Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty two of five and Dive.
Speaker 1: It's Monday, July thirteenth. I'm your host, Karat Goldstein, joined
Speaker 1: as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey Petter in ostro.
Speaker 1: This is where we do banter, and i'd ask how
Speaker 1: your weekends were. I'll note mine was terrible. Don't really
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. But Jeffrey, there's a fourth
Speaker 1: member of the pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am currently doing this podcast with a four
Speaker 2: month old puppy in my lab because we have a puppy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 1: Decisions were made.
Speaker 2: I finally got to the point where like everyone in
Speaker 2: the sort of immediate household was mostly self sufficient and
Speaker 2: could take care of themselves, and we decided that this
Speaker 2: cannot stand. This cannot stand you. It was very funny
Speaker 2: the my wife had started sending me photos of adoptable dogs,
Speaker 2: probably a few months ago m hm. And this is
Speaker 2: usually the start of our process, right, but like as
Speaker 2: the summer rolled on, obviously she's not teaching the kids.
Speaker 2: Think everyone's around all summer, like this would be the
Speaker 2: time to do it. And she send me this picture
Speaker 2: of this dog that was listed by the rescue group
Speaker 2: or the adoption agency as a one to three year
Speaker 2: old dog and yep. So I'm like, yeah, sure, that's fine,
Speaker 2: like says he's good with other dogs, perfect, like it
Speaker 2: should be fair like that. Obviously there's an adjustment period,
Speaker 2: but fairly low maintenance. And then later on in the
Speaker 2: process she's like, yeah, they miss she tells me like,
Speaker 2: oh they miss clicked or something when they posted him.
Speaker 2: He's actually five months. I'm just like, oh, okay. So
Speaker 2: we go and meet the dog and like he's pretty
Speaker 2: as puppy as go. He's like pretty low kay, yeah,
Speaker 2: fie do we get his actual birthday? And he's not
Speaker 2: even four months and so it's like he's a puppy puppy.
Speaker 2: I have a I have a puppy puppy.
Speaker 1: He's doing a very hat like move right now.
Speaker 2: He is a little he is a little cat like.
Speaker 2: I will say that.
Speaker 1: This so just for the listeners. The dog is sitting
Speaker 1: in Jeff's lap and it was just burying its head
Speaker 1: in his in the crook of his elbow, which is
Speaker 1: what my cats do a fair amount.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like he's he's fairly chill, but he's also
Speaker 2: a puppy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so not so not by four.
Speaker 2: Month old puppy standards. He is relatively chill.
Speaker 1: He's athletic for a catcher.
Speaker 2: We did a three hour draft stream yesterday at Twitch
Speaker 2: when also my wife and child were at home, and
Speaker 2: he just left on the couch behind me for three hours.
Speaker 2: He is not doing that today.
Speaker 1: No, well he did that yesterday. It's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's done.
Speaker 1: That is checked off the list and we can move
Speaker 1: on Patrick Deck Deck Okay, yeah, all right. On that note,
Speaker 1: let's get into the pod our. First segment, simply the
Speaker 1: Best despite getting swept by Arizona entering the All Star Break,
Speaker 1: I believe it's their first time being swept on the season.
Speaker 1: I might be wrong in that. I thought I saw
Speaker 1: someone posting totals on time swept or sweeping something like that,
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers had won. The Dodgers have the best
Speaker 1: record in baseball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, it sure is the Dodgers. You know,
Speaker 3: they're roally Andy piees. Now they didn't need it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they just like it's you know, we talked that Kyle
Speaker 3: Tucker has sort of shown up, but they got Andy Pyees,
Speaker 3: so like it's a wash. You could basically just go
Speaker 3: one for two on your six hundred million dollar contracts slash,
Speaker 3: you know, twenty five year old center fielders, and yeah,
Speaker 3: that's it. That's all it takes.
Speaker 2: It's very funny to me, like, they obviously have a
Speaker 2: very good sets. So I'm gotte some fifty of the
Speaker 2: out this week. They're gonna have I don't know, five
Speaker 2: or six guys on it something like that. And obviously
Speaker 2: they're you know, we've made a obviously you look at
Speaker 2: their list from coming into the season and just the
Speaker 2: general scuffle butt around the team right now. They obviously
Speaker 2: have three very good outfield prospects. They're probably going to
Speaker 2: be all in the top twenty of that list.
Speaker 1: Okay, have four, I make that up.
Speaker 2: Can take in Tarotaro. He'll be on the list, but
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be. Okay, top twenty, you don't
Speaker 2: have to kind of slow start ees and better recently.
Speaker 2: But like anyway, obviously they talked about like, yeah, where's
Speaker 2: you gonna trade one of these guys they'll be like
Speaker 2: the Beast project was like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also not for not for a major leaguer.
Speaker 2: Probably right, No, we just want a different we want
Speaker 2: a different prospects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how would you feel about I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to sound like too much of a homer
Speaker 1: like in this sense, but like I don't want to
Speaker 1: do I also don't want to do like the don't
Speaker 1: trade with the raised things. But like if you're if
Speaker 1: you're another team, how would you feel How confident would
Speaker 1: you feel about trading, you know, a prospect or a
Speaker 1: couple of prospects to the Dodgers for one of their
Speaker 1: own prospects? Would you feel good about that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I mean, like the Cubs obviously did this and got
Speaker 2: Michael Bush, who it has been to be very good,
Speaker 2: and the very good prospect they traded the Dodgers just
Speaker 2: might flip.
Speaker 1: Right, sure, But I'm just saying, like, would you feel
Speaker 1: prettyarticularly good about that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Like again, I don't want to be the Rays, you know,
Speaker 1: default the Rays win everything, because I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: also think a lot of the guys the Dodgers trade
Speaker 1: away haven't now Bush and now Vargas have blossomed. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's your don if you go back far enough, I
Speaker 1: guess Kybert Ruiz is having a nice year finally, right,
Speaker 1: but a lot of these trades have gone the Dodgers' way,
Speaker 1: not simply because guys have been good with the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: That's not always the case. But a lot of times
Speaker 1: the guys that they've traded away haven't really come back
Speaker 1: to bite them.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean a lot of times. It's just like
Speaker 3: even with Michael Bush, it's just the you don't have room, right,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: That Vargas and Bush, right, they just didn't really have room.
Speaker 3: It's easy to not regret a trade when when you
Speaker 3: don't have when you just couldn't use them anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean they also traded O'Neil Cruz and you're Don
Speaker 2: Alvarez in the last decade too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, it is like again, well but I
Speaker 1: don't even know that Cruise has come back to bite
Speaker 1: them that much. Ord On Alvarez, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Sure, although you know, they don't have anyone to play
Speaker 2: them anywhere to play them because they have sho hey
Speaker 2: TONI but like again, this is just it really is
Speaker 2: kind of it's not even a double standard per se.
Speaker 2: There's like the Dodger's standard, and there's like every other
Speaker 2: standard like on a on a normal team, Like look
Speaker 2: at the sort of narrative around the Mets trading peak
Speaker 2: ro Armstrong as a prospect right for the Hobby Baya's
Speaker 2: rental in twenty twenty one, and like it's the only
Speaker 2: thing Zack Scott talks about now on his podcast as
Speaker 2: best I can tell. But like, although it's you know,
Speaker 2: that is the kind of thing that is going to
Speaker 2: I guess, I mean it is going to haunt the
Speaker 2: Mets to an extent, but also it's just going to
Speaker 2: become part of this broader Now. I got guy that
Speaker 2: could really use peakro Armstrong right now, Like obviously the
Speaker 2: Dodgers could use ord On Alvarez, but it just like
Speaker 2: it doesn't. This is very much like a winning fixes everything.
Speaker 2: But it's like it's like it is, but it's also
Speaker 2: like almost so gaudy. It's like garish amount of winning, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's just there's no way you can topple this.
Speaker 2: And look, eventually, Bets, Freeman and Otani are gonna get old.
Speaker 2: I mean, Freeman's already like in his late thirties, but
Speaker 2: like are gonna slow down, like actually slow down, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to find the next generation, which.
Speaker 1: I think is is again the focus on infielders, right.
Speaker 2: Right, but they can also like I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's going to be a Tucker even a Tucker level contract,
Speaker 2: give it out in the next few free I guess
Speaker 2: Elie de la Cruz they just go and get Eli
Speaker 2: de la Cruz on free agency, right, Like.
Speaker 1: It's he's a ways away, is he not?
Speaker 2: Not as far as I mean, yes, But by the
Speaker 2: time he's there, you might have the actually Otani Freeman
Speaker 2: and I guess Bets has already started to slow down,
Speaker 2: but you might actually be looking for like the next
Speaker 2: linchpin of your lineup. So they just they just create
Speaker 2: Justin Robleski, right, Yeah, like they.
Speaker 1: Just Cruz is a twenty thirty free agent. Where are
Speaker 1: ways away? Yeah, I mean it's it's not forever in
Speaker 1: the in the distance, but yeah, I mean I think again,
Speaker 1: you at the trade thing in terms of like those
Speaker 1: losing losing those those deals, whether it's Cruise or or you're.
Speaker 2: Kind of them both for like relievers, right.
Speaker 1: Tony Watson for Cruise and Josh Fields for.
Speaker 2: You know, both of them pitched pretty well for them generally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fields actually did, especially for multiple years, right. And
Speaker 1: you know Andrew Readman has said right, You can't expect
Speaker 1: to win every deal. You have to, like on value,
Speaker 1: you have to give more because you're pursuing something. It's
Speaker 1: a pursuit of a championship. Like that's the trade, right,
Speaker 1: is that you're going to give up more in terms
Speaker 1: of what like a model.
Speaker 2: Says, and like you also, generally speaking, you never have
Speaker 2: you always have more information about your you know, for
Speaker 2: a team looking to make a move in twenty TI,
Speaker 2: you always have more information about like your twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six playoff odds World Series odd situation that you're about
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, except maybe not for the Dodgers because
Speaker 2: they're probably just going to be in the same spot
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's fair. Our doc poses a question, is
Speaker 1: this boring.
Speaker 2: Yet, Craig?
Speaker 1: I mean, as a fan, do you like winning? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess the what what is the question?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, I will say that's boring. I will say this,
Speaker 2: And granted it's a World Cup summer, so I've been
Speaker 2: watching less baseball, major League Baseball than I normally watch.
Speaker 2: Also the Mets being very bad. I addicted that as well.
Speaker 2: But you know, I put I think I put the
Speaker 2: I may have hit the Dodgers of a seventy watchability
Speaker 2: not maybe because it was already starting to get a
Speaker 2: little boring to me. But it's funny because you're, what
Speaker 2: twenty five games over five hundred or right now, you know,
Speaker 2: and their usual one hundred win pace, and like on
Speaker 2: some level it doesn't feel like they've gotten out of
Speaker 2: second gear yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is like kind of like watching France in the
Speaker 2: World Cup, right, Like they're just very tidy. They get
Speaker 2: it done, but it's not exciting like even yeah, even
Speaker 2: without the novelty, like in some ways, like the White
Speaker 2: Sox are more exciting than this, right.
Speaker 1: They're probably more interesting to watch. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: would say if you go back two years, there was
Speaker 1: something about that team, the twenty twenty fourteen where they
Speaker 1: just they kept coming back to win games, like they.
Speaker 2: Just they had like all the wheels falling on it
Speaker 2: is like the full uh you know, both the engines
Speaker 2: and the seven forty seven have blown out, you somehow
Speaker 2: land the plane kind of like there's.
Speaker 1: A little bit of that inevitable in an exciting way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think now they're inevitable in a more boring way,
Speaker 1: I definitely think that's fair. I also think, like you
Speaker 1: look at this this team and you mentioned like being
Speaker 1: in second gear like these still like Glass now is
Speaker 1: getting healthy, he's throwing fastballs like Blake Snell is getting
Speaker 1: healthy again, right, Gavin Stone could still show up at
Speaker 1: some point like it is. It is kind of comical
Speaker 1: that it's it's appeared this easy in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: Will also not having so many what what would normally
Speaker 1: be crucial pieces.
Speaker 2: It also felt like maybe, I don't know, maybe it
Speaker 2: could have happened in the World Cup. It feels like
Speaker 2: maybe like a month and a half, like okay, I
Speaker 2: felt like they were just kind of hanging around ten
Speaker 2: games over five hundred and okay, I think the Padres
Speaker 2: and Diamond actually going to catch him, probably not, and
Speaker 2: then they just quietly been fifteen games ever since.
Speaker 3: Well, the National League West has not helped, I think
Speaker 3: with the Masters this year. Usually there is at least
Speaker 3: one team that is the little brother. There are no brothers.
Speaker 3: The Dodgers are an only child in the National League West.
Speaker 3: This year they lead. They lead the NL West by
Speaker 3: the same division lead as the other five divisions combined
Speaker 3: at eleven and a half games like that. That's the
Speaker 3: other half of the drama. But we have had a
Speaker 3: month and a half of Eric Lauer starting pitcher for
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, right, Like, it's not like nothing has happened
Speaker 3: to this team. It's just what I think. If anything,
Speaker 3: it's that that your Dalton Rushings, you're you know, heys
Speaker 3: On Kim's like everybody, even even the backups, have been fine.
Speaker 3: Like they haven't when when the starters have gone down
Speaker 3: or when the starters have struggled with the taoscar. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just there hasn't It's it's you don't get a
Speaker 3: lineup like the Maritors have been rolling out with Buddy
Speaker 3: Kennedy at third base ever and it's the yes, that's
Speaker 3: that's you know, six million dollars they did.
Speaker 1: Chucky Robinson was here for a little bit, sure, but
Speaker 1: generally speaking, but that's one.
Speaker 2: Guy, the best third catcher in baseball.
Speaker 1: He's not even here anymore. So Elliet's right, But that's
Speaker 1: also the point, right Like you're you're pointing out Dalton
Speaker 1: Rushing is playing every day because Will Smith is hurt,
Speaker 1: but like it's not really hurt, is he Will Smith? No, No, but.
Speaker 2: He's done a pretty good facsemile of Will Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of that was concentrated in the
Speaker 1: first month of the season, hence best backup whatever. But
Speaker 1: like he's also been fine, yeah generally, I mean, at
Speaker 1: least in terms of attitude on the field, right, he's
Speaker 1: production on the field, maybe not attitude attitude nobody wanted.
Speaker 1: Hey sent Kim right, the Dodgers didn't like blow everyone
Speaker 1: out of the water just twelve minutes. And he look,
Speaker 1: he has his own problems right, too much, But but
Speaker 1: he is a bad you know, a utility infielder who
Speaker 1: is utilitied the infield. Like he's like Ryan Ward has
Speaker 1: been okay, Yeah, a lot of teams could use Ryan Ward.
Speaker 1: They the Dodgers can't use him. But this is like
Speaker 1: it is a.
Speaker 3: Combination of these.
Speaker 1: No, he was good when he filled in right in
Speaker 1: his particular role. He's not facing lefties, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: But like they plugged him in and he was just fine.
Speaker 3: And then you've got the guys that work here because
Speaker 3: it's the Dodgers, and like this is the closest thing
Speaker 3: major League Baseball is a super team with like Miguel
Speaker 3: Rohassen and the AARNet is, so just only want to
Speaker 3: play for the Dodgers, right, and we'll just take whatever
Speaker 3: the Dodgers pay them to be there, as Joshian calls
Speaker 3: them mascots, Right, they're not even they're not even bad players.
Speaker 3: Like mcgaul ross has been fine. He's like, I don't
Speaker 3: understand how mcgro ROAs hits, but he has just become
Speaker 3: a good hitter.
Speaker 1: They generally try and play him against lefties, right, he's
Speaker 1: better against lefties. He does that, okay, And he's a
Speaker 1: he's a good fielder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty seven has a shortstop, which is also kind
Speaker 3: of weird, right, Like, thirty seven year old aren't supposed
Speaker 3: to be good shortstops generally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that he's a good shortstop right now.
Speaker 1: He's he's fine there, and he's good at second and
Speaker 1: third's his age is definitely shown a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: Like his range isn't great or whatever, but he's he's
Speaker 1: generally a steady hand. I will say this as we
Speaker 1: as we go into the break, they get swept by Arizona.
Speaker 1: I think someone was tracking it. They had like twenty
Speaker 1: six percent of their errors on the season in the
Speaker 1: last five games. Or something like that, Like their defense
Speaker 1: was atrocious. I like I said online, they're playing defense
Speaker 1: like I went to school second half of senior year.
Speaker 3: Like it.
Speaker 1: They do have to tighten it up, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's part of why they got swept some stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But again, like they're they've traded for Eric Lower who
Speaker 1: then has a three twelve RA right, and I mean
Speaker 1: they traded for him, they picked him up off off DFA. Right.
Speaker 1: They might have given up a little something, but it
Speaker 1: was basically free, and he's not that. He's actually been
Speaker 1: good twenty one strikeouts in forty innings. But they're getting
Speaker 1: away with it. So I don't I don't know. Is
Speaker 1: it boring? Maybe a little? I mean I will say,
Speaker 1: look like again, this is first world problems. It's not
Speaker 1: even a problem. But I think it's a natural thing.
Speaker 1: Like they've won the last two World Series. They're gonna
Speaker 1: make the playoffs when they lose a bat. There have
Speaker 1: been bad losses, and it's a lot easier for me
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, throw it away, like easy enough.
Speaker 1: I've I've been I've been blessed as a fan, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't really have to worry about they have
Speaker 1: an eleven and a half game lead in the division.
Speaker 2: I don't have to after getting swept, after getting swept, after.
Speaker 1: Getting swept by the Diamondbacks, Right, so I don't really
Speaker 1: have to worry about that, Like why am I gonna
Speaker 1: be distraught over it? And and look, we've talked about this.
Speaker 1: I think it's not great for baseball in general sense
Speaker 1: to like not care about the regular season. I do
Speaker 1: still care as a fan. I choose to care, but
Speaker 1: it isn't as it isn't as urgent.
Speaker 2: I mean, is this actually worse than a Guardian's White
Speaker 2: Sox penet race like an absolute scale?
Speaker 1: No? I mean no, But as you said, I do
Speaker 1: think like the White Sox pose more interesting questions. I
Speaker 1: suppose I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't change in October. Yeah, right, once we get
Speaker 3: to October, it'll be there's there's ways for every team
Speaker 3: to have to optimize, and ways for every team to
Speaker 3: have to juggle their injuries. Then a way that can
Speaker 3: be compelling. Right, do you start Shean or Rubleski in
Speaker 3: Game three or whatever? Right now they're gonna win one
Speaker 3: hundred games and it doesn't really matter on which particular
Speaker 3: day they win or lose when they get there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's again, this is the fault of the time
Speaker 3: of pacts. This is the fault of the giants, Like, well,
Speaker 3: somebody has to compete with them, and none of them
Speaker 3: are Padres had a great run and it ran out,
Speaker 3: and uh that's you know, I don't think you can
Speaker 3: blame the Dodgers for that, right, Like there were times
Speaker 3: when the Yankees just walked away with a division, but
Speaker 3: the division needs to be walked away from. So I
Speaker 3: don't know, you still have the you know, because of
Speaker 3: the CBA, you still have this, you still have this
Speaker 3: uh you know, looming existential threat, right that some people
Speaker 3: I don't think of them as one, but there are
Speaker 3: people who are just going to treat the Dodgers as
Speaker 3: a bad end for baseball. And then if they walk
Speaker 3: through the playoffs and win a World and they sweep
Speaker 3: the World Series, that this is a problem. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I guess, like it is almost like shooting the moon,
Speaker 3: Like if the Dodgers do too well, it's bad. And
Speaker 3: if the Dodgers struggle but managed to win, it's fine,
Speaker 3: I guess, but I don't know, it's not I don't
Speaker 3: think it's worth getting worked up about. They're just a
Speaker 3: good team. There was gonna be a good team. There's
Speaker 3: always gonna be a best team in baseball. It just
Speaker 3: happens to be the same one as last year because
Speaker 3: I have all the same players.
Speaker 1: Of the last year. But they were also in as and said,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for repeating this, but they were also like
Speaker 1: the best team in baseball for many years without winning
Speaker 1: the worst series, and no one minded that.
Speaker 3: And they probably won't this year either.
Speaker 2: Right right now, they have one to in a row,
Speaker 2: and they thought, like again, it's like the garish nature
Speaker 2: of it too, right, Like it's not.
Speaker 1: They are there's there's the Kyle Tucker of it.
Speaker 2: Right or Edwin Diaz right, like they can just have
Speaker 2: their big free agent signings do and not. Tucker hasn't
Speaker 2: been awful, but like do not much and it least
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, right, yeah, I mean the Mets. The Mets
Speaker 2: get a not great season out of Boba Shad and
Speaker 2: among other things, and it's like more and again, a
Speaker 2: team that spends a lot of money, it's more of
Speaker 2: an issue.
Speaker 3: We have them as a slightly less than one four
Speaker 3: chance of winning the World Series right now, and that
Speaker 3: is with them walking into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: That is also high.
Speaker 3: It's insanely high. It's also still one in four, which
Speaker 3: means to win three in a row like that is
Speaker 3: now one in sixty four, right, right, as a certain point,
Speaker 3: it's just like that's what one in sixty four. Things
Speaker 3: just happen, right, You can deal yourself a full house
Speaker 3: just idealing out five cards like these things do happen sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I think it is. It is
Speaker 1: both insanely high, like to get into the the plug
Speaker 1: get over twenty percent is is very high, right. I
Speaker 1: think at the at the beginning of the season it
Speaker 1: was is around twenty twenty one, twenty two percent something
Speaker 1: like that their World Series odds. But the the thing
Speaker 1: is they were in that range, in the nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: percent range a number of years, right, this is what
Speaker 1: I keep saying, And it didn't Now does the three
Speaker 1: percent difference is a four you know, four percent difference
Speaker 1: from nineteen to twenty three percent feel different?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, because they've done it now. It isn't like.
Speaker 1: The Lily with with Tucker and Diaz. Absolutely, but also
Speaker 1: like Diaz wasn't a crazy deal.
Speaker 2: No, like neither was Tanner Scott I mean, there's probably
Speaker 2: too much for Tanner.
Speaker 1: Scott didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I know you didn't like it. You still don't like
Speaker 2: it though he's been quite good, but it has been
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 4: But by the way, yeah, but look, there are teams
Speaker 4: that can spend for top level free agents and there
Speaker 4: are teams that can develop.
Speaker 2: Justin Robleski, there aren't a lot that can do both
Speaker 2: or will do both, I guess right, like Cleveland probably
Speaker 2: has the actual money to do both, but raise et cetera.
Speaker 2: And there if there is something just because they've now
Speaker 2: won to in a row. And again it's not very
Speaker 2: Saber metric of me, but it feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't have the whatever less psychological Oh, they can't
Speaker 2: get it down in the playoffs, like the choker aspect
Speaker 2: of it name it was just gone, like they feel
Speaker 2: more inevitable. And again some of this is just you know,
Speaker 2: the narrative changes when you win a couple.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, because they won and they won twenty twenty, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it didn't seem to change and now.
Speaker 2: Counts retroactively because they've won two.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's convenient to the point of saying like
Speaker 1: they're wrecking the sport. Right, They've won three in however
Speaker 1: many years.
Speaker 2: But like, I mean, even in between twenty twenty they
Speaker 2: have some bad losses. In between twenty twenty and twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four they stop.
Speaker 1: They started lance Lynne.
Speaker 2: And not the good one. Yeah, I mean, but like
Speaker 2: it does they feel more? They have so much floor, right,
Speaker 2: But you're also not waiting for Dave Roberts to leave
Speaker 2: Clayton Kershaw and too long you're waiting for Dave. You're
Speaker 2: waiting for Dave Roberts to Lei Yoshinnama Yamamoto, and it
Speaker 2: just works because he is clutch, right, Like, there's something
Speaker 2: like they have got this vague cle We talked about
Speaker 2: this a little bit and w that show with like Berlander, right,
Speaker 2: like you can change the narrative so quickly on this
Speaker 2: stuff because they're such small samples. And once you're a
Speaker 2: winning player, just a winning player forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean, I think you can tune
Speaker 2: into like any random Dodgers game just because right, obviously
Speaker 2: you're going to see Otani and Freeman and Betts and
Speaker 2: Ty and Pie Yamamoto and some starts, you know, But
Speaker 2: it doesn't I don't know. They're obviously going to be
Speaker 2: appointment viewing in the playoffs. I'm sure they're going to
Speaker 2: do crazy ratings when all of a sudden don in
Speaker 2: October for all those series they're in. But I don't
Speaker 2: know for me, And again, I'm a very thin slice
Speaker 2: of baseball fandom on the whole for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2: But it's just I don't know. Something about this team
Speaker 2: is also like, I mean, I guess I could find
Speaker 2: them on like an interesting series, but they're also playing
Speaker 2: a lot of games against the San Francisco Giants in
Speaker 2: the Arizona Dmomax, right, Like that's.
Speaker 1: Less less than they used to Sure, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I do. The other part of this to something in
Speaker 1: terms of the long term sense, is like they are
Speaker 1: the oldest team in baseball. Sure, they're very so like,
Speaker 1: I don't we started off talking about the trio of
Speaker 1: outfield prospects and they're gonna trade some of those, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to start working. They're gonna have to
Speaker 1: start working some of those guys. Yeah, in because you know,
Speaker 1: some of these contracts might not last. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: see Tucker might might well be four years at the
Speaker 1: at the rate he's going.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't oscar.
Speaker 1: Oscar has a club option through twenty twenty eight, but.
Speaker 2: What's the current status of the endless max monthly options?
Speaker 1: Are they keep Well, he's got another, I mean they
Speaker 1: keep just acting one on right, and why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah, he continues to be really good. He's
Speaker 1: a better defender than he's ever been. Which is which is?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's one of the crazier things to me.
Speaker 1: You look at their the left side of their infield. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we've talked about Mookie Betts like going from right field
Speaker 1: to shortstop at his age, right, he's now thirty three,
Speaker 1: he's still a very good.
Speaker 2: I think he might have been drafted as a short stop,
Speaker 2: but he's like a second base process field. But he
Speaker 2: also wasn't a short stop coming out right.
Speaker 1: And then Max Munsey, who was like barely a third baseman,
Speaker 1: like hid enough to justify it. And then he's he's
Speaker 1: legitimately good there. Now he's not the best or anything,
Speaker 1: but he's he's an above average defensive third baseman. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a remarkable And then you throw in Andy Pies
Speaker 1: turning into a legitimate defensive center fielder. There have been
Speaker 1: some pretty remarkable defensive uh upgrades without changing the players
Speaker 1: out right for this team. Anyway, That's enough naval gazing
Speaker 1: from my side. Do you have another question here?
Speaker 2: I do. I noticed this. I just looked at who
Speaker 2: was leading in warp at the All Star break this morning,
Speaker 2: and you know, obviously, Judge, obviously Tani is still there.
Speaker 2: All he talked about him, even even in hitting. Obviously
Speaker 2: been a great pitching season as well. Obviously, Judges, he.
Speaker 1: Is getting his knee drained over He's.
Speaker 2: Getting his knee drained over the All Star break. But
Speaker 2: like I started, are we starting to get the next generation?
Speaker 2: Now say I'm not. I could put it as passing
Speaker 2: the torch. I don't know afterially passing the torch? Obviously,
Speaker 2: Wan Soda is still in the middle of his peak too.
Speaker 2: But like for the next you have to you know,
Speaker 2: I put like, so, who are the who's the next
Speaker 2: great crop of like position player slash hitters, And you
Speaker 2: look at it, like you know. Ord On Alvarez in
Speaker 2: some ways is more established. He might be older than
Speaker 2: one Soda. I don't even know he is older than Okay,
Speaker 2: fair enough but uh, you know, James Wood now is
Speaker 2: sort of doing it for a second. I he didn't
Speaker 2: have a great second half last year, Cam.
Speaker 1: Arrow, But I look, you can't deny the greatness of
Speaker 1: James Wood, right, James Wood is legitimately.
Speaker 2: Great junior Cameron Arrow. Seems we take finding another gear
Speaker 2: on the power while still grounding into a ton of
Speaker 2: double plays. And of course Miguel Vargas being the other
Speaker 2: one in the.
Speaker 1: At the time, and on DRC plus he's he's eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's top ten. Look, you can throw Nick Kurtz
Speaker 1: is top ten after a brutal start to the season.
Speaker 2: You know, I guess Witt has been this guy for
Speaker 2: a few years. But Witt, I think he's a very
Speaker 2: very good hitter, but a lot of his value is
Speaker 2: tied up in being a very good defensive shortstop.
Speaker 1: Speaking of internal upgrades without changing the player.
Speaker 2: Right, Uh, and then like you even have you know, Weather,
Speaker 2: Holt and mcgona go on. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: will get to this level of the guys who just discussed.
Speaker 2: Maybe Miguel Varcas is.
Speaker 1: But if I'm just sorting by by d r C plus,
Speaker 1: you know, we can look at Jordan Walker.
Speaker 3: Jordan Walker's I.
Speaker 2: Don't know that we'll it's it's a half a season, right,
Speaker 2: Walker is a little less of a sample size, and
Speaker 2: that's why I didn't include.
Speaker 1: But McGonagall also right to that degree.
Speaker 2: But two Donegal has also never been as bad as
Speaker 2: Walker was for like three years.
Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin five years old. Ye, Ben Rice is only
Speaker 1: twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also older than Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know, are we buying Luis Garcia. Luis Garci
Speaker 1: is a one thirty one. I'm not really he's twenty six,
Speaker 1: He's I think, Look he goes to the Jordan Walker.
Speaker 1: He's done it short season. He's look, he's always been
Speaker 1: kind of cromulent, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always had like interesting offensive tools on some level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, I guess piece again, pc A has did it
Speaker 2: for a half season last year, and that didn't We'll
Speaker 2: see how the second half goes this year.
Speaker 1: Yah, I don't know how far you want to go.
Speaker 1: And again, d O C plus and and OPS plus
Speaker 1: have some disagreements about c J Abrams. Uh you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: A lot, but yeah, I just I'm curious to see,
Speaker 2: like who the next guy? So you know, we spent
Speaker 2: years doing the one Soto versus Akunya versus Fernando Tatis
Speaker 2: versus Flat. I think towards the end, look, they have
Speaker 2: all had excellent careers.
Speaker 1: How would you feel about mur comed in that discussion?
Speaker 2: No, I just again the sample sizes. Okay, it's very
Speaker 2: hard for me. I'm talking over like the long haul, right,
Speaker 2: Like can Murk Comedy do is for like three years?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Possibly, but like as soon as he loses even a
Speaker 2: little bit of twitch, that's going to go real bad,
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I just I just thought it was an interesting question
Speaker 3: given the first topic. I find it's funny that I
Speaker 3: guess we're still technically on the first topic. So few
Speaker 3: of these players are in the National League West.
Speaker 2: Carroll, I guess, Carol. Yeah, he's kind of like in
Speaker 2: between where he's I think I think this is he's
Speaker 2: established a level of production at an all star level,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I don't I think he's hit
Speaker 2: the top gear here and have a great career, right,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Bryce Eldridge, Right, I.
Speaker 2: Like Bryce Eldridge, but like, I don't think he's turning
Speaker 2: into yord On Alvarez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I don't know he's he's hit a
Speaker 1: higher gear than this Carrol Carroll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also at this point, you know, had a
Speaker 2: fair amount of injuries. He's a he's a smaller framed
Speaker 2: athletic guy. Like he's still in his mid twenties. Again,
Speaker 2: I think he can do this for a few years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But like he's also a career to fifty seven header,
Speaker 2: which again in this era is not bad. It's above average. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's not quite I don't know if he's quite
Speaker 2: as well round did a hitter are some of these
Speaker 2: other guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's said we should should be mentioning
Speaker 3: Jackson Merrill, but came I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say Jacksonner too.
Speaker 2: Like Conner a year ago, we obviously would have been
Speaker 2: talking about here. So this stuff can change, right, Like
Speaker 2: it's it's actually very hard. Like the thing you go
Speaker 2: back to so Soto, Akunya, Tatis and lad conversations and
Speaker 2: they've all, you know, they've all had, you know, I think,
Speaker 2: well above median careers for where they were ranked as
Speaker 2: prospects and young players. But also Soto is the only
Speaker 2: one that's really held it, held it right, and again
Speaker 2: there's like obviously Tatis and Kunya, I've had a ton
Speaker 2: of injuries. When is the other issues?
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you that, Like you're you smiled
Speaker 1: as as you said Migel Vargus, but like we're ex
Speaker 1: Migel Vargus is twenty six, lad is twenty seven, right,
Speaker 1: Who who do you want going forward?
Speaker 2: Yeah, blad, I don't think. Okay, I don't think it.
Speaker 1: So like Flat is in this conversation not this year,
Speaker 1: but yeah, but again the torch, he's a year older
Speaker 1: and you'd rather have it.
Speaker 2: But he's also paid like six years in the majors.
Speaker 2: Like it's that that's part of it too.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well how long is your time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough?
Speaker 1: I know, uh yeah, I think I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's a little early to say on a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys. I think even Kim and Ara, right,
Speaker 1: like it's he doesn't have the track record issue that
Speaker 1: Walker has. But this is a this is another gear
Speaker 1: from last year.
Speaker 2: I mean it is, but it's not like I mean,
Speaker 2: the major difference is he's like walking twice as much.
Speaker 2: And look, some of that might I'm sure some of
Speaker 2: that if I dug down is he's been a little
Speaker 2: more disciplined. He's all like, why would you pitch to
Speaker 2: him in that lineup? But he's also I think he's
Speaker 2: hitting behind Yandy and Ronda most of the time, so
Speaker 2: extremely why would you pitch him in that lineup? Like yeah,
Speaker 2: And he's like, now he's not a great defensive third baseman.
Speaker 1: Yeah that is boy? Is that kind?
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's yeah, I mean like yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it depends, like FRB hates him a lot more
Speaker 2: than some of the other metrics. But like whether you
Speaker 2: think he's a minus five, he might. He might legitimately
Speaker 2: be a minus five third baseman and that'll be okay
Speaker 2: for a few more years. I don't, like, I wonder
Speaker 2: if they try him and like left field at some
Speaker 2: point because like he moves, okay.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he he has to stay bad, right,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about Max Months or whatever. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think his tools are bad.
Speaker 2: He's also almost as big as Max Max Mounzy now,
Speaker 2: like he's a big boy like he I like that
Speaker 2: he's still listed it, yeah, still listed at six thirteen twenty.
Speaker 2: He is not six one two twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's also it's not even just the range or whatever. No,
Speaker 1: he's got thirteen errors.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If he could clean that up, he could almost certainly
Speaker 1: battle it to a draw, right, But like that's that's
Speaker 1: not what's what's happening right now. What's happening right now
Speaker 1: is he's a bad third basement right.
Speaker 2: Look, he might just end up at first base when
Speaker 2: they leaves, and like fine, Like I don't have like
Speaker 2: it's going to cut into his value some but he
Speaker 2: is a fifty percent better than league average hitter who
Speaker 2: gives a.
Speaker 3: Shit, right, right, somebody's got play first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone's gota play first. He's listed at six one
Speaker 2: two twenty. He's probably like six three, so like, I
Speaker 2: don't think is billion issue personally. I would try him
Speaker 2: the outfield, but but he's also twenty two, right, Like, like,
Speaker 2: what does this look like? But the twenty five for
Speaker 2: the bad I think the age.
Speaker 1: Is I don't what does it mean for twenty five?
Speaker 1: If you're junior camera? Is he gonna be? Is he
Speaker 1: gonna he swings as hard as humingly possible? Yes, he's
Speaker 1: fully filled out. Does it mean like, yes, he swings too,
Speaker 1: and you can lock in the production, but you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily saying, here's a lot more growth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Maybe it comes in the softer areas like we've seen,
Speaker 1: like walk rate right like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think that possible he has, right, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's impossible if he continues to hit like this,
Speaker 2: that he has some Jordon type season where he like
Speaker 2: walks fifteen percent of the time and strikes out fifteen
Speaker 2: percent of the time. Okay, Like I coud see him
Speaker 2: cleaning up to swing and miss even a little bit more, which, again,
Speaker 2: given how hard he hits, the ball is going to
Speaker 2: have yeah, significant knock on effects.
Speaker 1: Yeah he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He has.
Speaker 1: He has the general profile someone you would expect to
Speaker 1: strike out more than he does. Yes, right, Like he has.
Speaker 1: That is the type of power and swings that he takes.
Speaker 1: But like, dude has strikeouts in ninety four games.
Speaker 2: Is not a guy that swings this hard and has
Speaker 2: this longest swing, right, it's like almost an eight foot swing.
Speaker 1: He expect a lot heard a lot of whiffs.
Speaker 2: Right, and like again he doesn't like his own contact
Speaker 2: rate have gone up basically every full season eighty five percent.
Speaker 1: Now that's that's incredible. I mean, I would I would
Speaker 1: have said, off the top of my head, eighty right,
Speaker 1: like good.
Speaker 2: Unless he's done that at least twenty twenty five or
Speaker 2: twenty by swinging a lot less. But again I think
Speaker 2: that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it certainly has been.
Speaker 2: I mean, the main issue is is his barrel control
Speaker 2: doesn't suck, but it's not like an optimized swing plane.
Speaker 2: Hence all the like he's still hits them all on
Speaker 2: the ground fifty percent of the time. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: very it's a very funny distribution because he either hits
Speaker 2: the ball on the ground or pulls it in the air.
Speaker 2: Those like the two things that he does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the double place, right, I like
Speaker 1: it is. It is a hilarious kind of combination of
Speaker 1: things when you look at obviously the home runs and
Speaker 1: just the offensive pro and then it's like also by
Speaker 1: the way he hits into a ton of double plays
Speaker 1: and commits a lead leading number of errors. What we're
Speaker 1: gonna give him, We're gonna give him superpowers and also
Speaker 1: super flaws.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, shall we move on to our second segment? It's
Speaker 1: BP on draft draft excuse me, rock hold on. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can kip, maybe, maybe you can clip Manford here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try Chluski. Yeah is how Manfred said it.
Speaker 1: Look it took me right back to bud see like
Speaker 1: say in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously we are not great at pronunciating.
Speaker 2: Pronunciating great pronouncing.
Speaker 1: Literally up draft heading into this sore.
Speaker 2: On this podcast.
Speaker 1: I would get I would get up.
Speaker 2: You know I would get him. You can ask, you
Speaker 2: can ask fanatically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you say fanatic, it could be Kulawski.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, But I mean there's like no, I mean,
Speaker 2: like right out, but it's not colluciation. It's not.
Speaker 1: Rock goes first. This is not a surprise. Maybe not
Speaker 1: as inspiring as you want, like so much Dance by Swanson.
Speaker 2: Everyone says that, and I get it, but also Dance
Speaker 2: by Swanson is a well above median first overall pick.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's done saying it's a bad outcome.
Speaker 2: Right, But I mean, do you want excitement or do
Speaker 2: you want like the forty one player like.
Speaker 1: I don't sometimes he's gonna pass. Probably you're dreaming you
Speaker 1: want both? Yeah, I guess that's true, right, The draft
Speaker 1: is about dreaming.
Speaker 2: Do you think Justin Upton was a good first overall? Pick. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: Swanson is going to pass it either this year or
Speaker 2: next and career war yeah and I.
Speaker 1: Right, just yeah, but but Atlanta is not seeing the
Speaker 1: benefit of the part where he passed Upton.
Speaker 2: Sure, but they're also not seeing the decline part of
Speaker 2: it either.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, but Upton was on another I mean that was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I meant for Swanson, but yeah, I guess fair.
Speaker 1: No, But I'm just saying, like the point is like
Speaker 1: the decline, right, I mean, I'm with you on this,
Speaker 1: I understand. I'm just saying that, like if you're I
Speaker 1: don't know you kind of it's not It's not that
Speaker 1: it's a bad outcome, but given how many end up below.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean that that is the problem if you
Speaker 2: if you're.
Speaker 1: You want to shoot at the stars so that if
Speaker 1: you miss, you end up a little higher. Right. But
Speaker 1: people also thought Swanson was going to be better than
Speaker 1: Swanson and Dandy.
Speaker 2: Swanson was picked one one he got. He did not
Speaker 2: get comped to the previous version of day.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't want the this is this is
Speaker 1: the Mariners five forty win percentage. Yeah, yeah, you want
Speaker 1: to him higher it's five forty because then you end
Speaker 1: up at five forty when you miss.
Speaker 2: It's also not impossible he's better than that offensively. Sure
Speaker 2: there are.
Speaker 1: Some No, this is no, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 2: It's just uh, I mean, like again, the options.
Speaker 1: It's just not inspiring.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I don't think that.
Speaker 1: It's not to condemn.
Speaker 2: Him, right, I don't think there was an more inspiring
Speaker 2: one one pick in this draft. Is the other part
Speaker 2: of it, Like people are going to say Grady.
Speaker 1: Emerson, this is where I bow out.
Speaker 2: People are going to say Grady Emerson. But also like
Speaker 2: my giving this point of the draftee, like Grady Emerson
Speaker 2: has a lot of this game tools, is Schilowski He's
Speaker 2: just the similar right yeah yeah, so like and maybe
Speaker 2: he develops that more. Maybe he would have developed that
Speaker 2: more in college and might do it more in a
Speaker 2: professional hitting development system. But like it's not you're not
Speaker 2: picking between him and like some crazy five tool center
Speaker 2: field prep prospect, right, Like there's a lot of like
Speaker 2: to me, like reading the reports like kind of feels
Speaker 2: like Marcello Meyer again, like with in the one to
Speaker 2: one conversation his year and you know it was a
Speaker 2: very well regarded prospect for most of his prospectim and
Speaker 2: is not really hitting the majors. But I think it's
Speaker 2: kind of like a similar range of high end outcomes
Speaker 2: here even if Meyer didn't get to his And then
Speaker 2: you have you have a college catcher, so good luck
Speaker 2: with that, who's really only performed for one year in
Speaker 2: the ACC. I mean von Lackey was a good prospect
Speaker 2: draft house that coming into the season.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then Jackson Flora, who's an interesting college pitcher who
Speaker 2: you feel like there's a little bit more in the tank.
Speaker 2: But also I don't know, like I don't know where
Speaker 2: the inspiring text is coming from here.
Speaker 1: Does say something about the draft as a whole.
Speaker 2: So it's a very deep draft class. You can find
Speaker 2: a lot like well, Chilowski is not super exciting as
Speaker 2: a one one. It was a fairly deep college back class.
Speaker 2: It's a fairly deep college arm class, like you can
Speaker 2: be excited about. I think college hitters and pitchers that
Speaker 2: went like in the twenties and thirties here more than
Speaker 2: you would in most years. But yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: it was a weird draft lift and as well as.
Speaker 1: I think here's what I think was weird about it.
Speaker 1: It was at one o'clock on a Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not thrilled about that.
Speaker 1: Well, a bunch of games were happening.
Speaker 2: Well, a bunch of games were happening, and the World
Speaker 2: Cup it ran into the They got the first forty
Speaker 2: picks don before the England game at least. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't. Also like they kicked out all the media
Speaker 2: and started breaking down the set during the second round.
Speaker 1: They also no players there for the second straight year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know what the.
Speaker 1: To be clear, I think this thing should be a
Speaker 1: conference call.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I know that doesn't if you are going.
Speaker 1: They seem they seem to think it should be something
Speaker 1: and this is the weirdest way to behave if you
Speaker 1: think it should be something, they.
Speaker 2: Don't actually like they think that they think that it
Speaker 2: should be something, right, Like it's like they see, they
Speaker 2: see what the NFL does, Like, we want this for us,
Speaker 2: but we also don't know how to do it or
Speaker 2: want to put in a lot of effort. Yeah, the work,
Speaker 2: I think that costs money. And like there's still gonna
Speaker 2: be inherent issue like like whatever. So, like the NBA
Speaker 2: draft happened fairly recently, Like you know, the you know,
Speaker 2: you can, like a j De Bonds is gonna start
Speaker 2: for somebody wi the Wizards. But like they're like, whoever
Speaker 2: you draft is going to start immediately, right.
Speaker 1: Cable Wilson is going to start for the Bulls, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you know you can also you also
Speaker 2: have like, you know, Jazz fans are going knocks over
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson's Summer League performances so far, which is like
Speaker 2: a normal thing that happens.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the top four picks, the top four picks
Speaker 1: had insane to be debuts in in the I mean
Speaker 1: it's summer league. Soever, they all did very well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Jazz, the Jazz fans are already like
Speaker 2: we don't have room for like Bryce sends the ball,
Speaker 2: what are we going to do? Like n sing not
Speaker 2: that good but also whatever, they're already penciling themselves in
Speaker 2: for the Western Conference finals. Good, but you get that
Speaker 2: immediate like and also like like a lot of people
Speaker 2: watch college basketball, a lot of people watch college football
Speaker 2: even beyond the Okay, these guys will have some sort
Speaker 2: of immediate impact. Like I don't, like, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't if I can come up and be like, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty five point game story. But like you can, like
Speaker 2: step On Castle and guys like that, right then come
Speaker 2: up in the first couple of seasons and be major
Speaker 2: contributors for you know, significant teams, and you don't have
Speaker 2: that in the MLB draft. And you also the problem
Speaker 2: like even if college baseball and college baseball I think
Speaker 2: is growing, it's audience pretty well, like the availability on
Speaker 2: ESPN Plus and like the various conference networks. It's not
Speaker 2: a lot, right, Like it's not it's not Notre Dame
Speaker 2: on NBC every Saturday afternoon, but it's it's something. But
Speaker 2: like Grady, I'm like, you can't like just know a
Speaker 2: lot about Grady Emerson unless you're a tree seco, right,
Speaker 2: Like even if you're watching the Combine and things like that,
Speaker 2: like you're not going to East Coast Pro or Area
Speaker 2: Code games or no.
Speaker 1: But I would think if you want it, and again
Speaker 1: this is not how I feel, but I think if
Speaker 1: you wanted to take this the position that that is
Speaker 1: what a draft telecasts and like making a big deal
Speaker 1: out of the draft would before, I think you could
Speaker 1: credibly make that case, right to do lead in stuff
Speaker 1: to say like we're going to make a big deal
Speaker 1: out out of our draft because people don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: all these they're going to know some of these guys.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna know all these guys, and it's our
Speaker 1: opportunity to show them.
Speaker 2: The other problems these guys. Is like, if you look
Speaker 2: at these NFL and there there are just like NFL
Speaker 2: draft guys right, like mel kiper junior for you know,
Speaker 2: this is happening more in the NBA now too, like
Speaker 2: the you know, basically base like baseball has these people
Speaker 2: and they have gotten like you know, Carlos Calazo and
Speaker 2: Jim Kallas and last Pertzowski were all on the shows here,
Speaker 2: but it's still Dan O Doubt and Harold Reynolds right,
Speaker 2: And I like, I don't know what their prep is.
Speaker 2: I feel like they are.
Speaker 1: Parachuting Sparkley doing the college basketball.
Speaker 2: I feel like they are parachuting in the week of
Speaker 2: and be like, who do I need to know about it?
Speaker 2: Instead of like building this And look, obviously Pipeline does
Speaker 2: mock drafts and things like that and draft boards, but
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 1: Well, you actually learned something when Jim Kallis talks and
Speaker 1: you don't want anyone else and no offense obviously Carlos
Speaker 1: and those guys, but you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: these other guys.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's like part of it too. It's like
Speaker 2: you don't now to an extent, anyone tuning into this
Speaker 2: is probably looking at draft boards and mock drafts before
Speaker 2: the most people, not all people, most people tuning into it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. There, it's going to be
Speaker 2: a very difficult bridge that they are not even trying
Speaker 2: to build basically, the way I will put it.
Speaker 1: Look, I mean almost all draft like as a fan,
Speaker 1: almost all draft experience is fatuous anyway, It's all right,
Speaker 1: did my team win the draft? Did a guy like
Speaker 1: my draft? That's all anybody reads like there.
Speaker 2: It's even harder to do MLB draft trades versus other
Speaker 2: sports because like in the NBA, like an NFL, you
Speaker 2: are drafting for need to an extent, yes, and MLB
Speaker 2: you're just not.
Speaker 1: But it's almost always influences, right, like if if you
Speaker 1: have a point guard, sure, if you have a legit
Speaker 1: point guard, you might not draft. Like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if the Wizards ever really considered Darren Peterson
Speaker 1: right because or whatever, but like they signed whether they
Speaker 1: should have or not Trey Wow, yeah Young, thank you,
Speaker 1: Trey Young to a big deal. He's going to be
Speaker 1: your point guard, right, you then don't draft a point
Speaker 1: guard to sit behind him because you're trying to get better. Right,
Speaker 1: So like there's some influence there. Yes, it might not
Speaker 1: be the it's not even necessarily the primary concern.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You can double up, you can move guys around, you
Speaker 1: can play them off ball whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, if there's a generational point guard, but you probably
Speaker 2: don't sign try Young if you know you already have
Speaker 2: the first overall pick.
Speaker 1: But also like you, but but there's playing roster building there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not.
Speaker 3: There's not, well and less even in football.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, even in football, I think positional need
Speaker 1: gets overrated pretty highly when it.
Speaker 2: Comes to draft unless you really need a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you really need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And then that is the same coin flip that is
Speaker 1: basically the baseball draft at that point, unless you're drafting
Speaker 1: one the top five picks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, so don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think it's it's a problem that
Speaker 1: base there's there's stuff that baseball.
Speaker 3: Does wrong with its draft, and there's stuff that baseball cannot.
Speaker 2: Fix, right, And like the draft. For me, at least,
Speaker 2: my interest in the draft, such as it is, I know,
Speaker 2: outside of the professional I run it prospect evaluation vertical
Speaker 2: is that I am interested in the sort of the
Speaker 2: philosophies and the process and how it plays out and
Speaker 2: figuring out what teams are thinking. Right, I don't get
Speaker 2: the immediate Like, first of all, you can't evaluate a
Speaker 2: draft to day up. I saw it like I don't
Speaker 2: want to like call out a random person on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I don't remember who it was. Somebody sent it to me.
Speaker 2: But just like did draft grades gave the Brewers a D?
Speaker 2: And my thing is like if you think, if you
Speaker 2: actually knew more than.
Speaker 1: The Brewers philosophy is draft one of Evil's kids. That's there.
Speaker 2: If you knew more than the Brewers draft room, you
Speaker 2: would be working for a team like they're one of
Speaker 2: the best at like aligning their draft to play Like
Speaker 2: like you know, I think and I look, I do
Speaker 2: think there are gaps right, Like I'm not gonna some
Speaker 2: of the philosophy is like this philosophy sucks. I don't
Speaker 2: agree with it, and there's a long many years of
Speaker 2: it not working. I don't know why you keep doing this.
Speaker 1: And some of this is because of their success, so
Speaker 1: they picked later and stuff like that. Right, but like
Speaker 1: the Tyler Black didn't work out, Like all those weird
Speaker 1: thing guys that seemed like they were making work, none
Speaker 1: of them really have sure come through yet. Sure, I
Speaker 1: don't want to preclude it, right, it hasn't been that long.
Speaker 2: Eric Botantis looked pretty good this year. But like, but
Speaker 2: you know, they also they have a very clear philosophy
Speaker 2: where they're just going to give like two and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars to five guys they're not going to
Speaker 2: really they picked later, but they're just around. They're scattering
Speaker 2: money around you, and they're going to chake as many
Speaker 2: bites as the apple for their dad as they can.
Speaker 2: And like they have specific both hitting and pitching types
Speaker 2: they like as well. But like doing a draft the
Speaker 2: day of is just not productive and you're going to
Speaker 2: be if you're doing it, you're probably too huge into
Speaker 2: your own draft board anyway. But that just sort of
Speaker 2: like is what is emobie draft is? You know, I
Speaker 2: Craig Tright, it can't just be a conference call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like, I mean I've I've tended I
Speaker 1: didn't because it was the weekend, so like, but my
Speaker 1: favorite part back in the day was like I just
Speaker 1: threw on through on this conference call of rounds two
Speaker 1: through you know ten, and then ten through whatever, and
Speaker 1: it was just on all day and I got to
Speaker 1: whatever and I would be at work. But it's just
Speaker 1: like listeners to a podcast basically, right.
Speaker 2: I don't like they just do it on Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing on an off day. I don't And again,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the whole rant, but like, again,
Speaker 1: just make the Futures game because that's those guys are
Speaker 1: going to be there, right, Like make the Future's game
Speaker 1: your jewel, right instead of and but they don't. They
Speaker 1: hate the Futures Game. So whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know why that. I don't know why they
Speaker 2: keep doing it other than I guess they need something
Speaker 2: to add to the All Star ticket package along with
Speaker 2: this sled. I guess the celebrity home run derby now for.
Speaker 1: You or whatever.
Speaker 2: I will never one of my one of my favorite
Speaker 2: memories of my decade at Baseball Perspectus is sitting in
Speaker 2: the i know, like the press box lunch area in
Speaker 2: Cleveland with Craig and Craig losing his mind as they
Speaker 2: pre taped the Celebrity Softball game, because they kept saying
Speaker 2: the same they kept saying the same things over and
Speaker 2: over again because they only they clipped it so it
Speaker 2: was only the ball in play for each hit her
Speaker 2: and the actually like six pitches long with them just
Speaker 2: all saying it was like I remember who it was.
Speaker 2: It was. It was like Mendoza and uh I'm Mendoza
Speaker 2: Rabbit and uh yeah Perez or something like that. Like
Speaker 2: but it's like blah blah blah, Star of.
Speaker 1: Real unlocked a memory.
Speaker 2: Craig, just like cra like looking around, like we're just
Speaker 2: sitting around, Like I.
Speaker 1: Felt like I was in the twilight zone.
Speaker 2: Because they're playing it on the TV. They saw it
Speaker 2: like they're they have the live footage playing with like
Speaker 2: the broadcast, but obviously they chop it up for like
Speaker 2: because I think it runs.
Speaker 1: I think I I think. I truly had no idea
Speaker 1: how much editing.
Speaker 2: Yeah went into the Celebrity Softball game.
Speaker 1: The Celebrity Softball.
Speaker 2: Like more than anything. Did I hear that before?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I I it was like deja vus times a million,
Speaker 1: like I had Wow, I had completely blocked that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was very disoriented. I'm not that smart. You guys like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: You know, I like that product is not for me.
Speaker 3: You know, I will say if banana ball is not
Speaker 3: for me, then certainly.
Speaker 2: The celebrity like, yeah, I mean they haven't like the draft.
Speaker 1: That'll they'll just do That's that's the future path. They're
Speaker 1: gonna do a banana bananas game during an All Star.
Speaker 3: Probably yeah, but what.
Speaker 1: Honestly probably good for both both.
Speaker 3: It probably would be good for both parties. And what
Speaker 3: I what I want though, Like every once in a
Speaker 3: while people are like, you know, there's always the celebrity game,
Speaker 3: and then there's always people who want the skills competition.
Speaker 1: Right, what I want is the celebrity skills stuff. I
Speaker 1: want Jason Alexander Cotton a rundown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a twist.
Speaker 1: I think I think we need this is I don't
Speaker 1: know how many people are familiar with Alex Kershner's theory
Speaker 1: that he and a bunch of his friends could could
Speaker 1: execute a rundown on a professional on a professional baseball player,
Speaker 1: get like you need to get like a I think
Speaker 1: that's what we need. I think we need pros versus
Speaker 1: Joe's in certain scenarios needs like.
Speaker 2: A recently a fairly recently retired like good base runner.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't Billy Hamilton. Get Billy Hamilton out.
Speaker 1: That's not fair, Taylor. You know, honestly Austin Austin Slater
Speaker 1: is right there, just like, let's just get Austin.
Speaker 2: I think he's someone a little faster than Austin's later.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you know what I mean, right like, just
Speaker 1: like like I think a pros verse recently recently retired
Speaker 1: pros versus Joe's, i'd be I want to look Alex
Speaker 1: is so confident, just getting.
Speaker 2: Over the whoever the Angels have dfa last at them
Speaker 2: where it's like Rice Head Chris.
Speaker 1: Taylor, Chris Taylor, I mean very slow. People think he's
Speaker 1: not slow.
Speaker 2: Very who's the the in fielder.
Speaker 1: That this is Adam Fraser's job as soon as he
Speaker 1: you need someone as soon as he gets cut. It's
Speaker 1: not an.
Speaker 2: Average runner, Frasier, I don't think and run well anymore.
Speaker 2: And make him do like I don't. He's not a
Speaker 2: great runner. Make him try to get hobby bias.
Speaker 3: What's Nick Madrigal doing these days?
Speaker 2: He's actually the Angels Angels, the.
Speaker 3: Race minor league system right now, the race scarcia.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, he can run. He can run. Also, there's
Speaker 2: the fear that he can just truck you at any
Speaker 2: point in time.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I think that should be to stare down.
Speaker 1: I think that should be present. That should be a
Speaker 1: fear that's going to influence a wild throw. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: I think that would.
Speaker 2: Be who's the widest good runner? The why for like
Speaker 2: throwing purposes? Who is the widest good runner?
Speaker 1: Probably like one of these athletic catchers.
Speaker 2: Right now, Milton Varshow is pretty wide. I feel like
Speaker 2: he's definitely like, yeah, he's stocked. I guess he's more stock,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's squat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Varshow could run. Yeah, I mean that's not I
Speaker 1: mean he plays center field.
Speaker 2: I know he played center field.
Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm thinking I said catcher like I was, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean he was.
Speaker 2: He was a catcher. That's why I thought he was
Speaker 2: all right, let's look, hang.
Speaker 1: On, back on track to the draft. There were no
Speaker 1: real surprises in the top four.
Speaker 2: Hang on, I want to look at sprint speed leader
Speaker 2: so I can see the widest fast running. Then I
Speaker 2: think the widest fast runner. Garrett Mitchell is not that wide. No, gangly,
Speaker 2: he's gangly. Yeah, A j Ewing is like like thirtier
Speaker 2: than you think, but he's also I would not describe
Speaker 2: him as wide. I think the widest.
Speaker 1: Luis Robert is a good runner, and he's pretty broad.
Speaker 2: He's pretty broad. Yeah, yeah, you'd also get hurt. He
Speaker 2: would not be allowed to do it. I think the
Speaker 2: answer is actually Joey Artis Joey. He's st stocky. He
Speaker 2: is a stocky dude. He's also got twenty nine but
Speaker 2: very good. Dylan Cruz, Yeah, Cruise was about when I
Speaker 2: saw that.
Speaker 1: That's got broad shoulders.
Speaker 2: He does. Brenton Doyle's relatively wide.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're naming like guys I think of
Speaker 1: as extremely athletic center fielders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're still like they're not like they're not
Speaker 2: built like justin Crawford though, either something and I need.
Speaker 1: To go Joey Joey Weimer.
Speaker 2: Joey Weimer is just tall. I mean he's a big guy,
Speaker 2: but he's just tall.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking broad shoulders.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like built like a fire hydrant.
Speaker 3: More.
Speaker 2: Oh, I got it.
Speaker 1: Then at Langford, Jason Dominguez oh ye, yeah, you had a.
Speaker 2: Better chance to get it over his head. But like
Speaker 2: Jason Dimnez, also a guy that might hurt himself doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, now I'll try and get us back
Speaker 1: on track again. The top four of the draft went
Speaker 1: pretty as expected, and then.
Speaker 2: Then the Pirates, then the Pirates, and.
Speaker 1: The Pirates, but the Pirates generally, I.
Speaker 2: Thought, it's fine, this is a very Pirates pick too.
Speaker 2: It's like a decent hitting college center fielder that can
Speaker 2: probably play center. But it's like the most like this
Speaker 2: is the one where it's like, okay, that's not very exciting,
Speaker 2: where the outcome is like, yeah, there's some of there's
Speaker 2: some Michael lay Taylor since we already just mentioned him,
Speaker 2: there's a Michael Taylor here where I think he'll be
Speaker 2: like a major leaguer and are reasonably good one and
Speaker 2: should move quickly. But also like if he if it's
Speaker 2: not a plus hit tool, like this is just not
Speaker 2: really that.
Speaker 1: So just just for reference, and I think people should
Speaker 1: go back to our final a big board that we
Speaker 1: had he was Curry all was.
Speaker 2: Fifteenth yep, and again I assume he is. He might
Speaker 2: get something close to the fifteenth slot, but also like
Speaker 2: I feel like if you are going to do this
Speaker 2: kind of cut, you should at least be swinging for
Speaker 2: a little more outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and by the way, I mean this has.
Speaker 2: This has a little bit of like one hundred dozer
Speaker 2: vibes to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not sin too, dar Horne, As you said,
Speaker 1: this was as expected, but like our big board did
Speaker 1: go Chelaski, Emerson, Lackey Flora to start with with several EJ.
Speaker 1: Booth was was seventh, he went seventh. You know this.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of hits in this. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: again this was not a projection. This is just our
Speaker 1: big board. But to give you some sense, and again
Speaker 1: fifteen to five is not necessarily always as big as
Speaker 1: it seems. They're going to send her spread the money around,
Speaker 1: so be it. Other draft surprises.
Speaker 2: Surprises sounded like the.
Speaker 1: First one that really caused consternation early was the Red
Speaker 1: Sox and Jake Schaffner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again they end up signing Martin Schallar and
Speaker 2: the Nines. Who's going to take most of that, if
Speaker 2: not all of that? Bonus Cod and Adam was a
Speaker 2: high first round pick.
Speaker 1: Schalar for for reference for people, Schalar was our thirteenth
Speaker 1: overall on our big board, and the Red Sox took
Speaker 1: them in the night.
Speaker 2: That's the hell of a float too, because they got
Speaker 2: all the college guys they wanted in between basically as well,
Speaker 2: that's why you picked clar later. So the college guys
Speaker 2: that might go off and around, you know, push them
Speaker 2: back off your board and.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 2: Hand the like, look that was a reach at twenty.
Speaker 2: He is also a guy that if you get him
Speaker 2: a little more batspeed in twitch, could be a really
Speaker 2: good player, and that is something the Red Sox are
Speaker 2: very good at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it did. It was Yeah, people
Speaker 1: were reacting to it.
Speaker 3: People reacted to the justin Lebron.
Speaker 2: Yeah Lebron, and mostly take up Lombard dropping. But like also,
Speaker 2: this is not a surprise to me or our draft
Speaker 2: team that those two guys.
Speaker 1: Specifically dropped, Like yeah, well I would again, I recommend
Speaker 1: reading the write up on Lombard because it details a
Speaker 1: lot of.
Speaker 2: Look I like, I think if you're the Marlins, you
Speaker 2: got to take him there, like you take him there,
Speaker 2: you take the swing at that point if he falls
Speaker 2: to you, just because of the upside Lebron, even Lebron
Speaker 2: where he was picked. Like, again, nobody on our draft
Speaker 2: team thinks he will hit. He did not hit in
Speaker 2: the SEC this year. Especially. You know, we will see
Speaker 2: how that goes from there, basically. But I also get
Speaker 2: like there is enough upside and you can even argue
Speaker 2: enough floor with the defense and the power. But you
Speaker 2: would have also said the same thing about Vance Honeycutt,
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I Vance honeycut is getting to
Speaker 2: the majors.
Speaker 1: So right, Logan Hughes went earlier than Yeah, Again, the
Speaker 1: gaps here are not substantial.
Speaker 2: I saw Logan Hughes because when he came to town
Speaker 2: along with Caden Ferraro, I think went around three to
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, round three or four, and I think round four,
Speaker 2: I think he took Williams seven three.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I did not think, I will say this, I
Speaker 2: did not think the gap between Logan Hughes and Kiden
Speaker 2: Ferro was you know, seventy pigs worth or whatever. I
Speaker 2: thought they were broadly that Hughes as a better defender
Speaker 2: in that he can play corner outfield. But I don't
Speaker 2: think there's a huge gap there.
Speaker 1: And uh, I will say the the other one that
Speaker 1: that I saw people react. I think so it might
Speaker 1: just be my feet is filled with a lot of
Speaker 1: Mets fans. Was Carson Wiggins.
Speaker 2: Uh, this is if you want to be generous to
Speaker 2: this Mets draft, which I don't particularly and Jared even
Speaker 2: less so. Uh. The Mets are just going to have
Speaker 2: more information about Carson Wiggins than anyone else at this
Speaker 2: point because they have his medicals. He threw on the
Speaker 2: side for them. You know, he did not pitch obviously
Speaker 2: at Arkansas, much to the consternation of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: This is also just for reference for people. That's Jackson Wiggins. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Cubs prospect who is hurt a lot.
Speaker 2: He Carson Wiggins has been hurt for the last thing.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's kind of what I was what I
Speaker 1: was going for. Uh, it's his brother.
Speaker 2: Look, he is going to be a He's also going
Speaker 2: to be a REASONAB basically can cut at that pick.
Speaker 2: And they also paid it forward for Aiden Robbinson third,
Speaker 2: which is not again like, look, they took Aiden Robbins
Speaker 2: fifty spots after we ranked him, but he's also not
Speaker 2: necessarily a guy you want to be like flow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple other things I will I will mention. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Dodgers didn't pick until forty they took bo Bo.
Speaker 2: Is it lower allowance?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: I think it's just Lawrence, but it spelled.
Speaker 1: Lawrence but with an oh in the yeah, which is
Speaker 1: right around where we had him. That was, but that
Speaker 1: was just their first pick because they dropped. The Mets
Speaker 1: dropped to right.
Speaker 2: They were Mets drop ten spots. Yeah, so did the
Speaker 2: Phillies I believe.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the Phillies took Tyler Spangler. And then I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say the White Sox generally, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you can nitpick Chilawski, but people seem to
Speaker 1: like what they came away with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's they had twenty million dollars to
Speaker 2: spend or whatever. It was, right, they had a huge
Speaker 2: bull and like I even thinking of her best worst drafts,
Speaker 2: best or worst drafts, I loved the Cardinals drafts. And
Speaker 2: again they had a ton of money to spend. They
Speaker 2: traded for two cop picks in the and to Donovan
Speaker 2: Dio and they had I think a competitive balance pick
Speaker 2: of their own.
Speaker 1: And I know, I'm just gonna shout this out because Jarrett,
Speaker 1: really it's well our team, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was Jared really liked Chris Hcopian
Speaker 1: for the Nationals. Yes, and I'll shout them out because Rockville, Maryland, Yeah,
Speaker 1: gives the Nationals too. Get I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: their whole system.
Speaker 2: Again, Trevor Conton, Tikan Kun's I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals got Trevor Conton and which.
Speaker 2: I think are great picks of those spots.
Speaker 1: And then as phenomenal named Rocko Amunta Scalza.
Speaker 2: Yes, then they picked all my every big twelve guy
Speaker 2: that came through. They picked Andrew Williams, and they picked
Speaker 2: Cayden Ferraro. They picked the ASU pitcher too, I think
Speaker 2: the su or Arizona. But uh yeah, I think they
Speaker 2: just had a really good draft and again they had
Speaker 2: the luxury the flexibility to really.
Speaker 1: Push.
Speaker 2: But I think they also like and again I don't
Speaker 2: think they did crazy like full manipulation stuff with these picks.
Speaker 2: I think they just got good value ever where they picked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and they and they had, like you said,
Speaker 1: they had the budget to just take guys yeah right right,
Speaker 1: and and get good value there. So I think that
Speaker 1: covers it for us. Why don't we take a break
Speaker 1: and we can come back with the rest of the show.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to episode five hundred and sixty two of
Speaker 1: five and five. We're on segment three. We might actually
Speaker 1: hear from Patrick at some point on this podcast. It's
Speaker 1: been it hasn't been. Patrick areas of concern on this one.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that the Maryor's selected at a
Speaker 1: res and the only reason I noticed is because for
Speaker 1: some reason, Angel Reese was being cocked about a lot
Speaker 1: on the timeline at that exact moment when the draft came,
Speaker 1: you know, the pick came very confusing. It was it
Speaker 1: was a little confusing. I kept forgetting Ace's name because
Speaker 1: I'm like, there already is one. Also, the thing about is.
Speaker 3: That his middle name is Douglas, and I think that
Speaker 3: when he disappoints you, I think that's exactly.
Speaker 1: We'll go to our third segment. Rumor has it the
Speaker 1: Marlins are buying Yep, yeah, they should be.
Speaker 3: After spending two years not trading Sandy al Kantara, they're
Speaker 3: going to continue not trading Sandy al Kantar.
Speaker 1: Yep, sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Basically by the Guardians. Like again, I think we we
Speaker 2: discussed on the last show. I do not think this
Speaker 2: is a good team, but they are also close enough
Speaker 2: to the playoffs that they should be buying. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: you don't know if you're gonna be going.
Speaker 1: The four back of the They got swept, but they're
Speaker 1: stole only four back of the division.
Speaker 2: Like unlike the Dodgers. Let me mention that. But the
Speaker 2: Marlins do have way more information about how competitive they
Speaker 2: are in twenty twenty six versus twenty twenty eight. I
Speaker 2: don't know if to see will be any good in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty what.
Speaker 1: Do you think? So, Okay, the Marlins are gonna be buying,
Speaker 1: but what are they gonna be buying?
Speaker 2: They need a starter badly, like anyty like they could.
Speaker 2: They need a number four starter that is not Tyler Phillips.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's available?
Speaker 3: And they need a third basement so that they can
Speaker 3: free up Hoavi or so they had to be a
Speaker 3: utility guy, right, So there was a perfectly okay player,
Speaker 3: but he shouldn't be your starting third base.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not disagreeing with any of this. What's available?
Speaker 1: I mean they're again we've talked about this. I don't
Speaker 1: think Detroit is now six and a half back of
Speaker 1: the division. I don't think that they're gonna and I
Speaker 1: don't think they should. So, so who's selling h Royals
Speaker 1: are going to sell. But as our next item, know
Speaker 1: if you want they want to, Yeah, I'm gonna fold
Speaker 1: it in. The Royals want a lot for Michael Waka
Speaker 1: and Seth Luca.
Speaker 2: The Marlins could really use Michael walk.
Speaker 1: No, I agree. Should they trade a lot for him?
Speaker 2: I don't again, no, they should not trade a lot
Speaker 2: for him. I do not know what the Royals consider
Speaker 2: a lot. That's the part of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also don't know. I mean the Mets. The
Speaker 1: Mets might make someone available.
Speaker 2: I mean, par Alta is definitely available, like the Moilds
Speaker 2: could trade. Trading for Freddy. Parolta is not the worst.
Speaker 1: Not a bad idea. I don't know what they give up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it looks like a shorter term rental,
Speaker 2: so it probably won't cost as much as Michael Waka
Speaker 2: for some reason, like.
Speaker 1: He also has I think Patrick said last pod like
Speaker 1: Brady Singer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brady Singer bitch is hurt right now.
Speaker 1: Again, singers in Cincinnati to.
Speaker 2: Be I know, but I'm just thinking about other Royals. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, Singer was also a Royal himself.
Speaker 1: I mean could you get Ryan Feltner from the Rockies
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Probably pretty good? Pretty good, Like obviously that's a that's
Speaker 2: a much nicer home park for him to pitch in
Speaker 2: than Corey's too, given his right, given his skill set.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is difficult to find.
Speaker 1: UH sellers selling But like, do they have anyone?
Speaker 2: Like the Orioles. Probably should, He's been very good lately.
Speaker 2: The Oriols would consider flipping Trevor Rodgers as a rental,
Speaker 2: but they're also enough they're not going to do it right.
Speaker 2: They're buying the Mets don't really like they traded Peterson
Speaker 2: who the Marlins? Frankly, I know he's good for Chicago,
Speaker 2: but the Marlins could have used I don't know if
Speaker 2: they're going to make another. I guess Clay Holmes might
Speaker 2: be available one here. He's probably going to make a
Speaker 2: major league start or two before the trade deadline. He
Speaker 2: does have a opt out, a one year opt out,
Speaker 2: but it's not a lot of money, like it's it's
Speaker 2: an it's a low enough guarantee. I think you can
Speaker 2: make it work. Like he's unlikely to opt in unless
Speaker 2: he has like a catastrophic injury in the next three months. Uh,
Speaker 2: and even then I do like so it's like one
Speaker 2: in thirteen.
Speaker 1: The thing about this is like it screams like we're
Speaker 1: gonna acquire Tyler Molly. Yeah, and and hope he's been
Speaker 1: better Robbie. That's what this entire trade deadline feels like.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna poney up for a short thing. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying for the Marlins specifically, I'm saying for everybody.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be like we're gonna take someone else's trash.
Speaker 2: And I hope it's trade deadline POD is still gonna
Speaker 2: be three and a half hours long.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of trades.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of trades, and they're all gonna be.
Speaker 2: Like gonna I'm talking about like Lucas or sag.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's gonna be like we're gonna
Speaker 1: try and turn trash into treasure. It's just we're gonna
Speaker 1: take trash and hope it's less trash.
Speaker 3: And if the Marlin's on a third baseman, they're getting trash.
Speaker 3: There's yeah, I mean, there is not a third basement
Speaker 3: on the market.
Speaker 2: Package. Brett Baby and.
Speaker 3: Ret Baby is actually one of the Betts. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Anyho Suarez has struck out thirteen times in his last
Speaker 3: twenty one plate appearances.
Speaker 2: Has that raised for the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's like there's certain positions where there just
Speaker 3: aren't anybody right, and unfortunately it's several of the positions
Speaker 3: the Marlins need there are And.
Speaker 1: Also like the Royals are selling, they're not going to
Speaker 1: sell Mike Calgarcia, yeah, right, Like the Rockies don't have
Speaker 1: a third basement. It's Kyle Carros right, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: the Angels don't have a third baseman.
Speaker 3: No, leon Mancatta is you know, hurt again. You know
Speaker 3: for a center field it's Harrison Dater. Like for the
Speaker 3: millions time in a row, Harrison Vader is the center
Speaker 3: fielder around. He's on the aisle right now. He's also
Speaker 3: not good. He's got a one ninety eight opp eleven
Speaker 3: plate appearances this year.
Speaker 1: That's just it's very swat. I mean, he's just not
Speaker 1: been able to get going right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you are.
Speaker 1: You are essentially like you're not even trading for a
Speaker 1: better player at the position, You're just trading for another
Speaker 1: shot at something like you basically just have to have
Speaker 1: a you have have to believe that the other guy
Speaker 1: has a better chance of positively resting than the guy
Speaker 1: you have. Yeah, and I know this is the same discussion,
Speaker 1: so I apologize. But like the Blue Jays aren't going
Speaker 1: to sell, the Orioles have said they're not going to sell.
Speaker 1: The Red Sox are now in third place in the ALE.
Speaker 3: They're half a game out of the playoffs, right.
Speaker 1: The top four teams in the Central are not in
Speaker 1: the ALE Central and not going to sell. The Athletics
Speaker 1: and Angels might, but they don't really have anything. They
Speaker 1: don't have a ton to I mean, like maybe Redebtmers
Speaker 1: if they make them available, right, but like outside of that,
Speaker 1: there's not a ton to offer. The top four teams
Speaker 1: in the NL East are not gonna I don't think
Speaker 1: the Nationals are gonna hard sell or anything like that.
Speaker 1: They're game under five hundred, and that's after a three
Speaker 1: game losing streak. I don't the Central. It's only the Reds, right,
Speaker 1: and then and then the NL West and it's it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, you could pick any of them, but
Speaker 1: like again, you go to third base. Nolan Eronado has
Speaker 1: a no trade and has used it before. Uh, the
Speaker 1: many Matada is not going anywhere. The Giants. Look, if
Speaker 1: they were gonna move Casey Schmidt, I'm sure they could
Speaker 1: get a haul, but I don't think they're going to Well.
Speaker 3: They're just playing them in the outfield now. And he's
Speaker 3: a good hitter, yeah.
Speaker 1: But he's a good fielder yeah. And I mean you
Speaker 1: could play him on the infield, but like, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna move him. I mean, like these these
Speaker 1: teams just like there's too many teams too close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and the teams that are are far enough out
Speaker 1: that maybe they shouldn't like the And again, I don't
Speaker 1: know that you can even say the Orioles and Blue
Speaker 1: Jays are far enough out. They're two and a half
Speaker 1: games out of a wildcard spot. But like they they
Speaker 1: came in with enough expectations that they're they can't can't
Speaker 1: justifiably move off r.
Speaker 3: I mean we we we laughed about ja you joked
Speaker 3: about Jake luccarthy. He is one of the better options
Speaker 3: I there right now.
Speaker 2: The Mets are going to trade so many guys.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's gonna hurt inside the park. Yeah, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be weird deadline. If the Angels don't trade det Mers.
Speaker 3: It is really I mean, I understand why they don't
Speaker 3: want to do it, but also like, doesn't it if
Speaker 3: they don't say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess they're bringing in a new GM,
Speaker 2: and maybe you want a new GM and make the
Speaker 2: trade he wants. But that's also never like.
Speaker 3: This is the moment, this is the moment.
Speaker 1: This is the moment, right, wouldn't literally everyone line up
Speaker 1: for Redebtmers right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should probably trade s Riano too. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be bad anyway.
Speaker 2: Yep, there's a lot of control left. I guess, not a.
Speaker 3: Lot, but the same as I think.
Speaker 2: I guess he was a reliever for a while yet
Speaker 2: a haul.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, if you get a new GM, you can
Speaker 3: you can then flip those prospects if you don't like
Speaker 3: the like you know, they're not.
Speaker 2: The Dodgers are interested, yes, and also look, I expect
Speaker 2: whoever they hire is going to be at least somewhat
Speaker 2: philosophically aligned with John AZELI.
Speaker 3: X, that's true. That's problem.
Speaker 1: The last thing on rumor has it the Phillies are
Speaker 1: interested in Guriel?
Speaker 2: Yes, look, they need they are just gonna they are
Speaker 2: going to keep running through outfielders on like one year
Speaker 2: twelve million dollars contracts, even if they have to trade
Speaker 2: for them, because that's what he has left.
Speaker 1: Let's go to around the horn. There was a trade.
Speaker 1: There was has trade deadline season kicked off.
Speaker 2: I mean they had to do this trade before the draft.
Speaker 1: Yes, they did. Jacob Gonzales went and Jake Isaerc went
Speaker 1: from the White Sox to the Pirates. For you've put
Speaker 1: Jay Woods, I don't know Jake.
Speaker 3: I think it's Jake Woods. I think it's Brandonizer.
Speaker 1: I confused it. You're right, it is. I apologize Brandon
Speaker 1: iSER and Jake Woods and perhaps most importantly certainly listed
Speaker 1: ahead of Woods on the trade graphic pick thirty four.
Speaker 1: The Pirates, I think went from the Pirates to.
Speaker 2: The Pirates wanted to get rid of this pick because
Speaker 2: it costs them money and they could trade it. They
Speaker 2: can't trade there are the ones, so they have to
Speaker 2: you know, actually pay out there.
Speaker 1: But Bob Notting is running a tight ship over there.
Speaker 2: So the interesting thing to be for this is there
Speaker 2: was a lot of reporting around, like a lot of
Speaker 2: teams were interested in this pick, as you should be.
Speaker 2: It gives you a ton of it.
Speaker 1: Gives you a pretty high pick and the pool to work.
Speaker 2: Work right, you know, like the Mets specifically. I think
Speaker 2: there's some reporting that Brooks Raley was that's like it's
Speaker 2: a rental. That's a very good reliever, better than better
Speaker 2: than Brandon wind But like this became this Speci Civic deal.
Speaker 2: Construction immediately struck me as we just want years of control,
Speaker 2: like we want to we want to make the team better.
Speaker 2: Like this is ostensibly a bytray, but we want years
Speaker 2: of control.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I think it's a patch, right, and it's like you
Speaker 5: can patch like I think they said he's gonna play shortstop,
Speaker 5: which is even more is just an awful hasn't he
Speaker 5: been like a first base?
Speaker 2: Yes, and not a particularly good one. He was drafted
Speaker 2: as a shortstop like nobody. I don't think anyone coming
Speaker 2: out of college thought he would stick long term as
Speaker 2: a shortstop. Maybe at third base, but yes, he has
Speaker 2: mostly been a first baseman.
Speaker 1: I think that's it. That's a rough.
Speaker 2: It's six years of Jacob Gonzalez's thing. Great, but that's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: is he going to make our one? I don't know.
Speaker 2: But like instead of maximizing the return, they tried to
Speaker 2: maximize the years of control.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is like you mentioned Brooks
Speaker 1: really like, yeah, they could really use Brooks Relly. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else I I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess it's I. I liked this trade a lot for Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yes is how and the arm they got from the
Speaker 2: pirates suit is an uninteresting on top of everything else.
Speaker 1: And it was thirty four land and Tony or.
Speaker 2: Was it the Yes, it was Landed. I got all
Speaker 2: now it was land and tell.
Speaker 1: Me, but couldn't.
Speaker 2: Uh, what's There were a lot of weird blood line
Speaker 2: picks in the stret.
Speaker 1: A lot of blood line picks. J. J. Weatherholt gets
Speaker 1: an extension.
Speaker 2: Do you have the terms at eight one twelve point five?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: I think you So it's good again.
Speaker 1: With slot in right among around these ones.
Speaker 2: This is like the benchmark if you're trying to expense.
Speaker 1: It's below Connor Griffin.
Speaker 2: Griffin was a better Was that.
Speaker 1: One forty?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it was nine? Yeah, you know this
Speaker 2: is but yeah, you have the framework now like for
Speaker 2: McGonagall signed one, didn't.
Speaker 1: He McGonagall did sign one?
Speaker 2: I think around around Yeah, so again that you're starting
Speaker 2: to see the the range of the if you want
Speaker 2: to if you want to extend a j ewing, you know,
Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be like eight one oh five, right,
Speaker 2: Like we're getting into the there's a framework now for
Speaker 2: these kinds of.
Speaker 1: Is agent Ewan in that, I mean, probably a little
Speaker 1: less maybe, right.
Speaker 2: I mean I think if he was if he was, look,
Speaker 2: if you're si in the miners to be a top
Speaker 2: ten prospect in mid season, so we'd be around whether
Speaker 2: the whole was Obviously he's done in the majors, which
Speaker 2: is even I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry McGonagall was eight one fifty.
Speaker 2: Just look, there's gonna be different risk tolerance for teams
Speaker 2: and players. You know, the agents are gonna do what
Speaker 2: the agents are going to do. They're going to do
Speaker 2: work and like get what they can get. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like I think I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, I thought this was a pretty nice deal
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals at those he's been good in the
Speaker 1: majors usually that.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he is a little bit older. He's already
Speaker 2: twenty three, which I think right says him to started
Speaker 2: this too. But they're also you know, they've got his
Speaker 2: age twenty four through thirty one seasons, which is and
Speaker 2: like you know, he's say, he's a good second baseman,
Speaker 2: but he's not like super athletics, so you really don't
Speaker 2: want to This is like exactly the years you would
Speaker 2: want of JJ weatherhold I suspect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, I thought it was a nice deal
Speaker 1: for for Saint Louis and I you know, you understand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Weatherholds had some some hamstring injuries, various things, so like
Speaker 1: you you understand.
Speaker 2: He did get a big bonus. But yeah, it's still
Speaker 2: I guess that's hard to turn down on. Look, if
Speaker 2: he's really good, like he's hitting free agency again at
Speaker 2: thirty after his age thirty one season, it's not like
Speaker 2: he's older. But it's not like he can't get a
Speaker 2: five year million.
Speaker 1: Dollars in a war based incentives.
Speaker 2: How he's gonna win. I don't think. I wonder if
Speaker 2: Fanel Rookie of the Year is one of them, because
Speaker 2: he's gonna win it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I assume it is. I'm sure, I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: not all of it, right, but I assume.
Speaker 2: There's a Okay, Yeah, In.
Speaker 1: Very different news, the Dusan Bears, Patrick, do you can
Speaker 1: guess I put this.
Speaker 3: On the dog yeah, this is so this is a
Speaker 3: continuation of the Jake Cave note from a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago. So the j Cave recently signed the minor
Speaker 3: minor league deal with the Rays because he was not
Speaker 3: allowed to go back to the KBO, because the Dusan
Speaker 3: Bears decided they needed upgrade from j Cave to Dansk
Speaker 3: Cameron because j Cave wanted like a two hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars raised or something. And so now Duson has now
Speaker 3: cut Dask Cameron, who was still hitting well, but I
Speaker 3: think he had started off hot and a cool down,
Speaker 3: and so the Bears currently do not have a foreign hitter.
Speaker 3: They've also cut one of their pictures. I can't remember
Speaker 3: which one it was, Chris Flexen. They cut Chris Flexen
Speaker 3: who was not doing well as the Bears are currently
Speaker 3: in fifth place, and fifth place in the KBO is
Speaker 3: technically a playoff position, but not.
Speaker 2: Cut first one then the stop ladder or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the first one step ladder. You know, Frank
Speaker 3: teams have never won the KBO, so they're trying to
Speaker 3: make a push and so they have decided desperation is
Speaker 3: the way to go. So yeah, I just it's just
Speaker 3: just a little drama. I'm curious as to who is
Speaker 3: gonna go to do something at this point a certain point,
Speaker 3: you know, for players who are it's a.
Speaker 6: Little here, it's a little different editors, because hitters, it
Speaker 6: hasn't been a pipeline for like remaking oneself as a
Speaker 6: hitters for pictures.
Speaker 2: But Jared Young had some quotes recently. They asked him
Speaker 2: to change anything in Korea and he's like, no, not
Speaker 2: really like us. I saw like a broader variety of
Speaker 2: pitches and speeds and things like that, but like I
Speaker 2: would like like Eric Thames, actually I think changed some
Speaker 2: stuff over there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I can imagine like if you wanted
Speaker 3: to try and just go a swing only and to
Speaker 3: see like can I can I make this work against?
Speaker 2: But then Ryan ward come on down. I guess you
Speaker 2: actually playing in the Major, like.
Speaker 1: You trying more? You should probably, but you're Ryan ward
Speaker 1: types like Ryan Warden in five.
Speaker 3: Years maybe yeah, but then you know so so I'm
Speaker 3: like at a certain point, like who wants to play
Speaker 3: for a team that's so clearly willing to just completely
Speaker 3: And like.
Speaker 2: The other thing is like you can go to the
Speaker 2: Mexican League and be closer to home, and like you're
Speaker 2: maybe going to make as much, but it's going to
Speaker 2: be close enough, and it's going to be a little more.
Speaker 3: In the same time zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That Oh, I didn't even realize. Oh jeez, I
Speaker 2: was gonna say they could go get Adeline Rodriguez. I
Speaker 2: saw he was playing again, but he's already on Kia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing well. So ye.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere. Jacob de Graham might need any Alston. He's got
Speaker 1: a hip injury.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it sounds like for sure.
Speaker 1: There are some quotes he talks to the doctor. They said, basically,
Speaker 1: you can't really damage it more. It's about pain tolerance.
Speaker 2: We'll see they might give him. This is like a
Speaker 2: good time to give him a star making and just
Speaker 2: like you can like skip a start or something like
Speaker 2: that and you push him back or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, the A's have placed Nick Kurtz and Zach Geloff
Speaker 1: on the aisle. Uh. Geoff has elbow inflammation, Kurtz has
Speaker 1: a thumb spring and UH Kyle Kyle Harrison has left
Speaker 1: forearm tightness. Uh placed on the aisle. He said he
Speaker 1: already had a There was already an update that he
Speaker 1: it was already feeling better. But yeah, never never what
Speaker 1: you want to see.
Speaker 2: This is just another I think reminder that much like
Speaker 2: the draft, you don't want to call it on trades
Speaker 2: too early.
Speaker 3: M Like.
Speaker 2: Urban and Siegler have both been like pretty good this year.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying no, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Kyle Harrison was very good.
Speaker 2: He was, but like he also has left foearm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I don't know why my my
Speaker 1: immediate reaction was to go to to jo Farry Rodriguez,
Speaker 1: but that was the twin Priester jail I got. I
Speaker 1: just I got my Milwaukee Boston trades. Confused. That takes
Speaker 1: us to her game.
Speaker 3: All right, so we're doing a ka it's been a month.
Speaker 3: Uh we'll start off with a fun one. The gray Eagle,
Speaker 3: no great Eagle, the gray Eagle. I will say, I've
Speaker 3: never heard this nickname before. It is a famous player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I thinking, like older guy, Well you
Speaker 1: one would think.
Speaker 2: Ed Sprague is an Ed Sprague.
Speaker 3: I know that's quite a name to pull out.
Speaker 2: I think of him as I get older, like I
Speaker 2: just think of it. Maybe this when I started watching
Speaker 2: Ed Sprague, he was already older.
Speaker 3: But uh, no is Tris Speaker maybe the most anonymous
Speaker 3: great player in baseball.
Speaker 2: M I.
Speaker 1: The thing about Tris Speaker is like, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the one the inner Circle Hall of Fame guy,
Speaker 1: no nickname other than the Great, the Great, which is
Speaker 1: because he apparently had prematurely great Yeah.
Speaker 2: Billy Hamilton isn't even the most famous Billy Hamilton.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's just weird Tris Speaker, Like
Speaker 3: there isn't I always feel this way about Stan Mussel,
Speaker 3: And then I look at his numbers and like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I and Stan Musill like hit three thirty with four
Speaker 3: home I something.
Speaker 1: Tris Speaker had. Speakers thing was hits in a season
Speaker 1: record for some period.
Speaker 2: It was George Sisler.
Speaker 1: Well I know it was Sisler, but I thought maybe not.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I might have been a Speaker before
Speaker 2: Sisler in like nineteen twenty right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, Speaker won one Hall you know, one
Speaker 3: one MVP. He led the league in more three times,
Speaker 3: like he was just basically the star before Ruth. You know,
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixteen he hit three eighty six four seventy
Speaker 3: five h two and led the league in all three categories.
Speaker 3: You know, like a legitimately great, great, great player. I
Speaker 3: think he still has the all time lead for doubles.
Speaker 3: That the thing he is the most doubles in baseball history.
Speaker 2: The gray Eagle on his plaque.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's take a look.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, while I'm looking at that, you're number
Speaker 3: what next? One? Wonder Hamster.
Speaker 2: Read before.
Speaker 3: I It does not, by the way says say that.
Speaker 1: But the thing about, the thing about, no, the thing
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 3: I could see.
Speaker 2: I would have been shocked if he said yes.
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I did not think you were right.
Speaker 1: I know that I've heard this before.
Speaker 3: H Yeah. He was also called the professional.
Speaker 2: Hitter that Shannon Stewart.
Speaker 3: Uh. And finally, his third nickname in case of emergency use,
Speaker 3: The answer is Matt Stairs.
Speaker 1: Stairs.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was a pinch hitter. Yeah sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: one of my favorite. Yeah. No, and Matt Stairs just
Speaker 3: you know, people say his name is Wonderhamster because he
Speaker 3: looks like a hamster. And I looked at a picture
Speaker 3: of him, like, that's a that is a regular you know,
Speaker 3: big dude.
Speaker 1: Wonder Wonder Hamster should be a name. A thick running
Speaker 1: back Maurice Jones Drew. Yeah, wonder Hamster.
Speaker 3: If trist Speaker's nickname is the gray Eagle, then that
Speaker 3: insinuates that he only got that nickname once his hair
Speaker 3: started graying, which you know if it was early, surely yeah,
Speaker 3: but like how early?
Speaker 1: Right? Like he probably was thirty, right, Like if you
Speaker 1: gray at thirty people in their twenties doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know when did When did trist Speakers say?
Speaker 3: I just think like if it started at thirty, then
Speaker 3: like he spent the first decade of his career not
Speaker 3: having an name of all. Maybe people just thought Tris
Speaker 3: was enough of a nickname. Is name that were like
Speaker 3: just Tris, like you know what you're talking about. Maybe
Speaker 3: it was just one of those first name guys, right,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It still seems weird, all right. Next one,
Speaker 3: number three, the Brat.
Speaker 2: I've heard this one too.
Speaker 3: He was also called muggsy and stinky. To give you
Speaker 3: a sense of who this baseball player.
Speaker 1: Was, No, yeah, I had my mind went to obviously
Speaker 1: we're in the wrong area of alphabet, but my mind
Speaker 1: went to Adam Eaton, who was spanky. I definitely feel
Speaker 1: like I've heard the Bratt before.
Speaker 2: Ed Sprague. They're gonna keep going with it.
Speaker 3: I need to go look at what Ed Sprague's actual
Speaker 3: name was.
Speaker 7: All right, So no it is any stinky? Sure, yep,
Speaker 7: that makes a lot of sense, It does, allright. Number
Speaker 7: four Pops.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of I had did more
Speaker 2: than one here, but I don't have to think of
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: This one assigned because of his leadership role on his
Speaker 3: team and played for one team for a long time
Speaker 3: and also a Hall of famers. M and Spragg did
Speaker 3: not have a nickname. They showed up in the Baseball reference.
Speaker 1: Let me, let me, I got nothing today, Okay.
Speaker 3: Uh, somebody the only person the only thing that came
Speaker 3: up is someone said me and my brother used to
Speaker 3: call Ed Sprague rally killer. Pops is really startle?
Speaker 1: Yeah up, yeah, absolutely all right.
Speaker 3: Number five Bigfoot, also known by his friends in high
Speaker 3: school as Scantron, which I did not I was not
Speaker 3: able to find out why his nickname was Scantron, but
Speaker 3: I love it. Final nickname Mike John Carlo scanning correct.
Speaker 3: Craig's on the board.
Speaker 2: This tough.
Speaker 1: This's tough going floating right now.
Speaker 3: It should get a little easier with some of them
Speaker 3: not all of them. The next one La grand orange.
Speaker 2: A rusty stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's correct, nicely done.
Speaker 3: Also one of my favorite nicknames. A lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of my favorite nicknames in this list, some really
Speaker 3: good ones. The grand Range is just fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even it's not that's not not even right in French.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. Next one, the Old Professor.
Speaker 1: And Sprague the Old Professor, professor per oh, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: this is okay. I've what's upsetting is I've definitely read
Speaker 1: this in like a Stephen Goldman.
Speaker 3: You absolutely have possibly.
Speaker 2: The Casey ste.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing is I was just like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: it's and then I blank nt Yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, three to go. Jeff's up by one. Next one,
Speaker 3: Art vandal A, No, I think this is going to
Speaker 3: be Art vandal A. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say Wan Constanza, but we're in the
Speaker 1: wrong part of the alphabet.
Speaker 2: We're also producing Alexander too.
Speaker 3: Well, right, and and that's the thing. I think more
Speaker 3: and more we're going to see more nicknames based on this.
Speaker 3: I believe that this basically is a nickname based on
Speaker 3: this player's alter ego when not playing baseball, when doing
Speaker 3: other activities. He uses this alias, and I think that
Speaker 3: we're going to see this more with like, as more
Speaker 3: baseball players are on Twitch and and doing other things,
Speaker 3: their tags on those things will become their nicknames.
Speaker 2: I have no idea that, Okay.
Speaker 3: This is Spencer Strider. Yeah, it's it's the it's the
Speaker 3: name he uses when he plays poker and.
Speaker 1: And who wants to be my latex salesman.
Speaker 3: It's a Seinfeld reference. I don't know. Okay, next one
Speaker 3: chicken strip correct, Creig ties it up. I knew that.
Speaker 3: I knew after after having so many Casey stengles, I
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, this one's gonna be a rough one
Speaker 3: for cragging. Give him ross.
Speaker 1: I should have gotten stangled. That's that was the final one.
Speaker 1: This is the this is the one.
Speaker 3: Uh. Doctor Strange Glove. Oh, one of the most famous
Speaker 3: nicknames baseball history.
Speaker 1: Has other nicknames, but they are all essentially They're all
Speaker 1: essentially linked to the doctor Strange Glove nickname. He was
Speaker 1: also called the Man with the Iron glove, stone fingers. Uh,
Speaker 1: the uh, the don of first basemen of.
Speaker 2: His keithan Ron, especially Keith because.
Speaker 1: It feels like it was before my time.
Speaker 3: It is before your time. But it's it's a nickname
Speaker 3: that his you know, it's lived on I mean Doctor
Speaker 3: Strangelove is from the nineteen sixties, so yes, it's before
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he played in the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got no chance.
Speaker 3: All right, Well it is Dick Stewart.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.
Speaker 3: He has. Dick Stewart was the first baseman. He played
Speaker 3: for a bunch of teams, but most famously with the
Speaker 3: the Pirates early in his career. He made one All
Speaker 3: Star game, was down ballot MDP three times. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: was bad. He was bad. He had in basically, let's
Speaker 3: see eleven games he had negative twelve defensive.
Speaker 1: War That's really bad. It's hard to do, especially as
Speaker 1: a first basement, as a first baseman. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to make it. Well, does that I mean that factors
Speaker 1: in the penalty?
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, No, it doesn't factor in the penalty, doesn't. Well,
Speaker 3: wait me, I have to look. I can't remember if
Speaker 3: b REF does it that way or not. I think
Speaker 3: b REF does work it in the penalty for that,
Speaker 3: So okay, still bad, very bad.
Speaker 1: All right, Well I will I will take a salvage tie.
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, no pride. I will absolutely take it.
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