Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and fifty three.
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Speaker 3: You've probably seen people with very short backswings, So if
Speaker 3: you can actually create.
Speaker 4: A little bit more of a backswing, you're going.
Speaker 3: To have a much more fluid fallow through and that
Speaker 3: just adds ten to fifty to twenty yards. And as
Speaker 3: I've been doing this now for six years, have slowly
Speaker 3: increase my driving distance like aboute five to ten yards
Speaker 3: every year. And that's an accumulation of all the flexibility stuff,
Speaker 3: of all the balancing on trying to get my shoulders
Speaker 3: a rotate a little bit farther, sort of like lessening
Speaker 3: my upper back muscle mask because I'm not training really
Speaker 3: heavy and during a summer anymore like I do during
Speaker 3: the winter for when I ski, and it's just basically
Speaker 3: bouncing out and trying to do things that are applicable
Speaker 3: for your bent over is one of the hardest things
Speaker 3: on back compared to doing exercises where you're standing up right,
Speaker 3: and when you go on golf posture.
Speaker 4: A lot of people can't stay in golf posture.
Speaker 3: They have either a c spine it's very rounded, or
Speaker 3: it's overextended, and it's almost like a hyper extended state,
Speaker 3: and that creates tremendous pressure in their back and a
Speaker 3: lot of guys stand up and as soon as you
Speaker 3: stand up, you've lost your swing.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and thirty seven rounds by September first in
Speaker 1: Canada with Michael Hammel. This is Golf Smarter. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Golf Smarter Podcast.
Speaker 4: Michael, thank you, Gred. Finally great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Well, finally, you know, it's so funny that I'm welcoming
Speaker 1: you to the Golf Smarter Podcast. You're very familiar with
Speaker 1: this program, aren't.
Speaker 4: You, Yes, I've listened to it. I thinks it's day one.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's seedback you and I have to tell you
Speaker 1: how much I appreciate the friendship that we've developed on email.
Speaker 1: This is the first time we're speaking, but you've you've
Speaker 1: kept me up to date on your game, You've kept
Speaker 1: me up to date on the weather, and it's really
Speaker 1: been fun. I really enjoyed getting to know you this way.
Speaker 4: It's been great.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you are definitely responsible for where I am today,
Speaker 3: without question.
Speaker 4: Wait, I know you speechless.
Speaker 1: I know where you are in golf, not in live.
Speaker 3: In golf and my excitement for the game of golf
Speaker 3: and the reason why I went back to school for
Speaker 3: titleists and so on. But you started the ball rolling
Speaker 3: and got me excited in golf that I could realize
Speaker 3: I could actually do it.
Speaker 1: Well, you were playing golf before you you found the podcast.
Speaker 4: Right, No, no, no, I did.
Speaker 3: I just started. I just started listening to it. Was
Speaker 3: not playing golf, was not interested in golf.
Speaker 1: So and and what what got you interested in golf?
Speaker 1: Why did you get started?
Speaker 3: I was just tired of my clients, my personal training
Speaker 3: clients and friends ask me to go golf, so I
Speaker 3: thought maybe I'd give it a try. And so I
Speaker 3: didn't want to look too foolish, so I started googling
Speaker 3: some stuff and I found this thing called a Golf
Speaker 3: Smarter podcast, and I thought it would give me the
Speaker 3: information regarding what golf was about and what I needed
Speaker 3: to know. And I just started listening and it sounded
Speaker 3: interesting and it was probably something that I could probably
Speaker 3: do for the rest of my life. And that's just
Speaker 3: how it started the ball rolling and got me excited
Speaker 3: about understanding the game of golf.
Speaker 1: Wow, so you were just a neophied, a brand new
Speaker 1: golfer at the time. And tell me where's your handicap today?
Speaker 4: Unfortunately it's gone up to about a three point two.
Speaker 1: So do you know how many people would love to say, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I'm a free Why where was it? Where did it
Speaker 1: get to?
Speaker 4: It got too low as a two? Oh?
Speaker 1: My, so that's pretty remarkable. But how much golf do
Speaker 1: you play?
Speaker 4: Well? People are gonna hate me, but.
Speaker 1: Oh they already hate you. You said you're three. We
Speaker 1: all hate you already, Michael.
Speaker 3: Okay, yesterday I said another personal record on two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty seven point five rounds for the season so far.
Speaker 1: Here we are in the beginning of September. How many
Speaker 1: days in this year so far?
Speaker 4: Are you? So?
Speaker 1: How many? How many rounds a week are you playing?
Speaker 4: Roughly to a day? So up to sixty rounds a month? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, we we collectively hate you.
Speaker 3: Okay a day.
Speaker 1: Don't you work? Yes?
Speaker 4: A lot.
Speaker 1: Well how much. Wait, let's let's talk about where you're
Speaker 1: based and how much sunshine you get during the year.
Speaker 3: Well, like I tell people, I'm not a fair weather golfer,
Speaker 3: and in Calgary, Alberta, we can get from Like. Yes,
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, we got snow yesterday south of us,
Speaker 3: about two to three inches and it literally rained all
Speaker 3: day yesterday. And I was besides me, there are two
Speaker 3: other guys dressed like people that were going to go
Speaker 3: to the Arctic.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: There's only three of us that were on the golf
Speaker 3: course yesterday, and I needed to get that round in
Speaker 3: to tie my last year's personal best of two thirty
Speaker 3: seven rounds. And I just golf whenever, whenever I get
Speaker 3: a chance, because the season up here is so short,
Speaker 3: and last year I never had a chance to go
Speaker 3: away because we had those epic floods and for the
Speaker 3: month of July, I never played much golf because I
Speaker 3: injured myself and I was basically homeless for four weeks
Speaker 3: because of the floods.
Speaker 1: So, oh my gosh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was tough up here.
Speaker 3: And then you guys have you know, all that drought,
Speaker 3: and then we have all this excess rain.
Speaker 4: So we need a.
Speaker 1: Pipeline between Calgary and California. Huh absolutely, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we just uh, the last episode, we talked about
Speaker 1: drought conditions here in California and you're experiencing the complete opposite. Huh.
Speaker 1: In the you're in the north. You're in the central North.
Speaker 3: No, southern part of southern part of Alberta, just maybe
Speaker 3: about three hours shy of the Montana border.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're in central Canada, but on the southern part
Speaker 1: of it Western Western that's considered the westc.
Speaker 3: BC and then Alberta and then Saskatchewan and then Manitoba,
Speaker 3: and those are usually for western provinces.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Well, I've never understood the west thing. When
Speaker 1: they talk about you know, like Ohio is they consider
Speaker 1: the west, and to me, that's the mid east. It's
Speaker 1: the middle eastern part of the country. But because this
Speaker 1: country is so east coast centric that California is like
Speaker 1: way west, but that everything from California to Illinois is
Speaker 1: the West. It's like, what how do you do that? Anyway?
Speaker 1: I mean, I still don't understand Pittsburgh is in the
Speaker 1: in the middle part of the country, and Okay, that's
Speaker 1: geography is not my best part, but the golf is.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your amazing accomplishments on the golf course.
Speaker 1: You've been playing for I guess if you've been six
Speaker 1: years now? Okay, so we've been doing the podcast. Is
Speaker 1: our tenth year of doing the podcast. You've been playing
Speaker 1: golf for six years? And what were your struggles when
Speaker 1: you first started. I mean, if you're already down to it,
Speaker 1: you've been down to a two, what have you struggled with?
Speaker 1: And is really banging balls? You know, thirty six holes
Speaker 1: a day really make the difference.
Speaker 3: Well, like we talked about before before we were going
Speaker 3: to do this, and some of the stuff that I've
Speaker 3: seen since I started playing golf, people practice very poorly,
Speaker 3: not the way they play. And when I first started,
Speaker 3: I could not hit a straight ball. It was all slice,
Speaker 3: banana slice, because no one told me that I had
Speaker 3: to release my hands, and not until I actually heard
Speaker 3: Tiger say that on one Golf channel and said, you
Speaker 3: have to shake hands with the target. And as soon
Speaker 3: as I started shaking hands with the target, I started
Speaker 3: hitting the ball straight. I started controlling a little bit
Speaker 3: of a draw, I started practicing more short game and
Speaker 3: in the beginning, I actually did hit a lot of
Speaker 3: balls on the range, but I also tore a bunch
Speaker 3: of ligaments in my elbow from overdoing it and hitting mats,
Speaker 3: and it never taught me anything. So unless someone actually
Speaker 3: has a golf pro readily available watching what you're doing,
Speaker 3: you just basically solidifying bad habits by just swinging endless
Speaker 3: balls with no purpose.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Tell me more about the shaking hands with
Speaker 1: the target. I want to back that up a second.
Speaker 3: So I'm a lefty, okay, and I played my whole
Speaker 3: life playing hockey left and back when I in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty and grade ten, we went out in high school
Speaker 3: to go play golf and my teacher gave me right
Speaker 3: handed clubs.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 3: Played hockey in my whole life left handed. Why would
Speaker 3: I play golf right hand? He said, well, no one
Speaker 3: should ever play golf left handed. So I tried hitting
Speaker 3: the ball around right handed, and it was not normal
Speaker 3: for me, and so I gave it up. So I
Speaker 3: never took anything up to it. And then when I
Speaker 3: started playing with my younger nephews left handed clubs, I
Speaker 3: started getting the hang of hitting it, but everything was
Speaker 3: a slice, and so now you righties are gonna have
Speaker 3: to follow me as a lefty. So you basically, when
Speaker 3: you take your swing towards the back, your thumbs will
Speaker 3: face behind you correct and as you go through the
Speaker 3: target line when you hit the ball, your thumbs are
Speaker 3: now straight out in front of you. And then when
Speaker 3: you actually proceed, I'm gonna say this for a righty,
Speaker 3: your thumbs are now going to start facing the target.
Speaker 4: And if you finished that.
Speaker 3: Hand position with both thumbs, ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 3: time the ball will go straight with just a little
Speaker 3: baby draw. But most people don't finish they hold they
Speaker 3: you don't finish the swing at the top, and they
Speaker 3: don't finish it at the back.
Speaker 4: And you have to shake.
Speaker 3: Hands with not only the target behind you, but you
Speaker 3: have to finish with your thumbs facing forward to the
Speaker 3: target line as well. And that's one of the biggest
Speaker 3: Eureka moments I ever had. That when I saw that
Speaker 3: on the Golf channel, when I went out to the
Speaker 3: range of that day, I could hit the ball straight
Speaker 3: for the first time, and it was so small of
Speaker 3: a little thing, but it was the biggest thing that
Speaker 3: changed my golf. So and I've had people watching me
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, but they didn't know what I
Speaker 3: was doing wrong. And what I've found out in the
Speaker 3: last six years, golf is really finicky with the people
Speaker 3: that you meet. Fifty percent I think of the people
Speaker 3: don't know what's wrong with a person's golf swing.
Speaker 4: And now the other fifty percent, No.
Speaker 3: But they really don't want to share those secrets with
Speaker 3: you because they don't want you to improve.
Speaker 1: Why would they, Oh, because they're instructors. They don't want
Speaker 1: to improve because they're all business.
Speaker 3: No, not necessarily instructors, but there are definitely some instructors
Speaker 3: that I've actually put in heads with that I've helped
Speaker 3: people on my golf course and I've managed to tweak
Speaker 3: their game and they've had some of the best games
Speaker 3: ever and it was just the littlest detail. And you know,
Speaker 3: some unfortunately golf coaches want you as because that's their profession.
Speaker 3: They want to keep you around. If you fix something,
Speaker 3: they may not need you anymore. But just like with
Speaker 3: me being a personal trainer, I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: able to save someone's body and fitness just within one session.
Speaker 3: That's sort of like an ongoing thing and from there
Speaker 3: I get feedback from other clients and referrals, and that
Speaker 3: just keeps the whole ball running. With personal training, and
Speaker 3: now that I found a passion for golf, I'm able
Speaker 3: to do that and actually see what's wrong with people's
Speaker 3: golf swing because I had all those bad flaws coming
Speaker 3: and probably more so so, and because I play so
Speaker 3: much golf. Now I'm trying to play catch up to
Speaker 3: all you guys who are playing golf since you were fetuses.
Speaker 3: That guy I'm so far behind in my will be
Speaker 3: fifty this year, and most of you guys have been
Speaker 3: playing golf since you were single digits, so.
Speaker 1: In age single digit and age.
Speaker 4: Yes see, not single digit and handicap.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're trying to catch up. You've
Speaker 1: surpassed most players as it is.
Speaker 3: Oh I know, but what alamsos once you have you
Speaker 3: ever played hockey?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: So what amsos for you to learn to play hockey?
Speaker 3: Now all your patterns and motor skills have been solidified already,
Speaker 3: you might be able to take some of those things
Speaker 3: from baseball and from golf and simulate probably a better
Speaker 3: hockey swing, but you're never fully going to get the
Speaker 3: hockey swing.
Speaker 1: I'll never fully get the golf swing. I started playing
Speaker 1: in my forties.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's not true, but it's it's much put
Speaker 3: it this way, it's much harder bo mechanically and connectic wise, to.
Speaker 4: Take up the game later in life.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then when when you started, like when you
Speaker 3: look at mac Roy's swing when he was five, it's fallless.
Speaker 3: He's better swinging at five than did most guys have
Speaker 3: swung their whole career when they started at twenty or thirty.
Speaker 3: But you know what, golf is pretty much the only
Speaker 3: sport you could probably do for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: And that's why I just found so much passion with it.
Speaker 3: Because of all the things that I've done to my body.
Speaker 3: I've had nineteen serious lower back injuries and two dislocated palvises.
Speaker 3: Golf is not one of the biggest things for me
Speaker 3: to do. So the body does not want to do rotation, flection,
Speaker 3: and extension all at the same time. And then when
Speaker 3: you do it poorly, you actually create even more injury potential.
Speaker 3: So I have to rethink my training, I have to
Speaker 3: rethink my practice all that stuff in order to get
Speaker 3: to where I am today. So I, like they say,
Speaker 3: it takes a village to you know, create a child.
Speaker 3: And with your podcast, with my friends and clients and
Speaker 3: the TPI stuff, I just managed to condense it a
Speaker 3: little bit quicker than most people do in ten or
Speaker 3: twenty years.
Speaker 1: So as a TPI, let's talk about what it is
Speaker 1: to be a two GI instructor and what that's done
Speaker 1: for your game.
Speaker 3: Oh that was tremendous down two and a half days
Speaker 3: down in Mesa with you top quality TPI titleist professionals
Speaker 3: of LPGA, MDS, PGA tour players, the personal trainers, Cairo's
Speaker 3: physios put together twelve assessments, of which fifty percent of
Speaker 3: the people that have actually assessed fail and they have
Speaker 3: failure built right into them. And so for me actually
Speaker 3: assessing myself, I actually found out that I actually had
Speaker 3: a left glute that would never fire.
Speaker 4: And if you can't fire your glues, which.
Speaker 3: Makes up eighty percent of the golf swing from the
Speaker 3: ground up for power wise, you're not going to have
Speaker 3: a very efficient game off the tee as well as
Speaker 3: your mid irons.
Speaker 4: And it actually even affected my short game.
Speaker 3: So it just showed me the full aspect on exactly
Speaker 3: what the tour pros have to go through to get
Speaker 3: golf fit and that it was fit before of doing
Speaker 3: a powerlifting and being a bodybuilder and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But I wasn't golf fit. I did all the wrong
Speaker 3: things not applicable to the game of golf. And that's
Speaker 3: what was an eye opener. And so when I came
Speaker 3: back to Calgary, I revamped my entire training program. I
Speaker 3: understood the flaws that my clients were talking to me
Speaker 3: about their aches and pains, because as I start to
Speaker 3: get into golfing a little bit more, I understood what
Speaker 3: they were talking about the game of golf, and then
Speaker 3: that completely changed my passion for fitness and it was
Speaker 3: all specifically designed just for golf fit.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. Let's pursue the concept of golf fit and what
Speaker 1: you learned about it and why is that different from
Speaker 1: what you were doing as a bodybuilder.
Speaker 3: Well, bodybuilder is just aesthetics from the outside and trying
Speaker 3: to have your upper and lower balance with your sides
Speaker 3: and your front and back.
Speaker 1: But golf that's not necessarily So bodybuilding is not necessarily
Speaker 1: a fitness it's a display.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: So even when I was a powerlifter, I looked totally
Speaker 3: different as a power lifter, like very bulky, very thick,
Speaker 3: compared to when I was a bodybuilder, completely two different physiques.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Like the powerlifter was extremely strong and powerful, but not
Speaker 3: very cut and not very lean because you want to
Speaker 3: have a little bit more body fat to protect the joints.
Speaker 3: And where as a bodybuilder, my joints hurt all the
Speaker 3: time because I was so lean. I was less than
Speaker 3: two percent body fat and like paper thin skin and
Speaker 3: tired all the time. But I wasn't that strong. Interesting,
Speaker 3: but I look strong, because.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's surprised me. It was always when you
Speaker 1: see bodybuilders, they look incredibly fit and amazing shape.
Speaker 4: But as you get leaner and leaner and leaner, you
Speaker 4: don't have a lot.
Speaker 3: Of body fat to protect your joints, and you're extremely
Speaker 3: exhaustive from trying to maintain such a low body fat level.
Speaker 3: And it kind of makes you go crazy too, because
Speaker 3: you're carbol depleted and you're tired, and you're you know,
Speaker 3: training three four times a day and of cardio and weights.
Speaker 3: But when I went to the TPI and took up
Speaker 3: the golf fitness there, it was a complete mind blowing
Speaker 3: experience that I needed to now balance out both sides
Speaker 3: a little bit more efficiently, more rotation from not only
Speaker 3: my wrists, my elbow, shoulders, you know, mid thrastic upper
Speaker 3: back neck.
Speaker 4: And at the same time, I really had.
Speaker 3: To watch on over torquing for my lower back, and
Speaker 3: I did tweak my back a few times when I
Speaker 3: first started on trying to swing too hard and especially
Speaker 3: trying to keep up to guys that were I was
Speaker 3: playing with that could just crush the ball eighty tow
Speaker 3: one hundred yards farther, and I thought I just needed
Speaker 3: to swing harder, but it was there was just no
Speaker 3: power in my swing. I swung, but absolutely no power.
Speaker 3: And I learned how to slow it down like Freddy
Speaker 3: Couples and Ernie L's and get more rotation. And now
Speaker 3: you know, I'm within ten to fifteen yards of these
Speaker 3: guys when I started.
Speaker 1: And you're probably ten fifteen yards beyond.
Speaker 4: Them some of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because if I you know, I know how
Speaker 3: to play a cut now with my driver, and I
Speaker 3: know how to play a draw, so I can play
Speaker 3: both sides. Because one of the guys I used to
Speaker 3: play with what was taught by Moon Norman, our Canadian
Speaker 3: legend and Billy Casper, And one of the biggest things
Speaker 3: that they said is you never ever fight the wind.
Speaker 3: So in a draw wind, for me, left to right
Speaker 3: it's my go to shot. And when there's a right
Speaker 3: to left wind, I've learned how to cut it into there.
Speaker 3: And sometimes my longest driving in a cut wind so
Speaker 3: far as three fifty six yards.
Speaker 4: So I got all that one that day. Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1: And you weren't swinging hard.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: I was actually choked down and I just cranked on
Speaker 3: it and I hit up on it and I just
Speaker 3: left it into the wind, and I said, just see.
Speaker 4: You, and I'll see you when I get to you.
Speaker 3: And by the time I lasered it and put it
Speaker 3: on the GPS with another guy who came out to
Speaker 3: three fifty six. That's but that's something that most people
Speaker 3: are not willing to learn to hit it. A little
Speaker 3: cut and a little draw, and those things are game savers.
Speaker 3: And that's why I've dropped my index so far, because
Speaker 3: half the holes on my track out of twenty seven holes,
Speaker 3: half of them are cuts and half of them are draws.
Speaker 3: And I have to be able to work it around
Speaker 3: from right to left, especially on the long par fives,
Speaker 3: or I'll never get there in uh sometimes he even
Speaker 3: three because it's such a hard dog leg left on
Speaker 3: some of them when they go when I go down
Speaker 3: into our valley that I just can't get home in
Speaker 3: three because I'm stimmied by trees.
Speaker 1: So all right, now more about golf fit, what that
Speaker 1: means and what we need to do.
Speaker 4: To get there.
Speaker 3: Well, the biggest thing, eighty percent of it is glutes
Speaker 3: and abdominals, and most people don't have strong enough glute
Speaker 3: to balance out both sides to stay stable. And like
Speaker 3: one of the guys I golf with, he's about a
Speaker 3: plus four. It basically is from the ground up. You
Speaker 3: have to be stable from the ground up, creating power
Speaker 3: and be able to transfer, you know, for a wrighty
Speaker 3: from right and load it to your left hip. And
Speaker 3: most people, when I start training them, they have absolutely
Speaker 3: no hip power whatsoever, no flexibility, no rotate, And most
Speaker 3: people just are arm swingers and they've adapted to swinging
Speaker 3: with their arms. But eventually that gets to create tremendous
Speaker 3: torque in their back, their hips, their ankles, their knees,
Speaker 3: and after you know, you get after age fifty and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, you start losing sonovia fluid in your joints,
Speaker 3: bones start to reb on bones, and the golf game
Speaker 3: is not that fun anymore.
Speaker 4: So that's why I can.
Speaker 3: Do what I can do, Like I can go fifty
Speaker 3: four holes in a day and the only thing that
Speaker 3: is sore is just my feet from walking.
Speaker 4: But other than that, my back is perfect.
Speaker 3: I don't overswing, you know, and some days they're windy
Speaker 3: and I just play within myself. But it has to
Speaker 3: do with golf fitness home basically an example of what
Speaker 3: golf fitness can do that most people you should be
Speaker 3: able to golf thirty six holes.
Speaker 4: Pain free walking, Yeah, you should be right, but most
Speaker 4: people with apems is there, they don't train correctly.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think most people have the stamina to
Speaker 1: do thirty six holes in a day.
Speaker 3: Exactly, just like on the one email saying that one
Speaker 3: guy I was golfing with that could already get through
Speaker 3: eighteen because he smoked a cigar the entire time and
Speaker 3: he was hot, cat coughing and hack and I I
Speaker 3: was surprised that he would walk and smoke that size
Speaker 3: of a cigar for the entire round, and by the
Speaker 3: time he walked up on one of our hils, he
Speaker 3: literally had to take.
Speaker 4: A five minute break wow, and we were.
Speaker 3: Getting behind it and we pretty much almost had to
Speaker 3: leave him there on the tea box. So it all
Speaker 3: depends on what's important to you. And for me, I'm
Speaker 3: probably a different breathe than most people. My grandfather taught
Speaker 3: me about if you're gonna have something to do in life,
Speaker 3: have to do it with passion or don't do it
Speaker 3: at all. And I took up the game of golf,
Speaker 3: and I gave it three years to see whether or
Speaker 3: not I could figure it out, whether or not my
Speaker 3: back would take care of itself and I wouldn't injure
Speaker 3: it anymore, and I just fell in love with it.
Speaker 3: So and like I said, I rechanged my training to
Speaker 3: be more golf fit, more rotation, more flexibility.
Speaker 4: And I've got ten fifteen years in Taekwindo. So I
Speaker 4: didn't lack.
Speaker 3: Flexibility, but golf flexibility. And in martial arts that's a
Speaker 3: little different flexibility than in golf. So I started bouncing
Speaker 3: out my left and right sides. I started swinging with
Speaker 3: an orange whip.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever heard of one of those.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I actually I have the version of it
Speaker 1: by skills.
Speaker 3: It's incredible, absolutely incredible device. So it creates leg time,
Speaker 3: it slows down your speed. I have an impact bag,
Speaker 3: I have PVC balls that I throw against the concrete wall.
Speaker 3: Abdominant work. Plus I specialize in bodyweight training suspension systems,
Speaker 3: and that's all has to do with rotation and getting
Speaker 3: the body loaded. And so basically I trained my clients
Speaker 3: pre season so their bodies are already ready to swing
Speaker 3: a golf club and the little finesse stuff that'll slowly come.
Speaker 3: But most people injure themselves within the first couple of
Speaker 3: weeks of playing in the season, especially when they're in Canada,
Speaker 3: if they don't go away, and they injure themselves because
Speaker 3: their body is not ready for that torque. So I
Speaker 3: get them ready for a golf swing and they're ready
Speaker 3: to go out. They may not play the best because
Speaker 3: they haven't tweaked their short game, but their bodies are
Speaker 3: ready to swing golf club and fairly hard.
Speaker 1: No, we don't want to swing hard.
Speaker 4: I thought we said no, But what amsos.
Speaker 3: Most people think they need to swing hard when they
Speaker 3: first start out. And you'll see, guys, we've you know,
Speaker 3: we've discussed this. I've actually even heard it on your
Speaker 3: podcast where guys will crank out the big dog right
Speaker 3: away on the range. Yeah, and they won't work their
Speaker 3: way up on the bag, and so they think they
Speaker 3: need to swing really hard. And I see it every
Speaker 3: day at my track, and I'm going to see it
Speaker 3: again this afternoon when I go play. Guys will crank
Speaker 3: out the driver first thing. And that's the worst thing
Speaker 3: you can do for your body. It's it's such an
Speaker 3: overloaded shock to the body that you need to slowly
Speaker 3: warm up the hands and the little muscles and then
Speaker 3: the big boy muscles will autom actually come.
Speaker 1: I was doing some analysis of my statistics and you know,
Speaker 1: I hit the driver seven times around, you know, because
Speaker 1: I hit my four wood off the tee a lot
Speaker 1: three wood forward. I heard I hit that all off
Speaker 1: the tee. If it's if it's narrow or I know
Speaker 1: I can reach, you know, trouble, or I want to
Speaker 1: position myself better so I won't take the driver, and
Speaker 1: I don't hit the driver that much. So that's for
Speaker 1: me that that is the least important club to be
Speaker 1: working on when I'm on the driving range, and sometimes
Speaker 1: when i'm when I'm on the driving range the driver.
Speaker 1: I try to hit it like one hundred yards. I
Speaker 1: try not to hit it really hard. I try to
Speaker 1: take a nice, easy, slow swing and you know, do
Speaker 1: something different with it, but not just crank it out.
Speaker 1: I'll take on the range. I'll take two or three
Speaker 1: swings with the driver I have found And please concur
Speaker 1: if you found this to be true as well. But
Speaker 1: my scores are going down because I'm working more on
Speaker 1: everything inside of one hundred yards.
Speaker 3: Did you want to know a big secret just between
Speaker 3: you and I? Because no one else is going to
Speaker 3: hear this.
Speaker 4: Right, nobody, nobody?
Speaker 3: Okay, what I have found in the last six years,
Speaker 3: and not only from my game, but the guys I
Speaker 3: play with that are near scratch.
Speaker 4: They play to a shot that they know.
Speaker 3: They're going to get to within a hula hoop, and
Speaker 3: mine is my gap witch around eighty eight yards eighty
Speaker 3: nine that's usually Birdie and my clients hate that because
Speaker 3: they like to get on in two on a par
Speaker 3: fives And what happens those nine and half percent of
Speaker 3: the time they put it in the woods sand bunker
Speaker 3: and they come out with a bogie or double and
Speaker 3: I'm coming up with Bertie because I lay up to
Speaker 3: eighty eight to ninety yards and I never go for
Speaker 3: some par fives anymore. I lay up and I play
Speaker 3: the whole backwards to one hundred yards.
Speaker 4: Or less out.
Speaker 3: Like you just said, that's the biggest Eureka moment that
Speaker 3: I've probably had in a game of golf, that there's
Speaker 3: just sometimes opportunities, unless it's downwind, that I just won't
Speaker 3: go and try my track at some of the par fives.
Speaker 4: And two it's just too much to risk.
Speaker 3: And I already have kept my stats, and I know
Speaker 3: now that the Game Golf has come out, I've kept
Speaker 3: my you know, greens irregulation and fairways and putting. And
Speaker 3: on the days that I lay up to like a
Speaker 3: front pin, I may not have a greener regulation, but
Speaker 3: I only have one putt because the chipped it tight.
Speaker 1: H Well, listen, you're a Golf Smarter member. You you
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Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, it's I'm I'm glad you
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Fred, And we had this discussion way back in
Speaker 3: the day where I could not believe that you were
Speaker 3: given that type of information for free.
Speaker 4: I was shocked, you know, from elite you know.
Speaker 3: Doctors like doctor Bob Ertel and Retella and like there's
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Speaker 1: Well that's okay, because I never had Bob Rutella on
Speaker 1: the show, didn't you. I'm pretty sure I's never talked
Speaker 1: to him. I've always want it. I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: Joe parent lots of the time with Joe Parent. There
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Speaker 4: Yes, you know he's he's.
Speaker 1: Been fantastic for the mental gal absolutely and his books
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Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: What what are your favorite exercises to do for the
Speaker 1: glutes in the core that you can share with us
Speaker 1: for free?
Speaker 4: You know, just a simple lunch.
Speaker 3: I've actually started working on uh an invention based on
Speaker 3: glute thrusts where you actually lie down on the ground
Speaker 3: with your knees bent and you lie on the ground
Speaker 3: your hands face down and you basically are lifting your
Speaker 3: butt in the air. And it's one of the ones
Speaker 3: that actually got from TPI, but we actually do it
Speaker 3: with single leg and I actually worked on single leg
Speaker 3: glue thrusts and if you want, I can send some
Speaker 3: pictures and we can actually put it on your side
Speaker 3: if you want. That was one of the number one
Speaker 3: things that actually got me to reactivate my left glute, because,
Speaker 3: like I said, I've had so many injuries that I've
Speaker 3: actually had satic problems for the last probably thirty years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so that was one of the biggest things on
Speaker 3: getting the glutes more bounced for more power.
Speaker 4: But it's more usable power.
Speaker 3: And usually when muscles are tight, they're always being fired
Speaker 3: and they actually bring in other muscle groups that continue
Speaker 3: the firing process and that leads to more injuries. So
Speaker 3: you want to have muscles that can fire at the
Speaker 3: smallest little reaction, but then also learn how to relax.
Speaker 3: And being seated is probably one of the worst things
Speaker 3: we can do as human beings, So I teach my
Speaker 3: clients sitting down is one of the worst things we
Speaker 3: can do with our body because it actually deactivates things.
Speaker 3: And most people don't squeeze their glutes and their abs.
Speaker 3: So I have people actually sit on Swiss balls at
Speaker 3: work and they're actually bouncing around on the ball to
Speaker 3: keep their bodies active. And then I also make them
Speaker 3: drink a lot more water, so they actually have to
Speaker 3: go to the washroom at least once an hour, and
Speaker 3: that sort of deactivates some stress in their body from
Speaker 3: sitting for a six to.
Speaker 4: Eight hour day.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, So I have a lot of the glute
Speaker 3: trusts for building glutes abdominals. You don't want to build
Speaker 3: up abs that are so thick and so strong that
Speaker 3: actually they limit the ability for the body to rotate.
Speaker 3: So you know, tons of rotational stuff with like I said,
Speaker 3: those PDC balls up here we go and killgram. So
Speaker 3: roughly around a five to ten pound ball that actually bounces,
Speaker 3: and it's a solid ball, and you throw it up
Speaker 3: against the wall and if from about five feet out,
Speaker 3: and if it actually bounces back to your hands, that
Speaker 3: means that you're using the power of your glutes that
Speaker 3: actually brings the ball back. And most people who actually
Speaker 3: are arm swingers will throw the ball against the wall
Speaker 3: and it'll fall right to the ground and there's no
Speaker 3: power there, and then that means they have to stand
Speaker 3: too close to the wall.
Speaker 4: So if you can actually throw, you know, one.
Speaker 3: Of those ten pound balls from five to six feet
Speaker 3: at a concrete wall and it bounces back to you
Speaker 3: in the same force, in the same direction, that's a
Speaker 3: lot of glue power. But most people can't do that
Speaker 3: for ten to fifteen reps aside, So, and also.
Speaker 4: The biggest thing is flexibility.
Speaker 3: I specialize in flexibility as well, so tons of hit flexibility, hamstrings,
Speaker 3: growing the side, hips, the lower back, shoulders, wrists.
Speaker 4: Basically it's a full.
Speaker 3: Kinetic from the wrists all the way down to the
Speaker 3: ankles and feet. So and out of the think of
Speaker 3: almost a thousand games now played in six years, there's
Speaker 3: a thousand different ways to swing a golf club. And
Speaker 3: but Titleist says, there's one, only one efficient way to swing.
Speaker 3: And people are basically designed to swing a golf club
Speaker 3: at an early age. And if you've taken it up
Speaker 3: at you know, your twenties and thirties and forties, based
Speaker 3: on your past physical history, you're gonna swing it a
Speaker 3: certain weight. And I've seen some horrific swings where I
Speaker 3: can't even watch the people swing It literally causes me
Speaker 3: back pain when I actually watch them swing. So they're
Speaker 3: holding their breath like they're grunting and almost like a
Speaker 3: Monica Sealis tennis match.
Speaker 4: So but and you can tell it it's.
Speaker 3: It's a powerless effort or effortless rather than effortless power
Speaker 3: And you know, like Freddy Couples, we just had them
Speaker 3: up here on the weekend and he won is the
Speaker 3: senior tournament up here at the Champions Tour at Keny
Speaker 3: Medals and just incredible fluid swing.
Speaker 1: So what you mentioned holding their breath. What negative impact
Speaker 1: on your golf swing is holding your breath? Because I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people do just that just before
Speaker 1: they take this swing. They'll take a huge gulp of
Speaker 1: air and hold it and then do their swing versus somebody.
Speaker 1: And what I try to do is take a deep
Speaker 1: breath and let it out before I start my swing.
Speaker 1: What kind of negative impact is holding your breath?
Speaker 4: Well? Have you heard of the valsalva maneuver? No?
Speaker 1: I have not.
Speaker 3: It's where deep divers that have no tanks on will
Speaker 3: actually do this breathing exercise to get more O two
Speaker 3: in and more less CO two out so they can
Speaker 3: actually dive farther down. But what happens, though, is it
Speaker 3: creates tremendous pressure in your abdominal wall, and you could
Speaker 3: actually get a massive hernia. You could blank out, you
Speaker 3: could pop blood vessels in your eyes. Like you said,
Speaker 3: the biggest thing is that, you know, you take a
Speaker 3: breath in and then just slowly about half of it out,
Speaker 3: just so that you're still stable. It's like trying to
Speaker 3: lift a really heavy weight and let all the air out. Well,
Speaker 3: you're not going to be able to do it. But
Speaker 3: if you take too much air in and put all
Speaker 3: that thoracic pressure in, you're going to cause some trauma.
Speaker 3: And now you're not only work in your body in
Speaker 3: a lateral fashion, you're actually doing rotation, flection, and extension
Speaker 3: all at the same time, and those three things together,
Speaker 3: if you do one of them, you're in a world
Speaker 3: of hurts. So you want to be able to have
Speaker 3: a little bit of breath in there to hold your
Speaker 3: transverse abdominance in on the inside. That sort of like
Speaker 3: stabilizes the spine, but not to the point where we're
Speaker 3: actually putting tremendous pressure on your spinal calm as well.
Speaker 1: It's all you said you didn't that it's not good
Speaker 1: to build the abs too much. No, what are your
Speaker 1: favorite exercises for people to get enough ab strength but
Speaker 1: not overdo it and still retain the flexibility that they need.
Speaker 3: Well, I try to do three or four things at once.
Speaker 3: So the biggest one is that PVC ball through. So
Speaker 3: when you're standing on the ground, now, you've got to
Speaker 3: try to get your body weight, lower your center of gravity,
Speaker 3: which stimulates a golf swing. You're taking this ball, you're
Speaker 3: swinging it in your arms, you're throwing it up against
Speaker 3: the wall, it's coming back to you. So that's tremendous
Speaker 3: power on one side. And then you switch it and
Speaker 3: you do the other side, so you have an equal
Speaker 3: opposite reaction. And you've probably seen people with very short backswings. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so if you can actually create a little bit
Speaker 3: more of a backswing, you're going to have a much
Speaker 3: more fluid fallow through. And that just adds ten, fifteen,
Speaker 3: twenty yards. And as I've been doing this now for
Speaker 3: six years, up slowly increase my driving distance like about
Speaker 3: five to ten yards every year. And that's an accumulation
Speaker 3: of all the flexibility stuff, of all the balancing on
Speaker 3: trying to get my shoulders to rotate a little bit
Speaker 3: farther on, sort of like lessening my upper back muscle
Speaker 3: mass because I'm not training really heavy and during the
Speaker 3: summer anymore like I do during the winter for when
Speaker 3: I ski, and it's just basically bouncing out and trying
Speaker 3: to do things that are applicable for golf that you're
Speaker 3: bent over is one of the hardest things on back,
Speaker 3: compared to doing exercises where you're standing upright. And when
Speaker 3: you go on golf posture. A lot of people can't
Speaker 3: stay in golf posture. They have either a c spine
Speaker 3: which it's very rounded, or it's over extended and it's
Speaker 3: almost like a hyper extended state, and that creates tremendous
Speaker 3: trusure pressure in their back and a lot of guys
Speaker 3: stand up and as soon as you stand up, you've
Speaker 3: lost your swing. And like I said, there's some of
Speaker 3: the stuff that I know now I never did six
Speaker 3: years ago on my training, and so I try to
Speaker 3: do things that are applicable to the rotation as well
Speaker 3: as the stability and try to do I don't do
Speaker 3: the stuff I did when I powerlifted, and I don't
Speaker 3: do the stuff I did with my bodybuild. They're completely
Speaker 3: opposite to what golf is and most of it is
Speaker 3: just applicable with rotation and staying centered and working from
Speaker 3: the ground up, and that's mostly with the glutes and
Speaker 3: the hip fletchers.
Speaker 1: There's so much conversation of golfers today spending a lot
Speaker 1: more time in the gym and lifting.
Speaker 3: Right, and you know, some of the stuff that you
Speaker 3: watch if you watch the Golf Channel and the Tiles
Speaker 3: Performance Institute, that's similar to some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: I do in actual gyms. But a lot of my
Speaker 3: clients that I train, I train on at this one park.
Speaker 3: We trained yesterday and unfortunately we trained a little bit
Speaker 3: in the rain and at the client's homes and they
Speaker 3: don't have all that equipment, so we make do with
Speaker 3: the suspension system that I use, rubber bands, balls, PVC balls,
Speaker 3: and basically matt work and stuff that they can actually
Speaker 3: do on their own without actually having to go to
Speaker 3: a gym.
Speaker 4: And I'd love to have.
Speaker 3: One of those huge TPI gyms that one of our
Speaker 3: guys at Jason Glass out at Vancouver has. It's one
Speaker 3: of the biggest in Canada and it's absolutely huge. Is
Speaker 3: like two three thousand square feet and it's massive. They
Speaker 3: got every piece of equipment in there, kettlebells and everything.
Speaker 3: But that's not applicable to most people unless because they
Speaker 3: have to actually go to these gyms and actually train.
Speaker 3: So I try to make it very simplistic for my
Speaker 3: clients that they can do stuff on the road. And
Speaker 3: a lot of my guys are executives of oil companies
Speaker 3: and stuff like that up here, and they're on the
Speaker 3: road and they don't have access to gyms sometimes because
Speaker 3: they're in their hotel, and so I get them to
Speaker 3: do stuff that's they can actually just do right in
Speaker 3: their hotel room. And most of the stuff I do
Speaker 3: now is body weight training. Only your body knows what
Speaker 3: your body needs. So most machines that I have my
Speaker 3: clients from five feet to six foot two, they don't
Speaker 3: fit in the machines. But when you use your own
Speaker 3: body masks, your body mask knows what your body can
Speaker 3: do because it's applicable to your own joints and your
Speaker 3: levers and the kinesiology regarding your anatomy of your body.
Speaker 3: It's all and that's coming, that's coming back. Body weight
Speaker 3: training stuff is now finally come making its way back again,
Speaker 3: and in my four years of gymnastics, that was probably
Speaker 3: that was probably the best shape I ever was in
Speaker 3: my life when I did four years of gymnastics.
Speaker 1: Can a golfer be too flexible?
Speaker 3: Um, Yes and no in certain areas, like I'd love
Speaker 3: to be able to have Adam Scott's shoulder flexibility, but
Speaker 3: I don't think I'll ever have that. My shoulders are
Speaker 3: just too big from all the years of powerlifting, and
Speaker 3: it takes me a while to detrain them.
Speaker 4: And so that's what I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to do over the winner on trying to get
Speaker 3: a little bit more shoulder flexibility. You can definitely have
Speaker 3: a little bit too much spinal flexibility, like you know,
Speaker 3: the John daily swings like that, and eventually, as he
Speaker 3: gets older, that's going to be a little bit less.
Speaker 3: You know, Tiger's reduced as swing And it all depends on,
Speaker 3: you know, if it's actually helping you or not. So
Speaker 3: too much flexibility you're wound up like.
Speaker 4: A rubber band.
Speaker 3: But can you generate the same ground force when you
Speaker 3: actually swing the club?
Speaker 4: And everyone is different.
Speaker 3: I have some clients that virtually have no flexibility, and
Speaker 3: yet you know, there are single digit handicaps, and they've
Speaker 3: adapted to that swing, and they're always on the fairway.
Speaker 3: They may not drive it long, but you know, they're
Speaker 3: always on the fairway. And I don't drive it that
Speaker 3: long either, but I'm always on the fairway. My best
Speaker 3: club in my bag is my driver. I can steer
Speaker 3: that thing, choke it down. I can punt one out
Speaker 3: under the wind. And you know, it's almost like a
Speaker 3: wedge to me.
Speaker 1: So have you gotten a game golf yet or you
Speaker 1: think about getting one?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's that's probably something I'm definitely gonna do in
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, if you want to take advantage
Speaker 1: of that members only discount, you got to jump before
Speaker 1: October first?
Speaker 4: Was that the date?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they put October first on it, so you can
Speaker 1: get that extra members only discount, and I'd be really fascinated. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to get you on on
Speaker 1: our challenge. We've got a challenge going for the month
Speaker 1: of September that for low score. But you know you're
Speaker 1: you're you're starting low, so it's going to be hard
Speaker 1: for you to have an all time low score to
Speaker 1: win our.
Speaker 4: Prime LA month.
Speaker 1: But I just think it would be fascinating to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what you're learning from from you know,
Speaker 1: from the statistics and the data that it's coming through
Speaker 1: the game golf. I'd love to hear what you.
Speaker 3: Get out of that, well most people, from what I've
Speaker 3: kept my stats on and I started kind of doing
Speaker 3: stuff with my GPS and stuff like that and my laser,
Speaker 3: and I don't hit it as far as I think
Speaker 3: I do, and libody I know is that that's sad,
Speaker 3: and it's it's as you know, unfortunately, I think I
Speaker 3: still have a ego thinking that I'm actually going to
Speaker 3: hit it farther, but you literally have to peer it.
Speaker 3: And you know, our course is wet and in the
Speaker 3: mornings it's cold, the ball doesn't compress much. And it's
Speaker 3: basically taken me that I literally have to be my
Speaker 3: own caddy and say, you know what, Mike, you got
Speaker 3: to take one more club and just choke down and
Speaker 3: swing easy. And I'm getting actually more balls to the
Speaker 3: to the flag and actually rolling past. And in the
Speaker 3: past I was always afraid to go buy the flag,
Speaker 3: and now I'm actually getting more balls to the flag
Speaker 3: and passed, so at least I know I have a
Speaker 3: chance to actually hitting one, and that's just an ego thing.
Speaker 3: So I know I need to change that aspect of
Speaker 3: my game if I if I definitely want to get
Speaker 3: down to a scratch golfer, I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: going to be at the end of this season, but
Speaker 3: we have a club championship Saturday Sunday, and I've been
Speaker 3: doing a lot of practice and trying to stay in
Speaker 3: the moment and listening to the positive stuff in my
Speaker 3: head and being a good caddy and taking more club
Speaker 3: and you know, and that's the biggest thing on trying
Speaker 3: to get it there by playing within my own strengths,
Speaker 3: and definitely the game golf would be absolutely amazing to
Speaker 3: figure out all that stuff that you know within five
Speaker 3: or ten yards that you know today, I've got to
Speaker 3: be hitting my five iron this amount, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to trust that, right.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I am blown away between game golf
Speaker 1: and the statistics that I've learned and what Dave Stockton
Speaker 1: said in our episode a couple I get months or
Speaker 1: two back when he talked about taking two clubs to
Speaker 1: every shot and not deciding until he's standing there. I
Speaker 1: was starting to see that most of my shots are
Speaker 1: my approach shots are coming up short, and so just like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you're not going to hit you're not going to
Speaker 1: crush this one, but if you hit it, well, you'll
Speaker 1: be at the hole or beyond it, you know, instead
Speaker 1: of coming up short all the time. And that's been
Speaker 1: a huge change for me as well, getting closer to.
Speaker 4: The pin right.
Speaker 3: And I've like, I'm helping this one guy right now
Speaker 3: that got me started in one of my best friends
Speaker 3: in nineteen years.
Speaker 4: I'm actually helping him with his wedge game. He's had the.
Speaker 3: Worst happy hands that I've ever seen a human have
Speaker 3: in game. And he's great off the tee mid irons,
Speaker 3: but his short game is just horrendous and it's tough
Speaker 3: to watch sometimes. And I always tell him, I said,
Speaker 3: you know, Kevin, that's not his real name, but I'll
Speaker 3: use anyway.
Speaker 4: Is that yes?
Speaker 3: To protect He already knows he has issue with his wedges.
Speaker 3: I just said, you know what, buddy, take one more club,
Speaker 3: choke down and swing fluid. And he's flying that ball
Speaker 3: straighter to the target and he's got a new putter
Speaker 3: and this putter is on fire.
Speaker 4: And I said, that's all you need now.
Speaker 3: You don't need to impress me by trying to hit
Speaker 3: that nine iron one hundred and eighty yards, because you're not.
Speaker 4: You're going to thin it, You're gonna fat it.
Speaker 3: And then you swear and you know it's it's it's
Speaker 3: a rough game from that point. Go take that aid iron,
Speaker 3: choke down and let the ego go. And now he's
Speaker 3: starting to enjoy the game a little bit more fun.
Speaker 1: But what what what are happy hands?
Speaker 4: He has the yips, so he had does the DC
Speaker 4: chin all the time, so.
Speaker 1: He has now you're really speaking in Canadian what.
Speaker 3: He double taps the ball, so he stutters his hands
Speaker 3: on his practice swings. He's like a Charles Barkley, perfect swings.
Speaker 3: But as soon as he steps up to that ball,
Speaker 3: something triggers in his head and he spends a little
Speaker 3: bit too much time over the ball. Now he's got
Speaker 3: massive swing thoughts, and I can tell Enough pulled him
Speaker 3: off the ball several times.
Speaker 4: To back off, And I said, Keavy, you got to
Speaker 4: back off. You're you're thinking.
Speaker 3: Now I can tell the wheels are rolling to practice swings.
Speaker 3: So one of the drills that I gave him is
Speaker 3: he steps behind the balls off to the side. He
Speaker 3: takes a practice swing, he walks forward, practice swing, and
Speaker 3: on a third swing he actually hits the ball, and
Speaker 3: nine percent of the time it's on the green. But
Speaker 3: the longer he spends over that ball, he starts changing
Speaker 3: the club loftly angles and so he either fins it
Speaker 3: or he opens it up and he swings too slow
Speaker 3: and the ball comes out of the grass and he
Speaker 3: actually double taps it the.
Speaker 4: DC chin.
Speaker 3: Wow, And that's frustrating to watch. And he does that
Speaker 3: once or twice around, or he'll fat it or he'll fit.
Speaker 4: It out the back.
Speaker 3: But it's just something that most people just don't spend
Speaker 3: enough time on practicing their.
Speaker 4: Short game, right, completely agree with you, yeahs.
Speaker 1: And now that I've gotten to that point, Now that
Speaker 1: I've gotten to a point where I'm starting to see
Speaker 1: significant improvement in my game, I see it's because of
Speaker 1: the short game. I've talked about it for such a
Speaker 1: long time, but since I've been working on it and
Speaker 1: see the numbers going down, it's like, oh, now I get.
Speaker 3: It, absolutely, And so that's what I tell people when
Speaker 3: when I play, and probably i'd say seventy eighty percent
Speaker 3: of my rounds have been with perfect strangers.
Speaker 4: And then they figure out what I what I do?
Speaker 4: You know, they always ask me.
Speaker 3: What he do and they go, oh, well, we get
Speaker 3: free lessons today, and I go, well, not really.
Speaker 4: I'll be your caddy, but I'm not going to give
Speaker 4: you a lesson.
Speaker 3: And so I guide these people around my track because
Speaker 3: they've never played it, and some of the stuff I
Speaker 3: give him advice. And one guy was from a sun
Speaker 3: corepor executive here and had never played our track the
Speaker 3: head as a son in law and daughter, and I
Speaker 3: guided him around. He never shot under a hundred, and
Speaker 3: once I kind of figured out his game, he pretty
Speaker 3: much put the driver back in the bag and hit
Speaker 3: his three wood. I've never seen a guy hit a
Speaker 3: pure three wood off the deck than this guy.
Speaker 4: And at the end of the.
Speaker 3: Round, he shot in eighty eight and he'd never shot
Speaker 3: under a hundred before because he was such a poor
Speaker 3: manager of his game that he always thought he needed
Speaker 3: to go go for every green, but his three wood
Speaker 3: kept him in the fairway and his wedge play take
Speaker 3: one more club.
Speaker 4: I helped Rede's putts.
Speaker 3: Where the green was on how to bring the ball in.
Speaker 3: That's a huge thing on trying to manage your golf game.
Speaker 3: Leave the eagle in the trunk and play to your strengths.
Speaker 3: And if your strength is one fifty, go to one
Speaker 3: fifty yards. If you can hit a driver that day,
Speaker 3: leave it in the trunk. Don't be tempted by taking
Speaker 3: that out. I'd rather see someone hit a three wood
Speaker 3: two fifty, you know, two twenty five or whatever.
Speaker 4: But hit two straight shots. You're on in apart.
Speaker 1: Five awesome, and everyone sing along with me. Never follow
Speaker 1: a bad shot.
Speaker 4: With a stupid shot.
Speaker 1: With a stupid shot. Yeah, it's so big because like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm in the woods here. That's no problem that.
Speaker 1: You know, the ball's covered well everything. There's a root
Speaker 1: behind me and there's tree trunks. But I can get
Speaker 1: there in two Yeah right, No you can't. And you
Speaker 1: know what, you're gonna double maybe triple bogie the hole
Speaker 1: unless you just hit it right out in the fairway.
Speaker 1: Take that shot and bogey the hole.
Speaker 4: Easy, what's the problem any save a shot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least one.
Speaker 3: So another secret between you and I. One of the
Speaker 3: best things that I ever did was actually enter an
Speaker 3: amateur contest.
Speaker 4: Really what I got, what.
Speaker 3: I got out of that was I actually had to
Speaker 3: become a caddie to myself on what would I actually
Speaker 3: tell myself, under no pressure from the side, What would
Speaker 3: I tell myself? What would I do in this situation? Well,
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't go through those trees like I normally would.
Speaker 3: Golfing with the guys to see if I could prove
Speaker 3: I could do it. And I won my first amateur
Speaker 3: last year. So and I started playing managing my golf game.
Speaker 3: I started working the whole backwards to my strength. I
Speaker 3: started learning how to slow my swing down a little bit,
Speaker 3: more more tempo, the breathing stuff, and playing within my
Speaker 3: own strengths. Just like Arnold Palmer said, you know, play
Speaker 3: your own game, and most guys do not play their
Speaker 3: old game. Most guys right away to go to the tips.
Speaker 4: Oh, we got to play from the long teas well.
Speaker 3: At our track at one hundred and forty slope and
Speaker 3: seventy five hundred yards, that's way too far from most people.
Speaker 4: So that's a long day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one hundred and forty slope is not an
Speaker 1: easy track, no, that is.
Speaker 3: And it's long, and it's tight, and you go into
Speaker 3: a forest and you're going down the valley. You know
Speaker 3: that has minus six slope from the top down to
Speaker 3: the bottom, and most guys take double par or worse.
Speaker 1: It's all wow, Michael, it's so great to finally get
Speaker 1: to talk to you and for you to share what
Speaker 1: you've learned and what you can teach us. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you for contacting me. I'm this is what
Speaker 3: I want to do now. So this is my passion.
Speaker 3: And and like I said, I'm trying to get caught
Speaker 3: up to all you other guys that have been playing
Speaker 3: golf for so long, and and I just want to
Speaker 3: share what I've learned and grow the game because I
Speaker 3: know it's suffering and and I know we need to
Speaker 3: have more juniors in there, like I train the Golf
Speaker 3: Canada Juniors here and if the parents golf, the kids
Speaker 3: will golf. And we need to get that going. And
Speaker 3: we need to get more people into the game of
Speaker 3: golf because it's something that you can do for the
Speaker 3: rest of your life. And I've met some amazing people
Speaker 3: from around the world in the last six years of
Speaker 3: playing golf.
Speaker 1: So all right, so what's your cure. How do we
Speaker 1: get more people to the game?
Speaker 3: You know, what we need to be friendlier on the
Speaker 3: golf course to each other. We need to help people out, right,
Speaker 3: We need to help people out.
Speaker 4: We need to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's for the people that are already or
Speaker 1: how do we get new people out of the course.
Speaker 3: By bringing someone out? And I know, we definitely need
Speaker 3: to have a lot more par threes. And like that
Speaker 3: one thing you had years ago, that one golf course
Speaker 3: where you could actually play three holes.
Speaker 4: At a time. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, a golf course that has sets of three holes,
Speaker 3: you can play as many as you want. You can
Speaker 3: play three, six, nine, whatever. But we need to have
Speaker 3: easier courses. We need to have a golf superintendents having
Speaker 3: pins that are much easier, you know, with regard to
Speaker 3: the whole size. Well, we're putting we're basically playing golf
Speaker 3: on the level that the pros played. And you know,
Speaker 3: pin placements that are inside of slopes, on ski hills,
Speaker 3: on ant hills, that are pins that are inaccessible, it
Speaker 3: slows the game down. And in the tournament, yeah, go
Speaker 3: ahead and place the pins, you know, in ridiculous places.
Speaker 3: But for the average population to have a good game,
Speaker 3: and when you leave that day and you say, man,
Speaker 3: I had a great experience. I'm going back to that
Speaker 3: golf course. You don't have to prove anything that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: our track is one hundred and forty slow because we
Speaker 3: have the pins in stupid spots. And unfortunately we've had
Speaker 3: that the last couple of years because we've had people
Speaker 3: cut in our grass but don't necessarily play golf, and
Speaker 3: they put the pins in places that no one's ever
Speaker 3: told them not to put them there, so it actually
Speaker 3: slows things down and when everyone is four putting, it's
Speaker 3: very frustrating.
Speaker 4: And golf you need to have it as.
Speaker 3: An enjoyable experience, and unfortunately, from what I've seen, it's
Speaker 3: not that enjoyable anymore. And you need to have people
Speaker 3: have a great experience. It's going to be a long day.
Speaker 3: You know, you expected four to five hours or more.
Speaker 3: By the time you get there is probably longer. But
Speaker 3: give them a good experience, good memories, and they'll come back.
Speaker 4: And that's what I try to do at my track
Speaker 4: as a golf member. Now I'm finally a member at.
Speaker 3: A track for the last three years, and I try
Speaker 3: to give everyone that I play with a great experience.
Speaker 3: I lead them around with their own personal caddy and
Speaker 3: you know, cracking jokes and stuff like.
Speaker 4: That and just making it a little bit easier your
Speaker 4: because golf is tough. It is a hard game to master.
Speaker 3: And just me think you've got it, someone taps you
Speaker 3: on the shoulder and gives you a slap in the
Speaker 3: face and it's like you take a eight right on.
Speaker 4: The four or four.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh no, I had a par street going
Speaker 3: and then boom to blow up.
Speaker 1: So, Michael, if people wanted to see your stuff online
Speaker 1: or get in touch with you to maybe get some
Speaker 1: flexibility and strength training lessons or TPI certified work, how
Speaker 1: do we get in touch with you and where do
Speaker 1: we find you?
Speaker 4: Well, I've got about three or four thousand training videos.
Speaker 3: I'm a little obsessed with my videos on top cop Guru.
Speaker 3: So I was watching cops one night and that was
Speaker 3: the only thing that actually came to mind that I
Speaker 3: could actually use on YouTube. So just top cop Guru
Speaker 3: and you just put in the browser bodyweight training, suspension systems, golf.
Speaker 1: So a top cop Guru is the YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, that's or all my videos.
Speaker 1: Are, and I'll put one of them on our blog.
Speaker 1: I'll share one of your videos. Which one do you
Speaker 1: think we should see.
Speaker 3: Something that I trained with clients. I also use the
Speaker 3: assistant called Birdie balls. That is one of the best things.
Speaker 1: I love the Birdie balls if you can find them anymore.
Speaker 3: Great friends with John down there, and he keeps sending
Speaker 3: me because I'm the only guy I think in the
Speaker 3: world that actually hits him in minus ten or fifteen
Speaker 3: in the winter time. And I put them through the
Speaker 3: test and I've literally worn out two boxes and I
Speaker 3: hit those with real balls into a net with my
Speaker 3: impact bag and orange whip. And so if you look
Speaker 3: up anything on birdie ball in training golf in the
Speaker 3: park under my top coup threw site, okay, you'll find
Speaker 3: it and all my other informations on there with regards
Speaker 3: to my email.
Speaker 4: Address and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And if people want something answered, I'll be more than
Speaker 3: happy to help them out with the best I can.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you and again thank you so much for
Speaker 1: sharing in your time and and for your support for
Speaker 1: such a long time.
Speaker 4: Oh and I'm sorry to go play now. Mm hmm.