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Speaker 1: This is peed Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk Pats.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe

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we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we

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explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the

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Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you

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share our commitment to making the world a kinder place

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for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power

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of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm

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your host and the executive director of the Human Animal Connection,

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Genie Joseph, and I've been so looking forward to this

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show because I'm speaking with Donna Janelle Bowman, and she's

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the author of Step Right Up, which is a book

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written for younger, younger readers, but I read it to

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my high school students in our program Canine Teach Compassion,

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because so I think this is one of the most

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important stories for any animal lover, for any horse lover.

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And I have to tell you a lot of people

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don't believe this story is true, but it is absolutely true,

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and we're going to find out that whole story.

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Speaker 3: So Donna, thank you for being with me, Thank you

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for inviting me I'm honored to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so how did this story cross your path? And

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what made you think I got to write this for

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younger people.

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Speaker 3: First, it's important to know how I grew up. I

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grew up on a ranch with horses and surrounded by

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all kinds of animals, practically lived in in a zoo,

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but without the zoo animals, just farming ranch animals. But

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I was completely in love with horses, and I showed horses,

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trained horses, so they had that background. And then, of

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course I'm a writer. So in two thousand and six,

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I stumbled across the book written for adults by nim

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I Claive about Beautiful Jim Key. So, just as a

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horse lover, I had to have that book and I

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read it and was so fascinated. I wanted to learn more.

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But I was also extremely skeptical. I didn't really believe

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all of this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I know some of my hardest horse friends

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are like, no, this is not true. They just don't

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I get it.

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Speaker 3: I totally get it. I had to find out for myself,

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when that means I had to do original research. So

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I launched into years of research to this story.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, well for our listeners who don't know the

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story of a horse named Beautiful jim Key. Let's give

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our listeners a little bit of the story.

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Speaker 3: So broadly, this is a human and animal story. You

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can't talk about Beautiful jim Key without first understanding William

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dac Key, who was born an enslaved man who was

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born around eighteen thirty three in Tennessee, and he was

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a child who had this uncanny ability with animals, and

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so as young as six years old, he had trained

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a rooster and a yellow dog to perform tricks. He

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had an innate gift with animals, and was sent to

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farms around the county to work with their very armory

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an animals, and then came to Civil War. All of

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this leads up to the man who was going to

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be absolutely instrumental in raising this horse known as Beautiful

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jim Kie. Doc was a self taught veterinarian. He was

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also fortunate to have been educated by his master's an

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uncomfortable thing to talk about, but he had had great

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honest towards the people who quote unquote owned him, and

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they apparently to him, they were probably related. They and

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because he got some freedom to travel around and work

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with other animals. He got to see the plight of animals.

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There was a tremendous amount of animal abuse. It was

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a brutal time for animals, as it was for a

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lot of humans, including African Americans. Enslaved people and even children.

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So he got a pretty open perspective about that and

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about how not to treat animals. He also taught himself

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to create medicines, including a medicine that became wildly popular

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known as Keystone liniment. After the Civil War, he became

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a very successful businessman, and that was his most successful

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business was this liniment. He used it in his animal practice.

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He was a horse doctor and during his medicine wagon

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shows he would travel around selling his liniment. He discovered

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a rundown circus. It was selling a everything they owned,

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including a gray mare that had been obviously abused, and

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he bought this Arabian mayor for forty dollars, took her

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home Nurster back to health. Loved this mayor, claimed that

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she was the smartest horse he'd ever seen, and once

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she was back to health, he'd Nurster back to health.

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He matched her with the fastest racing stag and he

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could find presumably in the country a Hambletonian trotting racer,

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and the offspring was this sickly crooked legged colt. Doc

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had no hope of this cult surviving, so he was

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he was very close to shooting the animal because he

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just didn't think you everyone to survive.

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Speaker 2: Everyone was telling him you can't, You got to kill this.

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Speaker 3: Thing exactly, but he just didn't give up. So, presumably

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because of Doc's very good care, this colt did survive,

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but at about a year old, Loretta died. Now a

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yearling doesn't need his mother anymore from milk, but a

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sickly crooked legged colt needs another animal to protect him.

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into his live in his house, and he treated this

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cult like a child, identifying objects the way we do

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with kids, and that he stayed there until basically this

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horse was so big he was busting through the door

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frames and through the floorboards, and Doc said, you got

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to get out of here. And it ends up that

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Doc slept in the stable with the horse. So this

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progressed into the horse trying to play a game of fetch,

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copying what Doc was playing with the dog, and then

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he progress even more with him answering question. One day,

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his wife walked into the stable with an apple and

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she said, hey, Jim, you want a piece of apple,

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And Jim actually nodded his head up and down. Yet yes, yes,

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Wiley Worth mentioning too. This is a fun fact. The

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name Jim Doc Naked is cult Jim after the town

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trunk who was wobbly stumbled fell down a lot, just

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like this poor colt. We named him Jim, but he

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gave him his own last name, Jim Key. So Doc

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started wondering how smart this horse really was. What could

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he really teach this horse using only kindness? That was

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the most important thing.

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Speaker 2: And we had just to underscore this was not what

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was done at the time, tell us and like, yeah,

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of course she would teach with kindness. But in those days,

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horses were just tools, you know, in many cases, I

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mean not every case, but in many cases they were

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just property. They were just tools. When they weren't useful,

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they were shot or whatever. You So the notion that

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I've seen Jingle horse was kind was literally revolutionary. And

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not everybody agree with him.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people thought he was absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what did he begin to teach him.

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Speaker 3: So at first he thought he he wondered if he

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could teach his horse to identify the letter A. So

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he made cards out of what we today would think

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of cardboards, the equivalent back in the eighteen hundreds, AAA,

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and he would just repeat it over and over AAA,

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and he covered the card with sugar, and Jim eventually

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learned to like sugar and then just made the cards

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all soggy, so Doc had to remake these cards out

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of ten. He then, once he was satisfied that Jim

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could identify the A the shape of an A, then

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he wanted to teach Jim to bring the A to

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him on command, bring me the letter A, so we

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put Jim loved apples. At first, he didn't like sugar,

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which is unusual. Most horses do like sugar. Do not

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feed your horses right, but do that. Jim had to

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learn to like sugar because apples weren't in season all

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year long. So he did teach Jim to fetch the

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piece of apple in a handkerchief. Bring me the handkerchief,

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you get the apple. So this is the beginning of

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positive reinforcement. You do this thing I'm asking for you

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figure it out, you get a reward. So Jim figured

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it out. If I bring him this the handkerchief with

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the apple in it, I get the apple. So that

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transferred to these cards. He took him six months. Doc

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said to teach him the letter A, to identify it,

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and to bring it on command. And then he progressed

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through the entire alphabet, and then onto numbers and colors

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and flags and other aspects of what we consider education.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's just extraordinary. I mean nobody was teaching the

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horse of the alphabet at this time.

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Speaker 3: This is not something horses to do out in the pasture.

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Speaker 2: That's great, and so what happened next? He learned the alphabet.

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What happened next?

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Speaker 3: So the first thing you did is Doc took Jim

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out with the medicine wagon, because remember he's selling his lineaments.

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He's a horse doctor, and it's his popular business is

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making him money. Doc had become a pretty wealthy man already,

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so Jim was just making it even easier. Jim learned

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how to play sick or laying on command, or maybe

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he whispered or cue or something. Doc would cue him

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already got act sick here in front of this audience

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with my medicine wagon, and people laughed, they bought it,

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and that's how Jim got his like stage. That was

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his stage premier. Well, Doc then had an opportunity because

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the Tennessee Centennial Exposition was coming to Nashville in eighteen

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ninety seven and Doc wanted a stage for Jim. He

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wanted to show everybody what seven years of education of

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training could accomplish using only kindness. And the directors of

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this festival, the ex Exposition basically laughed at him, said

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there's no way this is hokey. But Doc was on

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the committee for they called it the Negro Building, where

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African Americans could show off their technology, their wares, their advancements,

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and so he pushed it until he got a stage

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for Jim. And it was on that stage where one

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fateful day, President William McKinley was in the audience and

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Jim was asked to identify the President, which she did.

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He looked at President McKinley and he bowed, and then

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Doc said, go bring me the McKinley card. So Jim

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went back to his rack at the back of the

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stage where all these names and numbers and cards and

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everything was back there and he picked up the correct name.

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There is a photograph of Jim holding that McKinley card,

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and then he was suddenly on the world stage. Everybody

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knew who Jim Key was, and reporters started calling Jim

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Key beautiful Jim Key. So that was the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful. So I know he went on

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to do world World's Fairs, and I think they said

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ten million people or something saw him some number like that. Yeah,

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but he could spell certain words. And I heard that

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he was able to beat six graders in spelling bees.

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Speaker 3: Now, I do want to make a very important point. Yes,

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nobody server claimed that this horse or any horse learned

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the way we humans learn. Of course, right right, Like

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we said earlier, horses aren't out in the pasture comparing

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their crib notes or yes, yes, they're not spelling words

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or tricking each other in math problems. But you can

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absolutely train and condition an animal to identify things, and

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they'll have an association that will certainly look like it's

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exactly an education. So this is what was happening. We

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will never be able to explain everything that Jim did.

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Speaker 2: We just know he did it. We don't know the

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mechanism of communication between horse and human that doc Key

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and Jim Key shared, which I think is really, to me,

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the most important part of the story. Of course, it's

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exciting to hear a horse being taught all these different

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things using only kindness, but it's so exciting the way

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in which they were able to exchange information. And there

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was another horse called Clever Hans in Europe, and at

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the time it appeared that this horse could count and

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add and subtract and do different things, and he was

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a worldwide phenomenon, and people came and tested and it

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seemed like it was true. And then finally a group

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of scientists discovered that the horse was reading very subtle

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cues by the person. And they called it a failure,

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they called it they called it a hoax because they

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felt like they had been pulled the wall, had been

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pulled over their eyes, when in fact I thought it

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was should have been amazing that a horse could read

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these tiny little cues from a human who didn't even

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know he was doing it. I mean, these were like

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the subtlest shift of an eye or the head or

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something that the horse could understand. The human didn't realize

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he was doing this, but it set the whole field backwards.

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the Clever Hans effect. It's called the name after the

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name of that horse. But Jim Key, I think was

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very different. And one of the ways that I think

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of it as being different is that I remember one

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story that a reporter they always wanted to test him,

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and they wanted to test him without Doc keep present.

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test him. I won't be the present, but afterwards, give

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him an apple and let him know that he did good.

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could answer all of his questions whatever he asked him,

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but the reporter forgot to give him the apple afterwards,

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and so reporter left being convinced. And Doc said to

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Jim afterwards how to go, and Jim spelled out fruitless, fruitless,

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fruitless because he didn't get his apple right.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, I would have never entertained this idea

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if not for experience that I had with horses growing up,

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trained a lot of horses that I had one specific

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mare in the most formative years of my life. We

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had an absolutely uncanny connection. It was incredible. I spent

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so much time with this mayor Didi that was her nickname,

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that we could sort of read each other's minds. I

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mean not literally, but you know, we could read each

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other's subtlest body movement. And for example, would be in

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a horse show ring and I would like in showmanship

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or horsemen or halter where you're standing on the ground

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as an example, and I would think I should have

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DEDI moved that back leg like three inches, that back

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right leg.

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Speaker 2: She would do it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to ask her. She just did it

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because she's looking at my eyes. She's looking at just

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the subtlest little shift in my body that I'm not

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even aware of.

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Speaker 2: He did it.

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Speaker 3: If not for those years with DD and observing these

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minute asks that I wasn't even where I was asking,

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I would not have had such an open mind about

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beautiful Jim Key.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really encouraged for it.

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Speaker 2: I really encourage people to read the book Step Right

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another book, Beautiful Jim Key I think is the name

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by uh, what's her name, Michael ReBs. Yeah, and she's

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written the adult book with a lot of history in it.

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don't know exactly the mechanism for how information is transferred

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from one species to another. And it's not every horse

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that does this, it's not every human that does this.

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But when there is this unique relationship, there is a

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flow of information in ways that we don't completely understand.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: It certainly involves all the senses. It certainly involves site,

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it certainly involves sound, it certainly involves reading body language,

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it certainly involves reading mood. But there's more know like

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what the more is, but like you, I've had so

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many experiences with animals where this is not possibly explained

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by ordinary means that it really invites us to consider

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the possibility that communication between species is more possible than

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we know. More possible.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, And I think you're you're spought on about

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clever Hans. I think it's it's a travesty that that

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that their relationship, that the man and Clever Hans relationship

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was discounted because they identified cues. Of course there were cues,

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right because a horse is not going to think in

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the same way a human does. And it's no less remarkable.

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It is no less remarkable.

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Speaker 2: It's just that they didn't realize what the remarkableness was, right,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: And in the case of Yeah, and in the case

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of beautiful Jim Key, I think it's the important part

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of the story. Isn't how he did these things. We

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know he did it. There are hundreds of witness accounts

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that he did all these things on stage. The important

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thing is what they did for the humane movement. That

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they convinced people to be kinder to animals and to

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each other, and that itself is enough. We're all going

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to be fascinated forever about how it was accomplished, but

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the important thing is what they did for the world.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, we're going to take a short little break.

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When we come back, I want to sort of look

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at how you've been taking that forward into your world.

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You work with kids, you work with this book, and

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how other kids of our generation are now learning the

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story of Beautiful Jim Keane will be back in just

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of all that perfect.

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Speaker 1: Hey, friends. If you like what you're hearing and want

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to learn more, check out doctor Joseph's book, The Human

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Animal Connection, Deepening Relationships with Animals and Ourselves, or visit

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the website The Humananimalconnection dot org to book and all

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online consultation. Thank you for loving animals. Now back to

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the show.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk pets on petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection. I'm your host,

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Jeanie Joseph and the executive director of a nonprofit, The

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Human Animal Connection, and today we're talking about a horse

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named Beautiful Jim Key. And the book is called Step

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Right Up. A book for young readers. What's the age

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grape group that this is written for, Donna.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I like to say to this is first second

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grade through age ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: Set in grade age.

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Speaker 3: Non fiction picture books are for all ages, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I think you know it's terrible that we think picture

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books are just for kids when they's so much fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: And the illustrations in this book are absolutely beautiful, and

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we'll show a few for those of you who are

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watching us. On video, So tell us a little bit.

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I mean, one of the things that Doc Key did

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is he had children signed a pledge. I think a

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million children or something signed this pledge in late eighteen hundreds.

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Was that, Well, I forgot the year. But what was

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the year that the World's Fair and all these different

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things than the kids were signing this pledge of kindness.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I'm gonna ask me about the Uh okay, sorry,

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I'm notable.

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Speaker 2: No, that's okay.

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Speaker 3: So we had the nineteen oh four World's Fair and

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then there was there was a big fair in nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Oh six as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so those I don't remember which year the pledge started.

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That the George Angel was, who was the founder of

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the Massachusetts Society of Preventional Cruelty to Animals and the

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American Humane Education Society gave Doc and Jim Gold medals

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living examples of the power of kindness when it came

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to animals. And so with that came bands of Mercy

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all the ways, all across the United States. And then

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within those would be smaller clubs for kids. So kids

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would join and droves join these clubs where they took

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a pledge they promised to be kind and they would

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write essays about either a kindness they had witnessed or

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cruelty that they had witnessed, something they had done to

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correct or wrong. It was really beautiful to learn about.

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Speaker 2: Wow beautiful. And I know when you go out and

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work with kids with your book, you invite them to

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sign a similar pledge. Tell us some of the experiences

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you've had working with kids in this story and how

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it's inspired them.

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Speaker 3: I do. The original pledge is a little bit outdated,

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as you can imagine, and it was important to me

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that with Step right Up, we bring the pledge back

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and update it. So if you don't mind, it's a

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very quick pledge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I promised to step right up and choose kindness.

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I will respect the needs and feelings of others, including furry,

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feathered and finned friends. I will share kind words, do

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good deeds, and help those in need because kindness can

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change the world. So I wanted to again make this

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inclusive of not just animals, but each other as well,

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because we certainly need more kindness today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wonderful, wonderful, So do kids readily sign this.

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Tell us about your experiences taking pledge out.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you, kids get it right. If there are

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any humans in the world who understand kindness from cruelty,

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it's young people. I visit a lot of schools. Most

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of the time they're asking for me to talk about

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this particular book. I've written many books because of the

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kindness theme in this book. I walk into schools where

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entire hallways are just plastered with signed pledges, where these

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schools have all their entire student bodies signed the pledge,

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where the library is full of the kindness pledge. So

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it's beautiful. When I finish my school visit presentations about

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Doc and Jim, and we talk about not only the

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amazing things that Doc taught Jim and how he might

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have done that, and we talk about the difference they made,

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about how one person and one animal made this enormous

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difference in how we can each make a difference in

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our own family, in our own neighborhood and our own city.

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We can expand out, and we talk about that domino

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effect or the ripple effect. I make a difference at ripples,

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so the next person that just keeps on rippling out

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and then we can change the world that way. I

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was at a school visit an inner city school economically disadvantaged,

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and had finished my third presentation of the day there

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about step right up, and we had just taken the

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kindness pledge, and a third grader in the very back

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of the room, very meekly raised his hand and he said,

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what I want to know is if so many people

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promise to be kind when Doc and Gym were alive,

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why is nobody kind today? You could have heard a

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ken drop, Wow, silent in the entire room, Wow, this

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walled wall of kids and teachers, librarians, And in an

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INSTINT had to think about this because I know what

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he's saying, and I could see it on his face.

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Why is nobody kind today? And all I could say

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then was a lot of years have passed since Doc

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and generalize, and we've had two world wars and there's

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been a lot of it's been covered up. Their story

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has been covered up. So maybe it's time we remind

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the world, yes, that we can make a big difference

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with kindness. How many of you agree? And then every

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hand goes up, and so those like downtrodden faces suddenly

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see a little bit of the light. They get it.

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And then I've had other visits where. I mean, almost

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every single school visit, at least two to five kids

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will come up to me after the visit. Sometimes I

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have three hundred people, three hundred kids in the cafetorium

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or even more, and they'll sneak out of their groups

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and they'll come up to me and they'll whisper something

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in my ear about some abuse that they have been

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witnessed to or they have been the victim of, or

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sometimes that they helped an animal or helped a little sister.

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It is it makes my job worthwhile. Exactly why I

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do what I do. I get fan mail that is

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just sometimes heart wrenching and at other times bolstering.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that.

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Speaker 3: This story has made a difference to them because now

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they see that something that's been happening was wrong. They

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didn't know animals could think and feel, right, Yeah, and

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that's such an important message. That's why I read it

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to my high school students is to remind them, yeah

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about that you know that and how like as you said,

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one horse, one man can't solve all the problems, but

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can make a difference. And for them to think about

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if they can help that one animal that they know

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is experiencing some abuse if they can do anything, you know,

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I don't you know, I'm not saying they should enter

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in themselves, but you know, sometimes call the authorities or

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whatever could it takes to get some action taken.

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Speaker 2: It. It changes, It changes everything when one person's suffering

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is alleviated when one person, when I say person, I

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mean person animal. Were animals by one person animal animal person.

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Speaker 3: And in children's books, animals are stand ins for human yes, yes,

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even a real animal like Beautiful Jim Key. Children read

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Beautiful Jim Key and the experience the relationship between Doc

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and Jim. This is like two people, and this is

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like eight year old Johnny with eight year old you know, Alicia, whatever, Right,

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Animals are always stand ins for a human experience, So

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it's an especially important story for the young people.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, definitely. Well, it's just I'm so happy that

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you wrote this book and put it out into the world.

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How did you was the illustrator someone that you knew

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or how did you two come together?

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Speaker 3: No, most people don't realize that authors rarely ever meet

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their illustrators in traditional publishing, rarely ever. I was delighted

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when the publisher secured Daniel Minter to illustrate this book

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that he agreed to sign on to this project. All

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of his art for Step Right Up is with linoleum

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block art, so they're all carvings. The entire book is

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done in carvings.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: There's an illustrator of video on my website where he

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talks about his process and he shows him He shows

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the process of carving these images and some of his

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design decisions, for example, putting William as a child outside

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the circle of the family rug, which is a circle,

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his decision to do that, his decision to not put

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a halter or bridle on Jim the Whorehu because it

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didn't want to show this horse in bondage.

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Speaker 2: Yes, beautiful, remarkable, wonderful. It's so beautiful that a meeting

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of the minds to bring something great to the world. Well,

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how can people get in touch with you and find

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out more about what you're doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I would love that. I can be found on

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my website Donna Janellebowman dot com and I have a

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contact form there. Then we would like to reach out.

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I'm always happy to hear from readers and anybody interested

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in this book or any of my books.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, I know you've written several books. Can you

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just mention a couple that you'd like to share with

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our audience before?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: My newest book was a collaboration with Olympic gold medalist

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Billy Mills called Wings of an Eagle The Gold Medal

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Dreams of Billy Mills. Billy's the only American, actually the

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only athlete from the Western Hemisphere to ever win the

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Olympic gold medal in the ten thousand meter event, and

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he's only the second Native American in history to win

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a gold medal in any track and field event. I

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tracked that story for a very long time before I

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finally got a hold of Billy and he agreed to

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be sort of hands on with me so we can

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do his story great justice. I've also written about Abraham

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Lincoln's little known duel and the first man to heart

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rope over the Niagara Falls River in eighteen fifty nine,

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and others to come. Wonderful, Yeah, wonderful, Thank you for asking. Yeah, well, great, well,

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thank you so much for writing this wonderful book. Step

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right up, and it is how duc and Jim Kee

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talked the world about kindness, and that was such important

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in the world This was the day and age where

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horses were just dying in the streets in New York

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City and getting no water, and it really helped accelerate

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the kindness movement, the awareness that animals need to be

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treated better and that humans need to be treated better too.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for bringing this story to life.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and thank you for all you're doing to

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raise awareness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you've been listening to The Human Animal Connection.

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I'm Jeanie Joseph. We'll see you next time. Bye for now.

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