WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:07.200 Well whiskey, come and take my pain, hondys all. 2 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:12.240 Ray whiskey. Why think alone when you can drink it all? 3 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:16.399 In with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour, join your bartenders, 4 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:22.079 Steve Hayward, John You and the International Woman of Mystery, Lucretia. 5 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.280 Where they slapped it up and David, ain't you easy 6 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:29.199 on the Sooda? 7 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:34.359 Have you got a giving? Well, it's a Friday morning 8 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.840 taping of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour, which means it's 9 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:39.560 a little too early to have any whiskey, even for me. 10 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.759 But John is with us in from Texas, Lucretia in 11 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:47.560 her bat cave in Arizona, and I am back finding 12 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.079 from Iceland and trying to get back in the swing 13 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.759 of things. And one of the things John, I'll start 14 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:55.159 with you that I did keep up catch up with 15 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.920 the last few days is the number one show worldwide 16 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:04.359 on Netflix by a lot is K Pop Demon Hunters. 17 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.079 And since it's got the South Korean K pop theme, 18 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.239 I mean not, you know, got to catch up with 19 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.480 these things? Have you seen It's It's quite the thing. 20 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:14.400 I've seen ten minutes. 21 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:16.760 I'm gonna try again. I tried to watch it. I 22 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.400 started it I couldn't take it, but I'll try again 23 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.319 for the for our loyal loyal viewers and listeners. But 24 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.519 I cannot understand how K pop and all this Demon 25 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.640 Hunter stuff, which are these themes in Korean, like it's 26 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.599 Korean kind of like adult anime, you know cartoons, has 27 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.439 become a global phenomenon, and even people in the United 28 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:41.439 States like this. It's it's just like this weird sort 29 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:46.439 of combination of pop music and then sort of fantasy 30 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:50.719 because it involves demons and hunting them, and the Demon 31 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.599 Hunters themselves are a K pop band. It's just so 32 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:56.480 weird that people love this stuff. 33 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:58.359 Yeah, I mean, that's so you know. One of the 34 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:01.079 early scenes is these three the young ladies who were 35 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.560 the pop stars, putting on their makeup, but between say, 36 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.000 doing the mascara on one eye, left eye and then 37 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.599 the right eye, they do some you know, karate kicks 38 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.840 and kill some demons who are a Slant's say, I 39 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.400 don't know, you know, I do remember you may remember this. 40 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.360 I have to ask before we go on. Are they 41 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.599 I mean, it is the idea that the real sort 42 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.240 of evil demons, like the kind Jesus would kick out 43 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.120 of people Okay, so I do after you're done, I 44 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:27.960 have a comment about that, Steve. 45 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.960 Well, okay, I mean, oh, I maybe heading the same 46 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:34.919 direction as you. I remember fifteen years ago now, somebody 47 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.919 put out a campy movie, I mean, a live action 48 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.080 movie that was if I recall, I didn't see it, 49 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:41.360 Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. 50 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:45.960 I thought this was amusing, that was kind of funny 51 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.039 because it's so ludicrous. I mean, it was totally ludicrous. 52 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.280 Well, I wanted to do, you know, Winston Churchill Nazi Hunter, 53 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.479 except that was too literal. I think the Weekly Standard 54 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.719 at a parody of you know, Harry Truman Nazi Hunter 55 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.560 something like that. But the point is is that I think, 56 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:01.400 I don't think I'll have time for this, but I'll 57 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.199 bet I could work out a Ken Musougi style interpretation 58 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:09.120 of how this is either Western Straussianism or Eastern Straussianism 59 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:11.240 and who the demons are. I'll bet I could. I'll 60 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.639 bet I could do that if I really try. But now, Lucretia, 61 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.039 I think, you know, South Korea is this Protestant Christian culture. 62 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.479 I think that's accurate, and I don't know where were 63 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:22.159 you going to go with that. 64 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.599 It is the most religious of the Asian most Christian 65 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.280 of the religion of the Asian countries. 66 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:28.520 Of that right, I was going. 67 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.479 To go a little bit, a little bit deeper maybe 68 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.319 on that. And one of the things that I have 69 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:38.599 been that I have been impressed by on social media 70 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.439 and even to some extent in the kind of larger 71 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.120 opinion world. You know, so many places you can go 72 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.759 to read things now, is that there seems to be 73 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:53.719 this call it a revival, and the revival religious revival 74 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.879 has sort of two sides to it. One is this 75 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.560 what you know, sort of turning towards God, going back 76 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:05.599 to church. One of the most viral things that came 77 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:10.120 on X was this young guy, kind of goofy looking, 78 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.919 I'll be honest with you, who put on a really sorry, 79 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:18.480 cheap looking, ill fitting suit and a tie and said, 80 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.360 I've never owned a suit before. I'm taking my family 81 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:25.600 to church and you see that. I see that all 82 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.160 over my feet on X, which is quite heartwarming. But 83 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.120 on the other side of it, which is what makes 84 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:38.959 me think of your show, I'm gonna call it your show, John, Okay, 85 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.000 fair enough, but I don't have Netflix. But the idea 86 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.079 I've seen this kind of a sentiment expressed over and over, 87 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.720 which is I don't know yet if I can fully 88 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.439 say that I believe in God, but I know that 89 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.040 evil exists, and it's becoming more and more real, and 90 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:01.839 so I am on my journey to figure out where 91 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.680 God is. I'm putting a lot of words in people's 92 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:07.639 mouths that aren't quite there, but that's the sentiment, and 93 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.240 I'm just wondering if it's not just Charlie Kirk. You know, 94 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.319 we began to see some of this evil manifesting itself 95 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.279 in a lot of ways. If you look at the 96 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:23.879 if you look at the background of the person who 97 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:28.680 killed those children at the Catholic school, shot the others, 98 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:31.800 it's this satanic cult group. I'm not going to go 99 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:33.519 into the details. I don't even want to give it 100 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:36.759 any kind of credence, But more and more people are 101 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:40.959 seeing a division between and you know the famous line 102 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:45.160 from The Usual Suspects, the Devil's greatest trick was to 103 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.720 convince the world that he doesn't exist. And I think 104 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:51.920 that maybe this is an evidence of some kind of 105 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:55.600 I guess, I don't know what other word to call it, 106 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.920 religious revival in this secular world where more and more 107 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.600 people are saying there has to be something more here, 108 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.120 because what's happening with the young left is that the 109 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:10.000 nihilism that they're being presented with is causing them to 110 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:15.240 take these awful sorts of influences and internalize them. And 111 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.959 you know, whether it's transgenderism, defurreism and whatever. Anyway, that's 112 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.560 my deeper thought on it, Steve, And again, I wish 113 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.879 I could just sort of take the time to pull 114 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:30.279 together all of the different postings and even articles that 115 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.439 I see that. I mean, there was a big article 116 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:36.240 today about Charlie Kirk that we should all honor Charlie 117 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:43.399 Kirk by respecting the Sabbath. Respecting the Sabbath. 118 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:48.480 And you know, right, yeah, you know that story, right, Okay. 119 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.879 Yes, and what he does. But but it was an 120 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:52.959 interesting article because it said, you know, this is from 121 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.120 a religious point of view, a very important thing to do, 122 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.480 but just from the point of view of of living 123 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.000 in the modern world and not letting yourself being taked 124 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.959 and over even by the technology demons. Put your phone 125 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.959 in the drawer for twenty four hours, read a book, 126 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.160 spend time with your family, go outside and walk. You know, 127 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.319 it was very interesting to see these kinds of things 128 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:12.199 showing up. 129 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:14.959 So let's try into it this way. I am actually 130 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.360 working on an article that will probably drive you a 131 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.240 little crazy, the cretie. We'll see. It's not quite the 132 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.680 analogy man stuff. But I've started. Actually I'm going to 133 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.759 send this into Richard rynhild Civitas, and I am working 134 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.639 from a single sentence from Max Weber's Politics as a 135 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.600 Vocation where he says, this is the theorist of bureaucracy, right. 136 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.480 He says, the world is governed by demons, and he 137 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.879 who lets himself in for politics, for power and force 138 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:45.480 as means contracts with diabolical powers. And there's more from that, 139 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:47.759 but I'm going to play that out. I'm only halfway 140 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.439 done with it, and but yeah, that's my parallel thought 141 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.319 and all that. But let's use that to get started 142 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.319 on all this. And I think we've got to take 143 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:00.000 up and discuss some of the you might say constitutional angles, 144 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.800 some of the free speech and hate speech and the 145 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.600 FCC and getting Jimmy Kimmel kicked off in order and 146 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.079 connect that to a larger team. I think, but's work 147 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:12.639 into it this way and maybe reverse chronology. So a 148 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:16.839 big memorial service on Sunday. They're expecting an overflow crowd. 149 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:18.600 Bro thousands of people are going to have to watch 150 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.079 from an indoor arena on a big screen. It's going 151 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.000 to be live streamed, and I bet it's going to 152 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:27.480 have an enormous audience. I was starting to get worried 153 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:29.360 a few days ago, and I'm in the last thirty 154 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.919 six hours. I've had other people worry about this, that 155 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.279 there might be a risk that this turns into a 156 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:42.080 conservative version of the Wellstone Memorial service in Minnesota in 157 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:43.320 two thousand and two. I don't know if either of 158 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.039 you remember that really, right, Yeah? I mean for listeners 159 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.720 who don't understand that, it's, you know, Paul Wellstone dies 160 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.399 in a plane crash Walter Mondale. Howly was this a 161 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.919 week to go before the election or two weeks Walter 162 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.200 Mondale came out of retirement to take his place on 163 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:01.120 the ticket and lost to Norm Coleman and then later 164 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.559 had the steats stolen from him in two thousand and eight. 165 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.519 But leave that for another day. The point is is 166 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:11.480 that the Welston Memorial turned into a offensive partisan Democratic 167 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.840 Party rally, even though you had prominent Republicans in the audience. 168 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.240 Like fret Lott was there. Some of them walked out. 169 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.559 It was so grotesque. And so the worry is with 170 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.799 all the intense passions around Kirk and a lot of 171 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.320 people coming, you know, President, Vice President Tucker Carlson, others that. 172 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:29.159 Way by I don't know. 173 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.240 No, I conservatives don't make the same mistake Democrats did. 174 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.480 That's the question I'm asking Lucretia. I think there's a 175 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.679 reason they won't, but I don't think that's an unreasonable 176 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.200 question to ask. I think there is a risk of that. 177 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.080 John, I'll let you go first. You're a reasonable Republican. 178 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.919 I don't think that's going to happen. It could, I suppose, 179 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:55.279 but I wouldn't worry about it. On the other hand, 180 00:09:55.840 --> 00:10:00.799 I think Kirk and his life stood for certain values. Yeah, 181 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.240 I wouldn't think it would be wrong for people to 182 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:08.159 defend freedom of speech and what Charlie stood for, and 183 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.799 the fact that he was killed for exercising his speech, 184 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:16.919 and because he had very strong values, Christian values. So 185 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.759 I don't think it has to be a Republican party 186 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:23.759 or it needs to become a Republican party rally. 187 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:25.679 But I don't talk down. 188 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.639 With it being a rally for freedom of speech, and 189 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.200 you know the traditional social values he believed in. 190 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.720 Well, I think the reason I think it may be 191 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:39.240 a triumph is what's already mentioned his religious faith. But 192 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.720 I don't know. You know, the things I don't know, 193 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:43.639 things can spell out control. Well, the other thing I 194 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:47.360 do worry about is provocateurs. We're going to be letting 195 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.879 sixty five thousand people in. We know that some Antifa 196 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.759 people showed up on January sixth and wore Maga style 197 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:57.320 clothing to partly, you know, be insiders of things, and 198 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:57.879 so I don't know. 199 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.399 So first of all, you do have to register. You don't, Okay, 200 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.240 I'm guessing you can show up no matter what I did. 201 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:07.759 I am not going to make it up there. It's 202 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.879 about a three hour drive and h and you need 203 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.320 to be there probably the night before and camp out 204 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.840 to get in even with registering, but they're supposed I 205 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.039 think the big deal about registering is they give you 206 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:26.440 the instructions the night before if you've registered, So they're 207 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.399 they're trying, they are trying to control. I'm more worried 208 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:31.559 about violence, if you want to know the truth. Because 209 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:36.519 Victor Davis Hansen had a wonderful piece this morning about 210 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.360 pretty much all the gas lighting that those people. This 211 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.600 is not who I'm not talking about the people you 212 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:45.879 were talking about. That's why I asked why or who's 213 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.879 worrying but all of the left, who's trying very hard 214 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.679 to make it seem like Republicans will react to the 215 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.320 murder of Charlie Kirk the same way that the left 216 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:00.519 reacted to the murder of George Floyd. And then you know, 217 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.639 as as Victor is wont to do, lays out very 218 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:09.039 carefully the differences between the two. But I don't think that. 219 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:13.799 I don't think that what you're worried about is going 220 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:15.840 to happen. I am worried about violence, and I know 221 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.120 that my good friend of mine, who is a DHI detective, 222 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.360 it will actually they'll be flying F sixteens over the 223 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.519 over the event. And you know he's he called up 224 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.679 the other night and said, you cannot imagine what the 225 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:36.919 the uh preparations are the security preparations are for this 226 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.200 kind of event that was only really put together, what 227 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.840 a less than a week ago. It'll be maybe eight 228 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.799 days worth. The other thing I want to mention this 229 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.759 is came to me from one of our very very 230 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:53.240 loyal listeners, Michael Mike Lee, who asks us if we 231 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:56.840 think this is how he put the question, if we 232 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.799 think that Trump will sort of set his ego aside 233 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.960 a little bit and let jd Vance take the day. 234 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.159 Oh you know I didn't. 235 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:09.639 Is it where he thought I was going husty? 236 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:10.080 No? 237 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:13.279 No, well, I thought I'm taking a similar question, which is, 238 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.600 it will be very interesting to see what Trump's speech 239 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:19.120 is like, and you know this will be an interesting 240 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:19.759 moment for him. 241 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.639 And did you say it started at your comments start 242 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.120 out with well Trump set his ego aside? 243 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:26.159 Yeah, I know. 244 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.200 Well, why do you even ask who comes after that? 245 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.039 Clauset a sentence going to happen? 246 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:34.720 Surprise us? 247 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.120 Yeah, he might. And not only that, but you know, 248 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.759 remember at the beginning of this this year, it's hard 249 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:43.519 to believe it's only been a year. Trump was very 250 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:47.480 hesitant to give too much credence to the idea that 251 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:53.279 Jade Vance would be his his logical successor, and he 252 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:57.279 certainly wasn't endorsing jd Vance to be his logical successor 253 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:59.840 early on. That makes sense to me, and I didn't 254 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.759 consider that necessarily evidence of his ego so much as 255 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.879 you know, the moment you do that, you really are 256 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:09.519 lame duck, right, you really are lame duck president. But 257 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.679 he has been much more supportive. My point is this, 258 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.639 if jd Vance is the person responsible for Trump getting elected, 259 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.440 jd Vance is also excuse me not jd Vance. Try 260 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:27.279 Kirk is responsible in many ways. He's also responsible for 261 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.919 kind of helping jd Vance to become, you know, more 262 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.440 of a personage in the MAGA movement. This is the 263 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:40.519 opportunity to let jd Vance shine. Will Trump do it? 264 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:44.120 That's what I was getting at, because his legacy matters, 265 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:46.120 not just for the end of this four years, but 266 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.679 who takes the mantle for MAGA after he can running 267 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:50.080 awa Well. 268 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:53.039 Part of the context of that comment about Vance and 269 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.639 the successor was I think if thing what I'm thinking of. 270 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:59.159 He mentioned that Rubio, who was performing very well, continues 271 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:01.879 to perform very well, makes a pretty credible success or two. 272 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:06.159 So I don't know that, maybe just sort of political diplomacy. 273 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:09.679 One O one, one last observation and we'll get out. 274 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.960 There is one other speaker I think is a reason 275 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:14.679 to wonder how it's going to play out, and that's 276 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:17.759 Tucker Carlson, right, is he going to want to bring 277 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:22.519 up his Israel stuff? I sure hope not. But you know, right, 278 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.519 it's that's he's the real wild card in the in 279 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.039 the UH, all the people on the roster, I think, right, 280 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.519 because he's uncontrollable and he probably himself doesn't know what 281 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.080 he's gonna say because he he's even worse than Trump 282 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.840 and you know, sometimes going off and free associating. I've 283 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:40.039 seen him. You have to I think in live settings. Okay, 284 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.600 all right, well we'll keep that and you know, we'll 285 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.559 see what happens and maybe analyze it later. Let's do 286 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.000 a couple of the UH controversies of the week. There's 287 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.559 one question. Well, a lot of discussions about, you know, 288 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.200 Pam Bondi, about hate speech, about Brendan Karr at the 289 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.000 FCC and the Jimmy Kimball firing. But there's one question, 290 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.759 and I haven't heard asks. But so first of all, 291 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.480 for listeners, I'm sure most know what has happened is 292 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:07.519 first Pam Bondi said we're going to crack down and 293 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.240 hate speech, which is what the left said, and she'd 294 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.600 try to correct herself, but still it was not It 295 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.120 was an unforced error, and then Brendan Karr at the 296 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:19.519 FCC saying, hey, you know you, Jimmy Kimmel is irresponsible. 297 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.759 We have a mandate for about content, and personally I 298 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.480 think the FCC should just be abolished. And you know, 299 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.519 there's all that, but then the broader we can tell 300 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.559 you guys want to talk about anything about those particular 301 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.840 aspects of the story. The third part of this comes 302 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.919 is there's an awful lot of people being fired for 303 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.480 their grotest expressions of support for what happened to Kirk. 304 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.240 And although everyone has a right to free speech, they 305 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:51.240 don't necessarily have a right to their job, except maybe 306 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.799 in the case of people employed by government entities, which 307 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:58.200 would include public schools, public universities, which are always have 308 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:00.840 always been held to a higher legal stand for protection 309 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.519 of First Amendment rights. That question I have not heard 310 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.880 brought up, or if it has, I haven't I missed 311 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.640 it somehow. But you know, what do we think of 312 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:14.319 school teachers and other people work for public and government 313 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:19.880 institutions who are getting fired for their out of job comments. 314 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.000 In most cases, I mean, if someone says in the classroom, 315 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:27.039 I think you're entirely, entirely justified in showing them the door, 316 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.599 But for people to make a social media post and 317 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.640 other kinds of things, I think that's less clear. John. 318 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.680 So there's a lot of questions here that you raised, Steed, 319 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.279 I would like to address first the Jimmy Kimmel controversy 320 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.680 and the SEC. So, if I had my preference, the 321 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.759 Supreme Court would have struck down long ago the idea 322 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:53.920 that the FCC and use its statutory authority to grant 323 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:58.799 licenses to broadcasters quote unquote, in the public interest to 324 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:02.880 police the content of the speech going on those channels. 325 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.680 Maybe that made sense when the only television we received 326 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.960 was three channels and broadcast airways, although I'm not even 327 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.559 sure it was justified then. And there was something called 328 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.519 the fairness doctrine, and you might remember this case called 329 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:21.160 Red Lion Broadcasting versus FCC, which the basic argument was 330 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.839 because the broadcast spectrum is limited, therefore the government has 331 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.160 the right to allocate it because it's a scarce resource, 332 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:29.480 and has the right to do it in the public interest, 333 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:32.000 and that allowed it. For example, I don't know you 334 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.279 guys remember this. I remember like on TV shows there 335 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.559 would be like the local news would have an editor 336 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.480 like a person would come on and give like an 337 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:40.400 editorial view at the end of the show, and then 338 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.240 the next week, some like Bozo who disagreed with them 339 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.839 was allowed to have free time on the on the 340 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:47.000 private air channels. 341 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:48.799 I thought, what the hell, what the hell is this? 342 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.799 So but that makes no sense today when I'm sure 343 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.519 barely anyone gets three channels over the airwaves. We all 344 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.200 watch even our local TV probably on cable or through 345 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.400 the internet. Now and once you have abundant, unlimited number 346 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.440 of broadcast channels, I mean just channels because of new technology, 347 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.160 the idea that the FCC should be policing speech has 348 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.160 absolutely no justification. I So that's one I just don't 349 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.759 think the FCC should be. Second, there is an argument 350 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:23.319 about whether what car did was truly coercive or just complaining. 351 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.079 So my conservative friend should look at the Murphy case 352 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:29.920 from the Supreme Court case from a few terms go, 353 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.839 which we talked about on the podcast, where the Biden 354 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:40.160 White House right pressured Facebook and YouTube Twitter to deep platforms. 355 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:42.000 Some of the people we know in friends who are 356 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.759 criticizing the COVID lockdowns, and the court said that if 357 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.960 the government had actually coerced the social media platforms. That 358 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:53.359 could be a First Amendment violation, but it's just like 359 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:57.480 Teddy Roosevelt complaining from the bully pulpit and attacking corporations. 360 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:01.039 That's not actually a First Amenent violation, as private companies 361 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.759 can do what they want with speech. So that's the 362 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:05.839 other question I think is raised by the Jimmy Kimmel 363 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.880 thing is is what Brendan Carr said on these podcasts, 364 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:13.279 is that really coercive? Is that really tantamount to what 365 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:17.319 I thought was going on with COVID, where I think 366 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:21.160 the Biden White House was coercing the social media platforms, 367 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:22.880 But if you look at what they did, they were 368 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.400 like identifying posts, identifying statements, going to the social media 369 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:28.519 and saying you ought to take this down and so 370 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:29.680 on and so forth, with. 371 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:30.960 Real threats behind it. 372 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:31.440 Yeah. 373 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:33.680 Yeah, like they were like yeah, and so I wonder, 374 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:35.519 you know, Brendan Carr saying we can do this the 375 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.599 easy way are the hard way? And you know some 376 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.119 of the local ABC affiliates have merger business before the FCC. 377 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.359 Is that really a coersive threat? It's not a threat 378 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.200 on a part with what happened during COVID, I think, 379 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.079 But is it some kind of coursive that that's the 380 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.039 I think? And then I let's let's pause after we 381 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.920 talked about this and talk about the private employer issue too, 382 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:00.599 because I think generally private employers can fire whoever they right. 383 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:05.160 There's no obligation for a private property owner to have employees. 384 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.519 It comes from the this famous Supreme Court case about 385 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.920 newspapers or they said, newspaper owner doesn't have to allow 386 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.200 people to, you know, write in its off at pages 387 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.559 if it doesn't want to because disagree, And the court said, 388 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.480 it's just like if you own private property, no one 389 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.799 can force you to put a campaign right campaign sign 390 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:24.400 on your on your law. 391 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:25.240 That you disagree with. 392 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.440 So I don't see you have a problem with Microsoft 393 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.599 buiring people who want to say I want to protest 394 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.920 the gods of war while you know they don't have 395 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:36.960 to work at Microsoft. But whether government employees can is 396 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:39.119 a wholly different question than what. 397 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.359 All right, Well, let's hold that question. Lucretia. Do you 398 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:43.599 you want to weigh in on Kim, on the FCC 399 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.079 and all the rest of this or do you care? 400 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:47.799 No, I don't. I don't disagree with anything John said. 401 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:50.559