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music for the Superman retrospective. I'm the clown Prince of
Crypton try to snails. I'm joined by Yeah, imagine this
is the opening credits of Superman.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Christopher Reeve, I'm the maddest deal grit,
I'm the Superman.
Speaker 3: Taylor Field, get.
Speaker 1: Rid of that ship.
Speaker 2: Come along, my god, they're bypassed for copyright.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Superman music. But yeah, Lsia, when
we were here for a I don't know if I
can say long waited, but I feel like long waited
in a sense. It's just been one of those that's
been like, I don't think like every week we're like, oh,
I can't wait to fucking do Superman, but it's always
been Hey, when they make a new Superman movie, we're
gonna do this retrospective. And I feel like there's been
multiple times we thought that was gonna happen. I'm sure
probably after BBS we thought, well, it's inevitable, they'll happen. Uh,
maybe after Justice League, Zack Snyder's just Leaue thought what
happened didn't happen. And then Henry Cavill was back as
everyone remember that for a week he was Superman and
then in and go oh, sorry, no I'm not coming
back actually, So it's been so many times where I've
been written, my finer has been over the red button, like, oh,
here we go, finally do it because and I don't think, honestly,
we've talked about these movies much or really at all
other than in passing, like even in our personal lives.
So I'm excited to talk to these guys about it.
But it is a monumentous time because if you're a
Patroon producer, you're getting these right when we record him.
If not, you are a Phase five or Phase two
in Patroon up when they release monthly. This is one
of the exclusive retrospectives Long and Fantastic Four that we
did this year. Next year. It's kind of a combo,
but every year we do about two to three retros
are just Patreon exclusive. But the reason I think I've
just been wanting to cover this is because obviously Superman,
big deal. Hopefully Superman at this point, who knows when
people are listening to us. We've not seen a trailer
for James Gunns sing anything, even a poster, but I
feel like it's something vital to cover on the podcast
because this is the first ever com movie there's a
couple other ones that like came out black and white,
but really like a big motion picture. This is the first, big,
big one. This is one that kicks it all off, starts,
doesn't start the craze, but just starts to oh, these
at least can be maybe profitable and a big deal
and stuff. So it's it's a long time coming. As
we're going into our tenth thea that we're talking about
the first superhero movie, but I consider the first comic
book movie really, you know, for a Marvel DC project.
But mister Pats, I'm gonna start with you. Do you
have any history with this movie? When's the last time
you saw it? And if this is your first time,
you can tell us that, and then also what is
your thoughts about it on twenty twenty four or five
whenever someone's listening to this, I'm not sure, but in
this time we've recorded it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. I have some good history with this movie.
I these were like a heavy VHS rotation movie I had,
And funny enough, I'm pretty sure because back in the day,
you know, if kids listening or which was a Wednesday, yeah,
I would remember this. Sometimes you can have multiple movies
on a single VHS, and I'm pretty sure I had
Superman one and two. Maybe you do it somewhat in
a great area legality wise, you know, for how you
would get movies on the VHS is like that. But
for whatever reason, I had Superman one and two back
to back on VHS, And yeah, I really really love
this movie back in the day. And it's funny because,
like thinking back on just my my origin of being
a superhero fan, spider Man's always like the big one
that I that I latched onto. But I'm pretty sure
this might have been my first experience to a superhero actually,
like through this movie specifically Christopher Reeve. Maybe it was Batman,
like like through the eighty nines. I feel like that
era is just kind of like muddled together in my brain.
But like I do have vivid memories of like the
first time I watched Batman eighty nine, like, so I
feel like this probably would have been before that, just
because like my dad had seen this movie back in
the day, so he would have had that one already
and we would have just been I don't know, it
would have just been in our movie rotation list. And yeah,
I really really really loved these movies as a kid.
It's funny, like you know, spoiler, we're doing back to
back retros for Superman one in two a little just.
Speaker 1: Fitting because the movies back to back as well, so.
Speaker 2: It is so fitting it. It was two for on
my VHS, two for for the retro, two for for
the filming, and I feel like in my mind I
just kind of muddled the two movies together, and I
when we were going through the Planet of the Apes retros,
I kind of had that effect where it's like I
remember watching these movies quite a bit, but I couldn't
really remember which pieces were a part of which films.
So yeah, it was kind of funny going through it
now because I have not seen these movies since back
then on the VHS on the old tube TV. So yeah,
I think that they actually age quite well on this viewing,
especially going through like this first one now in nineteen
seventy eight. I really try to like wrap my head
around the idea of like this being kind of like
a first superhero movie that people would be seeing in theaters,
especially back then, like movies aren't as rarely available as
they are now, and just obviously with how many comic
book movies we have now, like we're just so used
to Okay, superhero superpowers and they can do super fantastical
things with you know, with the technology that we have now,
we can like really showcase some epic moments, but like
just to be able to like back in night and
of course we have star Wars and stuff, But I
feel like specifically for like trying to have a realistic
world of like a superhero character like in that world, Like,
I don't know, it's just an interesting kind of thought process,
so I try to wrap my head around that for
this specific viewing. And man, I still think that this
actually has a lot of things at age, well even
today in twenty twenty four, and I still think there's
a really really solid movie. I stand by that. I think,
you know, the ending, I thought that was a part
of Superman too, so I was kind of surprised to
have it where we had it with the spoiler for
a nineteen seventy eight movie when he turns back time,
Like I remember that being a part of the film,
but I didn't really thought about the logistics of it.
So it kind of it's a little iffy for me
to swallow that pill. I think now on just now
that I'm watching it, but overall, I still think it
is a really really great film, really great like Origin
story too for a superhero character. And Christopher Reeve is
so fantastic as Superman. I feel like specifically him cast
it in that role is maybe what made me fall
in love with the character more so than just what
the idea of Superman is. He's just so good at
being like just like the bulky, handsome Superman but also
the really like anti charisma Clark Kent.
Speaker 1: Like he's also.
Speaker 2: There's even more so in Superman two, maybe when he
gets like some friend zoning going on. But I think
in this one they do a really good job at
showcasing like the two sides of that character. I really love,
like the sporting cast and Gene hackman Man as Lex Luthor,
like he is so like charismatic and definitely like he
was the reason why I think I just I had
Lex Luthor so high in my mind, like a as
a youngin of just like a big time villain, just
just because he's different than like the mustache to twirly
classic like I'm gonna destroy the world. Like he's just
so charismatic and he's goofy at times. There's a lot
more comedy in these movies too that I was kind
of expecting to like around him and his goons. So yeah,
I had a really fun time actually revisiting this now,
especially that it just seemed like I knew like all
the main beats. I think it just goes to show
how much I would have watched this as a kid,
Like it's just really ingrained in my mind. And yeah,
I thought this was a really really good film, even
though it's nineteen seventy eight, and like you're kind of
saying earlier, like the first actual superhero movie like it, Like,
I think it does a really good job at being
that first one. So yeah, I'm excited on ravlit with
you guys, but uh, overall still positive like I was
back in.
Speaker 1: The day, mister Field, I said, have you even seen
this movie before?
Speaker 3: I've never seen this movie before.
Speaker 1: I didn't think so. I feel like there was just
some you have some blind spots. I think heavily in
the seventies and eighties. It feels like, you know, like
there's some stuff you love. But I remember like Nightmare
and Elmstreet and Seen and I felt like Superman. I'm like, eh,
but you know, obviously Star Wars not but there's a
couple and so what did you think about this? So
you'd never had you seen any other than maybe like
a clip like in like a theater when they show
a bunch of movies or on like a DC reel.
Have you seen any scenes from any of these movies
like on TV or anything?
Speaker 3: Never on TV asides from yes, there's a reels in
the theater, whatnot. That's I've never seen anything.
Speaker 1: You're in for a ride, So had you even seen honestly,
we're gonna get there, But you'd seen Superman Returns with
Brendon Ralph.
Speaker 3: That was my first Superman movie, not in theaters. My
dad picked up a DVD and I was at his
place for the weekend, and I was like, I was
still pretty young. This is would have been when it
first came. It would have been a few months after
its theatrical release and it just came on DVD, and
so he picked up he bought it. Uh, and then yeah,
we watched it and I don't know why this is
where he wanted to like, I will talk more about
that when we get to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that retro but that is like the I'd
have to look and see what movie did it first,
but that does do the and ignores Superman three and four,
and it's just a sequel to one and two. That's
supposed to be Brandon Rulf is supposed to be Christmas Eve,
and then fuck I forgot Kevin Spacey is supposed to
be Gene Hackman. Kevin space Ke's coming up on these
retros we did in their beauty last year. I feel
like there's another one over in Superman like this man,
he keeps gonna give retro O. We're far We're far
past that, but I know we're gonna probably do seven
at some point in our lives.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because I forgot he was actually in
like a Superman movie, and watching Gene Hacking here, I'm like,
he kind of reminds me of some some space Obviously,
that's I think more professional side of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and Brandon Ralph looks like Chris Reeve a bit,
you know, all Superman do, but like I feel like
a lot he does. But honestly, we'll get there in
about four movies, because we got Superman two and three, four,
we got super Girl, and then we got Superman returned,
so and if people are wondering, they will be re uploaded.
But because Sam asked us, we have reviewed Steel before,
so we're not doing steal again. That's the Shack. One
one time is enough for that movie, so that is
the Superman sphere. And then we have done Man of
Steel and all his movies as well too, so they
will be in the feeds. But if you're wondering, oh,
you guys doing that, We've already done them. We don't
They've been in the last five years. We don't need
to redo those, but they're already up there. So if
you listen to this all I want more. You got
Steel and Man of Steel up there. Very contrast to
styles there. But yeah, so taya, what do you think
about watching this in twenty twenty four for the first time.
It's a nearly god, now, what fifty year old movie
soon or it is fifty already because what seventy seven
so I guess two, So it's soon to be fifteen
a couple of three years, so it's forty seven years old.
My god, geez.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it holds up. Like of course,
the effects are definitely outdated, but I think the like
the acting, in the chemistry with the characters and the actors.
I think they did a damn good job. And I
really really had a fun, enjoyable viewing of this movie.
I liked it a lot more than I thought I
was gonna like it. I thought that maybe it was
just gonna be too old, that it might be just
too much for me to kind of go into. But
after watching it, I just feel like, yeah, I just
I like those those seventies eighties films a lot more
than some of the stuff that comes out today. Uh,
And I just think that, yeah, it was. It was fantastic.
Reeves is incredible, Like just Reeve.
Speaker 1: Just read that before I get at his name is
just Christopher Reeve. Reeve, not like Matt Reeves.
Speaker 2: It's just ree Or you're talking about his whole family.
You can say that, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well you're just going to Reef. No, you're just going
to Reeve family, you know, would family. I get, well,
if you're hanging out with the yeah, I guess if
you're hanging out with the Reeves, then it's plural. But
we're not talking about them plural, Okay, But we will
see one of his sons will be in the Superman
two thousand. I hate that. I don't call Superman legacy anymore.
I just want to say that because again, technically this
is called Superman the movie. It was never called Superman,
so there's never been a movie just called Superman. Interesting. Uh,
but Christopher Reeve has a son who, funny enough, in
real life, is a reporter who is gonna be in
the James Gun Superman movie. I think that's kind of
a fun full circle.
Speaker 2: He's a reporter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a reporter. Yeah, and he fucking looks like
very much like his father. It's kind of scary, so
it'll be fun.
Speaker 3: Did the audition for Superman and well, no, he's.
Speaker 1: A reporter, Why you're not? That would have been the
most Gun gets like accused of nepotism already. Just hiring
Will Reeve, who has never acted in his life, just
to play Superman, that'd be the most nepotism higher of
all time.
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, I just think, uh, this storyline was. It
was interesting because this is like a two hour long film,
and I think, okay, you get you get a lot
of familiar, familiar things in here that I was aware
of because obviously, man a Steel, it's pulling from that
source material, which I'm assuming is just all from the
comics where he's sent a Krypton. He's Krypton gets destroyed. Yeah,
so it's gets sent to Earth. But I like how
they kind of elaborate a little bit more on on
things here with him like just being like sent off
and like, oh he was like a few galaxies away,
it took him a few years to get to Earth.
I liked all those kind of little details and just
the way that they were kind of having him just
play the Clark character is fucking great. Like you said, Kirkln,
I think he's He's definitely an actor that portrays both
that superhero and then Clark kent really really well, and
I just I can't believe how fast he was able
and just to like put it all on the line,
like Lois I Am Superman that he just really wanted
to spilled the beans but he didn't. There's he didn't know,
he did not it was all an accident. She'll getting
too in another retro. But the one scene, sorry.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very popular Twitter video. They share. It's
like an algorithm that they get share all the time.
But it is great. In that scene where he is
like all summed over as Clark, and when he takes
his glasses off, you literally like see like transform in
the moment he puts a glass song, like just little
stuff like that, whether it was Ham a director is
just great shit in this movie where he like physically
is making his body like I love Toby, but like
there's no difference between Spider Man and Peter Parker, right,
they stand the same, they walk the same, and they
sounds like everything. But like even Clark, like when I
do the nerd voice, like that's why it's usually like
park Kent because it's like, oh a loos you know, like, yeah,
the coffee is not good, like, but when he takes
all the glasses his whole he looks like a different man.
You know. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The whole sequence of him flying with lois though, and
that follows that I guess it was before. I guess
it was before actually just with her monologuing and like
can you read my mind? Like it was just yeah,
like I feel like most especially the second one, it's
just it's it's a fucking I felt like it was
borderline softcore.
Speaker 1: It's just getting I was originally supposed to sing in
that see. I didn't put in the trivia, but she
was supposed to sing in that scene where they are flying.
Speaker 3: Pretty much was just you can't see her mouth during
those scenes. That's That's really the only thing that really
kind of pulled me out. But uh, it's been fun
watching it, like because Madison has been laughing about a
lot of scenes. The second one was very comedic, but
there was a few things in here that was that
was good, mostly just with Lex Luthor though. I found
his scenes with his henchmen that was really the most
for the most part where I was laughing because I
feel like they were trying to make the comedic beats
with those characters. But everything else outside of that, I
felt like it is very serious and very like drama heavy,
and I liked it like action packed. It was fun
and the teen is just fucking super enveloped in it.
Oh my god, Oh I think so she loves it, like,
oh my Jesus, super flying around like it's like the
next level for her.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well there you go. Yeah. No, So for me,
I definitely have seen like all these movies like a
few times. We'll get to them. Which ones I've seen
more than the other ones because there if you've only
seen i'd say that, and i'd say other than Superman
one and two, the rest of them i've seen maybe
once once and a half because there's not much to
go back to. So I'm excited to talk about those.
But with this one, yeah, it's interesting because I'm, as
I've said before, I'm not a Superman guy per se.
It's one of those things. I'm a Batman guy. And
it's so I naturally did not have this in the
rotation that much. It was on TV many times, and
same thing the second one. I feel like they'd played
them back to back and like I don't know TBS
or the Sci Fi Network or something like that, right,
but so it wasn't one. I don't even know if
I owned it for a while and I just kind
of I think I eventually there was a moment where
I just wrote them off, was being super cheesy and
didn't return them for like a very very long time,
and I think it was I'd have to look at
my letterbox and might even last year was I don't know,
maybe I was. I think I was. I think I
was watching it for flash and obviously at that point
I can't remember if they had announced, I think we
knew Superman, like, oh god, I can't remember when Flash
was coming out. Did James gun Superman already? Was that
a thing like it was at cast? I think it was, right,
I think it was. I don't know, but either way,
I think i'd heard the rumblings of the reeveisms and Flash.
I'm like, okay, let me give the shot, and I'm
the same thing as you guys were. It held up
more than I thought it was gonna be. But I
think I just even liked it more than I ever
had because I feel like as a kid, I just
got like, oh yeah, that's fine. And I feel like
they even for me at that point, were feeling dated
because like I was watching Batman a bunch and those
already feel a bit more up, like mature and updated,
And then Toby Spiderman was coming out and X Men,
so I just feel like I didn't go back to
it as much, and the Superman I would prefer being
other things. That's where I'm glad you enjoy Lex. I
don't enjoy Lex and these because like Lex and the
animated series that's my Lex Luthor voiced by the Great
Clancy Brown. You know always show, he's always right, but
he's just like I've said before, he's like the Rock
but evil, Like that's what he is. Like he has
this like very is the anti Bruce Wayne, where he's
a very great public persona, seems like a friendly guy,
but then behind closed door he's a piece of shit
and he's very powerful. He's very smart, where like there's
signs lex is smartier, but it's just like I'm the
smartest criminal in the world. Like that's but it's of
course just because like the era of it, right, Like
I feel like it is playing that up, so it's
not that like it's awful, but those are definitely the
scenes where I kind of check out. But yeah, like
you guys have said Chris for Reeveman, that's where it's.
I feel like I watched it last year and then
obviously watched it again this week to prepare for this,
and I did not appreciate. I was just thought, Okay,
people love him because he's the first, right, It's like
how people love Connery, but even with Connory, it's like,
oh yeah, I love Conry, but like I still like
Craigmore and I still like Bronzeon and more. And obviously
that's some stuff like with but even Daniel Craig, I
can go, like with a bowl, I go no, I
think he's a better bond than Conry. And I could
give you all these examples, and with Reeve, I just said, Okay,
people hold on to him because he's the first one.
I've not seen those movies enough to be like, yeah,
I would defend him, But then when I watched this,
I'm like, fuck, he really is like the top tier,
like and I love what Henry eventually did with some
of the things role I do have some issues with
all those movies, right, we can check all the retros,
and I think there's times where you know, he like
improved as an actress. Things went along Remaine mass Still
he's a bit more wooden Ralph same thing. I can't
comment on. But I feel like it's just like a
poor man's Reeve. But uh yeah, Reeve is like him
and Margaret Kidder is, like their chemistry is so fantastic,
it's so fun. We talk about like the best comic
book couples, but already in the first one, it's like,
this is like a top ten one, Like easily we'll
usually wouldn't happen. Right, it's like you're gonna do a
few Spider Man's Batman's because like Spider Man, I would
never put like Peter and MJ in the top ten
for chemistry, right, I would never put like Bruce Wayne
and Vicky Vale in the top ten for chemistry. So
I feel like early on.
Speaker 2: It's a lot like about Spider Man and Gwen.
Speaker 1: I would that, That's what I was gonna say. I
would Peter and Gwen, I would Tony and Pepper in
those early films. I would like Deadpool and Vanessa, like
a couple of those people, and I guess it's still
in the nineties. I would put Keaton in Fighters, so
like as we went along or like now we just
got reading better, we should yeah, and then like and
like even like Passing and Kravitz. That's like, okay, I
feel that, but that's where I feel like they shouldn't
have been this good early on, But they just are,
both of them and Kidder. I love just plays lois
lanecause I think that happens in returns. She plays them
in just not such a way. Even in the seventies,
I thought like I could have saw them easy writing
Lewis Lane as a boring character, that just reporter that
falls in love with Superman. And she has that character,
but there's so much more, and it's I think the performance.
She has such a sass and such a wit about her.
But we'll get more in specifics. But yeah, and Reeve,
he is h He's absolutely phenomenal. Man. It's just he's
so charismatic. He I get a lot of and I'm
sure maybe he was a fan, but this feels like
a one to one comparison of the Toby Spider Man films.
But in like, not to be mean, I feel like
Christopher Reeve is that version, but like a better actor.
Like I just feel like he's so like Tolby just
someone feels very much like Toty Reeve. Like it feels
like there's a huge performance with both Spider Like when
Toby's Spider Man, that's that's nothing. Yeah, like who are you?
I'm your friendly neighborhood Spider Man and then it's just
like okay. But like with Reeve and with Reeve as
Clark and Superman, there's such a distinction and he can
turn it on so well and he's so charismatic, and
that's why last year this year, Like man, I'm always
and I can't wait because Superman or Super slash Man
the movie, I can't wait to see that documentary. And
they're they're putting in the theaters again next week, so
I'm hoping to try and see it. But that's where
he's just like it's such a shame he was not
around for like the comic com boom or he didn't
get to do like the Michael Keane thing and like
come back and be Superman because like he did, he did,
he is the og and yeah, with him, this movie bomb.
Nowadays things bomb, then wait a couple of years, reboot it.
If this bombs, I don't know if we get a
bunch of stuff because people would look and go, oh,
superhero movies, that's not a thing. That's not profitable. And
it's him, it's Richard Donner, it's it's Smart Hitter, it
is Genackman, it's everybody, it's fucking John Williams. Because like
that's what like, I oh, just so, where where where
the fuck is the rock when you need him? You
know here he is the first one and the second
one when that it's just the credits in that score,
I get fucking goosebumps every time, and just because it's
like it has such good crescendos. It's loud and powerful,
but it's like very quiet. Even stuff like Loewis and
Clark have like this, Like it's almost similar to Superman
version theme, but it's like a love version of the theme.
It's like reminds me like a Han and Lea, which
you know he did that too, but it's just like
I the score here. It's one of those things where
John Williams like I love Hans Zimmer, I love Howard Shole.
There's like, you know, I love God, like uh even
like a newer guy like Bend and Walfish or like
uh oh, I'm trying to pull anybody else right now,
but there's.
Speaker 2: So many of the Mando guy gosh yeah.
Speaker 1: Ludwig, Ludwig ye Wig. Like there's there's so many people, right,
there's so many people from this generation the old generation,
where oh they could be the best, but it's like
for how many themes this man made and how iconic
they're like I can never ever put anyone above John Williams,
and same thing. It's like it's the same thing I've
said about the movies, like I wouldn't be mad if
they use They won't for Corn Sweats or James Gunn's movie,
they won't use this theme. But for me, it's kind
of like the Bond theme where it's like, you guys
just kind of like nailed it on the first time.
It's like you can't, like I love the Man of
Steel score there, even though there's a score in Man
of Steel from Hansman, it's like, what are you gonna
do when you're not saving the world? And that's that
classic like the drums and it's going crazy, but still
just like this theme, it's like it's on a different
type of levels, the same thing as Star Wars. Like
the fucking fact that they don't use the Star Wars
theme for all their projects just bewilders me. So Williams
is another thing. And yeah, effects, like I think they
hold up for a fucking movie in nineteen seventy eight.
I think they hold pretty well. When he's flying. Of course,
sometimes you can see some you know, and you don't
see like the rope, but you just you see that effect.
But like they make it work, like I don't know,
for the most part, it's good. I think that the
the third act is probably where it falls off for me,
because like, you know, I don't love Lex's plan is
fucking just like real estate. And even like the ending
is this kind of anti like it's just like Superman
versus like an earthquake pretty much like it's just I'm
happy that to exist, because I feel like this is
way it feels like just an It is an origin movie,
but it really kind of feels like a setup movie,
like we're just gonna introduce you the world, and Superman
two is very much more like this is Superman Adventures
and more problems with this is like it takes a while,
Like I kind of forget every time when I watch
Mask Steel, like, oh, we're on Krypton for so long.
We're not on Krypton in this movie as long as
that one, but we're here. We're there for like longer
than I always remember. You know, I'm like, man has this.
I just remember it Marlon Brando like half reading lines,
sending a baby off, and that's it. But you know,
that's one thing, and it's something cool where I didn't
know back in the day that they were filmed back
to back, So it's cool to have like Zod and
all them in this movie, and then they parlay it.
And there's stuff about the second movie, which we'll get
into it. Because I had a lot of issues and
if you won't believe it, that had a certain cut
to it. So DC's had a long issue with having
different cuts and having fans rally behind a certain cut.
But yeah, overall, I enjoy this in a nostalgic way.
I could never put this in like a top ten best,
but if someone had this in their top ten of
favorites or even number one, I could understand that. It's
the same way I think for me and Toby Spiderman,
where tons of people now go, that's just such a
cheesy movie. I can't. For me, it's still my top
ten because it's just like hit me the right way.
So this movie has that same aesthetic to me, in
same feel and just a fun, cute, heartwarming movie. And yeah,
great performances all around. Like I said, Brando's kind of
phoning it in, but that was a known thing back then.
He didn't really care. So yeah, where do you want
to go? Do you want to talk about Brandow? You
guys like Jeor.
Speaker 4: Al jeorl uh I, I feel like I didn't really
know who Marlon Branda was before this, other than The Godfather,
Like I just knew that he was, yeah, attached to
the god I've never seen The Godfather, so like I
haven't seen his performance.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's one I'll have to cross off.
Speaker 1: How you know that's Taylor? You haven't seen that either,
I'm guessing Nope. Godfather one and two is often debated about.
Those are the like which is the greatest movie of
all time?
Speaker 2: And you guys, it's funny because I feel like every
time that I'm like thinking about watching one of those,
it's for some reason around when I have like a
lot of time off, like let's say, like a Christmas
holiday or something or vacation, and I'm just like I
want to jump into like a big film right now.
And last Christmas I did Departed, so that was a
nice one, and then maybe this Christmas I'll throw on
The Godfather.
Speaker 1: But it's uh, well, maybe maybe you can do it
after Penguin And because you might be in a mob
mood still be like I need some mob stuff, you
know that? And have you seen You've seen good Fellows before?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But was it? Were you just saying you rewatched it.
Speaker 1: No, I want to because that's one episode gave me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you brought that up, I'm like, yeah,
I got to rewatch that. And uh, same with uh
just because we're talking about them and my cousin Vinnie.
I remember watching that like forever ago, but I randomly
saw like a clip from it just pop up my timeline.
I'm like, I gotta jump back into that movie. I
don't really remember lots of it.
Speaker 1: But did you see nails? Movies? Stay? Were just named
off Departed, Good Fellas my cousin.
Speaker 3: Part is one of my favorites. I love that movie Goodfellas.
I've not seen though.
Speaker 1: Okay, just gotta do a Mofiel retro. But uh, yeah,
you know he was Christopher. They lots of times wrote
some of the lines on the diaper, the baby's diaper,
because this is near the end of his This is
near the end of Brando's career where he didn't care
too much. There's another movie, I think it's The Island
of Doctor Monroe or whatever it's called. He had like
an ear piece and like they gave him the lines
and he would say it. Christopher Reeve complained that he
was just kind of Phonny in. But the thing is
like he was like a huge for them to get.
Marlon Brando is a very important piece of this because
that gave him the cachet. Like fuck, he was like
top billion of this movie, you know, like when you
want it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2: That was surprising.
Speaker 1: And Reeve's third it goes Brando, Hackman and then Reeve,
and Reeve comes after the Superman credit. It goes those
two Superman and then Reeve, and you're like, that's crazy.
But it was legitim like Marlon Brando getting them getting
him kind of like like like in a mafia sense.
He made them a made man. It gave them some authenticity, like,
oh well, Brando's in this, it can't be just schlock,
you know. So even though like I think his jo
I was just kind of like he it just seems
like a vice principal reading lines off a teleprompter. For
them to get him, it was a big deal.
Speaker 2: I feel like joere L has never been like a
character I've like really liked, like like even Crow, even Crow. Yeah,
I don't know, I really just don't like that section
of the movie for Man of Steel, but just just
joor L in general, Like I feel like Marlon Brando,
he's got enough even if he is phoning them in,
Like he's just got enough like charisma to him to
like maybe maybe it's just how he looks. I'm just like,
man that that guy is a is a good actor
when I see him on screen there, So to just
have this like handsome man be the be the father
of of kala El, like, I'm okay with it. I
didn't really know, like I was saying, like Marlon Brando
was so I didn't recognize him right away, but just
just with the way that he was delivering the lines,
not necessarily in a negative sense, just like the way
that he spoke, I'm like, Okay, this must be Marlon Brando.
And then I googled it and it just blew my
mind that he was the first name on the on
the billion there. But yeah, I don't know, it's nothing
much to write home about other than what you said it.
Maybe that get of getting Marlon Brando is what got
them into the fair and in the in the first place, right,
who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he got paid I'll get to in trivia.
He got paid for a ridiculous amount for like what
he did here, he got lots of money. He had
money on the back end points too, if this was
the biggest movie of seventy eight, so like he got
a good his agent, lawyers, everybody. They were smart to
do that. But yeah, it's a classic tale. They send
them off and even like the way like Crypton or
as Marlon Branda says in this movie, Krypton looks even
like the Fortresses of Solitude, like for me, like being
a forty seven year old movie, like if it all
looks good to me, you know, because I think it's
like they you know, it sounds cheesy, but like they
know their limit and stay within it. I think even
with our day and age, or sometimes you just go
too far or they don't give people enough time and
that's why you're pushing it too far. And I think
in seventy eight they did exactly the right amount of
what they could do because most of this is practical sets,
but it's lit a certain way in a shaw certain
way where it feels sci fi or different. And so
I like the looks of all them, like even the
ship that Calark crashes, and they don't like show it off.
It's just like some big hunk of metal that's in
the ground, and then you got a fucking just naked
five year old just like excited to be there, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I, like I was saying earlier, I really
try to like picture myself in the movie theater in
nineteen seventy eight, like just trying to experience this other
sci fi adventure for the first time. And I really
like the opening actually how it like shows the sun
and then it just gets like closer and closer. It's
like an ice planet. It's just like, what the hell
happened there? But also, okay, this is an alien world
very clearly, and then we get to see Krypton, and
obviously once we get to Man of Steel, we have
a big budget to spend on this big alien world.
We can go crazy on the details. But to just
have like kind of a frozen waste with this like
interesting sculpture looking bait, like I don't know if that's
a building or if that's just like a country where
they're staying it like like it just I don't know,
like like it it is odd enough to make it alien,
and I think once you get inside you see everyone's
attire and just how it's like it's like you're gonna
laser tag, you know spot right where it's all like
the black lights on, like everyone's glowing. Yeah, and and
and you just got like an like a different aesthetic.
You have the the Cage whatever the hell it's called,
that has like Zod and Crew in like it just
feels alien once you get in there, even though like
you said, like it is just all practical effects, maybe
different lighting here and there, but they do a really
good job at making it feel like it's not on Earth.
So and then transitioning to what you mentioned about the
Fortress of Solitude, I remember as a kid just loving
the aesthetic of the Fortress to Solitude like it's it's
I was gonna say, like simple, like like it's not
as crazy like detail like it is just icicles, but
because it is just purely crystals, like like it just
it feels like something no man could make. And I
I like the idea of it just being like way
the fuck in the north, somewhere that is like completely
away from Atropolis that you know, realistically only Superman can
kind of get to. So yeah, I just I love
the imagery of it. It's stuck with me, like since
I was a kid to the point that when we
got to Returns or whatever the more, Yeah, that would
have been the first modern one, right return.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and six. I can't break him between
the Yeah, that was the trying to get it going
again a year after Batman begins funny enough.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so just getting like fortunately, like I just
like instantly seen that as like nostalgia trip of like Man, Like,
I like it. It's nice that they throughout the evolutions
of Superman, even up to Henry Cavill, like, they haven't
deviated from that design. Like it probably is a comic
book accurate thing, but it's also just.
Speaker 1: Like it's just didn't really have it though.
Speaker 3: Right, He's the spaceship with the little like oh.
Speaker 2: Right, they do. He finds it because they're in the
ice they're in, Yes.
Speaker 1: That's how they they find it in like an icy structure. Okay,
but like it is just the ship. But I guarantee
you it'll be gun back for guns. He's gonna be
They've already they already were shooting where it was like
snowy and stuff, So I guarantee it'll be very comic
book and stuff, which which is good. You know, it's
it's neat, it's it doesn't make much sense, like for
Superman just have like this ice based on Earth maybe
not like it is kind of like a weird comic
bookie thing. But I guess he needs the stores stuff somewhere,
you know, Like, so what were you tay, what'd you
think about you know, jor L Crypton opening in the movie,
all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't have much of a history
with again, the actor Brando who is playing Jeorl, but
as far as Jarrel goes, I do a little history
with him because I love the Crow version. I thought
he was super super cool and I'll never forget just
being in the theaters a Man of Steel and you
just got like the opening war on Crypton and just
the just fuck that was sweet. That was super sweet.
So that's my pre existing knowledge going into this. I
was like, Okay, we're gonna get a war on Crypto.
But no, it's just the council looking at Jeorl saying,
you know, you need to behave and Georl's like, I
promise I will not leave Crypton and then the planet
explodes thirty seconds later. It's like, what the fuck this is?
Speaker 2: He didn't he did not leave.
Speaker 3: No, So trying to understand a little bit of the
backstory there was a little convoluted because it just seems like,
I don't know, it's just it always kind of eludes
me why this advanced humanoid race would just choose to
let their son blow up and just kill them off.
Speaker 2: Only such denial too, like like like no one other
than is like Paneck draw out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fuck, I think it's just supposed to be like a
commentary on like even back then but like our world too, right,
you might not see something coming. All the signs might
be there, but if enough people don't get on board,
you're kind of kind of screwed, right.
Speaker 2: So like up the more modern versions.
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, yeah, so well yeah, I think once
we get through that and you kind of see him
return as like a hologram, I like all that stuff.
I think it was. It was pretty cool how he's
got a technically like an AI like a limited amount
of I guess responses, but it doesn't seem like it.
And as we see with obviously the mom and the
second one just they're pretty much like his parents are
pretty much there. Like it's pretty impressive. But the whole
thing was based on an assumption that he would be
drawn to this one crystal right, And because I mean
if he never what if his parents adopted parents, threw
the crystal out or just got rid of all that shit?
Speaker 1: Well you got you really got. No, you just gotta hope, right,
because when you're you're about to blow up and you're
sending your son off, you can't really do much right,
Like what what? What's the alternative? You know?
Speaker 3: Well, there really isn't any. Although when he's traveling, was
there something that was following his pod at one point
when he was going to Earth? Because I have a
vague recollection of a scene where I thought he was
moving and something was like shooting at his pod or something.
Speaker 1: Hmm, I can't remember that. I'm not sure. Was it
this them trying to insinuate about the phantom zone because
they're fucking whipping round space the whole time in the
first and second one.
Speaker 3: For I'm gonna see if I can quickly find it,
because I swear something was like shooting at him. I thought, oh,
that's kind of cool, that's like world building ish.
Speaker 2: Let me see.
Speaker 3: Someone else take it away.
Speaker 2: Though, while it's interesting in just that you mentioned the
Phantom Zone and Zod and crew. That was a big actually,
like I feel like switch around that. I was totally
expecting them to come back in this movie like that.
That's why when we get to the end, I remember,
I remember the scene so vividly of Lois going into
like the crack in the ground, him him finding her,
getting all mad, and then zooming back. But I totally
thought that was the second film because I'm like, no,
just like Zod has to be in this one, this
is gonna be when he gives up his powers. But no,
that's that's in the next film. So I was totally
surprised about that. And I mean, in hindsight it makes
sense now knowing that they filmed back to back for that,
but you know, just me watching just the first one,
it's like, man, what a bold move to introduce these characters.
Speaker 3: It was cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back then, like we were like, we're not in
like a post Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings world.
It's like that's bolth for them, like in seventy eight
Unproven Property and comic books. It's like, Okay, we're gonna
make two back to back. Here we go.
Speaker 2: And the second one didn't release for like four years,
four years.
Speaker 1: First like, oh, it can't be four.
Speaker 2: You me wrong? Hopefully, Well, I felt like it's it's
much later than I would have expected for a Back
to Bed nineteen eighty So two years, okay, two years.
Speaker 1: Then it was supposed to be one year, but they
because of the issues, they had major production stanks and
they had to do a lot of reshoots. So that
was the plan to have it just a year after.
But uh, that's life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you find there? Three L five's there? Tar Field?
Speaker 3: I'm curious if it's like an asteroid shower.
Speaker 1: Asleep, someone's shooting at him, just wakes up. So what
do you guys think about? So then we yeah, they
crash earth, we meet Mom and Pod can can't we're
with them for a little bit again, same thing when
I watched this movie, I always forget, like Man, it
takes a while before he becomes Superman. Now, not that
that's like any different because like a Man of Steel,
I feel like it takes a while before him comes Superman.
But there's just something about like I don't know why
they compared to like I guess not eighty nine because
Batman eight nine Keen's like they're right away, but just
even some of the other origin stories just feels like, oh,
this takes well, but we get young Clark. Which I
learned in the trivia I have, is that Chris p
Reeve actually recorded his voice and they just changed a
little bit, so that actor's playing young Clark gets no
dialogue in that movie. That's just chrispher Reeve's voice, like
changed it a little bit.
Speaker 2: I even go through that process unless this guy sounds
very distinct because I didn't. I couldn't tell it was
christ He looks like it was right, he looks like him.
I guess he doesn't look like Christopher, like I guess
you do kind of looks like him. But I feel
like they're close enough in age that it's like, why
not just have Christopher Reeve play It's only he's playing
a six year old, right, Like this guy the actor's
probably twenty, Like I doubt he's like an eighteen year
old or something, but he's.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be playing like for like fourteen to fifteen.
I think, right for fourteen to sixteen.
Speaker 2: The actor, I'd say at least high school, because like
they're driving right his cold code.
Speaker 1: I think Christop Reeve is supposed to be playing like
a man in his thirties, so I think they're supposed
to be like a fifteen year difference. I think that's
why they thought maybe it's funny. Half, especially Christopher Reef
was like a tall motherfucker. He would have been towering
over these kids like hey, hey Clark and then.
Speaker 2: Like watch my gear as he's looking up at him,
like yeah.
Speaker 1: But again, like we like Terry alluded, it's funny because
it's like the way you watch them and it's just
a Superman's store, but they hit on si more beats
right where there's an asshole pick on a Clark Clark
or like showing a peeces of mind. You know, I'm
showing my hand. But like I do prefer his dad
passed they via the heart attack versus the tornado. I'm
not saying it always has to be a heart attack.
I get the point here. It's a great idea, right
of he can do all these things, but he can't
say him from a heart attack. I'm not saying that
be in every movie, but as many times not a
fan of the tornado death, so I like this, Yeah, no,
don't do it.
Speaker 3: Say again has a heart attack. Don't do it so
but no, I like.
Speaker 1: All this stuff here where we get with young Clark,
I feel I get to see the formative years of
what he's gonna do. I don't think it's as deep
as Man as Steel, because like Ken Costers in that
movie a lot, or Paul King, he's in a few
seas Like I feel like he gives like some great
information to Clark, and that's the only nugget you're gonna
get out of him, because then right away like, oh no,
when he falls to the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was I couldn't really remember how he died, actually,
and it was very abrupt and quick and just the
overall kind of youth I guess of Clark here. Yeah,
I remember really liking mom Pa Kent, but like they're
really not in it that much. Like I guess it
does take some time for him to get to the Superman, uh,
I guess just becoming Christopher Reeve really with Superman. But
it feels like it took a while to get there.
But then when we get there, it's just like, oh,
now he's just he's just in the city. Now he's Superman.
He's chrisph Reef and he's working in the Metro. Yeah,
like he's doing everything. So it was kind of funny
how that secrets went in my mind. And I feel
like this is maybe where you get a lot of
the cheese when it's like his early of the powers
and when he's running next to the train, like you know,
it's it's it's good. I like how they're using the technology,
but it's just to watch it here and people's like
reaction on the train. It's just it's funny how like
Clark goes from being just so like upset that he's
missing out with like hanging out with these girls and
like dealing with like sweaty gym strip essentially, and then
like the next scene he's just like smiling, having the
best time of his life running home. So I got
a kick out of that. But yeah, I did like that. Yeah,
it took some time to get a Superman, but I
still feel like we didn't spend unnecessarily amount of time
like in that high school era, right of like dealing
with the bully a lot, or like just other like
drama in his personal life. Like I like how we
just had like a couple of skips throughout his youth
and then we get to the scene and although Mom
pap Kin aren't in it much, I still did really
like the conversation that Papa Kent gave to little Kent,
you know, before the heart explosion that he got. And yeah,
it was it was something along the lines like he's
upset that he can't be scoring touchdowns and it's just
like it's like, man, like, keep your eye on the
bigger picture. And I don't know. It was just like
a quick little back and forth that they had there,
but it was It's not a conversation that we haven't
seen already, like in superhero movies, but and specifically Superman movies,
thinking back to you know, Henry and Crow and not
wanting to get saved by Tornado, but it still.
Speaker 1: Fucking destroys a trucker's at truckers truck just outside a pub.
Speaker 2: You know, you're not gonna be going touchdowns, You'll be
destroying truckers trucks. That's more important thing.
Speaker 1: No one can defend that to me. I was gonna
ask you before because a Tales Speak moment, I'm gonna
ask him some question because that's the big debate.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We got mad of Steel and that was the complete
other way. What is like the level of cheese or
like friendliness, like because the idea is people taught, like
lots of people want to while Christopher Reeve is that
that's what I envisioned a superman, and I kind of
want that version. But then of course many people I
think we've totally four where it's like I don't know
if you can do this exact version nowadays because this
works is something from seventy eight, but if this will
come in twenty twenty five, it could be considered cheesy.
He's like, what do you like? Is are you fine
if it is more this route? Like even when he's
Clark Kent, like do you want Clark Kent saving like
daring course, but like saving trees running against trains? Like
what do you want? What do you want from this
saving trees? Which are saving cats from trees saving?
Speaker 2: I want the saving the tree version. Actually we're gonna
stop pollution. He's like teaming up with Leo or there's
just a big.
Speaker 1: Fire and he's like, you know ice breath boom.
Speaker 2: Sounded like hot breath that you just gave it to
the mic. There Clark, You're riding to the fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, early when he's still working on his powers and
Superman like like Superman burns city down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like for for David, it's interesting because I
feel like all the different versions of Superman that I've
seen now, which would have been three, is that right,
not including Anna.
Speaker 1: Reeve, Ralph and uh yeah and in the TV you
A'm seeing the TV one, so yeah, that would be Henry.
Speaker 2: So like in my mind, they still feel like they're
kind of playing the characters similarly even though it's a
different era. Maybe that's just sticking true to the source Matinal,
or maybe that's just them wanting to copy some Christopher
Reeve action because he portrayed the first live version of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Connery thing, right, Like, no matter what,
everyone's always gonna look at Conray and like okay, yeah,
what version can I do that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, So, which is funny.
Speaker 1: I don't think that people do that with Keaton, which
is funny enough, right, Like I feel like the Batman's
we get, like I don't think Pattison is like, yeah,
I don't see much, Okay. I always make my joke
that Keaton's Bruce Wayne is a fucking weirdo. But Passon's Bruce.
Wayne's a really different where we're like he didn't even
too right, Yeah, and Bail and Batflick, I wouldn't say black,
So it's kind of funny that, like I don't know why,
But like with Batman, yeah, really that's that's like another
bread and butter conversation of why is that one? Those
versions all feel very Man still feels different, but I
feel like that's more different because of like Zach and
his choice is not so much like Henry Cavi, such
a radical actor. I think it's Zach just wanted to
do like more you know, three hundred Watchman style, slower,
a bit more darker and stuff, right, a bit more realistic.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so like thinking about David, I would expect
something pretty similar along those lines. I mean, if he's
getting closer to Christopher Reeve version, I don't think that's
a bad thing at all, and obviously just a more
modern take on getting maybe friend zoned by Lois or
just just having like the nerdy side. I think the
biggest thing that I would be expecting is a clear
distinction between Superman, you know, Cala and Clark Kent, which
is what we've already talked about with Christopher even so, yeah,
I think my expectations are along there, and that's kind
of what I'm hoping for and expecting at.
Speaker 1: Least to do anything about that. And also they begin
the film with Clark.
Speaker 3: So yeah, him him growing up from being a baby
to being like a full on little toddler just walking,
never walking before, but he walked like a champion out
of that pod.
Speaker 1: He learned a lot on that pod.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot about a built things in
that pot.
Speaker 2: It just makes me wonder that his dad loaded up
for him and that that pod.
Speaker 3: It makes me wonder like when he was traveling to Earth,
like his dad saying like, oh, we've been cumulated, like emulated,
accumulated That was the wrong word, accumulated.
Speaker 1: Say that again, come believe, Can you please accumulate my
son to Earth?
Speaker 3: They have a choir that was like a mix of
acquired and accumulated together in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, gals, just like I don't know, fuck
her one last time before this planet blows up.
Speaker 3: Basically, the knowledge of several different galaxies and civilizations were
all thrown into this pod. And is it just left
to the wayside underneath this farmer's barn.
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, what else? But I feel like you keep
throwing these accusations at Durell, like with the what was
he supposed to do? Give me a better pitch, you know,
if you have the chance to send the team.
Speaker 3: At least put a note in there, s like, hey, there's.
Speaker 1: A lot incumulated sun.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of fucking knowledge here, and you know,
maybe you know, present it to your world leaders or
something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's dangerous, right it is, because they
could just fucking they They could assassinate Clark on the.
Speaker 3: Spot, comulate Clark.
Speaker 1: They could complate you have to accumulated and have in America.
But even then, like, I don't know what there is.
But like at least with Kevin Costner, Man of Steele,
you see tons of scenes and you see them on
the fire and you can kind of go, oh, this
is why he'd pick up on this. With this, you
just have Paul Kent being like, well, you're meant for
lake more and a greater purpose, so maybe you can
pick up that there is something for a human to
read in there. But yeah, I don't think there's because
it's kind of that interesting note then right where it's
like Superman or Clark or Kalel on his planet would
just be like I assume a regular person to that planet, right,
but because the sun and everything like that, this different
solar system can become Superman, right, powerful, ice, bread, all
this stuff. So it's the same thing like they get
this pod, but is there any information there that like
can benefit Earth. Really I'm sure Lex Luthor could find something,
but really it's like I feel like it's like kind
of outdated tech or like tech that's like in the
wrong language, where Okay, it's very powerful, but if it
doesn't work with anything on Earth, Like, what's it gonna be.
It's like a fucking iPhone. It's like you don't have
that iPhone charger, You're fucked, you know, like you like
it doesn't play well with others. That's how I take
the Krypton tech. It's like it's like iPhone Apple stuff
where they they could only work with each other. They
can't like fire this stuff up and be like, oh,
we've powered New York for fifty years of clean energy
things to baby Clark Kent and he's there, he's standing up,
you know, excited. But yeah, and then we go to
the Daily Bugle. Nope, we go Daily Planet. There's a
ferdy and slip right there. But yeah, and then we
meet Lois. Yeah, what do you guys think about Lois?
Whoever want's go first? I kind of talked about it
in the open Love It Love Market. Margaret Kidder, I
think she does a great job, just especially in two.
I I'm even more a fan of her and two
because she's just even a harder edge on Clark. But
uh yeah, they have great, great chemistry, and she's also
kind of like the standard bear for Lois in my
mind too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she is absolutely fantastic. She really reminds
me of Karen Allen, who plays Mirian from Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's a great positive comparison because I
loved her in Indiana Jones throughout pretty much all the
films like or all the films that she's a part of.
At least she just has great charisma, but more importantly,
like great chemistry with Harrison Ford in those films. And
then jumping over to uh, Mark, what were you saying, Mark,
Margo is Margaret or Margaret it's spelled the same way Margot.
Robbie spells her name, so I'm assuming it's Margo or Margott.
Speaker 1: Margaret, I guess. I guess it's Margot, miss Kidder Miskidder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think she's really great. Of course, how
Christopher Reeve was my first Superman, this was my first
lowesst Lane, so she was like the standard of it.
Speaker 1: I whoa, she's Canadian too, born in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories.
Speaker 2: Ken explains why we see a Canada flag in the
next film.
Speaker 1: This might be screwed me up. So she was born
Margaret Kidder, but then Margot, So that's why I wonder
if she I'd have to find an interview. But I
think that's what screwing me up. And she was born
Margaret Kidder, but then it's Margo Kidder or however you
know that spelling, so there you go.
Speaker 2: Just Kidder, so both both right? Yeah, sure, No, I
think she's great. I liked how you mentioned earlier, like
it would have been really easy to make, especially in
the seventies, like just a really stupid, like female camera
part to Superman and Clark Kent. But they really make
her like a good firecracker and like the best reporter
around and yeah, I just I don't know I really
like her in this movie, but I think that, yeah,
I think I might like her a little bit more.
And this is going like you were kind of alluding
to you there, just just kind of how how you
mentioned like how she plays off Clark Ord.
Speaker 1: And again for an example, it's not like to bring
her down and raise another one. It's just like, and
I still think she's good enough in the movie, but
like for me, it is like kim basing her a
Bamine nine where she's there, she's a lot of interest,
but she says there like be a part of the
plot for Joker to kidnap and she just loves Bruce Wayne.
Why because she just loves Bruce Wayne or like whatever.
A couple of dates and she's all spinning over him, right,
And I feel like that happens a lot where I
don't think that's the case here. And even then, like
we don't we don't explore lots of the like we
meet them two meeting together, and she just looks at
him as kind of like a lovable buffoon, right, She's
she's not necessarily mean to him. She does pick on him,
but not in a way where it's like, oh, she
absolutely hates Clark but loves Superman. She's friendly with Clark,
but that's about it. We're Superman. She's just like in awe, right,
could understand if you're in this, Like even in today's
day and age, if there's this man I can fly
around this and that, you know how many people be
trying to you know, get up up on him, talk
to him, talk to him whatever you want to talk
about what's going on nowadays, it's like they would be
one some of that Superman. So literally let him to
like land down and kind of be interested, and that
whole scene. I love this scene when she interviews him,
and just even stuff like I was expecting Sidney Ah,
just like oh what color is my underwear? It's just
like I feel like when I saw this movie before
a couple of years ago, it felt like, oh, this
movie's too prim proper would never have anything like that.
But they have some great flirting thiss and just back
and forth and everything. So no, it's some great scenes.
I agree to you. The like the flying scenes like
a little a little cheesy. It's a little like like
maybe maybe just have her say one thought, bubble, But
how she just keeps going on and on. It's like,
all right, we kind of get what's going on here.
Speaker 3: So how do you guys feel about him just outright
telling his weaknesses. I can't see through lead. I feel
like that's no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like I guess he's just like he's a
good guy. I mean, I don't think he thinks there's
gonna be a Kryptonite or anything like that. So like,
I think he's a little too overconfident there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny too, because I feel like there's
a certain innocence to this movie being like the first
superhero movie that especially now that we've gotten you know,
a million and two super hero movies since since this
one's come out, Like just certain things like how the
government would probably want to control a character like this,
Like like this isn't even really thought of in this
film at all. It's just, oh, Superman's gonna deal with it,
and that's that. Whereas like until we get later on
in just the chronological timeline of what superhero films and
and just media is like, it's it's okay to I
guess not really think about those questions.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I feel like this movie, right that
is Man still in BVS, it's very government coded about
what do we do with this and what do you
do with Batman? And there's a guy that operates outside
and shad to be a weapon like that. It doesn't
reverse when we get.
Speaker 2: To yeah exactly. And that's maybe why I'm thinking about
these things when when scenes like this happen where it's
just like oh, yeah, no, and I can't you know,
I can't see through lead and just just listing off
his weaknesses where in the film it doesn't the way
that it's being shown, it doesn't feel like it's a
bad idea without like us being on the outside like
oh no, like we've seen why this can be a
bad idea. So yeah, it's just kind of funny thinking
about it in that sense. And I had similar thoughts
once we get into the next film as well, of
just just like, man, this is kind of strange how
this is going out and they're not really asking this question.
Well you know, that question hasn't been invented yet it
comes out and.
Speaker 1: That that's not that I'm saying this is like easy,
but they got that benefit of just like doing those
very easy Superman stories, So like I said, this is
not like there's no big action scene for Superman in
this The ending is okay. Lex Luther puts like a
necklace on with some kryptonite. He gets out of that
with Miss tess Maker. We'll talk about her a little
bit later and then and like the world is going
apart and what does he do? He like pretty much
goes back in time and fixes everything. But because it
is the first like, well that's cool stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: Now imaxes him like saving a couple of people, you know,
like when the Golden gate Bridge is like going down,
and like that's kind of that's kind of the max
for action.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think could you imagine this was a climate
like this was the same scene happens in James Wan Superman,
be like, what the fuck happened here? Like what were
we doing here? The two hundred million dollars? You know?
So well, what do you think about lowis Lay in
this movie?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure at first, but her chemistry as the
scenes went on with Reeve was just fantastic. I think
that they just really hit it off. Holy smokes. I'm
trying to remember the name of her from the Man
of Steel one because she was in the office. What
is her name, Amy Adams, that's the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you go to the office. So
she's in, like what season one? She's done so many
other stuff. She's been on me ross like that lady
from the office.
Speaker 3: She's bitch. She's gonna be a math Yeah night bitch.
But yeah, I think I again she I guess aside
from returns, but I do not remember what that actress's
name is. But yeah, okay, okay, I don't know anything else.
Speaker 1: She was in to worry about it. You'll see when'll
get there. You'll see it again. She doesn't she's no
Margot Kader. Not trying to me mean, but she's not.
She doesn't. She'd had that same spa, you know, so spa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amy Adams. I liked her chemistry with with that Clark,
but it's still nothing compared to the chemistry that these
two had, Like they're just so good together, and the
way she treats Clark and how it's very different when
she's in the room with Superman. It's just maybe it's
just the way that they've tackled certain superhero stories these days.
Because I was waiting for the waiting for the narrative
to kind of unravel with Okay, she just does she
just liked him because he's Superman, Like, did she ever
really care about the Clark kind of character? And that's
where I thought they were going to tackle that, because
when she goes in this wonderful flying softcore date night
with Superman and then.
Speaker 1: Kill Clark's softcore, their clothes off and they're like they're
dry humping and everything like that. They're in they're in
compilation in each other, you know.
Speaker 3: That's right. So when she lets Clark back in and
then she's just dazed and confused and not paying attention
to Clark, and I think, Okay, that's where she's she
doesn't care about the Clark character. She cares about the
Superman character. And that's what I thought they're going to
expand upon. But it just kind of like blurs and
meshes into one and they kind of toss it to
the side. But all that, all that put away is
she's still fantastic, And I like how she's just super
super gung ho and not just a a damsel in distress.
She's very much independent in her own character and really
just owns the role. And I think it's it was
really really quite sad when she did die. I was
not expecting that, and Superman men just like pulled her
out of the ground. It did bother me, like why
didn't she just get out of the freaking car when
she saw the crack coming thirty five thousand feet.
Speaker 1: When you know that happens to me all the time
when they see something.
Speaker 3: She ran out of gas, it's like, just get out
of there. But when she died, I absolutely thought that
while they totally killed her off, I did not realize
it's funny because I'm pretty sure I heard him, like Seinfelder,
they talk about Superman like reversing time by going fast
and speed of light, but to actually get it here.
I was not expecting that at all because he was
just going, going, going, and then he had to go
back the other way to like speed time, like back
to normal. So it was super awesome and I was
definitely jiving with it.
Speaker 1: I liked the ending of him just turning back time.
Speaker 3: I liked it. I think it's unfortunate though, because she
has no recollection or knowledge about what actually happened. Like
it's nice to see how humble he is, though, because.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna tell her that power beyond.
Speaker 3: Like Shay, you died and I'm first like, you don't
know this, but first time.
Speaker 2: She keeps on cumbulating all over the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you owe me?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it was just it was It's pretty.
Speaker 3: I'm healthy guilty goes.
Speaker 1: To Pari white Clark saying some really fucking weird show.
He's saying, I owe him for saying the world to
the Superman. I'm glad you like it because I fucking
that's something that is like, Okay, first comic movie. I
get it. It's a complic idea. I hate the holes
like going around the world Like it's just like it's
such a cop of like it just kind of it.
It almost feels not to the same degree, but it
feels close enough to like and it was all dream
like that type of ending, except one person remembers it's
just like there's no Steakes there. Lois is just back alive,
everything's fine, and it's just kind of like, why does
he not just do this every time thing goes to
ship then?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like why like because it's not that he says Lowis,
they show like a bunch of stuff goes backwards. Would
assume that he's saving more stuff. So it's like anytime
you know, something bad happens, he wants like a do over.
He should just start.
Speaker 3: Fucking lock Zod back up in the prison.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, the second Zod showed up here, and then
like well back to the square one. I know Zod's
gonna land here.
Speaker 2: Just keeps doing that until Krypton's fine.
Speaker 1: Until he gets back to his dad. Even with the
heart the heart attack, you know, like there's lots of
things he could do. So yeah, like I said, it's
it's fine. It is what it is. It fits in
this world. But it's just such a Stuerman's already a
god character. But that's like a that's like a legit
god power of like, oh, by the way, I can fly,
I'm improving the bullets. I have ice breath, heat vision,
I ca an X ray vision. But I can also
fly around the world so fast. I can time travel
pretty much, like wow, like I got a huge dick.
Speaker 3: I think that there's definitely some stuff that needs to
be like, fine, you're talking about and explained a little
bit more when it comes to that, because when you
have the let's say the flash. The flashes actually to
me I see him actually traveling back in time. But
if you, as Superman are just spinning around the earth
very fast to make the Earth start rotating backwards, that
to me, that does not reverse time. To me, that
swaps like the fields and earthquakes and it literates the earth,
Like the earth would literally just fucking like ties and everything.
That would be terrible. It would just be mass destruction.
Speaker 2: Can you like for him to get it precisely back
to the exact same rotation, like fuck off?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine to the moment where he thinks of
a guy and the lands and earth it's just destroyed,
Like he's like human, the race is now extinct because
he like wanted to fly backwards and just everything.
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, like the tsunamis everywhere. The ocean is
not going to sit idly by with the tides like
it just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: But this is the picture's family and penguin just yeah,
what happened? I was Superman flew around the world again?
Fuck I thought he was done.
Speaker 2: With that, or if it like actually worked that he
like saves time and then spinning it back causes like
a massive tidal wave. Then Lowess dies by drowning.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like time machine. No matter how
many times he goes back, she keeps dying like it
was a rock slide.
Speaker 2: What's but what's like canon event?
Speaker 1: Can he what happens if he goes the other way though?
Speaker 2: You know, like up and down?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like when is he going for? Is he going forward
in time? Now?
Speaker 3: And then the north pole becomes a south pole and
it's just the whole the whole world just fuck.
Speaker 2: I feel like it would just be the same thing
if he spun the other way, you know, would be
upside down. Yeah, okay, no, it makes no fucking sense.
I'm right there with you. I I don't like it.
I I'm okay with it, like it being the first
Like I'm glad Henry Cavell's not doing this or what's
the other chain rouse?
Speaker 1: What's his first name? Brandon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like I'm glad that it kind of died
in this movie because it does it does bring up
so many other questions like why doesn't he use this
every single time? Or just there's no consequence to even
doing this, like like we're talking about like I feel
like it would destroy the whole fucking atmosphere. Of Earth
and the moon would be confused like it like it
would just be it be hell hell, And I askt it.
Speaker 1: Feels so weird, like it's not like set up at all.
They don't talk about that. It's not the exact same
one to one. But I always say, I wish when
the first Captain America came out, I was in the
theater besides someone that didn't know Captain America. And that's
gonna be Avengers because if you think about that movie, right,
you're watching World War two movie where they're like a
super soldier and it ends and then all of a
sudden he wakes up in twenty twenty twelve and you're like,
what the fuck is this movie? Like why is he
like in present day? But that has more set up?
That's what this is like, Like imagine like just anybody
like I don't know, like imagine if Sam will and
then fucking thought like Cataka brand New World, like throw
out those wings. They went around the world and then
he just turned time. It's just like like it's it's
such a I would love to be in the room
of like who had that idea? Who pitched it? Like
and I'm sure, like I said, seventy eight, sure that
that was a great idea, and I've worked for back then, right,
I'm sure most people just accepted, like, oh, I guess
Superman can do that. And I feel like there was
of course there's critics and people that reviewed films, but
I don't think films got dissected the same way that
they do now. Like we're a couple of Joe Schmos
that didn't go to film school reviewing stuff. There's people
all the time after they see a movie that are, oh,
I didn't like this, and that's what letterboxes, right, fucking
letter boxes like criticism for anybody you can just go
on there. So it's just like I if this were
happened today's like you said, Cavil or like cornsw coming up,
it would just get like that's a fucking raw movie
right there. That's like all the ending was terrible ending. Shit,
they didn't know what to do and like what are
they reshoots? You know, like all I could see I
can see it now, you know.
Speaker 2: And because we've because we've had so many of these movies,
I feel like the filmmakers are actually going through the
effort of trying to explain even if even if the
science is like doesn't maybe make sense. They explain it
in a way that it would make it like Tony
with the like time travel right, like like like we
don't go into too much detail, but he is like
an infinity symbol and he moves some pieces here and
there's some big flashy lights and he says some big numbers.
It's like time travel. It's like, okay, well, at least
he did something right, like like he did some math.
I think I don't know, I don't know exactly what
happened there, say something, and like thinking back to this
scene when I when I was a wee young lad,
like I didn't have any issues with it at all,
And I think, in hindsight, maybe I just didn't fucking care.
It was just a cool scene. But like I think,
mostly what it does, even though it is kind of bullshit,
it maybe just shows that there is like limitless potential
to Superman's powers, like like he is just the all
powerful being that like okay, he's immortal, he's bulletproof, but
like also just he can turn back time. And I
did not remember like Marlin coming in here and be
like don't you can't interfere with human history? Don't do it,
Like I don't remember that hesitation at all. And it's
funny that it's in there because it doesn't really even
mean anything, Like he just ignores his dad fixes the
problem and it's fine and there's no consequences, even though
he's like the one thing you can't do, you can't
interfere with human history, and it just it's funny how
it does not matter at all.
Speaker 3: They're dead. It doesn't matter the same thing does happen
in too, Yeah, but like I just feel like they're dead,
Like he can have respect for them, but they're dead.
They got no say or sway or accumulation on what
happens to this planet.
Speaker 1: So future sneak beginning Taylor's household when the ghost of
his dead parents are in there. You're dad, You're dead.
You have no say here. You just like you're going
through something there. So let's see here I talked about
you guys said anything more on Lex Luthor and test Maker.
I think it's like I guess she makes sense of it,
but like very weird. The test Marker just sexually assaults
Superman at the into this movie when she just kissed him,
Like I didn't think i'd get a chance to it's
like oh okay, and he's super like yeah, he's like,
oh that's all right, missedat Smoker.
Speaker 3: But it's just like they're just like every ready to
go down right there.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't gonna do that, but he was happy
to receive the kids. But just all these women are
just fucking just like even if it takes casting him
while he like has Krypton and he's like, I'm dying
like she I'm gotta get a kiss from Superman, you know.
But yeah, I don't really, I don't think anyone's bad here,
Like Hackman's having a fun time, but nothing I really
As I said in the beginning, uh look forward to
him and rewatching this movie. That's the moment when like, okay,
I can kind of tune out for a second cause like,
and again, that makes sense. It's seventy eight. He can't
have like a big battlesuit. Army can't have a big
space plan. So it's like, what's his plan to do
some real estate, like you know, terrorist activities, some very
shady stuff. So it makes sense. But uh, yeah, not
a highlight for me in this film. Definitely probably the
thing I rate at the bottom is all all of it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, I would easily say top five favorite
aspect of this movie. Maybe top three.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I really do like Gene Hackman in this In this
role of it's like he's a greasy salesman like more
than anything, and his like power and influence it's not
really like shown. It's just like Okay is in he
lives in the sewers, but he's got like a nice bookshelf,
so he's got like I imagine he's got some power
and money and influence, and like you just kind of
running with it, like I don't know if it's a
facade and he's just like totally just show like like
like pretending that hell, all this influence, he clearly has
like assets, you know, jumping into him in the next
when we get a certain prison escape, like like like
he has resources, but it's almost like a doctor Eggman
type thing where it's like we don't really even ask
the question where his money comes from or like how
he is in this position. He just has an underground
base and he's got lack, he's on his payroll, and
he's got all these other access to things, and I
think it's just because because I've seen that type of
villain in so many other avenues, probably like cartoons or
I already made the Doctor Egmann comparison. It's just I'm
okay with it, Like I don't really need the explanation
at all in this film. I think it also just
fits with this being like in the seventies and it
just being the first Superman, Like it just it just works.
I'm not really I don't really find myself asking those questions.
And I think because Gene Hackman is just really good
and Otis or whatever the hell is his first lackeys,
Oh it is Otis, Like it's almost stooge like humor
around that character. But like I don't normally like that,
but I liked it here. I think it partly because
I just what I couldn't remember like that level of
humor being in this film. I remembered it being a
lot more serious than it was, but it was it
was welcome. Yeah, Like maybe maybe that was my worst
joke around Otis, but uh it. But like still in
that scene, he's like showcasing he's gonna kill, like he's
literally just gonna destroyed the San DRIs fault and kill
millions upon millions of people, and then you have like
this little moment of Otisville and it's just it's kind
of strange, but in the moment I still kind of laugh.
I think it's ninety percent just Gene Hackman like bouncing
off of the scene and really selling it to me.
But yeah, I do really like this this lex here,
and I don't really remember the spacey performance from uh
from Returns and then I guess the other one would
have been, oh my god, what's that Chap's Nameberg? Heisenberg? Eisenberg? Eisenber?
Speaker 1: Was Heisenberg? Remember?
Speaker 2: But I didn't get that, which, yeah, I wasn't a
big fan of Eisenberg. So and I don't remember, like
I remember seeing him in the animated series, but I
don't does it animated series or Justice League?
Speaker 1: No boat, he's in Superman and Justice League. Yeah, okay, yeah,
he's always popping up.
Speaker 2: I would have seen him then at some point, because
I remember watching the Justice League show, but uh, I
don't really remember like the actual performance, but I don't
know just from what you've described in past and kind
of compared it to a rock like character, It's like, yeah,
I do like that lex in my mind, but this
one always is a special place because it is my first.
Speaker 1: It is a special place. But do you think it's
like reverts to go man, that that's a very you know,
it's like a little cheesy. Yeah, Like I feel like
with everybody and even like the animated stuff will see
but like I still have every faith in the world
with Nicholas Hole that he's gonna be like the Luther.
He's gonna be that he's gonna take the role we
just talked about with Colin Ferrell. It's like, okay, he's
Penguin now. Until someone can get anything like that, I
feel like Holth has a good opportunity to do that
because even hackmen like even like his hair is not
shame like, he's not like that like where this they
look like they're gonna fall out Eisenberg. If you like Eisenberg,
more power to you that that to me is nowhere near.
Like I haven't seen Spacey's performance in a while. Spacey
sounds like on paper a great choice, right, like everything
aside you think, oh come spaces like Luthor, that sounds great,
But I feel like Holt has a real shot to
make that his own, like kind of cement.
Speaker 2: That way be like the benchmark for the character. Yeah,
I think that's I think it's entirely accurate. I think
he's got great potential there and I definitely believe that
he can achieve that. And it's funny because I don't
think it's going to be a similar performance to like
what Gene Hackman is or Eisenberg, like, I think it
is going to be his own, but I can still
see I could like picture Nicholas Holt playing a Gene
Hackman Lex Luthor like. I think he can hit all
the levels of the of like the comedy or maybe
like the goofy character, but also hit the serious stuff.
So although I'm not expecting that, it's just kind of
funny in hindsight comparing the two, But I am very
much looking forward to that. And you asked a question there.
I think at the early portions before you brought up
Nicholas Holt just maybe or no, you're just have a
more modern Lex luthor. Yeah, I looking at the Gene
Hackman role, I don't I don't think I want to
see it in a modern superhero movie, especially with like
the otis humor around and miss oh my gosh, what
was her name? Tennenbacker? Test Mocker, test test Mocker.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be in Superman Legacy as well too?
Speaker 2: So is that like a is that like an important
comic book?
Speaker 1: It's always like good, this like lacky secretary sort of person. Yeah,
seen as though, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean with that being said, I I'm excited to see
the new version of the character. I don't think there's
much here other than just her being the one that freeze.
But like, really you could have had like Otis's mom
be in peril and be like oh, and then he's
the one that like like you don't need her in
this role. I I, I guess I like the idea
of having a third member so it's not just like
Lex and Otis against the world, like like it makes
a slightly more sense that they have some more help
or especially like when they're when they're stealing like the
nuke like that secret Like I really like the way
that scene plays out. I think it reminds you of
spies like us and in many different ways. If any
of you have seen that movie, but it's just I
don't think I have no, I don't know really, Okay, Taylor,
have you don't seen Spies like Us. That's a you movie.
That's got to be you movie.
Speaker 1: Fuck, you know what?
Speaker 3: The name sounds so familiar. I think I had it
to my watch.
Speaker 2: With dack Roid and Chevy Chase.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why I wouldn't have seen it, not Chevy Chase.
Speaker 3: It's number one on my on my watch list.
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney's in this movie, you buried the lead right there?
Speaker 2: I buried the lead. What does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney's Oh, he just did a song. You don't know.
Buried the lead means?
Speaker 2: Though, I like, are you saying I did that? Like
I did crucial information from you?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly? You you the
most important. But you're fine because he just did a
song for he's not starring, but there was a poster
of remember him in that movie at all, So that's
why it's just but it was for the it was
just the album cover for the song, but there's a
poster of all Through Together. I'm like, wow, didn't tell.
Speaker 2: Me this, but yeah that that probably around this era
of me watching Superman for the first time was when
I got introduced to spies like Us, and I love
that movie. But uh no, I I I yeah, I
really love that the way that scene carried out. But
for for miss miss t very yeah, just nothing much
more than the next.
Speaker 1: See I hate that ship. I hate every like five
minutes in a Lex scene and he's like, but that's
what it's just so like, you know, But I get
there for it and it worked for what they're going for.
So any more thoughts on Lex Taylor.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of problems with him again,
like he just to me felt like the comedic relief
whenever he was popping in there and he's explaining like
his diabolical plan. But uh, I love that he didn't
explain and go into full on detail about what he
was trying to do with the like during the process,
because like when he had to be serious and had
to be very cunning and intelligent.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: I liked how he used the certain like dog whistle
frequency to speak only to Superman with everyone else's song.
I thought that was great. Like that fucking work?
Speaker 1: Why does that work? Like what if? It's like, I
don't know, it's all odd.
Speaker 3: Because dogs have only dogs can hear things we can't, Right,
there's certain frequencies and I think meant, if you know
this guy's got Superhero, it makes perfect sense because nobody though.
Speaker 2: And he's just fucking messing with all these dogs for
no reason. He's like, Superman, you're out there.
Speaker 1: I'll kill get here. And it's like half an hour
and he's like, Wow, I guess I gotta destroy all Metropolis.
Here we go.
Speaker 3: But that's that too. I really did like because, yeah,
he threatened Superman by having a gas bomb in the city,
which is all just a hoax. It was really just
to get him down there, just to detain him so
that he could put off his his true plant, which
I thought that was great. It was brutally menacing and tactful,
and I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I did not realize that there were two missiles when
I saw this, So when they messed up their first
attempt because the guy did the wrong that, I would
just the wrong number. And then they just showed up
at the second missile with a fucking big rig and
all this stuff. I was like, how the fuck did
they prepare to like rebound and go back in with
this huge because they're towing a massive house. It's like,
how did they fucking plan this to like within ten
minutes after doing their.
Speaker 2: Whole new wardrop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like how did they? But then I realized, oh,
it was the second fucking missile. It was a different
crew that they were approaching. That makes sense, But I
like that. I just wish that the motivations were a
little bit more uh devious, instead of just you know,
I bought up all this land in behind California, and
I'm gonna drop the California fault line so that I
have the beachfront property and my property will be worth millions.
It's like that's a bold plan, Like you really think
people are gonna be buying up property on a fucking
earthquake like missile site, Like it's just the old economy
is going to be tanked San Andreas.
Speaker 2: Fall goes down.
Speaker 3: That's right, your property is gonna be with jack shit.
So that that's that's all I really have for that.
I think. Other than that, he was he was enjoyable.
That was a Lex Luthor, miss test mocker. She was
funny and I like that. She Her kryptonite was just
you know, you gotta promise you saved my mom first,
which he did. He's very noble and honorable. Yeah, she
sexually assaulted Superman and then Otis is just uh, he
was really down, so.
Speaker 1: Serious, like you're in a fucking lawyer like rooms. Yeah,
and she's sexually assault Superman just like again.
Speaker 2: Probably the one only case in history that's like one
of one of Superman or like of super sexual assaulting Superman.
You know she's in prison, she could like use that
as Cloud Kane.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because that I did. We know, we know,
shut the fuck up, it's just the kids, calm down.
Uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know that answer.
And the top of my head about Superman's history there,
but I guess she's still a shit charac though, because
like if everyone wasn't apparel, she was just she was
fine with them all night. I guess right, true, Yeah,
you're an asshole.
Speaker 2: That's how.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Like the sequence when Superman gets the dog Whistle and
then he finds Lex's base and we don't really see
like the drilling technique used much. I feel like it
fits in like this era of Superman because it's not
that hard to edit him like spinning around really fast
and then he just drills right into the earth. I
don't think i've really seen Superman use that power other
than here, But I like when he goes to the
door and then otis just like goes up to it
and then he's like, I think he's here, and then
the door is just like protruding further further breaks down,
and then Gene Hackman's hit in the chair. He's like,
he's like, don't worry, I'll send you a bill for
the door, and like just those little wild one liners.
I didn't write down many of them, but I feel
like most of them hit for me. And if you
have a different like you know, if you have a
lesser actor in that role, I think those are just
really all flat. But because Jane brought a certain something
to the role, and I feel like it just shows
how much I watched these movies as a kid, where
I feel like I've seen Gene Hackman in so many things,
and I was going through his IMDb and it's really
just Superman. I think that I've witnessed him in some
maybe random minor roles here and there that I might
be forgetting, but you just seem so familiar, and yeah,
I think it is just because I had these movies
in such a heavy rotation back in the day. But yeah, no,
I thought he was great.
Speaker 1: Anything else specifically. Also, we looked at it. I notes,
we've touched upon them all for me.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I was just looking at young Frankenstein. Fuck,
he was in there too. I was looking at Jean's
just as a roster. He's an ants. I wonder who
he voice is in there.
Speaker 2: Probably I saw it on there earlier. That's why I
know character nam mandible.
Speaker 1: There you go. All right, So Trivia Time casting director
was the first one, or Lynn Stellmaster was the first
one to suggest Christopher Reef for the tyroll. But Richard
Donnard and the Soclans who are the sal Kinds. There's
the people that were the producers. I'm not sure how
it worked as far as WB. I don't know if
they owned all of them yet, they were just working
with him, I don't know, but they felt that he
was too young and skinny. Nevertheless, we've did an excellent
screen test that blue directors and producers away. Once he
had the part, he had underwent a strict physical training
session for months, going from one hundred and seventy pounds
to two twelve. Which is funny because I've talked about
this with like on vodgra Shey with Scott. He's brought
us so many times. If you can find photos and
stuff of Christopher Reeve not in the suit, like half
naked at the beach or something like that, guy is
fucking ripped in great shade. This coustion does no favors man.
It just smooths him right the fuck out. He just
he's still like it is funny because like, uh, to
obtain muscular or detain muscularity to convincedly place with man,
Christopher we went underwent a body building regime regiment. My god,
him sucking up every word tonight, supervised by David Prowse,
the man who played Darth Vader in the Star Wars trilogy.
Chris we worked out so much during the making of
this film that the traveling match shots taken of him
the beginning they shoot did not match the later ones.
They had to reshoot it. So they learned to reshoot
scenes because he got bigger like later on in the movie.
So like, I know there's footage and I've seen footage
of him. I don't know if it's a test screen
or something. Before he starts waking working out on this
and he's even smaller. But it is funny that he
did get bigger for this and he isn't in shape guy,
but this costume, yeah, it just smooths you out and
it does not doesn't make him look like he just
still looks like a scrawnye or Superman. He's a tall
guy and he got some broad shoulders, but like, uh yeah,
go to below below, to the next one of these ones,
like oh yeah, that one right there. No, no, well
that one too, but that one right there. Yeah, when
they get the whole chest wings back, look at him
right there. That's fucking but like you don't see that
in that suit, that suit, he just looks like his
broad shoulders and he's fit, right, but like he put
on the fucking bounds he was doing it. Yeah, look
at that. Look at that comparison photo. Get the black
and white one and then the chest. Uh they just
look at that.
Speaker 2: Did they have much like shirtless scenes the day?
Speaker 1: Oh? In that just in general, I don't think it
was known as like the like the same way as
far as like, hey I'm not going to drink a
bunch of water day because I got a shirtless scene.
I don't think it was like that, because we've talked
about it even hairs okay, as we've seen how things
have changed. But like, I don't think it was like
get ready for your your naked scene day. I think
maybe women, but I don't know if men had that
pressure yet. Well now I think men had that bit more.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just interesting because like I feel like
there's easily a scene you could have in here where
he just you know, PARPs off and he's showing off
the work that he put in. Should have because yeah, no,
absolutely should have, but maybe it was just like distasteful
for like movies back then. Like I don't know, I just, yeah,
it's an interesting thought.
Speaker 1: Jehanna's Clark during his little coffee a little stash just
fucking ripped the nines. But yeah, he's like he said,
the suit was not kind to him. But on the
first day set. I love this story. Marlon Brando suggested
to Richard Donna that the cameras roll during rehearsal because randomly,
Brando reportedly says, who knows, we might get lucky. According
to Donner, the very first take was the one that
was used in the finish film. Brando was notoriously lazy,
putting a little uh and was constantly pulling little stunts
like this to lesson his workload because even complained about him,
and interview is saying he's phoning it in and it shows.
But that's just so funny, like a way of being like, oh, yeah,
who knows where I get lucky. But it's just his
way of trying to like not do more scenes and
everything like that.
Speaker 2: So I can't imagine like film was like cheap at
all in this air when they had like non digital,
like full on film reels to just make that request, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to maintain connuity. Christopher We've dubbed. I already said this. Yeah,
he dubbed all the teen lines for himself, which is
which is I wonder how the actor felt, like, oh,
I get the scene in a movie I'm playing out
Christopher Weave, you know, and then like, yeah, your voice
is gonna be all gone, so there you go. Gene
Hackman refused to cut his mustache to play like Luthor
in Early one, She's the movie his face featured mustache
for Richard Donner and Hackman I met face to face
Donner for post. Hackman that he would shave his mustache
and Donna would shave his two and Hackman agreed to it.
Later on, it turned out that Donna did not have
mustache at all. He wore a fake mustache and pulled
off at the last moment. So that's amazing, what a
what a slimy good way to get the role and
everything like that, But hey, I do it. Mamon Branda
was paid three point seven million plus a percentage of
the gross someone while I'm talking finally with the inflation
of three point seven is compared to now because three
point seven back then? Fuck but u Brando did not
appear in the sequel because he had sued the producers,
claiming they had not paid him his percentage of profits.
He ultimately received about fourteen million dollars for ten minutes
of screen time. Foot Whiche was used in Superman Returns
with okay actually feeling that putting fourteen million in nineteen
seventy eight versus now, what is that?
Speaker 3: That's about the three point seven.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, because he's total about fourteen. Now that's reknit,
So what fourteen was it? That's gonna be like? What
is that close to? Am I wrong on saying I
could be close to one hundred.
Speaker 3: Million, fourteen million in nineteen seventy is equivalent and purchasing
power to about sixty seven point five millions.
Speaker 1: Okay, so about almost thirty million, shy of one hundred
but still ten minutes. Yeah for ten minutes. Yeah, fourteen
million for ten minutes.
Speaker 2: It's the power of the Godfather baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah hundred recent. Oh yeah, I told you guys about
the diaper and everything. That the film was planned in
three years and shot in two. At the height of filming,
over one thousand full time film crew were on eleven
units that were spread over three studios in eight countries.
Over one million feet of film was used, Like we
were talking about one million feet of film was used.
Had the biggest production budget of any film at the time.
So it was a big honking deal. Let's see. Even
obviously it's changed so much, but think about this. In
its initial run, the film was top the box office
charts for thirteen consecutive weeks, So for thirteen weeks number
one movie in the world. Just crazy. So uh. Spielberg
was initially offered chances directed, but the producers balked at
the salary he had asked for. Did They decided to
wait and see how Jaws was gonna go, which he completed.
It did go to the box office with successful credits
they offered to him, but then he passed Zori on
other projects. So it's kind of like, Okay, let's see
what Jaws does, and then he does it, and then
it's like, well, I'm already doing other stuff. Sorry, not
gonna happen, but I think it worked out the way
worked out good. Richard Donner first as Jerry Goldsmith, who
we love. We talked about his score in the Planet
Apes movies to do the score. He agreed. However, scheduling
conflicts came about. John Williams eagerly replaced Goldsmith, who would
six years later write the music for Supergirl. So kind
of funny we talk about this John Williams piece. Many
people would have this as like they're number one for
a single track. He's done. He wasn't even the first choice,
you know, he was the backup guy. So kind of crazy.
Christophe was picked over from two or picked over two
hundred actors in the addition, so pretty big. Carrie Elwis,
do you guys know from Princess Brand The Bride Saw
He worked as a production assistant whose job was to
bring one Brando out of the trailer every day. Brando,
who has paid one million at the time a day
in averages, had little incentive to leave his trailer. According
to Always and Have You Given, he refused to call
him by his actual name and gave him the name Rocky.
So that was carry El's was job. Yeah, that was
his job for a week, was just to get Brando
to and from set and everything like that. The movie's
original ending had Superman same California, restructuring the Sandreas Fault
and then throwing the second missile into space, which cracked
the Phantom Zone and released the three super villains Turning.
Turning the World round was originally conceived for the ending
of Superman two to make Lois forget the secret ending,
which we will talk about. So they had talked about
doing this ending there, so.
Speaker 2: You're really doubling down though on the it we gotta
do that we gotta have? Is that a comic book thing?
Speaker 1: Do you know what? Okay? Apparently the kisses that we'll
talk about, but not the thing and the kiss.
Speaker 2: Trivia testing boers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one. Yeah, he loves the ladies love finding
him and just waiting till he's sleep. And then finally,
Robert Redford, Clint Eastwood, and James conn were all off
of the movie's title role. All three turned it down.
Redford wanted too much money. Eastwood said he was too busy.
That's that's a cast in. Like, no fucking way. Whoever
thought other than Big Star, whoever thought Clint east Wood Superman? Like,
that's to be like an ant bitch. And like if
you're saying, hey, she've been such a hit, we want
to do a Batman movie next, Clint, I can buy that. Okay,
Clinton is Batman, Sure, Clint is Superman.
Speaker 2: Maybe like a very dark Superman, you know, he's killing
people and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a bizarre or something. And then Con said
he read a script that was a hysterical script with
Superman doing loops and loops and ship. Marlon called me, so,
what the code says loops and loops and shit? Con said,
Mario Parso wrote a hysterical script with Superman doing loop
the loops, sh and shit. Marlon called me and said,
come on, you gotta do it. I need some laughs.
And I said, yeah, but you don't have to wear
the cape. No way, I'm getting that silly suit because
him and brandall worked together on Godfather, So and that
was the story that he apparently did try to get
gone to be Superman. Just so like he just hang
out with someone he knew on set for the time
for like the ten days he was there whatever, the
ten hours he was there in filming time. But yeah,
Brando near the end, funny guy. Again, if you go back,
he's been multiple great performances and he's, you know, great.
If you talk to every actor that's from the eighties
and nineties, they list Brandos their inspiration. So this is
just more near the end of his life where he's
just like, you know, definitely just get some paychecks. But hey,
he's getting big ones. So yeah, I'll go first because
I don't know if I'm the lowest. I'll give this,
like I'll go in eight at a ten. I think
maybe quality wise for me, it's like a seven, but
I think there's some magical element to it. It's something
like and it is stuff in that era. But there's
tons of shooting there too, right, there's tons of movies
right like today, like I would say Dune two has
this where it's like there's just movie magic you can't
put your finger on it. It's just like perfect stuff
in the air. And I think this movie has the
movie magic. So that's why I would go as eight.
I have some cons. It's not one that I'm constantly
wanting to rewatch, but like I said, I've watched it
a bit more of these past few years now and
I appreciate and like it more so who knows, we'll see,
but yeah, that's where I am at eight out of ten.
Speaker 3: I would probably go nine out of ten. I really
really liked this movie. It's not a perfect film though,
so not giving it the full ten out of ten,
but I liked this so much more than I was anticipating,
and I was just having such a great time. Of course,
the story could have been a little bit better, like
you said before, with Lex Luthor's kind of whole plot
of just I want to own the real estate and
just be making millions of dollars off of all this
land that I own by sinking the fault Lions in California,
that's a whole debacle that I just was not super
super game for. But yeah, I think at the end
of the day, I will gladly rewatch this. I'm gonna
have to confront my dad and be like, hey, why
didn't you let me watch this when I was young?
Speaker 1: Well, Thanksgiving this weekend, Taylor, so you can confront them there. Yeah, Hey,
I got a problems. Matter of fact, I got a
fucking question, and just like, why do you let me
watch Superman?
Speaker 3: And I watched Superman we have against Christopher Reeve. Uh,
so that'll be something I asked. But I think, yeah,
if you haven't seen this movie, you should go watch
this movie because I'm certain glad that we wretchered it,
and I'm excited to go through all the remainder like
Reeve Superman movies. And I've heard Quest for Pieces maybe
called Quest for More Money.
Speaker 1: But we'll see when we were when we get to
three and especially for we're gonna get to some rocky
territory Supergirl I really don't have much memory of, but
three and four have some questionable choices. I would say,
just just expect for the you know, the pendulum to
swing the other way so they'll make some fun reviews.
Speaker 2: So that we're starting hot Yeah, flashbacks to the Planet
of the Apes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which is funny because we're not going to
cover but Tim Burton almost made a Superman movie. Remember
he was making that one. Nick Cage Yeah, oh yeah
yeah with Christopher could have been on him, we could
have been Yeah, what could have been?
Speaker 2: What could have been? I Yeah, I really love this movie.
I think there's definitely some datedness to it. There's some
some things that age like fine wine though with it,
and uh yeah, just some big what the fuck moments
with the time adjustment that happens at the end. I
think I'm pretty happy with giving it a solid nine
with Taylor Field on there, out of ten. Yeah, I
I I think there's just a lot of a lot
of good, like core foundation to this movie that just
really paves the way for future comic book films in general.
And yeah, Christopher Reeve's fantastic sporting cast is great around him.
But there's definitely some things that are make it a
little bit messy, So I think like it could have
been lower, But because I just have so much nostalgia
for it, it's it's fantastic. It's not one I'm gonna
be rewatching quite often, but I think there's just something
special to it. And at John Williams score Man, I
randomly oh yeah, I was in Banff on the weekend
threugh on just you know, classic Hotel TV. Revenge of
the Sith's on there, so of course I threw on
some Revenge of the Sith watch the entire thing, and like,
Man's just like any like Star Wars theme. Now, I
feel like, in the back of my mind I combine
them with the Superman theme and like to get it here,
it's just oh yeah, John Williams and his magic and
just putting his little his little special stardust on everything
that he that he does, and both fantastic scores, but yeah,
this one is This one's definitely like top tier superhero
theme in general.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, then well there we go. We
will be back with another episode covering Superman, You and
We'll be born.
Speaker 2: Bye bye mm hmm