Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there.
Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them.
Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me.
Speaker 3: Away the quickest.
Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us. And one of the things I remember
the most, where the eyes were going red. I see
an orb of light. It is just circling these steps
like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 4: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's
where I saw the top of the muzzle nose and
the eyes.
Speaker 3: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.
I don't like death.
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the show. I'd like to take this time to welcome
my guest in studio with me tonight. Ariel, thanks for
coming in here and talking with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself?
Speaker 2: So I pretty much grew up, you know, same state,
same town, had some really weird experiences, and just gonna
ramble about some of those.
Speaker 1: We've known each other for a few years outside of
this podcast. Your fiance is one of my best friends.
So yeah, that gives you the privilege to come into
my barn, the rabbit hole or whatever I decided to
end up calling it and record with me in person.
Speaker 2: It's very cool.
Speaker 1: You are the third person to get to the recording here,
so I've got a few other people wanting to but
I'm so booked out that it's hard to do it, and
so I'm trying to do it on a weekend, and
usually the weekends are busy for me too, so.
Speaker 2: Right, but.
Speaker 1: No, if you want to dive on into what you're
wanting to talk about, we can get right on into it.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, uh so, I have a twin brother and
me and him are really close. So when we were
about twelve, we went with my mom to look at
this new house we were about to move into and
got it from her cousin who was in the military.
And the first day, like, it was summer, super nice day,
super sunny, all that windows a lot a lot of
windows in this house, so it looked all bright and nice.
But as soon as I went in there, I felt
like a heaviness that I have not felt before. It
was almost like impending doom. And so, you know, I
was exploring the house while they were off also exploring
the house doing whatever, and I walked upstairs. It was
a two level house, and instantly it just got worse
that feeling dead. So I was like, okay, it's really weird,
and we moved in. You know, everything was fine for
like a couple months, and one night, me and my
brother and one of our friends we grew up with,
like we used to love those like lightsabers that actually
lit up and stuff. So we had all the lights
off in the house downstairs and was just playing around,
acting like Jedis and whatnot. And we all got to
a point where you just kind of like took a
break and was looking around and in the dark, and
we just all saw like a figure walk from the
dining room into the kitchen and disappear, and we all
just like were quiet, and then all of a sudden,
all the dishes and the sink flew out, and so
we ran upstairs to our parents room and was like
we just saw something and all the dishes crashed in
the kitchen. They're like, oh, you guys are just you
were just playing too rough and you like shook the
kitchen or something. And we were like, okay, that's really
not what happened.
Speaker 1: But all right, what did it look like? If you
could define the shape too.
Speaker 2: Humanoid for sure, Like it had like a human hype
shape to it. It was like gray just stood out
from the blackness as all.
Speaker 1: It looked more like a shadow sloette of a person. Yeah,
and say, sometimes people see things and they either have
different shapes to themselves or if you can tell like
it had some sort of like residual clothing look to it,
or it's just a silo it of a person.
Speaker 2: It just had a silhoue of a person, no like
defining features. Really, it was weird. So but that was
like the first weird experience, and just from there on
we always felt like we were being watched and we'd
hear it sounded like someone was walking around downstairs all
the time, because everybody's bedrooms were upstairs and downstairs it
was like a living room kind of like we had
like two dining rooms essentially, and like a bathroom under
the stairway and then a kitchen and like it. It
was pretty a pretty big space and we could all
just hear sounded like someone was walking around downstairs, but
our parents never like seemed to take any notice to it.
At the time, it was me and my twin brother
living at home, and then our older brother and our
older sister also still living at home, and none of
us really like talked about it till after the fact,
after we had moved out, like ten years later. I
guess they had all had experiences too.
Speaker 1: How old were you We soon moved in twelve.
Speaker 2: You were twelve, and my older brother he's eight years
older than me, and then my older sister is eleven
years older than me. So you know, we all had
like different experiences and they're at different times. And I
guess my sister for a little while, she had moved
out and then had to move back in, but there
wasn't any more room for her because me and my
twin would share a bedroom. After she moved out, I
got my own bedroom, which is her old bedroom. So
she had slept in the second dining room essentially like
we had cleared it out, made it kind of like
a little room. And she said at night she felt
like it sounded like someone was well she felt someone
tugging on her blanket and then heard someone like walking around,
so she thought it was like one of us trying
to mess with her. It wasn't, obviously, and uh, she
said she started getting really creeped out about it because
then she would like anticipate it to happen and there
would be like nothing all she did, or just feel
the blanket like get tugged. So, I mean, there's just
a lot of weird stuff at the time that we
didn't really talk about. It was just kind of like, okay,
that happened.
Speaker 1: Do you ever wonder why no one ever brings it up.
It's a very common trait between people to where they
experience weird stuff, but for some reason, no one ever
wants to talk about it. Like people will have an experience,
like they see something at the same exact time, and
they will sit in silence and not bring it up
until after after so long because no one knows how
to react to it.
Speaker 2: I think it's harshly like denial, and then also like, well,
what if I'm crazy? Everybody wonders if they're crazy. That
was definitely my fear is like, oh, I don't want
them to thinking I'm making it up or imagining it
or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Or it takes the one person to be brave enough
to bring it up to yeah, kick it off for
everyone else to say things when it comes to paranormal
activity or anything like that. Like for me, it's hard
to take everything one hundred percent, just because I think
there's a lot of things when it comes to paranormal
stuff that could be explained by something else. But like
if you're seeing an actual shadow person basically and the
dishes flying to go along with it, Like if there's
more than just you in there. That would be the
first red flag for everyone else in the family to
start talking about it to me, because like, you'all just
seen some shit happen, right, So it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me and my brother, my twin brother, I mean,
we would talk about it sometimes, but we were dealing
with a whole bunch of other stuff that that just
wasn't priority. You know, my so just briefly, you know,
my mom was schizophrenic, so you know, she's abusive and
had weird delusions and stuff. So we're just dealing with
a whole bunch of other crap, and none of us
really talked about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So until later without going down that pathway, is it
because you're if you talked about it, were you afraid
it would be almost like your like your mom. Yeah,
that's what we were, all people schizophrenic too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were all that makes sense. Yeah, and my
older brother, you know, he he struggles with drug addiction,
so he never really brought anything up either until way later.
And yeah, it's a whole bunch of crazy stuff going
on that we never was like, oh, hey, I saw
this happen, did you, and just kept to ourselves.
Speaker 1: Was there anything else that happened as I wouldn't say violent,
but as chaotic as the classes dishes being tossed around.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I'm Christian, you know, I believe in
God and all that, and people like demons and stuff.
So it happens. One night, me and my dad were
at my grandma's house talking about this crazy story she
had experienced with, you know, a demon in her place
and having to do certain things to get rid of it.
And this pastor had told her, you know, if it
shows itself or you know, like starts making noises and
stuff like it was, you know, say in the name
of Jesus Christ, leave this house like three times and
it should make it go away. So I was like, oh,
that's creepy. And it so happens that night when I
got home. You know, I had fallen asleep and I
had woke up because I had a little pomerine and
that always slept on my bed and we had wood
floors in the room, and he was just rowling at
this one corner of my room and it looked like
he was slowly like getting scooted back from it. And
I was like, am I dreaming right now? Like what
is going on. So I sit there and I'm watching him,
and he keeps getting slid back, but he's like angry,
growling and barking at the corner of my room. So
I get freaked out and I start saying that stuff,
you know, in the name of Jesus Christ, leave this
place and blah blah blah, and it stops. The dog,
you know, relaxes and just comes and hops up on
my bed like nothing even happened. So I was like, uh, well,
I'm not going to sleep the rest of the night.
And yeah. I ended up telling my brother about that,
and he was like, I always feel like there is
something in the corner of my room watching me. I've
never seen a shape again like we did the first time,
but He's like, I always feel like it's here.
Speaker 1: I was like, me too, Yeah, there is. And I
forget exactly when this was, but there was something back
in I think it was Vietnam when they did the
first vision like night vision stuff maybe ever heard. Basically,
they were using infrared, but everything was instead of a
green look or a white look, everything was in red.
The story goes that when they were testing them out,
people were freaking out because they could see things flying around,
and they were calling them demons or other things because
they were picking up things that we can't normally see
with our naked eye because we can only see in
certain color patterns. Been like infrared, you can see with
certain aspect like well, it's full spectrums. They are entities
or beans or whatever that's supposed as they live within
these things that we can't normally see, so they're supposedly
always around us anyways, which is creepy to think about.
Speaker 2: I one believe that because in any other house I
lived in, I never felt what I did living in
this house that I'm talking about now, you know, like
I said, the first day, I just I felt like
in pending doom, and like just I knew there was
just bad things to come and that just so happens.
I was also like the peak of my mom's episodes
and the abuse and all that other stuff. So yeah,
just I feel like that kind of contributed to it,
because we would catch her in our room like talking
to herself, and we thought it was like just her
being weird and crazy. But one day she had stopped
one of our friends that was hanging out. Nobody else
was in the house. We were all walking out the
door to go somewhere, and he was like the last
one out the door besides her, but I guess she
had stopped him and was like, hey, they don't believe me,
but there's evil upstairs. And he was he didn't know
what to do with that information. He didn't know that
we were seeing crap there. So he was like okay,
And you know, he had told my brother, and my
brother told me, and I was like, oh, so mom
sees it too. You know, maybe we're not completely crazy.
Speaker 1: So far as some of the things that went on
in the house, Like did you ever see anything else
again far as like shape wise or is it more
or less just that one time for the shadow?
Speaker 2: I saw a pair of red eyes one time. So
we also in our second dining room, which we really
used as like our computer area, we had like these
I don't know what you call them, like the double
patio doors, and we didn't have like curtains over him
or anything. And one night I was just like walking
through there talking to my older sister on the phone
because she wasn't there. She had moved out by that point,
and I walked by the door and there's just a
pair of red freaking eyes staring through the glass like
at eye level. And I was like what, And I screamed,
dropped the phone and ran and told my dad because
he was in the living room just right next to
the computer room there, and he went and looked and
he's like, I don't see anything. It must have been
a coyote. And I was like, but Dad, that had
to have been a tall coyote. He's like, but you
were also like four or eleven. So I didn't really
buy that story because to me, it just didn't make
sense for it to be. I never heard of a
coyote having red eyes, no, being that tall. And it's
I didn't even see like a figure with it.
Speaker 1: I just saw it.
Speaker 2: It was on our patio through the double patio door.
It's like the height wise like oh, like eye level
with me.
Speaker 1: And you were standing. There have been no way to
be a coyote.
Speaker 2: No. I also kind of think my dad is in
denial about some stuff. He's still never said much about
that house.
Speaker 1: So for me, when like when you see eyes reflecting
at that high level, like it doesn't coyote's eyes also
wouldn't be reflecting red.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I none of that like I said, makes sense.
Speaker 1: Most eyes shine from an animal, it's typically like a
white to a yellow e type of color. You don't
really see red.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like sometimes I'll see green on like pear
housers something. But yeah, that just didn't make sense to me.
So I was like, Okay, whatever, I guess I'm just
gonna try to forget about that.
Speaker 1: The red eye think, for some reason is weird. But
it's related to like big foot type stuff, which I
think is also stranger when people say they see big
foots that they're eyes are glueling red, which as a primate,
and I don't know, I'm not an expert, but you
wouldn't think like our eyes don't reflect. Now, they reflect
red if you take a photo, but like if you
have headlights shine and your eyes don't reflect like an animal.
So I've always thought that was strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, well that was definitely a weird situation.
I picked the phone back up and my sister was like,
oh my god, are you okay? What happened? And I
was like, I guess I just saw a coyote and
just went on acting like that did not happen.
Speaker 1: No for me, I wouldn't if I saw red eyes
looking at me. Me being myself, I'd probably just go
and look to see what it was because I'm stupid
like that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, well not me. It still gives me goosebumps
thinking about that, because I mean nothing about that was
like obviously not human, not animal, just I felt.
Speaker 1: But at least it was outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, well least it's not in the
house that I saw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's weird when it comes to certain aspects to
when it comes to things like this, because if you
see something outside while it's outside, so it's not actually
in there with you.
Speaker 2: And this was after that incident with my little Pomeranian too.
Maybe at that point maybe couldn't get in or something.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say that these things have to
be invited in, right, And it didn't matter that you
guys moved into it after the fact, like it was
already there, because at that point it was letting you
know when you first moved in, this is my place.
That's why the stuff got thrown off the table or
off the dishes were tossed and you saw it or
whatever that was. It's letting you know that it's here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of the feeling that I got is
just like I shouldn't be here, just hatred and evil
and penning doom, all of the negativity. Yeah, I've never
felt that at any other house before or after, So
I mean it, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: A lot of people like that. They're out the word
demons because that is what is popular these days. I
don't want to say everything's demons. There are certain things
out there that people call demons that on a technicality
basis as demons, but now people think that alien activity
is demons. So I don't like to go down that
pathway of saying everything as a demon, right, But if
there's an over a bearing feeling of like just pure
evil and hatred and everything else, like there's either something
very traumatic happen there that has put this energy to
manifest itself in there and it won't let go of it,
or it could be something demonic, like I don't.
Speaker 2: I kind of you know, obviously, like you said, lots
of people like to go towards the demonic thing. But
I've always been into like, oh, I wonder if there's
like cryptids or you know, aliens, and not just because
of my religious upbringing, but just I don't know the
way everything happened, what I would feel. It felt, you know, spiritual,
like a demon. And you know, there's that story my
grandma was talking about with my older cousin, you know,
her son's son. I guess his mom, when she was
pregnant with him, had went to like some sort of
palm reader because she was having nightmares that something bad
was gonna happen with her kid, and so she went
to a palm reader. And I guess this palm reader
said some along the lines of, you know, there's gonna
be evil around when your son is born, and there's
gonna be the specific song that plays in the hospital
and stead of what they normally play, and if you
hear that, that's how you know the evil will be around,
and lo and behold. Months later, when he was born,
she heard that song in the hospital and started freaking out.
My uncle didn't believe any of it, so he says, but, uh,
my grandma was over visiting seeing the new baby and everything,
and you know, the mom was in the bathroom getting ready,
and my grandma and my uncle were in the room,
you know, looking at the baby and stuff, and he
had got called in the bathroom and he went in there,
and so it's just my grandma and my cousin and
she said, you know, there's no noise playing anywhere, no radios,
no TVs. The TV was on, but it was muted,
and she said, all of a sudden, she started hearing
a beautiful man's voice singing. Oh. I can't remember the
name of the song, but she just started hearing a
beautiful man's voice singing. And so she looked up at
the TV and she's like, nope, not the TV. And
so she called out, she was like, hey, you know,
is that you singing? And he comes to the living room.
He's like, what are you talking about? My uncle did,
and she was like, well, I just heard a beautiful
man's voice singing. Wasn't that you. He goes, Nope, don't
tell Jennifer that. You know, she's already freaking out because
this this and that, you know, with the poem reader
and what she said to her, and Grandma's like, oh,
well that's really weird. So I kind of freaked her out.
And I guess when she went home that night. She
she lived by herself and it was just in a
little apartment and the bedroom. She had two bedrooms upstairs
and that was it. And I guess she had heard
a deep growl in her spare bedroom and so she
was freaked out, kind of thinking, well, maybe it's a robber.
I think she was just in denial or something, you know,
trying to excuse it for anything else. And so she
went up, was looking around, you know, getting ready to
like cap the fight she had to saw nothing nowhere.
So she called her sister to talk about it, and
her sister called a family member that was a priest,
and you know, eventually he talked to my grandma and
was like, that sounds like a demonic spirit. This after
you know, his son, your your son's son because it
was his firstborn. And so ever since then, you know,
she said she's had to keep a Bible next to
her bed and say some prayer and she feels anything's
weird in there, you know, say in the name of
Jesus Christ, leave this house. And kind of seems like
that's been a thing on my side of the family's
firstborn son is always you know, trying to get its
soul taken or something.
Speaker 1: What was the song that the palm raider told your
aunt or wherever it would have been.
Speaker 2: I don't think my brain keeps wanting to say a hush,
a little baby, but I don't think that was it.
I wish I could remember right now, but something that
wasn't normal to be played because I guess when someone
has a baby, or back then when they had a baby,
they'd play a song and everybody know a baby was
born or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about something like that. When it
comes to palm readers or fortune tellers or anything like
that in general, I'm always skeptical just because I feel
like a lot of them are drifting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really believe in that kind of.
Speaker 1: I think people have psychic abilities to an extent, and
like they're more in tune with like what goes on
than the average person. I think there's a lot of
parts of our brain that we all can have that
ability to which just don't know how to tap into it.
But when it comes to people saying they can predict
the future, they're going to tell you your future, and
how why are all these people not winning the.
Speaker 2: Lottery right exactly? Like, I definitely think that there are
people out there that can, you know, tap into those abilities,
but I think most of them are just you know,
trying to play you or something.
Speaker 1: I always bring up when I've talked a few psychics before,
but I always bring up the thing from the nineties
because that's just what I remember, is like miss Cleo,
they call me now for your free reading stuff, like
I just remember those late night commercials and miss Cleo.
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is just from when I heard
that story the one time. My grandma doesn't like to
talk about it, and this was way back when I
still lived in this creepy house that I heard that,
and it definitely seems like my brother, you know, he
was really going through some stuff. It was my dad's
firstborn son, so only son really, because my older brother
is from a different guy. So yeah, it just kind
of seems like a thing in my family on that side,
that they're always going through something weird and crazy, like spiritual.
I guess like my brother, yeah, he thinks that, like
sometimes he's followed by something like that. He said he
was at a friend's house and they were talking about, oh,
since you've been staying here, like we've heard weird stuff
and like stuff getting moved around. And I guess my
brother had woke up with like three scratch marks on him,
like deep ones, and it freaked him out. He won't
hardly tell me any deeper.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even remember what he said. If it
was on his arm or his leg or his back.
It was one of those spots. But he only told
me once and he said, I don't want to talk
about it. It's really creepy.
Speaker 1: Is this your older brother or your twin my twin brother. Okay, Yeah,
the three is very I've done all that here, which
I think you guys know, like when we first moved in. Yeah,
the three is always referred to as mocking of the
Holy Trinity. So when there's three scratch marks I have
learned from other people or from things I've read, which
it could be one hundred percent not true, who knows,
but usually it is referred to as something mocking the
Holy Trinity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that too. I there's just a whole
lot of weird stuff. Now I'm open to believing it's whatever,
But this, like I said, just to me, it feels
more spiritual, like demonic.
Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like when you were there that
you were ever like a heaviness to yourself, like oh yeah,
like your energy was I almost say, like being drained,
but like something like just very heavy in the air,
like draining to an extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now I felt I don't know, I just felt
horrible being at home, and it seemed like when I
would go out and hang out with some friends, I
felt way better, and as soon as I go back home,
I felt even more depressed. I felt like exhausted all
the time, just like I was being watched all the time,
like I was walking on eggshells all the time. Uh,
just weird, weird feeling. There was always like I had
two windows in my room as well, and birds constantly
only in my room would whack into my window all
the time for no apparent reason. I mean, I just
felt like I was kind of targeted.
Speaker 1: Like something I was just drawing towards it. That is strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1: Did you ever notice a lot of flies?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh huh, especially well in my room, a
ton of them around the window sills. But then also
weirdly enough, in this like sun room we had back
next to the kitchen is also where it was like
and I mean this thing wasn't like, it wasn't open,
it wasn't an open sunroom and it was completely enclosed sunroom,
and I don't know. We also got really weird vibes
back there too. Josh my twin, he would not He
did not like hanging out there at night by himself.
He always wanted me or like a friend or something
to be out there with him. And that's where we
kept a lot of like our guitars and stuff, and
Drum said at one point, so that was the main
hangout area, and he did not like to be there
at night by himself.
Speaker 1: Did I tell you about the recent fly incident. No,
it was right before I came out to hear, which
is part of the reason why I wanted to get
out of the house. This was back in June, but
this whole desk, I was down here editing, and I
had to go out to the chickens and put them up.
So from going to the basement to the chicken back
in here is a total of five minutes. So I
come back here and there the fly, and then there's
another dead fly. And I'm pretty sure I think I
still have them in the garage. I need to bring
them out here to get them out of the house.
But I have about twenty seven dead flies that are
across my desk in a five minute spans. They were
not here because I was down here messing with stuff.
They were not on my desk, but they are all green,
metallic green, and they were. I put them all in
this little cup and I put a lim and I
brow them out to the garage and that's where they
were staying at.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know what's up with the fly thing.
I've never really heard like an explanation for that, but
I just know it kind of goes hand in hand
with like like evil spirit.
Speaker 1: And they were for mine. They were literally only on
this day. They were nowhere else, only on my desk.
So the entire basement I only found them on my desk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're being targeted.
Speaker 1: And that was literally two months ago.
Speaker 2: You Well, yeah, I would. From what I can remember,
it was mostly like the most accumumulation that I remember
is on my windowsills up there. And I don't think
my twin brother had that or my older brother. I
don't think my parents windows had that. I remember my
dad he would come in my room sometimes and just
you know, we'd be chit chatting and he'd be like, here,
you need to clean your windows. You like, never clean
your window sills. You always got dead bugs over here.
I clean it. I don't know why they how they
keep showing up, or I don't know where they're getting it.
Speaker 1: At, or when I looked online for the green ones,
they're basically staying there or attracted to something rotting. So
usually it's a dead animal or something. I didn't have
anything dead, But a lot of people will write off
all windows sill flies are coming in because it's warmer
and they get trapped, or a lot of people look
for the explanations to certain things. But like if you
start to look into a lot of these weird occurrences,
flies for some strange reason are very prevalent in a
lot of the details. Like even I'm pretty sure the
old horror movie of the Amity built, Oh yeah, there
were slies in on their windows at some point too,
because I think that was part of the Delfio's story
or the whatever the people's not, but the the ones
that ended up taking over the house.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what color these flies were. I think
it was. I think I think I saw like regular
black ones. I think I saw green ones too. At
some it just and the house did smell like sulfur,
like really bad. We did have well water, so that
could have been it, but it seemed like it would
be in places where we had like not a sink
or stuff like that. So it just seemed like the
whole entire house smelled like it all the time.
Speaker 1: Well, was it an older house?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this was an old house. I don't know
the year, but I was old.
Speaker 1: Is it in town or was it outside of town?
Speaker 2: Right on the edge of town. It's on Boulevard East
one South.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's kind of on the outskirts. Basically, you said, oh, well,
I'm trying to think like, for me, the land themself
airy something I don't want to say like residual hauntings
or anything like that. But look at the area that
we're we live in. This whole area was like Native
American lands at one point or another. And that actually
who knows what those things were built on top of?
Speaker 2: Right, That actually goes into another experience I had. So, uh,
you know, we didn't at first. We didn't grow up
super religious. I mean we would go to church every
now and then, but there was a point where my
parents wanted to start sending us to a Christian school
after we had moved on to Boulevard, and you know,
we had been going there for a little bit and
I had a dream, a really really weird dream, and
I like it almost felt real while it was happening.
And you know, I woke up in the house by myself.
It was dark, and I looked out the windows and
everything was like red and just red and black outside,
and I'm like, Okay, where is everybody at? So I'm
looking around and I get that feeling of impending doom
and all that, and I'm looking out the windows and
finally I see movement and I'm just seeing dead Indians
coming out of the ground in my dream and trying
to get into the house, but they can't get in,
and I'm like, where is everybody? And it's like the
whole time, I'm trying to keep things from getting in
the house, trying to find my family. And I wake
up and that was that one just stuck with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a weird dream to.
Speaker 2: And it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very the memory of it or whatever, very
problem because I don't want to say that's one hundred
percent ties in. Like I said, I don't say anything
because I don't know anything, but I think a lot
of the stuff, at least around here has something to
do with Native American lands, just because this used to
be in their land and we came and basically took
it from them and build our places on them. And
here we are. So who knows what happened here hundreds
of years ago.
Speaker 2: Right, And I guess Kokomo was actually named after an
Indian chief in that area. His name is Chief Kokomoco,
is what my aunt had told me at one point.
So I mean, yeah, who knows what that house was
even built on. But it seems like, after you know,
we started going to that Christian school, I kept having
weird dreams like that. I even had a dream where,
you know, I woke up in the house by myself
again trying to find people, and it's red outside, and
I go to look in our backyard, and our backyard
we had six acres. We were on six acres of
land total, so we had a really big backyard and
there was a fenced part and then the rest of
it was unfenced, and you know, we had apple trees
and other stuff like that out there. So I look
outside and it seems like way in the back, I
can see someone's standing out there, so I'm like, I'm
gonna go see if that's like mom or Dad or
one of my siblings. And I walk out there and
then I just randomly see a Before I get to
that figure, I see another figure on a swing set
that we didn't even have swinging, and so I go
up to her and she looks at me and she
has no face and she just points over at the
figure that I'm seeing, and I'm like, okay, well, I'll
just go check that out. That's weird. And I go
up to it and it's my mom. I can like
from behind, it's my mom, and she's looking down and
there's a big crack in the ground that's representing hell.
There's like fire, and I can hear scream and crackling,
and she's just staring at it. And I look up
at her and her head severed and then it falls
off and right in front of me, and it's from
my mom's face looking at me, and then her body
falls in and so I wake up and I'm like,
what even was that? I kept feeling like maybe I
was being like threatened, like your whole family's gonna burn
or something or you know, if you don't if you
don't leave type of thing. I don't know. I had
a lot of weird dreams around that point especially.
Speaker 1: And that is a very graphic dream. Yeah, well, knowing
some of the things I know from just talking outside
of this, to me, it almost seems like that dream
is I don't know how to say it without someding
like cliche or whatever, but like you cut the head
off the snake, and from everything that we've talked about before,
like the problems with your mom and everything else, like
maybe it wasn't so much a dream in the sense
of it's evil, but it's almost like a dream kind
of telling you what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also have thought of maybe that explanation, like
maybe it's saying, hey, you know, because my mom's thing
was to blame us for like literally everything. We didn't
understand mental health back then. You know, my dad didn't
talk about it, he was gone at work all the time.
We just didn't understand mental health. So I feel like
maybe that was kind of it say you know, you're
not the problem, your mom is the problem, or you're
you know, she's.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's subconsciously you know this And that was your
mind's way of telling you, like, it's not you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've thought of a million different things
that that could have meant, and I just don't know. Yeah,
it just really crazy like experiences going on. You know,
at that time, I didn't really know how to process anything.
Speaker 1: Now, before you guys moved here, was there ever any
weird activity that you're aware of prior at the house,
just in your family in general, like from the previous
place you lived or whatever, Because sometimes these things can
attach to people, and maybe your mom was like the
harbinger of a lot of them.
Speaker 2: Not that I can remember, not really. It just all
seemed to start hitting us like a freight train when
we moved into that place.
Speaker 1: So the house itself was the catalyst for everything.
Speaker 2: That's what we all think, because not to.
Speaker 1: Interrupt, but like, was there a problem prior to this
with your mom before you guys moved in, or did
the escalate since you moved into that house?
Speaker 2: She was always abusive, but she wasn't so mentally unstable.
As soon as we moved to this Boolevard house, she
snapped and was saying crazy stuff and getting even more
abusive more regularly. And it just because before you know
it was. It was bad, but not near as bad
as when we moved into that house.
Speaker 1: It does sound very reminiscent of when the other people
have these issues or whatever, like and I don't want
to say she was possessed, but like maybe the negative
energies that's already there amplified what's already inside of her, Yeah,
and just manifest this whole storm of evilness.
Speaker 2: That's what. That's something my older sister had said, She
said that she thinks that's what happened, and my aunt
has said the same thing.
Speaker 1: So these things are known to take advantage of situations,
and especially the ones that are already weak. Their mom
may have been a lot more grown to this just
from her disability or mental disability with it, and it
just was just easy for her to It was easy
for it to just like latch onto her, and everything
that she was doing was just being amplified because it
was this thing. Because these things supposedly live off the negativity,
they feed on the negative energy, They feed on the fear,
the hatred, all like that is what they're basically low vibrations.
If you talk to a lot of people, they feed
on low vibrations. And hateful at fearfulness, all that stuff
is like a very low vibration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom was definitely a very negative minded, hateful
person even before moving into this house, and you know,
probably because of that entity latching on to her. I
feel like, like you said, that just amplified everything.
Speaker 1: They have. Again, I don't know. I'm not saying this
is what happened because I don't know, but just from
talking with other people and the things I've read and
researched or looked into and watched, it seems like these
types of beams or whatever you want to call them,
this is what they do. They have a means to
latch on to the weakest person and that's how they go.
Like we mentioned the Amityville like it literally the guy
that murdered his whole family and then the low is
that moved in afterwards, like the father, same thing they
were trying to like get through him. Like yeah, and
obviously there's that's just the most popular. So why to
bring that up. That's just because everyone knows what that is, right,
But like, there are so many other instances of where
this has happened, and it's very similar to where it
seems like these things find the one weak person and
then that's the person that they latch onto and they
use them as their means of causing trauma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my older brother, who struggles with addiction has even
back then he used to you know, and he still does.
He says that he is followed by a demon everywhere
he goes, which he was diagnosed with like drug induced schizophrenia.
So it could be that. But it all kind of
relates back to the peak of all that crazy stuff
happening onto the boulevard house. We've you know, it's just
kind of hard to say, oh, that's true, or oh
that's just your disability.
Speaker 3: Or.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've talked with folks and I wonder if they
themselves aren't schizophrenic. But then you need to, like I
need to think about this in a different perspective than
the science based perspective. What if people that we say
have these schizophrenic disabilities or whatever. What if the things
that they are saying are seeing maybe they're actually seeing
that stuff. Like I understand that they're seeing it, but
like what if it's it is real?
Speaker 2: Like what if having that disability actually opens up, Yes,
the part that.
Speaker 1: You can see stuff like the thing they say they
the demons are doing this, Like maybe they actually see
the demons that we say it's a disability because we
don't see them, right, But what if their mind were
shut off from it, like I said it was psychics earlier.
What if their mind actually sees these things that are there.
What if there they don't need those Vietnam infrared glasses
to see these things, like they have the ability to
actually see these low frequency beings.
Speaker 2: Now, if it wouldn't have been for my own experiences
at that place, I would not have believed my mom
or my older brother. But knowing having my own experiences
when nobody was home, I feel like that could be
the case.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm open to believing anything like that because we don't know.
We don't know one hundred anything. You know. People were like, Oh,
there's only Heaven and there's only how or there's nothing else.
We're the only beings in the galaxy, and it's like,
we don't know that we can explore that. Who knows.
Speaker 1: I don't like going down the whole religious aspects. I'm
not a religious person. I think there's a lot more
to it than just heaven and hell, and for the
most part, people always want to say good and evil
the Bible, the Old Testament. I don't even think they
really ever mentioned a devil in the Old Testament. That
was more of a New Testament thing. And the God
of the Old Testament was a lot more vengeful than
the God of the New Testament. So when it comes
to Christianity anything like that, I just recently found there's
forty thousand different denominations of Christianity, which is crazy to
think about that there's that many, Right, So I just
try and take all religious aspects and just not worry
about it and focus on what goes on. But like
for this once people say demons more or less, the
demons were the fallen angels or whatever you want to
call them, they fell down, Like, just take that off base.
What if that is not the case, But what if
these things were already here? And that's what these things are.
We call them ghosts, we call them demons. Some people
call them aliens, some people call them interdimensional beings. Like
there's all sorts of different things they could possibly be,
but the fact of the matter is that they are
these things that just feed on us. They feed on
the energy. Some people call them suckubists some people call them.
It's all the same thing, like they are, we are
basically here and all the negativity that goes on in
the world, look at look at social media as that's
all you need to look at. Like, right, we hear
their food source and we one hundred percent make it
easy for them. But is that by design?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I am you know, I I always say that,
you know, I'm a Christian. I believe in God, but
I also feel like I don't always agree with Christianity it.
You know, I I'm open to believing a lot because
I am also aware that there's more to it. There's
more to this world than what even Christianity says or
what this religion says or that religion says. And I
just kind of go off of my own experiences and
now I'm just pretty much open.
Speaker 1: To I don't follow anyone for having beliefs like a religion,
but for me, I feel like religion boxes you in. Yeah,
and a lot of the ways that religions are set up,
they're set up to control people. You have to believe
this way and this is the only way.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, there are tons of horror, like religious horror,
stories like we're like conversion camps, you know, being you know,
like in the same gender. You know, that's a sin,
and so we're going to send you to a conversion
camp and torture you. That good.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cults based off religions too, because
people claim they talk to God, and because they could
talk to God, that means you have to listen to
what I tell you because God says you have to
do this because God told me, and then people believe
that shit, right.
Speaker 2: It's like, but where's the evidence?
Speaker 1: They don't question that, You don't question the person because
he is, you're questioning God like it is. I don't
want to say it's easy, Like if people are so
easily manipulated by a charismatic person, the cult leader, it's
almost like anyone that goes down that pathway can be
easily persuaded because once you start believing in them what
this person in charge is telling you, how far are
they going to push it to where they're like, well,
God says you have to do this now, right, and
who are you to question God? And they could throw
that out there and for anyone listening. I'm not explaining
to people how to become a cult leader. But I'm
just trying to say, like it's very prevalent in most
cults that there's always the one leader, and he's always
I say he, but it typically seems to be most men.
They're other cult leaders. But and they have this way
of manipulating people and it's all done in the name
of God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. And there's just a lot of people
I think that are either too lazy to question or
they just don't have that ability to question, so they're
more of a follower.
Speaker 1: Some of them are bred into it in the sense
like they've been brought up into the whole cult themselves,
so they don't even know what they're questioning because this
is all they know.
Speaker 2: It's normal to them. Yeah, I think it's crazy, like
you said, just how easily someone could just do that
and people will just.
Speaker 1: Go along with it for us looking outside, like it
seems crazy. But to the people that experience that, I
know that they don't have any Here in Indiana is
where Jim Jones originally came from. And anyone listening with
no Jim Jones like they've went down to South America
and drink the kool aid. How much power does one
person have that can make an entire colony of people
up and move and not to mention all commit suicide,
because again that goes against the wishes of God if
you believe in the Bible and the sense of because
that is a sin like calls in your ounds, it's hypocritical.
I don't know, Like I said, when it comes to religion,
I get very cult leader, I guess because I have
my own beliefs about it.
Speaker 2: You know, I've definitely believe in a higher power than
you know. I believe in good, I believe in evil.
But I wouldn't say I'm religious because I don't just
think one way and that's the way, or you know,
I don't think everybody should or I'm not going to
try to get everybody to.
Speaker 1: Or I think if you're a good person and you
do good in life and you try and be good,
that's the best thing anyone can really do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that are quote unquote
great people that are very judgmental, very backstabbing, very not
what they front to be. Yet when you see them
or talk to them, and they act like they're the
greatest things out there and they're super super nice and
they're great people, but it's just a front.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The genuine person that's a good person does what they
can do and helps people and tries to do the
best they can. I think those are the people that
really are going to if there is an afterlife, those
will be the ones will be rewarded, not the fakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's why I have my issues with most religions
and churches and everything else, because I feel like a
good portion of the people that go are only there
for appearances. Yeah, they're not there to live the life
that they claim that they're there to live. That's only
there for the appearance's sake. I'm here for two hours.
Now I get to go commit all the sins again
and come back and ask for forgiveness. That's not how
it should work.
Speaker 2: No, And they're often the most judgmental people out there.
Like that Christian school that me and my brother my
twin brother had went to, those were the rudest, most
horrible people I had ever experienced in my life. I
got told every day by the little other little kids
there that I was going to go to hell because
I wore pants and not a skirt and I had
a cell phone and then I had a guitar like
they were. You know, their parents taught them that stuff,
their school taught them that stuff. You know, their religion
tells them, you know, if you don't live this way,
then you're going to go to hell. For sure.
Speaker 1: That's the fear tactic. And it's the same thing, like
I said, with the cults, and it's the same thing.
That's when it push comes a shove almost every religion
to an extent as a cult, I mean by definition
they are yep, and the belief systems are pushed upon them.
And the fear of going to Hell or wherever it
is for not following their set rules, it was pushed too,
because that is again a means to control. That's why
I say I don't do religion because I think it's
all just made to control people and to push whatever
narrative they want pushed on people.
Speaker 2: Right, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Back to the the house, What was one of the
last things that you remember that happened before you guys
ended up moving?
Speaker 2: Uh, there was one day in particular where there was
just a ton of birds smacking my window. And this
was we were slowly packing up to move and there
were just a ton of birds smacking my windows all
day for like a week straight, and then a few
nights before we actually moved out, I had a TV
sitting on a TV stand, a wooden one, and I
was watching I think it was like Coast Adventures or something,
and I started hearing like this creaking sound and like
this was a sturdy TV stand. I started hearing a
creaking sound, and I was like, what is going on?
So I muted my TV and was listening, and then
my TV just like everything collapses on the stand. Like
it didn't even look like anything had broke, like it
had just fallen apart and it crashed everything on because
it was kind of like a shelf one. Everything just
freaking crashed and broke in on itself. And this thing,
like I said, it was sturdy. It was almost brand
new and it wasn't wobbly, no janky stuff like that.
So freaked me out, and I screamed, and they heard
all the stuff falling down. My family did, and so
my brother and my dad came running in there. I
was like, oh my gosh, what happened? Are you okay?
And I was like I don't, I don't know the TV,
it just it like the stands collapsed on itself, and
it just didn't make sense as to how. And they
were like, well, was it already cracked right here before?
Blah blah blah, And we couldn't figure out how because
I was like, no, wasn't cracked.
Speaker 1: So what type of birds were crashing into these windows?
Speaker 2: It was, uh, like a robin's or like the typical
like little brown birds.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if they were like the typical blackbirds
of most people.
Speaker 2: I saw some blackbirds hit the window. It was like
all birds.
Speaker 1: We had a random bird hit the window yesterday. I
think it was yesterday. It didn't die, but like I
seen it like bump into the window. Because we have
the bushes out front, so when we have birds hit,
I don't think a whole lot about it. But I've
seen it was last week actually as a week ago today,
there was a large black bird just out by the driveway.
And I don't know if it was a crow or
a raven or what, but it's a very It wasn't
the typical, It wasn't a buzzard. It was an all
black bird. We had little blackbirds out here like typical
bird side, but this thing was very big for a blackbird,
and I've never seen one that large. I here what
it would have been. It could have been like a
I don't know how big crows or ravens are, like
how big.
Speaker 2: The difference of them are, but they could I think
they're barely big by like I don't really know either.
It was just like the normal birds I would see
out in the yard, because we would have like those
little brown ones, we'd have robins and like these darker
almost little black ones, and it was a lot of
the time it was robin's or the black ones. You know,
I never really paid much attention because you know, they
just whacked the window real.
Speaker 1: Fast, and did they die or they just slam them
to A.
Speaker 2: Couple of them did, and one of them was a
robin and one of them was a blackbird. But other
than that, I did I didn't see that they didn't die,
but they would leave like the oil wing marks.
Speaker 1: But since you moved there, you never had anything else.
Speaker 2: Really, I have never had any other experience like that
since moving out.
Speaker 1: So it's all kind of located with the house. Do
you know the house is still there?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it's still there. I actually drive by it
almost every day recently, just don't my route to work?
Speaker 1: Do you ever stop? I want to stop and ask
the people if they've ever had anything were to happen
to them.
Speaker 2: I want to so bad, but again I don't want
to look crazy.
Speaker 1: There is a I mentioned this one I was talking
with Easton. There was a town. It was not too
far from one of my jobs was, and the town
itself had a lot I got messages from multiple people
about this area. So I wanted to go to the
town and I went to the gas station or the
Casey's gas station, and I wanted to go in there
and ask them about the watcher because I was like,
the cryptid thing that was supposedly going on, and there's
people was supposedly out in the cornfields with mask. I
went to the gas station. I went into the ass station,
and I never asked because I didn't want to be
that crazy person that went in there and be like, Hey,
do you know you got a monster out here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people tend to look funny when you start asking
stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I posted out when I went in and just
got whatever it was. I was getting a drink and
I just drove on back to work. I was like man,
I just couldn't do it. The people there was people online.
It was like, I don't want to be this weirdo.
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I could ask those people that
live there, but I'm also scared to go there. I
don't want it, like I don't know, maybe latching onto me.
I'm just always worried about that, Like I don't want
to go to hunted places, and like what if it
latches onto me or especially this place because I live.
Speaker 1: Make up an email address. Here's some advice for me
for anyone listening. Make up an email address and write
a letter and then drop it off into a post
office like mailer and mailer without a return address, and
in the letter give an email address so they can
respond back to you that way.
Speaker 2: That's actually a really good idea.
Speaker 1: If they have a way of communicating, they can respond
back by email, or they're just going to think there's
some real crazy person. But say you just don't want
to seem like a random crazy person, but I'm writing
you a letter that makes it even look like a
crazy person. But that would be the best. That way,
they don't know who you are and you don't have
to know them. This keeps the inn an enmity or
whatever the proper term is.
Speaker 2: But that's actually a really good idea and I just
might do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully they don't listen to the show.
Speaker 2: We'll follow up on.
Speaker 1: I'll give an update. I'll do a special update for
this episode if there's been any updates from that. Is
there anything else you would like to discuss?
Speaker 2: That's pretty much. I mean, there was always oddball stuff
here and there that's escaped to my mind at this
point because I was over ten years ago, right, But
that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: Well, we can probably wrap this up, but.
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you, Yeah, thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1: Definitely I enjoy what I do and I'm glad people
give me the opportunity to allow them to come on
here and share things about their life that they normally
don't get a chance to talk about. But we're gonna
go ahead and wrap this one up. So for everyone listening,
thanks for doing that. Appreciate you guys. It has been
exactly two years since this whole thing started. Today is
the two year anniversary, So say thanks to Ariel coming
in here tonight and talking with me. It's been a pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Mind in history.
Speaker 4: They don't want us to know the secrets that hide
since they will show JNNA society thank you for s
and change, but said its time to break the reins.
Speaker 1: Yeah,