Speaker 1: Or lane and not talk about those things, although I
do talk.
Speaker 2: About what does that have to do with whether or
not you should talk about it or not? So I mean,
are you just a subservient person at all times, Trent,
when even the you just obey your critics. So when
a critic tells you to stay in your own lane,
you stop talking about how of this? I'm your critic, Trent.
I'm going to tell you, as a masculine man, to
stop talking about this nonsense that you don't know about.
Speaker 3: So will you now stay in your own Lanthuh?
Speaker 1: Some of those things? And I think Christians should engage
manisphere content, but I'm not going to do formal debates
or discussions on fringe topics, silly things or prudential judgments
we can reasonably disagree about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what you.
Speaker 2: Think are fringe topics are actually now the biggest news
story in the world, like Epstein and the connections to
John Paul the second And you're obviously coping covering up
for that and acting like it's a fringe topic, including
the subject that I've asked you for years to publicly debate,
the geopolitical entanglements of the Vatican. Now when I first
presented that to Trent. His response was, even know what
that means? What would it even mean.
Speaker 3: To debate the geopolitics of the Vatican?
Speaker 2: So I said, here, I'll put it in a more
precise formulation for you. What's a better explanation for the
actions of the papacy in the last century, the promise
of Peter that it has indefectibility and infallibility, or geopolitical
entanglements and power elites turning the theology to their own desires.
What's a better explanation for that twentieth century papal zeitgeist. Now,
if my position is correct, and if I made that
case convincingly, that would mean that Jesus again is not
promising a special petrine kerorism to protect it and guide
it as it's become an organized crime syndicate, as has
become a tool of globalization UNESCO type values, which quote
Francis openly said he supported.
Speaker 3: As well as Davos in its value use.
Speaker 2: That would mean that Jesus is not telling us that
we have to submit to a corrupt, wicked geopolitical tool
pushing all of the things that are absolutely contrary to Christianity.
Speaker 3: Well, what about all the times when they don't push.
Speaker 2: It, and it has nothing to do with whether it's
a contradiction, right if you say.
Speaker 3: Well, but there's all these places with the papers, who
says good stuff? That's the first thing they always run to.
Speaker 2: All that tells me is that it's a double speak bureaucracy.
I don't care that they say some good things over here.
Jesus says to not be double speaking, to not speak
out of both sides of your mouth. So when there's
double speak, that immediately suggests a lack of honesty, a
lack of integrity, And who can honestly say that the
Vatican has not become geopolitically corrupted, which is immediately why
this is such a big deal right now given the
Epstein information, that's why this is coming out. The Vatican
is obviously implicated in several emails, and they've immediately rushed
to cover that up and to explain it away. That's
what they do. It's what they've always done. It's what
happened with Bernard Law and the abuse cases. It's what
happened with the guy that ran what was Legionnaires of
Christ or whatever. The massive abuse cases they cover up
because they're liars and they don't care about what's true.
Speaker 3: For them, truth is a making operation.
Speaker 2: It's a creative process to make this system work. They're
system builders. They're like Hegel or Kant or any of
the philosophers or a quitness. They want to build and
construct a vast system, and that's the deity, this big system.
And then when that system has internal systemic level contradictions,
you update the system with development of doctrine and new
copes and copy and paste methods.
Speaker 3: That is why they.
Speaker 2: Are so worried and why Trend is having to double down.
He's concerned that Orthodox people ortho Beros are getting on
massive podcasts. I did interviews all week long. I had
almost seventy thousand people watch a six hour live stream.
I had three point three or five thousand live at
one point for my channel. That's massive, and a lot
of that was talking about Vatican relations. Yes, we covered
Mossad and Rothschild's extensively, but we also talked about the
Vatican angle, which none of these people will talk about
other than.
Speaker 3: Trent's Cope cover up video, which we will watch in
a moment.
Speaker 1: Tewod Timothy two twenty three says have nothing to do
with stupid, senseless controversies. You know that they breed quarrels.
I don't think there's a big difference between the political
arm and the apologetics branch that Andrew references to me
sides of the same coin. Apologetics shows people Christianity is true,
and politics works to influence people to enact various policies
that should reflect the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, then you should be all the more willing to
debate the geopolitics of the Vatican. Let me give you
a concrete example of where I can prove that that's
absolutely necessary and interconnected. Vatican two's document Gaudium at Spez,
as we have pointed out in many videos and lectures
and talks, is a political position paper a Vatican two
adopting many Fabian, Socialist, Marxist open borders, dearmament positions, including
many statements supporting the United Nations and UNESCO type stuff. So,
if the Vatican has a explicit position paper part of
its presumed magisterium of Vatican two, Gaudium at Spez, why
would you not defend its positions from the Vatican if
you just admitted that political positions reflect apologetic positions. So
him then saying I don't have to address the geopolitics
of the papers he because I don't do that. It's
not what I cover, it's not relevant. It's fringe. You
just said it's not fringe. Do you even know what's
in Gattia Mespez?
Speaker 3: Have you even read it? I bet he hasn't even
read it.
Speaker 1: But in many cases, to convince people to do something
like vote against abortion, you need to convince them the
Christian position is true, or you need to do apologetics.
And I agree that to change culture you have to
do political things like lobby, campaign for candidates, and argue
for policy changes and prudential actions among individuals and communities.
These things are outside of my wheelhouse, so I'm grateful
for the Christians who do them well. One example I'd
mentioned would be Virginia House of Delegates member Nick Friedis,
whose show I went on earlier this year, We Don't
Thnik is a great example of how to be tough
and masculine. I certainly wouldn't want to get in a
fight with the guy, how to advance God's kingdom through politics,
and how to be charitable while doing all of this.
In fact, the most masculine men that I know the
guys who could legit kill you with their bare hands.
They don't go around puffing out their chests and verbally
abusing people.
Speaker 3: Now again, for those that are curious, here is a thirty.
Speaker 2: Eight minute talk that was clipped over at dire Central,
just specifically on Trent's official political position that he must
support via the Vatican aka Gaudium at Spez, the Marxist
Fabian socialist document confirmed by Paul the Sixth in nineteen
sixty five. So this is the Vatican's official geopolitical statement
right there.
Speaker 3: Now, he mentioned Nick.
Speaker 2: Freitas, who I thought that is he a Protestant? So
his example of masculinity actually has to go to a Protestant.
Interesting that he didn't mention Tim Gordon. So correct me
if I'm wrong, because I remember, I remember I had
some DMS with Nick Fretas and we were going to
do a podcast, and then he ghosted me. I guess
because I'm too mean, or he found out that I
debate Protestants. But somebody correct me, is is Nick Fritas
even a Roman Catholic? Because that's very telling to me
that when Trent thinks of in his mind, the first
most masculine Christian commentator that's out there.
Speaker 3: He goes to a Protestant.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even go to Tim Gordon, Like what I mean, Okay,
I guess so, but this guy might be a Catholic.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's see what he is, do.
Speaker 2: You guys know, Yeah, he's a Protestant. He doesn't even
mention his own Tim Gordon. By the way, Tim Gordon is.
Speaker 3: A buff dude.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Tim would beat my ass have we
got in a fight, So it's kind of an insult.
I would say, like, he doesn't even think of his
own masculine Roman Catholic. Who's that other guy that was
named Mano, the guy that does the masculinity podcast or
used to do it with Tim Gordon?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a buff Roman Catholic, straight dude.
Speaker 2: He didn't even think of any of those. He immediately
went to a Protestant dude.
Speaker 3: This is just weird.
Speaker 1: Guys who do that are usually over compensating for some insecurity.
True masculinity reveals itself in being assertive without being unnecessarily aggressive.
For example, and William Albrick's debate with Ryan fromnigod dot Net,
Albrecht exposed how Ryan used a fake quote from the
Church Fathers in a previous video.
Speaker 2: Are you sure you want to go to William Albrecht
for your paragons of masculinity examples?
Speaker 3: I mean, William Albrach has the biggest He's got the
biggest list the bay out there.
Speaker 2: If you let it go to William Albrack, you better
be watching it off for that list because masculinity. By
the way, this is something else I've noticed that a
lot of these guys don't even touch is. Everybody immediately
thinks of bodily strength, and that makes sense. I mean,
obviously that's kind of one of the first things that
you would think about in terms of masculinity. But let
me give you an example of masculinity and body strength
not matching up.
Speaker 3: Don't we all know that a lot of.
Speaker 2: The workout obsessed body workout stuff sphere is gay.
Speaker 3: Of course, So wait.
Speaker 2: A minute, if it's masculinity and working out that is
characteristic or excuse me, If working out is characteristic of masculinity,
then why is it so full of gay dudes?
Speaker 3: Also, I went to high school with a.
Speaker 2: Lot of guys who were very buff, athletic jock dudes.
And guess what happened to many of those guys. Oh,
they got cocked by various women, left by various women,
cheated on by various women, and are in many cases
now fat beer swilling.
Speaker 3: Football watching simps. What's getting? What am I getting at here?
Speaker 2: He's messing one of the key component which he himself
doesn't understand, which is mental strength. There are plenty of
dudes that are physically masculine, like say Wes Watson, but
are mentally absolutely fragile and effeminine. It's just funny to
me that these guys all immediately think of bodily strength,
which is a component of masculinity. Dudes should be in
the gym. Dude should be strong, physically fit. Absolutely, you
should be able to do a lot of push ups,
a lot of pull ups.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: But it's also mental strength, psychological strength that really expresses masculinity,
that enables you to not be a simp. In fact,
it's worse to be a simp than to lose your
temperate sometimes, as dudes often do. Dudes do that, Think
back to the schoolyard, you and your buddies, You get matt,
you scrap, you have a brawl, afterwards, your best buds,
You're playing Nintendo.
Speaker 3: That's what guys do.
Speaker 2: That's normal behavior in the dude realm. Dudes talk crap,
you're going to play basketball. You're talking crap to your buddies.
You're trying to get in their head, mess them up,
and then play in the game. Right, That's what dudes do.
But these people are not normal dudes. They think that
normal dude behavior is the worst behavior, and so they've
actually bought into the feminist view of what Christianity is
and male feminism is to castigate normal male behavior. Yes,
men can fall into vices. They're prone to their own vices.
I'm not supporting male vices, but what I'm saying is
that this is all so wrongheaded as to what masculinity is,
what Christian masculinity is, and they immediately don't even think
about the number one thing that would characterize masculinity, which
is rational strength, mental strength. In fact, he mentioned frighttas
who is turns out he's a Green Beret. We've talked
to a lot of military dudes over the years, etc.
Guys that went into black ops, guys that went into
intelligence operations, etc. Do you think the most important characteristic
for those guys was merely physical strength, No, of course not.
It's mental strength. And mental strength means that you would
know and identify realities in including biological realities about men
and women. So just from a biological perspective, focusing on
male strength, as Trent just did with Nick Fritos, wouldn't
that tell you that women are also thus necessarily typically
physically the inferior. Of course, that's common sense. Yet Trent
seems to triple quadruple down to defend the position of
first wave feminism that there's some sort of equalitarian relationship
between men and women in marriage, which is just simply
not true.
Speaker 1: He probably got from a lazy Google search, and Albreight
was assertive and not letting Ryan Weasel's way out of
this revelation.
Speaker 3: I want to pause for a moment and give you
a chance to read the whole of that.
Speaker 2: Quote again, citing the most lispy, leather daddy Roman Catholic
apologist out there, William Albrecht, who wears a Cassolic with
a Roman Catholic dog collar. Has anybody explained or found
out why a layman is wearing a Roman Catholic priest outfit?
And why on his icon wall did he have a
giant poster of himself in his gay workout gear. I'm
not joking. We covered that in the in the Albrech
video the other day. This is his example of masculinity.
A Protestant dude and lispy leather daddy albright. This is
this is comedy itself right here.
Speaker 4: Can you get that full quote and read.
Speaker 3: It for us?
Speaker 4: Donavon hand?
Speaker 3: But I can. I will wait for us.
Speaker 4: That's fine. If you want to waste your time on this,
that's so good.
Speaker 3: It is brutal for you because I know where you
got it from. I know you got all this. It's
brutal for you because I know where you got it from.
Speaker 5: Because I'm I'm a frequent traveler to list dot com
and to Also I have many mini profiles on grinders
dot com. So if you guys want to message me
afterwards when I take off my fake Catholic oh, you
can find me at grinders dot com.
Speaker 3: Quotes from Google dot com.
Speaker 1: You did zero research, are you aware?
Speaker 3: Ryan? You did zero research? Zero research?
Speaker 2: Again, this is his example of proper masculinity. That guy
with the gayest lisp since James White.
Speaker 3: That that is a fake quote. It doesn't even come
from Saint Jerome.
Speaker 1: Christian shouldn't be pushed goods, but we also shouldn't, as
Andrew says, do everything we can to maintain political power.
After all, Christians can't do evil so that good may come.
As Paul says in Romans three eight. In our email exchange,
Andrew said, politics is ugly, dirty, brutal. There's doxing, swatting, assassination, attempts,
reputational destruction, slander and rumor mongering. That's true, but Christians
should not use those tactics against their opponents, even if
they are used against us. We shouldn't dox people knowing
that this could lead to them being harmed. We shouldn't
spread lies, and we definitely shouldn't asassinate people, even if
they talk about killing us. In our exchange, Andrew said
that he agrees we shouldn't do those things either, but
I would add onto the list that we shouldn't even
be verbally abusive when we are mocked. We should instead
imitate our Lord, who endured abuse without striking his abusers.
That's why I agree with what Joel Berry from the
Babylon b said on tim Poole's.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Now, let's go to the Zionists. Let's go to the
evangelical Zionist disinformation outlet to prove our case on morals.
So where's where are we deriving our examples from Protestants, Skittles,
Rumman Catholics and Zionist evangelicals.
Speaker 1: This is laughable podcast about how Christians are handicapped in
fighting evil because we have principles and our opponents don't.
Speaker 6: That is what makes this fight so unfair, all right,
because we are our enemy is a.
Speaker 2: By the way, this is another person who will not
debate because he just wants to spout evangelical Zionist quasi
dispensationalist theology and he doesn't do debates. So, of course,
not because I d in with this guy trying to
get him to do a debate.
Speaker 3: He will not do it.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that it would conveniently come up that
if you pressed him, because I'm mean and have toxic behavior. Now,
I'm also surprised, in the midst of all these whining
rants that Trent hasn't found a way to call us racists.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he hasn't called me racist yet, But maybe
that's the next phase. That's that's the next level.
Speaker 2: He's going to go full professor day and make impressions
and jokes are not going to be full racist because
at root, I think what we're seeing is that Trent
has of veneer of Christian conservatism. But really it's just
a kind of mushy lib view.
Speaker 6: Ultimately, by any means necessary enemy they only want power,
they'll do whatever it takes to achieve it, and here
we are on our side.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm curious does Joel Berry's commentary there
apply to Natanyahu. Is he talking about the political class
like Biebe? Is he talking about those people or is
that exempted because he thinks that the atheist nation state
of Israel is God's chosen people who, by the way,
Trent Horn also, I can very clearly tell, only wants
to come after people that also don't express the correct
geopolitical positions. I'm curious if Trent has any criticisms of
rabbinic philosophy. And I'm told through the grapevine that he's
actually about to do a video perhaps defending the Talmud
from misinterpretations of the Talmud. So what does that tell
you about the direction that Trent's.
Speaker 6: Going in as Christians, I'm a Christian.
Speaker 2: Oh and speaking of that, he already kind of did
this by tone policing me about a ridiculous joke about
a ridiculous con man. Bishop tilled Us want tilled Us win.
So it's more important to tone police me over a
funny joke than it is to call out a rabid,
anti white, vicious huckster Marxist, openly Marxist.
Speaker 3: That's more important. It's more important.
Speaker 2: To defend John Paul the Second's relationship to the Vatican
is to the to Epstein, than to actually investigate it
and see what's going on. It's more important to triple
down and defend the Vatican at all costs. Now that
the Vatican teaches essentially a judaized theology post Vatican two,
and there is a video right there showing that Vatican
two teaches through Gudium spez Fabian Marxist socialist teaching.
Speaker 6: We have rules, we have morals, we have things that
we can't do, right, I think that we should do
whatever it takes, you know, tactically in.
Speaker 2: Other well, welly, the way, isn't it Essentially that Trent's
approach is to build bridges in an ecumenist way by
citing these ridiculous people like this guy as the examples
of Christian piety and Christian media. You know, the paragons
of Christian media are Evangelical Zionists, Protestants and and absolute
creep Roman Catholics like all breck.
Speaker 6: To win short of violating scripture. And that's what makes
the fight unfair. But here's the thing, here's where faith
comes in.
Speaker 3: Is a Christian That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: Trend Horn, Trent wants to liken himself to the Council
of Trent, right he don he calls podcast Council of Trent.
Speaker 3: Well, the Council of Trent.
Speaker 2: Teaches the death penalty as part of natural justice and
the Catechism of Trent. So I think it's more like
trend Horn is much more appropriate.
Speaker 6: We believe in a god who rules the universe, who
is on the throne, who used Gideon's three hundred men
to defeat an army of thousands, who used David to
defeat a giant, who says trust not in horses and chariots.
Speaker 2: But okay, whatever, dude, all right now he's going to
get to me and why I'm a bad person.
Speaker 1: Do as Christians is abusively attack or insult those we
disagree with.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a rabbid, vicious, Marxist, con man, activist, black
fake bishop. You guys all know that the black, fake
activist people get in on a grift like Reverend Al Shopton,
REVERESSA Jackson.
Speaker 3: They're not even actual preachers, they're just activists. Everybody knows this.
Speaker 2: Well, guess what bishop, whatever his name is, Tildos Winton
is one of those publicly rabbit.
Speaker 3: So Trent's more concerned with tone policing.
Speaker 2: A funny, ridiculous joke calling out his fake apostolic claims.
Speaker 3: You've put a pussle respect on Monday. Give me a break, dude,
you're a Al Sharpton huckster.
Speaker 2: But according to Trent Horn, you shouldn't even have that
kind of a joke about a huckster.
Speaker 3: A fit.
Speaker 2: His own church thinks this guy's a fake bishop. But
this is all he could find to try to say
that I'm a bad Christian because I made a joke
about ridiculous fraud person.
Speaker 1: You can use blunt language to call someone out for
being dumb, evil, or both, but there are clear cases
where the language goes to fun bro.
Speaker 7: Don't hurt the feelings of the Blacktavists. How dare you
hurt the feelings of a Blacktivist? How dare you call
me Bishop Tilda Swinton? Puss a respect on that name?
Speaker 1: Name are and just makes Christians look bad? For example,
callol philosopher Trent Doherty has profanely lashed out his opponents,
since you have teamed up with a.
Speaker 2: Oh so at least some final admission of a Roman
Catholic who did something wrong.
Speaker 3: This is finally sexual atheist to defend your theology. That's
that's a piece of move you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and even threatened to beat them up. Do
you have you do you have any boxing experience or
or do you want to? When Jay Dyer was on
Piers Morgan, he repeatedly mocked Pentecostal I let Talbert Swan
by calling him till the swing Bishop.
Speaker 3: You pust so respect on that name, Trent Horn. Listen
to me, Trent Horn, you better pus a respect on
that name. It's bishop.
Speaker 2: By the way, isn't Trent not respecting him? But by
not calling him Bishop.
Speaker 1: Tilda Swinton Winton the name of a Hollywood actress.
Speaker 3: It's the same logic that this guy has in terms
of his liberation. Talbert Swan, my name is now my
name is Bishop Tarver Trent.
Speaker 2: He's not a real bishop. He's a con man. He's
a fraud, and it was funny to call him Tilda Swinton.
Speaker 8: This guy, you've been dealing with me in a very disrespectful.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, Bishop till.
Speaker 1: Sam Schmuon is also frequently.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that ship was funny, dude, Just like when
I called the two gaytheists gaytheists. Millions of people thought
that was funny from the clips they got, millions of yews.
Speaker 3: This is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Trent, I'll send you some of
the worst stuff, because that's not even.
Speaker 3: The bad stuff for me. That's actually funny stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll try to find you some clip where I actually
made a mistake. Trying to think when did I actually
get mad, as it's been a long time since I
really just lashed out and got.
Speaker 3: Mad on the stream.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't even know when insulted his critics.
Speaker 9: The stupid fat cow. Oh here's while your mother being
her she h pluster to it in Iran shut to
help you stupid buster, do you stupid dump?
Speaker 2: So this is a perfect time to give a shout
out to the number one most not craziest Roman calic apologists,
your boy Sam Shamouon.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna play a little bit of a musical
interlude just to take a little bit of a break
because I'm gonna go t t to the girls room.
Then we're gonna open it up for some calls. So
here's a little bit of Sam Shamoon Marie for you
guys while I go te te tam show Moon. That's
actually good word though, by the way.
Speaker 2: I wonder maybe what we should have We should have
Trent set up a congregation for the morals of Internet discourse.
Speaker 3: Right the papacy has their holy office, we need.
Speaker 2: Trent heading up a holy office of appropriate public moral
statements for commentators. I think he would do the best.
He's certainly the most moral of all of us. Clearly
he's demonstrated out beyond a shadow of a doubt in
these videos.
Speaker 3: We need you at the head of the.
Speaker 2: Congregation for the Holy Office of moral public commentary because
we're all lost without the moral compass that is Trent Horn.
So thank you Trent for calling attention to this. I
definitely want you to be the Inquisitor General for Internet discourse.
No one else could be more moral in that position.
So we're gonna have to see Trent, do you approve
of this video making fun of Sam Shamoon or have
I once again fallen into the sad moral abyss that
is Jay Dyer and toxic uh Orthobrodoxy.
Speaker 10: You.
Speaker 8: Sam's Moon on the dance floor, Sam's move, He's had
dance clove, He's single, He's got a little bit of dust.
Speaker 3: On his shoulder because he can't clean up his nasty
as cat apartment. Sam Shi Moon is on the dance book.
Ladies orbs, Oh it welcome, He's dance with Shut up.
I've got moves, moves moves.
Speaker 8: All you pretty orbs on the dance floor, moves up
tonight are your gay horse on the dance floor, I.
Speaker 3: See a horse long tonight. Dick Shapley, orbs come and
dance with Sam single hometown your mom too. He's got
man boots. He can relate to you. Sam show boots
on the dance floor. To night, All you orbs on
the floor Tonight, Night's night. Every ord on the dance floor.
Speaker 8: Bluta with the se of to night, every orb on
the dance floor, Bluta with the shee of to night.
Speaker 11: Do the sam shovel sam shovel tonight, muta would it's
on the dance floor.
Speaker 3: The dance Oh this is just morally reprehensible.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe anyone would dare to try to make
these kinds of jokes. Absolutely morally reprehensible. Anyway, I hope
that we can get the Holy Office for uh moral
Internet discourse going, and I nominate Trent Horn to be inquisitor.
Speaker 3: In general, I can't think of anybody more moral. So
but there we go. If you want to watch the
rest of that, it is of course at my channel
right here now. Guys, remember we are on a streaming explosion.
Speaker 2: We are going stream crazy because guess what you get tonight,
you get more toxic masculinity after this stream as I
go live with the One and the Only.
Speaker 3: Little Aides. Yes, I'm talking about Tristana herself or z
self zimself. Tristana zimself will be making a return immediately
after the stream streaming with me. You got me right,
You've heard it right? What you actually talked?
Speaker 2: Tristana zimself coming out of retirement for a stream I did,
I did, and immediately after the stream, we will be live.
I am on a stream explosion tour that sounds weird
and grows. But uh, let's finish Trent's video here and
then we will listen to his Epstein video and see
where that goes.
Speaker 9: Let me tell you why, David, You're a stupid, fat bastard.
You're too much of a narcissistic, sociopathic scum.
Speaker 2: Because, by the way, how did Sam on what basis
did Trent decide to bleep in the previous video of
the word shit but then not bleep all of scam sham?
Who's like again, it's funny to me, Like, what, where's
Trent's line between the words that are the bad words
and then the words that are not bad words that
you don't bleep out?
Speaker 3: Again, this is just funny to me.
Speaker 9: The Bible is busy talking about your mother being a whore.
Speaker 3: Your mother's a whore.
Speaker 9: You're a bastard, you're a feminine queer, you're gay, and
Satan's proud of you because.
Speaker 3: You're a muta with the SA. Tonight, every orb on
the dance floor, dance dance.
Speaker 1: Dance San sham Shamu or Satan you stupid or Thankfully November,
Sam asked for prayers to stop swim and claim the
insult your mother is a whore? Yeah right, or was
a metaphor for his opponents being children of the horror
of Babylon.
Speaker 3: I have to give credit. That's actually funny. That's actually funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sam Chuan is absolutely batshit crazy, but that's
actually fun I mean, I'm literally he's insane, but that's funny.
Speaker 1: Not a statement about his opponent's mother's literal sexual history.
It seems like Sam won't use that language in the future,
and I hope he doesn't because most.
Speaker 3: People he must be joking. Trent surely right.
Speaker 2: I love the grace extended by Trent to one of
the absolute worst people out there, scam Shamou. Funny how
nobody else gets that same grace extended that he extends
to the one of the absolute worst offenders of what
he's critiquing in this video. There's no one on the
Internet worse than Sam Chamou when it comes to this topic,
and it's amazing the level of grace that trans granting
to scam Shamou. But I don't really detect that with
the Ortho Bros or anyone else.
Speaker 1: People would take what he said as a literal insult
and not a metaphor about their own sinfulness. When Jesus
insulted people, he accurately described them as hypocrites or evil.
Speaker 2: He was no, wait a minute, So now we're getting
to the when you can, according to Trent, do accurate insults.
Speaker 3: So interesting, So as long as it's accurate.
Speaker 2: So if you are in fact effeminate and soy mentally, Trent,
because I'm sure you do work out, you don't seem
to be physically weak.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: It's also mental weakness that I think we're talking about here,
and it kind of cowardice when it comes to things
like challenges on specific topics like the geopolitics of the papacy,
that kind of stuff. Like then I guess I'm off
the hook, right, because if I make fun of Talbot
Swan because he's not actually a bishop anymore than Tilda
Swinton as a bishop, then my jokes are get a
free pass.
Speaker 1: Right exposing their sin to lead them to repentance. Jesus
didn't just abuse people for his own amusement or for
clicks or to get out sinful wrath and anger. However,
some terminally online people will say, you can be a
good Christian and still go scorched earth on your opponents
because Jesus whipped the money changers in the temple. But
the Bible doesn't say Jesus whipped anyone. John two fourteenth
fifteen says in the temple he found those who were
selling oxen and sheep and pigeons and the money changes
at their business, and making a whip of cords, he
drove them all with the sheep and oxen out of
the temple, and he poured out the coins of the
money changers and overturned their tables. Jesus is described as
overturning the tables after the money changers left the temple,
not throwing tables on top of them, and the clause
he drove them all with the sheep and oxen out
of the temple isn't the best translation to this passage.
Speaker 2: So essentially, Jesus formed a whip that he didn't use.
I mean, this is the absertity of this weird twisting
of the text. Like, so he formed a whip, drove
them out, and just held the whip, Like obviously it's
saying that he drove them out with the whip.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is kind of ridiculous because the common
Greek words for with are not in this part of
the passage. The passage literally says, and having made a
whip of cords, all he drove out from the temple,
both sheep and oxen.
Speaker 2: This is so stupid, man, these people are like I've
noticed too, Trent is a going back even to the
original debate. What Trent does is creative explanation. When there's
a problem or a challenge, Trent goes to immediately concocting
a way to make it work. Which is why you
would have said, if you remember to the original challenge
about the death penalty, there's three different ways you might
could make this work. What why do we need three
different ways to make what your system claims gives us
certitude about faith and morals, and the death penalty is
obviously a very pertinent issue of morals and ethics. Why
would we need three different ways to make it work
to interpret the death penalty contradiction in the Roman Catholic system. Well,
in this system, kazeustry is what gets you to the top.
In other words, the best people at making it work,
coming up with creative new terms, neologisms, ideas, just like
scholasticism is all about, and a lot of Roman Catholic absurdity,
especially if you get into Saint alfonsas Saint alfonsis Laguary
and for example his many clarifications on when and how
you can lie with righteous deception. Now I don't even
have a problem with there are some biblical examples of
righteous deception, but the problem is that you can take
that and make it a Pandora's box, as did happen
in many Catholic instances in Roman Catholic history with assassinations,
which he said we shouldn't assassinate.
Speaker 3: Are you sure about that?
Speaker 2: Because your own Vatican had standing armies in the past,
So I'm pretty sure the standing armies engaged in assassinating people,
Trent Horn. So does that mean that the Vatican violated
fundamental moral teachings when it had standing armies and assassinated people.
And doesn't everyone know that during the Counter Reformation there
were Catholic assassins.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Trent Horn would say that happened. We're not
justifying it.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, it happened at the Vatican though, with
standing armies. So it's not a question of did they
do it and.
Speaker 3: Is it justified? It's a question of why was the
Vatican's moral teaching when they had standing armies or in
the crusades, that you could die in the crusade for
the papacy a moral teaching that has now changed. That's
the argument, you liar.
Speaker 1: And of the money changers, he poured out the coins
and the tables he overthrew before the Council of Nicia.
Only Origin commented on this verse, and he said the
whipping was a spiritual lesson, not an historical event.
Speaker 2: Of course, he would go to the gayest commentator who
castrated himself, perfect exegesis for Trent Horn himself also presumably castrated.
Speaker 1: Because if Jesus really did whip people, it would reveal
a reckless, lawless spirit incompatible with Christ. Virtue argued in
the Journal of Biblical Literature that the Greek grammar of
John Tusa.
Speaker 3: Now he's going into papers on did Jesus act with Trent?
Are you well?
Speaker 2: Actually, Trent's not even aware that it's Jesus that's going
before the Israelites into battle. Exodus twenty three because Trent
is a heretic and doesn't realize that the Old Testament
teaches the Trinity, which he explicitly denied in our debate.
The Angel of the Lord is the person of the Sun.
The Angel of the Lord accompanies them on their journeys
and their battles in the Old Testament, so he doesn't
even realize the Old Testament teaches.
Speaker 3: Jesus went into battle, and he's concerned with making John two,
through a bunch of random ass papers, not say that
Jesus formed a coret. Okay, well, it doesn't even matter
because he went into freaking battle, you idiot.
Speaker 1: Fifteen refers to Jesus using a whip to make the
cattle leave, not the people. This conclusion is also reached
in the article violence, nonviolence, and the Temple Incident in
John two thirteen through fifteen, which notes that over sixteen
reveals Jesus didn't recklessly overturn tables, but was measured to
not harm the cage doves.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm confused.
Speaker 2: Does he think that Christianity is pacifist? I'm absolutely confused here,
because I mean fundamental Old Testament theology that understands that
Jesus is the Angel of the Lord.
Speaker 3: Clear as day.
Speaker 2: This is why he again, by the way you understand,
you guys, he's tripled down to still say that the
term triad is an anti Trinitarian term. He still says
this again as a Eastern Catholic Liturgy attendee Trent, where
his own Eastern liturgy uses the word triad for the Trinity,
he still triples, quadruples down that it's an aryan anti
Trinitarian term.
Speaker 3: This is so stupid it should end his career, and
all of you ignorant run and Catholics who don't even
know this still push his nonsense.
Speaker 2: This is devastating to his whole Biblical theology. The Old
Testament Angel of the Lord, as we have shown in
countless debates with the Muslims, is Jesus clear as day.
Even his own crazy Roman Cathoic apologist Sam Shamun has
banked his career last twenty years.
Speaker 3: On that debating the Muslims.
Speaker 2: But why would we think Trent would understand that when
he literally quadruples down that Muslims and Christians worship the
same God.
Speaker 3: The very idiotic position of Trent Doherty and Vatican too.
This is the root of the problem.
Speaker 2: Trent is a heretic, and heretics are the worst moral
offenders because the heretic prefers his own beliefs and decisions
and opinions to divine revelation. That's the great er sin
than the F word or even touching butts. Heresy in
Christian theology and classic Batristic morals is a worse sin
than sodomy. You, as a heresy arc are destroying souls.
Sodomy destroys butts and bodies and one or two souls.
Heresy destroys many people's souls. And Trent Horn is a heretic.
He is absolutely heterox. Why do I say that just
to be mean no, Because after multiple corrections on fundamental terms,
including that the word triad is used in his own
liturgy for the Trinity, he has quadrupled down that it
is not an Orthodox term and it's heterodox.
Speaker 3: This is mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even know the Greek term for trinity, and
he's a Catholic apologist, but he also doesn't know the
doctrine of the Trinity as a Catholic apologist, as none
of the Catholic apologists actually do because they teach heterodoxy.
So apart from all the moral posturing and all the
smoke and mirrors and the whining and the crying and
the effeminacy, the root is not loving and caring about
what's true first and foremost. That is the root problem
of all this, and other factors might be the reasons
why he wouldn't do that, namely the effeminacy, the cowardice,
the intentional deceiving and doubling, quadrupling, t sextuppling down on
obvious mistakes. Again, all of this would have probably gone
in a much better direction if three two three years ago,
Trent Horde has simply said, you know what, Jay, you're
actually correct. Triad is a basic theological term for the Trinity.
You know what, Jay, You're actually correct. The Church fathers,
from Justin Martyr debating Tripho all the way to Saint
Maximus explicitly teach that the Old Testament God is the Trinity,
and that the Old Testament saints loved, worshiped, and knew
the Trinity. As Saint Maximus explicitly says about Abraham, Abraham
worshiped the Triad. Trent explicitly says he did not. That
is the root of the problem heresy. So this has
led to a person idolizing this institution sunken cost fallacy
that he's wrapped up in, causing him then to adopt
multiple preless delusion layers, when the root of it is
cowardice and inability to admit that you got something wrong
if he could go back and admit error. But you
notice Trent has never admitted that he's ever gotten anything wrong. Now,
maybe at some point in a video he has I
don't watch Trent or content except when we reply when
he talks about us, So I don't know if there's
some place where he says, oh, yes, you know what
this theological thing I was totally wrong about and I
have been corrected. Trent is unable to receive correction. And
in proverbs, a person who secs tuples down unable to
receive any correction is a fool. And Trent has been
made a fool theologically speaking, and even by his own
actions and his own standards and tests of masculinity and
morality and what's appropriate in terms of jokes. He's refuted
himself here It says, I send my angel before you.
The Angel will go before you to bring in Amorites, Hittites, Parizites, Canaanites,
and Hipbtes. This is the same angel that pardons sins.
Do created angelic beings have the authority and the ability
to pardon sins. No, only God can forgive sins, as
Jesus says to the Pharisees. So that means that the
angel of the Lord here is Jesus.
Speaker 3: He's divine.
Speaker 2: That refutes Trent's heresy about the Old Testament, and it's
Jesus going into battle to fight the Amorites, the hit Sites,
the Parasites, and Kenonides. Now, Trent probably don't even know that.
I bet you he wasn't even aware that Exos twenty
three says this because he's stuck defending a pacifist Jesus
from John two with the whip and the cords. What
does that even matter if he went into battle against
the Canaanites. This is so preposterous, This is so insane.
I can't believe that we're even having to argue this point.
And this is why I've constantly harped on the fact
that tren Horne is absolutely low tier.
Speaker 3: He's super low tier.
Speaker 2: And again, what's the worst enemy of these people is themselves.
Trent could have made a lot of progress understanding the
theology at a lot deeper level, more sophisticated level, especially
with the Trinity.
Speaker 3: But did he choose to do that. He chose to
quadruple down.
Speaker 2: He chose to not look at any of the books
that I've recommended or suggested him, including Eastern Church fathers
and their theology, because had he looked at even the basics,
what is Palamas's book called the Triads? He doesn't even
know that Palamas's book was called I showed him this.
He still says it's an anti Trinitarian term.
Speaker 3: This is insane to me. It's like, right there in
your face, you're wrong on a very obvious basic point.
And he has quadrupled and sex doubled down. That is
the problem.
Speaker 2: The pride, the inability to admit even a single mistake.
That is narcissistic pride, which he ordered to be taken away.
Jesus also didn't hurt the cattle because the makeshift rope
would have simply gotten them to move in the animal's
movement and would have caused the money changers to follow them.
Speaker 3: Out of the temple, the animals. This is so retarded,
This is ridiculous. Okay, now here we go.
Speaker 12: Oh, they're all trying to get kind of ideologically capture
these different audience segments. So he sent out to capture
ned Flanders, and ned Flanders is exactly what he captured.
Speaker 3: So can we say and that's accurate? Right?
Speaker 2: I mean Trent did capture the absolute normy tier numbers audience.
But again there's a problem with the numbers normy tier stuff.
They're also very fickle and they're also very bad. Right,
So would you rather have By the way, Trent cited
Joel Berry saying that, like Gideon, it's better to have
three hundred committed people than a zillion lukewarm idiots who don't.
Speaker 3: Care or aren't committed. So why would Trent then turn
around and.
Speaker 2: Be like, well, I guess I want the biggest number,
and thus I will be an ecumenist apologist as I'm
a Vatican stooge, cope cover up artist. But don't call
me ned Flanders, even though that's what I am.
Speaker 3: Head alone seven for Chrisma. I think seven's fine, all right.
Speaker 13: He is a very intelligent guy. He's very academic, very
well read. I think he's very intelligent.
Speaker 2: Set he's not actually academic and that well read though,
because if you watch our debate on natural theology, that
actually gets shown to be the.
Speaker 13: Case a nine, and then he engages in all sorts
of really high level debates and always holds his own
I'd give him a nine for debate as well.
Speaker 3: See I give him a ten on both.
Speaker 1: First, the Simpsons has really betrayed Ned Flanders because in
the first seasons Ned was just a good one.
Speaker 3: My Gosh's he actually going to go into defending Ned.
This is so gay, dude. And by the way, he
left out the part that they put me about Trent,
which I think probably made him mad tirade. Finally, how
he's going to put the book publicly? I don't care
about your book, dude.
Speaker 1: We should be careful of this instinct. Christians who agree
on major moral issues should stand up for one another,
and we should see ourselves as being on the same team.
Speaker 2: But that would that include the three various ways to
make the death penalty contradiction work? Like, what's the Christian
position on that one?
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we should give each other a free pass,
so we can always win. It's fair to point out
how a fellow Christian is using an effective method, a
bad method, or even an evil method to try to
accomplish some good end. And we can, as Christians point
that out without our disagreement becoming an attack on the
other person.
Speaker 3: That I mean, who actually wanted to go into defending
the net.
Speaker 2: I mean the ned Flanders thing was a joke, and
Trent actually went into defending who ned Flanders is in
the sensus. This is so retarded, Like, I guess that's
why the Bishop Tilda Swinton thing didn't resonate with him,
because when I said this to him yesterday, he said,
I didn't critique you for calling him a fake bishop.
Speaker 3: I critique you for calling him Tilda Swinton. Did you
not get the joke? Dude?
Speaker 1: You're such a nerd invites a vicious counterattacked. One way
to do that is to privately reach out to the
person we disagree with or ask.
Speaker 3: Really, when have you ever done that? Never?
Speaker 2: I've never had a private message from Trent Horn about
any disagreement other than setting up our initial debate. Trent
does not follow his own advice, and I'm sure that
he would say you are too morally reprehensible for me
to ever reach out and touch you or to talk
to you, reach out and touch.
Speaker 1: The one the person to review our public criticism of him,
as I did with Andrew for this episode. Brian Holdsworth
was a great model of this recently when instead of
attacking a Catholic woman on TikTok who had a bad
take on the liturgy, he privately reached out to her
and then critiqued her position without publicly identifying her.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see if Trent actually fall follow this advice. Okay,
so again you heard him say right there, the appropriate
moral stance is to reach out when there's a private
personal disagreement. Let's look at the last emails that I
have from Trent Horn, who obviously has had big issues
with me over the last several years. 's take a
look at this, because Trent is actually showing that he's
deceptive and doesn't follow these policies. These are public consumption
policies that he has absolutely no interest in actually following.
This is for you to think and to see performative piety.
When in fact, Trent Horn's easily accessible emails to me,
which clearly came through easily in twenty twenty one up
to twenty twenty three, include no new email until twenty
twenty two to twenty twenty three. So Trent Horn does
not follow this advice. As you can see t hornet
Catholic dot Com. No emails from Trent Horn about any
personal issues, personal private disagreements, nothing whatsoever. And by the way,
he could have also DMed me on Twitter because I
blocked him yesterday, but he was never blocked prior to
that as far as I recall, So he could have
also messaged me on Twitter or any other social.
Speaker 3: Media outlet which it's easy to actually get in contact
with me. Did he do any of that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, nothing since twenty twenty three, if that is
even a Trent thing, that might have just included him
in a a CC or whatever. At least as far
as I'm sure, twenty twenty two appears to be the
last so four years since any personal reaching out on
the part of Trent Horn, showing that he doesn't even
follow this bullshit policy that he moralizes over. So this
is public formative moralizing. And as I've told you, with
these Roman Catholics all the time, they are a totally
different person on the back side of things, dealing with
them on the public Internet, they're the nice guys. Dealing
with them on the back end of things. They are absolute,
generally speaking, snakes. Now there's some exceptions. Tim Gordon has
never done me wrong. Tim Gordon has never lied to me,
never done anything deceptive, always been even in heated disagreements,
very heated disagreements.
Speaker 3: In our debates. We were still able to go out
and eat dinner, still able to have good conversations. But
the nice guys.
Speaker 2: Zio conversion of Catholic apologetics youn Or laterally decided that
I was a bad person, as well as Nick Fuentes,
as well as Tim Gordon, apparently as well as Joe Enders,
as well as all the other people that they having
their little elite circle on. What do we see with
his bff Matt frett Oh sold out to the Israeli Wire,
I mean the Daily Wire.
Speaker 3: Interesting interesting patterns there.
Speaker 1: In contrast, Timothy Gordon and Joe Enders recently critiqued my
colleague Joe Heshmeier and accused him of incompetently missing or
deliberately hiding a papal quote that they claimed refuted his
position on biblical headship and marriage.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're a poor researcher. I hope that.
I hope, you know, I hope, and I hope in
all hopes.
Speaker 14: Let me just put it that way, that Joe Hashmeier
is this bad of a researcher because I'm citing the
same paragraph that you cited for the right reason comment,
the one that you took out of context.
Speaker 1: But in Joe's response to them, he noted that he
did include the full quote in his original episode and
showed clips of Gordon admitting he didn't even watch Joe's
entire twelve minute episode before launching into an hour long
critique of it. Is there a better file or is
it this the only one?
Speaker 3: I think that's the only one. I mean it, we'd
have to find it there, because I think there's a
lot longer clip of him talking about it somewhere. Yeah,
a whole video. There's a whole video, but it's twelve minutes.
Speaker 14: And then he spends most of his time mocking the
south Pole, the feminist answer that I guess even Catholic
answers has decided to repudiate.
Speaker 4: Only he didn't notice the two things Tim says there. First,
he's intentionally choosing not to engage with the actual argument
I'm making. He's just gonna engage with the sound.
Speaker 2: By the way, Joel Heschmeyer, if you will remember, will
not debate me and backed out of debating Alex Soren
another freddy cat coward.
Speaker 4: Bite from it somebody put up on Twitter. And second,
he's perfectly aware that the actual argument argues against a
feminist rejection of mail headship. So he knows all that,
But how does he title his video? Catholic answers? Says feminism? Okay,
none is that anyway?
Speaker 3: I don't. This is their inter Catholic dispute. Let's get
on over here quickly to.
Speaker 2: Get to Trent's cope about Epstein and the Vatican. I'm
looking forward to this because I want to see the
creative of explanations in Kazustry. And perhaps Tremp will give
us four or five options as to how we can
creatively explain the relationship. Or perhaps I'm sure there's no
relationship and this is all conspiracy nonsense.
Speaker 3: But remember this is a Normy who still denies that
there's any push for globalization or a new world order.
He's quadrupled down on this, which tells you right away
he's a fraud. He pushes the establishment positions on everything
back to Stabby's masks, all of that. I'm still a
bad person because I was right about all that. But
I'm still bad even though Trent can't admit that he's
ever gotten anything wrong. That's the root of this issue.
Speaker 2: So let's listen to why jeff Stay McCaffrey and the
Vatican is a nothing burger.
Speaker 1: Apparently long in the targets of lured conspiracy theories. In
today's episode, we're going to refute three of the silliest ones.
Speaker 3: So it's lurid conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Interesting with a recent conspiracy that's been shared on social media.
Number one, the pop John Paul the Second Jeffrey Epstein connection.
In the way of the recent release of material from
the Epstein files, some people claim Pope sint John Paul
the Second was involved in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ands
like this picture is evidence, this ex user writes, Jeffrey
Epstein and just laying Maxwell being personally blessed by the
Pope interesting, But they raised eyebrow, does not an argument
make the Pope blesses thousands of people every year, and
he doesn't do a background check on each of them beforehand.
How other people point into this email?
Speaker 3: Excuse me? That is not the extent of this argument.
Speaker 2: Now, he chose apparently a idiotic, retarded conspiracy outlet that
doesn't do much fact checking and just kind of puts
out the salacious headlines.
Speaker 3: But the argument was that one of the emails from
an associate of Epstein, I I hate that the freaking
bookmark search just doesn't even work. Man, that's sonoint. We're
gonna show you what it actually says.
Speaker 12: Mhm.
Speaker 2: He might not be able to read that. See if
I can find a bigger version of it. By the way,
I'm gonna bet you money, I haven't seen this video yet.
I'll bet you money. He doesn't even mention the Vatican
Bank email because that shows an intimate knowledge of something
that also points to knowledge and relationship of John Paul
the second. So, by the way, uh, here's a discussion
between Bannon and Epstein about quote infiltrating the Vatic So
this tells us that there was a discussion about attempting
to get in, make friends, make connections.
Speaker 3: Steve is working for the quote purification of the Church.
Speaker 2: This is some viazo woman or person talking to Epstein
talking about praying for the pope.
Speaker 3: I don't think Epstein cares about your prayers for the pope.
Speaker 2: But uh, Epstein says, prawn, And then Bannon says, we will,
we will take down.
Speaker 3: Francis the Clintons Z and Francis uh.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 3: Epstein says it CoV I don't know what that is.
And then Bannon says in the closet of the Vatican, which,
as of course, if you may or may not know.
Speaker 2: But Bannon over the last several years made it a
point to try to get closer and closer to a
lot of cardinals and prelates. Now let's look at this email.
What it actually says says that this is an associate
who comes up quite often. In the email's Richard Kahn,
and it talks about in the past. Okay, so this
email's from twenty fifteen, and it says, in the past,
jeff Stein mceffrey, let me make it big for you guys.
Speaker 3: That's what she said in the past.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey spent time at the Vatican quote living at it
with John Paul. The second discussing architectural things like columns
because they had a shared interest in architecture. So this
is a twenty fifteen email discussing the past, meaning that
it's not just a blessing, but it fits with the
timeframe of this circa two thousand and three blessing. So yes,
this is obviously a public meeting and blessing, but it's
the same time frame that the email is reflecting back
and saying they spent time there. There is another email
talking about arranging flights for Francis.
Speaker 3: Pope Francis. Let me see it because I saved all
these I just had to find them. Here we see,
I'm trying to organize a trip for Francis to the
Middle East. Why is he organizing a trip for Pope
Francis first of all to the Middle East? So there's
another email about Epstein. Excuse me an admission that Epstein
donated significant money to Catholic charities and Roman Catholics are
lying when they say there's no connection between Catholic charities
and the Catholic Church. There absolutely is is a total lie.
Speaker 2: In fact, the US Conference for Catholic Bishops have publicly
stated that they support the opposition to ice and the
bringing in of all manner of undocumented immigrants because quote, no,
one isn't.
Speaker 3: Illegal, that's what they say.
Speaker 2: So let's scroll down and I'm going to show you
that and the statement about Epstein saying I was also
gifted architectural works from John Paul. The second that also
reconfirms the likelihood that the earlier emails and story about
living at the Vatican discussing architecture are very likely true.
Speaker 3: Now you can look this up.
Speaker 2: We've already done it, cleed that a whole stream on this.
You can scroll back and find this as well. It's everywhere,
by the way, online, all over Twitter. Just just taking
me a minute to find it because it's there's so
much stuff that's been coming out.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 2: I apologize for not having this pulled up because I
didn't really know where Trent was going to go in
this discussion. But we're gonna debunk the easy stuff first.
Speaker 3: And see if he has anything substantial going on.
Speaker 2: But how come Trent isn't talking about Epstein funding all
kinds of crazy stuff?
Speaker 3: Does he?
Speaker 2: We'll see, maybe he will. Maybe we can give Trent
the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we'll talk about it.
I don't expected to happen though.
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go, Jeffrey, all went, well, any chance
that you could arrange for us to meet the pope?
This is twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Why are people asking Jeffrey Epstein to arrange a meeting
with the pope if there's no connection and Epstein doesn't
have the ability to meet with the pope or set
these kinds of things up.
Speaker 3: So that's another I forgot that one.
Speaker 2: Actually, yes, this is life site. Jeffrey Epstein donated critical
funds to Catholic Charities of the Virgin Islands. Interesting and
as Cleve points out, where are the Virgin Islands? Oh,
they're right next to Little Saint James. No, but remember
there's nothing here, nothing to see. This is all nothing. Now,
why would we think that the Roman Caolic Church might
have a hand in this, or that Catholic Charities might
be connected to the Roman Caolic Church and the hierarchy. Well,
how about the bishop saying that they support this whole methodology?
Cardinal Kupit and Cardinal Tobin say, reject ice. Stand with Minnesota.
This is your organized crime cult church working to destroy
by open illegal activities and actions. This is illegal to
support the importation of massive third worlders who.
Speaker 3: Are not legal people. This is a crime.
Speaker 2: These people are public criminals. They're organized crime criminal goblins,
and Trent Horne is their apologist. That's why I said
he is trash, because he is. He is a trash
person supporting these trash He's the defender of these trash. Now,
this is another Catholic website. This is an FBI crisis report,
and it notes that Epstein had talked about and again
this may be false, but it's just another piece of
corroborating evidence. It says Epstein talked about the ceiling that
he had which had been donated to him by the Pope.
And this is presumably back in This Is two thousand
and four, Epstein claimed that the two thousand and four
ceiling in his elevator at his New York mansion was
gifted by the Pope. Now, what is the commonality here
with John Paul the Second Well architecture? And so, while
this may not be true, or perhaps Epstein made this
up or was trying to sound cool, it does vibe
with the earlier statement in the other email that he
was very interested in talking architectural oddities with John Paul
the Second So it does make sense that he would
be gifted.
Speaker 3: Something like that, So let's see where Trent takes it.
Speaker 1: One of Epstein's assistant or associates saying that Epstein lived
at the Vatican with Pope joh Paul the Second, implying
with the pop knew about Epstein's activities. First, people have
lived with even serial killers and not even known what
they were doing. So it's not surprising if some bad
people lived Vatican City and the Pope never knew about
they were doing. But the evidence that Epstee himself lived
at the Vatican is as flimsy as the evidence that
Epstein unlive himself. Any email from twenty fifteen, ten years
after John Paul the Second died, some kind of contractor
says he's trying to paint columns and different styles for
Epstein and writes the following, he wants me to finish
each column different as when he was living with Pope
John Paul the Second in Vatican, he looked at a
variety of different columns captured in wars. He told me
that every pope demanded to have a column from every
conquered country. So there's a collection of different columns in Vatican.
But there is no collection of columns that the pope
acquired after conquering different territories, so this is probably just
a jumbled recollection of something a Roman tour guide told
Epstein when he was in Rome in two thousand and three,
when John Paul the Second bless him, and then he
told this restoration specialist about it ten years later. Now
John Paul the Second does.
Speaker 2: Now remember the Vatican has a its own securities, and
this is admitted, this is well known. There's a Vatican
secret service, and to get close to the Pope requires
some degree of background check. I don't think that's controversial,
and you can verify that that's maybe they shouldn't be
that controversial, But according to Trent, no, they're actually just
kind of hanging out there up there with the Pope
without any security or check. But how does that job
when you think about the fact that this is not
the only international PDF criminal who was close to the
pope and even was given a prestigious honor of.
Speaker 3: A papal knighthood.
Speaker 2: Papal knighted is a prestigious honor bestowed by the Pope
as that of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: For outstanding service to the Church.
Speaker 2: Society or charitable acts, and who got that from John
Paul the Second Again, another notorious person covering up PDF stuff.
Jimmy Savell, the infamous necrophiliac, Satanist procure trafficker, disgraced broadcaster
given the papal knighthood by John Paul the Second. Now again, Trent,
what have you believed that? Or they just maybe there's
hand these out like they're just like candy, right, they're
giving these out of the Vatican. If you go, you
know you're a pilgrim and I've been to the Vatican,
you kind of walk through in that line. They're just
kind of hand and out they're tossing out papal knighthoods.
Speaker 3: Did they do a background check on this demon, Trent?
Or perhaps the Vatican Security Service was absolutely just asleep
at the wheel that day.
Speaker 2: They didn't do a background check on Jimmy Savell and
they just accidentally gave him a papal knighthood, one of
the worst Satanic criminals in modern history?
Speaker 3: Did Trent even know this? Does he even talk about this?
Speaker 2: And by the way, they've said they cannot reverse this,
They will not reverse the papal knighthood to this monster
papal honor cannot be removed. Oh yeah, it does it
matter if you're an actual demon PDF trafficking goblin. You
can't lose that papal prerogative and that special gift. I
wonder if Trent's gonna mention Jimmy Savell in his very
close connection to John Paul the Second, The supposed saint,
the PDF cover up artist of the Romanchellay.
Speaker 1: Church share some blame for the clergy abuse crisis in
mccack scandal. Part of this was due to the pope
having endured the Soviet occupation of Poland, where communists would
use slander and lies to target people. So if someone
like McCarrick denied allegations against him, John Paul the Second
was more likely to imprudently believe these denials. But if
you think a literal saint was actively involved in the
sexual abuse of because there is a picture of him
meeting one of the perpetrators at a public ceremony, then
you need to log off the Internet and go see
Jesus at church for hard reset number.
Speaker 2: Trent, it's not just that there's a connection to Epstein,
it's the other emails talking about the close connection that
Epstein has to the Vatican, including arranging flights and meetings
for Francis. So you cleverly left all of that out
of your cope session here, and you made no mention
of other notorious PDFs who clearly have a deep connection
to John Paul the Second. And notice his argument, if
you think that a saint would do this, you're crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe he's not a saint. Maybe the system that
you are worshiping is actually a lie. That's the point.
If we're correct, we can make sense of this data.
Speaker 2: John Paul the Second is part of this international click pushing.
Speaker 3: What kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's any other indicators that might suggest
John Paul the Second has another agenda, such as praying
in the synagogues and the mosques, like the Darcy O'Brien
book talks about. Now, I'm going to go into a
domain that Tim Gordon and Ned Flanders have no knowledge
of and we'll probably absolutely not talk about.
Speaker 3: And that's the Massade. And why would I talk about that?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously anybody who's had scratching surface level analysis of
what's going on with the Vatican and Epstein and all
that would know that clearly Epstein has that layer of connection.
But what hardly anybody has any knowledge of, and the
only book I've actually seen discussing it at a serious
level is the journalist and intelligence writer Gordon Thomas. Now
Gordon Thomas is you could say, well he's a journalist,
but he's a conspiracy as well. Fine, whatever, But his
books are main line journalism. They've been New York Times
bestseller type books. Right, so we're not talking about, you know,
vigilance citizen dot com book here, We're talking about mainline
Accurate nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Gideon Spies.
Speaker 2: I read this most of this book many years ago,
and then kind of got back into it because I
started thinking, wait a minute, actually, well, a lot of
what's going on with John Paul the Second and the
relationship to the Jews seems to tie into what Gideon
Spies writes about, because it's actually a couple of chapters
about John Paul the Second in Israel and particularly the massade.
Guess what, all of the information in Gideon Spies vibes
perfectly with what we've seen in the Epstein files. Now
it's under John Paul the Second that the nation State
of Israel achieves.
Speaker 3: Official recognition by the Vatican. Why is that?
Speaker 2: Well, according to Gideon Thomas, it's because Masad was not
just bugging.
Speaker 3: Or trying to bug the Vatican.
Speaker 2: They were actively operating and working to infiltrate and work
inside the Vatican and get mole spies, et cetera. Interesting
who in this same timeframe, although maybe not in the
nineteen eighties or nineties, but who in the late nineties.
Speaker 3: Is making connections with the Vatican for the massage?
Speaker 2: Oh, Jeffrey Epstein, Now do you think Trent Horne has
any knowledge of this subject? Do you think he will
ever even glance at a book like this? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: So this is where these frauds, hucksters and cover up
shills will never go.
Speaker 2: Even though this isn't even a conspiracy book, It's a
main line journalist, geopolitical analyst text spies and you can
go just look up if you are lazy and you
can't read, just look up the summary of the AI
summary or something like that of the chapters and the
sections on John Paul the Second's relationship to the massade
and to the recognition of Israel.
Speaker 1: Argument attacking her isn't even an ad two. Jack Chick's
fanatic thief for dreams. Jack Chick was a fundamentalist Baptist
cartoonist whose tracks are probably the most widely now.
Speaker 2: This was Trent's original joke about me. He thought it
was really funny to say that my take on everything
was Jack Chick. Jay Dyer's the new Jack Chick.
Speaker 3: It was like his first joke. Not even that good
of a joke, but that really bothering me. We had
our debate. I didn't care about that stupid joke. But
I want you guys to notice that.
Speaker 2: What we've done on this channel, and I think people
are beginning to recognize this and figure it out, is
we started a series ten years ago that wasn't my
first foray into this topic, but it was my first
idea to do a series starting with the writings of
the power elite themselves, what do they admit in their books?
And we called it the Global Elite Book Series. We
began with Tragedy and Hope, which is a twelve thirteen
hundred page book written by doctor Carrol Quigley, a Council
on Foreign Relations archivist and historian military story and who
was the mentor to Bill Clinton, so a very important figure.
Not the top of the pyramid, but an apologist and
a historian for our Western globalist elite. That was the
beginning of the Global Elite series. Since that time ten
years ago, we branched out into reading dozens of global
elite texts which admit and prove everything that we talk about,
including changing images a man, including is the Big New
Bberzinski's books, including David Rockefeller's memoirs, and books including jacque
Attalie's books including H. G. Wells's books including bertrand Russell's books,
including hosts of other fabian socialist geopolitical analysts, top level elites,
Joseph Nye, soft Power, Halford mckinder, Heartland, Rimland theory, stuff,
on and on and on to explain ad nauseum with
absolute spurgitude exactitude, that everything we're saying is documented and real.
I don't talk about aliens, I don't believe in fringe,
retarded tartaria stuff. I only focus on what I could
prove to you from the books, because I was impressed
when Alex Jones.
Speaker 3: Did that years ago. Alex would always say this is
in this book, this is in that book. And when
I first heard him say that, I was skeptical. I
thought they don't admit all that. That's too crazy. No,
they do, absolutely they do.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's not just those big policy book it's
also white papers. We've read extensive white papers. We've read
hundreds of pages of texts on DARPA and the Ring Corporation.
Who else has done that? Now you've got Burmas, Yes,
you've got Richard Grove Corbett. They've done some stuff like that. Yes,
I'm not saying nobody else did that. Whitney Webb's done
some of that.
Speaker 3: Sure, But who else in the theology sphere has done that? Nobody,
No one.
Speaker 2: Everything we talk about has some globally text you can
go look up. That's what's so annoying and frustrating to
me about people like Trent Horne, who are intelligent people.
Speaker 3: Trent's not as stupid person. That's not the problem. But
it wouldn't take you very long. Even if you don't
have the time to read all of these, which I
actually did, you could go listen to my talks. Look,
here's a talk on jacque Attelie's book from the nineteen
nineties about the New World Order. Who is jacque aed
So you don't even know who these people are.
Speaker 2: What about Miles Copeland, famous cioperative wrote a whole book
on how the CIA does everything in other countries gam nations.
I lectured on that ten years ago. What about the
history of the British Empire and Opium. Oh, we've lectured
on that too.
Speaker 3: What about Manley P.
Speaker 14: Hall?
Speaker 3: Hey, what about actually talking to top military operators and
Trump's choice for Director of National Intelligence, Colonel McGregor, who
basically vindicated my analysis of things.
Speaker 2: So wait a minute, I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, but
I'm actually talking to the guy that Trump wanted to
be the director of National Intelligence the first harm.
Speaker 3: How would I do that? If I'm a retarded idiot,
If I don't actually read the books.
Speaker 2: Julian Huxley Philosophy and Esco, Terence McKenna's psychonat Works, Secret Dialects,
I think turning point by Freedom of Copra, Anglo American
Establishment two talks right there, history of the OSS, right there,
History of sexpionage right.
Speaker 3: There, Brave New World, on and on and on.
Speaker 2: More, hd Well's books, Razenski's books, Histories of the CIA,
Arthur Kessler's texts.
Speaker 3: I've read multiple, multiple Arthur Kessler books. We've lectured through them.
Speaker 2: These people don't read any of this stuff, they have
no knowledge of this, but they tell you that there
is no global conspiracy.
Speaker 3: There are liars. As Trent ever talked about.
Speaker 2: The Frankfurt School. I studied under a person of the
frank School. I've lectured on Frankfort School books, on and
on and on. Anyway, there's a whole series right there
for you. All Right, guys, we're going to be with
Tristan very soon, so let's see if you can get
through Trent.
Speaker 1: Really quicker publish comic series in the world. He's published
over a billion of these little things, over a hundred languages,
and all then basically say that if you don't accept
chicks particular theology, then iient faceless Jesus will send you
to hell. His most famous anti Catholic tracks include the
tastfully titled Death Cookie about Euchrist, why is Mary Crying?
And are Catholic Christians? Where Chick claims Catholics are automatically
citizens of the Holy See, which would be awesome because
if you have Vatican passport, you can visit over one
hundred fiftyntries not needing a visa. Of course that's not true,
and these passports are only granted to people like cardinals
reside in Vatican City and of the diplomats.
Speaker 3: But the chickens, oh interesting.
Speaker 2: That again seems to suggest a unique intelligence agency connection
there with the Vatican, which again I bet you Trent
doesn't know anything about that.
Speaker 1: Siercys about Catholicism get even more ridiculous. In the nineteen
eighty Discontinue Track my Name in the Vatican, Chick claims that.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, these conspiracies are ridiculous. Then Trent, it
should be pretty.
Speaker 2: Easy for you to actually come and debate this topic,
which you've declined three times. So Laura, let's remember what
Trent said to my challenge here. These subject matters, I
don't deal with this, I'm not I only dabble in this.
Speaker 3: It's not a matter of research. Debate this with Tim Gordon.
I only debate the papacy.
Speaker 2: Okay, But you just said that these types of crazy
conspiracy theories about the Vatican, they're so preposterous.
Speaker 3: Well, shouldn't they be easy to refute? If they're ridiculous,
then you should be it should be an easy knockdown.
Speaker 2: Ca Hey, look, you could totally put an end to
Jay Dyer, right, or you could totally discredit diar on
these crazy conspiracy All you gotta do is just come
bring the Vatican heat with this Jack Chick level stuff.
But then, when actually challenged on that subject matter, what
you just said is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I don't do that.
Speaker 2: It's out of my wheelhouse. Oh interesting, but it's ridiculous,
and you could easily refute it.
Speaker 1: Name of every Protestant in the world was in the
big computer in the Vatican. How did the Vatican get
the name of at the time, five hundred million Protestants
around the world, many of em all right, well, this
is jack chick stuff.
Speaker 2: As a retarded we're gonna skip all this. Let's see,
let's move on to something else. And then, guys, remember
we're gonna be live with Tristan right after this. We're
going to transition immediately into me and beautiful Tristana zim
self ze self will be joining me to cover the.
Speaker 3: Toxic culture, the Epstein revelations. Where are we at Tristan's vacation,
shall we say? I think it was went to little
Saint James.
Speaker 2: They're somewhere in this the last year or so ah,
just kidding, Tristan's retirement and then early unretirement like share
like a true diva coming back out of retirement to
do a live streamer.
Speaker 1: In a moment from churches that no one's even heard of,
who knows? And the track also says the Inquisition is
alive and well after killing sixty eight million people throughout
history for heresy, which is a higher death.
Speaker 2: I mean Trent who actually takes the chick tracks seriously?
I mean, I guess this is directed at like low
tier fundamentalists. So I thought this was going to be
about Epstein, Like there was like two minutes passing over that.
So let's skip ahead, see if there's something else here,
the non secret thing that's the I remember, that's that's fake,
that's stupid.
Speaker 3: Let's see what this is.
Speaker 1: And number three silly Seventh Day Adventist conspiracies.
Speaker 2: This wasn't even about Epstein's They had one little cope
two minute thing, not even addressing the real emails and
the overall issue with again him talking about the architectural commonalities,
the planning the flights for Pote Francis, people asking him
to set up meetings of Pote Francis. Then we had
situation of Catholic charities getting Epstein money in a critical
amount quote unquote, we had the Savile scandal, which they
overlook and ignore as if there's not other creeps like
Savile connected all this. So we'll stop with the Trent
stuff there again, we may have more stuff in the future. Again,
you should go read about Jimmy Saville. He's a definitely
a great holy man, for sure. Definitely proves the case
for John Paul the Second Sanctity awarding the worst, one
of the worst people alive at that time with a
special papal honor. I'm gonna have to immediately though, kind.
Speaker 3: Of transition out you guys to Tristan.
Speaker 2: John, did you have a comment before we go and
start read the supertest and we'll move on over to
a beautiful Tristana with us.
Speaker 3: I you know, I've been.
Speaker 10: Listening the whole time. But the thing that bothered me earlier,
even before all of all of this, that you said
you said.
Speaker 2: Ship and that like I mean giant, giant child graping,
criminal international gangs for who said the word and the
sport right?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 10: Also, I am looking forward to hearing you and Tristan
talk together because I am a big fan of Tristan.
Speaker 2: I know you know this, yeah Tristana, Well it's it's
Tristana and and he z identifies as the himself now,
so just get that correct.
Speaker 10: Well well, also, you know it was funny and I
wanted to point this out, is the fake bishop till
the Swan he wasn't even as mad as Trent was
about about you making a conduct. He he like, this
whole thing got blown up. And then that dude, like,
I mean, at least he was mad enough in his
Marxist fake bishop, you know, existence he just let it go.
After a day, Trent Whin dug it up.
Speaker 3: And by the way, was one of the oddest things
to pick as the like what moral in fraction? It's weird. Yeah,
And he didn't even pick any more, you know, quote unquote.
Speaker 10: Moral in fractions against any fellow Roman Catholics. He picked
one against a Pentecostal Liberation theology preacher.
Speaker 2: No, the last one was Tim Gordon. So he did
critique Tim. Yeah, the last one, the last couple of minutes,
says Tim Gordon. I didn't hear that part, but yeah,
that's okay. I mean yeah, yeah, appreciate that comment. John,
that's funny. So let me breathe these really quick. Brandon
Lee twenty dollars. I haven't looked for any videos of
yours if you if you do, do you have any
funny paranormal stories. We did do a couple of paranormal streams.
You just have to assarch the archives for the live
streams on that. Thank you, Brandon Lee, just say eli
round twenty dollars. I made me ask you day to
to the Georgia guystones having to do with Epstein, who
destroyed them? Well, I don't know who destroyed them, but
I mean a lot of people think that it was
funded and put up by Ted Turner.
Speaker 3: And Ted Turner shares the.
Speaker 2: Same eugenics worldview of Epstein, because Epstein had that email
I think with Bill Gates or something, they're talking about
how can we get rid of all the poor people?
So yeah, that's the deepop eugenics worldview. Reginald Dankins five dollars.
This world looking Moro wind it's ashy as hell. The
Vatican ashy as hell. Vatican played too much, maybe play
too much much.
Speaker 3: Gorilla Biscuits was a forty Prus five dollars.
Speaker 2: Pokemon Go had a location at Epstein's Island. It was
a sun clock and it was removed. Interesting, I don't
know anything about.
Speaker 3: That, agro Tech twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: I grew up as a non an omistional Baptist, but
I've been agnostic for fifteen years. My value's lot with Christianity.
But do you know, I don't know how to reconcile
this supernatural? Do you have suggestions or advice? I'm not
sure what you mean by reconcile the supernatural? Do you
mean you struggle with that being the case? I mean
I would look into starting with our you know, tag
pre subpositional kind of argumentation, because really that question revolves
around pre subpositional worldview questions about what's possible and not possible,
and our assumptions about our worldview dictate how we're going
to interpret what's possible not possible.
Speaker 3: So look into the tag talks that we've done. Reginald,
what's up? Emilion, What's up? Dog?
Speaker 2: Twenty dollars support Jay Diary says, thank you so much.
Past at tempo to dollars. Pretty much new to this topic.
I've never met actual Catholics.
Speaker 3: Really, what do you mean all I see in my
country is a so you must be in like Latin
South America.
Speaker 13: This kind of.
Speaker 2: Content the Jeffrey Epstein podcasts have been great. At one point,
he says he wishes that he was a disease.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. He said that. I think Prince are.
Speaker 2: What's his name, The Royal Prince Philip is famous for
saying that more than once. And I've dugged up those
quotes and clips. They're real, so but I didn't know
jeff Stein said that.
Speaker 3: Heart of personal story, what's up? Thank you for that.
Let's talk God fight dollars.
Speaker 2: Rome gave up the military, the Roman Callity Church gave
up its military, the cripple, the papal triple crown, and
they gave up the state religion in nineteen twenty nine
latter in treaty. By their logic, Roman Catholicism then fell
exactly exactly their own stupid argument about military victories proving
or just proving the religion.
Speaker 3: That means that they are no longer the true religion.
I guess that would make Islam the true religion.
Speaker 2: Then, on their basis not understanding how deep this goes.
Jeff Son loved the Vatican so much because he knew
it was the real true church.
Speaker 3: This is the Romancolic cope that I see. Yeah, this
is a classic Roman.
Speaker 2: Catholic cope that the more evil that you see within
the Roman Catholic Church actually proves it because Satan's targeting it.
So by that logic, the more wicked you are, the
more saintly you are. In fact, that was an actual
line of argument. If you remember who was the.
Speaker 3: Whirlwind, the gay dude You're caught up in the whirlwind
and everybody called that dude gay and then all the
Roman Catholics were like, oh do you? Oh, do you?
And then it came out he was gay and a
big gay scandal.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: What was that guy's name? Michael, Michael something, the Whirlwind
And this is always that, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I mean, even.
Speaker 3: Michael Voris, Michael Voris of the Whirlwind. Ahead I was.
Speaker 10: Gonna say, even the Saints, the Orthodoxy wouldn't necessarily agree,
would never ever advocate for.
Speaker 3: Skills. Yeah, absolutely, you think Catherine would add the cap
for skittles. Of course not.
Speaker 2: I mean they were still in an era when they
would explicitly say, like Pius the fifth does at Trent
that that's liable to death. I've saying I've posted this
like a million times. President retard twenty dollars. Tristana was
Matthew McConaughey's stunt double in the Dragon movie. Yes, in fact,
that was the first one to call that out and
spot that years ago. Freezing Entertainment fight dollars. You see
that the Vatican Bank had morning Star Equities. This seems
like a Vatican lucifer ethical investment. I don't know about that,
but I mean I do recall something like morning Star equities.
Speaker 3: I think that comes up in the Gladio stuff.
Speaker 2: But they had a lot of shell corporations in fronts
and the structure of the Vatican and Debrosio Bank stuff.
It's very similar to a lot of other scandals where
they create these cutouts and it makes it hard to
trace where the money's going because it's just a bunch
of fake company k nees and things in Costa Rica
and whatnot. Commentator a comment tour five dollars. First time
watching your stream instead of just listening, I thought you
were drinking water, not just doing crazy mouth noises.
Speaker 3: No, I'm doing alps by the way Alps. I think
they followed me, so maybe I'll get an ALP sponsorship.
Speaker 2: Nowmyb two dollars aren't most male feminist creeps. Yes, Actually,
Jordan Peterson's comment nailed it. He was absolutely spot on
there seven Martyrs, Jay Bird, you're on point with all
this hyper feminine Protestant churchmen.
Speaker 3: Tim Gordon is the.
Speaker 2: Only normal Roman Catholic dude that I've met. You know,
Anthony from Avoiding Bablon's a cool dude. Joe Enders seems
like a cool dude. I don't really know him personally,
but you know, we've had good conversations with those guys,
even with you know, the hemant to disagreements Fishy Filmore.
Two dollars orthos seem to be the only universal principalists.
I think you could probably make that argument only consistent ones, Eugene.
Five dollars, Jay is mean is not an argument? Well,
that's the easiest way out right, is to say, well,
I don't have to associate with the mean. It's also
the laziest taint enough And five dollars. Watched your interview
with Father Turbo today.
Speaker 3: It was really great. He always imparts great widom. Yeah,
I didn't expect that to be so kind of convicting.
Speaker 2: I went, I went into that thing, we're gonna talk
about Epstein and but actually it was all a very
you know, convicting spiritual conversation. So shout out to trister
by the way, Oh thank you, thank you. Yeah, he
has a lot of I think he has a spiritual
gift to like convict you, which is which is pretty interesting. Tristan,
by the way, I'm trying to rush through these, so
forgive me if we uh if it takes a little
bit to get started on our stream, but let me
finish the super testor.
Speaker 3: Uh amber ten dollars.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you covered this, but the Vatican
recently announced partnership with the Morning Star. Okay that somebody
else mentioned this, so maybe I should look into that
because I'm not familiar with what that is.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not the Gladio stuff.
Speaker 2: So and the reason I say Gladio is that I
made a list in the Paul Williams book that he
lists all the shell front corporations that both the Bank
of Ambrosio and the Vatican Bank were using. It's like
twenty so there's all these weird names like this so
you know it's it is. Now you see why both
serial killers, conspiracy theorists, and the FBI in movies have
giant corkboards with string because it is very difficult to
keep up with all this. Like you read Whitney Webb's book,
it's like you need the you know, string corkboard to
draw all the connections because there's a lot of stuff.
Bat can launch his Catholic Stock Index. What to measure
ethical investments? Okay, I might have to read into this
because I don't even understand what that's supposed to mean.
Align your investment portfolio, portfolio with Catholic teaching. Now, does
this mean Catholic teaching when the death penalty was necessary
for butt stuff? Or is this Catholic teaching nowadays where
you can be a skittles priest. I'd like to know
what exactly the Vatican teaching is that my investments are
supposed to line up with.
Speaker 3: Maybe we could ask jeff Sein mcguffrey what's a good
thing to invest in?
Speaker 2: Since he, you know, he may actually be alive, and
if he is, maybe we could send a couple of
email asked, does Steve Bannon to send a couple of
emails to Jeff sty mcgaffrey get some investment advice because
a lot of people were asking Jeffrey about investment advice,
so maybe he could consult. Maybe this sounds like actually
a Jeff Steinn McCaffrey idea right here. He had a
lot of crazy, kooky ideas.
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Speaker 2: Jake Guitar got twenty dollars. Your lisp thing got me
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filmor so dollars. Orthodoxy seems the most untainted Christianity. You know,
But did they ever get involved or invaded by the
occult or these rings? Well, every church, every organization will
have members.
Speaker 3: That get co opted and get in.
Speaker 2: You know, you had, for example, Soviet bishops installed in
the Cold War. A lot of those guys got a compromise,
sexual compromise, co opted all that.
Speaker 3: Go watch my.
Speaker 2: Interview with Metropolitan Joanah on that, because he talks about
the Soviets had like a tear system of not compromisable,
maybe compromisable, totally compromised right of their of the various
Orthodox clergy in Russia and other you know, Baltic countries too, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that does exist.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Warsdox Church has had sex scandals too.
But I think it's the difference is that the the
scope and the gravity is way different. And I'm not
excusing the skullduggery that goes on with the EP or
any of that. They're they're also very bad. Good Godfather
two dollars. I watched PM show. It was funny, what's
the PM show? Fishy Filmerson dollars. God's miracles transcend natural
law to Satanic rituals work?
Speaker 3: I think sometimes they do things.
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard to explain or know exactly when,
But you know, you say, does does dark magic actually work?
I think at the least, you know, if you look
at say Michael Achino's book on black Magic, you know
he says, let's take all this Egyptian sorcery and the
and the principles behind Egyptian sorcery, and let's apply this
to military discipline and military you know, psyops and whatnot.
So perhaps in that way you could say it's verifiable,
But really I think what it works to do is
dupe the person doing it thinking that they're getting powers.
And that's the power of the delusion.
Speaker 3: Dah five dollars, Love you do, I thank you twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: You know what you're painting about Josephus writing about Jesus
in Antiquities. I mean, I've cited it as a historical source,
and I've cited as a proof of partial preterism because
he was an eyewitness to the destruction of the temple,
which backs up Luke twenty one of Matthew twenty four.
But I think Josepha's fell into some kind of weird
cult attitude and some kind of strange view about some
false Messiah. I forget exactly what the details were, but
so I don't know that he's totally trustworthy.
Speaker 14: But he is a.
Speaker 2: Ahistorical witness, you know, much like you know Tidus or
anybody else could be, or a tea shin or whoever
it is. That's the you know, the other famous historical
references to Jesus. I would class Josephus in that kind
of category.
Speaker 3: Christo, what's up? Gifted membership is Paul What's up? Five dollars?
Fishy film works twenty dollars? The end time scene near?
Speaker 2: Is our Is our time better spent pointing out influential
heretics or converting atheists or shoring up our family defenses?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about the end times, right, and we're
not as Orthodox supposed to be worried about it, So
I don't think there is a priority to Oh I've
got to, you know, debate all the atheists right as
more people become Orthodox, you know, you got, for example,
Jim Bob is doing really good debating all the atheists.
He's turned it up, so you've got people focusing on that.
I haven't really focused on the atheists in a while.
I've been doing other topics, mainly got to deal with
Bishop of Tilda Swaton, So that's the main person we
got to take down.
Speaker 3: Just kidding, Joshua Tree to dollars and Bibles of mind.
Speaker 2: The elites have everything, money and power and there are
people who want to be them and they want to
be with them.
Speaker 3: Why do they hurt the young? Do they worship bail?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that amongst the elite, you can
have the worship of anything. You worship yourself, Satan, Bail
Moloch be an atheist, Like, as long as you're willing
to do whatever the system says and compromise you can,
that's the only way to go up the chain. Crash
meta religion to dollars. Have you ever tried to debate
Jimmy Aikin. I'm sure he would not do it. I
think i've I mean, I've mentioned him and called him out,
but I don't think it's ever been proposed as a
debate topic. But how about Jimmy Aikin debate me on
the geopologies of the papacy? Because he reaffirmed Trent's position
during koof that there's no such thing as a global
Davos elite conspiracy doesn't exist, So he promotes the normy
crap that Trent does, so he would definitely be a
person to debate. So here you go, Jimmy Aikin, how
about IA challenge you to debate the geopolitics of the Vatican,
and what is a better explanation for the Vatican in
the twentieth century and its actions the kerosm of Peter
and indefectibility and infallibility, or the geopolitical power of the
Western elites turning it to be a tool of their propaganda.
And that would include, by the way, got him as
post trying to hurry so we can get to the
Tristan show here thorn thorn shield ten dollars.
Speaker 3: If global power cabal elites were to come out with
a official party name, would it be the Fabian Socialist
the disenfranchising Anglo Party.
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, I think ultimately at the root core of it
they are Satanic and that's why you see, for example,
the Jeff Stein mcguffrey email about t O R t
U R I n G the young Christian girl. That's
absolute pure Satanism, to defile the youth, which by the
way Crowley talks about the pure that's like the purest
form of Satanism is to do that.
Speaker 3: So that to me suggests that Jeff Stein and.
Speaker 2: The people at his sort of steering committee level, and
remember he was recruited into the Trilateral Commission, which is
a kind of above Steering Committee of CFR. He was
recruited in that very early, and that to me suggests
that there is a definite Satanic element and network amongst
the people at that level, and they believe that they
derive power from harming the most innocent. It's a principle
of inversion. So if they had a party name, I mean,
ultimately I think the ideology is you could say Fabian socialist,
because remember the baby and socials were pushing the same horrible,
disgusting art in the eighteen nineties. They were way ahead
of these people and pushing the same stuff. But yeah,
the Satanic socialists, how about that? The scott at five
dollars I stoke to finally see you say, the mean
girls gift that I made was the piety signaling henpeckers
and they're all saying, raise your hand if Jadi are victimized.
Speaker 3: You Okay, that's funny. Yeah, I saw that. I think
on Twitter that's what you're talking about. Good God.
Speaker 2: The Father two dollars the Piers Morgan show was actually
confirmed funny, thank you. I think everybody thought that was
funny except for Trent Horn looking for some thing to
bitch about.
Speaker 3: Or looks grammar Ja.
Speaker 2: I thank you, have you You've helped me from my
worldview geopolitics, theology and movie symbolism.
Speaker 3: You and Father Peter.
Speaker 2: Heres are my go to after Church and the Saints,
of course, but your song pantecoastal pentecostal cracks me up.
Thank you and shout out to doctor Evo and Ozzy
for that one. Or doctor I don't think as he
did that. But doctor Evo's a great producer there A.
Speaker 3: Lot of these recent jams wouldn't even exist without his production.
Speaker 2: Ord Zane, what's up? He says, let's go boys, and
he does he does the Wiga laugh. Uh oh, I
did I do a racism? Can Trent Horn expose me
for doing a racism? These ors fight dollars two bad
Orton Maxwell wasn't around to decipher.
Speaker 3: Sci Fi the Epstein files. You'll have to look at
the names on the colors that I.
Speaker 2: Used and to turn them into the opposite of what
they are, namely a twa doctile conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Snead five dollars. I have a screen recording of the
video proof that g Lane is a thing.
Speaker 2: Cover for Wayfair. I don't, I mean, why you just
try to put that on Twitter. I mean, while you're
trying to. I don't really do people trying to send
me secret information just.
Speaker 3: Put it up publicly?
Speaker 2: Dog fishy film or two dollars. Is there a black Pope?
I mean yeah, I kind of. I don't know if
they're like literally calling the shots, but I mean the
Jesuits do have a head of the Order, which historically
has had varying degrees of power. I guess it's debatable
to what degree they had power. But yes and no,
all right, I think we're getting towards the We've Steko
seven dollars, not to mention one hundred and twenty five
pounds UFC fighter could kill a body builder.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, good point. So just being a buff gay
dude doesn't.
Speaker 2: Actually make you a masculine killer to Rebut some of
what Trent Horne was saying, question, do you think Cadriano
was overrated?
Speaker 3: I just don't know a lot about that. It's not
a topic I've spent much.
Speaker 2: I don't had much time to get into Romanian iron guards,
so it's I just don't know much about it.
Speaker 3: Francis three dollars. I was born and raised Catholic.
Speaker 2: I was in a monastery and for some years, and
went down the set of a concerts track, and then
I realized it's crazy. A Now orthodox, everything makes much
more sense.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's great to hear. That's the kind of good news
I like to hear. Help me a lot hearing your backstory.
God bless you and your family.
Speaker 3: Thanks man. I appreciate that Francis Daniel five dollars when
you were talking to Jake about.
Speaker 2: Epstein and then he got promoted at bear Stearns because
he had insider information. I think that's what happened. I
mean that seems to be the way Whitney Web describes
it in that early chapter. This would make me think
of Wall Street. But your stream from two years ago
about move the movie Wall Street is vindicated.
Speaker 3: That's thank you.
Speaker 2: I forgot we even did a Wall Street stream. But yeah,
we talked about that with Jake Shield yesterday.
Speaker 3: Ooh, here we go, fast evers at writer Ge says
for one hundred dollars, Jay, I love your work. You're
the numb one reason I became orthodox. Your knowledge or
insight are actually invouable without a father figure. I look
up to you in that way.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 3: I definitely am not a very good father figure, but
I guess I can be a sort of pale reflection
of a full ooh your father figure. What's that, George Michael.
We don't want it to be in the George Michael says,
because that sounds kind of gay.
Speaker 2: But it's got a good rhythm, but a melody, but
the lyrics, if you pay attention to this is kind
of gay.
Speaker 3: Dude. I will be your fallow figure. Put your tiny
hands in mine. I won't be the one who loves
you to the end. Be well. Shout out the writer.
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Thank you guys. We were gonna be gonna other snatch
dods of dollars?
Speaker 2: Was Epstein LARPing. I don't think you're LARPing. If you're
like engaged in the stuff that came out in the
last two days that does that's not LARPing. That's serious evil, dude,
like the most evil shit you can do. And you know,
for for people to defend that, to cover up for that,
that makes me say they're trash people. And maybe in
the case of you know, Trent, maybe he just doesn't
even want to look at that because he's he's too
scared of where that would go.
Speaker 3: But you know what, it's it's what's out there. So
I'm not gonna act like or cover up.
Speaker 2: Prelates to the Vaticant or any of these scum, because
that's my religion.
Speaker 3: I got to cover up for them.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's you're making yourself a moral sort of accessory.
Not saying that Trent did anything actually like that. I'm
saying that to cope and defend these people who are
absolute just demons to me, makes that person a garbage person.
Speaker 3: Thanks Christopher Scott, he says for tend dollars.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jay, I'm a slow boy. I get ten
percent of what you talk about. Thank you to Jimbob
thinking Andrew. I'll be in the church around Posca. That's great, man,
it's good to hear that.
Speaker 3: God bless you. Do you think credit unions will exist
over the great reset? A good question. I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I'm just ready for bitcoin to become the norm. I
don't even know about this boomer shit like banks and
credit unions. That's all boomer to me dude. Guys get ready,
we'll be back over here with Tristan in just a
few moments.
Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere