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Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

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of there.

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Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them.

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Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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that turned me.

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Speaker 3: Away the quickest.

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Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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the most, where the eyes were going red. I see

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an orb of light. It is just circling these steps

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like it is waiting for me.

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Speaker 4: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven

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foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's

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where I saw the top of the muzzle nose and

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the eyes.

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Speaker 3: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.

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I don't like death.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Tonight,

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we're going to be joined by my guest, Ariel. Ariel

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had some experiences growing up in a house that she

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believes was possessed by some sort of demonic presence. There's

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a lot of weird stuff going on that affected her

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and her family. Before we bring her on, though, if

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I've known Ariel for a few years, so definitely looking

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forward to sending down talking with her. I hope you

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guys enjoy the conversation, so sit back, relax, and enjoy

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the show. I'd like to take this time to welcome

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my guest in studio with me tonight. Ariel, thanks for

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coming in here and talking with me tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little

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bit about yourself?

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Speaker 2: So I pretty much grew up, you know, same state,

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same town, had some really weird experiences, and just gonna

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ramble about some of those.

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Speaker 1: We've known each other for a few years outside of

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this podcast. Your fiance is one of my best friends.

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my barn, the rabbit hole or whatever I decided to

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end up calling it and record with me in person.

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Speaker 2: It's very cool.

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Speaker 1: You are the third person to get to the recording here,

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so I've got a few other people wanting to but

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so I'm trying to do it on a weekend, and

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usually the weekends are busy for me too, so.

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Speaker 2: Right, but.

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Speaker 1: No, if you want to dive on into what you're

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wanting to talk about, we can get right on into it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Well, uh so, I have a twin brother and

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me and him are really close. So when we were

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about twelve, we went with my mom to look at

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this new house we were about to move into and

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got it from her cousin who was in the military.

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super sunny, all that windows a lot a lot of

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windows in this house, so it looked all bright and nice.

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like a heaviness that I have not felt before. It

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was almost like impending doom. And so, you know, I

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was exploring the house while they were off also exploring

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the house doing whatever, and I walked upstairs. It was

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a two level house, and instantly it just got worse

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that feeling dead. So I was like, okay, it's really weird,

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and we moved in. You know, everything was fine for

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like a couple months, and one night, me and my

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brother and one of our friends we grew up with,

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like we used to love those like lightsabers that actually

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lit up and stuff. So we had all the lights

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off in the house downstairs and was just playing around,

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acting like Jedis and whatnot. And we all got to

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a point where you just kind of like took a

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break and was looking around and in the dark, and

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we just all saw like a figure walk from the

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dining room into the kitchen and disappear, and we all

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just like were quiet, and then all of a sudden,

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all the dishes and the sink flew out, and so

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we ran upstairs to our parents room and was like

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we just saw something and all the dishes crashed in

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the kitchen. They're like, oh, you guys are just you

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were just playing too rough and you like shook the

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kitchen or something. And we were like, okay, that's really

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not what happened.

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Speaker 1: But all right, what did it look like? If you

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could define the shape too.

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Speaker 2: Humanoid for sure, Like it had like a human hype

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shape to it. It was like gray just stood out

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from the blackness as all.

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and say, sometimes people see things and they either have

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different shapes to themselves or if you can tell like

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or it's just a silo it of a person.

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defining features. Really, it was weird. So but that was

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like the first weird experience, and just from there on

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we always felt like we were being watched and we'd

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hear it sounded like someone was walking around downstairs all

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the time, because everybody's bedrooms were upstairs and downstairs it

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like two dining rooms essentially, and like a bathroom under

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the stairway and then a kitchen and like it. It

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our parents never like seemed to take any notice to it.

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older sister also still living at home, and none of

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us really like talked about it till after the fact,

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after we had moved out, like ten years later. I

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guess they had all had experiences too.

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Speaker 1: How old were you We soon moved in twelve.

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Speaker 2: You were twelve, and my older brother he's eight years

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older than me, and then my older sister is eleven

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years older than me. So you know, we all had

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like different experiences and they're at different times. And I

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guess my sister for a little while, she had moved

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out and then had to move back in, but there

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wasn't any more room for her because me and my

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twin would share a bedroom. After she moved out, I

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got my own bedroom, which is her old bedroom. So

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she had slept in the second dining room essentially like

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we had cleared it out, made it kind of like

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a little room. And she said at night she felt

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like it sounded like someone was well she felt someone

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tugging on her blanket and then heard someone like walking around,

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so she thought it was like one of us trying

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to mess with her. It wasn't, obviously, and uh, she

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said she started getting really creeped out about it because

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then she would like anticipate it to happen and there

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would be like nothing all she did, or just feel

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the blanket like get tugged. So, I mean, there's just

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a lot of weird stuff at the time that we

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didn't really talk about. It was just kind of like, okay,

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that happened.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever wonder why no one ever brings it up.

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It's a very common trait between people to where they

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experience weird stuff, but for some reason, no one ever

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wants to talk about it. Like people will have an experience,

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like they see something at the same exact time, and

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they will sit in silence and not bring it up

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until after after so long because no one knows how

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to react to it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's harshly like denial, and then also like, well,

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what if I'm crazy? Everybody wonders if they're crazy. That

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was definitely my fear is like, oh, I don't want

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them to thinking I'm making it up or imagining it

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or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Or it takes the one person to be brave enough

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to bring it up to yeah, kick it off for

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everyone else to say things when it comes to paranormal

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activity or anything like that. Like for me, it's hard

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to take everything one hundred percent, just because I think

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there's a lot of things when it comes to paranormal

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stuff that could be explained by something else. But like

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if you're seeing an actual shadow person basically and the

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dishes flying to go along with it, Like if there's

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more than just you in there. That would be the

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first red flag for everyone else in the family to

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start talking about it to me, because like, you'all just

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seen some shit happen, right, So it's like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me and my brother, my twin brother, I mean,

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we would talk about it sometimes, but we were dealing

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with a whole bunch of other stuff that that just

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wasn't priority. You know, my so just briefly, you know,

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my mom was schizophrenic, so you know, she's abusive and

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had weird delusions and stuff. So we're just dealing with

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a whole bunch of other crap, and none of us

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really talked about that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So until later without going down that pathway, is it

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because you're if you talked about it, were you afraid

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it would be almost like your like your mom. Yeah,

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that's what we were, all people schizophrenic too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were all that makes sense. Yeah, and my

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older brother, you know, he he struggles with drug addiction,

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so he never really brought anything up either until way later.

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on that we never was like, oh, hey, I saw

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this happen, did you, and just kept to ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Was there anything else that happened as I wouldn't say violent,

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but as chaotic as the classes dishes being tossed around.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So I'm Christian, you know, I believe in

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God and all that, and people like demons and stuff.

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So it happens. One night, me and my dad were

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at my grandma's house talking about this crazy story she

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had experienced with, you know, a demon in her place

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and having to do certain things to get rid of it.

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And this pastor had told her, you know, if it

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shows itself or you know, like starts making noises and

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stuff like it was, you know, say in the name

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of Jesus Christ, leave this house like three times and

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it should make it go away. So I was like, oh,

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that's creepy. And it so happens that night when I

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got home. You know, I had fallen asleep and I

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had woke up because I had a little pomerine and

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that always slept on my bed and we had wood

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floors in the room, and he was just rowling at

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this one corner of my room and it looked like

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he was slowly like getting scooted back from it. And

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I was like, am I dreaming right now? Like what

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is going on. So I sit there and I'm watching him,

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and he keeps getting slid back, but he's like angry,

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growling and barking at the corner of my room. So

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I get freaked out and I start saying that stuff,

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you know, in the name of Jesus Christ, leave this

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place and blah blah blah, and it stops. The dog,

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you know, relaxes and just comes and hops up on

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my bed like nothing even happened. So I was like, uh, well,

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I'm not going to sleep the rest of the night.

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and he was like, I always feel like there is

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something in the corner of my room watching me. I've

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never seen a shape again like we did the first time,

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but He's like, I always feel like it's here.

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Speaker 1: I was like, me too, Yeah, there is. And I

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forget exactly when this was, but there was something back

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in I think it was Vietnam when they did the

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first vision like night vision stuff maybe ever heard. Basically,

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they were using infrared, but everything was instead of a

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green look or a white look, everything was in red.

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The story goes that when they were testing them out,

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people were freaking out because they could see things flying around,

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and they were calling them demons or other things because

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they were picking up things that we can't normally see

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with our naked eye because we can only see in

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certain color patterns. Been like infrared, you can see with

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certain aspect like well, it's full spectrums. They are entities

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or beans or whatever that's supposed as they live within

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these things that we can't normally see, so they're supposedly

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always around us anyways, which is creepy to think about.

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Speaker 2: I one believe that because in any other house I

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lived in, I never felt what I did living in

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this house that I'm talking about now, you know, like

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I said, the first day, I just I felt like

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in pending doom, and like just I knew there was

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just bad things to come and that just so happens.

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I was also like the peak of my mom's episodes

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and the abuse and all that other stuff. So yeah,

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just I feel like that kind of contributed to it,

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because we would catch her in our room like talking

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to herself, and we thought it was like just her

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being weird and crazy. But one day she had stopped

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one of our friends that was hanging out. Nobody else

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was in the house. We were all walking out the

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door to go somewhere, and he was like the last

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one out the door besides her, but I guess she

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had stopped him and was like, hey, they don't believe me,

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but there's evil upstairs. And he was he didn't know

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what to do with that information. He didn't know that

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we were seeing crap there. So he was like okay,

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And you know, he had told my brother, and my

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brother told me, and I was like, oh, so mom

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sees it too. You know, maybe we're not completely crazy.

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Speaker 1: So far as some of the things that went on

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in the house, Like did you ever see anything else

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again far as like shape wise or is it more

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or less just that one time for the shadow?

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Speaker 2: I saw a pair of red eyes one time. So

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we also in our second dining room, which we really

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used as like our computer area, we had like these

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I don't know what you call them, like the double

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patio doors, and we didn't have like curtains over him

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or anything. And one night I was just like walking

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through there talking to my older sister on the phone

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because she wasn't there. She had moved out by that point,

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and I walked by the door and there's just a

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pair of red freaking eyes staring through the glass like

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at eye level. And I was like what, And I screamed,

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dropped the phone and ran and told my dad because

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he was in the living room just right next to

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the computer room there, and he went and looked and

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he's like, I don't see anything. It must have been

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a coyote. And I was like, but Dad, that had

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to have been a tall coyote. He's like, but you

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were also like four or eleven. So I didn't really

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buy that story because to me, it just didn't make

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sense for it to be. I never heard of a

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coyote having red eyes, no, being that tall. And it's

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I didn't even see like a figure with it.

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Speaker 1: I just saw it.

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Speaker 2: It was on our patio through the double patio door.

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It's like the height wise like oh, like eye level

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with me.

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Speaker 1: And you were standing. There have been no way to

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be a coyote.

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Speaker 2: No. I also kind of think my dad is in

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denial about some stuff. He's still never said much about

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that house.

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Speaker 1: So for me, when like when you see eyes reflecting

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at that high level, like it doesn't coyote's eyes also

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wouldn't be reflecting red.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I none of that like I said, makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Most eyes shine from an animal, it's typically like a

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white to a yellow e type of color. You don't

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really see red.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or like sometimes I'll see green on like pear

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housers something. But yeah, that just didn't make sense to me.

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So I was like, Okay, whatever, I guess I'm just

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gonna try to forget about that.

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Speaker 1: The red eye think, for some reason is weird. But

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it's related to like big foot type stuff, which I

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think is also stranger when people say they see big

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foots that they're eyes are glueling red, which as a primate,

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and I don't know, I'm not an expert, but you

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wouldn't think like our eyes don't reflect. Now, they reflect

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red if you take a photo, but like if you

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have headlights shine and your eyes don't reflect like an animal.

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So I've always thought that was strange.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, well that was definitely a weird situation.

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I picked the phone back up and my sister was like,

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oh my god, are you okay? What happened? And I

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was like, I guess I just saw a coyote and

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just went on acting like that did not happen.

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Speaker 1: No for me, I wouldn't if I saw red eyes

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looking at me. Me being myself, I'd probably just go

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and look to see what it was because I'm stupid

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like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, well not me. It still gives me goosebumps

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thinking about that, because I mean nothing about that was

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like obviously not human, not animal, just I felt.

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Speaker 1: But at least it was outside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, well least it's not in the

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house that I saw it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's weird when it comes to certain aspects to

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when it comes to things like this, because if you

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see something outside while it's outside, so it's not actually

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in there with you.

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Speaker 2: And this was after that incident with my little Pomeranian too.

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Maybe at that point maybe couldn't get in or something.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people say that these things have to

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be invited in, right, And it didn't matter that you

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guys moved into it after the fact, like it was

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already there, because at that point it was letting you

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know when you first moved in, this is my place.

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That's why the stuff got thrown off the table or

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off the dishes were tossed and you saw it or

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whatever that was. It's letting you know that it's here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of the feeling that I got is

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just like I shouldn't be here, just hatred and evil

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and penning doom, all of the negativity. Yeah, I've never

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felt that at any other house before or after, So

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I mean it, it's just weird.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people like that. They're out the word

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demons because that is what is popular these days. I

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don't want to say everything's demons. There are certain things

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out there that people call demons that on a technicality

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basis as demons, but now people think that alien activity

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is demons. So I don't like to go down that

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pathway of saying everything as a demon, right, But if

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there's an over a bearing feeling of like just pure

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evil and hatred and everything else, like there's either something

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very traumatic happen there that has put this energy to

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manifest itself in there and it won't let go of it,

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or it could be something demonic, like I don't.

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Speaker 2: I kind of you know, obviously, like you said, lots

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of people like to go towards the demonic thing. But

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I've always been into like, oh, I wonder if there's

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like cryptids or you know, aliens, and not just because

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of my religious upbringing, but just I don't know the

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way everything happened, what I would feel. It felt, you know, spiritual,

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like a demon. And you know, there's that story my

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grandma was talking about with my older cousin, you know,

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her son's son. I guess his mom, when she was

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pregnant with him, had went to like some sort of

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palm reader because she was having nightmares that something bad

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was gonna happen with her kid, and so she went

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to a palm reader. And I guess this palm reader

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said some along the lines of, you know, there's gonna

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be evil around when your son is born, and there's

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gonna be the specific song that plays in the hospital

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and stead of what they normally play, and if you

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hear that, that's how you know the evil will be around,

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and lo and behold. Months later, when he was born,

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she heard that song in the hospital and started freaking out.

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My uncle didn't believe any of it, so he says, but, uh,

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my grandma was over visiting seeing the new baby and everything,

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and you know, the mom was in the bathroom getting ready,

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and my grandma and my uncle were in the room,

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you know, looking at the baby and stuff, and he

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had got called in the bathroom and he went in there,

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and so it's just my grandma and my cousin and

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she said, you know, there's no noise playing anywhere, no radios,

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no TVs. The TV was on, but it was muted,

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and she said, all of a sudden, she started hearing

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a beautiful man's voice singing. Oh. I can't remember the

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name of the song, but she just started hearing a

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beautiful man's voice singing. And so she looked up at

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the TV and she's like, nope, not the TV. And

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so she called out, she was like, hey, you know,

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is that you singing? And he comes to the living room.

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He's like, what are you talking about? My uncle did,

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and she was like, well, I just heard a beautiful

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man's voice singing. Wasn't that you. He goes, Nope, don't

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tell Jennifer that. You know, she's already freaking out because

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this this and that, you know, with the poem reader

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and what she said to her, and Grandma's like, oh,

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well that's really weird. So I kind of freaked her out.

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And I guess when she went home that night. She

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she lived by herself and it was just in a

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little apartment and the bedroom. She had two bedrooms upstairs

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and that was it. And I guess she had heard

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a deep growl in her spare bedroom and so she

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was freaked out, kind of thinking, well, maybe it's a robber.

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I think she was just in denial or something, you know,

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trying to excuse it for anything else. And so she

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went up, was looking around, you know, getting ready to

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like cap the fight she had to saw nothing nowhere.

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So she called her sister to talk about it, and

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her sister called a family member that was a priest,

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and you know, eventually he talked to my grandma and

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was like, that sounds like a demonic spirit. This after

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you know, his son, your your son's son because it

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was his firstborn. And so ever since then, you know,

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she said she's had to keep a Bible next to

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her bed and say some prayer and she feels anything's

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weird in there, you know, say in the name of

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Jesus Christ, leave this house. And kind of seems like

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that's been a thing on my side of the family's

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firstborn son is always you know, trying to get its

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soul taken or something.

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Speaker 1: What was the song that the palm raider told your

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aunt or wherever it would have been.

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Speaker 2: I don't think my brain keeps wanting to say a hush,

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a little baby, but I don't think that was it.

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I wish I could remember right now, but something that

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wasn't normal to be played because I guess when someone

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has a baby, or back then when they had a baby,

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they'd play a song and everybody know a baby was

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born or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about something like that. When it

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comes to palm readers or fortune tellers or anything like

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that in general, I'm always skeptical just because I feel

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like a lot of them are drifting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really believe in that kind of.

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Speaker 1: I think people have psychic abilities to an extent, and

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like they're more in tune with like what goes on

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than the average person. I think there's a lot of

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parts of our brain that we all can have that

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ability to which just don't know how to tap into it.

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But when it comes to people saying they can predict

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the future, they're going to tell you your future, and

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how why are all these people not winning the.

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Speaker 2: Lottery right exactly? Like, I definitely think that there are

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people out there that can, you know, tap into those abilities,

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but I think most of them are just you know,

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trying to play you or something.

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Speaker 1: I always bring up when I've talked a few psychics before,

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but I always bring up the thing from the nineties

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because that's just what I remember, is like miss Cleo,

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they call me now for your free reading stuff, like

477
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I just remember those late night commercials and miss Cleo.

478
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is just from when I heard

479
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,559
that story the one time. My grandma doesn't like to

480
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:06,839
talk about it, and this was way back when I

481
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,039
still lived in this creepy house that I heard that,

482
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:16,519
and it definitely seems like my brother, you know, he

483
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,200
was really going through some stuff. It was my dad's

484
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,599
firstborn son, so only son really, because my older brother

485
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,559
is from a different guy. So yeah, it just kind

486
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:35,240
of seems like a thing in my family on that side,

487
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,480
that they're always going through something weird and crazy, like spiritual.

488
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,599
I guess like my brother, yeah, he thinks that, like

489
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,759
sometimes he's followed by something like that. He said he

490
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:55,440
was at a friend's house and they were talking about, oh,

491
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,480
since you've been staying here, like we've heard weird stuff

492
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:03,200
and like stuff getting moved around. And I guess my

493
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,880
brother had woke up with like three scratch marks on him,

494
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,839
like deep ones, and it freaked him out. He won't

495
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:09,039
hardly tell me any deeper.

496
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: Really.

497
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even remember what he said. If it

498
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,920
was on his arm or his leg or his back.

499
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,599
It was one of those spots. But he only told

500
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,319
me once and he said, I don't want to talk

501
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:23,400
about it. It's really creepy.

502
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,079
Speaker 1: Is this your older brother or your twin my twin brother. Okay, Yeah,

503
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:36,960
the three is very I've done all that here, which

504
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,400
I think you guys know, like when we first moved in. Yeah,

505
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,279
the three is always referred to as mocking of the

506
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:50,680
Holy Trinity. So when there's three scratch marks I have

507
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,400
learned from other people or from things I've read, which

508
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,599
it could be one hundred percent not true, who knows,

509
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,799
but usually it is referred to as something mocking the

510
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,640
Holy Trinity.

511
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that too. I there's just a whole

512
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:15,440
lot of weird stuff. Now I'm open to believing it's whatever,

513
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,799
But this, like I said, just to me, it feels

514
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,880
more spiritual, like demonic.

515
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,119
Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like when you were there that

516
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,319
you were ever like a heaviness to yourself, like oh yeah,

517
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,839
like your energy was I almost say, like being drained,

518
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,880
but like something like just very heavy in the air,

519
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,319
like draining to an extent.

520
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now I felt I don't know, I just felt

521
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
horrible being at home, and it seemed like when I

522
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,359
would go out and hang out with some friends, I

523
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,440
felt way better, and as soon as I go back home,

524
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:02,720
I felt even more depressed. I felt like exhausted all

525
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,359
the time, just like I was being watched all the time,

526
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,319
like I was walking on eggshells all the time. Uh,

527
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,079
just weird, weird feeling. There was always like I had

528
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:22,039
two windows in my room as well, and birds constantly

529
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,200
only in my room would whack into my window all

530
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,240
the time for no apparent reason. I mean, I just

531
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,200
felt like I was kind of targeted.

532
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,279
Speaker 1: Like something I was just drawing towards it. That is strange.

533
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is.

534
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,279
Speaker 1: Did you ever notice a lot of flies?

535
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh huh, especially well in my room, a

536
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:51,799
ton of them around the window sills. But then also

537
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,119
weirdly enough, in this like sun room we had back

538
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,640
next to the kitchen is also where it was like

539
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,680
and I mean this thing wasn't like, it wasn't open,

540
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:09,359
it wasn't an open sunroom and it was completely enclosed sunroom,

541
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:13,680
and I don't know. We also got really weird vibes

542
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,519
back there too. Josh my twin, he would not He

543
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,839
did not like hanging out there at night by himself.

544
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:21,960
He always wanted me or like a friend or something

545
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,519
to be out there with him. And that's where we

546
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:27,039
kept a lot of like our guitars and stuff, and

547
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,119
Drum said at one point, so that was the main

548
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,000
hangout area, and he did not like to be there

549
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:35,200
at night by himself.

550
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Did I tell you about the recent fly incident. No,

551
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,480
it was right before I came out to hear, which

552
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,599
is part of the reason why I wanted to get

553
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,039
out of the house. This was back in June, but

554
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,119
this whole desk, I was down here editing, and I

555
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,799
had to go out to the chickens and put them up.

556
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,559
So from going to the basement to the chicken back

557
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,599
in here is a total of five minutes. So I

558
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,160
come back here and there the fly, and then there's

559
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,319
another dead fly. And I'm pretty sure I think I

560
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:11,759
still have them in the garage. I need to bring

561
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,039
them out here to get them out of the house.

562
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,880
But I have about twenty seven dead flies that are

563
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,920
across my desk in a five minute spans. They were

564
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,200
not here because I was down here messing with stuff.

565
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,759
They were not on my desk, but they are all green,

566
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:33,559
metallic green, and they were. I put them all in

567
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:35,319
this little cup and I put a lim and I

568
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,359
brow them out to the garage and that's where they

569
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:39,640
were staying at.

570
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know what's up with the fly thing.

571
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,440
I've never really heard like an explanation for that, but

572
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,960
I just know it kind of goes hand in hand

573
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,759
with like like evil spirit.

574
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: And they were for mine. They were literally only on

575
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:03,480
this day. They were nowhere else, only on my desk.

576
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,640
So the entire basement I only found them on my desk.

577
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're being targeted.

578
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,799
Speaker 1: And that was literally two months ago.

579
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:21,039
Speaker 2: You Well, yeah, I would. From what I can remember,

580
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,400
it was mostly like the most accumumulation that I remember

581
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,119
is on my windowsills up there. And I don't think

582
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,759
my twin brother had that or my older brother. I

583
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,279
don't think my parents windows had that. I remember my

584
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:41,480
dad he would come in my room sometimes and just

585
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,720
you know, we'd be chit chatting and he'd be like, here,

586
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,599
you need to clean your windows. You like, never clean

587
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,240
your window sills. You always got dead bugs over here.

588
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,200
I clean it. I don't know why they how they

589
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,480
keep showing up, or I don't know where they're getting it.

590
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,559
Speaker 1: At, or when I looked online for the green ones,

591
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:04,079
they're basically staying there or attracted to something rotting. So

592
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:08,840
usually it's a dead animal or something. I didn't have

593
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,440
anything dead, But a lot of people will write off

594
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,719
all windows sill flies are coming in because it's warmer

595
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,599
and they get trapped, or a lot of people look

596
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,000
for the explanations to certain things. But like if you

597
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,960
start to look into a lot of these weird occurrences,

598
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:27,760
flies for some strange reason are very prevalent in a

599
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,000
lot of the details. Like even I'm pretty sure the

600
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:35,559
old horror movie of the Amity built, Oh yeah, there

601
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,840
were slies in on their windows at some point too,

602
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,719
because I think that was part of the Delfio's story

603
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,320
or the whatever the people's not, but the the ones

604
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,599
that ended up taking over the house.

605
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: I don't remember what color these flies were. I think

606
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,360
it was. I think I think I saw like regular

607
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,639
black ones. I think I saw green ones too. At

608
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:04,280
some it just and the house did smell like sulfur,

609
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,360
like really bad. We did have well water, so that

610
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,239
could have been it, but it seemed like it would

611
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,320
be in places where we had like not a sink

612
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,599
or stuff like that. So it just seemed like the

613
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:20,880
whole entire house smelled like it all the time.

614
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: Well, was it an older house?

615
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this was an old house. I don't know

616
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,719
the year, but I was old.

617
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: Is it in town or was it outside of town?

618
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: Right on the edge of town. It's on Boulevard East

619
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,320
one South.

620
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:39,039
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's kind of on the outskirts. Basically, you said, oh, well,

621
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:50,239
I'm trying to think like, for me, the land themself

622
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:56,119
airy something I don't want to say like residual hauntings

623
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:59,000
or anything like that. But look at the area that

624
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:01,519
we're we live in. This whole area was like Native

625
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:07,079
American lands at one point or another. And that actually

626
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,239
who knows what those things were built on top of?

627
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:17,559
Speaker 2: Right, That actually goes into another experience I had. So, uh,

628
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,760
you know, we didn't at first. We didn't grow up

629
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,360
super religious. I mean we would go to church every

630
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,559
now and then, but there was a point where my

631
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,239
parents wanted to start sending us to a Christian school

632
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:40,199
after we had moved on to Boulevard, and you know,

633
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,760
we had been going there for a little bit and

634
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,079
I had a dream, a really really weird dream, and

635
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:51,320
I like it almost felt real while it was happening.

636
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,679
And you know, I woke up in the house by myself.

637
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,360
It was dark, and I looked out the windows and

638
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,199
everything was like red and just red and black outside,

639
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,320
and I'm like, Okay, where is everybody at? So I'm

640
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,679
looking around and I get that feeling of impending doom

641
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,840
and all that, and I'm looking out the windows and

642
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:20,840
finally I see movement and I'm just seeing dead Indians

643
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,880
coming out of the ground in my dream and trying

644
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,519
to get into the house, but they can't get in,

645
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,559
and I'm like, where is everybody? And it's like the

646
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,440
whole time, I'm trying to keep things from getting in

647
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,840
the house, trying to find my family. And I wake

648
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,599
up and that was that one just stuck with me.

649
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a weird dream to.

650
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: And it.

651
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very the memory of it or whatever, very

652
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,519
problem because I don't want to say that's one hundred

653
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,880
percent ties in. Like I said, I don't say anything

654
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,079
because I don't know anything, but I think a lot

655
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,840
of the stuff, at least around here has something to

656
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,599
do with Native American lands, just because this used to

657
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:11,679
be in their land and we came and basically took

658
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,480
it from them and build our places on them. And

659
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,920
here we are. So who knows what happened here hundreds

660
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,760
of years ago.

661
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: Right, And I guess Kokomo was actually named after an

662
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,079
Indian chief in that area. His name is Chief Kokomoco,

663
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,039
is what my aunt had told me at one point.

664
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,119
So I mean, yeah, who knows what that house was

665
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,159
even built on. But it seems like, after you know,

666
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,320
we started going to that Christian school, I kept having

667
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,440
weird dreams like that. I even had a dream where,

668
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,960
you know, I woke up in the house by myself

669
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,880
again trying to find people, and it's red outside, and

670
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,360
I go to look in our backyard, and our backyard

671
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,280
we had six acres. We were on six acres of

672
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,840
land total, so we had a really big backyard and

673
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,480
there was a fenced part and then the rest of

674
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,920
it was unfenced, and you know, we had apple trees

675
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,519
and other stuff like that out there. So I look

676
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,039
outside and it seems like way in the back, I

677
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:16,239
can see someone's standing out there, so I'm like, I'm

678
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,119
gonna go see if that's like mom or Dad or

679
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,000
one of my siblings. And I walk out there and

680
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:27,119
then I just randomly see a Before I get to

681
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,199
that figure, I see another figure on a swing set

682
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:33,519
that we didn't even have swinging, and so I go

683
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,639
up to her and she looks at me and she

684
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,599
has no face and she just points over at the

685
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,960
figure that I'm seeing, and I'm like, okay, well, I'll

686
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,440
just go check that out. That's weird. And I go

687
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,920
up to it and it's my mom. I can like

688
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,400
from behind, it's my mom, and she's looking down and

689
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,079
there's a big crack in the ground that's representing hell.

690
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,920
There's like fire, and I can hear scream and crackling,

691
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,639
and she's just staring at it. And I look up

692
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:10,679
at her and her head severed and then it falls

693
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,760
off and right in front of me, and it's from

694
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,559
my mom's face looking at me, and then her body

695
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:20,159
falls in and so I wake up and I'm like,

696
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,559
what even was that? I kept feeling like maybe I

697
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,199
was being like threatened, like your whole family's gonna burn

698
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,440
or something or you know, if you don't if you

699
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,239
don't leave type of thing. I don't know. I had

700
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,639
a lot of weird dreams around that point especially.

701
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:47,679
Speaker 1: And that is a very graphic dream. Yeah, well, knowing

702
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,920
some of the things I know from just talking outside

703
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,519
of this, to me, it almost seems like that dream

704
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:59,840
is I don't know how to say it without someding

705
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,199
like cliche or whatever, but like you cut the head

706
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,039
off the snake, and from everything that we've talked about before,

707
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:10,719
like the problems with your mom and everything else, like

708
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,480
maybe it wasn't so much a dream in the sense

709
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,239
of it's evil, but it's almost like a dream kind

710
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,079
of telling you what's going on.

711
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also have thought of maybe that explanation, like

712
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:35,400
maybe it's saying, hey, you know, because my mom's thing

713
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,440
was to blame us for like literally everything. We didn't

714
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,960
understand mental health back then. You know, my dad didn't

715
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,280
talk about it, he was gone at work all the time.

716
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,440
We just didn't understand mental health. So I feel like

717
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,920
maybe that was kind of it say you know, you're

718
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,159
not the problem, your mom is the problem, or you're

719
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,280
you know, she's.

720
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: Maybe it's subconsciously you know this And that was your

721
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,639
mind's way of telling you, like, it's not you.

722
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've thought of a million different things

723
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,559
that that could have meant, and I just don't know. Yeah,

724
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:13,719
it just really crazy like experiences going on. You know,

725
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,360
at that time, I didn't really know how to process anything.

726
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: Now, before you guys moved here, was there ever any

727
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:27,920
weird activity that you're aware of prior at the house,

728
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,639
just in your family in general, like from the previous

729
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:36,000
place you lived or whatever, Because sometimes these things can

730
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:39,719
attach to people, and maybe your mom was like the

731
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,159
harbinger of a lot of them.

732
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 2: Not that I can remember, not really. It just all

733
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,039
seemed to start hitting us like a freight train when

734
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:53,320
we moved into that place.

735
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: So the house itself was the catalyst for everything.

736
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,639
Speaker 2: That's what we all think, because not to.

737
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Interrupt, but like, was there a problem prior to this

738
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:04,440
with your mom before you guys moved in, or did

739
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,360
the escalate since you moved into that house?

740
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: She was always abusive, but she wasn't so mentally unstable.

741
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,760
As soon as we moved to this Boolevard house, she

742
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:25,880
snapped and was saying crazy stuff and getting even more

743
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:33,559
abusive more regularly. And it just because before you know

744
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:37,840
it was. It was bad, but not near as bad

745
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,199
as when we moved into that house.

746
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: It does sound very reminiscent of when the other people

747
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,719
have these issues or whatever, like and I don't want

748
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,519
to say she was possessed, but like maybe the negative

749
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:58,880
energies that's already there amplified what's already inside of her, Yeah,

750
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:05,440
and just manifest this whole storm of evilness.

751
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,639
Speaker 2: That's what. That's something my older sister had said, She

752
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,280
said that she thinks that's what happened, and my aunt

753
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,400
has said the same thing.

754
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,079
Speaker 1: So these things are known to take advantage of situations,

755
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:25,039
and especially the ones that are already weak. Their mom

756
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:28,719
may have been a lot more grown to this just

757
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,280
from her disability or mental disability with it, and it

758
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,159
just was just easy for her to It was easy

759
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,800
for it to just like latch onto her, and everything

760
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400
that she was doing was just being amplified because it

761
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,760
was this thing. Because these things supposedly live off the negativity,

762
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,079
they feed on the negative energy, They feed on the fear,

763
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,440
the hatred, all like that is what they're basically low vibrations.

764
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:58,920
If you talk to a lot of people, they feed

765
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,559
on low vibrations. And hateful at fearfulness, all that stuff

766
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:04,960
is like a very low vibration.

767
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom was definitely a very negative minded, hateful

768
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,840
person even before moving into this house, and you know,

769
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,760
probably because of that entity latching on to her. I

770
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,400
feel like, like you said, that just amplified everything.

771
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,639
Speaker 1: They have. Again, I don't know. I'm not saying this

772
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,239
is what happened because I don't know, but just from

773
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,400
talking with other people and the things I've read and

774
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,679
researched or looked into and watched, it seems like these

775
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,039
types of beams or whatever you want to call them,

776
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,400
this is what they do. They have a means to

777
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:52,519
latch on to the weakest person and that's how they go.

778
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,960
Like we mentioned the Amityville like it literally the guy

779
00:45:56,039 --> 00:46:00,320
that murdered his whole family and then the low is

780
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,119
that moved in afterwards, like the father, same thing they

781
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,920
were trying to like get through him. Like yeah, and

782
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,119
obviously there's that's just the most popular. So why to

783
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,719
bring that up. That's just because everyone knows what that is, right,

784
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,760
But like, there are so many other instances of where

785
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,840
this has happened, and it's very similar to where it

786
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,880
seems like these things find the one weak person and

787
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,519
then that's the person that they latch onto and they

788
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,519
use them as their means of causing trauma.

789
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, my older brother, who struggles with addiction has even

790
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,760
back then he used to you know, and he still does.

791
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,239
He says that he is followed by a demon everywhere

792
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:52,480
he goes, which he was diagnosed with like drug induced schizophrenia.

793
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,400
So it could be that. But it all kind of

794
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,440
relates back to the peak of all that crazy stuff

795
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:09,239
happening onto the boulevard house. We've you know, it's just

796
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,480
kind of hard to say, oh, that's true, or oh

797
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,679
that's just your disability.

798
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: Or.

799
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've talked with folks and I wonder if they

800
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,199
themselves aren't schizophrenic. But then you need to, like I

801
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,400
need to think about this in a different perspective than

802
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,880
the science based perspective. What if people that we say

803
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,639
have these schizophrenic disabilities or whatever. What if the things

804
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:46,639
that they are saying are seeing maybe they're actually seeing

805
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,480
that stuff. Like I understand that they're seeing it, but

806
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:51,400
like what if it's it is real?

807
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: Like what if having that disability actually opens up, Yes,

808
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,719
the part that.

809
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,159
Speaker 1: You can see stuff like the thing they say they

810
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
the demons are doing this, Like maybe they actually see

811
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:03,880
the demons that we say it's a disability because we

812
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,760
don't see them, right, But what if their mind were

813
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,760
shut off from it, like I said it was psychics earlier.

814
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,760
What if their mind actually sees these things that are there.

815
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,960
What if there they don't need those Vietnam infrared glasses

816
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,079
to see these things, like they have the ability to

817
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,119
actually see these low frequency beings.

818
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: Now, if it wouldn't have been for my own experiences

819
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:29,639
at that place, I would not have believed my mom

820
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,280
or my older brother. But knowing having my own experiences

821
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,320
when nobody was home, I feel like that could be

822
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,800
the case.

823
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: You know.

824
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,039
Speaker 2: I'm open to believing anything like that because we don't know.

825
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:50,000
We don't know one hundred anything. You know. People were like, Oh,

826
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:54,039
there's only Heaven and there's only how or there's nothing else.

827
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,639
We're the only beings in the galaxy, and it's like,

828
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:02,320
we don't know that we can explore that. Who knows.

829
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't like going down the whole religious aspects. I'm

830
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,079
not a religious person. I think there's a lot more

831
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:13,880
to it than just heaven and hell, and for the

832
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,880
most part, people always want to say good and evil

833
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,639
the Bible, the Old Testament. I don't even think they

834
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,440
really ever mentioned a devil in the Old Testament. That

835
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,679
was more of a New Testament thing. And the God

836
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:29,760
of the Old Testament was a lot more vengeful than

837
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,800
the God of the New Testament. So when it comes

838
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,840
to Christianity anything like that, I just recently found there's

839
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,719
forty thousand different denominations of Christianity, which is crazy to

840
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,239
think about that there's that many, Right, So I just

841
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,440
try and take all religious aspects and just not worry

842
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,480
about it and focus on what goes on. But like

843
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,320
for this once people say demons more or less, the

844
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,039
demons were the fallen angels or whatever you want to

845
00:49:55,039 --> 00:50:00,760
call them, they fell down, Like, just take that off base.

846
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,480
What if that is not the case, But what if

847
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,800
these things were already here? And that's what these things are.

848
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,199
We call them ghosts, we call them demons. Some people

849
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,679
call them aliens, some people call them interdimensional beings. Like

850
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,679
there's all sorts of different things they could possibly be,

851
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,199
but the fact of the matter is that they are

852
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,360
these things that just feed on us. They feed on

853
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:26,599
the energy. Some people call them suckubists some people call them.

854
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,519
It's all the same thing, like they are, we are

855
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,440
basically here and all the negativity that goes on in

856
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:39,960
the world, look at look at social media as that's

857
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,079
all you need to look at. Like, right, we hear

858
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,159
their food source and we one hundred percent make it

859
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:46,199
easy for them. But is that by design?

860
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, I am you know, I I always say that,

861
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,679
you know, I'm a Christian. I believe in God, but

862
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:01,000
I also feel like I don't always agree with Christianity it.

863
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:08,320
You know, I I'm open to believing a lot because

864
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:14,079
I am also aware that there's more to it. There's

865
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,159
more to this world than what even Christianity says or

866
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:21,360
what this religion says or that religion says. And I

867
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,079
just kind of go off of my own experiences and

868
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,440
now I'm just pretty much open.

869
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: To I don't follow anyone for having beliefs like a religion,

870
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:39,280
but for me, I feel like religion boxes you in. Yeah,

871
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,079
and a lot of the ways that religions are set up,

872
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,079
they're set up to control people. You have to believe

873
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,519
this way and this is the only way.

874
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, there are tons of horror, like religious horror,

875
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:59,159
stories like we're like conversion camps, you know, being you know,

876
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:02,599
like in the same gender. You know, that's a sin,

877
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,840
and so we're going to send you to a conversion

878
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,360
camp and torture you. That good.

879
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cults based off religions too, because

880
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,159
people claim they talk to God, and because they could

881
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:15,800
talk to God, that means you have to listen to

882
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,519
what I tell you because God says you have to

883
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:19,480
do this because God told me, and then people believe

884
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:20,119
that shit, right.

885
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: It's like, but where's the evidence?

886
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: They don't question that, You don't question the person because

887
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,039
he is, you're questioning God like it is. I don't

888
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:30,800
want to say it's easy, Like if people are so

889
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:41,239
easily manipulated by a charismatic person, the cult leader, it's

890
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,280
almost like anyone that goes down that pathway can be

891
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,320
easily persuaded because once you start believing in them what

892
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,360
this person in charge is telling you, how far are

893
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,880
they going to push it to where they're like, well,

894
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,840
God says you have to do this now, right, and

895
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,880
who are you to question God? And they could throw

896
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,800
that out there and for anyone listening. I'm not explaining

897
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,199
to people how to become a cult leader. But I'm

898
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,559
just trying to say, like it's very prevalent in most

899
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,760
cults that there's always the one leader, and he's always

900
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,960
I say he, but it typically seems to be most men.

901
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:21,639
They're other cult leaders. But and they have this way

902
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:25,039
of manipulating people and it's all done in the name

903
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:25,920
of God.

904
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:29,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. And there's just a lot of people

905
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:33,719
I think that are either too lazy to question or

906
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,360
they just don't have that ability to question, so they're

907
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,599
more of a follower.

908
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,039
Speaker 1: Some of them are bred into it in the sense

909
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,679
like they've been brought up into the whole cult themselves,

910
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,880
so they don't even know what they're questioning because this

911
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:48,519
is all they know.

912
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: It's normal to them. Yeah, I think it's crazy, like

913
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,239
you said, just how easily someone could just do that

914
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,159
and people will just.

915
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: Go along with it for us looking outside, like it

916
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,280
seems crazy. But to the people that experience that, I

917
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,719
know that they don't have any Here in Indiana is

918
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,960
where Jim Jones originally came from. And anyone listening with

919
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,480
no Jim Jones like they've went down to South America

920
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:22,039
and drink the kool aid. How much power does one

921
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:26,039
person have that can make an entire colony of people

922
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,480
up and move and not to mention all commit suicide,

923
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,920
because again that goes against the wishes of God if

924
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,960
you believe in the Bible and the sense of because

925
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:40,119
that is a sin like calls in your ounds, it's hypocritical.

926
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:41,960
I don't know, Like I said, when it comes to religion,

927
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,719
I get very cult leader, I guess because I have

928
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,840
my own beliefs about it.

929
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:53,679
Speaker 2: You know, I've definitely believe in a higher power than

930
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,480
you know. I believe in good, I believe in evil.

931
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,760
But I wouldn't say I'm religious because I don't just

932
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,760
think one way and that's the way, or you know,

933
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,840
I don't think everybody should or I'm not going to

934
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,320
try to get everybody to.

935
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:13,639
Speaker 1: Or I think if you're a good person and you

936
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,480
do good in life and you try and be good,

937
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,519
that's the best thing anyone can really do.

938
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: Right.

939
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that are quote unquote

940
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,480
great people that are very judgmental, very backstabbing, very not

941
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:35,000
what they front to be. Yet when you see them

942
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:36,440
or talk to them, and they act like they're the

943
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,840
greatest things out there and they're super super nice and

944
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,960
they're great people, but it's just a front.

945
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

946
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,079
Speaker 1: The genuine person that's a good person does what they

947
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:47,920
can do and helps people and tries to do the

948
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,800
best they can. I think those are the people that

949
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,840
really are going to if there is an afterlife, those

950
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,079
will be the ones will be rewarded, not the fakes.

951
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

952
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,079
Speaker 1: And that's why I have my issues with most religions

953
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:02,400
and churches and everything else, because I feel like a

954
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,599
good portion of the people that go are only there

955
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:11,840
for appearances. Yeah, they're not there to live the life

956
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,880
that they claim that they're there to live. That's only

957
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,119
there for the appearance's sake. I'm here for two hours.

958
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:18,719
Now I get to go commit all the sins again

959
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,599
and come back and ask for forgiveness. That's not how

960
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:21,280
it should work.

961
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: No, And they're often the most judgmental people out there.

962
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,960
Like that Christian school that me and my brother my

963
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,079
twin brother had went to, those were the rudest, most

964
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,679
horrible people I had ever experienced in my life. I

965
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:42,199
got told every day by the little other little kids

966
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,599
there that I was going to go to hell because

967
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,280
I wore pants and not a skirt and I had

968
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,840
a cell phone and then I had a guitar like

969
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,280
they were. You know, their parents taught them that stuff,

970
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,599
their school taught them that stuff. You know, their religion

971
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:02,320
tells them, you know, if you don't live this way,

972
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,440
then you're going to go to hell. For sure.

973
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: That's the fear tactic. And it's the same thing, like

974
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,280
I said, with the cults, and it's the same thing.

975
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,360
That's when it push comes a shove almost every religion

976
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,679
to an extent as a cult, I mean by definition

977
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,679
they are yep, and the belief systems are pushed upon them.

978
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,079
And the fear of going to Hell or wherever it

979
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:30,880
is for not following their set rules, it was pushed too,

980
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,559
because that is again a means to control. That's why

981
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,519
I say I don't do religion because I think it's

982
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,880
all just made to control people and to push whatever

983
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,440
narrative they want pushed on people.

984
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: Right, I agree with that.

985
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,079
Speaker 1: Back to the the house, What was one of the

986
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:52,440
last things that you remember that happened before you guys

987
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,119
ended up moving?

988
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: Uh, there was one day in particular where there was

989
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,039
just a ton of birds smacking my window. And this

990
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:14,599
was we were slowly packing up to move and there

991
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:19,159
were just a ton of birds smacking my windows all

992
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:25,119
day for like a week straight, and then a few

993
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,559
nights before we actually moved out, I had a TV

994
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:33,079
sitting on a TV stand, a wooden one, and I

995
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:36,519
was watching I think it was like Coast Adventures or something,

996
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:42,880
and I started hearing like this creaking sound and like

997
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,639
this was a sturdy TV stand. I started hearing a

998
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:48,880
creaking sound, and I was like, what is going on?

999
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,519
So I muted my TV and was listening, and then

1000
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:57,440
my TV just like everything collapses on the stand. Like

1001
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:03,360
it didn't even look like anything had broke, like it

1002
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:09,079
had just fallen apart and it crashed everything on because

1003
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,440
it was kind of like a shelf one. Everything just

1004
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,159
freaking crashed and broke in on itself. And this thing,

1005
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,679
like I said, it was sturdy. It was almost brand

1006
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:21,760
new and it wasn't wobbly, no janky stuff like that.

1007
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,559
So freaked me out, and I screamed, and they heard

1008
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:29,960
all the stuff falling down. My family did, and so

1009
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,679
my brother and my dad came running in there. I

1010
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,400
was like, oh my gosh, what happened? Are you okay?

1011
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,960
And I was like I don't, I don't know the TV,

1012
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:40,800
it just it like the stands collapsed on itself, and

1013
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,000
it just didn't make sense as to how. And they

1014
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,440
were like, well, was it already cracked right here before?

1015
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:48,840
Blah blah blah, And we couldn't figure out how because

1016
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,880
I was like, no, wasn't cracked.

1017
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,039
Speaker 1: So what type of birds were crashing into these windows?

1018
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:02,239
Speaker 2: It was, uh, like a robin's or like the typical

1019
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:05,239
like little brown birds.

1020
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,039
Speaker 1: I didn't know if they were like the typical blackbirds

1021
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:08,679
of most people.

1022
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,519
Speaker 2: I saw some blackbirds hit the window. It was like

1023
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,239
all birds.

1024
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:18,559
Speaker 1: We had a random bird hit the window yesterday. I

1025
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:21,480
think it was yesterday. It didn't die, but like I

1026
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:23,360
seen it like bump into the window. Because we have

1027
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,920
the bushes out front, so when we have birds hit,

1028
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,760
I don't think a whole lot about it. But I've

1029
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,119
seen it was last week actually as a week ago today,

1030
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:42,480
there was a large black bird just out by the driveway.

1031
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:45,239
And I don't know if it was a crow or

1032
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:47,559
a raven or what, but it's a very It wasn't

1033
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,159
the typical, It wasn't a buzzard. It was an all

1034
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,679
black bird. We had little blackbirds out here like typical

1035
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:57,320
bird side, but this thing was very big for a blackbird,

1036
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,199
and I've never seen one that large. I here what

1037
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,519
it would have been. It could have been like a

1038
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,760
I don't know how big crows or ravens are, like

1039
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:04,239
how big.

1040
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: The difference of them are, but they could I think

1041
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,639
they're barely big by like I don't really know either.

1042
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,360
It was just like the normal birds I would see

1043
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,039
out in the yard, because we would have like those

1044
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:19,559
little brown ones, we'd have robins and like these darker

1045
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:25,000
almost little black ones, and it was a lot of

1046
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:29,519
the time it was robin's or the black ones. You know,

1047
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,360
I never really paid much attention because you know, they

1048
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,599
just whacked the window real.

1049
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:36,199
Speaker 1: Fast, and did they die or they just slam them

1050
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:36,639
to A.

1051
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,719
Speaker 2: Couple of them did, and one of them was a

1052
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,000
robin and one of them was a blackbird. But other

1053
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,800
than that, I did I didn't see that they didn't die,

1054
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:53,639
but they would leave like the oil wing marks.

1055
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,079
Speaker 1: But since you moved there, you never had anything else.

1056
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: Really, I have never had any other experience like that

1057
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:02,800
since moving out.

1058
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: So it's all kind of located with the house. Do

1059
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,679
you know the house is still there?

1060
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it's still there. I actually drive by it

1061
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:19,199
almost every day recently, just don't my route to work?

1062
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: Do you ever stop? I want to stop and ask

1063
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,800
the people if they've ever had anything were to happen

1064
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:24,119
to them.

1065
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: I want to so bad, but again I don't want

1066
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,239
to look crazy.

1067
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,719
Speaker 1: There is a I mentioned this one I was talking

1068
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,920
with Easton. There was a town. It was not too

1069
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,840
far from one of my jobs was, and the town

1070
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,679
itself had a lot I got messages from multiple people

1071
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:45,599
about this area. So I wanted to go to the

1072
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,079
town and I went to the gas station or the

1073
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,559
Casey's gas station, and I wanted to go in there

1074
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:53,079
and ask them about the watcher because I was like,

1075
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,400
the cryptid thing that was supposedly going on, and there's

1076
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,360
people was supposedly out in the cornfields with mask. I

1077
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,559
went to the gas station. I went into the ass station,

1078
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:03,239
and I never asked because I didn't want to be

1079
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,039
that crazy person that went in there and be like, Hey,

1080
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:06,559
do you know you got a monster out here?

1081
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, people tend to look funny when you start asking

1082
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,559
stuff like that.

1083
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: Well, I posted out when I went in and just

1084
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,239
got whatever it was. I was getting a drink and

1085
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:19,119
I just drove on back to work. I was like man,

1086
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,280
I just couldn't do it. The people there was people online.

1087
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,760
It was like, I don't want to be this weirdo.

1088
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I could ask those people that

1089
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:35,159
live there, but I'm also scared to go there. I

1090
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:37,800
don't want it, like I don't know, maybe latching onto me.

1091
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,519
I'm just always worried about that, Like I don't want

1092
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:43,159
to go to hunted places, and like what if it

1093
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:45,360
latches onto me or especially this place because I live.

1094
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,239
Speaker 1: Make up an email address. Here's some advice for me

1095
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,880
for anyone listening. Make up an email address and write

1096
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,000
a letter and then drop it off into a post

1097
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:59,840
office like mailer and mailer without a return address, and

1098
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:01,960
in the letter give an email address so they can

1099
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,920
respond back to you that way.

1100
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: That's actually a really good idea.

1101
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: If they have a way of communicating, they can respond

1102
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,559
back by email, or they're just going to think there's

1103
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,360
some real crazy person. But say you just don't want

1104
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,159
to seem like a random crazy person, but I'm writing

1105
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:17,960
you a letter that makes it even look like a

1106
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,360
crazy person. But that would be the best. That way,

1107
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,880
they don't know who you are and you don't have

1108
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,920
to know them. This keeps the inn an enmity or

1109
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,320
whatever the proper term is.

1110
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,519
Speaker 2: But that's actually a really good idea and I just

1111
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:32,159
might do that.

1112
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully they don't listen to the show.

1113
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: We'll follow up on.

1114
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:41,119
Speaker 1: I'll give an update. I'll do a special update for

1115
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:46,480
this episode if there's been any updates from that. Is

1116
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:48,480
there anything else you would like to discuss?

1117
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: That's pretty much. I mean, there was always oddball stuff

1118
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,360
here and there that's escaped to my mind at this

1119
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:02,079
point because I was over ten years ago, right, But

1120
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:03,559
that's pretty much it.

1121
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: Well, we can probably wrap this up, but.

1122
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:10,239
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you, Yeah, thank you for

1123
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:10,679
having me.

1124
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: Definitely I enjoy what I do and I'm glad people

1125
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:18,679
give me the opportunity to allow them to come on

1126
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,719
here and share things about their life that they normally

1127
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,519
don't get a chance to talk about. But we're gonna

1128
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:30,400
go ahead and wrap this one up. So for everyone listening,

1129
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,360
thanks for doing that. Appreciate you guys. It has been

1130
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,840
exactly two years since this whole thing started. Today is

1131
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,599
the two year anniversary, So say thanks to Ariel coming

1132
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:47,119
in here tonight and talking with me. It's been a pleasure.

1133
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:51,159
But we're going to roll on out. So good night,

1134
01:05:56,719 --> 01:05:59,039
and that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys

1135
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:01,519
enjoyed the conversation. If you would like to be a

1136
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:04,280
guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to

1137
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,119
Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com or go to

1138
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:10,320
the contact section of tenfoiltales dot com. Just get your

1139
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,960
message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode.

1140
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,840
And just remember the truth lies, and the stories we share,

1141
01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:19,360
the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you

1142
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,760
all for joining us on this journey. And until next time,

1143
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,280
keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night,

1144
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,320
everyone seems on sales and the headphones. Yeah, it's turns rock.

1145
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,239
Got a story about a crypty creature.

1146
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,119
Speaker 3: Let's take a walk big foot some there.

1147
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 5: They're out there in the talk, but the truth is

1148
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,440
out there, likingly as fuck.

1149
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 3: UFO signings got the whole world.

1150
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 5: Shock conspiracies on phones like a story in a book.

1151
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:59,079
Me console sign to Kip, We're all gonna use them

1152
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:00,159
aline in.

1153
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,599
Speaker 4: History. They don't want.

1154
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:09,119
Speaker 5: Us to know the secrets that hide, since they will

1155
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:12,519
show Donna Society.

1156
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,039
Speaker 4: They keep us in chase.

1157
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: But then in time it's time to break the reins.

1158
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 5: Control trying to keep us fine, but I'm all people

1159
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:45,920
are going to use a.

1160
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: Mind in history.

1161
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 4: They don't want us to know the secrets that hide

1162
01:07:55,239 --> 01:08:01,360
since they will show JNNA society thank you for s

1163
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:07,719
and change, but said its time to break the reins.

1164
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah,