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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode five sixty two of five and Dive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Monday, July thirteenth. I'm your host, Karat Goldstein, joined

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<v Speaker 1>as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey Petter in ostro.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where we do banter, and i'd ask how

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<v Speaker 1>your weekends were. I'll note mine was terrible. Don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about it. But Jeffrey, there's a fourth

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<v Speaker 1>member of the pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am currently doing this podcast with a four

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<v Speaker 2>month old puppy in my lab because we have a puppy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got.

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<v Speaker 1>Decisions were made.

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<v Speaker 2>I finally got to the point where like everyone in

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of immediate household was mostly self sufficient and

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<v Speaker 2>could take care of themselves, and we decided that this

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<v Speaker 2>cannot stand. This cannot stand you. It was very funny

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<v Speaker 2>the my wife had started sending me photos of adoptable dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>probably a few months ago m hm. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>usually the start of our process, right, but like as

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<v Speaker 2>the summer rolled on, obviously she's not teaching the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Think everyone's around all summer, like this would be the

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<v Speaker 2>time to do it. And she send me this picture

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<v Speaker 2>of this dog that was listed by the rescue group

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<v Speaker 2>or the adoption agency as a one to three year

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<v Speaker 2>old dog and yep. So I'm like, yeah, sure, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>like says he's good with other dogs, perfect, like it

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<v Speaker 2>should be fair like that. Obviously there's an adjustment period,

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<v Speaker 2>but fairly low maintenance. And then later on in the

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<v Speaker 2>process she's like, yeah, they miss she tells me like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh they miss clicked or something when they posted him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's actually five months. I'm just like, oh, okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>we go and meet the dog and like he's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>as puppy as go. He's like pretty low kay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fie do we get his actual birthday? And he's not

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<v Speaker 2>even four months and so it's like he's a puppy puppy.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a I have a puppy puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's doing a very hat like move right now.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a little he is a little cat like.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that.

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<v Speaker 1>This so just for the listeners. The dog is sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in Jeff's lap and it was just burying its head

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<v Speaker 1>in his in the crook of his elbow, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what my cats do a fair amount.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like he's he's fairly chill, but he's also

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<v Speaker 2>a puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so not so not by four.

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<v Speaker 2>Month old puppy standards. He is relatively chill.

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<v Speaker 1>He's athletic for a catcher.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a three hour draft stream yesterday at Twitch

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<v Speaker 2>when also my wife and child were at home, and

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<v Speaker 2>he just left on the couch behind me for three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>He is not doing that today.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well he did that yesterday. It's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>That is checked off the list and we can move

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<v Speaker 1>on Patrick Deck Deck Okay, yeah, all right. On that note,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into the pod our. First segment, simply the

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<v Speaker 1>Best despite getting swept by Arizona entering the All Star Break,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's their first time being swept on the season.

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<v Speaker 1>I might be wrong in that. I thought I saw

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<v Speaker 1>someone posting totals on time swept or sweeping something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dodgers had won. The Dodgers have the best

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<v Speaker 1>record in baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's uh, it sure is the Dodgers. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're roally Andy piees. Now they didn't need it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they just like it's you know, we talked that Kyle

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker has sort of shown up, but they got Andy Pyees,

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<v Speaker 3>so like it's a wash. You could basically just go

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<v Speaker 3>one for two on your six hundred million dollar contracts slash,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty five year old center fielders, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it. That's all it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very funny to me, like, they obviously have a

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<v Speaker 2>very good sets. So I'm gotte some fifty of the

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<v Speaker 2>out this week. They're gonna have I don't know, five

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<v Speaker 2>or six guys on it something like that. And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they're you know, we've made a obviously you look at

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<v Speaker 2>their list from coming into the season and just the

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<v Speaker 2>general scuffle butt around the team right now. They obviously

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<v Speaker 2>have three very good outfield prospects. They're probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>be all in the top twenty of that list.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, have four, I make that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Can take in Tarotaro. He'll be on the list, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he'll be. Okay, top twenty, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to kind of slow start ees and better recently.

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<v Speaker 2>But like anyway, obviously they talked about like, yeah, where's

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna trade one of these guys they'll be like

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<v Speaker 2>the Beast project was like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also not for not for a major leaguer.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably right, No, we just want a different we want

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<v Speaker 2>a different prospects.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, how would you feel about I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to sound like too much of a homer

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<v Speaker 1>like in this sense, but like I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do I also don't want to do like the don't

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<v Speaker 1>trade with the raised things. But like if you're if

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<v Speaker 1>you're another team, how would you feel How confident would

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<v Speaker 1>you feel about trading, you know, a prospect or a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of prospects to the Dodgers for one of their

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<v Speaker 1>own prospects? Would you feel good about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like the Cubs obviously did this and got

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Bush, who it has been to be very good,

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<v Speaker 2>and the very good prospect they traded the Dodgers just

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<v Speaker 2>might flip.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, sure, But I'm just saying, like, would you feel

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<v Speaker 1>prettyarticularly good about that?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Like again, I don't want to be the Rays, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>default the Rays win everything, because I don't think that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, like I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>also think a lot of the guys the Dodgers trade

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<v Speaker 1>away haven't now Bush and now Vargas have blossomed. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>there's your don if you go back far enough, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Kybert Ruiz is having a nice year finally, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of these trades have gone the Dodgers' way,

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<v Speaker 1>not simply because guys have been good with the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not always the case. But a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that they've traded away haven't really come back

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<v Speaker 1>to bite them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean a lot of times. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>even with Michael Bush, it's just the you don't have room, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That Vargas and Bush, right, they just didn't really have room.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easy to not regret a trade when when you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have when you just couldn't use them anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they also traded O'Neil Cruz and you're Don

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<v Speaker 2>Alvarez in the last decade too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yeah, it is like again, well but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know that Cruise has come back to bite

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<v Speaker 1>them that much. Ord On Alvarez, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, although you know, they don't have anyone to play

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<v Speaker 2>them anywhere to play them because they have sho hey

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<v Speaker 2>TONI but like again, this is just it really is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of it's not even a double standard per se.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like the Dodger's standard, and there's like every other

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<v Speaker 2>standard like on a on a normal team, Like look

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<v Speaker 2>at the sort of narrative around the Mets trading peak

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<v Speaker 2>ro Armstrong as a prospect right for the Hobby Baya's

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<v Speaker 2>rental in twenty twenty one, and like it's the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing Zack Scott talks about now on his podcast as

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<v Speaker 2>best I can tell. But like, although it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the kind of thing that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, I mean it is going to haunt the

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<v Speaker 2>Mets to an extent, but also it's just going to

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<v Speaker 2>become part of this broader Now. I got guy that

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<v Speaker 2>could really use peakro Armstrong right now, Like obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>Dodgers could use ord On Alvarez, but it just like

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. This is very much like a winning fixes everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like it's like it is, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>like almost so gaudy. It's like garish amount of winning, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just there's no way you can topple this.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, eventually, Bets, Freeman and Otani are gonna get old.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Freeman's already like in his late thirties, but

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<v Speaker 2>like are gonna slow down, like actually slow down, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna have to find the next generation, which.

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<v Speaker 1>I think is is again the focus on infielders, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but they can also like I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a Tucker even a Tucker level contract,

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<v Speaker 2>give it out in the next few free I guess

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<v Speaker 2>Elie de la Cruz they just go and get Eli

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<v Speaker 2>de la Cruz on free agency, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's he's a ways away, is he not?

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<v Speaker 2>Not as far as I mean, yes, But by the

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<v Speaker 2>time he's there, you might have the actually Otani Freeman

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess Bets has already started to slow down,

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<v Speaker 2>but you might actually be looking for like the next

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<v Speaker 2>linchpin of your lineup. So they just they just create

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Robleski, right, Yeah, like they.

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<v Speaker 1>Just Cruz is a twenty thirty free agent. Where are

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<v Speaker 1>ways away? Yeah, I mean it's it's not forever in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the distance, but yeah, I mean I think again,

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<v Speaker 1>you at the trade thing in terms of like those

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<v Speaker 1>losing losing those those deals, whether it's Cruise or or you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of them both for like relievers, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Watson for Cruise and Josh Fields for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, both of them pitched pretty well for them generally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Fields actually did, especially for multiple years, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know Andrew Readman has said right, You can't expect

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<v Speaker 1>to win every deal. You have to, like on value,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to give more because you're pursuing something. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a pursuit of a championship. Like that's the trade, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you're going to give up more in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what like a model.

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<v Speaker 2>Says, and like you also, generally speaking, you never have

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<v Speaker 2>you always have more information about your you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>a team looking to make a move in twenty TI,

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<v Speaker 2>you always have more information about like your twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six playoff odds World Series odd situation that you're about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty eight, except maybe not for the Dodgers because

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<v Speaker 2>they're probably just going to be in the same spot

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's fair. Our doc poses a question, is

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<v Speaker 1>this boring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, Craig?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as a fan, do you like winning? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I guess the what what is the question?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I will say that's boring. I will say this,

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<v Speaker 2>And granted it's a World Cup summer, so I've been

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<v Speaker 2>watching less baseball, major League Baseball than I normally watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Also the Mets being very bad. I addicted that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I put I think I put the

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<v Speaker 2>I may have hit the Dodgers of a seventy watchability

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<v Speaker 2>not maybe because it was already starting to get a

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<v Speaker 2>little boring to me. But it's funny because you're, what

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five games over five hundred or right now, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and their usual one hundred win pace, and like on

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<v Speaker 2>some level it doesn't feel like they've gotten out of

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<v Speaker 2>second gear yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like kind of like watching France in the

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup, right, Like they're just very tidy. They get

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<v Speaker 2>it done, but it's not exciting like even yeah, even

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<v Speaker 2>without the novelty, like in some ways, like the White

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<v Speaker 1>They're probably more interesting to watch. Yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>would say if you go back two years, there was

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<v Speaker 2>and the seven forty seven have blown out, you somehow

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit of that inevitable in an exciting way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think now they're inevitable in a more boring way,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely think that's fair. I also think, like you

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<v Speaker 1>some point like it is. It is kind of comical

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<v Speaker 2>It also felt like maybe, I don't know, maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like they were just kind of hanging around ten

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<v Speaker 2>games over five hundred and okay, I think the Padres

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<v Speaker 2>and Diamond actually going to catch him, probably not, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they just quietly been fifteen games ever since.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the National League West has not helped, I think

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<v Speaker 3>with the Masters this year. Usually there is at least

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<v Speaker 3>one team that is the little brother. There are no brothers.

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<v Speaker 3>The Dodgers are an only child in the National League West.

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<v Speaker 3>This year they lead. They lead the NL West by

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<v Speaker 3>at eleven and a half games like that. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>other half of the drama. But we have had a

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<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers, right, Like, it's not like nothing has happened

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<v Speaker 3>to this team. It's just what I think. If anything,

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<v Speaker 3>it's that that your Dalton Rushings, you're you know, heys

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<v Speaker 3>On Kim's like everybody, even even the backups, have been fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they haven't when when the starters have gone down

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<v Speaker 3>or when the starters have struggled with the taoscar. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just there hasn't It's it's you don't get a

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<v Speaker 3>lineup like the Maritors have been rolling out with Buddy

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<v Speaker 3>Kennedy at third base ever and it's the yes, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's you know, six million dollars they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Chucky Robinson was here for a little bit, sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, but that's one.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy, the best third catcher in baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not even here anymore. So Elliet's right, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>also the point, right Like you're you're pointing out Dalton

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<v Speaker 1>Rushing is playing every day because Will Smith is hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it's not really hurt, is he Will Smith? No, No, but.

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<v Speaker 2>He's done a pretty good facsemile of Will Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of that was concentrated in the

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<v Speaker 1>first month of the season, hence best backup whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>like he's also been fine, yeah generally, I mean, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in terms of attitude on the field, right, he's

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<v Speaker 1>production on the field, maybe not attitude attitude nobody wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey sent Kim right, the Dodgers didn't like blow everyone

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<v Speaker 1>out of the water just twelve minutes. And he look,

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<v Speaker 1>he has his own problems right, too much, But but

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<v Speaker 1>he is a bad you know, a utility infielder who

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<v Speaker 1>is utilitied the infield. Like he's like Ryan Ward has

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<v Speaker 1>been okay, Yeah, a lot of teams could use Ryan Ward.

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<v Speaker 1>They the Dodgers can't use him. But this is like

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<v Speaker 3>Combination of these.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he was good when he filled in right in

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<v Speaker 1>But like they plugged him in and he was just fine.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you've got the guys that work here because

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<v Speaker 3>it's the Dodgers, and like this is the closest thing

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<v Speaker 3>major League Baseball is a super team with like Miguel

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<v Speaker 3>Rohassen and the AARNet is, so just only want to

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<v Speaker 3>play for the Dodgers, right, and we'll just take whatever

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<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers pay them to be there, as Joshian calls

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<v Speaker 3>them mascots, Right, they're not even they're not even bad players.

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<v Speaker 3>Like mcgaul ross has been fine. He's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>understand how mcgro ROAs hits, but he has just become

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<v Speaker 3>a good hitter.

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<v Speaker 1>They generally try and play him against lefties, right, he's

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<v Speaker 1>better against lefties. He does that, okay, And he's a

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<v Speaker 1>he's a good fielder.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thirty seven has a shortstop, which is also kind

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<v Speaker 3>of weird, right, Like, thirty seven year old aren't supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be good shortstops generally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know that he's a good shortstop right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's fine there, and he's good at second and

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<v Speaker 1>third's his age is definitely shown a little bit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like his range isn't great or whatever, but he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>generally a steady hand. I will say this as we

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<v Speaker 1>as we go into the break, they get swept by Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>I think someone was tracking it. They had like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six percent of their errors on the season in the

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<v Speaker 1>last five games. Or something like that, Like their defense

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<v Speaker 1>was atrocious. I like I said online, they're playing defense

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<v Speaker 1>like I went to school second half of senior year.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it.

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<v Speaker 1>They do have to tighten it up, right, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of why they got swept some stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, like they're they've traded for Eric Lower who

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<v Speaker 1>then has a three twelve RA right, and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they traded for him, they picked him up off off DFA. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They might have given up a little something, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was basically free, and he's not that. He's actually been

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<v Speaker 1>good twenty one strikeouts in forty innings. But they're getting

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<v Speaker 1>away with it. So I don't I don't know. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it boring? Maybe a little? I mean I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>look like again, this is first world problems. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>even a problem. But I think it's a natural thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they've won the last two World Series. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make the playoffs when they lose a bat. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been bad losses, and it's a lot easier for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, okay, throw it away, like easy enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've been I've been blessed as a fan, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't really have to worry about they have

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<v Speaker 1>an eleven and a half game lead in the division.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to after getting swept, after getting swept, after.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting swept by the Diamondbacks, Right, so I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about that, Like why am I gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be distraught over it? And and look, we've talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's not great for baseball in general sense

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<v Speaker 1>to like not care about the regular season. I do

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<v Speaker 1>still care as a fan. I choose to care, but

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't as it isn't as urgent.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is this actually worse than a Guardian's White

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<v Speaker 2>Sox penet race like an absolute scale?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I mean no, But as you said, I do

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<v Speaker 1>think like the White Sox pose more interesting questions. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't change in October. Yeah, right, once we get

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<v Speaker 3>to October, it'll be there's there's ways for every team

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<v Speaker 3>to have to optimize, and ways for every team to

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<v Speaker 3>have to juggle their injuries. Then a way that can

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<v Speaker 3>be compelling. Right, do you start Shean or Rubleski in

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<v Speaker 3>Game three or whatever? Right now they're gonna win one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred games and it doesn't really matter on which particular

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<v Speaker 3>day they win or lose when they get there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's again, this is the fault of the time

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<v Speaker 3>of pacts. This is the fault of the giants, Like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody has to compete with them, and none of them

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<v Speaker 3>are Padres had a great run and it ran out,

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<v Speaker 3>and uh that's you know, I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 3>blame the Dodgers for that, right, Like there were times

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<v Speaker 3>when the Yankees just walked away with a division, but

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<v Speaker 3>the division needs to be walked away from. So I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, you still have the you know, because of

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<v Speaker 3>the CBA, you still have this, you still have this

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<v Speaker 3>uh you know, looming existential threat, right that some people

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think of them as one, but there are

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<v Speaker 3>people who are just going to treat the Dodgers as

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<v Speaker 3>a bad end for baseball. And then if they walk

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<v Speaker 3>through the playoffs and win a World and they sweep

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<v Speaker 3>the World Series, that this is a problem. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, like it is almost like shooting the moon,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if the Dodgers do too well, it's bad. And

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<v Speaker 3>if the Dodgers struggle but managed to win, it's fine,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, but I don't know, it's not I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it's worth getting worked up about. They're just a

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<v Speaker 3>good team. There was gonna be a good team. There's

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<v Speaker 3>always gonna be a best team in baseball. It just

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<v Speaker 3>happens to be the same one as last year because

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<v Speaker 3>I have all the same players.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the last year. But they were also in as and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry for repeating this, but they were also like

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<v Speaker 1>the best team in baseball for many years without winning

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<v Speaker 1>the worst series, and no one minded that.

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<v Speaker 3>And they probably won't this year either.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right now, they have one to in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>and they thought, like again, it's like the garish nature

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<v Speaker 2>of it too, right, Like it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>They are there's there's the Kyle Tucker of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right or Edwin Diaz right, like they can just have

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<v Speaker 2>their big free agent signings do and not. Tucker hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been awful, but like do not much and it least

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter, right, yeah, I mean the Mets. The Mets

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<v Speaker 2>get a not great season out of Boba Shad and

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<v Speaker 2>among other things, and it's like more and again, a

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<v Speaker 2>team that spends a lot of money, it's more of

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<v Speaker 3>We have them as a slightly less than one four

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<v Speaker 3>chance of winning the World Series right now, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is with them walking into the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>That is also high.

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<v Speaker 3>It's insanely high. It's also still one in four, which

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<v Speaker 3>means to win three in a row like that is

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<v Speaker 3>now one in sixty four, right, right, as a certain point,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like that's what one in sixty four. Things

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<v Speaker 3>just happen, right, You can deal yourself a full house

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<v Speaker 3>just idealing out five cards like these things do happen sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think I think it is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>both insanely high, like to get into the the plug

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<v Speaker 1>get over twenty percent is is very high, right. I

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<v Speaker 1>think at the at the beginning of the season it

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<v Speaker 1>was is around twenty twenty one, twenty two percent something

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<v Speaker 1>like that their World Series odds. But the the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is they were in that range, in the nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent range a number of years, right, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I keep saying, And it didn't Now does the three

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<v Speaker 1>percent difference is a four you know, four percent difference

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen to twenty three percent feel different?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, because they've done it now. It isn't like.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lily with with Tucker and Diaz. Absolutely, but also

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<v Speaker 1>like Diaz wasn't a crazy deal.

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<v Speaker 2>No, like neither was Tanner Scott I mean, there's probably

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<v Speaker 2>too much for Tanner.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott didn't. I didn't.

422
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<v Speaker 2>I know you didn't like it. You still don't like

423
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<v Speaker 2>it though he's been quite good, but it has been

424
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<v Speaker 2>very good.

425
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<v Speaker 4>But by the way, yeah, but look, there are teams

426
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<v Speaker 4>that can spend for top level free agents and there

427
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<v Speaker 4>are teams that can develop.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Justin Robleski, there aren't a lot that can do both

429
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<v Speaker 2>or will do both, I guess right, like Cleveland probably

430
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<v Speaker 2>has the actual money to do both, but raise et cetera.

431
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<v Speaker 2>And there if there is something just because they've now

432
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<v Speaker 2>won to in a row. And again it's not very

433
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<v Speaker 2>Saber metric of me, but it feels like, you know,

434
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<v Speaker 2>they don't have the whatever less psychological Oh, they can't

435
00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:02.720
<v Speaker 2>get it down in the playoffs, like the choker aspect

436
00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.720
<v Speaker 2>of it name it was just gone, like they feel

437
00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:10.519
<v Speaker 2>more inevitable. And again some of this is just you know,

438
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the narrative changes when you win a couple.

439
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.079
<v Speaker 1>But like, yeah, because they won and they won twenty twenty, yeah,

440
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I know, it didn't seem to change and now.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Counts retroactively because they've won two.

442
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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's convenient to the point of saying like

443
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<v Speaker 1>they're wrecking the sport. Right, They've won three in however

444
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<v Speaker 1>many years.

445
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.279
<v Speaker 2>But like, I mean, even in between twenty twenty they

446
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<v Speaker 2>have some bad losses. In between twenty twenty and twenty

447
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<v Speaker 2>twenty four they stop.

448
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<v Speaker 1>They started lance Lynne.

449
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<v Speaker 2>And not the good one. Yeah, I mean, but like

450
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<v Speaker 2>it does they feel more? They have so much floor, right,

451
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<v Speaker 2>But you're also not waiting for Dave Roberts to leave

452
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<v Speaker 2>Clayton Kershaw and too long you're waiting for Dave. You're

453
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<v Speaker 2>waiting for Dave Roberts to Lei Yoshinnama Yamamoto, and it

454
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<v Speaker 2>just works because he is clutch, right, Like, there's something

455
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<v Speaker 2>like they have got this vague cle We talked about

456
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<v Speaker 2>this a little bit and w that show with like Berlander, right,

457
00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.359
<v Speaker 2>like you can change the narrative so quickly on this

458
00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>stuff because they're such small samples. And once you're a

459
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 2>winning player, just a winning player forever.

460
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I mean, I think you can tune

462
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<v Speaker 2>into like any random Dodgers game just because right, obviously

463
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<v Speaker 2>you're going to see Otani and Freeman and Betts and

464
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Ty and Pie Yamamoto and some starts, you know, But

465
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't I don't know. They're obviously going to be

466
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<v Speaker 2>appointment viewing in the playoffs. I'm sure they're going to

467
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<v Speaker 2>do crazy ratings when all of a sudden don in

468
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<v Speaker 2>October for all those series they're in. But I don't

469
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<v Speaker 2>know for me, And again, I'm a very thin slice

470
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:58.680
<v Speaker 2>of baseball fandom on the whole for a variety of reasons.

471
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<v Speaker 2>But it's just I don't know. Something about this team

472
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<v Speaker 2>is also like, I mean, I guess I could find

473
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<v Speaker 2>them on like an interesting series, but they're also playing

474
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of games against the San Francisco Giants in

475
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<v Speaker 2>the Arizona Dmomax, right, Like that's.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Less less than they used to Sure, yeah, I mean

477
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<v Speaker 1>I do. The other part of this to something in

478
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<v Speaker 1>terms of the long term sense, is like they are

479
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the oldest team in baseball. Sure, they're very so like,

480
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<v Speaker 1>I don't we started off talking about the trio of

481
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<v Speaker 1>outfield prospects and they're gonna trade some of those, but

482
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to start working. They're gonna have to

483
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>start working some of those guys. Yeah, in because you know,

484
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<v Speaker 1>some of these contracts might not last. You know, we'll

485
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<v Speaker 1>see Tucker might might well be four years at the

486
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<v Speaker 1>at the rate he's going.

487
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't oscar.

488
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<v Speaker 1>Oscar has a club option through twenty twenty eight, but.

489
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<v Speaker 2>What's the current status of the endless max monthly options?

490
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<v Speaker 1>Are they keep Well, he's got another, I mean they

491
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<v Speaker 1>keep just acting one on right, and why wouldn't you

492
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>this year? Yeah, he continues to be really good. He's

493
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:09.799
<v Speaker 1>a better defender than he's ever been. Which is which is?

494
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's one of the crazier things to me.

495
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:14.640
<v Speaker 1>You look at their the left side of their infield. Obviously,

496
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about Mookie Betts like going from right field

497
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<v Speaker 1>to shortstop at his age, right, he's now thirty three,

498
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:21.599
<v Speaker 1>he's still a very good.

499
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I think he might have been drafted as a short stop,

500
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>but he's like a second base process field. But he

501
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>also wasn't a short stop coming out right.

502
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>And then Max Munsey, who was like barely a third baseman,

503
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>like hid enough to justify it. And then he's he's

504
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>legitimately good there. Now he's not the best or anything,

505
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>but he's he's an above average defensive third baseman. You know,

506
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that's a remarkable And then you throw in Andy Pies

507
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>turning into a legitimate defensive center fielder. There have been

508
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<v Speaker 1>some pretty remarkable defensive uh upgrades without changing the players

509
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<v Speaker 1>out right for this team. Anyway, That's enough naval gazing

510
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>from my side. Do you have another question here?

511
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I do. I noticed this. I just looked at who

512
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<v Speaker 2>was leading in warp at the All Star break this morning,

513
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know, obviously, Judge, obviously Tani is still there.

514
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>All he talked about him, even even in hitting. Obviously

515
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>been a great pitching season as well. Obviously, Judges, he.

516
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Is getting his knee drained over He's.

517
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Getting his knee drained over the All Star break. But

518
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>like I started, are we starting to get the next generation?

519
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Now say I'm not. I could put it as passing

520
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 2>the torch. I don't know afterially passing the torch? Obviously,

521
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Wan Soda is still in the middle of his peak too.

522
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 2>But like for the next you have to you know,

523
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I put like, so, who are the who's the next

524
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 2>great crop of like position player slash hitters, And you

525
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>look at it, like you know. Ord On Alvarez in

526
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>some ways is more established. He might be older than

527
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<v Speaker 2>one Soda. I don't even know he is older than Okay,

528
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 2>fair enough but uh, you know, James Wood now is

529
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.599
<v Speaker 2>sort of doing it for a second. I he didn't

530
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<v Speaker 2>have a great second half last year, Cam.

531
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<v Speaker 1>Arrow, But I look, you can't deny the greatness of

532
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<v Speaker 1>James Wood, right, James Wood is legitimately.

533
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 2>Great junior Cameron Arrow. Seems we take finding another gear

534
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.519
<v Speaker 2>on the power while still grounding into a ton of

535
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>double plays. And of course Miguel Vargas being the other

536
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 2>one in the.

537
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>At the time, and on DRC plus he's he's eight. Yeah,

538
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 1>so he's top ten. Look, you can throw Nick Kurtz

539
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 1>is top ten after a brutal start to the season.

540
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, I guess Witt has been this guy for

541
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>a few years. But Witt, I think he's a very

542
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.640
<v Speaker 2>very good hitter, but a lot of his value is

543
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>tied up in being a very good defensive shortstop.

544
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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of internal upgrades without changing the player.

545
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, Uh, and then like you even have you know, Weather,

546
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Holt and mcgona go on. I don't know if they

547
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>will get to this level of the guys who just discussed.

548
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Miguel Varcas is.

549
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>But if I'm just sorting by by d r C plus,

550
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, we can look at Jordan Walker.

551
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Jordan Walker's I.

552
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Don't know that we'll it's it's a half a season, right,

553
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Walker is a little less of a sample size, and

554
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>that's why I didn't include.

555
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>But McGonagall also right to that degree.

556
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 2>But two Donegal has also never been as bad as

557
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Walker was for like three years.

558
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Drake Baldwin five years old. Ye, Ben Rice is only

559
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven.

560
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, also older than Yeah.

561
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, are we buying Luis Garcia. Luis Garci

562
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>is a one thirty one. I'm not really he's twenty six,

563
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.599
<v Speaker 1>He's I think, Look he goes to the Jordan Walker.

564
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>He's done it short season. He's look, he's always been

565
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of cromulent, but.

566
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's always had like interesting offensive tools on some level.

567
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

568
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 2>No, I guess piece again, pc A has did it

569
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>for a half season last year, and that didn't We'll

570
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>see how the second half goes this year.

571
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Yah, I don't know how far you want to go.

572
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>And again, d O C plus and and OPS plus

573
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 1>have some disagreements about c J Abrams. Uh you know, yeah, I.

574
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<v Speaker 2>A lot, but yeah, I just I'm curious to see,

575
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 2>like who the next guy? So you know, we spent

576
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:29.960
<v Speaker 2>years doing the one Soto versus Akunya versus Fernando Tatis

577
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 2>versus Flat. I think towards the end, look, they have

578
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 2>all had excellent careers.

579
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>How would you feel about mur comed in that discussion?

580
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>No, I just again the sample sizes. Okay, it's very

581
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 2>hard for me. I'm talking over like the long haul, right,

582
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Like can Murk Comedy do is for like three years?

583
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

584
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Possibly, but like as soon as he loses even a

585
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 2>little bit of twitch, that's going to go real bad,

586
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 2>real quick.

587
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

588
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 3>I just I just thought it was an interesting question

589
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.000
<v Speaker 3>given the first topic. I find it's funny that I

590
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 3>guess we're still technically on the first topic. So few

591
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 3>of these players are in the National League West.

592
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Carroll, I guess, Carol. Yeah, he's kind of like in

593
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>between where he's I think I think this is he's

594
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.440
<v Speaker 2>established a level of production at an all star level,

595
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, I don't I think he's hit

596
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the top gear here and have a great career, right,

597
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't.

598
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe Bryce Eldridge, Right, I.

599
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Like Bryce Eldridge, but like, I don't think he's turning

600
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:30.279
<v Speaker 2>into yord On Alvarez.

601
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, I don't know he's he's hit a

602
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.559
<v Speaker 1>higher gear than this Carrol Carroll.

603
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's also at this point, you know, had a

604
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>fair amount of injuries. He's a he's a smaller framed

605
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 2>athletic guy. Like he's still in his mid twenties. Again,

606
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I think he can do this for a few years. Yeah,

607
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.599
<v Speaker 2>But like he's also a career to fifty seven header,

608
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 2>which again in this era is not bad. It's above average. Yeah,

609
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>but he's not quite I don't know if he's quite

610
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.720
<v Speaker 2>as well round did a hitter are some of these

611
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 2>other guys.

612
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's said we should should be mentioning

613
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Jackson Merrill, but came I was.

614
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Gonna say Jacksonner too.

615
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Like Conner a year ago, we obviously would have been

616
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>talking about here. So this stuff can change, right, Like

617
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 2>it's it's actually very hard. Like the thing you go

618
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.799
<v Speaker 2>back to so Soto, Akunya, Tatis and lad conversations and

619
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:30.880
<v Speaker 2>they've all, you know, they've all had, you know, I think,

620
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 2>well above median careers for where they were ranked as

621
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>prospects and young players. But also Soto is the only

622
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>one that's really held it, held it right, and again

623
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 2>there's like obviously Tatis and Kunya, I've had a ton

624
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 2>of injuries. When is the other issues?

625
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me ask you that, Like you're you smiled

626
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>as as you said Migel Vargus, but like we're ex

627
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Migel Vargus is twenty six, lad is twenty seven, right,

628
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Who who do you want going forward?

629
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, blad, I don't think. Okay, I don't think it.

630
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>So like Flat is in this conversation not this year,

631
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, but again the torch, he's a year older

632
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and you'd rather have it.

633
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>But he's also paid like six years in the majors.

634
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Like it's that that's part of it too.

635
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well how long is your time?

636
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, fair enough?

637
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 1>I know, uh yeah, I think I don't know. I

638
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:25.519
<v Speaker 1>think it's a little early to say on a lot

639
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of these guys. I think even Kim and Ara, right,

640
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's he doesn't have the track record issue that

641
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Walker has. But this is a this is another gear

642
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>from last year.

643
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean it is, but it's not like I mean,

644
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the major difference is he's like walking twice as much.

645
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 2>And look, some of that might I'm sure some of

646
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that if I dug down is he's been a little

647
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>more disciplined. He's all like, why would you pitch to

648
00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 2>him in that lineup? But he's also I think he's

649
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>hitting behind Yandy and Ronda most of the time, so

650
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>extremely why would you pitch him in that lineup? Like yeah,

651
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, now he's not a great defensive third baseman.

652
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that is boy? Is that kind?

653
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, he's yeah, I mean like yeah, I

654
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>mean it depends, like FRB hates him a lot more

655
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>than some of the other metrics. But like whether you

656
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>think he's a minus five, he might. He might legitimately

657
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>be a minus five third baseman and that'll be okay

658
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>for a few more years. I don't, like, I wonder

659
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 2>if they try him and like left field at some

660
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>point because like he moves, okay.

661
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think he he has to stay bad, right,

662
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>we're just talking about Max Months or whatever. Like, I

663
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 1>don't think his tools are bad.

664
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.639
<v Speaker 2>He's also almost as big as Max Max Mounzy now,

665
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 2>like he's a big boy like he I like that

666
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 2>he's still listed it, yeah, still listed at six thirteen twenty.

667
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 2>He is not six one two twenty.

668
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's also it's not even just the range or whatever. No,

669
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 1>he's got thirteen errors.

670
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Right.

671
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>If he could clean that up, he could almost certainly

672
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>battle it to a draw, right, But like that's that's

673
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>not what's what's happening right now. What's happening right now

674
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>is he's a bad third basement right.

675
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Look, he might just end up at first base when

676
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>they leaves, and like fine, Like I don't have like

677
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>it's going to cut into his value some but he

678
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>is a fifty percent better than league average hitter who

679
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>gives a.

680
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Shit, right, right, somebody's got play first.

681
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, someone's gota play first. He's listed at six one

682
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>two twenty. He's probably like six three, so like, I

683
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think is billion issue personally. I would try him

684
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the outfield, but but he's also twenty two, right, Like, like,

685
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>what does this look like? But the twenty five for

686
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>the bad I think the age.

687
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Is I don't what does it mean for twenty five?

688
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>If you're junior camera? Is he gonna be? Is he

689
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 1>gonna he swings as hard as humingly possible? Yes, he's

690
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 1>fully filled out. Does it mean like, yes, he swings too,

691
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and you can lock in the production, but you're not

692
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>necessarily saying, here's a lot more growth.

693
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't think.

694
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it comes in the softer areas like we've seen,

695
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 1>like walk rate right like that.

696
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that possible he has, right, I don't

697
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>think it's impossible if he continues to hit like this,

698
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.400
<v Speaker 2>that he has some Jordon type season where he like

699
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:35.760
<v Speaker 2>walks fifteen percent of the time and strikes out fifteen

700
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>percent of the time. Okay, Like I coud see him

701
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>cleaning up to swing and miss even a little bit more, which, again,

702
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>given how hard he hits, the ball is going to

703
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>have yeah, significant knock on effects.

704
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he doesn't.

705
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 3>He has.

706
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 1>He has the general profile someone you would expect to

707
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.119
<v Speaker 1>strike out more than he does. Yes, right, Like he has.

708
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 1>That is the type of power and swings that he takes.

709
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But like, dude has strikeouts in ninety four games.

710
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Is not a guy that swings this hard and has

711
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 2>this longest swing, right, it's like almost an eight foot swing.

712
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 1>He expect a lot heard a lot of whiffs.

713
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, and like again he doesn't like his own contact

714
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>rate have gone up basically every full season eighty five percent.

715
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Now that's that's incredible. I mean, I would I would

716
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>have said, off the top of my head, eighty right,

717
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 1>like good.

718
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Unless he's done that at least twenty twenty five or

719
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty by swinging a lot less. But again I think

720
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 2>that's fine.

721
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, it certainly has been.

722
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the main issue is is his barrel control

723
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 2>doesn't suck, but it's not like an optimized swing plane.

724
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Hence all the like he's still hits them all on

725
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 2>the ground fifty percent of the time. Yeah, it's a

726
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>very it's a very funny distribution because he either hits

727
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the ball on the ground or pulls it in the air.

728
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Those like the two things that he does.

729
00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean the double place, right, I like

730
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>it is. It is a hilarious kind of combination of

731
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>things when you look at obviously the home runs and

732
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.239
<v Speaker 1>just the offensive pro and then it's like also by

733
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the way he hits into a ton of double plays

734
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and commits a lead leading number of errors. What we're

735
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna give him, We're gonna give him superpowers and also

736
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:21.119
<v Speaker 1>super flaws.

737
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

738
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh, shall we move on to our second segment? It's

739
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:34.079
<v Speaker 1>BP on draft draft excuse me, rock hold on. Maybe

740
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you can kip, maybe, maybe you can clip Manford here,

741
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try Chluski. Yeah is how Manfred said it.

742
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Look it took me right back to bud see like

743
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 1>say in Los Angeles.

744
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean obviously we are not great at pronunciating.

745
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Pronunciating great pronouncing.

746
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Literally up draft heading into this sore.

747
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:57.199
<v Speaker 2>On this podcast.

748
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I would get I would get up.

749
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.639
<v Speaker 2>You know I would get him. You can ask, you

750
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 2>can ask fanatically.

751
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well you say fanatic, it could be Kulawski.

752
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, But I mean there's like no, I mean,

753
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 2>like right out, but it's not colluciation. It's not.

754
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Rock goes first. This is not a surprise. Maybe not

755
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>as inspiring as you want, like so much Dance by Swanson.

756
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Everyone says that, and I get it, but also Dance

757
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 2>by Swanson is a well above median first overall pick.

758
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it's done saying it's a bad outcome.

759
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, But I mean, do you want excitement or do

760
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 2>you want like the forty one player like.

761
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't sometimes he's gonna pass. Probably you're dreaming you

762
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 1>want both? Yeah, I guess that's true, right, The draft

763
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>is about dreaming.

764
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Do you think Justin Upton was a good first overall? Pick. Yeah, yes,

765
00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Swanson is going to pass it either this year or

766
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 2>next and career war yeah and I.

767
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, just yeah, but but Atlanta is not seeing the

768
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>benefit of the part where he passed Upton.

769
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but they're also not seeing the decline part of

770
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 2>it either.

771
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, but Upton was on another I mean that was.

772
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I meant for Swanson, but yeah, I guess fair.

773
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>No, But I'm just saying, like the point is like

774
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the decline, right, I mean, I'm with you on this,

775
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 1>I understand. I'm just saying that, like if you're I

776
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.599
<v Speaker 1>don't know you kind of it's not It's not that

777
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a bad outcome, but given how many end up below.

778
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean that that is the problem if you

779
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:43.639
<v Speaker 2>if you're.

780
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>You want to shoot at the stars so that if

781
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 1>you miss, you end up a little higher. Right. But

782
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.599
<v Speaker 1>people also thought Swanson was going to be better than

783
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Swanson and Dandy.

784
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Swanson was picked one one he got. He did not

785
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 2>get comped to the previous version of day.

786
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 1>You don't you don't want the this is this is

787
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners five forty win percentage. Yeah, yeah, you want

788
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to him higher it's five forty because then you end

789
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 1>up at five forty when you miss.

790
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.760
<v Speaker 2>It's also not impossible he's better than that offensively. Sure

791
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:09.320
<v Speaker 2>there are.

792
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Some No, this is no, that's absolutely true.

793
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just uh, I mean, like again, the options.

794
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just not inspiring.

795
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying I don't think that.

796
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 1>It's not to condemn.

797
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Him, right, I don't think there was an more inspiring

798
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 2>one one pick in this draft. Is the other part

799
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 2>of it, Like people are going to say Grady.

800
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Emerson, this is where I bow out.

801
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 2>People are going to say Grady Emerson. But also like

802
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>my giving this point of the draftee, like Grady Emerson

803
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:38.880
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of this game tools, is Schilowski He's

804
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:41.320
<v Speaker 2>just the similar right yeah yeah, so like and maybe

805
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>he develops that more. Maybe he would have developed that

806
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 2>more in college and might do it more in a

807
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 2>professional hitting development system. But like it's not you're not

808
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>picking between him and like some crazy five tool center

809
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 2>field prep prospect, right, Like there's a lot of like

810
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 2>to me, like reading the reports like kind of feels

811
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.960
<v Speaker 2>like Marcello Meyer again, like with in the one to

812
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>one conversation his year and you know it was a

813
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>very well regarded prospect for most of his prospectim and

814
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.760
<v Speaker 2>is not really hitting the majors. But I think it's

815
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a similar range of high end outcomes

816
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.559
<v Speaker 2>here even if Meyer didn't get to his And then

817
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 2>you have you have a college catcher, so good luck

818
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>with that, who's really only performed for one year in

819
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.199
<v Speaker 2>the ACC. I mean von Lackey was a good prospect

820
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:30.519
<v Speaker 2>draft house that coming into the season.

821
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

822
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 2>And then Jackson Flora, who's an interesting college pitcher who

823
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.400
<v Speaker 2>you feel like there's a little bit more in the tank.

824
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>But also I don't know, like I don't know where

825
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the inspiring text is coming from here.

826
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Does say something about the draft as a whole.

827
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 2>So it's a very deep draft class. You can find

828
00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:03.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot like well, Chilowski is not super exciting as

829
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>a one one. It was a fairly deep college back class.

830
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 2>It's a fairly deep college arm class, like you can

831
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>be excited about. I think college hitters and pitchers that

832
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>went like in the twenties and thirties here more than

833
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 2>you would in most years. But yeah, it was a

834
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it was a weird draft lift and as well as.

835
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I think here's what I think was weird about it.

836
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.440
<v Speaker 1>It was at one o'clock on a Saturday.

837
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was not thrilled about that.

838
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, a bunch of games were happening.

839
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, a bunch of games were happening, and the World

840
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Cup it ran into the They got the first forty

841
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 2>picks don before the England game at least. But yeah,

842
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 2>they don't. Also like they kicked out all the media

843
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 2>and started breaking down the set during the second round.

844
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 1>They also no players there for the second straight year.

845
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't. I don't know what the.

846
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 1>To be clear, I think this thing should be a

847
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>conference call.

848
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>So like, yeah, I know that doesn't if you are going.

849
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>They seem they seem to think it should be something

850
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.519
<v Speaker 1>and this is the weirdest way to behave if you

851
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 1>think it should be something, they.

852
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Don't actually like they think that they think that it

853
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 2>should be something, right, Like it's like they see, they

854
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 2>see what the NFL does, Like, we want this for us,

855
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.119
<v Speaker 2>but we also don't know how to do it or

856
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 2>want to put in a lot of effort. Yeah, the work,

857
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I think that costs money. And like there's still gonna

858
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 2>be inherent issue like like whatever. So, like the NBA

859
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 2>draft happened fairly recently, Like you know, the you know,

860
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>you can, like a j De Bonds is gonna start

861
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 2>for somebody wi the Wizards. But like they're like, whoever

862
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>you draft is going to start immediately, right.

863
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Cable Wilson is going to start for the Bulls, et cetera.

864
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like you know you can also you also

865
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>have like, you know, Jazz fans are going knocks over

866
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Darren Peterson's Summer League performances so far, which is like

867
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.119
<v Speaker 2>a normal thing that happens.

868
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of the top four picks, the top four picks

869
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 1>had insane to be debuts in in the I mean

870
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 1>it's summer league. Soever, they all did very well.

871
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the Jazz, the Jazz fans are already like

872
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>we don't have room for like Bryce sends the ball,

873
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:10.440
<v Speaker 2>what are we going to do? Like n sing not

874
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.360
<v Speaker 2>that good but also whatever, they're already penciling themselves in

875
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 2>for the Western Conference finals. Good, but you get that

876
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.840
<v Speaker 2>immediate like and also like like a lot of people

877
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 2>watch college basketball, a lot of people watch college football

878
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 2>even beyond the Okay, these guys will have some sort

879
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.440
<v Speaker 2>of immediate impact. Like I don't, like, you know, I

880
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>don't if I can come up and be like, you know,

881
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty five point game story. But like you can, like

882
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.559
<v Speaker 2>step On Castle and guys like that, right then come

883
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 2>up in the first couple of seasons and be major

884
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 2>contributors for you know, significant teams, and you don't have

885
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that in the MLB draft. And you also the problem

886
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 2>like even if college baseball and college baseball I think

887
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 2>is growing, it's audience pretty well, like the availability on

888
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 2>ESPN Plus and like the various conference networks. It's not

889
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot, right, Like it's not it's not Notre Dame

890
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 2>on NBC every Saturday afternoon, but it's it's something. But

891
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.039
<v Speaker 2>like Grady, I'm like, you can't like just know a

892
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.360
<v Speaker 2>lot about Grady Emerson unless you're a tree seco, right,

893
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Like even if you're watching the Combine and things like that,

894
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.719
<v Speaker 2>like you're not going to East Coast Pro or Area

895
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Code games or no.

896
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 1>But I would think if you want it, and again

897
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>this is not how I feel, but I think if

898
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>you wanted to take this the position that that is

899
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 1>what a draft telecasts and like making a big deal

900
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.239
<v Speaker 1>out of the draft would before, I think you could

901
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.519
<v Speaker 1>credibly make that case, right to do lead in stuff

902
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>to say like we're going to make a big deal

903
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>out out of our draft because people don't necessarily know

904
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:42.840
<v Speaker 1>all these they're going to know some of these guys.

905
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:44.719
<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna know all these guys, and it's our

906
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to show them.

907
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.760
<v Speaker 2>The other problems these guys. Is like, if you look

908
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>at these NFL and there there are just like NFL

909
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:59.719
<v Speaker 2>draft guys right, like mel kiper junior for you know,

910
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 2>this is happening more in the NBA now too, like

911
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the you know, basically base like baseball has these people

912
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 2>and they have gotten like you know, Carlos Calazo and

913
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Jim Kallas and last Pertzowski were all on the shows here,

914
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's still Dan O Doubt and Harold Reynolds right,

915
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.679
<v Speaker 2>And I like, I don't know what their prep is.

916
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they are.

917
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Parachuting Sparkley doing the college basketball.

918
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they are parachuting in the week of

919
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 2>and be like, who do I need to know about it?

920
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Instead of like building this And look, obviously Pipeline does

921
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>mock drafts and things like that and draft boards, but

922
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:33.400
<v Speaker 2>it's not.

923
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, you actually learned something when Jim Kallis talks and

924
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 1>you don't want anyone else and no offense obviously Carlos

925
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and those guys, but you know what I mean, like

926
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 1>these other guys.

927
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, And that's like part of it too. It's like

928
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you don't now to an extent, anyone tuning into this

929
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 2>is probably looking at draft boards and mock drafts before

930
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 2>the most people, not all people, most people tuning into it.

931
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't know. There, it's going to be

932
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 2>a very difficult bridge that they are not even trying

933
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 2>to build basically, the way I will put it.

934
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Look, I mean almost all draft like as a fan,

935
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>almost all draft experience is fatuous anyway, It's all right,

936
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 1>did my team win the draft? Did a guy like

937
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 1>my draft? That's all anybody reads like there.

938
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>It's even harder to do MLB draft trades versus other

939
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>sports because like in the NBA, like an NFL, you

940
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:31.199
<v Speaker 2>are drafting for need to an extent, yes, and MLB

941
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>you're just not.

942
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 1>But it's almost always influences, right, like if if you

943
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 1>have a point guard, sure, if you have a legit

944
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>point guard, you might not draft. Like, you know, I

945
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.679
<v Speaker 1>don't know if the Wizards ever really considered Darren Peterson

946
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 1>right because or whatever, but like they signed whether they

947
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>should have or not Trey Wow, yeah Young, thank you,

948
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Trey Young to a big deal. He's going to be

949
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>your point guard, right, you then don't draft a point

950
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:04.320
<v Speaker 1>guard to sit behind him because you're trying to get better. Right,

951
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 1>So like there's some influence there. Yes, it might not

952
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.199
<v Speaker 1>be the it's not even necessarily the primary concern.

953
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Right.

954
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>You can double up, you can move guys around, you

955
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 1>can play them off ball whatever.

956
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, if there's a generational point guard, but you probably

957
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>don't sign try Young if you know you already have

958
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the first overall pick.

959
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 1>But also like you, but but there's playing roster building there. Yeah,

960
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>there's not.

961
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 3>There's not, well and less even in football.

962
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, even in football, I think positional need

963
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>gets overrated pretty highly when it.

964
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Comes to draft unless you really need a quarterback.

965
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, unless you really need a quarterback.

966
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:37.880
<v Speaker 1>And then that is the same coin flip that is

967
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.480
<v Speaker 1>basically the baseball draft at that point, unless you're drafting

968
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>one the top five picks.

969
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, uh yeah, so don't.

970
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I think it's it's a problem that

971
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>base there's there's stuff that baseball.

972
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 3>Does wrong with its draft, and there's stuff that baseball cannot.

973
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Fix, right, And like the draft. For me, at least,

974
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.400
<v Speaker 2>my interest in the draft, such as it is, I know,

975
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.000
<v Speaker 2>outside of the professional I run it prospect evaluation vertical

976
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 2>is that I am interested in the sort of the

977
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:11.039
<v Speaker 2>philosophies and the process and how it plays out and

978
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.960
<v Speaker 2>figuring out what teams are thinking. Right, I don't get

979
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.039
<v Speaker 2>the immediate Like, first of all, you can't evaluate a

980
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:18.360
<v Speaker 2>draft to day up. I saw it like I don't

981
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 2>want to like call out a random person on Twitter.

982
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember who it was. Somebody sent it to me.

983
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.400
<v Speaker 2>But just like did draft grades gave the Brewers a D?

984
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And my thing is like if you think, if you

985
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 2>actually knew more than.

986
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 1>The Brewers philosophy is draft one of Evil's kids. That's there.

987
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>If you knew more than the Brewers draft room, you

988
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.639
<v Speaker 2>would be working for a team like they're one of

989
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the best at like aligning their draft to play Like

990
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:43.679
<v Speaker 2>like you know, I think and I look, I do

991
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 2>think there are gaps right, Like I'm not gonna some

992
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>of the philosophy is like this philosophy sucks. I don't

993
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>agree with it, and there's a long many years of

994
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 2>it not working. I don't know why you keep doing this.

995
00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>And some of this is because of their success, so

996
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.880
<v Speaker 1>they picked later and stuff like that. Right, but like

997
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 1>the Tyler Black didn't work out, Like all those weird

998
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>thing guys that seemed like they were making work, none

999
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>of them really have sure come through yet. Sure, I

1000
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 1>don't want to preclude it, right, it hasn't been that long.

1001
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Eric Botantis looked pretty good this year. But like, but

1002
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, they also they have a very clear philosophy

1003
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>where they're just going to give like two and a

1004
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.039
<v Speaker 2>half million dollars to five guys they're not going to

1005
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>really they picked later, but they're just around. They're scattering

1006
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.639
<v Speaker 2>money around you, and they're going to chake as many

1007
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 2>bites as the apple for their dad as they can.

1008
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>And like they have specific both hitting and pitching types

1009
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.719
<v Speaker 2>they like as well. But like doing a draft the

1010
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 2>day of is just not productive and you're going to

1011
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 2>be if you're doing it, you're probably too huge into

1012
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 2>your own draft board anyway. But that just sort of

1013
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:51.559
<v Speaker 2>like is what is emobie draft is? You know, I

1014
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Craig Tright, it can't just be a conference call.

1015
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I like, I mean I've I've tended I

1016
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't because it was the weekend, so like, but my

1017
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 1>favorite part back in the day was like I just

1018
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 1>threw on through on this conference call of rounds two

1019
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 1>through you know ten, and then ten through whatever, and

1020
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>it was just on all day and I got to

1021
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever and I would be at work. But it's just

1022
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 1>like listeners to a podcast basically, right.

1023
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't like they just do it on Wednesday night.

1024
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm doing on an off day. I don't And again,

1025
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do the whole rant, but like, again,

1026
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:27.880
<v Speaker 1>just make the Futures game because that's those guys are

1027
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be there, right, Like make the Future's game

1028
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.760
<v Speaker 1>your jewel, right instead of and but they don't. They

1029
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 1>hate the Futures Game. So whatever.

1030
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why that. I don't know why they

1031
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.559
<v Speaker 2>keep doing it other than I guess they need something

1032
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>to add to the All Star ticket package along with

1033
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>this sled. I guess the celebrity home run derby now for.

1034
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>You or whatever.

1035
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I will never one of my one of my favorite

1036
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 2>memories of my decade at Baseball Perspectus is sitting in

1037
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 2>the i know, like the press box lunch area in

1038
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Cleveland with Craig and Craig losing his mind as they

1039
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.159
<v Speaker 2>pre taped the Celebrity Softball game, because they kept saying

1040
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the same they kept saying the same things over and

1041
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.360
<v Speaker 2>over again because they only they clipped it so it

1042
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.360
<v Speaker 2>was only the ball in play for each hit her

1043
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 2>and the actually like six pitches long with them just

1044
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 2>all saying it was like I remember who it was.

1045
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was like Mendoza and uh I'm Mendoza

1046
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Rabbit and uh yeah Perez or something like that. Like

1047
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.559
<v Speaker 2>but it's like blah blah blah, Star of.

1048
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Real unlocked a memory.

1049
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Craig, just like cra like looking around, like we're just

1050
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:40.320
<v Speaker 2>sitting around, Like I.

1051
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Felt like I was in the twilight zone.

1052
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Because they're playing it on the TV. They saw it

1053
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like they're they have the live footage playing with like

1054
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 2>the broadcast, but obviously they chop it up for like

1055
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 2>because I think it runs.

1056
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I I think. I truly had no idea

1057
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>how much editing.

1058
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah went into the Celebrity Softball game.

1059
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 1>The Celebrity Softball.

1060
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Like more than anything. Did I hear that before?

1061
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1062
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.159
<v Speaker 1>No, I I it was like deja vus times a million,

1063
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>like I had Wow, I had completely blocked that out. Yeah,

1064
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that was very disoriented. I'm not that smart. You guys like,

1065
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to tell you.

1066
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, I like that product is not for me.

1067
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, I will say if banana ball is not

1068
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 3>for me, then certainly.

1069
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 2>The celebrity like, yeah, I mean they haven't like the draft.

1070
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.199
<v Speaker 1>That'll they'll just do That's that's the future path. They're

1071
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna do a banana bananas game during an All Star.

1072
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Probably yeah, but what.

1073
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Honestly probably good for both both.

1074
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:42.599
<v Speaker 3>It probably would be good for both parties. And what

1075
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.639
<v Speaker 3>I what I want though, Like every once in a

1076
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.159
<v Speaker 3>while people are like, you know, there's always the celebrity game,

1077
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 3>and then there's always people who want the skills competition.

1078
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, what I want is the celebrity skills stuff. I

1079
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 1>want Jason Alexander Cotton a rundown.

1080
00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just a twist.

1081
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.519
<v Speaker 1>I think I think we need this is I don't

1082
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 1>know how many people are familiar with Alex Kershner's theory

1083
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that he and a bunch of his friends could could

1084
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 1>execute a rundown on a professional on a professional baseball player,

1085
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>get like you need to get like a I think

1086
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what we need. I think we need pros versus

1087
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Joe's in certain scenarios needs like.

1088
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 2>A recently a fairly recently retired like good base runner.

1089
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

1090
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't Billy Hamilton. Get Billy Hamilton out.

1091
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:33.280
<v Speaker 1>That's not fair, Taylor. You know, honestly Austin Austin Slater

1092
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>is right there, just like, let's just get Austin.

1093
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I think he's someone a little faster than Austin's later.

1094
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:42.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you know what I mean, right like, just

1095
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.599
<v Speaker 1>like like I think a pros verse recently recently retired

1096
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 1>pros versus Joe's, i'd be I want to look Alex

1097
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.920
<v Speaker 1>is so confident, just getting.

1098
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Over the whoever the Angels have dfa last at them

1099
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.639
<v Speaker 2>where it's like Rice Head Chris.

1100
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Taylor, Chris Taylor, I mean very slow. People think he's

1101
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:04.960
<v Speaker 1>not slow.

1102
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Very who's the the in fielder.

1103
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>That this is Adam Fraser's job as soon as he

1104
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you need someone as soon as he gets cut. It's

1105
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:13.960
<v Speaker 1>not an.

1106
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Average runner, Frasier, I don't think and run well anymore.

1107
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:21.519
<v Speaker 2>And make him do like I don't. He's not a

1108
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.639
<v Speaker 2>great runner. Make him try to get hobby bias.

1109
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 3>What's Nick Madrigal doing these days?

1110
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:31.280
<v Speaker 2>He's actually the Angels Angels, the.

1111
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:35.159
<v Speaker 3>Race minor league system right now, the race scarcia.

1112
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, he can run. He can run. Also, there's

1113
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:40.639
<v Speaker 2>the fear that he can just truck you at any

1114
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:41.119
<v Speaker 2>point in time.

1115
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I think that should be to stare down.

1116
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I think that should be present. That should be a

1117
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 1>fear that's going to influence a wild throw. Okay, No,

1118
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that would.

1119
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Be who's the widest good runner? The why for like

1120
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.000
<v Speaker 2>throwing purposes? Who is the widest good runner?

1121
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Probably like one of these athletic catchers.

1122
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Right now, Milton Varshow is pretty wide. I feel like

1123
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 2>he's definitely like, yeah, he's stocked. I guess he's more stock,

1124
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:12.119
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, he's squat.

1125
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Varshow could run. Yeah, I mean that's not I

1126
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:17.159
<v Speaker 1>mean he plays center field.

1127
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:18.280
<v Speaker 2>I know he played center field.

1128
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:20.639
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm I'm thinking I said catcher like I was, Like,

1129
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean he was.

1130
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 2>He was a catcher. That's why I thought he was

1131
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.000
<v Speaker 2>all right, let's look, hang.

1132
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>On, back on track to the draft. There were no

1133
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 1>real surprises in the top four.

1134
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Hang on, I want to look at sprint speed leader

1135
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 2>so I can see the widest fast running. Then I

1136
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 2>think the widest fast runner. Garrett Mitchell is not that wide. No, gangly,

1137
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.800
<v Speaker 2>he's gangly. Yeah, A j Ewing is like like thirtier

1138
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:50.519
<v Speaker 2>than you think, but he's also I would not describe

1139
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:56.960
<v Speaker 2>him as wide. I think the widest.

1140
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Luis Robert is a good runner, and he's pretty broad.

1141
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.239
<v Speaker 2>He's pretty broad. Yeah, yeah, you'd also get hurt. He

1142
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 2>would not be allowed to do it. I think the

1143
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:12.719
<v Speaker 2>answer is actually Joey Artis Joey. He's st stocky. He

1144
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.000
<v Speaker 2>is a stocky dude. He's also got twenty nine but

1145
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:21.519
<v Speaker 2>very good. Dylan Cruz, Yeah, Cruise was about when I

1146
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:21.880
<v Speaker 2>saw that.

1147
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.159
<v Speaker 1>That's got broad shoulders.

1148
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 2>He does. Brenton Doyle's relatively wide.

1149
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're naming like guys I think of

1150
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>as extremely athletic center fielders.

1151
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they're still like they're not like they're not

1152
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:40.960
<v Speaker 2>built like justin Crawford though, either something and I need.

1153
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:42.280
<v Speaker 1>To go Joey Joey Weimer.

1154
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Joey Weimer is just tall. I mean he's a big guy,

1155
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:46.239
<v Speaker 2>but he's just tall.

1156
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:48.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking broad shoulders.

1157
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking like built like a fire hydrant.

1158
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:52.400
<v Speaker 3>More.

1159
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I got it.

1160
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Then at Langford, Jason Dominguez oh ye, yeah, you had a.

1161
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Better chance to get it over his head. But like

1162
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Jason Dimnez, also a guy that might hurt himself doing that.

1163
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, now I'll try and get us back

1164
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>on track again. The top four of the draft went

1165
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty as expected, and then.

1166
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Then the Pirates, then the Pirates, and.

1167
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:22.960
<v Speaker 1>The Pirates, but the Pirates generally, I.

1168
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Thought, it's fine, this is a very Pirates pick too.

1169
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:34.960
<v Speaker 2>It's like a decent hitting college center fielder that can

1170
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 2>probably play center. But it's like the most like this

1171
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.760
<v Speaker 2>is the one where it's like, okay, that's not very exciting,

1172
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:49.239
<v Speaker 2>where the outcome is like, yeah, there's some of there's

1173
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:51.159
<v Speaker 2>some Michael lay Taylor since we already just mentioned him,

1174
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:56.039
<v Speaker 2>there's a Michael Taylor here where I think he'll be

1175
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:02.400
<v Speaker 2>like a major leaguer and are reasonably good one and

1176
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.199
<v Speaker 2>should move quickly. But also like if he if it's

1177
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Speaker 2>not a plus hit tool, like this is just not

1178
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:08.239
<v Speaker 2>really that.

1179
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:13.119
<v Speaker 1>So just just for reference, and I think people should

1180
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 1>go back to our final a big board that we

1181
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:19.840
<v Speaker 1>had he was Curry all was.

1182
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Fifteenth yep, and again I assume he is. He might

1183
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.400
<v Speaker 2>get something close to the fifteenth slot, but also like

1184
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.360
<v Speaker 2>I feel like if you are going to do this

1185
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of cut, you should at least be swinging for

1186
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:32.039
<v Speaker 2>a little more outside.

1187
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And and by the way, I mean this has.

1188
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 2>This has a little bit of like one hundred dozer

1189
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:38.239
<v Speaker 2>vibes to me.

1190
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and not sin too, dar Horne, As you said,

1191
01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 1>this was as expected, but like our big board did

1192
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 1>go Chelaski, Emerson, Lackey Flora to start with with several EJ.

1193
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Booth was was seventh, he went seventh. You know this.

1194
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.599
<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of hits in this. Yeah, and

1195
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:04.039
<v Speaker 1>again this was not a projection. This is just our

1196
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.920
<v Speaker 1>big board. But to give you some sense, and again

1197
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.079
<v Speaker 1>fifteen to five is not necessarily always as big as

1198
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:14.159
<v Speaker 1>it seems. They're going to send her spread the money around,

1199
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:19.159
<v Speaker 1>so be it. Other draft surprises.

1200
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Surprises sounded like the.

1201
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.199
<v Speaker 1>First one that really caused consternation early was the Red

1202
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Sox and Jake Schaffner.

1203
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again they end up signing Martin Schallar and

1204
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the Nines. Who's going to take most of that, if

1205
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.119
<v Speaker 2>not all of that? Bonus Cod and Adam was a

1206
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:35.079
<v Speaker 2>high first round pick.

1207
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Schalar for for reference for people, Schalar was our thirteenth

1208
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:41.880
<v Speaker 1>overall on our big board, and the Red Sox took

1209
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:42.320
<v Speaker 1>them in the night.

1210
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:43.800
<v Speaker 2>That's the hell of a float too, because they got

1211
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:47.559
<v Speaker 2>all the college guys they wanted in between basically as well,

1212
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:50.559
<v Speaker 2>that's why you picked clar later. So the college guys

1213
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.880
<v Speaker 2>that might go off and around, you know, push them

1214
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.400
<v Speaker 2>back off your board and.

1215
01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:57.679
<v Speaker 3>Like that.

1216
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Hand the like, look that was a reach at twenty.

1217
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:04.159
<v Speaker 2>He is also a guy that if you get him

1218
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:06.199
<v Speaker 2>a little more batspeed in twitch, could be a really

1219
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.039
<v Speaker 2>good player, and that is something the Red Sox are

1220
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:08.679
<v Speaker 2>very good at.

1221
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it did. It was Yeah, people

1222
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 1>were reacting to it.

1223
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 3>People reacted to the justin Lebron.

1224
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah Lebron, and mostly take up Lombard dropping. But like also,

1225
01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:28.599
<v Speaker 2>this is not a surprise to me or our draft

1226
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:29.880
<v Speaker 2>team that those two guys.

1227
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Specifically dropped, Like yeah, well I would again, I recommend

1228
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 1>reading the write up on Lombard because it details a

1229
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:39.599
<v Speaker 1>lot of.

1230
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Look I like, I think if you're the Marlins, you

1231
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:44.280
<v Speaker 2>got to take him there, like you take him there,

1232
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.159
<v Speaker 2>you take the swing at that point if he falls

1233
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to you, just because of the upside Lebron, even Lebron

1234
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:53.880
<v Speaker 2>where he was picked. Like, again, nobody on our draft

1235
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.440
<v Speaker 2>team thinks he will hit. He did not hit in

1236
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the SEC this year. Especially. You know, we will see

1237
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.440
<v Speaker 2>how that goes from there, basically. But I also get

1238
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:04.159
<v Speaker 2>like there is enough upside and you can even argue

1239
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:06.480
<v Speaker 2>enough floor with the defense and the power. But you

1240
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 2>would have also said the same thing about Vance Honeycutt,

1241
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know. I Vance honeycut is getting to

1242
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the majors.

1243
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:18.679
<v Speaker 1>So right, Logan Hughes went earlier than Yeah, Again, the

1244
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:20.000
<v Speaker 1>gaps here are not substantial.

1245
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I saw Logan Hughes because when he came to town

1246
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:29.119
<v Speaker 2>along with Caden Ferraro, I think went around three to

1247
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals, round three or four, and I think round four,

1248
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I think he took Williams seven three.

1249
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1250
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.480
<v Speaker 2>And I did not think, I will say this, I

1251
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.480
<v Speaker 2>did not think the gap between Logan Hughes and Kiden

1252
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Ferro was you know, seventy pigs worth or whatever. I

1253
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.840
<v Speaker 2>thought they were broadly that Hughes as a better defender

1254
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.599
<v Speaker 2>in that he can play corner outfield. But I don't

1255
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:52.880
<v Speaker 2>think there's a huge gap there.

1256
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:58.599
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I will say the the other one that

1257
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:00.639
<v Speaker 1>that I saw people react. I think so it might

1258
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:02.519
<v Speaker 1>just be my feet is filled with a lot of

1259
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Mets fans. Was Carson Wiggins.

1260
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<v Speaker 2>Uh, this is if you want to be generous to

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<v Speaker 2>this Mets draft, which I don't particularly and Jared even

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<v Speaker 2>less so. Uh. The Mets are just going to have

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<v Speaker 2>more information about Carson Wiggins than anyone else at this

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<v Speaker 2>point because they have his medicals. He threw on the

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<v Speaker 2>side for them. You know, he did not pitch obviously

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<v Speaker 2>at Arkansas, much to the consternation of Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also just for reference for people. That's Jackson Wiggins. Yes,

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01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 1>the Cubs prospect who is hurt a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>He Carson Wiggins has been hurt for the last thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, that's kind of what I was what I

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01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:41.239
<v Speaker 1>was going for. Uh, it's his brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, he is going to be a He's also going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a REASONAB basically can cut at that pick.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also paid it forward for Aiden Robbinson third,

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01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:54.159
<v Speaker 2>which is not again like, look, they took Aiden Robbins

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01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.000
<v Speaker 2>fifty spots after we ranked him, but he's also not

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01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:59.960
<v Speaker 2>necessarily a guy you want to be like flow.

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01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a couple other things I will I will mention. Uh,

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01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:13.360
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers didn't pick until forty they took bo Bo.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it lower allowance?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

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01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just Lawrence, but it spelled.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence but with an oh in the yeah, which is

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01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:25.760
<v Speaker 1>right around where we had him. That was, but that

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01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:27.880
<v Speaker 1>was just their first pick because they dropped. The Mets

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01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:28.719
<v Speaker 1>dropped to right.

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<v Speaker 2>They were Mets drop ten spots. Yeah, so did the

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<v Speaker 2>Phillies I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, the Phillies took Tyler Spangler. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was just gonna say the White Sox generally, I mean,

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01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can nitpick Chilawski, but people seem to

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<v Speaker 1>like what they came away with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's they had twenty million dollars to

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01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 2>spend or whatever. It was, right, they had a huge

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01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:51.280
<v Speaker 2>bull and like I even thinking of her best worst drafts,

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<v Speaker 2>best or worst drafts, I loved the Cardinals drafts. And

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<v Speaker 2>again they had a ton of money to spend. They

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<v Speaker 2>traded for two cop picks in the and to Donovan

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<v Speaker 2>Dio and they had I think a competitive balance pick

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<v Speaker 2>of their own.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know, I'm just gonna shout this out because Jarrett,

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01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:09.960
<v Speaker 1>really it's well our team, I guess, I don't know.

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01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I felt like it was Jared really liked Chris Hcopian

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01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:17.480
<v Speaker 1>for the Nationals. Yes, and I'll shout them out because Rockville, Maryland, Yeah,

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01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.440
<v Speaker 1>gives the Nationals too. Get I guess I don't know

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01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:21.039
<v Speaker 1>their whole system.

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01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Again, Trevor Conton, Tikan Kun's I'm surprised.

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01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:26.280
<v Speaker 1>The Cardinals got Trevor Conton and which.

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01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I think are great picks of those spots.

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01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:30.719
<v Speaker 1>And then as phenomenal named Rocko Amunta Scalza.

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01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, then they picked all my every big twelve guy

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01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:35.960
<v Speaker 2>that came through. They picked Andrew Williams, and they picked

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01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Cayden Ferraro. They picked the ASU pitcher too, I think

1314
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the su or Arizona. But uh yeah, I think they

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01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.159
<v Speaker 2>just had a really good draft and again they had

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01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the luxury the flexibility to really.

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01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Push.

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01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:53.880
<v Speaker 2>But I think they also like and again I don't

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01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.599
<v Speaker 2>think they did crazy like full manipulation stuff with these picks.

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01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I think they just got good value ever where they picked.

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01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, and they and they had, like you said,

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01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:05.119
<v Speaker 1>they had the budget to just take guys yeah right right,

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01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:10.639
<v Speaker 1>and and get good value there. So I think that

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01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.639
<v Speaker 1>covers it for us. Why don't we take a break

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<v Speaker 1>and we can come back with the rest of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to episode five hundred and sixty two of

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01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:46.880
<v Speaker 1>five and five. We're on segment three. We might actually

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01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:50.039
<v Speaker 1>hear from Patrick at some point on this podcast. It's

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01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:56.960
<v Speaker 1>been it hasn't been. Patrick areas of concern on this one.

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01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say that the Maryor's selected at a

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01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.639
<v Speaker 1>res and the only reason I noticed is because for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, Angel Reese was being cocked about a lot

1333
01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 1>on the timeline at that exact moment when the draft came,

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01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:09.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, the pick came very confusing. It was it

1335
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was a little confusing. I kept forgetting Ace's name because

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01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, there already is one. Also, the thing about is.

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01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:19.840
<v Speaker 3>That his middle name is Douglas, and I think that

1338
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 3>when he disappoints you, I think that's exactly.

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01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:29.880
<v Speaker 1>We'll go to our third segment. Rumor has it the

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<v Speaker 1>Marlins are buying Yep, yeah, they should be.

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01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.359
<v Speaker 3>After spending two years not trading Sandy al Kantara, they're

1342
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:38.359
<v Speaker 3>going to continue not trading Sandy al Kantar.

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01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Yep, sure, yeah, yeah.

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01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Basically by the Guardians. Like again, I think we we

1345
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:50.399
<v Speaker 2>discussed on the last show. I do not think this

1346
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:54.119
<v Speaker 2>is a good team, but they are also close enough

1347
01:08:54.720 --> 01:09:00.159
<v Speaker 2>to the playoffs that they should be buying. Yeah, like,

1348
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:01.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't know if you're gonna be going.

1349
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:03.359
<v Speaker 1>The four back of the They got swept, but they're

1350
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:05.199
<v Speaker 1>stole only four back of the division.

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01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Like unlike the Dodgers. Let me mention that. But the

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01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Marlins do have way more information about how competitive they

1353
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 2>are in twenty twenty six versus twenty twenty eight. I

1354
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:13.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know if to see will be any good in

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01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:14.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty what.

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01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you think? So, Okay, the Marlins are gonna be buying,

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01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:19.279
<v Speaker 1>but what are they gonna be buying?

1358
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.560
<v Speaker 2>They need a starter badly, like anyty like they could.

1359
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:27.760
<v Speaker 2>They need a number four starter that is not Tyler Phillips.

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01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's available?

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01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:32.960
<v Speaker 3>And they need a third basement so that they can

1362
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:35.000
<v Speaker 3>free up Hoavi or so they had to be a

1363
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:38.920
<v Speaker 3>utility guy, right, So there was a perfectly okay player,

1364
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:41.039
<v Speaker 3>but he shouldn't be your starting third base.

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01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:46.560
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm not disagreeing with any of this. What's available?

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01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:50.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're again we've talked about this. I don't

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01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:53.039
<v Speaker 1>think Detroit is now six and a half back of

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01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the division. I don't think that they're gonna and I

1369
01:09:55.600 --> 01:10:00.359
<v Speaker 1>don't think they should. So, so who's selling h Royals

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01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.319
<v Speaker 1>are going to sell. But as our next item, know

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<v Speaker 1>if you want they want to, Yeah, I'm gonna fold

1372
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.479
<v Speaker 1>it in. The Royals want a lot for Michael Waka

1373
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:10.119
<v Speaker 1>and Seth Luca.

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01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:12.560
<v Speaker 2>The Marlins could really use Michael walk.

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01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 1>No, I agree. Should they trade a lot for him?

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01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't again, no, they should not trade a lot

1377
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:20.439
<v Speaker 2>for him. I do not know what the Royals consider

1378
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:22.439
<v Speaker 2>a lot. That's the part of this.

1379
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I also don't know. I mean the Mets. The

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01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Mets might make someone available.

1381
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, par Alta is definitely available, like the Moilds

1382
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.159
<v Speaker 2>could trade. Trading for Freddy. Parolta is not the worst.

1383
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Not a bad idea. I don't know what they give up.

1384
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:37.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, it looks like a shorter term rental,

1385
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.880
<v Speaker 2>so it probably won't cost as much as Michael Waka

1386
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.399
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, like.

1387
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:43.960
<v Speaker 1>He also has I think Patrick said last pod like

1388
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Brady Singer.

1389
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Brady Singer bitch is hurt right now.

1390
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Again, singers in Cincinnati to.

1391
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Be I know, but I'm just thinking about other Royals. Yeah,

1392
01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.319
<v Speaker 2>I know, Singer was also a Royal himself.

1393
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean could you get Ryan Feltner from the Rockies

1394
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:02.039
<v Speaker 1>right now?

1395
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:05.479
<v Speaker 2>Probably pretty good? Pretty good, Like obviously that's a that's

1396
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:08.239
<v Speaker 2>a much nicer home park for him to pitch in

1397
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:11.199
<v Speaker 2>than Corey's too, given his right, given his skill set.

1398
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it is difficult to find.

1399
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.800
<v Speaker 1>UH sellers selling But like, do they have anyone?

1400
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Like the Orioles. Probably should, He's been very good lately.

1401
01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:25.560
<v Speaker 2>The Oriols would consider flipping Trevor Rodgers as a rental,

1402
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:29.119
<v Speaker 2>but they're also enough they're not going to do it right.

1403
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:33.399
<v Speaker 2>They're buying the Mets don't really like they traded Peterson

1404
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:35.560
<v Speaker 2>who the Marlins? Frankly, I know he's good for Chicago,

1405
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:38.600
<v Speaker 2>but the Marlins could have used I don't know if

1406
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:42.399
<v Speaker 2>they're going to make another. I guess Clay Holmes might

1407
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.800
<v Speaker 2>be available one here. He's probably going to make a

1408
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.159
<v Speaker 2>major league start or two before the trade deadline. He

1409
01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:52.600
<v Speaker 2>does have a opt out, a one year opt out,

1410
01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:55.199
<v Speaker 2>but it's not a lot of money, like it's it's

1411
01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:58.319
<v Speaker 2>an it's a low enough guarantee. I think you can

1412
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:03.239
<v Speaker 2>make it work. Like he's unlikely to opt in unless

1413
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:06.560
<v Speaker 2>he has like a catastrophic injury in the next three months. Uh,

1414
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and even then I do like so it's like one

1415
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:10.479
<v Speaker 2>in thirteen.

1416
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:16.279
<v Speaker 1>The thing about this is like it screams like we're

1417
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna acquire Tyler Molly. Yeah, and and hope he's been

1418
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.479
<v Speaker 1>better Robbie. That's what this entire trade deadline feels like.

1419
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:27.680
<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna poney up for a short thing. And

1420
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying for the Marlins specifically, I'm saying for everybody.

1421
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.199
<v Speaker 1>It's just gonna be like we're gonna take someone else's trash.

1422
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:36.279
<v Speaker 2>And I hope it's trade deadline POD is still gonna

1423
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:37.399
<v Speaker 2>be three and a half hours long.

1424
01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:39.039
<v Speaker 3>There's gonna be a lot of trades.

1425
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:40.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of trades, and they're all gonna be.

1426
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Like gonna I'm talking about like Lucas or sag.

1427
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:46.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

1429
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think it's gonna be like we're gonna

1430
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.079
<v Speaker 1>try and turn trash into treasure. It's just we're gonna

1431
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.560
<v Speaker 1>take trash and hope it's less trash.

1432
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.119
<v Speaker 3>And if the Marlin's on a third baseman, they're getting trash.

1433
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:02.439
<v Speaker 3>There's yeah, I mean, there is not a third basement

1434
01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:03.039
<v Speaker 3>on the market.

1435
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Package. Brett Baby and.

1436
01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Ret Baby is actually one of the Betts. Yeah, I know.

1437
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Anyho Suarez has struck out thirteen times in his last

1438
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 3>twenty one plate appearances.

1439
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Has that raised for the season.

1440
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:23.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's there's like there's certain positions where there just

1441
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:27.079
<v Speaker 3>aren't anybody right, and unfortunately it's several of the positions

1442
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:29.520
<v Speaker 3>the Marlins need there are And.

1443
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Also like the Royals are selling, they're not going to

1444
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:37.319
<v Speaker 1>sell Mike Calgarcia, yeah, right, Like the Rockies don't have

1445
01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:45.479
<v Speaker 1>a third basement. It's Kyle Carros right, Like I don't know,

1446
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the Angels don't have a third baseman.

1447
01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:52.760
<v Speaker 3>No, leon Mancatta is you know, hurt again. You know

1448
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.079
<v Speaker 3>for a center field it's Harrison Dater. Like for the

1449
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:57.560
<v Speaker 3>millions time in a row, Harrison Vader is the center

1450
01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:00.000
<v Speaker 3>fielder around. He's on the aisle right now. He's also

1451
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:03.680
<v Speaker 3>not good. He's got a one ninety eight opp eleven

1452
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:04.760
<v Speaker 3>plate appearances this year.

1453
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:07.399
<v Speaker 1>That's just it's very swat. I mean, he's just not

1454
01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:09.680
<v Speaker 1>been able to get going right.

1455
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:11.520
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, you are.

1456
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.760
<v Speaker 1>You are essentially like you're not even trading for a

1457
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:17.439
<v Speaker 1>better player at the position, You're just trading for another

1458
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:20.439
<v Speaker 1>shot at something like you basically just have to have

1459
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:23.279
<v Speaker 1>a you have have to believe that the other guy

1460
01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:26.680
<v Speaker 1>has a better chance of positively resting than the guy

1461
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you have. Yeah, and I know this is the same discussion,

1462
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.760
<v Speaker 1>so I apologize. But like the Blue Jays aren't going

1463
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:36.279
<v Speaker 1>to sell, the Orioles have said they're not going to sell.

1464
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.960
<v Speaker 1>The Red Sox are now in third place in the ALE.

1465
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:41.920
<v Speaker 3>They're half a game out of the playoffs, right.

1466
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.960
<v Speaker 1>The top four teams in the Central are not in

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<v Speaker 1>the ALE Central and not going to sell. The Athletics

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01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.039
<v Speaker 1>and Angels might, but they don't really have anything. They

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01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:51.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have a ton to I mean, like maybe Redebtmers

1470
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:54.359
<v Speaker 1>if they make them available, right, but like outside of that,

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01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:58.640
<v Speaker 1>there's not a ton to offer. The top four teams

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01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.319
<v Speaker 1>in the NL East are not gonna I don't think

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01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the Nationals are gonna hard sell or anything like that.

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01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:07.079
<v Speaker 1>They're game under five hundred, and that's after a three

1475
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:12.600
<v Speaker 1>game losing streak. I don't the Central. It's only the Reds, right,

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01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.439
<v Speaker 1>and then and then the NL West and it's it's

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01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you could pick any of them, but

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01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.920
<v Speaker 1>like again, you go to third base. Nolan Eronado has

1479
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a no trade and has used it before. Uh, the

1480
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:27.039
<v Speaker 1>many Matada is not going anywhere. The Giants. Look, if

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01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:29.640
<v Speaker 1>they were gonna move Casey Schmidt, I'm sure they could

1482
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:31.399
<v Speaker 1>get a haul, but I don't think they're going to Well.

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01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:33.279
<v Speaker 3>They're just playing them in the outfield now. And he's

1484
01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:35.840
<v Speaker 3>a good hitter, yeah.

1485
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:37.920
<v Speaker 1>But he's a good fielder yeah. And I mean you

1486
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:39.680
<v Speaker 1>could play him on the infield, but like, I don't

1487
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:41.560
<v Speaker 1>think they're gonna move him. I mean, like these these

1488
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:45.000
<v Speaker 1>teams just like there's too many teams too close. Yeah,

1489
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:47.479
<v Speaker 1>And and the teams that are are far enough out

1490
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:50.279
<v Speaker 1>that maybe they shouldn't like the And again, I don't

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01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:51.680
<v Speaker 1>know that you can even say the Orioles and Blue

1492
01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Jays are far enough out. They're two and a half

1493
01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.560
<v Speaker 1>games out of a wildcard spot. But like they they

1494
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:00.199
<v Speaker 1>came in with enough expectations that they're they can't can't

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01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:02.319
<v Speaker 1>justifiably move off r.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we we we laughed about ja you joked

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01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.439
<v Speaker 3>about Jake luccarthy. He is one of the better options

1498
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:10.399
<v Speaker 3>I there right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mets are going to trade so many guys.

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01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's gonna hurt inside the park. Yeah, Yeah, it's

1501
01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:21.399
<v Speaker 3>gonna be weird deadline. If the Angels don't trade det Mers.

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01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:25.159
<v Speaker 3>It is really I mean, I understand why they don't

1503
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.239
<v Speaker 3>want to do it, but also like, doesn't it if

1504
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:29.640
<v Speaker 3>they don't say?

1505
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I guess they're bringing in a new GM,

1506
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and maybe you want a new GM and make the

1507
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:36.800
<v Speaker 2>trade he wants. But that's also never like.

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01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:40.000
<v Speaker 3>This is the moment, this is the moment.

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01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:45.039
<v Speaker 1>This is the moment, right, wouldn't literally everyone line up

1510
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:46.039
<v Speaker 1>for Redebtmers right now?

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01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they should probably trade s Riano too. Yeah, they're

1513
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:52.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna be bad anyway.

1514
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Yep, there's a lot of control left. I guess, not a.

1515
01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:59.399
<v Speaker 3>Lot, but the same as I think.

1516
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:01.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess he was a reliever for a while yet

1517
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:01.840
<v Speaker 2>a haul.

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01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, if you get a new GM, you can

1519
01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:07.640
<v Speaker 3>you can then flip those prospects if you don't like

1520
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.960
<v Speaker 3>the like you know, they're not.

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01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:12.800
<v Speaker 2>The Dodgers are interested, yes, and also look, I expect

1522
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:14.800
<v Speaker 2>whoever they hire is going to be at least somewhat

1523
01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:16.880
<v Speaker 2>philosophically aligned with John AZELI.

1524
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:18.920
<v Speaker 3>X, that's true. That's problem.

1525
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:22.840
<v Speaker 1>The last thing on rumor has it the Phillies are

1526
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:24.439
<v Speaker 1>interested in Guriel?

1527
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, look, they need they are just gonna they are

1528
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:34.760
<v Speaker 2>going to keep running through outfielders on like one year

1529
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:36.760
<v Speaker 2>twelve million dollars contracts, even if they have to trade

1530
01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:38.800
<v Speaker 2>for them, because that's what he has left.

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01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to around the horn. There was a trade.

1532
01:17:43.159 --> 01:17:45.880
<v Speaker 1>There was has trade deadline season kicked off.

1533
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:49.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean they had to do this trade before the draft.

1534
01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they did. Jacob Gonzales went and Jake Isaerc went

1535
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:58.319
<v Speaker 1>from the White Sox to the Pirates. For you've put

1536
01:17:58.439 --> 01:17:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Jay Woods, I don't know Jake.

1537
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I think it's Jake Woods. I think it's Brandonizer.

1538
01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I confused it. You're right, it is. I apologize Brandon

1539
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.000
<v Speaker 1>iSER and Jake Woods and perhaps most importantly certainly listed

1540
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:17.439
<v Speaker 1>ahead of Woods on the trade graphic pick thirty four.

1541
01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:20.439
<v Speaker 1>The Pirates, I think went from the Pirates to.

1542
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:23.439
<v Speaker 2>The Pirates wanted to get rid of this pick because

1543
01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:25.880
<v Speaker 2>it costs them money and they could trade it. They

1544
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:27.680
<v Speaker 2>can't trade there are the ones, so they have to

1545
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:30.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, actually pay out there.

1546
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:32.800
<v Speaker 1>But Bob Notting is running a tight ship over there.

1547
01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:35.600
<v Speaker 2>So the interesting thing to be for this is there

1548
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:37.079
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of reporting around, like a lot of

1549
01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:39.640
<v Speaker 2>teams were interested in this pick, as you should be.

1550
01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:41.720
<v Speaker 2>It gives you a ton of it.

1551
01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Gives you a pretty high pick and the pool to work.

1552
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Work right, you know, like the Mets specifically. I think

1553
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:51.479
<v Speaker 2>there's some reporting that Brooks Raley was that's like it's

1554
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:57.199
<v Speaker 2>a rental. That's a very good reliever, better than better

1555
01:18:57.239 --> 01:19:01.199
<v Speaker 2>than Brandon wind But like this became this Speci Civic deal.

1556
01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Construction immediately struck me as we just want years of control,

1557
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:10.239
<v Speaker 2>like we want to we want to make the team better.

1558
01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Like this is ostensibly a bytray, but we want years

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01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:13.800
<v Speaker 2>of control.

1560
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:17.520
<v Speaker 5>I think it's a patch, right, and it's like you

1562
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:22.199
<v Speaker 5>can patch like I think they said he's gonna play shortstop,

1563
01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:25.920
<v Speaker 5>which is even more is just an awful hasn't he

1564
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:26.840
<v Speaker 5>been like a first base?

1565
01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and not a particularly good one. He was drafted

1566
01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:32.399
<v Speaker 2>as a shortstop like nobody. I don't think anyone coming

1567
01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:34.840
<v Speaker 2>out of college thought he would stick long term as

1568
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:37.199
<v Speaker 2>a shortstop. Maybe at third base, but yes, he has

1569
01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:38.279
<v Speaker 2>mostly been a first baseman.

1570
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:43.159
<v Speaker 1>I think that's it. That's a rough.

1571
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's six years of Jacob Gonzalez's thing. Great, but that's like, yeah,

1572
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:52.159
<v Speaker 2>is he going to make our one? I don't know.

1573
01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:55.600
<v Speaker 2>But like instead of maximizing the return, they tried to

1574
01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:57.079
<v Speaker 2>maximize the years of control.

1575
01:19:57.119 --> 01:19:58.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's the other thing is like you mentioned Brooks

1576
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:02.319
<v Speaker 1>really like, yeah, they could really use Brooks Relly. Yes,

1577
01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:09.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what else I I don't know. I

1578
01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:11.840
<v Speaker 1>guess it's I. I liked this trade a lot for Chicago.

1579
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes is how and the arm they got from the

1580
01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:17.399
<v Speaker 2>pirates suit is an uninteresting on top of everything else.

1581
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:21.359
<v Speaker 1>And it was thirty four land and Tony or.

1582
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Was it the Yes, it was Landed. I got all

1583
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:25.279
<v Speaker 2>now it was land and tell.

1584
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Me, but couldn't.

1585
01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Uh, what's There were a lot of weird blood line

1586
01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:33.159
<v Speaker 2>picks in the stret.

1587
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:37.159
<v Speaker 1>A lot of blood line picks. J. J. Weatherholt gets

1588
01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:37.640
<v Speaker 1>an extension.

1589
01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Do you have the terms at eight one twelve point five?

1590
01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

1591
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I think you So it's good again.

1592
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.359
<v Speaker 1>With slot in right among around these ones.

1593
01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:49.560
<v Speaker 2>This is like the benchmark if you're trying to expense.

1594
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:51.359
<v Speaker 1>It's below Connor Griffin.

1595
01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:54.399
<v Speaker 2>Griffin was a better Was that.

1596
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:56.479
<v Speaker 1>One forty?

1597
01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think it was nine? Yeah, you know this

1598
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:02.520
<v Speaker 2>is but yeah, you have the framework now like for

1599
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:06.479
<v Speaker 2>McGonagall signed one, didn't.

1600
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>He McGonagall did sign one?

1601
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I think around around Yeah, so again that you're starting

1602
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:13.319
<v Speaker 2>to see the the range of the if you want

1603
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:15.039
<v Speaker 2>to if you want to extend a j ewing, you know,

1604
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.880
<v Speaker 2>it's probably gonna be like eight one oh five, right,

1605
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Like we're getting into the there's a framework now for

1606
01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:21.760
<v Speaker 2>these kinds of.

1607
01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Is agent Ewan in that, I mean, probably a little

1608
01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:26.079
<v Speaker 1>less maybe, right.

1609
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think if he was if he was, look,

1610
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:29.079
<v Speaker 2>if you're si in the miners to be a top

1611
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:31.079
<v Speaker 2>ten prospect in mid season, so we'd be around whether

1612
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the whole was Obviously he's done in the majors, which

1613
01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:34.680
<v Speaker 2>is even I'm.

1614
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Sorry McGonagall was eight one fifty.

1615
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Just look, there's gonna be different risk tolerance for teams

1616
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and players. You know, the agents are gonna do what

1617
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the agents are going to do. They're going to do

1618
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:49.680
<v Speaker 2>work and like get what they can get. But yeah,

1619
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:50.199
<v Speaker 2>like I think I was.

1620
01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Gonna say, I thought this was a pretty nice deal

1621
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:56.840
<v Speaker 1>for the Cardinals at those he's been good in the

1622
01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 1>majors usually that.

1623
01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, he is a little bit older. He's already

1624
01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:03.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, which I think right says him to started

1625
01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>this too. But they're also you know, they've got his

1626
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:08.119
<v Speaker 2>age twenty four through thirty one seasons, which is and

1627
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like you know, he's say, he's a good second baseman,

1628
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.359
<v Speaker 2>but he's not like super athletics, so you really don't

1629
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.239
<v Speaker 2>want to This is like exactly the years you would

1630
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:17.319
<v Speaker 2>want of JJ weatherhold I suspect.

1631
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought, I thought it was a nice deal

1632
01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:25.119
<v Speaker 1>for for Saint Louis and I you know, you understand, Yeah,

1633
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Weatherholds had some some hamstring injuries, various things, so like

1634
01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you you understand.

1635
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:31.760
<v Speaker 2>He did get a big bonus. But yeah, it's still

1636
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:34.199
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's hard to turn down on. Look, if

1637
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:36.720
<v Speaker 2>he's really good, like he's hitting free agency again at

1638
01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:39.560
<v Speaker 2>thirty after his age thirty one season, it's not like

1639
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:41.359
<v Speaker 2>he's older. But it's not like he can't get a

1640
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>five year million.

1641
01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.439
<v Speaker 1>Dollars in a war based incentives.

1642
01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:48.680
<v Speaker 2>How he's gonna win. I don't think. I wonder if

1643
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Fanel Rookie of the Year is one of them, because

1644
01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:50.920
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna win it.

1645
01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I assume it is. I'm sure, I'm sure it's

1646
01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:57.199
<v Speaker 1>not all of it, right, but I assume.

1647
01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:00.439
<v Speaker 2>There's a Okay, Yeah, In.

1648
01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Very different news, the Dusan Bears, Patrick, do you can

1649
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>guess I put this.

1650
01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:10.560
<v Speaker 3>On the dog yeah, this is so this is a

1651
01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:14.760
<v Speaker 3>continuation of the Jake Cave note from a couple of

1652
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:18.079
<v Speaker 3>weeks ago. So the j Cave recently signed the minor

1653
01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:20.520
<v Speaker 3>minor league deal with the Rays because he was not

1654
01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:23.119
<v Speaker 3>allowed to go back to the KBO, because the Dusan

1655
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Bears decided they needed upgrade from j Cave to Dansk

1656
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:30.600
<v Speaker 3>Cameron because j Cave wanted like a two hundred thousand

1657
01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:35.720
<v Speaker 3>dollars raised or something. And so now Duson has now

1658
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:38.000
<v Speaker 3>cut Dask Cameron, who was still hitting well, but I

1659
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:41.159
<v Speaker 3>think he had started off hot and a cool down,

1660
01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:45.159
<v Speaker 3>and so the Bears currently do not have a foreign hitter.

1661
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:47.359
<v Speaker 3>They've also cut one of their pictures. I can't remember

1662
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:50.399
<v Speaker 3>which one it was, Chris Flexen. They cut Chris Flexen

1663
01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:54.119
<v Speaker 3>who was not doing well as the Bears are currently

1664
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:56.520
<v Speaker 3>in fifth place, and fifth place in the KBO is

1665
01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:59.319
<v Speaker 3>technically a playoff position, but not.

1666
01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Cut first one then the stop ladder or whatever.

1667
01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the first one step ladder. You know, Frank

1668
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:07.600
<v Speaker 3>teams have never won the KBO, so they're trying to

1669
01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:09.600
<v Speaker 3>make a push and so they have decided desperation is

1670
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:14.600
<v Speaker 3>the way to go. So yeah, I just it's just

1671
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:16.920
<v Speaker 3>just a little drama. I'm curious as to who is

1672
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:19.039
<v Speaker 3>gonna go to do something at this point a certain point,

1673
01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:21.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, for players who are it's a.

1674
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:26.000
<v Speaker 6>Little here, it's a little different editors, because hitters, it

1675
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:30.000
<v Speaker 6>hasn't been a pipeline for like remaking oneself as a

1676
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:31.439
<v Speaker 6>hitters for pictures.

1677
01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:34.600
<v Speaker 2>But Jared Young had some quotes recently. They asked him

1678
01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:37.640
<v Speaker 2>to change anything in Korea and he's like, no, not

1679
01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:40.800
<v Speaker 2>really like us. I saw like a broader variety of

1680
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>pitches and speeds and things like that, but like I

1681
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:45.520
<v Speaker 2>would like like Eric Thames, actually I think changed some

1682
01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:46.279
<v Speaker 2>stuff over there.

1683
01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:49.239
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, I can imagine like if you wanted

1684
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:52.439
<v Speaker 3>to try and just go a swing only and to

1685
01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:54.760
<v Speaker 3>see like can I can I make this work against?

1686
01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:57.720
<v Speaker 2>But then Ryan ward come on down. I guess you

1687
01:24:57.840 --> 01:24:59.239
<v Speaker 2>actually playing in the Major, like.

1688
01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:02.520
<v Speaker 1>You trying more? You should probably, but you're Ryan ward

1689
01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>types like Ryan Warden in five.

1690
01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Years maybe yeah, but then you know so so I'm

1691
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:11.880
<v Speaker 3>like at a certain point, like who wants to play

1692
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:14.760
<v Speaker 3>for a team that's so clearly willing to just completely

1693
01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:15.199
<v Speaker 3>And like.

1694
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:17.800
<v Speaker 2>The other thing is like you can go to the

1695
01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Mexican League and be closer to home, and like you're

1696
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe going to make as much, but it's going to

1697
01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>be close enough, and it's going to be a little more.

1698
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:26.840
<v Speaker 3>In the same time zone.

1699
01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That Oh, I didn't even realize. Oh jeez, I

1700
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say they could go get Adeline Rodriguez. I

1701
01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:35.960
<v Speaker 2>saw he was playing again, but he's already on Kia.

1702
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're doing well. So ye.

1703
01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Elsewhere. Jacob de Graham might need any Alston. He's got

1704
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>a hip injury.

1705
01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:47.840
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it sounds like for sure.

1706
01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:50.479
<v Speaker 1>There are some quotes he talks to the doctor. They said, basically,

1707
01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't really damage it more. It's about pain tolerance.

1708
01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:56.600
<v Speaker 2>We'll see they might give him. This is like a

1709
01:25:56.600 --> 01:26:00.399
<v Speaker 2>good time to give him a star making and just

1710
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:02.600
<v Speaker 2>like you can like skip a start or something like

1711
01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:04.159
<v Speaker 2>that and you push him back or whatever.

1712
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:04.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1713
01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh, the A's have placed Nick Kurtz and Zach Geloff

1714
01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>on the aisle. Uh. Geoff has elbow inflammation, Kurtz has

1715
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>a thumb spring and UH Kyle Kyle Harrison has left

1716
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>forearm tightness. Uh placed on the aisle. He said he

1717
01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.479
<v Speaker 1>already had a There was already an update that he

1718
01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>it was already feeling better. But yeah, never never what

1719
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:31.359
<v Speaker 1>you want to see.

1720
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:36.079
<v Speaker 2>This is just another I think reminder that much like

1721
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>the draft, you don't want to call it on trades

1722
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:41.479
<v Speaker 2>too early.

1723
01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:43.560
<v Speaker 3>M Like.

1724
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Urban and Siegler have both been like pretty good this year.

1725
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not saying no, that's fair.

1726
01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Harrison was very good.

1727
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:57.760
<v Speaker 2>He was, but like he also has left foearm.

1728
01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I don't know why my my

1729
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:03.079
<v Speaker 1>immediate reaction was to go to to jo Farry Rodriguez,

1730
01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:05.159
<v Speaker 1>but that was the twin Priester jail I got. I

1731
01:27:05.279 --> 01:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>just I got my Milwaukee Boston trades. Confused. That takes

1732
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:09.279
<v Speaker 1>us to her game.

1733
01:27:10.359 --> 01:27:12.840
<v Speaker 3>All right, so we're doing a ka it's been a month.

1734
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Uh we'll start off with a fun one. The gray Eagle,

1735
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:25.399
<v Speaker 3>no great Eagle, the gray Eagle. I will say, I've

1736
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:27.760
<v Speaker 3>never heard this nickname before. It is a famous player.

1737
01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:32.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like I thinking, like older guy, Well you

1738
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:33.479
<v Speaker 1>one would think.

1739
01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Ed Sprague is an Ed Sprague.

1740
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:38.800
<v Speaker 3>I know that's quite a name to pull out.

1741
01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I think of him as I get older, like I

1742
01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>just think of it. Maybe this when I started watching

1743
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Ed Sprague, he was already older.

1744
01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:49.119
<v Speaker 3>But uh, no is Tris Speaker maybe the most anonymous

1745
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:50.279
<v Speaker 3>great player in baseball.

1746
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>M I.

1747
01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>The thing about Tris Speaker is like, you know, one

1748
01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:56.760
<v Speaker 1>of the one the inner Circle Hall of Fame guy,

1749
01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:01.399
<v Speaker 1>no nickname other than the Great, the Great, which is

1750
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:04.760
<v Speaker 1>because he apparently had prematurely great Yeah.

1751
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Billy Hamilton isn't even the most famous Billy Hamilton.

1752
01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's just weird Tris Speaker, Like

1753
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:13.520
<v Speaker 3>there isn't I always feel this way about Stan Mussel,

1754
01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:14.840
<v Speaker 3>And then I look at his numbers and like, oh yeah,

1755
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.720
<v Speaker 3>I and Stan Musill like hit three thirty with four

1756
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:19.239
<v Speaker 3>home I something.

1757
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Tris Speaker had. Speakers thing was hits in a season

1758
01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>record for some period.

1759
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>It was George Sisler.

1760
01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Well I know it was Sisler, but I thought maybe not.

1761
01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I might have been a Speaker before

1762
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Sisler in like nineteen twenty right, yeah.

1763
01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you know, Speaker won one Hall you know, one

1764
01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.279
<v Speaker 3>one MVP. He led the league in more three times,

1765
01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:44.800
<v Speaker 3>like he was just basically the star before Ruth. You know,

1766
01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:48.000
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen sixteen he hit three eighty six four seventy

1767
01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>five h two and led the league in all three categories.

1768
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:56.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, like a legitimately great, great, great player. I

1769
01:28:56.439 --> 01:28:59.640
<v Speaker 3>think he still has the all time lead for doubles.

1770
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:05.920
<v Speaker 3>That the thing he is the most doubles in baseball history.

1771
01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>The gray Eagle on his plaque.

1772
01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:08.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Let's take a look.

1773
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1774
01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:10.760
<v Speaker 3>In the meantime, while I'm looking at that, you're number

1775
01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:13.119
<v Speaker 3>what next? One? Wonder Hamster.

1776
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Read before.

1777
01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:25.800
<v Speaker 3>I It does not, by the way says say that.

1778
01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:32.159
<v Speaker 1>But the thing about, the thing about, no, the thing

1779
01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>think about.

1780
01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I could see.

1781
01:29:34.359 --> 01:29:36.079
<v Speaker 2>I would have been shocked if he said yes.

1782
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:38.199
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't.

1783
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I did not think you were right.

1784
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I know that I've heard this before.

1785
01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:46.800
<v Speaker 3>H Yeah. He was also called the professional.

1786
01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:50.439
<v Speaker 2>Hitter that Shannon Stewart.

1787
01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:55.720
<v Speaker 3>Uh. And finally, his third nickname in case of emergency use,

1788
01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:02.720
<v Speaker 3>The answer is Matt Stairs.

1789
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Stairs.

1790
01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:07.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he was a pinch hitter. Yeah sure, yeah,

1791
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:11.479
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite. Yeah. No, and Matt Stairs just

1792
01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:15.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, people say his name is Wonderhamster because he

1793
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:17.000
<v Speaker 3>looks like a hamster. And I looked at a picture

1794
01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.920
<v Speaker 3>of him, like, that's a that is a regular you know,

1795
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:22.279
<v Speaker 3>big dude.

1796
01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Wonder Wonder Hamster should be a name. A thick running

1797
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:32.279
<v Speaker 1>back Maurice Jones Drew. Yeah, wonder Hamster.

1798
01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:37.960
<v Speaker 3>If trist Speaker's nickname is the gray Eagle, then that

1799
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:40.920
<v Speaker 3>insinuates that he only got that nickname once his hair

1800
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:44.239
<v Speaker 3>started graying, which you know if it was early, surely yeah,

1801
01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:45.399
<v Speaker 3>but like how early?

1802
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Right? Like he probably was thirty, right, Like if you

1803
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:52.479
<v Speaker 1>gray at thirty people in their twenties doesn't happen.

1804
01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:54.199
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't know when did When did trist Speakers say?

1805
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:56.680
<v Speaker 3>I just think like if it started at thirty, then

1806
01:30:56.720 --> 01:30:58.800
<v Speaker 3>like he spent the first decade of his career not

1807
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:01.800
<v Speaker 3>having an name of all. Maybe people just thought Tris

1808
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:04.079
<v Speaker 3>was enough of a nickname. Is name that were like

1809
01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:06.880
<v Speaker 3>just Tris, like you know what you're talking about. Maybe

1810
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:09.359
<v Speaker 3>it was just one of those first name guys, right,

1811
01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:12.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It still seems weird, all right. Next one,

1812
01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:15.119
<v Speaker 3>number three, the Brat.

1813
01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>I've heard this one too.

1814
01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:23.399
<v Speaker 3>He was also called muggsy and stinky. To give you

1815
01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>a sense of who this baseball player.

1816
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Was, No, yeah, I had my mind went to obviously

1817
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>we're in the wrong area of alphabet, but my mind

1818
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:40.319
<v Speaker 1>went to Adam Eaton, who was spanky. I definitely feel

1819
01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:43.079
<v Speaker 1>like I've heard the Bratt before.

1820
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Ed Sprague. They're gonna keep going with it.

1821
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:52.880
<v Speaker 3>I need to go look at what Ed Sprague's actual

1822
01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:53.520
<v Speaker 3>name was.

1823
01:31:55.359 --> 01:32:00.439
<v Speaker 7>All right, So no it is any stinky? Sure, yep,

1824
01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:04.520
<v Speaker 7>that makes a lot of sense, It does, allright. Number

1825
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:06.199
<v Speaker 7>four Pops.

1826
01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of I had did more

1827
01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:13.560
<v Speaker 2>than one here, but I don't have to think of

1828
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>like that.

1829
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1830
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.000
<v Speaker 3>This one assigned because of his leadership role on his

1831
01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:20.279
<v Speaker 3>team and played for one team for a long time

1832
01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:33.359
<v Speaker 3>and also a Hall of famers. M and Spragg did

1833
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:36.079
<v Speaker 3>not have a nickname. They showed up in the Baseball reference.

1834
01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Let me, let me, I got nothing today, Okay.

1835
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:50.079
<v Speaker 3>Uh, somebody the only person the only thing that came

1836
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:52.319
<v Speaker 3>up is someone said me and my brother used to

1837
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:58.479
<v Speaker 3>call Ed Sprague rally killer. Pops is really startle?

1838
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah up, yeah, absolutely all right.

1839
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Number five Bigfoot, also known by his friends in high

1840
01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:11.560
<v Speaker 3>school as Scantron, which I did not I was not

1841
01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:13.840
<v Speaker 3>able to find out why his nickname was Scantron, but

1842
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I love it. Final nickname Mike John Carlo scanning correct.

1843
01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:26.279
<v Speaker 3>Craig's on the board.

1844
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:28.800
<v Speaker 2>This tough.

1845
01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>This's tough going floating right now.

1846
01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:34.720
<v Speaker 3>It should get a little easier with some of them

1847
01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:38.560
<v Speaker 3>not all of them. The next one La grand orange.

1848
01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:39.319
<v Speaker 2>A rusty stop.

1849
01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's correct, nicely done.

1850
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Also one of my favorite nicknames. A lot of a

1851
01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:46.720
<v Speaker 3>lot of my favorite nicknames in this list, some really

1852
01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:49.159
<v Speaker 3>good ones. The grand Range is just fantastic.

1853
01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even it's not that's not not even right in French.

1854
01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like.

1855
01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>No, it's not. Next one, the Old Professor.

1856
01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>And Sprague the Old Professor, professor per oh, yeah, oh

1857
01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>this is okay. I've what's upsetting is I've definitely read

1858
01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>this in like a Stephen Goldman.

1859
01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:25.119
<v Speaker 3>You absolutely have possibly.

1860
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>The Casey ste.

1861
01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The thing is I was just like, oh, it's

1862
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it's and then I blank nt Yeah.

1863
01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:40.680
<v Speaker 3>All right, three to go. Jeff's up by one. Next one,

1864
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Art vandal A, No, I think this is going to

1865
01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:52.079
<v Speaker 3>be Art vandal A. Uh.

1866
01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:56.079
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say Wan Constanza, but we're in the

1867
01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:57.199
<v Speaker 1>wrong part of the alphabet.

1868
01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:00.119
<v Speaker 2>We're also producing Alexander too.

1869
01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, right, and and that's the thing. I think more

1870
01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:04.960
<v Speaker 3>and more we're going to see more nicknames based on this.

1871
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:08.000
<v Speaker 3>I believe that this basically is a nickname based on

1872
01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:12.560
<v Speaker 3>this player's alter ego when not playing baseball, when doing

1873
01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:15.680
<v Speaker 3>other activities. He uses this alias, and I think that

1874
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:17.640
<v Speaker 3>we're going to see this more with like, as more

1875
01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:23.239
<v Speaker 3>baseball players are on Twitch and and doing other things,

1876
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:25.920
<v Speaker 3>their tags on those things will become their nicknames.

1877
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea that, Okay.

1878
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:33.439
<v Speaker 3>This is Spencer Strider. Yeah, it's it's the it's the

1879
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:38.760
<v Speaker 3>name he uses when he plays poker and.

1880
01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:39.119
<v Speaker 1>And who wants to be my latex salesman.

1881
01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:48.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a Seinfeld reference. I don't know. Okay, next one

1882
01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:53.239
<v Speaker 3>chicken strip correct, Creig ties it up. I knew that.

1883
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.000
<v Speaker 3>I knew after after having so many Casey stengles, I

1884
01:35:58.039 --> 01:35:59.239
<v Speaker 3>was like, Oh, this one's gonna be a rough one

1885
01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:00.720
<v Speaker 3>for cragging. Give him ross.

1886
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I should have gotten stangled. That's that was the final one.

1887
01:36:05.239 --> 01:36:06.439
<v Speaker 1>This is the this is the one.

1888
01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Uh. Doctor Strange Glove. Oh, one of the most famous

1889
01:36:11.960 --> 01:36:13.159
<v Speaker 3>nicknames baseball history.

1890
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Has other nicknames, but they are all essentially They're all

1891
01:36:25.279 --> 01:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>essentially linked to the doctor Strange Glove nickname. He was

1892
01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>also called the Man with the Iron glove, stone fingers. Uh,

1893
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the uh, the don of first basemen of.

1894
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>His keithan Ron, especially Keith because.

1895
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>It feels like it was before my time.

1896
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.920
<v Speaker 3>It is before your time. But it's it's a nickname

1897
01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:50.760
<v Speaker 3>that his you know, it's lived on I mean Doctor

1898
01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Strangelove is from the nineteen sixties, so yes, it's before

1899
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:54.199
<v Speaker 3>your time.

1900
01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I don't Yeah, I don't know.

1901
01:36:57.720 --> 01:36:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he played in the nineteen sixties.

1902
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got no chance.

1903
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:04.239
<v Speaker 3>All right, Well it is Dick Stewart.

1904
01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:06.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who that is.

1905
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:09.560
<v Speaker 3>He has. Dick Stewart was the first baseman. He played

1906
01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:12.159
<v Speaker 3>for a bunch of teams, but most famously with the

1907
01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:15.039
<v Speaker 3>the Pirates early in his career. He made one All

1908
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Star game, was down ballot MDP three times. Yeah, he

1909
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:23.560
<v Speaker 3>was bad. He was bad. He had in basically, let's

1910
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:27.720
<v Speaker 3>see eleven games he had negative twelve defensive.

1911
01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>War That's really bad. It's hard to do, especially as

1912
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:34.479
<v Speaker 1>a first basement, as a first baseman. Yeah, you have

1913
01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:36.479
<v Speaker 1>to make it. Well, does that I mean that factors

1914
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:37.640
<v Speaker 1>in the penalty?

1915
01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:43.720
<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah, No, it doesn't factor in the penalty, doesn't. Well,

1916
01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:46.840
<v Speaker 3>wait me, I have to look. I can't remember if

1917
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:48.880
<v Speaker 3>b REF does it that way or not. I think

1918
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.239
<v Speaker 3>b REF does work it in the penalty for that,

1919
01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:53.840
<v Speaker 3>So okay, still bad, very bad.

1920
01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.119
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well I will I will take a salvage tie.

1921
01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not you know, no pride. I will absolutely take it.

1922
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.159
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1923
01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>listeners for joining us on another episode of five and

1924
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1925
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1926
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1929
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1930
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