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<v Speaker 2>Alli ward back with a part two episode of ologies. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>did you listen to part one of Chiropterology about bats? No? Then,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing here? Would you walk into a

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<v Speaker 2>of popcorn? No? So go listen to part one. You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hear all about cave tails and bat flimflams, debunkery

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<v Speaker 2>and what is it bat? And how are they similar

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<v Speaker 2>to prime? And what makes them able to sleep upside down,

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<v Speaker 2>and why should we protect them? And can you build

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<v Speaker 2>a huge habitat that they'll come and live in? And

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<v Speaker 2>who makes good bath houses? And how can you train

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<v Speaker 2>one in some real tight spots that chiropterologists can get in,

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<v Speaker 2>but real quick. Thank you to all the folks at

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<v Speaker 2>charts among the science giants. Thank you so much for that,

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<v Speaker 2>and for telling friends about the show, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>for leaving a review for me to creepily read and

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<v Speaker 2>choose one each week to thank such as For example,

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole thirty four ninety six said, I've been listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Ologies at work and it never gets old. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I had more time in the day to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>every episode. I love the uniqueness of each episode. It

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<v Speaker 2>will keep you extremely interested in wanting to learn more. PS.

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<v Speaker 2>Merlin is my new celebrity crush thanks to the Bats episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Well thank you Nicole on behalf of myself and America's

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<v Speaker 2>favorite bad expert. So this week Part two now, after

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<v Speaker 2>a quick body break for both of us. We concluded

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<v Speaker 2>part one of this massive three hour bat extravaganza, took

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<v Speaker 2>a little break. Merlin just went into his office and

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed an iPad containing an archive of bat calls he'd

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<v Speaker 2>recorded using an ultrasonic microphone, and he lent a play

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<v Speaker 2>by play like Vince Scully of the bat world. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we dove back into your patroon questions. So hang out,

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<v Speaker 2>open your ears to hear bat conversations about echolocation and

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<v Speaker 2>how to put up a bath house, and more info

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<v Speaker 2>on white nose syndrome and bat coitus and habitats and

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<v Speaker 2>his favorite species and what he does in his leisure time.

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<v Speaker 2>So settle in for the wildlife wizardry of human treasure

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<v Speaker 2>and America's favorite chiropterologist, Doctor Merlin Tuttle. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not every day you get down with the Marlin title.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just a.

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<v Speaker 4>Very slowed down recording. All there. That's a call of

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<v Speaker 4>a free tail bad Now that one, he's just.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up on some obstacles. No, he's actually chasing an

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<v Speaker 3>insect that's his feeding. But he's locked in here. That's

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<v Speaker 3>that's where he caught the insect. Now he's going back

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<v Speaker 3>to what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So that ultrasonic recorder is called the Echometer Touch

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<v Speaker 2>and it's made by Wildlife Acoustics. They're not sponsors. They

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<v Speaker 2>just make cool gadgets for scientists and friends to animals.

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<v Speaker 2>And this thing can plug into an iPhone or an iPad.

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<v Speaker 2>They're between like two hundred and three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>bucks depending on how pro of a model you get.

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<v Speaker 2>And hey, holidays are coming up. How about everyone gives

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<v Speaker 2>each other bad houses and maybe chips in for tiny

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<v Speaker 2>ultrasonic microphones and some of Merlin Tittle's books in the

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<v Speaker 2>new year. Also, what if you just want to see

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<v Speaker 2>some bats now? First time question asker and part time

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<v Speaker 2>at chiropterologist in Alaska, Dave Hayna asked about bat research

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<v Speaker 2>instruments and I hope that he gets one of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he already has one. Also, patrons including Iris McPherson,

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa Butterscotch, Jamie Kishimoto all asked about the best way

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<v Speaker 2>to spot one, and Nicole Bratt asked where can I

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<v Speaker 2>go to give bats a tender little hug provided they

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<v Speaker 2>want it? If you want to go bat spotting, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to see a bat, what's the best pace.

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<v Speaker 4>If I want to see a bat, Yeah, I'm probably

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<v Speaker 4>going to do one of several things. First of all,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to learn a lesson learn right here in

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<v Speaker 4>front of my house. One night. I wanted to test

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<v Speaker 4>this out when I first bought obtained it, and I

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<v Speaker 4>went downtown and went all over places where I thought

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<v Speaker 4>there would be bats feeding, and I couldn't pick up

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<v Speaker 4>hardly at bat. They left town and went out to

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<v Speaker 4>the agricultural.

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<v Speaker 2>Areas to be Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 4>When I came home, Paul wanted me to try and

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<v Speaker 4>see if they're any in the yard, and I said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>there wouldn't been out here. And it turns out that

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<v Speaker 4>in our neighborhood, as in most neighborhoods, most of the

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<v Speaker 4>street lights are yellow now and don't attract insects, but

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<v Speaker 4>the one in front of our place is white. And

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<v Speaker 4>I got such good recordings right standing in front of

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<v Speaker 4>our house that the manufacturer asked to use them for

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<v Speaker 4>promoting the product.

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<v Speaker 2>Merlin says that these are social calls, like I love Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>so they.

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<v Speaker 5>Do chat a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>These are just telling them what's right in front of him,

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<v Speaker 4>but much more detail.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's a type of sonar Yeah, with a.

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<v Speaker 4>Bat detector, you'd be amazed how many times I can

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<v Speaker 4>go out and even with a spotlight, can't spot a bat,

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<v Speaker 4>but I can hear at least one or two right close,

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<v Speaker 4>Like where hell are they? First place I'd go looking

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<v Speaker 4>for a bat if I didn't have a bat detector,

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<v Speaker 4>would be a white street light or any outdoor powerful

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<v Speaker 4>white light, because they attract insects the bats like to eat,

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<v Speaker 4>is opposed to yellow lights that just expose into more

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<v Speaker 4>alpidation and don't attract insects.

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<v Speaker 2>So go crash an insect party, but do not invite

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<v Speaker 2>any owls.

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<v Speaker 4>The other thing I'd do if there was a river

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<v Speaker 4>or a lake anywhere and there were boat docks and

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<v Speaker 4>there were landing lights, white lights on the docks, I

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<v Speaker 4>would look around those because it's a lot easier to

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<v Speaker 4>spot bets out over clear open water, lying all over

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<v Speaker 4>the water than it is up high around street lights.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can find a white street light still, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's hard these days. Sometimes you need to shield your

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<v Speaker 4>eyes from the absolute center of the lights that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>blind you. But then look around and you know sea bats.

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<v Speaker 4>I used to take people up to the state Capitol

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<v Speaker 4>in the springtime, and we'd sit there with a bat

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<v Speaker 4>detector and listen. There wouldn't be anything for a while,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we'd hear several bats coming into the zone

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<v Speaker 4>and we'd look up and you'd actually see the wings

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<v Speaker 4>dropping from the maths that they're eating.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, now, the wings just drop like snickers wrappers, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they don't want those, They just want what's inside, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize that about mobs until I was helping

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<v Speaker 2>renovate a kitchen up in Montana and found out that

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<v Speaker 2>animals don't eat the wings. They just like to eat

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<v Speaker 2>the right squishy part, right, Yeah, it's like candy wrappers.

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<v Speaker 2>So in this case, it was a mice infestation on

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<v Speaker 2>our family's little teeny tiny prairie house, and the mice

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<v Speaker 2>just hmm huh, they yum yum it up with the moss.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, they leave the wings around like swaps. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>wants them.

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<v Speaker 4>So there are other ways to sea bats too, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>watch a cave entrance where they come out at night.

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<v Speaker 4>I have often, you know, even been in a foreign

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<v Speaker 4>country and just look up and see a woodpecker hole

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<v Speaker 4>in a tree and wait and watch and see a

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<v Speaker 2>Who's there.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're in the tropics, then most places you go,

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<v Speaker 4>like anywhere in the tropics, you'll have various kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>bananas growing banana plants. Bananas are bat pollinated. We didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even get into this whole part of how important bats

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<v Speaker 4>are pollinating economically important and yahologically important plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, patrons such as Sophie Cosino and Laura Kinney who asked,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from bats chowing down on insects, some bats are

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<v Speaker 2>important pollinators, right, Gwen Boat simply demanded, what can you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about bats as pollinators? I want to know everything,

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<v Speaker 2>Gwen Boat.

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<v Speaker 5>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're staying in a resort hotel in the tropics,

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<v Speaker 4>and well, in fact, I've done this down and along

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<v Speaker 4>the Gulf of California coast in Mexico co some of

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of the resorts will have cardone and organ

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<v Speaker 4>pipe and shirl cactus growing right up outside your door

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<v Speaker 4>or in the parking lot, and there'll be lights around.

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<v Speaker 4>And in the right season, bats come and pollinate the

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<v Speaker 4>They're mostly bat pollinated in bat sea dispersed. And I've

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<v Speaker 4>sat in the back of a hotel room in Mexico

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<v Speaker 4>and watched bats four feet away coming and pollinating flowers,

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of places will have bananas. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>bananas flower over very long periods during the year, and

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<v Speaker 4>you see a banana that has one of the stalks

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<v Speaker 4>that hang down that eventually developed bananas on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Ps Merlin was like, what what is the word for

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<v Speaker 2>a stalk of bananas? Like a stem of them? And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, got me, dude, but I'll look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did, and let me tell you, there were

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<v Speaker 2>some search returns that are more than you bargained for

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<v Speaker 2>when you type in banana plus anatomy. Now, at first glance,

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<v Speaker 2>it seemed like the word we were looking for was

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<v Speaker 2>just stem or stock of bananas. But then I saw

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<v Speaker 2>that when it's a bunch of flowers, it's called an inflorescence,

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<v Speaker 2>which sounds like a new Calvin Klein perfume. Also, is

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<v Speaker 2>now a good time to remind you that a banana

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<v Speaker 2>is a berry? Are we still reeling from that pumpkin

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<v Speaker 2>fact in the qu Curbatology episode? We are? Anyway, Bats

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<v Speaker 2>love and inflorescence are a big stock of flowers to

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<v Speaker 2>motor boat.

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<v Speaker 4>After sun goes down or starting a little bit before,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll see one of these purple bracts will start opening.

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<v Speaker 4>When it gets open, then the bats come and pollinate them. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>there aren't any New World bats that originally depended on

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<v Speaker 4>bananas for pollination, because bananas didn't come from the New World,

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<v Speaker 4>they came from the Old World tropics. But all commercial

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<v Speaker 4>bananas that we today come from bat dependent ancestors.

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<v Speaker 5>This has bananas.

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<v Speaker 4>So anywhere in the world, just about if you go

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<v Speaker 4>out and you see banana plants growing in a yard,

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<v Speaker 4>watch those carefully at dusk or a little bit after dusk,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're very likely to see small nectar feeding bats

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<v Speaker 4>coming in and visiting them.

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<v Speaker 2>So bats are important pollinators for another plant. And algave

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<v Speaker 2>a clue of what that affects tequila. It's agave. The

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<v Speaker 2>plant's agave. Oh, but if it grows a big stock

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<v Speaker 2>of flowers in the middle, that's an inflorescence.

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<v Speaker 4>By Calvin, I mean even in Austin, I've laughed at

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<v Speaker 4>myself before. I'm curious. I've never gone out to a

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<v Speaker 4>for a couple hours at night. There might be nectar

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<v Speaker 2>What happens when you're out doing nocturnal fieldwork, have like

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to carry all these heavy ropes, you're climbing gear,

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<v Speaker 5>Do I need to remind you to never do this?

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<v Speaker 2>So bring water or emergency water purification tablets or filters. Listen,

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<v Speaker 5>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>So have you have you learned a lesson? Did you

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think anybody knows me would say I fully

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's like some Indiana Jones stuff right there. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>One more thing on bat watching. Another way to see bats.

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<v Speaker 4>catching minnows, under dog lights catching minnows. Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Fisher bats.

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<v Speaker 4>They have big hind feet and laterally compressed toes so

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a pterodactyl or something. Okay, side note,

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<v Speaker 2>I look this up and it's impressive as hell to

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<v Speaker 2>use sonar to scoop up a fish with your feet. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>also your hands are wings. But I did think it

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<v Speaker 2>geodocumentary called I Mean they Catch Fish? So was the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary made for fish? Anyway? Sounds like another fearmonger smear campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of bulguano, You catch my drift. On the

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<v Speaker 4>I firmly believe that if you're too much in love

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<v Speaker 4>with the kind of animal, you can't really effectively conserve it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're too much in love with it, you're probably

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<v Speaker 4>going to go out into combat with everybody that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>do what you think they should do. When I first

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<v Speaker 4>and they would often tell me about how they kill

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<v Speaker 4>large numbers of them. And I had to learn you

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<v Speaker 4>can't win battles without allies. That's a good point, And

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<v Speaker 4>you can't get allies by fighting with everybody that disagrees

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Merlin's School of Conflict Resolution Wizardry. Let's role

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<v Speaker 2>play shall we.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I would simply ask, well, I'm curious, why

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<v Speaker 4>do you do that? Well, one tried to attack me

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<v Speaker 4>on it. Oh really, I'm very interested in text, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and all my life staying baths, I've never been attacked

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<v Speaker 4>or see anybody that was. So I'm really curious. Could

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<v Speaker 4>you tell me about how this attack occurred? And we

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<v Speaker 4>certainly unproven, or they say, you know, somebody told me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just asked we has this person ever been

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, well, they're my drunk uncle and they're wrong

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<v Speaker 2>about everything.

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<v Speaker 4>You just keep asking questions until finally, you know, what

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<v Speaker 4>would you think of bats if you understood that just

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<v Speaker 4>one of that species can catch a thousand mosquitos in

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<v Speaker 4>an hour, or can catch enough potato beetles or cucumber

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<v Speaker 4>beetles in a summer to protect your garden from all

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of havoc. You know, I've had people that thought

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<v Speaker 4>they had a terrible problem with bats in their attic,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'd come and actually tell them how to get

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<v Speaker 4>the bats to leave. But when I'd finished telling them

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<v Speaker 4>about what bats did and what they were like, they'd

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<v Speaker 4>say no, no, no, we don't want to get rid of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we're going to keep them.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what do you do if you have bats in

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<v Speaker 5>the attic? Is it okay just to leave him up there?

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<v Speaker 4>I certainly wouldn't advocate allowing bats or any wild animal

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<v Speaker 4>to come into human living quarters inside. But there's absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>nothing to worry about from a bath that wants to

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<v Speaker 4>live behind your window shutter or lives in the attic

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<v Speaker 4>and isn't causing you know, bat droppings. Too much of

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<v Speaker 4>anything in the wrong place is not good. One guy

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<v Speaker 4>put up a bathouse over his front door because he

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to look and see the baths every day. Well

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<v Speaker 4>after they start got to be hundreds of him in

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<v Speaker 4>his house and start dropping a half inch iguano, he

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<v Speaker 4>was calling to know how he could move him.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe just consider that before you hang it up. Perhaps,

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<v Speaker 2>So where do you put a bat box? A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of you want to tips, A lot of you, such

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<v Speaker 2>as Josie Gombas, Molly Henning, Trisha Lauren, Dean, Lauren Blanchard,

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<v Speaker 2>May Merrill, Robin Kewan, Eva, Jen Henry, Addie Markin, Deborah Dillar,

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<v Speaker 2>m Wings, Sarah Greer, Robert Pulcini, Carolyn Armitage, Liz Powell,

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<v Speaker 2>Gretchen Herriford, Fernando Derek Allen, Ellie Abbott, Anna Thompson, Jennifer Alvarez,

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<v Speaker 2>Julie Noble, Highly Stouschnoff, Tristan Kwasinski, Brandy Madeline Runyon, Charlotte Fielkegard,

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Crocker, Amy Sally Colleini b and Kevin List, who asked,

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<v Speaker 2>what's to do with bathhouses? Why do they need to

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<v Speaker 2>be on a standalone pole above a certain height? Or

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<v Speaker 2>Janet Sebastian Coleman, who asked, how do I befriend the bats?

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<v Speaker 2>How do I get them to come and hang out

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<v Speaker 2>in my yard? Or Jessica Shunk, who asked, how can

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<v Speaker 2>I attract the bats to a bath house after we

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<v Speaker 2>evicted them from our eves? Or will they forever tell

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<v Speaker 2>tales of our lack of hospitality? She sounds guilty as hell. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I looked it up on Merlin Tittle dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a whole guide about bat boxes write clickable

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<v Speaker 2>there on his homepage. Read it and figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>big of a bat box would be good for the

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<v Speaker 2>species in your area, and even what color to paint

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<v Speaker 2>it depending on your region. So darker bath houses tend

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<v Speaker 2>to retain heat and are better for colder climates, and

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<v Speaker 2>ones mounted on a building retain more heat that the

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<v Speaker 2>bats dig, and temperate and warmer climates might be better

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<v Speaker 2>served with a bat box on a pole. Also, in general,

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<v Speaker 2>bats aren't crazy about ones mounted on trees because predators

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<v Speaker 2>can scramble right up the tree where birds of prey

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<v Speaker 2>can hang out in a branch and snack on their

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<v Speaker 2>babies like popcorn shrimp. Also, apparently there's not much evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that adding batguano will attract.

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<v Speaker 5>Bats faster, so don't deal with that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you have an empty baththouse that just isn't

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<v Speaker 2>getting a lot of action, it might be because it

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<v Speaker 2>needs seven hours of direct daily sun, so it might

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<v Speaker 2>need to be moved. Anyway, go to Merlin Toddle dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Figure it out, and then just breathe easy, he writes.

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<v Speaker 2>If you know you have a good bathouse mounted in

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<v Speaker 2>a good location, be patient. The bats will likely arrive eventually.

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<v Speaker 4>As long as as the you know the bats are

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<v Speaker 4>on the outside the house you're on the inside. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's perfectly fine. And the old pest control operators

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<v Speaker 4>that are trying to make a lot of money scaring

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<v Speaker 4>people would tell you that they bred like rabbits, that

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<v Speaker 4>they once got their sin established, you'd never get rid

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<v Speaker 4>of them, and all that kind of thing. But not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Remember, bat breeding goes a little slow, and many

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<v Speaker 2>of them have only one pop at a time, unlike

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<v Speaker 2>a soft, squirmy pile of rabbit babies. So flim flam debunked. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't strike me until later that I totally forgot

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<v Speaker 2>to ask Marilin about bat jennies. What's happening in a

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<v Speaker 2>chiropterology crotch? So Cassiana Brook wanted to know. Do bats

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<v Speaker 2>have penises? How do they approcreate? Well? I looked it up,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do have sexual intercourse with their penises and

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<v Speaker 2>vaginas they are mammals. Also, bat dicks sometimes have caraitonized

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<v Speaker 2>spines on them that may serve like a barbecue brush,

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<v Speaker 2>just to get out other bats sperm. Since, as we

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned briefly, lat week bats love and orgy, now, Sam

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<v Speaker 2>f said, I have recently read articles about fruit bats

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<v Speaker 2>performing falatio and connolingis can you tell me more? Julie

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<v Speaker 2>Berry put it more plainly, truth or flim flamm bats

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<v Speaker 2>engage in oral sex. Derek Allen, Friend to Bats, chimed

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<v Speaker 2>in on the Patreon questions and said, I have seen

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<v Speaker 2>this happen when I was a zoo volunteer. Both falatio

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<v Speaker 2>and conna lingus have been observed. So yep, bats will

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<v Speaker 2>get down and they will go down. That is a fact. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Tay Solis left the patreon plea, please talk about homosexuality

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<v Speaker 2>and bats. We deserve gay bat talk. Tay, I looked

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<v Speaker 2>it up and sure as heck ya, bats are gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Bats will bone when everyone's awake. They'll also bone each

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<v Speaker 2>other while one is taking a snooze, which is reprehensible

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<v Speaker 2>in human mammals. Researchers tasked with quantifying bat sex say

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<v Speaker 2>up to thirty five percent of the sleepy sex is

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<v Speaker 2>just man on man bat action.

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<v Speaker 5>What about lady bats?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we talk about their bat boobs?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Can? Their bat boobs are sometimes low located in their

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<v Speaker 2>armpits so that their one to two babies can just

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<v Speaker 2>latch on, bite a nip, and go zooming through the sky. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Side note, if you google bat nipples, the first ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand or so returns are about George Clooney's beleaguered be

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<v Speaker 2>nippled batsuit, which Batman director Joel Schumacher later explained that

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<v Speaker 2>he had told the lead customer of the film, let's

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<v Speaker 2>make it anatomical and then he gave photos of those

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<v Speaker 2>Greek statues. The costumer did the nipples, and he says,

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<v Speaker 2>when I looked at them, I thought, that's cool. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what have been cooler armpit nipples and maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>same sex romantic subplot. Let's spice up these franchises people now.

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<v Speaker 2>This next question, asked by not Clooney George, was echoed

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<v Speaker 2>by Brian Wharton and Austinite Let's see George Ferar wants

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<v Speaker 2>to know how did different types of bats evolve to

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<v Speaker 2>have such varying food sources like fruit bats having fruit,

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<v Speaker 2>vampire bats blood. I was thinking it was like birds

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<v Speaker 2>having different beak types, but fruit and blood are not

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<v Speaker 2>the same in any way.

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<v Speaker 4>So hmm, Well, there are a lot of these things

420
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<v Speaker 4>that we can't know absolutely, we can only speculate based

421
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<v Speaker 4>on what we see today. But one that's particularly interested me.

422
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<v Speaker 4>You go to my website photo gallery, you'll see pictures

423
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<v Speaker 4>of bats paullinaying cacti, and one of them is some

424
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<v Speaker 4>of those pictures are pallid bats pollinating Cardone cactus, the

425
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<v Speaker 4>world's largest cactus. It gets up to fifty sixty feet tall.

426
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<v Speaker 4>And this is a bat that predominantly was thought for

427
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<v Speaker 4>most of my career to eat only insects, scorpions, and centipedes.

428
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<v Speaker 4>Then one night I'm out trying to catch a nectar

429
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<v Speaker 4>feeding bat to put in my studio, and I watch

430
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<v Speaker 4>a bat come in and obviously stick its head in

431
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<v Speaker 4>the flower. It comes out with its head covered and

432
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<v Speaker 4>pallen gets caught in my net. Turns out to be

433
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<v Speaker 4>a pallid bat, not the nectar bat that we thought

434
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<v Speaker 4>was should have been their pollinating the plant, And later

435
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<v Speaker 4>it's been well documented that pallid bats are major flower pollinators.

436
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<v Speaker 4>Probably how this all started was palid bats love to

437
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<v Speaker 4>eat things like sphinx moths that come to those same flowers.

438
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<v Speaker 4>So a palid bat coming too a cardone cactus maybe

439
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<v Speaker 4>just as likely to grab a sphinx moth or as

440
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<v Speaker 4>it is to grab a drink.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Can I give you a night cup? So they're kind

442
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<v Speaker 2>of like omnivorous A bit.

443
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<v Speaker 4>Sure, they are bats that are quite omnivorous.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Now, what about fuzzy blood guzzlers. Are they low key

445
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<v Speaker 2>monster creeps or are they just like your friends on

446
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<v Speaker 2>the Keto diet, but very hairy with wing hands.

447
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can imagine that. You know, even vampires a

448
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<v Speaker 4>little harder to figure out. But you know, they may

449
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<v Speaker 4>have been attracted. You know, when you had these giant

450
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<v Speaker 4>animals jabbing each other with tusts and things, there are

451
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<v Speaker 4>probably some fair open ones and they probably attracted insects,

452
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<v Speaker 4>and bats may have come to catch those insects and

453
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<v Speaker 4>then found out that the blood tasted good. And before

454
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<v Speaker 4>anybody wrinkles up because bats eat blood, let me point

455
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<v Speaker 4>out that's only been relatively recent years. It hasn't been

456
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<v Speaker 4>popular with humans.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's so you know, we're in Texas

458
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<v Speaker 2>right now. There's a lot of people eating steak today.

459
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that is eating blood.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, well blood sausage, you know, still probably pretty

461
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<v Speaker 4>popular in some parts of the.

462
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<v Speaker 2>World, oh for sure. Now, of course, vampire bats were

463
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<v Speaker 2>on the brains of many of you, including Caleb Patten,

464
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<v Speaker 2>Jody Riek, No Fun, Nicole Radley, Megmahali, Dane Goding, Hayden Sloan,

465
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<v Speaker 2>and first time question asker Kira Die. Do you think

466
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<v Speaker 2>that the vampire bats are maybe where vampire's got the

467
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<v Speaker 2>lore of being associated with vampire Transylvania types.

468
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<v Speaker 4>What's interesting is that the whole vampire legend occurred before

469
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<v Speaker 4>anybody knew of a vampire bat. There are independent vampire

470
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<v Speaker 4>legends in many parts of the world, from Europe to

471
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<v Speaker 4>the Pacific Islands. There was this whole idea of vampires

472
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<v Speaker 4>and drinking blood long before they found a bat that

473
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<v Speaker 4>did it seriously. In the earliest vampire stories were people

474
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<v Speaker 4>that were vampires, and in fact, people did, even in Europe,

475
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<v Speaker 4>do really despicable things. Not even two hundred years ago.

476
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<v Speaker 4>There were major generals and people who, after battle would

477
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<v Speaker 4>impale enemies by sticking them a sword handle up through

478
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<v Speaker 4>their body and leaving them alive dangling on it. People

479
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<v Speaker 4>who would fill a tub with human blood and bathe

480
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<v Speaker 4>in it. They are all kinds of crazy things, horrible

481
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<v Speaker 4>things done by people involume blood. But when we finally

482
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<v Speaker 4>discovered a bath that ate blood like we still many

483
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<v Speaker 4>of us do, all of a sudden we'd found the despicable, terrible,

484
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<v Speaker 4>nasty thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's not despicable sharing a meal now, since

486
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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to sneak up on bird butts and mammal

487
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<v Speaker 2>nipples to slice and lap up the blood. Sometimes vampire

488
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 2>bats will get hungry if they don't feed for a

489
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<v Speaker 2>day or two, so their friends will know that and

490
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<v Speaker 2>they'll just barf up blood for them to share. Is

491
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>there anything more goth and selfless than that? It's just

492
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>like offering your neighbor hot talk, except you have eaten

493
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<v Speaker 2>it first. Not to mention the vampire finch. No one's

494
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>out there worrying about finches.

495
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<v Speaker 4>Go to my website. Go to the photo gallery and

496
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<v Speaker 4>look under vampires, and you'll find that at least one

497
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.480
<v Speaker 4>species of vampires is one of the cutest animals around.

498
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:56.839
<v Speaker 4>The bat is cute.

499
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Merlin got up to get this beautiful little folk color pamphlet,

500
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<v Speaker 2>smaller than a deck of cards, slim is a credit card.

501
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.640
<v Speaker 2>He hands them out to strangers to spread the batfacts

502
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<v Speaker 2>like how invaluable bats are as pollinators, that they can

503
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<v Speaker 2>live up to forty years, that they save farmers up

504
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<v Speaker 2>to twenty three billion dollars a year in pest control,

505
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>that a bat can catch up to one thousand insects

506
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 2>an hour, that one point five million live in Austin,

507
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that they form long term friendships that may involve blood vomit.

508
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<v Speaker 2>So many great facts on this pamphlet except for the

509
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<v Speaker 2>blood vomit part. But the front of the pamphlet has

510
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<v Speaker 2>his squish faced bat. It looks like a very hairy,

511
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<v Speaker 2>tiny fridge bulldog.

512
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<v Speaker 3>Oh so good, Oh cut.

513
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<v Speaker 5>Oh that's a vampire bat.

514
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<v Speaker 2>I'd let him take a nibble. Okay, Now onto the

515
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<v Speaker 2>sweet difficult question of picking a favorite species, a thing

516
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<v Speaker 2>wondered about by patrons Crystal Mendoza, Ruby Austrich, Iras McPherson,

517
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<v Speaker 2>Kathleen Sachs, and Jay, who asked, what's the best bat?

518
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<v Speaker 2>And why is it the flying fox? Not so fast, Jay.

519
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<v Speaker 5>So many people asked if you have a.

520
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Favorite species of bat?

521
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<v Speaker 5>Is that so hard to ask?

522
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.559
<v Speaker 4>It's virtually impossible for me to pick a favorite. You know,

523
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.319
<v Speaker 4>it would tend to be the ones I worked with

524
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 4>most recently. I used to thank my favorites for the

525
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<v Speaker 4>larger carnivores. Then I found out that these tiny little

526
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 4>bats smaller than a nickel are so intelligent thing to

527
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<v Speaker 4>start training me. It's hard not to fall in love

528
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<v Speaker 4>with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Rillin says that an unfortunate part of conservation means preserving

530
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<v Speaker 2>some individual specimens to keep in collections for future ecologists,

531
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<v Speaker 2>and he says it's in the name of learning as

532
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<v Speaker 2>much as possible about each species to keep millions of

533
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<v Speaker 2>them safe. Now, one thing that's a real threat to

534
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<v Speaker 2>bats that we don't talk about often is wind turbines.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Of you, Samantha Mitz and Derek Allen asked about how

536
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<v Speaker 2>dangerous harnessing wind energy is, and Merlin has an article

537
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<v Speaker 2>on his website about all of this. But the long

538
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<v Speaker 2>and short of it is that sadly, wind power kills

539
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<v Speaker 2>tons of bats from collisions and from a drop in

540
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<v Speaker 2>air pressure that affects their oxygen levels and their lungs

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<v Speaker 2>and can kill them instantly. Now, hundreds and hundreds of

542
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.759
<v Speaker 2>thousands of bats die just in the US each year,

543
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<v Speaker 2>and the estimates are likely way lower than the reality

544
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<v Speaker 2>since so many scavengers will just gobble up the dead

545
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<v Speaker 2>bats before they're found and counted. So what can stop

546
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 2>all of these bats dying? Things that can stop it

547
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<v Speaker 2>involved raising the wind speed threshold for when the turbine

548
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<v Speaker 2>starts rotating, so waiting till it gets a little bit

549
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<v Speaker 2>windier to have them start going around. That could save

550
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven percent of some species killed with only a

551
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<v Speaker 2>one percent decline in energy output, or perhaps adding an

552
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 2>annoying ultrasonic deterrent kind of a loud noise that they

553
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<v Speaker 2>just hate, kind of like when bars play the Semisonic

554
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>hit closing time at intolerable volumes at one fifty five am. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Merlin says that until the wind folks and the bat

556
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<v Speaker 2>folks figure it out, we can each try individually just

557
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.960
<v Speaker 2>to use less electricity, just turn out the lights for

558
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<v Speaker 2>the bats.

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<v Speaker 4>The goal is to save as much of healthy nature

560
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<v Speaker 4>on this planet as we can. It's not to quibble

561
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<v Speaker 4>about every little thing that goes wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the bigger picture for sure. Okay, let's return to

563
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<v Speaker 2>the topic of cuteness. A listener named Georgia wants to

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<v Speaker 2>know is it true that they drink by licking water

565
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<v Speaker 2>off their bellies.

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00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Flying foxes do drink by kind of belly flopping into

567
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 4>river water, and when they come up, there's a bunch

568
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 4>of water clings to their fur and they drink that.

569
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's just like dunking your hair in the sink

570
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and then sucking on as you go back your day.

571
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<v Speaker 2>Tons of you had the foresight to submit questions about

572
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<v Speaker 2>bad eyes, such as Gracie and Gretchen and a few

573
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<v Speaker 2>others ask if there's any truth to the same blind

574
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<v Speaker 2>as a bat, and does batvision vary from species to species?

575
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<v Speaker 2>What's the range of eyesight for bats?

576
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<v Speaker 4>It varies from species to species. But I don't know

577
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<v Speaker 4>of any bath that doesn't probably see fairly well. Their

578
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.920
<v Speaker 4>baths that have very small eyes, and we wonder how

579
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:34.119
<v Speaker 4>well they see. But most baths that have been tested

580
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 4>certainly see fine. Oh. In fact, some even see color.

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<v Speaker 4>What's cool, though, is that using sound alone, bats can

582
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<v Speaker 4>see everything we see, except perhaps in some cases color.

583
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.759
<v Speaker 4>But they can also see things we can't see because

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<v Speaker 4>by looking at this table, you do not know if

585
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 4>that's foam rubber painted over, or if that's hard wood.

586
00:32:59.119 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 4>The bat would know.

587
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<v Speaker 2>And how is that echolocation working? Is it similar to Wales?

588
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<v Speaker 2>Some listeners wanted to know. Patrons Helena, Dave Woodriff, Curious, DNA,

589
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>y'all wanted to hear about echolocation and sonar.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's been estimated by the Don Griffin, the guy

591
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<v Speaker 4>who discovered bat echolocation. He estimated that it was on

592
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<v Speaker 4>a what per what ouns for rounds basis billions of

593
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<v Speaker 4>times more efficient than anything ever developed by humans.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my gosh, have you heard of there are a

595
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<v Speaker 6>few people who are not cited who are blind to

596
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 6>use echolocation themselves to avoid obstacles.

597
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<v Speaker 5>Have you heard about that?

598
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 4>All bats have been modeled. They've been used as models

599
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 4>for developing aids for the blind to navigate. In fact,

600
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 4>the military is using bat models now to try to

601
00:33:56.079 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 4>develop artificial bats that fly into anime territory despite on the.

602
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Enemy, like little tiny baby drones.

603
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:04.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just the little ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, A few people wanted to know about citizen and

605
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<v Speaker 2>community science programs, like Elizabeth Alien, Clara Simpson, and Janine Williams,

606
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 2>who asked a bit too humbly, what is the best

607
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>thing us plubs could do to support that conservation? Also,

608
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<v Speaker 2>I had to look up plubs because I was like,

609
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>is it pleaves or plubs? Apparently it's plubs. Now. One

610
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<v Speaker 2>thing this podcast episode is doing is tossing some money

611
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<v Speaker 2>toward Merlin Tuttle dot org. Every week we donate to

612
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<v Speaker 2>a foundation of the ologists choosing and this one was

613
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<v Speaker 2>very easy. Merlin Tuttle has been working for fifty years

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<v Speaker 2>to help in back conservation and Merlin Tuttle dot org

615
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 2>is an amazing resource. So a donation for last week's

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<v Speaker 2>episode and this week's episode will go to Merlin title

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<v Speaker 2>dot org. And there are sponsors who make those donations possible,

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<v Speaker 2>so you may be hearing a few words about them. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>back to your questions about community science programs. I need

620
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<v Speaker 2>Williams and some others wanted to know what's the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing that community citizen scientists can do to support back conservation.

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<v Speaker 4>The first thing you do is help your neighbors and

623
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<v Speaker 4>friends get over unfounded fears of bats. There's the mind

624
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<v Speaker 4>to killer. The single most prevalent reason that I have

625
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<v Speaker 4>seen worldwide for destroying large numbers of bats is fear.

626
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<v Speaker 4>I've got pictures of piles of batbones in a cave

627
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<v Speaker 4>in Mexico that where the owner had sealed it shut

628
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<v Speaker 4>with hundreds of thousands inside. I have been at places

629
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 4>where millions were burned in caves by just putting old

630
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 4>car tires in the entrance and dwsed in the kerosene,

631
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 4>lining it on fire. I was told by colleagues that

632
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<v Speaker 4>there's this beautiful bat cave in this place. I should

633
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 4>go there. If I went to Kenya. I went there

634
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.679
<v Speaker 4>and it had all been bulldozed over, and the owner said, well,

635
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, I built house just a quarter mile away,

636
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 4>and everybody told me that that if I didn't get

637
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 4>rid of those bats, they would move from the cave

638
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 4>into my house. Those bats would never cared a bit

639
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 4>about his house. He had stayed right in the cave.

640
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<v Speaker 4>But people, you know, just in the last couple of years,

641
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 4>it's even been on National Public Radio that bats are

642
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 4>arguably among the most dangerous animals on our planet. In

643
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:33.440
<v Speaker 4>an NPR story that's probably still there and can be

644
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 4>looked up, they report is almost a direct quote. When

645
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.159
<v Speaker 4>bats are flying overhead, beware that poop that falls on

646
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<v Speaker 4>your shoulder may be ebola. And not long after that aired,

647
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 4>I was down at the Congress Avenue bridge. A gal

648
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 4>saw me and realized that I probably knew something about bats,

649
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 4>and she was very concerned. They're there with their husband

650
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 4>and said, can you tell tell me, am I safe

651
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 4>kind of bat poop on me here? And I knew

652
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 4>she'd been listening to NPR radio and these wild stories

653
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 4>linking bets to every kind of conceivable dangerous thing. It

654
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 4>gets back in my opinion, well, It starts with the

655
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 4>fact that Raby's treatment is so lucrative. I mean, just

656
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 4>look at the difference of treeing a dog and a

657
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:29.960
<v Speaker 4>human right, I mean talk about lucrative.

658
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 2>So Merlin has a blog post about it, and he

659
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<v Speaker 2>says he usually loves NPR but was deeply, deeply disappointed

660
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<v Speaker 2>by this. And of course, once again, do you have

661
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 2>a job or pastime that involves encounters or permanent handling

662
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>of wildlife? Not a bad idea to get a Raby's vaccine.

663
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>We did cover Raby's stats, which are much lower than

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<v Speaker 2>public perception in part one, but these patrons asked about

665
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Raby's and rabies vaccines.

666
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<v Speaker 5>Paul D.

667
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Simmons, Margaret A. Backer, Reny, Emily Martinez, deb Nervous and

668
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Brandy Mandy Bender, mattz Clement, Kitlin O'Connell, Eric Mahanka, Sarah Greer,

669
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 2>don A Wald, Alissa Wearing Crisper, and Lauren Eggert Crowe

670
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<v Speaker 2>and I will repeat the disclaimer from part one. Doctor

671
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<v Speaker 2>Merlin Tittle reminds us he and other bat researchers, like vets,

672
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<v Speaker 2>they have received pre exposure vaccination against rabies that protects

673
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<v Speaker 2>against defensive bites from animals that they might handle who

674
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>are unfamiliar. Now unprotected people bitten by any animal should

675
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<v Speaker 2>seek advice regarding a possible need to be vaccinated or

676
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 2>have the animal tested for rabies. But Catherine Stacey asked,

677
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.159
<v Speaker 2>can the bats get the vaccine? Is there a bait

678
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 2>laced with raybies vaccine for bats like what's used for

679
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.039
<v Speaker 2>other wildlife such as foxes and raccoons. What's going on

680
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>with that? As someone asked about giving bat vaccines like

681
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>they might do without other wildlife, like if vaccinating bats

682
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>for rabies is even a thing that's worth looking into.

683
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<v Speaker 4>I was part of a discussion and actually have a

684
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 4>paper I believe in press now in which that is discussed.

685
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I happen to be one of there are several authors.

686
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm one that says I don't think it's worth it.

687
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, This next sunny or perhaps not so sunny question

688
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 2>was asked by Leanne Schuster, A zamb And Amelia Hines

689
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of well on that topic, A lot

690
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 2>of listeners have the question if you see a bat

691
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.079
<v Speaker 2>during the day, is it a bad sign?

692
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 4>Not necessarily depends on where the bat is. If the

693
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 4>bats hanging in a normal position, where that species lives.

694
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, I have plenty of times walked

695
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 4>under a tree, and I know what kind of leaves.

696
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 4>Bets that live under leaves like to hang on and

697
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 4>I'll look up, Oh there's a bat. Well that BET's doing.

698
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 4>He's perfectly normal. That's not a problem. Yeah. If the

699
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 4>bat is out on the ground or out where a

700
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 4>bird could easily catch it in the daytime, then that

701
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 4>bat is almost certainly sick. Now that doesn't mean he's rabid.

702
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Nine percent of such bats aren't rabid, but five percent are.

703
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 4>Most of the statistics you hear about rabies and bats

704
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 4>come from there. Taken from the Health Department only gets

705
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 4>suspect bats submitted. If the bat's not acting abnormally, it

706
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 4>doesn't get submitted. So this is like deciding what proportion

707
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 4>of Americans have cancer based on checking cancer clinics.

708
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that works. Now, the next question was asked by

709
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of you, and I mean approximately one million.

710
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<v Speaker 2>So I will say your name's with my mouth very fast.

711
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<v Speaker 2>This is a white hot topic.

712
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 5>It was right under our nosis.

713
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<v Speaker 2>Now, even though Merlin's a fun guy, I had to

714
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>ask him this tiny pummer white nose syndrome asked about

715
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>by Ruby Austrick, first time question asker, Jesse Spencer, Emily Jean,

716
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Alicia Giland Margaret Matera Bronwin, Trum McDonald, b and K Boys,

717
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Quentin McKenna, lurs and Jennifer Downey, Live Schaeffer, Samantha Bold,

718
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Pandora Two, Hannah M Childers, Acacia Sprague, Lauren Harder, Sarah Luchesi,

719
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Cassie Flint, Leah Wilbur and Ana Thompson, jcw Adam Weaver,

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00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>tanging At, Mandy Bender, Caitlin Fitzgerald, Roonda Grizzle, Madeline Rodgers,

721
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 2>who says, where is white nose syndrome the worst and

722
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 2>what species does it affect the most? And how bad

723
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 2>is it? What can we do? What's going on with

724
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.960
<v Speaker 2>white nose? And now when it comes to white nose,

725
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>what can be done to help them?

726
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.159
<v Speaker 4>The most important thing that could be done now to

727
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 4>help bats that have populations that have crashed because of

728
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 4>white nose syndrome is to help protect and restore more

729
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 4>roosting habitat, more habitat in general, but particularly roosting.

730
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Habitat and now roosting habitat that's the overnight sleepy.

731
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.400
<v Speaker 4>Time mostly where they hibernate.

732
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 5>Oh well, that was the next question. Do they eat

733
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 5>in winter? Do they hibernate?

734
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 4>The bats that have been hardest hit by white nose

735
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:06.079
<v Speaker 4>indrome are bats that hibernate in caves all winter. There's

736
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.880
<v Speaker 4>very little food in a temperate zone from you know,

737
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 4>you might get away with staying active in the winter here,

738
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 4>but you go a little bit north of here and

739
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 4>throughout most of the United States and Canada, there are

740
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 4>no insects available to eat at night, so you have

741
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 4>to either migrate south for the winter or hibernate in

742
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 4>a cave. And the biggest losses of all time have

743
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 4>occurred when their hibernating caves were destroyed and are disturbed.

744
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 4>And here's the problem. Years ago, I know evenly would

745
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 4>say the cavers. What's the problem with saving less than

746
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 4>one percent of caves for bats, leaves all the rest

747
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 4>for you. Well, it's not quite that way. We humans

748
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 4>want the same caves that the bats want, So we're

749
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 4>competing for the one percent that have gigantic entrances, huge passages,

750
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 4>multiple you know, complexity. Those are the first ones that

751
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 4>we humans want, and so many huge numbers of our

752
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.679
<v Speaker 4>us baths were lost before anybody even reported that they

753
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 4>were present.

754
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that can be done to medicate them

755
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>at all? Or to medicate yeah, can you give them

756
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 2>anti fungal No?

757
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:32.119
<v Speaker 4>No, okay, I'm absolutely adamant about that. I believe that

758
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 4>more harm is being done than help in trying to

759
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 4>find a cure for white no syndrome.

760
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.159
<v Speaker 2>It's more just trying to recover the populations.

761
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Since since this began, there have been cures found. I mean,

762
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 4>I remember a rehaber that just mixed a dilute vinegar

763
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 4>and water mixture and could cure white no syndrome. But

764
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 4>when they banded all those baths and released them back

765
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.360
<v Speaker 4>in the while, they got in again and died. So

766
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 4>curing because you find something that'll kill the fungus is

767
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 4>not a cure that keeps you from getting reinfected. And

768
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:15.920
<v Speaker 4>even if you found something that would prevent reinfection, imagine

769
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.199
<v Speaker 4>trying to treat all the bats or the locations. There

770
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:25.320
<v Speaker 4>must be billions of locations infected with that fungus. Now,

771
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:30.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean, just Mammoth Cave alone, that used to house

772
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 4>many millions of bats, has more than four hundred miles

773
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.559
<v Speaker 4>of passages imagine treating all those with something that's going

774
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 4>to kill this fungus, and then understand that this fungus

775
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.400
<v Speaker 4>is only one of thousands of kinds of fungi, and

776
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 4>if you found something that would kill it, you might

777
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 4>cause a horrible problem chain reaction, destroying whole ecosystems that

778
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 4>we don't even know much about.

779
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, is the best course of action.

780
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 2>To let it run its course and make sure that

781
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>they have enough places to re and just repopulate.

782
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 4>If you go to my website again and look under

783
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 4>resources under white nose syndrome. I did a thorough investigation

784
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.360
<v Speaker 4>a few months ago of what has happened where it

785
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:18.760
<v Speaker 4>has passed over the last decade, and we're seeing clear

786
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 4>signs of recovery. Genetically resistant bats are apparently recovering.

787
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, that's promising. That's the good news, and so

788
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:33.119
<v Speaker 2>it's wonderful that we have Merlin going to bat for

789
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 2>these critters. I hate myself.

790
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:40.960
<v Speaker 4>I did find evidence that it's very interesting. There are

791
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.960
<v Speaker 4>colonies that have fully recovered that drop by at least

792
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 4>eighty percent when it passed that are now fully recovered.

793
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<v Speaker 4>The ones I'm thinking about, many of them have been

794
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 4>banded by researchers, and when they look for them, they

795
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 4>never find the hibernation. This means that those survivors are

796
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 4>doing so well, haven't had to put up with humans

797
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 4>trying to save them. Let me point out that before

798
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 4>white nose syndrome was a problem. I mean, I founded

799
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 4>the first two endangered species recovery teams for bats in America,

800
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 4>and we were adamant that nobody would go in disturb

801
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 4>bats during hibernation more than once every two years, even

802
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 4>to census for the government to tell how they're doing

803
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.519
<v Speaker 4>and retrospect. Now I think we should have made that

804
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 4>every three to five years, because I have again on

805
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 4>my website published resources about the cost of hibernation disturbance.

806
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 4>When you go into a cave and force about to

807
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 4>wake up out of hibernation in the wintertime, he burns

808
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 4>up on average thirty to sixty days worth of stored

809
00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 4>fat reserve. This fungus is killing bats because that makes them.

810
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 4>You know, like if you've ever had chiggers or poison ivy,

811
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 4>you don't sleep well at night, you wake up scratching. Well,

812
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.199
<v Speaker 4>that's what's happened to the baths. They're waking up out

813
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 4>of hibernation. It's very costly, and that's why they're coming

814
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.519
<v Speaker 4>out before spring. They're desperate, they're starving, and that's why

815
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.039
<v Speaker 4>they're dying. Well, imagine, once white nose syndrome came along,

816
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.519
<v Speaker 4>there were some places where researchers are going in there

817
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.960
<v Speaker 4>half a dozen times or more winter and sometimes spending hours.

818
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, and they're even more tired.

819
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 4>That would have been enough to knock the population that

820
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 4>cave out without any fungal problem.

821
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 2>So let those snoozy, little floppy faced fuzz puppets sleep people,

822
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.320
<v Speaker 2>get out of their beautiful vulvenoses, let them catch some sease.

823
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.079
<v Speaker 4>Evolution is going to play its course.

824
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense.

825
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.159
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know of any evidence yet that any

826
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 4>species is going to go extinct because of this, all

827
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 4>the ones I know of where it's passed by far

828
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.679
<v Speaker 4>enough we'll go to have an idea seem to be

829
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 4>hanging on. I won't call it thriving, but hanging on

830
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.039
<v Speaker 4>and showing signs now of recovery.

831
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<v Speaker 2>So if you're worried about about the bats, don't lose

832
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 2>all your sleep over just white nose.

833
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 4>White nose is only affecting right now less than a

834
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:29.840
<v Speaker 4>dozen species out of forty some species in the US.

835
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<v Speaker 4>They don't all have to hibernate in caves. Some species

836
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.800
<v Speaker 4>are actually probably benefiting because they don't have to compete

837
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.840
<v Speaker 4>with the ones that are dying from white nose syndrome.

838
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not going to say that's beneficial overall. The

839
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 4>good side may be that we have suddenly become much

840
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 4>more aware of bats and how harmful it could be

841
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.119
<v Speaker 4>to lose them, and more people have learned about bats

842
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 4>and care because of white nose syndrome. But I do

843
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 4>believe all the colonies that have been best monitored that

844
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:07.079
<v Speaker 4>I know of are starting to recover. That's good and

845
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 4>I'm very optimistic. One thing that I'm very concerned about

846
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 4>is working with sport cavers, who often discover old roosting

847
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 4>sites and caves that nobody else knows about. During this time,

848
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 4>government agencies have blanket told the cavers oftentimes they just

849
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 4>couldn't go caving, and I actually made enemies out of

850
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:37.599
<v Speaker 4>former allies. And we need those cavers out there telling

851
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.000
<v Speaker 4>us where our places are that we need to protect,

852
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 4>and often they're very happy to do it for us

853
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.599
<v Speaker 4>if we just cooperate with them Instead of just saying

854
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:49.719
<v Speaker 4>you can't go caving.

855
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Anymore, yeah, is to try to get them invested in

856
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>it as well. Merlin Tuttle, National treasure Skilled Diplomat. Now

857
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>on Merlin Tuttle dot org you can find a few

858
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 2>fifteen minute video titled the Power of Winning Friends and

859
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 2>not Battles Merlin Tuttle's conservation philosophy.

860
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 5>I love him. Have I mentioned he's an American hero?

861
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay? So it's dark and mysterious in caves, and how

862
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 2>do cavers tell if there have been past bat parties?

863
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 4>They stained the limestone, and you can tell by the

864
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.719
<v Speaker 4>contours and the stain on the limestone. You can actually

865
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 4>estimate roughly how many bats lived there in the past.

866
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:32.000
<v Speaker 4>And there are plenty of those places where bats could

867
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 4>be restored, even millions. And I personally have seen at

868
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:43.960
<v Speaker 4>least at least multi millions restored where there were none.

869
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, not multimillions in one cave, but like in

870
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.840
<v Speaker 4>one Tennessee cave it was down to sixty five gray

871
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.920
<v Speaker 4>bats and now it's up to a quarter million. There

872
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 4>are many encouraging instances where we can see that we

873
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.000
<v Speaker 4>are re estate bablishing hundreds of thousands of baths. It's

874
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 4>not all about millions dying. There are things that we

875
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 4>can do to restore habitat. We can put up bathouses

876
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 4>in our backyards, and we should be very concerned about

877
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 4>caves that can be restored. Years ago, when everybody was

878
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.199
<v Speaker 4>scared death of rabies, commercial cave owners and they don't

879
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 4>like call themselves commercial cave owners. They used to not

880
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 4>want any baths in their caves because people are so

881
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.639
<v Speaker 4>frightened and freaked out by them. But we have a

882
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 4>cave right here in North Austin now. It's a commercialized

883
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 4>tour cave and it's got quite a few hibernating baths

884
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.800
<v Speaker 4>in it that have learned to ignore people because it's

885
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 4>very well protected and nobody ever harms them. And people

886
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 4>walk right by within two meters of those baths and

887
00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:00.280
<v Speaker 4>the bats don't even pay any attention. And you know,

888
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 4>the bats are very good at adapting to us, if

889
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 4>we'll only adapt to get along with them. Right And

890
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 4>despite all this stuff about how bats are supposed to

891
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:14.599
<v Speaker 4>be such dangerous disease carriers, let me point out that

892
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 4>they have one of the world's finest track records. I

893
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 4>don't know if any animal has a finer track record

894
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.440
<v Speaker 4>than bats at living in close association with people without

895
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 4>causing human sickness.

896
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, And it's so cool to think that they might

897
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:29.400
<v Speaker 2>be all around us and we just don't get a

898
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 2>chance to necessarily see them. And Ryan and Jasmine want

899
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.599
<v Speaker 2>to know what material is closest to that of bat wings,

900
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 2>like how can you make a batsuit?

901
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:45.760
<v Speaker 4>I have seen comparisons in terms of strength where I

902
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.760
<v Speaker 4>think there's actually a medical doctor that wrote this said

903
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 4>that the average bat wing was nineteen times sturdier than

904
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.559
<v Speaker 4>a surgeon's glove. Oh my gosh, that's the best statistic

905
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 4>I can come up with on wings.

906
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 2>So I looked into it and there's skin that stretches

907
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 2>like a living drum between those gorgeous, freakishly long fashioned

908
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 2>model fingers. That's called a potassium or petasia plural, and

909
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.519
<v Speaker 2>it's two thin layers of skin with a last in

910
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 2>between it. Also Listener no Fundacal says she got slapped

911
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 2>once in the face by one and it felt leathery.

912
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why she calls herself no fundical

913
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 2>because that's a top notch story. Boy howdy, she's fine.

914
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 2>So moving on to things that are not excellent. What

915
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:36.880
<v Speaker 2>is something about bats or about your job that you

916
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:41.039
<v Speaker 2>really don't like? What sucks about being a chiropterologist?

917
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:41.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't like.

918
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:43.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what's the.

919
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Worst part about your job? The thing that you're like, oh, this, the.

920
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 4>Worst part is just I have founded more than one

921
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:57.719
<v Speaker 4>conservation organization and spent most of my life. You vowed

922
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 4>to that, And the worst part for me is day

923
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:09.239
<v Speaker 4>to day wanting to be sure that I find the

924
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.199
<v Speaker 4>financial resources to keep those good people that follow me

925
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 4>and want to help it's financially healthy and their families. Okay,

926
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 4>it isn't easy even now to raise money for bats.

927
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.880
<v Speaker 4>People and organizations will line up and compete with each

928
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:29.960
<v Speaker 4>other to protect cute things like pandas. And the crazy

929
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:35.039
<v Speaker 4>thing is there's nothing uncute about bats. It's just the belief.

930
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:40.599
<v Speaker 4>Here's another one of our craziest about humans. You know,

931
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 4>we perceive anything. The bigger the eyes, the more beautiful.

932
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 4>You don't want a very big nose, you don't want

933
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:49.559
<v Speaker 4>to be very heavy set.

934
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, quick aside. For more dirt on incredibly screwed

935
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.440
<v Speaker 2>up beauty standards, listen to the two part Coology episode

936
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.840
<v Speaker 2>with psychologist doctor Bene we did not discuss pandas in it,

937
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.400
<v Speaker 2>but it is otherwise very juicy and life changing.

938
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 4>What animal by those tokens should we dislike the most?

939
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.239
<v Speaker 4>The panda, elephants.

940
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:13.480
<v Speaker 2>The elephants, okay, I was saying, the panta is.

941
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:18.119
<v Speaker 4>A little Everybody loves elephants. And you want to know

942
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:22.360
<v Speaker 4>another interesting statistic, more humans are killed annually in the

943
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 4>United States by elephants than by.

944
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Bats by the bye. I looked up most deadly animals

945
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:34.159
<v Speaker 2>to humans, and the top two are mosquitoes and humans.

946
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Bats are like, don't look at me, man, I'm eating

947
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 2>the mosquitoes that are killing you. And I've never been

948
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.880
<v Speaker 2>caught up in a life insurance scandal that's on y'all.

949
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.079
<v Speaker 4>That just shows how rare it is for anybody killed

950
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 4>by bat.

951
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I think what you will do for bats is what

952
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 2>people did for whales in the seventies and elephants. I

953
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.840
<v Speaker 2>think that I think that your work alone may bring

954
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.119
<v Speaker 2>bats into human consciousness where they are not just to

955
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.159
<v Speaker 2>in October decal or decoration.

956
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:07.760
<v Speaker 4>You know, well, you know that's that's one of my

957
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 4>primary purposes and being a photographer until I learned to

958
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 4>take pictures of bats as they really are. You could

959
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 4>almost never see a picture of bat that wasn't snarling

960
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.639
<v Speaker 4>in self defense. You take a little bat whose head

961
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 4>is no bigger than my thumb, provoke him. He thinks

962
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 4>you're about to eat him. You take a picture, blow

963
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.159
<v Speaker 4>it up to page size. Looks like a saber tooth

964
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:34.760
<v Speaker 4>tiger on the attack. Who in the world wouldn't be

965
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:35.719
<v Speaker 4>afraid of this critter?

966
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And what kind of speeds do you have to use?

967
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 5>What kind of camera?

968
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.519
<v Speaker 2>What kind of speeds and lenses do you have to

969
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 2>use to get these gorgeous pictures?

970
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.159
<v Speaker 4>You don't have to take everything that fast, But now

971
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 4>I take almost all my pictures at least if they're

972
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.960
<v Speaker 4>flash pictures, they're taking it about a forty thousands of

973
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:53.480
<v Speaker 4>a second.

974
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:55.800
<v Speaker 5>Well, they're gorgeous.

975
00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:00.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, the pictures have been a major, major part of

976
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 4>the public turnaround when it comes to bats. Seeing is believing,

977
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.199
<v Speaker 4>hearing is not quite there.

978
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And now the best part of your job, your favorite

979
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:13.480
<v Speaker 2>thing about bats? Your favorite thing about your job.

980
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:18.760
<v Speaker 4>Anybody that associates with me would tell you loud and

981
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:23.400
<v Speaker 4>clear that I am a bat photography addict. I love

982
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 4>getting great pictures that nobody else has thought of getting,

983
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 4>And I will sit out for seemingly endlessly waiting for

984
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:43.280
<v Speaker 4>something to happen, and usually it's for the purpose of

985
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:47.079
<v Speaker 4>promoting conservation. Everybody knows. I'll spend ten times more time

986
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:49.119
<v Speaker 4>trying to get a good shot of a bat catching

987
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:53.159
<v Speaker 4>a insect that costs billions of dollars in crop losses

988
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.039
<v Speaker 4>as an insect that's just pretty or ugly or something.

989
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:01.400
<v Speaker 4>But people ask me what I do in my leisure time.

990
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.880
<v Speaker 4>I study beats and photographed baths for vacation time. I've

991
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 4>had a lifelong vacation.

992
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 5>That is the best.

993
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:19.199
<v Speaker 4>And one of my favorite things is developing, perfecting my

994
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 4>ability to change attitudes for the better for the environment,

995
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.719
<v Speaker 4>and that over time takes a lot of skill. Yeah,

996
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.039
<v Speaker 4>you learn to ask questions rather than debating people who've

997
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 4>done things you disagree with.

998
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:35.599
<v Speaker 2>I think you would have been a great politician, but

999
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you helped the bats instead.

1000
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:42.920
<v Speaker 4>Probably more productive. I didn't really say that.

1001
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 2>This has been just years in the making and quite

1002
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.880
<v Speaker 2>possibly my favorite conversation I've ever had. Thank you so

1003
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.400
<v Speaker 2>much for letting me come to your place, your roost here.

1004
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:58.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, you're very welcome, and just know that we didn't

1005
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 4>even cover a tenth of what should have been talked

1006
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.000
<v Speaker 4>about about bats. So if you get a big encore,

1007
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:05.639
<v Speaker 4>come on back. You'll be welcome.

1008
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>You do.

1009
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:06.800
<v Speaker 4>You a great job.

1010
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, doctor Tuttle. That's amazing. So there you have it.

1011
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Shamelessly ask the sharpest minds the dopiest questions because that

1012
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.360
<v Speaker 2>is how they learned, and people who love things want

1013
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:23.199
<v Speaker 2>to share those things. Now. Of course, follow Merlin Tuttle

1014
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>on all social platforms. He and his social media right

1015
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:29.960
<v Speaker 2>hand Teresa and Nikta, are both amazing. He is on

1016
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Twitter at Merlin's Bats, Instagram at Merlin Tuttle Photo, on

1017
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Facebook at Merlin Title Bat Conservation, and of course Merlin

1018
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:42.400
<v Speaker 2>tittle dot org has all those links. That website is

1019
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:46.119
<v Speaker 2>an incredible resource for photos of bats and articles and

1020
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:49.519
<v Speaker 2>blog posts for Merlin and future trips in the field

1021
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.400
<v Speaker 2>with him, so check that out. The worst thing about

1022
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.760
<v Speaker 2>his work, and he has drank out of cave puddles,

1023
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.199
<v Speaker 2>is making sure it's all funded, so of course a

1024
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.159
<v Speaker 2>second donation went to his organization for this episode. To

1025
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:04.639
<v Speaker 2>support you can go to Merlin title dot org. Now.

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01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Links for this episode are up at aliwar dot com.

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01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Slash ologies slash Chiropterrology, and there are links in the

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01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:14.159
<v Speaker 2>show notes that are also shirts and hats and tots

1029
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and Ologies merch available at aliwar dot com. Thank you

1030
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Shannon Feltis and Bonnie Dutch for managing that, and also

1031
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 2>check out their comedy podcast You Are That I spilled

1032
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.639
<v Speaker 2>maguts on their October twenty eighth Halloween episode, so get

1033
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:29.159
<v Speaker 2>all up in that. Thank you to admins of the

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01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Ologies podcast Facebook group, Aaron Talbert and Hinnalippo. Thank you

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01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 2>to all the Ologies transcribers helmed by Emily White. Transcripts

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01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and bleeped episodes are at aliwar dot com slash Ologies

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01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Dash Extras. There's a link in the show notes. Happy

1038
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:48.079
<v Speaker 2>birthday to gismologist Simon Yetch, just one of my favorite people.

1039
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for existing. Thank you to assistant editor Jared Sleeper

1040
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 2>of the mental health podcast My Good, Bad Brain and

1041
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.320
<v Speaker 2>the mustachioed bat, which I believe is a species of

1042
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.400
<v Speaker 2>bet Stephen Ray Morris of the per Cast Cat Pod

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<v Speaker 2>and the Dino Pod Sea Jurassic Right, who edits all

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<v Speaker 2>these pieces together each week And if you listen all

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<v Speaker 2>the way to the end, you know I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>a secret each week and this week. The secret is

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm recording these asides from a hotel room in Austin.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here shooting for CBS, and I'm pretty sad because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm gonna get to see Marlin again

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<v Speaker 2>while i'm here, but hopefully I'll be back in Austin soon. Austin,

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<v Speaker 2>You're a great town. What's up with that? Why are

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<v Speaker 2>you so good? This? Pretty?

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<v Speaker 5>People are nice?

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<v Speaker 2>Food is good.

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<v Speaker 5>It's got a bunch of antique malls.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, one more secret. I had fu today and it

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<v Speaker 2>was very onion heavy and I feel like my hands

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<v Speaker 2>still smell like onions, and I can't figure that out

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't eat the soup with my hands and

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<v Speaker 2>I've washed my hands several times. So I'm just alone

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<v Speaker 2>smelling like onions and a Hampton in in Texas, Google

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<v Speaker 2>and bat Dicks. This is the life I chose and.

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<v Speaker 6>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, next week, I'm not going to tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>the episode is, but I'm very stoked about it. Okay, Okay. Pacodermatology,

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<v Speaker 2>hobbiology or doo zoology. Lithology is technology, meteorology, metterntology, ethnology,

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<v Speaker 2>and seriology. Selenology.

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<v Speaker 1>Look it it's freaking facts.