guess he's just like he's a

1211
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:05,039
good guy. I mean, I don't think he thinks there's

1212
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,639
gonna be a Kryptonite or anything like that. So like,

1213
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,079
I think he's a little too overconfident there.

1214
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,159
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny too, because I feel like there's

1215
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,639
a certain innocence to this movie being like the first

1216
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:17,639
superhero movie that especially now that we've gotten you know,

1217
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,719
a million and two super hero movies since since this

1218
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,880
one's come out, Like just certain things like how the

1219
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,480
government would probably want to control a character like this,

1220
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,719
Like like this isn't even really thought of in this

1221
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,039
film at all. It's just, oh, Superman's gonna deal with it,

1222
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:36,079
and that's that. Whereas like until we get later on

1223
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:39,719
in just the chronological timeline of what superhero films and

1224
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,079
and just media is like, it's it's okay to I

1225
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,039
guess not really think about those questions.

1226
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I feel like this movie, right that

1227
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:49,880
is Man still in BVS, it's very government coded about

1228
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,239
what do we do with this and what do you

1229
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,920
do with Batman? And there's a guy that operates outside

1230
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,559
and shad to be a weapon like that. It doesn't

1231
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,880
reverse when we get.

1232
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,559
Speaker 2: To yeah exactly. And that's maybe why I'm thinking about

1233
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:03,960
these things when when scenes like this happen where it's

1234
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,000
just like oh, yeah, no, and I can't you know,

1235
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,519
I can't see through lead and just just listing off

1236
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,719
his weaknesses where in the film it doesn't the way

1237
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,360
that it's being shown, it doesn't feel like it's a

1238
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,079
bad idea without like us being on the outside like

1239
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,800
oh no, like we've seen why this can be a

1240
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,440
bad idea. So yeah, it's just kind of funny thinking

1241
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,440
about it in that sense. And I had similar thoughts

1242
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,159
once we get into the next film as well, of

1243
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,519
just just like, man, this is kind of strange how

1244
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,280
this is going out and they're not really asking this question.

1245
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,719
Well you know, that question hasn't been invented yet it

1246
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,360
comes out and.

1247
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:43,039
Speaker 1: That that's not that I'm saying this is like easy,

1248
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,800
but they got that benefit of just like doing those

1249
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,360
very easy Superman stories, So like I said, this is

1250
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,199
not like there's no big action scene for Superman in

1251
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,320
this The ending is okay. Lex Luther puts like a

1252
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,440
necklace on with some kryptonite. He gets out of that

1253
00:57:57,519 --> 00:57:59,159
with Miss tess Maker. We'll talk about her a little

1254
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:01,719
bit later and then and like the world is going

1255
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,280
apart and what does he do? He like pretty much

1256
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,239
goes back in time and fixes everything. But because it

1257
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,960
is the first like, well that's cool stuff, you know.

1258
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: Now imaxes him like saving a couple of people, you know,

1259
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,800
like when the Golden gate Bridge is like going down,

1260
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,679
and like that's kind of that's kind of the max

1261
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,159
for action.

1262
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think could you imagine this was a climate

1263
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,840
like this was the same scene happens in James Wan Superman,

1264
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,519
be like, what the fuck happened here? Like what were

1265
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,320
we doing here? The two hundred million dollars? You know?

1266
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:27,320
So well, what do you think about lowis Lay in

1267
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:27,719
this movie?

1268
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: Oh?

1269
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure at first, but her chemistry as the

1270
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,719
scenes went on with Reeve was just fantastic. I think

1271
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,800
that they just really hit it off. Holy smokes. I'm

1272
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,320
trying to remember the name of her from the Man

1273
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,079
of Steel one because she was in the office. What

1274
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,280
is her name, Amy Adams, that's the one.

1275
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you go to the office. So

1276
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:52,480
she's in, like what season one? She's done so many

1277
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,960
other stuff. She's been on me ross like that lady

1278
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:55,840
from the office.

1279
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,719
Speaker 3: She's bitch. She's gonna be a math Yeah night bitch.

1280
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:04,639
But yeah, I think I again she I guess aside

1281
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:07,800
from returns, but I do not remember what that actress's

1282
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,559
name is. But yeah, okay, okay, I don't know anything else.

1283
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: She was in to worry about it. You'll see when'll

1284
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,679
get there. You'll see it again. She doesn't she's no

1285
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,679
Margot Kader. Not trying to me mean, but she's not.

1286
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,440
She doesn't. She'd had that same spa, you know, so spa.

1287
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amy Adams. I liked her chemistry with with that Clark,

1288
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,119
but it's still nothing compared to the chemistry that these

1289
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,800
two had, Like they're just so good together, and the

1290
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,480
way she treats Clark and how it's very different when

1291
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:41,599
she's in the room with Superman. It's just maybe it's

1292
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:45,199
just the way that they've tackled certain superhero stories these days.

1293
00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:48,679
Because I was waiting for the waiting for the narrative

1294
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,960
to kind of unravel with Okay, she just does she

1295
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:56,239
just liked him because he's Superman, Like, did she ever

1296
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,039
really care about the Clark kind of character? And that's

1297
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,159
where I thought they were going to tackle that, because

1298
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:05,880
when she goes in this wonderful flying softcore date night

1299
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,280
with Superman and then.

1300
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: Kill Clark's softcore, their clothes off and they're like they're

1301
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:14,960
dry humping and everything like that. They're in they're in

1302
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,000
compilation in each other, you know.

1303
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: That's right. So when she lets Clark back in and

1304
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,519
then she's just dazed and confused and not paying attention

1305
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:27,119
to Clark, and I think, Okay, that's where she's she

1306
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:29,480
doesn't care about the Clark character. She cares about the

1307
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,599
Superman character. And that's what I thought they're going to

1308
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:34,320
expand upon. But it just kind of like blurs and

1309
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,000
meshes into one and they kind of toss it to

1310
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:40,079
the side. But all that, all that put away is

1311
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:44,480
she's still fantastic, And I like how she's just super

1312
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:48,840
super gung ho and not just a a damsel in distress.

1313
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,519
She's very much independent in her own character and really

1314
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:56,079
just owns the role. And I think it's it was

1315
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:58,280
really really quite sad when she did die. I was

1316
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,159
not expecting that, and Superman men just like pulled her

1317
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:02,679
out of the ground. It did bother me, like why

1318
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,719
didn't she just get out of the freaking car when

1319
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,039
she saw the crack coming thirty five thousand feet.

1320
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: When you know that happens to me all the time

1321
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:10,599
when they see something.

1322
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: She ran out of gas, it's like, just get out

1323
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:18,039
of there. But when she died, I absolutely thought that

1324
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,599
while they totally killed her off, I did not realize

1325
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,559
it's funny because I'm pretty sure I heard him, like Seinfelder,

1326
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,639
they talk about Superman like reversing time by going fast

1327
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:30,239
and speed of light, but to actually get it here.

1328
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,159
I was not expecting that at all because he was

1329
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,960
just going, going, going, and then he had to go

1330
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:38,519
back the other way to like speed time, like back

1331
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,800
to normal. So it was super awesome and I was

1332
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:42,199
definitely jiving with it.

1333
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: I liked the ending of him just turning back time.

1334
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:48,159
Speaker 3: I liked it. I think it's unfortunate though, because she

1335
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,760
has no recollection or knowledge about what actually happened. Like

1336
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,440
it's nice to see how humble he is, though, because.

1337
01:01:57,199 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: He's not gonna tell her that power beyond.

1338
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:05,519
Speaker 3: Like Shay, you died and I'm first like, you don't

1339
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,000
know this, but first time.

1340
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: She keeps on cumbulating all over the place.

1341
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you owe me?

1342
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it was just it was It's pretty.

1343
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,559
Speaker 3: I'm healthy guilty goes.

1344
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,079
Speaker 1: To Pari white Clark saying some really fucking weird show.

1345
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:22,639
He's saying, I owe him for saying the world to

1346
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,400
the Superman. I'm glad you like it because I fucking

1347
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:28,519
that's something that is like, Okay, first comic movie. I

1348
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:31,679
get it. It's a complic idea. I hate the holes

1349
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:34,920
like going around the world Like it's just like it's

1350
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,079
such a cop of like it just kind of it.

1351
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,239
It almost feels not to the same degree, but it

1352
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,320
feels close enough to like and it was all dream

1353
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,920
like that type of ending, except one person remembers it's

1354
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,719
just like there's no Steakes there. Lois is just back alive,

1355
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,639
everything's fine, and it's just kind of like, why does

1356
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:53,679
he not just do this every time thing goes to

1357
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:54,159
ship then?

1358
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: Right?

1359
01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:57,079
Speaker 1: Like why like because it's not that he says Lowis,

1360
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,199
they show like a bunch of stuff goes backwards. Would

1361
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,920
assume that he's saving more stuff. So it's like anytime

1362
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:06,119
you know, something bad happens, he wants like a do over.

1363
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,159
He should just start.

1364
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 3: Fucking lock Zod back up in the prison.

1365
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:13,599
Speaker 1: Well yeah, the second Zod showed up here, and then

1366
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,679
like well back to the square one. I know Zod's

1367
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:16,199
gonna land here.

1368
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,679
Speaker 2: Just keeps doing that until Krypton's fine.

1369
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,239
Speaker 1: Until he gets back to his dad. Even with the

1370
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,000
heart the heart attack, you know, like there's lots of

1371
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,480
things he could do. So yeah, like I said, it's

1372
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,000
it's fine. It is what it is. It fits in

1373
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,880
this world. But it's just such a Stuerman's already a

1374
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,440
god character. But that's like a that's like a legit

1375
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:38,920
god power of like, oh, by the way, I can fly,

1376
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:41,639
I'm improving the bullets. I have ice breath, heat vision,

1377
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,800
I ca an X ray vision. But I can also

1378
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:47,239
fly around the world so fast. I can time travel

1379
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,119
pretty much, like wow, like I got a huge dick.

1380
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,199
Speaker 3: I think that there's definitely some stuff that needs to

1381
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,079
be like, fine, you're talking about and explained a little

1382
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:00,599
bit more when it comes to that, because when you

1383
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,920
have the let's say the flash. The flashes actually to

1384
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:06,159
me I see him actually traveling back in time. But

1385
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,360
if you, as Superman are just spinning around the earth

1386
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,679
very fast to make the Earth start rotating backwards, that

1387
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:17,400
to me, that does not reverse time. To me, that

1388
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:22,400
swaps like the fields and earthquakes and it literates the earth,

1389
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:27,000
Like the earth would literally just fucking like ties and everything.

1390
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,559
That would be terrible. It would just be mass destruction.

1391
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: Can you like for him to get it precisely back

1392
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,480
to the exact same rotation, like fuck off?

1393
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: Can you imagine to the moment where he thinks of

1394
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,679
a guy and the lands and earth it's just destroyed,

1395
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,400
Like he's like human, the race is now extinct because

1396
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,159
he like wanted to fly backwards and just everything.

1397
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, like the tsunamis everywhere. The ocean is

1398
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,639
not going to sit idly by with the tides like

1399
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,320
it just doesn't work that way.

1400
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,599
Speaker 1: But this is the picture's family and penguin just yeah,

1401
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,199
what happened? I was Superman flew around the world again?

1402
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:10,559
Fuck I thought he was done.

1403
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: With that, or if it like actually worked that he

1404
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,320
like saves time and then spinning it back causes like

1405
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,880
a massive tidal wave. Then Lowess dies by drowning.

1406
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like time machine. No matter how

1407
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,800
many times he goes back, she keeps dying like it

1408
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:23,760
was a rock slide.

1409
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: What's but what's like canon event?

1410
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,719
Speaker 1: Can he what happens if he goes the other way though?

1411
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 2: You know, like up and down?

1412
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1413
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,119
Speaker 1: Like when is he going for? Is he going forward

1414
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:35,760
in time? Now?

1415
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,119
Speaker 3: And then the north pole becomes a south pole and

1416
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:40,119
it's just the whole the whole world just fuck.

1417
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it would just be the same thing

1418
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,679
if he spun the other way, you know, would be

1419
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,239
upside down. Yeah, okay, no, it makes no fucking sense.

1420
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,440
I'm right there with you. I I don't like it.

1421
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:56,119
I I'm okay with it, like it being the first

1422
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,960
Like I'm glad Henry Cavell's not doing this or what's

1423
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,360
the other chain rouse?

1424
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: What's his first name? Brandon?

1425
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like I'm glad that it kind of died

1426
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,360
in this movie because it does it does bring up

1427
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,079
so many other questions like why doesn't he use this

1428
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:16,079
every single time? Or just there's no consequence to even

1429
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:19,000
doing this, like like we're talking about like I feel

1430
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,559
like it would destroy the whole fucking atmosphere. Of Earth

1431
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:24,280
and the moon would be confused like it like it

1432
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,840
would just be it be hell hell, And I askt it.

1433
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: Feels so weird, like it's not like set up at all.

1434
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,119
They don't talk about that. It's not the exact same

1435
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:34,079
one to one. But I always say, I wish when

1436
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:37,079
the first Captain America came out, I was in the

1437
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:40,360
theater besides someone that didn't know Captain America. And that's

1438
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,760
gonna be Avengers because if you think about that movie, right,

1439
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:45,000
you're watching World War two movie where they're like a

1440
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:47,119
super soldier and it ends and then all of a

1441
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,840
sudden he wakes up in twenty twenty twelve and you're like,

1442
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:52,000
what the fuck is this movie? Like why is he

1443
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:55,280
like in present day? But that has more set up?

1444
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,719
That's what this is like, Like imagine like just anybody

1445
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,159
like I don't know, like imagine if Sam will and

1446
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,599
then fucking thought like Cataka brand New World, like throw

1447
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:05,400
out those wings. They went around the world and then

1448
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,719
he just turned time. It's just like like it's it's

1449
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,679
such a I would love to be in the room

1450
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:14,320
of like who had that idea? Who pitched it? Like

1451
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,000
and I'm sure, like I said, seventy eight, sure that

1452
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,119
that was a great idea, and I've worked for back then, right,

1453
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:20,119
I'm sure most people just accepted, like, oh, I guess

1454
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:22,280
Superman can do that. And I feel like there was

1455
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,840
of course there's critics and people that reviewed films, but

1456
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,960
I don't think films got dissected the same way that

1457
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:31,000
they do now. Like we're a couple of Joe Schmos

1458
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:33,159
that didn't go to film school reviewing stuff. There's people

1459
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:35,039
all the time after they see a movie that are, oh,

1460
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:37,679
I didn't like this, and that's what letterboxes, right, fucking

1461
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,159
letter boxes like criticism for anybody you can just go

1462
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,239
on there. So it's just like I if this were

1463
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,360
happened today's like you said, Cavil or like cornsw coming up,

1464
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,400
it would just get like that's a fucking raw movie

1465
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:52,559
right there. That's like all the ending was terrible ending. Shit,

1466
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:54,000
they didn't know what to do and like what are

1467
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,280
they reshoots? You know, like all I could see I

1468
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,360
can see it now, you know.

1469
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: And because we've because we've had so many of these movies,

1470
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,639
I feel like the filmmakers are actually going through the

1471
01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:04,760
effort of trying to explain even if even if the

1472
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,559
science is like doesn't maybe make sense. They explain it

1473
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:10,159
in a way that it would make it like Tony

1474
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:13,519
with the like time travel right, like like like we

1475
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:15,280
don't go into too much detail, but he is like

1476
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,760
an infinity symbol and he moves some pieces here and

1477
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,079
there's some big flashy lights and he says some big numbers.

1478
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:22,279
It's like time travel. It's like, okay, well, at least

1479
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:24,720
he did something right, like like he did some math.

1480
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,000
I think I don't know, I don't know exactly what

1481
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:30,159
happened there, say something, and like thinking back to this

1482
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,319
scene when I when I was a wee young lad,

1483
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,279
like I didn't have any issues with it at all,

1484
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,319
And I think, in hindsight, maybe I just didn't fucking care.

1485
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:40,920
It was just a cool scene. But like I think,

1486
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,560
mostly what it does, even though it is kind of bullshit,

1487
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,760
it maybe just shows that there is like limitless potential

1488
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,119
to Superman's powers, like like he is just the all

1489
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:55,840
powerful being that like okay, he's immortal, he's bulletproof, but

1490
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:59,560
like also just he can turn back time. And I

1491
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,600
did not remember like Marlin coming in here and be

1492
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,279
like don't you can't interfere with human history? Don't do it,

1493
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,760
Like I don't remember that hesitation at all. And it's

1494
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,560
funny that it's in there because it doesn't really even

1495
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,159
mean anything, Like he just ignores his dad fixes the

1496
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,399
problem and it's fine and there's no consequences, even though

1497
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,119
he's like the one thing you can't do, you can't

1498
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:21,520
interfere with human history, and it just it's funny how

1499
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,159
it does not matter at all.

1500
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: They're dead. It doesn't matter the same thing does happen

1501
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,399
in too, Yeah, but like I just feel like they're dead,

1502
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,279
Like he can have respect for them, but they're dead.

1503
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,520
They got no say or sway or accumulation on what

1504
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:37,880
happens to this planet.

1505
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: So future sneak beginning Taylor's household when the ghost of

1506
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,119
his dead parents are in there. You're dad, You're dead.

1507
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:46,079
You have no say here. You just like you're going

1508
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:50,319
through something there. So let's see here I talked about

1509
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,800
you guys said anything more on Lex Luthor and test Maker.

1510
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,079
I think it's like I guess she makes sense of it,

1511
01:09:56,199 --> 01:09:59,159
but like very weird. The test Marker just sexually assaults

1512
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,479
Superman at the into this movie when she just kissed him,

1513
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,239
Like I didn't think i'd get a chance to it's

1514
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:05,800
like oh okay, and he's super like yeah, he's like,

1515
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,600
oh that's all right, missedat Smoker.

1516
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,119
Speaker 3: But it's just like they're just like every ready to

1517
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:11,239
go down right there.

1518
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,359
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't gonna do that, but he was happy

1519
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:15,319
to receive the kids. But just all these women are

1520
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:17,880
just fucking just like even if it takes casting him

1521
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,119
while he like has Krypton and he's like, I'm dying

1522
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:22,479
like she I'm gotta get a kiss from Superman, you know.

1523
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,239
But yeah, I don't really, I don't think anyone's bad here,

1524
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:29,319
Like Hackman's having a fun time, but nothing I really

1525
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:32,199
As I said in the beginning, uh look forward to

1526
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:34,800
him and rewatching this movie. That's the moment when like, okay,

1527
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,520
I can kind of tune out for a second cause like,

1528
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,319
and again, that makes sense. It's seventy eight. He can't

1529
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:42,039
have like a big battlesuit. Army can't have a big

1530
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:44,720
space plan. So it's like, what's his plan to do

1531
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,600
some real estate, like you know, terrorist activities, some very

1532
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,960
shady stuff. So it makes sense. But uh, yeah, not

1533
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,680
a highlight for me in this film. Definitely probably the

1534
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,680
thing I rate at the bottom is all all of it.

1535
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, I would easily say top five favorite

1536
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,479
aspect of this movie. Maybe top three.

1537
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1538
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,359
Speaker 2: I really do like Gene Hackman in this In this

1539
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,479
role of it's like he's a greasy salesman like more

1540
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,560
than anything, and his like power and influence it's not

1541
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,880
really like shown. It's just like Okay is in he

1542
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,399
lives in the sewers, but he's got like a nice bookshelf,

1543
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,880
so he's got like I imagine he's got some power

1544
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,079
and money and influence, and like you just kind of

1545
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:28,560
running with it, like I don't know if it's a

1546
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,640
facade and he's just like totally just show like like

1547
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:36,159
like pretending that hell, all this influence, he clearly has

1548
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,159
like assets, you know, jumping into him in the next

1549
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,359
when we get a certain prison escape, like like like

1550
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,000
he has resources, but it's almost like a doctor Eggman

1551
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:48,479
type thing where it's like we don't really even ask

1552
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,479
the question where his money comes from or like how

1553
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,760
he is in this position. He just has an underground

1554
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,520
base and he's got lack, he's on his payroll, and

1555
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,039
he's got all these other access to things, and I

1556
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,640
think it's just because because I've seen that type of

1557
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,000
villain in so many other avenues, probably like cartoons or

1558
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,199
I already made the Doctor Egmann comparison. It's just I'm

1559
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,359
okay with it, Like I don't really need the explanation

1560
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,159
at all in this film. I think it also just

1561
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:16,880
fits with this being like in the seventies and it

1562
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:20,399
just being the first Superman, Like it just it just works.

1563
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,119
I'm not really I don't really find myself asking those questions.

1564
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,800
And I think because Gene Hackman is just really good

1565
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:30,640
and Otis or whatever the hell is his first lackeys,

1566
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,840
Oh it is Otis, Like it's almost stooge like humor

1567
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,359
around that character. But like I don't normally like that,

1568
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,920
but I liked it here. I think it partly because

1569
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,960
I just what I couldn't remember like that level of

1570
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:45,720
humor being in this film. I remembered it being a

1571
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,880
lot more serious than it was, but it was it

1572
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,920
was welcome. Yeah, Like maybe maybe that was my worst

1573
01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:57,239
joke around Otis, but uh it. But like still in

1574
01:12:57,319 --> 01:13:00,479
that scene, he's like showcasing he's gonna kill, like he's

1575
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,720
literally just gonna destroyed the San DRIs fault and kill

1576
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,079
millions upon millions of people, and then you have like

1577
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:09,680
this little moment of Otisville and it's just it's kind

1578
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,800
of strange, but in the moment I still kind of laugh.

1579
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,039
I think it's ninety percent just Gene Hackman like bouncing

1580
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:17,880
off of the scene and really selling it to me.

1581
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,880
But yeah, I do really like this this lex here,

1582
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,680
and I don't really remember the spacey performance from uh

1583
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:29,880
from Returns and then I guess the other one would

1584
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:37,359
have been, oh my god, what's that Chap's Nameberg? Heisenberg? Eisenberg? Eisenber?

1585
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:39,319
Speaker 1: Was Heisenberg? Remember?

1586
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,159
Speaker 2: But I didn't get that, which, yeah, I wasn't a

1587
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:45,479
big fan of Eisenberg. So and I don't remember, like

1588
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,119
I remember seeing him in the animated series, but I

1589
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:52,159
don't does it animated series or Justice League?

1590
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,399
Speaker 1: No boat, he's in Superman and Justice League. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1591
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:57,800
he's always popping up.

1592
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,199
Speaker 2: I would have seen him then at some point, because

1593
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:02,279
I remember watching the Justice League show, but uh, I

1594
01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:05,279
don't really remember like the actual performance, but I don't

1595
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:08,119
know just from what you've described in past and kind

1596
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,800
of compared it to a rock like character, It's like, yeah,

1597
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,920
I do like that lex in my mind, but this

1598
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,560
one always is a special place because it is my first.

1599
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: It is a special place. But do you think it's

1600
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,119
like reverts to go man, that that's a very you know,

1601
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:24,319
it's like a little cheesy. Yeah, Like I feel like

1602
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,039
with everybody and even like the animated stuff will see

1603
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:30,560
but like I still have every faith in the world

1604
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,199
with Nicholas Hole that he's gonna be like the Luther.

1605
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,640
He's gonna be that he's gonna take the role we

1606
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,359
just talked about with Colin Ferrell. It's like, okay, he's

1607
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:42,520
Penguin now. Until someone can get anything like that, I

1608
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,880
feel like Holth has a good opportunity to do that

1609
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,039
because even hackmen like even like his hair is not

1610
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:49,960
shame like, he's not like that like where this they

1611
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,600
look like they're gonna fall out Eisenberg. If you like Eisenberg,

1612
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,039
more power to you that that to me is nowhere near.

1613
01:14:56,279 --> 01:14:59,479
Like I haven't seen Spacey's performance in a while. Spacey

1614
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,720
sounds like on paper a great choice, right, like everything

1615
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,680
aside you think, oh come spaces like Luthor, that sounds great,

1616
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,880
But I feel like Holt has a real shot to

1617
01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:10,640
make that his own, like kind of cement.

1618
01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:14,079
Speaker 2: That way be like the benchmark for the character. Yeah,

1619
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,319
I think that's I think it's entirely accurate. I think

1620
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:19,039
he's got great potential there and I definitely believe that

1621
01:15:19,079 --> 01:15:21,680
he can achieve that. And it's funny because I don't

1622
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,680
think it's going to be a similar performance to like

1623
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,920
what Gene Hackman is or Eisenberg, like, I think it

1624
01:15:26,039 --> 01:15:27,760
is going to be his own, but I can still

1625
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,159
see I could like picture Nicholas Holt playing a Gene

1626
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,439
Hackman Lex Luthor like. I think he can hit all

1627
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,439
the levels of the of like the comedy or maybe

1628
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,199
like the goofy character, but also hit the serious stuff.

1629
01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:40,920
So although I'm not expecting that, it's just kind of

1630
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,920
funny in hindsight comparing the two, But I am very

1631
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,560
much looking forward to that. And you asked a question there.

1632
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,680
I think at the early portions before you brought up

1633
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,920
Nicholas Holt just maybe or no, you're just have a

1634
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:58,239
more modern Lex luthor. Yeah, I looking at the Gene

1635
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,760
Hackman role, I don't I don't think I want to

1636
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,760
see it in a modern superhero movie, especially with like

1637
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,600
the otis humor around and miss oh my gosh, what

1638
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,319
was her name? Tennenbacker? Test Mocker, test test Mocker.

1639
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,199
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be in Superman Legacy as well too?

1640
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: So is that like a is that like an important

1641
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:18,399
comic book?

1642
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: It's always like good, this like lacky secretary sort of person. Yeah,

1643
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,039
seen as though, Yeah, I.

1644
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:27,359
Speaker 2: Mean with that being said, I I'm excited to see

1645
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,119
the new version of the character. I don't think there's

1646
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,840
much here other than just her being the one that freeze.

1647
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,840
But like, really you could have had like Otis's mom

1648
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,000
be in peril and be like oh, and then he's

1649
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:40,680
the one that like like you don't need her in

1650
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,600
this role. I I, I guess I like the idea

1651
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,720
of having a third member so it's not just like

1652
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,680
Lex and Otis against the world, like like it makes

1653
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,359
a slightly more sense that they have some more help

1654
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,000
or especially like when they're when they're stealing like the

1655
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:58,640
nuke like that secret Like I really like the way

1656
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,560
that scene plays out. I think it reminds you of

1657
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,920
spies like us and in many different ways. If any

1658
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,239
of you have seen that movie, but it's just I

1659
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:12,000
don't think I have no, I don't know really, Okay, Taylor,

1660
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:14,319
have you don't seen Spies like Us. That's a you movie.

1661
01:17:14,359 --> 01:17:15,399
That's got to be you movie.

1662
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: Fuck, you know what?

1663
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:20,119
Speaker 3: The name sounds so familiar. I think I had it

1664
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:20,920
to my watch.

1665
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: With dack Roid and Chevy Chase.

1666
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's why I wouldn't have seen it, not Chevy Chase.

1667
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 3: It's number one on my on my watch list.

1668
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney's in this movie, you buried the lead right there?

1669
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: I buried the lead. What does that even mean?

1670
01:17:37,359 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney's Oh, he just did a song. You don't know.

1671
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:40,520
Buried the lead means?

1672
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 2: Though, I like, are you saying I did that? Like

1673
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,720
I did crucial information from you?

1674
01:17:46,279 --> 01:17:48,039
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly? You you the

1675
01:17:48,119 --> 01:17:50,000
most important. But you're fine because he just did a

1676
01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:52,000
song for he's not starring, but there was a poster

1677
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:54,600
of remember him in that movie at all, So that's

1678
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,479
why it's just but it was for the it was

1679
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,279
just the album cover for the song, but there's a

1680
01:17:58,279 --> 01:18:00,520
poster of all Through Together. I'm like, wow, didn't tell.

1681
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 2: Me this, but yeah that that probably around this era

1682
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:06,760
of me watching Superman for the first time was when

1683
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,279
I got introduced to spies like Us, and I love

1684
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:11,720
that movie. But uh no, I I I yeah, I

1685
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,680
really love that the way that scene carried out. But

1686
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:20,640
for for miss miss t very yeah, just nothing much

1687
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:21,920
more than the next.

1688
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: See I hate that ship. I hate every like five

1689
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,319
minutes in a Lex scene and he's like, but that's

1690
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:30,760
what it's just so like, you know, But I get

1691
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,840
there for it and it worked for what they're going for.

1692
01:18:34,119 --> 01:18:37,520
So any more thoughts on Lex Taylor.

1693
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of problems with him again,

1694
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,439
like he just to me felt like the comedic relief

1695
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,720
whenever he was popping in there and he's explaining like

1696
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,199
his diabolical plan. But uh, I love that he didn't

1697
01:18:50,399 --> 01:18:52,840
explain and go into full on detail about what he

1698
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,800
was trying to do with the like during the process,

1699
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,479
because like when he had to be serious and had

1700
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,600
to be very cunning and intelligent.

1701
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: I like that.

1702
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 3: I liked how he used the certain like dog whistle

1703
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,640
frequency to speak only to Superman with everyone else's song.

1704
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,199
I thought that was great. Like that fucking work?

1705
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: Why does that work? Like what if? It's like, I

1706
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:12,680
don't know, it's all odd.

1707
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,199
Speaker 3: Because dogs have only dogs can hear things we can't, Right,

1708
01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:17,840
there's certain frequencies and I think meant, if you know

1709
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,680
this guy's got Superhero, it makes perfect sense because nobody though.

1710
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,119
Speaker 2: And he's just fucking messing with all these dogs for

1711
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:26,680
no reason. He's like, Superman, you're out there.

1712
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: I'll kill get here. And it's like half an hour

1713
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,079
and he's like, Wow, I guess I gotta destroy all Metropolis.

1714
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:32,560
Here we go.

1715
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,039
Speaker 3: But that's that too. I really did like because, yeah,

1716
01:19:35,039 --> 01:19:37,720
he threatened Superman by having a gas bomb in the city,

1717
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:40,880
which is all just a hoax. It was really just

1718
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,359
to get him down there, just to detain him so

1719
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,600
that he could put off his his true plant, which

1720
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,880
I thought that was great. It was brutally menacing and tactful,

1721
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,000
and I really enjoyed that.

1722
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: Now.

1723
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 3: I did not realize that there were two missiles when

1724
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,800
I saw this, So when they messed up their first

1725
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,840
attempt because the guy did the wrong that, I would

1726
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,359
just the wrong number. And then they just showed up

1727
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:05,199
at the second missile with a fucking big rig and

1728
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:07,279
all this stuff. I was like, how the fuck did

1729
01:20:07,319 --> 01:20:10,439
they prepare to like rebound and go back in with

1730
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,920
this huge because they're towing a massive house. It's like,

1731
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:16,960
how did they fucking plan this to like within ten

1732
01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:18,359
minutes after doing their.

1733
01:20:18,319 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 2: Whole new wardrop.

1734
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like how did they? But then I realized, oh,

1735
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,880
it was the second fucking missile. It was a different

1736
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,520
crew that they were approaching. That makes sense, But I

1737
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,439
like that. I just wish that the motivations were a

1738
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,520
little bit more uh devious, instead of just you know,

1739
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,760
I bought up all this land in behind California, and

1740
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,159
I'm gonna drop the California fault line so that I

1741
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:43,680
have the beachfront property and my property will be worth millions.

1742
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,000
It's like that's a bold plan, Like you really think

1743
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:48,239
people are gonna be buying up property on a fucking

1744
01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:52,720
earthquake like missile site, Like it's just the old economy

1745
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,640
is going to be tanked San Andreas.

1746
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: Fall goes down.

1747
01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 3: That's right, your property is gonna be with jack shit.

1748
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,159
So that that's that's all I really have for that.

1749
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,920
I think. Other than that, he was he was enjoyable.

1750
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:08,359
That was a Lex Luthor, miss test mocker. She was

1751
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,520
funny and I like that. She Her kryptonite was just

1752
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,800
you know, you gotta promise you saved my mom first,

1753
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,199
which he did. He's very noble and honorable. Yeah, she

1754
01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:21,079
sexually assaulted Superman and then Otis is just uh, he

1755
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:22,680
was really down, so.

1756
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,319
Speaker 1: Serious, like you're in a fucking lawyer like rooms. Yeah,

1757
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:29,399
and she's sexually assault Superman just like again.

1758
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 2: Probably the one only case in history that's like one

1759
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,600
of one of Superman or like of super sexual assaulting Superman.

1760
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:41,199
You know she's in prison, she could like use that

1761
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:42,880
as Cloud Kane.

1762
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:47,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, because that I did. We know, we know,

1763
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:49,359
shut the fuck up, it's just the kids, calm down.

1764
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:55,199
Uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know that answer.

1765
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:57,119
And the top of my head about Superman's history there,

1766
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:00,399
but I guess she's still a shit charac though, because

1767
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,319
like if everyone wasn't apparel, she was just she was

1768
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:07,319
fine with them all night. I guess right, true, Yeah,

1769
01:22:08,199 --> 01:22:08,960
you're an asshole.

1770
01:22:10,039 --> 01:22:10,520
Speaker 2: That's how.

1771
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:12,359
Speaker 1: I did.

1772
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: Like the sequence when Superman gets the dog Whistle and

1773
01:22:18,039 --> 01:22:20,840
then he finds Lex's base and we don't really see

1774
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,800
like the drilling technique used much. I feel like it

1775
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,399
fits in like this era of Superman because it's not

1776
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,640
that hard to edit him like spinning around really fast

1777
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,359
and then he just drills right into the earth. I

1778
01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:33,840
don't think i've really seen Superman use that power other

1779
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,800
than here, But I like when he goes to the

1780
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,600
door and then otis just like goes up to it

1781
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,079
and then he's like, I think he's here, and then

1782
01:22:42,119 --> 01:22:44,520
the door is just like protruding further further breaks down,

1783
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,520
and then Gene Hackman's hit in the chair. He's like,

1784
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,279
he's like, don't worry, I'll send you a bill for

1785
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:51,399
the door, and like just those little wild one liners.

1786
01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:53,640
I didn't write down many of them, but I feel

1787
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,439
like most of them hit for me. And if you

1788
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:57,760
have a different like you know, if you have a

1789
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,560
lesser actor in that role, I think those are just

1790
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,560
really all flat. But because Jane brought a certain something

1791
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,760
to the role, and I feel like it just shows

1792
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,800
how much I watched these movies as a kid, where

1793
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,640
I feel like I've seen Gene Hackman in so many things,

1794
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,680
and I was going through his IMDb and it's really

1795
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:19,920
just Superman. I think that I've witnessed him in some

1796
01:23:20,319 --> 01:23:22,359
maybe random minor roles here and there that I might

1797
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:26,640
be forgetting, but you just seem so familiar, and yeah,

1798
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,840
I think it is just because I had these movies

1799
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,640
in such a heavy rotation back in the day. But yeah, no,

1800
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:33,720
I thought he was great.

1801
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,279
Speaker 1: Anything else specifically. Also, we looked at it. I notes,

1802
01:23:38,359 --> 01:23:39,680
we've touched upon them all for me.

1803
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:48,279
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I was just looking at young Frankenstein. Fuck,

1804
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:50,159
he was in there too. I was looking at Jean's

1805
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:53,159
just as a roster. He's an ants. I wonder who

1806
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:54,039
he voice is in there.

1807
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,319
Speaker 2: Probably I saw it on there earlier. That's why I

1808
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,119
know character nam mandible.

1809
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: There you go. All right, So Trivia Time casting director

1810
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,880
was the first one, or Lynn Stellmaster was the first

1811
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,560
one to suggest Christopher Reef for the tyroll. But Richard

1812
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,560
Donnard and the Soclans who are the sal Kinds. There's

1813
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,960
the people that were the producers. I'm not sure how

1814
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,760
it worked as far as WB. I don't know if

1815
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,560
they owned all of them yet, they were just working

1816
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,399
with him, I don't know, but they felt that he

1817
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,800
was too young and skinny. Nevertheless, we've did an excellent

1818
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,359
screen test that blue directors and producers away. Once he

1819
01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:33,359
had the part, he had underwent a strict physical training

1820
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,760
session for months, going from one hundred and seventy pounds

1821
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:39,479
to two twelve. Which is funny because I've talked about

1822
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,920
this with like on vodgra Shey with Scott. He's brought

1823
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,560
us so many times. If you can find photos and

1824
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,239
stuff of Christopher Reeve not in the suit, like half

1825
01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:51,720
naked at the beach or something like that, guy is

1826
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,319
fucking ripped in great shade. This coustion does no favors man.

1827
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,319
It just smooths him right the fuck out. He just

1828
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,840
he's still like it is funny because like, uh, to

1829
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,479
obtain muscular or detain muscularity to convincedly place with man,

1830
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,880
Christopher we went underwent a body building regime regiment. My god,

1831
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,760
him sucking up every word tonight, supervised by David Prowse,

1832
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,239
the man who played Darth Vader in the Star Wars trilogy.

1833
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,000
Chris we worked out so much during the making of

1834
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:21,520
this film that the traveling match shots taken of him

1835
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,640
the beginning they shoot did not match the later ones.

1836
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,880
They had to reshoot it. So they learned to reshoot

1837
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,119
scenes because he got bigger like later on in the movie.

1838
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,479
So like, I know there's footage and I've seen footage

1839
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,680
of him. I don't know if it's a test screen

1840
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,760
or something. Before he starts waking working out on this

1841
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,439
and he's even smaller. But it is funny that he

1842
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,760
did get bigger for this and he isn't in shape guy,

1843
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,840
but this costume, yeah, it just smooths you out and

1844
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,840
it does not doesn't make him look like he just

1845
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,359
still looks like a scrawnye or Superman. He's a tall

1846
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:54,159
guy and he got some broad shoulders, but like, uh yeah,

1847
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,720
go to below below, to the next one of these ones,

1848
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,640
like oh yeah, that one right there. No, no, well

1849
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,399
that one too, but that one right there. Yeah, when

1850
01:26:01,399 --> 01:26:03,399
they get the whole chest wings back, look at him

1851
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,520
right there. That's fucking but like you don't see that

1852
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,840
in that suit, that suit, he just looks like his

1853
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,079
broad shoulders and he's fit, right, but like he put

1854
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,840
on the fucking bounds he was doing it. Yeah, look

1855
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:16,600
at that. Look at that comparison photo. Get the black

1856
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,720
and white one and then the chest. Uh they just

1857
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:19,359
look at that.

1858
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 2: Did they have much like shirtless scenes the day?

1859
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,239
Speaker 1: Oh? In that just in general, I don't think it

1860
01:26:27,319 --> 01:26:29,720
was known as like the like the same way as

1861
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,239
far as like, hey I'm not going to drink a

1862
01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:32,960
bunch of water day because I got a shirtless scene.

1863
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,800
I don't think it was like that, because we've talked

1864
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,600
about it even hairs okay, as we've seen how things

1865
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,760
have changed. But like, I don't think it was like

1866
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:43,720
get ready for your your naked scene day. I think

1867
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,600
maybe women, but I don't know if men had that

1868
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,039
pressure yet. Well now I think men had that bit more.

1869
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:52,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just interesting because like I feel like

1870
01:26:52,399 --> 01:26:54,560
there's easily a scene you could have in here where

1871
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,359
he just you know, PARPs off and he's showing off

1872
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,199
the work that he put in. Should have because yeah, no,

1873
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:03,279
absolutely should have, but maybe it was just like distasteful

1874
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,079
for like movies back then. Like I don't know, I just, yeah,

1875
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:08,039
it's an interesting thought.

1876
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: Jehanna's Clark during his little coffee a little stash just

1877
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,399
fucking ripped the nines. But yeah, he's like he said,

1878
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,039
the suit was not kind to him. But on the

1879
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:20,399
first day set. I love this story. Marlon Brando suggested

1880
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,640
to Richard Donna that the cameras roll during rehearsal because randomly,

1881
01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:27,600
Brando reportedly says, who knows, we might get lucky. According

1882
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,279
to Donner, the very first take was the one that

1883
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,000
was used in the finish film. Brando was notoriously lazy,

1884
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,920
putting a little uh and was constantly pulling little stunts

1885
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,119
like this to lesson his workload because even complained about him,

1886
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:44,239
and interview is saying he's phoning it in and it shows.

1887
01:27:44,319 --> 01:27:46,279
But that's just so funny, like a way of being like, oh, yeah,

1888
01:27:46,279 --> 01:27:47,720
who knows where I get lucky. But it's just his

1889
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,880
way of trying to like not do more scenes and

1890
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:51,560
everything like that.

1891
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 2: So I can't imagine like film was like cheap at

1892
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,119
all in this air when they had like non digital,

1893
01:27:58,279 --> 01:28:01,960
like full on film reels to just make that request, but.

1894
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, to maintain connuity. Christopher We've dubbed. I already said this. Yeah,

1895
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:12,000
he dubbed all the teen lines for himself, which is

1896
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,960
which is I wonder how the actor felt, like, oh,

1897
01:28:15,039 --> 01:28:17,119
I get the scene in a movie I'm playing out

1898
01:28:17,159 --> 01:28:19,520
Christopher Weave, you know, and then like, yeah, your voice

1899
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,239
is gonna be all gone, so there you go. Gene

1900
01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:25,399
Hackman refused to cut his mustache to play like Luthor

1901
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,199
in Early one, She's the movie his face featured mustache

1902
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,399
for Richard Donner and Hackman I met face to face

1903
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,279
Donner for post. Hackman that he would shave his mustache

1904
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,039
and Donna would shave his two and Hackman agreed to it.

1905
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,960
Later on, it turned out that Donna did not have

1906
01:28:40,079 --> 01:28:42,600
mustache at all. He wore a fake mustache and pulled

1907
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:49,439
off at the last moment. So that's amazing, what a

1908
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,319
what a slimy good way to get the role and

1909
01:28:52,399 --> 01:28:55,720
everything like that, But hey, I do it. Mamon Branda

1910
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,119
was paid three point seven million plus a percentage of

1911
01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:02,479
the gross someone while I'm talking finally with the inflation

1912
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,920
of three point seven is compared to now because three

1913
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,840
point seven back then? Fuck but u Brando did not

1914
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,640
appear in the sequel because he had sued the producers,

1915
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,920
claiming they had not paid him his percentage of profits.

1916
01:29:13,239 --> 01:29:18,119
He ultimately received about fourteen million dollars for ten minutes

1917
01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:21,600
of screen time. Foot Whiche was used in Superman Returns

1918
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,319
with okay actually feeling that putting fourteen million in nineteen

1919
01:29:25,399 --> 01:29:27,319
seventy eight versus now, what is that?

1920
01:29:27,359 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 3: That's about the three point seven.

1921
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 1: No, yeah, because he's total about fourteen. Now that's reknit,

1922
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,079
So what fourteen was it? That's gonna be like? What

1923
01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:38,359
is that close to? Am I wrong on saying I

1924
01:29:38,399 --> 01:29:39,640
could be close to one hundred.

1925
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 3: Million, fourteen million in nineteen seventy is equivalent and purchasing

1926
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,920
power to about sixty seven point five millions.

1927
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so about almost thirty million, shy of one hundred

1928
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,800
but still ten minutes. Yeah for ten minutes. Yeah, fourteen

1929
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:52,880
million for ten minutes.

1930
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: It's the power of the Godfather baby.

1931
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah hundred recent. Oh yeah, I told you guys about

1932
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,079
the diaper and everything. That the film was planned in

1933
01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:04,600
three years and shot in two. At the height of filming,

1934
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,880
over one thousand full time film crew were on eleven

1935
01:30:08,039 --> 01:30:11,119
units that were spread over three studios in eight countries.

1936
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,920
Over one million feet of film was used, Like we

1937
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,640
were talking about one million feet of film was used.

1938
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,720
Had the biggest production budget of any film at the time.

1939
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:25,199
So it was a big honking deal. Let's see. Even

1940
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,800
obviously it's changed so much, but think about this. In

1941
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,159
its initial run, the film was top the box office

1942
01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:33,520
charts for thirteen consecutive weeks, So for thirteen weeks number

1943
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:38,359
one movie in the world. Just crazy. So uh. Spielberg

1944
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,479
was initially offered chances directed, but the producers balked at

1945
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,359
the salary he had asked for. Did They decided to

1946
01:30:43,399 --> 01:30:46,239
wait and see how Jaws was gonna go, which he completed.

1947
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,199
It did go to the box office with successful credits

1948
01:30:49,279 --> 01:30:52,000
they offered to him, but then he passed Zori on

1949
01:30:52,119 --> 01:30:54,239
other projects. So it's kind of like, Okay, let's see

1950
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:56,520
what Jaws does, and then he does it, and then

1951
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,800
it's like, well, I'm already doing other stuff. Sorry, not

1952
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,600
gonna happen, but I think it worked out the way

1953
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,479
worked out good. Richard Donner first as Jerry Goldsmith, who

1954
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,199
we love. We talked about his score in the Planet

1955
01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:10,119
Apes movies to do the score. He agreed. However, scheduling

1956
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:14,079
conflicts came about. John Williams eagerly replaced Goldsmith, who would

1957
01:31:14,079 --> 01:31:17,199
six years later write the music for Supergirl. So kind

1958
01:31:17,239 --> 01:31:19,720
of funny we talk about this John Williams piece. Many

1959
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,520
people would have this as like they're number one for

1960
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,600
a single track. He's done. He wasn't even the first choice,

1961
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,479
you know, he was the backup guy. So kind of crazy.

1962
01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:32,359
Christophe was picked over from two or picked over two

1963
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:36,439
hundred actors in the addition, so pretty big. Carrie Elwis,

1964
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,000
do you guys know from Princess Brand The Bride Saw

1965
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,319
He worked as a production assistant whose job was to

1966
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:46,439
bring one Brando out of the trailer every day. Brando,

1967
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,279
who has paid one million at the time a day

1968
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:52,800
in averages, had little incentive to leave his trailer. According

1969
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,840
to Always and Have You Given, he refused to call

1970
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,119
him by his actual name and gave him the name Rocky.

1971
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,920
So that was carry El's was job. Yeah, that was

1972
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,800
his job for a week, was just to get Brando

1973
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:09,960
to and from set and everything like that. The movie's

1974
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,319
original ending had Superman same California, restructuring the Sandreas Fault

1975
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:17,039
and then throwing the second missile into space, which cracked

1976
01:32:17,039 --> 01:32:19,840
the Phantom Zone and released the three super villains Turning.

1977
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,560
Turning the World round was originally conceived for the ending

1978
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,800
of Superman two to make Lois forget the secret ending,

1979
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,199
which we will talk about. So they had talked about

1980
01:32:29,279 --> 01:32:30,640
doing this ending there, so.

1981
01:32:31,319 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 2: You're really doubling down though on the it we gotta

1982
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,640
do that we gotta have? Is that a comic book thing?

1983
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Do you know what? Okay? Apparently the kisses that we'll

1984
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,199
talk about, but not the thing and the kiss.

1985
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Trivia testing boers.

1986
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one. Yeah, he loves the ladies love finding

1987
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,119
him and just waiting till he's sleep. And then finally,

1988
01:32:51,399 --> 01:32:54,199
Robert Redford, Clint Eastwood, and James conn were all off

1989
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,840
of the movie's title role. All three turned it down.

1990
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,800
Redford wanted too much money. Eastwood said he was too busy.

1991
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,359
That's that's a cast in. Like, no fucking way. Whoever

1992
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,720
thought other than Big Star, whoever thought Clint east Wood Superman? Like,

1993
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,520
that's to be like an ant bitch. And like if

1994
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,399
you're saying, hey, she've been such a hit, we want

1995
01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:16,279
to do a Batman movie next, Clint, I can buy that. Okay,

1996
01:33:16,359 --> 01:33:18,600
Clinton is Batman, Sure, Clint is Superman.

1997
01:33:19,039 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Maybe like a very dark Superman, you know, he's killing

1998
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:22,520
people and everything.

1999
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a bizarre or something. And then Con said

2000
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,840
he read a script that was a hysterical script with

2001
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:33,439
Superman doing loops and loops and ship. Marlon called me, so,

2002
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:37,720
what the code says loops and loops and shit? Con said,

2003
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,600
Mario Parso wrote a hysterical script with Superman doing loop

2004
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,479
the loops, sh and shit. Marlon called me and said,

2005
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,279
come on, you gotta do it. I need some laughs.

2006
01:33:46,359 --> 01:33:48,000
And I said, yeah, but you don't have to wear

2007
01:33:48,079 --> 01:33:50,560
the cape. No way, I'm getting that silly suit because

2008
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:54,720
him and brandall worked together on Godfather, So and that

2009
01:33:55,079 --> 01:33:57,079
was the story that he apparently did try to get

2010
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,520
gone to be Superman. Just so like he just hang

2011
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,079
out with someone he knew on set for the time

2012
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:08,560
for like the ten days he was there whatever, the

2013
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,680
ten hours he was there in filming time. But yeah,

2014
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,600
Brando near the end, funny guy. Again, if you go back,

2015
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,520
he's been multiple great performances and he's, you know, great.

2016
01:34:19,119 --> 01:34:21,319
If you talk to every actor that's from the eighties

2017
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:24,239
and nineties, they list Brandos their inspiration. So this is

2018
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:26,039
just more near the end of his life where he's

2019
01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:29,119
just like, you know, definitely just get some paychecks. But hey,

2020
01:34:29,119 --> 01:34:32,640
he's getting big ones. So yeah, I'll go first because

2021
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,279
I don't know if I'm the lowest. I'll give this,

2022
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,800
like I'll go in eight at a ten. I think

2023
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,279
maybe quality wise for me, it's like a seven, but

2024
01:34:39,399 --> 01:34:42,079
I think there's some magical element to it. It's something

2025
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:44,720
like and it is stuff in that era. But there's

2026
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,319
tons of shooting there too, right, there's tons of movies

2027
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,000
right like today, like I would say Dune two has

2028
01:34:50,039 --> 01:34:52,439
this where it's like there's just movie magic you can't

2029
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,239
put your finger on it. It's just like perfect stuff

2030
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:57,319
in the air. And I think this movie has the

2031
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,640
movie magic. So that's why I would go as eight.

2032
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,199
I have some cons. It's not one that I'm constantly

2033
01:35:02,319 --> 01:35:05,319
wanting to rewatch, but like I said, I've watched it

2034
01:35:05,399 --> 01:35:06,920
a bit more of these past few years now and

2035
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,159
I appreciate and like it more so who knows, we'll see,

2036
01:35:10,199 --> 01:35:12,399
but yeah, that's where I am at eight out of ten.

2037
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,600
Speaker 3: I would probably go nine out of ten. I really

2038
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:25,520
really liked this movie. It's not a perfect film though,

2039
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,479
so not giving it the full ten out of ten,

2040
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:29,920
but I liked this so much more than I was anticipating,

2041
01:35:30,039 --> 01:35:34,800
and I was just having such a great time. Of course,

2042
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,880
the story could have been a little bit better, like

2043
01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:40,920
you said before, with Lex Luthor's kind of whole plot

2044
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,520
of just I want to own the real estate and

2045
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,199
just be making millions of dollars off of all this

2046
01:35:46,399 --> 01:35:49,680
land that I own by sinking the fault Lions in California,

2047
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,520
that's a whole debacle that I just was not super

2048
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:56,319
super game for. But yeah, I think at the end

2049
01:35:56,319 --> 01:35:58,600
of the day, I will gladly rewatch this. I'm gonna

2050
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,119
have to confront my dad and be like, hey, why

2051
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:01,760
didn't you let me watch this when I was young?

2052
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 1: Well, Thanksgiving this weekend, Taylor, so you can confront them there. Yeah, Hey,

2053
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,279
I got a problems. Matter of fact, I got a

2054
01:36:09,319 --> 01:36:11,159
fucking question, and just like, why do you let me

2055
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:11,880
watch Superman?

2056
01:36:12,039 --> 01:36:15,119
Speaker 3: And I watched Superman we have against Christopher Reeve. Uh,

2057
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,359
so that'll be something I asked. But I think, yeah,

2058
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,199
if you haven't seen this movie, you should go watch

2059
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:23,000
this movie because I'm certain glad that we wretchered it,

2060
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:26,439
and I'm excited to go through all the remainder like

2061
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,680
Reeve Superman movies. And I've heard Quest for Pieces maybe

2062
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:31,880
called Quest for More Money.

2063
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: But we'll see when we were when we get to

2064
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,319
three and especially for we're gonna get to some rocky

2065
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,880
territory Supergirl I really don't have much memory of, but

2066
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:45,199
three and four have some questionable choices. I would say,

2067
01:36:45,279 --> 01:36:48,960
just just expect for the you know, the pendulum to

2068
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,239
swing the other way so they'll make some fun reviews.

2069
01:36:52,359 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 2: So that we're starting hot Yeah, flashbacks to the Planet

2070
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:56,439
of the Apes.

2071
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which is funny because we're not going to

2072
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,000
cover but Tim Burton almost made a Superman movie. Remember

2073
01:37:03,079 --> 01:37:05,439
he was making that one. Nick Cage Yeah, oh yeah

2074
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,159
yeah with Christopher could have been on him, we could

2075
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:10,680
have been Yeah, what could have been?

2076
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 2: What could have been? I Yeah, I really love this movie.

2077
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,880
I think there's definitely some datedness to it. There's some

2078
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,239
some things that age like fine wine though with it,

2079
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,760
and uh yeah, just some big what the fuck moments

2080
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:29,840
with the time adjustment that happens at the end. I

2081
01:37:30,119 --> 01:37:32,560
think I'm pretty happy with giving it a solid nine

2082
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:37,399
with Taylor Field on there, out of ten. Yeah, I

2083
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,359
I I think there's just a lot of a lot

2084
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:44,159
of good, like core foundation to this movie that just

2085
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,279
really paves the way for future comic book films in general.

2086
01:37:47,359 --> 01:37:52,720
And yeah, Christopher Reeve's fantastic sporting cast is great around him.

2087
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,600
But there's definitely some things that are make it a

2088
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,439
little bit messy, So I think like it could have

2089
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,560
been lower, But because I just have so much nostalgia

2090
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,880
for it, it's it's fantastic. It's not one I'm gonna

2091
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:07,800
be rewatching quite often, but I think there's just something

2092
01:38:08,199 --> 01:38:11,039
special to it. And at John Williams score Man, I

2093
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,840
randomly oh yeah, I was in Banff on the weekend

2094
01:38:16,119 --> 01:38:19,760
threugh on just you know, classic Hotel TV. Revenge of

2095
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,359
the Sith's on there, so of course I threw on

2096
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,880
some Revenge of the Sith watch the entire thing, and like,

2097
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:28,640
Man's just like any like Star Wars theme. Now, I

2098
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,279
feel like, in the back of my mind I combine

2099
01:38:31,319 --> 01:38:34,720
them with the Superman theme and like to get it here,

2100
01:38:35,359 --> 01:38:38,399
it's just oh yeah, John Williams and his magic and

2101
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,439
just putting his little his little special stardust on everything

2102
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:46,000
that he that he does, and both fantastic scores, but yeah,

2103
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:50,680
this one is This one's definitely like top tier superhero

2104
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:51,680
theme in general.

2105
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, then well there we go. We

2106
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:01,359
will be back with another episode covering Superman, You and

2107
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:02,079
We'll be born.

2108
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Speaker 2: Bye bye mm hmm