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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and fifty three.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our

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interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations

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like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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Speaker 3: You've probably seen people with very short backswings, So if

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you can actually create.

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Speaker 4: A little bit more of a backswing, you're going.

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Speaker 3: To have a much more fluid fallow through and that

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just adds ten to fifty to twenty yards. And as

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I've been doing this now for six years, have slowly

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increase my driving distance like aboute five to ten yards

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every year. And that's an accumulation of all the flexibility stuff,

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of all the balancing on trying to get my shoulders

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a rotate a little bit farther, sort of like lessening

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my upper back muscle mask because I'm not training really

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heavy and during a summer anymore like I do during

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the winter for when I ski, and it's just basically

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bouncing out and trying to do things that are applicable

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for your bent over is one of the hardest things

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on back compared to doing exercises where you're standing up right,

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and when you go on golf posture.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people can't stay in golf posture.

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Speaker 3: They have either a c spine it's very rounded, or

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it's overextended, and it's almost like a hyper extended state,

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and that creates tremendous pressure in their back and a

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lot of guys stand up and as soon as you

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stand up, you've lost your swing.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred and thirty seven rounds by September first in

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Canada with Michael Hammel. This is Golf Smarter. Welcome to

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the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Michael, thank you, Gred. Finally great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, finally, you know, it's so funny that I'm welcoming

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you to the Golf Smarter Podcast. You're very familiar with

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this program, aren't.

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Speaker 4: You, Yes, I've listened to it. I thinks it's day one.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's seedback you and I have to tell you

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how much I appreciate the friendship that we've developed on email.

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This is the first time we're speaking, but you've you've

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kept me up to date on your game, You've kept

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me up to date on the weather, and it's really

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been fun. I really enjoyed getting to know you this way.

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Speaker 4: It's been great.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you are definitely responsible for where I am today,

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without question.

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Speaker 4: Wait, I know you speechless.

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Speaker 1: I know where you are in golf, not in live.

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Speaker 3: In golf and my excitement for the game of golf

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and the reason why I went back to school for

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titleists and so on. But you started the ball rolling

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and got me excited in golf that I could realize

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I could actually do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were playing golf before you you found the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Right, No, no, no, I did.

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Speaker 3: I just started. I just started listening to it. Was

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not playing golf, was not interested in golf.

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Speaker 1: So and and what what got you interested in golf?

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Why did you get started?

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Speaker 3: I was just tired of my clients, my personal training

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clients and friends ask me to go golf, so I

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thought maybe I'd give it a try. And so I

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didn't want to look too foolish, so I started googling

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some stuff and I found this thing called a Golf

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Smarter podcast, and I thought it would give me the

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information regarding what golf was about and what I needed

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to know. And I just started listening and it sounded

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interesting and it was probably something that I could probably

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do for the rest of my life. And that's just

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how it started the ball rolling and got me excited

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about understanding the game of golf.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so you were just a neophied, a brand new

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golfer at the time. And tell me where's your handicap today?

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately it's gone up to about a three point two.

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Speaker 1: So do you know how many people would love to say, unfortunately,

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I'm a free Why where was it? Where did it

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get to?

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Speaker 4: It got too low as a two? Oh?

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Speaker 1: My, so that's pretty remarkable. But how much golf do

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you play?

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Speaker 4: Well? People are gonna hate me, but.

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Speaker 1: Oh they already hate you. You said you're three. We

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all hate you already, Michael.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yesterday I said another personal record on two hundred

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and thirty seven point five rounds for the season so far.

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Speaker 1: Here we are in the beginning of September. How many

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days in this year so far?

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Speaker 4: Are you? So?

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Speaker 1: How many? How many rounds a week are you playing?

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Speaker 4: Roughly to a day? So up to sixty rounds a month? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes, we we collectively hate you.

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Speaker 3: Okay a day.

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Speaker 1: Don't you work? Yes?

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Speaker 4: A lot.

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Speaker 1: Well how much. Wait, let's let's talk about where you're

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based and how much sunshine you get during the year.

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Speaker 3: Well, like I tell people, I'm not a fair weather golfer,

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and in Calgary, Alberta, we can get from Like. Yes,

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like I said earlier, we got snow yesterday south of us,

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about two to three inches and it literally rained all

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day yesterday. And I was besides me, there are two

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other guys dressed like people that were going to go

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to the Arctic.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 3: There's only three of us that were on the golf

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course yesterday, and I needed to get that round in

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to tie my last year's personal best of two thirty

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seven rounds. And I just golf whenever, whenever I get

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a chance, because the season up here is so short,

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and last year I never had a chance to go

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away because we had those epic floods and for the

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month of July, I never played much golf because I

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injured myself and I was basically homeless for four weeks

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because of the floods.

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Speaker 1: So, oh my gosh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was tough up here.

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Speaker 3: And then you guys have you know, all that drought,

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and then we have all this excess rain.

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Speaker 4: So we need a.

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Speaker 1: Pipeline between Calgary and California. Huh absolutely, so yeah, yeah,

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well we just uh, the last episode, we talked about

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drought conditions here in California and you're experiencing the complete opposite. Huh.

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In the you're in the north. You're in the central North.

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Speaker 3: No, southern part of southern part of Alberta, just maybe

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about three hours shy of the Montana border.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're in central Canada, but on the southern part

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of it Western Western that's considered the westc.

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Speaker 3: BC and then Alberta and then Saskatchewan and then Manitoba,

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and those are usually for western provinces.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Well, I've never understood the west thing. When

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they talk about you know, like Ohio is they consider

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the west, and to me, that's the mid east. It's

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the middle eastern part of the country. But because this

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country is so east coast centric that California is like

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way west, but that everything from California to Illinois is

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the West. It's like, what how do you do that? Anyway?

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I mean, I still don't understand Pittsburgh is in the

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in the middle part of the country, and Okay, that's

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geography is not my best part, but the golf is.

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Let's talk about your amazing accomplishments on the golf course.

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You've been playing for I guess if you've been six

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years now? Okay, so we've been doing the podcast. Is

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our tenth year of doing the podcast. You've been playing

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golf for six years? And what were your struggles when

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you first started. I mean, if you're already down to it,

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you've been down to a two, what have you struggled with?

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And is really banging balls? You know, thirty six holes

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a day really make the difference.

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Speaker 3: Well, like we talked about before before we were going

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to do this, and some of the stuff that I've

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seen since I started playing golf, people practice very poorly,

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not the way they play. And when I first started,

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I could not hit a straight ball. It was all slice,

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banana slice, because no one told me that I had

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to release my hands, and not until I actually heard

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Tiger say that on one Golf channel and said, you

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have to shake hands with the target. And as soon

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as I started shaking hands with the target, I started

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hitting the ball straight. I started controlling a little bit

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of a draw, I started practicing more short game and

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in the beginning, I actually did hit a lot of

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balls on the range, but I also tore a bunch

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of ligaments in my elbow from overdoing it and hitting mats,

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and it never taught me anything. So unless someone actually

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has a golf pro readily available watching what you're doing,

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you just basically solidifying bad habits by just swinging endless

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balls with no purpose.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. Tell me more about the shaking hands with

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the target. I want to back that up a second.

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Speaker 3: So I'm a lefty, okay, and I played my whole

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life playing hockey left and back when I in nineteen

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eighty and grade ten, we went out in high school

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to go play golf and my teacher gave me right

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handed clubs.

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Speaker 4: And I.

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Speaker 3: Played hockey in my whole life left handed. Why would

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I play golf right hand? He said, well, no one

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should ever play golf left handed. So I tried hitting

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the ball around right handed, and it was not normal

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for me, and so I gave it up. So I

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never took anything up to it. And then when I

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started playing with my younger nephews left handed clubs, I

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started getting the hang of hitting it, but everything was

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a slice, and so now you righties are gonna have

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to follow me as a lefty. So you basically, when

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you take your swing towards the back, your thumbs will

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face behind you correct and as you go through the

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target line when you hit the ball, your thumbs are

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now straight out in front of you. And then when

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you actually proceed, I'm gonna say this for a righty,

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your thumbs are now going to start facing the target.

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Speaker 4: And if you finished that.

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Speaker 3: Hand position with both thumbs, ninety nine percent of the

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time the ball will go straight with just a little

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baby draw. But most people don't finish they hold they

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you don't finish the swing at the top, and they

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don't finish it at the back.

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Speaker 4: And you have to shake.

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Speaker 3: Hands with not only the target behind you, but you

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have to finish with your thumbs facing forward to the

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target line as well. And that's one of the biggest

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Eureka moments I ever had. That when I saw that

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on the Golf channel, when I went out to the

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range of that day, I could hit the ball straight

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for the first time, and it was so small of

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a little thing, but it was the biggest thing that

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changed my golf. So and I've had people watching me

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and stuff like that, but they didn't know what I

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was doing wrong. And what I've found out in the

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last six years, golf is really finicky with the people

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that you meet. Fifty percent I think of the people

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don't know what's wrong with a person's golf swing.

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Speaker 4: And now the other fifty percent, No.

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Speaker 3: But they really don't want to share those secrets with

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you because they don't want you to improve.

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Speaker 1: Why would they, Oh, because they're instructors. They don't want

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to improve because they're all business.

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Speaker 3: No, not necessarily instructors, but there are definitely some instructors

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that I've actually put in heads with that I've helped

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people on my golf course and I've managed to tweak

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their game and they've had some of the best games

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ever and it was just the littlest detail. And you know,

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some unfortunately golf coaches want you as because that's their profession.

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They want to keep you around. If you fix something,

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they may not need you anymore. But just like with

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me being a personal trainer, I'm not going to be

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able to save someone's body and fitness just within one session.

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That's sort of like an ongoing thing and from there

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I get feedback from other clients and referrals, and that

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just keeps the whole ball running. With personal training, and

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now that I found a passion for golf, I'm able

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to do that and actually see what's wrong with people's

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golf swing because I had all those bad flaws coming

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and probably more so so, and because I play so

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much golf. Now I'm trying to play catch up to

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all you guys who are playing golf since you were fetuses.

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That guy I'm so far behind in my will be

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fifty this year, and most of you guys have been

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playing golf since you were single digits, so.

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Speaker 1: In age single digit and age.

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Speaker 4: Yes see, not single digit and handicap.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're trying to catch up. You've

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surpassed most players as it is.

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Speaker 3: Oh I know, but what alamsos once you have you

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ever played hockey?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: So what amsos for you to learn to play hockey?

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Now all your patterns and motor skills have been solidified already,

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you might be able to take some of those things

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from baseball and from golf and simulate probably a better

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hockey swing, but you're never fully going to get the

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hockey swing.

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Speaker 1: I'll never fully get the golf swing. I started playing

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in my forties.

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Speaker 3: No, that's that's not true, but it's it's much put

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it this way, it's much harder bo mechanically and connectic wise, to.

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Speaker 4: Take up the game later in life.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and then when when you started, like when you

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look at mac Roy's swing when he was five, it's fallless.

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He's better swinging at five than did most guys have

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swung their whole career when they started at twenty or thirty.

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But you know what, golf is pretty much the only

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sport you could probably do for the rest of your life.

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And that's why I just found so much passion with it.

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Because of all the things that I've done to my body.

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I've had nineteen serious lower back injuries and two dislocated palvises.

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Golf is not one of the biggest things for me

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to do. So the body does not want to do rotation, flection,

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and extension all at the same time. And then when

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you do it poorly, you actually create even more injury potential.

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So I have to rethink my training, I have to

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rethink my practice all that stuff in order to get

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to where I am today. So I, like they say,

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it takes a village to you know, create a child.

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And with your podcast, with my friends and clients and

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the TPI stuff, I just managed to condense it a

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little bit quicker than most people do in ten or

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twenty years.

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Speaker 1: So as a TPI, let's talk about what it is

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to be a two GI instructor and what that's done

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for your game.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was tremendous down two and a half days

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down in Mesa with you top quality TPI titleist professionals

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of LPGA, MDS, PGA tour players, the personal trainers, Cairo's

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physios put together twelve assessments, of which fifty percent of

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the people that have actually assessed fail and they have

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failure built right into them. And so for me actually

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assessing myself, I actually found out that I actually had

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a left glute that would never fire.

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Speaker 4: And if you can't fire your glues, which.

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Speaker 3: Makes up eighty percent of the golf swing from the

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ground up for power wise, you're not going to have

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a very efficient game off the tee as well as

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your mid irons.

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Speaker 4: And it actually even affected my short game.

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Speaker 3: So it just showed me the full aspect on exactly

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what the tour pros have to go through to get

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golf fit and that it was fit before of doing

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a powerlifting and being a bodybuilder and stuff like that.

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But I wasn't golf fit. I did all the wrong

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things not applicable to the game of golf. And that's

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what was an eye opener. And so when I came

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back to Calgary, I revamped my entire training program. I

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understood the flaws that my clients were talking to me

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about their aches and pains, because as I start to

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get into golfing a little bit more, I understood what

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they were talking about the game of golf, and then

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that completely changed my passion for fitness and it was

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all specifically designed just for golf fit.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating. Let's pursue the concept of golf fit and what

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you learned about it and why is that different from

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what you were doing as a bodybuilder.

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Speaker 3: Well, bodybuilder is just aesthetics from the outside and trying

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to have your upper and lower balance with your sides

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and your front and back.

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Speaker 1: But golf that's not necessarily So bodybuilding is not necessarily

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a fitness it's a display.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: So even when I was a powerlifter, I looked totally

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different as a power lifter, like very bulky, very thick,

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compared to when I was a bodybuilder, completely two different physiques.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Like the powerlifter was extremely strong and powerful, but not

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very cut and not very lean because you want to

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have a little bit more body fat to protect the joints.

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time because I was so lean. I was less than

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two percent body fat and like paper thin skin and

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tired all the time. But I wasn't that strong. Interesting,

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but I look strong, because.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's surprised me. It was always when you

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see bodybuilders, they look incredibly fit and amazing shape.

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Speaker 4: But as you get leaner and leaner and leaner, you

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don't have a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of body fat to protect your joints, and you're extremely

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exhaustive from trying to maintain such a low body fat level.

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And it kind of makes you go crazy too, because

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you're carbol depleted and you're tired, and you're you know,

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training three four times a day and of cardio and weights.

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But when I went to the TPI and took up

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the golf fitness there, it was a complete mind blowing

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experience that I needed to now balance out both sides

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a little bit more efficiently, more rotation from not only

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my wrists, my elbow, shoulders, you know, mid thrastic upper

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back neck.

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Speaker 4: And at the same time, I really had.

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Speaker 3: To watch on over torquing for my lower back, and

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I did tweak my back a few times when I

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first started on trying to swing too hard and especially

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trying to keep up to guys that were I was

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playing with that could just crush the ball eighty tow

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one hundred yards farther, and I thought I just needed

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to swing harder, but it was there was just no

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power in my swing. I swung, but absolutely no power.

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And I learned how to slow it down like Freddy

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Couples and Ernie L's and get more rotation. And now

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you know, I'm within ten to fifteen yards of these

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guys when I started.

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Speaker 1: And you're probably ten fifteen yards beyond.

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Speaker 4: Them some of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because if I you know, I know how

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to play a cut now with my driver, and I

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know how to play a draw, so I can play

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both sides. Because one of the guys I used to

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play with what was taught by Moon Norman, our Canadian

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legend and Billy Casper, And one of the biggest things

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that they said is you never ever fight the wind.

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So in a draw wind, for me, left to right

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it's my go to shot. And when there's a right

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to left wind, I've learned how to cut it into there.

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And sometimes my longest driving in a cut wind so

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far as three fifty six yards.

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Speaker 4: So I got all that one that day. Yeah, you did.

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Speaker 1: And you weren't swinging hard.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: I was actually choked down and I just cranked on

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it and I hit up on it and I just

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left it into the wind, and I said, just see.

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Speaker 4: You, and I'll see you when I get to you.

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Speaker 3: And by the time I lasered it and put it

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on the GPS with another guy who came out to

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three fifty six. That's but that's something that most people

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are not willing to learn to hit it. A little

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cut and a little draw, and those things are game savers.

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And that's why I've dropped my index so far, because

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half the holes on my track out of twenty seven holes,

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half of them are cuts and half of them are draws.

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And I have to be able to work it around

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from right to left, especially on the long par fives,

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or I'll never get there in uh sometimes he even

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three because it's such a hard dog leg left on

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some of them when they go when I go down

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into our valley that I just can't get home in

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three because I'm stimmied by trees.

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Speaker 1: So all right, now more about golf fit, what that

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means and what we need to do.

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Speaker 4: To get there.

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Speaker 3: Well, the biggest thing, eighty percent of it is glutes

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and abdominals, and most people don't have strong enough glute

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to balance out both sides to stay stable. And like

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one of the guys I golf with, he's about a

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plus four. It basically is from the ground up. You

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have to be stable from the ground up, creating power

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and be able to transfer, you know, for a wrighty

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from right and load it to your left hip. And

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most people, when I start training them, they have absolutely

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no hip power whatsoever, no flexibility, no rotate, And most

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people just are arm swingers and they've adapted to swinging

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with their arms. But eventually that gets to create tremendous

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torque in their back, their hips, their ankles, their knees,

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and after you know, you get after age fifty and

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stuff like that, you start losing sonovia fluid in your joints,

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bones start to reb on bones, and the golf game

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is not that fun anymore.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I can.

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Speaker 3: Do what I can do, Like I can go fifty

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four holes in a day and the only thing that

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is sore is just my feet from walking.

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Speaker 4: But other than that, my back is perfect.

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Speaker 3: I don't overswing, you know, and some days they're windy

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and I just play within myself. But it has to

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do with golf fitness home basically an example of what

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golf fitness can do that most people you should be

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able to golf thirty six holes.

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Speaker 4: Pain free walking, Yeah, you should be right, but most

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people with apems is there, they don't train correctly.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think most people have the stamina to

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do thirty six holes in a day.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, just like on the one email saying that one

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guy I was golfing with that could already get through

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eighteen because he smoked a cigar the entire time and

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he was hot, cat coughing and hack and I I

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was surprised that he would walk and smoke that size

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of a cigar for the entire round, and by the

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time he walked up on one of our hils, he

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literally had to take.

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Speaker 4: A five minute break wow, and we were.

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Speaker 3: Getting behind it and we pretty much almost had to

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leave him there on the tea box. So it all

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depends on what's important to you. And for me, I'm

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probably a different breathe than most people. My grandfather taught

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me about if you're gonna have something to do in life,

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have to do it with passion or don't do it

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at all. And I took up the game of golf,

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and I gave it three years to see whether or

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not I could figure it out, whether or not my

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back would take care of itself and I wouldn't injure

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it anymore, and I just fell in love with it.

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So and like I said, I rechanged my training to

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be more golf fit, more rotation, more flexibility.

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Speaker 4: And I've got ten fifteen years in Taekwindo. So I

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didn't lack.

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Speaker 3: Flexibility, but golf flexibility. And in martial arts that's a

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little different flexibility than in golf. So I started bouncing

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out my left and right sides. I started swinging with

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an orange whip.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever heard of one of those.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I actually I have the version of it

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by skills.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible, absolutely incredible device. So it creates leg time,

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it slows down your speed. I have an impact bag,

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I have PVC balls that I throw against the concrete wall.

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Abdominant work. Plus I specialize in bodyweight training suspension systems,

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and that's all has to do with rotation and getting

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the body loaded. And so basically I trained my clients

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pre season so their bodies are already ready to swing

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a golf club and the little finesse stuff that'll slowly come.

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But most people injure themselves within the first couple of

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weeks of playing in the season, especially when they're in Canada,

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if they don't go away, and they injure themselves because

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their body is not ready for that torque. So I

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get them ready for a golf swing and they're ready

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to go out. They may not play the best because

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they haven't tweaked their short game, but their bodies are

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ready to swing golf club and fairly hard.

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Speaker 1: No, we don't want to swing hard.

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Speaker 4: I thought we said no, But what amsos.

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Speaker 3: Most people think they need to swing hard when they

479
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first start out. And you'll see, guys, we've you know,

480
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,839
we've discussed this. I've actually even heard it on your

481
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,880
podcast where guys will crank out the big dog right

482
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away on the range. Yeah, and they won't work their

483
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way up on the bag, and so they think they

484
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need to swing really hard. And I see it every

485
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:29,799
day at my track, and I'm going to see it

486
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again this afternoon when I go play. Guys will crank

487
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out the driver first thing. And that's the worst thing

488
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you can do for your body. It's it's such an

489
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:40,079
overloaded shock to the body that you need to slowly

490
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warm up the hands and the little muscles and then

491
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the big boy muscles will autom actually come.

492
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Speaker 1: I was doing some analysis of my statistics and you know,

493
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I hit the driver seven times around, you know, because

494
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I hit my four wood off the tee a lot

495
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three wood forward. I heard I hit that all off

496
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the tee. If it's if it's narrow or I know

497
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I can reach, you know, trouble, or I want to

498
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position myself better so I won't take the driver, and

499
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I don't hit the driver that much. So that's for

500
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me that that is the least important club to be

501
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,000
working on when I'm on the driving range, and sometimes

502
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when i'm when I'm on the driving range the driver.

503
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I try to hit it like one hundred yards. I

504
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try not to hit it really hard. I try to

505
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,960
take a nice, easy, slow swing and you know, do

506
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,279
something different with it, but not just crank it out.

507
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I'll take on the range. I'll take two or three

508
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,880
swings with the driver I have found And please concur

509
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,559
if you found this to be true as well. But

510
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,079
my scores are going down because I'm working more on

511
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,880
everything inside of one hundred yards.

512
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Speaker 3: Did you want to know a big secret just between

513
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:56,039
you and I? Because no one else is going to

514
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:56,400
hear this.

515
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Speaker 4: Right, nobody, nobody?

516
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,599
Speaker 3: Okay, what I have found in the last six years,

517
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and not only from my game, but the guys I

518
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,599
play with that are near scratch.

519
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: They play to a shot that they know.

520
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,599
Speaker 3: They're going to get to within a hula hoop, and

521
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,119
mine is my gap witch around eighty eight yards eighty

522
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,000
nine that's usually Birdie and my clients hate that because

523
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000
they like to get on in two on a par

524
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,720
fives And what happens those nine and half percent of

525
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,200
the time they put it in the woods sand bunker

526
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,079
and they come out with a bogie or double and

527
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,039
I'm coming up with Bertie because I lay up to

528
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,440
eighty eight to ninety yards and I never go for

529
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:38,119
some par fives anymore. I lay up and I play

530
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the whole backwards to one hundred yards.

531
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Speaker 4: Or less out.

532
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Speaker 3: Like you just said, that's the biggest Eureka moment that

533
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:47,519
I've probably had in a game of golf, that there's

534
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,559
just sometimes opportunities, unless it's downwind, that I just won't

535
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:55,200
go and try my track at some of the par fives.

536
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,319
Speaker 4: And two it's just too much to risk.

537
00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:59,559
Speaker 3: And I already have kept my stats, and I know

538
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,079
now that the Game Golf has come out, I've kept

539
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,759
my you know, greens irregulation and fairways and putting. And

540
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:07,799
on the days that I lay up to like a

541
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,400
front pin, I may not have a greener regulation, but

542
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,200
I only have one putt because the chipped it tight.

543
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Speaker 1: H Well, listen, you're a Golf Smarter member. You you

544
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:21,079
know about the game golf and getting your extra discount,

545
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,920
and thank you for being a Golf Smarter member.

546
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,599
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Thank you.

547
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, it's I'm I'm glad you

548
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:28,960
found value in it.

549
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Fred, And we had this discussion way back in

550
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,400
the day where I could not believe that you were

551
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,519
given that type of information for free.

552
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,559
Speaker 4: I was shocked, you know, from elite you know.

553
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: Doctors like doctor Bob Ertel and Retella and like there's

554
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,680
hundreds of people that you've had on that. I was

555
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,839
shocked that, you know, it wasn't even a paid service.

556
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So I'm feel guilty too for you know, listen to

557
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it for free.

558
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: Well that's okay, because I never had Bob Rutella on

559
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:59,400
the show, didn't you. I'm pretty sure I's never talked

560
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,720
to him. I've always want it. I've always wanted to

561
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:06,359
Joe parent lots of the time with Joe Parent. There

562
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,039
you go episode number one, and then golf and probably

563
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,599
about seven or eight more times after that as well.

564
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Speaker 4: Yes, you know he's he's.

565
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: Been fantastic for the mental gal absolutely and his books

566
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,240
are amazing too.

567
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

568
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: What what are your favorite exercises to do for the

569
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glutes in the core that you can share with us

570
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,920
for free?

571
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,319
Speaker 4: You know, just a simple lunch.

572
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,079
Speaker 3: I've actually started working on uh an invention based on

573
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,000
glute thrusts where you actually lie down on the ground

574
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,799
with your knees bent and you lie on the ground

575
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,279
your hands face down and you basically are lifting your

576
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,519
butt in the air. And it's one of the ones

577
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,119
that actually got from TPI, but we actually do it

578
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,839
with single leg and I actually worked on single leg

579
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,319
glue thrusts and if you want, I can send some

580
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,960
pictures and we can actually put it on your side

581
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,440
if you want. That was one of the number one

582
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things that actually got me to reactivate my left glute, because,

583
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,559
like I said, I've had so many injuries that I've

584
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:16,279
actually had satic problems for the last probably thirty years. Yeah,

585
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:18,440
and so that was one of the biggest things on

586
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,720
getting the glutes more bounced for more power.

587
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:23,519
Speaker 4: But it's more usable power.

588
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: And usually when muscles are tight, they're always being fired

589
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,599
and they actually bring in other muscle groups that continue

590
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,839
the firing process and that leads to more injuries. So

591
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,799
you want to have muscles that can fire at the

592
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,640
smallest little reaction, but then also learn how to relax.

593
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And being seated is probably one of the worst things

594
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we can do as human beings, So I teach my

595
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,359
clients sitting down is one of the worst things we

596
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,319
can do with our body because it actually deactivates things.

597
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And most people don't squeeze their glutes and their abs.

598
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So I have people actually sit on Swiss balls at

599
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,599
work and they're actually bouncing around on the ball to

600
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keep their bodies active. And then I also make them

601
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,119
drink a lot more water, so they actually have to

602
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,400
go to the washroom at least once an hour, and

603
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,039
that sort of deactivates some stress in their body from

604
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sitting for a six to.

605
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Speaker 4: Eight hour day.

606
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, So I have a lot of the glute

607
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,200
trusts for building glutes abdominals. You don't want to build

608
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,799
up abs that are so thick and so strong that

609
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,200
actually they limit the ability for the body to rotate.

610
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,200
So you know, tons of rotational stuff with like I said,

611
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:33,759
those PDC balls up here we go and killgram. So

612
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440
roughly around a five to ten pound ball that actually bounces,

613
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,559
and it's a solid ball, and you throw it up

614
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:42,480
against the wall and if from about five feet out,

615
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,119
and if it actually bounces back to your hands, that

616
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480
means that you're using the power of your glutes that

617
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,519
actually brings the ball back. And most people who actually

618
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,039
are arm swingers will throw the ball against the wall

619
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and it'll fall right to the ground and there's no

620
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:57,599
power there, and then that means they have to stand

621
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too close to the wall.

622
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Speaker 4: So if you can actually throw, you know, one.

623
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: Of those ten pound balls from five to six feet

624
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:06,039
at a concrete wall and it bounces back to you

625
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:09,640
in the same force, in the same direction, that's a

626
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,039
lot of glue power. But most people can't do that

627
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:16,759
for ten to fifteen reps aside, So, and also.

628
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Speaker 4: The biggest thing is flexibility.

629
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Speaker 3: I specialize in flexibility as well, so tons of hit flexibility, hamstrings,

630
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:27,319
growing the side, hips, the lower back, shoulders, wrists.

631
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Speaker 4: Basically it's a full.

632
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Speaker 3: Kinetic from the wrists all the way down to the

633
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ankles and feet. So and out of the think of

634
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,599
almost a thousand games now played in six years, there's

635
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,960
a thousand different ways to swing a golf club. And

636
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,200
but Titleist says, there's one, only one efficient way to swing.

637
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And people are basically designed to swing a golf club

638
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,599
at an early age. And if you've taken it up

639
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,519
at you know, your twenties and thirties and forties, based

640
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,559
on your past physical history, you're gonna swing it a

641
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,359
certain weight. And I've seen some horrific swings where I

642
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,039
can't even watch the people swing It literally causes me

643
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,759
back pain when I actually watch them swing. So they're

644
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:13,680
holding their breath like they're grunting and almost like a

645
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,480
Monica Sealis tennis match.

646
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,279
Speaker 4: So but and you can tell it it's.

647
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: It's a powerless effort or effortless rather than effortless power

648
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:27,880
And you know, like Freddy Couples, we just had them

649
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,799
up here on the weekend and he won is the

650
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:31,960
senior tournament up here at the Champions Tour at Keny

651
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:35,880
Medals and just incredible fluid swing.

652
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:44,799
Speaker 1: So what you mentioned holding their breath. What negative impact

653
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,119
on your golf swing is holding your breath? Because I've

654
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:50,200
seen a lot of people do just that just before

655
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,680
they take this swing. They'll take a huge gulp of

656
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:58,000
air and hold it and then do their swing versus somebody.

657
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,839
And what I try to do is take a deep

658
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,480
breath and let it out before I start my swing.

659
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,759
What kind of negative impact is holding your breath?

660
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: Well? Have you heard of the valsalva maneuver? No?

661
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,039
Speaker 1: I have not.

662
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,759
Speaker 3: It's where deep divers that have no tanks on will

663
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,079
actually do this breathing exercise to get more O two

664
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,400
in and more less CO two out so they can

665
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,880
actually dive farther down. But what happens, though, is it

666
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,880
creates tremendous pressure in your abdominal wall, and you could

667
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,799
actually get a massive hernia. You could blank out, you

668
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,720
could pop blood vessels in your eyes. Like you said,

669
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:35,119
the biggest thing is that, you know, you take a

670
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,400
breath in and then just slowly about half of it out,

671
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,839
just so that you're still stable. It's like trying to

672
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,400
lift a really heavy weight and let all the air out. Well,

673
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,880
you're not going to be able to do it. But

674
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,559
if you take too much air in and put all

675
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,599
that thoracic pressure in, you're going to cause some trauma.

676
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880
And now you're not only work in your body in

677
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
a lateral fashion, you're actually doing rotation, flection, and extension

678
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,720
all at the same time, and those three things together,

679
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,519
if you do one of them, you're in a world

680
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,279
of hurts. So you want to be able to have

681
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,079
a little bit of breath in there to hold your

682
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:09,440
transverse abdominance in on the inside. That sort of like

683
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,200
stabilizes the spine, but not to the point where we're

684
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,279
actually putting tremendous pressure on your spinal calm as well.

685
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Speaker 1: It's all you said you didn't that it's not good

686
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,079
to build the abs too much. No, what are your

687
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,400
favorite exercises for people to get enough ab strength but

688
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,839
not overdo it and still retain the flexibility that they need.

689
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: Well, I try to do three or four things at once.

690
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,119
So the biggest one is that PVC ball through. So

691
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240
when you're standing on the ground, now, you've got to

692
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,599
try to get your body weight, lower your center of gravity,

693
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,400
which stimulates a golf swing. You're taking this ball, you're

694
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,319
swinging it in your arms, you're throwing it up against

695
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,319
the wall, it's coming back to you. So that's tremendous

696
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,039
power on one side. And then you switch it and

697
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:55,839
you do the other side, so you have an equal

698
00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:02,079
opposite reaction. And you've probably seen people with very short backswings. Yeah,

699
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,759
and so if you can actually create a little bit

700
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:06,720
more of a backswing, you're going to have a much

701
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,079
more fluid fallow through. And that just adds ten, fifteen,

702
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,480
twenty yards. And as I've been doing this now for

703
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,960
six years, up slowly increase my driving distance like about

704
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,199
five to ten yards every year. And that's an accumulation

705
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,480
of all the flexibility stuff, of all the balancing on

706
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:25,400
trying to get my shoulders to rotate a little bit

707
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:31,000
farther on, sort of like lessening my upper back muscle

708
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,199
mass because I'm not training really heavy and during the

709
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,360
summer anymore like I do during the winter for when

710
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,639
I ski, and it's just basically bouncing out and trying

711
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,880
to do things that are applicable for golf that you're

712
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,800
bent over is one of the hardest things on back,

713
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,960
compared to doing exercises where you're standing upright. And when

714
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,960
you go on golf posture. A lot of people can't

715
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,719
stay in golf posture. They have either a c spine

716
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,159
which it's very rounded, or it's over extended and it's

717
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,440
almost like a hyper extended state, and that creates tremendous

718
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,400
trusure pressure in their back and a lot of guys

719
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,440
stand up and as soon as you stand up, you've

720
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:10,639
lost your swing. And like I said, there's some of

721
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,159
the stuff that I know now I never did six

722
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,679
years ago on my training, and so I try to

723
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,400
do things that are applicable to the rotation as well

724
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,840
as the stability and try to do I don't do

725
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,559
the stuff I did when I powerlifted, and I don't

726
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,719
do the stuff I did with my bodybuild. They're completely

727
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,079
opposite to what golf is and most of it is

728
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,639
just applicable with rotation and staying centered and working from

729
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,519
the ground up, and that's mostly with the glutes and

730
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,159
the hip fletchers.

731
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: There's so much conversation of golfers today spending a lot

732
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,280
more time in the gym and lifting.

733
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: Right, and you know, some of the stuff that you

734
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,719
watch if you watch the Golf Channel and the Tiles

735
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,280
Performance Institute, that's similar to some of the stuff that

736
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,440
I do in actual gyms. But a lot of my

737
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,280
clients that I train, I train on at this one park.

738
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,280
We trained yesterday and unfortunately we trained a little bit

739
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,239
in the rain and at the client's homes and they

740
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,199
don't have all that equipment, so we make do with

741
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,559
the suspension system that I use, rubber bands, balls, PVC balls,

742
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,320
and basically matt work and stuff that they can actually

743
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,880
do on their own without actually having to go to

744
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,320
a gym.

745
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:20,599
Speaker 4: And I'd love to have.

746
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,559
Speaker 3: One of those huge TPI gyms that one of our

747
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,280
guys at Jason Glass out at Vancouver has. It's one

748
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,519
of the biggest in Canada and it's absolutely huge. Is

749
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,840
like two three thousand square feet and it's massive. They

750
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,280
got every piece of equipment in there, kettlebells and everything.

751
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,159
But that's not applicable to most people unless because they

752
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,920
have to actually go to these gyms and actually train.

753
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,920
So I try to make it very simplistic for my

754
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,960
clients that they can do stuff on the road. And

755
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,360
a lot of my guys are executives of oil companies

756
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,679
and stuff like that up here, and they're on the

757
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,280
road and they don't have access to gyms sometimes because

758
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,679
they're in their hotel, and so I get them to

759
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840
do stuff that's they can actually just do right in

760
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,679
their hotel room. And most of the stuff I do

761
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,039
now is body weight training. Only your body knows what

762
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:07,880
your body needs. So most machines that I have my

763
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,280
clients from five feet to six foot two, they don't

764
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,159
fit in the machines. But when you use your own

765
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:16,079
body masks, your body mask knows what your body can

766
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,360
do because it's applicable to your own joints and your

767
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,880
levers and the kinesiology regarding your anatomy of your body.

768
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,480
It's all and that's coming, that's coming back. Body weight

769
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:29,280
training stuff is now finally come making its way back again,

770
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,840
and in my four years of gymnastics, that was probably

771
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,559
that was probably the best shape I ever was in

772
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,679
my life when I did four years of gymnastics.

773
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: Can a golfer be too flexible?

774
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: Um, Yes and no in certain areas, like I'd love

775
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,039
to be able to have Adam Scott's shoulder flexibility, but

776
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:51,480
I don't think I'll ever have that. My shoulders are

777
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:53,679
just too big from all the years of powerlifting, and

778
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,480
it takes me a while to detrain them.

779
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 4: And so that's what I'm.

780
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: Going to do over the winner on trying to get

781
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,880
a little bit more shoulder flexibility. You can definitely have

782
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,159
a little bit too much spinal flexibility, like you know,

783
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,719
the John daily swings like that, and eventually, as he

784
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,519
gets older, that's going to be a little bit less.

785
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,360
You know, Tiger's reduced as swing And it all depends on,

786
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,920
you know, if it's actually helping you or not. So

787
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,119
too much flexibility you're wound up like.

788
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:20,679
Speaker 4: A rubber band.

789
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,199
Speaker 3: But can you generate the same ground force when you

790
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:24,159
actually swing the club?

791
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 4: And everyone is different.

792
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: I have some clients that virtually have no flexibility, and

793
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,360
yet you know, there are single digit handicaps, and they've

794
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,079
adapted to that swing, and they're always on the fairway.

795
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,519
They may not drive it long, but you know, they're

796
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,320
always on the fairway. And I don't drive it that

797
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,760
long either, but I'm always on the fairway. My best

798
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,039
club in my bag is my driver. I can steer

799
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,199
that thing, choke it down. I can punt one out

800
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,000
under the wind. And you know, it's almost like a

801
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:48,559
wedge to me.

802
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: So have you gotten a game golf yet or you

803
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,199
think about getting one?

804
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,199
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's that's probably something I'm definitely gonna do in

805
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:00,960
twenty fifteen.

806
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,519
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, if you want to take advantage

807
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,920
of that members only discount, you got to jump before

808
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,840
October first?

809
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:08,199
Speaker 4: Was that the date?

810
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, they put October first on it, so you can

811
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,599
get that extra members only discount, and I'd be really fascinated. Well,

812
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:17,239
first of all, I want to get you on on

813
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,719
our challenge. We've got a challenge going for the month

814
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,920
of September that for low score. But you know you're

815
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,000
you're you're starting low, so it's going to be hard

816
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:28,079
for you to have an all time low score to

817
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:28,480
win our.

818
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 4: Prime LA month.

819
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: But I just think it would be fascinating to get

820
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,239
your thoughts on what you're learning from from you know,

821
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,599
from the statistics and the data that it's coming through

822
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:40,440
the game golf. I'd love to hear what you.

823
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,519
Speaker 3: Get out of that, well most people, from what I've

824
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,800
kept my stats on and I started kind of doing

825
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,519
stuff with my GPS and stuff like that and my laser,

826
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,440
and I don't hit it as far as I think

827
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:56,079
I do, and libody I know is that that's sad,

828
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,280
and it's it's as you know, unfortunately, I think I

829
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,360
still have a ego thinking that I'm actually going to

830
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,480
hit it farther, but you literally have to peer it.

831
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,880
And you know, our course is wet and in the

832
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,519
mornings it's cold, the ball doesn't compress much. And it's

833
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,280
basically taken me that I literally have to be my

834
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,800
own caddy and say, you know what, Mike, you got

835
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,280
to take one more club and just choke down and

836
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,679
swing easy. And I'm getting actually more balls to the

837
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,760
to the flag and actually rolling past. And in the

838
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,000
past I was always afraid to go buy the flag,

839
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:28,079
and now I'm actually getting more balls to the flag

840
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,039
and passed, so at least I know I have a

841
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:33,280
chance to actually hitting one, and that's just an ego thing.

842
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,159
So I know I need to change that aspect of

843
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,079
my game if I if I definitely want to get

844
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,000
down to a scratch golfer, I don't know if it's

845
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,280
going to be at the end of this season, but

846
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:46,159
we have a club championship Saturday Sunday, and I've been

847
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:48,360
doing a lot of practice and trying to stay in

848
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,760
the moment and listening to the positive stuff in my

849
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,559
head and being a good caddy and taking more club

850
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,119
and you know, and that's the biggest thing on trying

851
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,440
to get it there by playing within my own strengths,

852
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,679
and definitely the game golf would be absolutely amazing to

853
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,280
figure out all that stuff that you know within five

854
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,440
or ten yards that you know today, I've got to

855
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,960
be hitting my five iron this amount, and I'm going

856
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,599
to trust that, right.

857
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:18,079
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I am blown away between game golf

858
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,280
and the statistics that I've learned and what Dave Stockton

859
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,400
said in our episode a couple I get months or

860
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,159
two back when he talked about taking two clubs to

861
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:31,599
every shot and not deciding until he's standing there. I

862
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,960
was starting to see that most of my shots are

863
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:40,039
my approach shots are coming up short, and so just like, okay,

864
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,039
so you're not going to hit you're not going to

865
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,480
crush this one, but if you hit it, well, you'll

866
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,280
be at the hole or beyond it, you know, instead

867
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,159
of coming up short all the time. And that's been

868
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,639
a huge change for me as well, getting closer to.

869
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: The pin right.

870
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: And I've like, I'm helping this one guy right now

871
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,360
that got me started in one of my best friends

872
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,159
in nineteen years.

873
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,559
Speaker 4: I'm actually helping him with his wedge game. He's had the.

874
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,639
Speaker 3: Worst happy hands that I've ever seen a human have

875
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,199
in game. And he's great off the tee mid irons,

876
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,119
but his short game is just horrendous and it's tough

877
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,199
to watch sometimes. And I always tell him, I said,

878
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,480
you know, Kevin, that's not his real name, but I'll

879
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:16,320
use anyway.

880
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: Is that yes?

881
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 3: To protect He already knows he has issue with his wedges.

882
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,840
I just said, you know what, buddy, take one more club,

883
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,039
choke down and swing fluid. And he's flying that ball

884
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,199
straighter to the target and he's got a new putter

885
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,760
and this putter is on fire.

886
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 4: And I said, that's all you need now.

887
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: You don't need to impress me by trying to hit

888
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,199
that nine iron one hundred and eighty yards, because you're not.

889
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: You're going to thin it, You're gonna fat it.

890
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,639
Speaker 3: And then you swear and you know it's it's it's

891
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:47,360
a rough game from that point. Go take that aid iron,

892
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,039
choke down and let the ego go. And now he's

893
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,039
starting to enjoy the game a little bit more fun.

894
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,119
Speaker 1: But what what what are happy hands?

895
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 4: He has the yips, so he had does the DC

896
00:42:58,039 --> 00:42:59,480
chin all the time, so.

897
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: He has now you're really speaking in Canadian what.

898
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: He double taps the ball, so he stutters his hands

899
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,519
on his practice swings. He's like a Charles Barkley, perfect swings.

900
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,519
But as soon as he steps up to that ball,

901
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,440
something triggers in his head and he spends a little

902
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,719
bit too much time over the ball. Now he's got

903
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,119
massive swing thoughts, and I can tell Enough pulled him

904
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,000
off the ball several times.

905
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 4: To back off, And I said, Keavy, you got to

906
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,119
back off. You're you're thinking.

907
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 3: Now I can tell the wheels are rolling to practice swings.

908
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,920
So one of the drills that I gave him is

909
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,800
he steps behind the balls off to the side. He

910
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,599
takes a practice swing, he walks forward, practice swing, and

911
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,760
on a third swing he actually hits the ball, and

912
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,280
nine percent of the time it's on the green. But

913
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,760
the longer he spends over that ball, he starts changing

914
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,800
the club loftly angles and so he either fins it

915
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,159
or he opens it up and he swings too slow

916
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,719
and the ball comes out of the grass and he

917
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,199
actually double taps it the.

918
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: DC chin.

919
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: Wow, And that's frustrating to watch. And he does that

920
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,320
once or twice around, or he'll fat it or he'll fit.

921
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: It out the back.

922
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,079
Speaker 3: But it's just something that most people just don't spend

923
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,039
enough time on practicing their.

924
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: Short game, right, completely agree with you, yeahs.

925
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: And now that I've gotten to that point, Now that

926
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,719
I've gotten to a point where I'm starting to see

927
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,920
significant improvement in my game, I see it's because of

928
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,719
the short game. I've talked about it for such a

929
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,760
long time, but since I've been working on it and

930
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,320
see the numbers going down, it's like, oh, now I get.

931
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: It, absolutely, And so that's what I tell people when

932
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,159
when I play, and probably i'd say seventy eighty percent

933
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:39,320
of my rounds have been with perfect strangers.

934
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 4: And then they figure out what I what I do?

935
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,159
You know, they always ask me.

936
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:43,559
Speaker 3: What he do and they go, oh, well, we get

937
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,599
free lessons today, and I go, well, not really.

938
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,039
Speaker 4: I'll be your caddy, but I'm not going to give

939
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:47,519
you a lesson.

940
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: And so I guide these people around my track because

941
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,559
they've never played it, and some of the stuff I

942
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:56,960
give him advice. And one guy was from a sun

943
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,159
corepor executive here and had never played our track the

944
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:03,079
head as a son in law and daughter, and I

945
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,440
guided him around. He never shot under a hundred, and

946
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,079
once I kind of figured out his game, he pretty

947
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,079
much put the driver back in the bag and hit

948
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,800
his three wood. I've never seen a guy hit a

949
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,119
pure three wood off the deck than this guy.

950
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 4: And at the end of the.

951
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 3: Round, he shot in eighty eight and he'd never shot

952
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,119
under a hundred before because he was such a poor

953
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,920
manager of his game that he always thought he needed

954
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,440
to go go for every green, but his three wood

955
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:31,280
kept him in the fairway and his wedge play take

956
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,079
one more club.

957
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: I helped Rede's putts.

958
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:35,519
Speaker 3: Where the green was on how to bring the ball in.

959
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,400
That's a huge thing on trying to manage your golf game.

960
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Leave the eagle in the trunk and play to your strengths.

961
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:43,800
And if your strength is one fifty, go to one

962
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,239
fifty yards. If you can hit a driver that day,

963
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,760
leave it in the trunk. Don't be tempted by taking

964
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,159
that out. I'd rather see someone hit a three wood

965
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,480
two fifty, you know, two twenty five or whatever.

966
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: But hit two straight shots. You're on in apart.

967
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: Five awesome, and everyone sing along with me. Never follow

968
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,320
a bad shot.

969
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:11,119
Speaker 4: With a stupid shot.

970
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: With a stupid shot. Yeah, it's so big because like,

971
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,239
oh no, I'm in the woods here. That's no problem that.

972
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,639
You know, the ball's covered well everything. There's a root

973
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,119
behind me and there's tree trunks. But I can get

974
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,519
there in two Yeah right, No you can't. And you

975
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:28,000
know what, you're gonna double maybe triple bogie the hole

976
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,119
unless you just hit it right out in the fairway.

977
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,519
Take that shot and bogey the hole.

978
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,079
Speaker 4: Easy, what's the problem any save a shot?

979
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least one.

980
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: So another secret between you and I. One of the

981
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,559
best things that I ever did was actually enter an

982
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:43,800
amateur contest.

983
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:45,199
Speaker 4: Really what I got, what.

984
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,159
Speaker 3: I got out of that was I actually had to

985
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,559
become a caddie to myself on what would I actually

986
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,320
tell myself, under no pressure from the side, What would

987
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,920
I tell myself? What would I do in this situation? Well,

988
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,119
I probably wouldn't go through those trees like I normally would.

989
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,039
Golfing with the guys to see if I could prove

990
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,920
I could do it. And I won my first amateur

991
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:12,280
last year. So and I started playing managing my golf game.

992
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,480
I started working the whole backwards to my strength. I

993
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,599
started learning how to slow my swing down a little bit,

994
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:24,679
more more tempo, the breathing stuff, and playing within my

995
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,599
own strengths. Just like Arnold Palmer said, you know, play

996
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,079
your own game, and most guys do not play their

997
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,840
old game. Most guys right away to go to the tips.

998
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 4: Oh, we got to play from the long teas well.

999
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,559
Speaker 3: At our track at one hundred and forty slope and

1000
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,880
seventy five hundred yards, that's way too far from most people.

1001
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: So that's a long day.

1002
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one hundred and forty slope is not an

1003
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,840
easy track, no, that is.

1004
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: And it's long, and it's tight, and you go into

1005
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,440
a forest and you're going down the valley. You know

1006
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,199
that has minus six slope from the top down to

1007
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,039
the bottom, and most guys take double par or worse.

1008
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: It's all wow, Michael, it's so great to finally get

1009
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,760
to talk to you and for you to share what

1010
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,079
you've learned and what you can teach us. I really

1011
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:11,679
appreciate it. Thank you so much.

1012
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: Oh thank you for contacting me. I'm this is what

1013
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,360
I want to do now. So this is my passion.

1014
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,440
And and like I said, I'm trying to get caught

1015
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:19,800
up to all you other guys that have been playing

1016
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,199
golf for so long, and and I just want to

1017
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:26,480
share what I've learned and grow the game because I

1018
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,079
know it's suffering and and I know we need to

1019
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,199
have more juniors in there, like I train the Golf

1020
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,159
Canada Juniors here and if the parents golf, the kids

1021
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,360
will golf. And we need to get that going. And

1022
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,639
we need to get more people into the game of

1023
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:40,480
golf because it's something that you can do for the

1024
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,760
rest of your life. And I've met some amazing people

1025
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,920
from around the world in the last six years of

1026
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,480
playing golf.

1027
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:48,679
Speaker 1: So all right, so what's your cure. How do we

1028
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,679
get more people to the game?

1029
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: You know, what we need to be friendlier on the

1030
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,440
golf course to each other. We need to help people out, right,

1031
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,840
We need to help people out.

1032
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 4: We need to.

1033
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's for the people that are already or

1034
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:01,960
how do we get new people out of the course.

1035
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:07,079
Speaker 3: By bringing someone out? And I know, we definitely need

1036
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,559
to have a lot more par threes. And like that

1037
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,199
one thing you had years ago, that one golf course

1038
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:13,719
where you could actually play three holes.

1039
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,519
Speaker 4: At a time. Do you remember that?

1040
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, a golf course that has sets of three holes,

1041
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,559
you can play as many as you want. You can

1042
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,239
play three, six, nine, whatever. But we need to have

1043
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:28,880
easier courses. We need to have a golf superintendents having

1044
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,599
pins that are much easier, you know, with regard to

1045
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:36,760
the whole size. Well, we're putting we're basically playing golf

1046
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,440
on the level that the pros played. And you know,

1047
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,119
pin placements that are inside of slopes, on ski hills,

1048
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,920
on ant hills, that are pins that are inaccessible, it

1049
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,800
slows the game down. And in the tournament, yeah, go

1050
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,280
ahead and place the pins, you know, in ridiculous places.

1051
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,920
But for the average population to have a good game,

1052
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,840
and when you leave that day and you say, man,

1053
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,199
I had a great experience. I'm going back to that

1054
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,679
golf course. You don't have to prove anything that. Yeah,

1055
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,679
our track is one hundred and forty slow because we

1056
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,039
have the pins in stupid spots. And unfortunately we've had

1057
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:11,199
that the last couple of years because we've had people

1058
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:15,639
cut in our grass but don't necessarily play golf, and

1059
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,679
they put the pins in places that no one's ever

1060
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,519
told them not to put them there, so it actually

1061
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,119
slows things down and when everyone is four putting, it's

1062
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,000
very frustrating.

1063
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 4: And golf you need to have it as.

1064
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:29,199
Speaker 3: An enjoyable experience, and unfortunately, from what I've seen, it's

1065
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,920
not that enjoyable anymore. And you need to have people

1066
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,920
have a great experience. It's going to be a long day.

1067
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,079
You know, you expected four to five hours or more.

1068
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,320
By the time you get there is probably longer. But

1069
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,199
give them a good experience, good memories, and they'll come back.

1070
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 4: And that's what I try to do at my track

1071
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,280
as a golf member. Now I'm finally a member at.

1072
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 3: A track for the last three years, and I try

1073
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,400
to give everyone that I play with a great experience.

1074
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,599
I lead them around with their own personal caddy and

1075
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,559
you know, cracking jokes and stuff like.

1076
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 4: That and just making it a little bit easier your

1077
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,840
because golf is tough. It is a hard game to master.

1078
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: And just me think you've got it, someone taps you

1079
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,800
on the shoulder and gives you a slap in the

1080
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,199
face and it's like you take a eight right on.

1081
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 4: The four or four.

1082
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: It's like, oh no, I had a par street going

1083
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,960
and then boom to blow up.

1084
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: So, Michael, if people wanted to see your stuff online

1085
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,239
or get in touch with you to maybe get some

1086
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:29,239
flexibility and strength training lessons or TPI certified work, how

1087
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,920
do we get in touch with you and where do

1088
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,360
we find you?

1089
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 4: Well, I've got about three or four thousand training videos.

1090
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: I'm a little obsessed with my videos on top cop Guru.

1091
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,679
So I was watching cops one night and that was

1092
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,280
the only thing that actually came to mind that I

1093
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,880
could actually use on YouTube. So just top cop Guru

1094
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:55,000
and you just put in the browser bodyweight training, suspension systems, golf.

1095
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: So a top cop Guru is the YouTube channel.

1096
00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, that's or all my videos.

1097
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: Are, and I'll put one of them on our blog.

1098
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,400
I'll share one of your videos. Which one do you

1099
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,679
think we should see.

1100
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:12,679
Speaker 3: Something that I trained with clients. I also use the

1101
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,800
assistant called Birdie balls. That is one of the best things.

1102
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: I love the Birdie balls if you can find them anymore.

1103
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: Great friends with John down there, and he keeps sending

1104
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,840
me because I'm the only guy I think in the

1105
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,800
world that actually hits him in minus ten or fifteen

1106
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,599
in the winter time. And I put them through the

1107
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:33,760
test and I've literally worn out two boxes and I

1108
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,119
hit those with real balls into a net with my

1109
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,559
impact bag and orange whip. And so if you look

1110
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,599
up anything on birdie ball in training golf in the

1111
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:46,480
park under my top coup threw site, okay, you'll find

1112
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,519
it and all my other informations on there with regards

1113
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:50,519
to my email.

1114
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 4: Address and stuff like that.

1115
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 3: And if people want something answered, I'll be more than

1116
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,519
happy to help them out with the best I can.

1117
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: Well, thank you and again thank you so much for

1118
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,400
sharing in your time and and for your support for

1119
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,119
such a long time.

1120
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 4: Oh and I'm sorry to go play now. Mm hmm.