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Speaker 1: Roswell Report Case, Closed by James mc andrew. Appendix C,
Speaker 1: Part one Interviews. Appendix C Transcript of interview with Gerald Anderson,
Speaker 1: alleged first hand witness to crash site two, allegedly one
Speaker 1: hundred seventy five miles northwest of Roswell. Footnote excerpted from
Speaker 1: raw footage us to prepare the video Recollections of Roswell
Speaker 1: Part two, Washington, d C. Fun for UFO Research, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three and of footnote Anderson, We drove down to
Speaker 1: the plains of San Augustine, which is west of Scoro,
Speaker 1: New Mexico, in the Magdalena Daddle area. We were down
Speaker 1: there looking for bandit and moss agate, which, according to
Speaker 1: my uncle Ted and my cousin Victor, was prevalent in
Speaker 1: the area. My brother, being an amateur rockhound, had wanted
Speaker 1: to get some of this. That was a way of
Speaker 1: showing us around the area. They had relatives down in
Speaker 1: Magdalena that they wanted to introduce us to. So we
Speaker 1: had gone down there, and we got down in the
Speaker 1: Horse Springs area and had driven off into the plains
Speaker 1: down an old rutted road for oh a mile or so,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like a long ways. We parked the car,
Speaker 1: got out of the car and walked down a hillside.
Speaker 1: There's a semi forest, I guess you could say it
Speaker 1: had pinin trees and scrub oak and stuff like that
Speaker 1: on it, and we walked, well, not scrub oat, but cedar,
Speaker 1: and walked down the hillside into an arroyo, a dry wash,
Speaker 1: and then walked south down a dry wash toward where
Speaker 1: the agates were supposed to be at. As we came
Speaker 1: around a bend in the arroyo that had pinnin and
Speaker 1: cedar trees growing, we were able to see farther ahead
Speaker 1: down the arroyo and on the next ridge line there
Speaker 1: was a large silver disc shaped object was embedded in
Speaker 1: this side of the ridge line. There was debris and
Speaker 1: wreckage strewn about the area. Mainly this thing was intact.
Speaker 1: I would estimate its size from an adult perspective to
Speaker 1: something like thirty five feet in diameter.
Speaker 2: I've heard other people who were there say they.
Speaker 1: Thought it was like fifty feet, but as an adult,
Speaker 1: I would say about thirty five feet in diameter.
Speaker 2: Quite large.
Speaker 1: When we got up to it, there were four bodies there,
Speaker 1: not human. There was two of them that were obviously dead.
Speaker 1: One of them was obviously very badly injured, and one
Speaker 1: of them apparently suffered no effects or it didn't appear
Speaker 1: to be injured and was ambulatory, was mobile. It was
Speaker 1: just sitting there next to the One question, were they
Speaker 1: right next to the vehicle Anderson right next to it,
Speaker 1: right under the edge of it. And this craft had
Speaker 1: apparently come in from the east and bounced off one
Speaker 1: ridge line, plowing through this arroyo area, and then crashed
Speaker 1: into the ridge line and embedded itself. They were sitting
Speaker 1: back under the edge. It was kind of tilted up
Speaker 1: like this, and they were sitting back under the edge here.
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that this one creature that was all
Speaker 1: right had laid this material on the ground, but it
Speaker 1: looked like unrolled tinfoil that these other three creatures were
Speaker 1: laying on like it was trying like you do a
Speaker 1: person in shock, you know, put him on a blanket,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and apparently it had some boxes
Speaker 1: there around it and had apparently been trying to give
Speaker 1: first aid or help these other creatures when we first
Speaker 1: got there. As we approached, the creature drew back like this,
Speaker 1: like it was in fear, like we were going to
Speaker 1: hurt it. And it wasn't very long, you know, we
Speaker 1: were trying to communicate with it.
Speaker 2: The adults were it.
Speaker 1: Seemed to calm down and just sat there and kind
Speaker 1: of looked back and forth watching them, apparently trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what was going on. Question what did it
Speaker 1: look like a little bit more. These creatures, all of them,
Speaker 1: were about four foot tall four and a half feet tall.
Speaker 1: They had very large heads that were shaped larger on
Speaker 1: the top and they kind of tapered down, not to
Speaker 1: a real sharp point, but just tapered down where they
Speaker 1: were thin. And they had very large, very large oval
Speaker 1: shaped or almond shaped, I guess you could say, black eyes.
Speaker 2: The head.
Speaker 1: They were so shiny, they had almost a bluish tint
Speaker 1: to them when the light reflected off of them.
Speaker 2: Their skin coloration.
Speaker 1: The best way that I could describe that is it
Speaker 1: was kind of a bluish tinted milky white. It looked
Speaker 1: like someone in shock. And the ones that were laying
Speaker 1: on the ground were really really looked more that way,
Speaker 1: more blue in the light, you know. Question how about ears, nose, mouth, Andersen. No,
Speaker 1: there were no visible ears on the creatures, except like
Speaker 1: if you was just to cover your ear like this
Speaker 1: to where there was just a rise there and then
Speaker 1: a hole without you know, your ear lobe and the
Speaker 1: rest of the area. Question how about nose Anderson? It
Speaker 1: was the nose was very, very small, almost imperceptible. It's
Speaker 1: like two holes straight in and the lips were just
Speaker 1: a straight line. It was like a cut and you
Speaker 1: couldn't see just the lips like we have. It was
Speaker 1: just a slit. And question what hair color?
Speaker 2: Sound? Anderson?
Speaker 1: Pardon, question what hair color?
Speaker 2: Anderson?
Speaker 1: There was no hair. They were completely bald. Question and
Speaker 1: no sounds Anderson. I never heard a sound one, not
Speaker 1: out of any of the creatures, including the one that
Speaker 1: was question did you see fingers?
Speaker 2: Anderson?
Speaker 1: Yes, they had fingers like this. They didn't have a
Speaker 1: little finger. They just had the thumb and three extra digits,
Speaker 1: except the center digit was long and the other two
Speaker 1: were about the same size. They were very long and
Speaker 1: slender and looked very delicate. And I made the statement
Speaker 1: before and I'll make it again. I think he would
Speaker 1: have made an excellent violinist because of the structure of
Speaker 1: their hands. They were wearing one piece suits. All of
Speaker 1: them were dressed exactly the same. It was sort of
Speaker 1: a real shiny silverish gray color. Question no zippers buttons Andersen, No,
Speaker 1: I saw no zippers, no buttons. Question Insignias Anderson No, No,
Speaker 1: Insignia's the only thing that was different, you know, And
Speaker 1: they all had this. But the only thing that was
Speaker 1: different from the silvery gray thing the suit was that
Speaker 1: down like a seam line, like there was a seam
Speaker 1: on his shoulder and around the collar. It was trimmed
Speaker 1: in what appeared to be maroon like courting. Then the
Speaker 1: suits were continuous with their footwear. We could see write
Speaker 1: this area down. It seemed to be less pliable than
Speaker 1: it was up here, like this was a stiffer area,
Speaker 1: like they were boots or shoes or something. But they
Speaker 1: were all dressed exactly the same. Question. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: and your family are talking back and forth wondering what
Speaker 1: was going on. What did your family say, I mean, Anderson. Well,
Speaker 1: question did they say anything? Anderson, Yes, my brother. One
Speaker 1: of his first remarks I heard him say, that's a
Speaker 1: goddamn spaceship. You know, there were bodies up there, and
Speaker 1: you know I was told not to go up there,
Speaker 1: which I didn't. And question, how old was your brother
Speaker 1: at the time. Anderson, He was in his early twenties.
Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty one something like that. Question he
Speaker 1: was a lot older than you were. Anderson, Oh, yes, considerably.
Speaker 1: When we got up there, I kind of meandered off
Speaker 1: to one side. This thing was cocked up, and I
Speaker 1: was standing here. The bodies were here, and everybody else
Speaker 1: was kind of down here except my cousin Victor was
Speaker 1: over here playing and looking in this gaping hole on
Speaker 1: the side of this disc and it was shaped just
Speaker 1: like a discus, except for a round dome was up
Speaker 1: on top, and there was this big gaping gash in there.
Speaker 1: We could see inside, and it looked like a double hole.
Speaker 1: Question how big? Explain it the gash Anderson the dome. Question, No,
Speaker 1: the gash, Anderson, Well, it covered the greater majority from
Speaker 1: the center of the craft out. It was just like
Speaker 1: a gaping hole in there. I mean, I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like about thirty two thirty five feet in diameter,
Speaker 1: so we're talking about seventeen feet maybe most of that
Speaker 1: one side was ripped open like that you could see inside,
Speaker 1: and you could see another double hole like in there,
Speaker 1: and there were just rows of components that was on there,
Speaker 1: and there were lights that flashed on and off. Some
Speaker 1: of them were stay and some were flashing. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of debris and stuff hanging out of the hole.
Speaker 1: There was evidence that there apparently had been fire. It
Speaker 1: looked like it had been burned along the edge there.
Speaker 1: The gash question, Now, this wasn't a gash that could
Speaker 1: have been caused by the thing coming in for the ground.
Speaker 1: It wasn't at the leading edge of the vehicle.
Speaker 2: Anderson, No, No, this.
Speaker 1: Was in the side like it almost appeared it was elliptical.
Speaker 1: It almost appeared as if something the same shape as
Speaker 1: the disc we were looking at had hit that same
Speaker 1: you know, like it hit the disc and left an
Speaker 1: imprint that pretty closely approximated the outside diameter of the
Speaker 1: disc itself, and it appeared to be carved in, looking
Speaker 1: kind of like it hit them like this, and it
Speaker 1: just crumpled and carved in and ripped it open. Question, Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're there, you take all this in. Everybody is mystified.
Speaker 1: What were the circumstances outside? Hot cold? Andersen, very very hot?
Speaker 1: Incredible to me, being the first time in New Mexico
Speaker 1: and coming from back east, I had dry heaves. It
Speaker 1: was like the inside of an oven. It was unbelievable
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The odd part about this was that the closer you
Speaker 1: got to it, the cooler it was. And standing under
Speaker 1: it in the shade there next to these creatures bodies,
Speaker 1: it was like refrigerated air conditioning. And question, did you
Speaker 1: feel air coming out of this thing? Anderson, No, it
Speaker 1: was just like it was. And I remember reaching up
Speaker 1: and putting my hand on the side of it, but
Speaker 1: I think I was afraid I was going to hit
Speaker 1: my head because there was enough room for me as
Speaker 1: small child, you know, I was approximately the same size
Speaker 1: as these creatures to walk up under there and stand there.
Speaker 1: But I kind of did, like that, put my hand
Speaker 1: up against this thing. Question what did it feel like, Andersen?
Speaker 2: It was ice cold.
Speaker 1: It felt like it just came out of a freezer.
Speaker 1: Question was it smooth? Was it rough Anderson. It was
Speaker 1: very smooth. It had a very smooth texture to it.
Speaker 1: It was obviously made out of metal. It was very solid,
Speaker 1: and it was very cold, ice cold, and.
Speaker 2: There was a smell in the area.
Speaker 1: It smelled volatile acrid, like acetone, and that seemed to
Speaker 1: be coming out of that gash, that smell. But the
Speaker 1: closer you got to this thing, the cooler it was, so,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of remained there, and I guess
Speaker 1: that while they were over here, my father and my
Speaker 1: uncle Ted and my brother, Uncle Ted was trying to
Speaker 1: talk to this thing in Spanish, and of course it
Speaker 1: didn't understand a word he said. And Dad tried to
Speaker 1: talk to it, and then they tried, you know, sign language,
Speaker 1: and that didn't work. And I don't know, for some reason,
Speaker 1: I just I reached down and touched it, this one
Speaker 1: that was laying next to me. When I touched, I
Speaker 1: realized and I jumped back. It scared me. It startled
Speaker 1: me because I suddenly realized that these weren't dolls. I
Speaker 1: thought they were plastic dolls, and I, you know, it
Speaker 1: was still in my mind that these were dolls until
Speaker 1: I touched it, and then I realized, you know, this
Speaker 1: was a dead thing. I'd seen dead relatives before and
Speaker 1: unfortunately made a mistake one time in touching a relative
Speaker 1: that was in a casket, and I just knew this
Speaker 1: was a dead thing, and it scared me. And I
Speaker 1: ran around behind my father and my uncle and this
Speaker 1: thing was sitting there on the ground and it kept
Speaker 1: looking back and forth, and it just had its hands
Speaker 1: like this and its lap and just kept looking back
Speaker 1: and forth between the three of them, and like it
Speaker 1: was trying to understand. And all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: just turned and looked right straight at me, between my
Speaker 1: uncle Ted and myself. And this is when it was
Speaker 1: just like an explosion of things in my head. Things
Speaker 1: I started, you know, feeling just terrible depression and loneliness
Speaker 1: and fear and just you know, awful, awful feelings that
Speaker 1: just suddenly burst into my mind there. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that meant that it was communicating with me, and
Speaker 1: I was the only one there that it could communicate
Speaker 1: with because I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I turned and ran, and I ran across the arroyo
Speaker 1: and up on the area that it had bounced off
Speaker 1: of during the crash. I was just standing there looking
Speaker 1: down at this scene, you know, at my family, and
Speaker 1: off in the distance, I could see cattle grazing. I
Speaker 1: could see a windmill, and could see dust trails out
Speaker 1: on the planes out there. And oh, I was there
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I came back down.
Speaker 2: I guess we were there. Victor was.
Speaker 1: When I got back down there, Victor was up in
Speaker 1: the craft and Ted yelled at him to get out
Speaker 1: of there, and Glenn went over and grabbed him by
Speaker 1: the belt and jerked him around. Question, that's your brother Anderson, yes,
Speaker 1: and jerked him off, says, get out because this thing
Speaker 1: may explore and kill us all, you know. And then
Speaker 1: of course he went prowling around in there. I was
Speaker 1: kind of standing off to one side looking. That's why
Speaker 1: I knew that there was. I can look off these
Speaker 1: rocks that I was standing on and look right into
Speaker 1: this thing. That's why I knew, you know, about the
Speaker 1: lights and the components and stuff. And then I heard
Speaker 1: other people talking. I turned and there was a group
Speaker 1: of people coming up the arroyo from out on the
Speaker 1: planes from the south. They had come up there, and
Speaker 1: of course they walked up and was talking, question how
Speaker 1: many Anderson. There was an older man and five younger students.
Speaker 1: Question boys girls, Anderson, three boys and two girls. And
Speaker 1: they were all, you know, introducing, talking to my father
Speaker 1: and my uncle and my brother.
Speaker 2: Question what did the older one look like? Anderson?
Speaker 1: He was a very tall man, a very big man.
Speaker 1: He was wearing a pith helmet when he first came up,
Speaker 1: one of those kind of explorer helmets. And he was
Speaker 1: bald and I know that because he had taken it
Speaker 1: off and he had you know, wiped it with a
Speaker 1: handkerchief and put it back on. He was a balding man,
Speaker 1: and he had a round face. He was very ready complected,
Speaker 1: a big man. And he apparently was a doctor, because
Speaker 1: they kept calling him doctor. And it was my understanding
Speaker 1: that it was an archaeological group that was out there
Speaker 1: on some kind of summer thing. And they talked, and
Speaker 1: he apparently was able to speak several foreign languages, and
Speaker 1: he tried to talk to this creature several times in
Speaker 1: different languages. Again to no avail, question, how did they
Speaker 1: happen to be there? Had he seen the thing? Anderson? Well,
Speaker 1: they claimed.
Speaker 2: That they saw.
Speaker 1: They said they saw this thing come down the night
Speaker 1: before in flight, you know, and they thought it was
Speaker 1: a meteorite, and they had talked about, well, early in
Speaker 1: the morning, you know, we'll go over and see this
Speaker 1: where this meteor came down, because that's what they thought
Speaker 1: it was. And when the sun came up the next morning,
Speaker 1: you know, and they got about their business, got up
Speaker 1: and somebody looked over and said, you know, they saw
Speaker 1: this shiny metal and stuff across the planes there, and
Speaker 1: they realized it wasn't a meteorite. It may have been
Speaker 1: an airplane that had crashed. So they all decided to
Speaker 1: go over there and see if there was anybody left alive,
Speaker 1: you know, that was hurt that needed help. Question they
Speaker 1: had driven over Anderson. No, they walked over apparently the
Speaker 1: way I understand it, And it's quite a ways across
Speaker 1: that plane, so it had to take a very long
Speaker 1: time to do this. Where they may have had a vehicle.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's an assumption I think on my part.
Speaker 1: Where they walked Question, Okay, so they're around Anderson, but
Speaker 1: they came across Question with the family Anderson the planes.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said that. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if they drove or not. I didn't hear any cars.
Speaker 1: Question and then somebody else shows up Anderson.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: They were down just oh, fifteen maybe twenty minutes tops,
Speaker 1: you know, and they were picking up things, some of
Speaker 1: the students, and then this doctor Buzzkirk that they called him.
Speaker 1: This one girl went up and said, look, doctor, wouldn't
Speaker 1: this make.
Speaker 2: A beautiful ring?
Speaker 1: And she was holding what looked like a red rod,
Speaker 1: a red tube that was some kind of silvery red.
Speaker 1: And he kind of snapped at her, you know, put
Speaker 1: that down because you don't know what that thing is.
Speaker 1: That thing could hurt you, don't pick this stuff up.
Speaker 1: And she kind of said, well, yes, okay, doctor, and
Speaker 1: then he went back to what he was doing, and
Speaker 1: she walked away and put it in her pocket. And
Speaker 1: a lot of them were doing this sort of picking
Speaker 1: up things and feeling things. I was picking up things
Speaker 1: and feeling things. It was all kinds of material and
Speaker 1: metal stuff like that. I heard it, well, we all
Speaker 1: heard it, the sound of a motor coming, like a truck.
Speaker 1: And I went back up the incline area to the
Speaker 1: ridgeline and I could see out there there was a
Speaker 1: truck coming up. It was an old pickup truck. It
Speaker 1: was sort of a beige color, a tan colored van
Speaker 1: with an antenna on it, and it stopped and this
Speaker 1: guy got out, and he's wearing brown clothes. He's got
Speaker 1: boots on, and he's wearing a straw hat, just like
Speaker 1: the kind that Harry Truman always wore, and he had
Speaker 1: wire rimmed glasses. He was a big man, and he
Speaker 1: looked exactly like Harry Truman to me, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: seen him in the movietone news question he was president then, Anderson, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was well aware of who Harry Truman was.
Speaker 2: Everybody was.
Speaker 1: He was kind of a hero, you know, and he
Speaker 1: just kind of looked like him, except bigger, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think he and he didn't look as old either.
Speaker 1: His hair was kind of light gray. And he walked
Speaker 1: over there and they got to talking, you know, with everybody,
Speaker 1: and he told them that he worked out on the
Speaker 1: planes out there and that he made maps, and that
Speaker 1: he had seen the wreckage from out there on the
Speaker 1: planes and he saw the people and he thought it
Speaker 1: was a plane wreck and you know, that something was
Speaker 1: going on, and he came over to see and he
Speaker 1: hadn't been there but just a very very few minutes
Speaker 1: when we heard all kinds of motors and engines, straining
Speaker 1: and stuff. And here comes a military car with a
Speaker 1: big white star on the side of it, followed by
Speaker 1: a six by, which is a military truck with a
Speaker 1: kind of canvas wagon, kind of a canvas thing over it,
Speaker 1: and it's full of soldiers.
Speaker 2: They've got guns.
Speaker 1: And right behind them is what we call a four by,
Speaker 1: which is like a medium sized jeep slash truck situation.
Speaker 1: And it had two big high whip antennas, all kinds
Speaker 1: of radio gear in the back, and a guy back
Speaker 1: there with earphones and stuff on, and he's, you know,
Speaker 1: working these radios. And they all pulled up and stopped. Question,
Speaker 1: which direction did they come from?
Speaker 2: Do you know? Anderson?
Speaker 1: They came from the north, from the the Horse Springs
Speaker 1: area right, question. So they could have come off the
Speaker 1: highway there. Anderson, Oh, yes, I'm sure that's exactly how
Speaker 1: they got there. They came off the highway the same
Speaker 1: way we did. Well in the meantime, when they stopped
Speaker 1: this black soldier, this sergeant. The reason I know he
Speaker 1: was a sergeant, my brother told me he was. And
Speaker 1: he got out of this car, and then a guy
Speaker 1: got out on the other side, and he was a
Speaker 1: Glenn said he was a captain. He told me later
Speaker 1: he was a captain. And this guy had orange and
Speaker 1: red hair. So all the soldiers and them came running
Speaker 1: over there, pointing guns at people, telling them, get away,
Speaker 1: get away, get away, you know. And when this creature
Speaker 1: saw these people, the military, he went nuts. He went
Speaker 1: into an absolute panic, worse than what he did when
Speaker 1: he saw us. Question did he move around or just
Speaker 1: his eyes or Anderson? He just he just questioned, oh okay.
Speaker 1: Anderson went crazy And it was like question, like he
Speaker 1: was scared. Anderson, yes, like he was looking for a
Speaker 1: place to run and hide.
Speaker 2: Question.
Speaker 1: But he never got up, Anderson, he never got up.
Speaker 1: He never left the beans that were next to him.
Speaker 1: And this redheaded officer, this guy was a real butthole.
Speaker 1: He made all the threats. He threatened to have people shot.
Speaker 1: Question everybody. Anderson, he went, get away, get away, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll shoot get away from there. This is a military secret,
Speaker 1: you know, just screaming and hollering. He told my uncle
Speaker 1: and my father that if they didn't want to spend
Speaker 1: the rest of their life in prison, they would never
Speaker 1: say anything about what they saw there. If they ever
Speaker 1: wanted to see us kids again, they'd take the kids away,
Speaker 1: they'd never see the kids, you know, meaning me and
Speaker 1: Victor that we'd better keep our mouth shut because if
Speaker 1: we did not, this is what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: They were threatening people and pushing people, question the students
Speaker 1: as well as doctor Buzzkirk Anderson. Oh yes, they were
Speaker 1: hustling everybody. And one of the soldiers pushed my uncle.
Speaker 1: He had a rifle like this, and he shoved him
Speaker 1: back like that. Well, that was something you didn't do
Speaker 1: to my uncle.
Speaker 2: Ted.
Speaker 1: Ted had a violent temper, and he grabbed the rifle
Speaker 1: and reached over top and smacked this guy and dropped
Speaker 1: him right there. And Ted would go out and fight. Heck,
Speaker 1: this guy's a cowboy.
Speaker 2: He'll hit you in a minute.
Speaker 1: And of course when he did that, there was bolts
Speaker 1: open and I guess cocking. They were cocking their rifles.
Speaker 1: They were pointing guns at people and everybody. Buzzkirk and
Speaker 1: Glenn and Dad grabbed him, you know, pulled him back
Speaker 1: and got him away. No, don't, Ted, they're going to shoot.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, you know, trying to stop this, and
Speaker 1: I think we came very close to having someone shot.
Speaker 1: Then they really started threatening, you know. And they question,
Speaker 1: did the redhead do all the talking?
Speaker 2: Pretty much?
Speaker 1: Anderson, pretty much, except once in a while the sergeant,
Speaker 1: would you know, chime in and make statements like that
Speaker 1: to other people in response to the.
Speaker 2: Redhead, But mainly it was the redhead.
Speaker 1: Question was there a name tag? Anderson, Yes, sir, there was.
Speaker 1: His name was Armstrong. And I'm not sure if I
Speaker 1: know that from having read it, or know that from
Speaker 1: remembering it and now being able to read it in
Speaker 1: my memory, or if someone said that to me. But
Speaker 1: his name was Armstrong. It was right here on his uniform.
Speaker 1: Question but he chased you guys away pretty quick? Anderson, Yes,
Speaker 1: yes he did. And they hearded us up like cattle,
Speaker 1: and we were just up the arroyo, back in the direction.
Speaker 2: We came from.
Speaker 1: Over the protest of this doctor Buzzkirk, who said, no, no,
Speaker 1: we've got to go the other way. We came from
Speaker 1: over there. I don't care where you came from. Get
Speaker 1: your ass up the arroyo. And they ran us up
Speaker 1: the arroyo. And question, so you get to your car again?
Speaker 2: Anderson? Oh, right now.
Speaker 1: They took us up the arroyo and just over the hill,
Speaker 1: we came down, they broke us off and moved us
Speaker 1: up the hill. Now, this whole time, no one has
Speaker 1: ever frisked us down. No one has ever checked our
Speaker 1: pockets to see if we picked up any of this material.
Speaker 1: And this girl, Agnes, still had that stuff in her pocket,
Speaker 1: and some of the other students had stuff. To my knowledge,
Speaker 1: up to that point, they had not been searched. Whether
Speaker 1: they did so afterward, I don't know. They never searched
Speaker 1: us ever. They ran us back up the hill. And
Speaker 1: when we got to where the car was parked, where
Speaker 1: Dad had parked the car up there there's a jeep
Speaker 1: with a guy sitting in the back, and there is
Speaker 1: a mounted machine gun in the back of this jeep
Speaker 1: and all these soldiers. The jeep pulls out. We're told
Speaker 1: to get in the car. We follow the jeep and
Speaker 1: the soldiers go with us all the way back out.
Speaker 2: To the highway.
Speaker 1: When we get back out to the highway, they set
Speaker 1: us right there. They wouldn't let us out of the car.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let.
Speaker 2: Us move forward. I don't know whether they were making
Speaker 2: a decision or what.
Speaker 1: When we got out to the highway, this place was
Speaker 1: absolutely full of military personnel, military equipment. There was airplanes
Speaker 1: sitting out there that had landed on the highway. Question,
Speaker 1: did you see any airplanes when you were back at
Speaker 1: the site. Anderson, Yes, there was airplanes in the sky,
Speaker 1: but nobody thought much about You know, I don't think
Speaker 1: anything about it. I was used to airplanes being in
Speaker 1: the sky, having been raised in Indianapolis, Indiana, the home
Speaker 1: of the Nordon bomb site. You know, the sky was
Speaker 1: always full of military aircraft at night. And when we
Speaker 1: get back onto the highway there's observation aircraft, you know,
Speaker 1: high winged aircraft, and there's one of what I know
Speaker 1: now to be a CE forty seven setting there. And
Speaker 1: how we didn't hear that land is beyond me. And
Speaker 1: how he landed, well, of course I guess you could
Speaker 1: land if you are a good pilot out there there
Speaker 1: as there were no poles or anything. And it was
Speaker 1: they had torn the fence down on the north side
Speaker 1: of the highway and all this equipment was setting back
Speaker 1: up there. The plane was up there and they were
Speaker 1: taking stuff out of the plane. There was military ambulances
Speaker 1: and there were trucks with like wreckers cranes on them,
Speaker 1: and there was tankers like maybe had fuel or water
Speaker 1: in them. There was just everywhere you looked there was
Speaker 1: military question a major recovery operation. Anderson, Yes, it looked
Speaker 1: like an invasion force.
Speaker 2: It really did.
Speaker 1: And they were all wearing these light khaki uniforms. They
Speaker 1: didn't look like you know, olive drabs.
Speaker 2: They were light khaki.
Speaker 1: And they all had the same patch over there, that
Speaker 1: kind of blue funny patch with the circles on it
Speaker 1: was on his shoulder.
Speaker 2: And a lot.
Speaker 1: Question do you have a clue as to where they
Speaker 1: came from? Did your brother or your uncle? Anderson? No,
Speaker 1: I don't know where they came came from. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody ever ascertained that. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of MP patches. And some of them were wearing night
Speaker 1: sticks off of these webbed utility belts. They had night sticks,
Speaker 1: and they had forty five's and holsters, you know, the automatics,
Speaker 1: full holsters, and these were the people that were giving
Speaker 1: most of the orders. They had the road barricaded off
Speaker 1: out there, and we sat there for a very long time,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were getting thirsty and everything, and
Speaker 1: we asked if we could go back to Horse Springs
Speaker 1: to get some water. Oh, no, no, you can't through there.
Speaker 1: And right after that they said, now you just turn
Speaker 1: around and you head out of here now and you
Speaker 1: go to SoCoRo. And this is the redhead again. Keep
Speaker 1: your mouth shut, just keep going and don't look back. Well,
Speaker 1: as we drove away, you know, dad, the hell with it.
Speaker 1: We'll go to Magdalena. We'll get watering Magdalena, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's where John Trehiel lived, a relative of Ted's.
Speaker 2: And so as we.
Speaker 1: Drove away, I was looking out the back window and
Speaker 1: I could see doctor Buzzkirk and these kids and that guy,
Speaker 1: the guy in the pickup was standing there, and this
Speaker 1: doctor Buzzkirk was doing just like this, and this redheaded
Speaker 1: officer's face and he kept pointing back behind him, and
Speaker 1: I guess that meant, you know, we've got to go
Speaker 1: back that way. And he was fed up with this
Speaker 1: guy or something, and he was shaking his finger in
Speaker 1: his face when they were yelling at each other. And
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the last I saw of the whole situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened after that, because we just
Speaker 1: kept going. End of section twelve, Recording by Aaron Bennett