WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.319 I've been writing about and investigating UFOs for well over 2 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:06.320 twenty years, and most of that time I've been employed 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.599 full time to do that work. I've written dozens of articles, 4 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:13.320 I've been on many UFO programs, and I'm often interviewed 5 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:17.640 by news outlets. Claims from credible witnesses of incredible things 6 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.920 have inspired me to keep an open mind to the 7 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:24.920 extraordinary possibilities when it comes to the nature of UFOs, 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:29.280 often referred to as UAP when it comes to scientific investigation. 9 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:32.640 The goal of this podcast is to provide credible news 10 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:37.280 and information to ground this cosmic conversation. Welcome to Open 11 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:51.039 minds UAP News. My name is Alejandro Rojas and I'll 12 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.960 be your host that Open minds YOUAP News. Some of 13 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:59.000 you may have been longtime listeners to the show. In fact, 14 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:03.439 we've been doing what We launched a show probably thirteen 15 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.000 fifteen years ago, something like that, and I've got exciting 16 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.280 news on the next episode. My co host from the 17 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:14.239 original Open Mind jop News, Jason McClellan, will be joining 18 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:17.719 us on the next episode. The format for this show 19 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:22.879 going forward will be to go over the latest UFO news. 20 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.120 We'll have a guest or I'll go over some information. 21 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:28.920 In fact, on this episode, I'm going to kind of 22 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.840 ground us on what is the status of things, how 23 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:35.159 do we move forward, what I think is important moving forward, 24 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:37.640 and what you can expect from this show. The last 25 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:41.480 segment of each episode, we'll look at some videos where 26 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:45.000 we either can't explain what it is and it's kind 27 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.760 of an educational moment for all of us for what's 28 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:51.719 going on in our skies, or more exciting, perhaps some 29 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:54.480 videos at least that I can't explain that either you 30 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.680 can help me with or perhaps we'll just go on 31 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.640 explained and that's exciting. That's what we're looking for. Most 32 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:04.599 of these videos will come from the Enigma app. It's 33 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:09.800 an app where you can report UFO sightings. And what's 34 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.960 cool is because it's at base, we're getting a lot 35 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.680 of videos. I work with Enigma as a consultant and 36 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.319 every day I look at the cool videos that are 37 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.120 coming across. So that's why I have all these videos 38 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:25.000 to look at, and of course I think, as all 39 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:30.400 review momentarily that you know, when it comes to this topic, 40 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:34.120 one of the most important things we can do is 41 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:36.719 try to use center data such as the data we 42 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:41.319 get through our phones to get that data analyzed and 43 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:46.680 then hopefully, you know, get scientific analysis and papers written 44 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.840 so we can have a consensus among the scientific community 45 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.360 that at least one of these cases is truly anomalous. 46 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.719 But first, let's go ahead and get into the news. 47 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.479 I do want to inform people that if you're not 48 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:08.319 following Open Minds on social media, you should, because if 49 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:10.319 you see here on the right, you're going to see 50 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.840 our Facebook posts and these are all the latest breaking 51 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:18.800 news on UAP, updated on a nearly daily basis. But 52 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.919 let's get into it. This is a new paper that 53 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.599 just came out on Nature, really important. Nature is one 54 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:33.199 of the most respective scientific journals, and this one is 55 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.560 about UFOs, not necessarily in the light that many of 56 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.400 us want to see it, but I wanted to review 57 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:42.840 this news because I think it's really important, because this 58 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:47.039 kind of sets the tone for the show that I 59 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:50.360 and as people know my perspective, but it gives us 60 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:54.000 more guidance on how to be careful and credible and 61 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.400 make sure that we're sticking to science, so we're not 62 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:02.400 just creating more conspiracies based off of information that really 63 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.240 doesn't help anything. It doesn't help us get to the truth. 64 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.960 It just keeps us chasing our tails, so we're not 65 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.280 focused on gathering real data to really understand what's going 66 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:16.920 on with this phenomenon. This paper is of course titled 67 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:23.279 Exploring Expert Figures in Alien related UFO Conspiracy Theories, and 68 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:29.360 they kind of review how these conspiracies theories get created. 69 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.240 But the beginning of this paper goes over the whole 70 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:40.199 idea of conspiracies altogether, for example nine to eleven conspiracies. 71 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:47.439 In particular, it goes over conspiracies such as vaccines. It 72 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:52.639 talks about how scientists, and you know, the belief of 73 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:59.000 individual scientists is kind of conflated to verify scientifically some 74 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:03.720 point of view, or papers that just have zero credibility 75 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.519 being touted as science when they're not. The idea of 76 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:12.519 autism being created by vaccines as an example of that. 77 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.600 And yes, we're going to be looking at real science here, 78 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.240 not conspiracy theories popular ideas. We're going to be looking 79 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:21.759 at the data, and the data shows that that's not 80 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.920 the case. But a paper written by some non credible 81 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:28.639 people got out and it gets touted as science when 82 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.639 it's not, And of course that happens in this field 83 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.199 a lot. The other thing that this paper goes over 84 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:40.879 is scientific validation versus consensus, and you often hear me 85 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.800 talking about that. Just because a scientist comes out and 86 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:49.040 says they believe X, Y or z, it doesn't verify 87 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.639 the phenomena that they're referring to. When we're talking about 88 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:58.240 science and really understanding, we're talking about a consensus among 89 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:02.439 the scientific community. So what we have to do as 90 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:07.959 a UFO community or those interested in UAP and going forward. 91 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.959 I'll use that term mostly, which kind of essentially really 92 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.079 means the same thing as UFO, but these days is 93 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.480 looked upon as kind of the credible or scientific investigation 94 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:22.879 of UFOs. But a consensus is what we're looking for. 95 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.279 So what you want is a paper to be written, 96 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.040 You want a community of scientists to look at it 97 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:31.079 and to agree or to argue and debate it back 98 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.319 and forth to be able to get to some sort 99 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:38.360 of consensus. That's the goal, not just having one person 100 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:40.959 here or there. And when it comes to UFOs, a 101 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.600 lot of times you have scientists that are talking about 102 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.199 fields that they don't really have expertise in and trying 103 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.560 to make claims about these things. So this kind of 104 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:55.199 goes over that. Some of the other things that it 105 00:06:55.240 --> 00:07:00.279 goes over is looking at social media. They found that 106 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:05.639 there was a big problem with conspiratorial communities, especially UFO communities, 107 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:11.600 sowing distrust and authorities, something that I've always talked against 108 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:16.600 that I think is really dangerous and unwarranted. In my experience, 109 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.160 I seek to work with authorities to see what they 110 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.199 have to say. We'll interview people who are in positions 111 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:26.240 of authority and in that they work for institutions that 112 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.800 are credible. I've always sought to do that and get 113 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.519 their insight and my experience, these people are very genuine, 114 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:37.639 they're looking for answers, They're devoted to looking for answers. 115 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:43.920 They're not prone to at least that wanting to just 116 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.399 kind of make information out there and push an angle 117 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:52.519 without that evidence. It also talks about the urgent need 118 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:57.800 for enhanced scientific literacy and critical thinking, something I think 119 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:03.079 is absolutely necessary, a very important point, and that's kind 120 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:06.439 of the whole point of this show is to try 121 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:12.720 to educate ourselves to enhance our scientific literacy so we 122 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:16.639 understand what science is and how things work and why. 123 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.879 You know, there's a perspective that you may not understand uh, 124 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.079 and also critical thinking, you know, as opposed to just 125 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:28.199 kind of going with whatever is popular out there using 126 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.039 your brain, you know, to try to sess out the 127 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:35.519 real kind of media information. That's the perspective that we're 128 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.240 going to be looking at. And when I get into 129 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.799 my talk and just a little bit, I'll go over 130 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.720 more of how that works specifically for what's going on 131 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:47.360 in the UFO community and how that's important. But I 132 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:51.320 think this paper is really really good. I think it's great. 133 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:55.960 It doesn't really talk about the evidence or whether UFOs 134 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.559 are a thing or what they might be. It's more 135 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:03.720 talking about how how alien related UFO conspiracies start and 136 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:08.840 gets spread. All right. Next, so getting into some of 137 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.039 what's out there and kind of an example, here is 138 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.799 some of the news that is coming from the media 139 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:20.080 on this event. So here is Jeremy Corbel. You know, 140 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.120 I've interviewed him many times. Of course he goes way 141 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.440 back with open minds, but we always don't necessarily agree 142 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.879 on things, and that's certainly the case here where they're 143 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.200 putting out this new video saying that it's an unidentified 144 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.039 tic TAC object, that it was off the coast of 145 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.519 California in twenty twenty three when this occurred. I'm going 146 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.279 to go back so we can look at the object 147 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.360 a little more in free s frame on it, and 148 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:47.799 the reason being that so this object looks like a 149 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.960 TikTok in this video, but there's a problem that get 150 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.240 and something that gets lost in this messaging. And this 151 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.320 is where it's really difficult and unfortunate the way a 152 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.399 lot of these people are putting this information out and 153 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.440 it doesn't help the situation. In fact, it hurts it 154 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.799 many times. And what I mean by that is this 155 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.240 is a fleer video. We should by now start to 156 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:14.080 educate ourselves and know something about flair. Flair is where 157 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:17.720 we're looking infrared radar. What that means is that this 158 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:21.279 is a camera that's looking for heat signatures. In this case, 159 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:25.240 you have a tic tac shaped or an oblong heat 160 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:29.360 signature that is not an object. And that's what's really 161 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.639 unfortunate for people like Jeremy and others to go out 162 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:36.480 and say this is a tic tac object is completely inaccurate. 163 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.720 We know this because we've looked at different cases. In fact, 164 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.200 there's some flear cases that I think are mysterious and 165 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.240 great and we'll review those over time. We have in 166 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.879 the past, but you know, we've got to make sure 167 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:54.639 we know what we're looking at to understand the sensor 168 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.440 data that we're analyzing. In this case, this is only 169 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:02.559 a heat signature. No indication here at all that we 170 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:06.440 can see the actual shape of the physical object. So 171 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.000 we don't know if that's a tic Tac shaped object, 172 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.639 and it's inaccurate to go out and say it is 173 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.080 a tic Tac shaped object when we just don't have 174 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.840 that information with this video alone. The other thing with 175 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.840 this video is uh that it just doesn't show the 176 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:27.679 object doing anything anomalous. So it comes down to and 177 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.240 we'll hear this a lot a lack of data. We 178 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.720 don't really have enough data to show what's going on 179 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.000 with whatever this object is, let alone to say that 180 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.440 it's something anomalous or you know, something that could not 181 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.399 or is not man made. Another problem with this new 182 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:49.120 story is that there are a lot of alleged witnesses 183 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:53.000 who saw this or that, and going forward, I'm not 184 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.799 going to be covering a lot of whistleblowers and people 185 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.679 unidentified people saying this or that because it's not reliable information. 186 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.480 What can you do that with that. We've been getting 187 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.679 that for decades. That's what I've been covering and writing about, 188 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:12.080 and it gets us nowhere. So I'm you know this, obviously, 189 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.200 I'm very critical of this situation. I think it's great 190 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.320 that these guys are out there taking an interest in 191 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:19.960 this and looking for data and collecting this data, but 192 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.360 I wish it'd be a little bit more disciplined about 193 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.799 how they release this data. You know, I'll be going 194 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.840 over well, I'll be going over more about this in 195 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.600 detail in just a minute. Another case sets out there, 196 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:35.879 and I should back up a bit because I don't 197 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:37.480 have it on here, but there was a group called 198 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:43.200 the Skywatchers. They also have released some videos lately. But 199 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.559 I've released a video and I'll put a link to 200 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:50.240 it up here on the top ten and Enigma videos 201 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.320 at re received according to me in twenty twenty four. 202 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.960 And I feel that our videos are more interesting than 203 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.399 what the Skywatchers got. Of course, we're collecting video that 204 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.320 people are recording, mostly with their phones. That's what they got. 205 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:06.799 The problem is that I think that they're just a 206 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:10.639 little newer to this, so they are mistaking balloons and 207 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:14.159 other things for UAP. The other thing that they do 208 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.679 is that they say that they try to psychically call 209 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:22.240 in aliens and then they get these objects. That's been 210 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.000 going on for a long time too. I'll do a 211 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.279 video in the future here, we'll all attempt to do that. 212 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:32.799 But here's my prediction, because this is what I've experienced 213 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.759 myself going out in the field many many times to 214 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.399 look for UAP, is that when you go out and 215 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:42.240 you meditate, you see things in the sky. You see 216 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.960 planes or balloons or things that you can't understand that 217 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.720 you record and can look like what the skywatcher's got 218 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:49.799 or that we get at. I think a lot of 219 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.759 times you can also go out there and not meditate 220 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:57.240 and get the same thing, still get odd strange things. 221 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.240 So I just don't feel that the the meditation or 222 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.399 the psychic connection has been established. I think what I 223 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:07.720 just described is the sort of work where you have 224 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:10.759 a control and then you do your experiment, you know, 225 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:13.240 is where you can kind of validate that sort of thing. 226 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.440 That's really kind of how science works. So I wish, 227 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.080 although these people are kind of espousing to do science, 228 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.639 that they would do that sort of thing to verify 229 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.440 whether there's some veracity to what they're saying, this is 230 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:30.519 the kind of thing we should be doing. Here's a 231 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:35.639 paper in Science Alert, an article in fair AI camera 232 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.840 proposed to scan Earth's skys for science of alien visitors. 233 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.879 In fact, that's what my talk is going to be about, 234 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.120 why this is the sort of thing we should do. 235 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:49.559 We need to gather data. If we don't have enough data, 236 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.039 if all of these cases come down to a lack 237 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:55.360 of data, then obviously we need to gather more data. 238 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.440 How do we do that. We put out there more 239 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:04.960 sophisticated technology sensors. So in this case, they are using 240 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.480 what others are using out there, and I'm going to 241 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:09.679 review some of the programs that are out there that 242 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:14.639 are similar. But this one they call Daylek because their 243 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:19.279 system that they've created looks like a Daylek from Doctor Who. 244 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.360 But what they have is a system where they have 245 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.039 an all sky camera, a bunch of other cameras, a 246 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.799 bunch of other sensors that are detecting a bunch of 247 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.360 information about UAP. So they can deploy these things and 248 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:35.639 then hopefully capture something, and when they do, they've got 249 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:38.360 a lot more telemetry and then just the video. As 250 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:43.480 it says here it's multimodal, it's multi spectrum, it's ground based. 251 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.320 And this is really this is another great point. And 252 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.440 this is kind of frustrating because it's a preview of 253 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.519 what I'm going to be reviewing with you all later. 254 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.000 But Aviy Lobe says here, often in the US government 255 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:59.279 data is classified, either because it was collected by classified 256 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.440 sensors or because it is not fully understood and could 257 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:06.320 potentially be relevant for national security. When in doubt, they 258 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:12.799 decide not to release data. Alvi Lobe is a professor 259 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:16.399 at Harvard who is actually in charge of the Galileo Project, 260 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:20.000 which is a group that is putting this together. Incidentally, 261 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.600 next month, I will be on a panel at Arizona 262 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:28.919 State University with Abby Lobe, Micwest, and Lincoln Tai and 263 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.759 we'll be talking about this sort of thing. But I 264 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:34.759 agree with them one hundred percent. If they're not going 265 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:36.639 to give us data, then we've got to go out 266 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.639 there and get the data ourselves. And so that's what 267 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.159 this is about, is them deploying a new system. So 268 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.279 a really great article, and this is a direction that 269 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.919 we need to go next an ad All right, let's 270 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.919 see what's here. Here's more science and I love this 271 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.159 UFOs in space is it possible to launch a flying 272 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.360 saucer into space and return it to Earth? And what 273 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:05.279 he's talking about is the shape a saucer. Is that 274 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:10.160 really a shape that is conducive to flying around in 275 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:16.640 our atmosphere or in space. He analyzes different projects that 276 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:21.000 are similar to discs, and he talks about, you know, acceleration, 277 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.880 whether or not it's a shape that kind of lends 278 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:30.400 itself to being able to provide lift that sort of thing. 279 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.079 So it's a very interesting article, something that I think 280 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:38.599 would be interesting for everybody to look at. But this 281 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:42.079 is a great one. This is just from today, or 282 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:44.720 actually this video is going to launch tomorrow, So this 283 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:49.039 is from Wednesday. So a really exciting piece of news 284 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.599 that came forward. And this is scientist hailed the strongest 285 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.599 evidence so far for life beyond our Solar System. So 286 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:01.519 an astrophysicist team say, observation of chemical compounds maybe the 287 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:05.319 tipping point in search for extraterrestrial life. So the James 288 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:08.960 Web Telescope is able to look at planets at vast 289 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.119 distances and they can use different things such as the 290 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.519 coloring and other things to detect like what sort of 291 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:19.000 gases are in the atmosphere in this case, and this 292 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:24.279 planet is called K two eighteen B. Hopefully they come 293 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:28.160 up with a more fun name than that. This planet 294 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.839 is showing possibilities of having gases that are similar to ours. 295 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:38.519 They call it a chemical fingerprints similar to those on 296 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.240 Earth that have produced life. So they're saying that this 297 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.799 right now is the best evidence that there could be 298 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:50.079 life out there, extraterrestrial life. I think this is really 299 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:54.799 important because if scientists, whether that beyond Mars, the Moon, 300 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.000 or K two eighteen B, I think if they discover 301 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.920 even micro or the possibility that life did exist on 302 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.960 another planet, that's going to be really important. I think 303 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.799 if people discover, hey, there actually is some life out there, 304 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:14.319 then it will lend people to think, well, how advanced 305 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.079 is that life? Where else can that life be? And 306 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:20.799 I hope that will also try to begin to invigorate 307 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:25.200 people to or begin to influence people to do more 308 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:29.960 research into UFOs and UAP and investigate those the way 309 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:34.240 that Avlobe and Galileo are and other organizations or the 310 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.480 way that I'm going to be proposing here coming up 311 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.640 in just a minute. So this is really exciting news However, 312 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:46.519 you always need to temper your expectations when it comes 313 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:50.960 to science or otherwise. If you hear things that are 314 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.440 too good to be true, especially in UFOs, it's most 315 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:58.599 likely they are not only too good to be true, unfortunately, 316 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.119 sometimes they're just flat out life. In this case, the 317 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.200 NPR story's title is is this a hunt for life 318 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:07.759 on another world? Or just a lot of hot air? 319 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.799 The article is similar to other articles that are coming 320 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:15.000 out in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, 321 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.839 So lots of really important news outlets are covering this story, 322 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.839 but this one they're also saying, you know, this isn't 323 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:27.440 completely confirmed, so hold on, We're still doing work to 324 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.799 confirm this. But if we can confirm this, it's going 325 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.519 to be really exciting. And it does bring me to 326 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.079 a quote one of the scientists said. She said, this 327 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.680 is one of those cases where extraordinary claims are going 328 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:43.839 to require extraordinary evidence, and we may know that. There 329 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:46.319 are some people, especially in the UFO field, who don't 330 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.720 like that, saying they're like, that's not it's not how 331 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:55.720 science works. Science doesn't require extraordinary evidence. I completely disagree, 332 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.680 and pleasure you're looking at the term extraordinary the idea 333 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.279 that life is out there and we can confirm it. 334 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:05.359 I think that's extraordinary. So any evidence we're going to 335 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:09.039 have to that end is going to be extraordinary kind 336 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:11.839 of by nature. But let's even back up a little 337 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:16.079 bit and say, well, why does something Why do certain 338 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:23.160 categories of scientific discovery need more evidence than others. Well, 339 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:26.759 if they're remember we're getting back to this scientific consensus. 340 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.319 Scientists don't want to be wrong, and you know, there 341 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.759 are times where we get really excited about something that 342 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.920 could be extraordinary and then it turns out to be wrong, 343 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.640 and that's a huge letdown and it can be really 344 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:43.599 damaging to that field of study. So you always need 345 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:49.519 to temper expectations and you need to be really, really sure. 346 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:52.240 So in this case, they are going to be looking 347 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.759 for more evidence and for this extraordinary claim. It's just 348 00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:59.559 the way it goes. If you're looking for a scientific consensus, 349 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:04.359 we're all humans, you're going to need some extraordinary evidence. Sorry, 350 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.960 that's the nature of things. But it's probably better it's 351 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.000 that way, because if we go off of bad information, 352 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:13.519 we can make big mistakes, and we don't want to 353 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:17.400 be doing that. We need to confirm these sort of 354 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:23.960 extraordinary possibilities. So that's the news for this week. Exciting 355 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:28.559 stuff for all of these news items. If there's any updates, 356 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:32.079 I'll be sure to be letting you know in future episodes, 357 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:36.000 and I'll bring on some people friends and researchers to 358 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.079 talk about some of that news and experts that have 359 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:44.240 something to do with that news that we're reviewing, including 360 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:48.680 people from galawat Leo or otherwise. But next, let's get 361 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:56.519 into my presentation. So this presentation I actually delivered at 362 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.839 Phoenix MoveOn last week, and I really kind of felt 363 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:04.279 that it was a good outline for my perspective looking 364 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:09.079 for some common ground and looking for opportunities where we 365 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.119 don't have to sit and wait for others to do 366 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.960 the work and hopefully come up with something and we 367 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.519 can do it ourselves. So I called this UFO Videos 368 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.400 and the Need for UAP Data Collection and Analysis the 369 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.200 UFO Video part. I reviewed some really cool Enigma videos 370 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.799 that we got a lot of those you could see 371 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:32.279 in that top ten video I talked about earlier. But 372 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.200 I will also at the after we're done with this, 373 00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:39.480 we'll end with reviewing some cool Enigma sidings, so stay 374 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:42.599 tuned for that. But let's take a look here. First 375 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.079 of all, who am I? Just in case you're tuning 376 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.519 into this new if you're from the Den of Geek group, 377 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.480 Den of Geek is now sponsoring I'm partnering with them 378 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.400 on this podcast, So if you're new to my show, 379 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:56.960 who am I? I am the host of course, of 380 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:01.039 Open Buying UAP News. I'm an editor and webmaster at 381 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:05.599 Openminds dot tv. I'm a consultant for Enigma Labs, the 382 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.039 app that we got these videos on that we'll be 383 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:13.000 looking at later. I'm also the founder of UAP Discovery 384 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.119 of five oh one C three, and I'll be talking 385 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.039 more about what we do there in just a minute. 386 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.079 And I'm a blogger and freelance journalist, so I've been 387 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.559 writing about this topic for a long time. I've also 388 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.359 been writing about science and sci fi, a lot of 389 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:29.160 that on Huffington Post and much of it also on 390 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:33.359 Den of Geek and others. Also. Formerly, some of the 391 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:35.640 stuff that I've done in the past is I've been 392 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.680 the director of education and a spokesperson for the Mutual 393 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:43.559 UFO Network they're headquarters. Also, i was a host and 394 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:47.680 coordinator of the International UFO Congress. Maybe some of you 395 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.960 got to go to that, but that was kind of 396 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:53.680 old school, one of the bigger conferences, and a lot 397 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.079 of people say one of the best UFO conferences in 398 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.799 the past, and that's me and my Like I said, 399 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.599 I'm on a lot of television shows. I've been on 400 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.079 Ancient Aliens quite a bit, and one of the time 401 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:10.720