Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
we left off with a Michael Thomas interview with the
OIG Inspectors. Question, So, as far as visitors to the shoe,
you said that there was redacted lane came at four,
but you don't recall any another CEO coming in at
five thirty am. Thomas, I don't question. No. And the
food delivery, you said that's all outside of the shoe.
You go out and get that yourself, Thomas, You go
out and get that. I mean, it happens. I mean,
if I'm not mistaken, it was just me and Noela
up there. At some time the six count come. He's
pushing it in when he comes along. But I don't
remember seeing the six cart come in at that time.
Question all right, Thomas, I don't recall. I don't remember
if he was there or not. I really don't remember.
Question Okay. And you said no one entered Epstein's cell
between twelve am and six am that you know of, Thomas,
not by my knowledge. Question and did you enter Epstein's
cell at all between six and approximately six thirty Thomas? No,
question and so never before the initial He gets cut
off by Thomas the yes the initial question. Okay, do
you know who the last person was to enter Epstein cell? Thomas,
I do not. Question. Okay, do you know what would
be the purpose of someone for the last person to
enter his cell? When you give people food? Do you
do it through the food tray? Thomas? Food slot? Question?
Food slot? So what would be a purpose to actually
enter a cell? Thomas? During which shift? My shift? The
overnight question? Yeah, so if you can think of a
reason why people would go into an inmate cell, what
would be the reason why someone would have Thomas. Most
of the time, you don't go in an inmate cell
unless authorized. The lieutenant has to be there to go
in there. Into an inmate cell, Thomas, Well, if you're
talking about during the morning watch, I can't go in
there until the lieutenant comes. I wouldn't just go in
there unless the lieutenant was in there. Question. Okay, so
officers don't go into inmate cells unless lieutenants are present. Thomas, No,
not for all. If an inmate is harming himself, I'm
not going to wait for the lieutenant. Question. Yeah, that's understood.
You know what I'm saying, but as far as just
going into the cell, I'm not going to go in
there unless the lieutenant is present redacted. Okay do you call?
Do you recall any issues with any other inmates? On
August tenth, twenty nineteen, during your shift, Thomas with me question? Yeah, Thomas,
no question, you add, no any issues? Do you remember, like,
were inmates complaining about the cells being left on or
anything like that? Thomas, cells being left on? Question? Sorry,
the lights being left on? Thomas, Nah, I don't remember.
They can plan a lot. I don't really remember. Question.
Do you know of any other inmates that were like
or came from Suicide Watch or were supposed to have
special attention or anything. Thomas No, I don't remember. Question,
So you don't remember complaints about the lights being left on?
Nothing Thomas, no question. How do the lights work? Are
the lights left on down the range? Thomas? The lights
are left on down the range, but all inmates cover
up their lights anyway. But even with the lights witch,
it doesn't cut off all the lights. It's a light
switch as soon as you go into the tier to
the left, and it shuts off the lights. But some
work and some because you can't shut it off, and
an inmate could still turn on his light. It doesn't
shut the power off to him redacted. So they have
access to their own interior lights Thomas, Yeah, they do. Question,
but the outside lights that you have access to, they
remain on. Thomas there on twenty four to seven. Question
they do, all right? And is this like they have
to remain on type of thing? Thomas, I guess so.
Question okay, Thomas, I don't know. Question all right. Now
we're going to talk about the medical emergency. Was there
a medical emergency in the shoe on the morning of
August tenth, twenty nineteen. Thomas, Yeah. Question why was the
medical emergency called? Thomas? When I went up to the
cell to feed the tear, when I knocked on the door,
seen mister Epstein. I said to come to the door.
Come to the door, and he didn't move, and then
I said I'm coming in, and then I went in
and he was hanging. Question Okay, when was the medical
emergency called? Thomas? I called it immediately. I couldn't tell
you the exact time. Question, but you called it in Thomas, Yeah,
I yelled to Noel to get help. Question Okay, So
You've gone to the door, saw what you saw, and
you yelled to immediately Thomas. Yeah. Well, when I got
to the door, I couldn't see what I was seeing.
When I popped it open, I seen what I saw
and I yelled for help. Question, so was the medical
emergency called before you even entered the cell? Did you
call Noel to call the medical Thomas? Yeah, I called
for Noel to call for the medical emergency. Yes, question
prior to entering, Thomas, Right as soon as I entered,
Right as soon as I entered. Question Okay, so kind
of like open the door and you said call for help. Thomas, Yeah, exactly.
Question that type of thing and you ran in Thomas simultaneously. Yes.
Question okay, so at what time? So if the medical
emergency was called at six thirty three am, approximately what
time was Epstein discovered? Do you think like a minute
went by, two minutes, three minutes, five minutes Thomas. I
can't tell you the exact time, but I know whenever
I popped because I don't know what time the food
card came the food cart came up. I don't remember
if we set up all the tears first, or we
set it up usually how I do it is just
set all the tears, and then I come back to
the first tier and then I put it on. I
don't remember if I did so or not. But when
I got to this particular when I got to his cell,
I got there, I came with food. I put all
on the walking food cart that's there and that you
could take. Let's say it was fifteen inmates up there
that you take usually in the morning. There's two trays.
I walked up there. I had it all set up.
So if the food cart, I don't know who was one.
Certain people food cart comes early. Some people came up early.
Let's say by the time I discovered by the time
I would say. Let's say if I went in there
at six yeld, the medical emergency at six oh one. Question. Sorry,
So the medical emergency was called at six thirty three, Thomas,
six thirty three, So I opened he gets cut off.
So I'm saying, Thomas, the cell, if it's closer. I
opened the cell at six thirty two. Question so approximately
probably like a minute Thomas. Yeah, I couldn't have taken her,
because I yelled to Noel. She yelled. It couldn't have
taken more than thirty seconds for her to rush and
yell for that emergency. Question all right, but you are
the one that discovered Epstein in his cell Thomas, Yes,
I am. Question okay? And who called the a medical emergency? Thomas?
I would assume Noel, did she yelled it over the
radio or whatever? Question? And that's what I was going
to say. How was a medical emergency called? Did she
call it on the radio? Did she have to call
the police? How does it work? Thomas? She could have
called on the radio. She could have did either, or
she could have called over the radio, should need assistance,
She could have had the radio over the phone. I
don't remember exactly which one that she did, but it
could have been either. One question. Do you know what
she said? What did you tell her at the time?
Did you say we need assistance? Thomas? Yeah? I said, yeah,
medical emergency, need help, need help? Question need help? Thomas, Yeah.
I don't know my exact words. I'm sure I just
said to say we need help. Question Okay, When was
the last time you saw Epstein prior to the discovery Thomas?
Prior to discovery the day that I sat with him, No, No,
probably the day prior the day prior when I fed him. Question,
So the day prior Thomas, the day prior when I
fed him. Question on August ninth, on your shift, sometime
between I guess in the morning, around like six six
thirty Thomas. Yeah, whatever, it's between six and six thirty. Question.
So approximately twenty four hours before Thomas that I actually
seen him. Question that you laid eyes on him? Thomas,
Probably when I did my count like when you're talking
about we actually fed, right when I did my account
that night, the night prior the night when I did
morning walk much question. All right, so you wouldn't have
seen him. Did you feed him? Thomas? I'm sure I
did the feeding question, but you don't actually put eyes
on people when you do the feeding. Thomas. Yeah, when
you do the feeding, so you have the feeding prior
in that time redacted. So I'm just saying when you
looked at him, he gets cut off by Thomas, Oh,
looked at him. Besides he grabbed the tray and we spoke. Yeah. Question,
So probably about twenty four hours before Thomas, twenty four
hours prior to that, Yeah, that morning watch on six
when I did the feeding. Question and did you notice
anything unusual when you last saw him Thomas no question, No, Thomas, no,
just took his tray. Question. Do you know who was
the last person to see Epstein alive? Thomas, no question, No, Thomas,
not there. Question. Do you remember hearing anything from Epstein's
cell between the times of twelve am and six thirty
three am? Thomas, no question. So you never heard like
any kind of banging or rustling or you know, coughing,
no movement or anything like that. Thomas, Uh huh. Question.
All right, So you said when you discovered him, you
were outside the door, you saw through the actual window,
correct Thomas, Yes. Question. And that's when you noticed something
was off? Thomas, I noticed something was off anything like that? Yes. Question.
And where was Noel's standing? Do you remember? Thomas, I don't.
I can't recall. Question was she near you? Was she
on the same tier? Do you know if she was
like somewhere else? Thomas, I don't. I really can't recall.
I don't know. To just be specific, I really don't
know where she was standing, if she was standing at
the grill or if she was standing at the base.
I don't remember. Question. When you were feeding the inmates,
is she typically near you? Thomas No, she doesn't have
to be. She could, Like I said, it all depends
on how that day. Like I said, we were both tired.
She could have been setting up the rest of the
tears if I didn't set up the tears. So until
I yelled for that help, that's the minute. And when
I yelled for help, she reacted to my yell. Question,
when you yell for help? Do you remember ever seeing
her making sure she knew Thomas? I really can't recall. Question.
You just remember yelling, Thomas, because I'm in the cell. Yeah,
I'm in the cell at that time. Question. All right, Thomas,
But I know she heard me. Question? You know she
heard you. Do you remember like her responding or anything
like I'm on it, Thomas. I don't remember questioned, received,
copied anything. Thomas. I don't know. Question. So you just
know that you yelled, Thomas. Yeah. Question. You don't know
where she was, Thomas, I don't know where she was.
She was just like at the grill or whatever. Maybe
she was at the grill. I don't remember exactly where
she was at. But I yelled, and I know she
called for help because help came. All Right, we're gonna
wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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