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You said an interesting thing to me before we started.
You were just kind of like, the process of here
are my five sleepers is kind of, I don't know,
dead a little bit in your mind. I definitely don't
think it's dead, and I don't think he meant it
that way. It's not like dead because it's still relevant.
The term sleeper is very Yeah, we've spent three or
four years talking about the death of the sleeper in
that like, yes, it isn't what it traditionally is, and
we don't really need to necessarily go down that road anymore.
But I like this idea of talking about kind of
the combined sleepers that everybody is talking about and kind
of breaking them apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sleepers, I think is the SEO term that
gets people to click on the show and all that stuff.
I would say that the players we're going to talk
about today are mainly ticketed for a breakout or people
think they're going to have some type of a breakout, right,
So I think sleepers might be more kind of the same.
But sleepers are more of like a, Hey, nobody's talking
about this guy. But there's not a single player that
no one is talking about anymore. There's too many opinions
wide ranging on every single player. So I don't know
that there's such thing as a sleeper anymore. But the
players that we expect to take that next step, those
are sleepers breakout players, however you want to say it.
And there are expectations a lot of these guys to
you know, step up and take the next step. There
are guys that are going to get chances, you know,
maybe not expected, like you know, just at the running
back position. Maybe not like Jeremiah Love, who you know,
was a top five pick omar and Hampton who had
a really good back half of the season but was
hurt in the beginning of the season. Reverse for Cam
Skataboo where he was really good to start and uh,
you know finished off slow at the end, right, so
and he got hurt. So you know, it's who is
going to take control of a role and you know,
be of value in your drafts. That's what we're looking for,
is breakouts, sleepers however you want to say it. And
instead of saying, well this is my favorite sleeper, here's
everybody's favorite sleepers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or breakouts? Who do we like? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And where are we buying it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Also, it's it's a weird age too, because like you know,
if you're not on like social media and stuff, it's
a little bit different. But you know, it has gotten
to a point where because you're kind of always being sold.
You know what I mean, for the il join up
with the Patreon that's to support us. But I'm getting
at is like you're always being sold, especially on social media.
I am this, I am that, Hey, I'm love. I
just watched a video the other day of a guy. Hey,
I'm not gonna say his name, but I win and
I only win, And I'm gonna teach you have thousands
of people to win. And now I'm gonna give you
the guys that are making you win, like you're always
being sold to stuff. We have a commercial different company
for sure, but then you've also got these guys that
are out there and and the reason this is one
of the reasons I think sleepers have died too, is
that you'll get these threads and people literally throw out
every single player. I mean there are countless amounts of
accounts that they literally will tweet about every single player
so that they can then celebrate their win. It's not
even a joke. It's not like a hyperbolic about it.
Like they will tweet about every single player why they
can break out, and then when they do, they come
back to it, see I told you so, and then
they continues that selling point. And that's not like I
think it is good to break you break down everybody
that's like a solid thing, but you claim the win
because you've talked about a player at all times. That
was like, that's a one of the pieces of the
death of the idea of the true idea of a sleeper,
because like you said before, there are so many more.
I mean, fantasy football is an industry. It's like why
fantasy pros is still successful and makes money and it's
why so many it's why I mean, Yahoo Naho just spent.
I was joking with Seely about this because I just
did a show with Seely look at Yahoo a year ago,
and Yahoo was the one that was firing everybody and
then doing AI aggregated like articles and stuff. And they
just unloaded the damn vault to bring in Justin boone
last year with Matt Harmon, and then they just brought
in the underdog guys Hayden. I think it's Hayden and
Josh Norris, and yeah, they are spent. I mean hat
tip by the way to a company spending on content.
But my point to that is, not only do you
have the major companies. You know, ESPN's a little bit
out of it, but you got a couple that are
getting back into it contents thriving again. But then you
got a billion other indipend companies. The conversation is so
much louder, wider, and further on it that it's like
you can't get away. You got to just find the
people that are having the right conversations. And sometimes that's
going to be other shows, and you know, sometimes it's
going to be like what we're doing here, it's like
we are having a conversation about the conversations. I think
that's kind of a helpful thing to do. But just
a side note, by the way, the freaking industry. By
the way, it's not something we really do in fantasy pros.
But you add, what is it rotal wire bringing in
psych a.
Speaker 3: Regular NFL off season?
Speaker 4: Dude, Dude, like you got leave my fantasy life and
then THEO Grimminger leave Fantasy points and go.
Speaker 2: To rotal Wire. Holy crap, road a wire, I got bigger.
Yahoo just brought in two huge, huge free agents. Underdog
is like, you know, they're playing for the future. They
sold out. They they're uh, you know they're playing for
I don't know ever, they're getting out of the content business.
My fantasy life has got to bring in people. It
is actually kind of wild right now. It is like
a real football season in the fantasy world. And those
are just some of the big dogs that are sitting
out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of moving and shaking right now
in the industry. So but you're ready to get into
these breakouts, well, she lets go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna do this. So how it's the stage
for it is We've got running backs, wide receivers, quarterbacks,
and tight ends. We have got a couple different categories.
I'm we will I will list off the players that
you put in each category. It does not mean we're
going to do heavy conversation on all them. I kind
of highlighted some players that I think are really worth
the sleeper conversations. So there's like a boatload of names
that are on there. But we'll be going through each
position breaking down the idea of these sleepers, and then
you guys can let us know, like what are you
buying in? These are popular ones that you're gonna see
break being broken down, but what level you know, are
you really buying it? And I'll be frank, there's there's
a guy or two as I've really been digging into
my process here stat hunting. You know, mine, now, unfortunate
is a little bit later than like yours, because I'm
so inundated with baseball that I started to dug in.
I'm starting to find some players that I'm kind of like,
not only just like falling in love with normally, but
some that aren't unpopular sleeper ones. So I might even
throw that out here as well. But we got a
whole bunch of names. We're gonna break down what some
of these sleepers can and will be. I'm excited to
do it. We will do it right on the other
side of this break right here in this league.
Speaker 3: But wait, let me explain something to you.
Speaker 2: I am not in this league. You're in this league.
Speaker 3: I'm the dude.
Speaker 2: You are one pathetic loser. Sleeper running backs not necessarily are.
So there are a couple of players that I would
qualify if we were putting this article together. We are
going to kick it off. They're two groupings that we're
gonna do with the sleeper running backs. There are the
players that are commonly expected to break out. They're pretty
common names, and then you've got this tier called they
should have a chance to earn the touches to justify
their break out. The second grouping, I think there is
one name particularly that is like one of the biggest
sleepers in the entire land. So again not that you
guys necessarily matter. The organization of it is these are
common expected players to break out, and then the guys
that should potentially get touches that could warrant it. And
the real definition of sleepers might be in that second one.
Speaker 1: So and I think that maybe sleepers breakouts however you
want to say it. The the fact that you're drafting
them is you are drafting them for upside, right, It's
a little more than what they've shown. Breakout sleepers, however
you want to say it, and way worth way more
than their draft.
Speaker 3: Spot as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we've always said.
Speaker 1: That we that's every player on this list, but there
are categories of how they get to their breakout.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so it's a fair point. I actually think
there's a little bit like the top names you have
in the expected because you're kind of moving away I
guess from the sleeper angle of how you're writing this,
the first couple of players really don't qualify in the
traditional sleeper since they are a little bit moreraouts. Because
the names in this expected to break out a la
are they sleepers? Starts with a Marion Hampton, Jeremiah Love
comes in at number two, Cam Skataboo, Quinchawn Jutkins, Traveon Henderson,
base Sheelle Tuton, and Jendarium Price. That is the grouping
of kind of the higher RealMed players that you can
term them as sleepers because you think they are going
to do more, but really the breakout is more of
a breakdown. Yeah, I would say Omaron Hampton is the
most non sleeper of the group because it is the
truest sense of a breakout, but it's hard to kind
of go against it. I'm pretty firm on this one,
like I am hardcore team A Marion Hampton. I think
there are some people that are looking at Keithon Mitchell
as being a great fit to what McDaniel might want
to do overall with the offense and what he can
do on the receiving side. But Hampton proved to be
a great pass catcher. In nine games, he caught thirty
two of thirty five targets at around two hundred yards
average over almost four and a half per rush attempt
from a per game basis fifteen point one Fantasy points
per game. He is ranked though ECR is a top
ten back, so you can't sleep on him. He almost
borderliness maybe the most him and the next guy the
most like not doable player for this list. But the
idea of him breaking out is that Hampton is not
just going to go down the route of you know
him being worthwhile as like a pseudo top twelve. You know,
running back in that he could be a top five guy,
and I think under McDaniel the potential is for that
to happen, especially if they paced back, slow the offense
down and they run through him and they don't do
too much of a I don't want to call it
a committe because it's not gonna a committee, but they
don't add in guys like like Keith Mitchell. But Hampton
is a very popular one. So so what is your
level of the Hampton breakout to happen.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely happening.
Speaker 1: It really happened at the back end of last season,
and it just didn't happen fully for the complete season
because he got hurt early in the season and missed
a bunch of games, then came back and probably came
back quick.
Speaker 3: What guys do but a little gimpy.
Speaker 1: But you know, this is a dude that in college
in twenty twenty three he had two hundred and eighty
two total touches. In twenty twenty four, the year before
he entered the NFL three hundred and nineteen touches. This
is a bell cow back in a system that is
going to be revolved around the run game. Mike McDaniel
does like to throw at slinging downfield and all that,
but everything works off the run. So I'm not even
that big of a Keaton Mitchell fan. I like Kimani
Fidell better, but.
Speaker 2: It doesn't another one great point. That's another one of those.
Speaker 1: They're both way worse than Omari and Hampton. Omarion Hampton
is going to be one of those things where maybe
early we see you know, Mitchell coming in on packages,
Timany Midell coming in on packages and whatever. But it's
gonna be one of those things a lot like you know,
I'm not saying it's Christian McCaffrey, but it's that same
idea of what Kyle Shanahan does. Kyle Shanahan every year
says we're going to give the ball less to scene
we get into a game. Most NFL games are tight,
and it's really hard to take your best player off
the field. And that is what is That is exactly
what's going to happen to a mari and Hampton. He's
going to have close to three hundred touches maybe over
that that. I'm I have him in my top ten.
He's in RB one to me no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's even more upside from
a projection standpoint. Looking at Fantasy pros projections, they've got
him as the eleventh total scoring wide receiver or running
back in half PPR, and they've got him right at
three hundred touches two forty nine, especially two fifty. It's
two forty nine point eight rush attemts fifty one and
a half catches, So it's like three zho one on
the touches, which would equate around fourteen hundred yards and
twelve touchdowns. It does seem like an aggressive number, but
I think there is an easy path to start to
look and maybe you start to even look at some
type of a baseline of like look at what a
Chan was and it's like, is it crazy to think
that Hampton could go to two seventy on the carries
and get twelve hundred yards rushing? Is it crazy for
him to have caught thirty two passes in nine games
for him to touch to like fifty five to sixty
catches and maybe it's four fifty on the receiving side.
Devon ah Chan this year is projected for just under
eighteen hundred total yards in that bad offense. Touchdowns are
kind of down. But like, I think the window between
Hampton and a Chan is much smaller than what the
projections have. Eight Chan is the fourth highest scoring running
back and Hampton is the eleventh. There is a forty
point gap. Roughly a forty point gap. I think there's
an easy path where this could be a ten point
gap and maybe it goes in favor of Hampton where
h Chan comes down a little bit. I mean they
have eight Chan above James Cook and Hampton comes up.
I think Hampton has the top five upsides. So but
for that perspective, I think that is there's a real
sense of a breakout. So I'm gonna buy this breakout.
So it's kind of like a buy selling here. I'm
going to buy the breakout that people are selling on Hampton.
Speaker 3: That same Yeah, Okay, it's gonna be a great year
for him.
Speaker 2: You put on this list, Jeremiah Love, We're gonna kind
of move past these. I really don't think he qualifies
because he's a rookie. There's no breakout there.
Speaker 3: We just haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't seen it. He's a popular name. Drafting.
Cam Scatterby is kind of interesting that you put on
this list because I just don't know if people know
what to do with him. Some people are talking about
the breakout because you know, the team loves him, Harbaugh
loves him. There could be the workhorse qwen John Jutkins
is interesting because there's a little bit of a push
that's coming up. I saw in social media that there's
there was an AFC executive Judkins is going to have
a big year.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The assumption is, you know, they're going to just kind
of let him roll. The offense might be humming a
little bit more. So that's kind of an interesting one.
And if you look at the hat. But the half
point projections though have him like below DeAndre Swift and
below Bucky Irving, you know, and Cam Scattaboo. So the
projections are telling a tough story because of the reception.
So just wanted to throw out that, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Judkins is a weird case because when he played at
Ole Miss in college two and six nine and two
hundred and ninety three touches. When he went to Ohio
State and split time with Trevion Henderson, he was down
to two hundred and thirteen touches. I kind of think
he works better in that range. But he is again
a lot like Omri and Hampton, way way better than
anybody else on the roster. It's just that offense is
kind of you know, there's gonna be some growing pains
with the Browns offense. Judkins is coming off of major injury.
You have OH line problems, QB issues, and a lot
of youth now catching the ball. So it is like,
I like Judkins, I think he's on the same level
as Hampton and Talent, but the offenses are extremely different
and the Browns are obviously way worse.
Speaker 2: The three names on this list, though, that I think
are really in the we're gonna buy or sell are
very popular names, one of which was last year again,
is it like really a breakout or sleep or whatever
it is? Trevion Henderson. There were hot, much higher expectations
on Trevian Henderson. So now Travion falls into this space
of are we sleeping on him? He comes in as
the twenty third running back in ECR. You've got him
a little bit higher. A lot of people are kind
of team reminder. Stevens one hundred and eighty carries over
nine hundred yards. Good on the touchdowns, the receiving, you know,
like we thought there was gonna be way more and
then Roder Stevenson ended up kind of taking that. He
only had one receiving touchdown. The usage are just really
weird on Trevion Henderson, but there was a lot of
effectiveness out there. He is a very very common name
that is popping up in the breakout. Again, it's not
quite sleeper. This is the breakout portion. The next guys
are more of the sleepers. Do you buy or sell
that the breakout is coming for Trevion Henderson and that
he's going to get the usage because this is ten
touchdowns last year. He can't run back what he did
last year and disqualify. He has to take a big step.
So do you buy or sell that?
Speaker 1: I buy it, And you know, I'm not crazy high
on you know, versus ECR. I haven't met twenty three
or I haven't at twenty the DCRs twenty three, so
I'm a little bit higher than that. I just with
a guy this talented and to me, the way that
he works for fans to see reminds me a little
bit of a chance in that he doesn't need two
hundred and fifty touches to make a giant impact. You know,
last last year he had how many carries? He have
one hundred and eighty, one hundred and eighty carries and
then it was thirty five catches, so just over two
hundred touches. I think he gets more than that. I
think he gets closer to fifty this year. I think
we see the difference between him and Stevenson a little
bit more. Stevenson gets a little bit older, Anderson gets
a little more experience, and I just I think this
is going to be a much better year for Henderson
than it will be for Stevenson. I know that not
everybody thinks that, but last year reminded me a little
bit of remember when JT came into the league and naihim,
Hines kept getting a crazy amount of touches, and like,
what are we doing. It's obviously closer than that, because
Stevenson is better than Hines, But I just think that
Trayvon Henderson is by far the best back in this backfield.
And I think at some point, specifically with getting a J. Brown,
getting Romeo Dobs better catchers, you have a lot of
those underneath tosses that you're gonna want to throw to
a guy like Henderson because he's amazing with the ball
in his hands, So I want there's a lot there
for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in interesting, I want to say this is on like, uh,
there's this page called NFL savant, but if you're looking
at like yards over expected, he was number one in
rush yards overexpected last year at one point two eight,
So you know, I mean that is showing a player
that is making more out of every single play, whether
that is open field stuff, offensive line, what they do.
Like he was number one in rushing yards over expected,
so like that gives a big play. But I'm kind
of a sell to this just because, like, I don't
think the I don't think we have anything that has
told us otherwise that they're not going to use both
of these guys in compliment and that they keep going
back to Romandri while Ramondre Stevenson is there. I'm a
sell of this, even though I think Trayvon Henderson is
a more talented player. You're two is the is the
spot though, where this could start to happen. So I
see why this is being put out there, but I
just don't buy it. When Trevan Henderson is there.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then second guy on this list, Bashall Tuton, very popular
one Bachell Tuton eighty three carries three hundred and seven yards,
five touchdowns last year obviously very limited work. Caught a
few balls, got some touchdowns. That's all fine, and Sexy
Aten is gone. Touton is the guy. There's a little
bit of Chris Rodriguez is out there. I heard somebody
saying this and it might have been on a show
I did where it was like, yeah, Chris Rodriguez is
expected to get goal line and early downs, but Tuoton
is this this, And I'm like, that's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of the stuff, like it is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good thing that Chris Rodriguez is not
like the receiving side, and they clearly love to throw
the ball in the backfield and screen passes to running
backs and that's going to help for Tutin. But like,
if he doesn't have the early down and the goal line,
that is going to minimize the upside. He is ECR
twenty five at RB you are a little bit lower.
So I'm leaning to the sell on this one as well.
Are you with me on the sell? The big breakout
of Bachelle Tuton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just not quite there with Bachelle Tuton. And
I think, you know the fact that Etn is gone
is great for him, the fact that I think he
still leads this team in touches, right, Like I do
think that he is the best back on the roster.
I just don't think he think that he's that much
better than se Rod. I don't think that he's that
much better than Jamari Taylor, who they took as a
UDFA late. And we've seen udfas get run remember Philip
Lindsay getting a lot of run. Arion Foster was the UDFA. Right.
There have been success stories, way more failures than success stories,
of course, But I just don't think that Bachelle Tuton
is an elite level RB. And I don't know how
much better he is in the guys on the roster currently.
And we know Liam Cohen has the history with Sea
Rod at Kentucky, so he knows him from there. And
I think that I think that the most likely thing
is this is going to be a frustrating Seattle type
of running back situation where you know, last year we
saw Ken Walker working at great between the twenties, but
then you get anywhere the goal line. Here comes Zach
Sharbonay and he's not getting enough carries, but he's occasionally
getting the touchdown and it frustrates everybody. That's kind of
how I see the Jaguars backfield going. Unless one of
them gets hurt. Then if one of them gets hurt,
then maybe one of these guys gets a nice role,
But you can't count on that. So I'm probably gonna
be out on Jacksonville Jaguar running backs overall, and that
includes Tuton, and I've moved him up. I had him
at thirty two before, so.
Speaker 2: I think there's a path where if they made the commitment.
I mean, I got me honest with you. When I
do see like the projections at two hundred and forty
three carries and run thirty catches, it's like, that's actually
pretty nice. I'm just not sure that qualifies for the
breakout like versus what was last year. But if you
bake in the cost, is Bachel Tuton going to perform
at a level that is dramatically higher than what the
current cost is, That's where I think I fall apart
on this.
Speaker 1: Two and six touches was the most he's ever had
in college by the way, Okay.
Speaker 2: But it's not crazy to be like, Okay, now he's
gonna have two sixty, you know, sixty more touches after
being I just don't think that's like an insane thing
to think about. But I'm not saying that's gonna happen.
And again it is. It's kind of baked in.
Speaker 1: His projection, isn't But he had ninety three last year.
It's just no, no, And everybody can stand up to
that type of beating, that's all.
Speaker 2: But there is no like like Chris Rodriguez is the
guy in front of him, is what I'm getting at,
Like surevation of bacial tutin, it is already baked in
so high. He is four points under quin Shawn Jutkins
in projections and half people are on fantasy pros. He
is projected higher than Traveon Henderson, David Montgomery, Tony Pollard,
Jadarian Price. He's higher than all those guys, so versus
what the expectation already is out there, I agree with you.
I think Chris Rodriguez is going to be a problem.
I don't know if they're comfortable giving him mass workload,
and I think it's gonna be kind of inconsistently frustrating.
I think you mentioned it like I love the Seattle comparison, Like, oh,
two weeks it's Serbonne and then it's ken Walker, and
it's like that to me doesn't signify versus what he
was last year. Yeah, he is sure sure also, Bagan,
that makes me want to sell. The only other running
back in this range is Jadarium Price, who is ECR
twenty seven. Til J's projected a little bit lower. He
was a backup to Jeremiah Love, but there really isn't
a lot of push right now. Sharbon is hurt and
it's kind of like Holdani or him, and I think
a lot of people expect Jerim Price to kind of
run with this. Do you buy the breakout in that
not only will you have the early run, but when
sharbon Ay comes back, he can take on kind of
a ken Walker type role with.
Speaker 1: Sharbonne, Absolutely, and honestly, we don't know what the hell
we're getting from sharboning. He tore his ACL in the playoffs, right,
So when is this dude coming back? Is it Halloween?
Is it Thanksgiving? You know, I think it's probably somewhere
in that ballpark in between there so at the end
of October to the end of November, which means there's
gonna be a big chunk of the season for Jerian
Price is leading the Seattle Seahawks backfield because he's better
than George Hallani, He's better than Emmanuel Wilson, who are
there in front of him. That is why I really
like this landing spot for him is there's no one
in front of him at all challenging him. If Zach
Scharbonay was there, I think Zach Charbonay is. We know
he's a better back than Price. We just don't know
what Price's upside is because even in college, this dude
was blocked yet Jeremiah Love in front of him, and
Jeremiah Love seems to think that he can do most
of the stuff that he can do. That Price can
do most of the stuff that Love can do. So
think I think Price is going to show us more,
maybe in his first season, than he even did in college.
And I think this is he has enormous upside. I
much much rather have Price than I would too. It's
not even close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm with you on that one. This
is a buye So I'm a buy of a Hampton
and Price on the breakout. I'm a sell of Henderson
and touting on the big breakout. When you get into
the sleeper market, I think there's one big name I
want to talk about. We could drop another one or
two in here, but here are the popular names that
you put together as the popular sleepers you RJH. And
this is ranked from like ECR down, by the way,
not any other type of thing.
Speaker 1: R J.
Speaker 2: Harvey as one, Kyle manong Guy, popular sleeper, Blake Korum
popular sleeper, especially when he does a little one leggy
things and people all lose themselves on Twitter, Jakoy Krosky, Merritt,
Jonathan Brooks, Jonah Coleman, k Tron Allen, Nicholas Singleton, and
Damon Claiborne's really far down that you've obviously put some
deeper names on there. I think I'm not interested in RJ. Harvey.
I know you a little bit more are. I think
when Dobbins is healthy is out there. The interesting thing
about the top three, just as a real quick aside,
I think they are all attached to what they can
be if the player in front of them is gone,
like r J. Harvey, if there's no Dobbins. Harvey was
super disappointing next year, maybe less than I'm making that
out to be, but specifically, like Blake Korum. Like Blake Korum,
he's gonna get his run, but he is capped, Like
he can only be so much unless Kyle Williams, unless
Karen Williams is completely gone. Kaman On Guy kind of
the same thing. Any quick thoughts on is there one
guy in there that you think is more of a
sleeper between Harvey, Manong Guy and Korum than the others.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say, like, if all the guys in
front of them go down, I want play Korm by
a million miles because the offense is just so good.
Speaker 2: But that's why, like I think he's the most enticing
of all those players, because a he has his run,
it's a power offense, and be if the guy behind
him goes down, he's he's instantly probably like a top
ten back in the NFL. So that's why, like it's
not even close for me. I would take Korum over
Manoguy and Harvey, and ECR has both Harvey and Manong
Guy over him.
Speaker 1: I mean I would rather have Harvey or Manonguy just
because I don't like the guys in front of him
more like I love Kyron, so I think Kyron sticks.
I don't think this is going to be an issue,
but if and I think Korum gets more run this
year too, because it really seems like, you know, with
adding Miles Garrett and potentially Aaron Donald come back, it
looks like they are going to just be beating people
into the dirt every single week, and then that's gonna
be a lot of late carries for Korm and probably
even Jarqua's Hunter getting involved as well, so lots of
garbage time for him.
Speaker 3: It looks like this year or more than last year anyway.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, all these guys have a chance
to do it if if you know, take out the
guy in front of them, I would have Korm at
the top right now. I have him behind Harvey and
Mano on Guy. I just think that Harvey Amano on
Guy can earn more touches without anything happening to the
guy in front of them. They're just better, that's fair.
Speaker 2: I just think they don't matter. Those touches don't matter.
That's why I'm Quorum over both of those guys. Bill
So the two I think to really focus on Bill
Crosskey Merritt. The Commander's backfield is much talked about right
now because you got Rashad White, who is also I mean,
you didn't put him on here, but I actually think
Rashad White might have.
Speaker 1: But Rashad White's already broken out, so I didn't. I
didn't put him on it. He has already had a
year where he had three hundred touches in the.
Speaker 2: NFL Okay, so I guess.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we've seen the upside.
Speaker 2: The assumption is that people are going to happen, that
that is going to happen this year, So I would
say he is one of those. But people are still
kind of ligning on Bill Krofsky merrit A. Do you
buy Bill Krossky Merritt as a actual sleeper back with
the Commanders this year?
Speaker 1: Nope, And I've gotten hate. I've got to hate for this.
I think he's better for a single season this year
than he would be.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That he is in the future, right I think he
has at least a decent chance to take this shop.
But I think Rashad White is the better back specifically
for this team. So I know that Rashod White is
gonna get all of the receiving chops. I think cross
ky Merit can build himself there. I think that's what
his ultimate goal should be in his career because he's
a little bit undersized. Is to be that that, you know,
third down guy. That's just not what he is right now.
So and I think Kate Tron Allen is a thumper
that is missing from both White and j CM. So
somebody is getting pushed out here. I think it's gonna
be White or Bill and Kateron Allen is gonna have
maybe a goal line or short yardage role.
Speaker 2: So you're a k tron Allen sleeper guy.
Speaker 1: I'm Kate Tron Allen I think is a sleeper in
that what Sea Rod did for them last year, because
they've already mentioned about replacing Chris Rod with h k
Tron Allen. So not that he's a sleeper, like he
could take this backfield and be the best. I think
that is like in the five percent of possibility, Like
way way down the line, if you squint your eyes
real hard, you can see that for k Tron. So
if you're a deeply take a flyer on him.
Speaker 3: I like that. But Rashad White is my guy here,
which means I'm out on Bill Over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm also I think
the most popular sleeper though in the land is Jonathan Brooks.
Everybody has got a story on it, and you know what,
it's fair. Jonathan Brooks is two time acl terror that
sounds more fun than it is, but massively, massively talented
back that the team has not given up on. There's
a lot of potential equity that flows out there. I mean,
obviously what he did in college as well kind of
speaks for itself, and I think why people have like
high expectations, you know, over one hundred yards per game
in college, the average over two catches per game. And
the team also showed an ability that they were not
sold on Schuba Hubbard even though I bought into last year.
Oh it's going to be it. No, they brought in
Rico and the Rico roll with that for a while.
I mean, you're squinting your eyes because you don't believe that.
So I know where you're going with this. I buy
that narrative that I don't think that they had one
hundred percent sell on show.
Speaker 3: And why didn't they go out and get somebody, dude.
Speaker 2: Because they've got because Jonathan Brooks. That's exactly you just
answered the thing why people.
Speaker 1: No, No, you just answered the thing. They do believe
in Cuba because they didn't go get anybody that. Maybe
they believe in Brooks too, but they didn't draft anybody,
they didn't sign anybody. It's it's Brooks and ETN. So
I think they do. I think they believe in both
of them. But I think they do believe in Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, to be fair, I think every I don't
think there's a single team out there that just has
one running back and they're good to go, Like you've
got to have a multitude of bacs. But I think
a they fill a level of comfort with Jonathan Brooks
coming back and his talent. That doesn't mean that they
don't believe that Chuba Hubbard is absolutely nothing. But they
literally straight away from Chuba Hubbard last year with Rico Dattall.
They let him roll with it. Then Rico kind of
started to fail and they brought Cuba back into the fold.
I guess what I'm going I guess this goes both ways.
Just you have to pick your side to it. Do
you believe a that they have enough comfort in Jonathan
Brooks that they think they can let him roll be
the back and maybe roll into that job like Rico did,
Or is it they feel just so good about Chewba
Hubbard they just didn't care about anybody else, like you tick,
whatever narrative you want. I think I lean on the
Jonathan brook side, so I buy him as a sleeper.
It sounds like you don't buy him as a sleeper
because you think this is all all Tuba all day.
Speaker 1: It's not that I think it's all Tuba all day,
but I do think that Cuba is the experience back here.
And last year he heard his calf October first. He
had a hard time recovering from that. And in the
middle of that we saw Rico go nuts with those
two insane games where he had over two hundred combined
yard He was crazy, right, So they gave ricos on
a hot streak. Let's give Rico more so. But they
also let Rico walk and you know, didn't bring him back,
probably because they believe in Jonathan Brooks. But I think
that also means, yeah, we still like Chewba Hubbard, and
let's not forget that Chewba Hubbard the year before when
everybody was riding him off. Twenty twenty four, the guy
had eleven hundred yards almost twelve hundred with ten scores.
He caught forty three balls for one hundred and seventy
one more yards. He had almost three hundred total touches.
It was two hundred and ninety three. So I do
think Brooks works more in than I would probably like.
I understand that. And if he's great, he's great. I
think he was really good coming out of college. But
what we've seen from Brooks is one really dominant year
in college and then two ACL injuries, right, and he
got that one in his dominant year in college. So
we just there's such a small sample size for Jonathan
Brooks zero in the NFL, and he's coming off to
ACL tears and fits and I con, you know, one
hundred rounds on Jonathan Brooks. Here it feels like on
the Dynasty Show, and he is diving deep. He's looking
into all of these doctor's opinions. They think that first
ACL surgery wasn't done well enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard, and that's.
Speaker 1: Why he had to have the second And I hope
that's the case, because that means it's probably less recovery.
There's probably a little more wiggle there than I thought
for Brooks. Brooks looks good in camp. I just I
think we're all forgetting that Chuba Hubbard is a pretty
good back, and I think it's going to it at
best be gross lot like that Seattle situation last year. Uh,
and worst case scenario is everybody's building up Brooks and
he's nothing in Cuba is the guy again, So I'll
be investing in Cuba because I feel like he drops
in every draft I do.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, it's interesting. Last year Cuba Hubbard one hundred
and thirty four rush attempts and Rico Daddle had two
hundred and thirty six. The projections this year do have
Cuba going more, but it's only at two hundred two
hundred and eight, and they've got Jonathan Brooks around one fifty.
So if you do slide that in the other direction,
that's where it opens up some possibilities. I think the
most enticing thing, and why is if you have to
build narratives with sleepers though, Yeah, and then narrative is
can I find a player that is super super low
rank that has the high potential. And when you look
at like this list of guys, you know, korm is
very subjective. Bill Crosskey, I think starts it. I think
Jonathan Brooks is one of the most like.
Speaker 1: He's the most popular running backs and easy click because
like the other guys you put on this list, like
Jonah Coleman, like there's two other backs in front of him.
Speaker 2: Okay, k Tron Allen, there's two backs. There's all these
backs that are in front of everybody. Jonathan Brooks has
one stop and from that's why I also say I
still say I know your case and why you don't
put Rashad White there. I don't think we're we're shot
White had his breakout, But is we're shot White a
sleeper this year? He's a sleeper?
Speaker 3: He is he is?
Speaker 2: If he's a sleeper, if he is worth more than
just the receptions he gets out of the backfield. And
that's the question we have to figure out. Is he
just Austin Eckler in this new offense or could Rashad
White start to get ten to twelve carries per game
in five to six catches and now he's just getting
you know, fifteen to eighteen touches per game in that
offense with Jade Daniels Is does that blow away where
he's being drafted. So I buy Jonathan Brooks. You don't,
Jonathan Coleman, Jonah, I'm sorry, Jonah Coleman, Allen Singleton, Claiborne,
you put Alan as your identified sleeper that you.
Speaker 3: Buy, I mean, Alan, I do buy.
Speaker 1: But let me talk a little bit about dem and
Claiborne here, because he's buried in everything and he's not
a draftable guy in a standard league. But if your
benches are a little deeper, or you're playing a fourteen
to sixteen instead of a twelve, then Demon Claiborne. You
know we just talked about, Oh, there's two guys in front.
There are two guys front, Devin Claiborne. One of them
is Aaron Jones, who is ancient and gets hurt every
single year, and the other guy Shordan Mason, who in
my opinion, is a jag. And we saw the Vikings
have to run a little bit more last season because
the quarterback issues, which made the running issues as well
because of everyone's playing up in the pocket because McCarthy
can't throw the ball. Wentz is hurt and Max Prosmer
sucks right. So like there were issues every game of
the Vikings offense last year. It's why Justin Jefferson took
took such a huge dip as well. I think if
we get back to a little bit normal with Kyler
Murray right, and this offense is at least middle of
the pack, I think there's an opportunity for running backs
here because I went back and looked at the you know,
the when the running back has to face eight or
more men in the box. Right before last year, the
Vikings were bottom ten and under koc every single season.
So if dem and Claiborne has given that he has
so much wiggle that he's got, he reminds me a
little bit of Willie Parker. I don't you know, I
don't I know. We have a younger audience here, but
Willie Parker was like a straight line. But you were
about to ask me if I remember Willie p Well,
I know you remember Willy Parker, but most people, I
think may not remember Willy Parker specifically. You know, anybody
our age will you were you know of watching age
at Super Bowl forty. You definitely remember Willie Parker taking
out one to the house really long. So he's just
a burst guy, right, That's what Devin clay Board did
at Wake Forest. I think if he gets a little wiggle,
he's gone and you have an injured guy and a
jag in front of him in my opinion, in Mason.
So this is a guy that I love to take
a stab at. K Tron Allen's kind of the same way.
You have a chance to earn this without anybody getting
hurt in front of you. He might just be better.
He has the all time Penn State rushing record, right,
he's really good back and he went late because he
didn't test very well. So Bucky didn't test for it
only either m broke out.
Speaker 2: So the only slip pushback I have on this, and
maybe it's the new definition of sleeper, is it's like,
you know, you're saying these names and maybe they're.
Speaker 1: Late names to take a flyer on. These aren't guys
that you draft of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand that, but the problem is is
like I almost think like maybe the idea of a
sleeper now is the player you have to look in season,
because it's like I don't see a path where Devin
clay Born is going to observe Aaron Jones and Jordan
Mason early on in the season. Now, if things happen
Aaron Jones loves to get hurt, It's his favorite thing
on the planet. And then Claiborne gets run. It's like
get you get to be successful in the sleeper when
he's given an opportunity. But like in preseason, do you
want to put focus on players that really have no
opportunity on like taking significant touches to be worth while.
Speaker 1: I think Claiborne could push Mason pretty quick, you know,
because I don't think Mason is anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are people so divided on that. There are
people that are still hardcore Jordan Mason, Truthers.
Speaker 1: They're different players, so you would use them in different scenarios, right,
But I just think I think Claiborne is.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love that you're doing that. I'm
just saying like it's a different version of what a
sleeper is. Like the guys like Coleman Allen Claiborne, to me,
are players that it's not day one. You have to
have a deep roster. You probably can't do it in
like best Balls and stuff like that unless you really
want it unless you really think, like you know, Aaron
Jones and Jordan Mason are gonna fall apart and you
want to have that back out of the year. It's
like the deeper league plays the big super flex leagues, Like,
if you can hold on to these guys on the bench,
it's great, but they might be players. It's like, put
a pin in this end season. You get two games in,
you see Jordan Mason lingering again. I'm sorry, Aaron Jones
lingering with injuries, Jordan Mason ineffective. Then you start to
activate this and being like, hey, listen, this guy starts
to get run because these guys are stinking it's good.
I like this version of a sleeper. I think that's great.
I'm not picking on it at all. I'd actually think
it's really slick because it's better than just being like
a Jonathan Brooks because every goddamn person suits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jonathan Brooks as a much easier path to
playing time for sure, And that's why it's not You
don't have to squint to see the upside.
Speaker 2: And that's the draft target sleeper you're looking for, then
the speculator, but it's keep an eye on those guys.
Because maybe something happens to training camp. One of these
guys goes down and all of a sudden, you know,
Aaron Jones goes down and camp it's Jordan Mason and
Claiborne and then all of a sudden everything changes.
Speaker 1: I'm arguing against Brooks. I have the one spot blows here.
It's not like I'm killing him all right.
Speaker 2: Wide receivers start with the breakouts, then go to the sleepers.
Your breakouts is a big list. I'm actually gonna do
it in halves here. You got Luther Burden at the top,
very very popular breakout. Colonel Tate I don't really think
qualifies for that because he's a rookie, but people are
drafting him. Marvin Harrison hasn't happened, people are looking for it.
Jordan Tyson, same thing, and Tate. I'm gonna kind of
exclude them just because they're rookies. You know, no season
has happened yet for a breakout. Parker Washington high in
that list, Ricky Piersoll, Quinton Johnston, and Josh Downs. Let's
stop there. That ranges from ECR twenty four to twenty
eight six. Wide receivers very popular put on the breakout range.
I want to talk about a couple of these guys
and bugs. Maybe this is going to be a little negative.
I don't think I'm on the Luther Burden train this year.
I think a lot of people are assuming. I think
he's a super talented wide receiver, no doubt about that.
Don't want to take that away, but I mean, dude,
third and yards per route run at two point sixty
eight this year like awesome stuff. But I don't know
the offense is going to move the ball in a
way that is gonna make him be this dominant number one.
I don't roma Dunza has got the injury stuff. You're
a big Roman. Don say guy Colson Lovelin's projections. I
mean I just had a show with Jake who said
his projections have Colson Loveland is a number one tight
end this year. Loveland's gonna get gonna get touches. Romadunza
is not out of this offense. They've got healthy running backs.
You've got a quarterback in Caleb Williams that doesn't want
to make the big mistakes. Throws the ball, you know,
to the sidelines more than anybody. It's making efficient plays,
Like I think Luther Burden is a good receiver, but
I'm not in the camp that Luthor Burden is going
to take this next huge step up that is going
to make him be a wide receiver one in the NFL.
I mean, even in those games, those last four games
or whatever, I think it was still like you, twelve
NCY points per game. I'm just I'm I'm I'm kind
of against it. I'm lower than consensus on Luther Burden.
He's projected seventy two catches, nine point fifty seven five
point seven touchdowns this year, and I just think that's
like adequately priced. So I'm not here for this huge,
massive Luther burdon breakout. But are you so I'm selling?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I am.
Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm the most vocal Luther Burden
person in the world. I think that that is our
buddy bat Fitz Morris is the most vocal Luthor Burden guy.
I do think that he has a chance to score
a lot of touchdowns here, and this is a guy
that's very, very good with the ball in his hands.
I think we're going to see more screens towards him.
I think we're going to see reverses and trick plays
run with him as well, specifically near the goal line.
I think they're going to use them a lot. So
I am excited for Luther Burden. He's an elite level
athlete and I think he's going to fit really well here.
But I absolutely see your point, because you know, I
think there's being a case made for each one of
these pass catchers for the Bears. You're either Camp Burden,
you Camp Loveland, you Camp Roma. Dune say, I think
it goes everyone is. Almost almost everybody's Camp Loveland. I
think there's a lot of people that like Burden more
and Rome is kind of I have these guys separating
by five spots. I have Burden at twenty, I have
Rome at twenty five. I just think that any of
them could pop off and have a true, like way
more valuable season than they were being drafted. I just
don't know which one is the guy. So I'm kind
of lukewarm on everybody. I'm a little more positive on
on Burden than other people are. I'd say I'm probably
a little more negative on Loveland than people are, but
I'm pretty in line with the general thoughts here.
Speaker 2: So one thing I wanted to throw out that this
is really stuck with me. I've had this one sticking
with me for a little bit. I really buy this
what and Deebro, by the way, is playing this really
good piece of like positive Luther Burden. But this in
the five games where he had over fifty percent snap
percentage last year, the average over sixty yards, which was good.
It's where you get some of those crazy metrics like
you know, almost two and a half yards per route run.
He had a decent like first read share, you know,
he was getting first downs and stuff. He only had
an overall fifteen and a half percent target share. And
that's the thing that I'm kind of like sitting with.
The upside maybe is like the same upside we look
at like an Alec Pierce, I think Burden like when
you get it in his hands, he's gone. He's a playmaker.
He can maybe Terry McLaurin is a better comp to
where I'm thinking he is a host where he makes
these big plays. There's some shutouts in here because Roma
Dunda is going to dominate targets. DeAndre Swift gets targets
out of the backfield. Colson Lovelin is going to be
a red zone guy that I think I'm I'm associating
more of a Terry McLaurin to him. So when he
is a wide receiver twenty four, you've got him at
twenty Like, that's the range I think it is.
Speaker 3: I just don't wide receiver to a lower end.
Speaker 2: Yeah for him, For me to be a breakout, I
gotta be like, what's the path where he's like he
cracks the top twelve and I'm I don't want to
say that it's not gonna happen, but there's a lot
of mouths defeat in that offense and I don't see
it happen. That's why I'm sell on that one.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison is always a fun conversation. He's in there
at thirty two, as I mentioned. But I want to
talk about Parker Washington because I struggle with this one.
Speaker 3: Really, I'll fix it, okay.
Speaker 2: Parker Washington is thirty nine on ECR. There's a three
wide receiver system, which I really struggle with. Brian Thomas.
The whole clicking, you know, always clicking with driver Lawrence's
offseason speak kind of gets in my head. But there
is this feature side of what Parker Washington in this
type of offense can and will be, and he is
projected very very high in the rankings. And you tell me,
are you a buy or sell on the Parker Washington
breakout this year and being the number one Jags wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell on the number one jagsparte receiver pretty
heartily with a bullet right, as I like to say
from our guy Thor. But look what did the Jaguars
do in the draft. Who was their first pick? You
remember they went with Nate Porcher, the tight end, the
blocking tight end out of A and M. They drafted
the monster tight end Tannerkozi All out of Houston a
couple rounds after that in the fifth there, and they
signed Brenton Strange to a big extension. This team is
going to copycat a lot of what the Rams did
last year, using a lot of thirteen personnel twelve personnel,
a lot of heavy tight end sets, which means we're
taking wide receivers off the field to do this right.
It could be a nice bonus for Tutin or c
Rod or whoever gets the running back job. We just
don't know who that is, right. I think we're gonna
see tight ends on the field more, which means we're
gonna be going down to one wide receiver. And they've
said in thirteen they want to use Brian Thomas. Right
that has been I don't think Brian Thomas gets every
single snap out of thirteen, but I think he's going
to get the majority of him tventy five percent. Maybe
Parker Washington. They said they're gonna move around. Parker Washington
had an excellent year last year. If he got traded
to Washington, to the freaking Moon, I would put Parker Washington.
But the Jaguars have Brian Thomas, they have they signed
to Kobe Myers to an extension after they signed him,
and Travis Hunter is still going to play on the
offensive side. And you know, I think Brian Thomas is
probably still a little bit better than Parker Washington. If
you want to argue that, I'm fine with it. But
I think Travis Hunter could easily be the best wide
receiver on this team. I think they're gonna play him
more at corner, but who the hell knows. They're crazy
with him. So I just I don't like this situation
at all. I will not be the guy rostering Parker Washington,
because right now he's at a really decent price as
a high end wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 1: There's just no way I think in drafts by the
time we get there, he is going to be going
at that cost. I think he's gonna cost you a
wide receiver three and I'm not. I'm not gonna count
on him, That's all I just am. I don't want
to count Jack Wires wide receivers at all.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: Week ten on Parker Washington was the twelfth highest scoring
wide receiver in the NFL and half PPR. He was
number twelve in scoring for a full second half of
the season. That's what screws me up. It wasn't even
necessarily inflated to like one or two. I mean he
had two duds in there, but he had some strong
outing sixteen points, fifteen points, twenty three points, fifteen seventeen
into the year, really strong. He is a target monster.
He's gonna get his targets. He finished the year super strong.
That's something we want to be beneficial. We give so
many we have so many taste case tests. Jesus, like
Luther Burton finishing you're strong, you have these strong year
ends and then you're like, oh well this guy's gonna
be great. Parker Washington's not giving that benefit of the doubt.
Why I struggle with it, though, is exactly what you
said Travis Hunter is in there. There's a four wide
receiver set potential. Brian Thomas making that step back not
healthy new connections. I mean Trevor Lawrence saying, hey, we
weren't on the same line. I think Parker Washington is
going to be good. I think there's a chance Parker
Washington could be similar to those same comps people give of,
like the Chris Godwin in the offense, like we can
get that range, but it is hard to decipher because
there are four wide receivers for them to eat.
Speaker 1: And I wish it would have but I wanted them
to trade Brian Thomas so bad. It would have made
things much easier here. Like trade Brian Thomas, tell us
you're sticking Travis Hunter on defense and now Parker Washington
Jacoby Myers to the moon. I think they would work
well together. You can move Myers outside, Washington, play the slot.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: I am not with you in the destruction of Parker Washington.
You have him in the fifties of your rank, so
you hate him. I don't think that's correct. But my
problem with this is, like I think he's kind of
adequate if he's in like the mid thirties. Like, I mean,
I guess you didn't really like that, but like, is
it horrible taking the jump on Parker Washington over Michael
Pittman or or Chris Godwin or Jacoby Myers or I mean,
these are the guys in similar ranges. I think like
he's a baseline I probably little bit better in full
PPR for being honest, but half PPR, I think he
can be a wide receiver three to four. So, but
I just don't know where the upside is because I
don't see how he becomes the main guy dominantly over
the rest of those guys, even though that can be
a pass heavy offense. I'm gonna sell this as well.
I'm kind of with you. I did all that to
be a little bit more points with you. Here's another
one similar to that situation. Very popular name is Ricky Piersaw.
Ricky Piersaw comes in an ECR forty six. When the
ball gets in his hands, he runs these great routes
he does. He is big playmaker, but there are a
lot of mouths to feat in San Francisco. Now you've
got Mike Evans, You've got I know, Christian Kirk laughably's
in there, but that's not even counting Christian McCaffrey and
the returning George Kittle. Is Ricky Pearsall actually ready for
a breakout? Are you buying or selling?
Speaker 1: I mean, Ricky Piersoll so tough for me because you know,
obviously missed the time after getting shot is rookie season,
but last year it was more of the knee injury
that bothered him and dogged him all year. Last year
they went out and they add Mike Evans as well.
You know, Mike Evans is going to be the number one.
So Ricky Pearsall I think has a small window to
become dependable.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's however long George Kittle's out, that is your your
window to become dependable, because other than that, Christian McCaffrey's
getting the ball, Mike Evans getting the ball, George Kittle's
getting the ball. So your fourth on the pecking order,
I think most games, unless you do something really impressive
with Mike Evans on the field and Christian McCaffrey on
the field and Kittle miss him, so I want to
buy in. I would rather have Ricky Pearsall than Parker Washington.
I'll say that, but I don't know that. I'm I'm
not making the reach for him. I'm a little higher
than ECR, so I'm a little more positive, but I'm
not making a crazy reach for Ricky Pearsall. So I'd
say I'm lukewarm.
Speaker 2: I think Ricky Pearsall to be a real breakout has
to take a big jump in his value, and I
and I also don't see the path. I think he
could play the Juwan Jennings in this offense. There could
be a couple of games where everyone's like I told
you so here it is. But guess what. Mike Evans
is going to dominate in the red zone when Kittle
is back, He's gonna dominate Christian caffrey dominates McCaffrey if
he averages sixty yards per game, I would be pleasantly
surprised if he can get into that range. I think
it's it's a little bit of a pipe dream because
he's got some injury prone stuff. I don't buy it.
I'm a San Francisco for aner fan. I don't buy
that the breakout is quite here because I think there
are way too many offensive uses. One more breakout amongst
this group, Josh Downs. There's no more Michael Pittman. There's
a little bit of a question on Alec Pierce. Maybe
the biggest question is on Daniel Jones. I'm gonna just
set the table here that I am a bye on
this and I'm I'm having a difficult time with myself,
Bogs because real.
Speaker 1: Quick, real quick, can I give you some news that
has happened over the last couple days. It hasn't happened yet,
but the Colts have talked about maybe potential adding Keenan Allen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that one that's flocking out there. I
wouldn't love it. It hasn't happened yet, so I'm not
going to put that. I'm not going to let that
dictate a rank or anything like that. I think maybe
more concerned about Daniel Jones being super healthy. But if
if this often stays how it is, I buy Alec
Peers and I buy Josh Downs. I think Josh Downs
is going to get a bunch of checkdown receptions. The
targets are going to be through the roof He's gonna
be great in PPR. I think Alec Pierce is a star,
and I'm a little bit worried about the early on stuff.
But if not, I mean nobody out there was higher
a dot higher.
Speaker 1: He was working with Philip Rivers, So yeah, if you
can make it work with Philip Rivers, I think you
can make it work.
Speaker 2: And my point to that is, like, it is such
a good compliment of Tyler Warren and Josh Downs down
the middle, Alec Pierce, deep Daniel Jones having the line
to be able to hold him a great running game.
I like all of it, and I think Josh downs
to the moon. So yeah, I do buy the breakout
is there if they bring into Stephan Diggs or Keenan Allen,
that's going to screw things up and it's going to
put him back into a situation like last year, And
I think that plays a little bit more for the
deep threat option. But as it's built right now, I'm
a buyer of Josh Down's breakdown.
Speaker 3: How about you, I'm luke warm.
Speaker 1: Now, there was some recent stuff that came out that said, hey,
we're gonna move him around. He's not just going to
play the slot positive news. I did move him up
in my most recent update, but my concern is that
he's not great with the ball in his hands. He's
not a mistackles forced guy. He's not going to be
running over a lot of people. He's a small frame guy.
He's kind of a grab it and get the yards
I can and getting tackled by the first guy type
of dude. So I don't think that doesn't provide a
lot of touchdowns either. You have to be you have
to have end zone targets if you're gonna play like that.
So Tyler Warren is also the an over the middle guy. Now,
Tyler Warren can do anything. They can move him anywhere
as well. So and we know Alec Pearce is going
to have a big role, but the bread winner for.
Speaker 3: This offense is obviously JT as long as he's healthy.
Speaker 1: So I am I feel like there should be a
step up, but I would not call it a breakout.
So I don't think Josh Downs is the sleeper. I
think he's going where he should go. There's definitely upside there.
There's more downside than people are giving credit to as well,
So I'm probably out on Josh Downs.
Speaker 2: Popular sleepers. You've got Trey Tucker, Jalen Naylor, Antonio Williams,
with the commanders, Denzel Boston. I'm gonna again, I'm gonna
kind of take out these rookies in general.
Speaker 3: You've got sure.
Speaker 2: Yeh ad Ni Mitchell, Malik Washington, Jalen McMillan, Travis Hunter,
Ryan flornoy uh and Isaac Tesla. I think to the
most interesting one were at the top to talk about
Antonio Williams. I think it's fascinating. Uh if the commander, Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 1: Well, but let's talk about him because he is he's
the one guy that could be the number two in
his offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really the main thing. Why the because
it's not a true breakout, But I think sleeper is
more appropriate for rookies sleep break. Yes, by the way,
so I could have not deleted those guys. I think
sleeper works because if they bring in Stephan Diggs this route,
this doesn't destroy it, but it kind of ruins it.
They're clearly not bringing an Ayuk because he is a
basket case. And right now Antonio Williams is aligned to
be a guy that can be the number two in
this offense. You laid it out, so I mean, I
don't really you kind of wax on it. That's why
I think like he is such a great pick right now,
but it could be ruined if they bring in a
guy like Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 3: I think that's what they're gonna do too.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can depend on Chiga con quote
to be your number two target guy right because right
now it is Terry McLaurin obviously Rashad White in this offense,
and he can play out a wide receiver too if
you need him, which is that's just nice for Rashad White.
It's not really good for their offense or anybody else.
But I think you have to bring in Digs and
that's gonna drop Antonio Williams to the third by a
large margin. But if they don't do it, somebody needs
to catch the ball here outside of t Mac and
Rashad White, I think it's probably Chig as their number
two target guy. But Antonio Williams has a real opportunity
and they said they have said he's looked strong in camp.
He's a very hard worker. I'm I'm pretty excited. He's
a big time recruit as well. He was one of
the biggest recruits of Clemson ever had coming in, so
I do. He's had injury issues, so there's that. But football,
they all have injury issues. So I think Antonio Williams
is a real opportunity as it stands right now. But
of course an opportunity gets buried if they do sign someone.
And I don't know of a team more likely to
sign a wide receiver than the Commanders.
Speaker 2: I cannot quit it, Boggs. I am back in on
the at night Mitchell Sleeper. I did it last year.
It didn't work. I gotta be honest with you. I'm
kind of back back again. He's a big playmaker when
you get the ball in his hands. Unfortunately, I was
looking at like routes run. I'd really love for him
to start having a compliment of something else. Last year
he ran two routes, dude, go and curl. That was
like it. He was like, predominantly go routes and then
curl him up. Gino Smith.
Speaker 3: You forgot about the fumble at the gold line Rounte
that he ran for.
Speaker 2: That's all of that too. Garrett Wilson obviously one of
the leaders in like team target share. He's going to
get tons and tons of targets, but Gino Smith has
the potential to be able to spread the ball around
at Ni. Mitchell is a guy that can make some
big plays. Can I think he's a sleeper in that
he could be relevant this year. He could end up
being like an Alec Pierce type where it's not a
dominant amount of receptions necessarily, but there could be some
big plays. He's got to get the drop issues out.
I'm just still kind of a buyer in deeper leagues
on Adam Mitchell.
Speaker 1: His problem is they drafted Omar Cooper as well, right, Yeah,
so like there's there's a first round wide receiver that
is going to probably command some targets. And I think
Omar Cooper specifically is going to be good in garbage
time because he's that short guy, right, He's going to
be the short yardage guy. He's the Debo Emuel archetype
of a player where you throw it to him. He
is going to make a lot of guys miss and
pick up yards and chunks and he's going to run
short routes. His A dot's going to be low for
a guy with you know, not good vision or accuracy. Now,
in Genel Smith, so I think a lot of that
garbage sign specifically when the Jets are getting the brains
kicked in at the end of games, I think that's
going to go to Omar Cooper, which is going to
eat an ad Nin Mitchell. I think Mitchell is going
to have to provide his touchdowns. I just don't know
that those come from the Jets, so I'm probably out
on that.
Speaker 2: And I I mentioned Lake Washington McMillan hunter Flornoy is
a very popular one. Ryan Florinoy with the Dallas Cowboys
definitely got some run when CD was out. He looks
like he's aligned to be the three wide receiver. They
want to run more three wide receiver sets. I think
the sleeperness to him aligns if you get Lamb out again.
If one of these wide receivers is out, it's I'm
going to be inserting any into my lineups, and I'm
going to have him as a starter wide receiver three.
If one of them's out, I think you can still
get some productions as a three though by yourself. Florinoy
is a sleeper.
Speaker 1: I'll buy him as a sleeper. I think you could
put him in Tesla in that same type of a
bucket where it'sa and you probably make that. You make
these guys pickups instead of ads unless your benches.
Speaker 3: Are real deep.
Speaker 1: But you know, Floroy is getting a ton of buzz
out of Cowboys camp right now, which just entrenches him
as that number three, which is a great spot to
be with Dak and either Pickens or Lamb, either one
of those guys gets hurt, you have another guy taking
a number one. On the other side, you have a
lot of targets their pass heavy offense, and Tesla kind
of the same way. I think Tesla probably has more
like regular game if everybody's healthy upside than Florinoy does
because he can make those acrobatic catches in the end zone.
He did it a bunch last year. It's another reason
why I don't really care for Laporta. I'm not as
high on Jamison Williams as other people are as well,
because it do you think the ball gets a little
bit spread around, And we know a manra is mouth
number one gives his mouth number two, so all these
dudes are playing for three. So I just think the
other sleepers that I like that are just absolutely buried.
I want to just mention real quick at wide receiver
Chris Bell coming off an ACL entry at Louisville, so
he's going to be buried. He wasn't even the first
wide receiver with the Dolphins drafted, but I think he's
the most talented. You oh, the guy I kind of
like Jack Besh on a bounce back with a more
accurate white quarterback in Fernando Mendoza probably playing a lot
of the slot Tucker Naylor or Besh. One of those
guys is going to jump up. But I'm just these
are deep sleepers.
Speaker 2: You want to hear a sick one that I'm in?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: Let's hear a sick O one, Tank dell back into
I know it's a stick O one. Yeah, I think
I think I'm there.
Speaker 3: Obviously think Jalen Knowle's better, though you don't like Jalen Nole.
Speaker 2: No, There's been a lot of stuff. There's a really
funny interaction that happened. I forget who the analyst was,
but they posted out there like nol is the number
two or no Higgins skimbt two and Nole's a three
and Tank dell Over quoted like you know, quote tweeted
the eyes and whatever, and I know it makes it sick.
And I think Knowle's a good receive. I like Higgins.
I like Higgins down the middle is a good as
a maybe even in some of that deeper play, Knowles's
was really interesting in the red zone. But I do think,
like if you take the injury out for a second,
because I think the immediate thing is to be like, well,
you know, there's just injuries and blah blah blah. I
think that's a super talented guy. Yeah, in twenty twenty
four fifteen games. Played eight of those games he had
five or more targets. He made big plays. He can
be a touchdown guy. He can spread the field. CJ.
Stroud absolutely loves him, and that's the other like dominating thing.
When he was hurt. He's wearing shirts of him out there,
like these guys are like best friends. And I just
think if Tank is healthy, he's starting to There are
some I think it's a big question. He was in
some of those early camp things before training camp started
looking good, running routes. He's out there, he could have
his he's in front of him. He has moved down
the depth chart. I think it is too early to
call him off. It have to be a deep league play.
Maybe training camp make this change a little bit, but
it is tough because Higgins and Noel are both really
good wide receivers. I just think it's too crazy to
think that, you know, you're not going to see Tank
Dell in some of this year.
Speaker 3: I love Tank Dell.
Speaker 1: He's such an outstanding route runner, kind of like a
mini Tyreek Hill, and Tyreek Hill is pretty many, you
know what I mean. I think the problem and you
don't watch the injuries, but that was one of the
worst leg snaps I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but go back and watch the OTAs, watch thet
He's actually moving. It's not like you know, like Alec
Pierce right now in Ota better be moving.
Speaker 1: He missed all of twenty twenty five because he got
hurt at the end of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: I know. And that's why, like I'm I'm just putting
a pin in it that I think like he might
be a sleeper this year because he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Think there's any difference between him and Jack Besh. That's
the same dart throw, right, That's why Dark you like
and Houston is a much.
Speaker 3: Better offense than the Raiders.
Speaker 1: So you know what, I don't I love the take
because you have to, especially in a deep league, you
gotta take a dart throw somewhere.
Speaker 3: That's that's the dart throws exactly.
Speaker 2: Let's jump over to the quarterbacks, Quarterback, breakouts, quarterbacks, sleepers,
a little bit more conversation. Potentially in the breakouts, though
you know you can always adjust. Quarterbacks might be the
one position where you can start to kind of adjust
because there's less guys and you can be like, hey,
the you know, a top ten player at the position
actually can be a sleeper. So there's some conversation. But
the it's actually funny because it's like the list we
have here is actually a little bit more like sleepers
and deep sleepers than it is like breakouts and sleepers,
because all of these quarterbacks, these first group are going
to talk about, are outside the top twenty. So whether
we are sleeping on them or they can break through
into being a top quarterback. The three probably the most
popular names that aren't a rookie are Tyler Shuck, who
is ECR twentieth at quarterback last season averaging almost fifteen
points per game, really strong into the season twenty three
hundred yards and eleven games. Malik Willis number two he
is ECR Quarterback twenty one, moves over to Miami, very
efficient in short periods of time, huge runner, horrifically bad
team around. And then number three cam Ward cam Ward
ECR twenty four, gets some more weapons, all the talent
in the world. Can they mesh together? And is there
an offensive piece together? You also wrote for Nanda mendoz
In here rookie kind of maybe against the grain a
little bit if this is like the breakout potential. But
what do you think here, Tyler Schuck, Malik Willis, cam Ward.
I highlighted Malik Willis and cam Woard because they gotta
be honest with the bogs. If I am, and this
might be uncrazy, but it's like, if I am banking
on one of these guys for a sleeper, I'm making
them Malik Willis, like, I like what Tyler Shuck did.
I like the weapons. I mean chrysal he got the
ball to chrysal Lave. I like them having Etian. I
really shouldn't. I don't want this to sound negative because
I think they've got tight ends. You know. Jordan Dyson
Tyson is great in there. I like the running backs,
I like the grouping in there, but Malik Willis has
a little bit of that like Kyler Murray in it,
where it's like they look under ranked, but you know,
if they're performing at the level of just starting and playing,
it's gonna be hard for them to not be like
a top twelve quarterback every single week. Because Milik Wills
is probably gonna be running for his life, They're probably
gonna have a lot of offensive series. It'll probably be
if Devon ah Han is going to be a successful
as people think and still involved in the passing game,
there's gonna be a lot of yak and a lot
of throws down low, and Milik Willis is going to
have to do it a lot with his feet, so
like by virtue of that, maybe it's going to be
a disaster, but he's kind of a relatively efficient quarterback
not doing crazy stuff, and you don't have options to
do crazy stuff with that. I think Malik Willis is
even if it's like a buck eighty one touchdown, he's
probably going to be running for fifty sixty yards every
single game, and it's gonna have rushing upside So for me,
even though Tyler Schucker think is a much safer option
in the breakout world, Malik Willis is my guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, one hundred percent agreed, and I think I
don't have too much to add to what you just said.
It is the rushing upside. That's why we want Malik Willis, right,
and they're going to be down His wide receiver corps
is not great right now. They're going to have to
parse through that and see who is going to stand
out above the rest. But we're going to see a
lot of running him. Malik Willis at Liberty, and yes,
Liberty is a small school, it's a lower level all
of that stuff. Liberty Liberty he ran for nine hundred
and forty four yards as a junior and eight hundred
ninety one yards as a senior, with fourteen twenty seven
rushing touchdowns over those two seasons. So you know, and
he was recruited to Auburn, just couldn't crack the starting lineup,
transfer to Liberty and wound up starting for two years
and then got drafted right, so he sat behind Jordan
Love for a couple of seasons. I think he looked
good in those starting spots.
Speaker 3: As well.
Speaker 1: So yes, I know that people are concerned about the
lack of pretty much everything for the Dolphins. I mean,
time of possession is gonna be bad because the defense
is bad. They're gonna get run on. Milake Willis is
gonna have to He's probably gonna throw some picks at
the end of games because you know, they're just trying
to come back and things like that. So it may
not look perfect, but I think he's gonna have a
lot of rushing upside, and I think we're overlooking that
a little bit. Tyler Schuck finished off the year great.
They added weapons in uh you know, Jordan Tyson, Bryce,
Lance Travis, etn. So I think that there's a lot
to like there with that offense. I just I would
rather give me the rushing upside at this point, either
in a super flex as you QB two or as
your backup quarterback. I want the upside. There's plenty of
guys below these dudes that I think are still stable.
Take Malik Wills and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you know what I didn't notice. I
didn't actually look at your I didn't realize you had
Malik Willis over Tyler Schuck which I also do. I
thought that was maybe a little hot takey, not in
this room. In every other room it might be, but
not not in this room. Tyler schuk is projected higher
than Malik Willis, but there were within like fifteenish points,
so you know that could be maybe one game. I
think some of it is what you're talking about, Like
I want to say, of the starting quarterbacks, Yeah, there
is no quarterback projected. There's actually one quarterback that I
can see that's a that we know as a starter
right now in Banana Mendoza. No other quarterback is projected
for less passing touchdowns than Malik Willis, so that's probably
hurting him. What do you think the projected Yeah, and
that is fair, But what do you think the rushing
Give me the projected rushing numbers.
Speaker 3: Six hundred yards and six touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Close six twenty eight rushing but only four rushing touchdowns. Okay,
so if you were to put six or seven rushing
touchdowns on there, that's going to put him probably more
in the boggings doing the hand thing, like in the
Jared Goff range of what jar Goff is projected, and
that puts him in as like a decent super option.
I think Tyler Shuck is safer and that here's where
I would go. I'm a buying floor. I'm a buy
on the breakout of Tyler Shuck in that he is
going to be a good value. I think, a really
good option for super flex. I think Malik Willis has
some upside. Frankly, if you wanted to push it up
a tiny bit, I think maybe the most popular like
sleeper or breakout quarterback. It's tough because they're not really
a breakout. It's probably better termed value. It's like Kyler Murray.
You know, Kyler Murray is like in like sixteen or
seventeen range, and he could easily be a top ten
guy as a starter. I think he's been like a
top seven quarterback. But outside of that, I think those
are two popular names. Just as a real quick hit.
And then I will throw out a couple of the
sleepers you put if there really is one at quarterback
buyer sale. Cam Ward is a breakout option.
Speaker 1: Bye, I buy cam Ward, And I just think that
you know, we're we've improved the offensive line in Tennessee.
We've got much better pass catchers. It's you know, uh,
you go out and you draft Carnel Tate with the
number four overall, picky Calvin Ridley back for an entire season,
and this is Ward in his second year. And Ward
is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen. He's
the first guy in, last guy out type of a deal.
It's definitely not work ethic that is keeping cam Ward back.
So I think with better surrounding weapons around him, he
will be much improved. So I'm buying on cam Ward.
Speaker 2: Last year as a QB two seventeen. Okay, well, that
wasn't what I asked because I because I'm gonna sell
because I don't know that there I don't know that
there's a ton more upside. He threw for thirty one
hundred yards, played seventeen games, fifteen touchdowns, seven picks. He
didn't only rush for one hundred and fifty nine yards.
What I think I may more is like, is there
a potential production upside yet? Like he could go up
a little bit, but from can he break out further
beyond where he is? I don't. I don't think he
is going to jump into the inside the top twenty.
That's a lot of guys that would have to fail
that would have to be a lot like Ken Is
he going to be better than Sam Darnold, who I
know is boring, but just core player? Better than Tyler's
I mean de penning where you are in ranks, Kobe Brissett,
maybe Baker Mayfield falls down?
Speaker 1: C J.
Speaker 2: Stroud Is. Can we count on him more than that?
I just don't think so. I don't think that offense
is I'm gonna sell try could he be? Is he
a good light option? If you played super flex and
you screwed up and you didn't get the high end
guy or you didn't get Schucker Willis or whatever, and
now you're staring at cam Ward versus Daniel Jones or
Bryce Young, Like sure, that's where I'll go in on
cam Ward.
Speaker 3: But is where we get like the true movement?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Give me that as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm with you. The Sleepers you wrote down for Nanda
Mendoza rookies and get opportunity. We just don't know if
I had Away Shador Sanders, Carson Beck, Anthony Richardson, Riley Leonard,
Katie Clubnick, you tell me, like I think this is
a position.
Speaker 1: Out of this group, Like Okay, I just I think
Watson is worthless. I think it might be a better person.
He's a football player at this point, which is a
terrible thing to say. So I just I don't think
he's any good and I think Chador is much much
better than people give him credit for. So I think,
with all these added weapons, if Watson doesn't get it
done real quick, let's go back to shore and see
what he has with actual weapons and an on line
that can block. Because people want to give him a
hard time for last year, and here's probably a lot
of people that just already didn't like him coming in.
But the dude is talented and I think he's the
best quarterback on the roster right now, and I think
he gets more starts than Watson by the end of
the year. So out of this group of the Maybies,
it's definitely shitt or for me.
Speaker 2: So to me with that screams is because I don't
think the I really don't think the breakout, and I
don't really think the Sleepers qualifying single quarterback leagues. For
this conversation, I think what you simply have to do
is you have to be like, yeah, I'm going to
take a late quarterback. I take a Kyler Murray, and
Kyler Murray becomes a top ten guy. It's not really
a sleeper, it's not really a breakout. It's a good value.
This conversation becomes a little bit more now too. I
say all of that, and like Drake may was a
good value comparative to last year, and that was the breakout.
I just don't see that power for the closest person
who actually could do the breakout of Jackson Dart. Take
him at ten or eleven at quarterback and he becomes
a top five guy. So what I'm getting at is
a lot of this then goes to the super flex range,
and you're talking about players that can be worthwhile, you know,
going from twenty five to fifteen. Sanders as a sleeper
to you, like the third quarterback you take in a
flex knowing I don't need a guy for the first
four or five weeks. Or is that two risk because
like that's I think I think that's even risky. I say,
I think that's a litmus test to a true if
you think he's going to be a guy that happens
in the latter half.
Speaker 3: Of the season.
Speaker 1: So that's not that's not a litmus test that's a
it's bad drafting strategy. You cannot, like you could roster
George Sanders in a super flex. You're not taking him
in twelve minute any point, so KiB at any point,
but you can roster him in a super flex as
you're four. I don't want him as I don't want
any of these guys as a three, because I think
Carson Beck is going to start a handful of games.
Then kak Klubnik is going to start a handful of games,
and but none of these guys can be counted on, yeah,
you know, especially to start the season. So if I
want a third quarterback, it's not gonna be out of
this group unless I really screwed up.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to tight ends here, a
little bit more of a fun group. I think there's
it's really kind of like one big major guy. Let's
do this because I think there's a tier of a
bunch of players that could fit that range. But let's
just talk about Colson Lovelin in that nor is he
a sleeper, a breakout or anything, But it's getting treated
like that, like you can't call a guy a breakout
when they're the third tight end on ECR. Yet there
doesn't seem to be a comfort level. You know what
I'm saying. You gave me an eye there, but like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's still a breakout because because
he just hasn't had I mean, last year he had
seven hundred and thirteen yards six touchdowns.
Speaker 3: It's a fine year, but that's not like elite level years.
Speaker 2: But you're paying the third overall tight end. You're paying
a top forty overpaying. Yeah, he to overperformed relatively dramatically
last year to even be worth the pick, and I
did at that he's going to take another step then
that's where he can actually move past it. So that's
what's kind of tough about it really, just to since
he's his own beast, I just want to throw at
you where what is your take on him over? I
know we have talked about him a little bit again,
I did it. Just did a show with Jake where
Jake essentially said his projection system pushed out Loveland as
the number one tight end in fantasy. He feels weird
about it, but he's not taking it off. And we
in the same show it was the Targets by Round.
It's a short form you can find a fantasy pros.
He put his fourth round target the player that you
should take in the fourth round as Colson Loveland, So like,
where are you at on Loveland? Because again this is
a weird spot because you did write this expected to
break out. He's expected to break out, which is true
because he is the third fricking tight end and a
top forty overall player.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't break out, he has his same type
of year he had last year. Everyone a draft and
him will be disappointed.
Speaker 2: Big bust potential. I just got to throw We're doing
bus in the next episode. Just want to throw out
like he is not an expected bust player. But the
one of the biggest ways to find an expected bust
player is a player.
Speaker 3: That has that hasn't broken out and is very costly.
Speaker 2: Exactly, that has not reached the current draft expectation and
they have to overperform by a large degree from what
they did the prior year just to return value. And
that's why Loveland could be a big bust.
Speaker 1: I have Loveland in his own tier, right, so this
is what I do. I go Bowers McBride, Loveland is
Tier two, and then I have another group of titles.
I like, so to me, Loveland is by himself. I
expect the breakout, you know what I mean? Like, uh,
we were talking about Burden earlier, between Burden and a dune, say,
getting more targets, Yeah, but most of those I think
should go Colson Loveland's way from DJ Moore leaving. So
I expect him to have you know, eighty catches eight
hundred yards and he scored how many he had six
touchdowns on fifty eight receptions last year. You can get
up to ten. It would not be shocking to see
him as tight end one. It would be shocking in
that you know, McBride and brock Bowers both probably underperform
in that scenario. But I mean, there is so much
upside for Loveland, and like you said, there.
Speaker 3: Is some downside though.
Speaker 1: So I'm not as high as other people are on Loveland,
but I'm pretty I'm pretty high on them, so own tier.
Speaker 3: To me, he is tier two of tight ends in
my opinion.
Speaker 2: His projection is seventy seven catches, nine hundred yards and
six point seven touchdowns, and that has him seventeen points
below Bowers. I'm sorry, I'm on standards. Hold on, ooops,
let me look at half ppr. It is well still
same numbers, but that is roughly twenty six points below
Bowers nine points above the next person. I guess it's
it feels like the wiggle room is different because if
you get your touchdown equity that you just said would
put him close to Bowers as a number two. Yeah,
but if he does the first number you said, where
it's closer to eight hundred yards little less catches.
Speaker 3: How many hans they have Bowers? Do you see that?
Speaker 2: Huh? How many thinks?
Speaker 1: Is it under one hundred and forty? Yes, he might
have one hundred and fifty catches this year? Else is
catching the ball in Vegas ninety stay healthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety six. Bowers Cleveland is seventy seventy seventy seven.
But I guess what I'm saying is like, if the
touchdowns don't come and the yards are a little bit
closer to like where they might have paced out for
last year, and it is I think you off handedly
said like eight hundred, he might score under Warren and
under Pits and he might end up being like tight
end five. So that's why it's like kind of a thin.
Speaker 1: Thin We're gonna find out where the touchdowns in Chicago
are going to go because I think they can go
many many different ways, and that is really going to
determine which one of these guys I think steps up
the most. Like if they're giving him to manang guy
down at the goal line, then he's going to step up.
But if Burden is getting him in Loveland isn't, then
it's Burden, but it could easily be Lovelin.
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know where those are gonna go.
Speaker 2: I think Warren is kind of in that he's his
own tier too. If you wanted to do like Bowers
and McBride tier Loveland tier, then Warren's almost his own tier.
Maybe you don't feel the same. He's not. He to me,
he's just like Loveland. Like I think there's a high expectation.
It's the cost is less. He's projected nine less points
than Lovelin. You have Michael Pittman out if they don't
bring anybody else in kind of what we said about
Josh downs, like they like to they're just Warren in
like goal line situations, they'll hand him off the ball.
He's a kind of good safety net option. Like I
think Warren has as much upside as Loveland. And that's
why I said, and that's why like I'm less likely
to probably pay the price of now of Loveland becomes McBride,
I'm just gonna eat that. But like it's a similar situation.
You've got two decent pass catchers. You got a guy
like Daniel Jones, though, that wants to get the ball
off quicker and even more. And I think that's gonna
lead maybe full PPR a little bit better to Warren.
But the touchdown equity is what is projected for him.
If he had got that extra touchdown, he's almost in
the exact same projection of Loveland. So just throwing this
out here, like I'm probably a little bit more apt
to take Warren than I am to pay the higher
cost on Loveland.
Speaker 1: That last part I think I agree with, Like Warren
is gonna be a better buy than Loveland.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Now I'll say that I don't know that the ceiling
is as high for Warren, and Warren really could be
death by a thousand cuts to a like a normal year.
Like if Daniel Jones takes a little bit longer than
we think coming back, that's gonna hurt. If they do
sign Keenan Allen. That's gonna hurt. If Josh Downs takes
a step up that he hasn't yet, that's gonna hurt.
So there are little things that are knowing. But the
biggest thing that Warren has going for him is getting
rid of Pittman.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of targets going and the fact that
Warren can literally line up at any position.
Speaker 3: He played quarterback if you want so.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have a lot of interesting move
things with Tyler Warren this year. And the real upside
is this dude could score so many touchdowns. You can
use him at the goal line, yeah, any any way
that you want. So, yeah, there's I think the last
thing that you said is the most correct thing where
it's Warren is probably going to be a better value
than love one.
Speaker 2: Yeah Warren, But I mean, I know leveland caught on later.
Warren did average of about a full point more per game,
but that's you know, you probably have to look more
at like the ending of the year. But that's also
not fair to Warren because of the injuries. Some likely
sleeper targets at the tight end position. Sleeper kind of
there's a little bit of slash breakout that's in there too,
but let's just use sleeper as the term you got
dalton kin Kid has been a very popular option both ways,
very polarizing. ECR of ten Isaiah Likely is probably going
to be the tight end a jour of this episode
e CR fourteen. You and I are both higher on him.
I think people are torn on Gatston. You put Gatson
on here, but I think there's a lot more people
busting him than anything else. I've seen a little bit
of a j Barner, Terrence Ferguson has popped up and
and probably the deepest of deepest that is very very
fantasy pro prevalent is Greg Dultice.
Speaker 3: You can just say Andrew Erickson prevalent.
Speaker 2: It's not just Ericson, it's all of them. But Ericson
is the number one biggest pusher of Greg Dulgic. But
Kin quick thought unlikely. I want to sere a Kinkaid.
I want to talk about Likely, and then we'll do
any passing thoughts here. But are you a buyer seller?
Because I think it was Tara terror Roberts one episode
I did with her and Jake tore into the bills
and hates King Caid and essentially was like, there's no
scenario where I'm drafting Kinkaid and he is the tenth
tight end off the board. I'm noticing your rank now,
which makes me feel you are in a similar light.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I just he's so frustrating.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: He's so talented, but he barely was on the field
for over fIF of the snaps most games. I think
it was four games over fifty percent of the snaps
last year. And Brady is the head coach, but he
was also the OC last year, so I just don't
know that much changes for Kinkaid. They love Jackson Hawes
as a blocker. Dawson Knox they still like as well,
so they're gonna mix those three tight ends, which makes
Kinkaid incredibly frustrating. So I don't think Kid takes a
step up until he moves two different teams. So I'm
gonna be out on Kinkaid.
Speaker 2: Let's do the likely one because I think Isaiah likely
is the most popular sleeper tight end. People either love
him or hate him. I've seen you were the first
one that kind of put my eyes on that your love,
but I have seen multiple people in this same like
Isaiah likely to the moon type of thing.
Speaker 3: All followers of me, Yes, probably.
Speaker 2: You've got it at nine, he's fourteen. We obviously know
the big playmaking ability. You can't really look at the
numbers last year, but you look at an offense that
you know it's gonna obviously run through Jackson Dart and
probably heavy passing, but you've got you know, maybe like
Neighbors missing time, and you just got likely, who's a
guy that can play, whether it's like inside stuff or
you can screen pass and let him do with his
legs like Baltimore did, like he is gonna he's gonna
be very interesting this year. So you are clearly a
bye of Isaiah, likely as a sleeper because you are
the conductor of that train.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just no more Mark Andrews to ruin this for him, right,
and he steps into a pass heavier team than Baltimore,
which I mean, we'll see what Baltimore does now that
they're changing their offense. And I do think that with
Matt Naggi, you know you're probably going to see a
decent run game from the Giants, at least a better one.
Cam Scattaboo and Tyrone Tracy back there. But who is
we did this before. Who's the number two? Who is
going to be second in targets on the Giants this year?
Speaker 2: Right? I said, like Scattaboo. I was like cam scatt
that was.
Speaker 1: Probably Tyrone Tracy, But it's gonna be Likely, dude, Like
Malik Neighbors, is you number one by a country mile?
Speaker 3: Right? Who is too?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Maybe Malachi Field's rookie.
Speaker 1: They signed Dowt Know Mooney, Like, it's all these journeyman
type of wide receivers on this roster, and they spent
the money on Likely. I think Likely is here to
catch passes from Jackson Dark. That's the whole point of
his game. He's not here to block, he's not here
to do that stuff. He is here to make plays.
So I think that's what he's gonna do. And I
have him in my top ten tight ends. He's number
nine for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I buy that. The other guy, well, there's actually
one other I want to do this. Well, No, it's
too the Gregdults thing. He's the lowest further down there.
He's like thirty seven on ECR. You are higher on him.
Ericson is super high on him. I think Erickson might
be coming from a little bit of a like high stakes,
too tight end, like f FPC type of thing when
you talk about him, because like I see that type
of stuff and I'm like, oh, that's fun, that's cool,
But like, okay, give me this scenario where that makes
sense that you have to roster him, Like are you
really going to pick him over Jake Ferguson, You're gonna
pick him over even Mark Andrews, Like You're just not
gonna do it. So to me, it only lives in
that world, Like maybe I'm wrong, Maybe Malik Willis will
only know that Dolts exists and will throw him nine
passes a game and it'll be a whole nother ballgame.
But that offense is going to struggle. We don't know
how it's gonna move downfield, and I think you'll get targets,
but I struggle to find the consistency of how I
would pick him over a Ferguson, And that's my test,
that's kind of my litmus test when we talk about
That's why I picked on the running back thing. Where
it's like it's cool when we talk about these, but
like if there isn't a scenario where you can actually
roster them it's just you know, I don't know, it's
just kind of being right or whatever. But in an
FFPC format you can because it's like one point five
per reception to a tight end and you want to
own a premium, then it's a whole nother ball game.
Or if you're playing in a two tight end like whatever,
fish bowl, whatever type of thing, that's different. But it's
just like to me, like, does it crack the top
fifteen for you have them dramatically higher, but you still
only have them at twenty five. You don't even have
them in the twelve team as a starting tight end
and if you start two tight ends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand the thought process behind him, and it's
a lot of what I just said about likely.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You look at this Miami Dolphins roster and you go,
who the hell is catching the football for this team?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like? Who is going to do it? So Dulca should
see career highs in everything this year?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know, is he that talented?
I think he's fine. He's a good pass catcher. Do
I want to put him up into the top fifteen
yet I'm just not there, So prove it to me first.
But I'm not I'm not adult such guy. I'm not like,
I'm not like the other guys. But it's do I
think he's gonna have a great year. Yes, better year
than he's ever.
Speaker 2: Had, better year than he's ever had. Yeah, because opportunity
this is built a lot then and that might be
a good streaming option. There's one guy I think you
left off this list, and I think this is maybe
number two in the likely streets is Chicka Kong Quo.
And maybe in your brain you're like, well, he kind
of I don't think he's ever broke out, he's never
done this type writing. And he goes to a team
that we've talked about in Washington that doesn't have a
whole lot. I mean, Rashad White might dominate, but like
he gets to be like the guy. He gets to
go in be a good pass catcher who can make
some plays. They don't have a lot of receiving options
right now. Were talking about Antonio Williams is the number two,
and I think Chick is one of those guys that
there's some pretty high expectations. So I ask you, since
he didn't make this list, are you by your cell
that Chicka Konko is going to break out this year.
Speaker 1: I would buy I have him at fifteen. Do we
know what his ZCR is? I don't have it in
front of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually was just looking at his projection and
do you want to hear where his projection is? Though?
Speaker 3: Can I guess it? Let me guess it.
Speaker 2: Do you want to guess the number or where he is?
Speaker 3: No, I want to guess the numbers, so you could
tell me where he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, I'm going to let you guess the
numbers first, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say sixty catches, seven hundred yards and
four and a half touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Very not close. Okay, that's why you're going to be
surprised about this. He is projected fifty three catches, five
sixty seven yards not close there, and two point seven touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I perfession is what he's done.
Speaker 1: I'm not just four fifty two fifty six that I'm
just I just want to go over his last three
seasons fifty four fifty two to fifty six, five twenty eight,
four seventy nine, five sixty one two two that that's
his catches, yards in touchdown So, uh, I think that's going.
Speaker 3: That has to improve In Washington.
Speaker 2: He is tighten twenty on ECR, but he is tightened
twenty six on projections and Greg Dulcic is higher projected
than he is below Kenyon, Sadik cade Aughten, AJ Barner,
Pat Fryarmouth. He's below all those guys, and that is
a player that I agree. This is what projections does.
It does build a lot around like prior production, but
it's just an interesting spot where it's like they're gonna
need playmakers to check my.
Speaker 1: Inn As the commanders stand right now, those can't be
a conquos numbers. If they signed Digs, which we both
kind of think they do, then may lead. Those are
his numbers. But I still think this is the best
quarterback that he's ever played with, definitely in Jaydeon Daniels, so.
Speaker 2: I mean played with.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is the best offense he's ever been in.
So I think he's gonna have a much better year.
And right now they said he's looked great in camp.
So in those early OTAs rather Jig.
Speaker 2: Or Pat Firemouth Chig Yeah, easy easy, I don't know
if it's let's relax there, guy easy. I do like
that in a more vertical offense here, but I have
I have Pat Firemouth at twenty nine. I've got Hawkinson
or Jig. Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: I got Jig over Kincaid, I've got him over Gadson
and Strange, Sewan Johnson, Hunter, Henry, I have him over
some big tight ends.
Speaker 2: That's a breakout there. So you are seller of the dultcic,
buyer of the Chig, buyer of the likely, and there's
a few other fun names out there, but I think
those are the big common ones, and those are all
the players. It's a ton of players, from the expected
breakouts to the are they sleepers? A different take on
kind of this process, and hopefully you guys enjoyed just
kind of picking apart a lot of the common names
that you see in the buyer sell range of them,
and then you know, float out. We've will float out
a couple names you obviously have got. You got one
for Ca Tron Allen. I got one for Tank Dell.
That's still floating out there, so we'll see how it materializes.
Who are your guys as sleepers? Let us know who
you loved, who you hated, and who we didn't talk
about that we should have that are the sleepers. But
it's coming back around because the next episode we're gonna
do the bus probably be a little bit less of
an episode because there was a lot to cover here
and we're not gonna I don't know if we're gonna.
I guess it is kind of a positional thing, but
it's be a little bit easier to get through buss
or kind of a whole different conversation here. We'll talk
a lot of more about the potential like I did
with Loveland. Like Loveland not saying he is a bus
or anything like that, but if you're looking from the
perspective of like what does a player have to do
to just return value, it's it's almost a negative ev
market with Lovelin, like he can get there, but it's
just a lot more of a push. So we'll talk
about that from a positional standpoint on the next episode.
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