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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Jim and Lindsay from the Children of

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the Eighties podcast, and.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast,

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hosted by our friends Dee and Jason.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello again, Hello, Hello again. Welcome back to Shirley listeners.

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We are back for the second part of a nineteen

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eighty four album matchup. First part was last week. It's

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Brian Adams and Reckless, a mind endingly awesome album, and

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now we have its contender, Heartbeat City by the Cars.

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Speaker 3: Two great albums. D this is gonna be tough. We

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gotta go track by track to figure this one out.

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Speaker 1: It is a great matchup. So I had somebody ask me, like,

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why these two albums, and I was like, well, they

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both came out in nineteen eighty four, they're both forty

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this year. This one just passed its fortieth birthday back

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in March, and I mean, why not with hits.

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Speaker 3: They're absolutely loaded with him and had some great videos

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on MTV.

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Speaker 1: We hear stories about all kinds of bands, you know,

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outside of the bands themselves, but these are a couple.

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I mean, Brian Adams and his band and the Cars

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are a couple of groups that they just kind of

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fly under the radar. They are bands that like everybody

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loves you know, you can be a cowboy.

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Speaker 3: Aiks Blood Blood, we be Yes.

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Speaker 1: Everybody loves them, right, everybody loves them. That's right, and

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and it's true for both, you know. They just they

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make good music and they mind their own business and

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they kind of get overlooked because of it. And so

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why not compare these two killer albums from nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 3: Yeh, I've got another connection, which I know you know,

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but I'm gonna put it out there for our listeners. Okay,

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So what do Brian Adams, the Cars, Shania Twain, ac DC,

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and def Leppard have in common?

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Speaker 1: They have Mutt Langa in common.

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Speaker 3: Mutt Lang produced Heartbeat City. He actually produced Waking Up

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the Neighbors, which is second album after Reckless of Brian Adams,

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which sold a bazillion copies in the early nineties. Yeah,

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and so they both have gone to school with Mutt Lane.

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Speaker 1: The University of rock and Roll, if you will. So

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let's get started talking about this album track by track,

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first song out of the Gate. Hello again, My gosh,

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these guys have such a unique sound. And now Mutt

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Lang's fingerprints are all over it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, so this is pop rock, new wave, all stuck

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in a blender with Mutt Lang, and you get those

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sounds and those layers.

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Speaker 1: That first Hello, Hello again. It is the Mutt Lang

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whisper effect, right he has. You know, he'll have his

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artist sing a line, singing again, sing it twenty more times,

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and layer all of those, then do it an octave lower,

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and then he'll come back and he'll go, Okay, now,

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whisper it like you're the roar of a crowd.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: And that's how you get that whisper effect that Mutt

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Lang does. But this is the perfect song to begin

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the album because this was a comeback album for them.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so hello again, here we are. Don't forget us yet.

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We brought Mutt with us this time. So when we

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did our Best of nineteen seventy eight, we did our

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Top five of nineteen seventy eight. I hit the Car's

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debut album and I was like, holy crap, these songs

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came out in seventy eight. This is the sound of

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the eighties and like it was hit hit after hit.

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I was like, just what I needed. My best friend's girl,

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good times role how do I pick which one of

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these I love the most? Right? Sure? So that was

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a great debut album for him. That was in seventy eight,

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seventy nine, that came out with Candy O right album

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artwork by Alberto Vargas. Keep that in mind for a

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later tipbit. Okay, yeah, that one hit number three that

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did better. It was a number three album that which

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was better than their debut album had Let's Go on

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again in nineteen eighty one with shake It Up, which

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had shake it Up, but that was the only song

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on that album to hit the top forty and it

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barely hit it. If you're the record company, you're like, okay, guys,

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Speaker 3: We really liked your first album. Could you make some

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more hits for us, please?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? And so this was this was going to be

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a make it to break it album for them, right,

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and so hey, let's call it munt Langer. Because Robert

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Thomas Baker, who had produced all of these first four albums,

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Speaker 3: I got a story for you on that.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like you said, Robert Thomas Baker is not

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available to do Heartbeat City, which by the way, was

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originally titled Who's Going to Drive You Home? That was

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the I think we can figure out where that's where

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that's from. But so they interviewed producers and they almost

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settled on Steve Lilly White.

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Speaker 1: Is the name ring a Beltie, Yes it does.

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Speaker 3: So he did a lot with you too. Dave Matthews,

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he's a big Dave Matthews guy. He did Rolling Stones album,

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he did frieda go back to our Patreon episode on

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There's Something going On, but they instead chose Muttling because,

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my goodness, this guy did Back in Black, he did

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Highway to Hell. Of course, he did Pyromania in eighty three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was the second album that he had

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done for def Leppard. He had done High and Dry,

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but yeah, I mean he had done a bunch of albums,

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but he really kind of came into his own with

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Highway to Hell, which was the last ACDC album with

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Bond Scott, and then he did Back in Black, which

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I mean everybody was wondering what was going to happen

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bringing in Brian Johnson and then holy cow, let's blow

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the doors off a rock and roll.

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Speaker 3: Let's sell a bazillion copy as while we're at it.

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Speaker 1: He does four and four four and four Man that

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has some great songs on it, and then does High

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and Dry. He does Pyromania, and then he was gonna

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do Hysteria, but we talked about this in our Hysteria episode.

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Speaker 3: Lang was not available because he was busy doing Heartbeat City.

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Speaker 1: There you go if you want to jump back to

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that one. They used another guy for a little while,

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Jim steinmon It did not go as they wanted it to,

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but that's all right. You go back and check out

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the def Leppard episode. We're not here to talk about that.

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But man, you hear this. I mean, he has built

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his own sound and you hear it, especially all over

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this first song.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, there's so many layers and layers of noise and

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sound and music notes. It almost broke the band up,

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like they were so done with Mutt Lange. I don't

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think Rick ric Ocassick has said I never want to

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do an album like that again.

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Speaker 1: They gave their body, they gave their best.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they did. Benjamin Orr said it was the most

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precise album he's ever made. They traveled to London to

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make the album, and Rick Ocassik asked Mutt Lang, how

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long do you think this is gonna take? Man? Like

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where we were moved our whole lives to London. Mutt

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Speaker 1: You know, he kind of gets a bad rap of

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being so meticulous about things. But you listen to guys

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who have you know, when we talked about Rick Allen

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waiting and waiting and waiting to play some drums and

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and Rick's like pop and he's like, okay, I'm not

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quite getting the sound. Wait. Wait, Rick's finally like, you know,

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as the drummer, maybe I can help, and He's like,

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you listen to an interview of Rick and he's like it.

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you wanted to be a better drummer because of him.

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the same thing. When he worked with him, it was

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like he drove him to be the best that he

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could be in a way that made him appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I remember the story. We talked about it when we

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did our Hysteria episode. The guys had gone to lunch.

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They came back and much like, hey, guys, listen to this,

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and he played him like thirty seconds of what he

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had put together on Rocket and they were blown away.

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Highway to Hell, Back in Black, High and Dry, Pyromania, Hysteria,

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Waking Up the Neighbors, Heartbeat City. These are a great

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selling albums. So the record company is going to be

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patient with Motley.

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Speaker 1: Arguably the best producer of music in history. Someone has

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described him, and this is for you, buddy, as the

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James Cameron of music producers.

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Speaker 3: Sweet I love it all right, Okay, before we go

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in for the we got to talk about the music

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video for this. Oh my gosh, it's nuts man, Yes,

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before we do that. Hello Again was the fourth single,

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released October fifteenth, nineteen eighty four. It reached number twenty.

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This is the fourth song off this album to be

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a top twenty hit. So the music video is directed

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by Andy Warhol. You have this weird PSA announcement at

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the very beginning where they got like teen beat talking

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I do in music videos. It's really dumb. But you

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showing you her tongue. She is tongue in the heck

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out of that guy which is more tonguey this or

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the karatey kid when they're at the golfing.

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Speaker 1: Set or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Gina Gershawan, who you might remember from Show Girls. I

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know you're gonna say, but Andy Warhol brings all of

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his weirdos into this music video. There's all these weird people.

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One girl named Diane Brill, she's rubbing her boobs all

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over everybody. And this other guy, his name is John Sex.

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Speaker 1: He's got a snake.

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Speaker 3: He's got a snake he's playing with. It's really a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So if you guys don't know who Andy

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artists of the sixties and seventies, and you can see

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his pop art weirdness all over this video. There is

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another pop artist that we need to talk about. His

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name is Peter Phillips. So, Peter Phillips was from England.

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on with pop art there and was like, hey, I

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really like this. I'm going to do something with this.

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had a picture that Alberto Vargas had done of a

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pin up girl, Vargus girl, if you will, and it

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also had a nineteen seventy one plymouth duster on it.

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for their album cover for Heartbeats, they said, hey, we

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like the Vargus girl. I mean they used one on

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candy O. We like the car because we're the Cars.

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How about we pick this piece of art by Peter

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Phillips And that is the cover. And this cover is

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freaking awesome. I love it. It's the style that and the

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makeup of the piece of art is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: It's really cool. I love it too. By the way,

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have you ever seen the movie Hello Again with Shelley Long.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I actually saw it in the theater,

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and I think I forgot it after I walked out

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of the theater.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that was what she left cheers for. Yeah, Gabriel

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 1: We done with this one, yep, all right?

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Speaker 3: Song love it?

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it belongs in a John Hughes movie to me. Yeah

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for sure, you know that new way. I know John

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Hughes like new wave stuff. But this is like, you know,

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Sloan and Ferris kissing right before Faris starts running back

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home night.

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and then it comes into a very hooky chorus. Great

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great song, great makeup to have your perfect eighties song? Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember Austrian rock singer Falco of.

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Speaker 1: Course, Amadeo's Almade's.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you remember rock Mama Davis? Of course. Yeah,

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let me play a song for you. This song is

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called Munich Girls.

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Speaker 4: Okay, hey, does that sound familiar to you?

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Speaker 1: I would like to keep the faith and kill the light.

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But Derek Carmer sar, that's a dagum stolen song right there.

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He even says, it's all right?

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Speaker 3: What's it's like? A redo of looking for love?

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Speaker 1: Did I mean did they ask for permission? Do we did?

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Did Falco go? Hey, that's my song?

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Speaker 3: I mean I don't know the full story on it.

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I do know that this came out in nineteen eighty

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five on Falco three, which that's where Rock Mayamadas is on.

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Speaker 1: Oh so Falco is the one that stole it from

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the Cars. Yes, oh see, I thought you were playing

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me like an old Falco No no, no, okay, okay,

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so Falco stole it?

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Speaker 3: Yes, all right? Yeah, even does the sugar Sweet. This

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song is written by rick O ric Ocassick writes most

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of the stuff we probably should talk about. The members of.

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Speaker 1: The band Yeah, so yes, ric Ocasik wrote all of

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the songs on this one, seven of them. Greg Hawks,

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who is the keyboardist, gets a co writing credit, So

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and Benjamin Orr. Yes, Rick Ocassick also plays rhythm guitar.

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Benjamin Orr also plays the bass. Greg Hawks, as I said,

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was on keyboards. You have David Robinson on drums and

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drum programming a lot for this particular album, right, and

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then you have their lead guitarist, Elliott Easton, who underrated guitarist.

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because he's in this new wave sounding band. When you

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get so much you get heavy keyboards and heavy programmed drums,

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people don't really pay attention to how good some of

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these leads are, and they are incredible.

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Speaker 3: Ric Ocassick started writing songs at age ten.

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Speaker 1: So here's here's here's a tidbit. Ricu Kassick's dad was

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a systems analysis with NASA. What yeah, like like you know,

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he was the it guy back when before you know,

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computers were simple things. He was. He was a computer

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for Runner. If you will, I wonder if you knew

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Jack Blake's mom, right, you know who knows? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how did these guys get together?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So Ocassick when he was a kid writing songs.

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Happens to see Benjamin Orr as a house band on

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this TV show A Beat. Yeah, I think it was

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also called like the Big Five Show. But Benjamin Orr

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had a band called the Grasshoppers, and they were the

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house band for this show. Right, it's like a local

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broadcast kind of show. And so they meet each other

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in Cleveland and then they do other bands and stuff.

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name is not really or it is Orzi Showski, which

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is easy for me to say. When he was a kid,

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his friends used to call him Bennie eleven letters.

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Speaker 3: I love it so funny.

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Speaker 1: He By the way, his mom was not a scientist, Vanessa,

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but she was a devout Byzantine right Catholic and she

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would not let him drive his car until the local

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clergy blessed the car.

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Speaker 3: So who would drive him home?

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Speaker 1: Nice? Thank you nice. So anyway, I'm sorry, let me.

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Speaker 3: Get my that joke has thrown you off the set

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right there.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right, right right. So Rick and Ben are

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in various bands. They both moved to Boston in the

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early seventies and they formed this band called Milkwood. They

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put out an album, but it fails to chart. Next

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group that they put together is called Richard and the

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Rabbits and that's when they get joined by Greg Hawks

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on keyboards. Now Greg has to leave because this big

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band on him to come tour with them. Big band

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is Martin Mull and his fabulous furniture. Like mister mom,

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Martin Ull, like one, whatever it takes that Martin Moull. Yes, whoa, yeah,

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so I guess he. I mean Martin was an accomplished musician,

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but he had a comedy act that involved a band.

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It was a musical comedy act, and so he had

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a touring band. He went on tour with the band,

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and Greg Hawks was the keyboarders for that.

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Speaker 3: Nugget right there. Man, Yeah, I did not come across that.

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Speaker 1: So then Rick and Ben formed this band called okasikan

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Ore and it's like them playing acoustic guitar at the

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local Idler coffeehouse there in Cambridge.

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Speaker 3: Saw a picture. Rick's mustache was pretty pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: At that time. Was it a real mustache or It's

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a good question, so tell me why.

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Speaker 3: Well, because rumor has is that he has alopecia and

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that he is completely bald. I do know, like it's

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been verified in my MTV book over here that recocassicks

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a wig all the time.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Well they don't only do the you know, Simon

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and garfunkl acoustic duo. They form another band after they

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meet Elliott Easton, and the band is called cap'n Swing.

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Captain Swing, not Captain Swing, but cap'n Swing like cap'n Crunch,

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You got it. They make a demo tape. It's like

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a two track demo tape, but it's got some of

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the songs that they came up while they were doing

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came up with while they were their duo, which ended

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up being on the Car's debut album.

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Speaker 3: Six their their classic rock classics YEP.

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Speaker 1: And they catch the ear of a local DJ there

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in Boston named Maxine Satori, and she loves cap'n Swing

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and so she starts playing some of these songs on

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the radio, which is kind of unheard of, and so

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that catches the attention of record companies. Electra Records is

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the one they end up signing with, and then this beautiful,

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beautiful thing happens. Electra Records says to Roy Thomas Baker, Hey,

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this band's pretty good. You should go check them out. Well,

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they're playing at a high school gymnasium, like that's where

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they are in their career, right, And there's a snowstorm

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going on, like a blizzard going on, and like thirty

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people show up to this concert. But Roy Thomas Baker

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pushes through, drives through the snow, watches them play, and

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that night he says, let's make an album. Wow. Now,

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if you don't know who Roy Thomas Baker is, he's

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the guy that produced Queen's first five albums, just say

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Bohemian Rhapsodies, and you know what kind of chops this

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guy has, right, And he shows up and says to

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the cars, let's make an album. Wow, that's incredible. A

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few days later, they're flying to London. They have plenty

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of songs in their arsenal because they've been playing for

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a while. By this time, Greg Hawks has started playing

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with him again into the tour with Martin mull. So

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they all fly out to London and in twelve days

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they create one of the greatest albums of the seventies.

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Twelve days, twelve days.

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Speaker 3: But laying takes twelve days to get one verse of

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a song right.

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Speaker 1: Can you play that chord again and again? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's move on to song number three.

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This song is called Magic.

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Speaker 1: So I cannot hear this song without thinking about the video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, it's played all the time on MTV.

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Speaker 1: I think you know of this album. There are two

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videos that if you were raised in the eighties you

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think of. This is one of those two.

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Speaker 3: They played this in the summer of eighty four. This

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was on Every fifth.

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Speaker 1: Time Definition of Heavy Rotation. But it's great, it's funny.

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It's a funny video. You know where they shot it?

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Speaker 3: I do know where they shot it.

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Speaker 1: Tell me.

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Speaker 3: So they shot this at the Hilton's house, like Paris

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Hilton's parents house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think Paris was born yet, but.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she was at school.

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Speaker 1: Shut up. How old is she?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and she's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, huh. Born in eighty one, so this

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is eighty four. She's three. So she's like at pre school,

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her nursery school.

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Speaker 3: They're rich people, I mean, they do weird things. They

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send their kids off to pre school or whatever when

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she's three years old. Yeah, here's what I do know

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about this video. So it's it's a really cool video.

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Ricocastick is walking on the swimming pool like Jesus the

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entire time. It's really cool. And as a as a person,

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as a young kid watching this, I'm like, how did

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they accomplish this? Like, how did they do that? It's

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really cool effect. Well, it turns out it's a plexiglass shield, right,

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so he's walking around in this plexiglass thing. But so

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they had it all set up, they had the cameras ready,

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they had the actress ready, they had the lights ready. Okay,

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here we go. Take one. As soon as he steps

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on the plaxic glass shield, it breaks and he falls through.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, was he hurt?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Just first take breaks, the whole thing breaks. They've got

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a like change his clothes, restart, like delayed the whole thing, Like, yeah,

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somebody grabbed Rick's wig.

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Speaker 1: You get a dry wig please.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing. Do you know I sent you

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a video clip. I don't know if you remember this.

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It's been a little while. Okay, what movies closing scene

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was shot around this swimming pool?

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Speaker 1: Closing scene Blind.

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Speaker 3: Date with Bruce Willis and Kim Basis.

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Speaker 1: I got you, yes one are your favorites? I still

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haven't seen that movie.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's so good, so good. So yes. The Hilton

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Family Home nice. By the way. David Robinson, the drummer

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we talked about. His mother watched the video and she's like,

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why aren't you in a Dave. He's like, I am

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in it. She's like, I didn't see you. So he

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had to like record it on a VHS dape, pause

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it and say see this guy right here barely off screen.

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That's me.

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Speaker 1: Well the I mean, if you remember the video, like

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the pool is surrounded by all these wacko characters, right yeah,

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and then they're all like kind of marveling in him

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walking on water, and toward the end of the video

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they're like you know, Peter, They're like, oh, I'll come out,

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and they just go right in.

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Speaker 3: Drop in that's right.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, how do they fall in? And

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he didn't fall in? You know what it was? What magic?

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, this video has the feel of some

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of those early davidly Roth videos. Yeah, you know the

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goofy not in my story, you don't, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, right right, it's if you saw weird you know,

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the weird Al Yankovic story. It's very much like the

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Pool Party. It's it's kind of a cross between It's

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kind of a cross between the Boogie Night's Pool Party

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and the Car's video for Magic. Right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this was the second single released May seventh,

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nineteen eighty four. Yep, right around my twelfth birthday. It

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reached number twelve on the Hot one hundred. Okay, please

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tell me I got it?

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Speaker 1: I got right, all right?

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Speaker 3: So, and this is a who's who because summer of

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eighty four was packed with great music, right yeah, yeah,

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it's my contention. This is one of the best songs

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of nineteen eighty four. In fact, I had it on

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my list, but we marked it off because we knew

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we were doing Heartbeat City Gotcha?

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Number twelve is Magic. Number eleven is Let's Hear.

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Speaker 1: It for the Boy, right off a foot Loose Gotcha.

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Number ten is legs zz Top covered It yep. Number

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nine is hard a rock and roll here we loosened

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the News covered it. Number eight is almost Paradise, also

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off of Footloose covered It.

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Speaker 3: Number seven Time after Time by Cydey Lauper.

467
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,559
Speaker 1: That is a big hitter that we have not yet,

468
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:39,480
right Yeah, Her and Madonna probably need to do a comparison.

469
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:39,839
Speaker 2: We do.

470
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,319
Speaker 3: We do Number six Eyes without a Face.

471
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: Oh, Billy Idle just got done with that one, compared

472
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,319
it to zz Top. That's right.

473
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: Number five the Reflex Duran Duran.

474
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: Yep, we talked about that one at least, and we

475
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,519
didn't cover I mean, that was on a different album.

476
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:55,880
But that's one of my favorite Duran durand songs.

477
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: Number four self Control by Laura Brannigan.

478
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: That was on my top. That was on my list

479
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:02,680
on Best of eighty four.

480
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Number three Jump for my Love Sister.

481
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

482
00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: Number two Dancing in the Dark.

483
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen covered it next to Huey Lewis, Keep Going,

484
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:11,960
Keep Going.

485
00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:13,599
Speaker 3: Number one Windows Cry.

486
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,759
Speaker 1: Oh of course I was waiting for Prince. I'm like,

487
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:17,839
where the heck is Prince? Yep, there he is?

488
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 3: There you go, Okay, love it one of my favorite

489
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,359
songs I did. This is probably my favorite song in

490
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,119
the entire album.

491
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: Really, I love it. Yeah, it is a great It

492
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,799
is a great tune.

493
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:31,559
Speaker 3: Darts for that in my eyes Love Darts in my eyes. Okay,

494
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,039
we ready to go for like maybe the biggest hitter

495
00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:34,359
of all.

496
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: I think it's time.

497
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,319
Speaker 3: The song is called Drive.

498
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: I want to listen to the whole song. That so good, right,

499
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,599
and we got a nice change up. We've had these

500
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:59,880
new wave poppy hits, we've had Rick singing and then

501
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,799
you come in with Benjamin or I mean forgive me.

502
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,640
But whenever you had to differentiate between the two singers,

503
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,920
you said, you know, there was the ugly one and

504
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,279
the good looking one. Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm and he's

505
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,920
got and he's got a beautiful voice. And in the

506
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,079
interviews that I mean, he doesn't seem to have a

507
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,720
big hit, you know, even though he's he's a good

508
00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:23,359
looking guy who's got this amazing voice. And this song

509
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,319
is I mean, if you had to play a bunch

510
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,559
of car songs, my kids would be able to identify

511
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,640
this one. They were like, they would know this shirt.

512
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: This is the one, right.

513
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: Who's gone?

514
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it has the lasting power these There are

515
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,400
so many great songs on this one, but this one

516
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,519
has stood the test of time from generation to generation.

517
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: Okay, So the cool story on this is that Rick

518
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,599
UKs wrote this song in like nineteen eighty two. Yeah,

519
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,640
he o it and was gonna include it on his

520
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:03,960
solo album. I mean when he took it, he knew

521
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:05,759
this is the best song I've ever written, but he

522
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:08,440
looked at it and he said, I think Benjamin Or

523
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,000
can sing this better than I can. Yeah, so he

524
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,200
held it for the next Cars album.

525
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: It's it is truly the right decisions, as sacrificial as

526
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,279
it was the right decision for him to make, because

527
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:25,240
I heard Rico Cassick singing this song like I heard

528
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,279
that version. Yeah, and it's there. He's got the tune,

529
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,880
but there's just something about Benjamin Orr's voice that makes

530
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,039
this song melt your heart.

531
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So we got to listen to the demo. Let's

532
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,680
listen to it, and without that magic mutt ling touch.

533
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:50,319
Speaker 2: You can't go on thinking nothingntroll.

534
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: There nothing compared to the final product, that's right.

535
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: So this was the third single released July twenty third,

536
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,440
nineteen eighty four, reached number three on the charts.

537
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: This is their highest charting song. Yeah, we are talking

538
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:16,720
about a band that was an icon from seventy eight

539
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:21,000
to eighty eight, right Rocketbell Hall years they never had

540
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,359
a number one hit. What is wrong with the world?

541
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,759
Speaker 3: Okay, So let me let me tell you what blocked

542
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,160
this song from number one? Okay. So on September twenty ninth,

543
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,920
nineteen eighty four, you had Missing You by John Wade

544
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,440
at number two, Son of a Bitch, the biggest weenie song.

545
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: Of the eighties.

546
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean that he came up when

547
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,599
we talked about Journey.

548
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:45,119
Speaker 3: And then number one was Let's Go Crazy.

549
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,799
Speaker 1: Well, stupid Prince ruled that year with that song. So good,

550
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,119
but at least they could have gotten a number two. Right.

551
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,039
Speaker 3: Then the next week number two song is I Just

552
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:58,960
Called to Say I Love You by Stevie Wonder.

553
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,119
Speaker 1: Listen, I like that song and I know I like

554
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,759
it more than you do because you hate Stevie Wonder.

555
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,799
Speaker 3: Right, second biggest wienie song of the eighties.

556
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: But this song's better than that song, Okay.

557
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: And that week number one was Let's Go Crazy. And

558
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,960
then finally the third week at number three was Let's

559
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,559
Go Crazy at number two, and I Just Called to

560
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:17,200
Say I Love You.

561
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:17,759
Speaker 1: At number one.

562
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that sucks crazy. So you know who is

563
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,240
a big, big fan of this song. Paul McCartney.

564
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,039
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.

565
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: Paul McCartney cited this song as an influence for the

566
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,680
upcoming album he was writing.

567
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,599
Speaker 1: Wow.

568
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: I mean when one of the Beatles says I listened

569
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,640
to Let's Dance by David Bowie and drive by the Cars,

570
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,359
and I knew that's where I wanted to go.

571
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,559
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

572
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: This is the Designated Driver theme song. Have you heard?

573
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,000
Have you heard the urban legends around this song?

574
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:48,599
Speaker 1: No?

575
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: So supposedly their urban legend is that Rico Cassik met

576
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,000
and was talking to a girl at a party.

577
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,279
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I have heard this. Yeah, I can't keep

578
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:57,799
going mouse.

579
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: She had too much to drink. He offered to drive

580
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,880
her home, she said no, and she died in a

581
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,839
car accident on the Whitehouse. I don't know if there's

582
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:06,720
any truth to it, but it makes a great urban legend.

583
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think the version that I

584
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,359
heard was that the girl had the boyfriend, and the

585
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,480
boyfriend was too drunk and he was trying to talk

586
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:16,279
her out of writing home with the boyfriend. Oh okay,

587
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,599
as the version of the story that I heard. Okay,

588
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,160
But as you pointed out, this is really just an

589
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,880
urban legend, like he's he's just he's made up a

590
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,240
song because he's a creative artist. That's what they do, right.

591
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:29,960
But I said earlier, if you think of one of

592
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,759
two songs, the video of one or two songs, but

593
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,880
this video is pretty freaking memorable as well.

594
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,839
Speaker 3: Well, we got to talk about Paulina Proskovit at this point,

595
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,200
don't we.

596
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. The video, if you'll remember, it's got

597
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,200
this beautiful woman in it. She's only nineteen years old. Ah,

598
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,480
and she was one of like one of two people. Now,

599
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,319
she had already fallen in love with ric Ocassik from

600
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:57,079
prior videos, but she didn't know who he was. She

601
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,759
didn't know that he was in the cars. She just

602
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,559
knew of this guy and was in love with him.

603
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,880
She gets the part, and all of her scenes are

604
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,000
with him. Benjamin Or is sitting in a chair singing

605
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,200
the song. She is face to face with ric Ocassick.

606
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,039
Speaker 3: You're telling me that one of the Haws girls in

607
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,119
the eighties is in love with a guy that looks

608
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:17,720
like an upside down exclamation point.

609
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: We could call it the Billy Joel effect if you'd like.

610
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,559
That's it. That's it. Yeah, she had totally fallen for

611
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,839
him before she even got the part in the video,

612
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,480
and it was just dumb luck. Now, as it turns out,

613
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,079
they started dating and they got married, and they were

614
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,359
married for over thirty years. Tragically, they were in the

615
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,039
middle of a divorce in twenty nineteen when Rick passed away.

616
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,279
What made that even more tragic was after thirty years,

617
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,200
he said, she gets nothing because she abandoned me. Yeah.

618
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:51,079
Back to this video. Yeah, I watched this again. I'm like, holy,

619
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,200
I called you up. I'm like, dude, I don't know

620
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,240
why she didn't do more in the acting world, but

621
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,160
she is amazing. I mean, she's playing somebody who obviously

622
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,359
has some mental health issues that she's dealing with, some

623
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,799
strong emotional issues. But there is a scene where she

624
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,519
transitions from one emotion to another emotion to another emotion

625
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,319
that she is dealing with some big, heavy stuff, crying, laughing,

626
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,440
all this thing, and it'll she does such a good job.

627
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,640
It'll tell her your heart open. I mean, it's amazing

628
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,039
what she does. Wow.

629
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,119
Speaker 3: Now, before we get into her, Yeah, I gotta tell

630
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,200
you the story behind the director of this music video. Yeah,

631
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:32,640
I called you up, and I'm like, you know who

632
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,480
directed this? Timothy Hutton from Taps from Taps and Turk

633
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,319
one eighty two, Yeah, and a million other things.

634
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: In the eighties.

635
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he lived next door to the car's manager his

636
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,279
name was Elliott Roberts, and they were hanging out and

637
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,839
Elliott Roberts brought over like an early edition of Heartbeat City.

638
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,480
I was like, here, let me play the New Cars

639
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,880
album for you. See what you think. And Timothy Hutton

640
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,920
really zoned in on Drive. He said, man, that is

641
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,440
a great song right there. In fact, you really need

642
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,079
to make a music video. And if you're gonna make

643
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,200
a music video, here's what I would do. I would

644
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,440
do in black and white, and I would have the guys,

645
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,759
you know, sitting in chair or whatever, and he like,

646
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,359
cast this vision on the video. The manager of the

647
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,759
Cars is like, I'm gonna tell Rick Okasik your ideas

648
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720
and if it's okay with him, I'd like you to

649
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,359
direct this music video. So he goes to Rick. Rick's like, hey, yeah,

650
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,240
let's do this. So Timothy Hutton, star of Turk one

651
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:25,440
eighty two, is the director of this music video.

652
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,319
Speaker 1: If not for Timothy Hutton, Paulina Porskova and Ricukassik might

653
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,119
never have met.

654
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: How about that?

655
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,559
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

656
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,039
Speaker 3: So we've got to talk just a touch about Pauline Porskova.

657
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,960
She was born in nineteen sixty five to Anti Soviet

658
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:44,039
dissident parents, okay, which essentially they were living in Czechoslovakia.

659
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,880
They had spoken out against the Soviet Union. Well, the

660
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Soviets invade and they've got to run for their lives,

661
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,759
Like they escape to Sweden. They leave her with.

662
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,599
Speaker 1: Her grandmother in Czechoslovakia.

663
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: In Czechoslovakia, okay, okay, this is the Warsaw packed invasion.

664
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,200
They moved to Sweden and they expect, you know, she'll

665
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,119
be coming along shortly. Well, they don't let her go.

666
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,920
The Soviets are like, no, she's staying. So when she

667
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:09,800
was seven, her pregnant mother sneaks back into the country

668
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,599
to rescue her and like bring her out of Czechoslovakia. Well,

669
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,400
they found her, captured her placed her under arrest. But

670
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,519
because there is so much like political pressure, they actually

671
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,119
let Paulina go with her mom. Oh my gosh, how

672
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:22,800
about that.

673
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,039
Speaker 1: That is a heck of a story.

674
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: When she's thirteen, a friend who wants to be a

675
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,599
makeup artist says, you're kind of pretty. Could I try

676
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,159
out You're kind of pretty? You're kind of pretty? Could

677
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,920
I try out my makeup styles on you and take

678
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,639
photographs of you? And so the friend makes her up,

679
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,360
takes photos, sends it to a model aid agency hoping

680
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880
to get hired as a photographer, and they're like, who's

681
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,960
the girl in the pictures? And so she was discovered

682
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,360
by John Casablancas. She goes on to be on the

683
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,000
covers of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition in nineteen eighty

684
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,760
four and nineteen eighty five at age eighteen and nineteen,

685
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,960
and goes on to be the highest paid model of

686
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:03,559
nineteen eighty eight six million dollars.

687
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,199
Speaker 1: Wow.

688
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,679
Speaker 3: Married ric Ocassic in nineteen eighty nine, had two sons.

689
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:07,960
How about that crazy?

690
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,079
Speaker 1: Okay? That brings us to track number five. This one's

691
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:35,000
called Stranger Eyes. Okay, So you start off with this

692
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,360
almost Debo esque whistley kind of synth lead right, a flute, Yeah, yeah,

693
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,760
it's you got to get the whosh sound like you're

694
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,559
blowing into something, right, Greg Hawkstudent, which is one type

695
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:51,039
of music. Then Elliott Easton comes in with this almost

696
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:55,159
like golden earring style of lead guitar riff, which I

697
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:56,960
don't know how you put those two things together and

698
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,480
get this song, but this was a this was a

699
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,639
discovery for me. I had not heard this song before.

700
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,400
I really like it, like this, this was a nice

701
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,079
little oh kind of dig this and then he starts singing.

702
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:09,719
I'm like, Okay, this is kind of cool, and then

703
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,679
the chorus comes in. Dude, this is a really kick

704
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,119
butt song. I'm surprised this was not on the singles chart,

705
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,079
you know, I mean, why didn't they throw this one

706
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:18,920
out there as a single?

707
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you I like it too. I think

708
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,000
it's great. I love the chorus on this. There's an

709
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,639
urgency to the beat of this. This was the song

710
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,440
that they attached to the earliest versions of the trailers

711
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,280
for Top Gun.

712
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Oh it's perfect for that. It is perfect for that.

713
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,480
Oh yeah.

714
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: They didn't have danger Zone ready, they didn't have to

715
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,440
take my breath away. None of that stuff was ready.

716
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,280
So they had to pick a song, and they're like,

717
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,840
how about Stranger Eyes for by the Cars?

718
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: Fantastic?

719
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 5: I love it.

720
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fantastic. Okay.

721
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: I was gonna tell you, I got this great quote

722
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,039
from Vernon Reed, Vernon Reid of Living Color, Yes, of

723
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,039
Living Color, Okay, and he was talking about the videos

724
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:17,639
for the cars.

725
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,119
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So this.

726
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: Is what he said, if you weren't beautiful and hip.

727
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,360
You had to be quirky in some particular way. In

728
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,840
those cars videos. Rick is just too tall, too thin.

729
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,400
That was the hook. He was a gangly scarecrow with

730
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,079
great tunes.

731
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. That nails it. That nails it.

732
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: Yep, very memorable face. Okay, So let's talk about Benjamin

733
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,039
Or for just a second. Yeah, I believe he is

734
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:41,360
the singer on this song.

735
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: It sounds like him. I mean, it is difficult to

736
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,119
tell their voices apart in certain songs, and this one

737
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,880
he doesn't. He's not as melodic as he is in

738
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,199
like Drive, But I believe that this is still. Yeah,

739
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,360
I believe this is Benjamin Or.

740
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: Actually, when I first heard this, I would have given

741
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,480
my last paycheck that Mike Reno of Loverboys this song.

742
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,639
But anyway, Benjamin Or aka Benny eleven Letters, in April

743
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,480
of two thousand was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Yeah, but

744
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:11,719
I mean he continued to sing and tour and.

745
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah up until lay days before he died.

746
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,519
Speaker 3: He died October third, two thousand, at age fifty three.

747
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: The day I turned there you go.

748
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he did have one big hit song in

749
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,800
nineteen eighty seven called Stay the Night and Rick Ocassik

750
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,599
wrote the song silver as an homage to him.

751
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: Nice. There's a that it was nice. They got the

752
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,800
band together for like one last interview where they kind

753
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,039
of talked about the good old days and their career together.

754
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,519
But yeah, Ben, you can tell he's been fighting cancer.

755
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,199
He's so thin and not look good. He did not

756
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,400
look like his normal self. But and he didn't. He

757
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,760
was not very vocal during the process. But it was

758
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,199
nice to see them get together together again before the end.

759
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: All right, hit stop in your tape player, kick it out,

760
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,039
flip it over for side two. Let's kick it off

761
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:03,320
with the first single.

762
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: You might think, can we say perfect pop song?

763
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: This is a great pop song.

764
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: It I mean, this is kind of a throwback to

765
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,480
what they were doing on their debut album. It's so

766
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,239
hooky and then perfect for nineteen eighty four, they create

767
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:33,599
one of the coolest videos of all time.

768
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: I mean, the story here is really the video, right, yeah,

769
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,519
one of the very first videos to use computer graphics.

770
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

771
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 3: This video, I don't know if you know this or not,

772
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,719
is based on a National Inquirer commercial.

773
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: Has Wayne Newton split with his wife and hit the

774
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,599
jack pop with his new romance inquiring minds.

775
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: One, hold, I want to know.

776
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,199
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you told me about this.

777
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: Yes, So they would do all these weird like Princess Diana.

778
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,000
I was doing this and they'd have little cutouts and

779
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,920
they'd it would move around the screen. The National inquirer

780
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,239
is what gave them this idea?

781
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: Right? Well, it gave the director of the video the idea, right, okay.

782
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,079
Speaker 3: So this music video was directed by Robin Sloane of

783
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,840
Electro Records Creative after director Jeff Stein showed her samples

784
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,639
from the New York based visual effects company Charlex.

785
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: That's weird, okay, because, like I looked up the video,

786
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,320
there are four different directors listed, including Jeff Stein Charlex,

787
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,800
also including Alex Wheel and Charlie Levy, but no Robin Sloane.

788
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,400
So I don't know why what's going on with IMDb

789
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:38,920
on that deal, But I would think of all the

790
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,639
videos in the world, this one you would have an

791
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,320
accurate listing on director because this one video of the

792
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,320
year in nineteen eighty four.

793
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,639
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, now, are you telling me this video

794
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,559
beat thriller?

795
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,039
Speaker 1: Yes?

796
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: And every breath you take yes and rocket yes. Yes.

797
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,159
This one video of the year was the first MTV

798
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,519
Music Awa winner.

799
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, they gave him the moon Man. Yeah, well I

800
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,760
didn't even know were they moon Man at that point.

801
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,599
Speaker 3: In fact, I read a story that ric Ocassi used

802
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:09,239
that Moonman as a doorstop.

803
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: Well they didn't. They thought the idea for the video

804
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:15,360
was stupid.

805
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: Right, There's like King Kong and one guy's a dentist

806
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:20,840
and he's drilling this. You know, the pretty girl is

807
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,360
getting her teeth drilled. They're like singing and playing on

808
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,760
a bar of soap. And when they brought this to

809
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,400
the band, they're like, here's what we're gonna do. Guys.

810
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,719
One guy said, why don't you just have us play

811
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,400
on a turn in the toilet bit. This is one

812
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,519
of the most memorable music videos of all time.

813
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,079
Speaker 1: It absolutely is and throw back to our Karate Kid

814
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:47,199
episode was used as inspiration it and raising Arizona, primarily

815
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,719
for the sweep the Leg video that William Zappacac director.

816
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,559
Speaker 3: Oh wow, hey, speaking of karate Kid, the actress in

817
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,679
this music video, her name is Susan Gallagher.

818
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: Yes and us off.

819
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: Right Well, IMDb has her listed as being homeless Linn

820
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:07,199
in Cobra Kai. That's right, and I'm like de do

821
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,960
you know who that is? And you're like, oh, yeah,

822
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:10,000
you know homeless Lynn.

823
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,039
Speaker 1: I'm started. I was like, I've gave you the mind

824
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,280
blown thing, right, I was like, oh my gosh, I

825
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,480
can't and I keep looking and I'm like, that doesn't

826
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:19,199
really look like her and.

827
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: All pretty ladies.

828
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, So there is another Susan Gallagher who was

829
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:27,360
in the video. She ended up marrying some big time

830
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,679
MTV executive and you know, had a happy life being quiet.

831
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,199
And the other Susan Gallagher, who's in Cobra Kai, didn't

832
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,599
really start her career until later on. They're both kind

833
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,760
of close to the same age. But yes, two different

834
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,800
Susan Gallaghers.

835
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: Screw you, IMDb for screwing that up. Okay, so this

836
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:48,039
song only got to number seven.

837
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:50,159
Speaker 1: Please tell me you get another list, Okay.

838
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: I do, so you might think is number seven? This

839
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,000
is February of nineteen eighty four.

840
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:54,519
Speaker 1: Okay.

841
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,119
Speaker 3: Number six is Loved Somebody by Rick Springfield.

842
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:57,599
Speaker 1: Really.

843
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,159
Speaker 3: Number five is missed Me Blind by Ultra Club. What

844
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,880
number four is Hold Me Now by Thompson Twins.

845
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I can go there.

846
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:09,039
Speaker 3: Number three is Footloose, Sure. Number two is Hello by

847
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:09,800
Lionel Richie.

848
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's big.

849
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: And number one maybe the best song of nineteen eighty

850
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,239
four against all odds by Phil Collins. Shut up, I

851
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:16,840
love that song.

852
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,559
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well yeah, like four of those seven

853
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,400
need to have lost to that. That's right, that's terrible.

854
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,159
Speaker 3: You ever seen the movie The Sure Thing John Cusack,

855
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:30,760
Daphne Zuniga. No, oh, it's so good. They featured this

856
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,239
song in that in that movie.

857
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh awesome.

858
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:34,119
Speaker 3: All right, we're done with this one.

859
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: Yep, great song, incredibly memorable video.

860
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,039
Speaker 3: I did want to tell you one last thing.

861
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah.

862
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,599
Speaker 3: To the sun filled one last thing. There are two

863
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,519
versions of this music video. Apparently it grows some people

864
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:51,039
out when Rick Ocassick like removed his face and like

865
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,599
water came out of it at the end, okay, and

866
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,320
then like at the end they splat the fly and

867
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,199
it says the end.

868
00:43:57,639 --> 00:43:58,119
Speaker 1: Okay.

869
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: So some of them end with the face pull off

870
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,719
and some of them do not. Apparently that was upsetting

871
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,400
to some people.

872
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:12,199
Speaker 1: I'm going to take his face off. John wu was inspired.

873
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: All right. Next song on the album is called It's

874
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:15,599
not the Night.

875
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, nice arpeggio beginning to this thing, but honestly, I'm

876
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,039
a little bored. Really yeah, I like this one, well

877
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:53,280
until the chorus.

878
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:39,519
Speaker 3: The.

879
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:48,559
Speaker 1: Arpeggio goes away and you get some and you get

880
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,079
more of a rock to it, and so to me

881
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,719
the song is I would be worried. As a kid,

882
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,079
I would probably be like boring and skip it. If

883
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:00,119
you hold out and you wait for the chorus on

884
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,079
this one, you will be rewarded for your effort.

885
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I like this song. It's good.

886
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a big hit for a single, but

887
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,639
it's good. Yeah. But I young nineteen eighties me would

888
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:13,719
have called it a skipper, but today's me held out.

889
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,960
I was grown up. I linkeded my attention span. I

890
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,079
listened to the chorus. I'm like, Okay, this song has

891
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,960
some promise to it. It kind of reminds me of

892
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,119
a song a little bit, but rob reminds me of

893
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,440
a song off of the debut album you know the

894
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,199
Big Three that I already mentioned from the Cars?

895
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: Right?

896
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,159
Speaker 1: Have you heard of a song called moving in stereo? Okay,

897
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,079
play it for me. I will play it for you, sir,

898
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,039
I will play it for it. Thank you, thank you,

899
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,639
And I guarantee you're going to remember the song, but

900
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,480
the question is will you remember where you remember it from?

901
00:45:45,559 --> 00:46:00,559
Speaker 5: Okay, here it comes in.

902
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: Except.

903
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I recognize it, but I can't place it.

904
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I would say probably one hundred percent of

905
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,679
our male listeners recognize it as well, and about half

906
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,400
of them are in the same boat that you are.

907
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,119
That they're like, where do I this?

908
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: Rod?

909
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,679
Speaker 1: Dirty movie was I I'm about to blow your mind? Okay, okay.

910
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:29,679
It involves a swimming pool and a red bikini and

911
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:37,599
the most memorable dream sequence in early eighties music history

912
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,480
with Miss Phoebe Cates.

913
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: You're blowing my mind. There you go, Fast Times Origement High.

914
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: You got it? Wow?

915
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: Perfect.

916
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,679
Speaker 1: I have been sitting on that for this entire episode.

917
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,719
I was so excited. It's just like, oh my gosh, she.

918
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:54,599
Speaker 3: Blew my mind.

919
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:56,039
Speaker 1: Good job, Yeah, good job.

920
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: I want to talk for just a minute. The Cars

921
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,840
broke up in nineteen eighty eight, goes on to be

922
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,239
a record producer, and he takes what he learned from

923
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,119
that mutt laning experience. I mean, he produces some big names.

924
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: Listen to this list.

925
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:13,679
Speaker 3: He produces albums by Bad Religion, YEP, Guided by Voices, Suicide,

926
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,960
Bad brains.

927
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: Bro He produced No Doubt, We just who Just James

928
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,000
Buckley sent us a video of them. The band is

929
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:27,079
back together performing at twenty twenty four Coachella. Right, Gwen

930
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:31,000
Stefani looks the same as she did back in the nineties.

931
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,559
Speaker 3: She's drinking from the same fountain of youth somewhere.

932
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

933
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise is but.

934
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: He produced Weezer like the Blue Album and the Green

935
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:51,280
like the biggest Weezer albums of all About that.

936
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: That is so cool. Okay, let's move on to the

937
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,960
fifth single. This song is called why Can't I Have You?

938
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: So this was the last single released in the US,

939
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,880
but it was only the second to the last single

940
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,639
released in Okay, that's right, Which is weird that they

941
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:22,880
would release another single in the UK because even the

942
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,039
band has said this, Basically, UK hates them, like their

943
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,840
songs never do as well over there. Really Yeah, I

944
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,719
don't remember what the what the story was, but basically

945
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,719
they didn't like them, which is also kind of weird

946
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,960
because a lot of people think that the cars are

947
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,519
from the UK. They just kind of, I guess, have

948
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:44,079
a style or whatever that David Robinson influenced what their

949
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,199
fashion style was like. Okay, and I guess it kind

950
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,840
of brought a UK vibe, so I think a lot

951
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,679
of people thought they were from the UK. Or maybe

952
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,559
it's just because Ricocastack looks like a Chimney sweep.

953
00:48:55,519 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: Jim Jimminy, Jimmy Jimmy, just Lord.

954
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:06,159
Speaker 2: Time to tell you my mind?

955
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: So yeah. This was released January seventh, nineteen eighty five.

956
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,400
This only reached number thirty three. I think this is

957
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,920
a great song. I think this is single worthy. I

958
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,159
think it's makeout worthy.

959
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: That's what was gonna say if you were a deep

960
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,400
dive cars fan. This was on the Makeout Mixtape of

961
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,280
nineteen eighty five.

962
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,559
Speaker 3: Yes, but man, in eighty five, there's so much competition.

963
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:36,559
I just want to roll through the top five. And again,

964
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:39,199
this only made it to number thirty three. Yeah, number five,

965
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,400
as we are the World, okay. Number four is lover

966
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:43,480
Girl by Tina.

967
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,199
Speaker 1: Marie, which we talked about.

968
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: Top Gun soundtrack.

969
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,199
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, Tina Marie.

970
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,519
Speaker 3: Number three Can't Fight This Feeling by Ario Speedwagon.

971
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,519
Speaker 1: I was huge.

972
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:57,199
Speaker 3: My son's girlfriend, Gracie and her mom went and saw

973
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,440
Ario Speedwagon the other night. Gracy and Tracy, Gracy and

974
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,039
I told I asked Cracy the other day, I'm like,

975
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,440
how were they She's like, they were awesome. They're like

976
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,480
seventy years old, amazing, So apparently, are you Speedwagon's still

977
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,440
worth going to see?

978
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: Okay?

979
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: Then number two Material Girl by Madonna, Yeah, and number

980
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,920
one One More Night by Phil Collins. We're covering Phil

981
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,599
Collins next summer. Okay, okay, I like this song. It's great.

982
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,599
Move on to the next one. Okay, Okay, moving on

983
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,840
to the next song. This song is called I Refuse.

984
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:39,760
I like this one. I think the verses are better than.

985
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: The chorus, though I do not like the chorus. Yeah,

986
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:47,000
it's a very nice melody on the verses that I

987
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:48,960
do refuse. I mean, I think if you just pick

988
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,000
some different words, it might be better. But it's just

989
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,360
it's not pleasant to listen to.

990
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: I don't like it, right, So it kind of loses

991
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,679
its steam in the chorus. But this is the sound

992
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,239
of the mid eighties. I can deafin see this as

993
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:05,159
in the soundtrack of some domb eighties movie like Gotcha

994
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,840
or Breaking All the Rules.

995
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: Or Your Science. Yeah. Yeah, it is a bummer about

996
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,320
the chorus on this one, because in all other respects

997
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,760
it's good music, it's good sound, it's good fun. Yeah,

998
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:28,800
but not my favorite. This is probably my least favorite

999
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,239
song on the album. Okay.

1000
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,119
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a skipper, but if there is, this.

1001
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: Might be it. Yeah, it might be it. So we

1002
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,480
kind of mentioned the members of the band. We didn't

1003
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:42,000
talk about how they got their name. Yeah, tell me so.

1004
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,800
The name came from David Robinson. Okay, Now, I thought

1005
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,199
maybe he was a car guy, right, and I did

1006
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,440
some research and just back in twenty twenty, he was

1007
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,559
actually on an episode of Chasing Classic Cars, which how

1008
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,039
appropriate is that? And they restore I'm not sure if

1009
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,679
it was a sixty nine or a seventy, but it

1010
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,519
was a de thomas O Mangusta. I showed you this car.

1011
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:12,679
It is bad, sweet, Yeah it is. It is like

1012
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,199
a seventies era Lamborghini slash Ferrari, cool lines. It's very

1013
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,320
much of spy hunter kind of car. I think he

1014
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:26,760
is into automotive stuff, but I don't know that that

1015
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,119
had anything to do with choosing the band name. Do

1016
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:29,920
you know the story on this?

1017
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So, as I understand it, they were looking for

1018
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,719
a name for the band. Yeah, and David Robson. Everybody

1019
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,440
came up with a list of four or five things,

1020
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,039
and he came up with the name The Cars. And

1021
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:43,000
they just kind of read through everybody's suggestions and they

1022
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,159
were like, Hm, the cars short, it's memorable, we like it,

1023
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:48,159
let's do it.

1024
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. Sometimes it's it's just as simple

1025
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,920
as that, right, Yeah, so they you know, I mentioned

1026
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,519
that they had been Captain Swing before, but Rick Ocassick

1027
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,599
just felt like that most of the band was not

1028
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,719
the right fit for his music. I mean, he was

1029
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,000
writing all of the music and Benjamin Orr wasn't playing anything,

1030
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:15,320
he was just singing. But Rico Cassik fired, the drummer fired,

1031
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,519
the bass player, had ben Or takeover on bass, fired,

1032
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,840
the guitarist, brought in Ellie Eastman, and then that's how

1033
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,199
they became the new band that decided they needed the

1034
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:27,800
new name of the Cars.

1035
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,639
Speaker 3: Hey. You know, they actually make a conscious effort to

1036
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,320
not include like car related things on their videos or

1037
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,760
make references everything.

1038
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,559
Speaker 1: But drive. Well, think about I was gonna say they

1039
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,239
didn't have a car and drive. It was just the

1040
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,960
name of the song, right, Who's going to drive you home?

1041
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: There you go? Yeah, Okay, last song on the album.

1042
00:53:49,880 --> 00:54:11,239
This song is called Heartbeat City.

1043
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,039
Speaker 1: So the name of the song was originally Jackie, right,

1044
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:17,480
which seems like a more appropriate title to me.

1045
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: It's not as cool, but it's not as.

1046
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,119
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's right. Heartbeat City is an interesting name, and

1047
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,039
I can see why they chose that as the album name.

1048
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,639
Speaker 3: Ye, Jackie falls flat a little bit, a little bit, Yeah, okay,

1049
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:30,559
I changed my answer. This is my skipper.

1050
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1051
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: This was the sixth single. This was released only in

1052
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,199
the UK. This doesn't really do a lot for me.

1053
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, it's got it's got a polished

1054
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:43,039
sound to it, and it's got a good melody, but

1055
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,719
it is just kind of dry. Okay.

1056
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: Now, they performed four songs at Live eight.

1057
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you might think banger right, drive all time, huge, right,

1058
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:15,480
just what I needed in heartbeat City, right right? Well,

1059
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:17,519
I think that there is I think there are some

1060
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,440
people who enjoy this song. It's just not my bag

1061
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:24,079
man right now. We of course have the Mutt Laying

1062
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:27,079
sound on it. It's very clean, very precise, and we

1063
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,400
mentioned before that a lot of the guys who worked

1064
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,519
with Mutt, you know, even though he was very obsessive

1065
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:38,880
about how good the sound had to be they enjoyed

1066
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,800
working with him. I don't think that was the case

1067
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:41,199
for the.

1068
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: Cars, No, definitely not now as I understand it.

1069
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: They basically did most of the work with him, but

1070
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,159
finally just kind of had enough and they're like, hey,

1071
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,440
we're good. We're just going to take what we've got

1072
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:54,000
so far and head back home.

1073
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,559
Speaker 3: I saw that too. That really kind of surprised me.

1074
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they've got I don't and I don't know

1075
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,119
where they end and ended up finishing the album City

1076
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:05,559
It was in New York City, okay, because they have

1077
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,760
their own studio. Like early on, like in nineteen eighty one,

1078
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:14,880
they bought a studio there in Boston is called Intermedia Studios,

1079
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,239
and it looked pretty cool, like they redid it and

1080
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:19,760
they did it the way they wanted it. Like I

1081
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,960
watched this old weird documentary that I sent you that

1082
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,119
was like Cars Drivers and Elliott Eastman, like Easton. I

1083
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,960
was like, was Elliott Easton the star of this movie? Right?

1084
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,800
But anyway, they'd go into great detail about how they

1085
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:39,440
built this studio, but the only Cars album that they

1086
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,320
recorded there was Shake It Up. So I think it

1087
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,719
ended up just being like a hangout place they would

1088
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,639
talk about, how, you know, like Iggy Pop would showup.

1089
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:48,519
They're like, hey, let's go over the studio and just

1090
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,400
they just sit around and play music and just have

1091
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:56,000
fun in this studio, which pretty cool idea, It is cool.

1092
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,679
But I guess they did not finish the album up

1093
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,840
in Boston. They finished it up in New York City.

1094
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, it's time for final judgment.

1095
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we're done with the album already. Now

1096
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:11,360
we have to decide is it this Heartbeat City or

1097
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:17,000
is it Reckless? By Brian Adams. Yes, okay, I told

1098
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:20,360
you when I knew that we were doing another mud

1099
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,119
laying album. I didn't want to just use my at yourbuds.

1100
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:25,599
I didn't just want to use my car stereo. I

1101
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,880
bought myself some over the ears noise canceling headphones, and

1102
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:34,159
it was worth the money to buy them. This is

1103
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:35,960
what I did when I listened to Pyromania for the

1104
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,599
first time, and it was worth it then as well.

1105
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:42,320
It's just I just pretended like it was nineteen eighty

1106
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,800
four and I just bought the album sticking this thing on,

1107
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:50,639
and my mind was blown. Like he makes so much

1108
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:56,559
use of stereo and panning and volume, and it is

1109
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:02,840
a pristine work of art. Okay, I love it. Yeah,

1110
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,599
I love so many of the songs on this album,

1111
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:13,639
but walking out the Door, I cannot overcome the rock

1112
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,639
beauty of Reckless Summer sixty nine. Run to You, I mean,

1113
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,199
just run to you. Just That's all I want to say,

1114
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:26,800
over and over is run to You and banger after

1115
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,840
banger after banger. There is not a skipper on that album.

1116
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,119
And it was an album that it wasn't very familiar

1117
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,599
with before we started doing this episode, and it could

1118
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:40,159
be different on it in any given day, but right now,

1119
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:42,360
as I'm sitting here, it's the winner for me. It's

1120
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,559
Reckless by Bryanos.

1121
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: Okay, So I think I was the one who came

1122
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,400
up with this matchup. We were talking about what were

1123
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,400
we going to compare Reckless to. We talked about doing

1124
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,079
Phil Collins, we talked about doing some other things, and

1125
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,320
I'm like, you know, a album packed with hits from

1126
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,519
nineteen eighty four is really what we're looking for, and

1127
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,199
that was Heartbeat City. And I own this album and

1128
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:03,480
I love this album, and I love Mutt Lang. He's

1129
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:08,400
like James Cameron of album producers. So anything he does

1130
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,360
I love. There are no skippers on Heartbeat City. There

1131
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,800
are some that are less than others, but there's no skippers.

1132
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,639
There's no skippers on Reckless either. So the question then

1133
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:18,880
becomes what songs do.

1134
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,719
Speaker 1: I like better?

1135
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:25,679
Speaker 3: I would love to disagree with you, but I cannot.

1136
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:32,119
Reckless is the better album based on the sheer rock

1137
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:38,920
beauty that Reckless puts forth. However, the video game for

1138
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:43,280
the cars is much stronger. The videos for you might think,

1139
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:47,960
and Magic and Hello Again are better really than anything

1140
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,320
anything Brian as put out. True, he didn't concentrate on

1141
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,159
music videos. He concentrated on the songs, and that's fine.

1142
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,880
The songs are better, but the cars videos are much better.

1143
00:59:59,079 --> 00:59:59,880
That's where I come down.

1144
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: Wow. So this is one of those few times where

1145
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:04,280
we're in agreement.

1146
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:05,079
Speaker 2: Age.

1147
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: They seem to be happening more and more of these days.

1148
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:13,599
Baker streeted this one again. We ran together. Well, guys,

1149
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:16,079
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1150
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,320
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1151
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:21,679
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1152
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:27,599
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1153
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:31,719
gmail dot com. We've had so many people emailing us

1154
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,800
and giving us ideas and thoughts. We had a great

1155
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,679
email from a guy named Chuck Bryan, who's now going

1156
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,159
to come co host an episode when we compare Phantom,

1157
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,480
Menace and Star Trek the Motion Picture as you know,

1158
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,679
a couple of well were these of swinging a miss?

1159
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,039
Or should you revisit these movies and take a look

1160
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:52,639
at them again?

1161
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: I want to know what our Canadian friends thought about

1162
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,639
Reckless versus Heartbeat City. So that's Cameron Eckert, That's Tim App,

1163
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:01,639
that's Atti Know, that's.

1164
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: Your buddy Chris Hancock. Yeah.

1165
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: Do you guys love Brian Adams as much as we

1166
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:06,440
think you do?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right? Do we have any fans in Boston? I

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don't know anyway.

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Speaker 3: Doug Huggins from Boston.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Doug, what do you think of the

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cars Man?

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Speaker 3: There you go? Okay, Next week we are diving into

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the best of nineteen eighty nine Top seven Songs of

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nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna tell you, I feel like there's

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gonna be a lot of rock ballads going on, a

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lot of soft rock going on, a lot of love

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songs going on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, definitely kind of the peak of hair metal, but

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a lot we had to eliminate from our list because

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we already covered him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come back for that.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait. Thank you guys so much. We

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will see you next week. It's the track team that's

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not even practicing anymore. They have texted no less than

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thirty nine times in the last five seconds. What the heck.