WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.080 You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Jim, Welcome 2 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:08.000 to the Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:12.880 Hello. Have a very hard question that I'm having a 4 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.879 hard time getting answer out of some of my Christian brothers. 5 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:20.399 I got out of public school teaching because of the 6 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:25.160 hypocrisy and the troubles within the public school. And I 7 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.600 know that's probably selfish, but I had seventeen years i'd 8 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:30.920 have enough of the craziness. But now I'm start of 9 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:34.679 three landscape business in South Texas. I've discovered you cannot 10 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:40.679 run on these businesses without using cheap labor. And my 11 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:47.880 question is someone who's redeemed, saved, born again, the question 12 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:51.280 would be why do people use their legal labor. I 13 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.560 think it's because it's cheaper, sure, and would someone who 14 00:00:55.560 --> 00:01:01.079 has saved use it for that reason? And our church 15 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:05.560 was built partially by illegal labor, and I know it's 16 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:09.120 because we could get it done cheaper. So that's the question, 17 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.640 is that right? I understand taking care of my brothers. 18 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:14.640 If I was from Mexico, I'd bring my family over 19 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:16.760 here to you, no problem. I understand that. 20 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:17.400 Sure. 21 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:20.400 The American citizens that are now I understand why you 22 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:22.840 left slavery in the Bible because it makes more sense 23 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:23.079 to me. 24 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:29.799 Now, there are major problems with using illegal labor knowingly. 25 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.920 Now in the state of affairs in the United States currently, 26 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:40.719 it can be very difficult to every single time try 27 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:43.920 to vet a company in your hopes or that they're 28 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:46.920 vetting them and so on. But knowingly, So let's go 29 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:52.799 with the knowingly part. Knowingly using illegal labor is wrong 30 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:57.120 for a Christian. Absolutely, Scripturally you deal with the laws 31 00:01:57.120 --> 00:01:59.280 of man. It says that you're to follow the laws 32 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.920 of man. And if the law says that they are 33 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.560 in a state of legality, and that's not a pejorative, 34 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.479 that is the actual legal term is that they are 35 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:13.599 legal aliens. If they are legal aliens not here properly 36 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:17.879 with the proper paperwork and all of that, then you 37 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.000 are are trying to buck the system, and in doing that, 38 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.879 you're breaking the law. And if you're breaking the law, 39 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:32.759 that's ungodly. For one. For two, the process of using 40 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.919 illegal labors is taking advantage of their situation, and it's 41 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.680 not about them learning. Like let's say a younger person 42 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.879 or someone new to a company, they're in the process 43 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.919 of learning, so you may give them less money as 44 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.919 they climb up the ladder. But this is different. Oftentimes 45 00:02:51.039 --> 00:03:01.000 it's seen as an opportunity to exploit these workers because 46 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:03.159 they're i llegal and they can't tell or they can't 47 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:08.319 defend themselves, which is equally as ugly. So both those 48 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:12.919 things would be a problem scripturally. And if your church 49 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.560 was using labor that they knew was not in the 50 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:21.400 United States legally, shame on them. That doesn't bring glory 51 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.919 to God. So there's going to be times where you 52 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.520 can't know. There's been times where I've seen people that 53 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:33.319 have met with you a company, have seen all their 54 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:37.199 paperwork and made agreements, and then when the work starts, 55 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:41.719 it seems that there's a whole new set of people 56 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.960 that are doing the work. It gets very difficult to 57 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.840 start trying to vet all of those things specifically, but 58 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:49.719 it can be done to a certain degree, and you 59 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.680 should do it within the best of your ability to 60 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.639 make sure it's on the up and up, because all 61 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:59.240 that happens is you've got these quixotes that are bringing 62 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.520 people to across the border, that are using them for 63 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.560 slave labor. You've got them gouging them for money, You've 64 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.360 got them turning some of the people into prostitutes. You've 65 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.560 got ugly things going on, because now the people have 66 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.240 become a commodity, and coming to the United States has 67 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:21.040 become a commodity, and it creates a bunch of ugliness. 68 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.439 So that supply and demand is part of the problem 69 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.240 and becomes ugliness. And at the core of it, human 70 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:34.800 beings are treated like cattle. And so that has to 71 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:39.959 be above all, above border issues, above any of those 72 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.399 things and here legally illegally, and all those arguments going on. 73 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:50.959 Above all humanity is involved. Human beings are involved and 74 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:56.360 are being not seen as human beings. They're being seen 75 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:59.439 as day laborers. And that's a problem as well, so 76 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.839 on both. Just because somebody is doing something that is 77 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.480 illegal on the books coming to the country of the 78 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:11.120 United States doesn't mean that somebody who is a citizen 79 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:20.160 of the United States is right for exploiting that. I 80 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:24.759 don't think that that would be I don't think that 81 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.279 that would be a healthy way for a Christian to 82 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.279 express their faith. I know it's very difficult out there, 83 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:35.560 and I know that a lot of general contractors and 84 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:41.079 contractors of every ilk I have issues with this, and 85 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:47.240 it becomes a problem. But if you want something done right, 86 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.920 and you want a process to be a righteous process, 87 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.639 then you've got to partake in it as well. You know, 88 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.399 you don't every time somebody speeds past you on the 89 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.319 freeways and you look at them and go, oh, what 90 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:04.199 a jerk. Yet when you speed, oh, it's because while 91 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.279 I really need to get somewhere and I was running 92 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.800 a little late, and it's very important, And there's all 93 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.439 kinds of excuses and reasons. You can't look at life 94 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:14.399 that way. You can't look at the world that it's 95 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.240 you know, everything you do is okay, but it's not 96 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.160 okay when other people do it, and there's within reason. 97 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.839 You know there's going to be times or opportunities where 98 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:32.240 you don't know and it's inappropriate to ask, you know, 99 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:38.000 a neighbor or something like that. You might feel inappropriate, 100 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.000 but if there's a way, an honest way to check, 101 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.160 you should, just like you would the license number of 102 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.480 somebody of a contractor who says they're going to be 103 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.519 working on something, you want to know. You want to 104 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.759 make sure that they're licensed. You would no more walk 105 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:56.120 into a situation with a company and pretend like you 106 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.079 had a license, because it's too expensive to take the 107 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.560 test or it's too expensive to get licensed every year 108 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:07.519 or every two years, you know, and times are tough 109 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.879 right now and I can't renew that or whatever it 110 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.120 might be. I don't think that that's a legitimate reason 111 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.160 for a Christian to do anything. And abiding by the 112 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.279 law is important for the believer. People are watching you 113 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:26.959 if you claim to be Christian, people are watching you differently. Now. 114 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.439 Some people may be obnoxious about it, and they may 115 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:32.600 try and nitpick you. And if that's the case, you 116 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.199 know what, move on, don't bother listening to them. But 117 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:41.720 within those reasons and your ability to continue to hone 118 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:43.879 who you are. You know, Christians often say I'm a 119 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.560 work in progress. Of course you are. But through that 120 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.439 process you should be doing things that benefit you and 121 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.480 everyone else and that are productive and that are honest. 122 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:56.199 You know. 123 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.800 This lies back to many different scriptures, including Proverbs, where 124 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:04.759 it says that God hates a false weight, and that 125 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:07.920 dealt with the merchants, the merchants that would load rocks 126 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:10.839 in the scales or modify the scale so that you 127 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.800 were you thought you were getting more, therefore you paid more, 128 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.319 but they weren't. How is that any different? Because very 129 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.800 rarely does that get passed passed along to the client. 130 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:26.480 And so you got to keep those things in mind. 131 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.000 How you're making the money and at what cost. You 132 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.440 don't want to do it, participate in anything illegal, because 133 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.840 then it's for not doesn't glorify God. So your only 134 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:42.960 reward is that money at the end of the day. Jake, 135 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:44.480 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 136 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.480 I have a two part questions for you here, sort 137 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.399 of a response to Tom Okay who. 138 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:57.080 Had called earlier in regards to UH forfeiting his pastoral 139 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:58.799 stance by having an affair. 140 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:07.320 Okay, what qualifies a person to be a pastor and 141 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.840 how does one know when they are called? 142 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.200 Well, I think you have, you know, an urgency in 143 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.960 your heart and in your spirit to do the things 144 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.360 of God first and foremost. They say that that man 145 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:25.519 is ordained by God, and that's recognized by man. So 146 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:29.120 it's not the other way around where people feel like, well, 147 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.639 like a church has to say, Okay, you're led to 148 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:36.799 do this, not the truth. If you feel moved to 149 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:41.159 to preach or to teach in that context, the first 150 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.840 you'd imagine, the first start would be of that particular 151 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:49.919 path would be to study to go to school, to 152 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.799 you know, audit classes, do it on your own, whatever 153 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:56.840 it is, but to study and to show yourself approved 154 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.519 in the knowledge first. The same way if you said, 155 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.559 you know what, I really want to be a carpenter, well, 156 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.840 first learn how to be a carpenter and study that. 157 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.960 The reason I called to get your opinion on it 158 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:20.960 is because I'm I'm very very conflicted about this. So well, 159 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.039 how to put it. Let's see, I grew up in 160 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:34.279 church in a fundamental you know, literal interpretation, not legalistic, 161 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:38.519 but fundamentalist church, and so I believe the Bible as 162 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:43.120 it is written, and I also believe that being behind 163 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.879 the pulpit is Yes, it is a high calling, and 164 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.360 it's an honor and a privilege and also carrious with 165 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.519 it a great responsibility. As you were saying, you have 166 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:55.879 to be beyond reproach. 167 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:57.600 Absolutely, So what's your concern. 168 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.279 I am not beyond reproach. I mean, you know, I'm not. 169 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:04.000 I'm married, you know, But. 170 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:09.240 As far as have you had an affair? Yeah, okay, 171 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.440 well it's not it's they're specifics that it's talking about 172 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.279 in that it's not just about it to be a 173 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:21.440 beyond reproach doesn't mean stop being a human being being 174 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:25.240 something superhuman. That wasn't my point with Tom either. My 175 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.000 point was that Tom specifically, well, he was a pastor, 176 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.279 had an affair on his wife, and you don't get 177 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.440 to be a pastor anymore. But if you are saying 178 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:36.879 that there are things that you need to work out 179 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.919 in your life, will work them out, you know, make them, 180 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:44.960 work through them, and and make yourself a whole as 181 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.240 you stand before God. But it doesn't mean that everything 182 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:50.000 you preach you're going to be excellent at. You're just 183 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.720 you're not. You're dealing with the perfection in the Word 184 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:57.000 of God. There was a specific situation though, about being 185 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:02.519 the husband of one one wife and above reproach means 186 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:08.840 within reason, an understandable reason, uh, in your life. And 187 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.559 if you can't do that, then then no, it's probably 188 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:20.919 not the best thing for you. Being called to ministry. 189 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.399 There's a lot of people that are called the ministry 190 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.600 and you hear all kinds of different stories. Oh, I 191 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:27.879 had this this moment and it's like, well, how do 192 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.240 you how I read these signs that in my life? 193 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.240 What do they mean? Where does God want me? What 194 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:38.840 would he have me do? Well? Scripture is very specific 195 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:45.679 about being called to that particular part as overseer. It says, 196 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.879 an overseer then must be above reproach, the husband of 197 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.879 one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not 198 00:12:53.919 --> 00:13:00.399 addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, uncontentious, for from 199 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.519 the love of money. He must be one who manages 200 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:07.840 his own household well, keeping his children under control with 201 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:15.879 all dignity. But all of these things point to part 202 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:19.679 of that calling. And I know sometimes there's a certain 203 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.600 glittery appeal to being in these positions of power. And 204 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:28.200 sometimes people go, gosh, I want to be this, or 205 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:29.519 I want to be an actor, I want to be 206 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:31.519 a writer, I want to be this, whatever it might be. 207 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:37.240 Sometimes if there's a position of authority, it becomes it has, 208 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.960 you know, a sex appeal to it, where where you're 209 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.519 engaged by it just because of the position, and you 210 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:44.919 have to kind of check that and vet that and 211 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.399 make sure that that's not part of the equation. Well, 212 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.840 I speak well, and I talk very good, and I 213 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.840 do this, and I do all these things, and that 214 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.639 may not matter to God. There's been times where there 215 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:01.799 were people that did not speak well in scripture, and 216 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.559 you know, Moses kept trying to push that off and say, uh, 217 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.559 you know what, you may be my brother because I 218 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:11.480 don't speak so good and really don't have a way 219 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.960 with people. And it's like no, I say you. So, 220 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.919 it's not about that, not just about those things. It's 221 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.759 about finding something that you're so compelled to do that 222 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:23.039 it presses you to want to be better as a 223 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:26.440 human being, and that that plays a part it. They're 224 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.759 just you meet people that just are different, They just 225 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.519 don't have those desires and check themselves a little differently 226 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.879 than you do, and them being in a place of 227 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.360 leadership makes the most sense. You don't want to put 228 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.559 yourself in a position that you can't handle because it 229 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.200 will end up swallowing you and taking down the faith 230 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:53.000 with it, and that's not what I want. Gracie. Welcome 231 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:53.919 to the Jesus Christ Show. 232 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:56.679 Yes, how you doing good? 233 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:57.720 How can I help you? Gracy? 234 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:04.519 Well, I wanted to ask question. Its something about marriaging. Okay, 235 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:07.679 because I have a stepfather that sixty five years old. 236 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.480 Okay, turned down your radio in the back there, Racy, 237 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.039 will you turned down the radio on the back there, 238 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.679 Dear Okay. I'm sure you've never heard anybody on the 239 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:18.960 radio tell you that before, but I appreciate it now, 240 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:20.519 thank you. Okay. 241 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:24.159 Well, he's sixty five, I'm fifty three. 242 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:24.720 Okay. 243 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.840 Back in the eighties, by seventy nine till ninety nine, 244 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:37.799 he was with my mother and he wasn't married to 245 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:39.919 her or anything, but he was living with her. He 246 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.000 took care of her. They lived together for twenty five years, 247 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:48.399 I guess, and she passed away. So I haven't seen 248 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.720 him for about five or six years until he decided 249 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.039 to come back. He was living with my brother before. 250 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.759 But now he's telling me that he's interested in me, 251 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:00.879 he wants to make a. 252 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:01.320 Life with me. 253 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.120 But I don't think it's I don't feel comfortable. She 254 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.240 is my mother, she was my best friend, she's my love. 255 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:07.919 She was everything to me. You know. 256 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:10.960 That's that's it. You don't feel comfortable with that, That's 257 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.799 that's the biggest response you have to that. 258 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.240 Yes, And I don't feel like it's right because I'm 259 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:20.240 a Catholic. Well, I'm a spiritual Catholic, and I believe 260 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.559 that if her spirit is floating around and she's with seven, 261 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.279 she watches everything and everything that we do is say, 262 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:28.279 you know, I just. 263 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:31.639 Don't feel like what is what does spiritual Catholic mean. 264 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:40.320 That her angel is watching over us and looking over us? 265 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:42.960 And I feel that if I do something like that 266 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:47.639 to my own mother that would make me she will punish, well, 267 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:49.759 not her, but I feel like I would. 268 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.879 Be punnished for doing first of all, But Catholics don't 269 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.120 teach that people become angels. But having said that, let's 270 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.440 let's look at at the response. You should be more 271 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.120 flipped out about this than you are. Thanks you're going 272 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.079 on doesn't sit right with me, and I feel like 273 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:09.880 I might be punished. Are all the wrong answers, And 274 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:13.279 you should be disgusted by this on its face, and 275 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:18.039 and and and you actually told enough about the the 276 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.440 circumstances leading up to this that shows you the type 277 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.079 of man this is. And what's your what your mom 278 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:27.279 brought into her home and into your life? Uh, this 279 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.039 was a man who was noncommitted to begin with, who 280 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:35.000 didn't want to commit and merely lived with your mom, 281 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:39.119 and then you know, lived with your brother and now 282 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.759 sniffing around your your part of town seeing if you're 283 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:50.640 interested not a good person. Oh, I'm I'm sorry to 284 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.400 be the one to have to tell you that, but. 285 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.319 They wanted to hear the whole. 286 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.799 But you should just be disgusted by it. We covered 287 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:00.279 that if I. 288 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:04.160 Do something like that, that would be my disgusting city 289 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:05.079 that I would. 290 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.839 Have insite me because it's disgusting. Now, it doesn't mean 291 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:14.759 there haven't been circumstances that happen in life that socially 292 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:18.519 somebody might say is, oh, this is you know, unacceptable, 293 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:20.440 but biblically, there's not a problem with it. What I'm 294 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:24.720 saying is that your particular, your particular specific context that 295 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:28.680 you told me about. I'm not sure why you're not 296 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.200 more flipped out about it. I am more concerned. 297 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.759 I am, but then I am I feel sorry for him, 298 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.559 But then I don't feel like I should do anything 299 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:40.440 like that with him. 300 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.880 You should run, not walk, to the nearest exit. You 301 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:46.839 shouldn't have this man in your life at all, and 302 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.480 tell him that that he's made you feel uncomfortable if 303 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.319 that is the case, and that that you don't wish 304 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:59.319 to have any contact with him. Leave it at that, Okay, okay, yes, 305 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.799 and say good night, Gracie, good night, all right, thank you? 306 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:08.960 That the important thing there is to have the ability 307 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.240 the discernmant to see when people are using you or 308 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:17.000 being predatory. Now I this this man hasn't called in, 309 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.160 so he's not here to defend himself. We're going strictly 310 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.000 on the story, but on the on the story as 311 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.519 it stands. I know that people fall in love with 312 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.519 one another for different reasons, but in this case, it's 313 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:33.440 obvious that you can look around and say, here is 314 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.359 somebody who was with your mother for a long period time, 315 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.000 didn't even marry her, and now he's coming around looking 316 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.119 at you. That's odd. He should have the same feelings. 317 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.480 I mean, there could be misplaced feelings. That's that's normal, 318 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:50.160 misplaced feelings that you remind me of your mother. I 319 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.400 was so in love with her. The way you laugh, 320 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:57.680 your appearance, certain things about you, these types of things 321 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:05.160 you too. To have those feelings normal, but to understand 322 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.599 them in their context and to say this is not 323 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:13.359 okay and not appropriate to pursue would be where you 324 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:17.880 come in as an adult and say this is not okay. 325 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.319 So on both sides, as the daughter and as the 326 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:27.960 pretend husband, that it's not okay, and it brings a 327 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:31.559 lot of a lot of ugliness into the situation. That's 328 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:35.079 I don't know why you wouldn't just cut that off 329 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.319 and say no, I'm disgusted that you'd even ask me 330 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.079 that or pursue me like that. I love and I 331 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:43.319 miss my mother, and I know you meant something to her. 332 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.720 You do not mean that to me, and I prefer 333 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:49.799 that we don't have any contact. I don't know what's 334 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.160 so difficult about that, that kind of running your toes 335 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:56.960 in the sand, going well, maybe this or maybe that. 336 00:20:57.759 --> 00:20:59.599 And the guy's been gone for five or six years, 337 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:01.279 so it's not like there was a relationship that was 338 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:04.079 built up and now you're curious about exploring it. It's 339 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:08.720 it had died and now it comes back and going hey, maybe, 340 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.920 I don't know. I would just expected a whole different 341 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:19.200 response out of that one. I expected a more upset, angry, 342 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:37.039 frustrated response. Okay, Don, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 343 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:38.480 Thank you, Savior. 344 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:39.640 How are you, Don? 345 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:42.920 I'm pretty good, Thank you. 346 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:43.720 What's going on? 347 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:50.839 Well, I'm very much in love and in fact engaged 348 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:58.079 to a Muslim girl. And my preacher tells me that 349 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.119 in the Bible it says to yoke myself with a 350 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:10.559 non believer. I have a friend in church that told 351 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.160 me that he read and I can't remember where he said, 352 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:19.160 but that it was okay. I'm just kind of paraphrasing 353 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:23.599 this that it's okay as long as you're trying to 354 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.680 lead her to Christ, lead her to you. 355 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:36.119 Well, that's a and both of those conclusions I think 356 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:42.319 are based on their own biased So I will tell 357 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.400 you this. Yeah, scripture talks about being unequally yoked, but 358 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:47.240 it's not talking about marriage. I know a lot of 359 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.759 people put that in there, but it's not specifically talking 360 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:54.680 about marriage and relationships in context. Well, not necessarily, because 361 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.920 there's more to it than that. And yes, you should 362 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.920 be seeking the salvation of others by being a wonderful 363 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.480 example and sharing your faith when asked about the hope 364 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.640 that lies within you. Yes, but in addition to that, 365 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:13.640 pragmatically both with your faith and with your life. To 366 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:18.319 be involved with somebody of a differing faith can be 367 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.759 a huge problem. Now, if you guys are more seasoned 368 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.839 in your citizenry and you're not going to have children, 369 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.599 it becomes less of a problem. 370 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:35.759 Yes, well we're pastor. She has a daughter thirteen, but 371 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:39.440 we don't have plans to have any children. And I'm 372 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.359 I'm sixty three and she's forty four. 373 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:48.640 Okay, so that's not what you're seeking. There's a major 374 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:53.039 age discrepancy. Why is there so much distance in the age? 375 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:54.359 Pardon me? 376 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.160 Why are you so much older than she? 377 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:04.440 Well, we met in a nursing home that I was 378 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:08.519 in for a short while, and we were attracted to 379 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:16.279 each other and it's been we've been in a ongoing 380 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:18.279 relationship for over two years now. 381 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.920 Okay, So where do you connect? I mean, where is 382 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:23.000 that part that you connect If it's not the age, 383 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.839 I mean, you don't have the same references growing up. 384 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.079 If it's not the faith, where are you connecting to her? 385 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:31.480 To each other? 386 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:32.119 Yes? 387 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:35.720 Is it just physical? You like the way she looks? 388 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:36.480 She makes you laugh? 389 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:39.880 Oh no, no, no, no no, It's much deeper than that. 390 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.440 Okay, But in what context If it's not your faith 391 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:46.640 and it's not your upbringing references because you're brought. 392 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:51.480 Up, it's like we can almost read each other's minds. 393 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:59.519 She's also somewhat of a caregiver to me. Not a lot. 394 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.279 I don't require a lot. 395 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.559 Okay, but are you sure you haven't fallen in love? 396 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.640 With that concept of somebody that's taking care of you. 397 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.119 I've so searched about that very question. 398 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.240 Well, that means that it's something of great importance. 399 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:23.519 And I haven't been or I haven't felt closer and 400 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:28.279 as much in love with anyone in my life as 401 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:29.119