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<v Speaker 1>He's a nice side with Dan Ray. I'm Wbzy Costin's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition, a big injury to Jason Tatum. Looks as

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<v Speaker 2>if he has heard badly hurt his right ankle. Just

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<v Speaker 2>saw some video of him being in a wheelchair being

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<v Speaker 2>taken from the from the arena. That is not a

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<v Speaker 2>good look, that is for sure. Well, that is not

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<v Speaker 2>what we're here to talk about. It's been a tough

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<v Speaker 2>night for the Red Sox and it looks like also

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<v Speaker 2>a tough night for the Celtics in New York. They

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<v Speaker 2>go down three to one. But we'll we'll move on

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<v Speaker 2>to our next guest tonight, which is much more important

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<v Speaker 2>on my agenda, and we're talking about the road to

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<v Speaker 2>recovery in America. Last Thursday night, we had a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting guest during the eight o'clock hour. He's back with us.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Adam Vibe Gunton. He's a recovered drug

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<v Speaker 2>addict attic, an overdose survivor, TED talk speaker, and founder

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<v Speaker 2>of Recovered on Purpose and Behavioral Health Partners. Adam, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to Night's that. I really enjoyed our conversation last

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<v Speaker 2>week on Thursday, and I'm looking forward to giving folks

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to share some of their experiences and ask

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<v Speaker 2>questions of you tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back, Thanks so much for having me, Dan, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just have this sense that there's someone out there

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<v Speaker 3>that is going to hear something that is going to

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<v Speaker 3>change their life tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm convinced of it, to be really honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and it happens. Happens in radio quite a bit. So look,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to recreate your story for those who missed

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<v Speaker 2>your story last Thursday night. We were one of our

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<v Speaker 2>eight o'clock guests. So I was surprised and it was ironic.

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<v Speaker 2>You went to Columbine High School. And the other night

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<v Speaker 2>I asked you that Columbine High School and you said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the shooting at Columbine High School I heard in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. You were not there at the time. You

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<v Speaker 2>you went to Columbine after this horrific shooting. Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, I was at Colmine Hills Elementary. I was the

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<v Speaker 3>first class that came in when the freshmen that were

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<v Speaker 3>there had graduated.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you graduated from Columbine High School and I

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<v Speaker 2>know you told me you played football. You was it

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten that you graduated I'm trying to remember from

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<v Speaker 2>just our conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Thousand and six, two seven, two thousand six is my

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<v Speaker 3>senior year football.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, two thousand and seven, Okay, so you therefore, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>assuming we're born sometime in the late eighties. So you

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<v Speaker 2>got out of there as most kids as a senior.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably were eighteen years old when you graduated from Colln.

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<v Speaker 3>High School, and I round up. I round up to

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<v Speaker 3>the nineties, even though it was the late eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, Okay, that's good enough. Yeah, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember much of the of the eighties. I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally get that, all right, So what did you

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<v Speaker 2>do after high school? Did you go off to college?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you continue your education? What? What? What? What? What? Where?

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<v Speaker 2>Did life take you beginning in about the spring of

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I went up to college. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>I really had a path in mind, except it was

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<v Speaker 3>what everybody told me I was supposed to do. I

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<v Speaker 3>wrote a really, really good paper for my English class

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<v Speaker 3>about legalizing marijuana and got to got an A in

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<v Speaker 3>that class and didn't have to do any more assignments.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was mostly partying and didn't really have a

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<v Speaker 3>career path in mind, and had a traumatic event happened

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<v Speaker 3>my freshman year that kind of took me out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you're having a good time as a senior

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<v Speaker 2>in high school and you went off to college in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>I assume, or somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Else University of Northern Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>University of Northern Colorado, and it's party time. And at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, I assume, even though you're, you know, eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>going on nineteen years old, the hardest stuff you have

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<v Speaker 2>a dealt with was marijuana or some beer an alcohol.

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<v Speaker 3>I assume, Well, I was actually introduced to cocaine at

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<v Speaker 3>twelve years old, and that's why I try to pass

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<v Speaker 3>the message out that have the conversation with your kids early. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>and earlier than you think.

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<v Speaker 2>How will you introduce to cocaine at twelve? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>will you hanging with a fast crowd? Do you have

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<v Speaker 2>an older sibling who said, hey, try this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>An older influence.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say that, you know, by the way, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to name names or anything like that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm just trying to understand, and I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect that, So I understand the story. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>you go off as a college freshman. There were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of college freshmen in that era who would have

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<v Speaker 2>been familiar with cocaine or marijuana whatever, it's okay. When

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<v Speaker 2>did the slide you said that there was an int

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<v Speaker 2>or an accident? When did the slide towards even tougher

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<v Speaker 2>drugs hearted drugs start to occur? And was there an

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<v Speaker 2>incident that that puts you on that path?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Actually, my freshman year, I had now drinking and

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<v Speaker 3>partying all night like I did most nights, and I

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<v Speaker 3>woke up to my phone ringing and vibrating down by

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<v Speaker 3>my leg, and I swam through the sheets to find

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<v Speaker 3>my hard phone with the bright screen that read four

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<v Speaker 3>forty seven AM. And my best friend Chucker was calling me. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember having the choice that I could either answer

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<v Speaker 3>the phone like I always do it, Hey, what's up Chuck?

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<v Speaker 3>Or I could answer the way I was feeling was hello,

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<v Speaker 3>and am I still drunk and state? I chose the latter.

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<v Speaker 3>Twitch A soft voice replied, Hey, what's up? Why are

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<v Speaker 3>you calling you this late? I was just calling to

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<v Speaker 3>say Hi, don't call me this late again. And I

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<v Speaker 3>hung up on him, and he shot himself and within

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<v Speaker 3>a week of that happening. I was introduced to oxycont

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<v Speaker 3>so and that was the thing that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Felt responsible for your friend's suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely and for ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you feel responsible? I you know, again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to pry, but why would you not say

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, you know, it wasn't like he said to

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't talk to me, I'm going to kill myself.

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<v Speaker 2>He just he apparently needed to talk to you. You

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<v Speaker 2>were not in a condition where you could really have

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation. Why did you take that burden on yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, because I was young and I'd never been

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<v Speaker 3>taught about it. And the thing is that if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know about tough communication, you know, I've done a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of communication courses at this point, so to learn

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<v Speaker 3>how to have those hard conversations and learn how to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, take responsibility for your own actions, your own words,

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<v Speaker 3>and then also let people take responsibility for theirs. But

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, I'm eighteen nineteen years old, I didn't understand.

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<v Speaker 3>All I can do is take everything personally, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And I had to bottle it down and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>tell anybody about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So then you slid right to OxyContin to basically suppress

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<v Speaker 2>the pain that you felt, the guilt that you felt.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess everything was partying until that moment, and after

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<v Speaker 3>that moment, I was consciously using drugs and alcohol to

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<v Speaker 3>mask the way that I felt.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how long did you stay in school or were

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<v Speaker 2>you doomed to drop out?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty quickly, very quickly, very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So then you're in a kind of a spiral here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is still twenty or so years ago, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a downward spiral. And you told me last week

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<v Speaker 2>that at one point you were living in an unheated

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<v Speaker 2>house with six other addicts in Billings, Montana, in the

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<v Speaker 2>winter time. When we get back, I want to know

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<v Speaker 2>how you ended up there, and then I want to

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<v Speaker 2>start talking about your recovery, how you were able to

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<v Speaker 2>somehow get the monkey off you're back, and what you've

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<v Speaker 2>done and what you're trying to do with other people.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope you don't feel on being tough on you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just wanted to get the story out a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more slowly than we got it out the

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<v Speaker 2>other night, so that everybody could understand that this is

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<v Speaker 2>not something that happened you overnight. Obviously, there's a sequence

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<v Speaker 2>of events, one leading to the other, and then ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>now you find yourself in buildings Montana, living in an

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<v Speaker 2>unheeded home with six other addicts. That must have been

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<v Speaker 2>an experience. And we'll talk about that, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about your own personal recovery, and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what you're trying to do for other people. My guest

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<v Speaker 2>is an amazing young guy, Adam Vibe Gunton. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how much I respect people who overcome this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had friends, close friends who have overcome heroin. H

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's that. The paths are there. People find the

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<v Speaker 2>path finds them or they find the path and they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're good people. And sometimes people don't don't find the

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<v Speaker 2>help that they need.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what hopefully we can do Tonight. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back on night Side. If you like to join the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation at any point, you know the numbers. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's News Radio. You're on

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is Adam by Gunton. The organization that he

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<v Speaker 2>has founded Recovered on Purpose and also behavioral health partners.

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<v Speaker 2>So Adam, we're talking about a you know, high school

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<v Speaker 2>kid who maybe drabbled a little bit in this and

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<v Speaker 2>that goes off to call en parties hardy and then

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<v Speaker 2>is adversely impacted by a friend who calls him at

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<v Speaker 2>four forty seven in the morning, and not much of

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation. Your friend hangs up and kills himself, and

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<v Speaker 2>that puts you on a downward spiral. So I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 2>this is sometime now in two thousand and six. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're a freshman at the University of Northern Colorado, how

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<v Speaker 2>long did it take you to hit rock bottom from

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, rock bottom is such an interesting concept because

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you about different rock bottoms throughout my addiction. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>by twenty thirteen, I was in an apartment alone trying

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<v Speaker 3>to write my own suicide letter. But it got worse

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<v Speaker 3>from there, and I thought it was rock bottom when

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<v Speaker 3>I was, you know, right in that suicide letter. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I thought it was rock bottom three and a

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<v Speaker 3>half years later, when I was in a homeless shelter

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<v Speaker 3>looking around at the other men on cots and trying

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<v Speaker 3>to say a prayer, and then they got kicked out

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<v Speaker 3>of the homeless shelter, So my rock bottom it didn't

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<v Speaker 3>exist until you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like to me, you're finding new rock bottoms

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<v Speaker 2>as you're going, as you're bouncing along here. So now

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<v Speaker 2>you're in buildings Montana in the middle of winter, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a cold part of the world. Uh, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>living in an unheated home. How did you find this

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<v Speaker 2>group of fellow drug addicts? Is this the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>thing that people who find themselves out in horrific circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of almost sense that there are other people

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<v Speaker 3>How does that work? Yeah, I mean when you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>for drugs, you find the people with them, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to be alone. You hang out with

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<v Speaker 3>them and use drugs. And that house had no electricity,

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<v Speaker 2>In inside the house to save the house. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you spent ten years on this downward spiral.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you lose contact with your family members.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was homeless. Yes, I actually remembered throwing my

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want them to watch me die. Because at this time,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think I was going to be able to stop.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd been trying basically this entire time for eight years,

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<v Speaker 3>going to meetings or church or all kinds of different places,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to stop, and I just couldn't. So I felt

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<v Speaker 2>So you periodically been in touch with them? Did you

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<v Speaker 3>Well during my addiction, I mean they wasn't. I was

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<v Speaker 3>high functioning. I was making six figures as a salesperson.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just all going into my arm. I was

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<v Speaker 3>it was. It was only the last about year, year

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<v Speaker 3>and a half of my addiction where I had nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>You had nothing, Okay, So what happened in that house

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<v Speaker 2>in Montana or in Billings, Montana that somehow allowed you

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<v Speaker 2>to separate from this lifestyle?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, after trying for months going to twelve Step meetings

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<v Speaker 3>every day, church every Saturday and Sunday, Bible study every Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>I even went to the local mmagent thinking they might

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<v Speaker 3>be able to beat recovery into me, but nothing was working.

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<v Speaker 3>And one night before Bible study, I was sitting in

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<v Speaker 3>but I did have to start it with a screwdriver

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason. But I was sitting in this car

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<v Speaker 3>before Bible study, and I had a realization that I

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<v Speaker 3>in that seat and I audibly said to God, I'm done.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to church, I'm not going to Bible studies,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to meetings or probation officer anymore. Please

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<v Speaker 3>just let me die. And for the first time I

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<v Speaker 3>said that was such conviction and honesty that I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like He knew that it was time that I was

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<v Speaker 3>ready to give my life fully up to him. And

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<v Speaker 3>at the time I didn't realize that, but I heard

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<v Speaker 3>this whisper in my heart that you know that whisper

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<v Speaker 3>when you hear it, and it said it's time go.

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<v Speaker 3>And at that point, you know, you would think you

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<v Speaker 3>get super excited, like, oh my gosh, I'm going to recover.

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<v Speaker 3>But I got angry at first, because what's different about

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<v Speaker 3>this time than all the times that I've dumped my

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<v Speaker 3>dope in the toilet at night saying I'm never going

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<v Speaker 3>to use again? And then I wake up in the

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<v Speaker 3>morning and I pawn my TV to go pick up

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<v Speaker 3>What's different about this time? And I'm screaming and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>and the roof, and what's different about this time? God,

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<v Speaker 3>please just let me die? And I'm crying. And then

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<v Speaker 3>after a couple of minutes, I'm calming down and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>breathing heavy, and then that whisper in my heart just

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<v Speaker 3>repeats himself, and he said, it's time go. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how to explain it, but I got this sense

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<v Speaker 3>of willingness that I had never had before, because up

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<v Speaker 3>to that point, my entire plan had been so tightly

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<v Speaker 3>in my grasp. I was scheduling my meetings. I was

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<v Speaker 3>scheduling church and Bible studies and NMA jims and probation

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<v Speaker 3>officers and mentors and all this stuff. My recovery was

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<v Speaker 3>so tightly in my grasp that I could never actually

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<v Speaker 3>attain it. And this oment, what I was doing was

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<v Speaker 3>giving it all up, like God, whatever you say I

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<v Speaker 3>need to do, I'm willing to do. And I go

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<v Speaker 3>to the Bible study I bust in. I'm twelve fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>minutes late, and there's there's there in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>prayer and I interrupt him and I dropped down with

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<v Speaker 3>my hands in the air and I'm I'm like, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't stop. I used again, please help me, Please

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<v Speaker 3>help me. And I'm this one hundred and forty eight

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<v Speaker 3>pound mess crying that hasn't showered. And those guys loved

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<v Speaker 3>me as if I was Jesus, as if they were

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to, and they walked me through it. They prayed

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<v Speaker 3>for me at the end, and you know that was

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<v Speaker 3>that was what it took.

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<v Speaker 2>So in effect, yeah, in effect, I'm going to use

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<v Speaker 2>the phrase here that that probably you're gonna reject, but

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<v Speaker 2>in effect, your spirit broke and you basically kind of

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<v Speaker 2>surrendered and said, okay, you know, I'm I can't do

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<v Speaker 2>it alone. It's up to you. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're what I'm hearing you say.

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<v Speaker 3>I have never heard somebody say that, Dan, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is exactly what it was. My human spirit had completely broke, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and the only one that was going to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to help me was God's spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but

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<v Speaker 2>I could hear it in your voice. Yeah, I really could.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had friends who have reached that point, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard that. I've heard that plea before. So you start,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you start? What's the first step? And we

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<v Speaker 2>of the newscast. But so now, okay, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>help you. Was the first step just to take a

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<v Speaker 2>shower and get yourself physically clean? What was the first

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<v Speaker 2>step you did? I'm serious when I get that. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you didn't go to sleep that night.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, Yeah, I mean it was. It was such

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<v Speaker 3>a process. And the person who was leading that Bible study, Brendan,

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<v Speaker 3>he's my best friend still and he you know, even

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<v Speaker 3>up to that point, he was picking me up and

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<v Speaker 3>taking me to coffee or breakfast or church or Bible

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<v Speaker 3>study because I wouldn't have a ride, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>he he would just continue to do that. Five days later,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm still out there trying to stay clean.

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<v Speaker 3>But five days later, he picks me up and takes

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<v Speaker 3>me to I Hop for breakfast, and I haven't used

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm super excited to have five days. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there across from him and talking to him, excited,

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<v Speaker 3>and I get this text message on my phone and

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<v Speaker 3>it's from my dope dealer, and he was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I just got some new stuff. It's fire. I'll give

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<v Speaker 3>you a free twenty to try out. And right when

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<v Speaker 3>I read it, I feel something going through the top

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<v Speaker 3>of my head all the way through my body. My

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<v Speaker 3>toes were tingling, my fingers were tingling. I lost my

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<v Speaker 3>peripheral vision. All I could see was the phone, and

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<v Speaker 3>then my thumbs just started texting back and it was

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<v Speaker 3>in like King James. It was like, ye shall not

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I finished the text, I feel that

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<v Speaker 3>thing leave me go through my legs all the way

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<v Speaker 3>up out of my head. And then I read it

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<v Speaker 3>because I couldn't even read it. As I was writing it,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what the heck? And I showed it

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<v Speaker 3>to Brendan. I was like, dude, that wasn't me. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what that was. I don't know who that was.

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<v Speaker 3>and then I look back up and Jesus is sitting

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<v Speaker 3>across from me. The entire restaurant completely disappeared. It was

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<v Speaker 3>like I was in a trance. There was a glow

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<v Speaker 3>coming from behind him. He was smiling at me. I

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<v Speaker 3>immediately knew who it was. Immediately knew it was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Felt my face to the table, my hand up, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you God, Thank you God, thank you. Gus came

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<v Speaker 3>back up and he was gone, and I'm I'm of

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<v Speaker 3>instant cheering, and he could take away all my cravings,

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<v Speaker 3>on my withdrawals, everything in an instant. That didn't happen

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<v Speaker 3>for me, And thank god it didn't, because for the

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<v Speaker 3>the next three weeks, I'm shaking, I'm craving every day,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm withdrawing. I'm sick. I'm sick. And the only time

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<v Speaker 3>I would get relief. Was when I was sitting down

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<v Speaker 3>with somebody that was sponsoring me through a twelve step program,

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<v Speaker 3>or when I was sitting down and I was writing

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<v Speaker 3>out my inventory and I finished my fourth step and

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<v Speaker 3>I did my fifth step on day twenty five, was

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<v Speaker 3>six thirty am. Then on day twenty six, after my

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty three mailman jeep, and we were driving to

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<v Speaker 3>this movie theater that he managed where we did the

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<v Speaker 3>work in the basement, and I was looking over at

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<v Speaker 3>this beautiful sunrise and for the first time since I

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<v Speaker 3>was twelve years old, I had no desire to drink

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<v Speaker 3>or use. And as I'm telling you this, I have

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<v Speaker 3>chills all over my arms because I remember that moment

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<v Speaker 3>when everything changed, as if my life had no hope

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<v Speaker 3>to own my gosh, I don't want to use, and

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<v Speaker 3>anyone out there struggling, it's real. I didn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you it's inspirational story, Adam, and you lived

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<v Speaker 2>it and you're able to tell it. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>the same sense listening to you that I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>you have a sense. So we're going to take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to do a newscast here. If we had

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<v Speaker 2>scripted this, we couldn't have timed it out better. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>So take a break, tape it, take a deep breath.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about your recovery and what you

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<v Speaker 2>do for other people, and if anyone would like to

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<v Speaker 2>join the conversation. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six one seven, nine three ten thirty. You've just

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<v Speaker 2>heard an amazing story. But I'm a pretty good judge

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<v Speaker 2>of credibility. That's what I've done for a living. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is the real This guy is the real deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh And I was impressed with him the other night.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm now overly impressed with him. Now. I've never been

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<v Speaker 2>where he was, but we all in our lives had

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<v Speaker 2>those moments. And that was a moment that this man

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<v Speaker 2>just described for us, pretty raw, but pretty real. Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Vibe Gunton recovered on purpose Behavioral Health Partners. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back right after the these the newscast. I feel the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing he feels right now. I'm telling you, right now,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something I hope some of you understand that this

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that is to me amazing, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>amazing and it's amazingly real and it can happen. Back

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<v Speaker 2>after this on Night.

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<v Speaker 3>Side, It's Night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's News Radio. It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back with my guest, Adam Vibe Gunton. He's recovered. He's

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<v Speaker 2>told his story of sliding into deep deep addiction, his

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<v Speaker 2>organizations that he's recovered, Recovered on Purpose, and Behavioral Health Partners. Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything else that we need to tell

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<v Speaker 2>in your story, but I think I want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to phone callers and let them comment and ask questions,

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<v Speaker 2>and then at the end, I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we give people contact information as to how they

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<v Speaker 2>can reach out to Recovered on Purpose or Behavioral Health Partners.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you physically located these days? Do you have

422
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<v Speaker 2>a a place that you call home at this point?

423
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And it's even heat too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good, Okay. I like that you know where where's

425
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<v Speaker 2>Where's where's your organization headquartered.

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<v Speaker 3>Or in Denver, Colorado? Recovered on Purpose? Both of them

427
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<v Speaker 3>are national, although.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, that's fine, yeah, okay, So you serve and

429
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<v Speaker 2>can help people anywhere they can be in contact. I

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<v Speaker 2>assume yes, and you have resources, we'll talk about those,

431
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<v Speaker 2>but I want to get to some callers, okay, So

432
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<v Speaker 2>let's do that first, and then we'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>resources that are available on how people can contact. They

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<v Speaker 2>go to Will in Long Island, New York. Will you

435
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<v Speaker 2>are next on Nice that with Adam Vibe going to

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<v Speaker 2>GARRETA and.

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<v Speaker 4>Will Hey, Dan, Hey, Adam. Listener's great to hear your story.

438
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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I never shy away really from talking

439
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<v Speaker 4>about my story. I mean I might have mentioned it

440
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<v Speaker 4>to Dan over the years, but you know that's not

441
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<v Speaker 4>me talk about on the radio really, but you know

442
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<v Speaker 4>you do maybe, but in July, I'll be sober seventeen

443
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<v Speaker 4>years right, and and for the people that are out

444
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<v Speaker 4>there that are listening, which is why I don't shy

445
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<v Speaker 4>I own a business in my community, I'm not afraid

446
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<v Speaker 4>to talk about I don't just advertise it. You know.

447
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<v Speaker 4>Obviously I wouldn't break anyone else's annybody, But as far

448
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<v Speaker 4>as my own, I'm not ashamed to talk about it

449
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<v Speaker 4>because you never know who needs to hear it. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not running around telling everybody I ever met, obviously, but

451
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<v Speaker 4>when it does come across. It needs to be mentioned.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I won't be afraid to say something.

453
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<v Speaker 2>Will was your drug of choice alcohol.

454
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<v Speaker 4>I am what they call a garbage head. I remember

455
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<v Speaker 4>when I called, when I called the when I called,

456
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<v Speaker 4>like I tried many times to get sober for many years.

457
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<v Speaker 4>I'm a very dan. I know you talk to me

458
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<v Speaker 4>now and I sound somewhat like a normal human being.

459
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<v Speaker 4>And I paid, well, let's not go that.

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<v Speaker 2>Far, Will, Let's come on. I know you too well.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I'm only kid. Go ahead, you're one of my best callers,

462
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<v Speaker 2>you know that. Go ahead.

463
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<v Speaker 3>But I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was a pretty low bottom person and i've and

465
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<v Speaker 4>I used a lot of heavy drugs also, right, So

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<v Speaker 4>I remember when I called the hotline the last time

467
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<v Speaker 4>when I got sober, and I said, you know, I said, uh,

468
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<v Speaker 4>you know, I I'm I'm smoking drugs and doing this.

469
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<v Speaker 4>And he goes, well, how much do you drink? I said,

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<v Speaker 4>who cares how much I drink? I just told you

471
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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing all these hard, you know drugs, you know

472
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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. And he goes, well, how much do

473
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<v Speaker 4>you drink? I goes much as the next guy. He goes, well,

474
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<v Speaker 4>how much is that? I go I don't know, like

475
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<v Speaker 4>a quarter or a leader of about the day. He goes,

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<v Speaker 4>you're an alcoholic, I said, Alcoholics push shopping carts full

477
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<v Speaker 4>of cans. Okay, I have a job and this, and

478
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<v Speaker 4>you know, if I show up and then I just

479
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<v Speaker 4>never really equated that the alcohol right and in my mind,

480
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<v Speaker 4>I'm Irish. I would have to turn in my Irish

481
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<v Speaker 4>card if I couldn't drink. And I said, just stop

482
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<v Speaker 4>me from doing the heavy drugs, you know, the dope,

483
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<v Speaker 4>the coke, the crack that. So just stop me with that.

484
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<v Speaker 4>Don't worry about how much I drink.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were sort of the You were what I

486
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<v Speaker 2>call a five tool attic, mean, you could do it all.

487
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<v Speaker 4>It's like, yeah, when you watch Fear and Loathing in

488
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<v Speaker 4>Las Vegas, I was like that guy, you know what

489
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Like I liked everything. But I'll say this,

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<v Speaker 4>he mentioned something really important in my mind, like the

491
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<v Speaker 4>spiritual aspect, the God thing. I never really got sober

492
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<v Speaker 4>till I realized that I needed to rely on God.

493
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<v Speaker 4>No matter how many times I tried, there was something

494
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<v Speaker 4>always missing. And I know a lot of people in recovery,

495
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<v Speaker 4>thousands over the years, and the ones that eventually, you know,

496
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<v Speaker 4>wind up becoming old timers, meaning don't drink and don't die.

497
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<v Speaker 4>They always have some spiritual foundation that's something greater than themselves,

498
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<v Speaker 4>their religion, their God, whatever it is. There's a purpose, right,

499
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<v Speaker 4>there's a reason. I remember when I prayed, I didn't

500
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<v Speaker 4>even I finally was so beaten that I didn't even pray,

501
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<v Speaker 4>Like I didn't want to pray for anything. I said.

502
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<v Speaker 4>I would just say every day the same friend, God,

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<v Speaker 4>just don't let me drink today. God just don't let

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<v Speaker 4>me drink today. They said, I just want one thing

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want. Don't worry about the business.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get in here. I want to get Adam

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<v Speaker 2>to react to well, pretty much everything you said. Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get your analysis here of someone who walked a

509
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<v Speaker 2>similar path.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sounds like him and I have the same

511
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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing. And I learned that it's not about

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<v Speaker 3>the substance. It's not about the alcohol or the drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about what happens to me and when I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have those things in my system. And the only solution

515
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<v Speaker 3>for someone like me is that spiritual solution. Because my

516
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<v Speaker 3>mental state, in my emotional state, when I'm not on

517
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<v Speaker 3>drugs and alcohol, is restless, is irritable. I'm feeling just

518
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<v Speaker 3>not okay. And what I didn't realize that whole time

519
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<v Speaker 3>is that drugs and alcohol were my solution, and then

520
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<v Speaker 3>when they stopped working, I had to find something that

521
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<v Speaker 3>worked a way to live, that solved my problems, and

522
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<v Speaker 3>that was a reliance upon God. But a reliance upon

523
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<v Speaker 3>God has a responsibility attached to it, and that's to

524
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<v Speaker 3>serve God's people. That's what I learned, and I've been

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<v Speaker 3>able to do say incredible things in my recovery, publish

526
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<v Speaker 3>a book and do ted talks and travel and all

527
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<v Speaker 3>this kind of stuff. I would give it all back

528
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<v Speaker 3>if it meant I couldn't help addicts.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I just want to go back to your

530
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<v Speaker 2>your your experience where everybody in McDonald's disappeared and you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the face of Jesus. You're convinced that was Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>You're convinced that this wasn't a hallucination, right, but no doubt.

533
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<v Speaker 3>And the reason the reason I know that is because

534
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<v Speaker 3>my entire life changed.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Well can you will? Can you You maybe never had

536
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<v Speaker 2>that experience, will, But as somebody who was in a

537
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<v Speaker 2>similarly situated. Can you identify with that experience?

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<v Speaker 4>I know for a fact that I can. My I

539
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<v Speaker 4>didn't have the face of Jesus, but I will never

540
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<v Speaker 4>forget the moment, almost like an exorcism happened right and

541
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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that that was the moment I was

542
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<v Speaker 4>going to get sober. I just knew that that was

543
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<v Speaker 4>the moment that I was broken enough. And it was

544
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<v Speaker 4>literally like God whispered into my ear. And I'll never

545
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<v Speaker 4>forget how my box. It was a spiritual awakening. And

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<v Speaker 4>trust me, the last time I got over, the one

547
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<v Speaker 4>that lasted the whole time in seventeen years. All the

548
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<v Speaker 4>other times before that, I never, I guess, really got over,

549
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<v Speaker 4>but all the time that I had put together between that,

550
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<v Speaker 4>there was something different about this one. Because I was

551
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<v Speaker 4>so sick for so long, I didn't get better right away.

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<v Speaker 4>There were other times in the past where I quit,

553
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<v Speaker 4>where the shakes and the detox and everything was so

554
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<v Speaker 4>much easier, and somehow yet I still picked up. This

555
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<v Speaker 4>was so awful, and the mental addiction was so strong.

556
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<v Speaker 4>For so long, I would gag, I would shake weeks

557
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<v Speaker 4>after I got so months, I would take a shower

558
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<v Speaker 4>like I was getting ready to go out to the

559
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<v Speaker 4>bar to go to a meeting, and I would start

560
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<v Speaker 4>calling like ooh and almost vomit because of the anxiety

561
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<v Speaker 4>of wanting to use And even though I was going

562
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<v Speaker 4>to the meetings and doing the program and calling my

563
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<v Speaker 4>sponsor and doing all these things, and it was literally

564
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<v Speaker 4>like God tied my hands behind my back and wouldn't

565
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<v Speaker 4>let me drink even if I wanted to. It was

566
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<v Speaker 4>because I finally had praised so much for one thing

567
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<v Speaker 4>and one thing only that it was like I was

568
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<v Speaker 4>spiritually bound and I'll just never forget the moment. And

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<v Speaker 4>it wound up looking back now in retrospect seventeen years

570
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<v Speaker 4>that that epiphany moment was. You know, today I look

571
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<v Speaker 4>at it like I'm part of the no matter what club,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, no matter how my life goes, no matter

573
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<v Speaker 4>what I don't drink, no matter what, and all right,

574
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<v Speaker 4>well within that, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Just that real thank you for your call. You reinforced

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<v Speaker 2>I think exactly what.

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<v Speaker 4>Was a great caller and a good show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Will. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Will. You're off, Thank you man.

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<v Speaker 2>You well, we'll talk soon. Will is one of my

581
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<v Speaker 2>best callers. We fight, we agree we disagreed.

582
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:53.000
<v Speaker 3>He's a fun caller.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to be back with Adam Vibe Gunton.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to move everybody a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more quickly. I want to get a bunch of calls

586
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<v Speaker 2>in here if you want to try, six one, seven,

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<v Speaker 2>two thirty, six, seven thirty. Coming right back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is Adam Vibe Clinton. He's recovering alcoholic and

591
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<v Speaker 2>drug user, heavy duty drug user. An amazing story his

592
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<v Speaker 2>the groups he's he's founded were covered on Purpose and

593
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<v Speaker 2>behavioral health Partners. We'll get all that information for you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to give the folks who have called

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<v Speaker 2>in real quickly an opportunity. Tom had found with Tom

596
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<v Speaker 2>down on the Cape. You're next on Nightside, Say had

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<v Speaker 2>to Adam Vibe Gunton. What's your question or comment? Tom?

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<v Speaker 5>He Adam, I want to congratulate you in your sobriety.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very hard for people to do it on their own.

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<v Speaker 5>I know you had some support, but I wanted to

601
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<v Speaker 5>call up Dan for to tell you about the program.

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<v Speaker 5>We're not sure if you'll ware in Massachusetts. It's one

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<v Speaker 5>of the only US and four are the only states

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<v Speaker 5>that provided is Section thirty five. And that's for the

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<v Speaker 5>family members out there listening that may have children, our

606
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<v Speaker 5>spouses or parents that have alcohol or drug problems that

607
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<v Speaker 5>they can go to the courts file a petition. It's

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<v Speaker 5>called a Section thirty five and the police. The judge

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<v Speaker 5>will have the police go out pick them up, get

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<v Speaker 5>them a drug test to make sure they have an issue,

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<v Speaker 5>and then they will section them forty five to ninety days.

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<v Speaker 5>They get them sober mental health and they have to

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<v Speaker 5>take two hundred hours of classes on sobriety.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tom, I appreciate that, I really do. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to send me some information and I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>more than happy to do something some night on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I I don't want to detract from what Adam

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<v Speaker 2>is talking about tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>I get it. I just thought that maybe some family

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<v Speaker 5>members are listening because I know there's nothing that can

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<v Speaker 5>This is great for the person that ads out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do be a favorite. Just hang on, hang on,

623
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<v Speaker 2>and Noel will give you my direct phone number and

624
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<v Speaker 2>also my email address, and you can just fold that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm unfamiliar with what you're talking about. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you're talking about exists, but it's it's

627
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<v Speaker 2>it's a little more complicated than that because you got

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<v Speaker 2>to get a court order and all of that. So

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<v Speaker 2>but but hang on and feel free. You reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to me during the during the day, any day, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see what I'll get back to that promise. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, all right, no, give him my contact info.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go next to No, you got to take

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<v Speaker 2>him down there and go okay, let's go to Jason

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<v Speaker 2>and Walfam. Jason, you were next on nice at with

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Vibe Goods and go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Then then thank you for having me and Adam. We

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<v Speaker 6>say in the AA, thank you for sharing and thank

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<v Speaker 6>you for hosting. Audition is very serious. I'm a I'm

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<v Speaker 6>a recovery addict too, but my drag was chosen was alcohol.

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<v Speaker 6>And then, like I was talking to the sheriffs, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>going to start working with enough folk Sheriff's department trying

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<v Speaker 6>to offer some help to those inmates.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that that is. I'm glad that that has

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<v Speaker 2>worked out for you. Jason was on the phone with

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<v Speaker 2>one of the sheriffs here in Massachusetts last week and

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<v Speaker 2>we put them in contact and Jason, I think had

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<v Speaker 2>spent a little time, a little bit of time and

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<v Speaker 2>stirre at some point you told me, correct, Jason.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, but I didn't know. I didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 6>ask for help. Yeah, it was just a culture thing.

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<v Speaker 6>So I've been going to AA so so. But at

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<v Speaker 6>last my last drunk in the AA, they said the

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<v Speaker 6>last something called the last drunk, the last episode you had.

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<v Speaker 6>Mine was when I went to Ohio to buy a

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<v Speaker 6>Chess Bank building. I didn't get in touch with the rics.

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<v Speaker 6>I ended up for a strip club. I drunk so

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<v Speaker 6>much I don't know how the road. I ended up

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<v Speaker 6>in a Chick fil a black that I went to

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<v Speaker 6>jail and I drove back to my sischusters the following

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<v Speaker 6>they that was my last drunk.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what.

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<v Speaker 6>That's when it clicked, like, you know what, I need

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<v Speaker 6>to get this stuff together because I got a family,

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<v Speaker 6>so like soberness is between life and death. So ever,

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<v Speaker 6>since I been in AA, there's a saying a forever

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<v Speaker 6>saying like whatever you put before your sobriety is going

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<v Speaker 6>to fall apart. And I'm pretty sure, Adam, until you

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<v Speaker 6>started pulling your sobriety.

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<v Speaker 3>First, you didn't find.

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<v Speaker 6>The sex siss the sex sss that you have right now, right,

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<v Speaker 6>and also another saying that saying, Hey, when I was

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<v Speaker 6>when I was drinking, I wasn't a growing up. I

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<v Speaker 6>was just I just I just got taller.

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<v Speaker 3>I was still a kid. I was I was still

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<v Speaker 3>a boy.

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<v Speaker 6>I just got I just got taller. And you know

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<v Speaker 6>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>So I didn't. I was still a kid until I

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<v Speaker 3>got so bad.

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<v Speaker 6>That's when I became a man because everything else was

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<v Speaker 6>about drinking. So I don't want to take out too

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<v Speaker 6>much time, but I just wanted to share that and Adam,

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<v Speaker 6>thank you for sharing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Jason as well. Appreciate it and keep me

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<v Speaker 2>posted on your work with the so Okay, I'm delighted

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<v Speaker 2>to have been able to get you in touch with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Yeah, And if I can touch on that

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<v Speaker 3>day Jason said, is so true. You know, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a a program that I work and constantly in contact

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<v Speaker 3>with God. And the interesting thing is that now whenever

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<v Speaker 3>I'm having quote unquote a bad mental health day, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I actually have have a solution for that because my program,

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<v Speaker 3>my relationship with God comes first, and if it didn't,

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<v Speaker 3>then during the hard times I wouldn't know what to

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<v Speaker 3>do and I wouldn't be able to make it to

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<v Speaker 3>the good times. So one hundred percent what Jason said

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<v Speaker 3>is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, let me get one more call in before we

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<v Speaker 2>got to end our hour, which has been a great hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan from Quincy. Nathan, you are next on nice Ie

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<v Speaker 2>with Adam Vibe going to Grit ahead. Nathan.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, So.

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<v Speaker 7>This kind of hits home for me. My mom at

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<v Speaker 7>you dealt with love, alcohol and like weed addictions over

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<v Speaker 7>the years, like I've found her like passed out twice

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<v Speaker 7>and unfortunately didn't end well because on March twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 7>she committed suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>She was dealing with mental.

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<v Speaker 7>Health issues and everything and self medicating with both weed

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<v Speaker 7>and alcohol and went off all medications. So like I

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<v Speaker 7>as I've gone through like first hand with somebody that's

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<v Speaker 7>dealt with these issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry for what you went through, Nathan, And uh, there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing that anyone can say to to you know to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with that pain. Any suggestions. We only have got

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<v Speaker 2>a benny left for Nathan that you could give him. Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anything that your groups could could help him with?

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<v Speaker 2>If you wanted to get in touch with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, he's welcome to reach out. Adam at

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<v Speaker 3>Recovered on Purpose dot org. And man, I lost my

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<v Speaker 3>dad on Christmas Day of twenty twenty two, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when I'm thinking about him, I make sure

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<v Speaker 3>to think about it in a positive light. Remember the

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<v Speaker 3>good time and you know, remember the good times with her.

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<v Speaker 3>She loved you very much, and this disease doesn't take

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<v Speaker 3>away our heart further. People that we love.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan, I hope that hopes. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>calling and I wish I'd gotten to you earlier, could

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<v Speaker 2>have given you more time. Thank you call anytime. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks Nathan again. The way, folks, you can, you can

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<v Speaker 2>check out Recovered on purpose dot org. You can go

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<v Speaker 2>there directly if you want to email Adam Adam at

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<v Speaker 2>Recovered on purpose dot org. Adam, your presentations and I

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<v Speaker 2>exceeded my expectations. I had pretty high expectations. But we will.

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<v Speaker 2>We will play this hour again on Best of Night's side.

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<v Speaker 2>My intention would be to play at this Sunday night

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven o'clock on WBZ as well, so people who

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<v Speaker 2>missed it tonight I will have a chance to hear

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<v Speaker 2>it then. Thank you so much. I'd love to keep

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with you man, because other people you can

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<v Speaker 2>help and have you back periodically. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for what you went through. Would you have overcome? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you say about email? I'm sorry you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, saying you have my email? Also, would love

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<v Speaker 3>to hear from you too. I think this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is awesome. You have callers that love you, community that

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<v Speaker 3>you know is out to help people. Also, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's awesome that the people that called in were calling

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<v Speaker 3>into help, not not necessarily just for help, because there's

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<v Speaker 3>people listening right now that can't reach out yet, and

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<v Speaker 3>your callers wanted to call in and reach them too.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, just great, Adam Vibe Gunton, Thank you so much. Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>The group is recovered on purpose dot org. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. We'll talk again. Thank you, Adam.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, thank you