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everyone at your table. All right, Well, from December seventh,

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nineteen fifty Here is the big picture.

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Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true, only

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the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're

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a detective sergeant. You're assigned a juvenile bureau. A pair

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of fake talent scouts are at work in your city.

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They're victims, young girls seeking careers in Hollywood. The criminals

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are vicious, relentless. Your job get them.

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Speaker 3: Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime. Well the

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next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department,

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you will travel, step by step on the side of

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the law through an actual case transcribed from official police folence,

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from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. Dragnet is

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the story of your police force and action.

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Speaker 4: It was Tuesday, May seventh, was mild in Los Angeles,

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we're working the day watch out of Juvenile Bureau. My

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partner's Ben Romero, the bosses Inspector Bowling, Commander Juvenile Division.

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My name's Friday was ten thirteen am when I got

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to thirteen thirty five Georgia Street, second floor the squadron. Hi, Hi, Ben, did.

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Speaker 5: You pick up that latest run the Stat's office made

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for No. I don't think they got it ready yet.

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I notice there in the book. It's been ready since yesterday.

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You were over there, you could have picked it up. Well, yeah,

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what's the matter with you this morning? Don't you feel good?

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Just just stink and cool? Seam to be settling my chest? Yeah, sir,

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I help you? Yes, I'd like some information please. This

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is the two of them.

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Speaker 3: Bureau, isn't he?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 4: So there, What can we do for you?

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Speaker 8: Mind? If I sit down and climbing those stairs takes

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your breath away?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Sure, a.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: My name is Wayne Ken. Were the officers out here

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on the convention.

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Speaker 6: My home is in Minnesota. Went out last night with

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some of the boys at the Conventional. He stopped at

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a bar down on your Alvarado Street, Alvarado, Alforado. Anyway,

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we were drinking there, and the bartender got to talking

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to us, finally offered us some pictures for sale.

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Speaker 8: I got one. I'm right here. Let's see.

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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, there you are. I paid him two dollars

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for it. Just look at that, Phil. Do you have

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the address of the bar were you bought the Yes, sir,

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I have. Now, that's not the reason I'm here though,

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not a one man moral squad. I'm not the type

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makes a habit of buying. I've seen photographs of young girls.

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Speaker 4: Either, Y answer, we understand.

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Speaker 8: And I bought this picture from that bartender because I

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know the young girl in it.

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Speaker 6: She's the daughter of one of my neighbors back home Minnesota,

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known her ever since she was a baby. This girl

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came out here about eight months ago to live with

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a girlfriend. She was crazy for Hollywood. Thought she might

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break into the movies or something. She stopped writing her

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folks about two months ago. Hasn't been heard from since. Well,

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it sounds like a case for a missing person's bill,

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mister Kenley. Well, the girls folks have already contacted them.

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Nothing's been turned up, nothing at all. Then last night,

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just by an accident, the bartender shows me this photograph.

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Speaker 5: It's set girl, all right, no mistakes. Well, we'll do

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everything we can. They'll straighten it out.

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Speaker 6: To that young girl. I know knowner since she was

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a baby, good family, good training. She never would have

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posed for photograph like this, right, She's just not the type,

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that's all.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I understand. What was this young girl's name, mister.

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Speaker 6: Kenley, Lois Brewster. That's her real name. When she wrote

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her folks, she was using another name while she was

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out here. Thought it might help her movie chances.

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Speaker 8: Drake. I think that's what it was, Lynda Drake.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, about five foot four, one hundred and

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fifteen pounds, dark haired, dark eyes.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know where she is?

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we do. We had her case called to

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our attention. Where is she sure?

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Speaker 7: I no, sir, she's dead.

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Speaker 4: Two days before, mister Kenworth, they walked into Juvenile Bureau.

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The body of a young girl had been washed up

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on the shore just below the beach town of Venice.

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Apparently she had taken her own wife. The girl was

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a brunette, attractive, not more than seventeen years old. There

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was no identification on the body except for a rent

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receipt found in one of the pockets of a cotton

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jacket that the girl had been wearing. The rent receipt

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was made out to Lynda Drake that was signed R. L. King,

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eight seventy six Poria Avenue. The address was checked out

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and RL King was found to be the girl's landlady.

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After identifying the body, she told investigating officers that Lois

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Brewster alias Linda Drake had lived at her rooming house

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with a girlfriend for about six months. A girlfriend's name

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was Joyce Fowler. Alnady went on to explain that the

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two girls had moved out about a week before without

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leaving a forwarding address. The Faler girl had said that

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she would call back for any mail that might be

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delivered to the Peoria Avenue address. There had been no

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other leads to the dead girl's background or identity until

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her former neighbor from Minnesota, mister Wayne Kenworthy, showed up.

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Later that day. Ben and I met with Inspector Bowling

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and briefed him.

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Speaker 7: Here are you were out in business?

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Speaker 4: I'll buy that.

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Speaker 7: How far have you gotten with it?

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Speaker 4: Checked the dead girl's clints with a missing person's building.

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Miss Lewis Brusley. We notified the girl's parents in Minnesota.

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They're coming out to claim the Bonnie. It's pretty tragic.

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She's an only daughter, seventeen years old.

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Speaker 5: Same old story. We figure escaper, some plenty talent. Scott

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Grabran showed her their bride lages. Gotted a post for

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those pictures. One way or another, they can make a

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teenage girl go one of a hundred directions.

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Speaker 7: After that, this one ended up on a beach. That's

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all I care about now.

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Speaker 6: How about the girlfriend Lois Brewster was living with, Joyce Fellers.

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Speaker 4: No words so far or what about any ideas well?

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It pretty much depends on finding this Joyce foul. There's

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no background on her. We got out on all points.

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Speaker 6: How about phony talent scouts, cheap modeling schools, photographers.

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Speaker 7: Check out that angle.

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Speaker 4: We put four of them away in the past six months.

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Another half dozen of being watched so we can start

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double checking him tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: How about that picture that old fellow ken Worth they

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brought in ened E there, we.

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Speaker 4: Gathered a dozen samples just like it. Ones as bad

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as the other. They're all printed on the same quality

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photographic paper. There's no markings of any kind on them.

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There's a common type of paper, all.

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Speaker 6: Right, then get on the distribution angle to stay on

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at every rotten bum the pedals, this tragic get them.

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Speaker 7: I want to write up the.

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Speaker 6: Line distributors, wholesalers guy, the prints, the pictures guy.

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Speaker 7: That takes them every lousy want of them.

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Speaker 4: I still can't figure what's that other Brewster goes a

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good home, there, good training, she knew right from wrong.

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Speaker 8: Kids.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget that in a hurry.

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Speaker 7: Might have been our trouble. How do you mean she

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remembered it?

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Speaker 4: Wednesday May eight, six teams of men from Juvenile Division,

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working in conjunction with the Detective Bureau, started to drive

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against the obscene literature and photography traffic. Within two weeks,

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more than a dozen wholesalers, distributors, and small time peddlers

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had been apprehended and were awaiting prosecution. For we still

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had failed to uncover any new leads in the lowest

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Brewster case. The room mate, Joyce Foller, the all important

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witness in the case, was still missing no trace of her.

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The dead girl's parents arrived in the city, claimed the body,

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and took it back to Minnesota for burial. The drive

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continued another week passed. On May twenty ninth, on a

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tip from a usually reliable informant, Ben and I checked

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out a small photographic studio on Sunset Boulevard operated by

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an amo Joseph Martin, who was sullen and uncooperative. We

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checked through his files.

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Speaker 6: Just what I told you, A few special shots I

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cape filed away just for last. Okay, once in a while,

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friend drops in and I print one of them up

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for him. Yeah, hold that one up to the light.

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Some of them are nice looking dolls.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 8: I'd print one up for my friends once in a while.

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What kind of friends do you have?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: How about this negative here, Martin? Do you mind printing

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this one up for us?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 8: Officer, my compliments. How many copies you want?

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Speaker 4: One's enough?

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Speaker 6: If you say so, I'd see, ah, one of the best.

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I'll print it up right now this way. This one's

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a real collector's eye of me, you know, right. A

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friend of mine got me the negative a hundred bucks.

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It cost me worth it though, I'll make up a

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couple of pence.

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Speaker 8: Fully.

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Speaker 4: One's good.

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Speaker 8: Okay, anything you're saying you when I get that light

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switch for uh? Yeah, you're the phone, nigger.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you picked a good one, alright, Yeah, hit the

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paper in there. Yeah, and okay, one print, that's all

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you want, that's all. Okay, let's put it in the soup.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. I bet you get a kick out of this one,

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real beautiful girl.

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Speaker 4: How'd you happen to get ahold of this negative?

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Speaker 8: You take the picture? No, friend of mine got it

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for me. He cost me a scene of Here we go.

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Put it in the stubber, here we go. Huh uh?

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Speaker 4: How about the guy you got this negative from?

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Speaker 7: Did he take the picture?

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Speaker 6: No, he bought it from somebody else. I don't know

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who cost him three hundred and fifty. Where's the doub huh?

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I and I you know we've seen him before. Well

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i'd sell you know.

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Speaker 4: I brought me from her pictures.

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Speaker 6: No, cause you understand I didn't take the picture. I

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just bought a negative, that's all. You couldn't tag me.

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Speaker 8: For that, could you.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna try, mister, get your coat.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, wait a minute, how is I'm small fry

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in this operation? You'll know that you want the big fish, right.

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Speaker 4: We want all of you. You know who they are?

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Speaker 8: Some maybe must be worth something to you.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know better than Ned Martin. If you cooperate,

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we'll mention it in our report. That's all we can do.

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Speaker 8: No promises, not a very good offer.

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Speaker 4: You're not in a very good position.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 4: Am Old J. Martin was booked at City Jail for

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violation of three eleven PC. His file of lued photographs

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and negatives were impounded and booked his evidence. With a

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help of information which the suspect had given us, we

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were able to round up three wholesalers and another distributor

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of obscene books and photographs. Each one of them was

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questioned thoroughly. They ran into the same old routine. They

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denied knowing anything about the man who was masterminding a

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racket or where he was operating. From a lowess Brewster

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case dragged on no progress. In virtually every case of

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tracing the lube pictures to the point of production, the

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investigating officers were able to link the small time peddlers

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to their distributor, and the distributor to the wholesaler. That's

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where it stopped a dead end. Beyond that, nobody knew

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anything about the operation of the racket. Steakhouts were set

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up at locations where sales and deliveries of obscene material

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were known to have been made. Nothing happened. The drive

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stalled Thursday, June eleventh, and now Joe Yes Gabor the first.

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Speaker 6: Piece of news nob On the policewoman just call it in.

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You know Lois Bluster's girlfriend, Joyce Feller, Yeah, she's been found.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet called a solution to an

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actual case from official police files.

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Speaker 4: Like most organized crime, the traffic and obscene literature and

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photographs is a racket jealously guarded because of its heavy profit.

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It's nationwide and every year its millions of dollars for

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underworld promoters and their employees. As an organized business, it's

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one of the most vicious and insidious rackets that exist today,

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despite the fact that many citizens regarded lightly. Thursday June eleventh,

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ten Am Ben and I met with Policewoman Paula Johnson.

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She told us at the previous evening, Joyce Fowler, the

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girl Lois Brewster had been living with, had gotten into

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a brawl with an unidentified man at a bar on

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Sunset Boulevard. Police officers arriving at the scene identified her

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as the missing girl and handed her over to juvenile authorities.

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At ten thirty am, Joyce Fowler was brought to the

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interrogation room. She was a tall brunette, fairly attractive. She

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looked older than her age. Together with policewoman Paula Johnson,

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Ben and I questioned her.

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Speaker 9: I was out on a day with this man. We

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were sitting at the bar and he started saying things

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I didn't like what a row did. So man seemed

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cry a bit older than your Joyce. Was he a

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good friend of yours? Friend who's about fifty? I guess

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I thought he was all right? He wasn't.

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Speaker 4: How old are you, Joyce?

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Speaker 9: Twenty one? We've checked your background, Joyce, she might as

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well tell the truth, all right, I'm seventeen. I'll be

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eighteen next week. Look, can't I go get a nasprin.

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I've got a terrible hiddie.

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Speaker 4: I got something my locker, be right back. Okay.

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Speaker 9: I still don't know why I'm here. What do you

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want to know?

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Speaker 4: Well, you're a good friend of Lois Brewster's. You lived

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with her? Is that right?

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Speaker 9: Is that why I'm here? It's one of the reasons

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Lowis spent eight months out here. Before death. As far

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as these officers know, you lived with her during those

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eight months. We want to find out what happened to her.

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We want to find out what's happening to you. Nothing's

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happening to me. I can't take care of myself. That's

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what Lowis Brewster thought. George, how about her? You tell

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us she didn't know what she was doing. I don't

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know what happened to her. I'm to plan for bringing

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her out here. But it's not my fault what happened

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to her. It's not my fault.

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Speaker 4: Whose fault is it?

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Speaker 9: All of a whole rotten, dirty punch of her?

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Speaker 4: Here's your aspirin.

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Speaker 9: Tomb.

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Speaker 4: No thanks, I get some more.

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Speaker 9: M that's something wrong with us. Didn't you feel well?

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Speaker 8: I'll be all right right here you are? Thanks.

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Speaker 9: I don't remember too well. It started. Lois came out

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to Hollywood to live with me for six months now.

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We tried to get modeling jobs, big parts in the movies.

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We didn't have much luck. We had to eat pay

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the rent, so we took jobs his waitresses at a

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drive in place out on Santa Monica Boulevard.

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Speaker 4: Are you still working there? No?

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Speaker 9: We were only there two weeks and we got this

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other job. That's when it started. What was that one

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day these two men drove in with a brand new Cadillac,

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ordered a couple of cokes. I could tell they were

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watching as slow as than me. When they were leaving,

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they gave me a card. They said they were talent scouts.

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They asked us to come to their offices for interviews.

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You still have the card they gave you? No, I

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looked for it once. I guess I lost it.

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Speaker 4: Would you go on please?

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Speaker 9: The older fellow's name was Fred Ramis. The other one

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was mister Gilbert. They were both very nice. We didn't

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think anything was wrong.

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Speaker 4: Didn't you go for the interview?

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Speaker 9: Yes, Lois and I both went. They talked to us

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a lot, had us read out of his script, walk

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up and down. He said both of us showed a

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lot of promise. He said they wanted to be our agent,

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so we signed a paper. Fred Ramis told us he'd

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see we got a break.

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Speaker 4: Did either of them ever arrange any legitimate interviews for you?

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I mean with the movie studios, radio, television, aming like that.

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Speaker 9: No. They took us out quite a bit. Restaurants, nightclubs.

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Told us we had to be seen around town. First,

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had to show us off to the producers, all important

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movie people. Both of them were very nice and did

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you keep on working at the Dagon?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 9: They had me and Lois quit the job, said it

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wouldn't look right. We still had deep We still had

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to pay our rent. That's when they brought up the

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idea of the pictures.

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Speaker 4: What pictures do you mean, Joyce?

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry? Could I have some more water please?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Fred Ramis and mister Gilbert took us out to

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a big night club one night. Fred told us that

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if Lois and I had some good pictures taken of ourselves,

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he could show them around and get us jobs as models.

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That is still we got a break in the movies. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: After that time, how long did you norm these two men?

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Speaker 9: About about a month and a half. I didn't see

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anything wrong in it. So Lois and I went to

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this photographer's studio with mister Ramis and we had our portraits,

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taking regular pictures. Excuse me, Joyce, did both of these

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men know how old your girls were? We told him

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the truth, we were both seventeen.

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Speaker 4: What happened after that?

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Speaker 9: Mister Ramis came back and said he found ot an

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advertising agency. They wanted to buy pictures of Lois and

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me and said, we get twenty dollars a piece every.

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Speaker 4: Time we post for her portraits.

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Speaker 9: No for posing and bathing suits, pajamas, things like that.

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They was supposed to be for magazine ads. And about

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a week he brought us to his office and said

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the agency wanted us to pose without clothes, without anything.

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He said he'd pay us forty dollars for that. We'll

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go on, Jarl.

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Speaker 8: They showed us.

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Speaker 9: Lots of pictures of models like that. They talked about

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it all the time. They kept saying, no, both of us,

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Lois and I, did you ever agree a post for

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the kind of pictures they wanted. A cat agreed to

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something you don't know about. I don't know how it happened,

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but it did. Mister Gilbert and Fred Remis, they kept

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hanging us out. We used to drink quite a bit

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with him. Went on for weeks. I guess one night

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there was a big party.

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Speaker 7: We drank.

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Speaker 9: Lowis and I got separated. I still don't know what happened.

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Speaker 8: Let's see.

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Speaker 9: Next morning we both woke up with headaches. Fred Ramos

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came and showed us the pictures. I felt dirty, Oliver,

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I don't know what happened. I swear Blis began to cry.

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I hit mister Ramos. I slapped him. Ms, mister Ramis,

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tell you. He pretended to be very nice about it.

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Said he'd pay us well if we go on posing

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for pictures the kind he wanted. If we didn't, he

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said he'd wreck any chance we might have in Hollywood.

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Said he'd see that the pictures got out, threatened to

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send copies to our families, our friends back home.

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Speaker 4: Didn't you think of going to the police.

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Speaker 9: We talked about it. We were afraid of the publicity,

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the newspapers. We just kept going on doing what he said.

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It's like a nightmare, kept getting worse, We kept getting

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in deeper. Sorry, did she have that in book?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he recognize these pictures, Charles, Yes, mister Ramis, mister Jobrick,

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have you posed for these?

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Speaker 9: Yes, that's some of them. Well, it's drag a lot,

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so we wouldn't remember. That's that's not why Lois is dead, though,

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those pictures aren't the reason.

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Speaker 4: Well, how do you mean?

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Speaker 9: Joyce, Raymus and Gilbert. They'd fix up dates for us,

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they said, the men with their friends. Three or four

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times a week they called. We had to go out

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with them. We had to do what they said. One

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morning we got home about five point thirty in the morning,

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Lois changed said she was going for a walk. I

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went to bed. She left her note. I never saw

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her again. I see madam. Oh yeah, just man, it's

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at long distance. Call we placed your home, joys ran.

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Speaker 8: Oh.

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Speaker 9: Thanks, hello, Yeah, it's me Joyce. Yeah, it's just a mistake. Yeah.

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How's uncle Henry. It's well, no, no, it's all right.

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Don't you worry. Yeah, all right, I'll write you tomorrow. Yeah. Bye,

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Thanks for pleasing the call. Surgeons.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'll come Bland to do it.

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Speaker 9: Anything else you want to know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just one more thing. Do you still have

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that note that Lois Brewster wrote before she died?

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Speaker 9: No, I lost it. I remember what it said to him, said,

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I'm sorry. It was signed Lewis. That's all.

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Speaker 4: Joyce Fowler supplied us with the addresses of Fred Ramis

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and his partner Gilbert. She gave us all the names

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and addresses of all their friends and employees that she

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knew of. She also pointed out their offices and base

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of Operations Inspector Bowling ordered an immediate investigation into the

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background and business activities of both men. Previously convicted wholesalers

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and distributors of obscene photographs were called back in and requestioned.

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We finally completed the missing link in the supply line

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from the peddler to the producer. Five former workers for

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Ramos and Gilbert fingered them as headman controlling the rackets.

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Their offices and studio were rated and their files seized

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as evidence. On June eighteenth, Fred Ramis and his partner

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Harold Gilbert were placed under arrest.

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Speaker 7: What's the pitch surgeon? What's this all about? I think

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you know, mister Ramis, you can't take me on those pictures.

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Speaker 4: You want to get your hat.

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Speaker 7: It's artwork, legitimate artwork. My lawyer can prove that he'd

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better be good. He bet he is.

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Speaker 11: You know, I'm kind of surprised that you cops saying

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a word to somebody like that Fowler girl. She doesn't

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know what she's talking about. She's a psycho. We sure

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I tried to do something with her than that girlfriend

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who I signed up as our agent.

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Speaker 7: They were hopeless.

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Speaker 4: You've got quite a stack of negatives. Here pictures of

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both of them, seventeen year old and just candid.

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Speaker 7: Shots, you know, spicy for my private collection. There's nothing

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wrong in that.

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Speaker 11: I figured i'd give the girlth a break, let him

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earn a few bucks. Look, I couldn't have treated those

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girls better. I took them around, showed them the town.

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Speaker 7: Both psychos. I never did trust them.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the big difference, Ramis.

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Speaker 7: Huh, they trusted you.

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Speaker 4: Fred Ramis and Harold Gilbert were brought downtown to inspect

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her Bowling's office. Joyce Fowler was seated next to the desk.

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Gilbert was brought him. She identified him, He was taken

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out and held for booking.

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Speaker 7: All right, bring in the next one, all right?

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Speaker 6: Come on, yeah, can you identify this man, miss Voller?

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Speaker 9: Yes, he's spread Rams.

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Speaker 11: It's a trouble, Joyce. When you're satisfied with when I

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was paying you settle this between ourselves. If you had

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any beech, she could.

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Speaker 7: Have come to me.

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Speaker 8: You're lucky. Fred.

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Speaker 9: I'd kill you now if I could.

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Speaker 7: All right, so take him be back in a mat jab.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry. Doesn't do any good. Are there anymore?

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Speaker 7: That's about Uh?

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Speaker 4: You've helped quite a lot.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm glad I could do it. Is that all, Sergeant?

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Speaker 4: Well for now, Yeah, you'll have to testify at the

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trial after that. Juvenile Court's going to keep him pretty

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close touch with you.

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Speaker 9: I see.

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Speaker 4: Aren't you going back home, Joyce?

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Speaker 8: To Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: No, it'd be the same old thing. My aunt be

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glad to see me for the first week, and she'd

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start all over again, hollering at me. Picking wouldn't be

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any use.

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Speaker 4: What are you going to do out here?

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Speaker 9: Joy You know, I know a nice fell in Santa Monica.

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He's going to get me a job at a brand

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new drive in cute uniforms.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think juvenile Court's going to let you

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take a job like that, Joyce.

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Speaker 9: I hope so a lot of talent scouts go their

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radio movie producers. Did I notice me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I can tell might lead to something.

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Speaker 7: The story you have just heard was true, only the

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names were changed to protect the innocent.

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Speaker 3: On October fourth, trial was held in Superior Court Department

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ninety one, city in County of Los Angeles, State of California.

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In a moment the results of that trial, Fred Ramis

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and Harold Gilbert were tried and convicted on several counts

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of rape and loot conduct. They receive sentences as prescribed

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by law and are now serving their terms in the

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state penitentiary. You have just heard Dragnet, a series of

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authentic cases from official files. Technical advice for Dragnet comes

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from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,

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Los Angeles Police Department.

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Speaker 7: Coming up, we the people with Stories of Today on MBC.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. There are some episodes of old time radio

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that allow you to escape to a simpler time. Not

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so much with this one, as it deals with a

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recurring problem. In fact, a very similar story would be

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aired more than seventeen years later on Dragnet in nineteen

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sixty eight, and the same sword of thing happens today,

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but a lot of different methods are used, and it

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doesn't necessarily have to happen in Hollywood. As best I

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can remember, there are three episodes dealing with obscene literature

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or pictures in the nineteen fifties Dragnet radio series. The

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others are The Big Book and then later The Big Producer.

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This is easily the most dramatically effective of the three.

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The opening scene is very powerful. The idea of this

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out of town Guy's shock and heartbreak. That's the tone

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for this episode from the beginning. It brings us into

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the tragedy of what happened to this young woman and

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what it took to make this picture that was just

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for laughs. The core idea of this episode is that

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there's a story behind the picture. With the big book

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and the big producer, you're dealing more with views of

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public morase and also the technical aspects of the investigation,

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which can still be entertaining as they kind of peel

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back that onion to get to the source, but don't

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really form that emotional connection. And the series is talking

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about what was a very serious issue, and I think

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it was an emerging issue at the time because the

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rise of mass media had led to the birth of

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legitimate industries like film, television, and fashion, with big contracts

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and glamour serving as a draw for many young people

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or more than could actually find type of work they

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wanted in those industries, and there were rackets ready to

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take advantage of this situation. And as was often the case,

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Dragnet was talking about issues that other programs hadn't or

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wouldn't touch on for many years, which could be true

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of so many issues like child abuse. This series never

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chose to be exploitive or overly graphic in the way

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it dealt with these issues. There was a certain, I

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think sensitivity, which is why they could tell these stories

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even in times when they were more cautious about what

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could be discussed on radio or what could be shown

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on television. Listener comments and feedback. Now, and we have

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a couple of comments from YouTube regarding the Big Parrot.

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Betsy says, good one and Kurt says, my father and

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I loved watching Dragnet.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you taking the time to comment over there on YouTube. Well,

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now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of The

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Day Ahead and Think Eric. Eric has been one of

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our Patreon supporters since January twenty twenty two, currently supporting

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the podcast at the shamous level of four dollars more

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per month. Thanks so much for your support, Eric, and

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that will actually do it for today. If you're enjoying

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channels to grow. We will be back next Saturday with

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another episode of Dragnet, but join us back here on

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Monday for the adventures of the falcon Wear.

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Speaker 12: How long has it been going on?

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Speaker 9: How long has what been going on?

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Speaker 4: What was bothering you?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 9: What makes you think anything's bothering me?

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Speaker 7: Would you be here if they weren't?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm being followed to Wary by whom it's just

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the trouble I don't know?

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Speaker 7: And what does he look like?

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Speaker 9: He's kind of stucky and he's got red hair?

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Speaker 12: Does he have a Southern accent? How did you know

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he's a large brother of mine? What he's a private

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detective named Dixie Hamilton?

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Speaker 8: Oh, I see?

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Speaker 12: Have you any idea who hired him?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 7: You marry him?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Why?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 12: I would open up with other possibilities. What about your husband?

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Speaker 7: What about him? Do you think he's behind it? That's

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what I want you to find out.

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Speaker 10: If Jack is responsible for this, I will leave him

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so fast it he'll make his head swim.

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Speaker 7: Is he the jealous time?

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Speaker 9: Unfortunately?

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Speaker 7: Does he have reason? How dare you look? Dozie?

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Speaker 9: It is missus?

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime,

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send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net,

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from Boise, Idaho. This is your host, Adam Graham, signing off.