Speaker 1: I think there's scripture that should worry anybody who loves
Speaker 1: God and doesn't want to disappoint God. And I think
Speaker 1: if from time to time we're not worried by scripture,
Speaker 1: or it doesn't cause conflict in us, it doesn't cause
Speaker 1: restling match between flesh and spirit, then perhaps we're not
Speaker 1: really in the word. I want to talk about that,
Speaker 1: but I also want to honor Donald John Trump for
Speaker 1: treating black journalists as he does every other adversarial journalist.
Speaker 1: And I want to do this by way of comparison
Speaker 1: with some friends of mine here In fact, I should
Speaker 1: have them on to talk about this. But every black
Speaker 1: professional man I got to know personal training, to black
Speaker 1: personal trainers, to friends in media black people, and a
Speaker 1: black friend tech told me what their favored form of
Speaker 1: racism is and it relates to how President Trunk treated
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Speaker 1: Really excited to honor what President Trump did at the
Speaker 1: National Association of Black Journalists. And I'll tell you this
Speaker 1: favored form of racism that my friends in Seattle told
Speaker 1: me about, one by one, all separately, never in the
Speaker 1: same room. Several different instances of how this came about.
Speaker 1: One was in tech. Gentlemen I got to know in
Speaker 1: tech and black guy got to know him. I was
Speaker 1: working at Microsoft. He worked in Los Angeles and had
Speaker 1: been in the entertainment world and had made his way
Speaker 1: over to tech. Had a very good tech mind. And
Speaker 1: we were in New York City and we were at
Speaker 1: this event that Microsoft had put on and had There
Speaker 1: was this painter. It's one of those guys who he
Speaker 1: speed paints, and the trick is you don't know what
Speaker 1: he's painted until he turns it right side up and
Speaker 1: finishes it. And he was doing this to a Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone song. We had a concert there and I don't remember,
Speaker 1: it's some big bands there and we'd gone out to
Speaker 1: dinner with a bunch of advertisers. And remember this is
Speaker 1: New York City and this is liberal you know, no racism.
Speaker 1: And these are all liberals, doctrinaire democrat liberals. And we
Speaker 1: went out to dinner. Guy was the senior executive there,
Speaker 1: not me guy, and the rule of Microsoft is the
Speaker 1: senior executive pays. And he got out his card and
Speaker 1: a white woman turned to him and said, are you
Speaker 1: going to be okay with that in your card? It's
Speaker 1: a lot of money. First of all, it's a Microsoft
Speaker 1: corporate card. Secondly, it happens that guy didn't need a
Speaker 1: dime from anybody he worked because he loved it. He'd
Speaker 1: made a ton of money producing films and music and
Speaker 1: videos and owned a ton of intellectual p And he
Speaker 1: looked at her and said, I'm pretty sure if the
Speaker 1: Microsoft card doesn't handle it, my optimum will. He told
Speaker 1: me later, that's the sort of racism I can't stand.
Speaker 1: So do you think that was racism? He goes, Did
Speaker 1: she turn to you and say it okay? In Seattle,
Speaker 1: I've told the story before about my friend Terry coming
Speaker 1: into the radio station and everyone would stand up, Oh, Terry, Terry,
Speaker 1: It's always a wonderful day when you're here at him
Speaker 1: sitting across from me, going and I looked at him,
Speaker 1: I go does that ever bother you? He goes, dude,
Speaker 1: do they think I don't know they'll do that to you?
Speaker 1: Do you get that tripot when you walk in here?
Speaker 1: No one does. Only only black people. I know. Last
Speaker 1: one is probably the most pandering and cringey, as my
Speaker 1: daughter would say. Had a personal trainer named Steve, huge,
Speaker 1: unbelievably strong man. I've told you the stories about how
Speaker 1: strong this guy was. And nicest dude, but big, strong,
Speaker 1: athletic looking, sixty four year old black man. He was
Speaker 1: in a store in Liberal, the most liberal part of Seattle.
Speaker 1: He and his wife are down, they're shopping. She happens
Speaker 1: to be white. See if what happens to be black.
Speaker 1: He is a nutrition nut. So he had two separate
Speaker 1: products he was looking at and he was comparing the
Speaker 1: macros and the ingredients, and a liberal white woman and
Speaker 1: I kid you not his story, not mine, in a
Speaker 1: Hilary Clinton shirt, came up to him. She said, they
Speaker 1: can make those products really confusing. I'm a nurse. Let
Speaker 1: me know if I can help a nurse. They each
Speaker 1: said they prefer all of them, all of my black friends.
Speaker 1: And Settle said, we prefer the old fashioned KKK style racism.
Speaker 1: We would rather see a Dixie flag and a kick
Speaker 1: the Blacks Out T shirt than that form of racism.
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you why I'm talking about this in
Speaker 1: a second. I'll just show you what President Trump did,
Speaker 1: and I truly I can tell you with I'm proud
Speaker 1: of Donald John Trump and how he treated this. He
Speaker 1: confronted this, and he showed absolute respect for the black
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Speaker 1: into this tomorrow. President Trump being President Trump in the
Speaker 1: face of aggressive questioning, and President Trump acting with complete, utter,
Speaker 1: unmitigated respect for black people by not pandering.
Speaker 3: It's not true. You have told four congressmen women of
Speaker 3: color who are American citizens, to go back to where
Speaker 3: they came from. You have used words like animal and
Speaker 3: rabbit to describe black district attorneys. You've attacked black journalists,
Speaker 3: calling them a loser, saying the questions that they ask
Speaker 3: are quote stupid and racist. You've had dinner with the
Speaker 3: white supremacists at your marologue resort. So my question, sir,
Speaker 3: now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you,
Speaker 3: why should black voters trust you after you have used
Speaker 3: language like that.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I don't think i've ever been
Speaker 4: asked a question, so in such a horrible manner. First question,
Speaker 4: you don't even say, hello, how are you? Are you
Speaker 4: with ABC? Because I think they're a fake news network,
Speaker 4: a terrible net work, And I think it's disgraceful that
Speaker 4: I came here in good spirit. I love the black
Speaker 4: population of this country. I've done so much for the
Speaker 4: black population of this country, including employment, including Opportunity Zones
Speaker 4: with Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, which is one
Speaker 4: of the greatest programs ever for black workers and black entrepreneurs.
Speaker 4: I've done so much. And you know, and I say this, Historically,
Speaker 4: black colleges and universities were out of money. They were
Speaker 4: stone call broke, and I saved them and I gave
Speaker 4: them long term financing and nobody else was doing it.
Speaker 4: I think it's a very rude introduction. I don't know
Speaker 4: exactly why you would do something like that. And let
Speaker 4: me go a step further. I was invited here, and
Speaker 4: I was told my opponent, whether it was Biden or Kamala,
Speaker 4: I was told my opponent was going to be here.
Speaker 4: It turned out my opponent isn't here. You invited me
Speaker 4: under false pretense, and then you said you can't do
Speaker 4: it with zoom, Well you know where's zoom. She's going
Speaker 4: to do it with zoom, and she's not coming, And
Speaker 4: then you were half an hourl A. Just so we understand,
Speaker 4: I have too much respect for you to be late.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get their.
Speaker 4: Equipment working or something.
Speaker 1: I would think it's a very nasty question. I have
Speaker 1: answered the question.
Speaker 4: I have been the best president for the black population
Speaker 4: since Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3: President Johnson, I'm the building right back.
Speaker 4: You to start off a question and answer period, especially
Speaker 4: when you're thirty five minutes late because you couldn't get
Speaker 4: your equipment to work. In such a hostile manner, I
Speaker 4: think it's a disgrace.
Speaker 1: I really it's not that he was polite, it's that
Speaker 1: she wasn't he matched her tone. He would do this
Speaker 1: to a white journalist. If that was Mitten's romney, he
Speaker 1: would have ducked and covered. If it was Hilary Clinton,
Speaker 1: she would have pulled out her hot sauce and put
Speaker 1: on some wop, stood up and danced for the people
Speaker 1: because she's down with the struggle. That's complete respect. I'm
Speaker 1: proud of the president for doing that. We'll spend more
Speaker 1: time on it tomorrow. On the other side of the
Speaker 1: spectrum is a guy named Ed Stetzer. I don't know Ed.
Speaker 1: I've never met Ed. I don't know Ed's heart. I
Speaker 1: know that Ed has some political views, and I know
Speaker 1: he's an evangelical Christian, and I know he's got a
Speaker 1: huge amount of respect. In fact, I have listened to
Speaker 1: and quite enjoyed his program very much. This would be
Speaker 1: an area on which he and I disagree. He was
Speaker 1: talking about how to deprogram the deplorables during a book launch.
Speaker 5: Next question from Paul Washa Kakar, who's at the United
Speaker 5: States Institute of Peace. I'm interested in hearing more about
Speaker 5: Pastor Ed's work with evangelical pastors. How do you help
Speaker 5: them identify and work on de radicalization. Do you build
Speaker 5: on the internationals cbe countering violent extremism work in this area,
Speaker 5: or how does it differ in your understanding?
Speaker 6: First, we don't call it de radicalization, That's the first thing,
Speaker 6: but because nobody sees themselves as that. But I get
Speaker 6: exactly what you're saying, and I appreciate the work of deradicalization,
Speaker 6: the language I use at the beginning and the way
Speaker 6: because I've written a lot to try to persuade evangelicals
Speaker 6: on some of these issues, and I actually have. It
Speaker 6: was very easy for us to sit back and say, oh,
Speaker 6: those Quan honors, well, I actually have friends in the
Speaker 6: who are self identified Qan honors in the evangelical community.
Speaker 1: I kind of just pause this, Sorry, Nana, with all
Speaker 1: due respect, and he's earned respect. At Stetzer, I am
Speaker 1: pretty thick into conservative politics. I live in a very
Speaker 1: conservative region. I have mostly conservative friends, and I am
Speaker 1: blessed to get hundreds of emails a day. I've met
Speaker 1: one person who asked me to look into q Andon period,
Speaker 1: so I would be fascinated to learn how you ended
Speaker 1: up with a lot of friends who identifies q Andon.
Speaker 1: When I've met one person who said, would you look
Speaker 1: into this? And my response was no, because it's nothing
Speaker 1: I can determine to be true or false.
Speaker 6: Who actually text me when I'm being discussed on q
Speaker 6: andon message boards and they say they defend me on
Speaker 6: those message boards. But that's another story for another day.
Speaker 6: So for me, I try to frame in such a
Speaker 6: way that people can receive the message. And again, for us,
Speaker 6: that often comes around in terms of discipleship. I talked
Speaker 6: about this on NPR's morning edition, and the host asked me,
Speaker 6: and kind of I struggle because it's like it's insider
Speaker 6: baseball language. I said, So there are things I explained
Speaker 6: that as Christians we want to disciple in and things
Speaker 6: that as Christians we want to disciple out. So what
Speaker 6: needs to be discipled in in twenty twenty one, Well,
Speaker 6: it might be seeing yourself as a world Christian, seeing
Speaker 6: that men and women from every tongue tribe of nation
Speaker 6: are that's frequent language in the pages of the scriptures.
Speaker 6: It might be helping people to see that. And the
Speaker 6: language I often use is that we should not be
Speaker 6: among the gullible.
Speaker 1: Pause. Nothing wrong with what ed sets is saying. The
Speaker 1: Lord of the universe is the Lord of the universe.
Speaker 1: Jesus is not the Jesus of the United States. And
Speaker 1: the question was about deprogramming deplorables. I just showed Donald
Speaker 1: John Trump sit on stage and act with absolute consistency
Speaker 1: with a black journalist calling him a racist, without saying
Speaker 1: it and without pandering. I can show you Cammie Harris,
Speaker 1: who has identified as Indian her most of her life.
Speaker 1: I can show you her concept of black people as
Speaker 1: to get on stage after megan the Stallion with one
Speaker 1: of the most perverse and dishonoring of women quote songs
Speaker 1: in history. That that's blackness. Bailing out criminals who destroyed
Speaker 1: often black neighborhoods, that's blackness. So to Ed Stetzer, I
Speaker 1: would say, again, with all respect ed, there's many forms
Speaker 1: of racism, and I regard what's being inserted into the
Speaker 1: minds of leftists as a very, very poisonous form of racism,
Speaker 1: far more radical than whatever you've invented as racism from
Speaker 1: President Trump or the deplorables, which seems to me to
Speaker 1: be Paulss based. It is not racist to say we
Speaker 1: have to be able to have some control of our borders,
Speaker 1: goes to Romans thirteen. We have border laws or we don't,
Speaker 1: sojourners have to follow our laws or they don't. What
Speaker 1: does Roman thirteen say?
Speaker 6: And I actually would point out, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: I do, just so we're clear.
Speaker 1: I do believe.
Speaker 6: I've bet my whole life on the fact that there
Speaker 6: was a person who was dead on Friday and on
Speaker 6: Sunday was back from the dead, and everything I believe
Speaker 6: and is framed and shaped around that reality. But I
Speaker 6: do point out how as our Christian witness is impacted.
Speaker 6: The last slide that I didn't get to because I
Speaker 6: went too long in the first session actually talks about
Speaker 6: the danger to our Christian witness. I lead the Wheaton
Speaker 6: College Billy Graham Center, so I care deeply about our
Speaker 6: Christian witness. And I pointed out somebody who kept posting
Speaker 6: about this q Andon conspiracy and this QAnon conspiracy in
Speaker 6: this one and then it came to Easter and they said, oh,
Speaker 6: and Jesus rose from the dead.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong, nothing wrong with saying don't make the idle
Speaker 1: of politics, nothing wrong with that, But to even you
Speaker 1: phrases like deplorables, to even take a question like that
Speaker 1: and say, can I reframe that. Jesus tells us not
Speaker 1: to call people fools. We're not to make that judgment.
Speaker 1: That's God's judgment to make. And the phrase deplorables in
Speaker 1: of itself devalues some of God's beings. I think there's
Speaker 1: this temptation, and particularly it's an emotional temptation to look
Speaker 1: at President Trump and a direct way of speaking and
Speaker 1: point to that as as aggressive or racist. That black
Speaker 1: journalist who was interviewing him and forgive me for not
Speaker 1: knowing her name. She made these accusations of racism, saying
Speaker 1: you told women of color who are United States citizens
Speaker 1: to go home. Yeah, some of who moved here, who
Speaker 1: were rescued and hate this country and are doing everything
Speaker 1: policy wise to destroy this country. Those aren't question marks.
Speaker 1: Those are facts. You destroy a country by setting up
Speaker 1: neighborhoods that are of one race. That's a division tactic,
Speaker 1: and everybody knows it, everyone who's willing to admit it.
Speaker 1: There's some scripture that I think, and maybe ed set
Speaker 1: you would agree with this, that I think every Christian
Speaker 1: should be concerned by. I'm going to start with some
Speaker 1: scripture that concerns me. And if you're involved in politics
Speaker 1: or posting online or arguing with people online, let's talk
Speaker 1: with someone the other night who made the point that
Speaker 1: she got into an argument online and ended poorly. She
Speaker 1: was repenting of it.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: It's happened to all of us. I think some of
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Speaker 1: give us some relief. I really do relief from what well,
Speaker 1: relief from judging ourselves harshly because we don't get certain
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Speaker 1: bad when we don't get certain portions of scripture. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring you to this that chosen in
Speaker 1: just a second, or a clip from it just a bit.
Speaker 1: But let me start with a scripture that challenges me.
Speaker 1: It's the one we've been pinning on Cami Harris because
Speaker 1: I truly believe Proverbs chapter six, verses sixteen through nineteen.
Speaker 1: I truly believe it describes Cami Harris, and I believe
Speaker 1: it describes a lot of people in politics, but particularly
Speaker 1: Cami Harris. There are six things the Lord hates, seven
Speaker 1: that are attestable to him. Haughty eyes, which is another
Speaker 1: way of saying prideful self centered, a lying tongue, hands
Speaker 1: that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises whipid schemes,
Speaker 1: feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false
Speaker 1: witness who pours out lies, and a person who stirs
Speaker 1: up conflict in the community. My version of this that
Speaker 1: I'm looking at, that phrase, a person who steers up
Speaker 1: conflict in the community is highlighted when we are engaged
Speaker 1: in politics. It is our job to have this scripture
Speaker 1: hurt our hearts. We have to invite this pain because
Speaker 1: that pain can help us modulate how we speak. There
Speaker 1: was a time, and maybe you know this, where I
Speaker 1: was absolutely addicted to Twitter, and I loved burning people.
Speaker 1: I loved burning them down, and it was a dopamine
Speaker 1: hit and it was pleasurable. And sometimes people will still
Speaker 1: give into that. I don't argue on Twitter. In fact,
Speaker 1: I've gone down and I don't lock my Twitter down.
Speaker 1: But I've gone through everything I can to make sure
Speaker 1: I only see notifications from people I follow, because I
Speaker 1: know myself, I know how easily drawn into something. I'll
Speaker 1: give you another example. There's a way I can drive home,
Speaker 1: which is you, which is about i'd say sixty sixty
Speaker 1: five percent of the time faster. But the thirty five
Speaker 1: percent of the time I hit a train, there I
Speaker 1: become a flat out satanic lunatic because I can't stand
Speaker 1: not knowing when I'm gonna get home. I would rather
Speaker 1: have the predictable trick home, a trip home which is
Speaker 1: slower but predictable. Very rarely do I get a train
Speaker 1: than stopping at those moments because I have to just
Speaker 1: deal with Wait, you're turning left. No, no, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you're not going to try to beat the train. Do
Speaker 1: people see what's going on? Wait? You can go around
Speaker 1: that guy. There's another And I become this insane lunatic.
Speaker 1: Same thing in social media used to happen to me.
Speaker 1: You may have the same thing where you own the libs.
Speaker 1: We have a responsibility to learn how to speak into
Speaker 1: these circumstances in a way that Jesus might knowing that
Speaker 1: we don't get to go overturn the tables in the temple.
Speaker 1: He got to do that because he is and was God.
Speaker 1: That's a challenge, and it goes back to me to
Speaker 1: that faring and careness methodong. A firing, fairness and caring methodology.
Speaker 1: This is how moderates and people who are persuadable to
Speaker 1: see things. Is it caring and fair when we communicate
Speaker 1: through that lens, we win more arguments. So in the
Speaker 1: case of let's say deplorables, Hey, can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question? Since you've not met everybody who identifies as Trump,
Speaker 1: is it really fair to just say deplorables? I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some people who really care about their country and
Speaker 1: you disagree on policy. But can I ask, for the
Speaker 1: purposes of this discussion, can we not use that phrase.
Speaker 1: I don't want to deplore people. I don't want to
Speaker 1: deplore you. I'd rather not be deplored, and I'd rather
Speaker 1: find ways to care for you. We may disagree on politics,
Speaker 1: but I would genuinely like to find some ways to
Speaker 1: care for you. In fact, I'd like to be able
Speaker 1: to share some things about me that maybe you could
Speaker 1: have some caring for me, and maybe we could treat
Speaker 1: each other in a more fair way. So, if I
Speaker 1: was involved in the conversation with Ed Stetzer, wouldn't that
Speaker 1: be a wiser way to deal with it? It would
Speaker 1: be a scriptural way to deal with it, because it's
Speaker 1: not about stirring up conflict in the community. Now that's
Speaker 1: not to say that Jesus was the soft soap Jesus.
Speaker 1: This is what C. S. Lewis talked about, the soft
Speaker 1: soap Jesus, the Jesus who is everybody's buddy. He's only
Speaker 1: always cheerful and happy, and all things are good, and
Speaker 1: he knows how things are going to turn out, so
Speaker 1: he has optously, not even an optimistic point of view.
Speaker 1: He knows how things end. It's not optimism, it's knowledge.
Speaker 1: But Jesus himself said, I did not come to night
Speaker 1: but to divide. So we need to be able to divide,
Speaker 1: but do it with love. That's such a difficult thing.
Speaker 1: I've shared with you family members who have same sex
Speaker 1: attracted kids and friends of same sex attracted kids, that
Speaker 1: one's going to come for you. You are going to
Speaker 1: deal with this, And the better you get at it
Speaker 1: now from a perspective of faring and caring in fairness,
Speaker 1: the better we cannot stir up conflict in our community.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's something you deal with an advance, Maybe it's
Speaker 1: something you deal with by now saying, Hey, how would
Speaker 1: you want me to respond if one of your kids
Speaker 1: decided to go have a wedding ceremony? What would you
Speaker 1: want me to do. Maybe it's dealing with it now
Speaker 1: in advance. Maybe it's saying to them, hey, can I
Speaker 1: share with you why that would be a real challenge
Speaker 1: for me. May I share with you that I love
Speaker 1: you so much and your kids so much that I
Speaker 1: cannot pretend I love them without regard to how they
Speaker 1: decide to live this way. I love them without regard
Speaker 1: to sexual habits, like I love you without regard to
Speaker 1: your sexual habits, and I can't endorse them if they're
Speaker 1: non biblical. Is it fair for me to tell you
Speaker 1: that in advance? Is there some way we could deal
Speaker 1: with this in advance, because we're all going to be
Speaker 1: called at some point. This is going to come for
Speaker 1: all of us. So let's be scripture about it. Let's
Speaker 1: not stir up conflict in the community. Let's not stir
Speaker 1: up conflict in families. Let's deal with it ahead of time.
Speaker 1: Scripture can be super challenging, and there is a fact
Speaker 1: of the Bible that I think proves this point that
Speaker 1: even really really brilliant learners or knowers of the law
Speaker 1: are very, very challenged by some of the things Jesus said.
Speaker 1: I'll show you this in a second Our bodies are
Speaker 1: designed to need God. Our bodies, our minds, our souls
Speaker 1: are designed to need God, to need that connection with
Speaker 1: the God. I don't know about you, but sometimes I
Speaker 1: have woken from sleep and felt utterly connected to God.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'll tell you a story about that. Sometime
Speaker 1: waking and feeling absolutely at rest. This is after I
Speaker 1: decided to quit the radio show and on short notice,
Speaker 1: the Seattle radio show, and I woke with complete rest
Speaker 1: in the hand of the Father. This is a scene
Speaker 1: from The Chosen. It's one of two we're going to
Speaker 1: play today. We'll get back to some scriptures I think
Speaker 1: should challenge all Christians. This is a meeting between Nicodemus,
Speaker 1: who was a big time teacher of the law. He
Speaker 1: was well respected in his community, thought of as a
Speaker 1: big time academic, a teacher of teachers. He sought out
Speaker 1: Jesus for a private meeting because Nicodemus was afraid to
Speaker 1: be seen with him in public. In the scene, Nicodemus
Speaker 1: properly refers to Jesus's rabbi. He's an older man talking
Speaker 1: to a younger man, and the older man is confused.
Speaker 7: The eastern slums, many wandering preachers have succeeded in gathering crowds,
Speaker 7: but their rhetoric and fiery tone.
Speaker 8: I've heard a few of them over the years myself,
Speaker 8: so you know the type.
Speaker 7: But I have never heard anyone tell the paralytic to
Speaker 7: get up and walk, much less it actually happened. So
Speaker 7: what is your conclusion? I believe you are not acting alone.
Speaker 7: No one can do these signs you do without having
Speaker 7: God in him, only someone who has come from God.
Speaker 8: And how is that belief going over in the synagogue?
Speaker 8: Which is why we are here at this hour?
Speaker 7: What else? What have you come here to show us?
Speaker 7: A kingdom that is what our rulers are worried about.
Speaker 8: No, not that kind? Then, what a sort of kingdom
Speaker 8: that a person cannot see unless he is born again?
Speaker 7: Born again? Yes, you mean a new creature or conversion
Speaker 7: from Gentile to Jewish. No, that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 7: And what is born again? I hope you don't mean
Speaker 7: return to the womb, because that would be a problem
Speaker 7: for me. My mother and she rest in peace, is dead.
Speaker 8: Truly, I say to you, unless one is born of
Speaker 8: water and the spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 8: That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and
Speaker 8: that which is born of the spirit, his spirit, that
Speaker 8: part of you, that is what must be reborn to
Speaker 8: a new life.
Speaker 1: How can these things be?
Speaker 8: Ah, My teacher is Rayel, and yet you do not
Speaker 8: understand things.
Speaker 1: I love the scene. I love the acting, and I
Speaker 1: know there's some controversy about the chosen, and I understand
Speaker 1: it's not scripture. That's a very scriptural scene done with
Speaker 1: great respect. Sond dem is his teacher of the law.
Speaker 1: We've heard born again so often we think we know
Speaker 1: what it means. He doesn't, and he's honest, will continue
Speaker 1: to get into some of the chosen. Just one more
Speaker 1: clip on this, but I'm going to go to Matthew
Speaker 1: chapter seven, verses twenty one through twenty three. This one
Speaker 1: should freak Christians out. Not everyone who says to me,
Speaker 1: Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but the one
Speaker 1: who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven.
Speaker 1: On that day, many will say to me, Lord Lord,
Speaker 1: did we not prophesy in your name and cast out
Speaker 1: demons your name? And do many mighty works in your name?
Speaker 1: And then I will declare to them, I never knew you.
Speaker 1: Depart from me. You workers of wawlessness. I never knew you.
Speaker 1: In that scene, Nicodemus sits across from God Almighty in
Speaker 1: human form, part of the Holy Trinity, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to get to know him. And in Nicodemus's hearts, Nicodemus knows.
Speaker 1: He said, you're from God. But Nicodemus was challenged with
Speaker 1: departing the world, and we read into this. It's not
Speaker 1: said this way, but we read into it departing his
Speaker 1: and imagine you'd be leaving your whole life behind. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: Nicodemus does come around and arrange for a proper barrower
Speaker 1: for the Lord Jesus, and tradition tells us that he converted.
Speaker 1: That's what tradition would tell us. That's not biblical, that phrase,
Speaker 1: I never knew you? What does that mean. There's plenty
Speaker 1: of people you can be around and not know. You
Speaker 1: can chitchat, you can make small talk, but you don't
Speaker 1: know them. You begin to know people when you've had
Speaker 1: a conflict, when you have worked together, when you have
Speaker 1: solved the problem together, when you've seen them through seasons
Speaker 1: of plenty and little, when you've seen them in times
Speaker 1: of great peace and conflict, when you have talked with
Speaker 1: them of important things, and when you feel comfortable sharing
Speaker 1: with them, and when you really know a person, you
Speaker 1: know their voice or even their footsteps. I've made this
Speaker 1: comparison before at home. I can tell who's walking within
Speaker 1: three footsteps? Is it my wife? Is my daughter? In fact,
Speaker 1: through repetition, I can actually tell which cat is walking.
Speaker 1: Is it the white cat or the orange cat? I
Speaker 1: can tell by the way they walk. We learn to
Speaker 1: know the Father's voice how by being in the word
Speaker 1: and then applying it to our daily life, and by arguing.
Speaker 1: David's in the Psalms. This part of that is his
Speaker 1: prayer journal. Sometimes in it he's expressing frustration with God
Speaker 1: and listening for the answer. God's voice may not be
Speaker 1: audible to you. In fact, someone wrote me an email
Speaker 1: and respond to you next week and wait, can you
Speaker 1: teach me how to hear God's voice? No, I can't,
Speaker 1: because you're going to have it in a unique way
Speaker 1: that I do. But I can hear you. I can
Speaker 1: tell you how to recognize his word. Knowing the Lord
Speaker 1: is inviting him in. Knowing the Lord is even asking
Speaker 1: maybe for things that you know you're not going to get.
Speaker 1: That God cannot bless them, and it's asking it knowing. Hey,
Speaker 1: I know can't bless this, but I'm gonna ask anyway.
Speaker 1: We do that with people, I'm gonna ask you a
Speaker 1: big favorite. Oh gosh, you know I could do that.
Speaker 1: I really can't. We do it with bosses. Hey, can
Speaker 1: I have a month's paycheck in advance? I reach? Gosh, No,
Speaker 1: I can't, But I can give you like a week
Speaker 1: in advance. Getting to know God so that we never
Speaker 1: face that day of I never knew you means that
Speaker 1: we have interactions with God outside of just getting down
Speaker 1: on our knees and praying. How we interact with this people.
Speaker 1: We allow ourselves to be discipled by people who are
Speaker 1: more spiritually mature than us. We disciple people who are
Speaker 1: less mature than us. In the faith, we spend time
Speaker 1: with the Body. If you're not spending time with the
Speaker 1: body of Christ, how do you know the Lord? If
Speaker 1: you have rendered yourself separate from the Body of Christ,
Speaker 1: how do you know the Lord? There's been many many
Speaker 1: people have said to me, I don't need church, right,
Speaker 1: it's just me and the Bible. In Jesus, is that
Speaker 1: what Jesus said, did Jesus say people don't need a church.
Speaker 1: God never does anything unintentionally. When the Lord Jesus set
Speaker 1: up a church, he intended for us to be part
Speaker 1: of it as a way of meeting the body together.
Speaker 1: That scripture should challenge people, do you know the Lord?
Speaker 1: Do I? Matthew Chapter thirteen, verses thirty through thirty two.
Speaker 1: Whoever is not with me is against me. And whoever
Speaker 1: does not gather with me scatters. Whoever does not gather
Speaker 1: with me scatters. Therefore, I tell you every sin and
Speaker 1: blasphemacy with blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy
Speaker 1: against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a
Speaker 1: word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but
Speaker 1: whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven,
Speaker 1: either in this age or in the age to come.
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you that I understand what that means.
Speaker 1: Do you? I guess to blasphem the Holy Spirit is
Speaker 1: to have a Holy Spirit to tell you show you
Speaker 1: you are not to do this, and you to say
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care what you say. Holy spirits,
Speaker 1: I don't want you. You're an evil spirit. Would that
Speaker 1: be it? It should concern us when there are statements
Speaker 1: like that that we don't understand. Next time I have
Speaker 1: my pastor and friend Jim up and on, I'll ask
Speaker 1: him about this and if you know the answer, share
Speaker 1: it with me. That one should concern us because it's
Speaker 1: an unforgivable sin. When I was at the youth camp
Speaker 1: this past this past month or no, was got like
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, this came up and one of the
Speaker 1: colders said, no, there's no unforgivable sins. Say no, it's
Speaker 1: in scripture Matthew thirteen thirty through thirty two. The blasphemen
Speaker 1: of ce Blasphemy are the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit. That should concern us. It concerns me because
Speaker 1: I don't think I understand it well. And the chosen
Speaker 1: Nicodemus tried to get more of an understanding of what
Speaker 1: Jesus meant by being born again, and it went.
Speaker 7: Like this, I'm sorry I could disappoint.
Speaker 8: And I did not come to deliver the people from
Speaker 8: Rome than from wart from sin, from spiritual death. God
Speaker 8: loves the world in this way that he gave his
Speaker 8: only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish,
Speaker 8: but have eternal life.
Speaker 7: So this has nothing to do with wrong. It all
Speaker 7: about sin.
Speaker 8: God did not send his son into the world to
Speaker 8: condemn it Nicotimus. He sent him to save it through him.
Speaker 8: It's as simple as Moses's serpent on the pole. Whoever
Speaker 8: believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does
Speaker 8: not believe stands condemned.
Speaker 1: Already in the Old Testaments, Moses was told to create
Speaker 1: a serpent on a pole. The people them being snake bits,
Speaker 1: and it was their accountability for turning from God. And
Speaker 1: Moses was told to make this and have the people
Speaker 1: look upon it. Why are we looking at a serpent
Speaker 1: because I told you to, because the very thing that's
Speaker 1: been striking you dead, I'm going to have you look
Speaker 1: upon it, because it's an act of faith, because God
Speaker 1: said to. When the Lord Jesus was raised upon the cross,
Speaker 1: it was a sign of that him, not the serpent,
Speaker 1: of course, him, the savior of mankind. People looked upon
Speaker 1: him and believed. They chose to believe, looking upon the servant,
Speaker 1: that God's going to do what he says he's going
Speaker 1: to do. This is a challenging, challenging thought and was
Speaker 1: very challenging for Nicodemus, who did not. He had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a disciple, a man of God, clearly
Speaker 1: clearly seeking God, had an opportunity to be with him,
Speaker 1: but couldn't or wouldn't because he couldn't give something up.
Speaker 1: Two of the hardest pieces of scripture. One, particularly for conservatives.
Speaker 1: Talk about next. Yeah, it's Romans thirteen. It is difficult
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Speaker 1: When I've talked to you about my friend and his
Speaker 1: bear sausage rotting in his car and his wife's car
Speaker 1: with a catpuke in it, and I've talked to you
Speaker 1: about my friend there's a taxi Germy business. Did I
Speaker 1: mention that a friend of mine's a taxi Germany business.
Speaker 1: He sent me a note and said, hey, we do
Speaker 1: do this. We put this in our workplace because we
Speaker 1: don't want anyone to smell any of the chemicals or
Speaker 1: any of the things that we use. Anything that's aging. That's
Speaker 1: how we use it. And if you're at a home
Speaker 1: where you have cats and dogs or this and this
Speaker 1: is kind of the uncomfortable one and truly it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I got a note from a woman who's a home
Speaker 1: healthcare nurse and she's doing this right now for loved ones,
Speaker 1: and she mentioned there actually is a smell of old
Speaker 1: people smell people laying in bed. He goes, I don't
Speaker 1: want that to be the case when our grandkids come
Speaker 1: over and the family comes over. So I bought this
Speaker 1: to put in the room with my great aunt. And
Speaker 1: that helps clear the air. And it doesn't do it loud.
Speaker 1: That lady doesn't want to hear a loud air filter.
Speaker 1: She's in bed, it's in the highlight, the nighttime of
Speaker 1: her life, the twilight of her life. She doesn't want
Speaker 1: a big air filter buzzing away. Air filters are expensive.
Speaker 1: You have to replace the filters a couple unter bucks
Speaker 1: every year. This is an air purifier Auxually. Two operate
Speaker 1: silently in the background, producing ozone. That ozone. The three
Speaker 1: molecules bond to the molecules that produce the bad smell,
Speaker 1: and they toss them. And in case you haven't noticed,
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Speaker 1: buy one, get one. Romans thirteen is the most challenging
Speaker 1: of the scriptures for conservatives. Submission to governing authorities. Let
Speaker 1: everyone be subject to governing authorities. For there's no authority
Speaker 1: except that which God has established. The authorities that exist
Speaker 1: have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the
Speaker 1: authorities rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who
Speaker 1: do so, will bring judgment upon themselves. For rulers hold
Speaker 1: no terror or for those who do right, but for
Speaker 1: those who do wrong. Do you want to be free
Speaker 1: from fear, from the fear from the word is authority,
Speaker 1: then do what is right and you will be commended,
Speaker 1: for the one in authority is in God's servant for
Speaker 1: your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for
Speaker 1: rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They
Speaker 1: are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment to
Speaker 1: the wrong doer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to
Speaker 1: the authorities, not only because of possible punishment, but also
Speaker 1: as a matter of conscience. This is also why you
Speaker 1: pay taxes. For The authorities are God's servants who give
Speaker 1: their full time governing. Give to everyone what you owe them.
Speaker 1: If you owe taxes, pay taxes. If revenue, then revenue,
Speaker 1: if respect and respect, if honor, then honor. Mostly we
Speaker 1: do this. You mostly follow the law. I bet you
Speaker 1: aren't outrunning stop signs. I bet you aren't out going
Speaker 1: thirty miles an hour with the speed limit a regular basis.
Speaker 1: I bet you do pay your taxes. I bet you
Speaker 1: don't steal. I bet you follow the authorities for the
Speaker 1: most part. Here's where the conflict's coming from, I think
Speaker 1: is our authorities have become ungodly. God sometimes lets un
Speaker 1: goodly rulers stay in place like the figurehead, like God
Speaker 1: forbid Caammie Harris. He does that for his own ends,
Speaker 1: which are always for our own good. And we have
Speaker 1: an example here. The again, back to knowing the Lord.
Speaker 1: There is an accept to this. It's not in the text.
Speaker 1: It's in the behaviors of Peter in the early and
Speaker 1: the apostles. They were told, you will not preach the
Speaker 1: word of Jesus, you will not practice your faith, And
Speaker 1: they said, we will not stop. So the point of
Speaker 1: being crucified, beaten, boiled in oil, having been torn apart, stabbed, stoned,
Speaker 1: we will not stop when it comes to violating the
Speaker 1: word of God that goes against the ultimate authority. When
Speaker 1: we're told to lie, Hey, that man is a woman,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. When we're told to
Speaker 1: hate someone because of their race, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that. We're to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Speaker 1: When we're told to steal reparations, taking money from people
Speaker 1: who never held slaves to give to people who weren't
Speaker 1: ever slaves, that's theft. We can fight against that. We
Speaker 1: can argue against that, because it's ungodly to cause us
Speaker 1: to steal or to be stolen from.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, scripture says, when someone comes to take your cloak,
Speaker 1: offer them as well your shirt. It's a difficult thing.
Speaker 1: It should be difficult. But if it's not difficult, it
Speaker 1: might mean you are not in the word. If it's
Speaker 1: not difficult to follow a perfect God as an imperfect
Speaker 1: human being you're probably not trying to follow the word.
Speaker 1: You ever had to work out with someone who is
Speaker 1: flawless at something, it's very very frustrating. You can stay
Speaker 1: with them for a little while, but after a while
Speaker 1: they're just going to overtake you. I've made the mistake
Speaker 1: a few times being in a workout around people who
Speaker 1: are great swimmers, and I don't swim. I plow through water.
Speaker 1: And the more fat I've lost, the more that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't float. It's very very difficult, and it's super
Speaker 1: super hard, and it's beautiful to watch a real swimmer
Speaker 1: who actually floats upon the water and propels themselves through
Speaker 1: the water just like they're floating. As I have said,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to match that perfection, and I probably
Speaker 1: will never get there. We'll never get to the perfection
Speaker 1: of God. But if that doesn't cause a conflict in
Speaker 1: you as you try to live to the world, then
Speaker 1: maybe you're not really seeking perfection. Maybe I'm not. When
Speaker 1: I say you, I mean us, by the way. But
Speaker 1: Romans thirteen doesn't end there. That's Romans thirteen one through seven,
Speaker 1: Romans thirteen eight through ten. Love fulfills the law. Let
Speaker 1: no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love
Speaker 1: one another. For whosoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
Speaker 1: The commandments you should not commit adultery, you should not murder,
Speaker 1: you should not steal, you should not come it, and
Speaker 1: whatever other command there may be are summed up in
Speaker 1: this one command. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does
Speaker 1: no harm to a neighbor. Therefore, love is the fulfillment
Speaker 1: of the law. If we take this right back up
Speaker 1: to the top, we take it right back up to
Speaker 1: President Trump. We take it to a man who has
Speaker 1: either enough love for himself, and let's admit President Trump
Speaker 1: loves himself of a plenty. If he were a man
Speaker 1: driven by racial animis and hatred, he would have treated
Speaker 1: that black journalists in a completely different way. I think
Speaker 1: she was baiting him. I think she hates him. I
Speaker 1: think that was clear. I think she wanted him to
Speaker 1: react really, really harshly. Instead, he was calm and measured,
Speaker 1: the way he is with other adversarial journalists. It was
Speaker 1: a masterclass and it was respectful. Just because we love
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we agree, And just because we agree with
Speaker 1: God's word doesn't mean we're living it out. If there's
Speaker 1: not a conflict from time to time in your heart
Speaker 1: in relation to your behavior and scripture, then maybe you're
Speaker 1: not seriously in the word. A wrestling match with God
Speaker 1: can be a blessing because it can show you are
Speaker 1: maturing spiritually. And the Bible is full of moments or
Speaker 1: people have had to take a step back and even
Speaker 1: the great of the Bible and say, my gosh, what
Speaker 1: have I done? God? Thank you for making your word
Speaker 1: a tool always good for rebuke and teaching and instruction.
Speaker 1: Thank you for providing us a model of perfection we
Speaker 1: can never reach, but we can pursue. This is a
Speaker 1: Todd Hermannshaw. Please go, be well, be strong, be kind,
Speaker 1: and please make every effort to walk in the light
Speaker 1: of Christ.