WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:03.399 The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:05.879 dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect 3 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:09.439 the opinions of the host. The purpose of the show 4 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:11.359 is to have interesting conversations, stretch. 5 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:13.519 Our minds and grow not what we want. 6 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.399 If you are looking for an echo chamber viewer and 7 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:18.320 listener discretion's aged? 8 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:23.800 Did you talk about extreme? 9 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.200 What is happening? And what is the hold out your glass? 10 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:36.679 Because we're about to feel. 11 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.200 The join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown. 12 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.920 It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save, 13 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:51.119 and innumerable treasures to hoard. Our torch is high. 14 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.759 You know, look at it from a different perspective, different perspective. 15 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:05.640 How did folks? 16 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:10.239 Your host Double j host of Operation GCD, along with Nick, 17 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:12.359 the host of The Occult Rejects for another Fridays. 18 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:13.040 How you doing, Nick? 19 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:14.959 What's going on? Sir? 20 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:17.359 Doing well? Good sir? 21 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.879 Thanks for joining me here as always for another Friday. 22 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.359 Is always a good time linking up here to talk 23 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:27.319 whatever conspiracy culture topics we got on deck here tonight 24 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:31.879 along with our guests. Justin, host of Prometheus Lens Podcast. 25 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.640 How you doing, sir? 26 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:34.920 I'm doing good. Thank you boys for having me. 27 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:40.439 Of course absolutely joined us. 28 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.239 I've only recently been introduced to your podcast and even 29 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:45.519 more recently been introduced to your book that apparently you 30 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.959 just recently published, The Epic of Esau right. 31 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:51.719 Yeah, yeah, it's been off about a month now. 32 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:56.840 Nice, awesome, awesome. Something I didn't want to ask you 33 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:58.239 just real quick. I'm so sorry, jjy. 34 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:01.319 And what made you pick your the name to your pumpkins? 35 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:03.719 Yeah. 36 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:07.079 I've always been a kind of a deep thinker with 37 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.680 the whole symbolism and stuff like that. 38 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.080 And when I read. 39 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:16.840 Joseph Campbell's book The Hero of a Thousand Faces, that 40 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.080 really opened up a lot of doors for me, and 41 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:22.159 I've seen things in a whole new light. And he 42 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.360 talked about the hero's journey, and that's kind of what 43 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:27.159 I coined the show. 44 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:29.120 You know, I say, it's the hero's journey. You have 45 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:30.159 to go. 46 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:33.360 Into the unknown and slay the dragon and rescue the 47 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.400 damsel and hoard up the treasure, and then you come 48 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.319 out on the other end as a hero. But in 49 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.759 all those Greek stories, you acquire this this prize of 50 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:42.680 great wealth, this. 51 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.400 Boon, but then you have to. 52 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:48.360 Come back to humanity and share that prize of great 53 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:52.520 well and start someone else on their hero's journey. So 54 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:54.919 it's all about that. So you know, Prometheus, he was 55 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.520 the the guy that stole the fire and shared it 56 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.400 with humanity, and so it's it's the whole stealing of 57 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.759 the fire and sharing it with humanity. 58 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.120 It's kind of like what I get at when I say, 59 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.360 like my experience is fucking with magic and Christ and 60 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.599 the Abyss. It's not like these experiences aren't to come 61 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.759 back to use it, manipulate and mind fuck people and 62 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:15.280 make money. 63 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.520 It's actually share my experience. That's kind of what I say. 64 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:23.439 I've always I've always called the hero's journey basically a 65 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:26.639 nice long tail explaining crossing the Abyss. 66 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.159 Oh yeah, And that's one of those things, you know, 67 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.879 whether whether you realize it or not, everybody is on 68 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.759 the hero's journey. You know, we all have a call 69 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.039 to adventure. It's just whether we accept that call to 70 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.599 adventure or sit on the couch and deny it. But 71 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:44.280 we all have that opportunity. 72 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:46.840 Yes, I agree, we will. 73 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:47.960 Do I did. 74 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.159 I didn't realize there was a comparison between cross and 75 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:56.000 the Abyss and the Hero's journey I'm familiar with. You think, yeah, 76 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.319 you think there's some strong correlations there. 77 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.879 Oh, for sure, I think yeah. 78 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:05.360 Tomato tomato, you know what you call it, you know, 79 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:07.319 sure verbiage. 80 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:12.159 Well, I was wondering, was Joseph Campbell and the cult 81 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.400 is who? You know? Told that in more of a 82 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.319 fictional kind of you know setting. 83 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:18.439 Oh, I don't know. 84 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:23.560 He was definitely not a Christian, but he was talking 85 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.519 about how you have this trope throughout history, and he 86 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.639 was talking about all the different dying and resurrecting gods 87 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:37.360 and how you always have this archetype. How you have 88 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:41.680 this foundling, someone that doesn't realize who they are, and 89 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:45.639 there's someone special, whether they're a prince or a queen, 90 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.399 and they've been raised by someone that's not their father, 91 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.959 you know, and they don't know who they are, and 92 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.319 then they get this call to adventure by a wise 93 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:55.800 sage and they go into the unknown on this adventure 94 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.360 and they rise back to power and the redemption the 95 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.879 Lion King. All these stories had this same plot line 96 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.720 and twists. So that's what he was calling it, you 97 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:07.399 know that it was the Hero of a Thousand Faces. 98 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:12.000 Yeah, And if I'm not mistaken. George Lucas was such 99 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.720 a fan he had him on the set of Star Wars. 100 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:16.439 There you'll see that Sam Spree you just described in 101 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:17.680 the story of Luke Skywalker. 102 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:18.879 Yep. 103 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.240 And that's why it was so successful, because he had 104 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:25.439 all the archetypes and storylines, plots and twists of Joseph 105 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:27.639 Campbell's story in there. 106 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:32.000 No, for sure, it's well well well written, characters well developed, 107 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:37.480 for sure, and Campbell kind of built upon Young's archetypt types, right, 108 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.920 I mean that's a lot of yes, kind of the 109 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.079 got the kind of the the godfather of you will 110 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:44.360 of archetypes. 111 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:45.839 M hm. 112 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:49.439 I mean it is interesting, yeah, stories you see it 113 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.759 play out. I mean obviously in these days here in 114 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:54.920 a post mean world twenty twenty four is left to 115 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.120 call it, where things were used to be memes are 116 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.720 now reality. I mean you see these things in fiction 117 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.639 working out in reality and vice versa. So you know, Campbell, 118 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:06.519 does you know? It was really enlightening to me too 119 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.120 when I read that stuff from Campbell about how these 120 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.879 things play out, all these stories about history. 121 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.199 Well yeah, C. S. 122 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:13.720 Lewis too. 123 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.360 I like how he said it, because you know, Campbell 124 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:17.160 was not a Christian. 125 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:17.680 But C. S. 126 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.319 Lewis was a Christian, and because even in the Heroes 127 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.839 of a Thousand Faces, he said that, you know, Christ 128 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:27.800 was another one of those tropes and another one of 129 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.639 those archetypes. He was just another one of those, you know, 130 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.120 heroes of a thousand faces. 131 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:34.680 But C. S. 132 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:41.360 Lewis said that Christ was the myth that became fact, 133 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:45.120 and he had a whole storyline and twist of that too. 134 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:49.480 And Louis Marcos he's a Greek philosopher and scholar. He 135 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.360 actually wrote a book called The Myth Made Fact and 136 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:56.079 kind of dived into C. S. Lewis's work and stuff 137 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.519 on that. But his was kind of in your face, 138 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:00.240 you know when you read that the line in the 139 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.319 Witch and the Wardrobe, the lion that sacrifices himself and 140 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.160 resurrects you know, I mean that that's pretty obvious and 141 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.480 in your face there that wasn't too esoteric. 142 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.079 Yeah, I'm not familiar with with the stories and the books. 143 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:16.399 I never really read them. With it when I was 144 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.879 a child, I related it too much to the Wizard 145 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.120 of Oz, you know, which is and lions and stuff. 146 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.240 I was like, I'm out on both of these, which 147 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:29.079 is your lines in my life? So, uh, do you 148 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.480 cover this on Justin? Do you cover this on Prometheus 149 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.399 Lens or you know, are these some of the topics 150 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:34.000 you cover there? 151 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:35.240 Yeah. 152 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:37.439 Uh, that's the thing. It's it's a it's a huge 153 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:41.360 gambit of things. I tell everybody, it's everything from from 154 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:46.000 Jesus to Aliens, to the Bible, to conspiracy theories to archetypes. 155 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:47.120 Uh. 156 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:49.879 I even had a show that was just on archetypes 157 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:54.240 that went through Disney characters and popular books and uh, 158 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.759 Carl Jung's archetypes and and things like that. 159 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.439 So it's it's a wide gam but of things. 160 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:03.759 It's all about the the hero's journey and looking into 161 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.079 things and from a different perspective and self growth and 162 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.800 things like that. So it's a large gambit of things. 163 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.360 Nice and your most your most recent effort is The 164 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:17.040 Epic of Es. 165 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.160 Yeah, it's my first book. 166 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:20.399 Man. 167 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.040 Uh, I tell people I was a wild child man 168 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:27.279 of people that knew me growing up, I was in 169 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:30.240 and out of jail on drugs and wild man. I 170 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:32.679 was never a studious guy. I never liked to read. 171 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:33.600 Uh. 172 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.240 It was like in twenty twelve, man, a switch flipped 173 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.759 in me and I just started reading all the time 174 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:44.240 and studying stuff. And so if you talk to somebody, 175 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.080 you know, back in my high school days and said, 176 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:51.639 oh yeah, Justin's gonna you know, read thousands of books 177 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:54.480 and do a podcast and talk about all this you know, 178 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.080 cool stuff and write a book. They laugh, you know, 179 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.799 and I laugh at them too. Sure it's something I 180 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:02.639 never thought I would do. 181 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.120 He would be liked up. He ain't doing that shit. 182 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:06.720 Yeah, exactly. 183 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.320 If he's alive, he'll be in prison. 184 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.600 Went abouts in twenty twelve and was did you did 185 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:15.519 you meet this revelation? 186 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.759 Honestly, I was, you know, doom scrolling one day and 187 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.600 I stumbled across you guys for me with Trey. 188 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.000 Smith from God in a Nutshell. 189 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.120 Not him. 190 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.399 I actually just stumbled across him on YouTube and he 191 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:38.279 was talking about falling angels coming down and breeding with 192 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.120 the daughters of men and creating these hybrid you know, 193 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:48.240 these hybrid nephilim giants, and that they corrupted the land 194 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.360 and that they were you know, cannibalism and they were 195 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.840 eating the people and corrupting the land and doing. 196 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:54.279 All this stuff. 197 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.799 And that's why it got so bad that God had 198 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:02.080 to bring the flood and talking about aliens and demons 199 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.639 just all this you know, crazy stuff, and uh, all 200 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:06.960 this stuff that he says that was. 201 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:07.639 In the Bible. 202 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:10.960 And I was like, man, this dude's crazy. You know, 203 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.240 I'm from East Tennessee. I'm from East Tennessee. You know 204 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.960 it's the Bible Belt. You know, I was raising the 205 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.200 church from the time I was a little boy. I 206 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.639 thought I knew these stories in the Bible really well. 207 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:24.159 And I'm like, this dude's full of crap. So I 208 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.720 started pulling out my Bible. I started looking through this stuff, 209 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.440 and man, sure enough, all that stuff was right there 210 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:32.080 the whole time. It was just I was I fell 211 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.360 victim to the Mandela effect. 212 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:34.720 You know. 213 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:38.320 I relied too heavily on the teachings of my pastor 214 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:40.480 and the people that was telling me these stories, and 215 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:44.399 I wasn't looking into myself. So I was like my 216 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.320 curious mind. Man, I was like, I have to know. 217 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.639 So I just started this journey, you know, this hero's journey. 218 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:52.519 Man, I have to know. 219 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.519 That's awesome now, I tell you know what you mean there, 220 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:02.120 because I actually came to it different route. Similar revelations 221 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:04.879 around the same time. They're in twenty twelve. Looking back, 222 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.159 I think I told Nick this story one day recently 223 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.320 when we were Frisbee golfing. 224 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:09.919 I was down. 225 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:11.840 I was down passing through Nick's neck of the woods, 226 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:16.159 down not far from Tennessee, North Carolina. There we're introduced 227 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.960 them to frisbee golf. Not sure I love it, but yeah, fantastic. 228 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:21.120 Yeah that's big here too. 229 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.120 Yeah, but I was. 230 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.440 A Carolina I'm right on the edge of East Tennessee 231 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.519 and western North Carolina. I'm like, uh, actually, I'm like 232 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.200 one hour away from Ashville. 233 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:40.919 Oh yeah, yeah, how far from Nashville itself? 234 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:43.879 The Ashville Yeah, I know. 235 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:44.960 But you are you in Tennessee? 236 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:45.240 Where? 237 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:46.600 Where? Where do you live? Actually? 238 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.559 Yeah, I'm like right on the eastern tip of Tennessee, 239 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:50.799 like Greenville. 240 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.799 Okay, I's fucked up. I'm in Greenville, North Carolina. 241 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:59.080 Yeah, Greenville. 242 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:02.919 That's funny. But mind you just add an extra e. 243 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:04.960 It's g r E E n E. 244 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:09.519 Alright, I got you the British spelling. 245 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:15.600 Yeah yeah, but yeah, So I was telling Nick, I 246 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.440 was like, looking back at this whole conspiracy culture idea 247 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.120 of the end of the world in twenty twelve, right, 248 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.399 you know what I mean? Yeah, you may have some 249 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.879 some particular views from it from a more Christian perspective. 250 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.639 I grew up Mormon technically, you know, Christians, but you know, well, 251 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:34.440 you know, when when Joseph Smith's the number one character 252 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:38.080 in your religion, it's you know, not really Jesus Christ 253 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:39.720 is kind of you know, coming second, right, you know 254 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.320 what I mean. So they call themselves Christians, right, And 255 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.799 technically then there's a guy near the planet Cola. But 256 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:46.759 that's a different story altogether. So I don't want to 257 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.519 get into those dase dynamics necessarily. But what I'm saying 258 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.159 is you probably have a different perspective, is you know, 259 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:52.559 with this whole end of the world stuff and in 260 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.799 apocalyptic fashions or the term apocalypse and whatnot, because you know, 261 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.120 the whole, the whole everyone was gonna everyone was saying 262 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.200 back in twenty twelve, you know, the Mayan calendar nonsense 263 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:06.200 that got heavily perpetrated through well financed shows on television 264 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.360 by the way, you know, freaking people out on that 265 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.519 whole nonsense. But nonetheless, like that was December twenty first, right, 266 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.240 it was the solstice that's supposed to occur. And I 267 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:16.960 just looking back I think it's kind of funny because 268 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:21.039 December fourteenth, twenty twelve, was a very revelatory, you know 269 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.279 time for me. The you know, very very much like 270 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.799 an apocalyptic event in my life, which just you know, 271 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.120 suddenly I was struck with not understanding anything and wanting 272 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.480 to understand everything kind of deal. And that was after 273 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:38.039 watching the the school shooting there in Connecticut, right, and 274 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.000 I hail from that region of Connecticut, so you know, 275 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.639 it was very compelling. You know when I when I 276 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.840 first saw it, and I as a served twenty years 277 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:49.840 in Air Force Military Police and I was serving at 278 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:53.720 the time, and you know, I nothing sat round with me, 279 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.000 you know, immediately upon watching that stuff on the TV, 280 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.240 so you know, I was immediately in a you know, 281 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:01.159 in a different world. 282 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.000 Yeah, a lot of people did, man, A lot of 283 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.840 people that I talked to. Twenty twelve was just like 284 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.759 a nape of the switch for a lot of people. Man, 285 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.600 seems like, I hate to use the new agey you 286 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:16.960 know turn, but it's like the Great Awakening kind of. 287 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.559 Thing, right right, Well, yeah, and. 288 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:24.960 He'll Billy Marky Mark. Yeah, the Twain gave it away, man, 289 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:29.759 you know. 290 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:33.399 And like an ancient Greek apocalyptic kind of sense, you know, 291 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:36.519 the revelation of like, you know, kind of of everything, right. 292 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:38.759 You know, I don't know what your kind of thoughts 293 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:41.639 on the apocalypse are. I know again he said, you know, 294 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.240 being in the Bible Belt, the term apocalypse can mean 295 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.039 some real fire and brimstone type of stuff. 296 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:46.440 I'm sure. 297 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:51.440 Yeah, Well, one thing that's pretty crazy. It's kind of relevant. 298 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:53.639 And I just did a show recently with with a 299 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:55.960 Gal that I'll be releasing in a. 300 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:56.639 Couple of weeks. 301 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.480 But twenty twenty five, man, you know, I mean, I 302 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.600 hate those I'm not setting dates. I'm not a date setter, 303 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:07.039 and you know, yeah, but twenty twenty five, it is 304 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.960 going to be a crazy year. And especially like when 305 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:14.919 you look at prophecy, the Bible and even like science 306 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:20.679 and stuff like the text at cumeron the scenes, they 307 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.399 had their own calendar and they said that twenty twenty five, 308 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.519 you're coming into the Final Jubilee. 309 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.200 You know, Jubilee is fifty. 310 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.799 Years and they think that that they divided history up 311 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:39.480 in ages, and they said that we are now in 312 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.720 the Final Age, and that at every age in the 313 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:47.000 Final Jubilee there was some kind of earth shaking you know, 314 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.159 event that happened. So the end of the first age 315 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:55.279 was the flood, the second one was the come or 316 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.559 actually the Tower of Bible, and then the next one 317 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.600 was the coming of Christ in the destruction of the Temple. 318 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.679 And this final one, you know, it's up for grabs 319 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:09.039 what it's going to be. But in Revelation you hear 320 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:14.159 about uh, one of the seals this uh it sounds 321 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:18.679 like an asteroid coming and it's called wormwood and it 322 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.639 says that you know, wormwood hits the Earth and a 323 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.320 third of the forests are burned, a third of the 324 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:28.000 waters are spoiled, and all this stuff. And it puts 325 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:30.000 it right smack dab in the middle. 326 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.440 Is the tribulation that's the moon from Mars? Is that 327 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:36.759 the same on or is that a different one? 328 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:38.440 Because it might be a different one. 329 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:41.240 But because we don't know what it is, that it 330 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.519 just it describes it in the Book of Revelation. It 331 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:50.519 sounds you know, like a oh, that's yeah. But back 332 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:54.960 a few years ago, NASA announced and it leaked, Okay, 333 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.679 it wasn't supposed to get out. It leaked that they 334 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:02.600 had found an asteroid on a collision course for Earth. 335 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:08.200 And this was probably around two thousand, somewhere between twenty 336 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.319 twelve twenty fifteen, and that it was going to hit 337 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.119 Earth and it was going to be like a world killer, right, 338 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:20.160 and it leaked. People start freaking out, well like the 339 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:24.480 next day, and they said that they named it a Pofos, 340 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.519 and a Popos is a name of an Egyptian chaos god. Yes, 341 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:32.839 mean he's talking a Meani knows about it. And this 342 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.640 chaos dragging god in the Egyptian lord chased the sun 343 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:39.480 and would try to devour the sun. 344 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:40.359 It was a sun eater. 345 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.559 And so it's crazy that they named this comet that 346 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.640 was on a collision course for Earth a Pofos, And 347 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.440 so it leaks out right now. The next day they 348 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:55.200 come out and say, oh, it was a mistake. 349 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:56.480 Yes, there is. 350 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.680 A comet coming our way, and we named it a 351 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:05.240 pof But our mathematicians made a mistake. And it's gonna 352 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:07.599 come by us, and in twenty twenty five we'll be 353 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.799 able to visually see it with the naked eye, but 354 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.240 it's not gonna be it's not gonna be nowhere near 355 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:14.359 close enough to hit us. 356 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.160 It's gonna be a near miss. 357 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.519 But it's funny that after that happens, Donald Trump gets elected, 358 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:28.920 Space Force is initiated. Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk. Everybody's obsessed 359 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.400 with getting back out into space again. I think we 360 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:34.920 have a whole Armageddon type thing going on. 361 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.799 Do you think Judge in that movie that's a spaceless. 362 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:41.359 Yeah. 363 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:43.640 I don't know, but I just thought that was crazy 364 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:48.039 that that happened. Then they at now Bezos and elon SpaceX. 365 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.039 We're suddenly all we're obsessed with getting. 366 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:51.400 Out into space. 367 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:54.160 And I thought about that movie Armageddon where they launch 368 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:56.039 out and they land on this asteroid and try to 369 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:58.440 blow up the smither rings to keep it from hitting Earth. 370 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.400 This is say the day. 371 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.039 This may sound like silly, but I have started to 372 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.599 question because of like just seeing certain things with the 373 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.920 asteroids even matching, like certain people's names that are getting popular, 374 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.839 or just weird shit coming after they announce them. I 375 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.119 have one in my opinion, I do think NASA is 376 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:20.000 just all. I think if you're an occultist and you've 377 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.839 had a magical experience, you might have someone of an 378 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:23.720 idea what they're actually showing you and telling you. 379 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:27.279 It's completely coded and deeply occult. I think that's just 380 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:28.160 my age. 381 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.920 I do think when they tell you about these meteors, 382 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:36.240 that foreshadowing what is about to come, or something's about 383 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:38.000 the kick off, or things are about to change, like 384 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:40.920 or something's in a working because like you go all 385 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.039 right about that, and like even we had that Rex 386 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:45.640 eighty four come and all of a sudden, we had 387 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.440 like tons of weird a true crime and just weird 388 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.160 shit going on, and like you know, go go beach, 389 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.960 all of a sudden popped back up out of nowhere 390 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:57.880 and the guy's Rex. You know when there's there's even 391 00:19:57.920 --> 00:19:59.920 Rex is even uh in the ot? 392 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:00.200 Thank you? 393 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.359 Oh if you get to I think like a certain degree, 394 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.519 Rex is part of your name, which is King, you know, 395 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.839 so just to me, so you're wondering, like what's going 396 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.680 on here with these names and the numbers, and why 397 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.079 is shit seems to get weird After you talk about 398 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:17.440 some asteroid and meteor that's in the sky, they kind. 399 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:19.759 Of yeah, well, I tell you agree there, tell you 400 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.680 about it. Oh what's that? Go ahead? 401 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.640 Justin even with the Friday the thirteenth, because with the 402 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:27.880 dates and stuff that they give for this a pofos 403 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:31.279 uh they said that you know in twenty twenty five. 404 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:33.319 We're supposed to be able to visually, you know, see 405 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:36.119 it with the naked eye or with a telescope. But 406 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:41.160 they predicted, the mathematicians that it was supposed to hit Earth. 407 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:50.720 I'm trying to think April Friday the thirteenth, in April, 408 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:53.440 I think of twenty twenty nine. 409 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:55.519 April thirteenth, twenty twenty nine. Yep. 410 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.920 Yeah, and so yeah, it's pretty interesting. So a lot 411 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.200 you know, biblical prophecy people are saying, well, Wormwood's right 412 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.559 in the middle of the tribulation. So if we take 413 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.720 that date and back up three and a half years, 414 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:12.400 then boom, we have the beginning of the Great Tribulation, 415 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:16.000 you know, and things. So, I mean it's it's interesting 416 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:17.319 to say the least. 417 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:21.920 No, I mean, it's certainly interesting because we do, as 418 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.440 Nick was pointing out, we put a lot of money 419 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.079 to these programs from tax paying public, you know, the 420 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.039 NASA and you know Space Force, and I just with 421 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.240 the way I look at all these things with spaces, yes, 422 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:35.599 I think it's deeply o cult stuff, ocultism stuff, because 423 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:37.920 you know, on a surface level, just with the names. 424 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.400 But also I mean every aspect of space seems to 425 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:43.359 be that with all these ancient alien cargo cults. I mean, 426 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.359 look at the Heaven's Gate Colt. They were going to 427 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:47.039 jump a ride on a comet, you know what I mean. 428 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.720 They got on the roads and the nikes to do it. 429 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:54.119 Go ahead, go ahead, no goohead. 430 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:56.359 Something I wanted to add before we get We got off. 431 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:01.480 Pulfos stuck on it stuff. Fun fact. I don't know 432 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.640 if it's true, but it's you know, supposedly. The word 433 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:10.079 around the street is that when Churchill started using the 434 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:16.079 peace sign, Crowley gave him that as the sign of 435 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:17.119 a pfos. 436 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:19.680 Oh well that's interesting. 437 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:20.480 Yeah, to defeat. 438 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:22.759 I didn't know that that. 439 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.359 You mean, these are actually in the end, the the 440 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.960 the ritual of the hexagram, the less the ritual of 441 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:30.720 the hexagram. 442 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.359 You'll do the symbols of the l v X, and 443 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:35.640 one of them is like this, and. 444 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:39.079 Then you go like you make a swasticker to show 445 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:40.960 the morning of isis and then to show the rising 446 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.000 of the beasts, you make that. And Crowley was telling 447 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:45.960 him that with trump the swasticker. But I mean you're 448 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:48.640 using all those things in some ritual that was prior 449 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:49.400 to World War Two. 450 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:55.599 Yeah, he very much popularized the you know, the peace 451 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.079 symbol to Churchill did, and that was he was big 452 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.400 on the media campaigns with some of that stuff. Uh 453 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.680 you know, the whole whatever that is they make those shirts, 454 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:08.759 uh whatever. There was all political you know, popularized sign 455 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:10.519 that's now a popular shirt these days. 456 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:14.359 Eat eat you know, uh, some work on or whatever. 457 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.119 I don't I don't know. 458 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.960 It was good folks to go back to work during 459 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:20.480 while they're getting actively bombed by not you know. 460 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:27.160 That's what I'm saying. Churchill was good at their there 461 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:32.160 you go. Yeah, yeah, the that's interesting. 462 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.000 You know, I've long assumed Churchill was in some some 463 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:38.440 occult behavior just based on the Society of Cincinnati membership. 464 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:45.680 That's word on the street. It is interesting. 465 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.359 Yeah, I do think there's a lot of occult stuff 466 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:51.880 going on here with these I mean in in various 467 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.359 I think rituals, varying sizes and shapes, very you know 468 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.000 folks that do it. Because yeah, there's not an aspect 469 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:02.079 like looking when I look back at like all these 470 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.960 space programs and just the idea of rockets and the 471 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:06.079 idea of space travel. 472 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.559 They came from science fiction writers who were all. 473 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:10.200 With Coultar rockets j. 474 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:12.279 Parsons, Jack Parts. 475 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:14.720 You know, they're friends with l Ron Hubbard, right, this 476 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.079 is you know, these are the people like not not 477 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.559 Jules Verne. I guess you could technically say he was 478 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.200 the first guy to write about, you know, space travel, 479 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.680 but it was really Arthur C. Clark, Isaac Asimov. These 480 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.880 guys are part of the the sci fi writers Club 481 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:31.440 of l Ron Hubbard. You know, these were they, you know, 482 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.160 according to their editor of that club fell upon him 483 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.079 of Forrest Ackerman. He he says, they were all they 484 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.559 were all doing Jack's thing, the OTO, and then l 485 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.920 Ron created a new thing, and they're all doing Elron's thing. 486 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.799 So seemingly they went from OTO to scientology. But what 487 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.160 I'm saying is this whole they're clearly a cultist within 488 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.720 this group, and which is why I found it strange. 489 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:54.039 During the Apollo eleven launches, they would have those two 490 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.519 men on TV being like the I don't know, the 491 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:01.359 scientific advisor to the launch on Life TV. One was 492 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:04.519 on like ABC, I think, another on NBC. Isaac asim 493 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:09.519 Off and Arthur C. Clark. Consequently enough, both men have some 494 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:11.839 real dealing issues around them too. By the way, that 495 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:17.279 whole group does he's some of the problems on above 496 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:18.119 the Nazis. 497 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.480 Go ahead, Justin, I was. 498 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:22.519 Just gonna say a guy, it's a buddy of mine 499 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.319 that he's were probably asking really good conversations with and 500 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:31.640 thoroughly enjoy Uh. Tim Constantine from sixth Century Podcast. I've 501 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:33.960 had him on the show and talking about Nazi Germany 502 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.359 and occultism, and he's really big into the stuff that 503 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.680 you're talking about. And he was talking one of the 504 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.640 shows I had. Yeah, that's what he was talking about that. 505 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:49.039 Yeah, I'm actually went on. Yeah, he's a cool dude and. 506 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.480 All the occult sex, magic and stuff going on, even 507 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.400 with there's a lot of stuff with a nana going on. 508 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.960 Oh that's what it was. He came on for a 509 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.279 nana and all that and all that stuff. Yeah, I 510 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:02.440 had a month. Yeah, that was pretty interesting. 511 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.880 Well, you're very familiar with ancon Egypt, right, Justin. 512 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:07.240 You know that's you said. You go into a lot 513 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.759 of history and alternative history topics there. Yeah, so you know, 514 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.480 so you're familiar with the like they revered the obelisk 515 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:19.039 in some sort of you know, almost sex magic kind 516 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:19.480 of fashion. 517 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:24.279 Right, it's the penis of Osiris. 518 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.759 Right, right, but you can almost to me, I kind 519 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.359 of look at that, and I look at these rockets 520 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.880 right there, looked like big obelists that they they had 521 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.599 a sex magic ritual to create the fuel to go 522 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.680 in the rockets, right, So I just view it all 523 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.720 as a one big sex magic ritual with a giant, 524 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.799 giant dick statue they're just launching off into the ocean. 525 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:43.599 But yeah, I think I do think it is a 526 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.960 very old kind of culty religion. When I say CULTI 527 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.480 religion this you know, these these concepts of go back 528 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.119 to ancon Egypt, I think with the same same concepts. 529 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:54.839 Well yeah, and even that same circle of guys you 530 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:58.640 were talking about, you know, uh an Alistair Crowley. They 531 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:03.279 were obsessed with the ancient Egyptian you know, a culture, 532 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.759 you know, the whole what was it that religion that 533 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:07.799 he established? 534 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:12.359 It was all about raw Oh wasn't it. 535 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:16.759 That the Egyptian god Ra the alst Crowley was so 536 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:17.359 upsetsed with? 537 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.200 But I mean, this is my opinion, Horace, Rah and 538 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.640 Taurus is all the same. Motherfucker's just a different time 539 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.480 in the story. 540 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:31.079 It's the hero at different times in his It's dirty. 541 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.640 That's just my opinion, that's but yeah, it was. I 542 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.119 don't know, you mean I know this. I actually was 543 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:38.640 in the OTO for about six years. 544 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:40.720 Well yeah I didn't know that. 545 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was Horace. 546 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.119 That's that's that's where you're pledging your allegiance. 547 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.359 To mm hmm. 548 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.400 Well that's even like the Masons. 549 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.559 You know, I did some studying on them and uh 550 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.599 actually uh read the I'm having a brain part now, 551 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.079 but that big book from the thirties, uh, the Father 552 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:04.640 of the Masons. 553 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:09.680 Oh, the Secret Destiny of America. 554 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:15.279 Morals and yes, I'm trying to think of all right. 555 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.759 But they were talking about you know, the Scottish right 556 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.000 and how you know, once you get into there and 557 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.960 you realize, you know, the god you're worshiping, you know, 558 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.240 is Lucifer the light Bearer, you know, and all the 559 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:31.319 symbolism all going back to ancient Egypt. And even I 560 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:32.279 read a book it. 561 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.079 Was what is it back here? 562 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:39.240 Fires in the Minds of Men and that was a 563 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.480 good one. But it was talking about how the Revolutionary 564 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.839 you know, the founding fathers you know, took the fires 565 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.640 from the Revolutionary War, but they just they moved it. 566 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.599 It went it was the fires from from bail and 567 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.079 Egypt moving into the New world. And they carried that 568 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:01.319 flame from that altar into the New world. And when 569 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:05.519 you look at all the symbolism in the Capitol, all 570 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.440 the pentagrams like you talked about. You have that big 571 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.799 penis right in the middle of the. 572 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:11.279 Washington d C. 573 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.480 And you have the vaginal way going straight down to 574 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.359 the Capitol, and the Capitol is the big dome. It's 575 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.519 the womb of Isis, you know. And then certain times 576 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.400 a day that shadow goes down through there and enters 577 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.240 and penetrates the womb, impregnating the womb of Isis. You 578 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.079 have the same thing in the Vatican. I mean, it's everywhere. 579 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.839 Now, It really is. It really is. 580 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.680 And you're talking about the layout of Washington d C. 581 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.680 You're talking the Society of Cincinnati. They're the secret society 582 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.880 that started America. They're also French. They're the ones behind 583 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.880 the French Revolution. So Pierre la and Font was a Frenchman. 584 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.200 He was over here helping design DC along with Washington 585 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.960 and a couple others. But you know, and there's certainly 586 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.240 a lot of mysterious occult stuff and architecture builds into 587 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:55.480 t DC. 588 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.119 There's zero question about that. 589 00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:59.200 But the one thing I like to say about George 590 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.000 Washington's giant Dick statue is he didn't leave it. He 591 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.279 didn't leave a note in as well, saying one hundred 592 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:05.799 years you know, one hundred and twenty years from now, 593 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.559 building a giant Dick statue in the middle of the Milwa. 594 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.200 City, you know what I mean. 595 00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:13.559 So yeah, it makes me question why do they do 596 00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:14.039 these things? 597 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.119 Right? Like, what is this? What is the force behind 598 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:17.880 these things? Right? 599 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:18.880 Well? 600 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.880 Yeah, I mean it's the spirits or the you know, 601 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.160 of the age and the pulling the strings of the puppeteers, 602 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.720 you know what I mean. And yeah, I know not 603 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:34.559 everybody's a Christian, but you know, like from a Christian viewpoint, uh, 604 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:38.680 And a lot of people don't realize. But it's there's 605 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.720 many gods, you know. I know that some Christians that 606 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.640 makes them, you know, recoil. But I mean, I'm sorry 607 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.480 man that you need to read the book that you 608 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.519 claim that is your book, because it says in there, 609 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.680 you know, it says you will have no other gods 610 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.400 before me. I am a jealous god, you know, and 611 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.680 talking about not sacrificing to these other gods. I mean, 612 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.000 it's repeatedly, repeatedly, over and over and over. And when 613 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.680 you get into like Deuteronomy thirty two, for instance, that's 614 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:09.519 a retelling of the Tower of Bibles. 615 00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:10.519 Because everybody gets. 616 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.519 Hung up on the tongues being divided, But when you 617 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.359 get in there, it says, not only was the tongues divided, 618 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:20.480 it says the peoples the nations were divided amongst the 619 00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.599 sons of God. And in Hebrew that's the beneha Elohem. 620 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.279 And every time that word is used, it's talking about 621 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:32.720 divine beings. So when you get into Psalms eighty two, 622 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.480 that's who, that's who they are talking about. It says, 623 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.880 how long will you rule unjustly and show partiality to 624 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.279 the wicked you desire to live the eternal life, you 625 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.200 shall die and fall like any prince. It's talking to 626 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.960 these rebellious sons of God that was ruling over the 627 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:57.000 nations and accepted worship as God's and rebelled, And that's 628 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.240 why you have so much wickedness in the world today 629 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.640 and whispering in the ears of the world leaders and 630 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.079 accepted worship, and that's why you have, you know, all 631 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.079 this stuff, And when you go into Genesis when it 632 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.119 lists in that out right there in Deuteronomy also it 633 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:17.039 lists seventy and the septuagen lists seventy two nations. And 634 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.480 when you go to Washington, when you look at that 635 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.200 rotundra that you know, the what are they called the 636 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.480 Popheosis of Washington. 637 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.720 Yeah, Washington. 638 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.759 He's sitting there and there's all these Greek gods with 639 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.440 him and he's ascending to godhood. Well there's a bunch 640 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.000 of stars around that too. A lot of people don't 641 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.000 take the time to count that. There's seventy two stars 642 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.599 there representing the seventy two sons of God, the Bena. 643 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.559 High Elohem that God divided up. 644 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.160 The land in the nations. So, I mean all that 645 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.519 stuff is kind of hidden in there, right in plain slide. 646 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.880 Now, they got some deep depicult especially Washington. He was 647 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.599 he was definitely a cultist. There's no question of these things. 648 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:04.920 Yeah. 649 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.240 That was applies to what do you call it astronomy too, 650 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.839 because you have what they call it the procession of 651 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.799 the equinoxes, because when you look at that, it takes 652 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.880 exactly seventy two years to move even one degree. So, 653 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.839 I mean, there's so many layers to all these subjects 654 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.319 that we were talking about tonight and that we're fascinated with. 655 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.759 It's just you have to peel them back. I mean 656 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:31.759 there's so many people that say, oh, no, it's this, 657 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.119 or no it's it's that. No, man, it's this and that. 658 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:35.440 Man. 659 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.920 I mean, all this stuff is multi layered. 660 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:39.200 Yeah. 661 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.799 You know, something I want to ask, just maybe both 662 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:46.319 of your's opinion, I guess, is with when you're talking 663 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.400 about gods, do you ever like sometimes I do wonder, 664 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.839 like I will use nowadays as a perfect example, and 665 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:58.920 in my opinion, people are very maybe nervous, scared or 666 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:03.039 freed or uncertain of the future, and I really do 667 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:07.359 think they're starting to worship politicians as an answer. Now, 668 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.360 that's something that's such a god that is a human 669 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.639 created themselves and not really a god, the only one 670 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.480 because we believe that they are. You know, do you 671 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.280 ever wonder if something like that where it's not even 672 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.639 like some other just entit with the name, where it's 673 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:26.320 they're actually just falling in love with things before God. 674 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:29.000 You know, I think so. 675 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.400 No, I totally agree with you, and that you actually 676 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.480 kind of read in my mind that's what I was 677 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.039 saying here with that's what I was going to say here. 678 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:39.079 So there is a there's an element of America. You know, 679 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.960 folks who run in America that revere George Washington as 680 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.599 a cult leader, which is why in eighteen sixty five 681 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.360 you see them sanctioning things like this. Again, George didn't 682 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.159 leave that in as well, saying make me a god 683 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.480 in the in the halls of Congress. So I think 684 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.639 it's but I think it's an old you know, an 685 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.559 old Uh, it's an old Roman. You know, God had 686 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:01.599 you know, the state, the state head is your god. 687 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.119 You know, the Caesar is the God. 688 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:08.599 It's a known concepts just sometimes even older you know 689 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:10.280 what I mean, even older? 690 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's one of those things, 691 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.119 you know. I mean you have people that just get 692 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.559 so puffed up in their pride, and like you said, 693 00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.440 they think themselves as a god, and or they have 694 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.199 people around them puffing them up, and they actually believe 695 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:32.000 the lie eventually. And even with Donald Trump today, you know, uh, 696 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.440 I voted for the man for the policy, but the 697 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:39.840 first time. Yeah, But do I like the man personally? No, 698 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.679 I mean I think he's pompous, you know, he lies 699 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.960 you know, uh stretches the truth, and that's being nice 700 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:46.440 about it. 701 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:48.840 Uh you know, but it's like. 702 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.639 The first go around, I was financially in a better 703 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.480 position that I'd ever been in my life. Uh. Far 704 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.199 as like a Christian the policy wise, you know, he 705 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.400 was pro Christian policy. Whether he was you know, you know, 706 00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.360 acting christianly or not, I mean that that's beside the point. So, 707 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.760 but there's certain people Christians and non Christians that paint 708 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.000 him as a messiah. You know, he's the Savior, you know, 709 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.400 and stuff like that, he can never do no wrong 710 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.960 and things like that. I'm not in that camp. I 711 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.719 don't put no man to that kind of status. 712 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.159 That's a good point. So let's get down to brass 713 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.519 text on that subject. Then, justin when is Donald Trump 714 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:34.320 going to unleash the power of the ark of the 715 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.360 Covenant that I saw at the end of Indiana Jones. 716 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.199 He's not going to because he'll kill the Nazis and 717 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:43.880 friends with them. 718 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:51.679 Come man, the uh this is in his lake is 719 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:53.639 mar al Ago? Did you all familiar with this one? 720 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.360 Not James o'keef. It's the first picture that came up 721 00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.920 when I good with it. But the uh, the Ark 722 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.800 of the Covenant a gold replica, well, a gold replica. 723 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.199 I'd argue, maybe Donald Trump's got the real one. He's 724 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:05.960 just kinda sitting out in plain sight. 725 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:07.800 Mm hmm. 726 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.360 That's not biblically accurate. 727 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:18.000 Okay, the the Governance is wrong. Okay, so Indiana Jones 728 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:18.400 is wrong. 729 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.440 Yes, I think I got a picture of it. 730 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.840 So maybe that's maybe the one from the set he's 731 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:28.199 got there. 732 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.679 Then I had a guy on my show, uh Leon 733 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:34.280 Southgate guy focks with Oregon, and he swears he thinks 734 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.000 that the Ark of the Covenant was actually kind of 735 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:40.000 like an orging chordia because like you can even create 736 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.280 kind of the cloud that will show up that they say, 737 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:43.280 like I think in the Bible. 738 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.800 Oh interesting, Okay, let me pull it up here on Bigger, 739 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:48.440 Bigger Shot. 740 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:50.400 I've never heard of this. 741 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.800 You'll have to tell us about this justin I'm interested 742 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.159 for sure. 743 00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.679 The guys the Mercy Seat of the Mercy my bad. 744 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:01.440 Yeah. 745 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.320 When you go and you look at the descriptions of 746 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:06.239 the Ark of the Covenant, you know it says the 747 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.880 wings of the Cherubim come out, and that that God. 748 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:10.480 Sits out there. 749 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:10.800 Yeah. 750 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.880 Perfect, it's a throne it's where God, you know, sits 751 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.519 and the wings are the backrest. 752 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.159 Y'all. Look at that trial. That's fucking sickest ship right there. 753 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.079 I think that's more of a biblically accurate. 754 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.199 More sense. 755 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.639 Now I'm starting to wonder, like on tarot cars, those 756 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:34.360 dudes after like they get off the chariot, they're sitting 757 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:34.880 in something. 758 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.400 I wonder if it's like more of like represented of 759 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:38.480 representing that. 760 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.400 And even the the Ezekiel visions where it talks about, 761 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.599 you know, the chariot of God and the cherubim that 762 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:53.159 are surrounding them, and you have the description of the 763 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.400 four living creatures. You know, it says that it had 764 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:02.719 the eyes round about and Hebrew word for eyes the 765 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.800 eye ens. It can also be used to describe stars 766 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.960 shining and limmering. So and when you look at the 767 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:15.679 four living creatures, what are those? Those are the four 768 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:21.039 cardinal points to the Babylonian zodiac, So that I think 769 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.199 this is an astronomical type thing. And then when you 770 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.360 go to Revelation where it talks about the throne of God, 771 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.199 it says, you know, you had the throne in the center, 772 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.840 and you had the four living creatures and then the 773 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.639 twenty four elders around, so I think, like a thirty 774 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.280 thousand foot view looking down. What is that trying to say. 775 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.280 It's saying that God and it says that the Earth 776 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.880 was his footstool, so you have the throne his feet 777 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.960 on earth. So it's showing that that God is at 778 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.079 the center of all time and space and matter and 779 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.920 in control because his throne is in the center of earth. 780 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.440 The twenty four elders represent the twenty four hours in 781 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.239 a day, because even Jesus said in the New Testament 782 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.559 is they're not twelve hours in a day. So that 783 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.599 showed you they knew there was twenty four hours in 784 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.320 a day. And then you had the four living creatures, 785 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.280 which was the four cardinal points of the Babylonian zodiac, 786 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:17.559 and that. 787 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.280 That's that's space. 788 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.159 So there's God's thrown in the center of all time, 789 00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:21.920 space and matter. 790 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.280 Oh that's I've not these are all brand new concepts 791 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.679 to you. I like it, not as much as I 792 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.599 like the nuclear device that the I thought the Ark 793 00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:35.800 of the Covenant might be, or some sort of devastating 794 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.320 weapon of mass destruction I'm sorry, and weapon of mass destruction, 795 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.199 but I like I like this too, there. 796 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.320 Would It makes you wonder because like in old depictions, 797 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.440 you see a lot of gods will be sitting on chairs, 798 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:46.880 but it's on the. 799 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.840 Side throne, on the side. 800 00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.039 It's ever like that. It's ever from that angle. It's 801 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:56.000 always just on the side of looks can chair. He is, 802 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.719 I love that triangle. It's interesting. 803 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.599 You brought up the eyes too. In the stars, you said, 804 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.280 Eisen stars. That's some well. 805 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.159 I mean I always get into like when when I fuck, 806 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.199 you know, I fucked with magic, I always say that 807 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.960 it starts off at the star, you know, and there 808 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:13.880 is like whole thing with every man and every woman 809 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.639 is a star. I mean, Craley says that, but uh, 810 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:18.719 you know, before it turns into one eclips, this looks 811 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:19.239 like a star. 812 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:20.840 So that is interesting. 813 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.360 And in the Bible all the angelic hosts are often 814 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.920 referred to as stars. Like in the Book of Job 815 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.599 when Job starts questioning God, you know, God finally gets 816 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:31.920 fed up. 817 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:32.800 Was he say? You know? 818 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.400 He says, where were you when I hung the stars 819 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.840 and did this and did that and then laid the foundations? 820 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:40.320 Where were you when I did do this? 821 00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:41.840 Did that? He said? 822 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:47.920 The morning stars, the sons of God saying for joy 823 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.480 at the side of creation. So it's comparing the sons 824 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.559 of God the angelic hoast to stars. And even in 825 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.719 Ezekiel's vision, everybody talks about the wheels within wheels that 826 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.599 they think is a u f O. It says in 827 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:06.800 there too that the eyes were round about, stars were 828 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.000 round about, and it's wheels within wheels. 829 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:09.280 You know. 830 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.920 You take a time relaxed camera and look at the 831 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:16.719 fixed north pole. That's exactly what you have. Wheels within wheels. 832 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.719 It's like the offer them too, doesn't it kind of 833 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.159 describe like that. It's like we had to offer him 834 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:26.360 the angels, the offering him. 835 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:27.519 Hm. 836 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.920 They're like wheels, like wheels, and they all have eyes 837 00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:31.760 on the on the wheels too, rapping around it as 838 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:32.159 they spin. 839 00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:39.159 Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Ship dune yeah, orbs. 840 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.599 I just think the the the the eye suggesting you 841 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.239 were talking about their neck and the stars. I think 842 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.119 that's a good, good jumping off point to get into 843 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.159 some of the the mound stuff. 844 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.199 Adjusted justin, Uh, it's deeply interesting. 845 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.360 Because I'm I'm a big mound guy myself, or justin 846 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.039 I've been studying the mounds for uh, well, my Mormons. 847 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.199 So technically it's you know, kind of been embedded in 848 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.000 my life most of the time. But I've been actively 849 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.880 kind of after these mounds for about twenty some years. 850 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:11.800 Now, close to it. But yeah, the er get into the. 851 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:16.599 Religious kind of theology, you know, philosophies, but I'm familiar 852 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:17.800 with it. And the one of your you were talking 853 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.199 about before the show with the eyes and the and 854 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.559 the stars, and again I forgiven for not remembering the name, 855 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.119 because again I'm not good with those aspects of the mounds, 856 00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.280 not my approach to him, and not my interest necessarily, 857 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.280 but I do find it fascinating. So because there obviously 858 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.800 was a religious and ritual aspect of these mounds, right. 859 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.880 Uh yeah, because we were talking to pre roll. 860 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:38.400 Uh. 861 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.280 I had doctor Greg Little on the show, and we 862 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:45.239 were talking about his book, uh, The Pathway of Souls, 863 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.079 and he's a big mound expert. You know, he's been 864 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.880 to probably every mound in North America or at least 865 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:56.239 the documented ones at least, and uh so he's well 866 00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.159 versed on it and he's uh interviewed and talked to 867 00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.239 a lot of Native American elders and things like that. 868 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.960 In his book, he talks about how the Native American 869 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.719 rituals that they would do with these mounds, you know, 870 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.639 these mounds is where they would bury their dead. And 871 00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.880 it said that when they would die, they would either 872 00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.960 like in the wintertime, they would hold the bodies back, 873 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.039 you know, or bury them and regather the bones at 874 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:29.360 a certain time, and they would wait till the stars, 875 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.559 because the stars and constellations were a very important part 876 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.199 to the pathway of souls and making sure that the 877 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.960 spirits made their journey to heaven. And he said that 878 00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:46.159 they would wait until the constellation Scorpius would be below 879 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.960 the horizon, because when they would launch the soul off 880 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.519 into heaven, it was their belief that the scorpion would 881 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.280 take its tail and snatch the soul out of the 882 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.239 air and keep it from reaching heaven. But they would 883 00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.119 go to these mounds, in these hinges, in these earthwork 884 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.880 complexes and perform these rituals, and that they would have 885 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.440 a huge bonfire and they would take the bones or 886 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.639 the bodies if it was a fresh body, and they 887 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:24.239 would place whatever they had into the fire, and they 888 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:28.239 would dance and sing, perform their rituals and send the 889 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.840 spirit off into the air and He said that they 890 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:37.599 would do this when the constellation of Orion was directly 891 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.039 on the horizon line. And they said, the ancient thought 892 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.480 was that this was a hand. So the three stars, 893 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.760 let me get right, here was the wrist, and that 894 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.719 it was a hand, and in the center of the 895 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:56.519 hand was an eye. So you see all this symbology 896 00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.599 of the eye and the hand. This was a Native 897 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:03.800 American thing, and that they called this the ogie, and 898 00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:07.039 it was a portal for the soul, and they would 899 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.960 send the soul off and the soul would go through 900 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.360 this ogie. And the belief wasn't this shows you they 901 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.480 knew the stars, that it would drop below the horizon 902 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:22.000 and come back on the other side, and that it 903 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.599 would release the soul and they would release it into 904 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.920 the milky Way, and that the constellation Sickness, which was 905 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:33.320 a bird, would grab it and fly it to the 906 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:37.559 other side and into heaven. So there was this whole 907 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:43.960 Native American belief of spirituality and ritual and the mounds 908 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.039 and even the constellations were all involved. It was really 909 00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:51.960 cool to hear the thought processes and the beliefs of 910 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.599 the Native Americans, and with the astrology and astronomy all 911 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:56.519 wrapped into it. 912 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.559 Yeah, that's pretty fascinating. How do you how do you 913 00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:03.400 spell that a kogi or OGGI? 914 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.199 Yeah, ogee, I think it's O G G I E 915 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:08.360 I believe. 916 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.480 Or O G I E it's something soon. 917 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:16.000 Than Yeah, I was just gonna bring up I was 918 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:17.400 just gonna bring up a picture of it because it 919 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.719 did something I've just like I said, I I don't 920 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:21.519 know if I've been as many mounds as Old Doctor 921 00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:25.880 Little there, but I've been, if not a thousand plus, 922 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.360 you know, damn near Yeah, And I've seen a lot 923 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.639 of these museums and sites have a lot of artifacts. 924 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:33.840 A lot of times the artifacts that were you know, 925 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.000 produced from some of these mounds and archaeological and anthropological 926 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.480 studies there in ears past or you know, usually in 927 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.280 like a little shop or museum of these sites. In fact, 928 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.480 you can go to Walmart in northern Georgia not far 929 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.360 from you, and can go visit a mound museum inside 930 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.599 the Walmart that was the that was the result of 931 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.679 a that was a disposition from a lawsuit because Walmart 932 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.840 wanted to build on that mound and then and the 933 00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:57.639 natives were like. 934 00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:58.239 You better not. 935 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.719 And then the federal court was like, guys can do it, 936 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.480 but they can to negotiated settlement. We'll put a mound 937 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:06.960 museum inside the walmart. But there is that's that symbol 938 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:11.760 is literally everywhere that you're describing. It's across the cultures 939 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.239 and time within these mounds because there's various, you know, groups, 940 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:17.840 I don't I don't know if you were, I want 941 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:19.280 to get into that discussion of the Hope Wells and 942 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.639 the Adenas and the kind of the the the idea 943 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:23.480 that we even know anything about these people just because 944 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:25.840 we assign a name to them, right, and the names 945 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.559 we've assigned to them are not names they gave themselves. 946 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.519 But the if you type in a rattlesnake disc, that's 947 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.840 a really good one to show that the viewers and 948 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:39.199 listeners that's when they found down in Alabama. And it's 949 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.599 a disc and right in the center of it is 950 00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:45.719 the huge ogie and it actually has the Ora borealis 951 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.639 snake biting its own tail around it. It's it's a 952 00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:49.440 calendar disc. 953 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.840 Right, So what do you think, how do you think 954 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.880 this spawns so many cultures in time? 955 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:55.039 Then? 956 00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:58.119 Right, like, because again we're talking to Adena, Hopewell, Mississippi 957 00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:04.159 cultures right, We're talking thousands of years through these you know, allegedly, 958 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:05.920 right through these mounds being constructed. 959 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.639 Yeah. 960 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.880 Yeah, I think this is just a It's one of 961 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:14.880 those things that's when you see it traveling through so 962 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.440 many cultures and throughout time. I mean, there there has 963 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:20.559 to be something to it. It's a it's an oral 964 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:23.960 tradition just passed through throughout the ages. 965 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.480 Man, where's it that today? Though? You think? Then? You 966 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:27.920 know what I mean? 967 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.360 Do you think this this tradition still exists because I 968 00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:34.400 often wonder that. 969 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.280 There might be a small remnant of people, you know, 970 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.960 still practicing it. But you know, it's one of those things. 971 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.239 It's like the rise and fall of certain civilizations and 972 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:53.239 customs and people groups. Uh uh, I'm trying to think 973 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.719 of Hunter McConnell. I had him on the show and 974 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.440 we actually did an entire episode on this disc. There's 975 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:07.000 so much stuff involved in this little disc and I 976 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.199 can't remember all of it right now, but he talked 977 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:17.079 about that ogie and it's an astronomical calendar and he 978 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:22.239 took a map of the stars and super imposed it 979 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.119 and it lines up perfect with Orion pointing toward like 980 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:32.000 the North star with the middle finger tip, just all 981 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:38.079 the different things, even the notches on the side a 982 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.079 line to certain things. 983 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:42.440 It's pretty amazing. 984 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:48.159 And that horned serpent has something to do with the 985 00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:52.559 South America and the corn gods, because even the rattlers, 986 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.519 if you look at the rattlers, the rattlers are. 987 00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:58.639 Corn seeds. 988 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.719 Because he said, he starts showing all these different depictions 989 00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.360 of South America, and that's what those are. 990 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.679 Those are corn kernels. 991 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:11.519 That was a show. 992 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:18.039 I think that's well, you're you're pointing out some really 993 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:19.239 great things. I want to I want to ask you 994 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.039 about too, with the Serpent Mound. And again it's one 995 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.239 of the things or some of the things that I've 996 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.519 always found most fascinating about these mounds, is you need 997 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.880 to tell me someone twenty in this event of Serpent 998 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.760 Mound here, You mean to tell me somebody roughly three 999 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.920 thousand years ago, twenty five hundred years ago, new you know, 1000 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.119 could build this mound and it still lasts today. But 1001 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.519 it also worked as a calendar, read to the night sky. 1002 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.440 It read the seasons, that read the equinoxes, the solstices. 1003 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.960 All of these bends and curves and everything in here 1004 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:53.440 is encoded with the ability to read the sky, and 1005 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:56.119 basically a calendar for the known universe, you know, the 1006 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:57.000 visible universe. 1007 00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:03.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the I had Jeff Wilkinson on the show, 1008 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:03.920 or Wilson. 1009 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:04.280 Sorry. 1010 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.719 Uh, even the bends are lunar calendars, yep. I mean 1011 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.559 it maps everything, the sun, the mirth, uh yeah, the 1012 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:18.320 the open mouth uh points straight towards the uh, the 1013 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:19.320 summer solstice. 1014 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.400 I mean it's just crazy at all the things. 1015 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.360 And yeah, like you said, we're to believe that, you know, 1016 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:29.440 these ancient people done this and you can't even appreciate 1017 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:33.719 this thing unless you're in the air, right. I think 1018 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.519 this is you know, call me a conspiracy theorist, but 1019 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:37.960 this this was. 1020 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.360 Something given to them. 1021 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:40.480 Uh. 1022 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:42.760 Same thing when you go down to South America, when 1023 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:49.760 you look at the ayahuasca. Ayahuasca, uh is a blend 1024 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:56.800 of several different plants that that there's no way that 1025 00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:02.000 they stumbled across this. There's millions of different fauna down 1026 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.880 there that they could mix together and come up with 1027 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:09.239 this concoction. So if you just took the DMT by itself, 1028 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:13.079 your acids in your stomach would kill it, so you 1029 00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:16.880 wouldn't get the hallucinogenic effect from it. There's only one 1030 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:23.199 specific plant that bonds with that DMT and fights off 1031 00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:26.960 the acids in your stomach to allow the absorption of 1032 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.840 that DMT. So then you get the perfect match of 1033 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:36.840 these two plants. Then you have the whole processing of it. 1034 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.719 You know, they have to meet it out, they have 1035 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:41.880 to boil it at the right temperature and pull it 1036 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.480 out and prepare it. I mean, this is too perfect 1037 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:50.639 to be you know, made by mistake or by random. 1038 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.880 And then the people tell them, tell everybody that you know. 1039 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.199 The sky people. 1040 00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:00.320 You know told them this gave it to them. So 1041 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.239 take take the people's word for it, man. And like, uh, 1042 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:08.199 you know, Darby in his book The Cosmic Serpent, he 1043 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.840 lived with these people for you know, like. 1044 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:12.800 A decade or more. 1045 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.599 Took this ayahuasca, you know, on a I wouldn't say 1046 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.400 daily basis, but he took it often, so much so 1047 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.719 that he documented everything and wrote a book, The Cosmic Serpent, 1048 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.920 and talked about every time he took it. He saw 1049 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.280 this cosmic serpent. And that's what all of them say 1050 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.920 that they have encounters with and that's the one that 1051 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:37.159 gave them this concoction. And without fail, all these people 1052 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.920 talk about this encounter with this cosmic serpent, and then 1053 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:42.960 you have this serpent up here in North America. 1054 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:47.000 Throughout the world, you have this serpent imagery everywhere. 1055 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:49.960 And like I said you, I mean, we all have 1056 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.800 our preconceived notions and our filters that we filter things 1057 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:56.360 through and and mine I. 1058 00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:57.440 Have a biblical of you. 1059 00:54:58.480 --> 00:54:58.599 Uh. 1060 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:02.199 The book of the Book of Enoch tells us that 1061 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.400 the fallen angels came down, bred with the doughters of men, 1062 00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:12.199 were worshiped as gods, and they gave humanity forbidden knowledge. 1063 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.199 And it's a common theme throughout the world. The Native 1064 00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.880 Americans say the star people came down, gave them knowledge, 1065 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:23.840 stole their women, and perverted the land. The Greeks have Prometheus. 1066 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.760 He rebelled against Zeus, and the gods stole the. 1067 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:29.239 Fire gave it to humanity. 1068 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.800 Uh. You have the Naugas with the Hindus. I mean, 1069 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:36.519 I could go on all day long with the same story, 1070 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:40.400 just different caveats and names to it. And they said 1071 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.039 that amongst the things that they gave them was the 1072 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.039 reading of the heavens and astronomical signs, mathematics, the cutting 1073 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:55.679 of roots in Pharmakaa. I mean it's just to me, 1074 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.559 this was the the knowledge that the fallen angels had 1075 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.559 and gave to their offspring, and their offspring passed it 1076 00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:13.320 on into humanity. And that's why you have all these 1077 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:20.719 ancient enigmas. 1078 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.199 In the offspring or suppose is this supposed to be 1079 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:20.440 the ne fhi one is that they're supposed to be 1080 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:21.079 the offspring of. 1081 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.199 The Yes, the giants, and that's why in North America 1082 00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.599 you have all the stories of the Red Giants, the 1083 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:31.920 the ct Ka, and all the you know, the natives 1084 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.280 talk about that they warred against these people. 1085 00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.039 Buried at the bottom of these ancient mounds, right the 1086 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:39.440 Adena mounds, the oldest ones. 1087 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:41.960 So what do you think of this one? Justin is 1088 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.800 this a snake? You think? In your opinion is this 1089 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:44.440 a serpent? 1090 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:46.239 Yeah? 1091 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:48.639 I mean I think it's the cosmic serpent. 1092 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:51.000 Not the warm God, but the cosmic serpent. 1093 00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.400 Right, there's there seems to be the delineation there from 1094 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.199 your from the way you're describing it. 1095 00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:57.119 Yeah, I believe so. 1096 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:02.159 And after going that this last summer and filming and 1097 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:06.920 talking to some locals and some experts there the native belief, 1098 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.880 because a lot of people want to say that this 1099 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.199 snake is eating an egg, which right now that it 1100 00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.519 does it looks like an egg. But when you're there, 1101 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.280 there's a small triangular mound at the head of that 1102 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.039 thing that you can't really see in this picture, but 1103 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:29.320 it's there there. And then on the sides you find 1104 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:33.800 some other little mounds that they put the walkways over. 1105 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.440 You can see them with some light ar and some 1106 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:42.920 ground penetrating radar. And I talked to a guy named Tom, 1107 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.840 and he's got connections with the local natives and stuff, 1108 00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.199 and he laid out a pretty good theory. Mean, it 1109 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:57.159 makes sense. He thinks that that egg was originally a turtle, 1110 00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.880 and that snake is eating a turtle. And the legs 1111 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.440 came out next to the mouth coming back, and then 1112 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.480 another set going forward, and that triangular little mound at 1113 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:16.719 the front was the head, and the turtle was Turtle Island. 1114 00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:26.039 And it's an allegory of the passing of a new age, 1115 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.400 like and like it was the kind of like the 1116 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:33.320 Young Adriass event maybe. But you have the serpent god 1117 00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:38.000 of the lower world of South America, you know, Verrakoca 1118 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:45.360 Quasi kettle coming up and devouring Turtle Island, which was 1119 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:46.199 North America. 1120 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:48.840 Interesting. 1121 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.400 Yeah, there are examples of turtle effigy mounds as well, 1122 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.800 so there was some some sort of turtle references going 1123 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.239 on with these mounds. 1124 00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.639 And I've never heard that. I've never heard that theory. 1125 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:04.119 That's interesting, Yeah, they told me. Yeah, I mean it's 1126 00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:05.199 such a mysterious place. 1127 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.239 And yeah, I have been destroyed in the past there, 1128 00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.159 but seemingly in large part it's been keptain tax which 1129 00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.679 is good to see that because I think this is 1130 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:16.400 one question I put it kind of put a pen 1131 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.079 into my mind earlier there. When we're talking about you 1132 00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:22.360 mentioned procession of the equinoxes. I've always wondered how that 1133 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.880 goes down? Right, First of all, who's there to track 1134 00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:26.840 this whole procession? 1135 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.159 Right? Is somebody keeping a record of this somewhere? 1136 00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:32.280 Maybe I don't know, But nonetheless, like, how does the 1137 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.000 how do you think the astronomy that was relevant at 1138 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.480 this time, you know, when they built a mound twenty 1139 00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.800 five hundred and three thousand years ago, Why do you 1140 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.400 think that still lines up today? 1141 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.800 Which it does, but it's off a few degrees. So 1142 00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:54.280 they theorize got that that's why it's not perfectly lined up. 1143 00:59:54.320 --> 01:00:00.519 And some believe that This was constructed when Draco, which 1144 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:03.920 is a serpent, you know, was the Northern Star. But 1145 01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:05.519 I was gonna show you some goodies because as we 1146 01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:09.599 were talking, I kind of forgot this may or may 1147 01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:15.960 not be a piece of the standing stone that was 1148 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.519 at the head of Serpent Mound that was pushed off 1149 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:19.000 the cliff. 1150 01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:23.840 That's nice, may or may not. 1151 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:28.440 Well, that's the other thing is it's built on you 1152 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.639 mentioned cliff. It's built on the ridgeline from a from 1153 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:35.719 a a or a asteroid that allegedly hit their sixty 1154 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.920 twenty five million years ago, I think, or something something 1155 01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:38.280 like that. 1156 01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:41.639 Oh, who's tracking that though? He's keeping who's keeping count? 1157 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:43.000 Right? 1158 01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.760 Which Tom that guy spoke with spoke with he's like 1159 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.800 a geologist and one of the things he does is 1160 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:55.960 gives tours of this crater and he's dug up fossils 1161 01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.480 and troll of bites and things like that, and so 1162 01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:02.599 he's still you know, some of these people do some 1163 01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:05.960 of the dating and stuff of that. And one of 1164 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:08.079 the interviews I'd done with him, he was talking about 1165 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.679 even some of it, like the supernatural occurrences and stuff 1166 01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.480 that happened there, and he thinks it all has to 1167 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:18.360 do with this crater, And he said, whoever built you know, 1168 01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:24.159 this effigy mound, He said, I believe it's like they felt. 1169 01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:27.360 He said, I think they felt the energy or how 1170 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:35.679 special this place was because of this impact crater. But 1171 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.599 I was going to show you guys some other stuff 1172 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.480 that I'd found or got while I was there, Like 1173 01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:42.880 one thing, like we was talking about supernatural stuff. 1174 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.000 Right here, it. 1175 01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:50.360 Says a serpent Mound soybean formation. This was first discovered 1176 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:54.119 in August of twenty fourth, two thousand and three. It 1177 01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:56.559 was two hundred and seventy one feet from the top 1178 01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:59.400 of a large ring to the bottom of the small 1179 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:04.320 ringscle all oriented east to west. The diameter of the 1180 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:10.079 eye in the Kiska piscus was seventy four feet. And 1181 01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:12.480 this was an aerial photograph in two thousand and three 1182 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.719 by Jeff Wilson and Roger Sugden. So that guy I 1183 01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.079 talked about that I'd interviewed Jeff Wilson, He's the one 1184 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:24.400 that got this. And this was, you know, stones throw 1185 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:28.719 away from Serpent Mound in two thousand and three. So 1186 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.519 you got all kinds of crazy phenomenon going on around 1187 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:37.519 this site. And here is all the different astronomical alignments 1188 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:38.960 in that turtle that I talked about. 1189 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:41.840 Yeah, there you go. Okay, they got the turtle on 1190 01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:42.679 there too. Nice. 1191 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:44.079 Yeah. 1192 01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:46.039 And a lot of people don't realize because it's not 1193 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:51.800 talked about. But when they first dug in that large 1194 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:58.079 mound at Serpent Mound, here's what they found. This guy 1195 01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:03.079 was seven feet at the knees and they found him. 1196 01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:06.119 He was cut off at the knees and his hands 1197 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:10.760 were cut off. Also, why was that did he have 1198 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:12.280 six fingers and six toes? 1199 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.760 Maybe here's a thief. 1200 01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:19.119 That that wasn't the only giant. 1201 01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.039 I believe it was found there because they have when 1202 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.679 he pull into the parking lot there in the corner 1203 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.239 of it, near the near the building, there's two Adena 1204 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:29.119 mountains that sit there. They excavated one of those mounds 1205 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.920 years ago, and I believe they had a seven foot 1206 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:33.559 two and a seven and a half foot are in there. 1207 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:34.880 Believe there's two giants there. 1208 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.840 Yeah, and that that one of those was at that 1209 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:42.039 parking lot mount But he was seven foot at the knees. 1210 01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:44.760 Is the parking lot mount the lower half of his legs? 1211 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:45.679 Do you think that is? 1212 01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.039 We're talking, We're talking the same giant thing. 1213 01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:49.800 Okay, because if you go in the building there and 1214 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.039 start asking questions about that, they're gonna be like, we 1215 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:53.000 don't know anyhing about that. 1216 01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.760 Yep, that's fucking tall. 1217 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:00.599 Are you? Are you familiar with the Adena the highway? 1218 01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.159 It was the the It was a highway that ran 1219 01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.239 from some from Serpent Mounds to Delaware the Newark, the 1220 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:13.440 Newark Earthworks, just east of Columbus, and it was uh, 1221 01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:17.559 I think eighty five miles maybe, but it had, you know, 1222 01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.159 a pathway with mounds on both sides. I think it 1223 01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.760 was eight foot or nine foot you know, picture those 1224 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:26.079 kind of long burrow mounds on both sides for eighty 1225 01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.639 five miles eight or nine foot high. 1226 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.920 Wow. Nah, I hadn't heard about that. 1227 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:34.840 Yeah, And it led it led to the Newark Earthworks. 1228 01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.280 Are you familier with those? Those are very interesting? 1229 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:38.440 Yeah. 1230 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.800 I spoke with Fritz and he just discovered this past 1231 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:46.159 year at at Newark how they got that opening, that 1232 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:48.400 that doorway to that hens there. 1233 01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.159 That h what is it? 1234 01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:57.800 On May first on bell Tane That that Hens lines 1235 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:03.239 up perfectly with the sunrise of bell Tane and that's 1236 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:06.800 the holy day for the worship of bail of the Canaanites, 1237 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:15.519 and so Fritz Heath theorizes that these were the Nephlum 1238 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:21.800 giants from the Bible because it says that when the 1239 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.760 Egyptians were actually when the Jews left Egypt and went 1240 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:30.199 into the Holy Land to conquer the Holy Land, all 1241 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.840 of the tribes that were listed were Nepholum giant tribes. 1242 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:36.960 That's why they were devout to destruction. 1243 01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:39.639 It said, kill every man, woman and child, because they 1244 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:46.280 were Nephlum giant clans. And the ones that heard about 1245 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:50.079 the conquest, you know, the Phoenicians, they were known to 1246 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:54.119 be great sailors. He said that he theorizes that they 1247 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:58.639 got on boats and fled to the New World, and 1248 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:00.960 he said the water levels were higher back then that 1249 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.960 they probably went in to you know, around Boston or 1250 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.320 somewhere around there, and went straight into like the Great 1251 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.199 Lakes area. He said, that's where you see all these 1252 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.800 copper mines with all the missing copper. And he said, 1253 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:19.079 in that copper there, he said, is traceable. He said, 1254 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:21.880 it's like ninety eight point five percent pure. It's the 1255 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.599 purest copper in the world. He said, it's the only 1256 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.800 copper that tests that high. He said, So they're testing 1257 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:32.679 copper in Europe, South America, Asia, all over the world. 1258 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:38.000 That's testing, you know, at ninety eight point five percent pure. 1259 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:42.679 That's showing them that it come from these Michigan copper 1260 01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:48.119 mines and with all the lack of the copper that's missing. 1261 01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:53.559 And they have found depictions of Phoenician ships and petroglyphs 1262 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:59.599 there in Michigan. So they're saying that they're theorizing that 1263 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:03.760 these Niians were going over mining all this copper, distributing 1264 01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:06.159 it throughout the world and going back and forth. So 1265 01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:08.119 they already knew the route and they knew the land. 1266 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.719 So during this contest of Canaan, they just they come 1267 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:14.960 to the New World and settled and then they went 1268 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.280 out from there. And that's why you find all of 1269 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:20.679 these mounds and earthworks and stuff in the Ohio River Valley, 1270 01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.679 because they just went down from there, and that's, you 1271 01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.400 know why you see all this stuff. And even in 1272 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:31.800 New Hampshire, that America's Stonehenge, they found this big old 1273 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:38.599 stone slab with a Paleo Phoenician script on it, and 1274 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.280 they didn't know what it was, so they called Harvard 1275 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.880 and Barry Fell from Harvard went up there and translated 1276 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.679 it and sure enough, I mean it was like Paleo 1277 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:53.239 Phoenician script and it said basically, it said to Bail 1278 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:59.760 of the Canaanites, we the Phoenicians dedicate you know, this site. 1279 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:02.639 And then like I said, then you have new work 1280 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:07.119 or the hinge opening lines perfectly up with may first 1281 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:11.000 bell Tane. You have all these signs pointing to the 1282 01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:14.119 Nephelom giants from the land of Canaan who worshiped Bail 1283 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:16.279 or the ones you come to the New World and 1284 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.359 done all this stuff. Man, it's pretty fascinating. 1285 01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:20.079 Are you sure you're not Mormon? 1286 01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.159 Because you were talking about multiple gods earlier in all 1287 01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.640 these Canaan Nite mound stuff. Now you sound like the 1288 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:25.880 Mormon talking about that. 1289 01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:27.880 No, no, not Mormon. 1290 01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:33.199 These are these are some of the ideas of Mormonism 1291 01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:34.439 we were hitting on right there. 1292 01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:38.119 No, I don't believe in soul babies and having my 1293 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:45.000 own planet and I no, No, that's the live Satan 1294 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.000 in the garden. You shall be as gods. 1295 01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:50.920 It's interesting you were pointing out, you know, some of 1296 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.079 this evidence of the you know, the the ancient history 1297 01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:55.239 of American Barry Fell has written a number of books 1298 01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:57.960 on that, and he's definitely deciphered something, like you said, 1299 01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:01.279 some texts and stuff like that Ogaman whatnot, as well 1300 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:03.960 some ancient Celtic stuff. But I don't know he's ever 1301 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.000 really tried to touch this stuff. I've never seen anything, 1302 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:08.119 you know that he did on some of the some 1303 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:11.479 of the mound tablets, right, So this is a tablet 1304 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.159 from an Adina mound that was thirty thirty foot banger 1305 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.039 there on fifth and Mound Street, downtown Cincinnati. 1306 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:20.199 Maybe not Sory ninth in Mount Street. 1307 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:21.960 You know, they don't they don't come up with a 1308 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.079 lot of times these you'll go to a city, especially 1309 01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:26.319 about the Midwest. 1310 01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.359 He's anything anything in the New World of America. 1311 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:33.239 So you know, hot the Ohio's and Kentucky's Tennessees and 1312 01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.960 so on and so forth westbound. A lot of the 1313 01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.479 stuff where you're gonna find Mound locations are named after 1314 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:42.640 George Washington, our Key Day Lafayette, Thomas Jefferson, and a 1315 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.239 number of these other characters who were involved in the 1316 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.359 secret Society that started America. Because they love mounts, the 1317 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.640 Society of Cincinnati, which was their town there in Cincinnati. 1318 01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:53.760 So I think this town actually had a lot of 1319 01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:55.439 mounds are important, and that was one of the things 1320 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:58.720 they were they were concerned about settling there, and one 1321 01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.399 of you know, one of the very purposes for settling there. 1322 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.399 George Washington had surveyed a. 1323 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.359 Lot of these mounds, you know, even in the Cincinnati area, 1324 01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.079 as early as you know what in Cincinnati then, but 1325 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:11.439 as early as you know, he's sixteen years old. 1326 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.520 So I think a lot of this stuff is very important. 1327 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:16.199 But there's not been a lot of attention given, in 1328 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.159 my opinions, to deciphering a lot of this stuff. I've 1329 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:22.319 only seen one or two solid attempts. But it seems 1330 01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:25.039 like we were pointing out before with the with the 1331 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:29.119 disc from the what was it, the Rattlesnak disc. 1332 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.960 Yeah, you know, it's a star map. 1333 01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:34.439 So this seems to be a star map, but it 1334 01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.239 also seems to be a language, right, but it's treated 1335 01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:38.840 as art today. 1336 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:43.319 Yeah, it's wild. I mean, just had a glance. I mean, 1337 01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:46.760 I'm not an expert, but to me, it's kind of 1338 01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:50.920 got like a South America, like you know, Aztec kind 1339 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.319 of flavor to it, don't don't you think? 1340 01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:56.319 Yeah, I mean it does have some of those some 1341 01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:59.000 of those curves and similarities in the esthetic. I think 1342 01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:02.600 so a core means my best assessment of this of 1343 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:07.039 this year tablet, not art, but it's uh. There's a 1344 01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:09.079 fellow by the name of Noah Sage. I'm not sure 1345 01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.119 if this is a blog that he still runs, but 1346 01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:14.760 I'll look for it while i'm while I'm rambling the 1347 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.840 the ancient Hittites. Apparently this is ancient Hittite which is 1348 01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:21.800 kind of the modern day area of Turkey and Syria. 1349 01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.319 Mm hmm, dating back I think to five hundred BC. 1350 01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:33.199 Maybe you familiar with the hit sites. 1351 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.199 Oh yeah, I mean yeah, the Hittites. That was a 1352 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:40.920 that was a neflum giant clan uh in the Bible, right, 1353 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:43.800 the ones I talk about in my book the Epic 1354 01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:47.960 of Esau marries into the Hittites. 1355 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:52.640 And we didn't plan this, by the way, that's hilarious, 1356 01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:53.000 let's not. 1357 01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.600 Yeah, So that's supposedly ancient Hitsite that this guy runs 1358 01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:01.840 the blog here as I don't. This blog is old. 1359 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.359 I've never I've never spoken to the guy, but he's 1360 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:07.359 he does a good job and trying to decipher all 1361 01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:10.119 these tablets that are found mainly through the Ohio region 1362 01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:14.479 with the old Adena Mounds. So kind of you've been 1363 01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:16.359 to Serpent Mound? Have you been to Chili Coffee? 1364 01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:18.079 Uh? 1365 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:17.960 Uh? 1366 01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:20.680 I want to go to a bunch more this summer. 1367 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:21.079 Uh. 1368 01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:22.000 The only ones that. 1369 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.680 Because I honestly I started getting into reading about them 1370 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.359 last year before last, and last year I went and 1371 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.479 visited my first ones. I went to Ohio and I 1372 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:38.560 went to uh the Eenon Mound. I went to Miamisburg 1373 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:43.880 one and Serpent Mound. That's the three that I've been 1374 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:46.840 to so far. So this summer and spring, I'm really 1375 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:49.000 going to hit the road hard and see. 1376 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:53.640 Some nice So right down the road from Serpent Mound 1377 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:56.319 is Chili Cooffee. Have you here to put your look 1378 01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.600 at the Adena Mounds? What we know about him as 1379 01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:01.760 far as they weren't and you know, because not many 1380 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:03.840 of them are left compared to what. 1381 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:06.039 How many there used to be? Right? You know? 1382 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.720 Not even we have a small percentage now I'm just 1383 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:13.319 gonna say small, you know, an infantilised percentage of you know, 1384 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:18.479 less than one percent there still remains. So if you 1385 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:21.439 put a like a bulls eye on like Chili Coothy, 1386 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:23.640 that would like if you looked at like a target. 1387 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.319 Chilicothe would be like the bulls eye, right, and then 1388 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:29.199 it spreads out from there. But the largest epicenter of 1389 01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:33.960 a Dina mounds are in around Chilicothe. There's still a 1390 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:34.760 number of sites there. 1391 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:40.079 Yeah, I want to get to. Uh is where I'm 1392 01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:46.840 at closer toward Nashville. There's a really big mound complex 1393 01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:48.960 out that way that I want to go check out. 1394 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.680 The name slipping my mind right now, but it's a 1395 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:54.439 big one pension. 1396 01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.439 Yes, that's a that's a very interesting site. That's I've 1397 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:00.239 been there as well. 1398 01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:05.640 In fact, good guys. 1399 01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.600 And go see some sights and do film and stuff. 1400 01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:11.399 Definitely go, let's go on an adventure. 1401 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:14.640 Yeah, well, if you're in Ohio, definitely, Yeah, definitely let 1402 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.960 me know if you're coming to some mountains in Ohio. 1403 01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:19.439 I'm I'm always looking looking for some mountain time. 1404 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:23.359 I'm last weekend in July, I'll be up there for 1405 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:24.279 a conference. 1406 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:26.600 Uh, I'll be there conference. 1407 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.000 Uh, it's just a no, it's just a conference that 1408 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:31.000 I go to every year. 1409 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:31.920 As uh. 1410 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.399 Trying to think of the town Brooksville. 1411 01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:37.319 Ohio. 1412 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:39.079 Must be north of here. 1413 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:44.880 It's thirty minutes from Eenon Mound and thirty minutes from Miamisburg. 1414 01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:46.800 Because last year when I went to the conference, I 1415 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:49.760 found out how close those mounds were and I was like, yeah, 1416 01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:50.479 I have to go. 1417 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.159 It's about I'm about an hour from that from there. 1418 01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:56.760 That's early by dating, but yeah, Miami's Burg Mounds super. 1419 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.159 Oh yeah, it'd be cool to get some drawn footage 1420 01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:07.560 of those mountains. What's that it'd be cool to get 1421 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:09.239 some drone footage of the mountains. 1422 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:13.000 Oh man, you know, justin you must have some good 1423 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.720 stuff from the the Serpent Mound because you made a 1424 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:19.079 good point. You really have to see it from above 1425 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:22.520 to really to really take in the whole situation there. 1426 01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:24.880 And that tower has been closed for a number of years. 1427 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:26.920 Yeah, I got kicked out. 1428 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:31.560 They got signs everywhere saying no drones, no drones, no drones. 1429 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:34.920 So I recorded all the stuff that I needed and 1430 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.439 I was like, I'm just gonna fly it any damn way. 1431 01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:39.600 I went on a Sunday and there wasn't a whole 1432 01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:42.760 lot of people there, so I recorded everything that I 1433 01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.279 wanted to record, and then I went to the head 1434 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:47.680 of the Serpent and kind of just waited for, you know, 1435 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:50.560 everybody to disperse because they're witn't that many people there? 1436 01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:53.640 And I launched it from the head and took off 1437 01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.279 and I made it like halfway down or it starts 1438 01:15:56.319 --> 01:16:00.920 to curve, and of course I'm looking at my camera 1439 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:03.680 on my controller, and all of a sudden, I just hear. 1440 01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:07.119 Sir, sir, sir, and. 1441 01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:10.920 I'm like shit, And I look over and it's a 1442 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:14.119 worker and he's like, sir, I don't know if you've 1443 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:17.079 not seen the signs. And I mean you couldn't miss them. 1444 01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:19.399 I mean the hell it was like every five foot 1445 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:22.960 on the walkway, no drone, no drone, no drunk. I 1446 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:27.720 was like, no, what sign talking lot like down the block. Yeah, 1447 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:29.920 and he was like, yeah, we don't allow drones here. 1448 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:31.800 I was like, oh, I didn't know, man, My bad. 1449 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:33.960 And so I went to land it, you know, after 1450 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:36.439 I after I landed it, you know, he was like, well, 1451 01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:38.079 rules are rules, so I don't have to ask you 1452 01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:40.520 to leave, sir. And I was like, you know, and 1453 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.640 I was like, well, how's everybody got all this drunk fooge. 1454 01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:44.119 I see on TV? 1455 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:44.600 You know. 1456 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:48.439 He's like, oh uh, they file asked for paperwork. 1457 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.319 And all this stuff. And I was like, how can 1458 01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:51.479 you don't allow people to fly. 1459 01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:55.439 And he was like, because it's this sights sacred. You know, 1460 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:58.680 people do rituals here and people are buried here. And 1461 01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:02.159 I was like, we do a piece of people. Oh yeah, 1462 01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:03.680 But I was like, I say, a piece of paperwork 1463 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:05.880 makes it unsacred for a little. 1464 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:07.640 While to a bureaucrat. 1465 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:08.920 But yeah, yeah. 1466 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:11.399 But but I found out through Jeff though, because uh, 1467 01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.479 next year I'll get some real good footage because Jeff 1468 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:17.960 owns property. That guy I've been talking about, I've made 1469 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:20.800 friends with him. He owns the property that's tied adjacent 1470 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:25.000 to Serpent Mound. And he said, they can't do nothing. 1471 01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:27.720 You know, they don't own the airspace, he said, but 1472 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.960 you can't launch and land there. He said, Just next 1473 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:33.000 time you're up, come to my house. He said, you 1474 01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:37.279 can launch from my land and fly over you. 1475 01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.880 Any place that I had to sign with the no drones. 1476 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.319 I literally just left the property and sent it up 1477 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:47.399 for my car, like out in the street on the play. 1478 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:51.600 You know what's crazy is that. 1479 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:53.479 I mean, you probably realize you can send that ship 1480 01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:55.239 up eighty feet and you don't even see it anymore. 1481 01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:57.439 You actually don't have to go that high for people 1482 01:17:57.479 --> 01:17:58.319 not to even see the. 1483 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:02.199 Fucking yeah, they just hear it. 1484 01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:05.359 They yeah, they might hear yours. 1485 01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:06.840 Yeah, because you got a little bit more of it 1486 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:07.760 us in mine. 1487 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:14.000 But go ahead, Nick, I'm just saying, I know I 1488 01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.319 throw I've put mine up. I know for a fact, 1489 01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:18.720 I've noticed at least at eighty feet you'll not see 1490 01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:19.960 you to hear it. 1491 01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:23.359 It's pretty crazy. It's really not that high. If you 1492 01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:24.800 think about it. 1493 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:29.640 The next time you go to surper mountd there, justin 1494 01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:31.640 don't take it right out of there and drive three 1495 01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:35.079 miles down the road to Belfast, Ohio, and definitely don't 1496 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:37.319 take a picture in front of the Knights of pytheus hole. 1497 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:41.199 You know, secret society, the Knights of Pythias. They don't 1498 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:44.199 like that there. They'll send me the Belfast Welcoming Crew 1499 01:18:44.479 --> 01:18:46.319 to come come greet you. 1500 01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:47.359 Do they have one of those of. 1501 01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:51.239 It, The Knights of Pithias. They're an interesting bunch. 1502 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:53.520 I hadn't really heard of them until I stumbled across 1503 01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:55.800 this location, decided to take a photograph in front of 1504 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.119 the place, and it got weird. 1505 01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:02.840 We'd also just eat a bunch of shrooms. 1506 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:06.279 I was with Recluse was medi Recluse, host of Steven Sneyder, 1507 01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.880 the host of the Farm podcast. We meet him and 1508 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:13.279 a couple of fellas. We're doing a Serpent Mound mushroom 1509 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:17.520 adventure and decided to go you know, went this way, 1510 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:20.079 I think, taking a wrong turn maybe perhaps on the 1511 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.279 way out of there, you know, not the sober driver 1512 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:24.800 was he wasn't from around the area. I was the 1513 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.600 one who drove was there. Then ate a bunch of 1514 01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:29.119 mushrooms like a jackass and couldn't drug. It was part 1515 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.000 of the plan. But the plan was also not to 1516 01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.520 get lost. But we get lost right because I, you know, 1517 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:37.279 I didn't give the guy directions and we end up 1518 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:38.479 at this place, so we know, we get out of 1519 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:40.840 the car, we're taking pictures and yeah, they don't like that. 1520 01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:42.960 I don't like that as a It's an odd experience. 1521 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:46.680 And what is it exactly, It's an. 1522 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:49.319 Old it's a very old ass, very rural Knights of 1523 01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:52.920 Pitheis Lodge. So they're they're a secret society, you know, 1524 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.119 they're I don't know, I don't want to call them 1525 01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:57.000 even relative to the freemass. They kind of have this 1526 01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:00.239 independent where I call the International Order of Oddfellows kind 1527 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.840 of like diet Freemasonry, because you know, the craftsman. You know, 1528 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:06.560 like these people they have like a different trajectory in 1529 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:08.680 life as far as their secret society stuff goes. 1530 01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:10.359 They don't quote me in that because I don't know 1531 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:12.600 enough about them. I just don't go. Take a picture 1532 01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:13.680 of the old lodge. 1533 01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:16.479 In front of Belfast. Apparently it's an active lodge. It 1534 01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:18.319 looks it looked like it was a rundown check. 1535 01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:23.359 Yeah, it looks like an old abandoned like grocery store 1536 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:23.800 or something. 1537 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:24.800 Back that's what we thought. 1538 01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:30.319 That's I just wanted some milk and bread, dude. 1539 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:39.600 Right, yeah, yeah, my shrooms are wearing off. 1540 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:40.039 I want to. 1541 01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:44.720 Drifts the longer fun man, that's dripps no longer fun. 1542 01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:46.279 You killing my brothers. 1543 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:46.600 Man. 1544 01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:55.319 So you mentioned the the the o g uh kind 1545 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:56.119 of comment. 1546 01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:59.279 Portal situation before, right, yeah. 1547 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:01.279 And you know one of the things I thought of 1548 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:03.800 when you're describing that is, you know, I, you know, 1549 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:05.920 I was wondering if they're wearing the black robes and 1550 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:07.840 the nikes when they're doing that, because it sounds very 1551 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:09.359 Heaven's Gate like with that kind of. 1552 01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:12.039 Theology of your philosophy of this ritual to go. 1553 01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:14.720 Jump, you know, send your spirit onto onto a you know, 1554 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:18.800 some sort of celestial being. Right, And yeah, you know 1555 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:23.159 this tablet, the Cincinnati Tablet's even even tracking Haley's comment. 1556 01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:24.880 That's what the uh, that's what the. 1557 01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:26.920 Heaven's Gate folks were after, right, they were trying to 1558 01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:29.600 jump Haley's comments. So I wonder if folks back in 1559 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:32.439 the Dina Mount folks where they were rocking some robes 1560 01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.079 and nikes doing some of the the Haley's Comment stuff 1561 01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:38.479 Heaven's Gate style too, Because what I mean is these ideas, 1562 01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:41.159 I wonder they seem like they never go away, right, 1563 01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:44.600 Like I think a lot of folks, especially in the 1564 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:46.800 late nineties, you know, you seem like you're you're of 1565 01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:49.439 the same age as Nick and myself. And Heaven's Gate 1566 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:51.399 was kind of the hostet of the interwebs, right, it 1567 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:53.520 was the uh they were kind of known as the 1568 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:54.600 Internet cult. 1569 01:21:55.800 --> 01:22:00.239 Yeah, well, I mean they it's like Solomon said, you know, 1570 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.880 nothing new is under the sun. That they will find 1571 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.840 this new thing in Marvel and say, oh, they found 1572 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:10.319 this new thing. No, it's an old thing that's been 1573 01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:13.159 lost and forgotten now just being rediscovered. 1574 01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:15.079 Yeah. 1575 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:17.520 But with these concepts, do they get rediscovered, they just 1576 01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:18.319 get passed down. 1577 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:23.039 Well, I mean, if they're fortunate enough not to be lost, yeah, 1578 01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:25.479 they get passed now. But if they end up getting 1579 01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:28.880 lost or forgotten for a while, someone finds a tablet 1580 01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:33.680 or an old writing or text and it gets. 1581 01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:37.279 Worm salamander tells them how to do it justice Smith style, 1582 01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:39.039 or an angel. 1583 01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:42.119 Or a magic stone and a hat, and. 1584 01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:45.640 They get dry. That's what I'm saying. 1585 01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:49.720 So it reveals all if humanity forgets these ideas of 1586 01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:52.720 shipping their souls, the you know, the comments through these portals, 1587 01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:56.800 does does some being come telling that through a magic stone, 1588 01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:58.760 the hat or a magical salamander? 1589 01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.359 Or well what did what did Crowley do? 1590 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:03.760 He was doing stuff in the in Nhid Egypt, right, 1591 01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:06.359 he was doing sometuff in the uh Great Pyramid, right. 1592 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:07.840 Yeah. 1593 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:11.279 I mean that's what I think with the Biblical viewpoint. 1594 01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:14.600 You know, it's the the demons, the fallen angels, these 1595 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:17.880 beneha loheen that I talked about with Deuteronomy and the 1596 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:18.680 Tower of Babbel. 1597 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.840 It's, uh, yeah, you're pulling. 1598 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:25.119 Out that esoteric phone, e t phone and home, but 1599 01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:28.920 you don't know who's answer the the other side. 1600 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:31.880 They'll tell you what you want to hear. 1601 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:36.680 But it's like even the Muses. You know, I've talked 1602 01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:39.000 about that. I've been doing some research on that. Want 1603 01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:40.399 to do a show on those guys. 1604 01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:41.600 Uh. 1605 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:45.560 The ancient Greeks, you know, they talked about the Nine Muses. 1606 01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:53.439 So whether it was music or theater or songwriting, storytelling. Uh, 1607 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:57.960 any time that they got an inspiration for something, they 1608 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:02.479 attributed it to the music. And they said the Muse 1609 01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:05.119 came to them and gave them this thing, you know. 1610 01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:07.840 And then they have in modern time talks about you know, 1611 01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:14.279 automatic writing. Uh, who was it? Led Zeppelin talked about 1612 01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.119 a night of partying that they woke up and boom, 1613 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:20.079 there was a Stairway to Heaven and some of those 1614 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:25.319 hit songs and uh, the lead singer's handwriting, he didn't 1615 01:24:25.399 --> 01:24:26.239 remember writing it. 1616 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.760 Yeah. Yeah, Jimmy Page was living and I was the 1617 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:32.840 Crowley's old house when that right. 1618 01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:36.840 Yeah, So you know, the ancient Greeks called that the Muse. 1619 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:41.520 And when you go into like Homer and Hesiod, uh 1620 01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:45.439 in the original languages. Uh, in like the opening of 1621 01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:49.640 the Iliad, you know Homer's talking about Yeah, Uh, I 1622 01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:53.960 summoned the Nine muses. Uh, I'm there there. Basically, I'm 1623 01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:57.239 their vessel. And then all of a sudden, it's like 1624 01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:00.760 the one of the muses takes him over and it says, yes, 1625 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:04.079 I'm I'm the muse, and we give the histories and 1626 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:08.439 the stories and the songs, and it basically says that 1627 01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:11.279 it's up to us whether we tell you the truth 1628 01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:14.720 or a lie. So, I mean, even at the beginning 1629 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.760 of the Iliad that the muse that takes over the 1630 01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:22.920 pen tells you up front, you know, yeah, we're the 1631 01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:25.000 ones that give the stories, We're the one that gives 1632 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:29.560 the songs, and it's up to us whether we tell 1633 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:32.800 you the truth or tell you a pretty lie. 1634 01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:35.920 Now, are their muses the same as demons because their 1635 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:37.239 demons are not our demons. 1636 01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:41.840 Their demons are different demons. Their demons are demons, right. 1637 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:44.439 Well, I mean it's you know, tomato tomato. I mean, 1638 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:48.600 but the thing is is they they you know, demands 1639 01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:52.720 to the Greeks, they're they're benevolent. But to the like 1640 01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:56.199 the Jewish people and stuff, that's the same thing. It's 1641 01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:59.520 just from their viewpoint is that they are the dis 1642 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:04.000 embody spirits of the Nephelem. But the Greeks see them 1643 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:07.399 as the good guys. You know, it's the same thing. 1644 01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:10.760 It's like a finger puppet. You got a hand and 1645 01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:13.239 got a puppet on each finger with a different name, 1646 01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:14.960 but hey, let's come from the same hand. 1647 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:19.159 I mean, I see what you're saying. I had a 1648 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:21.399 different concept of with the Greek's view of the damon was. 1649 01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:25.000 I thought it was like the unconscious mind from subconscious mind. 1650 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:28.199 Well some like you know, like Plato and some of 1651 01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:31.479 these guys, they had everybody had like their own flavor 1652 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:32.079 or viewpoint. 1653 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:35.399 That yeah, you know, that was Plato's definition, right, Yeah. 1654 01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:38.920 Plato talked about how the gods weren't real. The gods 1655 01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:47.720 were basically, uh, personality or emotions. So like when you 1656 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:51.880 got angry, that was aries whispering in your ear, you know, 1657 01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:58.079 or when you had a lustful thought or something like that, 1658 01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:01.279 that was afrodite. So kind of like you know, he 1659 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:06.159 has thought was the gods were the emotions and thoughts 1660 01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:06.760 of the mind. 1661 01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:12.840 Yeah, I mean he uh, he certainly created a lot 1662 01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:16.880 of the thoughts and there were later developed new thoughts, right, 1663 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:20.600 I mean, he's everything, you know, everything Plato didn't said 1664 01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:23.199 apparently seems to have formed Western thought. 1665 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:26.199 Mm hmm, yeah, Carl Jung and a lot of the 1666 01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:30.520 right the thinkers of the New World. 1667 01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:37.520 For sure. 1668 01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:42.600 So that's what's the relationship with the hit tights and 1669 01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:46.000 Uh and your esl Uh storyline there with the I 1670 01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:50.039 don't so the epic was the is, if I'm understanding correctly, 1671 01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:53.000 is the essentially the birth of the Nephilim that have 1672 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:57.319 there nepheline that that have created these giants that we 1673 01:27:57.399 --> 01:27:58.640 later find in these mounds, right? 1674 01:27:58.720 --> 01:27:59.920 Is that kind of the long and the short of it. 1675 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:06.279 He's not he marries in to them. You know. 1676 01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:10.920 For those that's not familiar with Esau, he's honestly, he's 1677 01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:14.079 like one of the most enigmatic characters of the Bible. 1678 01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:18.399 You just get little blurbs about him. And it's because 1679 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:23.720 you know, the Bible, you know, was sixty six separate 1680 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:28.520 scrolls that were put together and made into this book, 1681 01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:32.199 but there was all kinds of other scrolls and stories 1682 01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:36.079 around during this time. It just didn't make the quote 1683 01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:39.640 unquote cut for the Bible. And so when the writers 1684 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:42.479 are writing these books, they didn't go into great detail 1685 01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:45.560 about this guy because there were so many other books 1686 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:48.560 that did go into great detail so it's like they thought, 1687 01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:51.520 you know, what's the what's the point in beating a 1688 01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:54.600 dead horse? Theoretically everybody knows about this. I don't need 1689 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:57.000 to cover this. So you had the you know, the 1690 01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:00.800 Book of Jashure and the legends of the Use and 1691 01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:04.520 all these other things. So like as the past two 1692 01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:06.840 years when I deep dived and found this stuff, I 1693 01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:10.039 found all these other little missing pieces and put them 1694 01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:12.600 together to form this complete. 1695 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:13.119 Story of this guy. 1696 01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:17.279 But the Book of Genesis just starts off and tells 1697 01:29:17.319 --> 01:29:19.600 you about Esau. It says that his birth, you know, 1698 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:22.399 strange to say the least. It says that he comes 1699 01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:25.520 out red, covered in hair from head to toe like 1700 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:30.319 a Harry Cloak. So with our modern vernacular and viewpoint, 1701 01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:33.640 it's like, if you've seen this guy that's described in 1702 01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:36.600 the Bible out in the woods or out on the street, 1703 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:39.119 I mean, without hesitation, I mean you would say, I 1704 01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:42.479 mean I seen Bigfoot, I seen a sasquatch, right, I 1705 01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:45.039 mean it said he was covered in hair from head 1706 01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:50.600 to toe like a cloak. And it skips on down. 1707 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:54.399 You get his genealogies and he you know, he was 1708 01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:57.640 the eldest son who traded his birth right, But some 1709 01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:00.600 of these extra biblical books say that he bumps into 1710 01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:05.319 King Nimrod and they're both Their claims to fame is 1711 01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:09.439 that they were the mighty Hunters, and so it's kind 1712 01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:12.279 of like the Highlander, you know, there can. 1713 01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:13.239 Only be one baby. 1714 01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:17.640 So these two mighty hunters clash, and it says that 1715 01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:22.920 Esau kills Nimrod, cuts off his head, and steals his garments, 1716 01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:25.479 and it says these were the garments to which he 1717 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:31.319 was able to rule over all the nations. So and 1718 01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.039 immediately I was like, well, what's up with these garments? 1719 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:36.079 What's so special with these garments? And so as I 1720 01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:38.760 got to digging, it turns out that these are the 1721 01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:42.000 supernatural garments from the Garden of God that was given 1722 01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:45.800 to Adam and Eve, and so I just started finding 1723 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.439 all these cool things about this guy. But to answer 1724 01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:54.199 your question, he takes three wives in his adult age, 1725 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:59.920 and two of them are Canaanites, who they were commanded 1726 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:03.680 not to marry into. They were supposed to be a 1727 01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:09.920 cursed lineage. And when you follow genealogies, these were known 1728 01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:18.039 Nephalem giant clans. So if you take this Sasquatch guy 1729 01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:23.760 and marry him into Nephilim giant clans and interbreed with them. 1730 01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:27.359 I mean, you have a really high likelihood of throwing 1731 01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:31.600 some really strange pups, to say the least. And I 1732 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.479 think that's why you have so many stories throughout the 1733 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:38.880 world and cultures of the Yetti of In China they 1734 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:41.399 call it the Urine. In Europe they call it the 1735 01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:45.680 wild Man. In Sardinia you have these festivals where the 1736 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:50.159 people cover themselves in black goats fur and danced during 1737 01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:54.640 the summer or the winter solstice. You have the histories 1738 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:58.880 and stories of Crampus. In North America, you have the 1739 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:02.359 city Kai, the red haired Giants. I mean, it doesn't 1740 01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:05.479 matter where you go, it's a common theme and story 1741 01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:11.479 because I think it stems from this event and when 1742 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:15.119 he intermarries with these people, it says that his from 1743 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:18.239 this union. His grandson is this guy and the Bible 1744 01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:22.319 called Amelek, and Amelek was kind of like Nimrod. He 1745 01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:27.199 was this famous warrior giant and he bursts this clan 1746 01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:30.840 called the Amalekites, and they were kind of like the 1747 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:37.079 Viking berserkers. They were known for their ruthlessness and they 1748 01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:43.159 were just they dominated the battlefield and they hailed from 1749 01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:46.159 the land of Mount Sierra. And when you break down 1750 01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:48.840 that word in Hebrew, that means harry, So it's already 1751 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:55.279 describing these harry giants, Okay, yeah. And so when you 1752 01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:59.880 get to the etymology of the Amalekites name also that 1753 01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:08.159 means blood liquors, so it's these hairy, giant, vamporistic style people. 1754 01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:16.760 And I think it's telling because in the Israelites Wilderness 1755 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:19.880 Wanderings in the Bible, it says that the first people 1756 01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:24.800 they encounter are these Amalekites and that they attack them. 1757 01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:27.720 And here's where you get all the rules from God. 1758 01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:30.960 And I say it in the book. You don't get rules, 1759 01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:34.760 laws and regulations if somebody's not breaking these rules, laws 1760 01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:39.319 or regulations, you know there's a reason why you get them. 1761 01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:41.920 And I think if you look at those I think 1762 01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:44.399 it's telling to the people that they were having contact 1763 01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:48.399 with because it says number one, do not drink the 1764 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:54.119 blood the life forces in the blood. It says, do 1765 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:59.039 not seek necromancers and sorcerers, do not pass your children 1766 01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:02.560 through the fire, and it says, no longer will you 1767 01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:09.159 sacrifice to harry goat demons. And you know the book 1768 01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:14.279 of Isaiah talks about, uh, the wild This is all 1769 01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:17.159 like in the Deuteronomy and Leviticus. This is all like 1770 01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:22.159 during the Jews wilderness wanderings time. And it says in 1771 01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:26.119 the Isaiah that the wild men the satyrs will dance 1772 01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:28.520 in the wilderness in the desolate cities. I think it's 1773 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:32.079 talking about these people from the Union of Esaw, this 1774 01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:37.000 Harry sasquatch man breeding with these Nephlum giant clans uh. 1775 01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:41.000 And I think that's why you see remnants of all 1776 01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:48.520 these you know, Urine Sasquatch, Crampus, the people of Sardinia, uh, 1777 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:53.119 just throughout the world. And that's why God was people don't, yeah, 1778 01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:57.079 don't do this because God's people were seeing these Amalekites, 1779 01:34:57.159 --> 01:35:02.399 these blood liquors do I mean, these practices, and God's 1780 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:05.840 people were starting to imitate them. So God's like, no, no, no, no, 1781 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:06.720 you can't be doing this. 1782 01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:11.680 That's interesting. 1783 01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:15.680 So the hitit tights fall into this bloodline as a 1784 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:19.840 result of can you what was that again? Can you 1785 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:22.039 refresh me on the hit type worson of that? I 1786 01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:22.760 appreciate that. 1787 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:25.439 Excellent. You got me going on so many different wheels. 1788 01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:28.359 Turned my head there I've now forgot where we started 1789 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:29.039 with the Hittites though. 1790 01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:31.560 Connection to that, well, like. 1791 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:34.439 When you go through the genealogies in Genesis, and thanks 1792 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:38.479 to people like Gary Wayne in his book The Genesis 1793 01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:42.000 Sixth Conspiracy, I mean, he did like a really you know, 1794 01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:46.680 good thorough job of going through those genealogies, because I 1795 01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:49.840 mean they are they're boring. You know, a lot of 1796 01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:51.920 people just read through those because it's you know, this 1797 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:54.079 one forgot that, this one but got that, but got 1798 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:56.000 but got but got but goot, and it's kind of 1799 01:35:56.039 --> 01:35:58.359 boring and we skip over it, you know. But he 1800 01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:01.000 went through it with a fine tooth, calm them and 1801 01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:05.439 traced them, and he found out, you know, that these 1802 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:11.359 were known Nephlum giant clans. And so through him going 1803 01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.520 through and tracing all that, we know that they were 1804 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:20.560 you know, Nephlim, they were giants and were Esau marries 1805 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:25.479 into this this line. You have this hybridization of mixing 1806 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:30.279 of giants with this sasquatchy sounding guy. But he even 1807 01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:33.800 takes a third wife his but his third wife he 1808 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:40.760 marries into uh Ishmael's clan. It's crazy about that. Is 1809 01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:51.600 Ismael is his father's eldest brother, and him and Ismael 1810 01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:57.720 have something in common. They're both the eldest brother that 1811 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:02.800 was screwed out of their birth right by their younger brother. 1812 01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:08.880 So you can kind of imagine the family feud like 1813 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:14.239 hatred that was sown, you know, between these people and 1814 01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:18.560 between this union, and you see it playing out today 1815 01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:22.319 even when you turn on your news. Because when you 1816 01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:26.439 go through the genealogies, all of your your Muslim nations, 1817 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:31.960 all of your Palestinian and people groups and religious groups 1818 01:37:32.079 --> 01:37:37.279 that are constantly at enmity and at war with God's 1819 01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:41.560 uh you know people, the Jews, it all stems from 1820 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:47.760 this seed war. It's a it's an ancient thing because. 1821 01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:50.039 Now I think family few That's how I look at 1822 01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:50.560 a lot of things. 1823 01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:52.880 You're making at making a lot of sense to me there, justine, 1824 01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:53.960 like what you're saying. 1825 01:37:54.520 --> 01:37:58.000 Yeah, so it's two you know, two you know, brothers, 1826 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.560 two family sets, both of them think that they were 1827 01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:04.520 screwed out of their inheritance to their birthright in this land, 1828 01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:07.760 and they're fighting to the death over it, right. 1829 01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:08.920 I mean, it's you know, and. 1830 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:10.640 That's why I named the book, you know, the the 1831 01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:14.079 Epic of Esau and the subtitle is The Birthright and 1832 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:15.000 the Seed War. 1833 01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:17.760 Nice. 1834 01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:23.079 Yeah, so, you know it would it would be fascinating 1835 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:27.680 then that there's these giants, you know, at the at 1836 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:29.039 the base of these oldest. 1837 01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:30.840 Mounds here in America. 1838 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:34.199 And there's also tablets that connect to similarly the same 1839 01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:35.960 same civilization of folks. 1840 01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:38.520 Right, yeah, I think so. 1841 01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:43.239 Anyway, Yeah, the and that that that area of. 1842 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:49.039 Turkey and Syria was very important to the Crusades, if 1843 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:52.039 you're familiar with the First Crusade. They set up shopped 1844 01:38:52.039 --> 01:38:58.600 there in uh for about twenty five years, so then 1845 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:00.640 you know the Knight's Temple of that as at least 1846 01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:03.840 not sure, you know, I don't really pay much sense 1847 01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:05.680 in those are those other knights orders if I can 1848 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:08.720 give you some templar history, and they they set up 1849 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:10.920 shopped there for about twenty five years for the the 1850 01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:13.359 first crew said that was there, that was their headquarters 1851 01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:16.560 in this uh in the mediate area of that that uh, 1852 01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:20.239 this kind of uh you know, giants and the ancient 1853 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:21.920 Hittype folks come from. 1854 01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:25.079 Yeah, it was important on you know, in two facets, 1855 01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:29.840 because number one, it had biblical importance because you know, 1856 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.800 this was the cradle of civilization. This is where they 1857 01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:35.560 believed the Garden of Eden to be. This is where 1858 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:37.680 you know Mount this is close to Mount air At 1859 01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:43.560 where and their beliefs. Yeah, the boat landed that restarted 1860 01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:44.439 all civilization. 1861 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:46.800 Uh. 1862 01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:50.479 And then at the same time, this was the center 1863 01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:54.439 of a lot of trade routes. And this was the 1864 01:39:54.479 --> 01:40:01.079 place that connected Europe to the Middle East and also Asia. 1865 01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:04.840 So this was uh, right, a super highway. So you 1866 01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:08.399 had the silk and and the spices coming from Asia. 1867 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:14.359 You had uh, the silver and the tin and stuff 1868 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:18.439 coming from Europe. I mean this was this was all 1869 01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:19.119 crossing through. 1870 01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:20.960 Yes, So this is. 1871 01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:26.319 A very economic trade important place and it's also a 1872 01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:29.000 religious historical important place. 1873 01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:38.039 It's almost like it's the Holy Land, right. 1874 01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:41.680 Yeah. 1875 01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:44.079 I often wonder when when I looking at the templar stuff, 1876 01:40:44.079 --> 01:40:45.840 what were they what were they more interested in stuff 1877 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:48.800 down in Jerusalem or stuff over there in this this 1878 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:52.039 old ancient hit type region, because again they seem to 1879 01:40:52.079 --> 01:40:54.800 be that seemed to be their primary concern. It wasn't 1880 01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:56.359 like they had to pass through that area and it 1881 01:40:56.399 --> 01:40:58.279 couldn't go further south. They seem to want to do 1882 01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:00.800 a lot of activity there and set up to shop 1883 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:04.279 there before they went anywhere else because again twenty five 1884 01:41:04.359 --> 01:41:05.520 years or something like that. 1885 01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:13.720 And nothing too. They need the money. They were trying 1886 01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:14.680 to gather all their. 1887 01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:21.760 Funds to fund all their explorations. And also this was 1888 01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:25.239 a place where they thought, you know, possibility of the 1889 01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:28.600 Garden of Eden. This was a place that was possible 1890 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:33.159 for the Noah's arc. So they were looking for these artifacts, 1891 01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:37.239 and they were scavenging up money from all the trades 1892 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:41.159 and protecting merchants and doing you know, mercenary type work 1893 01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:45.600 and protecting trade routes so they could fund explorations down 1894 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:49.239 into the Holy Land. And at the same time, the 1895 01:41:49.319 --> 01:41:53.520 templars were going down into Ethiopia and looking for the 1896 01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:54.720 ark of the Covenant. 1897 01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:59.560 Sure, now, they were very interested in all that business. 1898 01:41:59.680 --> 01:41:59.960 Sure right. 1899 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.359 I also think they they found troves of libraries over 1900 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:06.319 there in the Eastern Roman Empire that they didn't previously 1901 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:14.800 have access to. Yep, So not necessarily minetari or goal 1902 01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:19.079 treasures or religious treasures, but you know, treasures nonetheless. 1903 01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:23.039 Oh yeah, yeah, what are your. 1904 01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:25.760 Thoughts on this mound? Let's play a game called what 1905 01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:27.239 are your thoughts on this Mount? 1906 01:42:28.119 --> 01:42:31.640 Yeah? I am not familiar with it. 1907 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:33.600 Oh, this is a fun one. 1908 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:42.159 Well, I don't you know, I don't know what they've done. 1909 01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:45.920 Yeah, well, I think it's kinmonly referred to as the 1910 01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:46.640 Honic Mound. 1911 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:49.800 I'm not sure what this Wikipedia page, this the sources 1912 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:52.600 of all information on the interwebs. You know, someone seems 1913 01:42:52.600 --> 01:42:55.399 to have added in some silliness in there. Perhaps Most 1914 01:42:55.439 --> 01:43:00.439 folks claim this this mound didn't exist. That's that's the 1915 01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:01.920 overwhelming narrative. 1916 01:43:06.359 --> 01:43:07.520 Until they've not found it. 1917 01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:14.840 Well, I found it. I found it my phone in 1918 01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:19.479 this map. I got into a dispute with some for 1919 01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:23.239 some reason. There was these retired NSA guys also trying 1920 01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:25.880 to find this mound, and they published an article in 1921 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:29.479 the local newspaper there in Clairemont County, Ohio the location 1922 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.840 of this mound. And then I saw I wrote to 1923 01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:34.720 them an email, and so this is all very mysterious 1924 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:36.720 to me this was going on. They didn't say they 1925 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:39.520 were former NSA guys until I contacted. I saw the 1926 01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.920 article reached out these fellas. They were using light ar 1927 01:43:42.520 --> 01:43:44.840 to search for this mound in an area not where 1928 01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:45.880 this mound was located. 1929 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:48.680 So I wrote them in emails, like you fellas. 1930 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:51.640 Any luck finding the mound and They're like, oh no, 1931 01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:53.279 And I'm like, oh, yeah, how you you know. 1932 01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:55.000 What are you all doing? What are you all working 1933 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:55.319 with there? 1934 01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:57.119 And they're like, oh, we're a couple retired to say, 1935 01:43:57.159 --> 01:44:00.560 guys looking for this mound. We're using light arm. Okay, 1936 01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:02.880 did you read the map? And I asked them, did 1937 01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:04.880 you read the map? Because no, no, no, we got 1938 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:06.800 light r We all start something like no, no, did but 1939 01:44:06.880 --> 01:44:08.920 did you did you look at the map and did 1940 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:12.800 you read the map? The bottom of this map gives 1941 01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:17.119 clear instructions from the beginning point of the fork of 1942 01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:19.800 the Little Miami River to the eastern fork of the 1943 01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:22.560 Little Miami River in the precise distance in which you'll 1944 01:44:22.560 --> 01:44:24.920 find right right to the top of this uh. 1945 01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:28.159 They call it an oil lamp or you know in 1946 01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:30.960 Minora or over the honic mound. 1947 01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:34.560 It's been referred to in various forms and fashions because 1948 01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:37.560 there was a thing nine nine fellas. 1949 01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:40.279 Who uh over about a twelve year span. 1950 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:42.520 They were a member of that secret society that I 1951 01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.399 was talking about at the start of America, George Washington 1952 01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:49.159 Society of Cincinnati. They were all military officers and surveyors, 1953 01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:51.840 guys that were advanced in mathematics at the time where 1954 01:44:52.199 --> 01:44:54.960 you know, even in this country, folks were allegedly not 1955 01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:57.399 supposed to be that advanced in mathematics outside of you know, 1956 01:44:57.600 --> 01:45:01.479 outside of these elite colleges and whatnot that. But anyhow, 1957 01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:04.279 these folks over about twelve year time span, took numerous 1958 01:45:04.279 --> 01:45:08.359 trips here. Not an easy venture, you know, to you know, 1959 01:45:08.399 --> 01:45:10.560 to get you know, to this location. Necessarily there's no 1960 01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:14.000 highways or roads. It's all rivers and stuff. And they 1961 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:20.199 drew this map, you know, various surveys, and today it 1962 01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:24.760 sits at the bottom of a lake. Oh figures in 1963 01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:27.199 nineteen sixty seven of the US car Army Corps of 1964 01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:30.840 Engineers wanted to build one of their damn projects there 1965 01:45:31.279 --> 01:45:34.239 and fill in and fill in this town of Bantam, Ohio. 1966 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:38.840 And and they lost the court case and they did 1967 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:44.760 it anyway, so and then they got sued so as 1968 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:47.119 a result of violating the court order of not to 1969 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:49.560 do it. So for whatever reason, it seemed like someone 1970 01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:53.319 had a very uh there's a clear intent in my opinion, 1971 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:55.920 to bury this mound at the bottom of about one 1972 01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:59.199 hundred and fifty feet of very dirty I wouldn't go 1973 01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:01.720 in there, definitely don't touch that water. Lake water. 1974 01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:09.039 They done something similar in East Tennessee and you can 1975 01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:13.359 actually look it up. It's you know, accessible news. They 1976 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:16.439 even made a museum, but the name is slipping me. 1977 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:22.159 But they built a dam and flooded this town. And uh, 1978 01:46:22.760 --> 01:46:25.840 but they had found pyramids and they thought it was 1979 01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:32.000 like remnants of Egyptian stuff, and even the Smithsonian was involved, 1980 01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:36.199 and but they told them, even after they found everything, 1981 01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:39.039 now we're still building the dam. We're still flooding this 1982 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.960 this part of the valley, so mad dash. You got 1983 01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:45.479 like two weeks to dig and find what you can, 1984 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:50.920 and everybody went in and dug and found everything they could, 1985 01:46:50.960 --> 01:46:54.319 and then they flooded it. And they built like a 1986 01:46:54.439 --> 01:46:58.039 little museum and put the artifacts and stuff that they 1987 01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:01.920 found in there. But uh, you know, a lot of 1988 01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:08.760 conspiracy theorists say that it was an Egyptian uh pyramid 1989 01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:11.960 complex that they found in East Tennessee. 1990 01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:18.880 I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. Are you familiar with 1991 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:29.560 the back Creek stone? Mm hmm, it's from East Tennessee. 1992 01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:31.680 He says. 1993 01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:40.560 The Bad Creek bat b a T creek on the right, Tessee. 1994 01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:45.840 That looks like that Phoenician script. That paleo stuff that 1995 01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:49.720 Barry Feil found at America's Stonehenge. 1996 01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:50.479 That's exactly what it is. 1997 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:56.039 It's supposedly Paleo Hebrew, first century Paleo Hebrew YEP. Smithsonian 1998 01:47:56.079 --> 01:47:59.000 dug it up in the sixties claimed it was Cherokee, right, 1999 01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:02.039 ancient Cherokee rite the Cheroke. He's like, we didn't invent 2000 01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:04.239 writing to like seventeen oh five, buddy, what the fuck 2001 01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:05.079 are you talking about? 2002 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:05.640 You know what I mean? 2003 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:09.800 So I think Cheroke here is one of the lost tribes. 2004 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:12.640 Well yeah, well there you go. This is some of 2005 01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:14.720 the evidence maybe supporting that. Right, maybe they built the 2006 01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:15.640 Honia Mound. 2007 01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:15.800 Right. 2008 01:48:17.439 --> 01:48:21.880 Possibility. I spoke with that. He's actually a friend of mine. 2009 01:48:22.159 --> 01:48:24.359 He's the local guy. He this fifteen minutes from me. 2010 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:28.520 I just found this out this year. But Chief Joseph Riverwind, 2011 01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:33.199 he's been on a lot of documentaries of La Marzouli's 2012 01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:39.399 and actually made him in person and film some stuff 2013 01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:44.399 with him. But he actually found a like a ford 2014 01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:51.000 to five foot bronze Nephelim lance. I mean, this is 2015 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:53.920 just the blade of it. It's like four or five 2016 01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:57.079 foot long. It weighs like twenty something pounds and it 2017 01:48:57.159 --> 01:49:00.239 was on the end of like a huge javelin. Hear 2018 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:04.560 that story of the Giant of Kandahar, how he had 2019 01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:08.760 this huge spear and impaled two or three men on 2020 01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:12.439 this one spear. It was the same kind of weapon, 2021 01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:17.199 but they found it up in Michigan. 2022 01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:20.319 But I got pictures. I got to hold this freaking thing. 2023 01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:25.880 It was awesome. But he was talking about how his 2024 01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:32.000 wife is Cherokee and that they believed that they were 2025 01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:35.800 one of the lost tribes of Israel, and then all 2026 01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:39.399 this diaspora and stuff that they come over here, because 2027 01:49:39.399 --> 01:49:43.199 he said they went to Israel as a First Nation 2028 01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:47.720 representatives and that they were singing songs at the wall 2029 01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:52.880 in their Cherokee language and that there was a Jewish 2030 01:49:52.920 --> 01:49:56.279 man there. And after they got done singing, it was like, oh, 2031 01:49:56.319 --> 01:50:00.600 that was so beautiful, you singing about this, this and this, 2032 01:50:00.680 --> 01:50:04.159 and told them about several things that they were singing about, 2033 01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:06.119 and he was like some of it I couldn't understand, 2034 01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:08.479 but but yeah, but you said this, this and this, 2035 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:10.960 and he said he pretty much told him what they 2036 01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:13.359 were singing about, that he knew the majority of it. 2037 01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:16.479 And it was like, oh, you know, Cherokee language, you know, 2038 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:20.680 And he was like, no, you were singing uh old 2039 01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:22.920 ancient Jewish or Hebrew. 2040 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:26.640 And they were like, no, that was Cherokee. 2041 01:50:27.720 --> 01:50:29.159 And then they got the talk and it was like 2042 01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:33.159 that the languages were so similar, and like that the 2043 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:37.439 name of Yahweh was almost identical. 2044 01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:43.479 I didn't know that. I didn't know it was so similar. 2045 01:50:43.479 --> 01:50:45.800 I've heard the tales of the Cherokee. I have a 2046 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:48.279 lot of Cherokee in my family tree, so I have 2047 01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:50.640 heard the tales of being the lost tribes. 2048 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:50.840 You know. 2049 01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:54.000 I'm familiar with the the back Creeks done other such evidence. 2050 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:55.680 I'm certainly not ruling it out, you know what I mean. 2051 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:57.159 It seems it seems very plausible to me. 2052 01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:05.640 I had to just that. I was all blurry bro. 2053 01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:08.039 I was like, what the hell is going off my camera? 2054 01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:13.319 Well, gents, I appreciate with your time to Steven joining 2055 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:16.439 for for the Friday's Nick as always is j co 2056 01:51:16.520 --> 01:51:19.680 host here and just has been great to meet. You'll 2057 01:51:21.199 --> 01:51:23.640 turn the table both over to you, gents for some 2058 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:26.640 some closing statements around out the tonight's conversation. 2059 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:29.039 But I just wanted to say I appreciate both your 2060 01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:29.680 all time. 2061 01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:35.239 I'll go freshman all kime h, thanks for coming on. Man, 2062 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:37.159 that was some really good stuff. It was a really 2063 01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:38.760 good talk. I like the nouns. I even like the 2064 01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:42.479 stuff we're talking about at the beginning. Uh, really final thoughts. 2065 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:45.560 Really ain't got much to say. Really, check out the 2066 01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:49.960 Occult Rejects. It's on all major podcast hosts and bitch 2067 01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:53.279 you brumble and YouTube, and check out our website. Occult 2068 01:51:53.319 --> 01:51:56.279 Research Institute dot org has a bunch of the Occult 2069 01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:59.399 Rejects on there and affiliates of the Rejects that have 2070 01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:01.880 tons and tons of different types of work on different 2071 01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:02.800 types of subjects. 2072 01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:05.039 So thank you very much, sir. 2073 01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:11.760 And interject there, Justin Fru turned the table over to you. There, sir, 2074 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:14.079 it's wanted to point out Nick, we just did some 2075 01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:18.560 excellent Mormon conversations with uh with Heidi there gone as 2076 01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:21.359 a guest on the Occult Rejects. So I was I 2077 01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:24.079 want to be some ad biased, I'm I'm participant in 2078 01:52:24.119 --> 01:52:27.079 such conversations, but I really enjoyed them. I think they're 2079 01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:29.560 some excellent conversations that folks are going to enjoy. 2080 01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:31.359 Yeah, check that out and drop tomorrow. 2081 01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:36.039 There you go. Yeah, Justin sir, appreciate you again. 2082 01:52:36.439 --> 01:52:38.880 Appreciate your time, and you got my wheels turning on 2083 01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:39.840 a lot of subjects to that. 2084 01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:43.560 Definitely enjoyed the conversation so many different things. 2085 01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.479 Yeah, man, I thank you guys for having me. Man, 2086 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:49.199 I had a really good time. Hopefully this is the 2087 01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:53.439 first of many. But that's why I love the love podcasting. 2088 01:52:53.479 --> 01:52:53.680 Man. 2089 01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:57.399 You get to just sit down and uh, exchange puzzle pieces. 2090 01:52:57.640 --> 01:53:00.880 That's one thing I always say that this is we 2091 01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:04.199 all have pieces to the puzzle. Nobody has it all 2092 01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:07.720 figured out. You know, if you if you sit down 2093 01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:09.600 with somebody and they say they got it all figured out, 2094 01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:12.359 you better run because that person don't have a damn clue. 2095 01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:18.319 And yeah, and if you and if you, we're not 2096 01:53:18.359 --> 01:53:21.079 all going to agree on everything. So if you get 2097 01:53:21.079 --> 01:53:23.800 a group of people that say they agree on everything, 2098 01:53:24.119 --> 01:53:26.640 you better run from that too, because that's in occult. 2099 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:29.119 For sure. 2100 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:31.960 Yeah, but thank you guys for having me, and I 2101 01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:36.560 appreciate it. The podcast is Prometheus Lynn's podcast. You can 2102 01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:45.359 find me anywhere you can consume contents uh uh Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Ax, 2103 01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:47.960 any of those fine places you can just search up 2104 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:51.520 Prometheus Lynn's podcast. And find me there. And my newest 2105 01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:55.560 released book, uh, the Epic of e Saw the Birth 2106 01:53:55.640 --> 01:53:58.239 Right in seed War. You can find it on Amazon. 2107 01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:02.680 It's on ebook for ten bucks or paperback for twenty bucks. 2108 01:54:03.239 --> 01:54:03.399 Uh. 2109 01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:06.800 Check that out if you enjoyed any of the conversation 2110 01:54:06.920 --> 01:54:09.800 that we talked about today. It's fifteen chapters. We barely 2111 01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:13.039 barely scratched the surface. It was a two year deep dive. 2112 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:23.720 Nice. No, it's awesome. I got your links in the know. 2113 01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:27.399 I like the friends. The friends just come missus JJ. 2114 01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:32.439 Yeah is that mister or mister McCrone which one. 2115 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:32.840 I'm talking about? 2116 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:34.920 The fall this slash, That's what I'm saying there. 2117 01:54:36.359 --> 01:54:40.960 Yeah, shim shows you. 2118 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:43.159 The Uh. 2119 01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:45.560 No, I got your links in the in the notes 2120 01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:47.720 here to Justin, So folks want to check that out. 2121 01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:48.399 The link the links. 2122 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:53.520 They're already great conversation, Nick, Justin. I definitely appreciate all 2123 01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:56.159 the U the new the new stuff you got popping 2124 01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:58.960 off my brain oil here. But definitely yeah, link up 2125 01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:00.960 on the mounds again the future for sure. I liked 2126 01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:02.880 uh the time. Like I said, you're up in a 2127 01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:05.359 while doing some mound, some mound uh you know visits. 2128 01:55:05.439 --> 01:55:07.840 Let me let me know, happy to happy to give 2129 01:55:07.880 --> 01:55:09.680 you a too, or some some of the other sites 2130 01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:12.560 around the area that maybe you don't. We're off the 2131 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:14.880 beaten paths, so to speak, because this again, this is 2132 01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:17.880 mound country. But they're not all like uh, they're not 2133 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:20.760 all state parks, they're not all national parks. Some of 2134 01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:23.319 them don't have signs. I stumbled across a few in 2135 01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:25.560 North Carolina at a dog park when I was passing 2136 01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:28.359 through there a few weeks ago. I sent nick picture 2137 01:55:28.399 --> 01:55:31.079 for those from the dog park. I said, sometimes I 2138 01:55:31.159 --> 01:55:34.159 find the mouths and sometimes the mounds find me. So 2139 01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:36.159 definitely lots of mounts. 2140 01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:38.159 Field trip. 2141 01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:39.640 Yeah there you go. 2142 01:55:40.359 --> 01:55:42.640 Definitely done with that, man, for sure, I'm dying to 2143 01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:43.920 use my equipment whenever I can. 2144 01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:49.800 Yeah, the but yeah, I appreciate folks with the interwebs 2145 01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:52.119 chat chats always cracking me up here. Wh we were 2146 01:55:52.159 --> 01:55:53.600 having a good time there, for sure. It looks like 2147 01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:55.520 everyone everyone else having a good time. A lot a 2148 01:55:55.520 --> 01:55:56.960 lot of folks who joined, a lot of the stuff. 2149 01:55:56.960 --> 01:55:59.239 You're a lot of new information from the you know, 2150 01:55:59.319 --> 01:56:01.079 from the chat, like like a lot of folks were 2151 01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:04.359 saying there to justin so good for the for sure, 2152 01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:09.439 awesome stuff. But yeah, Operation GCD Live Wednesdays seven pm 2153 01:56:09.640 --> 01:56:12.520 and of course Fridays, you know, back here next Friday. 2154 01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:16.319 But did a comparison of OJ the O J. 2155 01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:20.000 Simpson did not do it in Idaho four case comparison 2156 01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:23.680 this past Wednesday night, which I you know, again biased 2157 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:26.199 because it's my show, but I highly recommend it. Folks 2158 01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:28.640 want to understand that OJ didn't do it, and the 2159 01:56:28.640 --> 01:56:31.439 same playbooks almost being rolled out here to frame Coburger, 2160 01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:35.279 strangely enough, involving the some some of the same characters 2161 01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:38.760 and nefarious activities surrounding the cases. 2162 01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:41.439 It's an odd environment. It's an odd environment indeed. 2163 01:56:41.479 --> 01:56:44.319 But and of course scientology is involved, not in the 2164 01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:46.760 IDO four case, necessarily not, but in the. 2165 01:56:46.720 --> 01:56:50.600 OJ you must quit and that what they said. 2166 01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:55.439 Yeah, it's not it's an odd uh. You know, whenever 2167 01:56:55.479 --> 01:56:57.760 I learned to OJ was a scientologist, I was like, well, 2168 01:56:57.880 --> 01:56:59.159 what the the fuck? 2169 01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:00.960 Why would they not in are that in any previous 2170 01:57:00.960 --> 01:57:02.399 detail about the guy? You know what I mean? 2171 01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:06.680 So you know, it's not a bunch of scientiflogis. But nonetheless, yeah, 2172 01:57:07.079 --> 01:57:09.239 the I'm not sure what I'm doing next Wednesday night, 2173 01:57:09.319 --> 01:57:12.960 so we'll tune in folks to find out, and again 2174 01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:14.920 thanks for joining us here tonight. 2175 01:57:17.600 --> 01:57:19.600 Any parting words, Fellas. 2176 01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:25.560 The difference between the known and the unknown is the journey. 2177 01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:27.560 Good journey, guys. 2178 01:57:28.520 --> 01:57:29.000 There you go.