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I'm Chris Welsh. That is Scott Bogman in today we

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are talking about fantasy football sleepers, but we're doing it

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a little bit different than you might know usually, which

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by the way, the company that I work for, we

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go here's the top ten sleepers for the league. Here's

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our picks for the sleepers. What we're doing today is

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we are picking a part the sleepers that everybody picks

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at running back, wide receiver, quarterback, and tight end. We

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are talking about the most popular sleepers, the guys that

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are expected to break out, the guys that should have

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a chance if given the opportunity. We're talking about sleepers

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across the board, and we are going to cherry pick

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some names that we think are worth the conversation. So

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it is not just the ten biggest sleepers for the

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twenty twenty six season. No, these are the sleepers that

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everybody is talking about and are we buying are selling it?

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You said an interesting thing to me before we started.

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You were just kind of like, the process of here

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are my five sleepers is kind of, I don't know,

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dead a little bit in your mind. I definitely don't

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think it's dead, and I don't think he meant it

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that way. It's not like dead because it's still relevant.

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The term sleeper is very Yeah, we've spent three or

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four years talking about the death of the sleeper in

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that like, yes, it isn't what it traditionally is, and

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we don't really need to necessarily go down that road anymore.

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But I like this idea of talking about kind of

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the combined sleepers that everybody is talking about and kind

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of breaking them apart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and sleepers, I think is the SEO term that

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gets people to click on the show and all that stuff.

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I would say that the players we're going to talk

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about today are mainly ticketed for a breakout or people

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think they're going to have some type of a breakout, right,

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So I think sleepers might be more kind of the same.

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But sleepers are more of like a, Hey, nobody's talking

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about this guy. But there's not a single player that

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no one is talking about anymore. There's too many opinions

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wide ranging on every single player. So I don't know

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that there's such thing as a sleeper anymore. But the

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players that we expect to take that next step, those

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are sleepers breakout players, however you want to say it.

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you know, step up and take the next step. There

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are guys that are going to get chances, you know,

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maybe not expected, like you know, just at the running

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back position. Maybe not like Jeremiah Love, who you know,

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was a top five pick omar and Hampton who had

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a really good back half of the season but was

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hurt in the beginning of the season. Reverse for Cam

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Skataboo where he was really good to start and uh,

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you know finished off slow at the end, right, so

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and he got hurt. So you know, it's who is

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going to take control of a role and you know,

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be of value in your drafts. That's what we're looking for,

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is breakouts, sleepers however you want to say it. And

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instead of saying, well this is my favorite sleeper, here's

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everybody's favorite sleepers?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or breakouts? Who do we like? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And where are we buying it?

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if you're not on like social media and stuff, it's

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a little bit different. But you know, it has gotten

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to a point where because you're kind of always being sold.

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You know what I mean, for the il join up

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with the Patreon that's to support us. But I'm getting

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at is like you're always being sold, especially on social media.

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I am this, I am that, Hey, I'm love. I

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just watched a video the other day of a guy. Hey,

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I'm not gonna say his name, but I win and

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I only win, And I'm gonna teach you have thousands

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of people to win. And now I'm gonna give you

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the guys that are making you win, like you're always

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being sold to stuff. We have a commercial different company

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for sure, but then you've also got these guys that

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are out there and and the reason this is one

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of the reasons I think sleepers have died too, is

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that you'll get these threads and people literally throw out

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every single player. I mean there are countless amounts of

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accounts that they literally will tweet about every single player

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so that they can then celebrate their win. It's not

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even a joke. It's not like a hyperbolic about it.

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can break out, and then when they do, they come

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back to it, see I told you so, and then

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they continues that selling point. And that's not like I

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think it is good to break you break down everybody

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that's like a solid thing, but you claim the win

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because you've talked about a player at all times. That

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was like, that's a one of the pieces of the

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death of the idea of the true idea of a sleeper,

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because like you said before, there are so many more.

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I mean, fantasy football is an industry. It's like why

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fantasy pros is still successful and makes money and it's

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why so many it's why I mean, Yahoo Naho just spent.

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I was joking with Seely about this because I just

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did a show with Seely look at Yahoo a year ago,

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and Yahoo was the one that was firing everybody and

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then doing AI aggregated like articles and stuff. And they

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just unloaded the damn vault to bring in Justin boone

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last year with Matt Harmon, and then they just brought

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in the underdog guys Hayden. I think it's Hayden and

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Josh Norris, and yeah, they are spent. I mean hat

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tip by the way to a company spending on content.

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But my point to that is, not only do you

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have the major companies. You know, ESPN's a little bit

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out of it, but you got a couple that are

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getting back into it contents thriving again. But then you

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got a billion other indipend companies. The conversation is so

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much louder, wider, and further on it that it's like

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you can't get away. You got to just find the

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people that are having the right conversations. And sometimes that's

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going to be other shows, and you know, sometimes it's

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going to be like what we're doing here, it's like

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we are having a conversation about the conversations. I think

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that's kind of a helpful thing to do. But just

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a side note, by the way, the freaking industry. By

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the way, it's not something we really do in fantasy pros.

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But you add, what is it rotal wire bringing in

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psych a.

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Speaker 3: Regular NFL off season?

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Speaker 4: Dude, Dude, like you got leave my fantasy life and

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then THEO Grimminger leave Fantasy points and go.

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Speaker 2: To rotal Wire. Holy crap, road a wire, I got bigger.

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Yahoo just brought in two huge, huge free agents. Underdog

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is like, you know, they're playing for the future. They

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sold out. They they're uh, you know they're playing for

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I don't know ever, they're getting out of the content business.

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My fantasy life has got to bring in people. It

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is actually kind of wild right now. It is like

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a real football season in the fantasy world. And those

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are just some of the big dogs that are sitting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of moving and shaking right now

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in the industry. So but you're ready to get into

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these breakouts, well, she lets go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna do this. So how it's the stage

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for it is We've got running backs, wide receivers, quarterbacks,

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and tight ends. We have got a couple different categories.

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I'm we will I will list off the players that

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you put in each category. It does not mean we're

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going to do heavy conversation on all them. I kind

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of highlighted some players that I think are really worth

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the sleeper conversations. So there's like a boatload of names

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that are on there. But we'll be going through each

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position breaking down the idea of these sleepers, and then

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you guys can let us know, like what are you

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buying in? These are popular ones that you're gonna see

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break being broken down, but what level you know, are

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you really buying it? And I'll be frank, there's there's

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a guy or two as I've really been digging into

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my process here stat hunting. You know, mine, now, unfortunate

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is a little bit later than like yours, because I'm

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so inundated with baseball that I started to dug in.

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I'm starting to find some players that I'm kind of like,

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not only just like falling in love with normally, but

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some that aren't unpopular sleeper ones. So I might even

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throw that out here as well. But we got a

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whole bunch of names. We're gonna break down what some

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of these sleepers can and will be. I'm excited to

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do it. We will do it right on the other

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Speaker 3: But wait, let me explain something to you.

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Speaker 2: I am not in this league. You're in this league.

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Speaker 3: I'm the dude.

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Speaker 2: You are one pathetic loser. Sleeper running backs not necessarily are.

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So there are a couple of players that I would

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qualify if we were putting this article together. We are

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going to kick it off. They're two groupings that we're

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gonna do with the sleeper running backs. There are the

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players that are commonly expected to break out. They're pretty

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common names, and then you've got this tier called they

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should have a chance to earn the touches to justify

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their break out. The second grouping, I think there is

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one name particularly that is like one of the biggest

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sleepers in the entire land. So again not that you

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guys necessarily matter. The organization of it is these are

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common expected players to break out, and then the guys

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that should potentially get touches that could warrant it. And

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the real definition of sleepers might be in that second one.

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Speaker 1: So and I think that maybe sleepers breakouts however you

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want to say it. The the fact that you're drafting

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them is you are drafting them for upside, right, It's

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a little more than what they've shown. Breakout sleepers, however

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you want to say it, and way worth way more

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than their draft.

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Speaker 3: Spot as well.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we've always said.

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Speaker 1: That we that's every player on this list, but there

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are categories of how they get to their breakout.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so it's a fair point. I actually think

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there's a little bit like the top names you have

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in the expected because you're kind of moving away I

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guess from the sleeper angle of how you're writing this,

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the first couple of players really don't qualify in the

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traditional sleeper since they are a little bit moreraouts. Because

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the names in this expected to break out a la

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are they sleepers? Starts with a Marion Hampton, Jeremiah Love

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comes in at number two, Cam Skataboo, Quinchawn Jutkins, Traveon Henderson,

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base Sheelle Tuton, and Jendarium Price. That is the grouping

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of kind of the higher RealMed players that you can

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term them as sleepers because you think they are going

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to do more, but really the breakout is more of

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a breakdown. Yeah, I would say Omaron Hampton is the

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most non sleeper of the group because it is the

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truest sense of a breakout, but it's hard to kind

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of go against it. I'm pretty firm on this one,

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like I am hardcore team A Marion Hampton. I think

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there are some people that are looking at Keithon Mitchell

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as being a great fit to what McDaniel might want

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to do overall with the offense and what he can

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do on the receiving side. But Hampton proved to be

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a great pass catcher. In nine games, he caught thirty

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two of thirty five targets at around two hundred yards

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average over almost four and a half per rush attempt

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from a per game basis fifteen point one Fantasy points

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per game. He is ranked though ECR is a top

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ten back, so you can't sleep on him. He almost

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borderliness maybe the most him and the next guy the

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most like not doable player for this list. But the

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idea of him breaking out is that Hampton is not

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just going to go down the route of you know

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him being worthwhile as like a pseudo top twelve. You know,

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running back in that he could be a top five guy,

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and I think under McDaniel the potential is for that

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to happen, especially if they paced back, slow the offense

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down and they run through him and they don't do

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too much of a I don't want to call it

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a committe because it's not gonna a committee, but they

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don't add in guys like like Keith Mitchell. But Hampton

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is a very popular one. So so what is your

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level of the Hampton breakout to happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely happening.

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Speaker 1: It really happened at the back end of last season,

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and it just didn't happen fully for the complete season

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because he got hurt early in the season and missed

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a bunch of games, then came back and probably came

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back quick.

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Speaker 3: What guys do but a little gimpy.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this is a dude that in college

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in twenty twenty three he had two hundred and eighty

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two total touches. In twenty twenty four, the year before

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he entered the NFL three hundred and nineteen touches. This

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is a bell cow back in a system that is

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going to be revolved around the run game. Mike McDaniel

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does like to throw at slinging downfield and all that,

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but everything works off the run. So I'm not even

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that big of a Keaton Mitchell fan. I like Kimani

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Fidell better, but.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't another one great point. That's another one of those.

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Speaker 1: They're both way worse than Omari and Hampton. Omarion Hampton

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is going to be one of those things where maybe

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early we see you know, Mitchell coming in on packages,

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Timany Midell coming in on packages and whatever. But it's

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gonna be one of those things a lot like you know,

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I'm not saying it's Christian McCaffrey, but it's that same

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idea of what Kyle Shanahan does. Kyle Shanahan every year

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says we're going to give the ball less to scene

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we get into a game. Most NFL games are tight,

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and it's really hard to take your best player off

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the field. And that is what is That is exactly

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what's going to happen to a mari and Hampton. He's

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going to have close to three hundred touches maybe over

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that that. I'm I have him in my top ten.

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He's in RB one to me no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's even more upside from

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a projection standpoint. Looking at Fantasy pros projections, they've got

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him as the eleventh total scoring wide receiver or running

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back in half PPR, and they've got him right at

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three hundred touches two forty nine, especially two fifty. It's

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two forty nine point eight rush attemts fifty one and

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a half catches, So it's like three zho one on

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the touches, which would equate around fourteen hundred yards and

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twelve touchdowns. It does seem like an aggressive number, but

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I think there is an easy path to start to

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look and maybe you start to even look at some

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type of a baseline of like look at what a

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Chan was and it's like, is it crazy to think

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that Hampton could go to two seventy on the carries

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and get twelve hundred yards rushing? Is it crazy for

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him to have caught thirty two passes in nine games

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for him to touch to like fifty five to sixty

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catches and maybe it's four fifty on the receiving side.

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Devon ah Chan this year is projected for just under

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eighteen hundred total yards in that bad offense. Touchdowns are

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kind of down. But like, I think the window between

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Hampton and a Chan is much smaller than what the

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projections have. Eight Chan is the fourth highest scoring running

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back and Hampton is the eleventh. There is a forty

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point gap. Roughly a forty point gap. I think there's

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an easy path where this could be a ten point

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gap and maybe it goes in favor of Hampton where

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h Chan comes down a little bit. I mean they

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have eight Chan above James Cook and Hampton comes up.

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I think Hampton has the top five upsides. So but

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for that perspective, I think that is there's a real

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sense of a breakout. So I'm gonna buy this breakout.

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So it's kind of like a buy selling here. I'm

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going to buy the breakout that people are selling on Hampton.

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Speaker 3: That same Yeah, Okay, it's gonna be a great year

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for him.

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Speaker 2: You put on this list, Jeremiah Love, We're gonna kind

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of move past these. I really don't think he qualifies

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because he's a rookie. There's no breakout there.

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Speaker 3: We just haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't seen it. He's a popular name. Drafting.

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Cam Scatterby is kind of interesting that you put on

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this list because I just don't know if people know

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what to do with him. Some people are talking about

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the breakout because you know, the team loves him, Harbaugh

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loves him. There could be the workhorse qwen John Jutkins

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is interesting because there's a little bit of a push

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that's coming up. I saw in social media that there's

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there was an AFC executive Judkins is going to have

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a big year.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The assumption is, you know, they're going to just kind

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of let him roll. The offense might be humming a

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little bit more. So that's kind of an interesting one.

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And if you look at the hat. But the half

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point projections though have him like below DeAndre Swift and

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below Bucky Irving, you know, and Cam Scattaboo. So the

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projections are telling a tough story because of the reception.

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So just wanted to throw out that, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Judkins is a weird case because when he played at

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Ole Miss in college two and six nine and two

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hundred and ninety three touches. When he went to Ohio

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State and split time with Trevion Henderson, he was down

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to two hundred and thirteen touches. I kind of think

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he works better in that range. But he is again

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a lot like Omri and Hampton, way way better than

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anybody else on the roster. It's just that offense is

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kind of you know, there's gonna be some growing pains

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with the Browns offense. Judkins is coming off of major injury.

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You have OH line problems, QB issues, and a lot

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of youth now catching the ball. So it is like,

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I like Judkins, I think he's on the same level

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as Hampton and Talent, but the offenses are extremely different

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and the Browns are obviously way worse.

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Speaker 2: The three names on this list, though, that I think

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are really in the we're gonna buy or sell are

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very popular names, one of which was last year again,

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is it like really a breakout or sleep or whatever

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it is? Trevion Henderson. There were hot, much higher expectations

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on Trevian Henderson. So now Travion falls into this space

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of are we sleeping on him? He comes in as

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the twenty third running back in ECR. You've got him

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a little bit higher. A lot of people are kind

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of team reminder. Stevens one hundred and eighty carries over

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nine hundred yards. Good on the touchdowns, the receiving, you know,

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like we thought there was gonna be way more and

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then Roder Stevenson ended up kind of taking that. He

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only had one receiving touchdown. The usage are just really

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weird on Trevion Henderson, but there was a lot of

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effectiveness out there. He is a very very common name

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that is popping up in the breakout. Again, it's not

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quite sleeper. This is the breakout portion. The next guys

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are more of the sleepers. Do you buy or sell

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that the breakout is coming for Trevion Henderson and that

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he's going to get the usage because this is ten

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touchdowns last year. He can't run back what he did

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last year and disqualify. He has to take a big step.

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So do you buy or sell that?

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Speaker 1: I buy it, And you know, I'm not crazy high

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on you know, versus ECR. I haven't met twenty three

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or I haven't at twenty the DCRs twenty three, so

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I'm a little bit higher than that. I just with

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a guy this talented and to me, the way that

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he works for fans to see reminds me a little

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bit of a chance in that he doesn't need two

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hundred and fifty touches to make a giant impact. You know,

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last last year he had how many carries? He have

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one hundred and eighty, one hundred and eighty carries and

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then it was thirty five catches, so just over two

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hundred touches. I think he gets more than that. I

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think he gets closer to fifty this year. I think

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we see the difference between him and Stevenson a little

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bit more. Stevenson gets a little bit older, Anderson gets

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a little more experience, and I just I think this

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is going to be a much better year for Henderson

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than it will be for Stevenson. I know that not

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everybody thinks that, but last year reminded me a little

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bit of remember when JT came into the league and naihim,

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Hines kept getting a crazy amount of touches, and like,

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what are we doing. It's obviously closer than that, because

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Stevenson is better than Hines, But I just think that

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Trayvon Henderson is by far the best back in this backfield.

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And I think at some point, specifically with getting a J. Brown,

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getting Romeo Dobs better catchers, you have a lot of

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those underneath tosses that you're gonna want to throw to

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a guy like Henderson because he's amazing with the ball

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in his hands, So I want there's a lot there

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for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in interesting, I want to say this is on like, uh,

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there's this page called NFL savant, but if you're looking

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at like yards over expected, he was number one in

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rush yards overexpected last year at one point two eight,

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So you know, I mean that is showing a player

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that is making more out of every single play, whether

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that is open field stuff, offensive line, what they do.

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Like he was number one in rushing yards over expected,

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so like that gives a big play. But I'm kind

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of a sell to this just because, like, I don't

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think the I don't think we have anything that has

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told us otherwise that they're not going to use both

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of these guys in compliment and that they keep going

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back to Romandri while Ramondre Stevenson is there. I'm a

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sell of this, even though I think Trayvon Henderson is

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a more talented player. You're two is the is the

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spot though, where this could start to happen. So I

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see why this is being put out there, but I

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just don't buy it. When Trevan Henderson is there.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Then second guy on this list, Bashall Tuton, very popular

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one Bachell Tuton eighty three carries three hundred and seven yards,

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five touchdowns last year obviously very limited work. Caught a

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few balls, got some touchdowns. That's all fine, and Sexy

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Aten is gone. Touton is the guy. There's a little

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bit of Chris Rodriguez is out there. I heard somebody

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saying this and it might have been on a show

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I did where it was like, yeah, Chris Rodriguez is

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expected to get goal line and early downs, but Tuoton

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is this this, And I'm like, that's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of the stuff, like it is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good thing that Chris Rodriguez is not

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like the receiving side, and they clearly love to throw

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the ball in the backfield and screen passes to running

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backs and that's going to help for Tutin. But like,

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if he doesn't have the early down and the goal line,

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that is going to minimize the upside. He is ECR

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twenty five at RB you are a little bit lower.

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So I'm leaning to the sell on this one as well.

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Are you with me on the sell? The big breakout

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of Bachelle Tuton.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just not quite there with Bachelle Tuton. And

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I think, you know the fact that Etn is gone

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is great for him, the fact that I think he

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still leads this team in touches, right, Like I do

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00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:14,359
think that he is the best back on the roster.

477
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,680
I just don't think he think that he's that much

478
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,559
better than se Rod. I don't think that he's that

479
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,640
much better than Jamari Taylor, who they took as a

480
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,680
UDFA late. And we've seen udfas get run remember Philip

481
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,960
Lindsay getting a lot of run. Arion Foster was the UDFA. Right.

482
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,240
There have been success stories, way more failures than success stories,

483
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,039
of course, But I just don't think that Bachelle Tuton

484
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:39,240
is an elite level RB. And I don't know how

485
00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:42,240
much better he is in the guys on the roster currently.

486
00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:45,079
And we know Liam Cohen has the history with Sea

487
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,920
Rod at Kentucky, so he knows him from there. And

488
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,400
I think that I think that the most likely thing

489
00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:53,359
is this is going to be a frustrating Seattle type

490
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,400
of running back situation where you know, last year we

491
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720
saw Ken Walker working at great between the twenties, but

492
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:01,160
then you get anywhere the goal line. Here comes Zach

493
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,680
Sharbonay and he's not getting enough carries, but he's occasionally

494
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,279
getting the touchdown and it frustrates everybody. That's kind of

495
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:09,319
how I see the Jaguars backfield going. Unless one of

496
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,519
them gets hurt. Then if one of them gets hurt,

497
00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,240
then maybe one of these guys gets a nice role,

498
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,039
But you can't count on that. So I'm probably gonna

499
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,880
be out on Jacksonville Jaguar running backs overall, and that

500
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,160
includes Tuton, and I've moved him up. I had him

501
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,200
at thirty two before, so.

502
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a path where if they made the commitment.

503
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,880
I mean, I got me honest with you. When I

504
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,440
do see like the projections at two hundred and forty

505
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,279
three carries and run thirty catches, it's like, that's actually

506
00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:36,920
pretty nice. I'm just not sure that qualifies for the

507
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,079
breakout like versus what was last year. But if you

508
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,519
bake in the cost, is Bachel Tuton going to perform

509
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:47,920
at a level that is dramatically higher than what the

510
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,680
current cost is, That's where I think I fall apart

511
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:50,880
on this.

512
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: Two and six touches was the most he's ever had

513
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,440
in college by the way, Okay.

514
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: But it's not crazy to be like, Okay, now he's

515
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,519
gonna have two sixty, you know, sixty more touches after

516
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:02,799
being I just don't think that's like an insane thing

517
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:04,559
to think about. But I'm not saying that's gonna happen.

518
00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:06,920
And again it is. It's kind of baked in.

519
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,839
Speaker 1: His projection, isn't But he had ninety three last year.

520
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,200
It's just no, no, And everybody can stand up to

521
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,240
that type of beating, that's all.

522
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: But there is no like like Chris Rodriguez is the

523
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,880
guy in front of him, is what I'm getting at,

524
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,799
Like surevation of bacial tutin, it is already baked in

525
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,839
so high. He is four points under quin Shawn Jutkins

526
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,000
in projections and half people are on fantasy pros. He

527
00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:34,519
is projected higher than Traveon Henderson, David Montgomery, Tony Pollard,

528
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,799
Jadarian Price. He's higher than all those guys, so versus

529
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,480
what the expectation already is out there, I agree with you.

530
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:42,680
I think Chris Rodriguez is going to be a problem.

531
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,680
I don't know if they're comfortable giving him mass workload,

532
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,079
and I think it's gonna be kind of inconsistently frustrating.

533
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,559
I think you mentioned it like I love the Seattle comparison, Like, oh,

534
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,519
two weeks it's Serbonne and then it's ken Walker, and

535
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:56,640
it's like that to me doesn't signify versus what he

536
00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,400
was last year. Yeah, he is sure sure also, Bagan,

537
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,640
that makes me want to sell. The only other running

538
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,279
back in this range is Jadarium Price, who is ECR

539
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,119
twenty seven. Til J's projected a little bit lower. He

540
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,039
was a backup to Jeremiah Love, but there really isn't

541
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:14,559
a lot of push right now. Sharbon is hurt and

542
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,079
it's kind of like Holdani or him, and I think

543
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:18,920
a lot of people expect Jerim Price to kind of

544
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,440
run with this. Do you buy the breakout in that

545
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,680
not only will you have the early run, but when

546
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,680
sharbon Ay comes back, he can take on kind of

547
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,319
a ken Walker type role with.

548
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: Sharbonne, Absolutely, and honestly, we don't know what the hell

549
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,799
we're getting from sharboning. He tore his ACL in the playoffs, right,

550
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,640
So when is this dude coming back? Is it Halloween?

551
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,039
Is it Thanksgiving? You know, I think it's probably somewhere

552
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,480
in that ballpark in between there so at the end

553
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,599
of October to the end of November, which means there's

554
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:50,319
gonna be a big chunk of the season for Jerian

555
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Price is leading the Seattle Seahawks backfield because he's better

556
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:57,960
than George Hallani, He's better than Emmanuel Wilson, who are

557
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,319
there in front of him. That is why I really

558
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,680
like this landing spot for him is there's no one

559
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:04,880
in front of him at all challenging him. If Zach

560
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,559
Scharbonay was there, I think Zach Charbonay is. We know

561
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,359
he's a better back than Price. We just don't know

562
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,319
what Price's upside is because even in college, this dude

563
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,519
was blocked yet Jeremiah Love in front of him, and

564
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:19,240
Jeremiah Love seems to think that he can do most

565
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,039
of the stuff that he can do. That Price can

566
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:23,559
do most of the stuff that Love can do. So

567
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:27,000
think I think Price is going to show us more,

568
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,160
maybe in his first season, than he even did in college.

569
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,799
And I think this is he has enormous upside. I

570
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,960
much much rather have Price than I would too. It's

571
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:39,720
not even close.

572
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm with you on that one. This

573
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,279
is a buye So I'm a buy of a Hampton

574
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,160
and Price on the breakout. I'm a sell of Henderson

575
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,200
and touting on the big breakout. When you get into

576
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,720
the sleeper market, I think there's one big name I

577
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:54,880
want to talk about. We could drop another one or

578
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,440
two in here, but here are the popular names that

579
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,680
you put together as the popular sleepers you RJH. And

580
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,240
this is ranked from like ECR down, by the way,

581
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,759
not any other type of thing.

582
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,279
Speaker 1: R J.

583
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: Harvey as one, Kyle manong Guy, popular sleeper, Blake Korum

584
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,039
popular sleeper, especially when he does a little one leggy

585
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,880
things and people all lose themselves on Twitter, Jakoy Krosky, Merritt,

586
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,359
Jonathan Brooks, Jonah Coleman, k Tron Allen, Nicholas Singleton, and

587
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,640
Damon Claiborne's really far down that you've obviously put some

588
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:30,079
deeper names on there. I think I'm not interested in RJ. Harvey.

589
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,680
I know you a little bit more are. I think

590
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,079
when Dobbins is healthy is out there. The interesting thing

591
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,240
about the top three, just as a real quick aside,

592
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,559
I think they are all attached to what they can

593
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:43,440
be if the player in front of them is gone,

594
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,960
like r J. Harvey, if there's no Dobbins. Harvey was

595
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
super disappointing next year, maybe less than I'm making that

596
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,240
out to be, but specifically, like Blake Korum. Like Blake Korum,

597
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,200
he's gonna get his run, but he is capped, Like

598
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,079
he can only be so much unless Kyle Williams, unless

599
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,480
Karen Williams is completely gone. Kaman On Guy kind of

600
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,160
the same thing. Any quick thoughts on is there one

601
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,519
guy in there that you think is more of a

602
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,240
sleeper between Harvey, Manong Guy and Korum than the others.

603
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: Well, I would say, like, if all the guys in

604
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,039
front of them go down, I want play Korm by

605
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:15,720
a million miles because the offense is just so good.

606
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: But that's why, like I think he's the most enticing

607
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,039
of all those players, because a he has his run,

608
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,480
it's a power offense, and be if the guy behind

609
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,279
him goes down, he's he's instantly probably like a top

610
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:27,640
ten back in the NFL. So that's why, like it's

611
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,640
not even close for me. I would take Korum over

612
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,920
Manoguy and Harvey, and ECR has both Harvey and Manong

613
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,599
Guy over him.

614
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,039
Speaker 1: I mean I would rather have Harvey or Manonguy just

615
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,119
because I don't like the guys in front of him

616
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,599
more like I love Kyron, so I think Kyron sticks.

617
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,240
I don't think this is going to be an issue,

618
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,480
but if and I think Korum gets more run this

619
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,519
year too, because it really seems like, you know, with

620
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,440
adding Miles Garrett and potentially Aaron Donald come back, it

621
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,640
looks like they are going to just be beating people

622
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,799
into the dirt every single week, and then that's gonna

623
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:02,680
be a lot of late carries for Korm and probably

624
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,319
even Jarqua's Hunter getting involved as well, so lots of

625
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:07,319
garbage time for him.

626
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,759
Speaker 3: It looks like this year or more than last year anyway.

627
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, all these guys have a chance

628
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,880
to do it if if you know, take out the

629
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,599
guy in front of them, I would have Korm at

630
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,200
the top right now. I have him behind Harvey and

631
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,079
Mano on Guy. I just think that Harvey Amano on

632
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:24,599
Guy can earn more touches without anything happening to the

633
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,440
guy in front of them. They're just better, that's fair.

634
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: I just think they don't matter. Those touches don't matter.

635
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,880
That's why I'm Quorum over both of those guys. Bill

636
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,680
So the two I think to really focus on Bill

637
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,599
Crosskey Merritt. The Commander's backfield is much talked about right

638
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,279
now because you got Rashad White, who is also I mean,

639
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:43,880
you didn't put him on here, but I actually think

640
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,720
Rashad White might have.

641
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: But Rashad White's already broken out, so I didn't. I

642
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,359
didn't put him on it. He has already had a

643
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,839
year where he had three hundred touches in the.

644
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,319
Speaker 2: NFL Okay, so I guess.

645
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we've seen the upside.

646
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: The assumption is that people are going to happen, that

647
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640
that is going to happen this year, So I would

648
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
say he is one of those. But people are still

649
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,680
kind of ligning on Bill Krofsky merrit A. Do you

650
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,440
buy Bill Krossky Merritt as a actual sleeper back with

651
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:08,559
the Commanders this year?

652
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: Nope, And I've gotten hate. I've got to hate for this.

653
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,799
I think he's better for a single season this year

654
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,400
than he would be.

655
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: You know.

656
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,359
Speaker 1: That he is in the future, right I think he

657
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,400
has at least a decent chance to take this shop.

658
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,880
But I think Rashad White is the better back specifically

659
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,119
for this team. So I know that Rashod White is

660
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:33,680
gonna get all of the receiving chops. I think cross

661
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,400
ky Merit can build himself there. I think that's what

662
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,359
his ultimate goal should be in his career because he's

663
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,920
a little bit undersized. Is to be that that, you know,

664
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,039
third down guy. That's just not what he is right now.

665
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:47,039
So and I think Kate Tron Allen is a thumper

666
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:51,400
that is missing from both White and j CM. So

667
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,240
somebody is getting pushed out here. I think it's gonna

668
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,839
be White or Bill and Kateron Allen is gonna have

669
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,039
maybe a goal line or short yardage role.

670
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: So you're a k tron Allen sleeper guy.

671
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm Kate Tron Allen I think is a sleeper in

672
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,519
that what Sea Rod did for them last year, because

673
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:12,400
they've already mentioned about replacing Chris Rod with h k

674
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,799
Tron Allen. So not that he's a sleeper, like he

675
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,079
could take this backfield and be the best. I think

676
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:20,400
that is like in the five percent of possibility, Like

677
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,440
way way down the line, if you squint your eyes

678
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,240
real hard, you can see that for k Tron. So

679
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,200
if you're a deeply take a flyer on him.

680
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: I like that. But Rashad White is my guy here,

681
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,640
which means I'm out on Bill Over.

682
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm also I think

683
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,319
the most popular sleeper though in the land is Jonathan Brooks.

684
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,880
Everybody has got a story on it, and you know what,

685
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,759
it's fair. Jonathan Brooks is two time acl terror that

686
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,759
sounds more fun than it is, but massively, massively talented

687
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,680
back that the team has not given up on. There's

688
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,640
a lot of potential equity that flows out there. I mean,

689
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,480
obviously what he did in college as well kind of

690
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,000
speaks for itself, and I think why people have like

691
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,880
high expectations, you know, over one hundred yards per game

692
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,160
in college, the average over two catches per game. And

693
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,079
the team also showed an ability that they were not

694
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,559
sold on Schuba Hubbard even though I bought into last year.

695
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:17,839
Oh it's going to be it. No, they brought in

696
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,200
Rico and the Rico roll with that for a while.

697
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,839
I mean, you're squinting your eyes because you don't believe that.

698
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,039
So I know where you're going with this. I buy

699
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,039
that narrative that I don't think that they had one

700
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:28,400
hundred percent sell on show.

701
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: And why didn't they go out and get somebody, dude.

702
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: Because they've got because Jonathan Brooks. That's exactly you just

703
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,079
answered the thing why people.

704
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: No, No, you just answered the thing. They do believe

705
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,480
in Cuba because they didn't go get anybody that. Maybe

706
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,400
they believe in Brooks too, but they didn't draft anybody,

707
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,119
they didn't sign anybody. It's it's Brooks and ETN. So

708
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,000
I think they do. I think they believe in both

709
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,119
of them. But I think they do believe in Cuba Hubbard.

710
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,799
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, to be fair, I think every I don't

711
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:55,559
think there's a single team out there that just has

712
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,240
one running back and they're good to go, Like you've

713
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,319
got to have a multitude of bacs. But I think

714
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,319
a they fill a level of comfort with Jonathan Brooks

715
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,200
coming back and his talent. That doesn't mean that they

716
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,039
don't believe that Chuba Hubbard is absolutely nothing. But they

717
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,880
literally straight away from Chuba Hubbard last year with Rico Dattall.

718
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,519
They let him roll with it. Then Rico kind of

719
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,759
started to fail and they brought Cuba back into the fold.

720
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,279
I guess what I'm going I guess this goes both ways.

721
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:19,039
Just you have to pick your side to it. Do

722
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,160
you believe a that they have enough comfort in Jonathan

723
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,240
Brooks that they think they can let him roll be

724
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,559
the back and maybe roll into that job like Rico did,

725
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,960
Or is it they feel just so good about Chewba

726
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,680
Hubbard they just didn't care about anybody else, like you tick,

727
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,759
whatever narrative you want. I think I lean on the

728
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:36,720
Jonathan brook side, so I buy him as a sleeper.

729
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,680
It sounds like you don't buy him as a sleeper

730
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,400
because you think this is all all Tuba all day.

731
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,839
Speaker 1: It's not that I think it's all Tuba all day,

732
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,200
but I do think that Cuba is the experience back here.

733
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,759
And last year he heard his calf October first. He

734
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,880
had a hard time recovering from that. And in the

735
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,599
middle of that we saw Rico go nuts with those

736
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,680
two insane games where he had over two hundred combined

737
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,839
yard He was crazy, right, So they gave ricos on

738
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,079
a hot streak. Let's give Rico more so. But they

739
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,880
also let Rico walk and you know, didn't bring him back,

740
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,159
probably because they believe in Jonathan Brooks. But I think

741
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,679
that also means, yeah, we still like Chewba Hubbard, and

742
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,800
let's not forget that Chewba Hubbard the year before when

743
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,679
everybody was riding him off. Twenty twenty four, the guy

744
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,159
had eleven hundred yards almost twelve hundred with ten scores.

745
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,599
He caught forty three balls for one hundred and seventy

746
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,840
one more yards. He had almost three hundred total touches.

747
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,960
It was two hundred and ninety three. So I do

748
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:34,039
think Brooks works more in than I would probably like.

749
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,519
I understand that. And if he's great, he's great. I

750
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,360
think he was really good coming out of college. But

751
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,000
what we've seen from Brooks is one really dominant year

752
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,719
in college and then two ACL injuries, right, and he

753
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,119
got that one in his dominant year in college. So

754
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,559
we just there's such a small sample size for Jonathan

755
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,559
Brooks zero in the NFL, and he's coming off to

756
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,000
ACL tears and fits and I con, you know, one

757
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,239
hundred rounds on Jonathan Brooks. Here it feels like on

758
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,119
the Dynasty Show, and he is diving deep. He's looking

759
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,280
into all of these doctor's opinions. They think that first

760
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480
ACL surgery wasn't done well enough.

761
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard, and that's.

762
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,639
Speaker 1: Why he had to have the second And I hope

763
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,440
that's the case, because that means it's probably less recovery.

764
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,320
There's probably a little more wiggle there than I thought

765
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,119
for Brooks. Brooks looks good in camp. I just I

766
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:26,760
think we're all forgetting that Chuba Hubbard is a pretty

767
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,599
good back, and I think it's going to it at

768
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,440
best be gross lot like that Seattle situation last year. Uh,

769
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,360
and worst case scenario is everybody's building up Brooks and

770
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,880
he's nothing in Cuba is the guy again, So I'll

771
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,599
be investing in Cuba because I feel like he drops

772
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,639
in every draft I do.

773
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, it's interesting. Last year Cuba Hubbard one hundred

774
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,719
and thirty four rush attempts and Rico Daddle had two

775
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,360
hundred and thirty six. The projections this year do have

776
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,719
Cuba going more, but it's only at two hundred two

777
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,920
hundred and eight, and they've got Jonathan Brooks around one fifty.

778
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,320
So if you do slide that in the other direction,

779
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,760
that's where it opens up some possibilities. I think the

780
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,320
most enticing thing, and why is if you have to

781
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,559
build narratives with sleepers though, Yeah, and then narrative is

782
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,920
can I find a player that is super super low

783
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,239
rank that has the high potential. And when you look

784
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,760
at like this list of guys, you know, korm is

785
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,480
very subjective. Bill Crosskey, I think starts it. I think

786
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:29,400
Jonathan Brooks is one of the most like.

787
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: He's the most popular running backs and easy click because

788
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,079
like the other guys you put on this list, like

789
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,000
Jonah Coleman, like there's two other backs in front of him.

790
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: Okay, k Tron Allen, there's two backs. There's all these

791
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,639
backs that are in front of everybody. Jonathan Brooks has

792
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:42,599
one stop and from that's why I also say I

793
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:44,800
still say I know your case and why you don't

794
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480
put Rashad White there. I don't think we're we're shot

795
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,719
White had his breakout, But is we're shot White a

796
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,400
sleeper this year? He's a sleeper?

797
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: He is he is?

798
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: If he's a sleeper, if he is worth more than

799
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,960
just the receptions he gets out of the backfield. And

800
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,280
that's the question we have to figure out. Is he

801
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,480
just Austin Eckler in this new offense or could Rashad

802
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,639
White start to get ten to twelve carries per game

803
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:07,800
in five to six catches and now he's just getting

804
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,159
you know, fifteen to eighteen touches per game in that

805
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,440
offense with Jade Daniels Is does that blow away where

806
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,519
he's being drafted. So I buy Jonathan Brooks. You don't,

807
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,400
Jonathan Coleman, Jonah, I'm sorry, Jonah Coleman, Allen Singleton, Claiborne,

808
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,960
you put Alan as your identified sleeper that you.

809
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,199
Speaker 3: Buy, I mean, Alan, I do buy.

810
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: But let me talk a little bit about dem and

811
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,800
Claiborne here, because he's buried in everything and he's not

812
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,360
a draftable guy in a standard league. But if your

813
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,480
benches are a little deeper, or you're playing a fourteen

814
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:41,360
to sixteen instead of a twelve, then Demon Claiborne. You

815
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,480
know we just talked about, Oh, there's two guys in front.

816
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,559
There are two guys front, Devin Claiborne. One of them

817
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,840
is Aaron Jones, who is ancient and gets hurt every

818
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,239
single year, and the other guy Shordan Mason, who in

819
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,480
my opinion, is a jag. And we saw the Vikings

820
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,719
have to run a little bit more last season because

821
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,599
the quarterback issues, which made the running issues as well

822
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,000
because of everyone's playing up in the pocket because McCarthy

823
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,599
can't throw the ball. Wentz is hurt and Max Prosmer

824
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,400
sucks right. So like there were issues every game of

825
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,039
the Vikings offense last year. It's why Justin Jefferson took

826
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,800
took such a huge dip as well. I think if

827
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,760
we get back to a little bit normal with Kyler

828
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,679
Murray right, and this offense is at least middle of

829
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,159
the pack, I think there's an opportunity for running backs

830
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,159
here because I went back and looked at the you know,

831
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,599
the when the running back has to face eight or

832
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,440
more men in the box. Right before last year, the

833
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:37,519
Vikings were bottom ten and under koc every single season.

834
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,760
So if dem and Claiborne has given that he has

835
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,880
so much wiggle that he's got, he reminds me a

836
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,920
little bit of Willie Parker. I don't you know, I

837
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,480
don't I know. We have a younger audience here, but

838
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,400
Willie Parker was like a straight line. But you were

839
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,239
about to ask me if I remember Willie p Well,

840
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,679
I know you remember Willy Parker, but most people, I

841
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,880
think may not remember Willy Parker specifically. You know, anybody

842
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,880
our age will you were you know of watching age

843
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,360
at Super Bowl forty. You definitely remember Willie Parker taking

844
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,840
out one to the house really long. So he's just

845
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,000
a burst guy, right, That's what Devin clay Board did

846
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,840
at Wake Forest. I think if he gets a little wiggle,

847
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960
he's gone and you have an injured guy and a

848
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:17,119
jag in front of him in my opinion, in Mason.

849
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,960
So this is a guy that I love to take

850
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,079
a stab at. K Tron Allen's kind of the same way.

851
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,320
You have a chance to earn this without anybody getting

852
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,559
hurt in front of you. He might just be better.

853
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,119
He has the all time Penn State rushing record, right,

854
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,400
he's really good back and he went late because he

855
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,119
didn't test very well. So Bucky didn't test for it

856
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:36,360
only either m broke out.

857
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: So the only slip pushback I have on this, and

858
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,159
maybe it's the new definition of sleeper, is it's like,

859
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,239
you know, you're saying these names and maybe they're.

860
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,079
Speaker 1: Late names to take a flyer on. These aren't guys

861
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:48,360
that you draft of.

862
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand that, but the problem is is

863
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,119
like I almost think like maybe the idea of a

864
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,760
sleeper now is the player you have to look in season,

865
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,719
because it's like I don't see a path where Devin

866
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,320
clay Born is going to observe Aaron Jones and Jordan

867
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,679
Mason early on in the season. Now, if things happen

868
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,679
Aaron Jones loves to get hurt, It's his favorite thing

869
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,239
on the planet. And then Claiborne gets run. It's like

870
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,679
get you get to be successful in the sleeper when

871
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:18,639
he's given an opportunity. But like in preseason, do you

872
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,079
want to put focus on players that really have no

873
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:25,400
opportunity on like taking significant touches to be worth while.

874
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: I think Claiborne could push Mason pretty quick, you know,

875
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,360
because I don't think Mason is anything.

876
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are people so divided on that. There are

877
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,199
people that are still hardcore Jordan Mason, Truthers.

878
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: They're different players, so you would use them in different scenarios, right,

879
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,440
But I just think I think Claiborne is.

880
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,599
Speaker 2: I love it. I love that you're doing that. I'm

881
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:48,400
just saying like it's a different version of what a

882
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,400
sleeper is. Like the guys like Coleman Allen Claiborne, to me,

883
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,360
are players that it's not day one. You have to

884
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,280
have a deep roster. You probably can't do it in

885
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,000
like best Balls and stuff like that unless you really

886
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,239
want it unless you really think, like you know, Aaron

887
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,039
Jones and Jordan Mason are gonna fall apart and you

888
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:05,920
want to have that back out of the year. It's

889
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,960
like the deeper league plays the big super flex leagues, Like,

890
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,880
if you can hold on to these guys on the bench,

891
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,960
it's great, but they might be players. It's like, put

892
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,800
a pin in this end season. You get two games in,

893
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,920
you see Jordan Mason lingering again. I'm sorry, Aaron Jones

894
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,679
lingering with injuries, Jordan Mason ineffective. Then you start to

895
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,280
activate this and being like, hey, listen, this guy starts

896
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,280
to get run because these guys are stinking it's good.

897
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,280
I like this version of a sleeper. I think that's great.

898
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,880
I'm not picking on it at all. I'd actually think

899
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,000
it's really slick because it's better than just being like

900
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,559
a Jonathan Brooks because every goddamn person suits.

901
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jonathan Brooks as a much easier path to

902
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,920
playing time for sure, And that's why it's not You

903
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,559
don't have to squint to see the upside.

904
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: And that's the draft target sleeper you're looking for, then

905
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,400
the speculator, but it's keep an eye on those guys.

906
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,679
Because maybe something happens to training camp. One of these

907
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,079
guys goes down and all of a sudden, you know,

908
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,079
Aaron Jones goes down and camp it's Jordan Mason and

909
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:57,199
Claiborne and then all of a sudden everything changes.

910
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm arguing against Brooks. I have the one spot blows here.

911
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,960
It's not like I'm killing him all right.

912
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: Wide receivers start with the breakouts, then go to the sleepers.

913
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,599
Your breakouts is a big list. I'm actually gonna do

914
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:11,639
it in halves here. You got Luther Burden at the top,

915
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,360
very very popular breakout. Colonel Tate I don't really think

916
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:17,480
qualifies for that because he's a rookie, but people are

917
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:21,039
drafting him. Marvin Harrison hasn't happened, people are looking for it.

918
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,239
Jordan Tyson, same thing, and Tate. I'm gonna kind of

919
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,960
exclude them just because they're rookies. You know, no season

920
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,440
has happened yet for a breakout. Parker Washington high in

921
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,079
that list, Ricky Piersoll, Quinton Johnston, and Josh Downs. Let's

922
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:39,719
stop there. That ranges from ECR twenty four to twenty

923
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,800
eight six. Wide receivers very popular put on the breakout range.

924
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:45,800
I want to talk about a couple of these guys

925
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,639
and bugs. Maybe this is going to be a little negative.

926
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,400
I don't think I'm on the Luther Burden train this year.

927
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,639
I think a lot of people are assuming. I think

928
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:58,039
he's a super talented wide receiver, no doubt about that.

929
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,039
Don't want to take that away, but I mean, dude,

930
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,400
third and yards per route run at two point sixty

931
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,719
eight this year like awesome stuff. But I don't know

932
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,599
the offense is going to move the ball in a

933
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,599
way that is gonna make him be this dominant number one.

934
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,280
I don't roma Dunza has got the injury stuff. You're

935
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,079
a big Roman. Don say guy Colson Lovelin's projections. I

936
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,519
mean I just had a show with Jake who said

937
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:24,639
his projections have Colson Loveland is a number one tight

938
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,800
end this year. Loveland's gonna get gonna get touches. Romadunza

939
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,880
is not out of this offense. They've got healthy running backs.

940
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,239
You've got a quarterback in Caleb Williams that doesn't want

941
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,519
to make the big mistakes. Throws the ball, you know,

942
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,440
to the sidelines more than anybody. It's making efficient plays,

943
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,599
Like I think Luther Burden is a good receiver, but

944
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,400
I'm not in the camp that Luthor Burden is going

945
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,480
to take this next huge step up that is going

946
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,119
to make him be a wide receiver one in the NFL.

947
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,239
I mean, even in those games, those last four games

948
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,639
or whatever, I think it was still like you, twelve

949
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,599
NCY points per game. I'm just I'm I'm I'm kind

950
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,199
of against it. I'm lower than consensus on Luther Burden.

951
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,599
He's projected seventy two catches, nine point fifty seven five

952
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,119
point seven touchdowns this year, and I just think that's

953
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,880
like adequately priced. So I'm not here for this huge,

954
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,360
massive Luther burdon breakout. But are you so I'm selling?

955
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: Uh?

956
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I am.

957
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm the most vocal Luther Burden

958
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,199
person in the world. I think that that is our

959
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,000
buddy bat Fitz Morris is the most vocal Luthor Burden guy.

960
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:33,400
I do think that he has a chance to score

961
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,039
a lot of touchdowns here, and this is a guy

962
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:38,880
that's very, very good with the ball in his hands.

963
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,880
I think we're going to see more screens towards him.

964
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,719
I think we're going to see reverses and trick plays

965
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,760
run with him as well, specifically near the goal line.

966
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,400
I think they're going to use them a lot. So

967
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:51,960
I am excited for Luther Burden. He's an elite level

968
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,519
athlete and I think he's going to fit really well here.

969
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:58,000
But I absolutely see your point, because you know, I

970
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,599
think there's being a case made for each one of

971
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,840
these pass catchers for the Bears. You're either Camp Burden,

972
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,000
you Camp Loveland, you Camp Roma. Dune say, I think

973
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,880
it goes everyone is. Almost almost everybody's Camp Loveland. I

974
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,039
think there's a lot of people that like Burden more

975
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,599
and Rome is kind of I have these guys separating

976
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,000
by five spots. I have Burden at twenty, I have

977
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:23,199
Rome at twenty five. I just think that any of

978
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,840
them could pop off and have a true, like way

979
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,039
more valuable season than they were being drafted. I just

980
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,760
don't know which one is the guy. So I'm kind

981
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,760
of lukewarm on everybody. I'm a little more positive on

982
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,920
on Burden than other people are. I'd say I'm probably

983
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,559
a little more negative on Loveland than people are, but

984
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,599
I'm pretty in line with the general thoughts here.

985
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 2: So one thing I wanted to throw out that this

986
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,880
is really stuck with me. I've had this one sticking

987
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,960
with me for a little bit. I really buy this

988
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,320
what and Deebro, by the way, is playing this really

989
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,280
good piece of like positive Luther Burden. But this in

990
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,199
the five games where he had over fifty percent snap

991
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,840
percentage last year, the average over sixty yards, which was good.

992
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,039
It's where you get some of those crazy metrics like

993
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,800
you know, almost two and a half yards per route run.

994
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,280
He had a decent like first read share, you know,

995
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,559
he was getting first downs and stuff. He only had

996
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,960
an overall fifteen and a half percent target share. And

997
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,159
that's the thing that I'm kind of like sitting with.

998
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,239
The upside maybe is like the same upside we look

999
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,280
at like an Alec Pierce, I think Burden like when

1000
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,840
you get it in his hands, he's gone. He's a playmaker.

1001
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,599
He can maybe Terry McLaurin is a better comp to

1002
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:38,119
where I'm thinking he is a host where he makes

1003
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,880
these big plays. There's some shutouts in here because Roma

1004
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,599
Dunda is going to dominate targets. DeAndre Swift gets targets

1005
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,840
out of the backfield. Colson Lovelin is going to be

1006
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,760
a red zone guy that I think I'm I'm associating

1007
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,760
more of a Terry McLaurin to him. So when he

1008
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,679
is a wide receiver twenty four, you've got him at

1009
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,760
twenty Like, that's the range I think it is.

1010
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: I just don't wide receiver to a lower end.

1011
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah for him, For me to be a breakout, I

1012
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,719
gotta be like, what's the path where he's like he

1013
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,000
cracks the top twelve and I'm I don't want to

1014
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:08,880
say that it's not gonna happen, but there's a lot

1015
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,800
of mouths defeat in that offense and I don't see

1016
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,800
it happen. That's why I'm sell on that one.

1017
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

1018
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:16,079
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison is always a fun conversation. He's in there

1019
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:17,360
at thirty two, as I mentioned. But I want to

1020
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,679
talk about Parker Washington because I struggle with this one.

1021
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: Really, I'll fix it, okay.

1022
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: Parker Washington is thirty nine on ECR. There's a three

1023
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,079
wide receiver system, which I really struggle with. Brian Thomas.

1024
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,440
The whole clicking, you know, always clicking with driver Lawrence's

1025
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,480
offseason speak kind of gets in my head. But there

1026
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,239
is this feature side of what Parker Washington in this

1027
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,280
type of offense can and will be, and he is

1028
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,039
projected very very high in the rankings. And you tell me,

1029
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,280
are you a buy or sell on the Parker Washington

1030
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,360
breakout this year and being the number one Jags wide receiver.

1031
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell on the number one jagsparte receiver pretty

1032
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,199
heartily with a bullet right, as I like to say

1033
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,079
from our guy Thor. But look what did the Jaguars

1034
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,119
do in the draft. Who was their first pick? You

1035
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,960
remember they went with Nate Porcher, the tight end, the

1036
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:12,719
blocking tight end out of A and M. They drafted

1037
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,079
the monster tight end Tannerkozi All out of Houston a

1038
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,039
couple rounds after that in the fifth there, and they

1039
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,079
signed Brenton Strange to a big extension. This team is

1040
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:27,000
going to copycat a lot of what the Rams did

1041
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:31,719
last year, using a lot of thirteen personnel twelve personnel,

1042
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,400
a lot of heavy tight end sets, which means we're

1043
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,920
taking wide receivers off the field to do this right.

1044
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,719
It could be a nice bonus for Tutin or c

1045
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,199
Rod or whoever gets the running back job. We just

1046
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,239
don't know who that is, right. I think we're gonna

1047
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840
see tight ends on the field more, which means we're

1048
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,039
gonna be going down to one wide receiver. And they've

1049
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,880
said in thirteen they want to use Brian Thomas. Right

1050
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,679
that has been I don't think Brian Thomas gets every

1051
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,599
single snap out of thirteen, but I think he's going

1052
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,199
to get the majority of him tventy five percent. Maybe

1053
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,079
Parker Washington. They said they're gonna move around. Parker Washington

1054
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,519
had an excellent year last year. If he got traded

1055
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:12,320
to Washington, to the freaking Moon, I would put Parker Washington.

1056
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:17,280
But the Jaguars have Brian Thomas, they have they signed

1057
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,480
to Kobe Myers to an extension after they signed him,

1058
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,519
and Travis Hunter is still going to play on the

1059
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:25,440
offensive side. And you know, I think Brian Thomas is

1060
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,079
probably still a little bit better than Parker Washington. If

1061
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:30,039
you want to argue that, I'm fine with it. But

1062
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:32,000
I think Travis Hunter could easily be the best wide

1063
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:35,119
receiver on this team. I think they're gonna play him

1064
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,400
more at corner, but who the hell knows. They're crazy

1065
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,199
with him. So I just I don't like this situation

1066
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,880
at all. I will not be the guy rostering Parker Washington,

1067
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,760
because right now he's at a really decent price as

1068
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,840
a high end wide receiver.

1069
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,119
Speaker 2: Four.

1070
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,199
Speaker 1: There's just no way I think in drafts by the

1071
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,320
time we get there, he is going to be going

1072
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,920
at that cost. I think he's gonna cost you a

1073
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,800
wide receiver three and I'm not. I'm not gonna count

1074
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,199
on him, That's all I just am. I don't want

1075
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,199
to count Jack Wires wide receivers at all.

1076
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:02,519
Speaker 3: Really.

1077
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:08,599
Speaker 2: Week ten on Parker Washington was the twelfth highest scoring

1078
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,880
wide receiver in the NFL and half PPR. He was

1079
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,719
number twelve in scoring for a full second half of

1080
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,239
the season. That's what screws me up. It wasn't even

1081
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,840
necessarily inflated to like one or two. I mean he

1082
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,320
had two duds in there, but he had some strong

1083
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,440
outing sixteen points, fifteen points, twenty three points, fifteen seventeen

1084
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,519
into the year, really strong. He is a target monster.

1085
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:35,239
He's gonna get his targets. He finished the year super strong.

1086
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,119
That's something we want to be beneficial. We give so

1087
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:41,639
many we have so many taste case tests. Jesus, like

1088
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,719
Luther Burton finishing you're strong, you have these strong year

1089
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,440
ends and then you're like, oh well this guy's gonna

1090
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,000
be great. Parker Washington's not giving that benefit of the doubt.

1091
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,119
Why I struggle with it, though, is exactly what you

1092
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,239
said Travis Hunter is in there. There's a four wide

1093
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,159
receiver set potential. Brian Thomas making that step back not

1094
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,440
healthy new connections. I mean Trevor Lawrence saying, hey, we

1095
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,039
weren't on the same line. I think Parker Washington is

1096
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,519
going to be good. I think there's a chance Parker

1097
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:08,519
Washington could be similar to those same comps people give of,

1098
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,960
like the Chris Godwin in the offense, like we can

1099
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000
get that range, but it is hard to decipher because

1100
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,639
there are four wide receivers for them to eat.

1101
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: And I wish it would have but I wanted them

1102
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,239
to trade Brian Thomas so bad. It would have made

1103
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,039
things much easier here. Like trade Brian Thomas, tell us

1104
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,880
you're sticking Travis Hunter on defense and now Parker Washington

1105
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,239
Jacoby Myers to the moon. I think they would work

1106
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,360
well together. You can move Myers outside, Washington, play the slot.

1107
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: Let's go.

1108
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,559
Speaker 2: I am not with you in the destruction of Parker Washington.

1109
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,480
You have him in the fifties of your rank, so

1110
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,199
you hate him. I don't think that's correct. But my

1111
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,320
problem with this is, like I think he's kind of

1112
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,559
adequate if he's in like the mid thirties. Like, I mean,

1113
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:51,840
I guess you didn't really like that, but like, is

1114
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,000
it horrible taking the jump on Parker Washington over Michael

1115
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,199
Pittman or or Chris Godwin or Jacoby Myers or I mean,

1116
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,760
these are the guys in similar ranges. I think like

1117
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:04,920
he's a baseline I probably little bit better in full

1118
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,480
PPR for being honest, but half PPR, I think he

1119
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:09,960
can be a wide receiver three to four. So, but

1120
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,320
I just don't know where the upside is because I

1121
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,599
don't see how he becomes the main guy dominantly over

1122
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:18,719
the rest of those guys, even though that can be

1123
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,239
a pass heavy offense. I'm gonna sell this as well.

1124
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,719
I'm kind of with you. I did all that to

1125
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,559
be a little bit more points with you. Here's another

1126
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,519
one similar to that situation. Very popular name is Ricky Piersaw.

1127
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,559
Ricky Piersaw comes in an ECR forty six. When the

1128
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,199
ball gets in his hands, he runs these great routes

1129
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,559
he does. He is big playmaker, but there are a

1130
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:42,079
lot of mouths to feat in San Francisco. Now you've

1131
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,639
got Mike Evans, You've got I know, Christian Kirk laughably's

1132
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:48,159
in there, but that's not even counting Christian McCaffrey and

1133
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:52,320
the returning George Kittle. Is Ricky Pearsall actually ready for

1134
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,079
a breakout? Are you buying or selling?

1135
00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:00,639
Speaker 1: I mean, Ricky Piersoll so tough for me because you know,

1136
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,440
obviously missed the time after getting shot is rookie season,

1137
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,480
but last year it was more of the knee injury

1138
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,800
that bothered him and dogged him all year. Last year

1139
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,320
they went out and they add Mike Evans as well.

1140
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,280
You know, Mike Evans is going to be the number one.

1141
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,280
So Ricky Pearsall I think has a small window to

1142
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,320
become dependable.

1143
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 3: Right.

1144
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: It's however long George Kittle's out, that is your your

1145
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,800
window to become dependable, because other than that, Christian McCaffrey's

1146
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,760
getting the ball, Mike Evans getting the ball, George Kittle's

1147
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,599
getting the ball. So your fourth on the pecking order,

1148
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:34,559
I think most games, unless you do something really impressive

1149
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,239
with Mike Evans on the field and Christian McCaffrey on

1150
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,119
the field and Kittle miss him, so I want to

1151
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:42,679
buy in. I would rather have Ricky Pearsall than Parker Washington.

1152
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,119
I'll say that, but I don't know that. I'm I'm

1153
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:48,400
not making the reach for him. I'm a little higher

1154
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,000
than ECR, so I'm a little more positive, but I'm

1155
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:54,440
not making a crazy reach for Ricky Pearsall. So I'd

1156
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,239
say I'm lukewarm.

1157
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: I think Ricky Pearsall to be a real breakout has

1158
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,000
to take a big jump in his value, and I

1159
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:03,639
and I also don't see the path. I think he

1160
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:06,199
could play the Juwan Jennings in this offense. There could

1161
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,360
be a couple of games where everyone's like I told

1162
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,159
you so here it is. But guess what. Mike Evans

1163
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:13,079
is going to dominate in the red zone when Kittle

1164
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:18,199
is back, He's gonna dominate Christian caffrey dominates McCaffrey if

1165
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,599
he averages sixty yards per game, I would be pleasantly

1166
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:23,000
surprised if he can get into that range. I think

1167
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:25,239
it's it's a little bit of a pipe dream because

1168
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,559
he's got some injury prone stuff. I don't buy it.

1169
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:29,639
I'm a San Francisco for aner fan. I don't buy

1170
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,360
that the breakout is quite here because I think there

1171
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,039
are way too many offensive uses. One more breakout amongst

1172
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,639
this group, Josh Downs. There's no more Michael Pittman. There's

1173
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:41,840
a little bit of a question on Alec Pierce. Maybe

1174
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,400
the biggest question is on Daniel Jones. I'm gonna just

1175
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,199
set the table here that I am a bye on

1176
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,039
this and I'm I'm having a difficult time with myself,

1177
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,199
Bogs because real.

1178
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: Quick, real quick, can I give you some news that

1179
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,639
has happened over the last couple days. It hasn't happened yet,

1180
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,840
but the Colts have talked about maybe potential adding Keenan Allen.

1181
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that one that's flocking out there. I

1182
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,000
wouldn't love it. It hasn't happened yet, so I'm not

1183
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,280
going to put that. I'm not going to let that

1184
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:12,199
dictate a rank or anything like that. I think maybe

1185
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:16,519
more concerned about Daniel Jones being super healthy. But if

1186
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,039
if this often stays how it is, I buy Alec

1187
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,639
Peers and I buy Josh Downs. I think Josh Downs

1188
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,480
is going to get a bunch of checkdown receptions. The

1189
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,400
targets are going to be through the roof He's gonna

1190
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,360
be great in PPR. I think Alec Pierce is a star,

1191
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,559
and I'm a little bit worried about the early on stuff.

1192
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,639
But if not, I mean nobody out there was higher

1193
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:36,400
a dot higher.

1194
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: He was working with Philip Rivers, So yeah, if you

1195
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,000
can make it work with Philip Rivers, I think you

1196
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:42,760
can make it work.

1197
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,079
Speaker 2: And my point to that is, like, it is such

1198
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:48,480
a good compliment of Tyler Warren and Josh Downs down

1199
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,559
the middle, Alec Pierce, deep Daniel Jones having the line

1200
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,480
to be able to hold him a great running game.

1201
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:55,960
I like all of it, and I think Josh downs

1202
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:59,000
to the moon. So yeah, I do buy the breakout

1203
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,719
is there if they bring into Stephan Diggs or Keenan Allen,

1204
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,440
that's going to screw things up and it's going to

1205
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,800
put him back into a situation like last year, And

1206
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,760
I think that plays a little bit more for the

1207
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,239
deep threat option. But as it's built right now, I'm

1208
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,760
a buyer of Josh Down's breakdown.

1209
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: How about you, I'm luke warm.

1210
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: Now, there was some recent stuff that came out that said, hey,

1211
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,239
we're gonna move him around. He's not just going to

1212
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,920
play the slot positive news. I did move him up

1213
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:26,679
in my most recent update, but my concern is that

1214
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,480
he's not great with the ball in his hands. He's

1215
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:32,719
not a mistackles forced guy. He's not going to be

1216
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,760
running over a lot of people. He's a small frame guy.

1217
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,360
He's kind of a grab it and get the yards

1218
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,599
I can and getting tackled by the first guy type

1219
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,519
of dude. So I don't think that doesn't provide a

1220
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:44,440
lot of touchdowns either. You have to be you have

1221
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,559
to have end zone targets if you're gonna play like that.

1222
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:52,440
So Tyler Warren is also the an over the middle guy. Now,

1223
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,760
Tyler Warren can do anything. They can move him anywhere

1224
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,079
as well. So and we know Alec Pearce is going

1225
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,239
to have a big role, but the bread winner for.

1226
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: This offense is obviously JT as long as he's healthy.

1227
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: So I am I feel like there should be a

1228
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,960
step up, but I would not call it a breakout.

1229
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,679
So I don't think Josh Downs is the sleeper. I

1230
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,679
think he's going where he should go. There's definitely upside there.

1231
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,599
There's more downside than people are giving credit to as well,

1232
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:19,760
So I'm probably out on Josh Downs.

1233
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:25,039
Speaker 2: Popular sleepers. You've got Trey Tucker, Jalen Naylor, Antonio Williams,

1234
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:29,119
with the commanders, Denzel Boston. I'm gonna again, I'm gonna

1235
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:30,679
kind of take out these rookies in general.

1236
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:31,719
Speaker 3: You've got sure.

1237
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeh ad Ni Mitchell, Malik Washington, Jalen McMillan, Travis Hunter,

1238
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,599
Ryan flornoy uh and Isaac Tesla. I think to the

1239
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,159
most interesting one were at the top to talk about

1240
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:51,800
Antonio Williams. I think it's fascinating. Uh if the commander, Yeah,

1241
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:52,880
that's right.

1242
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,679
Speaker 1: Well, but let's talk about him because he is he's

1243
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:57,039
the one guy that could be the number two in

1244
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:57,599
his offense.

1245
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really the main thing. Why the because

1246
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:03,159
it's not a true breakout, But I think sleeper is

1247
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:05,440
more appropriate for rookies sleep break. Yes, by the way,

1248
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,320
so I could have not deleted those guys. I think

1249
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,800
sleeper works because if they bring in Stephan Diggs this route,

1250
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,760
this doesn't destroy it, but it kind of ruins it.

1251
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,840
They're clearly not bringing an Ayuk because he is a

1252
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,519
basket case. And right now Antonio Williams is aligned to

1253
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:20,000
be a guy that can be the number two in

1254
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,599
this offense. You laid it out, so I mean, I

1255
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,079
don't really you kind of wax on it. That's why

1256
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,000
I think like he is such a great pick right now,

1257
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,320
but it could be ruined if they bring in a

1258
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,599
guy like Stefan Diggs.

1259
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: I think that's what they're gonna do too.

1260
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you can depend on Chiga con quote

1261
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,360
to be your number two target guy right because right

1262
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,079
now it is Terry McLaurin obviously Rashad White in this offense,

1263
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:44,880
and he can play out a wide receiver too if

1264
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,039
you need him, which is that's just nice for Rashad White.

1265
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:50,239
It's not really good for their offense or anybody else.

1266
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:52,960
But I think you have to bring in Digs and

1267
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,440
that's gonna drop Antonio Williams to the third by a

1268
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:59,880
large margin. But if they don't do it, somebody needs

1269
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,840
to catch the ball here outside of t Mac and

1270
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,039
Rashad White, I think it's probably Chig as their number

1271
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,320
two target guy. But Antonio Williams has a real opportunity

1272
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,039
and they said they have said he's looked strong in camp.

1273
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,599
He's a very hard worker. I'm I'm pretty excited. He's

1274
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,559
a big time recruit as well. He was one of

1275
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:20,920
the biggest recruits of Clemson ever had coming in, so

1276
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:24,960
I do. He's had injury issues, so there's that. But football,

1277
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,880
they all have injury issues. So I think Antonio Williams

1278
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,119
is a real opportunity as it stands right now. But

1279
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:34,599
of course an opportunity gets buried if they do sign someone.

1280
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:36,840
And I don't know of a team more likely to

1281
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,280
sign a wide receiver than the Commanders.

1282
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: I cannot quit it, Boggs. I am back in on

1283
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,239
the at night Mitchell Sleeper. I did it last year.

1284
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:46,760
It didn't work. I gotta be honest with you. I'm

1285
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,599
kind of back back again. He's a big playmaker when

1286
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:52,480
you get the ball in his hands. Unfortunately, I was

1287
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,519
looking at like routes run. I'd really love for him

1288
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,719
to start having a compliment of something else. Last year

1289
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,360
he ran two routes, dude, go and curl. That was

1290
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,719
like it. He was like, predominantly go routes and then

1291
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,639
curl him up. Gino Smith.

1292
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,679
Speaker 3: You forgot about the fumble at the gold line Rounte

1293
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:10,199
that he ran for.

1294
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:13,559
Speaker 2: That's all of that too. Garrett Wilson obviously one of

1295
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:15,679
the leaders in like team target share. He's going to

1296
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:17,800
get tons and tons of targets, but Gino Smith has

1297
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,760
the potential to be able to spread the ball around

1298
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,280
at Ni. Mitchell is a guy that can make some

1299
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,920
big plays. Can I think he's a sleeper in that

1300
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,960
he could be relevant this year. He could end up

1301
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,639
being like an Alec Pierce type where it's not a

1302
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:33,960
dominant amount of receptions necessarily, but there could be some

1303
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:36,400
big plays. He's got to get the drop issues out.

1304
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:38,840
I'm just still kind of a buyer in deeper leagues

1305
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,960
on Adam Mitchell.

1306
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,559
Speaker 1: His problem is they drafted Omar Cooper as well, right, Yeah,

1307
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,800
so like there's there's a first round wide receiver that

1308
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,559
is going to probably command some targets. And I think

1309
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,639
Omar Cooper specifically is going to be good in garbage

1310
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:57,280
time because he's that short guy, right, He's going to

1311
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,599
be the short yardage guy. He's the Debo Emuel archetype

1312
01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:04,000
of a player where you throw it to him. He

1313
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:05,920
is going to make a lot of guys miss and

1314
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:08,800
pick up yards and chunks and he's going to run

1315
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,519
short routes. His A dot's going to be low for

1316
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,480
a guy with you know, not good vision or accuracy. Now,

1317
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:17,400
in Genel Smith, so I think a lot of that

1318
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,320
garbage sign specifically when the Jets are getting the brains

1319
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,599
kicked in at the end of games, I think that's

1320
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:24,119
going to go to Omar Cooper, which is going to

1321
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,599
eat an ad Nin Mitchell. I think Mitchell is going

1322
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,000
to have to provide his touchdowns. I just don't know

1323
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,159
that those come from the Jets, so I'm probably out

1324
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:31,360
on that.

1325
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: And I I mentioned Lake Washington McMillan hunter Flornoy is

1326
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,800
a very popular one. Ryan Florinoy with the Dallas Cowboys

1327
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,360
definitely got some run when CD was out. He looks

1328
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,159
like he's aligned to be the three wide receiver. They

1329
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,079
want to run more three wide receiver sets. I think

1330
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:51,079
the sleeperness to him aligns if you get Lamb out again.

1331
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:53,840
If one of these wide receivers is out, it's I'm

1332
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,280
going to be inserting any into my lineups, and I'm

1333
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,280
going to have him as a starter wide receiver three.

1334
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,119
If one of them's out, I think you can still

1335
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:05,119
get some productions as a three though by yourself. Florinoy

1336
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:05,760
is a sleeper.

1337
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,679
Speaker 1: I'll buy him as a sleeper. I think you could

1338
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:11,840
put him in Tesla in that same type of a

1339
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,880
bucket where it'sa and you probably make that. You make

1340
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:22,039
these guys pickups instead of ads unless your benches.

1341
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: Are real deep.

1342
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: But you know, Floroy is getting a ton of buzz

1343
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:28,400
out of Cowboys camp right now, which just entrenches him

1344
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,440
as that number three, which is a great spot to

1345
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,000
be with Dak and either Pickens or Lamb, either one

1346
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:35,400
of those guys gets hurt, you have another guy taking

1347
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,440
a number one. On the other side, you have a

1348
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,519
lot of targets their pass heavy offense, and Tesla kind

1349
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:43,760
of the same way. I think Tesla probably has more

1350
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,239
like regular game if everybody's healthy upside than Florinoy does

1351
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,280
because he can make those acrobatic catches in the end zone.

1352
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,559
He did it a bunch last year. It's another reason

1353
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:56,440
why I don't really care for Laporta. I'm not as

1354
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,599
high on Jamison Williams as other people are as well,

1355
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,000
because it do you think the ball gets a little

1356
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,119
bit spread around, And we know a manra is mouth

1357
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:07,199
number one gives his mouth number two, so all these

1358
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,960
dudes are playing for three. So I just think the

1359
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,039
other sleepers that I like that are just absolutely buried.

1360
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:15,920
I want to just mention real quick at wide receiver

1361
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:19,159
Chris Bell coming off an ACL entry at Louisville, so

1362
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:20,840
he's going to be buried. He wasn't even the first

1363
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,920
wide receiver with the Dolphins drafted, but I think he's

1364
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,039
the most talented. You oh, the guy I kind of

1365
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,320
like Jack Besh on a bounce back with a more

1366
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,679
accurate white quarterback in Fernando Mendoza probably playing a lot

1367
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:35,360
of the slot Tucker Naylor or Besh. One of those

1368
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,639
guys is going to jump up. But I'm just these

1369
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:39,360
are deep sleepers.

1370
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: You want to hear a sick one that I'm in?

1371
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:42,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love it.

1372
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:46,119
Speaker 2: Let's hear a sick O one, Tank dell back into

1373
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,519
I know it's a stick O one. Yeah, I think

1374
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:49,440
I think I'm there.

1375
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,159
Speaker 3: Obviously think Jalen Knowle's better, though you don't like Jalen Nole.

1376
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: No, There's been a lot of stuff. There's a really

1377
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,360
funny interaction that happened. I forget who the analyst was,

1378
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,599
but they posted out there like nol is the number

1379
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,079
two or no Higgins skimbt two and Nole's a three

1380
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,599
and Tank dell Over quoted like you know, quote tweeted

1381
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,800
the eyes and whatever, and I know it makes it sick.

1382
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,800
And I think Knowle's a good receive. I like Higgins.

1383
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,480
I like Higgins down the middle is a good as

1384
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:16,760
a maybe even in some of that deeper play, Knowles's

1385
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,440
was really interesting in the red zone. But I do think,

1386
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:23,320
like if you take the injury out for a second,

1387
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,119
because I think the immediate thing is to be like, well,

1388
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:27,559
you know, there's just injuries and blah blah blah. I

1389
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:30,760
think that's a super talented guy. Yeah, in twenty twenty

1390
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,719
four fifteen games. Played eight of those games he had

1391
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,599
five or more targets. He made big plays. He can

1392
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:39,920
be a touchdown guy. He can spread the field. CJ.

1393
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:43,800
Stroud absolutely loves him, and that's the other like dominating thing.

1394
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,039
When he was hurt. He's wearing shirts of him out there,

1395
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:48,960
like these guys are like best friends. And I just

1396
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,760
think if Tank is healthy, he's starting to There are

1397
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,840
some I think it's a big question. He was in

1398
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,960
some of those early camp things before training camp started

1399
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,800
looking good, running routes. He's out there, he could have

1400
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,480
his he's in front of him. He has moved down

1401
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,840
the depth chart. I think it is too early to

1402
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,360
call him off. It have to be a deep league play.

1403
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,800
Maybe training camp make this change a little bit, but

1404
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,679
it is tough because Higgins and Noel are both really

1405
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:14,800
good wide receivers. I just think it's too crazy to

1406
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,679
think that, you know, you're not going to see Tank

1407
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:18,840
Dell in some of this year.

1408
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,239
Speaker 3: I love Tank Dell.

1409
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,559
Speaker 1: He's such an outstanding route runner, kind of like a

1410
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,840
mini Tyreek Hill, and Tyreek Hill is pretty many, you

1411
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,079
know what I mean. I think the problem and you

1412
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:34,079
don't watch the injuries, but that was one of the

1413
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:35,360
worst leg snaps I've ever seen.

1414
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but go back and watch the OTAs, watch thet

1415
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,639
He's actually moving. It's not like you know, like Alec

1416
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:45,880
Pierce right now in Ota better be moving.

1417
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:48,719
Speaker 1: He missed all of twenty twenty five because he got

1418
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,400
hurt at the end of twenty twenty four.

1419
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: I know. And that's why, like I'm I'm just putting

1420
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,559
a pin in it that I think like he might

1421
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:56,199
be a sleeper this year because he doesn't.

1422
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,519
Speaker 1: Think there's any difference between him and Jack Besh. That's

1423
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:01,440
the same dart throw, right, That's why Dark you like

1424
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:03,000
and Houston is a much.

1425
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: Better offense than the Raiders.

1426
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: So you know what, I don't I love the take

1427
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:10,840
because you have to, especially in a deep league, you

1428
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,079
gotta take a dart throw somewhere.

1429
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 3: That's that's the dart throws exactly.

1430
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:18,159
Speaker 2: Let's jump over to the quarterbacks, Quarterback, breakouts, quarterbacks, sleepers,

1431
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:21,440
a little bit more conversation. Potentially in the breakouts, though

1432
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,880
you know you can always adjust. Quarterbacks might be the

1433
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,599
one position where you can start to kind of adjust

1434
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,480
because there's less guys and you can be like, hey,

1435
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,840
the you know, a top ten player at the position

1436
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,679
actually can be a sleeper. So there's some conversation. But

1437
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,400
the it's actually funny because it's like the list we

1438
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,679
have here is actually a little bit more like sleepers

1439
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:41,360
and deep sleepers than it is like breakouts and sleepers,

1440
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,239
because all of these quarterbacks, these first group are going

1441
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,199
to talk about, are outside the top twenty. So whether

1442
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,000
we are sleeping on them or they can break through

1443
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:52,039
into being a top quarterback. The three probably the most

1444
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:56,760
popular names that aren't a rookie are Tyler Shuck, who

1445
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,519
is ECR twentieth at quarterback last season averaging almost fifteen

1446
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:04,480
points per game, really strong into the season twenty three

1447
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:08,239
hundred yards and eleven games. Malik Willis number two he

1448
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,079
is ECR Quarterback twenty one, moves over to Miami, very

1449
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:17,639
efficient in short periods of time, huge runner, horrifically bad

1450
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:21,599
team around. And then number three cam Ward cam Ward

1451
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,400
ECR twenty four, gets some more weapons, all the talent

1452
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,679
in the world. Can they mesh together? And is there

1453
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:31,039
an offensive piece together? You also wrote for Nanda mendoz

1454
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:33,559
In here rookie kind of maybe against the grain a

1455
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:37,199
little bit if this is like the breakout potential. But

1456
01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:39,920
what do you think here, Tyler Schuck, Malik Willis, cam Ward.

1457
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:42,360
I highlighted Malik Willis and cam Woard because they gotta

1458
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,320
be honest with the bogs. If I am, and this

1459
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,239
might be uncrazy, but it's like, if I am banking

1460
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,679
on one of these guys for a sleeper, I'm making

1461
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,760
them Malik Willis, like, I like what Tyler Shuck did.

1462
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,039
I like the weapons. I mean chrysal he got the

1463
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:58,039
ball to chrysal Lave. I like them having Etian. I

1464
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:00,000
really shouldn't. I don't want this to sound negative because

1465
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:02,360
I think they've got tight ends. You know. Jordan Dyson

1466
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:05,639
Tyson is great in there. I like the running backs,

1467
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:08,840
I like the grouping in there, but Malik Willis has

1468
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,920
a little bit of that like Kyler Murray in it,

1469
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,360
where it's like they look under ranked, but you know,

1470
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,880
if they're performing at the level of just starting and playing,

1471
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:18,600
it's gonna be hard for them to not be like

1472
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,359
a top twelve quarterback every single week. Because Milik Wills

1473
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,439
is probably gonna be running for his life, They're probably

1474
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,239
gonna have a lot of offensive series. It'll probably be

1475
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:29,000
if Devon ah Han is going to be a successful

1476
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,960
as people think and still involved in the passing game,

1477
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:32,600
there's gonna be a lot of yak and a lot

1478
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,079
of throws down low, and Milik Willis is going to

1479
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:36,840
have to do it a lot with his feet, so

1480
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,600
like by virtue of that, maybe it's going to be

1481
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,399
a disaster, but he's kind of a relatively efficient quarterback

1482
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,239
not doing crazy stuff, and you don't have options to

1483
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,279
do crazy stuff with that. I think Malik Willis is

1484
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,479
even if it's like a buck eighty one touchdown, he's

1485
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,560
probably going to be running for fifty sixty yards every

1486
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,680
single game, and it's gonna have rushing upside So for me,

1487
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,399
even though Tyler Schucker think is a much safer option

1488
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,199
in the breakout world, Malik Willis is my guy.

1489
01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:04,279
Speaker 1: I mean, one hundred percent agreed, and I think I

1490
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,720
don't have too much to add to what you just said.

1491
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,079
It is the rushing upside. That's why we want Malik Willis, right,

1492
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:12,600
and they're going to be down His wide receiver corps

1493
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,479
is not great right now. They're going to have to

1494
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,479
parse through that and see who is going to stand

1495
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,479
out above the rest. But we're going to see a

1496
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,800
lot of running him. Malik Willis at Liberty, and yes,

1497
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,119
Liberty is a small school, it's a lower level all

1498
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:29,479
of that stuff. Liberty Liberty he ran for nine hundred

1499
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,520
and forty four yards as a junior and eight hundred

1500
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,640
ninety one yards as a senior, with fourteen twenty seven

1501
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,199
rushing touchdowns over those two seasons. So you know, and

1502
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:41,760
he was recruited to Auburn, just couldn't crack the starting lineup,

1503
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,000
transfer to Liberty and wound up starting for two years

1504
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,399
and then got drafted right, so he sat behind Jordan

1505
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,039
Love for a couple of seasons. I think he looked

1506
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:53,239
good in those starting spots.

1507
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 3: As well.

1508
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,239
Speaker 1: So yes, I know that people are concerned about the

1509
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:01,880
lack of pretty much everything for the Dolphins. I mean,

1510
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,399
time of possession is gonna be bad because the defense

1511
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,319
is bad. They're gonna get run on. Milake Willis is

1512
01:10:07,319 --> 01:10:10,399
gonna have to He's probably gonna throw some picks at

1513
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,439
the end of games because you know, they're just trying

1514
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,079
to come back and things like that. So it may

1515
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:17,319
not look perfect, but I think he's gonna have a

1516
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:20,119
lot of rushing upside, and I think we're overlooking that

1517
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:22,119
a little bit. Tyler Schuck finished off the year great.

1518
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,279
They added weapons in uh you know, Jordan Tyson, Bryce,

1519
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:29,960
Lance Travis, etn. So I think that there's a lot

1520
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,720
to like there with that offense. I just I would

1521
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,920
rather give me the rushing upside at this point, either

1522
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,800
in a super flex as you QB two or as

1523
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,479
your backup quarterback. I want the upside. There's plenty of

1524
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,239
guys below these dudes that I think are still stable.

1525
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,479
Take Malik Wills and Aaron Rodgers.

1526
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,359
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you know what I didn't notice. I

1527
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:52,239
didn't actually look at your I didn't realize you had

1528
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,880
Malik Willis over Tyler Schuck which I also do. I

1529
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,319
thought that was maybe a little hot takey, not in

1530
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:01,840
this room. In every other room it might be, but

1531
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,640
not not in this room. Tyler schuk is projected higher

1532
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,399
than Malik Willis, but there were within like fifteenish points,

1533
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,399
so you know that could be maybe one game. I

1534
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:14,920
think some of it is what you're talking about, Like

1535
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,560
I want to say, of the starting quarterbacks, Yeah, there

1536
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,159
is no quarterback projected. There's actually one quarterback that I

1537
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:24,840
can see that's a that we know as a starter

1538
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,000
right now in Banana Mendoza. No other quarterback is projected

1539
01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:31,560
for less passing touchdowns than Malik Willis, so that's probably

1540
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,680
hurting him. What do you think the projected Yeah, and

1541
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,199
that is fair, But what do you think the rushing

1542
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,239
Give me the projected rushing numbers.

1543
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 3: Six hundred yards and six touchdowns.

1544
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 2: Close six twenty eight rushing but only four rushing touchdowns. Okay,

1545
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,279
so if you were to put six or seven rushing

1546
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:52,680
touchdowns on there, that's going to put him probably more

1547
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,720
in the boggings doing the hand thing, like in the

1548
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:58,319
Jared Goff range of what jar Goff is projected, and

1549
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:00,720
that puts him in as like a decent super option.

1550
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,560
I think Tyler Shuck is safer and that here's where

1551
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,880
I would go. I'm a buying floor. I'm a buy

1552
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,000
on the breakout of Tyler Shuck in that he is

1553
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:09,600
going to be a good value. I think, a really

1554
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,239
good option for super flex. I think Malik Willis has

1555
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:14,359
some upside. Frankly, if you wanted to push it up

1556
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:17,279
a tiny bit, I think maybe the most popular like

1557
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,119
sleeper or breakout quarterback. It's tough because they're not really

1558
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:24,119
a breakout. It's probably better termed value. It's like Kyler Murray.

1559
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:26,279
You know, Kyler Murray is like in like sixteen or

1560
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:28,800
seventeen range, and he could easily be a top ten

1561
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,840
guy as a starter. I think he's been like a

1562
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:34,359
top seven quarterback. But outside of that, I think those

1563
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:36,640
are two popular names. Just as a real quick hit.

1564
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,119
And then I will throw out a couple of the

1565
01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:40,159
sleepers you put if there really is one at quarterback

1566
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:43,319
buyer sale. Cam Ward is a breakout option.

1567
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: Bye, I buy cam Ward, And I just think that

1568
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,159
you know, we're we've improved the offensive line in Tennessee.

1569
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:54,119
We've got much better pass catchers. It's you know, uh,

1570
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:56,199
you go out and you draft Carnel Tate with the

1571
01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:59,920
number four overall, picky Calvin Ridley back for an entire season,

1572
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,520
and this is Ward in his second year. And Ward

1573
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,479
is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen. He's

1574
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,920
the first guy in, last guy out type of a deal.

1575
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:12,560
It's definitely not work ethic that is keeping cam Ward back.

1576
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,920
So I think with better surrounding weapons around him, he

1577
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,680
will be much improved. So I'm buying on cam Ward.

1578
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,319
Speaker 2: Last year as a QB two seventeen. Okay, well, that

1579
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:25,319
wasn't what I asked because I because I'm gonna sell

1580
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,560
because I don't know that there I don't know that

1581
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,399
there's a ton more upside. He threw for thirty one

1582
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,760
hundred yards, played seventeen games, fifteen touchdowns, seven picks. He

1583
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,920
didn't only rush for one hundred and fifty nine yards.

1584
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,159
What I think I may more is like, is there

1585
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,600
a potential production upside yet? Like he could go up

1586
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,039
a little bit, but from can he break out further

1587
01:13:46,199 --> 01:13:48,880
beyond where he is? I don't. I don't think he

1588
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,479
is going to jump into the inside the top twenty.

1589
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,359
That's a lot of guys that would have to fail

1590
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:55,359
that would have to be a lot like Ken Is

1591
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:57,640
he going to be better than Sam Darnold, who I

1592
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,960
know is boring, but just core player? Better than Tyler's

1593
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,319
I mean de penning where you are in ranks, Kobe Brissett,

1594
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:04,760
maybe Baker Mayfield falls down?

1595
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:05,079
Speaker 1: C J.

1596
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:07,239
Speaker 2: Stroud Is. Can we count on him more than that?

1597
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:08,920
I just don't think so. I don't think that offense

1598
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,920
is I'm gonna sell try could he be? Is he

1599
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,720
a good light option? If you played super flex and

1600
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,439
you screwed up and you didn't get the high end

1601
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,399
guy or you didn't get Schucker Willis or whatever, and

1602
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:22,000
now you're staring at cam Ward versus Daniel Jones or

1603
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,880
Bryce Young, Like sure, that's where I'll go in on

1604
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:24,359
cam Ward.

1605
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:29,079
Speaker 3: But is where we get like the true movement?

1606
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Give me that as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1607
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:33,399
I'm with you. The Sleepers you wrote down for Nanda

1608
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,279
Mendoza rookies and get opportunity. We just don't know if

1609
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:40,000
I had Away Shador Sanders, Carson Beck, Anthony Richardson, Riley Leonard,

1610
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:45,199
Katie Clubnick, you tell me, like I think this is

1611
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:46,640
a position.

1612
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,119
Speaker 1: Out of this group, Like Okay, I just I think

1613
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:52,800
Watson is worthless. I think it might be a better person.

1614
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,680
He's a football player at this point, which is a

1615
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,359
terrible thing to say. So I just I don't think

1616
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,840
he's any good and I think Chador is much much

1617
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,640
better than people give him credit for. So I think,

1618
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,840
with all these added weapons, if Watson doesn't get it

1619
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,279
done real quick, let's go back to shore and see

1620
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:10,479
what he has with actual weapons and an on line

1621
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,079
that can block. Because people want to give him a

1622
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:15,439
hard time for last year, and here's probably a lot

1623
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,640
of people that just already didn't like him coming in.

1624
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:21,960
But the dude is talented and I think he's the

1625
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,880
best quarterback on the roster right now, and I think

1626
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,159
he gets more starts than Watson by the end of

1627
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:28,560
the year. So out of this group of the Maybies,

1628
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,479
it's definitely shitt or for me.

1629
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,039
Speaker 2: So to me with that screams is because I don't

1630
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:35,520
think the I really don't think the breakout, and I

1631
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,680
don't really think the Sleepers qualifying single quarterback leagues. For

1632
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,279
this conversation, I think what you simply have to do

1633
01:15:41,399 --> 01:15:42,720
is you have to be like, yeah, I'm going to

1634
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,560
take a late quarterback. I take a Kyler Murray, and

1635
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,000
Kyler Murray becomes a top ten guy. It's not really

1636
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,079
a sleeper, it's not really a breakout. It's a good value.

1637
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,319
This conversation becomes a little bit more now too. I

1638
01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:55,039
say all of that, and like Drake may was a

1639
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:57,880
good value comparative to last year, and that was the breakout.

1640
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,159
I just don't see that power for the closest person

1641
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,720
who actually could do the breakout of Jackson Dart. Take

1642
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,960
him at ten or eleven at quarterback and he becomes

1643
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,479
a top five guy. So what I'm getting at is

1644
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,960
a lot of this then goes to the super flex range,

1645
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:14,760
and you're talking about players that can be worthwhile, you know,

1646
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,239
going from twenty five to fifteen. Sanders as a sleeper

1647
01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:20,640
to you, like the third quarterback you take in a

1648
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,840
flex knowing I don't need a guy for the first

1649
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,359
four or five weeks. Or is that two risk because

1650
01:16:25,399 --> 01:16:28,000
like that's I think I think that's even risky. I say,

1651
01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:29,920
I think that's a litmus test to a true if

1652
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:31,880
you think he's going to be a guy that happens

1653
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,079
in the latter half.

1654
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,359
Speaker 3: Of the season.

1655
01:16:33,399 --> 01:16:36,279
Speaker 1: So that's not that's not a litmus test that's a

1656
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,720
it's bad drafting strategy. You cannot, like you could roster

1657
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:42,439
George Sanders in a super flex. You're not taking him

1658
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,039
in twelve minute any point, so KiB at any point,

1659
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,319
but you can roster him in a super flex as

1660
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:51,920
you're four. I don't want him as I don't want

1661
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,720
any of these guys as a three, because I think

1662
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,800
Carson Beck is going to start a handful of games.

1663
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,600
Then kak Klubnik is going to start a handful of games,

1664
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,079
and but none of these guys can be counted on, yeah,

1665
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,560
you know, especially to start the season. So if I

1666
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,680
want a third quarterback, it's not gonna be out of

1667
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,439
this group unless I really screwed up.

1668
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to tight ends here, a

1669
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:15,119
little bit more of a fun group. I think there's

1670
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:18,279
it's really kind of like one big major guy. Let's

1671
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:20,039
do this because I think there's a tier of a

1672
01:17:20,079 --> 01:17:23,319
bunch of players that could fit that range. But let's

1673
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:28,479
just talk about Colson Lovelin in that nor is he

1674
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,319
a sleeper, a breakout or anything, But it's getting treated

1675
01:17:32,399 --> 01:17:34,520
like that, like you can't call a guy a breakout

1676
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,039
when they're the third tight end on ECR. Yet there

1677
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:41,199
doesn't seem to be a comfort level. You know what

1678
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,199
I'm saying. You gave me an eye there, but like.

1679
01:17:43,279 --> 01:17:46,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's still a breakout because because

1680
01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:48,560
he just hasn't had I mean, last year he had

1681
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,560
seven hundred and thirteen yards six touchdowns.

1682
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,199
Speaker 3: It's a fine year, but that's not like elite level years.

1683
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:56,399
Speaker 2: But you're paying the third overall tight end. You're paying

1684
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:03,239
a top forty overpaying. Yeah, he to overperformed relatively dramatically

1685
01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:05,640
last year to even be worth the pick, and I

1686
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,680
did at that he's going to take another step then

1687
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,920
that's where he can actually move past it. So that's

1688
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,880
what's kind of tough about it really, just to since

1689
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,680
he's his own beast, I just want to throw at

1690
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,199
you where what is your take on him over? I

1691
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:20,800
know we have talked about him a little bit again,

1692
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,239
I did it. Just did a show with Jake where

1693
01:18:22,319 --> 01:18:26,359
Jake essentially said his projection system pushed out Loveland as

1694
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,159
the number one tight end in fantasy. He feels weird

1695
01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:31,720
about it, but he's not taking it off. And we

1696
01:18:32,079 --> 01:18:36,159
in the same show it was the Targets by Round.

1697
01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:37,960
It's a short form you can find a fantasy pros.

1698
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:40,600
He put his fourth round target the player that you

1699
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,359
should take in the fourth round as Colson Loveland, So like,

1700
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,920
where are you at on Loveland? Because again this is

1701
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,600
a weird spot because you did write this expected to

1702
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,680
break out. He's expected to break out, which is true

1703
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,800
because he is the third fricking tight end and a

1704
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,079
top forty overall player.

1705
01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:58,359
Speaker 1: If he doesn't break out, he has his same type

1706
01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:00,760
of year he had last year. Everyone a draft and

1707
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,840
him will be disappointed.

1708
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,199
Speaker 2: Big bust potential. I just got to throw We're doing

1709
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,159
bus in the next episode. Just want to throw out

1710
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:09,600
like he is not an expected bust player. But the

1711
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,920
one of the biggest ways to find an expected bust

1712
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,439
player is a player.

1713
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 3: That has that hasn't broken out and is very costly.

1714
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 2: Exactly, that has not reached the current draft expectation and

1715
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,000
they have to overperform by a large degree from what

1716
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:26,439
they did the prior year just to return value. And

1717
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,560
that's why Loveland could be a big bust.

1718
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:33,319
Speaker 1: I have Loveland in his own tier, right, so this

1719
01:19:33,359 --> 01:19:37,399
is what I do. I go Bowers McBride, Loveland is

1720
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,640
Tier two, and then I have another group of titles.

1721
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,359
I like, so to me, Loveland is by himself. I

1722
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,880
expect the breakout, you know what I mean? Like, uh,

1723
01:19:47,119 --> 01:19:49,800
we were talking about Burden earlier, between Burden and a dune, say,

1724
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,079
getting more targets, Yeah, but most of those I think

1725
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:55,159
should go Colson Loveland's way from DJ Moore leaving. So

1726
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,880
I expect him to have you know, eighty catches eight

1727
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:04,439
hundred yards and he scored how many he had six

1728
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,880
touchdowns on fifty eight receptions last year. You can get

1729
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,399
up to ten. It would not be shocking to see

1730
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,439
him as tight end one. It would be shocking in

1731
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:18,399
that you know, McBride and brock Bowers both probably underperform

1732
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:22,800
in that scenario. But I mean, there is so much

1733
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,640
upside for Loveland, and like you said, there.

1734
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 3: Is some downside though.

1735
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: So I'm not as high as other people are on Loveland,

1736
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,520
but I'm pretty I'm pretty high on them, so own tier.

1737
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 3: To me, he is tier two of tight ends in

1738
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:37,479
my opinion.

1739
01:20:38,039 --> 01:20:41,520
Speaker 2: His projection is seventy seven catches, nine hundred yards and

1740
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:46,399
six point seven touchdowns, and that has him seventeen points

1741
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,439
below Bowers. I'm sorry, I'm on standards. Hold on, ooops,

1742
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,199
let me look at half ppr. It is well still

1743
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:55,359
same numbers, but that is roughly twenty six points below

1744
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:59,720
Bowers nine points above the next person. I guess it's

1745
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:02,239
it feels like the wiggle room is different because if

1746
01:21:02,279 --> 01:21:04,279
you get your touchdown equity that you just said would

1747
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:06,279
put him close to Bowers as a number two. Yeah,

1748
01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:08,319
but if he does the first number you said, where

1749
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:10,680
it's closer to eight hundred yards little less catches.

1750
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 3: How many hans they have Bowers? Do you see that?

1751
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 2: Huh? How many thinks?

1752
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: Is it under one hundred and forty? Yes, he might

1753
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,279
have one hundred and fifty catches this year? Else is

1754
01:21:20,319 --> 01:21:22,960
catching the ball in Vegas ninety stay healthy.

1755
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety six. Bowers Cleveland is seventy seventy seventy seven.

1756
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,960
But I guess what I'm saying is like, if the

1757
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,039
touchdowns don't come and the yards are a little bit

1758
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:35,359
closer to like where they might have paced out for

1759
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,199
last year, and it is I think you off handedly

1760
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:40,640
said like eight hundred, he might score under Warren and

1761
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,520
under Pits and he might end up being like tight

1762
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,399
end five. So that's why it's like kind of a thin.

1763
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,399
Speaker 1: Thin We're gonna find out where the touchdowns in Chicago

1764
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:48,760
are going to go because I think they can go

1765
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,880
many many different ways, and that is really going to

1766
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,600
determine which one of these guys I think steps up

1767
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,680
the most. Like if they're giving him to manang guy

1768
01:21:57,119 --> 01:21:59,479
down at the goal line, then he's going to step up.

1769
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,000
But if Burden is getting him in Loveland isn't, then

1770
01:22:02,039 --> 01:22:04,159
it's Burden, but it could easily be Lovelin.

1771
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know where those are gonna go.

1772
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 2: I think Warren is kind of in that he's his

1773
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,039
own tier too. If you wanted to do like Bowers

1774
01:22:10,079 --> 01:22:13,680
and McBride tier Loveland tier, then Warren's almost his own tier.

1775
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,119
Maybe you don't feel the same. He's not. He to me,

1776
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:19,520
he's just like Loveland. Like I think there's a high expectation.

1777
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,199
It's the cost is less. He's projected nine less points

1778
01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:25,960
than Lovelin. You have Michael Pittman out if they don't

1779
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,720
bring anybody else in kind of what we said about

1780
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,319
Josh downs, like they like to they're just Warren in

1781
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:33,239
like goal line situations, they'll hand him off the ball.

1782
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,560
He's a kind of good safety net option. Like I

1783
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,199
think Warren has as much upside as Loveland. And that's

1784
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:41,159
why I said, and that's why like I'm less likely

1785
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:45,000
to probably pay the price of now of Loveland becomes McBride,

1786
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:48,159
I'm just gonna eat that. But like it's a similar situation.

1787
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,560
You've got two decent pass catchers. You got a guy

1788
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,239
like Daniel Jones, though, that wants to get the ball

1789
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:54,119
off quicker and even more. And I think that's gonna

1790
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:56,199
lead maybe full PPR a little bit better to Warren.

1791
01:22:56,279 --> 01:23:00,520
But the touchdown equity is what is projected for him.

1792
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,359
If he had got that extra touchdown, he's almost in

1793
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:07,159
the exact same projection of Loveland. So just throwing this

1794
01:23:07,239 --> 01:23:08,920
out here, like I'm probably a little bit more apt

1795
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,680
to take Warren than I am to pay the higher

1796
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:12,600
cost on Loveland.

1797
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: That last part I think I agree with, Like Warren

1798
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,039
is gonna be a better buy than Loveland.

1799
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 3: I think.

1800
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Now I'll say that I don't know that the ceiling

1801
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,079
is as high for Warren, and Warren really could be

1802
01:23:27,039 --> 01:23:31,000
death by a thousand cuts to a like a normal year.

1803
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,399
Like if Daniel Jones takes a little bit longer than

1804
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:36,039
we think coming back, that's gonna hurt. If they do

1805
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:39,199
sign Keenan Allen. That's gonna hurt. If Josh Downs takes

1806
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:41,960
a step up that he hasn't yet, that's gonna hurt.

1807
01:23:42,079 --> 01:23:44,239
So there are little things that are knowing. But the

1808
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:47,119
biggest thing that Warren has going for him is getting

1809
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:47,840
rid of Pittman.

1810
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 3: Right.

1811
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: It's a lot of targets going and the fact that

1812
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,520
Warren can literally line up at any position.

1813
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,079
Speaker 3: He played quarterback if you want so.

1814
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,159
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have a lot of interesting move

1815
01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:03,479
things with Tyler Warren this year. And the real upside

1816
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,760
is this dude could score so many touchdowns. You can

1817
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,560
use him at the goal line, yeah, any any way

1818
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,239
that you want. So, yeah, there's I think the last

1819
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:15,520
thing that you said is the most correct thing where

1820
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,479
it's Warren is probably going to be a better value

1821
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:19,159
than love one.

1822
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah Warren, But I mean, I know leveland caught on later.

1823
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,600
Warren did average of about a full point more per game,

1824
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,359
but that's you know, you probably have to look more

1825
01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:28,119
at like the ending of the year. But that's also

1826
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,840
not fair to Warren because of the injuries. Some likely

1827
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,039
sleeper targets at the tight end position. Sleeper kind of

1828
01:24:34,039 --> 01:24:35,880
there's a little bit of slash breakout that's in there too,

1829
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,199
but let's just use sleeper as the term you got

1830
01:24:38,279 --> 01:24:40,720
dalton kin Kid has been a very popular option both ways,

1831
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:45,199
very polarizing. ECR of ten Isaiah Likely is probably going

1832
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:47,279
to be the tight end a jour of this episode

1833
01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:49,920
e CR fourteen. You and I are both higher on him.

1834
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,920
I think people are torn on Gatston. You put Gatson

1835
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,359
on here, but I think there's a lot more people

1836
01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:56,520
busting him than anything else. I've seen a little bit

1837
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,039
of a j Barner, Terrence Ferguson has popped up and

1838
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,520
and probably the deepest of deepest that is very very

1839
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,560
fantasy pro prevalent is Greg Dultice.

1840
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,039
Speaker 3: You can just say Andrew Erickson prevalent.

1841
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 2: It's not just Ericson, it's all of them. But Ericson

1842
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:14,039
is the number one biggest pusher of Greg Dulgic. But

1843
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,760
Kin quick thought unlikely. I want to sere a Kinkaid.

1844
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,439
I want to talk about Likely, and then we'll do

1845
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,119
any passing thoughts here. But are you a buyer seller?

1846
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:26,520
Because I think it was Tara terror Roberts one episode

1847
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,199
I did with her and Jake tore into the bills

1848
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,600
and hates King Caid and essentially was like, there's no

1849
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,239
scenario where I'm drafting Kinkaid and he is the tenth

1850
01:25:34,319 --> 01:25:36,399
tight end off the board. I'm noticing your rank now,

1851
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:38,439
which makes me feel you are in a similar light.

1852
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I just he's so frustrating.

1853
01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:44,279
Speaker 2: Dude.

1854
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: He's so talented, but he barely was on the field

1855
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,239
for over fIF of the snaps most games. I think

1856
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:52,720
it was four games over fifty percent of the snaps

1857
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,199
last year. And Brady is the head coach, but he

1858
01:25:55,239 --> 01:25:57,479
was also the OC last year, so I just don't

1859
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:02,119
know that much changes for Kinkaid. They love Jackson Hawes

1860
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:04,560
as a blocker. Dawson Knox they still like as well,

1861
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,000
so they're gonna mix those three tight ends, which makes

1862
01:26:07,079 --> 01:26:10,279
Kinkaid incredibly frustrating. So I don't think Kid takes a

1863
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:12,840
step up until he moves two different teams. So I'm

1864
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,039
gonna be out on Kinkaid.

1865
01:26:14,359 --> 01:26:16,319
Speaker 2: Let's do the likely one because I think Isaiah likely

1866
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:19,680
is the most popular sleeper tight end. People either love

1867
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,600
him or hate him. I've seen you were the first

1868
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,520
one that kind of put my eyes on that your love,

1869
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,560
but I have seen multiple people in this same like

1870
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,600
Isaiah likely to the moon type of thing.

1871
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 3: All followers of me, Yes, probably.

1872
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:33,359
Speaker 2: You've got it at nine, he's fourteen. We obviously know

1873
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:35,319
the big playmaking ability. You can't really look at the

1874
01:26:35,399 --> 01:26:37,840
numbers last year, but you look at an offense that

1875
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:41,520
you know it's gonna obviously run through Jackson Dart and

1876
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,960
probably heavy passing, but you've got you know, maybe like

1877
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:46,199
Neighbors missing time, and you just got likely, who's a

1878
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:49,600
guy that can play, whether it's like inside stuff or

1879
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,119
you can screen pass and let him do with his

1880
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:54,079
legs like Baltimore did, like he is gonna he's gonna

1881
01:26:54,119 --> 01:26:56,880
be very interesting this year. So you are clearly a

1882
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,000
bye of Isaiah, likely as a sleeper because you are

1883
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:59,920
the conductor of that train.

1884
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just no more Mark Andrews to ruin this for him, right,

1885
01:27:04,079 --> 01:27:07,560
and he steps into a pass heavier team than Baltimore,

1886
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,199
which I mean, we'll see what Baltimore does now that

1887
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:13,439
they're changing their offense. And I do think that with

1888
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,760
Matt Naggi, you know you're probably going to see a

1889
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,199
decent run game from the Giants, at least a better one.

1890
01:27:18,359 --> 01:27:22,000
Cam Scattaboo and Tyrone Tracy back there. But who is

1891
01:27:22,279 --> 01:27:25,479
we did this before. Who's the number two? Who is

1892
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,760
going to be second in targets on the Giants this year?

1893
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,199
Speaker 2: Right? I said, like Scattaboo. I was like cam scatt

1894
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:32,960
that was.

1895
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,039
Speaker 1: Probably Tyrone Tracy, But it's gonna be Likely, dude, Like

1896
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,960
Malik Neighbors, is you number one by a country mile?

1897
01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:41,199
Speaker 3: Right? Who is too?

1898
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 2: Well?

1899
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,199
Speaker 3: Maybe Malachi Field's rookie.

1900
01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: They signed Dowt Know Mooney, Like, it's all these journeyman

1901
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:50,279
type of wide receivers on this roster, and they spent

1902
01:27:50,359 --> 01:27:52,279
the money on Likely. I think Likely is here to

1903
01:27:52,359 --> 01:27:54,760
catch passes from Jackson Dark. That's the whole point of

1904
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,680
his game. He's not here to block, he's not here

1905
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,840
to do that stuff. He is here to make plays.

1906
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:02,239
So I think that's what he's gonna do. And I

1907
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:04,159
have him in my top ten tight ends. He's number

1908
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:04,640
nine for me.

1909
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:09,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I buy that. The other guy, well, there's actually

1910
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:10,520
one other I want to do this. Well, No, it's

1911
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,279
too the Gregdults thing. He's the lowest further down there.

1912
01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:16,760
He's like thirty seven on ECR. You are higher on him.

1913
01:28:17,039 --> 01:28:19,399
Ericson is super high on him. I think Erickson might

1914
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,199
be coming from a little bit of a like high stakes,

1915
01:28:23,239 --> 01:28:25,720
too tight end, like f FPC type of thing when

1916
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,439
you talk about him, because like I see that type

1917
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,159
of stuff and I'm like, oh, that's fun, that's cool,

1918
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:32,520
But like, okay, give me this scenario where that makes

1919
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,640
sense that you have to roster him, Like are you

1920
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,760
really going to pick him over Jake Ferguson, You're gonna

1921
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,119
pick him over even Mark Andrews, Like You're just not

1922
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:43,399
gonna do it. So to me, it only lives in

1923
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,640
that world, Like maybe I'm wrong, Maybe Malik Willis will

1924
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,800
only know that Dolts exists and will throw him nine

1925
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,560
passes a game and it'll be a whole nother ballgame.

1926
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,239
But that offense is going to struggle. We don't know

1927
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:57,279
how it's gonna move downfield, and I think you'll get targets,

1928
01:28:57,279 --> 01:29:00,920
but I struggle to find the consistency of how I

1929
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,520
would pick him over a Ferguson, And that's my test,

1930
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,880
that's kind of my litmus test when we talk about

1931
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,520
That's why I picked on the running back thing. Where

1932
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,800
it's like it's cool when we talk about these, but

1933
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,399
like if there isn't a scenario where you can actually

1934
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,439
roster them it's just you know, I don't know, it's

1935
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,079
just kind of being right or whatever. But in an

1936
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,239
FFPC format you can because it's like one point five

1937
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,680
per reception to a tight end and you want to

1938
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,479
own a premium, then it's a whole nother ball game.

1939
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,600
Or if you're playing in a two tight end like whatever,

1940
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,760
fish bowl, whatever type of thing, that's different. But it's

1941
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,159
just like to me, like, does it crack the top

1942
01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:37,880
fifteen for you have them dramatically higher, but you still

1943
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,399
only have them at twenty five. You don't even have

1944
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,680
them in the twelve team as a starting tight end

1945
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,399
and if you start two tight ends.

1946
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand the thought process behind him, and it's

1947
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,199
a lot of what I just said about likely.

1948
01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1949
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: You look at this Miami Dolphins roster and you go,

1950
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,119
who the hell is catching the football for this team?

1951
01:29:54,199 --> 01:29:54,399
Speaker 3: Right?

1952
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,239
Speaker 1: Like? Who is going to do it? So Dulca should

1953
01:29:57,279 --> 01:30:00,520
see career highs in everything this year?

1954
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 3: Right?

1955
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know, is he that talented?

1956
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,399
I think he's fine. He's a good pass catcher. Do

1957
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,119
I want to put him up into the top fifteen

1958
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:13,640
yet I'm just not there, So prove it to me first.

1959
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:18,199
But I'm not I'm not adult such guy. I'm not like,

1960
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,760
I'm not like the other guys. But it's do I

1961
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,640
think he's gonna have a great year. Yes, better year

1962
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:23,239
than he's ever.

1963
01:30:23,119 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: Had, better year than he's ever had. Yeah, because opportunity

1964
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,159
this is built a lot then and that might be

1965
01:30:28,199 --> 01:30:30,319
a good streaming option. There's one guy I think you

1966
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:34,720
left off this list, and I think this is maybe

1967
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,520
number two in the likely streets is Chicka Kong Quo.

1968
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,680
And maybe in your brain you're like, well, he kind

1969
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,479
of I don't think he's ever broke out, he's never

1970
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,399
done this type writing. And he goes to a team

1971
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,079
that we've talked about in Washington that doesn't have a

1972
01:30:49,119 --> 01:30:51,760
whole lot. I mean, Rashad White might dominate, but like

1973
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,439
he gets to be like the guy. He gets to

1974
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,399
go in be a good pass catcher who can make

1975
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,600
some plays. They don't have a lot of receiving options

1976
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,760
right now. Were talking about Antonio Williams is the number two,

1977
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:03,640
and I think Chick is one of those guys that

1978
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,359
there's some pretty high expectations. So I ask you, since

1979
01:31:06,359 --> 01:31:07,960
he didn't make this list, are you by your cell

1980
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,119
that Chicka Konko is going to break out this year.

1981
01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:13,119
Speaker 1: I would buy I have him at fifteen. Do we

1982
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:14,720
know what his ZCR is? I don't have it in

1983
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:15,119
front of me.

1984
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually was just looking at his projection and

1985
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,279
do you want to hear where his projection is? Though?

1986
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Can I guess it? Let me guess it.

1987
01:31:22,279 --> 01:31:24,399
Speaker 2: Do you want to guess the number or where he is?

1988
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 3: No, I want to guess the numbers, so you could

1989
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:28,520
tell me where he is.

1990
01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, I'm going to let you guess the

1991
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,319
numbers first, Okay.

1992
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to say sixty catches, seven hundred yards and

1993
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,319
four and a half touchdowns.

1994
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: Very not close. Okay, that's why you're going to be

1995
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:50,880
surprised about this. He is projected fifty three catches, five

1996
01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:56,119
sixty seven yards not close there, and two point seven touchdowns.

1997
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I perfession is what he's done.

1998
01:31:59,359 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not just four fifty two fifty six that I'm

1999
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,479
just I just want to go over his last three

2000
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,800
seasons fifty four fifty two to fifty six, five twenty eight,

2001
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,479
four seventy nine, five sixty one two two that that's

2002
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:16,560
his catches, yards in touchdown So, uh, I think that's going.

2003
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 3: That has to improve In Washington.

2004
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 2: He is tighten twenty on ECR, but he is tightened

2005
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,319
twenty six on projections and Greg Dulcic is higher projected

2006
01:32:30,399 --> 01:32:36,840
than he is below Kenyon, Sadik cade Aughten, AJ Barner,

2007
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,520
Pat Fryarmouth. He's below all those guys, and that is

2008
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,600
a player that I agree. This is what projections does.

2009
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,960
It does build a lot around like prior production, but

2010
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:47,399
it's just an interesting spot where it's like they're gonna

2011
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:49,199
need playmakers to check my.

2012
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Inn As the commanders stand right now, those can't be

2013
01:32:54,039 --> 01:32:57,439
a conquos numbers. If they signed Digs, which we both

2014
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:01,000
kind of think they do, then may lead. Those are

2015
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,239
his numbers. But I still think this is the best

2016
01:33:03,279 --> 01:33:07,239
quarterback that he's ever played with, definitely in Jaydeon Daniels, so.

2017
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean played with.

2018
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:12,359
Speaker 1: Yes, this is the best offense he's ever been in.

2019
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,640
So I think he's gonna have a much better year.

2020
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:18,920
And right now they said he's looked great in camp.

2021
01:33:19,079 --> 01:33:22,680
So in those early OTAs rather Jig.

2022
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 2: Or Pat Firemouth Chig Yeah, easy easy, I don't know

2023
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:32,239
if it's let's relax there, guy easy. I do like

2024
01:33:32,319 --> 01:33:36,319
that in a more vertical offense here, but I have

2025
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,560
I have Pat Firemouth at twenty nine. I've got Hawkinson

2026
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,119
or Jig. Yeah, okay, there you go.

2027
01:33:43,319 --> 01:33:46,399
Speaker 1: I got Jig over Kincaid, I've got him over Gadson

2028
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,880
and Strange, Sewan Johnson, Hunter, Henry, I have him over

2029
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:49,880
some big tight ends.

2030
01:33:50,199 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 2: That's a breakout there. So you are seller of the dultcic,

2031
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:57,239
buyer of the Chig, buyer of the likely, and there's

2032
01:33:57,239 --> 01:33:58,840
a few other fun names out there, but I think

2033
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,600
those are the big common ones, and those are all

2034
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,760
the players. It's a ton of players, from the expected

2035
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,680
breakouts to the are they sleepers? A different take on

2036
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,880
kind of this process, and hopefully you guys enjoyed just

2037
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:11,880
kind of picking apart a lot of the common names

2038
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,920
that you see in the buyer sell range of them,

2039
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,399
and then you know, float out. We've will float out

2040
01:34:16,399 --> 01:34:19,199
a couple names you obviously have got. You got one

2041
01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:21,439
for Ca Tron Allen. I got one for Tank Dell.

2042
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,960
That's still floating out there, so we'll see how it materializes.

2043
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,640
Who are your guys as sleepers? Let us know who

2044
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,239
you loved, who you hated, and who we didn't talk

2045
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:31,319
about that we should have that are the sleepers. But

2046
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,039
it's coming back around because the next episode we're gonna

2047
01:34:34,039 --> 01:34:35,800
do the bus probably be a little bit less of

2048
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:37,680
an episode because there was a lot to cover here

2049
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,159
and we're not gonna I don't know if we're gonna.

2050
01:34:41,279 --> 01:34:43,800
I guess it is kind of a positional thing, but

2051
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:45,840
it's be a little bit easier to get through buss

2052
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,000
or kind of a whole different conversation here. We'll talk

2053
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:50,239
a lot of more about the potential like I did

2054
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:53,840
with Loveland. Like Loveland not saying he is a bus

2055
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,720
or anything like that, but if you're looking from the

2056
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,359
perspective of like what does a player have to do

2057
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:03,239
to just return value, it's it's almost a negative ev

2058
01:35:03,359 --> 01:35:06,000
market with Lovelin, like he can get there, but it's

2059
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:07,359
just a lot more of a push. So we'll talk

2060
01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:10,279
about that from a positional standpoint on the next episode.

2061
01:35:10,279 --> 01:35:12,319
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