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Speaker 5: Your host Double j host of Operation GCD, along with Nick,
Speaker 5: the host of The Occult Rejects for another Fridays.
Speaker 3: How you doing, Nick?
Speaker 6: What's going on? Sir?
Speaker 3: Doing well? Good sir?
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining me here as always for another Friday.
Speaker 5: Is always a good time linking up here to talk
Speaker 5: whatever conspiracy culture topics we got on deck here tonight
Speaker 5: along with our guests. Justin, host of Prometheus Lens Podcast.
Speaker 5: How you doing, sir?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. Thank you boys for having me.
Speaker 3: Of course absolutely joined us.
Speaker 5: I've only recently been introduced to your podcast and even
Speaker 5: more recently been introduced to your book that apparently you
Speaker 5: just recently published, The Epic of Esau right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's been off about a month now.
Speaker 8: Nice, awesome, awesome. Something I didn't want to ask you
Speaker 8: just real quick. I'm so sorry, jjy.
Speaker 6: And what made you pick your the name to your pumpkins?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I've always been a kind of a deep thinker with
Speaker 7: the whole symbolism and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And when I read.
Speaker 7: Joseph Campbell's book The Hero of a Thousand Faces, that
Speaker 7: really opened up a lot of doors for me, and
Speaker 7: I've seen things in a whole new light. And he
Speaker 7: talked about the hero's journey, and that's kind of what
Speaker 7: I coined the show.
Speaker 2: You know, I say, it's the hero's journey. You have
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 7: Into the unknown and slay the dragon and rescue the
Speaker 7: damsel and hoard up the treasure, and then you come
Speaker 7: out on the other end as a hero. But in
Speaker 7: all those Greek stories, you acquire this this prize of
Speaker 7: great wealth, this.
Speaker 2: Boon, but then you have to.
Speaker 7: Come back to humanity and share that prize of great
Speaker 7: well and start someone else on their hero's journey. So
Speaker 7: it's all about that. So you know, Prometheus, he was
Speaker 7: the the guy that stole the fire and shared it
Speaker 7: with humanity, and so it's it's the whole stealing of
Speaker 7: the fire and sharing it with humanity.
Speaker 8: It's kind of like what I get at when I say,
Speaker 8: like my experience is fucking with magic and Christ and
Speaker 8: the Abyss. It's not like these experiences aren't to come
Speaker 8: back to use it, manipulate and mind fuck people and
Speaker 8: make money.
Speaker 6: It's actually share my experience. That's kind of what I say.
Speaker 8: I've always I've always called the hero's journey basically a
Speaker 8: nice long tail explaining crossing the Abyss.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And that's one of those things, you know,
Speaker 7: whether whether you realize it or not, everybody is on
Speaker 7: the hero's journey. You know, we all have a call
Speaker 7: to adventure. It's just whether we accept that call to
Speaker 7: adventure or sit on the couch and deny it. But
Speaker 7: we all have that opportunity.
Speaker 6: Yes, I agree, we will.
Speaker 3: Do I did.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize there was a comparison between cross and
Speaker 5: the Abyss and the Hero's journey I'm familiar with. You think, yeah,
Speaker 5: you think there's some strong correlations there.
Speaker 6: Oh, for sure, I think yeah.
Speaker 7: Tomato tomato, you know what you call it, you know,
Speaker 7: sure verbiage.
Speaker 3: Well, I was wondering, was Joseph Campbell and the cult
Speaker 3: is who? You know? Told that in more of a
Speaker 3: fictional kind of you know setting.
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 7: He was definitely not a Christian, but he was talking
Speaker 7: about how you have this trope throughout history, and he
Speaker 7: was talking about all the different dying and resurrecting gods
Speaker 7: and how you always have this archetype. How you have
Speaker 7: this foundling, someone that doesn't realize who they are, and
Speaker 7: there's someone special, whether they're a prince or a queen,
Speaker 7: and they've been raised by someone that's not their father,
Speaker 7: you know, and they don't know who they are, and
Speaker 7: then they get this call to adventure by a wise
Speaker 7: sage and they go into the unknown on this adventure
Speaker 7: and they rise back to power and the redemption the
Speaker 7: Lion King. All these stories had this same plot line
Speaker 7: and twists. So that's what he was calling it, you
Speaker 7: know that it was the Hero of a Thousand Faces.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And if I'm not mistaken. George Lucas was such
Speaker 5: a fan he had him on the set of Star Wars.
Speaker 5: There you'll see that Sam Spree you just described in
Speaker 5: the story of Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 7: And that's why it was so successful, because he had
Speaker 7: all the archetypes and storylines, plots and twists of Joseph
Speaker 7: Campbell's story in there.
Speaker 5: No, for sure, it's well well well written, characters well developed,
Speaker 5: for sure, and Campbell kind of built upon Young's archetypt types, right,
Speaker 5: I mean that's a lot of yes, kind of the
Speaker 5: got the kind of the the godfather of you will
Speaker 5: of archetypes.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 5: I mean it is interesting, yeah, stories you see it
Speaker 5: play out. I mean obviously in these days here in
Speaker 5: a post mean world twenty twenty four is left to
Speaker 5: call it, where things were used to be memes are
Speaker 5: now reality. I mean you see these things in fiction
Speaker 5: working out in reality and vice versa. So you know, Campbell,
Speaker 5: does you know? It was really enlightening to me too
Speaker 5: when I read that stuff from Campbell about how these
Speaker 5: things play out, all these stories about history.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, C. S.
Speaker 2: Lewis too.
Speaker 7: I like how he said it, because you know, Campbell
Speaker 7: was not a Christian.
Speaker 3: But C. S.
Speaker 7: Lewis was a Christian, and because even in the Heroes
Speaker 7: of a Thousand Faces, he said that, you know, Christ
Speaker 7: was another one of those tropes and another one of
Speaker 7: those archetypes. He was just another one of those, you know,
Speaker 7: heroes of a thousand faces.
Speaker 3: But C. S.
Speaker 7: Lewis said that Christ was the myth that became fact,
Speaker 7: and he had a whole storyline and twist of that too.
Speaker 7: And Louis Marcos he's a Greek philosopher and scholar. He
Speaker 7: actually wrote a book called The Myth Made Fact and
Speaker 7: kind of dived into C. S. Lewis's work and stuff
Speaker 7: on that. But his was kind of in your face,
Speaker 7: you know when you read that the line in the
Speaker 7: Witch and the Wardrobe, the lion that sacrifices himself and
Speaker 7: resurrects you know, I mean that that's pretty obvious and
Speaker 7: in your face there that wasn't too esoteric.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not familiar with with the stories and the books.
Speaker 5: I never really read them. With it when I was
Speaker 5: a child, I related it too much to the Wizard
Speaker 5: of Oz, you know, which is and lions and stuff.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm out on both of these, which
Speaker 5: is your lines in my life? So, uh, do you
Speaker 5: cover this on Justin? Do you cover this on Prometheus
Speaker 5: Lens or you know, are these some of the topics
Speaker 5: you cover there?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Uh, that's the thing. It's it's a it's a huge
Speaker 7: gambit of things. I tell everybody, it's everything from from
Speaker 7: Jesus to Aliens, to the Bible, to conspiracy theories to archetypes.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: I even had a show that was just on archetypes
Speaker 7: that went through Disney characters and popular books and uh,
Speaker 7: Carl Jung's archetypes and and things like that.
Speaker 2: So it's it's a wide gam but of things.
Speaker 7: It's all about the the hero's journey and looking into
Speaker 7: things and from a different perspective and self growth and
Speaker 7: things like that. So it's a large gambit of things.
Speaker 5: Nice and your most your most recent effort is The
Speaker 5: Epic of Es.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's my first book.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: Uh, I tell people I was a wild child man
Speaker 7: of people that knew me growing up, I was in
Speaker 7: and out of jail on drugs and wild man. I
Speaker 7: was never a studious guy. I never liked to read.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: It was like in twenty twelve, man, a switch flipped
Speaker 7: in me and I just started reading all the time
Speaker 7: and studying stuff. And so if you talk to somebody,
Speaker 7: you know, back in my high school days and said,
Speaker 7: oh yeah, Justin's gonna you know, read thousands of books
Speaker 7: and do a podcast and talk about all this you know,
Speaker 7: cool stuff and write a book. They laugh, you know,
Speaker 7: and I laugh at them too. Sure it's something I
Speaker 7: never thought I would do.
Speaker 6: He would be liked up. He ain't doing that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: If he's alive, he'll be in prison.
Speaker 3: Went abouts in twenty twelve and was did you did
Speaker 3: you meet this revelation?
Speaker 7: Honestly, I was, you know, doom scrolling one day and
Speaker 7: I stumbled across you guys for me with Trey.
Speaker 2: Smith from God in a Nutshell.
Speaker 3: Not him.
Speaker 7: I actually just stumbled across him on YouTube and he
Speaker 7: was talking about falling angels coming down and breeding with
Speaker 7: the daughters of men and creating these hybrid you know,
Speaker 7: these hybrid nephilim giants, and that they corrupted the land
Speaker 7: and that they were you know, cannibalism and they were
Speaker 7: eating the people and corrupting the land and doing.
Speaker 2: All this stuff.
Speaker 7: And that's why it got so bad that God had
Speaker 7: to bring the flood and talking about aliens and demons
Speaker 7: just all this you know, crazy stuff, and uh, all
Speaker 7: this stuff that he says that was.
Speaker 2: In the Bible.
Speaker 7: And I was like, man, this dude's crazy. You know,
Speaker 7: I'm from East Tennessee. I'm from East Tennessee. You know
Speaker 7: it's the Bible Belt. You know, I was raising the
Speaker 7: church from the time I was a little boy. I
Speaker 7: thought I knew these stories in the Bible really well.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, this dude's full of crap. So I
Speaker 7: started pulling out my Bible. I started looking through this stuff,
Speaker 7: and man, sure enough, all that stuff was right there
Speaker 7: the whole time. It was just I was I fell
Speaker 7: victim to the Mandela effect.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: I relied too heavily on the teachings of my pastor
Speaker 7: and the people that was telling me these stories, and
Speaker 7: I wasn't looking into myself. So I was like my
Speaker 7: curious mind. Man, I was like, I have to know.
Speaker 7: So I just started this journey, you know, this hero's journey.
Speaker 2: Man, I have to know.
Speaker 5: That's awesome now, I tell you know what you mean there,
Speaker 5: because I actually came to it different route. Similar revelations
Speaker 5: around the same time. They're in twenty twelve. Looking back,
Speaker 5: I think I told Nick this story one day recently
Speaker 5: when we were Frisbee golfing.
Speaker 3: I was down.
Speaker 5: I was down passing through Nick's neck of the woods,
Speaker 5: down not far from Tennessee, North Carolina. There we're introduced
Speaker 5: them to frisbee golf. Not sure I love it, but yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's big here too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was.
Speaker 7: A Carolina I'm right on the edge of East Tennessee
Speaker 7: and western North Carolina. I'm like, uh, actually, I'm like
Speaker 7: one hour away from Ashville.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, how far from Nashville itself?
Speaker 2: The Ashville Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: But you are you in Tennessee?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 6: Where? Where do you live? Actually?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm like right on the eastern tip of Tennessee,
Speaker 7: like Greenville.
Speaker 6: Okay, I's fucked up. I'm in Greenville, North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Greenville.
Speaker 2: That's funny. But mind you just add an extra e.
Speaker 2: It's g r E E n E.
Speaker 3: Alright, I got you the British spelling.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but yeah, So I was telling Nick, I
Speaker 5: was like, looking back at this whole conspiracy culture idea
Speaker 5: of the end of the world in twenty twelve, right,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Yeah, you may have some
Speaker 5: some particular views from it from a more Christian perspective.
Speaker 5: I grew up Mormon technically, you know, Christians, but you know, well,
Speaker 5: you know, when when Joseph Smith's the number one character
Speaker 5: in your religion, it's you know, not really Jesus Christ
Speaker 5: is kind of you know, coming second, right, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. So they call themselves Christians, right, And
Speaker 5: technically then there's a guy near the planet Cola. But
Speaker 5: that's a different story altogether. So I don't want to
Speaker 5: get into those dase dynamics necessarily. But what I'm saying
Speaker 5: is you probably have a different perspective, is you know,
Speaker 5: with this whole end of the world stuff and in
Speaker 5: apocalyptic fashions or the term apocalypse and whatnot, because you know,
Speaker 5: the whole, the whole everyone was gonna everyone was saying
Speaker 5: back in twenty twelve, you know, the Mayan calendar nonsense
Speaker 5: that got heavily perpetrated through well financed shows on television
Speaker 5: by the way, you know, freaking people out on that
Speaker 5: whole nonsense. But nonetheless, like that was December twenty first, right,
Speaker 5: it was the solstice that's supposed to occur. And I
Speaker 5: just looking back I think it's kind of funny because
Speaker 5: December fourteenth, twenty twelve, was a very revelatory, you know
Speaker 5: time for me. The you know, very very much like
Speaker 5: an apocalyptic event in my life, which just you know,
Speaker 5: suddenly I was struck with not understanding anything and wanting
Speaker 5: to understand everything kind of deal. And that was after
Speaker 5: watching the the school shooting there in Connecticut, right, and
Speaker 5: I hail from that region of Connecticut, so you know,
Speaker 5: it was very compelling. You know when I when I
Speaker 5: first saw it, and I as a served twenty years
Speaker 5: in Air Force Military Police and I was serving at
Speaker 5: the time, and you know, I nothing sat round with me,
Speaker 5: you know, immediately upon watching that stuff on the TV,
Speaker 5: so you know, I was immediately in a you know,
Speaker 5: in a different world.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of people did, man, A lot of
Speaker 7: people that I talked to. Twenty twelve was just like
Speaker 7: a nape of the switch for a lot of people. Man,
Speaker 7: seems like, I hate to use the new agey you
Speaker 7: know turn, but it's like the Great Awakening kind of.
Speaker 3: Thing, right right, Well, yeah, and.
Speaker 7: He'll Billy Marky Mark. Yeah, the Twain gave it away, man,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 5: And like an ancient Greek apocalyptic kind of sense, you know,
Speaker 5: the revelation of like, you know, kind of of everything, right.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know what your kind of thoughts
Speaker 5: on the apocalypse are. I know again he said, you know,
Speaker 5: being in the Bible Belt, the term apocalypse can mean
Speaker 5: some real fire and brimstone type of stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, one thing that's pretty crazy. It's kind of relevant.
Speaker 7: And I just did a show recently with with a
Speaker 7: Gal that I'll be releasing in a.
Speaker 2: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 7: But twenty twenty five, man, you know, I mean, I
Speaker 7: hate those I'm not setting dates. I'm not a date setter,
Speaker 7: and you know, yeah, but twenty twenty five, it is
Speaker 7: going to be a crazy year. And especially like when
Speaker 7: you look at prophecy, the Bible and even like science
Speaker 7: and stuff like the text at cumeron the scenes, they
Speaker 7: had their own calendar and they said that twenty twenty five,
Speaker 7: you're coming into the Final Jubilee.
Speaker 2: You know, Jubilee is fifty.
Speaker 7: Years and they think that that they divided history up
Speaker 7: in ages, and they said that we are now in
Speaker 7: the Final Age, and that at every age in the
Speaker 7: Final Jubilee there was some kind of earth shaking you know,
Speaker 7: event that happened. So the end of the first age
Speaker 7: was the flood, the second one was the come or
Speaker 7: actually the Tower of Bible, and then the next one
Speaker 7: was the coming of Christ in the destruction of the Temple.
Speaker 7: And this final one, you know, it's up for grabs
Speaker 7: what it's going to be. But in Revelation you hear
Speaker 7: about uh, one of the seals this uh it sounds
Speaker 7: like an asteroid coming and it's called wormwood and it
Speaker 7: says that you know, wormwood hits the Earth and a
Speaker 7: third of the forests are burned, a third of the
Speaker 7: waters are spoiled, and all this stuff. And it puts
Speaker 7: it right smack dab in the middle.
Speaker 6: Is the tribulation that's the moon from Mars? Is that
Speaker 6: the same on or is that a different one?
Speaker 2: Because it might be a different one.
Speaker 7: But because we don't know what it is, that it
Speaker 7: just it describes it in the Book of Revelation. It
Speaker 7: sounds you know, like a oh, that's yeah. But back
Speaker 7: a few years ago, NASA announced and it leaked, Okay,
Speaker 7: it wasn't supposed to get out. It leaked that they
Speaker 7: had found an asteroid on a collision course for Earth.
Speaker 7: And this was probably around two thousand, somewhere between twenty
Speaker 7: twelve twenty fifteen, and that it was going to hit
Speaker 7: Earth and it was going to be like a world killer, right,
Speaker 7: and it leaked. People start freaking out, well like the
Speaker 7: next day, and they said that they named it a Pofos,
Speaker 7: and a Popos is a name of an Egyptian chaos god. Yes,
Speaker 7: mean he's talking a Meani knows about it. And this
Speaker 7: chaos dragging god in the Egyptian lord chased the sun
Speaker 7: and would try to devour the sun.
Speaker 2: It was a sun eater.
Speaker 7: And so it's crazy that they named this comet that
Speaker 7: was on a collision course for Earth a Pofos, And
Speaker 7: so it leaks out right now. The next day they
Speaker 7: come out and say, oh, it was a mistake.
Speaker 2: Yes, there is.
Speaker 7: A comet coming our way, and we named it a
Speaker 7: pof But our mathematicians made a mistake. And it's gonna
Speaker 7: come by us, and in twenty twenty five we'll be
Speaker 7: able to visually see it with the naked eye, but
Speaker 7: it's not gonna be it's not gonna be nowhere near
Speaker 7: close enough to hit us.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a near miss.
Speaker 7: But it's funny that after that happens, Donald Trump gets elected,
Speaker 7: Space Force is initiated. Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk. Everybody's obsessed
Speaker 7: with getting back out into space again. I think we
Speaker 7: have a whole Armageddon type thing going on.
Speaker 6: Do you think Judge in that movie that's a spaceless.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I don't know, but I just thought that was crazy
Speaker 7: that that happened. Then they at now Bezos and elon SpaceX.
Speaker 7: We're suddenly all we're obsessed with getting.
Speaker 2: Out into space.
Speaker 7: And I thought about that movie Armageddon where they launch
Speaker 7: out and they land on this asteroid and try to
Speaker 7: blow up the smither rings to keep it from hitting Earth.
Speaker 3: This is say the day.
Speaker 8: This may sound like silly, but I have started to
Speaker 8: question because of like just seeing certain things with the
Speaker 8: asteroids even matching, like certain people's names that are getting popular,
Speaker 8: or just weird shit coming after they announce them. I
Speaker 8: have one in my opinion, I do think NASA is
Speaker 8: just all. I think if you're an occultist and you've
Speaker 8: had a magical experience, you might have someone of an
Speaker 8: idea what they're actually showing you and telling you.
Speaker 6: It's completely coded and deeply occult. I think that's just
Speaker 6: my age.
Speaker 8: I do think when they tell you about these meteors,
Speaker 8: that foreshadowing what is about to come, or something's about
Speaker 8: the kick off, or things are about to change, like
Speaker 8: or something's in a working because like you go all
Speaker 8: right about that, and like even we had that Rex
Speaker 8: eighty four come and all of a sudden, we had
Speaker 8: like tons of weird a true crime and just weird
Speaker 8: shit going on, and like you know, go go beach,
Speaker 8: all of a sudden popped back up out of nowhere
Speaker 8: and the guy's Rex. You know when there's there's even
Speaker 8: Rex is even uh in the ot?
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 8: Oh if you get to I think like a certain degree,
Speaker 8: Rex is part of your name, which is King, you know,
Speaker 8: so just to me, so you're wondering, like what's going
Speaker 8: on here with these names and the numbers, and why
Speaker 8: is shit seems to get weird After you talk about
Speaker 8: some asteroid and meteor that's in the sky, they kind.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, well, I tell you agree there, tell you
Speaker 3: about it. Oh what's that? Go ahead?
Speaker 7: Justin even with the Friday the thirteenth, because with the
Speaker 7: dates and stuff that they give for this a pofos
Speaker 7: uh they said that you know in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7: We're supposed to be able to visually, you know, see
Speaker 7: it with the naked eye or with a telescope. But
Speaker 7: they predicted, the mathematicians that it was supposed to hit Earth.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to think April Friday the thirteenth, in April,
Speaker 7: I think of twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 3: April thirteenth, twenty twenty nine. Yep.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so yeah, it's pretty interesting. So a lot
Speaker 7: you know, biblical prophecy people are saying, well, Wormwood's right
Speaker 7: in the middle of the tribulation. So if we take
Speaker 7: that date and back up three and a half years,
Speaker 7: then boom, we have the beginning of the Great Tribulation,
Speaker 7: you know, and things. So, I mean it's it's interesting
Speaker 7: to say the least.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, it's certainly interesting because we do, as
Speaker 5: Nick was pointing out, we put a lot of money
Speaker 5: to these programs from tax paying public, you know, the
Speaker 5: NASA and you know Space Force, and I just with
Speaker 5: the way I look at all these things with spaces, yes,
Speaker 5: I think it's deeply o cult stuff, ocultism stuff, because
Speaker 5: you know, on a surface level, just with the names.
Speaker 5: But also I mean every aspect of space seems to
Speaker 5: be that with all these ancient alien cargo cults. I mean,
Speaker 5: look at the Heaven's Gate Colt. They were going to
Speaker 5: jump a ride on a comet, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: They got on the roads and the nikes to do it.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go ahead, no goohead.
Speaker 8: Something I wanted to add before we get We got off.
Speaker 8: Pulfos stuck on it stuff. Fun fact. I don't know
Speaker 8: if it's true, but it's you know, supposedly. The word
Speaker 8: around the street is that when Churchill started using the
Speaker 8: peace sign, Crowley gave him that as the sign of
Speaker 8: a pfos.
Speaker 3: Oh well that's interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to defeat.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that that.
Speaker 8: You mean, these are actually in the end, the the
Speaker 8: the ritual of the hexagram, the less the ritual of
Speaker 8: the hexagram.
Speaker 6: You'll do the symbols of the l v X, and
Speaker 6: one of them is like this, and.
Speaker 8: Then you go like you make a swasticker to show
Speaker 8: the morning of isis and then to show the rising
Speaker 8: of the beasts, you make that. And Crowley was telling
Speaker 8: him that with trump the swasticker. But I mean you're
Speaker 8: using all those things in some ritual that was prior
Speaker 8: to World War Two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he very much popularized the you know, the peace
Speaker 5: symbol to Churchill did, and that was he was big
Speaker 5: on the media campaigns with some of that stuff. Uh
Speaker 5: you know, the whole whatever that is they make those shirts,
Speaker 5: uh whatever. There was all political you know, popularized sign
Speaker 5: that's now a popular shirt these days.
Speaker 3: Eat eat you know, uh, some work on or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5: It was good folks to go back to work during
Speaker 5: while they're getting actively bombed by not you know.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Churchill was good at their there
Speaker 3: you go. Yeah, yeah, the that's interesting.
Speaker 5: You know, I've long assumed Churchill was in some some
Speaker 5: occult behavior just based on the Society of Cincinnati membership.
Speaker 6: That's word on the street. It is interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think there's a lot of occult stuff
Speaker 5: going on here with these I mean in in various
Speaker 5: I think rituals, varying sizes and shapes, very you know
Speaker 5: folks that do it. Because yeah, there's not an aspect
Speaker 5: like looking when I look back at like all these
Speaker 5: space programs and just the idea of rockets and the
Speaker 5: idea of space travel.
Speaker 3: They came from science fiction writers who were all.
Speaker 6: With Coultar rockets j.
Speaker 3: Parsons, Jack Parts.
Speaker 5: You know, they're friends with l Ron Hubbard, right, this
Speaker 5: is you know, these are the people like not not
Speaker 5: Jules Verne. I guess you could technically say he was
Speaker 5: the first guy to write about, you know, space travel,
Speaker 5: but it was really Arthur C. Clark, Isaac Asimov. These
Speaker 5: guys are part of the the sci fi writers Club
Speaker 5: of l Ron Hubbard. You know, these were they, you know,
Speaker 5: according to their editor of that club fell upon him
Speaker 5: of Forrest Ackerman. He he says, they were all they
Speaker 5: were all doing Jack's thing, the OTO, and then l
Speaker 5: Ron created a new thing, and they're all doing Elron's thing.
Speaker 5: So seemingly they went from OTO to scientology. But what
Speaker 5: I'm saying is this whole they're clearly a cultist within
Speaker 5: this group, and which is why I found it strange.
Speaker 5: During the Apollo eleven launches, they would have those two
Speaker 5: men on TV being like the I don't know, the
Speaker 5: scientific advisor to the launch on Life TV. One was
Speaker 5: on like ABC, I think, another on NBC. Isaac asim
Speaker 5: Off and Arthur C. Clark. Consequently enough, both men have some
Speaker 5: real dealing issues around them too. By the way, that
Speaker 5: whole group does he's some of the problems on above
Speaker 5: the Nazis.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Justin, I was.
Speaker 7: Just gonna say a guy, it's a buddy of mine
Speaker 7: that he's were probably asking really good conversations with and
Speaker 7: thoroughly enjoy Uh. Tim Constantine from sixth Century Podcast. I've
Speaker 7: had him on the show and talking about Nazi Germany
Speaker 7: and occultism, and he's really big into the stuff that
Speaker 7: you're talking about. And he was talking one of the
Speaker 7: shows I had. Yeah, that's what he was talking about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm actually went on. Yeah, he's a cool dude and.
Speaker 7: All the occult sex, magic and stuff going on, even
Speaker 7: with there's a lot of stuff with a nana going on.
Speaker 6: Oh that's what it was. He came on for a
Speaker 6: nana and all that and all that stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: had a month. Yeah, that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, you're very familiar with ancon Egypt, right, Justin.
Speaker 5: You know that's you said. You go into a lot
Speaker 5: of history and alternative history topics there. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 5: so you're familiar with the like they revered the obelisk
Speaker 5: in some sort of you know, almost sex magic kind
Speaker 5: of fashion.
Speaker 7: Right, it's the penis of Osiris.
Speaker 5: Right, right, but you can almost to me, I kind
Speaker 5: of look at that, and I look at these rockets
Speaker 5: right there, looked like big obelists that they they had
Speaker 5: a sex magic ritual to create the fuel to go
Speaker 5: in the rockets, right, So I just view it all
Speaker 5: as a one big sex magic ritual with a giant,
Speaker 5: giant dick statue they're just launching off into the ocean.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think I do think it is a
Speaker 5: very old kind of culty religion. When I say CULTI
Speaker 5: religion this you know, these these concepts of go back
Speaker 5: to ancon Egypt, I think with the same same concepts.
Speaker 7: Well yeah, and even that same circle of guys you
Speaker 7: were talking about, you know, uh an Alistair Crowley. They
Speaker 7: were obsessed with the ancient Egyptian you know, a culture,
Speaker 7: you know, the whole what was it that religion that
Speaker 7: he established?
Speaker 2: It was all about raw Oh wasn't it.
Speaker 7: That the Egyptian god Ra the alst Crowley was so
Speaker 7: upsetsed with?
Speaker 8: But I mean, this is my opinion, Horace, Rah and
Speaker 8: Taurus is all the same. Motherfucker's just a different time
Speaker 8: in the story.
Speaker 6: It's the hero at different times in his It's dirty.
Speaker 6: That's just my opinion, that's but yeah, it was. I
Speaker 6: don't know, you mean I know this. I actually was
Speaker 6: in the OTO for about six years.
Speaker 2: Well yeah I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was Horace.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's where you're pledging your allegiance.
Speaker 3: To mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Well that's even like the Masons.
Speaker 7: You know, I did some studying on them and uh
Speaker 7: actually uh read the I'm having a brain part now,
Speaker 7: but that big book from the thirties, uh, the Father
Speaker 7: of the Masons.
Speaker 5: Oh, the Secret Destiny of America.
Speaker 6: Morals and yes, I'm trying to think of all right.
Speaker 7: But they were talking about you know, the Scottish right
Speaker 7: and how you know, once you get into there and
Speaker 7: you realize, you know, the god you're worshiping, you know,
Speaker 7: is Lucifer the light Bearer, you know, and all the
Speaker 7: symbolism all going back to ancient Egypt. And even I
Speaker 7: read a book it.
Speaker 2: Was what is it back here?
Speaker 7: Fires in the Minds of Men and that was a
Speaker 7: good one. But it was talking about how the Revolutionary
Speaker 7: you know, the founding fathers you know, took the fires
Speaker 7: from the Revolutionary War, but they just they moved it.
Speaker 7: It went it was the fires from from bail and
Speaker 7: Egypt moving into the New world. And they carried that
Speaker 7: flame from that altar into the New world. And when
Speaker 7: you look at all the symbolism in the Capitol, all
Speaker 7: the pentagrams like you talked about. You have that big
Speaker 7: penis right in the middle of the.
Speaker 2: Washington d C.
Speaker 7: And you have the vaginal way going straight down to
Speaker 7: the Capitol, and the Capitol is the big dome. It's
Speaker 7: the womb of Isis, you know. And then certain times
Speaker 7: a day that shadow goes down through there and enters
Speaker 7: and penetrates the womb, impregnating the womb of Isis. You
Speaker 7: have the same thing in the Vatican. I mean, it's everywhere.
Speaker 3: Now, It really is. It really is.
Speaker 5: And you're talking about the layout of Washington d C.
Speaker 5: You're talking the Society of Cincinnati. They're the secret society
Speaker 5: that started America. They're also French. They're the ones behind
Speaker 5: the French Revolution. So Pierre la and Font was a Frenchman.
Speaker 5: He was over here helping design DC along with Washington
Speaker 5: and a couple others. But you know, and there's certainly
Speaker 5: a lot of mysterious occult stuff and architecture builds into
Speaker 5: t DC.
Speaker 3: There's zero question about that.
Speaker 5: But the one thing I like to say about George
Speaker 5: Washington's giant Dick statue is he didn't leave it. He
Speaker 5: didn't leave a note in as well, saying one hundred
Speaker 5: years you know, one hundred and twenty years from now,
Speaker 5: building a giant Dick statue in the middle of the Milwa.
Speaker 3: City, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it makes me question why do they do
Speaker 5: these things?
Speaker 3: Right? Like, what is this? What is the force behind
Speaker 3: these things? Right?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's the spirits or the you know,
Speaker 7: of the age and the pulling the strings of the puppeteers,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. And yeah, I know not
Speaker 7: everybody's a Christian, but you know, like from a Christian viewpoint, uh,
Speaker 7: And a lot of people don't realize. But it's there's
Speaker 7: many gods, you know. I know that some Christians that
Speaker 7: makes them, you know, recoil. But I mean, I'm sorry
Speaker 7: man that you need to read the book that you
Speaker 7: claim that is your book, because it says in there,
Speaker 7: you know, it says you will have no other gods
Speaker 7: before me. I am a jealous god, you know, and
Speaker 7: talking about not sacrificing to these other gods. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's repeatedly, repeatedly, over and over and over. And when
Speaker 7: you get into like Deuteronomy thirty two, for instance, that's
Speaker 7: a retelling of the Tower of Bibles.
Speaker 2: Because everybody gets.
Speaker 7: Hung up on the tongues being divided, But when you
Speaker 7: get in there, it says, not only was the tongues divided,
Speaker 7: it says the peoples the nations were divided amongst the
Speaker 7: sons of God. And in Hebrew that's the beneha Elohem.
Speaker 7: And every time that word is used, it's talking about
Speaker 7: divine beings. So when you get into Psalms eighty two,
Speaker 7: that's who, that's who they are talking about. It says,
Speaker 7: how long will you rule unjustly and show partiality to
Speaker 7: the wicked you desire to live the eternal life, you
Speaker 7: shall die and fall like any prince. It's talking to
Speaker 7: these rebellious sons of God that was ruling over the
Speaker 7: nations and accepted worship as God's and rebelled, And that's
Speaker 7: why you have so much wickedness in the world today
Speaker 7: and whispering in the ears of the world leaders and
Speaker 7: accepted worship, and that's why you have, you know, all
Speaker 7: this stuff, And when you go into Genesis when it
Speaker 7: lists in that out right there in Deuteronomy also it
Speaker 7: lists seventy and the septuagen lists seventy two nations. And
Speaker 7: when you go to Washington, when you look at that
Speaker 7: rotundra that you know, the what are they called the
Speaker 7: Popheosis of Washington.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Washington.
Speaker 7: He's sitting there and there's all these Greek gods with
Speaker 7: him and he's ascending to godhood. Well there's a bunch
Speaker 7: of stars around that too. A lot of people don't
Speaker 7: take the time to count that. There's seventy two stars
Speaker 7: there representing the seventy two sons of God, the Bena.
Speaker 2: High Elohem that God divided up.
Speaker 7: The land in the nations. So, I mean all that
Speaker 7: stuff is kind of hidden in there, right in plain slide.
Speaker 5: Now, they got some deep depicult especially Washington. He was
Speaker 5: he was definitely a cultist. There's no question of these things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: That was applies to what do you call it astronomy too,
Speaker 7: because you have what they call it the procession of
Speaker 7: the equinoxes, because when you look at that, it takes
Speaker 7: exactly seventy two years to move even one degree. So,
Speaker 7: I mean, there's so many layers to all these subjects
Speaker 7: that we were talking about tonight and that we're fascinated with.
Speaker 7: It's just you have to peel them back. I mean
Speaker 7: there's so many people that say, oh, no, it's this,
Speaker 7: or no it's it's that. No, man, it's this and that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: I mean, all this stuff is multi layered.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: You know, something I want to ask, just maybe both
Speaker 8: of your's opinion, I guess, is with when you're talking
Speaker 8: about gods, do you ever like sometimes I do wonder,
Speaker 8: like I will use nowadays as a perfect example, and
Speaker 8: in my opinion, people are very maybe nervous, scared or
Speaker 8: freed or uncertain of the future, and I really do
Speaker 8: think they're starting to worship politicians as an answer. Now,
Speaker 8: that's something that's such a god that is a human
Speaker 8: created themselves and not really a god, the only one
Speaker 8: because we believe that they are. You know, do you
Speaker 8: ever wonder if something like that where it's not even
Speaker 8: like some other just entit with the name, where it's
Speaker 8: they're actually just falling in love with things before God.
Speaker 3: You know, I think so.
Speaker 5: No, I totally agree with you, and that you actually
Speaker 5: kind of read in my mind that's what I was
Speaker 5: saying here with that's what I was going to say here.
Speaker 5: So there is a there's an element of America. You know,
Speaker 5: folks who run in America that revere George Washington as
Speaker 5: a cult leader, which is why in eighteen sixty five
Speaker 5: you see them sanctioning things like this. Again, George didn't
Speaker 5: leave that in as well, saying make me a god
Speaker 5: in the in the halls of Congress. So I think
Speaker 5: it's but I think it's an old you know, an
Speaker 5: old Uh, it's an old Roman. You know, God had
Speaker 5: you know, the state, the state head is your god.
Speaker 5: You know, the Caesar is the God.
Speaker 3: It's a known concepts just sometimes even older you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, even older?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's one of those things,
Speaker 7: you know. I mean you have people that just get
Speaker 7: so puffed up in their pride, and like you said,
Speaker 7: they think themselves as a god, and or they have
Speaker 7: people around them puffing them up, and they actually believe
Speaker 7: the lie eventually. And even with Donald Trump today, you know, uh,
Speaker 7: I voted for the man for the policy, but the
Speaker 7: first time. Yeah, But do I like the man personally? No,
Speaker 7: I mean I think he's pompous, you know, he lies
Speaker 7: you know, uh stretches the truth, and that's being nice
Speaker 7: about it.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, but it's like.
Speaker 7: The first go around, I was financially in a better
Speaker 7: position that I'd ever been in my life. Uh. Far
Speaker 7: as like a Christian the policy wise, you know, he
Speaker 7: was pro Christian policy. Whether he was you know, you know,
Speaker 7: acting christianly or not, I mean that that's beside the point. So,
Speaker 7: but there's certain people Christians and non Christians that paint
Speaker 7: him as a messiah. You know, he's the Savior, you know,
Speaker 7: and stuff like that, he can never do no wrong
Speaker 7: and things like that. I'm not in that camp. I
Speaker 7: don't put no man to that kind of status.
Speaker 5: That's a good point. So let's get down to brass
Speaker 5: text on that subject. Then, justin when is Donald Trump
Speaker 5: going to unleash the power of the ark of the
Speaker 5: Covenant that I saw at the end of Indiana Jones.
Speaker 8: He's not going to because he'll kill the Nazis and
Speaker 8: friends with them.
Speaker 5: Come man, the uh this is in his lake is
Speaker 5: mar al Ago? Did you all familiar with this one?
Speaker 5: Not James o'keef. It's the first picture that came up
Speaker 5: when I good with it. But the uh, the Ark
Speaker 5: of the Covenant a gold replica, well, a gold replica.
Speaker 5: I'd argue, maybe Donald Trump's got the real one. He's
Speaker 5: just kinda sitting out in plain sight.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's not biblically accurate.
Speaker 3: Okay, the the Governance is wrong. Okay, so Indiana Jones
Speaker 3: is wrong.
Speaker 7: Yes, I think I got a picture of it.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's maybe the one from the set he's
Speaker 3: got there.
Speaker 8: Then I had a guy on my show, uh Leon
Speaker 8: Southgate guy focks with Oregon, and he swears he thinks
Speaker 8: that the Ark of the Covenant was actually kind of
Speaker 8: like an orging chordia because like you can even create
Speaker 8: kind of the cloud that will show up that they say,
Speaker 8: like I think in the Bible.
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, Okay, let me pull it up here on Bigger,
Speaker 5: Bigger Shot.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of this.
Speaker 5: You'll have to tell us about this justin I'm interested
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 2: The guys the Mercy Seat of the Mercy my bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: When you go and you look at the descriptions of
Speaker 7: the Ark of the Covenant, you know it says the
Speaker 7: wings of the Cherubim come out, and that that God.
Speaker 2: Sits out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Perfect, it's a throne it's where God, you know, sits
Speaker 7: and the wings are the backrest.
Speaker 6: Y'all. Look at that trial. That's fucking sickest ship right there.
Speaker 2: I think that's more of a biblically accurate.
Speaker 6: More sense.
Speaker 8: Now I'm starting to wonder, like on tarot cars, those
Speaker 8: dudes after like they get off the chariot, they're sitting
Speaker 8: in something.
Speaker 6: I wonder if it's like more of like represented of
Speaker 6: representing that.
Speaker 7: And even the the Ezekiel visions where it talks about,
Speaker 7: you know, the chariot of God and the cherubim that
Speaker 7: are surrounding them, and you have the description of the
Speaker 7: four living creatures. You know, it says that it had
Speaker 7: the eyes round about and Hebrew word for eyes the
Speaker 7: eye ens. It can also be used to describe stars
Speaker 7: shining and limmering. So and when you look at the
Speaker 7: four living creatures, what are those? Those are the four
Speaker 7: cardinal points to the Babylonian zodiac, So that I think
Speaker 7: this is an astronomical type thing. And then when you
Speaker 7: go to Revelation where it talks about the throne of God,
Speaker 7: it says, you know, you had the throne in the center,
Speaker 7: and you had the four living creatures and then the
Speaker 7: twenty four elders around, so I think, like a thirty
Speaker 7: thousand foot view looking down. What is that trying to say.
Speaker 7: It's saying that God and it says that the Earth
Speaker 7: was his footstool, so you have the throne his feet
Speaker 7: on earth. So it's showing that that God is at
Speaker 7: the center of all time and space and matter and
Speaker 7: in control because his throne is in the center of earth.
Speaker 7: The twenty four elders represent the twenty four hours in
Speaker 7: a day, because even Jesus said in the New Testament
Speaker 7: is they're not twelve hours in a day. So that
Speaker 7: showed you they knew there was twenty four hours in
Speaker 7: a day. And then you had the four living creatures,
Speaker 7: which was the four cardinal points of the Babylonian zodiac,
Speaker 7: and that.
Speaker 2: That's that's space.
Speaker 7: So there's God's thrown in the center of all time,
Speaker 7: space and matter.
Speaker 5: Oh that's I've not these are all brand new concepts
Speaker 5: to you. I like it, not as much as I
Speaker 5: like the nuclear device that the I thought the Ark
Speaker 5: of the Covenant might be, or some sort of devastating
Speaker 5: weapon of mass destruction I'm sorry, and weapon of mass destruction,
Speaker 5: but I like I like this too, there.
Speaker 8: Would It makes you wonder because like in old depictions,
Speaker 8: you see a lot of gods will be sitting on chairs,
Speaker 8: but it's on the.
Speaker 3: Side throne, on the side.
Speaker 8: It's ever like that. It's ever from that angle. It's
Speaker 8: always just on the side of looks can chair. He is,
Speaker 8: I love that triangle. It's interesting.
Speaker 6: You brought up the eyes too. In the stars, you said,
Speaker 6: Eisen stars. That's some well.
Speaker 8: I mean I always get into like when when I fuck,
Speaker 8: you know, I fucked with magic, I always say that
Speaker 8: it starts off at the star, you know, and there
Speaker 8: is like whole thing with every man and every woman
Speaker 8: is a star. I mean, Craley says that, but uh,
Speaker 8: you know, before it turns into one eclips, this looks
Speaker 8: like a star.
Speaker 6: So that is interesting.
Speaker 7: And in the Bible all the angelic hosts are often
Speaker 7: referred to as stars. Like in the Book of Job
Speaker 7: when Job starts questioning God, you know, God finally gets
Speaker 7: fed up.
Speaker 2: Was he say? You know?
Speaker 7: He says, where were you when I hung the stars
Speaker 7: and did this and did that and then laid the foundations?
Speaker 7: Where were you when I did do this?
Speaker 2: Did that? He said?
Speaker 7: The morning stars, the sons of God saying for joy
Speaker 7: at the side of creation. So it's comparing the sons
Speaker 7: of God the angelic hoast to stars. And even in
Speaker 7: Ezekiel's vision, everybody talks about the wheels within wheels that
Speaker 7: they think is a u f O. It says in
Speaker 7: there too that the eyes were round about, stars were
Speaker 7: round about, and it's wheels within wheels.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: You take a time relaxed camera and look at the
Speaker 7: fixed north pole. That's exactly what you have. Wheels within wheels.
Speaker 8: It's like the offer them too, doesn't it kind of
Speaker 8: describe like that. It's like we had to offer him
Speaker 8: the angels, the offering him.
Speaker 4: Hm.
Speaker 8: They're like wheels, like wheels, and they all have eyes
Speaker 8: on the on the wheels too, rapping around it as
Speaker 8: they spin.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Ship dune yeah, orbs.
Speaker 5: I just think the the the the eye suggesting you
Speaker 5: were talking about their neck and the stars. I think
Speaker 5: that's a good, good jumping off point to get into
Speaker 5: some of the the mound stuff.
Speaker 3: Adjusted justin, Uh, it's deeply interesting.
Speaker 5: Because I'm I'm a big mound guy myself, or justin
Speaker 5: I've been studying the mounds for uh, well, my Mormons.
Speaker 5: So technically it's you know, kind of been embedded in
Speaker 5: my life most of the time. But I've been actively
Speaker 5: kind of after these mounds for about twenty some years.
Speaker 3: Now, close to it. But yeah, the er get into the.
Speaker 5: Religious kind of theology, you know, philosophies, but I'm familiar
Speaker 5: with it. And the one of your you were talking
Speaker 5: about before the show with the eyes and the and
Speaker 5: the stars, and again I forgiven for not remembering the name,
Speaker 5: because again I'm not good with those aspects of the mounds,
Speaker 5: not my approach to him, and not my interest necessarily,
Speaker 5: but I do find it fascinating. So because there obviously
Speaker 5: was a religious and ritual aspect of these mounds, right.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, because we were talking to pre roll.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: I had doctor Greg Little on the show, and we
Speaker 7: were talking about his book, uh, The Pathway of Souls,
Speaker 7: and he's a big mound expert. You know, he's been
Speaker 7: to probably every mound in North America or at least
Speaker 7: the documented ones at least, and uh so he's well
Speaker 7: versed on it and he's uh interviewed and talked to
Speaker 7: a lot of Native American elders and things like that.
Speaker 7: In his book, he talks about how the Native American
Speaker 7: rituals that they would do with these mounds, you know,
Speaker 7: these mounds is where they would bury their dead. And
Speaker 7: it said that when they would die, they would either
Speaker 7: like in the wintertime, they would hold the bodies back,
Speaker 7: you know, or bury them and regather the bones at
Speaker 7: a certain time, and they would wait till the stars,
Speaker 7: because the stars and constellations were a very important part
Speaker 7: to the pathway of souls and making sure that the
Speaker 7: spirits made their journey to heaven. And he said that
Speaker 7: they would wait until the constellation Scorpius would be below
Speaker 7: the horizon, because when they would launch the soul off
Speaker 7: into heaven, it was their belief that the scorpion would
Speaker 7: take its tail and snatch the soul out of the
Speaker 7: air and keep it from reaching heaven. But they would
Speaker 7: go to these mounds, in these hinges, in these earthwork
Speaker 7: complexes and perform these rituals, and that they would have
Speaker 7: a huge bonfire and they would take the bones or
Speaker 7: the bodies if it was a fresh body, and they
Speaker 7: would place whatever they had into the fire, and they
Speaker 7: would dance and sing, perform their rituals and send the
Speaker 7: spirit off into the air and He said that they
Speaker 7: would do this when the constellation of Orion was directly
Speaker 7: on the horizon line. And they said, the ancient thought
Speaker 7: was that this was a hand. So the three stars,
Speaker 7: let me get right, here was the wrist, and that
Speaker 7: it was a hand, and in the center of the
Speaker 7: hand was an eye. So you see all this symbology
Speaker 7: of the eye and the hand. This was a Native
Speaker 7: American thing, and that they called this the ogie, and
Speaker 7: it was a portal for the soul, and they would
Speaker 7: send the soul off and the soul would go through
Speaker 7: this ogie. And the belief wasn't this shows you they
Speaker 7: knew the stars, that it would drop below the horizon
Speaker 7: and come back on the other side, and that it
Speaker 7: would release the soul and they would release it into
Speaker 7: the milky Way, and that the constellation Sickness, which was
Speaker 7: a bird, would grab it and fly it to the
Speaker 7: other side and into heaven. So there was this whole
Speaker 7: Native American belief of spirituality and ritual and the mounds
Speaker 7: and even the constellations were all involved. It was really
Speaker 7: cool to hear the thought processes and the beliefs of
Speaker 7: the Native Americans, and with the astrology and astronomy all
Speaker 7: wrapped into it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty fascinating. How do you how do you
Speaker 5: spell that a kogi or OGGI?
Speaker 7: Yeah, ogee, I think it's O G G I E
Speaker 7: I believe.
Speaker 2: Or O G I E it's something soon.
Speaker 5: Than Yeah, I was just gonna bring up I was
Speaker 5: just gonna bring up a picture of it because it
Speaker 5: did something I've just like I said, I I don't
Speaker 5: know if I've been as many mounds as Old Doctor
Speaker 5: Little there, but I've been, if not a thousand plus,
Speaker 5: you know, damn near Yeah, And I've seen a lot
Speaker 5: of these museums and sites have a lot of artifacts.
Speaker 5: A lot of times the artifacts that were you know,
Speaker 5: produced from some of these mounds and archaeological and anthropological
Speaker 5: studies there in ears past or you know, usually in
Speaker 5: like a little shop or museum of these sites. In fact,
Speaker 5: you can go to Walmart in northern Georgia not far
Speaker 5: from you, and can go visit a mound museum inside
Speaker 5: the Walmart that was the that was the result of
Speaker 5: a that was a disposition from a lawsuit because Walmart
Speaker 5: wanted to build on that mound and then and the
Speaker 5: natives were like.
Speaker 3: You better not.
Speaker 5: And then the federal court was like, guys can do it,
Speaker 5: but they can to negotiated settlement. We'll put a mound
Speaker 5: museum inside the walmart. But there is that's that symbol
Speaker 5: is literally everywhere that you're describing. It's across the cultures
Speaker 5: and time within these mounds because there's various, you know, groups,
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know if you were, I want
Speaker 5: to get into that discussion of the Hope Wells and
Speaker 5: the Adenas and the kind of the the the idea
Speaker 5: that we even know anything about these people just because
Speaker 5: we assign a name to them, right, and the names
Speaker 5: we've assigned to them are not names they gave themselves.
Speaker 7: But the if you type in a rattlesnake disc, that's
Speaker 7: a really good one to show that the viewers and
Speaker 7: listeners that's when they found down in Alabama. And it's
Speaker 7: a disc and right in the center of it is
Speaker 7: the huge ogie and it actually has the Ora borealis
Speaker 7: snake biting its own tail around it. It's it's a
Speaker 7: calendar disc.
Speaker 5: Right, So what do you think, how do you think
Speaker 5: this spawns so many cultures in time?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 5: Right, like, because again we're talking to Adena, Hopewell, Mississippi
Speaker 5: cultures right, We're talking thousands of years through these you know, allegedly,
Speaker 5: right through these mounds being constructed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think this is just a It's one of
Speaker 7: those things that's when you see it traveling through so
Speaker 7: many cultures and throughout time. I mean, there there has
Speaker 7: to be something to it. It's a it's an oral
Speaker 7: tradition just passed through throughout the ages.
Speaker 3: Man, where's it that today? Though? You think? Then? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Do you think this this tradition still exists because I
Speaker 5: often wonder that.
Speaker 7: There might be a small remnant of people, you know,
Speaker 7: still practicing it. But you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 7: It's like the rise and fall of certain civilizations and
Speaker 7: customs and people groups. Uh uh, I'm trying to think
Speaker 7: of Hunter McConnell. I had him on the show and
Speaker 7: we actually did an entire episode on this disc. There's
Speaker 7: so much stuff involved in this little disc and I
Speaker 7: can't remember all of it right now, but he talked
Speaker 7: about that ogie and it's an astronomical calendar and he
Speaker 7: took a map of the stars and super imposed it
Speaker 7: and it lines up perfect with Orion pointing toward like
Speaker 7: the North star with the middle finger tip, just all
Speaker 7: the different things, even the notches on the side a
Speaker 7: line to certain things.
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 7: And that horned serpent has something to do with the
Speaker 7: South America and the corn gods, because even the rattlers,
Speaker 7: if you look at the rattlers, the rattlers are.
Speaker 2: Corn seeds.
Speaker 7: Because he said, he starts showing all these different depictions
Speaker 7: of South America, and that's what those are.
Speaker 2: Those are corn kernels.
Speaker 6: That was a show.
Speaker 5: I think that's well, you're you're pointing out some really
Speaker 5: great things. I want to I want to ask you
Speaker 5: about too, with the Serpent Mound. And again it's one
Speaker 5: of the things or some of the things that I've
Speaker 5: always found most fascinating about these mounds, is you need
Speaker 5: to tell me someone twenty in this event of Serpent
Speaker 5: Mound here, You mean to tell me somebody roughly three
Speaker 5: thousand years ago, twenty five hundred years ago, new you know,
Speaker 5: could build this mound and it still lasts today. But
Speaker 5: it also worked as a calendar, read to the night sky.
Speaker 5: It read the seasons, that read the equinoxes, the solstices.
Speaker 5: All of these bends and curves and everything in here
Speaker 5: is encoded with the ability to read the sky, and
Speaker 5: basically a calendar for the known universe, you know, the
Speaker 5: visible universe.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the I had Jeff Wilkinson on the show,
Speaker 7: or Wilson.
Speaker 6: Sorry.
Speaker 7: Uh, even the bends are lunar calendars, yep. I mean
Speaker 7: it maps everything, the sun, the mirth, uh yeah, the
Speaker 7: the open mouth uh points straight towards the uh, the
Speaker 7: summer solstice.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just crazy at all the things.
Speaker 7: And yeah, like you said, we're to believe that, you know,
Speaker 7: these ancient people done this and you can't even appreciate
Speaker 7: this thing unless you're in the air, right. I think
Speaker 7: this is you know, call me a conspiracy theorist, but
Speaker 7: this this was.
Speaker 2: Something given to them.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: Same thing when you go down to South America, when
Speaker 7: you look at the ayahuasca. Ayahuasca, uh is a blend
Speaker 7: of several different plants that that there's no way that
Speaker 7: they stumbled across this. There's millions of different fauna down
Speaker 7: there that they could mix together and come up with
Speaker 7: this concoction. So if you just took the DMT by itself,
Speaker 7: your acids in your stomach would kill it, so you
Speaker 7: wouldn't get the hallucinogenic effect from it. There's only one
Speaker 7: specific plant that bonds with that DMT and fights off
Speaker 7: the acids in your stomach to allow the absorption of
Speaker 7: that DMT. So then you get the perfect match of
Speaker 7: these two plants. Then you have the whole processing of it.
Speaker 7: You know, they have to meet it out, they have
Speaker 7: to boil it at the right temperature and pull it
Speaker 7: out and prepare it. I mean, this is too perfect
Speaker 7: to be you know, made by mistake or by random.
Speaker 7: And then the people tell them, tell everybody that you know.
Speaker 2: The sky people.
Speaker 7: You know told them this gave it to them. So
Speaker 7: take take the people's word for it, man. And like, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, Darby in his book The Cosmic Serpent, he
Speaker 7: lived with these people for you know, like.
Speaker 2: A decade or more.
Speaker 7: Took this ayahuasca, you know, on a I wouldn't say
Speaker 7: daily basis, but he took it often, so much so
Speaker 7: that he documented everything and wrote a book, The Cosmic Serpent,
Speaker 7: and talked about every time he took it. He saw
Speaker 7: this cosmic serpent. And that's what all of them say
Speaker 7: that they have encounters with and that's the one that
Speaker 7: gave them this concoction. And without fail, all these people
Speaker 7: talk about this encounter with this cosmic serpent, and then
Speaker 7: you have this serpent up here in North America.
Speaker 2: Throughout the world, you have this serpent imagery everywhere.
Speaker 7: And like I said you, I mean, we all have
Speaker 7: our preconceived notions and our filters that we filter things
Speaker 7: through and and mine I.
Speaker 2: Have a biblical of you.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: The book of the Book of Enoch tells us that
Speaker 7: the fallen angels came down, bred with the doughters of men,
Speaker 7: were worshiped as gods, and they gave humanity forbidden knowledge.
Speaker 7: And it's a common theme throughout the world. The Native
Speaker 7: Americans say the star people came down, gave them knowledge,
Speaker 7: stole their women, and perverted the land. The Greeks have Prometheus.
Speaker 7: He rebelled against Zeus, and the gods stole the.
Speaker 2: Fire gave it to humanity.
Speaker 7: Uh. You have the Naugas with the Hindus. I mean,
Speaker 7: I could go on all day long with the same story,
Speaker 7: just different caveats and names to it. And they said
Speaker 7: that amongst the things that they gave them was the
Speaker 7: reading of the heavens and astronomical signs, mathematics, the cutting
Speaker 7: of roots in Pharmakaa. I mean it's just to me,
Speaker 7: this was the the knowledge that the fallen angels had
Speaker 7: and gave to their offspring, and their offspring passed it
Speaker 7: on into humanity. And that's why you have all these
Speaker 7: ancient enigmas.
Speaker 5: In the offspring or suppose is this supposed to be
Speaker 5: the ne fhi one is that they're supposed to be
Speaker 5: the offspring of.
Speaker 7: The Yes, the giants, and that's why in North America
Speaker 7: you have all the stories of the Red Giants, the
Speaker 7: the ct Ka, and all the you know, the natives
Speaker 7: talk about that they warred against these people.
Speaker 5: Buried at the bottom of these ancient mounds, right the
Speaker 5: Adena mounds, the oldest ones.
Speaker 3: So what do you think of this one? Justin is
Speaker 3: this a snake? You think? In your opinion is this
Speaker 3: a serpent?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I mean I think it's the cosmic serpent.
Speaker 3: Not the warm God, but the cosmic serpent.
Speaker 5: Right, there's there seems to be the delineation there from
Speaker 5: your from the way you're describing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 7: And after going that this last summer and filming and
Speaker 7: talking to some locals and some experts there the native belief,
Speaker 7: because a lot of people want to say that this
Speaker 7: snake is eating an egg, which right now that it
Speaker 7: does it looks like an egg. But when you're there,
Speaker 7: there's a small triangular mound at the head of that
Speaker 7: thing that you can't really see in this picture, but
Speaker 7: it's there there. And then on the sides you find
Speaker 7: some other little mounds that they put the walkways over.
Speaker 7: You can see them with some light ar and some
Speaker 7: ground penetrating radar. And I talked to a guy named Tom,
Speaker 7: and he's got connections with the local natives and stuff,
Speaker 7: and he laid out a pretty good theory. Mean, it
Speaker 7: makes sense. He thinks that that egg was originally a turtle,
Speaker 7: and that snake is eating a turtle. And the legs
Speaker 7: came out next to the mouth coming back, and then
Speaker 7: another set going forward, and that triangular little mound at
Speaker 7: the front was the head, and the turtle was Turtle Island.
Speaker 7: And it's an allegory of the passing of a new age,
Speaker 7: like and like it was the kind of like the
Speaker 7: Young Adriass event maybe. But you have the serpent god
Speaker 7: of the lower world of South America, you know, Verrakoca
Speaker 7: Quasi kettle coming up and devouring Turtle Island, which was
Speaker 7: North America.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are examples of turtle effigy mounds as well,
Speaker 5: so there was some some sort of turtle references going
Speaker 5: on with these mounds.
Speaker 3: And I've never heard that. I've never heard that theory.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, Yeah, they told me. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 3: such a mysterious place.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I have been destroyed in the past there,
Speaker 5: but seemingly in large part it's been keptain tax which
Speaker 5: is good to see that because I think this is
Speaker 5: one question I put it kind of put a pen
Speaker 5: into my mind earlier there. When we're talking about you
Speaker 5: mentioned procession of the equinoxes. I've always wondered how that
Speaker 5: goes down? Right, First of all, who's there to track
Speaker 5: this whole procession?
Speaker 3: Right? Is somebody keeping a record of this somewhere?
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know, But nonetheless, like, how does the
Speaker 5: how do you think the astronomy that was relevant at
Speaker 5: this time, you know, when they built a mound twenty
Speaker 5: five hundred and three thousand years ago, Why do you
Speaker 5: think that still lines up today?
Speaker 7: Which it does, but it's off a few degrees. So
Speaker 7: they theorize got that that's why it's not perfectly lined up.
Speaker 7: And some believe that This was constructed when Draco, which
Speaker 7: is a serpent, you know, was the Northern Star. But
Speaker 7: I was gonna show you some goodies because as we
Speaker 7: were talking, I kind of forgot this may or may
Speaker 7: not be a piece of the standing stone that was
Speaker 7: at the head of Serpent Mound that was pushed off
Speaker 7: the cliff.
Speaker 2: That's nice, may or may not.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the other thing is it's built on you
Speaker 5: mentioned cliff. It's built on the ridgeline from a from
Speaker 5: a a or a asteroid that allegedly hit their sixty
Speaker 5: twenty five million years ago, I think, or something something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, who's tracking that though? He's keeping who's keeping count?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: Which Tom that guy spoke with spoke with he's like
Speaker 7: a geologist and one of the things he does is
Speaker 7: gives tours of this crater and he's dug up fossils
Speaker 7: and troll of bites and things like that, and so
Speaker 7: he's still you know, some of these people do some
Speaker 7: of the dating and stuff of that. And one of
Speaker 7: the interviews I'd done with him, he was talking about
Speaker 7: even some of it, like the supernatural occurrences and stuff
Speaker 7: that happened there, and he thinks it all has to
Speaker 7: do with this crater, And he said, whoever built you know,
Speaker 7: this effigy mound, He said, I believe it's like they felt.
Speaker 7: He said, I think they felt the energy or how
Speaker 7: special this place was because of this impact crater. But
Speaker 7: I was going to show you guys some other stuff
Speaker 7: that I'd found or got while I was there, Like
Speaker 7: one thing, like we was talking about supernatural stuff.
Speaker 2: Right here, it.
Speaker 7: Says a serpent Mound soybean formation. This was first discovered
Speaker 7: in August of twenty fourth, two thousand and three. It
Speaker 7: was two hundred and seventy one feet from the top
Speaker 7: of a large ring to the bottom of the small
Speaker 7: ringscle all oriented east to west. The diameter of the
Speaker 7: eye in the Kiska piscus was seventy four feet. And
Speaker 7: this was an aerial photograph in two thousand and three
Speaker 7: by Jeff Wilson and Roger Sugden. So that guy I
Speaker 7: talked about that I'd interviewed Jeff Wilson, He's the one
Speaker 7: that got this. And this was, you know, stones throw
Speaker 7: away from Serpent Mound in two thousand and three. So
Speaker 7: you got all kinds of crazy phenomenon going on around
Speaker 7: this site. And here is all the different astronomical alignments
Speaker 7: in that turtle that I talked about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Okay, they got the turtle on
Speaker 3: there too. Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And a lot of people don't realize because it's not
Speaker 7: talked about. But when they first dug in that large
Speaker 7: mound at Serpent Mound, here's what they found. This guy
Speaker 7: was seven feet at the knees and they found him.
Speaker 7: He was cut off at the knees and his hands
Speaker 7: were cut off. Also, why was that did he have
Speaker 7: six fingers and six toes?
Speaker 6: Maybe here's a thief.
Speaker 3: That that wasn't the only giant.
Speaker 5: I believe it was found there because they have when
Speaker 5: he pull into the parking lot there in the corner
Speaker 5: of it, near the near the building, there's two Adena
Speaker 5: mountains that sit there. They excavated one of those mounds
Speaker 5: years ago, and I believe they had a seven foot
Speaker 5: two and a seven and a half foot are in there.
Speaker 3: Believe there's two giants there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that that one of those was at that
Speaker 7: parking lot mount But he was seven foot at the knees.
Speaker 3: Is the parking lot mount the lower half of his legs?
Speaker 6: Do you think that is?
Speaker 3: We're talking, We're talking the same giant thing.
Speaker 5: Okay, because if you go in the building there and
Speaker 5: start asking questions about that, they're gonna be like, we
Speaker 5: don't know anyhing about that.
Speaker 6: Yep, that's fucking tall.
Speaker 3: Are you? Are you familiar with the Adena the highway?
Speaker 5: It was the the It was a highway that ran
Speaker 5: from some from Serpent Mounds to Delaware the Newark, the
Speaker 5: Newark Earthworks, just east of Columbus, and it was uh,
Speaker 5: I think eighty five miles maybe, but it had, you know,
Speaker 5: a pathway with mounds on both sides. I think it
Speaker 5: was eight foot or nine foot you know, picture those
Speaker 5: kind of long burrow mounds on both sides for eighty
Speaker 5: five miles eight or nine foot high.
Speaker 2: Wow. Nah, I hadn't heard about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it led it led to the Newark Earthworks.
Speaker 5: Are you familier with those? Those are very interesting?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I spoke with Fritz and he just discovered this past
Speaker 7: year at at Newark how they got that opening, that
Speaker 7: that doorway to that hens there.
Speaker 2: That h what is it?
Speaker 7: On May first on bell Tane That that Hens lines
Speaker 7: up perfectly with the sunrise of bell Tane and that's
Speaker 7: the holy day for the worship of bail of the Canaanites,
Speaker 7: and so Fritz Heath theorizes that these were the Nephlum
Speaker 7: giants from the Bible because it says that when the
Speaker 7: Egyptians were actually when the Jews left Egypt and went
Speaker 7: into the Holy Land to conquer the Holy Land, all
Speaker 7: of the tribes that were listed were Nepholum giant tribes.
Speaker 2: That's why they were devout to destruction.
Speaker 7: It said, kill every man, woman and child, because they
Speaker 7: were Nephlum giant clans. And the ones that heard about
Speaker 7: the conquest, you know, the Phoenicians, they were known to
Speaker 7: be great sailors. He said that he theorizes that they
Speaker 7: got on boats and fled to the New World, and
Speaker 7: he said the water levels were higher back then that
Speaker 7: they probably went in to you know, around Boston or
Speaker 7: somewhere around there, and went straight into like the Great
Speaker 7: Lakes area. He said, that's where you see all these
Speaker 7: copper mines with all the missing copper. And he said,
Speaker 7: in that copper there, he said, is traceable. He said,
Speaker 7: it's like ninety eight point five percent pure. It's the
Speaker 7: purest copper in the world. He said, it's the only
Speaker 7: copper that tests that high. He said, So they're testing
Speaker 7: copper in Europe, South America, Asia, all over the world.
Speaker 7: That's testing, you know, at ninety eight point five percent pure.
Speaker 7: That's showing them that it come from these Michigan copper
Speaker 7: mines and with all the lack of the copper that's missing.
Speaker 7: And they have found depictions of Phoenician ships and petroglyphs
Speaker 7: there in Michigan. So they're saying that they're theorizing that
Speaker 7: these Niians were going over mining all this copper, distributing
Speaker 7: it throughout the world and going back and forth. So
Speaker 7: they already knew the route and they knew the land.
Speaker 7: So during this contest of Canaan, they just they come
Speaker 7: to the New World and settled and then they went
Speaker 7: out from there. And that's why you find all of
Speaker 7: these mounds and earthworks and stuff in the Ohio River Valley,
Speaker 7: because they just went down from there, and that's, you
Speaker 7: know why you see all this stuff. And even in
Speaker 7: New Hampshire, that America's Stonehenge, they found this big old
Speaker 7: stone slab with a Paleo Phoenician script on it, and
Speaker 7: they didn't know what it was, so they called Harvard
Speaker 7: and Barry Fell from Harvard went up there and translated
Speaker 7: it and sure enough, I mean it was like Paleo
Speaker 7: Phoenician script and it said basically, it said to Bail
Speaker 7: of the Canaanites, we the Phoenicians dedicate you know, this site.
Speaker 7: And then like I said, then you have new work
Speaker 7: or the hinge opening lines perfectly up with may first
Speaker 7: bell Tane. You have all these signs pointing to the
Speaker 7: Nephelom giants from the land of Canaan who worshiped Bail
Speaker 7: or the ones you come to the New World and
Speaker 7: done all this stuff. Man, it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 3: Are you sure you're not Mormon?
Speaker 5: Because you were talking about multiple gods earlier in all
Speaker 5: these Canaan Nite mound stuff. Now you sound like the
Speaker 5: Mormon talking about that.
Speaker 2: No, no, not Mormon.
Speaker 3: These are these are some of the ideas of Mormonism
Speaker 3: we were hitting on right there.
Speaker 7: No, I don't believe in soul babies and having my
Speaker 7: own planet and I no, No, that's the live Satan
Speaker 7: in the garden. You shall be as gods.
Speaker 5: It's interesting you were pointing out, you know, some of
Speaker 5: this evidence of the you know, the the ancient history
Speaker 5: of American Barry Fell has written a number of books
Speaker 5: on that, and he's definitely deciphered something, like you said,
Speaker 5: some texts and stuff like that Ogaman whatnot, as well
Speaker 5: some ancient Celtic stuff. But I don't know he's ever
Speaker 5: really tried to touch this stuff. I've never seen anything,
Speaker 5: you know that he did on some of the some
Speaker 5: of the mound tablets, right, So this is a tablet
Speaker 5: from an Adina mound that was thirty thirty foot banger
Speaker 5: there on fifth and Mound Street, downtown Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Maybe not Sory ninth in Mount Street.
Speaker 5: You know, they don't they don't come up with a
Speaker 5: lot of times these you'll go to a city, especially
Speaker 5: about the Midwest.
Speaker 3: He's anything anything in the New World of America.
Speaker 5: So you know, hot the Ohio's and Kentucky's Tennessees and
Speaker 5: so on and so forth westbound. A lot of the
Speaker 5: stuff where you're gonna find Mound locations are named after
Speaker 5: George Washington, our Key Day Lafayette, Thomas Jefferson, and a
Speaker 5: number of these other characters who were involved in the
Speaker 5: secret Society that started America. Because they love mounts, the
Speaker 5: Society of Cincinnati, which was their town there in Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: So I think this town actually had a lot of
Speaker 5: mounds are important, and that was one of the things
Speaker 5: they were they were concerned about settling there, and one
Speaker 5: of you know, one of the very purposes for settling there.
Speaker 3: George Washington had surveyed a.
Speaker 5: Lot of these mounds, you know, even in the Cincinnati area,
Speaker 5: as early as you know what in Cincinnati then, but
Speaker 5: as early as you know, he's sixteen years old.
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of this stuff is very important.
Speaker 5: But there's not been a lot of attention given, in
Speaker 5: my opinions, to deciphering a lot of this stuff. I've
Speaker 5: only seen one or two solid attempts. But it seems
Speaker 5: like we were pointing out before with the with the
Speaker 5: disc from the what was it, the Rattlesnak disc.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's a star map.
Speaker 5: So this seems to be a star map, but it
Speaker 5: also seems to be a language, right, but it's treated
Speaker 5: as art today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's wild. I mean, just had a glance. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm not an expert, but to me, it's kind of
Speaker 7: got like a South America, like you know, Aztec kind
Speaker 7: of flavor to it, don't don't you think?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it does have some of those some
Speaker 5: of those curves and similarities in the esthetic. I think
Speaker 5: so a core means my best assessment of this of
Speaker 5: this year tablet, not art, but it's uh. There's a
Speaker 5: fellow by the name of Noah Sage. I'm not sure
Speaker 5: if this is a blog that he still runs, but
Speaker 5: I'll look for it while i'm while I'm rambling the
Speaker 5: the ancient Hittites. Apparently this is ancient Hittite which is
Speaker 5: kind of the modern day area of Turkey and Syria.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, dating back I think to five hundred BC.
Speaker 5: Maybe you familiar with the hit sites.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, the Hittites. That was a
Speaker 7: that was a neflum giant clan uh in the Bible, right,
Speaker 7: the ones I talk about in my book the Epic
Speaker 7: of Esau marries into the Hittites.
Speaker 3: And we didn't plan this, by the way, that's hilarious,
Speaker 3: let's not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's supposedly ancient Hitsite that this guy runs
Speaker 5: the blog here as I don't. This blog is old.
Speaker 5: I've never I've never spoken to the guy, but he's
Speaker 5: he does a good job and trying to decipher all
Speaker 5: these tablets that are found mainly through the Ohio region
Speaker 5: with the old Adena Mounds. So kind of you've been
Speaker 5: to Serpent Mound? Have you been to Chili Coffee?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 7: I want to go to a bunch more this summer.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: The only ones that.
Speaker 7: Because I honestly I started getting into reading about them
Speaker 7: last year before last, and last year I went and
Speaker 7: visited my first ones. I went to Ohio and I
Speaker 7: went to uh the Eenon Mound. I went to Miamisburg
Speaker 7: one and Serpent Mound. That's the three that I've been
Speaker 7: to so far. So this summer and spring, I'm really
Speaker 7: going to hit the road hard and see.
Speaker 5: Some nice So right down the road from Serpent Mound
Speaker 5: is Chili Cooffee. Have you here to put your look
Speaker 5: at the Adena Mounds? What we know about him as
Speaker 5: far as they weren't and you know, because not many
Speaker 5: of them are left compared to what.
Speaker 3: How many there used to be? Right? You know?
Speaker 5: Not even we have a small percentage now I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna say small, you know, an infantilised percentage of you know,
Speaker 5: less than one percent there still remains. So if you
Speaker 5: put a like a bulls eye on like Chili Coothy,
Speaker 5: that would like if you looked at like a target.
Speaker 5: Chilicothe would be like the bulls eye, right, and then
Speaker 5: it spreads out from there. But the largest epicenter of
Speaker 5: a Dina mounds are in around Chilicothe. There's still a
Speaker 5: number of sites there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to get to. Uh is where I'm
Speaker 7: at closer toward Nashville. There's a really big mound complex
Speaker 7: out that way that I want to go check out.
Speaker 7: The name slipping my mind right now, but it's a
Speaker 7: big one pension.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's a that's a very interesting site. That's I've
Speaker 5: been there as well.
Speaker 3: In fact, good guys.
Speaker 7: And go see some sights and do film and stuff.
Speaker 2: Definitely go, let's go on an adventure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if you're in Ohio, definitely, Yeah, definitely let
Speaker 5: me know if you're coming to some mountains in Ohio.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm always looking looking for some mountain time.
Speaker 7: I'm last weekend in July, I'll be up there for
Speaker 7: a conference.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'll be there conference.
Speaker 7: Uh, it's just a no, it's just a conference that
Speaker 7: I go to every year.
Speaker 2: As uh.
Speaker 7: Trying to think of the town Brooksville.
Speaker 2: Ohio.
Speaker 3: Must be north of here.
Speaker 7: It's thirty minutes from Eenon Mound and thirty minutes from Miamisburg.
Speaker 7: Because last year when I went to the conference, I
Speaker 7: found out how close those mounds were and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I have to go.
Speaker 5: It's about I'm about an hour from that from there.
Speaker 5: That's early by dating, but yeah, Miami's Burg Mounds super.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it'd be cool to get some drawn footage
Speaker 6: of those mountains. What's that it'd be cool to get
Speaker 6: some drone footage of the mountains.
Speaker 5: Oh man, you know, justin you must have some good
Speaker 5: stuff from the the Serpent Mound because you made a
Speaker 5: good point. You really have to see it from above
Speaker 5: to really to really take in the whole situation there.
Speaker 3: And that tower has been closed for a number of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got kicked out.
Speaker 7: They got signs everywhere saying no drones, no drones, no drones.
Speaker 7: So I recorded all the stuff that I needed and
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm just gonna fly it any damn way.
Speaker 7: I went on a Sunday and there wasn't a whole
Speaker 7: lot of people there, so I recorded everything that I
Speaker 7: wanted to record, and then I went to the head
Speaker 7: of the Serpent and kind of just waited for, you know,
Speaker 7: everybody to disperse because they're witn't that many people there?
Speaker 7: And I launched it from the head and took off
Speaker 7: and I made it like halfway down or it starts
Speaker 7: to curve, and of course I'm looking at my camera
Speaker 7: on my controller, and all of a sudden, I just hear.
Speaker 6: Sir, sir, sir, and.
Speaker 7: I'm like shit, And I look over and it's a
Speaker 7: worker and he's like, sir, I don't know if you've
Speaker 7: not seen the signs. And I mean you couldn't miss them.
Speaker 7: I mean the hell it was like every five foot
Speaker 7: on the walkway, no drone, no drone, no drunk. I
Speaker 7: was like, no, what sign talking lot like down the block. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and he was like, yeah, we don't allow drones here.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, I didn't know, man, My bad.
Speaker 7: And so I went to land it, you know, after
Speaker 7: I after I landed it, you know, he was like, well,
Speaker 7: rules are rules, so I don't have to ask you
Speaker 7: to leave, sir. And I was like, you know, and
Speaker 7: I was like, well, how's everybody got all this drunk fooge.
Speaker 2: I see on TV?
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: He's like, oh uh, they file asked for paperwork.
Speaker 2: And all this stuff. And I was like, how can
Speaker 2: you don't allow people to fly.
Speaker 7: And he was like, because it's this sights sacred. You know,
Speaker 7: people do rituals here and people are buried here. And
Speaker 7: I was like, we do a piece of people. Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: But I was like, I say, a piece of paperwork
Speaker 7: makes it unsacred for a little.
Speaker 3: While to a bureaucrat.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: But but I found out through Jeff though, because uh,
Speaker 7: next year I'll get some real good footage because Jeff
Speaker 7: owns property. That guy I've been talking about, I've made
Speaker 7: friends with him. He owns the property that's tied adjacent
Speaker 7: to Serpent Mound. And he said, they can't do nothing.
Speaker 7: You know, they don't own the airspace, he said, but
Speaker 7: you can't launch and land there. He said, Just next
Speaker 7: time you're up, come to my house. He said, you
Speaker 7: can launch from my land and fly over you.
Speaker 8: Any place that I had to sign with the no drones.
Speaker 8: I literally just left the property and sent it up
Speaker 8: for my car, like out in the street on the play.
Speaker 6: You know what's crazy is that.
Speaker 8: I mean, you probably realize you can send that ship
Speaker 8: up eighty feet and you don't even see it anymore.
Speaker 6: You actually don't have to go that high for people
Speaker 6: not to even see the.
Speaker 7: Fucking yeah, they just hear it.
Speaker 8: They yeah, they might hear yours.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you got a little bit more of it
Speaker 6: us in mine.
Speaker 8: But go ahead, Nick, I'm just saying, I know I
Speaker 8: throw I've put mine up. I know for a fact,
Speaker 8: I've noticed at least at eighty feet you'll not see
Speaker 8: you to hear it.
Speaker 6: It's pretty crazy. It's really not that high. If you
Speaker 6: think about it.
Speaker 5: The next time you go to surper mountd there, justin
Speaker 5: don't take it right out of there and drive three
Speaker 5: miles down the road to Belfast, Ohio, and definitely don't
Speaker 5: take a picture in front of the Knights of pytheus hole.
Speaker 5: You know, secret society, the Knights of Pythias. They don't
Speaker 5: like that there. They'll send me the Belfast Welcoming Crew
Speaker 5: to come come greet you.
Speaker 6: Do they have one of those of.
Speaker 3: It, The Knights of Pithias. They're an interesting bunch.
Speaker 5: I hadn't really heard of them until I stumbled across
Speaker 5: this location, decided to take a photograph in front of
Speaker 5: the place, and it got weird.
Speaker 3: We'd also just eat a bunch of shrooms.
Speaker 5: I was with Recluse was medi Recluse, host of Steven Sneyder,
Speaker 5: the host of the Farm podcast. We meet him and
Speaker 5: a couple of fellas. We're doing a Serpent Mound mushroom
Speaker 5: adventure and decided to go you know, went this way,
Speaker 5: I think, taking a wrong turn maybe perhaps on the
Speaker 5: way out of there, you know, not the sober driver
Speaker 5: was he wasn't from around the area. I was the
Speaker 5: one who drove was there. Then ate a bunch of
Speaker 5: mushrooms like a jackass and couldn't drug. It was part
Speaker 5: of the plan. But the plan was also not to
Speaker 5: get lost. But we get lost right because I, you know,
Speaker 5: I didn't give the guy directions and we end up
Speaker 5: at this place, so we know, we get out of
Speaker 5: the car, we're taking pictures and yeah, they don't like that.
Speaker 3: I don't like that as a It's an odd experience.
Speaker 2: And what is it exactly, It's an.
Speaker 5: Old it's a very old ass, very rural Knights of
Speaker 5: Pitheis Lodge. So they're they're a secret society, you know,
Speaker 5: they're I don't know, I don't want to call them
Speaker 5: even relative to the freemass. They kind of have this
Speaker 5: independent where I call the International Order of Oddfellows kind
Speaker 5: of like diet Freemasonry, because you know, the craftsman. You know,
Speaker 5: like these people they have like a different trajectory in
Speaker 5: life as far as their secret society stuff goes.
Speaker 3: They don't quote me in that because I don't know
Speaker 3: enough about them. I just don't go. Take a picture
Speaker 3: of the old lodge.
Speaker 5: In front of Belfast. Apparently it's an active lodge. It
Speaker 5: looks it looked like it was a rundown check.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it looks like an old abandoned like grocery store
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 3: Back that's what we thought.
Speaker 5: That's I just wanted some milk and bread, dude.
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, yeah, my shrooms are wearing off.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 3: Drifts the longer fun man, that's dripps no longer fun.
Speaker 2: You killing my brothers.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: So you mentioned the the the o g uh kind
Speaker 5: of comment.
Speaker 3: Portal situation before, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: And you know one of the things I thought of
Speaker 5: when you're describing that is, you know, I, you know,
Speaker 5: I was wondering if they're wearing the black robes and
Speaker 5: the nikes when they're doing that, because it sounds very
Speaker 5: Heaven's Gate like with that kind of.
Speaker 3: Theology of your philosophy of this ritual to go.
Speaker 5: Jump, you know, send your spirit onto onto a you know,
Speaker 5: some sort of celestial being. Right, And yeah, you know
Speaker 5: this tablet, the Cincinnati Tablet's even even tracking Haley's comment.
Speaker 3: That's what the uh, that's what the.
Speaker 5: Heaven's Gate folks were after, right, they were trying to
Speaker 5: jump Haley's comments. So I wonder if folks back in
Speaker 5: the Dina Mount folks where they were rocking some robes
Speaker 5: and nikes doing some of the the Haley's Comment stuff
Speaker 5: Heaven's Gate style too, Because what I mean is these ideas,
Speaker 5: I wonder they seem like they never go away, right,
Speaker 5: Like I think a lot of folks, especially in the
Speaker 5: late nineties, you know, you seem like you're you're of
Speaker 5: the same age as Nick and myself. And Heaven's Gate
Speaker 5: was kind of the hostet of the interwebs, right, it
Speaker 5: was the uh they were kind of known as the
Speaker 5: Internet cult.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean they it's like Solomon said, you know,
Speaker 7: nothing new is under the sun. That they will find
Speaker 7: this new thing in Marvel and say, oh, they found
Speaker 7: this new thing. No, it's an old thing that's been
Speaker 7: lost and forgotten now just being rediscovered.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But with these concepts, do they get rediscovered, they just
Speaker 5: get passed down.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, if they're fortunate enough not to be lost, yeah,
Speaker 7: they get passed now. But if they end up getting
Speaker 7: lost or forgotten for a while, someone finds a tablet
Speaker 7: or an old writing or text and it gets.
Speaker 3: Worm salamander tells them how to do it justice Smith style,
Speaker 3: or an angel.
Speaker 2: Or a magic stone and a hat, and.
Speaker 3: They get dry. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it reveals all if humanity forgets these ideas of
Speaker 5: shipping their souls, the you know, the comments through these portals,
Speaker 5: does does some being come telling that through a magic stone,
Speaker 5: the hat or a magical salamander?
Speaker 3: Or well what did what did Crowley do?
Speaker 5: He was doing stuff in the in Nhid Egypt, right,
Speaker 5: he was doing sometuff in the uh Great Pyramid, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean that's what I think with the Biblical viewpoint.
Speaker 7: You know, it's the the demons, the fallen angels, these
Speaker 7: beneha loheen that I talked about with Deuteronomy and the
Speaker 7: Tower of Babbel.
Speaker 2: It's, uh, yeah, you're pulling.
Speaker 7: Out that esoteric phone, e t phone and home, but
Speaker 7: you don't know who's answer the the other side.
Speaker 2: They'll tell you what you want to hear.
Speaker 7: But it's like even the Muses. You know, I've talked
Speaker 7: about that. I've been doing some research on that. Want
Speaker 7: to do a show on those guys.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: The ancient Greeks, you know, they talked about the Nine Muses.
Speaker 7: So whether it was music or theater or songwriting, storytelling. Uh,
Speaker 7: any time that they got an inspiration for something, they
Speaker 7: attributed it to the music. And they said the Muse
Speaker 7: came to them and gave them this thing, you know.
Speaker 7: And then they have in modern time talks about you know,
Speaker 7: automatic writing. Uh, who was it? Led Zeppelin talked about
Speaker 7: a night of partying that they woke up and boom,
Speaker 7: there was a Stairway to Heaven and some of those
Speaker 7: hit songs and uh, the lead singer's handwriting, he didn't
Speaker 7: remember writing it.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, Jimmy Page was living and I was the
Speaker 8: Crowley's old house when that right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So you know, the ancient Greeks called that the Muse.
Speaker 7: And when you go into like Homer and Hesiod, uh
Speaker 7: in the original languages. Uh, in like the opening of
Speaker 7: the Iliad, you know Homer's talking about Yeah, Uh, I
Speaker 7: summoned the Nine muses. Uh, I'm there there. Basically, I'm
Speaker 7: their vessel. And then all of a sudden, it's like
Speaker 7: the one of the muses takes him over and it says, yes,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm the muse, and we give the histories and
Speaker 7: the stories and the songs, and it basically says that
Speaker 7: it's up to us whether we tell you the truth
Speaker 7: or a lie. So, I mean, even at the beginning
Speaker 7: of the Iliad that the muse that takes over the
Speaker 7: pen tells you up front, you know, yeah, we're the
Speaker 7: ones that give the stories, We're the one that gives
Speaker 7: the songs, and it's up to us whether we tell
Speaker 7: you the truth or tell you a pretty lie.
Speaker 5: Now, are their muses the same as demons because their
Speaker 5: demons are not our demons.
Speaker 3: Their demons are different demons. Their demons are demons, right.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean it's you know, tomato tomato. I mean,
Speaker 7: but the thing is is they they you know, demands
Speaker 7: to the Greeks, they're they're benevolent. But to the like
Speaker 7: the Jewish people and stuff, that's the same thing. It's
Speaker 7: just from their viewpoint is that they are the dis
Speaker 7: embody spirits of the Nephelem. But the Greeks see them
Speaker 7: as the good guys. You know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 7: It's like a finger puppet. You got a hand and
Speaker 7: got a puppet on each finger with a different name,
Speaker 7: but hey, let's come from the same hand.
Speaker 5: I mean, I see what you're saying. I had a
Speaker 5: different concept of with the Greek's view of the damon was.
Speaker 5: I thought it was like the unconscious mind from subconscious mind.
Speaker 7: Well some like you know, like Plato and some of
Speaker 7: these guys, they had everybody had like their own flavor
Speaker 7: or viewpoint.
Speaker 3: That yeah, you know, that was Plato's definition, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Plato talked about how the gods weren't real. The gods
Speaker 7: were basically, uh, personality or emotions. So like when you
Speaker 7: got angry, that was aries whispering in your ear, you know,
Speaker 7: or when you had a lustful thought or something like that,
Speaker 7: that was afrodite. So kind of like you know, he
Speaker 7: has thought was the gods were the emotions and thoughts
Speaker 7: of the mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he uh, he certainly created a lot
Speaker 5: of the thoughts and there were later developed new thoughts, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, he's everything, you know, everything Plato didn't said
Speaker 5: apparently seems to have formed Western thought.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm, yeah, Carl Jung and a lot of the
Speaker 7: right the thinkers of the New World.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 5: So that's what's the relationship with the hit tights and
Speaker 5: Uh and your esl Uh storyline there with the I
Speaker 5: don't so the epic was the is, if I'm understanding correctly,
Speaker 5: is the essentially the birth of the Nephilim that have
Speaker 5: there nepheline that that have created these giants that we
Speaker 5: later find in these mounds, right?
Speaker 3: Is that kind of the long and the short of it.
Speaker 2: He's not he marries in to them. You know.
Speaker 7: For those that's not familiar with Esau, he's honestly, he's
Speaker 7: like one of the most enigmatic characters of the Bible.
Speaker 7: You just get little blurbs about him. And it's because
Speaker 7: you know, the Bible, you know, was sixty six separate
Speaker 7: scrolls that were put together and made into this book,
Speaker 7: but there was all kinds of other scrolls and stories
Speaker 7: around during this time. It just didn't make the quote
Speaker 7: unquote cut for the Bible. And so when the writers
Speaker 7: are writing these books, they didn't go into great detail
Speaker 7: about this guy because there were so many other books
Speaker 7: that did go into great detail so it's like they thought,
Speaker 7: you know, what's the what's the point in beating a
Speaker 7: dead horse? Theoretically everybody knows about this. I don't need
Speaker 7: to cover this. So you had the you know, the
Speaker 7: Book of Jashure and the legends of the Use and
Speaker 7: all these other things. So like as the past two
Speaker 7: years when I deep dived and found this stuff, I
Speaker 7: found all these other little missing pieces and put them
Speaker 7: together to form this complete.
Speaker 2: Story of this guy.
Speaker 7: But the Book of Genesis just starts off and tells
Speaker 7: you about Esau. It says that his birth, you know,
Speaker 7: strange to say the least. It says that he comes
Speaker 7: out red, covered in hair from head to toe like
Speaker 7: a Harry Cloak. So with our modern vernacular and viewpoint,
Speaker 7: it's like, if you've seen this guy that's described in
Speaker 7: the Bible out in the woods or out on the street,
Speaker 7: I mean, without hesitation, I mean you would say, I
Speaker 7: mean I seen Bigfoot, I seen a sasquatch, right, I
Speaker 7: mean it said he was covered in hair from head
Speaker 7: to toe like a cloak. And it skips on down.
Speaker 7: You get his genealogies and he you know, he was
Speaker 7: the eldest son who traded his birth right, But some
Speaker 7: of these extra biblical books say that he bumps into
Speaker 7: King Nimrod and they're both Their claims to fame is
Speaker 7: that they were the mighty Hunters, and so it's kind
Speaker 7: of like the Highlander, you know, there can.
Speaker 2: Only be one baby.
Speaker 7: So these two mighty hunters clash, and it says that
Speaker 7: Esau kills Nimrod, cuts off his head, and steals his garments,
Speaker 7: and it says these were the garments to which he
Speaker 7: was able to rule over all the nations. So and
Speaker 7: immediately I was like, well, what's up with these garments?
Speaker 7: What's so special with these garments? And so as I
Speaker 7: got to digging, it turns out that these are the
Speaker 7: supernatural garments from the Garden of God that was given
Speaker 7: to Adam and Eve, and so I just started finding
Speaker 7: all these cool things about this guy. But to answer
Speaker 7: your question, he takes three wives in his adult age,
Speaker 7: and two of them are Canaanites, who they were commanded
Speaker 7: not to marry into. They were supposed to be a
Speaker 7: cursed lineage. And when you follow genealogies, these were known
Speaker 7: Nephalem giant clans. So if you take this Sasquatch guy
Speaker 7: and marry him into Nephilim giant clans and interbreed with them.
Speaker 7: I mean, you have a really high likelihood of throwing
Speaker 7: some really strange pups, to say the least. And I
Speaker 7: think that's why you have so many stories throughout the
Speaker 7: world and cultures of the Yetti of In China they
Speaker 7: call it the Urine. In Europe they call it the
Speaker 7: wild Man. In Sardinia you have these festivals where the
Speaker 7: people cover themselves in black goats fur and danced during
Speaker 7: the summer or the winter solstice. You have the histories
Speaker 7: and stories of Crampus. In North America, you have the
Speaker 7: city Kai, the red haired Giants. I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 7: matter where you go, it's a common theme and story
Speaker 7: because I think it stems from this event and when
Speaker 7: he intermarries with these people, it says that his from
Speaker 7: this union. His grandson is this guy and the Bible
Speaker 7: called Amelek, and Amelek was kind of like Nimrod. He
Speaker 7: was this famous warrior giant and he bursts this clan
Speaker 7: called the Amalekites, and they were kind of like the
Speaker 7: Viking berserkers. They were known for their ruthlessness and they
Speaker 7: were just they dominated the battlefield and they hailed from
Speaker 7: the land of Mount Sierra. And when you break down
Speaker 7: that word in Hebrew, that means harry, So it's already
Speaker 7: describing these harry giants, Okay, yeah. And so when you
Speaker 7: get to the etymology of the Amalekites name also that
Speaker 7: means blood liquors, so it's these hairy, giant, vamporistic style people.
Speaker 7: And I think it's telling because in the Israelites Wilderness
Speaker 7: Wanderings in the Bible, it says that the first people
Speaker 7: they encounter are these Amalekites and that they attack them.
Speaker 7: And here's where you get all the rules from God.
Speaker 7: And I say it in the book. You don't get rules,
Speaker 7: laws and regulations if somebody's not breaking these rules, laws
Speaker 7: or regulations, you know there's a reason why you get them.
Speaker 7: And I think if you look at those I think
Speaker 7: it's telling to the people that they were having contact
Speaker 7: with because it says number one, do not drink the
Speaker 7: blood the life forces in the blood. It says, do
Speaker 7: not seek necromancers and sorcerers, do not pass your children
Speaker 7: through the fire, and it says, no longer will you
Speaker 7: sacrifice to harry goat demons. And you know the book
Speaker 7: of Isaiah talks about, uh, the wild This is all
Speaker 7: like in the Deuteronomy and Leviticus. This is all like
Speaker 7: during the Jews wilderness wanderings time. And it says in
Speaker 7: the Isaiah that the wild men the satyrs will dance
Speaker 7: in the wilderness in the desolate cities. I think it's
Speaker 7: talking about these people from the Union of Esaw, this
Speaker 7: Harry sasquatch man breeding with these Nephlum giant clans uh.
Speaker 7: And I think that's why you see remnants of all
Speaker 7: these you know, Urine Sasquatch, Crampus, the people of Sardinia, uh,
Speaker 7: just throughout the world. And that's why God was people don't, yeah,
Speaker 7: don't do this because God's people were seeing these Amalekites,
Speaker 7: these blood liquors do I mean, these practices, and God's
Speaker 7: people were starting to imitate them. So God's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: you can't be doing this.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 5: So the hitit tights fall into this bloodline as a
Speaker 5: result of can you what was that again? Can you
Speaker 5: refresh me on the hit type worson of that? I
Speaker 5: appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Excellent. You got me going on so many different wheels.
Speaker 5: Turned my head there I've now forgot where we started
Speaker 5: with the Hittites though.
Speaker 3: Connection to that, well, like.
Speaker 7: When you go through the genealogies in Genesis, and thanks
Speaker 7: to people like Gary Wayne in his book The Genesis
Speaker 7: Sixth Conspiracy, I mean, he did like a really you know,
Speaker 7: good thorough job of going through those genealogies, because I
Speaker 7: mean they are they're boring. You know, a lot of
Speaker 7: people just read through those because it's you know, this
Speaker 7: one forgot that, this one but got that, but got
Speaker 7: but got but got but goot, and it's kind of
Speaker 7: boring and we skip over it, you know. But he
Speaker 7: went through it with a fine tooth, calm them and
Speaker 7: traced them, and he found out, you know, that these
Speaker 7: were known Nephlum giant clans. And so through him going
Speaker 7: through and tracing all that, we know that they were
Speaker 7: you know, Nephlim, they were giants and were Esau marries
Speaker 7: into this this line. You have this hybridization of mixing
Speaker 7: of giants with this sasquatchy sounding guy. But he even
Speaker 7: takes a third wife his but his third wife he
Speaker 7: marries into uh Ishmael's clan. It's crazy about that. Is
Speaker 7: Ismael is his father's eldest brother, and him and Ismael
Speaker 7: have something in common. They're both the eldest brother that
Speaker 7: was screwed out of their birth right by their younger brother.
Speaker 7: So you can kind of imagine the family feud like
Speaker 7: hatred that was sown, you know, between these people and
Speaker 7: between this union, and you see it playing out today
Speaker 7: even when you turn on your news. Because when you
Speaker 7: go through the genealogies, all of your your Muslim nations,
Speaker 7: all of your Palestinian and people groups and religious groups
Speaker 7: that are constantly at enmity and at war with God's
Speaker 7: uh you know people, the Jews, it all stems from
Speaker 7: this seed war. It's a it's an ancient thing because.
Speaker 3: Now I think family few That's how I look at
Speaker 3: a lot of things.
Speaker 5: You're making at making a lot of sense to me there, justine,
Speaker 5: like what you're saying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's two you know, two you know, brothers,
Speaker 7: two family sets, both of them think that they were
Speaker 7: screwed out of their inheritance to their birthright in this land,
Speaker 7: and they're fighting to the death over it, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, and.
Speaker 7: That's why I named the book, you know, the the
Speaker 7: Epic of Esau and the subtitle is The Birthright and
Speaker 7: the Seed War.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, you know it would it would be fascinating
Speaker 5: then that there's these giants, you know, at the at
Speaker 5: the base of these oldest.
Speaker 3: Mounds here in America.
Speaker 5: And there's also tablets that connect to similarly the same
Speaker 5: same civilization of folks.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, the and that that that area of.
Speaker 5: Turkey and Syria was very important to the Crusades, if
Speaker 5: you're familiar with the First Crusade. They set up shopped
Speaker 5: there in uh for about twenty five years, so then
Speaker 5: you know the Knight's Temple of that as at least
Speaker 5: not sure, you know, I don't really pay much sense
Speaker 5: in those are those other knights orders if I can
Speaker 5: give you some templar history, and they they set up
Speaker 5: shopped there for about twenty five years for the the
Speaker 5: first crew said that was there, that was their headquarters
Speaker 5: in this uh in the mediate area of that that uh,
Speaker 5: this kind of uh you know, giants and the ancient
Speaker 5: Hittype folks come from.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was important on you know, in two facets,
Speaker 7: because number one, it had biblical importance because you know,
Speaker 7: this was the cradle of civilization. This is where they
Speaker 7: believed the Garden of Eden to be. This is where
Speaker 7: you know Mount this is close to Mount air At
Speaker 7: where and their beliefs. Yeah, the boat landed that restarted
Speaker 7: all civilization.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: And then at the same time, this was the center
Speaker 7: of a lot of trade routes. And this was the
Speaker 7: place that connected Europe to the Middle East and also Asia.
Speaker 7: So this was uh, right, a super highway. So you
Speaker 7: had the silk and and the spices coming from Asia.
Speaker 7: You had uh, the silver and the tin and stuff
Speaker 7: coming from Europe. I mean this was this was all
Speaker 7: crossing through.
Speaker 2: Yes, So this is.
Speaker 7: A very economic trade important place and it's also a
Speaker 7: religious historical important place.
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's the Holy Land, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I often wonder when when I looking at the templar stuff,
Speaker 5: what were they what were they more interested in stuff
Speaker 5: down in Jerusalem or stuff over there in this this
Speaker 5: old ancient hit type region, because again they seem to
Speaker 5: be that seemed to be their primary concern. It wasn't
Speaker 5: like they had to pass through that area and it
Speaker 5: couldn't go further south. They seem to want to do
Speaker 5: a lot of activity there and set up to shop
Speaker 5: there before they went anywhere else because again twenty five
Speaker 5: years or something like that.
Speaker 2: And nothing too. They need the money. They were trying
Speaker 2: to gather all their.
Speaker 7: Funds to fund all their explorations. And also this was
Speaker 7: a place where they thought, you know, possibility of the
Speaker 7: Garden of Eden. This was a place that was possible
Speaker 7: for the Noah's arc. So they were looking for these artifacts,
Speaker 7: and they were scavenging up money from all the trades
Speaker 7: and protecting merchants and doing you know, mercenary type work
Speaker 7: and protecting trade routes so they could fund explorations down
Speaker 7: into the Holy Land. And at the same time, the
Speaker 7: templars were going down into Ethiopia and looking for the
Speaker 7: ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 3: Sure, now, they were very interested in all that business.
Speaker 6: Sure right.
Speaker 5: I also think they they found troves of libraries over
Speaker 5: there in the Eastern Roman Empire that they didn't previously
Speaker 5: have access to. Yep, So not necessarily minetari or goal
Speaker 5: treasures or religious treasures, but you know, treasures nonetheless.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, what are your.
Speaker 5: Thoughts on this mound? Let's play a game called what
Speaker 5: are your thoughts on this Mount?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I am not familiar with it.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a fun one.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't you know, I don't know what they've done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's kinmonly referred to as the
Speaker 3: Honic Mound.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what this Wikipedia page, this the sources
Speaker 5: of all information on the interwebs. You know, someone seems
Speaker 5: to have added in some silliness in there. Perhaps Most
Speaker 5: folks claim this this mound didn't exist. That's that's the
Speaker 5: overwhelming narrative.
Speaker 2: Until they've not found it.
Speaker 5: Well, I found it. I found it my phone in
Speaker 5: this map. I got into a dispute with some for
Speaker 5: some reason. There was these retired NSA guys also trying
Speaker 5: to find this mound, and they published an article in
Speaker 5: the local newspaper there in Clairemont County, Ohio the location
Speaker 5: of this mound. And then I saw I wrote to
Speaker 5: them an email, and so this is all very mysterious
Speaker 5: to me this was going on. They didn't say they
Speaker 5: were former NSA guys until I contacted. I saw the
Speaker 5: article reached out these fellas. They were using light ar
Speaker 5: to search for this mound in an area not where
Speaker 5: this mound was located.
Speaker 3: So I wrote them in emails, like you fellas.
Speaker 5: Any luck finding the mound and They're like, oh no,
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, yeah, how you you know.
Speaker 3: What are you all doing? What are you all working
Speaker 3: with there?
Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, we're a couple retired to say,
Speaker 5: guys looking for this mound. We're using light arm. Okay,
Speaker 5: did you read the map? And I asked them, did
Speaker 5: you read the map? Because no, no, no, we got
Speaker 5: light r We all start something like no, no, did but
Speaker 5: did you did you look at the map and did
Speaker 5: you read the map? The bottom of this map gives
Speaker 5: clear instructions from the beginning point of the fork of
Speaker 5: the Little Miami River to the eastern fork of the
Speaker 5: Little Miami River in the precise distance in which you'll
Speaker 5: find right right to the top of this uh.
Speaker 3: They call it an oil lamp or you know in
Speaker 3: Minora or over the honic mound.
Speaker 5: It's been referred to in various forms and fashions because
Speaker 5: there was a thing nine nine fellas.
Speaker 3: Who uh over about a twelve year span.
Speaker 5: They were a member of that secret society that I
Speaker 5: was talking about at the start of America, George Washington
Speaker 5: Society of Cincinnati. They were all military officers and surveyors,
Speaker 5: guys that were advanced in mathematics at the time where
Speaker 5: you know, even in this country, folks were allegedly not
Speaker 5: supposed to be that advanced in mathematics outside of you know,
Speaker 5: outside of these elite colleges and whatnot that. But anyhow,
Speaker 5: these folks over about twelve year time span, took numerous
Speaker 5: trips here. Not an easy venture, you know, to you know,
Speaker 5: to get you know, to this location. Necessarily there's no
Speaker 5: highways or roads. It's all rivers and stuff. And they
Speaker 5: drew this map, you know, various surveys, and today it
Speaker 5: sits at the bottom of a lake. Oh figures in
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty seven of the US car Army Corps of
Speaker 5: Engineers wanted to build one of their damn projects there
Speaker 5: and fill in and fill in this town of Bantam, Ohio.
Speaker 5: And and they lost the court case and they did
Speaker 5: it anyway, so and then they got sued so as
Speaker 5: a result of violating the court order of not to
Speaker 5: do it. So for whatever reason, it seemed like someone
Speaker 5: had a very uh there's a clear intent in my opinion,
Speaker 5: to bury this mound at the bottom of about one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty feet of very dirty I wouldn't go
Speaker 5: in there, definitely don't touch that water. Lake water.
Speaker 7: They done something similar in East Tennessee and you can
Speaker 7: actually look it up. It's you know, accessible news. They
Speaker 7: even made a museum, but the name is slipping me.
Speaker 7: But they built a dam and flooded this town. And uh,
Speaker 7: but they had found pyramids and they thought it was
Speaker 7: like remnants of Egyptian stuff, and even the Smithsonian was involved,
Speaker 7: and but they told them, even after they found everything,
Speaker 7: now we're still building the dam. We're still flooding this
Speaker 7: this part of the valley, so mad dash. You got
Speaker 7: like two weeks to dig and find what you can,
Speaker 7: and everybody went in and dug and found everything they could,
Speaker 7: and then they flooded it. And they built like a
Speaker 7: little museum and put the artifacts and stuff that they
Speaker 7: found in there. But uh, you know, a lot of
Speaker 7: conspiracy theorists say that it was an Egyptian uh pyramid
Speaker 7: complex that they found in East Tennessee.
Speaker 5: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. Are you familiar with
Speaker 5: the back Creek stone? Mm hmm, it's from East Tennessee.
Speaker 2: He says.
Speaker 3: The Bad Creek bat b a T creek on the right, Tessee.
Speaker 7: That looks like that Phoenician script. That paleo stuff that
Speaker 7: Barry Feil found at America's Stonehenge.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 5: It's supposedly Paleo Hebrew, first century Paleo Hebrew YEP. Smithsonian
Speaker 5: dug it up in the sixties claimed it was Cherokee, right,
Speaker 5: ancient Cherokee rite the Cheroke. He's like, we didn't invent
Speaker 5: writing to like seventeen oh five, buddy, what the fuck
Speaker 5: are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: So I think Cheroke here is one of the lost tribes.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, well there you go. This is some of
Speaker 5: the evidence maybe supporting that. Right, maybe they built the
Speaker 5: Honia Mound.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: Possibility. I spoke with that. He's actually a friend of mine.
Speaker 7: He's the local guy. He this fifteen minutes from me.
Speaker 7: I just found this out this year. But Chief Joseph Riverwind,
Speaker 7: he's been on a lot of documentaries of La Marzouli's
Speaker 7: and actually made him in person and film some stuff
Speaker 7: with him. But he actually found a like a ford
Speaker 7: to five foot bronze Nephelim lance. I mean, this is
Speaker 7: just the blade of it. It's like four or five
Speaker 7: foot long. It weighs like twenty something pounds and it
Speaker 7: was on the end of like a huge javelin. Hear
Speaker 7: that story of the Giant of Kandahar, how he had
Speaker 7: this huge spear and impaled two or three men on
Speaker 7: this one spear. It was the same kind of weapon,
Speaker 7: but they found it up in Michigan.
Speaker 2: But I got pictures. I got to hold this freaking thing.
Speaker 7: It was awesome. But he was talking about how his
Speaker 7: wife is Cherokee and that they believed that they were
Speaker 7: one of the lost tribes of Israel, and then all
Speaker 7: this diaspora and stuff that they come over here, because
Speaker 7: he said they went to Israel as a First Nation
Speaker 7: representatives and that they were singing songs at the wall
Speaker 7: in their Cherokee language and that there was a Jewish
Speaker 7: man there. And after they got done singing, it was like, oh,
Speaker 7: that was so beautiful, you singing about this, this and this,
Speaker 7: and told them about several things that they were singing about,
Speaker 7: and he was like some of it I couldn't understand,
Speaker 7: but but yeah, but you said this, this and this,
Speaker 7: and he said he pretty much told him what they
Speaker 7: were singing about, that he knew the majority of it.
Speaker 7: And it was like, oh, you know, Cherokee language, you know,
Speaker 7: And he was like, no, you were singing uh old
Speaker 7: ancient Jewish or Hebrew.
Speaker 2: And they were like, no, that was Cherokee.
Speaker 7: And then they got the talk and it was like
Speaker 7: that the languages were so similar, and like that the
Speaker 7: name of Yahweh was almost identical.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that. I didn't know it was so similar.
Speaker 5: I've heard the tales of the Cherokee. I have a
Speaker 5: lot of Cherokee in my family tree, so I have
Speaker 5: heard the tales of being the lost tribes.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm familiar with the the back Creeks done other such evidence.
Speaker 5: I'm certainly not ruling it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It seems it seems very plausible to me.
Speaker 2: I had to just that. I was all blurry bro.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell is going off my camera?
Speaker 5: Well, gents, I appreciate with your time to Steven joining
Speaker 5: for for the Friday's Nick as always is j co
Speaker 5: host here and just has been great to meet. You'll
Speaker 5: turn the table both over to you, gents for some
Speaker 5: some closing statements around out the tonight's conversation.
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to say I appreciate both your
Speaker 3: all time.
Speaker 8: I'll go freshman all kime h, thanks for coming on. Man,
Speaker 8: that was some really good stuff. It was a really
Speaker 8: good talk. I like the nouns. I even like the
Speaker 8: stuff we're talking about at the beginning. Uh, really final thoughts.
Speaker 8: Really ain't got much to say. Really, check out the
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Speaker 6: So thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 5: And interject there, Justin Fru turned the table over to you. There, sir,
Speaker 5: it's wanted to point out Nick, we just did some
Speaker 5: excellent Mormon conversations with uh with Heidi there gone as
Speaker 5: a guest on the Occult Rejects. So I was I
Speaker 5: want to be some ad biased, I'm I'm participant in
Speaker 5: such conversations, but I really enjoyed them. I think they're
Speaker 5: some excellent conversations that folks are going to enjoy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, check that out and drop tomorrow.
Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, Justin sir, appreciate you again.
Speaker 5: Appreciate your time, and you got my wheels turning on
Speaker 5: a lot of subjects to that.
Speaker 3: Definitely enjoyed the conversation so many different things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I thank you guys for having me. Man,
Speaker 7: I had a really good time. Hopefully this is the
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Speaker 7: That's one thing I always say that this is we
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Speaker 7: all going to agree on everything. So if you get
Speaker 7: a group of people that say they agree on everything,
Speaker 7: you better run from that too, because that's in occult.
Speaker 3: For sure.
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Speaker 3: Nice. No, it's awesome. I got your links in the know.
Speaker 3: I like the friends. The friends just come missus JJ.
Speaker 5: Yeah is that mister or mister McCrone which one.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: The fall this slash, That's what I'm saying there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, shim shows you.
Speaker 3: The Uh.
Speaker 5: No, I got your links in the in the notes
Speaker 5: here to Justin, So folks want to check that out.
Speaker 3: The link the links.
Speaker 5: They're already great conversation, Nick, Justin. I definitely appreciate all
Speaker 5: the U the new the new stuff you got popping
Speaker 5: off my brain oil here. But definitely yeah, link up
Speaker 5: on the mounds again the future for sure. I liked
Speaker 5: uh the time. Like I said, you're up in a
Speaker 5: while doing some mound, some mound uh you know visits.
Speaker 5: Let me let me know, happy to happy to give
Speaker 5: you a too, or some some of the other sites
Speaker 5: around the area that maybe you don't. We're off the
Speaker 5: beaten paths, so to speak, because this again, this is
Speaker 5: mound country. But they're not all like uh, they're not
Speaker 5: all state parks, they're not all national parks. Some of
Speaker 5: them don't have signs. I stumbled across a few in
Speaker 5: North Carolina at a dog park when I was passing
Speaker 5: through there a few weeks ago. I sent nick picture
Speaker 5: for those from the dog park. I said, sometimes I
Speaker 5: find the mouths and sometimes the mounds find me. So
Speaker 5: definitely lots of mounts.
Speaker 2: Field trip.
Speaker 3: Yeah there you go.
Speaker 8: Definitely done with that, man, for sure, I'm dying to
Speaker 8: use my equipment whenever I can.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the but yeah, I appreciate folks with the interwebs
Speaker 5: chat chats always cracking me up here. Wh we were
Speaker 5: having a good time there, for sure. It looks like
Speaker 5: everyone everyone else having a good time. A lot a
Speaker 5: lot of folks who joined, a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 5: You're a lot of new information from the you know,
Speaker 5: from the chat, like like a lot of folks were
Speaker 5: saying there to justin so good for the for sure,
Speaker 5: awesome stuff. But yeah, Operation GCD Live Wednesdays seven pm
Speaker 5: and of course Fridays, you know, back here next Friday.
Speaker 3: But did a comparison of OJ the O J.
Speaker 5: Simpson did not do it in Idaho four case comparison
Speaker 5: this past Wednesday night, which I you know, again biased
Speaker 5: because it's my show, but I highly recommend it. Folks
Speaker 5: want to understand that OJ didn't do it, and the
Speaker 5: same playbooks almost being rolled out here to frame Coburger,
Speaker 5: strangely enough, involving the some some of the same characters
Speaker 5: and nefarious activities surrounding the cases.
Speaker 3: It's an odd environment. It's an odd environment indeed.
Speaker 5: But and of course scientology is involved, not in the
Speaker 5: IDO four case, necessarily not, but in the.
Speaker 7: OJ you must quit and that what they said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not it's an odd uh. You know, whenever
Speaker 5: I learned to OJ was a scientologist, I was like, well,
Speaker 5: what the the fuck?
Speaker 3: Why would they not in are that in any previous
Speaker 3: detail about the guy? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So you know, it's not a bunch of scientiflogis. But nonetheless, yeah,
Speaker 5: the I'm not sure what I'm doing next Wednesday night,
Speaker 5: so we'll tune in folks to find out, and again
Speaker 5: thanks for joining us here tonight.
Speaker 3: Any parting words, Fellas.
Speaker 7: The difference between the known and the unknown is the journey.
Speaker 2: Good journey, guys.
Speaker 3: There you go.