Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty the Bill handles
Speaker 1: show on demand on the iHeartRadio f As you know,
Speaker 1: I'm back from my vacation and I went to Ireland
Speaker 1: and to Italy. And since you know, I'm a news junkie,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm really involved in presidential politics, not
Speaker 1: personally but just following it. And you know where I
Speaker 1: sit in terms of this election coming up, So there's
Speaker 1: obviously no secret there. But I'm interested in what other
Speaker 1: people think about America a particularly the presidential coming up
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. And so every time I
Speaker 1: ran in anybody, taxi drivers, people who were lining up
Speaker 1: at tourist areas, sitting in airports, talking to people, I
Speaker 1: would ask, what do you think about the presidential election?
Speaker 2: And while we don't care about what's.
Speaker 1: Happening in Ireland and how many people can mention that
Speaker 1: there or know about the prime minister who's president of Italy,
Speaker 1: no one does.
Speaker 2: We don't pay attention to any of this.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what they do is pay attention
Speaker 1: to us big time. The world follows American politics, especially
Speaker 1: the presidency.
Speaker 2: And there are a couple of reasons for that.
Speaker 1: First of all, the United States is still known and
Speaker 1: considered the leader of the free world, both economically as
Speaker 1: well as militarily, and so when things change, things change.
Speaker 1: For example, one of the themes about the presidential is
Speaker 1: fear of Donald Trump if he wins. Not what he's
Speaker 1: going to do domestically, but what are you going to
Speaker 1: do overseas? For example, pull out of NATO. They're scared
Speaker 1: to that NATO is going to be decimated. The US
Speaker 1: is the primary contributor of both arms and money and
Speaker 1: people in NATO, and they're frightened now. Donald Trump, to
Speaker 1: his credit, threatened to pull out of NATO if people
Speaker 1: didn't come to the table, if the country didn't come
Speaker 1: to the table and pay their share of what was
Speaker 1: agreed to.
Speaker 2: Good for him for doing that. The fear, though, is
Speaker 2: since Donald Trump is.
Speaker 1: More isolationist than that, he's going to pull the United
Speaker 1: States back and we're going to become more i would say,
Speaker 1: more concerned about our domestic issues than what happens internationally.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've done that before prior to World War Two.
Speaker 1: The isolationists a matter of fact, one of the premier
Speaker 1: ones was Charles Lindberg stay out of the war it's
Speaker 1: their war. It's their war. Matter of fact, FDR kept
Speaker 1: on saying, it's their war. I'm not sending troops over there.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to send American boys over there, even
Speaker 1: though he wanted to, because there was such a backlash.
Speaker 1: So it's happened before, and if Trump wins, they're frightened
Speaker 1: that it's going to happen again, where the United States
Speaker 1: is not going to be the force that supports Europe
Speaker 1: for the fear of a Russian invasion.
Speaker 2: For the most part, that's what NATO.
Speaker 1: Was created for, and that is what it still is
Speaker 1: involved with, especially now that you've got crazy guy putin
Speaker 1: over there that doesn't seem to care and he's become
Speaker 1: a rogue dictator. So one of one of those aspects
Speaker 1: is fear of the United States no longer being involved
Speaker 1: internationally because of the isolationists thinking of Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: Republicans the other theme, and they don't care what Trump says.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we care about Alner, Donald Palmer
Speaker 1: and the size of his schwantz. Everybody's making a big
Speaker 1: deal about it because at a rally, Trump just argued
Speaker 1: what a big Johnson Palmer had a right fine, They
Speaker 1: couldn't care less. You know, what they don't do is
Speaker 1: understand our politics. They just don't get Donald Trump. They
Speaker 1: just don't understand him. They don't understand our Second Amendment.
Speaker 1: They don't get it. We don't understand what that's about. Well,
Speaker 1: it's in our constitution. Okay, it's in your constitution. Now
Speaker 1: what why are Americans so obsessed with arms?
Speaker 2: They don't understand that.
Speaker 1: They don't understand why we don't have a national health system.
Speaker 1: There is no industrialized country in the world that does
Speaker 1: not have a national health system except the United States.
Speaker 2: They just don't get it. What's that about?
Speaker 1: So those with a two overriding themes that I got
Speaker 1: from the Europeans. Number one fear of isolationism and number
Speaker 1: two simply not understanding what America is all about, more
Speaker 1: so than they've ever not understood, and so they don't
Speaker 1: want to be on their own. They still look at
Speaker 1: America even though it is not the power it once was.
Speaker 1: After World War Two, the United States owned the world.
Speaker 1: All of Europe was destroyed. You had Japan, who was
Speaker 1: who was one of our primary our primary sort I'm
Speaker 1: looking for here, I'll get there. I'm just I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle of jet lag, enemy one of our primary enemies.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jamie. It was.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was gone. If you want to call Japana,
Speaker 1: she Our country's always cheese by the way I think
Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, anyway, Japan was gone, Europe was gone
Speaker 1: and was the only standing country was the United States
Speaker 1: are manufacturing our system of government? Well, is it the same? No,
Speaker 1: because you have China as a world power, Russia that collapsed.
Speaker 1: What was the world power? It's we're not in the
Speaker 1: same league as we were, but we're still the leaders
Speaker 1: of the free world. We're still the economic juggernaut of
Speaker 1: the Western world, and we're considered the bastion of not
Speaker 1: only freedom, but of military might that's going to save
Speaker 1: the world, the Western world, as we did before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and whenever I don't know a word, write it
Speaker 2: down and hold it up, would you please?
Speaker 1: Okay, like they do with the Olympics nine point eight
Speaker 1: eight point seven, you know that sort of thing, talking
Speaker 1: to the astronauts board the space station, the International Space Station.
Speaker 2: That's quite a get by the way, that kind of
Speaker 2: an interview.
Speaker 1: With Amy, I know, and tried for me to get
Speaker 1: an interview, and we not only got to know there
Speaker 1: was also are you kidding?
Speaker 2: As part of the denial, So good for Amy.
Speaker 1: Whenever any of the other hosts or news people get
Speaker 1: these gets interview like that, we should all appreciate it
Speaker 1: that one of our own has done that. I hate it,
Speaker 1: and to be honest, so does everybody else. Amy, that
Speaker 1: you were able to get that interview. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: resent it.
Speaker 2: Just to let you know. By the way, when is
Speaker 2: the interview as it scheduled.
Speaker 3: It's scheduled for this Wednesday morning. Ah, during wake up call.
Speaker 3: I'm six am.
Speaker 1: That's meat that is let's before do they have a
Speaker 1: case with Wayne coming up at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what's going on with the Veterans Administration.
Speaker 1: If you go down to West LA sort of the
Speaker 1: Brentwood area, you see the National Cemetery which is extraordinary,
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of graves meticulously kept, and then across
Speaker 1: the street from that is the VA and the VA
Speaker 1: the hospital.
Speaker 2: Is there, administration is there.
Speaker 1: But also on the VA land you've got well, let
Speaker 1: me put it this way, you have the Jackie Robinson Stadium,
Speaker 1: the parking lot. Also the Brentwood School has twenty two
Speaker 1: acres and it is a twenty two acre sports complex
Speaker 1: and Olympic pool, football stadium, basketball pavilion, tennis courts, baseball fields.
Speaker 1: And the judge said, pursuing to a civil trial, he's
Speaker 1: on you know why, because I want housing for veterans
Speaker 1: to be on that land. And it's not just his
Speaker 1: personal view, it is a legal decision based on the
Speaker 1: fact that all of that land was given to the
Speaker 1: United States I think it was eighteen eighty eight, came
Speaker 1: under the Veterans Administration, and that land specifically is for
Speaker 1: the use of veterans. The Jackie Robinson Stadium that is
Speaker 1: not for the veterans, a Brentwood School, a private school
Speaker 1: that is not for the veterans. And so the judge said,
Speaker 1: we want housing. I want housing for veterans. And he
Speaker 1: on Friday ordered the US Department of Veteran Affairs to
Speaker 1: select a vendor within a week, have a contract within
Speaker 1: three weeks after that to put up housing for veterans.
Speaker 1: VA officials have to produce some temper housing in ninety
Speaker 1: days before the rainy season.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Carter relaxes timeline on Friday, but pleaded that the contracting,
Speaker 1: the site development, the installation well Okay, maybe can't do
Speaker 1: it in ninety days, but we're going to do it
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. And by the way, he still
Speaker 1: keeps jurisdiction, so all the parties have to come up
Speaker 1: with a plan and a contract.
Speaker 2: And development.
Speaker 1: Now can you do You can't do that in ninety days,
Speaker 1: and he is basically said, too bad. He wants the
Speaker 1: VA to create seven hundred and fifty units of temporary
Speaker 1: housing within eighteen months on that campus, an additional eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred permanent units over six years. And during that trial,
Speaker 1: or at the conclusion of before we trial in which
Speaker 1: the parties said, oh, no, we have leases, Judge said,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Those leases are nullified because the VA
Speaker 1: land was leased to private entities and this includes UCLA
Speaker 1: and the Brentwood School, and this land is to be
Speaker 1: used for veterans and you're not doing that. And the pool,
Speaker 1: he was hilarious even said during the course of his decision,
Speaker 1: and that is the pool that Brentwood has. I want
Speaker 1: it filled with sand, and I want that done within
Speaker 1: ninety days. I mean, this guy is getting really aggressive,
Speaker 1: and he's right.
Speaker 2: He's right. Veterans desperately need housing.
Speaker 1: And when you have a piece of land that was
Speaker 1: to be used for veterans and it's leased out.
Speaker 2: No, no, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Coming up, we end Monday with do they have a
Speaker 1: case with Wayne Resnik? As he was a board ten
Speaker 1: minutes after you've come back, the vacation never existed. It's
Speaker 1: like you're done, and I'm completely jet lagged. As my
Speaker 1: mother would say before she died, I am lagging jets and.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: My mother had a really nice way of speaking in
Speaker 1: terms of all these wonderful phrases that she had.
Speaker 2: Now it is time, as we do every Monday, for
Speaker 2: do they have.
Speaker 1: A case with Wayne? Wayne Resnick and me? So Waine,
Speaker 1: let's get right into it. And well, first of all,
Speaker 1: let me tell everybody the rules. Wayne comes up with
Speaker 1: cases that I've never heard of, that you probably never
Speaker 1: heard of, and these are usually.
Speaker 2: Cases of first impression.
Speaker 1: Usually it's appeals courts, and they decide on one which
Speaker 1: way that they're going to go, and then I guess,
Speaker 1: as you guess, hopefully a somewhat educational guess, and the
Speaker 1: reason why.
Speaker 2: So let's do it Wayne, all right.
Speaker 3: Well, in the late eighties, a man named Robert Bork
Speaker 3: was nominated to the Supreme Court, and he was very controversial.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that happened somebody got the
Speaker 3: video rental store that he frequented to give them the
Speaker 3: list of the videos that Robert Bork had checked out.
Speaker 3: There was nothing salacious on it at all. In fact,
Speaker 3: there was not even one R rated movie. So it
Speaker 3: wasn't that it embarrassed him, but it was concerning that
Speaker 3: the personal information of somebody would be given out. So
Speaker 3: Congress passed the Video Privacy Protection Act that says a
Speaker 3: videotape service provider can't disclose information. Fast forward to now,
Speaker 3: this guy signs up with the NBA NBA dot com
Speaker 3: on their website. They have videos of basketball things on
Speaker 3: that website, and he also signs up for a newsletter,
Speaker 3: an email newsletter from the NBA. Then he finds out
Speaker 3: that the website has a little piece of code on
Speaker 3: it that sends to Meta, the parent company of Facebook,
Speaker 3: the names of the videos that he watches, when he
Speaker 3: watched them, and his Facebook ID, the purpose of which
Speaker 3: is so they can then direct market to him because
Speaker 3: they know what he's into. He sues and says this
Speaker 3: is a violation of the Video Privacy Protection Act. Because
Speaker 3: they're revealing what videos he's watching. Again, there's nothing embarrassing here,
Speaker 3: but it is a privacy issue. Well, the NBA, as
Speaker 3: you might imagine, says, what are you talking about. This
Speaker 3: is a website, it's a newsletter, this is not a
Speaker 3: video store, it's not video cassettes. This has not That
Speaker 3: law has nothing to do with this. And his lawyers say,
Speaker 3: all the terms in that law are not defined. So
Speaker 3: how do you know it doesn't apply to a video
Speaker 3: on a website. Let's go to the courts and they
Speaker 3: go up to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, and
Speaker 3: keeping in mind that the law does not define any
Speaker 3: of the terms it uses, do you think they took
Speaker 3: a modern approach or do you think they said this
Speaker 3: was passed at a time when they were only talking
Speaker 3: about videotapes at video stores. And you have no case?
Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, Oh good, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: First of all, as far as defining whether or not
Speaker 1: releasing a video or using information from a video that's
Speaker 1: on the website, I don't see how big a difference
Speaker 1: it is than releasing information by renting a video cassette.
Speaker 1: You can't rent video cassettesa anymore therefore the law doesn't.
Speaker 2: Apply at all.
Speaker 1: The premise of the law is to keep private your
Speaker 1: information under the circumstances.
Speaker 2: The only argument.
Speaker 1: I would make is the law is too vague because
Speaker 1: it wasn't specific enough. Because usually when laws are too
Speaker 1: vague they failed.
Speaker 2: They have to have some specificity.
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing that the court ruled that releasing of
Speaker 1: that information was in fact in violation of federal law.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the damages are. I have no
Speaker 1: idea unless or statutory damages. Maybe it's just a court order,
Speaker 1: effectively a cease and desist saying you can't do that.
Speaker 2: But obviously he didn't do it on his own.
Speaker 1: There were some pro privacy organizations or law firms that
Speaker 1: wanted this.
Speaker 2: On the books.
Speaker 1: So I am saying that the court upheld the federal
Speaker 1: law and that the provider in this case, the NBA,
Speaker 1: cannot do what it did.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I like the way you said it. Nowhere
Speaker 3: really in this decision did they say it as simply
Speaker 3: as you, which is there's really practically speaking, there's really
Speaker 3: no difference between going to a website and watching a
Speaker 3: video there, or renting a video cassette for the purpose
Speaker 3: of your privacy. But they said he has a case
Speaker 3: and the NBA does not.
Speaker 2: M Now what happened? Do they go forward with that?
Speaker 1: I guess the NBA does just to establish and META
Speaker 1: would jump in just or Meta would jump in just
Speaker 1: to establish the value of the information that's being given
Speaker 1: to them by the NBA through the use of this,
Speaker 1: because data mining is everything. That's where the big money
Speaker 1: is on anything that you are looking at in terms
Speaker 1: of websites or chat roobs or any interest or looking
Speaker 1: up information on Amazon, you know what's on sale, all
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, you know, I'll by stuff and
Speaker 1: I immediately get pop ups, you know, constantly, you know,
Speaker 1: I come on, I'm tired of it. You know, marital aids,
Speaker 1: you know, lubricants. I mean, and I'm just tired of
Speaker 1: getting those pop ups. Time very crazy.
Speaker 3: There's an easy answer to this, just so you know
Speaker 3: that you can give out the information if the customer consents.
Speaker 3: All we really have to do is allow you say, Hey,
Speaker 3: do you mind if we share your information so we
Speaker 3: can give you ads you want to see instead of
Speaker 3: ads you don't want to see, like Bill with his lube.
Speaker 2: That's true. Okay, We're done. Guys, at least for the
Speaker 2: first segment.
Speaker 1: Let's come back and we'll go into another case as
Speaker 1: we finish.
Speaker 2: Do they have a case on a Monday?
Speaker 1: All right, back we go with Wayne Resnik and me
Speaker 1: do they have a case?
Speaker 2: As we end our Monday broadcast.
Speaker 3: Bill, I'm going to start this with a personal question
Speaker 3: to you. Yeah, in the shower do you use for
Speaker 3: washing your body? Do you use your hand? Do you
Speaker 3: use a washcloth? Do you use a loof Uh? What
Speaker 3: do you use?
Speaker 2: I use a loofh oh.
Speaker 3: Well, then you are kind of guy you would like
Speaker 3: Charles Douglas Yoder. He also likes to use a loofah.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're called body puffs in the shower. However, he
Speaker 3: has a problem you don't have. He's in prison, and
Speaker 3: although they sell lufahs in the prison commissary, they will
Speaker 3: not sell one to him because the prison rules are
Speaker 3: lufahs are only for registered transgender inmates. Mister Yoda is
Speaker 3: a cis gendered man.
Speaker 2: But like what a cist gender, cis.
Speaker 3: Gendered means you you agree with the gender that you
Speaker 3: were born like a man a man. He's a man
Speaker 3: and he identifies as a man.
Speaker 1: And who was born a man, and he and that's
Speaker 1: and he palmer with his huge fonts, a man's man.
Speaker 2: As the president former President Trump.
Speaker 3: Said, yes, yes, wasn't expecting to hear that callback on
Speaker 3: the show this morning, but here we are. But you
Speaker 3: are back. So they won't sell him the loofah because
Speaker 3: he's just a guy. And they said, if you want
Speaker 3: to buy a loofa from the prison commissary, you can
Speaker 3: change your designated gender to female. We will then consider
Speaker 3: you a trans inmate and then you are allowed to
Speaker 3: buy the lufa. And he said, well, why is this rule?
Speaker 3: And they said lufahs are a privilege item for trans prisoners,
Speaker 3: which doesn't really explain why now it does it? So no,
Speaker 3: he so he sues and the federal district court dismisses
Speaker 3: his case and says, you don't you're not even stating
Speaker 3: a case because you don't have a constitutional right to
Speaker 3: buy something from the prison commissary, So how can you
Speaker 3: have a case or acclaim. So he goes up to
Speaker 3: the Court of Appeals where he explains and by the way,
Speaker 3: sometimes I say he explains or he said, and I
Speaker 3: mean as lawyers, he did all of this himself. And
Speaker 3: he says that lower court judge is a moron. My
Speaker 3: argument was not I have a constitutional right to buy
Speaker 3: something from the commissary. My argument is this violates the
Speaker 3: equal protection clause. If they don't want to sell lufus
Speaker 3: to anybody, I have no case. Once they sell lufus
Speaker 3: to anybody, they have to sell them to everybody unless
Speaker 3: they can explain why it is necessary for running a
Speaker 3: prison to treat people differently. That's my argument. Now, what
Speaker 3: does the circuit court say, and what do you say
Speaker 3: being a fan of the lufah Okay, First.
Speaker 1: Of all, I think that the appellate court agreed with him,
Speaker 1: and that the lower court judge was a moron. While
Speaker 1: citizens do not have while people in prison do not
Speaker 1: have the same right, First Amendment rights, etc.
Speaker 2: And there is no constitutional right.
Speaker 1: The discrimination here is so blatant, makes no sense whatsoever,
Speaker 1: is so capricious, It is so discriminatory on its face.
Speaker 3: I think he prevails. He does, which means the case
Speaker 3: goes back down to the moron judge with some guidance.
Speaker 3: You know, they compliment this guy throughout their opinion. He
Speaker 3: must have written some very well reasoned arguments. They complimented him.
Speaker 3: They said, we don't. We're not even sure what standard
Speaker 3: of scrutiny we have to apply here. We don't have
Speaker 3: to decide. We'll make the lower court decide. But even
Speaker 3: if we say it's the lowest possible standard, rational basis standard,
Speaker 3: even under that it's most favorable to the prison, this
Speaker 3: guy's case should not have been dismissed. So he gets
Speaker 3: to go have his day in court, and that lower
Speaker 3: court judge is probably not gonna be happy to see
Speaker 3: him again.
Speaker 2: It's the way it goes. Two for two. I did today,
Speaker 2: you did.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: We were talking about the lawsuit in UH which the
Speaker 1: fellow sued about or the end or the National Basketball
Speaker 1: League suit about its information being used and releasing UH
Speaker 1: its information to META. And it occurred to me, why
Speaker 1: I'm getting so many pop ups to go to.
Speaker 2: Kentucky and move there.
Speaker 1: Now it's kind of a stretch, okay, and you figure
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Kentucky does it?
Speaker 3: Does it have to do with two words that come
Speaker 3: like come after Kentucky and people have.
Speaker 1: To do with mailing a letter to Kentucky UH and
Speaker 1: not mailing a letter, And that is what is the
Speaker 1: abbreviation for Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Oh, geez, Louise Bill, it's a stretch. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say it. Do you want to just reveal what you're
Speaker 3: getting at for someone?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I'm not going to release it. People can
Speaker 1: figure it out on their own, but it is. It's
Speaker 1: a stretch, granted. All Right, Neil, just be as depraved
Speaker 1: as ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sir, am Wayne. We'll catch you again next Monday.
Speaker 1: Thanks for filling in, by the way, you bottle while
Speaker 1: I was gone. All right, this is OH We're back
Speaker 1: again tomorrow and Amy starts five o'clock with wake up Call.
Speaker 2: The rest of us come aboard.
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