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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Hunt Cast with me

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<v Speaker 1>Koby Moorehead. We're gonna nerd out on bears hunting and

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<v Speaker 1>the outdoors. We'll tell stories, talk biology, tactics, gear, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fight to protect the pursuits that we hold dear.

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<v Speaker 1>So grab your binos, lace up your boots, load up

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<v Speaker 1>your barrels, and gather the hounds we venture on this

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<v Speaker 1>journey together. Welcome to another episode of the Bear Hunting

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<v Speaker 1>Magazine Hunt Cast Man. We've been getting some news this week.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, Proposition one twenty seven, the ballot box initiative

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<v Speaker 1>up in Colorado has been squashed, so good job hunters.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the presidential election went down this week and

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<v Speaker 1>we have a new president, so we can just look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to the future and see what all plays out

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<v Speaker 1>from there. Today I'm joined by Doug Bows. Doug riots

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<v Speaker 1>a column in every issue of Bear Hunting Magazine, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a wealth of information. Now his stomping grounds are

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<v Speaker 1>up in Washington State, so it doesn't translate to everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of things that are universal inside

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<v Speaker 1>of bear hunting. And today we're talking about what you

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<v Speaker 1>bring and what you'll find is half of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the things you bring that are not

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<v Speaker 1>gear related, and it is universal to all of the

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<v Speaker 1>pursuits of bear. And then we'll dive into a little

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<v Speaker 1>gear and it's going to be leaning a little more

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<v Speaker 1>towards what Doug does, but I bring up things concerning

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<v Speaker 1>what you would do a little bit more in the south. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't a deep gear dive. We'll do that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>at a later point, but this is just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a general thing. And ultimately the goal of this

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<v Speaker 1>particular episode is just to encourage you to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what you like, what works for you, and to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that the most important thing you bring with you is

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<v Speaker 1>inside of you. This is meant to make it to

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<v Speaker 1>where it's a little bit easier for you to get

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<v Speaker 1>in the outdoors, especially if you're starting out. Share with

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<v Speaker 1>the buddy that's interested, and let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Doug, Hey Golby, how are you, sir? Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm doing good. We're in the thick of waitetail

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<v Speaker 1>season here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I'm jealous. Our dear season ended well a week

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<v Speaker 2>or two ago, and so now the special draw people

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<v Speaker 2>will get to go out and hunt a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but my dear, season's pretty much done with.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're actually you're in Washington state, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't hate me. I'm in Washington. I'm sixty miles

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<v Speaker 2>north of Seattle. So when people ask me where I live,

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<v Speaker 2>I say the Seattle area, But in reality, I live

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<v Speaker 2>in a little town that's got a bar and a

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<v Speaker 2>post office, and so I'm pretty backwoods when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I've fallen in love with the Pacific Northwest,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been there two or three times in the

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<v Speaker 1>last year and a half, and I just I love

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<v Speaker 1>it out there, and it's so vast, it's so rule

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<v Speaker 1>and if you just thought of it from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what you see on the news or whatever, you would

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<v Speaker 1>think it was just like cities everywhere. But it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really the case. It's a beautiful and sometimes treacherous place.

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<v Speaker 2>It can't be. I think the North Cascades National Park

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<v Speaker 2>is leads the country for people who go missing or

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<v Speaker 2>people who have died in it, So it's a dangerous park.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how many sasquatch sidings?

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<v Speaker 2>I get one every time I look in the mirror, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it, but no like out in the West,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of draws. There's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>you have to put in for years and build up points.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are pure lottery systems to where it's

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<v Speaker 1>just luck of the draw every time, where everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>equal opportunity at drawing something. And the one exception to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those draws are actually bears. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these Western states to where you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a bear tag over the counter, And that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons bears are just so special because they can

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<v Speaker 1>get you into places where you might have to wait

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<v Speaker 1>a really long time to get into a particular unit

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<v Speaker 1>or area to hunt anything else. I really love that

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<v Speaker 1>about bears, that there's just so much I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>can just go hunt most anywhere with the bear tag.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I love about bear too. Like in Washington

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<v Speaker 2>currently it's August first till November fifteenth, that's our bear season.

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<v Speaker 2>And so even though like deer and elk is over

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I still got till I got another what

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<v Speaker 2>ten days of bear season, and I'm gonna go out

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<v Speaker 2>and in the next couple of days and give it

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<v Speaker 2>a shot. But yeah, I mean, it's a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>You can you can start early, and you almost finish

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<v Speaker 2>out the year with it. So it's it's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun. It's it's different, it's different experience, and it

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<v Speaker 2>keeps you out in the woods longer.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the thing we're gonna mainly deal with today

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<v Speaker 1>is we're gonna be talking about things that we need.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a part where I feel like people really

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<v Speaker 1>start to get snagged up and start to feel overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 1>And so before we dive into other episodes where we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about tactics of actually hunting a bear, finding a bear,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just different tips and tactics, we're gonna start

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<v Speaker 1>out with the actual gear because that's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the pre work that you have to put in. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just good to be prepared and not to feel overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 1>before you even get started, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and here you I want. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say is like, before you get into

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<v Speaker 1>actually like physical things, I call them real number ones

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<v Speaker 1>on a kind of a list that I wrote down,

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<v Speaker 1>one was having like really good friends or a mentor

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<v Speaker 1>to go out there and bear hunter get into hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the greatest thing you can have, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is universal for all things is just a

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<v Speaker 1>good attitude and just good positive mental attitude whenever you're

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<v Speaker 1>going out there or even thinking about going out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's a boy, you get whooped with a frustration

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<v Speaker 1>stick real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of non tangible needs in hunting

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<v Speaker 2>in general, like abilities that you need, so perseverance, patience, determination,

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<v Speaker 2>a strong mental ability, strong physical ability. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>we could go on that's that's a whole episode in itself, really,

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<v Speaker 2>but I agree with you, like you gotta have you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta have patience and if you don't have a good

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<v Speaker 2>mentor kicking back to what you said earlier, that's half

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that wrote my book The Ultimate Guide to

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<v Speaker 2>Black Bear Hunting is so if you're an adult on

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<v Speaker 2>set hunter or somebody who's never hunted bear and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, you can check that out and that will

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<v Speaker 2>give you an edge, that will that will calm down

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<v Speaker 2>that learning curve that kicks a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 2>the butt for several years. Yeah, if you burn through

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<v Speaker 2>that book.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and one thing that I find whenever I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>to people that are just getting into hunting, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not about the tips or the tactics, Like it's not

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<v Speaker 1>about how to find this or find that or when

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<v Speaker 1>to go. I think the most beneficial thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>tell them is just like don't get frustrated, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>got to celebrate the fact that you saw something or

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<v Speaker 1>that you found sign or that you you know, say

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<v Speaker 1>they make a bad shot where they just totally miss

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<v Speaker 1>the animal they're shooting at. It's like, how was it

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<v Speaker 1>you got on one? Like you had the opportunity, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you missed, but how was it? You know, Yeah, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you're the mentor of the mentee. I think that's something

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<v Speaker 1>to really remember, is like you have to you really

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<v Speaker 1>have to celebrate the wins, Like find every win to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate because that gives you the momentum. And it also

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<v Speaker 1>like builds a really strong, you know, mental game, And

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have a strong mental game, then it's

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<v Speaker 1>just not gonna make it, you know, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Degree and then you know that's something in life, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you need to have a strong mental game

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<v Speaker 2>to be successful. And then once you're successful, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to have that strong mental game to get that animal out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you if you give up in life

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<v Speaker 2>or give up on things when things get hard, that

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<v Speaker 2>ain't gonna help you. I mean, cause it can be

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<v Speaker 2>a ground and getting these things out, dear Elk, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it may be, and you just gotta you gotta toughen

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<v Speaker 2>it out. Yeah, and along what you said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to remind myself sometimes to just enjoy the moment. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes something's coming in or something you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>it on camera or whatever or on you know, on

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<v Speaker 2>your phone, and and I'll stop myself and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>just enjoy this, Like you don't have to capture everything

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<v Speaker 2>and post everything and compete with other people. Just take

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<v Speaker 2>the time to enjoy the moment that has been given

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<v Speaker 2>to you. I think that's really important that people stop

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<v Speaker 2>and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this year, I haven't really been trying to film

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<v Speaker 1>or record much. I've just really am working on becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a better woodsman or just seeing what I can learn

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<v Speaker 1>and getting rid of some of the distractions. Because one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest things that goes against us is comparing

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves or letting ourselves be shaped by what we see

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<v Speaker 1>portrayed to us on you know, whatever outlet, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>be social media or you know, some sort of show

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<v Speaker 1>we're watching. There's you can't put everything in something that

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<v Speaker 1>you do post work on. So there's no sense in

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<v Speaker 1>comparing yourself to say that, oh, this is my first

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<v Speaker 1>time out, but I need to go for a mature animal.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you got to get some reps in at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, you know. And I'm not saying go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and go after a cub or something, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to go out there and just experience it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you need to experience success. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that whenever you I mean, we don't expect kids to

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<v Speaker 1>be really selective whenever they're going out, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>when you carry a kid out deer hunt, you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>It, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think we need to do the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with people that are get trying to get into

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<v Speaker 1>these things as adults, where it's like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a enough pressures trying to do something the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Just find a win, celebrate a win, and don't worry about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what other people are going to say or think.

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<v Speaker 1>And ultimately, like your first animal, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a big animal because that's a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>all the way through. Like last year in Arkansas, I

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<v Speaker 1>killed a bear that we think was around five hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the end of that night, when I got

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<v Speaker 1>home in the single digits of the morning, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I doing with my life? Like I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I was beat up and whooped, you know. And anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>don't bite off more than you can get you and

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<v Speaker 1>don't take on something that's like two way outside of

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<v Speaker 1>your reach or your experience. But anyways, we better jump

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>What was kind of the first thing you wrote down

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I wrote down ten things, but the first

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<v Speaker 2>and foremost thing was like a quality weapon with quality

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<v Speaker 2>ammo or you know, broadheads, aeroshafts, that type of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and the skill to use it. So I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that goes for all hunting, right, but don't

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<v Speaker 2>put in a crap bullet that's that's cheap and will

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<v Speaker 2>shatter upon hitting the animal like I have done that before.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh this, you know, this box is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do that. And then it shoots and it

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<v Speaker 2>the safety on the gun, I don't think about anything.

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<v Speaker 2>the safety off, I find a spot. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing with the bow. So quality, quality weapons and skill.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's funny I put that further down the list.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, you know, we don't shoot far here

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<v Speaker 1>you you might have one hundred yards that you might

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably gonna look like just a shadow, and so

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<v Speaker 1>And so actually the first buck I ever killed, I

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<v Speaker 1>number four buckshot had he had pellets, he up in

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<v Speaker 1>his neck, broke his back leg like it was just

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<v Speaker 2>The first buck I ever killed was with a shotgun too,

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<v Speaker 2>a buck shot, and it was it was a spike.

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<v Speaker 2>So like most of my shots are probably fifty yards

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<v Speaker 2>or less on bear, and sometimes a lot closer. I really,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I could shoot farther obviously, but I even

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<v Speaker 2>in eastern Washington, where it's more arid, more open, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't. I like to get close. Even last year

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<v Speaker 2>like six hundred yards and I crept up to within

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<v Speaker 2>because I like to get close. And so, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are very similar in that respect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've gotten where I'll stretch it out more and

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<v Speaker 1>there's guys that's like nothing to him to take a

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred yard shot, you know, but that's what they

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<v Speaker 1>like to do. Yeah, and so you got to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out your method. But for me, you know, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>take a lot to specifically with a firearm to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to be proficient with it, especially at like one

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<v Speaker 1>I will say about gear when you're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>rifle and scope and ammo, I think the AMMO is

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<v Speaker 1>of an optic, like you want to low powered scope

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<v Speaker 1>like you want like a two to ten you know,

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<v Speaker 1>would be a good choice. And then but in the South,

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<v Speaker 1>your best opportunity is going to be more with archery.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you're not proficient with with a bow,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times you can use a crossbow and

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<v Speaker 1>that that really cuts the learning curve down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of things can go wrong if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not willing to put in a lot of time shooting

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<v Speaker 1>targets with a compound. So if you if you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you're somebody that's not diligent and feel like you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna get out there and put your reps in. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I would say crossbow would be the way

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<v Speaker 1>to go. My number one was mapping software. I use

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<v Speaker 1>Onyx on every single thing that I do.

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<v Speaker 2>That was ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. So the reason I put that is I can

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<v Speaker 1>go into an area I'm unfamiliar with and navigate it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to get turned around. And I'm thinking about this

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<v Speaker 1>from terms of somebody just getting into into hunting that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the wismanship, doesn't have like anything any history

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<v Speaker 1>to lean on, probably what a boy scout but wants

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<v Speaker 1>to get out there and do it, And especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you're in areas where there's a lot of public and

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<v Speaker 1>private merging, like we don't always have huge tracks in

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<v Speaker 1>the South for you know, public land, so you could

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<v Speaker 1>easily get on somebody else's property and sometimes it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a checkerboard. And so for me, like a mapping

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<v Speaker 1>software is really important.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally agree on X has has helped me, you know, enormously,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's gotten our hunt cap hunt camp. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple of deer like you go by and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that that piece of property is owned by the

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<v Speaker 2>state or something and it is no one's hunting it.

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<v Speaker 2>We go in there and ended up getting a deer

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<v Speaker 2>and quick story on that. I actually went to our

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<v Speaker 2>jeweler in town the other day and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago he was telling me a story. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the mountains Washington. He got turned around and he got lost.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was for like a day. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was overnight. He got way turned around,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was in it was in August. It was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, cooler or decent weather. Long story short, he

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<v Speaker 2>got turned around, found his way out, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>all tore up, beat up. He was an older guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I told him about on X and this this

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<v Speaker 2>last week when I went in there, and he said

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<v Speaker 2>he had bought that and been using it and he's

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, man, this thing's a godsend. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish it would have had it before. And how you

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<v Speaker 2>can save maps so when you're not online. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great tool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Another thing that just a little quick tip on

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<v Speaker 1>you're blood trailing or whatever, like, immediately start a new

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<v Speaker 1>you've gritted, and you're not like, you know, going over

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<v Speaker 1>the same area over and over and over again. So

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<v Speaker 1>it works well, I'm told with when guys are going

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<v Speaker 1>and looking for sheds as well to grid out an area.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, my number two. I really put a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of thought into my boots. Specifically in a western hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter as much to me here in the South.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a lot of I mean, when you leave

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<v Speaker 1>the road, I mean, if you just walk a couple miles,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll probably come to another another road. Like, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not as big of a deal. A lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>I'm torn between where my mountain boots and and my

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<v Speaker 1>knee boots here where I'm at. But having the right

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<v Speaker 1>boot for whatever you're doing, Like, you got to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of your feet, and I think that that's a

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<v Speaker 1>really important thing whenever I'm thinking about where I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to have you got to have healthy feet. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't realize how much you use your feet or

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<v Speaker 2>your back until you hurt it, and then you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I use this all the freaking time, and it hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>Baldy Boots is definitely up there. My number two was

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<v Speaker 2>was a good knife or knife set and a sharpener

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<v Speaker 2>with and so my knife set, I have kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a heavier bladed knife. I have like a skinny knife,

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually have a filet knife, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>a little sharpener that I bring. And specifically with Bear,

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<v Speaker 2>I have noticed that their hide, for whatever reason, seems

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<v Speaker 2>to dull knives way faster than elk or deer. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why it is. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>just more coarse or the fat or what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's important to have a sharpener, to take the

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<v Speaker 2>time to take a rest, grab a drink of water,

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<v Speaker 2>sharpen those blades, and then continue on. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean we've done a lot with just

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<v Speaker 1>simple have lines and so whenever you're thinking about your gear,

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<v Speaker 1>I had. I've got some friends in their role of

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<v Speaker 1>thumb is whenever I buy a new tool that I've

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<v Speaker 1>never used before, I'll go to Harbor Freight and just

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<v Speaker 1>buy cheap one, and if I use that enough to

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<v Speaker 1>wear it out, then I'll go get a different one,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Like I'll give a nice name Brandwin And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's a good idea whenever you're coming

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<v Speaker 1>into hunting, too, is like on X is kind of universal,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, just get it, but maybe not get

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<v Speaker 1>the package for all the states. Just focus on the

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<v Speaker 1>state that you're going to be hunting and get that

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<v Speaker 1>package with boots. Get a pair of boots that fits you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>fit your feet good. You know, it gives you good

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<v Speaker 1>ankle support on the left and right roles. And but

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to go and buy the five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars mountain boot. You know, you could go and find

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<v Speaker 1>a decent hiking boot like I've I've hunted in like

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of hiking boots some Solomon's I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>in in Washington and the Cascades, and they worked. They

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<v Speaker 1>weren't as good as my my kinetrec said it I have,

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<v Speaker 1>but they worked just fine. So you can always take breaks,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, you don't want to always break the bank,

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<v Speaker 1>like go out there, use the stuff that you can afford,

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<v Speaker 1>and just get out there and then start building up

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<v Speaker 1>your pack from there. So start cheap and work your

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually I kind of encourage that. Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>our grandparents they were out there with blue jeans and

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<v Speaker 2>flannel shirts, and they probably didn't stay out there as

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<v Speaker 2>long as we do. Necessarily they didn't have as nice

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<v Speaker 2>a gear. But there's been a lot of deer killed

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<v Speaker 2>in blue jeans and bear too, right, So yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>get what you can afford and get quality stuff as

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<v Speaker 2>best you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, especially bears. Bears don't care as much.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I kind of like I've gotten nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>When I do get new gear, new technical gear, I

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<v Speaker 1>typically buy the solid colors, Like I don't go as

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like some of these things are becoming so

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<v Speaker 1>on something that I'm only going to get one use

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<v Speaker 1>out of. And so it's like I'm going to use

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<v Speaker 1>wear them to church.

421
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<v Speaker 2>You know, or wherever.

422
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<v Speaker 1>You know, they definitely cost more than dress slacks some

423
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<v Speaker 1>of them. But I mean we can go ahead and

424
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<v Speaker 1>talk about clothes. I mean I grew up hunting in

425
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<v Speaker 1>just a pair of coveralls, and I would wear blue jeans,

426
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.319
<v Speaker 1>a T shirt sometimes pajamas underneath, and I you know,

427
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I just put on a pair of coveralls and that

428
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.920
<v Speaker 1>was good for you know, up to pretty cold temperature

429
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.319
<v Speaker 1>and temperatures. And back then there were you know, one

430
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<v Speaker 1>hundred and something dollars. They're probably not too much more now.

431
00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I kind of look like a collage

432
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>of various gear when I go out there. So you know,

433
00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll have like first light gators on and some you know,

434
00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:05.240
<v Speaker 2>some one hundred and fifty dollars boots, and then I

435
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>might have you know, like a wool long sleeve shirt on,

436
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.119
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, I'm just all hopoged together. I'm

437
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Speaker 2>not like the Sitka model or the you know, Couu

438
00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.279
<v Speaker 2>model or any of that stuff, but I have that stuff

439
00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>sparkled throughout my sprinkled throughout my outfit.

440
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:27.279
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, no, whenever I first started buying my

441
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.880
<v Speaker 1>own stuff, and you know, I shopped, they used to

442
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>have the bargain cave at Cabella's I got a bunch

443
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.680
<v Speaker 1>of stuff from there, and then camofire dot com. I've

444
00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of stuff from there, and you know,

445
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:43.759
<v Speaker 1>just mix and match. It doesn't matter like you don't.

446
00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>You just need to be able to make it out there,

447
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:50.559
<v Speaker 1>you know. And the biggest thing in the South is

448
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>be still, you know, don't move a lot. And uh

449
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 1>so it's it's a lot more skill. I mean there's

450
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>guys that are really like good whitetail hunters, like what's

451
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:07.039
<v Speaker 1>his name, Cody to Cristio that he just goes out

452
00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:11.079
<v Speaker 1>there in flannels and pants and you know, gets big

453
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:16.200
<v Speaker 1>old heer, you know. And it's one of those things

454
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<v Speaker 1>to where there's diminished gains whenever you get past a

455
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<v Speaker 1>certain threshold. And I talked to the guys up at

456
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Vortex here a few months back, and there's a big

457
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>jump from like a you know, crossfire to a viper

458
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>level inside of their line of scopes. But whenever you

459
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.319
<v Speaker 1>go from a viper to a razor, the margin of

460
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>gain is a lot less like dollar for gain, you know.

461
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>And so you don't always have to go and get

462
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the most expensive You just get something that works and

463
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the thing that you're gonna gain and I think we're

464
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 1>just gonna get off the list and just talk about

465
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>different things now, but just for the sake of time,

466
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 1>because we're we're kind of there. But in terms of glass,

467
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 1>as far as binos and stuff, we don't use a

468
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of buyos down here because you know, they just

469
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 1>they're nice to have, but you don't have to have them.

470
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.599
<v Speaker 1>We've used rifle scopes, I use my I use my

471
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.799
<v Speaker 1>range finder all the time just to give me a

472
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 1>little bit of extra clarity to what I'm looking at.

473
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.599
<v Speaker 1>And so here in the South you don't have to

474
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>worry as much about wait and stuff, but out west,

475
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, And the more that we talk about this,

476
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.400
<v Speaker 1>the more it's like, man, we're gonna have to do

477
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:39.920
<v Speaker 1>specific talks at some point of what it looks like

478
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 1>hunting in the South versus the West, because you know,

479
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>it can be really simple in those areas for people

480
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that grew up there and lived there and know their areas.

481
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>The main thing about this podcast is I just want

482
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 1>people not to feel like they have to go and

483
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>buy the most expensive thing, you know.

484
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 2>No, I tell a lot of people that to like,

485
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 2>just go out with what you have right, gather what

486
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>you can get equality stuff when you can and just

487
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>go out there and have fun and a lot of

488
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>just especially when you're a beginner, a lot of it

489
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.759
<v Speaker 2>is just getting boots on the ground, getting to know

490
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 2>your hunting areas, getting to know sign of bear and scat,

491
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 2>and you know mark or trees and the trails that

492
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.319
<v Speaker 2>they use and stuff like that, so that can pay

493
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.759
<v Speaker 2>dividends down the road. You get a good knowledge of

494
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:36.079
<v Speaker 2>a hunting area, and your odds of success increase with

495
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>your knowledge, and so that that'll pay out regardless of

496
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:40.039
<v Speaker 2>the gear that you have.

497
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>So for me, one of the things that has changed

498
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>the game when I'm out west specifically, or when I'm

499
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>baiting bears and I'm packing bait in down here in

500
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>the South, just anytime I'm carrying load or going up

501
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and down some steeper terrain, trekking polls have been a

502
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>game changer for me. I I didn't grow up in

503
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the mountains. I grew up as a flat lander. You know,

504
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>there were some hills there here and there, and I

505
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 1>grew up in East Texas. Whenever I went up on

506
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:15.799
<v Speaker 1>my first hunt in Montana, I was so like I

507
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have made it without trekking poles. Uh and uh,

508
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I was listening to Randy Newberg back then.

509
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>That was back when he started using them.

510
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 2>They help, Like my dad has two faake knees and

511
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 2>he's seventy eight and you know Marine Corvette Vietnam VET

512
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>and the Trekking poles he uses. You know, they helped

513
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:38.839
<v Speaker 2>him quite a bit. And he you know, he still

514
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>gets after it, you know. Game sack. That was my

515
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 2>number four. I skipped number three. Number three was quality.

516
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Pack pack for me too. I was up there.

517
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 2>But I use those Caribou game bags and I had

518
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 2>found those to be very beneficial. You know, like the

519
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>flies they can't they can't lay in them like uh,

520
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, put blow on their their a. You can

521
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 2>wash them, you know. Uh, they have the nice dross

522
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 2>ring on there. They're sturdy. So I I have used

523
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Caribou game bags for years. I'm not sponsored by them,

524
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 2>but I do recommend them, and i've you know, I

525
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>just wash them and bleach and and and keep you

526
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 2>reusing them.

527
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got some Moregali ones I like,

528
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I've used some qu ones and but even

529
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>those basic ones from from Kabela's like I've used them,

530
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and they do. They do fine too. They're they seem

531
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to have a little bit more access, like the gaps

532
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 1>are wider in the in the weave, gotcha. Yeah. And

533
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.799
<v Speaker 1>one of the things like trekking polls, I like the

534
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Argalli's uh because they have a thing you can screw

535
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>in the top of one of them that h makes

536
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>it a rifle rest, uh too, And so that could

537
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 1>be beneficial for because whenever I'm thinking about shooting some

538
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of firearm, one of the most important things to

539
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>me over everything else is just being stable whenever I shoot,

540
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I could use the cheapest rifle and

541
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the cheapest scope, and a lot of times if I'm

542
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.839
<v Speaker 1>just if I can get stable and steady and somebody

543
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 1>else can't, I'm probably gonna shoot better, you know.

544
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so, but a steady rest is definitely worth

545
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>the effort to get that in your setup, whether it's

546
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 2>a tree limb or you know, your pack or something.

547
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>If you can steady yourself, that's definitely beneficial. Yeah.

548
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 1>And I know you get a call somewhere on your list.

549
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, call is number five, so that you know that's

550
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 2>one of the that's one of the things that kind

551
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.599
<v Speaker 2>of varies from my deer season. Although I bring a

552
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:54.359
<v Speaker 2>call with me when I go deer hunting, but I

553
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 2>definitely don't. I don't leave the door bear hunting without

554
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>a predator call around my neck or or and or

555
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>in my pack. So I usually have one or two

556
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>with me, but I usually always have one around my

557
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>neck in case I see a bear, you know, maybe

558
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:12.839
<v Speaker 2>in the brush or darting it out of a clear

559
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>cut into the tree line or something. I will use

560
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>that to try to coax that animal out to get

561
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.799
<v Speaker 2>a shot. And a lot of people, especially new predator

562
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>callers or people who read my book or whatever, they're

563
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, oh, I don't I don't sound right. I

564
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 2>sound horrible, you know, I don't sound like an alk

565
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.839
<v Speaker 2>or this or that. And I'm like, hey, man or lady,

566
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to sound perfect, right. Your whole goal

567
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 2>is to just sound raspy, annoying, wounded, scared to kick

568
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that predator response. And so that adds that adds an

569
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>advantage to those who don't carry it necessarily.

570
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well, also, whenever you're walking through the woods

571
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and you make a loud sound or something, if you

572
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>have a call, that sounds like an animal. Well, if

573
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 1>you make that sound, they're not going to be thinking,

574
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.839
<v Speaker 1>oh person, They'll be like, oh whatever.

575
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, elk hunters will be able to relate to

576
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that because you know, I hunt up too. And if

577
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.559
<v Speaker 2>you're in a herd and you're making noise and you

578
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>do a couple of cow calls or something, they and

579
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>the wind is right, they don't care at all. Like

580
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 2>you can be noisy in an elk herd. In fact,

581
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I think they almost prefer it because if you're sneaking

582
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>around and then you kind of call there, eh, they're

583
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of iffy. But I've walked in herds with the

584
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 2>right wind plenty noisy, and they just they think you're

585
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 2>an elk unless they see you, obviously, But if it's

586
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>super thick brush or something, you can get away with

587
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot as long as they think you're something.

588
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think this is a good start. I mean,

589
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I wish we could dive deeper into them, and I

590
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>think we're going to have to, but I think it's

591
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a good start to just you know, a list a

592
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>few things that people need. I mean, here's the thing,

593
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>like I whenever I came on that hunt in Washington,

594
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>there was some locals that came out and T shirts

595
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:04.759
<v Speaker 1>and just blue jeans in a Nissan Frontier. That bed

596
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>was only held on by a ratchet strap. All three

597
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>of them piled out in tennis shoes, and they went

598
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>further than we went when we hacked back with our

599
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>with all of our gear. You know, they were just

600
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean they went back miles just like one rifle.

601
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Three guys I don't even remember if they had backpacks

602
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>on and tennis shoes, and so you just got to

603
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>get out there.

604
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, gotta get after it.

605
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean here's the thing. You go out

606
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>there and do the best you can with what you have,

607
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and then you upgrade after that. And in the grand

608
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>scheme of things, if you talk to a lot of people,

609
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the first scene to upgrade would be like boots and glass,

610
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>particularly in the West, like having really good glass to

611
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.279
<v Speaker 1>be able to see out further, maybe out of tripods

612
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 1>so you're stable whenever your glass and just just you know,

613
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. But those are things that you if

614
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 1>you went and got the best from the get go,

615
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you have ten grand fast just out the door. You know.

616
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Glass is a good thing to spend money on, right

617
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 2>because you don't want, especially in the in the West

618
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>where it rains, foggy, whatever, we have a lot of moisture,

619
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and so if you go out to go deer hunting

620
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and your scopes flogged up, right, you can't shoot your scope,

621
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>you can't shoot your rifle. So that's that's no good.

622
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 2>So you know, like loo loophold, they have, you know,

623
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 2>the gold Ring standard, so if something happens, they have

624
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:41.840
<v Speaker 2>that lifetime warranty. I have loopholed scopes on all my

625
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>guns that have scopes on them. Anyway, and as far

626
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.159
<v Speaker 2>as bear hunting goes, like, I rarely ever bring a

627
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.320
<v Speaker 2>spotter scope with me if I'm if I'm bear hunting,

628
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<v Speaker 2>I'll do that maybe in eastern Washington as a as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I'm gonna go l hunting, I'll bring

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<v Speaker 2>that for for bear for fun. But bino's I in

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<v Speaker 2>the West, I always have binos with me because similar

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<v Speaker 2>to you, it's a lot of it's very close, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it might be a couple hundred yards that

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking, but a lot of a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>areas I hunt are Northwest jungles, like they're thick, so

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really need a spotter scope, but quality glass,

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<v Speaker 2>quality binos, that's important.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a there's a lot of places in southern

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon where you need to glass further because of the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the topography is, you really can't glass close,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're going to be glassing cross canyon. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I was there last, I really wish that I

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<v Speaker 1>had had a little bit more power behind my binos.

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<v Speaker 1>So I usually run a ten by forty two. I

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<v Speaker 1>was wishing I had at least some twelves if not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know a little more, And it all depends on

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<v Speaker 1>the area that you're in. But you can get by

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<v Speaker 1>with ten by forty two is just about anywhere. It

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, might be limiting at times to not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to see a little further out, but a

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<v Speaker 1>good tripod will stretch that. So like a tripod or

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<v Speaker 1>something steady that you can look through takes all that

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<v Speaker 1>extra movement that gets taken out is a game changer

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you're going. I didn't own buy those before I

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<v Speaker 1>started hunting the West, Like we just never used them

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, And so these are things that I've had

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<v Speaker 1>to learn as I've you know, started getting further and

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<v Speaker 1>further out inside of the things that I do, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't think that you need everything. But because

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<v Speaker 1>like whenever I take my spoder, I just I hardly

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<v Speaker 1>use it. I like to have it, especially now that

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<v Speaker 1>they've gotten lighter. I've got one of those really light

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<v Speaker 1>razors that Vortex makes, and it's all awesome, and but

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<v Speaker 1>I end up I end up on those hunts looking

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<v Speaker 1>at Elka mule deer. I don't know that I've looked

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<v Speaker 1>at too many bears through that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I like spotters, but it's almost a form

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<v Speaker 2>of entertainment for me because I'll find myself where I

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<v Speaker 2>go deer hunting, I'll be looking at mountain goats and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, oh man, these mountain goats are so cool,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll just watch them for hours, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm if I find a good glass knob. I

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<v Speaker 2>just enjoy picking things apart with those spotter scopes. They

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of fun. But again, like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really use it for bear necessarily because most, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>most of my hunting's thick in western Washington. Eastern Washington

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<v Speaker 2>is open, like you were you were talking about in Oregon.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're probably an Eastern Oregon or something of

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<v Speaker 2>that effect, and that's pretty open yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, people at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this episode might be thinking, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I really know what gear to go for I

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<v Speaker 1>learned anything in this And you know, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the point that gear doesn't matter. You're

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that matters, you know, like it's all the

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<v Speaker 1>other things that really truly matter. You know, these are

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<v Speaker 1>just a few things on a list that could help

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<v Speaker 1>you add to the things that you're bringing yourself into

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<v Speaker 1>the equation.

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<v Speaker 2>The one other thing that I would mention before we

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<v Speaker 2>probably end this is like, at least where I hunt,

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<v Speaker 2>leather gloves And that might sound kind of silly or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever to some people, but some of the places I've

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<v Speaker 2>killed bears, like it's an eight foot wall of BlackBerry

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<v Speaker 2>thorn brush that you have to like either crawl through

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<v Speaker 2>through a bear tunnel or cut your way through to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the animal. So it can be pretty brutal

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<v Speaker 2>on your hands. But leather gloves, you can just grab

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<v Speaker 2>those thorns vines and just you know, move them out

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<v Speaker 2>of your way. It's no big deal. Those are very

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<v Speaker 2>handy for me, so and they help keep flies and

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<v Speaker 2>mosquitoes and crap like that off your hands too.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Trekking pulls up with with briars and stuff too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I use those a lot. No, I usually keep a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of leather gloves inside of my packs all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You just never know when you're gonna need them. So

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<v Speaker 1>next time we talk, well, we'll dive into you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what you look for whenever we are scouting for bears.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll start talking about sign and just some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you've written about inside of inside of the magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we'll dive into sizing them, judging them, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about some shot placement and stuff too. So cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks Doug, thank you for having me anytime, happy

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<v Speaker 2>to help.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bear Hunting Magazine Hunt Cast is recorded by Bear

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