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Speaker 1: All right, let's do this. Oh don't you, Let's do it. Okay, Okay,

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here we are.

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Speaker 2: We are here for our Eddie Murphy John Landis duo,

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the Trading Places versus coming to America looking good, Jason.

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Speaker 1: Feeling good.

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Speaker 3: D Let's do this, all right. Remember to follow us

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I we had somebody say something once and it made

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me think of my history professor in high school. He

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started the whole class first day o' clocks. He's like,

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I might tell you something that's not accurate, but you

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have to figure that out. I was like, Wow, Okay,

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we researched these things. We're not expert. It's in anything

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that we do anything that we're talking about, but we

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do research them.

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Speaker 1: We do. Yeah. So but if we get something wrong,

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call us out. We like it.

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Speaker 3: That's right, let's hear from it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we're going to talk about Eddie Murphy, who

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I was listening to Delirious on the way over here today,

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and my gosh, the man is so freaking funny.

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Speaker 1: I wish he would do stand up some more. It's

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Speaker 3: It's been almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it.

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Speaker 2: Raw was the last actual stand up he did, right,

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and it was only three big show stand up things

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that he did. The first Eddie Murphy, then Delirious and

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then Raw Wow. But he that's where he got his start.

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the kid who didn't want to go outside and play.

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he was fifteen years old. It's incredible, my son is fifteen. Yeah,

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to imagine them up on stage. Although Brock I could.

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Speaker 1: Actually see him up on stage delivered.

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Speaker 3: Some prist's right, yeah, get it together, man. He started working.

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Speaker 2: He's so he starts that and then somebody says, hey,

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you know, they're they're looking for a black guy over

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Saturday Night Live. You should give audition for that, and

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he's he didn't even I mean he didn't really watch

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Saturday Night Live that much and just thought it was whatever, right,

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my stand up for him. Yeah, get me out there

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and I'll get some better, get some better stand up gigs.

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Speaker 3: When he was on Saturday Night Live, it was clear

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right away that this guy is going to be a star.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I can understand his reaction to Saturday

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Night Live at that point because Lauren Michaels had left

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the show and Saturday Night Live sucked, right, I mean,

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this is the early eighties and they were awful.

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Speaker 3: Well, they had lost chevy Chase, they had lost all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when he comes in to do the audition,

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seventies with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor where they do

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the word association game, and you know, we're a family

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friendly podcast.

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Speaker 1: So he can't do it.

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Speaker 2: But chevy Chase is using these racial slurs and Richard

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Speaker 3: Honky, Honky and Deadny.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he throws out the end word Richard bribbly like

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Speaker 2: And so Eddie does that with Joe Piscopo is his

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Speaker 3: It definitely got that boost it needed at that early

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Speaker 3: So we're going to talk about Trading Places from nineteen

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eighty three, yes, which is an Eddie Murphy dan Aykroyd movie,

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right and Coming to America, which came out in July

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fourth of nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: This is interesting because Trading Places is Eddie Murphy's second movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his first movie was forty eight Hours with Nick Nolty.

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if you'll remember, he takes the cops badge. Eddie Murphy

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is a con, you know, they get him out of

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jail for this, right, and he goes and he said,

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I'm going to take care of this problem. He takes

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the badge, gets his cowboy hat and goes into a

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Speaker 2: You start running a respectable business and I don't have

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And that scene is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the point that at the point that that

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up and cheering because it was it was a straight

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be funny, right, But that was more of a straight

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piece for him, right, straight acting.

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Speaker 3: You know who wrote that scene, our friend Steven Desusa.

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Speaker 1: Oh, right, from Diehard.

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Speaker 3: He wrote Diehard that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a thousand movies, but yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's our of course favorite of his movies.

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Speaker 3: We can get into that a little bit later. Oh sure, yeah, okay,

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So so Trading Places have released June eighth, nineteen eighty three.

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Just take those all, all right? So okay, so Curt,

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event's right for me, just kind of a little fashion thing.

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Swatch introduces their first watches.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love I had a Swatch for years.

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Speaker 3: Years.

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Speaker 1: Really, I'm still wearing Swatches into the nineties.

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with my own money what I thought was a really

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cool Swatchwatcheah, I didn't really know. My friends are like, hey,

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buy a Swatch. I like it looks cool, bring it

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to school the next day, Hey, guys, check out my Swatch.

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are you talking about? The little ones where girls? The

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of Trading Places therefore, all right. So Lewis Winthorpe the

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a great job, beautiful fiance in a wonderful home that

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includes a butler, Coleman Billy Ray Valentine is a con

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man and a hustler who pretends to be a legless

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if they switched and took Billy Ray Valentine from the streets,

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put him in a job, and if they somehow disgraced Winthorpe,

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he would turn to a life of crap. And so

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they make this bet, and they set it up in

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such a way that they bring Billy Ray in for

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his job, and they cast out Winthorpe to the streets,

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and some hilarity ensues, but Winthorpe and Valentine figure this out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So nineteen eighty eight, that year I can remember

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Speaker 2: We were so excited because Mike Tyson was free defining

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and I played plenty of hours Mike

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Tyson's punch.

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Speaker 1: Out on my name.

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Speaker 3: Turns out there's only one big boy. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was all right.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you know this, d but

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on Christmas Eve it was nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, terrorists

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Speaker 1: We talk about big stars of the eighties. Eddie Murphy

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was one, but John Landis was also one of With

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Speaker 2: Had five directors that were killing the eighties, He's got

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to be on that list, right, So they do the

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second movie together. The premise I'll do the loot outline

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for coming to America, a wealthy African nation of Zamunda,

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the crown princh a Keen Joffer grows weary of his

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pampered lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: Why bus and.

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Speaker 1: He wakes up on his twenty first birthday. I tell you,

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Speaker 2: Get I know I'm supposed to be running through the

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plot here, but I want to get the music. I

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I could just wake up to that music every morning,

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every day, would be better.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, your highness.

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Speaker 1: So it's his twenty first birthday.

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Speaker 2: It's the day he is supposed to meet his bride

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to be, who he's never met before, but this is

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an arranged marriage, and despite the fact that he lives

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without any want in the world that goes unmet, he

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is unhappy that he has to marry this woman who

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he has never met, and then after meeting her, though

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she is beautiful, she is completely complicit to every whim

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that he wants. So he decides to go find himself

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a bride in a place where people don't know who

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Speaker 1: And where to go to do that is America.

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Speaker 2: Queen's Queens, And so he and his best friend Simmy

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go to Queen's. They pose as poor African students. They

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get a job at the local knockoff off of McDonald's

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called McDowell's. Because Prince Akim has grown enamored with the

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McDowell's owner's daughter, Lisa. Hilarity ensues. Ultimately the King comes

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Speaker 3: Great, great movie. Two great movies, very very enjoyable movies.

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The budget, let's just talk about that they were both

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big hits, right okay. Trading Places was the fourth highest

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grossing film in nineteen eighty three, behind Return of the

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Jedi Flash Dance in terms of a dermitt So it's

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and it made ninety million. Similarly, Coming to America a

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big hit from nineteen eighty eight. The budget was thirty

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nine million and it made worldwide two hundred and eighty

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eight million plus. Huge, huge movie for ready money.

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Speaker 2: We want to go through the actors actresses. Yeah, let's

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start talking about the actors. Obviously, Eddie Murphy is in

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both of these movies.

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Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy for a moment. He made forty eight Hours, Yep,

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he made Trading Places. He made Coming to America. Our

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younger viewers and listeners may recognize his voice from Shrek, right,

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he plays Donkey and Shrek. I like that bold.

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Speaker 1: That is a ninth bold.

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Speaker 3: He was in The Nutty Professor Norbit, The Adventures of

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Pluto Nash. Have you ever seen that?

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that he received the Golden Globe

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nomination for his work on forty eight Hours, Beverly Hills

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Cop Trading places a nutty Professor and for Dolomite. He

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ultimately won the Golden Globe for dream Girls.

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Speaker 3: Dream Girls, right, you know, the only movie that he

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turned down that turned out to be a hit that

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he regrets not taking the role. I thought this was

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Speaker 1: Who Framed Roger Rabbit track? He never even knew that. Yeah.

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it to him before and said, hey, you should do

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this movie. He's like, hey, cartoons, I don't want to

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do that, right, And when Who Framed Roger Rabbit became

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the success that it did, he was like, oh, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: And that's how he got Donkey Nice and Roger Rabbit

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came out summer of eighty eight as well. All Right,

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Dan Ackroyd, who you'll remember from Saturday Night Live, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another eighties icon.

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movies in the nineteen eighties, maybe the worst movie of

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the nineteen eighties, Ishtar, I don't see this star. He

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think I hated Caddy Shack too.

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in it, right, Jackie Mason, Thank you, Jackie Mason.

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nineteen eighties. He was also in maybe the worst movie

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in the nineteen nineties called Nothing but Trouble. No.

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Speaker 1: I liked that one too.

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Speaker 1: Okay, right, No, that's a great one.

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Speaker 2: Debby Moore and Chevy Chack was and he plays the judge,

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doesn't he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It's a lot. That's awesome, like that movie.

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all right? Also starring this is really cool Donna Michi

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and Ralph Bellamy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Duke brothers. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Don Imichi hadn't done a movie in thirteen years. Thirteen years. Yeah,

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here's some interesting thing about this one. You know, when

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he started, he didn't know who these guys were. They

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didn't know who he was. But he comes in and

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I mean, the eighties are very different than the movies

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that Dono Miichi was making. I mean, you've, especially with

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John Landis, You're gonna have lots of F bombs. You're

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gonna have lots of movies.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way that John did his movies right, right.

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Speaker 2: And so Donamichi's got two like big you know, drops

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the F on f him about his brother. And then

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Speaker 3: The N bomb there, big gosh, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And so he was he was adamantly I mean he's conservative,

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religious guy. He was adamantly opposed. I'm not doing that.

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it's just part of the role. And he was like, Okay,

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I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it once and

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you better get it on the first take. And he

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went before this, before the filming, before the scenes started,

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he went early to go apologize to everybody about what

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was about to happen.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't hold any punches on it. Man, he

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delivers it hard.

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Speaker 3: He does.

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Speaker 1: He just like, holy smokes.

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Speaker 3: I love that about him, the fact that he's so

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gentlemanly to show up and he apologizes to all the

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cast and crew. All Right, everyone, guess what I'm getting

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ready to drop a major f bar and I'm very

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sorry about that.

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Speaker 2: I realized that you've been listening to Eddie Murphy.

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Speaker 3: All right everyone. I know that there are young people

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who like to cuss, but that is.

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is kind of a comeback role for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The next movie that he did was Cocoon and he

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won the Best Supporting Actor oscar from them, so cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for him.

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of this too. He ended up doing Pretty Woman. Yeah,

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you know he's not related to Bill Bellamy.

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Speaker 1: They sted to clean that up for Okay, So here's

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that secret thing I was gonna throw.

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Speaker 2: And if you have any idea who Bill Bellamy is,

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which you should tell me, post a picture of Bill

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Bellamy on our Twitter feed, say at Tuley podcast on Twitter,

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post a picture of him, or if you're into Facebook,

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post a picture of Bill Bellamy on Facebook and we'll

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give you a shout out.

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Speaker 3: I want to run. That dude has gone away. I

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don't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know either. He was a big thing there

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for five minutes.

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Speaker 3: Ye, all right. And also in treading places, you have

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Jamie Lee Curtis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know dan Aykroyd.

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Speaker 2: They were hesitant about having him come in and do

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the show because they weren't sure whether he could be

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funny without John Belushi.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And they were also hesitant about Jamie Lee Curtis because

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they didn't know that she could be funny at all.

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she was like screenplaying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she'd have done Halloween, she had done and Promni

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and The Fog and some of these horror movies. So

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they didn't know if she could be funny.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: One thing they did know though, yeah, she was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, So here's the story. You know,

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you've told your Booby story from Airplane. I'm gonna go

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ahead and tell this story now. So this movie came

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out in nineteen eighty three, the summer of nineteen eighty three. Yes,

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my birthday is in October. I was still seven years

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old in nineteen when this movie came out. Okay, we're

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in California and this is where This is where I

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found out that what rated R really meant. Okay, so

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I had, you know, at that point, at seven years old,

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I know, I had asked to see the other John

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Landis big hit American were Wolf in London.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and my dad was like, now you can'cy is

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rated R. And I said what does that mean? He said,

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it's too scary.

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Speaker 2: You can't see it because it's too scary, right, didn't

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mention the porn scene. So and so we you know,

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we're in California, were visiting my cousins. My brother and

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my cousins are all fifteen years old. I'm seven. That

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parents are about to go out and they're going to

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go see Doctor Detroit Detroit. Yes, that has dan ekrot

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in it, which was a big bomb for him. Fortunately, yeah,

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he might have been shot. But the they're gonna go

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see it, and I was like, oh, I want to go,

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and you can't go.

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Speaker 1: It's it's rated R. And I was like, I won't

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be scared.

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Speaker 3: Right, don't look scary at all.

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Speaker 2: And so then a couple days later, my cousins, my

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brother and I go to the big Multiplex theater in

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California and we buy tickets for Snow White, and then

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we proceed to go in and watch trading places when

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National Lampoon vacation when and risky business. Okay, like I

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got no parents put their hand over my eyes, nobody's

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saying don't look. And so all of a sudden, in

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one day, I am exposed to Jamie Lee Curtis's boobies,

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Rebecca de Mornay's boobies, and Beverly DeAngelo's bootpies.

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Speaker 3: That's a glorious day.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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the eighties. Man, I was a changed kid. Wow, that's awesome,

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all right. So switch over to coming to America. Okay,

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sounds good, all right. So we covered Eddie Murphy. The

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co star with him was our Sendil Hall right, who

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really hadn't done a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: He had been in a little bit of John Landis's

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movie Amazon, Women from the Moon.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that?

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long time, but I know that it's like a it's

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like a Kentucky Fried movie, right, it's different skits, and

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his skit opens the movie Our Senior Hall doays and

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it's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he and Eddie Murphy come to meet in

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kind of a weird way. I haven't gotten a good

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story on this, but it's kind of the way Eddie

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tells it is he's slipped through the channels and he

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sees himself and he's like, well, I can't remember doing that.

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having done anything. It's really surprising how big his part

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other star of the movie.

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Speaker 3: All without a doubt. And John Mannison actually commented that

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the studio had known how large this part was, that

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they play multiple parts in the movie, okay, And so

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to play these multiple parts. He had done all of

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these characters when he was on Saturday Night Live, but

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all of his movies up until that point had just

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Landis are tossing around ideas for different parts, and they

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come up with the old Jewish Man saw. John Landis

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nineteen hundreds, the a lot of Jews did get their

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famous by doing blackface. So this would be like the

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of that that you are going to go and play

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this old Jewish man. Eddie Murphy's like, yeah, except look

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at me, you know how how am I gonna be.

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Speaker 1: A white man?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: And so at that point, John Landis says, well, I

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know Rick Baker, Rick Baker. So here's here's a little

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history on John Landis and Rick Baker. John Landis was

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he dominated. So John Landis had had worked on Planet

474
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,920
of the Ape stuff first go around back in the sixties,

475
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,119
had worked on it and went to the guy who

476
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,519
had done the stuff for that for this idea he

477
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:53,480
had for a movie called Schluck. Schlock was supposed to

478
00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:57,400
be like a parody almost of this movie called trog

479
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,319
which had come out a little while which was short

480
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,519
for Charcolade and which was absolutely terrible. And he wanted

481
00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,000
an actual bad ape costume to wear. And so he

482
00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:09,000
goes to his friend who had done playing of the

483
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:10,480
apes and they're like, yeah, I can do one of

484
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,200
those for one hundred thousand dollars for you. Well, okay,

485
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,000
the budget for the movie sixty thousand dollars. I don't right,

486
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,920
And they're like, oh okay. We go to Don Pope

487
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,759
and so he gets here's another big name and he

488
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,240
goes to him and he's like, oh, yeah, I could

489
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,200
do it for you for only eighty thousand dollars. I think, okay,

490
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,599
I guess I don't know what to do. I'm going

491
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,200
to have to figure this out on my own. But

492
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,960
as he's walking out the door, the Don Pope Junior

493
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,480
comes to him, hands him a card and said, Hey,

494
00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:35,680
this kid was in just a little while ago.

495
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,079
Speaker 1: He's really good.

496
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: Give him a try, and he has this card, It's

497
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:44,920
Rick Baker's business card, and it says Rick Baker Monster Maker.

498
00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:46,839
Speaker 1: I love it.

499
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,839
Speaker 3: Man, that's so cool.

500
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: So he's so he calls Rick Baker up to come

501
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,079
do the makeup for Coming to America. And you know,

502
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,640
obviously Eddie Murphy plays several characters, but the one with

503
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,119
the most detailed makeup is Saul, this old man and

504
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,200
this old white Jewish man.

505
00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

506
00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so Eddie can do the voice, right, And

507
00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:07,799
so the thing is, can we sell a look?

508
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,279
Speaker 1: And Rick Baker actually models him after his father in.

509
00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:12,799
Speaker 3: Law, who is a double in the movie. You can

510
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:13,480
actually see him.

511
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the scenes where Eddie Murphy is the barber,

512
00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,519
you still have Saul. You see behind his shoulder. You

513
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:21,400
can tell it's not the same guy. Well, it's the

514
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,000
guy that they modeled Saul after. Y.

515
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So other people in coming to America

516
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:31,920
James Earl Jones, who you may recognize as the voice

517
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,279
of Darth Vader, Yes, who actually has a line in

518
00:23:35,319 --> 00:23:38,079
the movie. Yeah, I'll deal with him myself.

519
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a throwback to leave them to me. I

520
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,839
will be with them myself.

521
00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I love it. He was in ConA and

522
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,960
the Barbarian and the Sandlot. I mean, he's been tons

523
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,680
of things, but really he's known because he has.

524
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,319
Speaker 2: This great voice, right well, yeah, I mean he's a

525
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:58,359
fantastic actor all around, but everybody knows that voice. It's

526
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,960
unmistakable for sure. His dad was actually in Trading Places,

527
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:04,920
Robert Earl Jones. Yeah, he wants He has a small

528
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,079
role as one of the attendants in Trading Places.

529
00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: So James Earl Jones. Then you have John Amos, who

530
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,519
is well known for his role in Good Times, right yeah,

531
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,799
TV show from the seventies.

532
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then also really well known for his role

533
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,000
in Roots.

534
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, he plays adult.

535
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,079
Speaker 1: You're right, which comes up in the movie of course.

536
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,759
Speaker 3: Good duh, Yeah, it's good.

537
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,279
Speaker 2: You know.

538
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: That's right. He's one of the bad guys in Diehard too.

539
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:34,079
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, that's right. He was one of the

540
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,880
army guys I Thart. He's the leader of the Cuts

541
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:37,599
Rebels Special Forces.

542
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interestingly with John Amos, he had done a bunch

543
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:40,920
of stuff.

544
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,599
Speaker 2: He was Golden Gloves boxer, he was a football player,

545
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,839
had played for the Canadian League and eventually got dismissed

546
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,240
from that. And he's kind of figuring out what to do,

547
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,319
but has an agent and they say, hey, you want

548
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:57,400
to go do a singing McDonnell's commercial and he's like, sure, whatever, yeah, really,

549
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,039
So he does does this singing dancing, get your Get

550
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:05,480
a Mob, get a Bucket commercial with Potzy before he's

551
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:09,279
Potsy Happy Days and it ends up being one of

552
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:10,799
the best McDonald's commercials ever.

553
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: And then of course, you know, he goes on to

554
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,799
own his own a Dallas.

555
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 3: That's so awesome. A year or two, I make assistant

556
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,720
manager and that's where the big bucks start rolling in.

557
00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:27,839
All right. Both of these were directed by John Landis,

558
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,160
who is well known for We touched on this briefly,

559
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,599
but Schluck, Blues Brothers, Animal House, Spies Like Us, Three Amigos,

560
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,119
the Thriller video, which if you'll go back to episode one,

561
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,680
we talked at length about the Thriller video, and then

562
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,559
American wirel from London, and then we need to talk

563
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:50,079
a little bit about the Twilight Zone movie.

564
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so just before Trading Places happened, John Landis was

565
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,680
one of a handful of directors that was involved with

566
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,559
the Twilight Zone movie.

567
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: His segment was a segment.

568
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,519
Speaker 2: With Vic Morrow or Vic Morrow is this racist, bigot

569
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,799
who goes to different places and is in the body

570
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:09,839
of the people that he's got prejudices against.

571
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: But in the production of the movie.

572
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:17,599
Speaker 2: There's an accident that occurs and Vic Morrow and two

573
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,599
child actors are killed by a helicopter that crashes after

574
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,279
an explosion.

575
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,839
Speaker 1: Kills them both or kills all three of them, sorry.

576
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,039
Speaker 3: Not just kills them, but horribly heascitates them.

577
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.

578
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,759
Speaker 2: So at that point, I mean, he's dealing with that

579
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,079
while he's making some of the best movies anybody see.

580
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: This is kind of crazy.

581
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: He doesn't end up doing the trial on it until

582
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,519
later on, like nineteen eighty seven, I think, is when

583
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,920
the trial happens.

584
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: And so I can't.

585
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: Imagine going through the experience itself, let alone going for

586
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,079
years as you're waiting, and then we're talking about not

587
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,559
a civil suit, we're talking about criminal action. Like he

588
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,240
and a few of the other people who were involved

589
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,960
were charged with manslaughter, and.

590
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: So as a he was really close to going to jail.

591
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

592
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that had been a long prison term.

593
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,839
Speaker 2: And as it turns out, Eddie says, this is the

594
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,920
reason that we didn't get along.

595
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm coming to America.

596
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: Now, John Landis gives a different reason why they didn't

597
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,599
get along, but Eddie says, you know, he was mad

598
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,640
because I didn't I wasn't there in supporting him during

599
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,599
his trial, and so he tries to, you know, treat

600
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:25,559
me like a little kid, like I was back in

601
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,960
trading places, and I'm not a little kid anymore. And

602
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,160
so eventually, like comes down to John land Is saying

603
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,319
something and Eddie kind of angrily but playfully puts him

604
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:37,039
in a chokehold.

605
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:38,559
Speaker 1: And then when John.

606
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,079
Speaker 2: Landis tries to playfully you know, grab his crotch, Eddie

607
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,119
tightens and cuts off his air and he runs off.

608
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,079
Speaker 3: It escalated really quick, right, Yeah, it was.

609
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: It was bad and it turned ugly.

610
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean they were not happy with each

611
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000
other as human beings. After the show, they're both very

612
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,960
happy with the movie obviously, but Landis, on the flip

613
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,440
side of that, said, yeah, he went from being this

614
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:04,319
you know, super kid to this pig headed jerk.

615
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: Ahole is the word that he used.

616
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: It just wasn't fun to work with him anymore. But

617
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,880
eventually they reconciled. They did reconcile. But here's the interesting

618
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,400
thing to me.

619
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,839
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety, Playboy magazine interviewed Eddie Murphy. Yeah, and

620
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,759
his quote was, this is how harsh this is. Bick

621
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:23,880
Morrow has a better shot of working with John Landis

622
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,440
than I do.

623
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: Ouch, that's rough.

624
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: And then Beverly Hills Cop three comes out in ninety four,

625
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,839
so yeah, they buried the hatchet apparently, But yeah.

626
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's unfortunate if you've seen Beverly Hills Top three

627
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,720
not good. Yeah. Interesting.

628
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: You know we talk about John landisbying this huge rock

629
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,440
star of the eighties. You know, he's got several hits before,

630
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,920
but Trading Place was a huge hit to catapult his career.

631
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,440
Does a bunch of great movies, then does Coming to America.

632
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:54,759
Speaker 1: And then none of anything that he's done after that.

633
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:55,799
Have I thought it's good?

634
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: Nothing?

635
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Right?

636
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,119
Speaker 3: So composers real quick. Trading Places has Elmer Bernstein, our

637
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:05,960
big buddy, Elmer Bernstein.

638
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: Olmer Bernstein, Kevin Bacon game, that's exactly right. Yeah.

639
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,319
Speaker 2: So Olmer Bernstein had done all of these great movies

640
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,039
back in the sixties and had been out of it

641
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,119
for a while, and then John Landis brings it back

642
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,279
in with Animal House, and then he starts doing all

643
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:23,559
of these other great movies again, including Ghostbusters.

644
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,759
Speaker 3: Kay Shack, Spies like Us To Kill a Mockingbird Ten Commandments. Yeah,

645
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:29,359
he's all over, all over the place.

646
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Yep.

647
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:34,279
Speaker 2: So the movie Trading Places starts off with this music

648
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:40,759
from the Marriage of Figure Out, Yes, which is fantastic

649
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,079
because it not only does it kind of set the stage,

650
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,839
it's kind of the you know, masterpiece theater type of

651
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,359
sound where you're seeing the regal dan Aykroyd getting ready

652
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,480
and then his butler who's played by Elliott right who.

653
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: You'll remember from and there's a lost start now the throwback.

654
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,519
Speaker 2: Who by the way, on this one, and the scenes

655
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:05,599
that he's in he's always funny, like he's just quietly funny.

656
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,480
And the second a director on this thing, you know,

657
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,119
they would do a take where he would have to

658
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,119
walk through a door and he said, every single time

659
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,359
he would do something different. He had some other business,

660
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,279
some other thing that he was doing different, and it

661
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680
was funny every single time. So he goes to him

662
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,480
after the takes and he's he says, mister Elliott, you know,

663
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,759
how are you funny? Over and over with different stuff

664
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,960
every time? And he says, my boy, when you have

665
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,599
parts as small as these, you learn to make something

666
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,160
out of them.

667
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,759
Speaker 3: That's awesome. He's great, he's great, he's great. It is

668
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:38,920
Marcus Brody and Raiders.

669
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,599
Speaker 2: So I've completely derailed the conversation about the soundtrack.

670
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: No, it's fun, it's fun. Coming to America's composer is

671
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,359
a guy named Nile Rodgers. Is that ring a bell

672
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,519
with you? No? So he's you may recognize his face.

673
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,200
He's kind of a familiar, familiar looking person. Right, But

674
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,640
if you listen to eighties music at all, yeah, you

675
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,480
know who this guy is.

676
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

677
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,119
Speaker 3: He did the Reflex by Derandrean. Oh wow, yeah, like

678
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,759
produced it?

679
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: Right.

680
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,799
Speaker 3: He produced Let's Dance by David Bowie.

681
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,319
Speaker 1: Okay.

682
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:15,039
Speaker 3: He was in the the pop band Chic and their

683
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:19,839
song good Times Good Times. And he produced Madonna's first

684
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,319
album Lucky Star Borderline Holiday. And he does a fantastic

685
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,640
job with his soundtrack. They wanted a somebody who could

686
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,880
do the African style music, which he does kind of

687
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,079
long the Lions Sleep Tonight in the opening credits, which

688
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:34,559
is great.

689
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,079
Speaker 1: Right.

690
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:43,519
Speaker 2: It's by the group Lady Smith Black Mambazo, who you

691
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,480
will remember if you listen to any of the Paul

692
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,759
Simon songs from that era. Grace Land. Yeah, yeah, they're

693
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,519
they're a great musical group. And I noticed I don't

694
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,400
know if this is right. I haven't researched at all,

695
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:58,000
but as you're listening to that opening, the opening version

696
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,359
of The Lion Sleeps Tonight, there's a little part where

697
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,160
it sounds like they've inserted one of Eddie's laughs in there.

698
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:10,359
I will play it for you here. Okay, that's Eddie's laugh,

699
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,079
I really do. And I think a little bit later

700
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:14,319
on you hear Arsenior Hall's laugh as well.

701
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, cool. So on the.

702
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Soundtrack side of things, you've got Ladysmith Black Mumbazo singing Moombe.

703
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:27,720
I'm sorry, I don't know it's The Lions Leaves Tonight.

704
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,039
But then you've got other songs that come throughout, a

705
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,920
few of them sang by Eddie Murphy.

706
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh the Greatest Love of All that's yeah, rand it.

707
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,359
Speaker 1: I believe you children, Okay.

708
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,599
Speaker 2: And we can't leave the actors and actresses in coming

709
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:52,319
to America without mentioning Match Sinclair. She was the queen,

710
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:56,839
of course, and then interestingly later on she is again

711
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,079
the queen, but the Lion Queen to The Lion King

712
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,000
because she again is with James Earl Jones.

713
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: In the movie The Lion King.

714
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: She plays the voice of Saribi, who is Simba's mom.

715
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: Simba's mom. But what's the name of James Earl Jones.

716
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: Is Mufassa Mufassa, Yes, so it's Mufasa Seribi.

717
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,039
Speaker 2: And then also she plays the wife of Kuntikine in Roots.

718
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,319
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.

719
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: And then James Earl Jones was not in the original Roots,

720
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,680
but was in the second version of Roots a couple

721
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,640
of years later. I can't remember what the subtitle was,

722
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,119
but he was in Roots, you know, part two.

723
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: Rood Harder right, Roots with a Vengeance. I do think

724
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,839
it's interesting as we were diving into these movies that

725
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,319
we find out how many movies are sort of related, right,

726
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,759
Trading Places and Coming to America. We would say they're brothers.

727
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,119
I mean they are Eddie Murphy and John Landis their brothers.

728
00:33:58,759 --> 00:33:59,519
Speaker 1: Right yeah.

729
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,839
Speaker 3: But of cousins to these movies, are you know, the

730
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:08,000
Blues Brothers or Roots, the Roots the Nutty Professor right right.

731
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:13,760
I do want to mention Sherry Headley plays Lisa from

732
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,079
Coming to America. Yes, and she does a great job.

733
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,559
She's just a sweetheart and has a great smile. She's

734
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,760
very sort of regal, even though she lives in Queen's right.

735
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,599
You know who finished second for the part of Lisa.

736
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,000
Tell me Vanessa Williams.

737
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: Vanessa Williams, who was the singer.

738
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,639
Speaker 3: She's a singer, a very successful singer.

739
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,119
Speaker 2: She was the one who was stripped of her crown

740
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,039
for Miss Amaricas in America for this penthouse spread. Yeah, yeah,

741
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,360
for sure. Yeah, that was an interesting bit there for

742
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:45,079
the eighties.

743
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:45,599
Speaker 1: I remember that.

744
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: Okay, let's dive in. I got some tidbits that I

745
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,960
want to bounce off you. Okay, So Trading Places was

746
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,119
originally to star Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor.

747
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,519
Speaker 1: Right, they had done Stircray, which was a huge hit

748
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:02,159
in nineteen eighty.

749
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was originally supposed to be called Black

750
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:05,119
and White.

751
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: It's not very creative.

752
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,119
Speaker 3: That name's terrible. Yeah, but Richard Pryor had to back out.

753
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:11,800
Did you hear why he had to back out? I

754
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,639
heard it had something to do with him setting himself

755
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:19,719
on fire. He set himself on fire after freebasing cocaine. Oh,

756
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,440
he was freebasing cocaine and went into this dragon deuced psychosis,

757
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:25,079
poured rum all over himself.

758
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you how many times I've done the same.

759
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,159
Speaker 3: I mean, who hasn't done that? Oh man?

760
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, when when Richard Pryor was out, I mean

761
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,280
he was, he didn't. He didn't like only a thirty

762
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,079
percent shot of making it through that.

763
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: They didn't know if he was going to live.

764
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: He was a little twitchy after that. I could too,

765
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,079
I can remember.

766
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,199
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if it was the freebasing,

767
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,239
the cocaine or the being on fire, but he wasn't

768
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,159
the same guy after that.

769
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: No, But he actually references that in one of his

770
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,760
comedy stand up routines, which oh yeah, make fun of yourself,

771
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,639
and people laughed and they kind of endeared him to him.

772
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite lines from Scrooge, where Bill

773
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,719
Murray thinks that the waiter is on fire and he's

774
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,360
not actually on fire, and everybody else is confused, and

775
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,119
he grabs the bucket of water and throws it on

776
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,480
the waiter and the waiters looking at him like what,

777
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,920
and he goes, I'm sorry, I thought you were Richard Pryor.

778
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,679
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's awesome. There is a restaurant in Philadelphia

779
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,840
in a Weston hotel called Winthorpe and Valentine fantastic after

780
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,119
the movie. How cool is that?

781
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: So I'm sure you're getting to the you're talking about

782
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,559
them being brothers. These two movies, you of course have

783
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,840
the connection that happens Eddie Murphy, in frustration with Simmy

784
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,199
making the crap whole apartment look nice, he grabs his

785
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,199
money and takes it away from him and sticks it

786
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,239
in a McDowell's bag. And then as he and Lisa

787
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,199
are walking, you know, romantically together, he hands the bag

788
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,000
full of money to a couple of bums. Well, a

789
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,199
couple of bums turn out to be the Duke brothers.

790
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: I love that scene. That is my favorite scene in

791
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,480
coming to America. I partially because I love trading places

792
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:05,280
so much. But yeah, Donomichi's like, Randolph, leave me alone,

793
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,159
Mortimer Randolph, and there he says, we're back, Yeah, thank you.

794
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna again, I'm gonna derail this. So

795
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,320
this is you know, people talk about movies that are

796
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,599
important in black history, and this movie just doesn't.

797
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: Come up, but it should. I mean, this is a

798
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,000
movie that there are only three speaking.

799
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: Parts for white actors. He's talking about coming to America.

800
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,920
I'm talking about coming to America.

801
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: Only three speaking parts in this movie.

802
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: One is Randolph Duke, the other one is Mortimer Duke,

803
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,440
and those parts are obviously pretty small. And the other

804
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,480
one is Louis Anderson, who is hysterical.

805
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: In this movie, but he's also not gonna.

806
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: Wash let us now. Yes, pretty soon, I'll be on fries.

807
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of years, I'll make assistant manager. That's

808
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:55,599
when the big books start.

809
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: When they were preparing for this movie, and I think

810
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,840
they were in costumes. They're hanging out together anyway. Ralph

811
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Bellamy who had done ninety nine films, Don Amichi had

812
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,800
done forty nine films.

813
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: This is trading Places.

814
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, we're back on trade place.

815
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,639
Speaker 1: Yes, trading Places. Yeah.

816
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: And Eddie Murphy joked that between the three of them,

817
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:23,840
they had made one hundred and fifty films. One more

818
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,320
thing on trading places before we kind of bounce around.

819
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,840
This movie is more than likely based on what's known

820
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,000
as Silver Thursday. I don't know if you're familiar with this,

821
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:36,519
but March twenty seventh, nineteen eighty, The Hunt brothers from

822
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:41,800
Texas tried unsuccessfully to corner the market in Silver Oh, Okay.

823
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,400
And when the time came and they were they had

824
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,400
to come up with one hundred million bucks, they didn't have.

825
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: It right, kicked off the market. So that's the end

826
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,599
scene of trading places. And so obviously, you know, this

827
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,320
movie is based on a couple of old storylines. The Pigmlion,

828
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,239
my Fair Lady storyline, you take somebody from the gutter.

829
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,960
The Cinderella story, you take somebody from the gutter and

830
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,679
you pass them off as a sophisticated elite type of persons.

831
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,199
Done in that one, and that it's also based on

832
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,840
the Mark Twain the Prince and the Popper, whereas the

833
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,559
Prince trades place with the Popper and the Popper takes

834
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:23,760
over as Prince, and it's that whole same storyline, even a.

835
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,519
Speaker 1: Line in the movie.

836
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:28,559
Speaker 2: It's very original, but you know, they do an entirely

837
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,760
different thing with it.

838
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: The same story is covered in The Three Stooges. If

839
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,480
you've ever seen Hoi POLOI.

840
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: Hoi POLOI.

841
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, starts out with a couple of rich guys talking

842
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,360
about how they can take people from the gutter and

843
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,719
pass them off as rich people.

844
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,639
Speaker 3: Yes, they turn the stooges into gentlemen or try.

845
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: Actually, yes, let's talk real quick before we get into

846
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,639
the plots, you know, get into the details of the movie.

847
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,840
There are a couple of actors that appear in these

848
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,639
movies in very small, non speaking or one or two

849
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:02,800
line parts in trading places. You get gian Carlo Esposito,

850
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,159
who if you've seen Breaking Bad, he was the guy

851
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,800
from Breaking the bad guy from Breaking Bad. If you've

852
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,639
seen The Mandalorian, he's the guy who shows up at

853
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:14,800
the end, who's kind of dressed like Darth Vader, who's

854
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,480
the bad guy there.

855
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,559
Speaker 1: There's been a ton of Spike Lee movies.

856
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: Do the Right Thing is all over the place now,

857
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,639
but this was like his first major movie role. But

858
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,000
he's just a guy standing on the leaning against the

859
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:30,719
bars in the jail cell. And then also in that

860
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,039
same scene, next to Eddie Murphy is the guy they

861
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,320
called do Rag Lenny lay by Clint Smith, who's friend

862
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,119
of Eddie Murphy's.

863
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: He'd been in a couple of Saturday Night Lives really okay.

864
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,599
Speaker 2: And then Clint Smith, of course also appears as the

865
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:46,159
third barber in coming to America.

866
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: Who's that Boy's good?

867
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,159
Speaker 3: Yeah? Good and terrible. Yeah. That scene in the jail

868
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,400
cell is hilarious though, because Eddie Murphy's blowing all this

869
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:57,559
bs to a few guys who are listening to him,

870
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,119
and the couple of big guys like, hey man, you've

871
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,719
been in all these fights. How come you don't look

872
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,400
messed up? Mandy man brus on the inside, so we

873
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,519
don't show our weaknesses. But you too dumb?

874
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Remember, yeah? Yeah, finished that line? Family friendly.

875
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: Family friendly scene is so funny. And then Clint's bed bags,

876
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,800
Yeah you do dumb?

877
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.

878
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: You know who was originally supposed to be the King

879
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,559
in Coming to America? No, I don't know. I'm trying.

880
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,760
I'm bouncing all over them that they wanted Sidney Potier

881
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:29,800
to be the king.

882
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,679
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that, And that would have been wrong.

883
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,960
That would have been he's too serious. Like James Earl

884
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:38,400
Jones can pull off the comedy somehow, but I've never

885
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,039
seen Sidney Pottier be funny.

886
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: In my life. Sidney Pottier definitely could do the regal,

887
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:45,920
but not the funny.

888
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and James Earl Jones actually wanted the part of McDowell,

889
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:53,800
John McLean McDowell. He wanted John Amos part. So here's

890
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,880
an interesting bit. We're just gonna we're all the scattershot shouted,

891
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,440
let's do it. So the interesting bit about McDowell's is,

892
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,800
you know, they went to McDonald's to say, hey, you know,

893
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,800
is it okay if we do this for the movie,

894
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,320
because they didn't want to get sued, of course, and

895
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,760
so McDonald's actually said, yeah, I think this is a

896
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719
good idea. Yeah they were. They were like, yeah, go

897
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,800
for it, you can do it. We actually want you

898
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,719
to kind of emphasize how hard we're going to be

899
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
on anybody who tries to steal our trademark ideas.

900
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: So that was kind of a theme of the show.

901
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: But then the corporate office forgot to tell the local

902
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,960
franchise ee. And so when they show up to the

903
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,599
you know, the old Wendy's that's getting renovated to make

904
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:35,039
it into a mcdonell's, the local franchisee shows up with

905
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,960
his lawyer and they're taking pictures just like the guy

906
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,880
in the movie, and we're gonna sue your zack off.

907
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:45,599
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they got the Golden Arches minus the Golden arcs.

908
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,159
Speaker 1: See they got the big mac, I.

909
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 3: Got the big make. We both got two all beef patties,

910
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:55,440
special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, and onions. But they use

911
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,559
a sesame seed punt. My buns have no seats.

912
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Our bunds have no seats.

913
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: But as he delivers that line, which is already funny,

914
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,079
he smacks the door to Louis Anderson, who spills the

915
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,519
coke all over the floor.

916
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: It's hysterical.

917
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 3: Yes, that is super funny. On coming to America. We're

918
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,760
bouncing back now, but.

919
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,159
Speaker 1: We're still on coming to America.

920
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: To America. The dance scene at the beginning during the wedding, Yes, okay,

921
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,480
you have this big, magnificent thing the wedding. Here comes here.

922
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:34,440
She's your queen, right that has this big dance routine.

923
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,119
You know that was choreographed by I Do Paula Abdul,

924
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,440
who had yet become the big name that she was

925
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:43,920
in the later part of the eighties.

926
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah she was. She had not released Straight Up.

927
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: Straight Up came out after coming to America in eighty eight.

928
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: Right, and you know who plays a prominent part in

929
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,440
the straight Up video.

930
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,519
Speaker 3: Our City Hall, otherwise known as semi.

931
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: Right man, and what a what a career launch. Did

932
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,920
you watch The Arsenial Hall Show when you're a kid?

933
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,800
I watched it all the way. Yeah, I watched that

934
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,639
all the time. I mean that part alone is iconic.

935
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: Right, It was a big, big deal in the early nineties. Yeah,

936
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,039
there is an interesting Arsenio Hall clip. I'm gonna bring

937
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,880
us down for just a second. Jim Henson was on

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The Arsenio Hall Show, interviewed by Arsenial Hall, and he

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wasn't feeling good and talking about his career and talking

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about some things. But he was on the show and hey,

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I'm here, I'm doing You're feeling a little sick. It's like,

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I'm all right. Two days later dead and he had

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pneumonia or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It was, and such a loss. Jim Henson was such

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a critical part of our childhood. So you did all

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these things. And you know, frank Oz was a big

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part of the Jim Henson line.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: He did the voice for his piggy.

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Speaker 3: Fozzie Bear, He did Sam the Eagle, Yeah, he did Yoda.

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Speaker 2: And frank Oz of course, is also a big player

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in all of John Landis movies. Yes, well almost all.

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He's not in coming to America. But if you get

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the scene where they just arrive in America and they're

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still in the airport, there's an announcement that comes over

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the PA system, Frank Oskowitz, please go to the white

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courtesy phone. That happens, and that's actually Frank Oz's real name.

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John Land has still found a way to put him.

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Speaker 3: That's really cool. And he's the cop in Trading Places.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the cop and Blues Brothers too. There's another connection.

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Speaker 2: He's the cop at the beginning of Blues Brothers when

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Jake Blues is getting out of prison and he hands

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them all.

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Speaker 1: Of his stuff. By the way, another connection.

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Speaker 2: The number that Dan Aykroyd holds up whenever he's getting

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his mugshots done is the same number that John Belushi

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had as his prison number in Blues Brothers.

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Speaker 3: That's really cool. Yeah, okay, you mentioned the Muppets. Yeah,

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and Frank Oz is in trading Places. Let's put back

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to trading place.

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Speaker 1: Trading Places.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's back to trading place.

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Speaker 1: He's the police officer there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So he's the one who's like he plants the

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He's like, this is angel dust, right, PCB. You know

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what the stuff does to kids. So he's the cop

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that's sort of in collusion with Clarence Peakes. But do

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you know who the trader is for the Duke brothers

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when they send him in and say go buy orange juice? Wilson, Yeah,

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Wilson by.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't just get in there.

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Speaker 3: Let us worry about that. You know that is His

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name is Richard Hunt. He did the voice of Scooter

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from the Muppet movie of the Muppets Janice.

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Speaker 1: Oh ye, Jannas is so cool.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, I told him mom, if I want to

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run around the beach naked. H He did Beaker and

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he did Statler, so he was a very prominent muppeteer.

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So pretty cool connection there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, someday will find the Lorraine the Long.

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