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<v Speaker 1>RSL is in action tonight. The MLS Cup playoffs start tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to get it?

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<v Speaker 1>Get you guys ready for that? Now here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not know how our guest is because Trey

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<v Speaker 1>said he would get me Donny unless Donny is too

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<v Speaker 1>busy and that, and in that instance, Trey booked himself

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<v Speaker 1>as the backup, which I would very much like to avoid.

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<v Speaker 1>So porter, who's our guest's dune?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yes, bullet dodge. Come on, Donny, Donny, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for saving us. Happy Tuesday, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what's going on? Guys? How are you perfect timing?

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<v Speaker 3>I just got done with my meeting for Apple ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of our broadcast tonight of Real Salt Lake Games Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 3>So perfect timing literally wrapped up like thirty seconds ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, fall, for a lot of people is about football.

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<v Speaker 1>Fall also means playoff soccer. I love fall soccer. I

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<v Speaker 1>just love the drama. I love the feeld. So just

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<v Speaker 1>paint a picture for us. You're out there at the stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's the buzz like?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean gates about open here in about thirty minutes,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you got to march the match right around

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<v Speaker 3>six sixteen, where RSL supporters will head out from the

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<v Speaker 3>tailgate and make their way into the stadium and listen

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<v Speaker 3>to today's the start. Right, it's the last days of

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<v Speaker 3>the season. You worked so hard from January to get

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<v Speaker 3>to this stage, right, all the extra doggies, the runs,

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<v Speaker 3>the weightlifting sessions, you know, those tough conversations about who

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<v Speaker 3>deserves to play, who doesn't deserve to play based on

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<v Speaker 3>performance or news signing, the amount of money spent during

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<v Speaker 3>the summer transfer window. You know, the atmosphere and the

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<v Speaker 3>investment into the stadium, and this is what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 3>Heading in the playoffs, and once you secured that top

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<v Speaker 3>three spot in the Western Conference, you've secured home field

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<v Speaker 3>advantage unless you hit one of these two Los Angeles teams,

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<v Speaker 3>whether that be LAFC top of the table in the

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<v Speaker 3>West or LA Galaxy who failed at the very last

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<v Speaker 3>moment down in Houston and tonight against the Minnesota United

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<v Speaker 3>team that you know, Realita Lake has had success, but

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<v Speaker 3>most recently these last couple of matchups they've ended in draws,

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<v Speaker 3>including these teams meeting a couple of weeks ago where

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<v Speaker 3>Brian Vera ended up spitting at an opponent and getting

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<v Speaker 3>himself a multi game ban. So statistically two teams that

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<v Speaker 3>match up fairly even. But for rialso Lake probably most

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<v Speaker 3>importantly keeping the back to back shutout, kind of turning

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<v Speaker 3>that into something even more and trying to get Chicho

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<v Speaker 3>Rongo that goal. It's because it's been elusive finding the

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<v Speaker 3>back of the net. The seventeen goals, twelve assists, his

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<v Speaker 3>last goal on July sixth, previous to that, three goals

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<v Speaker 3>and the hat trick performance June first, So they got

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<v Speaker 3>to get their captain back on track, confident and scoring goals.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me a bit about Minnesota. Now, ultimately, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be disparaging, but the two games that

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched, certainly the one here, they did park the

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<v Speaker 1>bus in a way. They kind of did not engage

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<v Speaker 1>and look tactically, that's something that Pablo did in Seattle.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I understand, if.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't think that you have the ability to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of engage the other team, or if you just want

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<v Speaker 1>to get a road result that that is a win.

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<v Speaker 2>To attack the game, that might be beneficial.

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<v Speaker 1>But first of all, I guess I should just ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>is that kind of the way they play and then

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<v Speaker 1>if so, how does RSL handle that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's dependent upon the game itself, the

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<v Speaker 3>regular season game. Going on the road. Getting the point

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<v Speaker 3>at Real Salt Lake is something to be proud of.

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<v Speaker 3>Considering the strength of the home record schedule for RSL

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<v Speaker 3>this season, they've turned it back into the fortress that

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<v Speaker 3>it once was back in the days of Rio Tinto.

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<v Speaker 3>But also for Eric Ramsey and Minnesota United, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a season of threes. I just hit my hit on

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<v Speaker 3>appletb and I was trying to explain it's a young manager,

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<v Speaker 3>just thirty two years of age. For those that don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Minnesota United manager, Eric Ramsey spent time at Chelsea

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<v Speaker 3>Football Club, he spent time at Manchester United, spent time

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<v Speaker 3>as an assistant coach at Wales with Gareth Bale and company,

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<v Speaker 3>and now has taken over at Minnesota United. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was kind of I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 3>he was out of nowhere, but you didn't think at

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<v Speaker 3>that stage of his career this young man would take

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<v Speaker 3>that job. So we had to bet in. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>actually Cameron Knowles. Cam Knowles who played for Real salt

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<v Speaker 3>as a center back back in two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the head coach for the purpose couple of

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<v Speaker 3>matches of the season, so adaption period. Team was doing well,

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<v Speaker 3>some young players probably over punching their mark. In the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the summer June and July, things kind of

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<v Speaker 3>went sideways. Three goal or three wins in just fourteen games.

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<v Speaker 3>But in these last ten matches, seven wins. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they conceded just one goal in their last five and

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<v Speaker 3>they've been trending upwards. Like Real Salt Lake. They've added

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<v Speaker 3>some players, guys like Bata Bongie, Robin Hood up top,

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<v Speaker 3>Kelvin Yoboa. These players have shown they're more than capable

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<v Speaker 3>of causing havoc against opponents. But like you said, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a team that's probably going to come sit in, sit back,

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<v Speaker 3>force Reale Salt Lake or allowed Real Salt Lake to

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<v Speaker 3>play their possession based type of attacking football soccer and

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<v Speaker 3>see if they can hit in the transition because they

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<v Speaker 3>are legal and counter attack opportunities. And sometimes the name

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<v Speaker 3>of the game is being beautiful with the ball. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>the name of the game is figuring out how to

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<v Speaker 3>expose your opponents, and that's what they've done well these

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<v Speaker 3>last five matches, four wins and just to draw.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so excuse me on the RSL front. You

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<v Speaker 1>reference the Vera stuff, which is just such a bad look.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've had everybody, Pablo, Jason, Kurt, We've all talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Then Big Phil Quinton goes down and so

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<v Speaker 1>against Vancouver, Pablo's solution was to move to Van Brown

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<v Speaker 1>to center back a mecca Andelly to right back, a

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<v Speaker 1>mecca I think played sixteen games right back last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and bring in Nelson to where a mecca was. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you anticipate or maybe you straight up no, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>what is that going to look like?

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say you had you might have the lineups.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is it going to look like tonight with

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<v Speaker 1>that lack of center back depth?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, without confirming anything whatsoever, because you know, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to keep my job, Loo, could you sane? I think

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<v Speaker 3>the one thing that you can lean into is everything

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<v Speaker 3>you just described how they ended. They kept the shut.

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<v Speaker 3>You know they they they've showed defensively that they and

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<v Speaker 3>handle those type of moments and you go back. There's

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<v Speaker 3>been multiple times this season where Justin Glad and Brian

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<v Speaker 3>Vera the preferred partnership for Paulo Mastroni has not been

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<v Speaker 3>available where effectively you played two outside backs as center backs,

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<v Speaker 3>and whether that was you know, the days of a

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<v Speaker 3>left back and a right back playing a center back,

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<v Speaker 3>or you're just having to mix a match. It hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>been ideal. But at the same time, nobody's healthy. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody's one hundred percent healthy. So again, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>back to back shutouts for Zach McMath kind of continuing

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<v Speaker 3>to build what it looks like in terms of defensive

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<v Speaker 3>solidity and a shape and identity that at least with

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<v Speaker 3>the mechaanelly. What I would say is if he does

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<v Speaker 3>again play in that right back position, yes, he's played there.

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<v Speaker 3>When I talked to Pablo last year, he you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he was thinking down the road of a Mecca being

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<v Speaker 3>a central midfielder, which has been incredible alongside Ojeita. But

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<v Speaker 3>now if you put him at right back, he's he's

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<v Speaker 3>got the intelligence of playing that position, the familiarity of

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<v Speaker 3>playing that position. But I'd be really intrigue expense to

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<v Speaker 3>see what type of wrinkle he adds in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>overloading and stepping up into that midfield in possession and

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<v Speaker 3>what that looks like, because it's gonna. It's going to

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<v Speaker 3>cause some havocs for the opponents to kind of think

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<v Speaker 3>about where his starting position and his ending position are,

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<v Speaker 3>especially with Catronis down that left hand side. He loves

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<v Speaker 3>to get forward, effectively plays a left winger, and that

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately allows Diego Luna and Matt Crooks to be two

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<v Speaker 3>central midfielders in attacking mode underneath Tico Rongo. All of

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<v Speaker 3>those little movements that I'm talking about causes a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it causes. It causes a ton of havoc for

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<v Speaker 3>opponents to try to figure out when to step, when

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<v Speaker 3>to stay, and you have to be very communicative in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of dealing with what's in front of you and

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<v Speaker 3>what's behind you. That is a nightmare, especially in the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>So Pablo hopped down before the Vancouver match and I

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<v Speaker 1>asked him, because the schedule is being a little funky

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<v Speaker 1>this year, with three games in one week often and

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<v Speaker 1>then international duty injuries, he's had to show uff lit

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. I said, okay, last regular season match before

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<v Speaker 1>the postseason, are we going to see a first choice eleven?

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<v Speaker 1>And he basically said yes, so, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want you to walk me through this because it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like Diego should be centralized, but Matt's been really

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<v Speaker 1>good there and so Diego was out left, Diego was

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<v Speaker 1>out right, which is new. Diego hopped on the show

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<v Speaker 1>last week and said where every place I'm gonna end

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<v Speaker 1>up centralized?

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<v Speaker 2>So there's that.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like Mark Zuke was the guy they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe still will be the guy they wanted. His

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<v Speaker 1>feeling for Andres, and we have Lachlan in the mix

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<v Speaker 1>as well. He has a lot of different offensive options

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<v Speaker 1>and groupings. Where where do you think that group ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>should and will kind of settle in when the dust settles.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think mark Chuk started because he was

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<v Speaker 3>I think mark Chuk if he had, if he had

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<v Speaker 3>his full compliment of attacking players available, mark Chuk will

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<v Speaker 3>be on the right, Luno will be on the left,

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<v Speaker 3>Kriks would be underneath Chico. Now it seems surprising for

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people, including myself, well because Diogo and

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<v Speaker 3>the amount of money that you've spent on him, it

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<v Speaker 3>would suggest that he would be the guy that you

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<v Speaker 3>would absolutely play over Matt Crooks, especially because statistically Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Crooks isn't anywhere near the respective number tens in Major

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<v Speaker 3>League soccer. But what he does for the system and

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<v Speaker 3>the past before the pass and the runs off the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>I think have been incredibly important for the for the

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<v Speaker 3>setup and the tactical nuance that Pablo wants from this group.

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<v Speaker 3>So and by the way, not that he wants to,

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<v Speaker 3>but Diogo has been really good coming off the bench

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<v Speaker 3>and being an impact player, uh you know, in the

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<v Speaker 3>in the second in the second phase of play. So

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<v Speaker 3>all of those things are I think can be real

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<v Speaker 3>and can be true and still be frustrating. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think Pablo has a really good identity of who his

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<v Speaker 3>starting eleven is, even though he's got to have some

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<v Speaker 3>tough conversations about why certain players aren't getting the certain

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<v Speaker 3>amount of minutes that they expect at this stage of

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<v Speaker 3>the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me what you've seen this year from Diego, who

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<v Speaker 1>I perceived to be the player in that group that

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<v Speaker 1>is in the best form right now. Obviously, goals help,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's scoring goals. The best strike he had a

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<v Speaker 1>go in and went off the crossbar after like four stepovers.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's a magical talent.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>How from your vantage point, Dotty, has he grown this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean I did his game in January when

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<v Speaker 3>he was called up to the full men's national team

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<v Speaker 3>and he was capped and down in San Antonio. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the joke was he was turning from moon

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<v Speaker 3>boy to moon man because he was no longer kind

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<v Speaker 3>of his precocis young talent. Now he was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be about what can you do at the highest level

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<v Speaker 3>with the pressure on, the expectation on, and a U

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two contract that significantly gave him a pay raise. Little. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say little by little because he's

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<v Speaker 3>the same player. But every game he's continued to I think,

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<v Speaker 3>showcase not only why he deserves to start, but why

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<v Speaker 3>he should be an all star, why he should be

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<v Speaker 3>a contender for the US men's national team underneath new

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<v Speaker 3>head coach Mauricio Pochettino. You know the double birds based

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<v Speaker 3>on performance he gave the former US under twenty three

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<v Speaker 3>coach that refused to take him to the Olympics over

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<v Speaker 3>in France. You know, this is a young man who

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<v Speaker 3>and mental fortitude that he has is extraordinary, and I

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<v Speaker 3>would agree with you in terms of the consistency of

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<v Speaker 3>run of form. There haven't been a lot of games

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<v Speaker 3>where you've seen a dip in his performance. He's the

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<v Speaker 3>type of player that nobody wants to play against. He's quick,

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<v Speaker 3>he's dynamic, he's got a low center of gravity, very

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<v Speaker 3>very intelligent, great technically with either foot, and he's a

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<v Speaker 3>kid that wants to be on the ball as much

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<v Speaker 3>as possible, and you can see the frustration when he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't feel like he can be a part of the

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<v Speaker 3>solution and finds himself maybe as part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, the sky's the limit for this young man.

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<v Speaker 3>And twenty gold contributions on the season so far and

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<v Speaker 3>counting heading into the playoffs, I think it's just the

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<v Speaker 3>start of what we're going to continue to see during

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the timeline looks like. With him wearing an R

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<v Speaker 3>Sol jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>Go back to Chico for a moment, because I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been able to catch up with you for the past

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks and I'm just floored.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he still on seventeen goals?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm baffled, right, So several dynamics here and Dress,

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<v Speaker 1>and he obviously had a cool, good thing going. Gomez

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<v Speaker 1>has gone acclimates to new players. The suspension maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>hot star that wasn't sustainable, But how would you characterize

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<v Speaker 1>exactly why a player that was so red hot has

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<v Speaker 1>gone so eyes cold?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it definitely coincides with the suspension for me.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he was supposed to he was up for

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<v Speaker 3>the not only just starting in the All Star Game,

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<v Speaker 3>but potentially being the captain of the All Star Game

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<v Speaker 3>in Columbus, so you know that, and probably the frustration

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<v Speaker 3>handle or embarrassment of having to deal with the suspension

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<v Speaker 3>in the manner in which it was verbalized or not verbalized.

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<v Speaker 3>Losing and Dress hurts because I think those two just

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<v Speaker 3>instinctually understood one another. But I would say more importantly,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we saw, you know, we saw even the

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<v Speaker 3>Siachinka own goal down in Houston where we thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Chicho's getting got his goal again, here we go, how

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<v Speaker 3>many posts he hit, how many world class saves goalies

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<v Speaker 3>have had against them. But I think the one thing

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<v Speaker 3>to recognize as well statistically, Yeah, that's what we're always

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<v Speaker 3>going to focus on. Goals and the fifth from Chicho

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<v Speaker 3>because he is that good, and he's the captain of

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<v Speaker 3>Rial Saw Lake, and he was about to break Calvo

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<v Speaker 3>Sabario's single season goal scaring record of seventeen goals. He's

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<v Speaker 3>still playing well, Spence. I think that's that's the craziest

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<v Speaker 3>part about this. You know, statistically, he fell off a cliff,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's still playing really well. So if I knew

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<v Speaker 3>the solution, I would certainly verbalize that to Pablo and

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<v Speaker 3>his staff and to chie Cho himself. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm as dumbfounded to the frustration that he's finding himself

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<v Speaker 3>in as anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, So what I have here is about forty

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<v Speaker 1>degrees a kickoff with the chance of light rain, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe no rain at all. You're a guy that played

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<v Speaker 1>all over the world in extreme conditions everywhere. What yeah, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Like, so what what sort of unique challenges

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<v Speaker 1>does a cold, ready night bring.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's ideal in terms of you feel like you

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<v Speaker 3>can run forever, but you have to get your body

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<v Speaker 3>right in warm ups and make sure that you're not

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<v Speaker 3>pulling up. By the way, I didn't know Stevie Rayvaughn

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<v Speaker 3>was practicing the national anthem behind nice yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you just got to make sure physically you're prepared and

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<v Speaker 3>you're and you're warm, because getting through the warm up

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<v Speaker 3>is one thing. But then you go back inside to

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<v Speaker 3>the locker room and then you're standing out there during

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<v Speaker 3>national anthems, which it sounds like it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a fifteen minute national anthem right now with uh with

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<v Speaker 3>Stevie Rayvon out here. But then you know, it's about mentality,

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<v Speaker 3>and right now it's about killer mentality. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you you wear the long sleeves, if you need to

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<v Speaker 3>wear the gloves, whatever it is. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a cold night and and hopefully, you know, maybe they

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<v Speaker 3>can mimic the performance they had against in the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of the season where the snow was falling, seemed like

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to be a nightmare, and they absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>smashed LAFC on the night.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Dondy, last thing, then I know you got

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<v Speaker 1>to go. So I'll just put it like this very simply,

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<v Speaker 1>RSL gets all three gets a win tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>If what.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, if they set the tone, and I expect them

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<v Speaker 3>to set the tone, but I think it's important on

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<v Speaker 3>a night like this where you've had such a significant

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<v Speaker 3>break since decision day that you know, effectively what ten

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<v Speaker 3>eleven days off, that you haven't lost your rhythm and

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<v Speaker 3>if you can set the tone, I think that is

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<v Speaker 3>the baseline of confidence in terms of like the first tackle,

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<v Speaker 3>first touch, you know, winning that first header. If you

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<v Speaker 3>if you set that level of expectation for your teammates

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<v Speaker 3>and you show that you're up for it. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>lead by example, like I never needed to hear somebody

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<v Speaker 3>tell me as a player, let's go, boys, let's go,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I already knew we have to go. So then

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<v Speaker 3>how do you get everyone to fall in line with

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<v Speaker 3>your leadership. It's it's it's getting stuck in, it's setting

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<v Speaker 3>the tone, it's it's you know, getting into those those

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<v Speaker 3>verbal dialogues with the opponents. These are two teams that

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<v Speaker 3>don't like each other. That's clear and evidence. And you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to continue that through the playoffs because in a week,

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of days time, when you're on the road

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<v Speaker 3>in Minnesota on Saturday night, you want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that you that they know psychologically, whether they want to

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<v Speaker 3>verbalize it or not, that they're in for one hell

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<v Speaker 3>of a painful game to deal with playing RSL.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, brother, well, I appreciate the time, have a

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<v Speaker 1>great call, and I will love to get you back

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<v Speaker 1>on soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sounds good on man, good talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Don Seth.

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