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Speaker 2: I guess there you go. Thank you, sir, ello, ladies

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and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Peacemaker season two reviews.

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But this is a special one because it is the

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season two finale. Yeah, that's it for season two. We're

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gonna talk about this episode non spoilers, spoilers, and then

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give an OVALL rating number for the entire season. I

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am the prawn Dress. Now I'm joined by.

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Speaker 1: I am giant fucking titties s Kirklan Patzer and it's

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actually gargantuan, but I was I was a rush to

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Speaker 2: I oh, I will check what he actually said.

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Speaker 1: I would have never meadows quote.

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Speaker 2: I would have never corrected you, you know so, and

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then we're here with nobody yet Taylors on his way.

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We're starting a little early here so we can get

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some stuff out of the way. But yeah, that's what

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we're doing, peace Maker. This is the end of it

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Unless I don't think you're you're not staying on the

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HBO train, Are you coming on for the Benny Ways? Train, No, no,

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but you'll be back in January for ninety to seven.

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Speaker 3: King there you go.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we got that Fall will be happening, and

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then tons of reviews, tron Aries tomorrow, the week after that,

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the Black Phone, the week after that, Shelby Oaks, fingers crossed.

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so we'll see. And then yeah, lots of other cast

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sy quest trust told you. So, there's been some good

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some Halloween stuff, so appreciate that. The biggest thing you

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Speaker 2: You're still laughing at that.

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Speaker 1: I popped it up and it just made me.

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our discover we're talk abou bunch of stuff we're talking about.

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the demise of my fucking fantasy team every week because

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of the season. Hell yeah, man, hell yeah, I love it.

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Every week my team finds a new way. This is

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how bad is Kirkling. I got Henry bench right now

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and Sakaron Barkley's putting on his worst game of season,

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like I have on paper. You look at it. I

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Tay there still on here, So I'm gonna throw to

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Speaker 1: You know, I was actually gonna open my thoughts with

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and I was waiting, Oh, there must be a reveal,

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you know, someone's controlling the character, something's going on. No,

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it just feels like we miss so much backstory, and

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to black. To me, it almost feels like this whole

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episode if you were to tell me, hey, this was

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actually a episode one for season three. Piece maker Like, oh,

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I believe that more because this feels like a setup

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for a bunch of stuff. And that's where I am.

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episode was really that good. There's some good stuff in it,

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but I don't think there's multiple issues, or I don't

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think I think there is multiple issues that I have

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with it, And over all the season is very kind

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of forgettable for me. I'm not going to be that

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excited for Peacemaker season three or whatever, which we'll talk

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about the spoilers that they're kind of hinting at for

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the DCU. Honestly, I'm still very meh on it so far.

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live in a world where you have Marvel, and then

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you have everything else that's kind of shitty, right, You

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have like the Mummy universe that tried, you have like

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the Sony Marvel which wasn't good. You get the DCU,

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which end up being messy. So like, as cinematic universes,

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this is probably yeah, solid number two. You know, I

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guess you get the Conjuring Conjuring. Actually, I'd put the

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Conjuring over dc right now, because hey, there's no fucking

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project in the DCU like the Conjuring in the first movie, right,

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it's well made. From a technical level, it's well acted,

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and they do know where they're going, and that's one thing.

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thought was it was good, and this to me is

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like it's good to But I've been disappointed with each

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and both of those Always I thought more excited for

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those projects than these two guys. So it's just kind

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of funny. Now I'll at the back half. So I'm

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really hoping and maybe this is it that the next

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two projects we got we got Green Lanterns and then

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we got Supergirl. Both of those are not written or

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directed by James Gunn. I'm really hoping it is just

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a case that I've said before, I prefer James Gunn

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when he has maybe someone working with him, like a

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Figy or Marvel. I think sometimes when he's off the

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leash for me, it doesn't really work out. Other than

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absolutely loved, so Green Lanterns and Supergirl for me, is

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a big tester of is it just the James gun

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project or is all the DCU stuff kind of be

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like this? Because he did say, oh, you know, there's

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not really gonna be homeworking stuff. I don't know. I

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felt like a lot of this stuff in this episode

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felt like it was like you'll have and we'll see

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when we get to Man Tomore and other stuff. But

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it felt like you would kind of have to know

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at least a few things going in right, and that's

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a good thing. I'll be a good tester because Emily's

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never gonna watch Peacemaker. She'll see Superman, so I'll get

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to ask her when we see like, hey, what a that?

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sense where you can just have a character exposition for

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a couple of minutes, right, But my thing is, the

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ending of the show does not feel like an ending

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to this show. It feels like an ending to the universe,

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which I felt like Gunn said he didn't want to

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try and do the marvel thing because that end up

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with the Marvels stuff where people sort of complain, hey,

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there's too much going on and too much to follow.

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So there's that. So there's the quality to me was

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the universe to me is and then the other thing

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that I don't care as much about, but the biggest

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thing that's been on social media is James Gunn being like, man,

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these three episodes, I hadn't shown them to my publicist,

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were not shown them to the critics. There's gonna and

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I have the quote here. Let me bring up the

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quote for what he said quote. We know, yeah, I

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don't know. It's it's long, in the fifty seven minutes.

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It's fifty eight minutes, very very fun. I don't enjoy

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his online humor. I really don't.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The quote was this is a little spoilry, but you

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can read into what it is. We have some really

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big big stars from the dc universe that are going

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to be in the near the end of the season

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other than the one we got a couple of weeks

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ago in a prison. What did we get here? What

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are the big big stars?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What are the surprises? So I just like that's my

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thing where it's just from the quality standpoints not there

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for me and the stuff that Gun talks about to

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get us excited and hyped, I just I keep feeling

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kind of underwhelmed by it. And I will say this again,

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Merger Bros. I'm sorry. I do not want after Superman

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and especially after this, I do not want Rob passing

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anywhere fucking near the DCU like I do. I So

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help me, God or Devil, whoever's out there, I'll sell

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the soul like conjuring last rites. I'll do something because

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it's just like man, I just do not want him

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around this stuff. Let reason at least finish two and

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even if that's it, that's fine, because yeah, just right now,

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so Peacemaker, this finale I don't think was good. I

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think this season was fine, and for the overall DCU,

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I'm not really I I will be there because I

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like it enough, but I'm not like, oh man, I

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can't wait. I'm exc for Supergirl because I think Millie

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Allcock looks great in that role, so I think that's

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gonna be a great performance, just like David Quorn sweat

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he was great in Superman right, same as John Cena,

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he's great in the show. Performances again, are all great acting,

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zero complaints really overall for the most part, in most

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of these projects so far. But it's the actual quality

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of this show that and this finale was was was

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an odd one. So yeah, I wasn't a big fan

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of this. So uh Taylor Field, oh.

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Speaker 3: Not a fan.

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Speaker 2: Not a fan of this finale those first five minutes

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you saw that, and you were already on a nosedive,

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Speaker 1: Just started with Taylor Field on his thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't here, Yeah, just I think things could have been

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better coming off.

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Speaker 3: Of such a hot episode last week.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've been pretty warming up quite well

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on this this season two of the show. But uh, yeah,

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there's there's a lot that was still needing to be

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wrapped up.

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Speaker 3: And kind of explained.

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Speaker 4: I will not even explain, but just I feel like

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we needed to further along a little bit more of

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the narrative with these characters and such, and just to kind.

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Speaker 3: Of get what we got.

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Speaker 4: It felt like we were only maybe seventy five percent

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the way there, maybe not even five, maybe like sixty

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six percent the way there. There's still a good chunk

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of stuff that needed to be addressed. I feel like

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when it comes to just like the characters and such,

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and it just it expedited it when we got to

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the back half. Like in the back half, like the

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end of the episode is like, Okay, we're obviously seeing

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a bit of a time jump here, not a spoiler,

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but things were just like really picking up and we're

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jumping ahead and like, okay, things are really happening here.

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But there's a lot of stuff that I would have

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liked to.

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Speaker 3: Have seen.

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Speaker 4: Leading up to this kind of point. That's it's not

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only in this part of the episode too, earlier on

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with stuff with like Rick flag Senior. Holy fuck, it's

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like what are they doing here? Because they're just totally changing.

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Speaker 2: It's so weird.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I just super weird. And they address it

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once in one scene. Apparently then it.

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Speaker 2: Was not even justified viable, like we'll get into full spoilers.

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But man, it's just like it was weird. It's like

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they let chat Gipe take over this character and it

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was like again.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I thought it was a doppel ganger.

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Speaker 2: I thought like, Okay, there's all right, right, you're into

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You're too far into oatting, too far into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not high on on this episode.

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Speaker 4: Now that being said, maybe a future project could retroactively

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make this episode boost it up a little bit, but

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I don't think that's what you should be doing.

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Speaker 1: Two years Finale, Part two for Peacemaker.

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Speaker 4: I guess I should save the other There's another scene

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that I'm gonna say for spoilers because that was just it.

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Speaker 3: It made me laugh when I saw it.

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Speaker 2: James Gunnis, we know what.

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Speaker 3: They stopped the cameras, but they just kept going like

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like that Superman set.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into k if you've not seen the episode.

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We're gonna take our first ad break and then we're

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gonna get into full spoilers, so we will be right back.

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We are back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm stillating first of all here because I'm gonna

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pose the question to Taylor Field. The Taylor you know,

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you like the idea of like multiverse theory. There's just

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there's there's infinite realities out there, and if that's the case,

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then there is guaranteed a reality where there is just

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a total aspect aspeg asshole scumbag John Cena who's just

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like totally stealing Jennifer Holling away from James Gunn during

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the filming of this show.

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Speaker 2: But if that's his universe, I'm just watching this.

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Speaker 1: I'm just watching them on my couch. I got my

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little tea, you know, I'm watching this and I'm like,

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man like, there has been so many cases of like

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whether it's Brad Pitt cheating on Angelina Joe or no

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Jennifer Aniston for Jennifer my god, Angela Joe. I'm terrible

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names right now, but I'm just like watching this. I'm like,

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man like, this happens often in you know, I'm sure

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John Cena is really.

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Speaker 2: Different since the husband's on the set all those stories,

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the husband or there, right, so he's there.

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Speaker 1: With not for all like the acting.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying now you coned?

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Speaker 1: There's always just in the meming camp because it's just

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so fun to speculate with this idea I love it.

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I'm more in that I like aspect to the reality

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of it, because at the end of the day, they

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are in the movie business. She's like an actual actor.

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Think it's just like, hey, you should put your beautiful

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wife in this role who's never acted before, just so

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she can like mac on John john sena. But so

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I definitely entertain it for entertainment's sake, but still just

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watching the scene and of course we've just been like

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meming about it all season and then it just Liplock

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spinning the camera around. It's like extended I swear I

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saw as I'm tongue in there too with some saliva exchange,

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and I'm just like, my mind's going But yeah, they

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are actors.

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Speaker 2: It is all fake, nothing is going on.

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Speaker 3: We know it. Well, that was that all fake?

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Speaker 2: Was that? Like at again what I said though, first

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of all, that is still just the ones doors or anything,

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and the husband is not there on set. I think

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there's no issue the husband being there if it's all cool.

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And again we've told those before. We've been really they're

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just swingers and it really didn't matter, right, people are

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doing that all the time. So it's like, let's say you're.

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Speaker 1: Not swingers though, and like, I never want to push

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for adultery or anything like that. You know, stay true

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and uh to your partners. But like, what do you

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what happens to the DCU if that actually occurred.

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Speaker 2: Peacemaker and Hardcore die off screen. This is what happens.

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Speaker 1: That's literally what James gunn looking to Peter Saffron, He's like, Okay,

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what's next for the future of the DCU and he

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just leaps again, just making jokes people. I don't actually

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hope that h isn't that right?

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Speaker 3: Hot brother.

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Speaker 2: James gun and Johnson at the Justice League premiere very

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He's just like, mmm, Sean gun But anyways, let's get

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out of here. You guys are bringing me down here level.

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It's I think it's completely fine. It's nothing's happening. Their

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00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,599
actors actress is all for fun. I will say, though,

472
00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:17,359
on a legituly story point, which to me they didn't

473
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,880
talk about. Don't think they'll ever talk about this whole season.

474
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,079
We've heard about the boat, right, and I think they

475
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,200
kind of almost made an insinuation that it was like

476
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,319
them having sex, right, that's what we all thought, right,

477
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,640
Like in the show specifically, hardcore pizez that. So we

478
00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:36,960
learn that they went in a dirty way, like what

479
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,319
are you talking about? But no, so we they kind

480
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,160
of made it sound the insinuation that they had sex.

481
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,519
But then we learned this episode we go to a

482
00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:46,640
month month ago and there was actual boat. It was

483
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,720
like a rock cruise or something. They kiss, you know,

484
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:51,480
big romantic scene. He spins her and you know it's SlowMo.

485
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,160
They kiss and then she gets emotional leaves. So am

486
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,400
I to take it they have not had sex? Right?

487
00:21:58,599 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: They're definitely not slept again?

488
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: Okay? So, and am I supposed to take it that

489
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,880
the John seen or the Chris that went to the

490
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,119
Nazi word that woke up half naked and shower with

491
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,559
Amelia Harcourt had sex with her.

492
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: Yes, they absolutely had sex.

493
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: What I didn't think about that at all when.

494
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: She walked off the boat, I was because don't be on.

495
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,079
I already was saying it was kind of weird, of

496
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,200
like if if me and Emily had a fight and

497
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,960
I went to different universe, been like, oh I banged

498
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,079
another version of you, I think that person. Emily would

499
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,720
kind of like that's a weird way to get over

500
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,279
your problem. But maybe you'd get over because it's like

501
00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:34,960
it's the same person at sex. Whatever. If me and

502
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:38,079
Emily were first dating and then we didn't make love

503
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,559
and then I went to different universe and made love

504
00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:41,960
to a different version of her first so the first

505
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,599
time that who knows, because like they didn't really get

506
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,200
together in the season, but then they went to the

507
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,119
concert again, they were all like hugging it, like they

508
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,400
looked like they were implying they were starting to get

509
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,839
romantically involved. So Chris's first time ever with Amelia Harcourt

510
00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:57,240
will be the Nazi version of her. I feel like,

511
00:22:57,599 --> 00:22:59,880
fuck the brick flag stuff that enough, what should be

512
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,400
have hardcer be like you, like we can meet friends,

513
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,079
wean carebache, but I'm never crossing that. Like that's a

514
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,279
weird thing. Like all the other stuff that Chris gets

515
00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:08,680
in his hand and worried about, it's like, no, man,

516
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,039
that's the way life is. Like as great speech again,

517
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,920
great acting about this stuff. Bad stuff doesn't happen just

518
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,400
because of you. And look at all these things you've done.

519
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,519
There's tons of stuff that Peacemaker cannot control that is bad.

520
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:22,359
That's happening to him, him fucking a different version of

521
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,480
Meli Harcourt and then just come back being like didn't

522
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,599
mean something, didn't mean anything. It's like what that doesn't

523
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,720
matter anymore? Like when she GoF that boat, I felt

524
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,079
I was like gross, Like I was like that just

525
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,160
doesn't to me that I I don't buy. It's like, oh,

526
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,119
it's just big love now.

527
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 4: You know.

528
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:39,759
Speaker 2: It would have been fine if they just heavily insinuated

529
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:41,480
that maybe he didn't sleep with that hardcourt right, Like

530
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:43,440
they went on a date and hung out, that's fine,

531
00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:45,519
but like he woke up in bad naked with there

532
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:47,839
there was like they definitely implied they had sex. So

533
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,440
just oh, did not like that all weird weird stuff.

534
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,559
Speaker 1: So I must wish you didn't make that observation. So

535
00:23:55,799 --> 00:24:00,000
it makes it worse, right, it detracts. Yeah, that's really

536
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,519
are and I feel like something that they should have meant,

537
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,079
like no one caught.

538
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: That in the writers well there's no there's no writer's room,

539
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,279
and that James remember he wrote this in a weekend.

540
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:12,079
Speaker 3: Oh I love it. I wanna.

541
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna but I'm curious for the people that

542
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:19,079
listen to his podcast and have his explanation of of that, Like, yeah,

543
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,319
I know, it's like questions in people and all the stuff.

544
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,799
Lap show, isn't it. He's just glazing himself the whole

545
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:26,519
pretty much.

546
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:29,599
Speaker 2: And like like tonight, Steve Aggie and his wife are

547
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,160
on there. So it's just I'm talking about the show

548
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,559
and everything. So and the only quotes that have come

549
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,119
out about it are like the what Hunter put in

550
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,160
the chat, like stuff about the future, so we'll see

551
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,160
there so, but anything else on on that.

552
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 3: Nobody's nobody's like us.

553
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: Me and Taylor in the chat asked him the real question, honestly,

554
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,880
just live reaction, like how we pull up comments on

555
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,559
the stream yard?

556
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: James, are you worried.

557
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,519
Speaker 1: Sweating?

558
00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:01,279
Speaker 2: We're we're what are films gonna bring through? We're gonna

559
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,720
get a meeting with James gun and then they're just

560
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,519
gonna pull this episode and YouTube fucked es gvs never

561
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,160
making anything dec related because stick around.

562
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,559
Speaker 4: I mean, what if Warner brother sells and then uh,

563
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,160
you know, Netflix buys it or Paramount buys it, and

564
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,319
then they're like, all right, James, you're out of here.

565
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't think they would.

566
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:22,799
Speaker 2: Just put but John and.

567
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 3: No, we're keeping a million job. Chris.

568
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, that's another time. I think both. I think

569
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,960
legitimately he Paramount could buy them and give James Gun

570
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,319
a ten year contract. Paramoun could buy them and fire

571
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,960
them the next day. You never know what the like,

572
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,759
that's my thing of like any I think I have

573
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,759
no idea what the second richest man in the world's

574
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,680
thinking when he buys brother. They'm not gonna try to think,

575
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,759
like what does he think about I've said this before.

576
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,359
He could have been the same room with James Gun

577
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,160
and James I could have bumped into him and what's

578
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,119
up bra and walked away, and the second he sits down,

579
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,000
it'd be like this. He'd be pulling up this podcast

580
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,799
being like, James, you remember that day you stepped on

581
00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:58,599
my shoe? Like you never fucking know. So we'll wait

582
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,119
and see. Uh yeah, how asked what are your thoughts

583
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,279
in salvation run for the DCU will get there when

584
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:05,000
we get to that portion, but we will talk about it.

585
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,759
Uh TC twenty four said seven nine of ten to

586
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:09,799
f nine for me overall eight at tenth of the season. There,

587
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,400
that's pretty good. And then we can talk about this

588
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,720
quickly because then we'll probably be on some of the

589
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,240
bigger stuff. But this to me was a big con

590
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,759
as well. Super mid Mike said, yeah, he's referring to

591
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:19,519
a non spoiled portion. Yeah, for sure. I thought the

592
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,119
Rick flag mine was mind controlled or shape shift or

593
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,720
something acting very strange in this episode on because that's

594
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,599
a setup where Chris is in jail, which again I

595
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:29,359
have a problem with that too, but we'll get there.

596
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:32,519
Chris is in jail and the other people are going

597
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,960
through the doors. They're looking for something, right, we don't

598
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,519
know what that is. And it's a whole montage of

599
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,480
people in suits so Hardcourt to Meadow some other characters

600
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,519
there and Suit's going through these doors. Tons of danger

601
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,759
and now pretty much it's the entire Lex Luthor crew

602
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,240
and Rick Flag. Rick Flag has replaced Lex Luthor, and

603
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,079
not only as far as the superior like the superiority figure.

604
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,720
Literally at times he's not acting like Nichols whole Lex Luthor,

605
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,640
but he's acting in the way that Lex Luthor, who

606
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,839
would think kind of would As far as success rate,

607
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:03,680
I don't understand, and I get what they could try

608
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,839
to do with James gun My pictry. Like Rick Flagg's

609
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:07,920
a great character. He's gonna go back and forth between

610
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,480
good and bad right, like a wand or something like that. Okay,

611
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,480
I can kind of see where that's going. I still

612
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,759
think so far, between Creature Commandos this show and Superman,

613
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:18,319
he's more on the good side. But definitely in this

614
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,240
show there's sometimes where you see he's a little darker.

615
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,319
But we've talked about before where Okay, it's because his

616
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,680
son was murdered by this guy, so we can understand

617
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,480
why he might be a little off kilter, right to

618
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:30,119
have in this episode where there's other and these aren't

619
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,319
fucking suicide squad as far as we know, they're not

620
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,319
suicide squad people. They're not former criminals. There are people

621
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,960
workers that he's responsible for, might have families there, and

622
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,079
people might go, oh, you're looking so seriously Yeah to me,

623
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,200
I am because it's a fucking show I'm consuming and

624
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,400
what Rick Flagg has done. Just because James gun likes

625
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,200
makes jokes, everything shouldn't be a joke. There's people going

626
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,480
through these portals that are literally dying being killed, and

627
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,079
then there's smash cut the Rick Flagg who's laughing with

628
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,799
all the criminals to the side.

629
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: Like it's literally like like the fucking meme from Good

630
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,039
Fellows when they're just done.

631
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,759
Speaker 2: It is in the bar, and it's just like the

632
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,400
only way I we'll accept this if they say, yeah,

633
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,240
like now reflects just a villain. If they say he's

634
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:10,799
just a villain for now, and that's fine because like

635
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:12,920
I still think it's not the greatest writing, but at

636
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200
least it's like, Okay, this was his breaking point, right,

637
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,759
his son died and he just never really recovered from

638
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:21,640
interact with Peacemaker. Like Taylor said, you could eventually write

639
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,720
that story and kind of fix it. That's fine, But

640
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,039
at any point, if he's on the good guy side

641
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,400
or helping our heroes, I don't give a I don't

642
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,400
give a fuck about this character surviving because he's just

643
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,559
chuckling while these innocent bystanders are getting there, like they're

644
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,039
dying in violent ways, and it's just like he's all

645
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,160
chummy and Emilia, who he's close with, like yep, we

646
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,640
don't need your sorry go away in something that like

647
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:43,440
you feel like they're gonna hear about eventually. It's just

648
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,839
what was It felt like someone else was writing this character,

649
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,400
and it's it's so odd because again, and that's why

650
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,119
I even had the problem A little bit of Holt

651
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,200
a little bit when when they have the fucking glasses guy,

652
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,559
apparently he's just doing coke and let we talk about

653
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,079
that he like masturbates like Superman. I guess just the

654
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:03,119
PG thirteen, but I could believe that Superman and Peacemaker

655
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,799
were written by different people. This is James gunn Ran

656
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:07,960
in these same characters. And to me, even the little

657
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240
bits we saw Rick Flag, and even in that boardroom

658
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,480
that did not feel like the Rick Flag that was

659
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,920
just a Superman a month ago. Even the character Trice

660
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,599
says that, like, oh, you were very different a month ago.

661
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,079
But the thing is, if a character's gonna change so radically,

662
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,240
we got to see that and we did not see that,

663
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,680
So that to me was a massive con So I know,

664
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:25,839
kirkln you're not already a fan of maybe the character

665
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:27,640
and maybe more so the actor. But what do you

666
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,680
think about you know, Rick Flag's having a great day

667
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,160
at work while people are just fucking dying around, which

668
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,440
has never been a trade like oh, the creature commandos.

669
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,200
He feels bad about a bunch of fucking freaks, you know,

670
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,200
and those are people that are like could you could

671
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,839
labels criminals where these are just regular government workers, Like

672
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,839
it's weird.

673
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,279
Speaker 1: Weird, it feels so disconnected for like trying to be

674
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:50,559
the same universe and although it's animated to live action,

675
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,160
like it's supposed to be the exact same character in

676
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,519
the exactly Gun says yeah, and it's I don't buy

677
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,720
that for what was shown to us. I definitely have

678
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,400
like my own biases of not liking the character because

679
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,200
I'm just not the biggest Frank Grilla fan, and I

680
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,400
feel like there's been peaks and valleys throughout the season

681
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,640
of like really not liking the character to being like, Okay,

682
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,720
I'm gonna although I don't love Frank Gorilla, Like what

683
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,200
they're doing with the character is at least somewhat enticing,

684
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,079
and it's like completely in the fucking trash bag right

685
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,279
now below like the expired milk like it is, I

686
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:24,720
so do not care about this character anymore, and I

687
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,640
want it to be any part of the of the universe,

688
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,119
and like just the idea of him being like the

689
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,599
potential Nick Fury of this universe, it's just like that

690
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,480
disgusts me, Like I hate this character so much, and

691
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,400
I think what was not.

692
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: Like a good way, right, No, I like I want

693
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,880
to see him get come up and you.

694
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 1: Know, like like a good villain that you just want

695
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:44,599
to despise. Like it's just it's so annoying to see

696
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,640
him on screen now.

697
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,799
Speaker 2: To me, and I haven't seen this in a while,

698
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:50,839
but something like the Suicide Squad. James Gunn did that

699
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,599
in two hours with Peacemaker, where he was like a

700
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:54,559
funny joke machine. And then when he does that turn

701
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,960
and he kills brick Flake Junior and he starts helping

702
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Waller in that Lasser act, You're like, fuck this guy. Man,

703
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,720
he's just like a government snob and all but all

704
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,279
the bread combs are there to buy that turn right

705
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:07,400
where none of that's here. If anything, they've been trying

706
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,839
to make a more emotional with like him being close

707
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,119
to Amelion all this stuff, and it just it feels

708
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,400
like we're missing a bunch of episodes, you know, or

709
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:16,359
just minutes.

710
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:16,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

711
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: I feel like my the bigger grievance I have with

712
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,720
the character as a whole is like it's so fucking

713
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,559
obvious that he's just like a straight villain of like

714
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,519
he gets into this role that's like supposed to be

715
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:32,000
like a very high tier like government official role, like

716
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:34,920
it's it's it's basically like black ops level, right, because

717
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,920
it's like nobody really knows too much about Argust but

718
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,480
it's but it's in like the government, and it's just

719
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:42,200
like so blatant that he like, my goal is to

720
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:45,400
take down fucking Christopher Smith. That is the only goal,

721
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,279
not not do anything for the government or like like

722
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,960
anything like stopping like there's a little bit of many

723
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,200
human stuff like sprinkled in there, but like it's really

724
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,319
just fucking to send Christopher Smith to this fucking salvation plant. Like, like,

725
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,000
to me, that's what is his main goal, even if

726
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:01,880
anything else is said, like we're gonna make a prison

727
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,000
for any humans, it's like, my I'm gonna fucking take

728
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640
on Christopher Smith. And that's been him this whole season,

729
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,480
and then at the end he's like elevated to a

730
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,680
whole other level because he's just so different already than

731
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,480
what he's been in the season. Like like when he's

732
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,799
beating the shit a peacemaker and he's getting emotional, that's

733
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,279
good content. It's like, man, like this guy lost his son.

734
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,440
He's taken out all this rage. He wants him to

735
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,160
fight back, like he's just at a very emotionally vulnerable level,

736
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,960
but like what's happened, Like it doesn't even seem like

737
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,440
it's the same character here. He's just laughing at all

738
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,119
his lack. He's just getting murderous. So it's so disconnected

739
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,440
and just so I'm so uninterested in the character, Like

740
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,279
they actually managed to go from like zero to negative

741
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,799
on my interest and.

742
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: They try to like tie together with we'll get there,

743
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:47,559
but when he sends them through the poor like oh,

744
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:49,599
this for Ricky, but it's like that doesn't feel like

745
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,960
it really matters anymore. And cause you could make that point, right,

746
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,640
you could have done the whole story of oh, he's

747
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,279
using his son's death to make it seem like that's

748
00:32:58,279 --> 00:32:59,960
what he's really here for. But he's there for the power.

749
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,839
Where to me, the season of the writing was he's

750
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,519
using his like the power that Chris has to get

751
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,200
to the guy that caused his son's death. It was

752
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,640
the other way around. But at the finale they tried

753
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,240
to switch. It's like, no, no, no, that's not what you've

754
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,079
been telling this whole season. And that's why I said

755
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:14,960
the non spoilers too. It's like even the whole goal

756
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,319
of this finale is all the big thing is like

757
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,240
we gotta find what's happening in these portals, and then

758
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,839
we're making a jail for Malt for meta humans, and

759
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880
it's just like when it's like, Okay, you don't have

760
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,440
to watch all this stuff to be connected. Let's say

761
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,559
you don't watch Superman. When did meta humans really pose

762
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,200
a huge threat in this season? If you're just watching Peacemaker,

763
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,079
that's the most random fucking plot line of all. It

764
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,599
was Chris is not a meta human. Adrian's not a

765
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,200
meta human. I guess they say, like Sophia Brador, Yeah,

766
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:42,079
they're a metat human.

767
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,599
Speaker 1: Right, It's like, all right, cool, try to like he

768
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,960
cares at any point in this show. It's just this

769
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,240
episode that they started shacking or did.

770
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: I miss No, they did, No, they did. She was

771
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,000
attracted to him one time he said something. She was

772
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,319
like like hawt and bothered when he like laid down

773
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,279
the law. But it's just like that's where it's just

774
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,160
like the same thing that his goal is completely change

775
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880
and the goal of the show was not. Throughout the season,

776
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,559
meta humans are wrecking shop. That is directly a plot

777
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,480
line from Superman. So when he says like, Oh, you

778
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:10,599
don't have to watch one thing to watch the other. Yeah,

779
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,000
you do, because where in this show is it shows

780
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,199
that meta humans are a massive threat to society because

781
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,079
most of the threats that were happening were in the

782
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:21,280
other fucking universe that Rick Flake Senior didn't even go

783
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,239
to or doesn't even care about. So it's just like

784
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,199
his motivations, both personally and with the plot line. It

785
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,679
literally was just like, yeah, let's set up Superman Man

786
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,159
of Tomorrow, which is weird because you could just have

787
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,840
that story in manitomore like let's sit up so like

788
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,079
it just feels very odd, and that's why I just

789
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:39,440
can't believe him when he's like, oh, there won't be

790
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,920
a homework thing. It's like to me, that is I

791
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,639
don't know how you watch this season without Superman and

792
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,119
feel connected to all. We got to lock up all

793
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:49,360
the meta humans now and all right, I don't know,

794
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,400
just odd stuff, Taylor, make any sense of this stuff?

795
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,840
You like Tulsa King, yes, you know?

796
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,199
Speaker 4: And Grillo he's awesome. He's always in these underdog roles

797
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:05,400
and the here here we go. He's yeah, Rick Flegg Senior,

798
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,639
and I liked his character in Creature Commandos, and I thought,

799
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,360
for the most part, there's there's some juice here. But

800
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,199
this is what I was talking about in my non

801
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,880
spoilers thoughts completely just turn this character around.

802
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: You guys mentioned it.

803
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 4: I thought it was some kind of shape shifter or

804
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,119
something because he's just for sure.

805
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, Lex's Lex has just body controlled somehow.

806
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:27,519
That's what I thought, you.

807
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,159
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, And I mean they're setting it up where

808
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:33,840
Amelia even asks like, uh like general, like, oh no,

809
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,760
you you want me to call you Rick, And just

810
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,559
the way he's responding to it, it's like, Okay, he's

811
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:41,960
not in tune with how she's supposed to call him

812
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,239
by his nickname.

813
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: Too, And I thought the same thing. I thought, all,

814
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,079
this guy's not her fucking Rick Flegg, which they could

815
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,400
do later on, but that doesn't help the season the show.

816
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,719
I don't want three years to be like, oh the

817
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,280
Peacemaker season two finale is much better now.

818
00:35:55,119 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: That's like doing Yeah, it's like doing a g I.

819
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 4: Joe rises to Cobra and having the President be the

820
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,519
shape shifter, but then not paying off until the follow

821
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:07,519
up movie, which almost you know doesn't happen.

822
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's the same niche reference.

823
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: At least in that movie they showed, hey, this is

824
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,119
the fake president, so you knew right away, where we

825
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:19,920
don't know that in this show, right.

826
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

827
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: Because I've seen him he whistles. But yeah, I just

828
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,840
wish that we got a little bit more development on

829
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,400
on our character here with Rick Fleggs Senior, because yeah,

830
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,559
him just high fiving Lex's minions.

831
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not I'm not fine because you get.

832
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: The killed the hundreds of people and.

833
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 4: People almost destroyed the world, and then you just see

834
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,679
like Rick Flegg's on team members, you're just getting killed

835
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,960
by fucking dimensions. And then it just cuts to like

836
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,639
lexis peopions doing like just snort coke.

837
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 3: And then he's just high five in them. It's just

838
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,360
this is just.

839
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,079
Speaker 4: Weird, and he's like, oh, dinner, you know, he's going

840
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,199
out to dinner with Lex's minions, and like every.

841
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,519
Speaker 2: Coke thing, I get spoked. I can't wait it's in there,

842
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,360
because I think, oh, it's so funny they're doing coke,

843
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,159
But like, is that what this is? Like the Shield argusts,

844
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,280
they can just do coke and it's fine, And again,

845
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,679
I guess I'm fine if from now on August should

846
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,159
be just a terrible organization. But I don't think that's

847
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,119
what's gonna happen. I think what's gonna happen is when

848
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,519
you get them back in PG. Thirteen, people are gonna

849
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,760
be masturbating and they're not gonna beating coke. So it's like, then,

850
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,719
why are you making these characters do this now that

851
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,000
are gonna be in Man Up tomorrow? Gonna said, Oh,

852
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,559
a bunch of these people be in the next he said,

853
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,719
Rick Flake's gonna be in the next fucking movie, which

854
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,679
is like, great, I can't wait for that. But it's like, then,

855
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,559
why these characters shift so much? You know, I don't know.

856
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just doesn't fit, doesn't tracked, and I just yeah,

857
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,599
I just don't know. Like the one little highlight like oh,

858
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,360
you're posing him now or opposing Lex Luthor here, and

859
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,440
now you're a month later, you're moving his plans forward,

860
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,760
stuff like that, and he's like, oh, you know, he's

861
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,639
the smartest person on the planet. It doesn't mean I

862
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:04,039
have to like him and all that stuff. And then

863
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,480
every time he gets a report from Lex Luthor, he

864
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:10,639
like slams on the table, buddy, Yeah.

865
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:17,079
Speaker 2: Notes, that's great to me, what is going on? And again,

866
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:21,119
why not in Superman then like even that, like because

867
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,559
he's not the one when Hawk Girl has that president

868
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:26,840
and like, you know, the mask on me and like

869
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,360
I'm not Supermann and drops him right, and then later

870
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,199
on they show the Prey and everything. Rick Flag's not

871
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,519
the character that says like, oh look the meta humans

872
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:37,320
running everything, right, that's someone else that says that to him, right,

873
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,800
and he looks at it like, oh, like he's thinking

874
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,320
about it. Make that his line in that movie. Then

875
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,000
if you know this is right, you're gonna take make

876
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:45,599
it of like, hey, I was on their side, but

877
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,920
now they're just killing fucking government officials. They're not going

878
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,639
to prison. This is kind of fuck that. We gotta

879
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,440
do something. They made him even when he arrested Superman,

880
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,760
he's a sorry Big Blue like it felt like he

881
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,599
was a torn character and Creature Commandos he works with

882
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,199
a bunch of So now that entire team he worked with,

883
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,119
is he just like, Yeah, I'm gonna call you to

884
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:04,840
dinner and then lock you the fuck up, Like the

885
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,280
motivations are not there, And I guess again you could

886
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,360
do the Oh it was a shape shifter, it was

887
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,880
less controlling him. But then like to have an example,

888
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,519
I agree on the reverse side. Then you reveal it

889
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:18,079
in this show. Then you go, Okay, that makes it

890
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,760
feel better because you saw all the bread crumbs of

891
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,920
y ric flag was off and now he's because fuck man,

892
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:27,119
could you imagine if he got seen I got thrown

893
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,239
through that door? It closed, and the only other person

894
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,480
there's actually rig Flagg Senior and they gotta work together.

895
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,239
Fuck man, Like think about that. It's like you gotta

896
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,280
work with the guy. You gotta work with the guy

897
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,079
that killed your son to get out of there. Man,

898
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:51,320
where is my man? My no, he'll see your video

899
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,840
be like you were making jokes about my wife fucking John.

900
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,719
Scene's like you make jokes, Yeah, your wife's gonna fuck John.

901
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Cenaw Travis. But I I just like I was waiting

902
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,960
for I have to be missing some of here. There

903
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,599
has to be something, and there just wasn't. Could you

904
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,320
imagine that them on that island together? Fuck man, that's

905
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:11,079
that's a season three I want to see right there,

906
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,400
it's just them working together. But nah, he's just a

907
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,960
shitty heel that's just like this for Ricky, it's like

908
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,360
all right, man, cool, like yeah, and I didn't buy.

909
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,840
I get what people are gonna say, because man, so

910
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,280
the whole season's about getting Chris peacemaker because he wants

911
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,559
him has peacemaker. Get at jail. They just give some

912
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,119
money to the guard like op, you're free to go,

913
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:33,320
and he just like walks out of prison, doesn't want to.

914
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,599
And I know someone like, oh, well, you know Rick Flag,

915
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,079
he did get Chris in the end, you know. But

916
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,239
the point is, what if Chris could have went anywhere?

917
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,880
What if he has more technic again into portal? So

918
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,320
this guy who hates his son, if he even knew,

919
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,719
like just for a couple of days Chris is out

920
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,800
in the wild, that is not track at all what

921
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,840
the Rick Flayer gave us. He is every time where's

922
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,880
peace Banker. He's such a thread. So to me, it's

923
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,639
just like you let him out of prison, and Chris

924
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,599
could at any point maybe got to a different world

925
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:59,119
and just been gone. And now you lost a guy

926
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,639
that kills your son. So so again, where like that

927
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,199
storyline went nowhere of him really want And I know

928
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,480
someone'll say, well, at the end, he got him, but

929
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,000
it's like that just felt like they forgot about it

930
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,599
and like all will Dove tell it together. I'm see. Yeah,

931
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,920
I'm saying they did resolve it, but it was a

932
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,360
very lazy resolution. It felt like it was something they

933
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,400
had forgot about and it had not for to me.

934
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,119
That was what I was excited about. And they pitched

935
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,800
about Refleke Senior and they did not give that storyline

936
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,559
much justification really at all. They didn't even have a

937
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:26,639
conversation either.

938
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was saying in the spoiler free section,

939
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,440
like like the fade of black scene, how it just

940
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,679
felt like, oh, we forgot to throw in a piece

941
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,039
that like continues on the story. It's like they're just

942
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:42,960
improving the story and like shooting it as they're going,

943
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,000
and then it's like, oh, fuck, we forgot to actually

944
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,320
have him arrested when or sorry, go through the salvation

945
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,679
portal when he was arrested, so now he's free, when

946
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,880
we could have just fucking did this when he was arrested.

947
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,599
Maybe do these other scenes earlier on or like like

948
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,719
just piece it together properly. It just seems, I don't know,

949
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,599
like we're just flipping the switch going going backwards and

950
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,239
forwards is not not appetizing, not palatable.

951
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where it's just like the idea of

952
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:15,679
Man tomorrow is gonna have Superman, Lex, Supergirl, you know,

953
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,360
rig Flag, Peacemaker. Yeah, it's just again And I would

954
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,280
say before Gun is like the master of these multi characters.

955
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,800
But now I've seen a few projects where I go,

956
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,880
you know what, that's not the case. Because I left

957
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,920
Superman being like I didn't get enough of Lois, and

958
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,039
I'm leaving this show being like I didn't get enough

959
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,079
a lot of characters, and then like Rick Flag Senior's

960
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,239
arc is just completely feels like unfinished or rushed. So

961
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,400
now I have that where before I go, no, no, Gun,

962
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,199
he got that. He's a master dealing with eight to

963
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,079
seven characters, right, But now it's like especially too in

964
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,519
those other projects. You could argue the Guardians, they are

965
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,679
all main characters, but it's a big assamble, right, But Lex, Superman, Peacemaker, Supergirl,

966
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,760
those are like main characters. Now you gotta give them

967
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,559
all time. Even Lois, I could buy like, hey, she's

968
00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,880
just you know, she's the love interest, which I don't

969
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,159
like like that, But if that's what you want to

970
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:03,800
try and something on K fine, but I yeah, I

971
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,039
don't know. I'm I am very worried about Mantamore, especially

972
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,320
with the rate they're moving of like this in a weekend.

973
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,559
And then Manatimore he wrote a treatment and he's like, yeah,

974
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,480
it's all greenlight, good to go, even though he said

975
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,519
they're not gonna rereelay anything to the full script. It's like,

976
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:17,880
I get it, you want to get moving. Maybe it's

977
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,039
that idea of contract time and everything, but I I

978
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:24,360
feel like there's enough issues going on here, so let's

979
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,320
take our second ad break and we'll be right back

980
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,480
and we're back. Anything else on Rick Flake Senior or

981
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,280
that stuff that we need to talk about.

982
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,559
Speaker 1: You I already mentioned the like the love dynamic between

983
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:40,280
him and that lady. It's just it seems so shoehorned in,

984
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,039
not even need and she's like already suss of him

985
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,119
and like working with Hardcourt, like it's just so unneeded.

986
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:48,320
It was, yeah, like you didn't even have to have

987
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,559
them sleeping together. You could like have the same room

988
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,960
as result where she's just sussing it out and then

989
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,599
she meets I don't know, it's all bad, all bad

990
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:59,119
across the board for mister Rick Flagg.

991
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it was bad. Where again, I

992
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,119
think the scene has written great. I think the acting

993
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,320
is written great. But I remember in episode one they

994
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,880
did this, We're like, oh they ever gonna really talk

995
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,920
about this again? And same thing like the fade to black,

996
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:13,480
Like right, remember ads that a girlfriend fiance wife? We

997
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:16,559
should we should you know, wrap that up, we should

998
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:20,800
tell that storyline. And again I think if someone if

999
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,440
you were in an acting class and they're like, hey,

1000
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,079
I wrote the scene, I'm gonna act it as my performance. Right,

1001
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,320
They do that all the time. It came as a

1002
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,559
technical term, but it's like you kind of make a

1003
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,800
performance and you give that in a teacher real grady

1004
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,119
write if it was a scene like that, Oh this

1005
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,000
is fantastic. Some great dialogue here, you know at a

1006
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,119
barrow is like acting asshof, I believe it. Problem is,

1007
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,639
I'm not invested in this relationship at all because we

1008
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,440
only got very little of it in Peacemaker and one

1009
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,360
and then season two right away off screen were broken up.

1010
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:49,679
And then now it's like, yeah, we shouldn't be together.

1011
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,960
There's been no other conversations, there's been no other scenes

1012
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:55,440
there's been nothing, and they're supposed to expect me to

1013
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,760
really care about this relationship that they've invested zero time into,

1014
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,400
Like they should just done this episode one then have

1015
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:04,719
this big scene to be done. Like I just when

1016
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,480
she pulled up, I was like, oh, we're really doing

1017
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,519
this because to me, someone might be like, oh on

1018
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:12,599
the premiere you said they should continue it. Yeah, they

1019
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,880
should throughout the season, throughout the show, not just episode

1020
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,440
one and then episode eight. That does not count that

1021
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,199
to me, it's just like the this is for Ricky,

1022
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,159
that's just the cheap like, yeah, we gave you the answer,

1023
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:25,880
it's like you did. And the scene by itself is great,

1024
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,079
but man, again just was really disappointed of Yeah, the

1025
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,920
storyline really did nothing. And again, just break them up

1026
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,320
in season one for good forever. Do that scene there

1027
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,480
and then move along. And that could play into like

1028
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,320
why ADS needs Chris even more right because she's fully

1029
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,119
alone versus all they're kind of separated. Well they won't

1030
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,199
they get back together? And we didn't see when I'm

1031
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,079
gonna put you in danger? It's like when was she

1032
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:50,800
in danger this season? Really Chris was in danger? And

1033
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,960
then when Chris said, hey, they didn't do anything. It

1034
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,360
was all me. They're yeah, sure, ads, you're free. They

1035
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,400
didn't lock her up. You're like, it wasn't like they

1036
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,199
were not Like the only time she was in danger

1037
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,800
is when she went to the fucking nazi racist universe.

1038
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,920
So sure, if she brings her wife there, it's gonna

1039
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,360
be a problem. But yeah, all the salt really hollo

1040
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,760
out to me.

1041
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,559
Speaker 1: I completely agree one percent with what you said. I

1042
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,880
think they should have just ended it like episode one

1043
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,920
or two. I think you can make plays devil Devil's advocate.

1044
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,480
You could argue, well, like at a Bio has to

1045
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,159
go through that growth to realize that she's not compatible

1046
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,639
with her wife U because she has that one conversation

1047
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,440
with Judo Master. It's like a really quick scene and

1048
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,599
then and then it leads to this and like literally

1049
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,400
when when she's pulling up to talk to Kay or

1050
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,840
whatever her name was, I'm just like, oh, right, this character, Okay,

1051
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,119
she's gonna get back together, and then they're gonna be

1052
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,360
together for like next season. Like there's a reason why

1053
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,559
we why we stuck this character uh in this season

1054
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,440
and then just just end it last season. But no,

1055
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,639
it's just a breakup. Scene, and as you said, very

1056
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,320
well acted for both for both of them, Like I thought,

1057
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,880
it was a tremendously acted scene, and they like almost

1058
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,119
fooled me of like why, like this is the finale

1059
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:01,519
for peace Maker, I know, and this is what's happening.

1060
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,519
It was, Uh yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna repeat it.

1061
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,159
I completely agree with everything you said. It's just why

1062
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:11,239
are we even doing this? It's just it's not like

1063
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,119
I don't care, well, it is I don't care about

1064
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,280
the characters, and it's their fault for making me not

1065
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,840
care about these characters, And like, why are they showing

1066
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,880
me this this emotional scene at the end as if

1067
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,119
I'm like invested in the relationship. I'm not at all.

1068
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,480
I'm totally fine if they broke up between seasons. I

1069
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,119
think I was talking. I think I was critiquing that

1070
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:36,559
at the start of the episode one reviews, but I like,

1071
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,159
I don't even know the other alternative because I didn't

1072
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:40,880
have K at all in these It's not like I'm

1073
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,159
gonna be missing that character now going forward. So what

1074
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,320
a decision.

1075
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: Teor anything on the hats.

1076
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 3: In her I don't really have much.

1077
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,519
Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting them to just to kind of give

1078
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:54,960
us another scene here where she's like I'm here to

1079
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,360
let you go. It's like I already thought we fucking

1080
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,239
dealt with this before, so it just doesn't I don't know,

1081
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,039
I don't know what the point is. I'm not sure

1082
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,840
why James Gunn felt like this was an important story

1083
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,760
beat above other story beats to just make this prominent,

1084
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,280
Like I don't know the new show.

1085
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: He's announcing, just just at a bio k. But it's

1086
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,559
like a prequel. It's like because they're actually done now

1087
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:20,199
in the very important is.

1088
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:21,679
Speaker 2: The future of the dc U universe.

1089
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 3: It's something I would.

1090
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: Have loved to We won't be reviewing that one.

1091
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 4: What I would love to have gotten a follow up

1092
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,800
to is the whole like, uh do you do Greek thing?

1093
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: You know?

1094
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: That guy? Like here one client.

1095
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: I would have loved to have got in some kind

1096
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,360
of conclusion to the client, you.

1097
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: Know, yeah all right, James Gunn, Yeah, I don't think

1098
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,400
it worked out for so at that point they get Chris.

1099
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,000
We cover this a little bit, but they all do

1100
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,480
a speech about like Chris, you know you mean a

1101
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,719
lot to us and everything, which again I thought there's

1102
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,559
gonna be a moment there, but there's not one. Andrew's

1103
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,679
like you're my best friend and you make my life better.

1104
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,159
It's like, well the whole season's about shown like he's

1105
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,559
not like truly your best friend, and Chrismas never like yeah,

1106
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,440
you are always over there for me, Adrian. So I

1107
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:06,599
thought this scene was not I thought the ads scene

1108
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:09,119
was well written and direct and acted, but it just

1109
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,000
didn't make sense where I thought this scene was like fine,

1110
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,119
Like it just didn't like even when they're like Oconomos,

1111
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:15,599
he's a coward, but he sticks his neck for you

1112
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,119
and they go to him and his line is just

1113
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:19,960
like he nods his head. So I thought I thought

1114
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,840
this was like a little week. And like I said before,

1115
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,559
I didn't like Chris walking on the fucking room like

1116
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,480
to mean anything. It's like, no, man like that, we're

1117
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,639
too far gone. But of course hardcourts hasn't meant everything,

1118
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,119
so all right, cool, we're back on that train. I

1119
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,760
do like the you know, they play the song from

1120
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,840
whatever the band's name is. H I can't remember the

1121
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,559
song name too, because I got my life playoffs. I

1122
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,960
like the song, but it's the opening credits dance and

1123
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,920
he's doing those dances, so it's kind of like a

1124
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,960
fun like full circle moment where he's doing the same

1125
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:49,079
dances and the opening Creds they're playing the song because

1126
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,440
him and Hardcarter at the concert, So I kind of

1127
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,480
I like that kind of full circle moment. It is

1128
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:56,800
very fun. And then you're seeing the whole team set up,

1129
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,639
and that was the picture one they wanted to stick around,

1130
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:00,559
and then two they got an idea they're gonna do

1131
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,159
things themselves and change things, and they've decided to use

1132
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,840
Adrian's blood money to do some good right, and then

1133
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,880
they've opened up the Checkmate system. So what that is

1134
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,280
is from the comments, it is something I've not read them.

1135
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,760
It's tough because I've start with some people. Mike talked

1136
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,960
about this. I totally was Chris, but like most of

1137
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,960
the people I've seen talk about Checkmate is, it's a

1138
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,039
pretty like it. It's more on the serious side of

1139
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,960
things for DC property, And to me, it's like, one,

1140
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,159
all these characters that they introduced the team are not

1141
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,239
serious characters. And two of Jim's guns writing him it's

1142
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,360
not gonna be that. So again, I just don't know

1143
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,800
if any guns system around, And he did say that

1144
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,960
you will see the characters of this show in a

1145
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,519
different show, and it wouldn't be Peacemaker season three. He

1146
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,719
didn't say Peacemaker season three is completely done, but that's

1147
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,960
just not in the immediate plans. So yeah, I'll start

1148
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,960
with you, what do you think about this? Them creating

1149
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,679
their own kind of you know, system, their own job,

1150
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,159
and what would you would you be interested at all

1151
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:59,960
in a checkmate show with these characters? And I would

1152
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,519
assume I could be wrong, but I would assume San's

1153
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,559
Peacemaker because he would be gone for now, So I

1154
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,039
don't know. What did you think about this then putting

1155
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:09,000
their own thing together?

1156
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: I'm down for this and think could be a lot of.

1157
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: Fun as a concept for its own show.

1158
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,519
Speaker 4: Its own show, because most of these characters, even though

1159
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,719
they've been all with Argus, they've still just been you know,

1160
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,119
popping up along the way, and they just have really

1161
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:24,719
funny dialogue with each other.

1162
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: And I really really like that. Is it Meadows to Meadows?

1163
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:30,199
Speaker 2: Yeah? He did join the crew?

1164
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so he joined the crew, which I really liked.

1165
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,760
And again, just the stuff of them walking around the

1166
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,840
alternate reality and they're trying to open up doors and

1167
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,679
just him talking was just fucking hilarious. He was just

1168
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,000
killing it in this episode when he's talking about the

1169
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,519
guy like just you know, Cupie, is that his name?

1170
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,920
CUBEI the guy that got his face mauled off by

1171
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,159
a candy monsters?

1172
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Which I did not like that scene. I

1173
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,480
didn't like them months. I liked it when they'm there

1174
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,280
had a sound effect, but when they're like humping the helm,

1175
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,920
I'm just like, man, they just you know, sometimes can't

1176
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,199
help he just can't help it sometimes.

1177
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 4: Why is he implementing that kind of stuff in here?

1178
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,599
You know, just that's like just childish humor. But anyways,

1179
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:17,639
so h I think Tim Metals did a great job though,

1180
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,440
when he's just he's telling the story and wherever it's

1181
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:22,639
leading and it's just the guy just ended up puking

1182
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,719
and it's just there's it's just really really funny, and

1183
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,239
I think he did.

1184
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: A good like that that took too long for me,

1185
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,199
and the payoff was not worth it, Like the payoff.

1186
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 3: Was not the payoff is not worth it.

1187
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,199
Speaker 4: But I liked him just try like getting there and

1188
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,880
trying to set up everything because just the way he

1189
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,880
was selling it and telling it really was starting to

1190
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,599
make me laugh, but not as funny as Oh no,

1191
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:48,239
he wasn't, didn't. No, I'm getting that confused with Judo Master,

1192
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,840
which I'm also happy that Judah Master is part of

1193
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,119
the team too. Again, all the excuse me, chemistry between

1194
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:57,639
all these characters is really uh it's it's something I

1195
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,519
look forward to if we get that season three, or

1196
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,000
if we get them somewhere else. I mean, I can't see.

1197
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,400
I can't see really a reason why you'd have like

1198
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Superman teaming up with this crew.

1199
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: Check me. I think the crew would be separate. I

1200
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,880
think the idea is that Peacemaker is gonna move over

1201
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,199
to more of the mainline stuff and then Checkmate's gonna

1202
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,440
be its own thing where that's where I'm opposite of you.

1203
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,199
I don't know if I need this as a show.

1204
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,920
I think if you say it's Checkmate and Peacemaker's there.

1205
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,320
But it's just one of those things where someonemes they

1206
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,199
don't know if a crew needs or a character needs

1207
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:30,519
a spin off show or movie, and it's just like

1208
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,400
and I just I guess you made it for a

1209
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,239
cheap budget. I don't know how you saw that show out.

1210
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,519
John Cena unless they get some other big activity along,

1211
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,239
Like I just don't I love to Meadows and don't

1212
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,880
get wrong, Steve Agee or whatever you say, his name

1213
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,440
was fantastic this season. Like when they when he's telling

1214
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,400
that story and he's like all the proms game you

1215
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,679
see it, and uh, oh this is like that there

1216
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,400
was no proms. I say, fuck you, man, Like his

1217
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,880
delivery is so damn good at these lines they give him,

1218
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:56,360
but like a.

1219
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,159
Speaker 1: Checkmate the other guy, he's like, what do you think

1220
00:53:58,199 --> 00:53:58,480
of it?

1221
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,519
Speaker 2: He's like, there was less. It's not idiot like like

1222
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,760
I don't know, I would have to see, but it's

1223
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,199
not something where they announced the Checkmate show. I'm like, man,

1224
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,159
I can't fucking wait for that because I just I'm

1225
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:12,719
sure James Gunn will be like, oh, it's sets the

1226
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,119
next chapter of the DCU and it's a vital piece

1227
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,840
and yet da I just like I think, I just

1228
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,400
like the concept of let's eventually just wait till I

1229
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,280
do Peacemaker season three and the Checkmate unit is in there.

1230
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,039
I don't know if I need Checkmate without John Cena

1231
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,760
because they're not making Peace for Maker season three. Gun

1232
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,960
said tonight as right, like the plans for the media

1233
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,199
future and peacemakers in Superman, so clearly he would not

1234
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,280
be in this show. And I I know, even though

1235
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,039
for some reason don't know why, I've I'm very hit

1236
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,199
or miss with the vigilante Adrian character. Him and Tim

1237
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,880
Meadows together that had me going good. I don't know why.

1238
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:47,159
I was like the two of them together, that's like

1239
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,559
a weird like oh, it's almost like Tim Midl's characters

1240
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,719
found someone more annoying than him, and he was like,

1241
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,400
what the fuck's wrong to dude, Like do you really

1242
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,039
even know anything? But spiders absolutely like oh it says

1243
00:54:56,039 --> 00:55:00,320
when they molted together, like what are you mult and is?

1244
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: But it goes to the shot of like Tim Meadows

1245
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,719
like reading off the computer and it's like spiders have

1246
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,280
hydraulic legs, like like just like the fact like I

1247
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,039
don't know what bullshit website he's on, but just every

1248
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:14,840
fact he's reading on He's like, no, yeah, it says

1249
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,800
it's right here. They milk. You know you can buy it.

1250
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,119
Speaker 3: It holds the whole food store.

1251
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: Fuck. Yeah, they were getting me going. Tim Meadows was

1252
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,559
hundred percent for me, Like even even the scene I

1253
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,400
didn't love, like the payoff by any means. But it's

1254
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,840
just Tim Meadows going off when he's talking about the

1255
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,239
with the gargantinous fucking titties and he's just going on, Yeah,

1256
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,559
he's fantastic.

1257
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kirkland, same question. You want to checkmate, show them

1258
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,079
these characters.

1259
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,519
Speaker 1: What. I don't think I'm asking for the show, but

1260
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,119
well know, will I watch it? Maybe I thought I

1261
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:56,079
was gonna be watching chapter uh Strangers, chapter two, but

1262
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,760
that doesn't happen yet, So you know, I.

1263
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: Think that would be us watching the first episode and

1264
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,960
the listener's dictating if that's something that's needed, you.

1265
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: Know, or like what's on the schedule around that.

1266
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: Exactly, because I just like, unless there's something.

1267
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: Right the situation, David.

1268
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: Corn Sweat is in. He is in check made as

1269
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,000
the main guy, which we didn't get. We didn't get.

1270
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,239
I thought, for sure we get Superman. I thought Gun

1271
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:23,199
was lying about that, but he wasn't. So so they

1272
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,599
set that up. They all they did like fucking ten

1273
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,239
soule motion shots of them walking out of the building. Cool.

1274
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,320
I get it. It's a bunch of rag tag people

1275
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,960
like Garians all together and squad I understand. Cool. So

1276
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:36,559
that happens, fades the black. You think it's over right,

1277
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:38,079
all that's the end, and then all of a sudden,

1278
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,599
Chris is getting at his home, boom hood over his head,

1279
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,039
throwing a van. He gets taken to the facility. Also,

1280
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,000
we talked about a bit about this with Broog fakes

1281
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:50,159
Senior's storyline. But they get him, they bring him the portal,

1282
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:51,480
and we did talk about this a little bit too.

1283
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,679
But he's pitching this place called Salvation to the government

1284
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:55,880
as far as it's gonna be a place where we

1285
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,719
lock up meta humans, and he said, like maybe some

1286
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,920
other people, it'll be all in the paperwork. Again, very

1287
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,760
very shady guy, like just overly shady, not even like

1288
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,320
a clever Like he's even more shady than Lex wasn't Superman,

1289
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,239
which like Lex still like hit it a little bit.

1290
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,119
This is like this guy has completely alteriered of motivations

1291
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,239
and just a bad guy. But whatever, fuck it, fine,

1292
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,880
we'll do that. He throws him through this portal, closes

1293
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,440
it and he just said, oh, we need someone to test.

1294
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,199
He's like, all, thanks for being a volunteer, because I

1295
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:23,400
guess Chris did sign something earlier that volunteered him to

1296
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,760
do that, so he has closed off into another dimension.

1297
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,760
This dementia is just fully wooded forest area. We hear

1298
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,360
some stuff going on, and yes, this is from the

1299
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,360
comic books where there's a place called the Salvation Run.

1300
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,280
It is like this where Amanda Waller and Rick Flagg

1301
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,400
did have the idea to just let's throw meta humans

1302
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,360
and no judge jury. Let's just get him in there.

1303
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,400
And then eventually, I've never read it, eventually, guest, somehow

1304
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,039
dark Side learns about this and uses like a training

1305
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,280
ground or something. I don't know if they're gonna go there.

1306
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,239
They could, because I have heard people be like, well,

1307
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,039
if you do dark Side, that's gonna be a lot

1308
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:57,079
of people. Think about the Snyder Verse majority of people,

1309
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:58,840
and I know what people are gonna hate searing. This

1310
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,320
majority of the people world saw the theatrical Justice League

1311
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,880
in the theaters and dark Side was nowhere fucking near

1312
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,400
that movie. They just think it's bad cgi Stepwolf. So

1313
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:09,239
people are like, oh, man, I don't know that's Zach

1314
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,639
started that Nan like no, I'm not. Don't get me wrong,

1315
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:13,760
I understand that, but it's like no, Like that was

1316
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,119
a plot line in a movie that came out during COVID.

1317
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:17,920
That was a bunch of years later and now it

1318
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,519
has been what because that came out in twenty twenty

1319
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,960
right snart cut or twenty one twenty right.

1320
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: It's around COVID.

1321
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: No, th it was twenty right not. Yeah, so looked

1322
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,760
that up. So like, if that's the case, by time

1323
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,400
they get the Dark Side one okay, so and even then,

1324
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,719
by time they get the Dark Side, it's gonna be

1325
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,039
like probably like a decade later. Like, so I think

1326
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,960
that could be something. And Jim's Gunn did say that

1327
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:40,840
this is setting up the future where the DCU is going.

1328
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:43,519
I don't know exactly what that's gonna mean because I've

1329
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:45,599
not read the Salvation Run. Hey maybe comic versions we

1330
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:49,239
would uh maybe do that. But yeah, I guess that's

1331
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:51,360
the idea that they're gonna start locking meta humans up here.

1332
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,360
And I'm not sure if it's gonna be if it's

1333
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,280
where Superman gets locked up or flex Luthor is the

1334
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,360
person that decides to use these meta humans as like

1335
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,400
I can get you out if you do me favor.

1336
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,760
I really don't know the only thing I want from

1337
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,119
this and to me, if this does not happen, it's

1338
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,199
a huge fumble because Chris is left there, no weapons,

1339
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:13,519
no peace maker stuff, anything like that to me. In Superman,

1340
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,480
they're or sorry, Man of Tomorrow, Supman two. You know

1341
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:18,199
it's not a sequel, So not a sequel Supman, but

1342
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:21,800
Man of Tomorrow that if they go here, they need

1343
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,239
to do Rob Williams jumanju John Cena, he needs to

1344
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,119
have the long hair, big beard and he's crazed. If

1345
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:30,000
it's just like a couple of weeks later they bump

1346
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:33,320
into Chris, No, you know why, because John Cena can

1347
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,440
fucking nail that out of the park. If just to

1348
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:37,840
maass a segment where Lex and Superman are going through

1349
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,840
a bunch of shit and they land in the Salvation

1350
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,679
Run and the only person to help them and where

1351
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:44,320
things are is a craze John sena with the Rob

1352
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,000
Williams jumansh. You look, I won't say it's all worth it,

1353
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:48,760
but that'll give me some points of like, Okay, this

1354
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,320
could be tons of fun. If it's just Chris and

1355
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,360
he's clean shaven and it's just the same old guy

1356
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,320
with like a little dirtied up, it's like, what are

1357
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,480
we doing here? So I don't know, like I've not

1358
00:59:57,559 --> 00:59:59,880
read it, so I don't have that excitement, but also

1359
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:03,880
the pitch of Okay, a bunch of meta humans get

1360
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,360
locked here and you know, dark Side eventually finds him

1361
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,519
does some terrible shit, which I agree with Mike. Yeah,

1362
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,000
he's the final boss. We got to the Dark Sight

1363
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:12,840
at some point. But to me, it's not like I

1364
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,199
don't I'm like, oh man, this sounds like a great storyline.

1365
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,280
I can't wait to see. Like I don't get me wrong,

1366
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,000
I'll be there, give it a chance. But I'm not

1367
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:21,760
like frothing at the mouth of this idea. And maybe

1368
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,079
it's just because it's like another multiverse thing where we

1369
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:26,280
got so much of it. It's like, Okay, that's gonna

1370
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,559
be another concept. I guess there's more multiverse stuff. So yeah,

1371
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:31,119
what do we think of this idea of it gonna

1372
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:32,960
be a big plot point going forward of them using

1373
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,239
the Salvation Place to lock up meta humans and I

1374
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:37,519
guess enemies like Peacemaker all together.

1375
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: Uh. Major monts drink vibes with the uh when he

1376
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:47,719
goes the with the Abominable Snowman, that was like the

1377
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,599
first thing I thought. It is, like, the scene is

1378
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:51,519
so similar when they like shut the door and he

1379
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:57,440
runs at it and he falls. But I I think

1380
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,360
I'm fifty two in the post on this, and like

1381
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,880
it's not because I'm against it, it's just like, Okay,

1382
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,880
I have no attachment to this idea. I don't know

1383
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,440
any history of the comic book. We didn't we didn't

1384
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:12,360
jump into that in the comic book versions or anything

1385
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,800
like that. But it it's like, I I think I'm

1386
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,239
intrigued by kind of what you pitched of, Like, okay,

1387
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,760
like what's gonna happen when we find Peacemaker next? Like

1388
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,320
that's the most enticing thing for me. Now not so

1389
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,519
much because this could be potentially like, uh, what is

1390
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,960
it the rumor requirement from Harry Potter, Like like that

1391
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:32,960
type of thing where like the students are training like

1392
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,719
that type of aspect for a dark Side. I hated

1393
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,519
the pitch. I don't like reflag, don't like for so

1394
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:43,920
like when he's pitching it and the guy he's like,

1395
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,119
this seems just like Lex Luthor. Oh now it seems

1396
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:49,280
like you are just Lex Luthor pitching his ideas and

1397
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,440
he's like not even shutting it down. It's like, okay, well,

1398
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:53,880
let me work with this. It's like dude. Fuck these

1399
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,280
like government entities in the in the universe. They're just

1400
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,800
so fucking stupid. And it's probably even worse in real life.

1401
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,320
Uh it's it is even worse in real life because

1402
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,000
we actually have to deal with the repercussions. We can't

1403
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,880
just have this escapism in these artificial worlds. But uh, yeah,

1404
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,239
I don't know. I'm I'm open to being really swayed

1405
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,039
on this idea of salvation. Looks like a nice place,

1406
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:18,480
seems like a nice place that he can he can

1407
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:21,719
make his own. Do they like Rick Flag and team,

1408
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,519
Do they know everything about this place or it's just

1409
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:26,440
like you can't access it unless unless.

1410
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: I feel like they have some stats on it, right,

1411
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,440
because they're like, we found the perfect one.

1412
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:30,079
Speaker 3: This is it.

1413
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 4: So it's not on the creatures though, I mean to Taylor,

1414
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:37,039
sounded like dinosaurs.

1415
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: I saw a meme.

1416
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,639
Speaker 4: Earlier where it was like, imagine if they had like

1417
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:43,800
the teen Titans that popped up and there's a t

1418
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,039
Rex in behind the teen Titans, Well, that's just greandom.

1419
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: I think that's just beast Boy who can turn into

1420
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:49,679
the animals.

1421
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,639
Speaker 1: That'd be cool. Giant Green, that'd be cool.

1422
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 2: And then Rob passons. Batman's beside him. I got here,

1423
01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:58,559
I was trapped.

1424
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: He's looking at the camera.

1425
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: It's like breaking the fourth wall.

1426
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: Let me out.

1427
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,199
Speaker 2: That's me the James Gun. What are you done?

1428
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 4: Is he a meta human or is the peace maker

1429
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,360
level pat Batman? Yeah, no, this is a dude, just

1430
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,920
a dude, Okay, okay, So he's a peacemaker.

1431
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: Ask her that one would have got in that fucking portal.

1432
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,000
He would a new roof, flag was coming, you know,

1433
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,960
not a chance, a chance he would have turned around

1434
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,719
through a flag in that thing, and so like, you know,

1435
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:36,599
sucks about your dead kid, and then close the portal.

1436
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:37,639
You know, that would have been it. He would have

1437
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:39,079
bought everybody there, all those people.

1438
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,079
Speaker 3: You guys all signed your volunteers.

1439
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: Uncanny Suit says, feels like there was a lot of

1440
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,760
mispotential in the season with the overall earth X. I

1441
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,159
think we all kind of agree with Argust, Sasha Proto

1442
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,039
or Flag's character pretty whelmed overall. Yeah, when you put

1443
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:56,480
like that with a bunch of stuff in the road,

1444
01:03:56,519 --> 01:03:58,880
there's I think that it goes again. A lot of

1445
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,840
those fucking episodes in thirty eight minutes, thirty five minutes

1446
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,199
it's like, all right, we don't go and lots of

1447
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:07,840
episodes too. I feel like there's a complete, full filler

1448
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,639
episode in this. But uh, Taylor, the initial pitch before

1449
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:12,159
we end this, what do you think about this idea

1450
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:15,719
of DC head towards some meta humans being locked together

1451
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,000
and I imagine having to work together. Maybe that's how

1452
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,440
some teams are formed, et cetera.

1453
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:23,039
Speaker 4: I mean, we've we saw this not just limited to

1454
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,480
meta humans with uh Superman right where LEAs had his

1455
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:31,360
little interdimensional world portal where he was locking up anyone

1456
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,800
that he just didn't like. This is we did already

1457
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,719
do this, So this is you know, James Gunn just

1458
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:37,880
fucking loves this theory.

1459
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:40,079
Speaker 2: He's gonna be with heroes this time, though, it's gonna

1460
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:41,679
be the characters we know, I guess, right.

1461
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:45,719
Speaker 4: Right right, So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what

1462
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,079
comes out of it. I mean, I'm not really running

1463
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:52,039
and rushing for this this kind of idea, but uh, yeah,

1464
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:56,880
I don't know. I I would like to see your

1465
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,440
your pitch where he does have little scraggly hair and

1466
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,079
he got old John Jie coming out of that portal.

1467
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:04,079
I think that would really really be funny and really

1468
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:07,920
something because I mean, at this point, Rick Flagg Senior

1469
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,400
is expecting him to die in there, and I would

1470
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:11,679
love to see him just come back.

1471
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 3: And then it could.

1472
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:16,519
Speaker 4: Even be a thing where like maybe and this is

1473
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:21,239
a stretch, but his brother from the Nazi world manages

1474
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,199
to find him and saves him or something like that,

1475
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,559
like that whole Keith, Yeah, that whole world inter dimensional

1476
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:30,039
rift where they're walking. I mean, it's not just limited

1477
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,440
just to them, right, you could see the alien come

1478
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,159
out with the rat and through the rat and the fire,

1479
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:36,920
but then even sitting here through his door, Keith could

1480
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,599
bring a whole army and then just fighting them. Right,

1481
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,719
So there's a lot of cons still here, and you

1482
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:45,760
can't forget about Keith, even though in this episode they

1483
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,559
instilled like, oh, I killed my brother and I killed

1484
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:53,159
my dad, and from this perfect universe or whatever, Amelia

1485
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,440
didn't come forward and say, hey, technically you didn't kill

1486
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,239
your brother, Like your brother Keith is still alive out there,

1487
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,320
which creates than that.

1488
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is like it's fine because we kind of

1489
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:05,039
knew this is gonna happen. But man, really, Rick Flegg

1490
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,519
Junior was just that one cameo. AI was just sleep

1491
01:06:07,519 --> 01:06:09,159
with Hardcourt the sex season and.

1492
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: Then depending whatever they do later.

1493
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:13,079
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like they could bring him back

1494
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:14,880
if they do a third season or something.

1495
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 2: A lot of laters, but but he'd be rating here.

1496
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:22,559
That's true, that's true. Anything else before we do an

1497
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:25,519
overall right in here for the season. Many the most

1498
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:31,400
bring my notes just to be sure. Are you sure

1499
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:33,800
my notes didn't save? So fuck me right?

1500
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: I have him here somewhere, no notes, no notes for me.

1501
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,840
That's all the time I can buy for you at

1502
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:44,519
this point in time.

1503
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 2: No, that's it. Yeah, I will. Maybe I'm the lowest.

1504
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,320
I will give this season a six at ten. I

1505
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,519
think there's episodes that are lower than that, but I

1506
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:59,320
think there is still some stuff that's enjoyable, enjoyable. But yeah,

1507
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,320
six at ten for me.

1508
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

1509
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: As I said in the opening, not too hype about

1510
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,039
the DC right now. I really need Green Lanch and

1511
01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:07,079
super Girl to deliver not the worst thing ever. I

1512
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:09,639
just was hoping for more. So it's just like, oh,

1513
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,880
that's fine, it's still good. I've passed Superman, I passed Peacemaker. Definitely,

1514
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,519
it's in a more downward trajectory. But Yeah, not loving this,

1515
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:21,079
and I definitely prefer Peacemakers Season one felt way more fulfilled,

1516
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:25,360
way more like a full season, fun surprises, and yeah,

1517
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:27,320
just didn't have the same effect here.

1518
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:31,719
Speaker 1: So six that ten for me, all Right, I will

1519
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:34,719
throw a stone a little bit higher above your score.

1520
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:38,039
I'm gonna go seven point twenty five on this review.

1521
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,400
Couldn't quite give it seven point five. Just really don't

1522
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,880
like what they did, Like Rick Flag just major doo

1523
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,159
dooo Kaca and then yeah, just just like finale. I

1524
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,320
think this could have maybe jumped like a whole point

1525
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,480
potentially if this finale really hit. But it was really

1526
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:01,039
really really flat for me. But like positives acting across

1527
01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:04,119
the whole war was really really stealear even k even Ka,

1528
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,679
she was good for what she was in it.

1529
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1530
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,719
Speaker 1: Tim Meadows though, like major gold star for me, Like

1531
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,559
he was just so fantastic and I'm I'm excited that

1532
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:16,319
he wasn't just killed off in the season, you know,

1533
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,439
like like we can get some more Tim Meadows. I

1534
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,720
want him to be like, uh, like what's his name,

1535
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:28,359
Jimmy Will Jimmy Randall Park, like like that type of

1536
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,239
character where he's just he's just in the universe, like

1537
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,840
bouncing around places. You know, he usually sticks to around

1538
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,560
the ant man stuff, but like he's very much his

1539
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,560
own character now, Like I want that for Tim Meadows.

1540
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,960
I want I don't want to just be constrained to this.

1541
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,520
But who knows. Maybe that's what's the Checkmate thing is

1542
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,439
going to be, or it sounds like that's what it's

1543
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,840
going to be the least. But yeah, disappointing because I

1544
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,159
was like, they fooled me. I wasn't super hype for

1545
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,000
the season, and then they had me, and then they

1546
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:54,640
kind of lost me along the way. So I kind

1547
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,399
of wish they didn't even have me. But I don't know.

1548
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,520
There's there's I do like the character p Maker. Ever

1549
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,880
since the Suicide Squad, I've been a big fan of him.

1550
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,279
So yeah, it's tough. It's it's it's not like it's

1551
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,479
like such a toxic relationship where I'm just like, hey,

1552
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,399
there's no positive I gotta get the fuck out of this.

1553
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,359
I'm done with Peacemaker, I'm done with this universe. There

1554
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,039
is enough positive traits that I want to be invested in,

1555
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:19,800
but just treat me wrong here with the with the

1556
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:25,000
Frank Rillos in there, that's all say, I'll pass along.

1557
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 4: Oh I'm gonna meet uh meet in the middle here

1558
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:30,439
kind of just go seven.

1559
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 3: So not lower than you, Travis, higher than you Kirkland.

1560
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,079
Speaker 4: Again, as this episode, these episodes kept coming out, I

1561
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,079
feel like, Okay, I was getting more and more on board,

1562
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:42,359
but I think I would still put that first season

1563
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:47,319
over this, uh for sure. I just the finale was

1564
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,239
really really damaging. Not happy with how they did certain

1565
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:54,000
things and executed other narratives and just their focuses and

1566
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:58,000
how they're expediting things. It was just it was not

1567
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,960
not my cup of tea. Is a shame because, like

1568
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,039
I said, things were progressively getting better. Last week's episode

1569
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:08,039
was absolutely a highlight. Really enjoyed it, but yeah, a

1570
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:11,880
last this is what we got fifty eight minutes, and

1571
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:17,000
it just didn't bring or make the most of that time.

1572
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 3: Unfortunately.

1573
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 4: It just felt like there was a lot of setup,

1574
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,680
which I don't know. I feel like it's been a

1575
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,239
while since I've seen a big Game of Thrones. You

1576
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:27,520
see this thing where like the you get to that

1577
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,960
second final episode that would be like the big battle,

1578
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,760
the big thing whatever, and then you'd have like that

1579
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,479
one fall off or not fall off, but like post

1580
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,000
episode at the end of like episode twelve or thirteen

1581
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:39,079
of season one or two, and that would just kind

1582
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,239
of give you, like the cool down, and it would

1583
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:42,720
just kind.

1584
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,159
Speaker 3: Of set things up for what's to come next and

1585
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:45,680
so forth.

1586
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 4: I feel like that's what happened here, but I don't

1587
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,920
like it in this sense. I wish that, you know,

1588
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,039
in this sense, it would have been more of like

1589
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:57,319
a start to finish cohesive story, especially when you have

1590
01:10:57,399 --> 01:11:00,279
James Gunn saying like, oh, you know season three, yeah,

1591
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,479
twenty years from now?

1592
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 3: Who knows? So not a full quote from.

1593
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: Twenty years season three. Yeah, well, there he goes le Jean,

1594
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,159
we have done it. Let us know. So we got

1595
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:14,920
the discord, let us know what you thought about the

1596
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,840
finale on Twitter, YouTube, Discord, Patreon, wherever it may be.

1597
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,199
And then yeah, we'll be back for more DCU stuff.

1598
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:22,720
I guess we don't have a date for Lanterns, but

1599
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,479
I'm gonna assume we're talking about today. It's probably anywhere

1600
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,119
from March to April, because they're kicking the year off

1601
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,279
with the Night of the Seven Kingdoms or whatever the

1602
01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:32,840
game thrown. So that's gonna go January to February, so

1603
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,640
I imagine March April we'll be back talking about that, and yeah,

1604
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,000
hopefully hopefully it's a more overall obviously not a super negative.

1605
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,439
It's not. We're not talking about some alien Earth endings here,

1606
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,039
but obviously I would like I hope we soon get

1607
01:11:46,079 --> 01:11:48,920
a DCU project where we're all in sync and we're

1608
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,079
giving it like a ten or nine, you know, something

1609
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:53,800
like that would be great. But maybe it's Lanterns. Maybe

1610
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,359
it's not until that too. I don't count that as DCU.

1611
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:04,319
You know that's not it's gonna be. I'm gonna alright,

1612
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,319
let's get out. Thank you very much, promising your next

1613
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:08,199
will be boring.

1614
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: H