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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where

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we left off with a Michael Thomas interview with the

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OIG Inspectors. Question, So, as far as visitors to the shoe,

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you said that there was redacted lane came at four,

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but you don't recall any another CEO coming in at

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five thirty am. Thomas, I don't question. No. And the

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food delivery, you said that's all outside of the shoe.

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You go out and get that yourself, Thomas, You go

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out and get that. I mean, it happens. I mean,

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if I'm not mistaken, it was just me and Noela

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up there. At some time the six count come. He's

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pushing it in when he comes along. But I don't

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remember seeing the six cart come in at that time.

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Question all right, Thomas, I don't recall. I don't remember

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if he was there or not. I really don't remember.

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Question Okay. And you said no one entered Epstein's cell

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between twelve am and six am that you know of, Thomas,

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not by my knowledge. Question and did you enter Epstein's

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cell at all between six and approximately six thirty Thomas? No,

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question and so never before the initial He gets cut

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off by Thomas the yes the initial question. Okay, do

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you know who the last person was to enter Epstein cell? Thomas,

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I do not. Question. Okay, do you know what would

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be the purpose of someone for the last person to

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enter his cell? When you give people food? Do you

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do it through the food tray? Thomas? Food slot? Question?

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Food slot? So what would be a purpose to actually

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enter a cell? Thomas? During which shift? My shift? The

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overnight question? Yeah, so if you can think of a

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reason why people would go into an inmate cell, what

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would be the reason why someone would have Thomas. Most

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of the time, you don't go in an inmate cell

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unless authorized. The lieutenant has to be there to go

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in there. Into an inmate cell, Thomas, Well, if you're

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talking about during the morning watch, I can't go in

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there until the lieutenant comes. I wouldn't just go in

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there unless the lieutenant was in there. Question. Okay, so

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officers don't go into inmate cells unless lieutenants are present. Thomas, No,

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not for all. If an inmate is harming himself, I'm

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not going to wait for the lieutenant. Question. Yeah, that's understood.

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You know what I'm saying, but as far as just

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going into the cell, I'm not going to go in

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there unless the lieutenant is present redacted. Okay do you call?

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Do you recall any issues with any other inmates? On

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August tenth, twenty nineteen, during your shift, Thomas with me question? Yeah, Thomas,

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no question, you add, no any issues? Do you remember, like,

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were inmates complaining about the cells being left on or

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anything like that? Thomas, cells being left on? Question? Sorry,

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the lights being left on? Thomas, Nah, I don't remember.

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They can plan a lot. I don't really remember. Question.

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Do you know of any other inmates that were like

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or came from Suicide Watch or were supposed to have

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special attention or anything. Thomas No, I don't remember. Question,

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So you don't remember complaints about the lights being left on?

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Nothing Thomas, no question. How do the lights work? Are

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the lights left on down the range? Thomas? The lights

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are left on down the range, but all inmates cover

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up their lights anyway. But even with the lights witch,

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it doesn't cut off all the lights. It's a light

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switch as soon as you go into the tier to

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the left, and it shuts off the lights. But some

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work and some because you can't shut it off, and

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an inmate could still turn on his light. It doesn't

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shut the power off to him redacted. So they have

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access to their own interior lights Thomas, Yeah, they do. Question,

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but the outside lights that you have access to, they

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remain on. Thomas there on twenty four to seven. Question

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they do, all right? And is this like they have

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to remain on type of thing? Thomas, I guess so.

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Question okay, Thomas, I don't know. Question all right. Now

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we're going to talk about the medical emergency. Was there

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a medical emergency in the shoe on the morning of

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August tenth, twenty nineteen. Thomas, Yeah. Question why was the

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medical emergency called? Thomas? When I went up to the

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cell to feed the tear, when I knocked on the door,

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seen mister Epstein. I said to come to the door.

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Come to the door, and he didn't move, and then

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I said I'm coming in, and then I went in

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and he was hanging. Question Okay, when was the medical

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emergency called? Thomas? I called it immediately. I couldn't tell

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you the exact time. Question, but you called it in Thomas, Yeah,

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I yelled to Noel to get help. Question Okay, So

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you yelled to immediately Thomas. Yeah. Well, when I got

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to the door, I couldn't see what I was seeing.

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When I popped it open, I seen what I saw

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and I yelled for help. Question, so was the medical

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emergency called before you even entered the cell? Did you

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call Noel to call the medical Thomas? Yeah, I called

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for Noel to call for the medical emergency. Yes, question

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prior to entering, Thomas, Right as soon as I entered,

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Right as soon as I entered. Question Okay, so kind

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of like open the door and you said call for help. Thomas, Yeah, exactly.

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Question that type of thing and you ran in Thomas simultaneously. Yes.

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Question okay, so at what time? So if the medical

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emergency was called at six thirty three am, approximately what

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time was Epstein discovered? Do you think like a minute

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went by, two minutes, three minutes, five minutes Thomas. I

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can't tell you the exact time, but I know whenever

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I popped because I don't know what time the food

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card came the food cart came up. I don't remember

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if we set up all the tears first, or we

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set it up usually how I do it is just

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set all the tears, and then I come back to

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the first tier and then I put it on. I

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don't remember if I did so or not. But when

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I got to this particular when I got to his cell,

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I got there, I came with food. I put all

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on the walking food cart that's there and that you

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could take. Let's say it was fifteen inmates up there

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that you take usually in the morning. There's two trays.

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I walked up there. I had it all set up.

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So if the food cart, I don't know who was one.

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Certain people food cart comes early. Some people came up early.

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Let's say by the time I discovered by the time

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I would say. Let's say if I went in there

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at six yeld, the medical emergency at six oh one. Question. Sorry,

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So the medical emergency was called at six thirty three, Thomas,

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six thirty three, So I opened he gets cut off.

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So I'm saying, Thomas, the cell, if it's closer. I

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opened the cell at six thirty two. Question so approximately

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probably like a minute Thomas. Yeah, I couldn't have taken her,

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because I yelled to Noel. She yelled. It couldn't have

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taken more than thirty seconds for her to rush and

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yell for that emergency. Question all right, but you are

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the one that discovered Epstein in his cell Thomas, Yes,

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I am. Question okay? And who called the a medical emergency? Thomas?

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I would assume Noel, did she yelled it over the

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radio or whatever? Question? And that's what I was going

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to say. How was a medical emergency called? Did she

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call it on the radio? Did she have to call

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the police? How does it work? Thomas? She could have

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called on the radio. She could have did either, or

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she could have called over the radio, should need assistance,

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She could have had the radio over the phone. I

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don't remember exactly which one that she did, but it

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could have been either. One question. Do you know what

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she said? What did you tell her at the time?

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Did you say we need assistance? Thomas? Yeah? I said, yeah,

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medical emergency, need help, need help? Question need help? Thomas, Yeah.

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I don't know my exact words. I'm sure I just

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said to say we need help. Question Okay, When was

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the last time you saw Epstein prior to the discovery Thomas?

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Prior to discovery the day that I sat with him, No, No,

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probably the day prior the day prior when I fed him. Question,

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So the day prior Thomas, the day prior when I

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fed him. Question on August ninth, on your shift, sometime

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between I guess in the morning, around like six six

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thirty Thomas. Yeah, whatever, it's between six and six thirty. Question.

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So approximately twenty four hours before Thomas that I actually

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seen him. Question that you laid eyes on him? Thomas,

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Probably when I did my count like when you're talking

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about we actually fed, right when I did my account

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that night, the night prior the night when I did

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morning walk much question. All right, so you wouldn't have

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seen him. Did you feed him? Thomas? I'm sure I

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did the feeding question, but you don't actually put eyes

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on people when you do the feeding. Thomas. Yeah, when

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you do the feeding, so you have the feeding prior

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in that time redacted. So I'm just saying when you

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looked at him, he gets cut off by Thomas, Oh,

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looked at him. Besides he grabbed the tray and we spoke. Yeah. Question,

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hours prior to that, Yeah, that morning watch on six

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when I did the feeding. Question and did you notice

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anything unusual when you last saw him Thomas no question, No, Thomas, no,

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just took his tray. Question. Do you know who was

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the last person to see Epstein alive? Thomas, no question, No, Thomas,

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not there. Question. Do you remember hearing anything from Epstein's

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cell between the times of twelve am and six thirty

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three am? Thomas, no question. So you never heard like

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any kind of banging or rustling or you know, coughing,

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no movement or anything like that. Thomas, Uh huh. Question.

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All right, So you said when you discovered him, you

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were outside the door, you saw through the actual window,

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correct Thomas, Yes. Question. And that's when you noticed something

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was off? Thomas, I noticed something was off anything like that? Yes. Question.

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And where was Noel's standing? Do you remember? Thomas, I don't.

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I can't recall. Question was she near you? Was she

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on the same tier? Do you know if she was

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like somewhere else? Thomas, I don't. I really can't recall.

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I don't know. To just be specific, I really don't

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know where she was standing, if she was standing at

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the grill or if she was standing at the base.

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I don't remember. Question. When you were feeding the inmates,

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is she typically near you? Thomas No, she doesn't have

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to be. She could, Like I said, it all depends

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on how that day. Like I said, we were both tired.

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She could have been setting up the rest of the

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tears if I didn't set up the tears. So until

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I yelled for that help, that's the minute. And when

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I yelled for help, she reacted to my yell. Question,

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when you yell for help? Do you remember ever seeing

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her making sure she knew Thomas? I really can't recall. Question.

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You just remember yelling, Thomas, because I'm in the cell. Yeah,

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I'm in the cell at that time. Question. All right, Thomas,

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But I know she heard me. Question? You know she

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heard you. Do you remember like her responding or anything

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like I'm on it, Thomas. I don't remember questioned, received,

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copied anything. Thomas. I don't know. Question. So you just

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know that you yelled, Thomas. Yeah. Question. You don't know

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where she was, Thomas, I don't know where she was.

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She was just like at the grill or whatever. Maybe

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she was at the grill. I don't remember exactly where

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she was at. But I yelled, and I know she

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called for help because help came. All Right, we're gonna

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wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing

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with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.

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