WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:05.519 Section twelve of the Roswell Report Case Closed by James 2 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:10.199 mc andrew. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings 3 00:00:10.240 --> 00:00:13.800 are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, 4 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:19.320 please visit LibriVox dot org. Recording by Aaron Bennett The 5 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:24.039 Roswell Report Case, Closed by James mc andrew. Appendix C, 6 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:31.480 Part one Interviews. Appendix C Transcript of interview with Gerald Anderson, 7 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.640 alleged first hand witness to crash site two, allegedly one 8 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:40.600 hundred seventy five miles northwest of Roswell. Footnote excerpted from 9 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:44.520 raw footage us to prepare the video Recollections of Roswell 10 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:49.000 Part two, Washington, d C. Fun for UFO Research, nineteen 11 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:53.840 ninety three and of footnote Anderson, We drove down to 12 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.759 the plains of San Augustine, which is west of Scoro, 13 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.640 New Mexico, in the Magdalena Daddle area. We were down 14 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.840 there looking for bandit and moss agate, which, according to 15 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.719 my uncle Ted and my cousin Victor, was prevalent in 16 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:10.599 the area. My brother, being an amateur rockhound, had wanted 17 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.239 to get some of this. That was a way of 18 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.640 showing us around the area. They had relatives down in 19 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.280 Magdalena that they wanted to introduce us to. So we 20 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:22.519 had gone down there, and we got down in the 21 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.599 Horse Springs area and had driven off into the plains 22 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.079 down an old rutted road for oh a mile or so, 23 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.480 and it seemed like a long ways. We parked the car, 24 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.480 got out of the car and walked down a hillside. 25 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.400 There's a semi forest, I guess you could say it 26 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:43.079 had pinin trees and scrub oak and stuff like that 27 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:46.359 on it, and we walked, well, not scrub oat, but cedar, 28 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.159 and walked down the hillside into an arroyo, a dry wash, 29 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.120 and then walked south down a dry wash toward where 30 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.000 the agates were supposed to be at. As we came 31 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:58.359 around a bend in the arroyo that had pinnin and 32 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:01.319 cedar trees growing, we were able to see farther ahead 33 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.200 down the arroyo and on the next ridge line there 34 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:07.519 was a large silver disc shaped object was embedded in 35 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.280 this side of the ridge line. There was debris and 36 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.759 wreckage strewn about the area. Mainly this thing was intact. 37 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.520 I would estimate its size from an adult perspective to 38 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:19.680 something like thirty five feet in diameter. 39 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:22.800 I've heard other people who were there say they. 40 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.599 Thought it was like fifty feet, but as an adult, 41 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:28.039 I would say about thirty five feet in diameter. 42 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:29.039 Quite large. 43 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:32.199 When we got up to it, there were four bodies there, 44 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:35.840 not human. There was two of them that were obviously dead. 45 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.400 One of them was obviously very badly injured, and one 46 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.599 of them apparently suffered no effects or it didn't appear 47 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.159 to be injured and was ambulatory, was mobile. It was 48 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.800 just sitting there next to the One question, were they 49 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.639 right next to the vehicle Anderson right next to it, 50 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.280 right under the edge of it. And this craft had 51 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:59.120 apparently come in from the east and bounced off one 52 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.840 ridge line, plowing through this arroyo area, and then crashed 53 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.319 into the ridge line and embedded itself. They were sitting 54 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.840 back under the edge. It was kind of tilted up 55 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.319 like this, and they were sitting back under the edge here. 56 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:14.719 And I'm assuming that this one creature that was all 57 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.560 right had laid this material on the ground, but it 58 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.039 looked like unrolled tinfoil that these other three creatures were 59 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:24.439 laying on like it was trying like you do a 60 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.000 person in shock, you know, put him on a blanket, 61 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.360 that kind of thing, and apparently it had some boxes 62 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.800 there around it and had apparently been trying to give 63 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.599 first aid or help these other creatures when we first 64 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.520 got there. As we approached, the creature drew back like this, 65 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.080 like it was in fear, like we were going to 66 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.000 hurt it. And it wasn't very long, you know, we 67 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.680 were trying to communicate with it. 68 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:48.520 The adults were it. 69 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:50.919 Seemed to calm down and just sat there and kind 70 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.080 of looked back and forth watching them, apparently trying to 71 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.719 figure out what was going on. Question what did it 72 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:02.599 look like a little bit more. These creatures, all of them, 73 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.319 were about four foot tall four and a half feet tall. 74 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.439 They had very large heads that were shaped larger on 75 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.080 the top and they kind of tapered down, not to 76 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:14.599 a real sharp point, but just tapered down where they 77 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:19.279 were thin. And they had very large, very large oval 78 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.800 shaped or almond shaped, I guess you could say, black eyes. 79 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:24.199 The head. 80 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.360 They were so shiny, they had almost a bluish tint 81 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.360 to them when the light reflected off of them. 82 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:31.639 Their skin coloration. 83 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:34.120 The best way that I could describe that is it 84 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.000 was kind of a bluish tinted milky white. It looked 85 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.040 like someone in shock. And the ones that were laying 86 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.160 on the ground were really really looked more that way, 87 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:52.279 more blue in the light, you know. Question how about ears, nose, mouth, Andersen. No, 88 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.399 there were no visible ears on the creatures, except like 89 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.279 if you was just to cover your ear like this 90 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.079 to where there was just a rise there and then 91 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.759 a hole without you know, your ear lobe and the 92 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:09.800 rest of the area. Question how about nose Anderson? It 93 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:14.560 was the nose was very, very small, almost imperceptible. It's 94 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.560 like two holes straight in and the lips were just 95 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.399 a straight line. It was like a cut and you 96 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.279 couldn't see just the lips like we have. It was 97 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:28.079 just a slit. And question what hair color? 98 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.399 Sound? Anderson? 99 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.639 Pardon, question what hair color? 100 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:35.079 Anderson? 101 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.759 There was no hair. They were completely bald. Question and 102 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:44.480 no sounds Anderson. I never heard a sound one, not 103 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.120 out of any of the creatures, including the one that 104 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.600 was question did you see fingers? 105 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:51.920 Anderson? 106 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:55.240 Yes, they had fingers like this. They didn't have a 107 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.240 little finger. They just had the thumb and three extra digits, 108 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:01.000 except the center digit was long and the other two 109 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.480 were about the same size. They were very long and 110 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:07.319 slender and looked very delicate. And I made the statement 111 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:09.800 before and I'll make it again. I think he would 112 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.720 have made an excellent violinist because of the structure of 113 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.360 their hands. They were wearing one piece suits. All of 114 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.319 them were dressed exactly the same. It was sort of 115 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:27.199 a real shiny silverish gray color. Question no zippers buttons Andersen, No, 116 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:34.519 I saw no zippers, no buttons. Question Insignias Anderson No, No, 117 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.519 Insignia's the only thing that was different, you know, And 118 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.120 they all had this. But the only thing that was 119 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.399 different from the silvery gray thing the suit was that 120 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.360 down like a seam line, like there was a seam 121 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.199 on his shoulder and around the collar. It was trimmed 122 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:53.199 in what appeared to be maroon like courting. Then the 123 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.360 suits were continuous with their footwear. We could see write 124 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.319 this area down. It seemed to be less pliable than 125 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:02.600 it was up here, like this was a stiffer area, 126 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.279 like they were boots or shoes or something. But they 127 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:10.639 were all dressed exactly the same. Question. Okay, so you 128 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.600 and your family are talking back and forth wondering what 129 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:19.040 was going on. What did your family say, I mean, Anderson. Well, 130 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:25.800 question did they say anything? Anderson, Yes, my brother. One 131 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.759 of his first remarks I heard him say, that's a 132 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.680 goddamn spaceship. You know, there were bodies up there, and 133 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.720 you know I was told not to go up there, 134 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:38.639 which I didn't. And question, how old was your brother 135 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.600 at the time. Anderson, He was in his early twenties. 136 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.920 I think twenty twenty one something like that. Question he 137 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:51.360 was a lot older than you were. Anderson, Oh, yes, considerably. 138 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.000 When we got up there, I kind of meandered off 139 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:57.040 to one side. This thing was cocked up, and I 140 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.240 was standing here. The bodies were here, and everybody else 141 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.160 was kind of down here except my cousin Victor was 142 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.199 over here playing and looking in this gaping hole on 143 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:09.199 the side of this disc and it was shaped just 144 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.160 like a discus, except for a round dome was up 145 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.360 on top, and there was this big gaping gash in there. 146 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:18.920 We could see inside, and it looked like a double hole. 147 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:26.800 Question how big? Explain it the gash Anderson the dome. Question, No, 148 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:32.080 the gash, Anderson, Well, it covered the greater majority from 149 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.759 the center of the craft out. It was just like 150 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.919 a gaping hole in there. I mean, I'm thinking, you know, 151 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.480 it's like about thirty two thirty five feet in diameter, 152 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.720 so we're talking about seventeen feet maybe most of that 153 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.039 one side was ripped open like that you could see inside, 154 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:52.200 and you could see another double hole like in there, 155 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.759 and there were just rows of components that was on there, 156 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.279 and there were lights that flashed on and off. Some 157 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.519 of them were stay and some were flashing. There was 158 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:04.879 a lot of debris and stuff hanging out of the hole. 159 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.519 There was evidence that there apparently had been fire. It 160 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:10.879 looked like it had been burned along the edge there. 161 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:15.320 The gash question, Now, this wasn't a gash that could 162 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:17.879 have been caused by the thing coming in for the ground. 163 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:20.639 It wasn't at the leading edge of the vehicle. 164 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:24.039 Anderson, No, No, this. 165 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.240 Was in the side like it almost appeared it was elliptical. 166 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:31.159 It almost appeared as if something the same shape as 167 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.840 the disc we were looking at had hit that same 168 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.279 you know, like it hit the disc and left an 169 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:40.279 imprint that pretty closely approximated the outside diameter of the 170 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:44.200 disc itself, and it appeared to be carved in, looking 171 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.080 kind of like it hit them like this, and it 172 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:52.200 just crumpled and carved in and ripped it open. Question, Okay, 173 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.159 so you're there, you take all this in. Everybody is mystified. 174 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:03.000 What were the circumstances outside? Hot cold? Andersen, very very hot? 175 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.600 Incredible to me, being the first time in New Mexico 176 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:10.559 and coming from back east, I had dry heaves. It 177 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.919 was like the inside of an oven. It was unbelievable 178 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:14.200 to me. 179 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:15.279 You know. 180 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.639 The odd part about this was that the closer you 181 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.799 got to it, the cooler it was. And standing under 182 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:23.559 it in the shade there next to these creatures bodies, 183 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:28.840 it was like refrigerated air conditioning. And question, did you 184 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.080 feel air coming out of this thing? Anderson, No, it 185 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.320 was just like it was. And I remember reaching up 186 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:38.840 and putting my hand on the side of it, but 187 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:40.720 I think I was afraid I was going to hit 188 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.879 my head because there was enough room for me as 189 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:47.960 small child, you know, I was approximately the same size 190 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.480 as these creatures to walk up under there and stand there. 191 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.000 But I kind of did, like that, put my hand 192 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:59.480 up against this thing. Question what did it feel like, Andersen? 193 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:01.080 It was ice cold. 194 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.399 It felt like it just came out of a freezer. 195 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:09.200 Question was it smooth? Was it rough Anderson. It was 196 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.200 very smooth. It had a very smooth texture to it. 197 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.320 It was obviously made out of metal. It was very solid, 198 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.120 and it was very cold, ice cold, and. 199 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:20.440 There was a smell in the area. 200 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:25.039 It smelled volatile acrid, like acetone, and that seemed to 201 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:28.360 be coming out of that gash, that smell. But the 202 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.159 closer you got to this thing, the cooler it was, so, 203 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.039 you know, I kind of remained there, and I guess 204 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.679 that while they were over here, my father and my 205 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.639 uncle Ted and my brother, Uncle Ted was trying to 206 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:44.519 talk to this thing in Spanish, and of course it 207 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.879 didn't understand a word he said. And Dad tried to 208 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:51.039 talk to it, and then they tried, you know, sign language, 209 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.159 and that didn't work. And I don't know, for some reason, 210 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.519 I just I reached down and touched it, this one 211 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.480 that was laying next to me. When I touched, I 212 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:04.840 realized and I jumped back. It scared me. It startled 213 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:08.440 me because I suddenly realized that these weren't dolls. I 214 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.559 thought they were plastic dolls, and I, you know, it 215 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.159 was still in my mind that these were dolls until 216 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.840 I touched it, and then I realized, you know, this 217 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.679 was a dead thing. I'd seen dead relatives before and 218 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.919 unfortunately made a mistake one time in touching a relative 219 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.159 that was in a casket, and I just knew this 220 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.200 was a dead thing, and it scared me. And I 221 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:32.159 ran around behind my father and my uncle and this 222 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:34.559 thing was sitting there on the ground and it kept 223 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.960 looking back and forth, and it just had its hands 224 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.639 like this and its lap and just kept looking back 225 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.159 and forth between the three of them, and like it 226 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.440 was trying to understand. And all of a sudden, it 227 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.000 just turned and looked right straight at me, between my 228 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:53.120 uncle Ted and myself. And this is when it was 229 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.000 just like an explosion of things in my head. Things 230 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:01.000 I started, you know, feeling just terrible depression and loneliness 231 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.679 and fear and just you know, awful, awful feelings that 232 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.080 just suddenly burst into my mind there. I don't know 233 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:11.039 if that meant that it was communicating with me, and 234 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.320 I was the only one there that it could communicate 235 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:14.679 with because I was a kid. 236 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:15.879 I don't know. 237 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.080 I turned and ran, and I ran across the arroyo 238 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.559 and up on the area that it had bounced off 239 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.879 of during the crash. I was just standing there looking 240 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.320 down at this scene, you know, at my family, and 241 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.360 off in the distance, I could see cattle grazing. I 242 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:34.039 could see a windmill, and could see dust trails out 243 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.039 on the planes out there. And oh, I was there 244 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.320 for a while, and then I came back down. 245 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.000 I guess we were there. Victor was. 246 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.360 When I got back down there, Victor was up in 247 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:46.759 the craft and Ted yelled at him to get out 248 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.399 of there, and Glenn went over and grabbed him by 249 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:55.720 the belt and jerked him around. Question, that's your brother Anderson, yes, 250 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.440 and jerked him off, says, get out because this thing 251 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:02.080 may explore and kill us all, you know. And then 252 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:05.360 of course he went prowling around in there. I was 253 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.440 kind of standing off to one side looking. That's why 254 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:11.240 I knew that there was. I can look off these 255 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.879 rocks that I was standing on and look right into 256 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.960 this thing. That's why I knew, you know, about the 257 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:20.279 lights and the components and stuff. And then I heard 258 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.960 other people talking. I turned and there was a group 259 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.519 of people coming up the arroyo from out on the 260 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.679 planes from the south. They had come up there, and 261 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:32.759 of course they walked up and was talking, question how 262 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:37.960 many Anderson. There was an older man and five younger students. 263 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:44.600 Question boys girls, Anderson, three boys and two girls. And 264 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.600 they were all, you know, introducing, talking to my father 265 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:49.039 and my uncle and my brother. 266 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:53.720 Question what did the older one look like? Anderson? 267 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.559 He was a very tall man, a very big man. 268 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:59.159 He was wearing a pith helmet when he first came up, 269 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:02.600 one of those kind of explorer helmets. And he was 270 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:04.840 bald and I know that because he had taken it 271 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.320 off and he had you know, wiped it with a 272 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.080 handkerchief and put it back on. He was a balding man, 273 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.279 and he had a round face. He was very ready complected, 274 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.440 a big man. And he apparently was a doctor, because 275 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.519 they kept calling him doctor. And it was my understanding 276 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:24.279 that it was an archaeological group that was out there 277 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.360 on some kind of summer thing. And they talked, and 278 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.559 he apparently was able to speak several foreign languages, and 279 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.120 he tried to talk to this creature several times in 280 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.559 different languages. Again to no avail, question, how did they 281 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.879 happen to be there? Had he seen the thing? Anderson? Well, 282 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:44.000 they claimed. 283 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:44.879 That they saw. 284 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.159 They said they saw this thing come down the night 285 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.159 before in flight, you know, and they thought it was 286 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.399 a meteorite, and they had talked about, well, early in 287 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.720 the morning, you know, we'll go over and see this 288 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.799 where this meteor came down, because that's what they thought 289 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:04.159 it was. And when the sun came up the next morning, 290 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.279 you know, and they got about their business, got up 291 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:09.919 and somebody looked over and said, you know, they saw 292 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.039 this shiny metal and stuff across the planes there, and 293 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:15.720 they realized it wasn't a meteorite. It may have been 294 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.320 an airplane that had crashed. So they all decided to 295 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.879 go over there and see if there was anybody left alive, 296 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.799 you know, that was hurt that needed help. Question they 297 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:29.600 had driven over Anderson. No, they walked over apparently the 298 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.399 way I understand it, And it's quite a ways across 299 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.480 that plane, so it had to take a very long 300 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.120 time to do this. Where they may have had a vehicle. 301 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.919 I don't know, that's an assumption I think on my part. 302 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:47.320 Where they walked Question, Okay, so they're around Anderson, but 303 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:54.080 they came across Question with the family Anderson the planes. 304 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.639 I don't know why I said that. I'm not sure 305 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.240 if they drove or not. I didn't hear any cars. 306 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.759 Question and then somebody else shows up Anderson. 307 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:04.599 Yes. 308 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.400 They were down just oh, fifteen maybe twenty minutes tops, 309 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.960 you know, and they were picking up things, some of 310 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.599 the students, and then this doctor Buzzkirk that they called him. 311 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.400 This one girl went up and said, look, doctor, wouldn't 312 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:20.839 this make. 313 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:21.519 A beautiful ring? 314 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.920 And she was holding what looked like a red rod, 315 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:28.039 a red tube that was some kind of silvery red. 316 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.079 And he kind of snapped at her, you know, put 317 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:33.359 that down because you don't know what that thing is. 318 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.400 That thing could hurt you, don't pick this stuff up. 319 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.119 And she kind of said, well, yes, okay, doctor, and 320 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.319 then he went back to what he was doing, and 321 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.279 she walked away and put it in her pocket. And 322 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.359 a lot of them were doing this sort of picking 323 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.799 up things and feeling things. I was picking up things 324 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:54.119 and feeling things. It was all kinds of material and 325 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:57.599 metal stuff like that. I heard it, well, we all 326 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.559 heard it, the sound of a motor coming, like a truck. 327 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:03.279 And I went back up the incline area to the 328 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.880 ridgeline and I could see out there there was a 329 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.440 truck coming up. It was an old pickup truck. It 330 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.200 was sort of a beige color, a tan colored van 331 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.279 with an antenna on it, and it stopped and this 332 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:19.119 guy got out, and he's wearing brown clothes. He's got 333 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.759 boots on, and he's wearing a straw hat, just like 334 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.440 the kind that Harry Truman always wore, and he had 335 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:27.680 wire rimmed glasses. He was a big man, and he 336 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.079 looked exactly like Harry Truman to me, you know, I'd 337 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:37.359 seen him in the movietone news question he was president then, Anderson, Yes, 338 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:39.920 I was well aware of who Harry Truman was. 339 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:41.599 Everybody was. 340 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:43.839 He was kind of a hero, you know, and he 341 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.640 just kind of looked like him, except bigger, you know, 342 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.480 I don't think he and he didn't look as old either. 343 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.839 His hair was kind of light gray. And he walked 344 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.839 over there and they got to talking, you know, with everybody, 345 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.119 and he told them that he worked out on the 346 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.960 planes out there and that he made maps, and that 347 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.799 he had seen the wreckage from out there on the 348 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.559 planes and he saw the people and he thought it 349 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:10.400 was a plane wreck and you know, that something was 350 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.440 going on, and he came over to see and he 351 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:15.920 hadn't been there but just a very very few minutes 352 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.000 when we heard all kinds of motors and engines, straining 353 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.200 and stuff. And here comes a military car with a 354 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:24.440 big white star on the side of it, followed by 355 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.000 a six by, which is a military truck with a 356 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.400 kind of canvas wagon, kind of a canvas thing over it, 357 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:31.759 and it's full of soldiers. 358 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:33.480 They've got guns. 359 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:36.680 And right behind them is what we call a four by, 360 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.319 which is like a medium sized jeep slash truck situation. 361 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:44.079 And it had two big high whip antennas, all kinds 362 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.359 of radio gear in the back, and a guy back 363 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:49.119 there with earphones and stuff on, and he's, you know, 364 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:54.000 working these radios. And they all pulled up and stopped. Question, 365 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:55.880 which direction did they come from? 366 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.960 Do you know? Anderson? 367 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.759 They came from the north, from the the Horse Springs 368 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.319 area right, question. So they could have come off the 369 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:09.519 highway there. Anderson, Oh, yes, I'm sure that's exactly how 370 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.319 they got there. They came off the highway the same 371 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:16.160 way we did. Well in the meantime, when they stopped 372 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:19.599 this black soldier, this sergeant. The reason I know he 373 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:22.359 was a sergeant, my brother told me he was. And 374 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.519 he got out of this car, and then a guy 375 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:26.960 got out on the other side, and he was a 376 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.079 Glenn said he was a captain. He told me later 377 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.599 he was a captain. And this guy had orange and 378 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:36.200 red hair. So all the soldiers and them came running 379 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.279 over there, pointing guns at people, telling them, get away, 380 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:43.160 get away, get away, you know. And when this creature 381 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.119 saw these people, the military, he went nuts. He went 382 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:50.160 into an absolute panic, worse than what he did when 383 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:53.960 he saw us. Question did he move around or just 384 00:20:54.039 --> 00:21:01.039 his eyes or Anderson? He just he just questioned, oh okay. 385 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.920 Anderson went crazy And it was like question, like he 386 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:11.000 was scared. Anderson, yes, like he was looking for a 387 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:12.319 place to run and hide. 388 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:13.960 Question. 389 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:18.039 But he never got up, Anderson, he never got up. 390 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:20.359 He never left the beans that were next to him. 391 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:23.880 And this redheaded officer, this guy was a real butthole. 392 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.640 He made all the threats. He threatened to have people shot. 393 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:34.119 Question everybody. Anderson, he went, get away, get away, you know, 394 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.960 we'll shoot get away from there. This is a military secret, 395 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:42.559 you know, just screaming and hollering. He told my uncle 396 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:44.880 and my father that if they didn't want to spend 397 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.039 the rest of their life in prison, they would never 398 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.680 say anything about what they saw there. If they ever 399 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.640 wanted to see us kids again, they'd take the kids away, 400 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:55.839 they'd never see the kids, you know, meaning me and 401 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.200