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Speaker 1: Hello, this is doctor sh Early. You are listening to

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Shirley Copy Serious podcast. Scientifically speaking, it is the best

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podcast out there. I'm glad you found it. What a discovery.

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Look at you anyways. Again, this is doctor sh Early.

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Not to be confused with Shirley. Please don't call me Shirley.

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And as always, I'm quite serious. Enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jason, I was checking the calendar see if we

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had any kind of cool dates coming up. It ain't

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White Boy Day, is it?

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Speaker 3: No, man, it ain't White Boy Day.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know I'm pretty, but as pretty is a couple

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of us. I've already seen that movie and I ain't.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shirley You can't be serious podcasts.

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Ladies and gentlemen and guys girls out there in your

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cars on your headphones with your radio. Let me just

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tell you. Whatever you guys are doing, keep it up.

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You look great, you look fan passed. You're so cool.

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You're so cool. All right, everybody, we are here with

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our big bad combination. It's the one that says bad mother.

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This is the matchup between true romance and natural born killers. Now,

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there may be some of you out there that do

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not know the connection between these two movies, and I'm

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excited to tell you that story. But without giving too

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much away, let me just say Quentin Tarantino.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's the interesting thing that these movies have

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in common with me. This is the time of my

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life where I went to the movie theater to see

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almost everything. I did not see either one of these

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movies in the theater. I was like, what was I doing?

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What was going on that weekend? Maybe there was some

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other big movie that drew my attention. Here's what was

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going on in the movie theater. So True Romance was

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released September tenth, nineteen ninety three. Okay, so the three

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biggest movies at the box office that weekend was The

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Fugitive under big Yeah, I mean that really happened, idea.

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Speaker 2: So that's the movie I was going to see.

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Speaker 3: No doubt about it. Right Undercover Blues.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 3: I think that's Dennis Quaid and Kathleen Turner.

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Speaker 2: Maybe no, no.

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Speaker 3: And then third at the box office was True Romance. Okay,

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right now. Then the weekend of August twenty sixth, nineteen

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ninety four, that's the weekend that Natural Born Killers came out. Yes,

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ninety four. I was in college. I had money at

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my disposal. We went to the movies all the time,

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and especially during the summer. Here are the movies that

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were released that weekend. Okay, natural Born Killers, Camp nowhere,

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it's pat oh and Police Academy seven.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So this kind of helps answer the question that

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I had, which is, how did one of these movies

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become a big box office smash and the other one

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was a box office failure? True Romance was competing against

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The Fugitive. Yeah, the Fugitive was huge. I think it

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grossed twelve point three on a twelve point five million

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dollar budget.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing that I don't really understand about myself.

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All the ingredients to be adjacent movie, right, Oh sure,

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I mean, it's it's action packed, it's shootout, it's Tony Scott,

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Tony Scott. I love Tony Scott movie.

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Speaker 2: Tony Scott in his full on top gun tricked out

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of Beverly Hills cop Too. It went under my radar

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and I never saw it until about a week ago.

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A week ago, you we could not see this movie.

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And in the last thirty years.

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Speaker 3: No, really, cow In fact, I didn't even I wasn't

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even really sure what it was about. Like when you're like, hey,

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we need to do this, I'm like, all right, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was telling somebody else about it this morning, and

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I was like, oh, we're comparing, you know, Natural Born

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Killers to True Romance. And she was like, is that

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the Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm like, no, that's true lies okay,

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because that combination did not make any sense to me.

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I'm like, no, it wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: It would an answer to the mystery. One of these

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movies was a box office bomb. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The other one was a huge success because it was

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competing against Police Academy seven Rights. I mean that was

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its biggest competition, right, And so yeah, natural Born Killers.

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ninety four. I would have just started college, right, And

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me and my guys who were from my high school

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that I went to college with, we went out and

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saw that movie and it blew my freaking mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was a time. I mean, from ninety two

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to ninety four, you witnessed an absolute shift in what

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don't you think.

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obviously the audience wanted something different, and things go in cycles,

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and so you had the kind of gritty the good guys.

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where you know, people may be crappy for three quarters

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of the movie, but they turn out to be okay

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at The prime example is any Bill Murray movie.

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Speaker 2: Quarters of the movie, and then the last act of

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the movie where like, okay, turns out he's a lovable guy. Yeah,

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redeemed right. And so yeah, when Tarantino jumps into the scene,

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an entirely different way. And that's why I still maintained

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nineties is the best decade for movies ever.

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Speaker 3: So he went from video store clerk to Reservoir Dogs

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to true romance to pulp fiction to natural Born Killer.

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I mean it goes from nothing to one thousand miles

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an hour in just a year or two.

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Speaker 2: A high school dropout, he has got a book out now,

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which is his He goes and addresses the movies that

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he watched during the seventies that influenced him as a

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human being and a film ultimately a filmmaker. So his

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mother was from Kentucky. She meets a guy in La

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Quick Romance, they get married, she gets pregnant before Quentin

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is even born. Dad moves away to Hollywood because he

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wants to be an actor. Quentin Tarantino did not know

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his father, so his mom would date people, and you know,

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she was getting by, so she would have roommates and

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these people, including his mom, would take him to movies

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like Deliverance or Joe, which is if you don't know

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that movie, it's Peter Boyle and Susan Sarandon in her

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first movie.

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Speaker 3: It is a mind f okay it is, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But he fell in love with movies as a kid

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because he got to watch grown up movies as a

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little kid, going with his mom's boyfriend, and his mom's

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boyfriend sometimes was black, and so he got introduced to

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the blaxploitation movies of the seventies as well. And so

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at some point he figures out how to get a

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couple of movie scripts, and once he gets them, he's like,

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this is terrible, Like this is not what I was

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expecting at all. Because he would read books. He'd read

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pulp fiction, interesting books, yeah, and he loved that writing.

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two of them it's just terrible. It was hard to

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back then. And so the third one that he comes

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across is a script by Walter Hill really yes, called

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Hard Times, And he said when he read that, suddenly

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he saw how a script could be something that was

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made to read, not just something to start the process

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of a movie.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And so it's funny because with Natural Born Killers, it's

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a different script than what we get in the movie, right,

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it says he gets story credit and it's real short.

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I was watching it was like, whoa they just blew

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by Tarantino's name like in a half second, where everybody

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else had gotten two seconds of opening credit time. And

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then it says screenwriting, and it lists the two producers

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and Oliver Stone, right, And so I heard, Hey, the

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original script is out there, you can get it, and

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so I read the original script. Now Tarantina will say,

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I've never watched the whole movie. I watched up until

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the scene with Rodney Dangerfield house work. I want to deployd.

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Speaker 3: Well, you look nice, Mallory, Yeah, he.

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Speaker 2: Look, And then I was like, no, I'm done. He

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disowned it. He doesn't like it. He told people not

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to go see it. And I have to say, having

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read the script, it's actually very much like the movie

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The World Coming On in Man. The big difference is

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that Oliver Stone puts more emphasis on the crime spree

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at the beginning, and does that weird crap with the

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Indian that they kill. That is new. But basically everything

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else was in Tarantino's script. Now, what was in Tarantino's

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script that was not in the movie is this big

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courtroom scene where they're being tried for some of the murders.

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brother was murdered. He's asking her all of these questions

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and I'm sorry spoiler here if you haven't read the script.

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her skin. And then as it seems like he's finished

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and he's resting his case, he grabs a pencil and

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plunges it into her chest on the witness stand, murdering

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her in front of the jury.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, okay.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that he mentions in there is

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unruly Julie, which is the girl who is a Wayne

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Gale's secretary, go to girl. But he calls her unruly

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Julie in the script. That would be meaningless if you're

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watching the movie. Because she's mute. They only call her Julie.

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but he refers to her as unruly Julie. Which I'm

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just thinking, you're making this because you want people to

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read it. You want people to read this script. And

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so when he had read Walter Hill, he saw how

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Walter Hill. He friggin hates Walter Hill. Which I always

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find it interesting because there's going to be a character

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in True Romance that is based off of another director

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hating a producer, which we'll talk about later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's thirteen years old and he says, Okay,

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I'm going to try to write my first script. Man.

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So he tries to write an ABC after school special.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it didn't go so well.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy seven, he starts writing a script that he

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calls Captain Peach Fuzz and the Nchovies Bandit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Can you guess what movie from nineteen seventy seven he

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Speaker 3: That is based on Smoking the Band.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he made it twenty seven pages. Then he saw

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Paradise Allly with Sylvester Stallone and he's like, okay, I'm

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going to write that Three Italian Friends movie calls it

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Brooklyn VR to quote Tarantino and he's like, yeah, the

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VR don't mean it, just like reservoir docs.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: That's made me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thirty five pages on that one, okay.

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Speaker 2: And then he's working in the video store working with

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a guy named Roger Avery Quentin Tarantino is the guy

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in the video store that everybody goes to for movie

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recommendations because his knowledge of cinema is so fast. Right,

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but he's making minimum wage. Right, did you work in

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a video store? What was your high school job?

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Speaker 3: I worked at Mazio's Pizza. Yeah, but I frequented the

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video store near my house. And I did hear him say,

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they said, man, did you go to film school? He goes, no,

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Speaker 2: Thinking about Christian Slater Clarence intro romance, just hey, it's

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his birthday. What's he going to do? He's going to

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go watch a Triple Kung Fu feature, right, Yeah. And

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this my own story. I'm not just copying somebody else's story.

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was skipping school and his mom got onto him He's like,

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and I kept skipping the days and it was like,

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this is great. And then the school called his mom

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and she bawled him out, and he was like, I

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don't want to go back and finally she was like, fine,

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don't go back to school. Yeah. And this was right after,

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by the way, he had been grounded for stealing an

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Elmore Leonard novel from kmart.

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about that. Yeah, because I am an Elmore Leonard fan.

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Speaker 2: I know. That's why I had to mention it.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I just got into him basically a

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couple of years ago when Justified came out. I was like, man,

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this is fantastic. I mean, more from this guy. But

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and Quentin Tarantino's work. Yes, you take interesting, sort of

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edgy people and you make them likable or interesting in

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some way. I mean it's the same formula drug dealers

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and pimps and prostitutes, and.

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an entirely different way.

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Speaker 2: So after high school, after he drops out of high school.

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I don't say, Thank God, I don't have to go

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back to school. And so he lies about his age

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and he gets a job as an adult movie theater usher.

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Speaker 3: Somebody's got to clean up.

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Speaker 2: And then he works at video Archives, that place that

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he worked at with Roger Avery in Manhattan Beach, California.

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He and Roger Avery are working with actors. They're doing

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stuff in the theater. He comes up with some script

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ideas for this movie called My Best Friend's Birthday, and

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they spend months and years kind of putting this very

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cheap thing together. But many of the lines from My

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best Friend's Birthday end up in his True Romance script.

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dropped out of high school. Punctuations terrible. He's got lines

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drawn and pages pasted with glue, and it's all handwritten

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and about three hundred pages long and bound with rubber band.

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And he gives to Roger Avery, and he said, Roger

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Avery is the only other human being in the world

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who has read that original script other than me of

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true Romance. True Romance. Okay, now, as it happens the

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character of Clarence in True Romance, Christian Slater's character is

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Quentin Tarantine.

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Speaker 3: It is Quentin.

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Speaker 2: It's easy.

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Speaker 3: Do you like to get pie?

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Speaker 5: Do you see a good movie?

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Speaker 2: I love to get pie after.

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Speaker 5: Would you like to go get some pith?

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Speaker 4: I love some.

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Speaker 2: Pie, jung Fu movies. Working at the video store like

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comic book store. He works at a video store. Yeah,

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writing a script, he has Clarence writing a script as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when Clarence gets involved in these big adventures with

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these drugs and pimps and mafia and all of this.

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While all that's going on, he's also writing this script

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about two mass murdering love birds. And that script is

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Natural Born Killers.

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Speaker 6: You ain't saying nothing here.

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Speaker 3: You told me this, and that blew my socks off.

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I think that's a fantastic, very interesting nugget. The idea

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that Clarence is the author of Natural Born Killers the

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Quentin Tarantina universe is fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And Roger Avery not only reads this script, which

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is basically two scripts in one right, but he types

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it out in proper script format. Of they're friends. You know,

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just imagine these are like twenty something year old guys

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working in a video store. They're hanging out in somebody's

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apartment talking about the script and like, yeah, well, you know,

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this joke works, but this one's not as good, and

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I don't know that anybody's going to want to make

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a three hour movie. Maybe we should take the script

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that Clarence is writing out and make that a separate script, right,

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pre producer of Quentin Tarantino's movies, had some sort of

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falling out and they didn't talk to each other for

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about twenty years until just the last couple of years.

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Video Archives, named after the really the video rental place

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that they used to work together at. Yeah, they want

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to sell them. The plan is if we sell True Romance,

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then I think I can get thirty thousand dollars for

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that and that will be enough for me to make

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this other movie that at this point is just an

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idea in his head. Okay, just an idea. He just

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has this idea in his head. But he's at this party.

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He's thinking they could they're going to get thirty thousand

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dollars for the scripture romance, and he's going to be

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able to write this to make to direct this just

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idea at this point, which is a dialogue driven heist film.

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Speaker 6: Oka.

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Speaker 2: And so he's at a party and he meets this

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guy named Lawrence Bender. Lawrence Bender worked as a grip

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on the Tales from the Dark Side, the movie with

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Christians later no the series, oh right, exactly. In eighty nine,

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he teamed up with Sam Raymi and they made the

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film Intruder together. You've seen that? No, no, me neither

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you hear of it? Yeah? No, that's kind of what.

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Speaker 3: What I thought too.

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Speaker 2: So basically, this is a guy like we've met these

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guys before, like, oh yeah, I was involved in this film. Wow,

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that's amazing. What are you doing now?

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Speaker 3: Not much? Yeah? Right right right.

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Speaker 2: So he's he's done it. He was a grip and

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he helps Sam Raimi write a movie that nobody watched, right, okay,

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and so they he meets Tarantino at this party. Tarantino says,

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I've got this, you know, I got this heist film.

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that sounds really good. You should write it, and so

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that's what he does. Tarantino goes and writes the screenplay

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in three and a half weeks, brings it back to

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Lawrence Bender and he's like, this is the movie I

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want to make, and I'm going to sell my true

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romance script to make it. And Laurence Spender's like, listen,

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you may be able to get real money for this, right,

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this may be something that you can get real money for,

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not just pitoy money for. So let me see what

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I can do. And so he options the script and

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for three months they work to get Reservoir Dogs made.

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As that's happening, another company picks up his true Romance script,

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and yet another company picks up the natural Warren Killers script.

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his true Romance script has a secretary who works there

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who used to be the secretary for Tony Scott. Interesting, okay,

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and so she's talking to Tarantino and he finds us

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out and he's like, oh my gosh, I love Tony Scott.

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By the way, there is a great bit that I

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remember from back in like nineteen ninety four when the

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internets were new with Tarantino talking about how Top Gun

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is homo erotica.

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Speaker 3: I've heard this, Yeah, I've heard this.

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Speaker 5: What is top Gun?

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Speaker 3: You think it's a story about a bunch of fighter pilots.

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Speaker 2: It is a story about a man struggled with his

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own home.

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Speaker 3: Such way, that's it. That is what Top Gun is about. Man,

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So I'm not going to go there.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, he was excited about meeting Tony Scott, and so.

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Speaker 3: She let me. Let me just stop you there, because

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I don't want to glaze over this because Tony Scott,

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his brother is Ridley Scott, who we know from Gladiator

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and Blade Runner and Alien. But Tony Scott takes a

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back seat to nobody. Top Gun. Yeah, Beverly Hills Cop two,

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which we both enjoyed. Yeah, Days of thunder Man on Fire,

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Crimson Tide, Oh yeah, the Last Boy Scout.

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Speaker 2: Yep, he's a rock star.

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Speaker 3: He makes great movies and it's tragic.

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Speaker 2: You know, we went into his whole story whenever we

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covered Top Gun. Of course, a guy with just incredible

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abilities who then just one day walks to the edge

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of a bridge.

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Speaker 3: And jumps off still just baffles me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's still alive. Tarantino's excited to meet him.

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The secretary shows him the scripts for True Romance and

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Reservoir Dogs, and he's like, I want to direct Reservoir

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Dogs and she's like, well, Tarantino really kind of wants

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to do that himself, right, That's that's his baby, and

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he wants to that. And he's like, okay, I want

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to drew True Romance and she's like, well, the production

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company I'm working for now already has it and they've

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got a director attached. And so he's like, but it

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could be me. I'm Tony Scott. I mean right right,

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I'm not this guy. I got this pit, little nothing

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guy here. I didn't do Top Gun. Yeah, and she's

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like that's true. And so they had to pay the

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director they had attached, like one hundred thousand dollars just

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to not direct it.

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Speaker 3: Great money, yeah, great gig if you can get it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we can pay that guy one hundred thousand dollars

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and get Tony Scott done. Where do I sign a check? Right?

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this movie. Now, unlike the Oliver Stone experience, Tarantino says

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he absolutely loves true romance, and it's not necessarily because

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they kept his script exactly as it was. Apparently it

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had that nonlinear thing that he does in pulp fiction

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and reservoir dogs. You start off where the characters seem

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to know more than you, and then you kind of

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catch up to them in the middle, and then by

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the end you know, the cops are planning this thing,

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the mafia guys are planning this thing, the people. The

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director has no idea what's going on. The drugs are here,

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the guns are here, and the characters don't.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant. Yeah, brilliant.

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Speaker 2: And so in the other major point, Clarence and Alabama

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die in the original script. Yeah, But Tarantino said, the

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way that Scott did it, the way that he handled

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it and made it what it was, it would have

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been wrong to kill him at the end.

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Speaker 3: Well, Tony Scott fell in love with the characters, and

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it wasn't like this defiant thing where like I'm changing

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I'm the director, I'm changing this. He's like, listen, I

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just love these characters. I couldn't let him die. Yes,

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And that to me is like all right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you watch that movie, I would feel

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that if they would have killed those characters and been like,

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what the.

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Speaker 3: Heck I know now? Mickey and Mallory, on the other hand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's this alternative ending was filmed to Natural

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Born Killers where McKee and Mallory are killed by the

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narrator for The Sandlot.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, the guy.

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Speaker 2: Who's like, hey, guys, come on, and like he's showing

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them the way out of the jail. Like they're like,

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how do you know about this? He's like, I come

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here to think sometimes. That's the guy who narrates The

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Sandlot who at the end is calling the game for

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Benny the jet.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, that's right, he plays older Scottie Small's.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, And so in Natural Born Killers he just

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kind of seems to show up out of nowhere, guide

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them to where they can sort of escape, and then

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he just disappears. But in an alternative ending that they filmed,

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he killed them.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to get into the cast of these

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movies because they are both fantastic casts right right. And

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I've got trivia nuggets that I'm dying to tell you.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, I want to pull out

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one quote that I heard about True Romance because I

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think it just nails it. Tony Scott's handling of Quentin

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Tarantino's script came off like the cinematic equivalent of a

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cocaine flavored bubble gum.

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Speaker 3: Cocaine flavored bubble that's perfect.

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00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: That's that's exactly right. Like they're both so warm and delicious,

470
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:11,039
and yet they're dealing with violence and drugs and debauchery,

471
00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:14,759
and it's all just fan freakantastic.

472
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,799
Speaker 3: Cocaine flavored bubble gum. I love it.

473
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,079
Speaker 2: I love it so Now, once production actually is about

474
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,519
to begin on both of the movies, like they're very

475
00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:25,160
close to starting, both True Romance and Natural Born Killers,

476
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,680
Reservoir Dogs comes out right, it's released before these two movies,

477
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,440
and at that point it's such a good movie. It

478
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,680
does so well at the film festivals that they just say, hey,

479
00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:37,720
if you want to direct Natural Born Killers, you can.

480
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,720
This is an interesting story. You told me this the

481
00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:41,480
other day, and I was like, quite understand this.

482
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: But you go.

483
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: And they said the same thing about True Romance, even

484
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,640
though Tony was already attached to it. They said, listen,

485
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,519
if you want to direct it, you can, and Tony

486
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:51,400
will be the executive producer. He won't even won't mess

487
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,200
with your mojo, right, you know, you've established yourself as

488
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,079
a quality director with Reservoir Dogs, and so you can

489
00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:58,839
have either one of these movies. And he turned them

490
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,279
both down. And you had the same question I had,

491
00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:03,440
which is why I would you write that? So the

492
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,079
reason that he gave is they were all first movies.

493
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:12,240
Reservoir Dogs, big splashy first movie. By the way, Harvey

494
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,359
Weinstein tried to get him to take the torture scene,

495
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,359
the aircutting scene out of Reservoir Dogs, right, and he said,

496
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,799
it's the most important scene in the.

497
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: It is, it's the most memorable scene too.

498
00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:24,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Harvey was used to getting his way and

499
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:26,200
he said, it's the most important scene in the movie.

500
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,359
I'm not taking it out. Wow. And that is the

501
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,559
way he's been for all of his scripts. He's like,

502
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,160
the way I write my script is the way I

503
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720
write my script, and I'm not changing it for you

504
00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:38,559
or anybody else. He's like, I would write these things

505
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,720
and people would say, do you really think they're going

506
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:43,039
to leave you? Let you leave that in there, And

507
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,640
he's like, who's day? Who is this day that's going

508
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,680
to stop? Me, because he said, I had the bravado

509
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:50,319
to go. If you don't want to make the movie

510
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,559
the way I wrote it, then I can go over

511
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,599
to this other production company. I don't have the maker. Yeah,

512
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,559
and he yeah, the bravado worked out for him anyway.

513
00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:00,559
He had made Reservoir Dogs as a big, splashy first movie,

514
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,400
and he says, your second movie is more important than

515
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,079
your first movie because you could be just a lucky

516
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,400
flash in the pan. And so your second movie has

517
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,359
to be of higher quality. Now, keep in mind has

518
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,279
not written pulp fiction at the time. They're offering him

519
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:19,240
directing True Romance and directing Natural Born Killers. Right, he's

520
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,160
going on a wing in a prayer here that he's

521
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,200
going to make a second movie that's not that is

522
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,680
better than Reservoir Dogs, that is better than Natural Born Killers,

523
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,160
and that is better than True Romance.

524
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,519
Speaker 3: My second movie has to be better. I don't know

525
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,759
what it is yet, right, that's crazy. Yeah, and he

526
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,079
knows he's got two very quality movies in his back pocket. Yeah,

527
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,640
pretty ballsy man. Yeah.

528
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: So a lot of comparisons have been made with Natural

529
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,839
Born Killers to Bonnie and Clyde.

530
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So to me, this is more Charles Starkweather, who

531
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,440
is kind of a he was just kind of a

532
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,000
bully with a gun, huh. And he went on a

533
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:58,720
rampage in Nebraska, and he took his thirteen year old

534
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,720
girlfriend with him and shot her parents, and shot a

535
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,599
gas station attendant for six bucks and went on a

536
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,559
wild killing spree. And to me, these people resemble that

537
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,799
couple more than Bunny and Clyde.

538
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: Well what's interesting. I mean, you get two life events

539
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,920
that are being fictionalized and made into art, so you

540
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,240
have art imitating life. But then Oliver Stone takes it.

541
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,680
And I mean the quote on the poster is about

542
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,680
the influence of the media and how you know these

543
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,359
true crime things are taking they're recycling real dramatic, traumatic

544
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,440
events for entertainment purposes. And then after the movie comes out,

545
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,559
you have not one, not two, but three, four, maybe

546
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,839
five different copycat killers that you have life and imitating

547
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,720
art imitating life imitating art.

548
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,839
Speaker 3: This movie really spoke to people, and in not a

549
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:52,240
good way.

550
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:52,519
Speaker 2: Right.

551
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think back to ninety four. You have oj

552
00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,680
you have Lorraina Bobbitt, you have the Menindez Brother got

553
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,160
Tanya Harding, You've got Nancy Kerriganntanya Harding, you have a

554
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,720
lot of kind of these splashy news stories where people's

555
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,559
craziness is on full display.

556
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: They were an absolute influence on how this movie turned

557
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,319
out because they started making it before all of those

558
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,319
things happened, right right, and then in the midst of

559
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,000
making it and rewriting Tarantino's script and all of this,

560
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,799
they're like, the media is taking all of these atrocious

561
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,400
things and just plugging everything they can for ratings, right.

562
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:32,240
I mean, we all saw the OJ thing. It's just crazy.

563
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: And you know, people forget the Meninda's brothers, who they're

564
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,079
back in the news right now. Yeah, that was everywhere

565
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,400
before OJ took over and sucked all the auction of

566
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,839
the room. Yeah, Loreena bob It. I don't know if

567
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,359
people still remember that, but I definitely do.

568
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,599
Speaker 2: So if you don't Google search it, don't click images.

569
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,839
Speaker 3: Don't make your wife mad while you're sleepy. Yeah.

570
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,079
Speaker 2: Okay, So we've talked about how these movies came to

571
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,240
be that both just absolutely fan freakantastic according to some

572
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,680
We won't give our final judgement a time for our

573
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,839
final judgment, but they are both ranked in the top

574
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:12,039
two hundred and fifty movies.

575
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: Of these movies spoke to people, for sure, And.

576
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,839
Speaker 2: I remember seeing Natural Born Killers very close in time

577
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,279
to the time that I saw Pulp Fiction.

578
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean same summer.

579
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: So it's kind of interesting that those things were all

580
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:27,400
kind of playing out as they did. But we need

581
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,160
to know. I mean, these movies have an incredible cast.

582
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,799
Both of them have an incredible cast, and I can't

583
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,119
wait to start talking to you about them.

584
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so the cast. Let's go to True Romance since

585
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:45,640
it's the first one. Sure. Okay, so you've got Christian

586
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,079
Slater as Clarence Warley.

587
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: You're paid read what are you? Theater checker?

588
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: Get paid a check up on the box office?

589
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: Girls, make sure they're not ripping the place off.

590
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,119
Speaker 5: Non theater checker, call.

591
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,559
Speaker 3: Girl, Arkansas. Dave Rootable, Arkansas, Dave root You know we

592
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,000
grew up with Christian Slater, right. He was in Legendibilly Jean.

593
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,720
He was in Young Guns too, he was in Heathers

594
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,519
Gleaming the Cube. But check this out. Yeah, do you

595
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,279
remember a movie called Pump Up the Volume?

596
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: Yes?

597
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: Can you tell me what that movie is about? I

598
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,559
didn't watch the movie, But isn't he like a DJ

599
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:22,359
or something. He might be the world's first podcast host

600
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,599
because he your wave radio dealer. He has the shortwave

601
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,880
radio show where everybody tunes in and listens to him

602
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,079
and he just kind of talks about whatever he wants

603
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:35,319
to talk about. And I'm like, Christian Slater might be

604
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:36,519
the very first podcaster.

605
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:37,359
Speaker 2: Fantastic.

606
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,599
Speaker 3: Okay, Now he plays Clarence. Val Kilmer wanted this part.

607
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,039
I just played Iceman for you. Can Can I be Clarence?

608
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: No? No? Can I be one of the bad guys? Now?

609
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,319
Speaker 3: Who can I be? You can be Elvis? Oh cool?

610
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: I get to do the hair now we won't see

611
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:49,559
your face.

612
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,759
Speaker 3: That is totally insane to me, So we might as

613
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,680
well just talk about that. Val Kilmer plays the mentor.

614
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,200
He doesn't play Elvis. He's the mentor.

615
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:01,119
Speaker 2: Now. Of course, the opening conversation of the movie, it's

616
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:03,880
about him, you know, not gay. But if I had

617
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:04,519
f a.

618
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:10,359
Speaker 3: Guy, right and yes, yeah, now, the Elvis estate would

619
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,759
not allow this movie to use any of his song

620
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,160
and really not his likeness. You can't even tell it's

621
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,279
Val Kilmer. Yeah, okay. So Christian Slater does a great

622
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,119
job as Clearance. I think he's fantastic. He's perfect in

623
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,880
this part. Val Kilmer is a little bit too heroic

624
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,519
at this time for me to totally identify with that character.

625
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,759
You're not going to believe Val Kilmer as a nerdy

626
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,319
comic book can't get a date free? Yeah yeah, somebody

627
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,319
friend has to hire a prostitute for him to get

628
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,920
laid on his birthday. Kind of deal now, Patricia Arquette, I.

629
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 5: Made the chaos of that day when all I could

630
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,839
hear was a thunder of gunshots, and all I could

631
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:51,200
smell was the violence in the air. I look back,

632
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,359
and I'm amazed, and my thoughts were so clear and

633
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,480
true that three words went through my mind, endlessly repeating

634
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:05,599
himself like a broken record. You're so cool. You're so cool,

635
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:08,519
You're so cool.

636
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: Who I knew from Dream Warriors Part three. She's also

637
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:13,480
Rosanna's sister.

638
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: Nieder Elm Street Part three, Dream Warriors.

639
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: Yes, Nightmare on Elm Street three, Dream Warriors, Yes, thank you,

640
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,440
thank you. She plays Alabama Whitmen. Huh which they Tarantino

641
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,079
got the name Alabama Whitman from a Pam Greer movie

642
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,160
Women in Cages, where her name was Alabama.

643
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

644
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: Tony Scott wanted Drew Barrymore Thank ninety three, Drew Barrymore. Right,

645
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:40,759
Quentin Tarantino wanted Joan Cusack in this role. Nope, right not.

646
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:46,400
She's funny, quirky. Yeah, she's not sexy. She does taste

647
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,880
like a peach, that's right. Yeah, So they settled on

648
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,480
a Patricia Arquette. And here's the quote from Tony Scott

649
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,920
from the moment Christian Slater saw her. He had a

650
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,000
witty for her.

651
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

652
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: The attraction between those two actors was very real on

653
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,839
screen off screen. Oh really did they date? I guess

654
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,319
well apparently according to Christian slatery he kind of doesn't

655
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,759
really say yay or nay. But basically they were both

656
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:15,240
in relationships. They were both very tempted, and they both

657
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,200
tried to stay as professional as possible. Right, And but

658
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,160
I mean, how do you look at that in this movie?

659
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:23,200
She's fantastic.

660
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: She is oozing sexuality. She is and kind, loving, fun, spunky.

661
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: I love you, baby.

662
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:36,119
Speaker 2: She is great and she delivers a great performance. I mean,

663
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,440
you start with that first scene where you know she's

664
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,680
she goes in and she spills her popcorn on him,

665
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,240
and they hang out and she's talking to him and

666
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,039
it's all delivered. And then she is sitting on the

667
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,000
billboard sign. Is that what it is out there? Like

668
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,519
she's out of outside of the apartment, you know, crying

669
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,839
like boohooing.

670
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: She is a fantastic actress. She does such a great job.

671
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,799
Speaker 2: So just you know, great actors and looks to boot.

672
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,279
You know, you and I were talking.

673
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: I think one of the keys for why she's so

674
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,839
kind of low key, trashy sexy. Yeah, you and I

675
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,599
both agreed the fact that she does not have perfect teeth.

676
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

677
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,559
Speaker 3: She looks like she was in the trailer park last

678
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,240
week and she got some lipstick and she's got a

679
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,720
nice rack, and that's what she's going on. You know,

680
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,640
she's slept with two guys. Okay, now you've got Dennis

681
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,079
Hopper as Clifford Worley. That's Christian Slater's dad. I knew

682
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,000
him from Hoosier's Yeah sure, and then of course later

683
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,000
from Speed and water World.

684
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't see either one of those.

685
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: We're going to correck that. Yeah, well I saw Easy Writer.

686
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: How about that? Did you see Easy Writer?

687
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:39,039
Speaker 3: Yeah?

688
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:42,519
Speaker 2: So maybe no, But I hope that the next person

689
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,440
that you're mentioning is going to be Christopher walking Do

690
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,200
you know who I am?

691
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:54,519
Speaker 6: Mister Wooley, I give up? Who are you? The anti Christ?

692
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,039
You got me in a vendetta kind of mood in

693
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,480
Tully Angels in Heaven. You never seen it evil so

694
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:02,960
singularly personified as you did in the face of the

695
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,119
man who killed you. My name is Vincent Cocatia. I

696
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,039
work as console from mister Blue little boyle, the man

697
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,920
your son stole from. I hear you were once a cop,

698
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,639
so I can assume you've heard about this before. Am

699
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:16,559
I correct?

700
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: I've heard of Blue Blue boil alad because the interchange

701
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,840
between Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walkin is one of the

702
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,440
best interchanges in all fantastic history, right, yeah, and actually

703
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:30,960
in speech.

704
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: Yes.

705
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: It comes from a conversation that Quentin Tarantino actually had

706
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,920
with a black friend, you know, tells him this is

707
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,840
the history, and this is why the Sicilians are all

708
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,599
dark haired and all this that used to be blonde

709
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,039
of blue eye, just like the northern Italian right, And

710
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,679
he says, he meets a Sicilian and he starts telling

711
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,880
him this, and the reaction wasn't so good. This is

712
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,320
kind of intense. I need to keep this idea for

713
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:52,880
a script.

714
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,159
Speaker 3: It's so good, all right, big fan of the N word,

715
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,719
which we're going to talk about if we get to

716
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,480
Django and Chained here in a few weeks.

717
00:34:59,559 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: Yep.

718
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,039
Speaker 3: Okay, here's an interesting tidbit for you. I've been waiting

719
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:02,719
to drop this on you.

720
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,199
Speaker 2: Okay.

721
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:08,199
Speaker 3: Tarantino took a couple of lines from other movies dropped

722
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,920
them into True Romance as kind of a tribute to

723
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,039
those movies. The line beer is all I Ever eat,

724
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,320
which I think Christian Slater says in this movie.

725
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,519
Speaker 2: Okay, that comes from the Last Picture Show. So yeah,

726
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:24,119
that's Jeff Fridges and Sybil Shepherd. Yes, Peter Brugdanovitch, thank you.

727
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: The line You're just like your mother, Dennis Hopper says

728
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:31,960
in Rumblefish, which we covered a couple of seasons ago.

729
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,159
Speaker 2: That's right, that's fantastic.

730
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, I was happy to drop that one on you.

731
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,480
So that's really interesting.

732
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: So, you know, I listened to him talking about you know,

733
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,440
there are these things that come up online these days

734
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,000
of actors that you wrote a part for, or that

735
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:50,840
you have in mind for a particular part, right right,

736
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,320
And so you know, obviously he's talking about the John

737
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,880
Travolta in pulp fiction. Yes, because he didn't write that

738
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,199
part for John Travolta, right, he wrote it for Michael Madson.

739
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,079
Michael Madson gets hooked up with Wyatt Erp instead, and

740
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,440
so they can't have him. And so they're like, hey,

741
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:08,320
you're on fire.

742
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:09,039
Speaker 3: You know.

743
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: You say all the names of anybody that you think

744
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,320
could possibly play in this part and all of these parts,

745
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,039
and as long as they're good with it, we're good

746
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,039
with it, and we'll get them. And so he makes

747
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,960
this big fantasy list, but he includes in there John Travolta,

748
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:23,840
and they're like, Okay, we're willing to go with you

749
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,760
on all of these names except for two. I don't

750
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,679
remember who one of them was, but the other one

751
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,320
was John Travolta. And he basically said, well, that's the

752
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,239
way that I want it, and if you don't want

753
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,280
to make the movie that I want it, I'm going

754
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,079
to go do it with somebody else. So they're all right, okay,

755
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,880
John Travolta. And he said he'd actually had him in

756
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,000
mind for Eric Stultz's part. Oh really, yeah, he said

757
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,119
he wouldn't have dressed him in the same clothes or whatever,

758
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:48,719
but he was going to be the drug dealer. Once

759
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,400
he hung out with him and talked with him for

760
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,639
a while, he remembered this article that he had read

761
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,800
where the lady was basically saying, you know, Travolta's out,

762
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,199
but if there's anybody that needs to be back, it's

763
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,239
him because he was so well regarded when he was

764
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,920
on the top. But I mean, he went from Saturday

765
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Night Fever and all of these incredible movies that just

766
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,320
DNC ding dingcdnk down to look who's talking right? He

767
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,760
was straight to video at that point. But anyway, I

768
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,119
say all that to say, if he put those lines in,

769
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,559
that means that he was already writing the lines for

770
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,519
Dennis Hopper, like he had Dennis Hopper in mind when

771
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:28,679
he wrote those lines. Because he wasn't there. They offered

772
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,599
him again, they said, hey, do you want to come

773
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,719
hang out and be on set while we're filming the movie?

774
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,360
And he's like, why, Well, I guess because you know,

775
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,639
I'm either going to be there to make the movie

776
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,519
or I'm not going to be there to make the movie.

777
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:42,840
And I just want him to just make it how

778
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,199
he wants to make it, So let him make it

779
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:44,880
how he wants to make it.

780
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 3: I'm sure Tony's got to appreciate that.

781
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that means that he wrote those lines with

782
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Dennis Hopper in mind, and Dennis Hopper said yes and

783
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,480
took the part. That's fantastic.

784
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: Here's another interesting thing. So the Sicilian scene between Hopper

785
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,480
and Walkin. Yeah, Walkin was originally scheduled to film his

786
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,920
side of the conversation first, right, So they filmed both

787
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,800
sides of it, and Walking was like, you please film

788
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,760
his side first because he was still kind of putting

789
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,519
it together in his head. What kind of guy he

790
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:14,960
was gonna be? Right? And these are just two master actors,

791
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,159
you know, absolutely the only thing that I can't. I mean,

792
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,320
Christopher Walking doesn't super look Sicilian to me, but he's

793
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,159
still great, and so it's it's easily overlooked, right, Gary

794
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:28,519
Oldman as Drexel Spivey.

795
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: You have to see boy you got from Joe Damns.

796
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:44,679
Speaker 3: I know, no, thanks, no things, wun.

797
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: I think you're too scared to.

798
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,199
Speaker 3: Be so freaking brilliant.

799
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy has just come off of Dracula, right, Dracula,

800
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:02,559
he's the blood, He's lad the Impaler, right, right, and

801
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,280
and then before that he's in like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern

802
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Are Dead, which is a comedy Tom stopperd movie with

803
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,719
Tim Roth. He's a goofball in that one, but we're

804
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,119
just seeing the beginnings of what Gary Oldman can be.

805
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:18,079
And then he gets the opportunity to play Drexel this

806
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,719
dreadlocked ubonics speaking scar faced him yeah, and he kills it.

807
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: In fact, he said that he went to lunch with

808
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,559
Tony Scott and Tony's Scut's like, well, I're still kind

809
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:31,760
of working on it, but he basically he's a white

810
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,920
guy who thinks he's black and he's a killer pimp.

811
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,719
And Gary Oldman is like, I'll take it.

812
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,679
Speaker 2: Sounds good, yeah, yeah, And I seen you a clip

813
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,480
it was Gary Oldman still in the makeup. By the way,

814
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,239
he called up the guys from Dracula and it's like,

815
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,360
I want a scar across my face and the eye

816
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,719
out and all of that stuff. Dracula makeup guys came

817
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,320
and did Drexels.

818
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: Met the Wig too?

819
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: Wig two? Yes, yep, But he's it's just an interview

820
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,880
with him and he's in his regular you know, British.

821
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,639
Speaker 3: Voice, it's which is great the dreadlocked guy British voice.

822
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,679
Speaker 2: But he's talking about Tarantino because nobody knows who this

823
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,400
is at this point. Right, he's done Reservoir Dogs and

824
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,159
true Romances coming out and that's it, right, right.

825
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: Right, But he nails it.

826
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: He's like, he's this guy who's taken all of these

827
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,800
old characters that we all know and he's made them

828
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,800
new in a new way. He's twisted these characters and

829
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,000
brought them to life in a way that no one

830
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:24,840
else has done it before. And he could see that

831
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,599
on movie number two. Yes, brilliant.

832
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's talk about Brad Pitt as Floyd.

833
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 4: You guys want to smoke a bowl, go down Beechwood

834
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,280
and drive a wild and then he's gonna turn right, okay,

835
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,880
and then you go and you keep driving and you'll

836
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,679
keep driving.

837
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: So I remember, you know, Statute of limitations has passed

838
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,039
on this, so I can make some admissions here. I

839
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,199
remember going over to friend of mine's house when I

840
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,840
lived in Tulsa and she was like, we made a

841
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,599
honeybear bong. And I was like, you did what?

842
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: She's like, we made the honeybeer bong and.

843
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the crap are you talking about. She's like,

844
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,920
we took the bear that has the honey in it,

845
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,039
and we took the honey out and we made a.

846
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 3: Bong out of it. And I was like, why.

847
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

848
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 3: She's like, have you not seen True Romance? And I

849
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,320
said no. She's like, we're watching it now and I.

850
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:25,079
Speaker 2: Said, oh, okay, yes, because Brad Pitt smoked pot out

851
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:26,480
of a honeybear.

852
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: So he asked for this part. Here's the thing with

853
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,440
Brad Pitt, we know he's leading man material, and he

854
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,320
goes on to be one of the most famous actors

855
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,519
in the entire world. Right, So he had done Dublin

856
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:41,239
Luise and that kind of broke him out, right, and

857
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,119
then he's like, I mean, I'm just kind of a

858
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,800
guy who likes to hang around his underwear on a

859
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,719
couch all day. That's kind of who I am and

860
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,119
my soul. But he's so good looking that, you know.

861
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,360
The next year after this, he's into Interview with the

862
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,400
Vampire with Christian Slater, and then he's off and running

863
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,960
with seven and Fight Club and all that other stuff, right.

864
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: And eventually it comes full circle too and Glorious Pastor,

865
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,360
where he's work that's guarantined. Yeah, here's an interesting tidbit

866
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,119
for you before we get to the tidbits. What happens

867
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,639
to Floyd? Right? The mafia guys show up at the

868
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,000
door and they're asking question and she's not lying to him.

869
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 3: You go down for a while and the turn right,

870
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,639
he's even.

871
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: Kind of laughing a little bit, and then it just

872
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880
cuts away like did the bad guys.

873
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,519
Speaker 3: Do anything to Floyd? What happened to him?

874
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:23,039
Speaker 4: Up?

875
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:27,599
Speaker 2: So that question inspired the movie Pineapple Express.

876
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: I love it. I thought that was a great nugget.

877
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: This is what happens to a pothead who gets involved

878
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,639
in this mass.

879
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, okay, but let's keep going because we've got

880
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,159
more stars to talk about.

881
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep going.

882
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, that's okay. Bronson Pinchot as Elliott Blitzer, perfect strangers.

883
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,719
But he's playing like the collar up polo kind of guy.

884
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: Right.

885
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: He's the assistant to Saul Rubink's character that's based on

886
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,840
Joel Silver, of course, right, of course, Yeah, Tony's got

887
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,639
hated Joel Silver.

888
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,519
Speaker 2: I can understand that.

889
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, his character so funny in this. He gets missed

890
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:02,599
up in the in the drug shootout the end.

891
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wish somebody would just come and save me.

892
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,679
Speaker 3: Somebody could just come in and just save me. Okay,

893
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,800
after Bronson pinchhow, you've got Samuel L. Jackson who's playing

894
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,840
Big Don. He's in it for about four seconds, yeah,

895
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,960
before he gets blown away. Yeah, he was coming to

896
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,840
America longer than he was in this movie. That's true.

897
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,159
And this is right before fiction, which sure that he

898
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:29,440
got a little boost from this movie to get pulp fiction. Right. Absolutely, Yeah,

899
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,119
he's making interesting characters before he gets blasted for basically

900
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:34,559
no reason.

901
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drexel blows him away.

902
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: You've got Michael Rappaport as Dick Richie right.

903
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, he's great and I want him in this.

904
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:43,920
I wish he was always this character. I've seen him

905
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,159
in so many things where he's like this tough guy,

906
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,280
jerk guy. I don't like him as that. He needs

907
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,920
to be the goofy, fun loving moose guy.

908
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know he was on kuelud'she they're right in

909
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:53,800
the roller coasters.

910
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: I did not.

911
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 3: Apparently he and Bronson Pinchot did not like the roller

912
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,480
coaster and they did it for two days. I'm out

913
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,559
by the way, I would have had vomitol over my

914
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,559
sweater at two Days. That was filmed at six Flags

915
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,960
Magic Mountain, which is the same amusement park that National

916
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:16,360
Lampoon's Vacation. While Okay, saw Rubinac as Lee Donowitz Brilliant,

917
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,440
who is actually Jill Silver. When he auditioned for this part,

918
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,400
he was with Tony Scott and when he read the line,

919
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,199
Tony Scott's like, Okay, you nailed it. That's exactly what

920
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,480
the way Joel is. And he's like, Joel, Joel, I

921
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,679
mean what because I thought I was reading for Lee.

922
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,079
He's like, well, you're actually playing Joel Silver, right right?

923
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:42,039
You have James Gandolfini before the Sopranos, a great role

924
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,480
and it was this role that got him that part.

925
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,920
He got this part because Tom Sizemore like gave it

926
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,440
to him. Oh, Tom Sizemore was supposed to be that guy.

927
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,800
He didn't feel super comfortable beating up Alabama, Like he

928
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,360
didn't want to be seen as a wife beater.

929
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: And so Tom Sizemore gives Gandalfini this part and takes

930
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,639
the part of the cop with Chris Pinn.

931
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: That's right, Okay, these two cops are actually pretty cool.

932
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Speaker 2: They're terrible.

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Speaker 3: Chris Pin and Tom Sizemore as like a pair though.

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Speaker 2: It could be in a buddy cop movie together by cop,

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they are a mini buddy cop movie happening in this movie.

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They absolutely are.

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Speaker 3: I saw Tom Seizeman talk about when you know, at

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the end, when the shootout scene happens, he got killed early. Yeah,

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so and they shot it. He got it like in

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the first take. Cidy had to spend four days on

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the floor with feathers in his mouth. So interesting. He

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threw for through thread.

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Speaker 2: By the way, on these two movies, in addition to Tarantino.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a natural born killers. We'll talk about him

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in just a second. Yeah, I got one more nugget

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for you. Jack Black was in True Romance as a

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usher in the Kung Fu Marathon scene. Really oh okay,

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so you remember what I mean.

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Speaker 2: We quote it at the beginning. It ain't White Boy Day,

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is it right? No, man, it ain't White Boy Day. Yeah,

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the big bodyguard. No man, it ain't White Boy Day.

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Yeah that's Marty. You recognize him.

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Speaker 3: No wipers? Is it really same guy? Oh? That's funny. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 3: By the way, James s Gandelfini in an effort to

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capture the sleaziness of his character. H stayed in like cheap,

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crappy hotels okay, and didn't change his underwear like the

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whole shoots, and like didn't shower for days, like he

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was wanting to be kind of sweaty and gross.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I always go back to when Laurence Olivier talked to

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Dustin Hoff and he's like, come on, boy, it's called

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acting exactly.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So that does it for the cast of True Romance, guys,

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be sure and come back next week. We're gonna jump

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in with the cast of Natural Born Killers. We're going

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to talk about the copycat crimes that followed Natural Born Killers.

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We'll talk about the soundtracks of these two movies. We're

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going to give you interesting tidbits, and of course we're

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going to give you final judgment on which of these

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two Tarantino first script movies.

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Speaker 3: We will see you back here next week.

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Speaker 6: Herit