Speaker 1: I'll take the upload.
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and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Peacemaker season two reviews.
But this is a special one because it is the
season two finale. Yeah, that's it for season two. We're
gonna talk about this episode non spoilers, spoilers, and then
give an OVALL rating number for the entire season. I
am the prawn Dress. Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 1: I am giant fucking titties s Kirklan Patzer and it's
actually gargantuan, but I was I was a rush to
make the cast, so.
Speaker 2: I oh, I will check what he actually said.
Speaker 1: I would have never meadows quote.
Speaker 2: I would have never corrected you, you know so, and
then we're here with nobody yet Taylors on his way.
We're starting a little early here so we can get
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very fun time. And yeah, so Peacemaker Season two finale,
Tay there still on here, So I'm gonna throw to
mister Kirkling because that's the only per second throw.
Speaker 1: So what do you think start with Taylor?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh well, of course the first five minutes. I
gotta get his thoughts on that. You know, there's some
some action going on, and I'm sure he was just like,
look at this massin would you I feel like if
I did this for you?
Speaker 1: You know, I was actually gonna open my thoughts with
a question for Taylor, but I don't have to wait
for him to get here.
Speaker 2: You have to wait. So, yeah, what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: Now what am I thinking? Yeah, I mean this season
I had a really fun time with it. I think
the humor across the board was up there. I think
season one, like looking back on it, I thought that
season was hilarious, and I think there was not. Like
I don't know, I haven't rewatched season one, but like
in my mind, I just remember it being hilarious like
all the time. And in this one, I feel like
I didn't have like as consistent of laughs, but it
definitely reached those levels of humor. Tim Meadows for me
was like like ninety percent just fantastic. Like I feel
like it was really really small percentage of his jokes
around him that didn't work for me. He was just
so fantastic. In this episode, He's a sequence that just
had me Jamie dying and it's it's basically the scene
that ties in with my name, and it's just him
like going off like I'm curious how much gun like
kinda like she hearded him or just like hey, just
just do your thing, man. Just you're You're fantastic, whether
he's improving or not or going off script, just just fantastic.
And what else. Yeah, I mean, our main cast was fantastic. Also,
I really really enjoyed all of them. I still just
felt unsatisfied though, Like in this episode, it definitely was like, Okay,
the peak event of like the season, I think was
last week's episode, and this is kind of like the
epilogue episode, but like there's still decent juice stuff that
happens in here, and like there is some adventure and
like stuff going on in this episode. It's not like
it's a complete just like drama off of last week.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think just the trauma of last week's
almost non existence for this episode as a modern sport
to be honest, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And I think I was just like very
head scratched by the end of it, of like, wow,
that's it. That's the season two. And there's a pretty
lengthy like end credit here that I can't remember if
it's an end credit or if credits haven't even rolled
by this.
Speaker 2: Point, or is the comedic stuff for the dramatic the
dramatic stuff that's not even credit, that's a fade back
and then boom there's more. Yeah, the credits was more
of the jokes and they were.
Speaker 1: So used to like marvels and comic book stuff. Just
having those mid credits, end credits, all the credits.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 1: It like that happened, and I'm like, I feel like
this could have been a part of the season instead
of just like a really quick thing at the end
of the show to just be like, yeah, this is
what's going on now, progressing forward with the story, and
like it just felt like lazy of like, oh fuck,
we forgot to like tie in something, so let's just
put this in a fade to black, like that's really
did trend on X And it's like pretty sick too,
like like like like what's happening of just I don't
know what's going on with a certain characters. So I
was a little bit puzzled that that wasn't like included
on like getting this in the season. But but who knows,
because I did enjoy the vast majority of what was
going on, But I I'm definitely wishing I had more
of the season, So I guess that's speaking to the
level of enjoyment I had because I'm sad it's over,
but this episode just felt like the most Wow, there's
like a whole other course on the menu that I
just I'm missing out on. I just have to go
to a meeting or something. You know, I have to
dip out of this this this awesome dinner.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I'll go next because I know Taylor
did just get here. We're joined by.
Speaker 3: I'm the Yosamite Taylor Fields.
Speaker 2: It is a callback, but I'll go because I'm not
sure where Taylor is where I know where I am,
and I like to try to balance or views and whatnot.
But some people in the chat, I'm saying this season
was amazing until this episode, and that's funny. I feel
like that has been for the people that really enjoyed
the season. I've seen a lot of people, whether they
say it's bad or disappointing or unsatisfied, just feels like
this episode overall for almost most people didn't work. We'll
find about for Taylor because obviously Kerkan just really enjoyed
the season, but this episode maybe had some issues. And
then Hunter's asking you all this.
Speaker 1: Good stuff in this episode, but it's just like we're
we're leaving now, like this is the finale. Like that.
I think that's my biggest hold.
Speaker 2: Up and Hunter, we will talk about that once you
get the spoils section. I don't want to say it
because you're comment tot some spoilers and just in case
someone can't listen this or they just want to know
non spoils for now, we're going to talk about obviously
what because there's you know, some revelations of where the
DCU is going, so they delivered on that. So yeah,
it's it's interesting on a multitude of front. I'm somebody
that I Season one really surprised me end up liking that.
I have made no secret that Season one, for me,
it's very superior to this and this episode didn't do
anything to change that. If anything, had just brought the
score down for this season a lot more. I thought
this season was bad, Luckily, I think there was some
bad stuff in it, but just like there's some great
stuff in as well. I think this season overall has
just been like good to all right, and this finale
was you said it the best, like just kind of
a head scratcher. Overall, we're tackling some big things that
didn't even feel like the season was about the core
issue of this finale, which was super odd. There's one
character which I know Kirkland doesn't like, but there's one
character that was acting I felt completely like out of
nowhere and it's a character we've seen it from multiple times,
and I was waiting, Oh, there must be a reveal,
you know, someone's controlling the character, something's going on. No,
it just feels like we miss so much backstory, and
I like you said that back portion of the fade
to black. To me, it almost feels like this whole
episode if you were to tell me, hey, this was
actually a episode one for season three. Piece maker Like, oh,
I believe that more because this feels like a setup
for a bunch of stuff. And that's where I am.
Because so for the show overall, I don't think this
episode was really that good. There's some good stuff in it,
but I don't think there's multiple issues, or I don't
think I think there is multiple issues that I have
with it, And over all the season is very kind
of forgettable for me. I'm not going to be that
excited for Peacemaker season three or whatever, which we'll talk
about the spoilers that they're kind of hinting at for
the DCU. Honestly, I'm still very meh on it so far.
I don't dislike it, and obviously it's tough because we
live in a world where you have Marvel, and then
you have everything else that's kind of shitty, right, You
have like the Mummy universe that tried, you have like
the Sony Marvel which wasn't good. You get the DCU,
which end up being messy. So like, as cinematic universes,
this is probably yeah, solid number two. You know, I
guess you get the Conjuring Conjuring. Actually, I'd put the
Conjuring over dc right now, because hey, there's no fucking
project in the DCU like the Conjuring in the first movie, right,
But for cinematic universes, there's not many of them, right,
So at least the good thing I'll say is that
it's well made. From a technical level, it's well acted,
and they do know where they're going, and that's one thing.
But as far as the quality so far, Superman I
thought was it was good, and this to me is
like it's good to But I've been disappointed with each
and both of those Always I thought more excited for
those projects than these two guys. So it's just kind
of funny. Now I'll at the back half. So I'm
really hoping and maybe this is it that the next
two projects we got we got Green Lanterns and then
we got Supergirl. Both of those are not written or
directed by James Gunn. I'm really hoping it is just
a case that I've said before, I prefer James Gunn
when he has maybe someone working with him, like a
Figy or Marvel. I think sometimes when he's off the
leash for me, it doesn't really work out. Other than
I'd say Peacemaker season one, his DC stuff I haven't
absolutely loved, so Green Lanterns and Supergirl for me, is
a big tester of is it just the James gun
project or is all the DCU stuff kind of be
like this? Because he did say, oh, you know, there's
not really gonna be homeworking stuff. I don't know. I
felt like a lot of this stuff in this episode
felt like it was like you'll have and we'll see
when we get to Man Tomore and other stuff. But
it felt like you would kind of have to know
at least a few things going in right, and that's
a good thing. I'll be a good tester because Emily's
never gonna watch Peacemaker. She'll see Superman, so I'll get
to ask her when we see like, hey, what a that?
And I'm sure you can explain it in a dialogue
sense where you can just have a character exposition for
a couple of minutes, right, But my thing is, the
ending of the show does not feel like an ending
to this show. It feels like an ending to the universe,
which I felt like Gunn said he didn't want to
try and do the marvel thing because that end up
with the Marvels stuff where people sort of complain, hey,
there's too much going on and too much to follow.
So there's that. So there's the quality to me was
the universe to me is and then the other thing
that I don't care as much about, but the biggest
thing that's been on social media is James Gunn being like, man,
these three episodes, I hadn't shown them to my publicist,
were not shown them to the critics. There's gonna and
I have the quote here. Let me bring up the
quote for what he said quote. We know, yeah, I
don't know. It's it's long, in the fifty seven minutes.
It's fifty eight minutes, very very fun. I don't enjoy
his online humor. I really don't.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The quote was this is a little spoilry, but you
can read into what it is. We have some really
big big stars from the dc universe that are going
to be in the near the end of the season
other than the one we got a couple of weeks
ago in a prison. What did we get here? What
are the big big stars?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What are the surprises? So I just like that's my
thing where it's just from the quality standpoints not there
for me and the stuff that Gun talks about to
get us excited and hyped, I just I keep feeling
kind of underwhelmed by it. And I will say this again,
Merger Bros. I'm sorry. I do not want after Superman
and especially after this, I do not want Rob passing
anywhere fucking near the DCU like I do. I So
help me, God or Devil, whoever's out there, I'll sell
the soul like conjuring last rites. I'll do something because
it's just like man, I just do not want him
around this stuff. Let reason at least finish two and
even if that's it, that's fine, because yeah, just right now,
so Peacemaker, this finale I don't think was good. I
think this season was fine, and for the overall DCU,
I'm not really I I will be there because I
like it enough, but I'm not like, oh man, I
can't wait. I'm exc for Supergirl because I think Millie
Allcock looks great in that role, so I think that's
gonna be a great performance, just like David Quorn sweat
he was great in Superman right, same as John Cena,
he's great in the show. Performances again, are all great acting,
zero complaints really overall for the most part, in most
of these projects so far. But it's the actual quality
of this show that and this finale was was was
an odd one. So yeah, I wasn't a big fan
of this. So uh Taylor Field, oh.
Speaker 3: Not a fan.
Speaker 2: Not a fan of this finale those first five minutes
you saw that, and you were already on a nosedive,
Like I.
Speaker 1: Just started with Taylor Field on his thoughts.
Speaker 4: Wasn't here, Yeah, just I think things could have been
better coming off.
Speaker 3: Of such a hot episode last week.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've been pretty warming up quite well
on this this season two of the show. But uh, yeah,
there's there's a lot that was still needing to be
wrapped up.
Speaker 3: And kind of explained.
Speaker 4: I will not even explain, but just I feel like
we needed to further along a little bit more of
the narrative with these characters and such, and just to kind.
Speaker 3: Of get what we got.
Speaker 4: It felt like we were only maybe seventy five percent
the way there, maybe not even five, maybe like sixty
six percent the way there. There's still a good chunk
of stuff that needed to be addressed. I feel like
when it comes to just like the characters and such,
and it just it expedited it when we got to
the back half. Like in the back half, like the
end of the episode is like, Okay, we're obviously seeing
a bit of a time jump here, not a spoiler,
but things were just like really picking up and we're
jumping ahead and like, okay, things are really happening here.
But there's a lot of stuff that I would have
liked to.
Speaker 3: Have seen.
Speaker 4: Leading up to this kind of point. That's it's not
only in this part of the episode too, earlier on
with stuff with like Rick flag Senior. Holy fuck, it's
like what are they doing here? Because they're just totally changing.
Speaker 2: It's so weird.
Speaker 3: It's like, I just super weird. And they address it
once in one scene. Apparently then it.
Speaker 2: Was not even justified viable, like we'll get into full spoilers.
But man, it's just like it was weird. It's like
they let chat Gipe take over this character and it
was like again.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I thought it was a doppel ganger.
Speaker 2: I thought like, Okay, there's all right, right, you're into
You're too far into oatting, too far into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not high on on this episode.
Speaker 4: Now that being said, maybe a future project could retroactively
make this episode boost it up a little bit, but
I don't think that's what you should be doing.
Speaker 1: Two years Finale, Part two for Peacemaker.
Speaker 4: I guess I should save the other There's another scene
that I'm gonna say for spoilers because that was just it.
Speaker 3: It made me laugh when I saw it.
Speaker 2: James Gunnis, we know what.
Speaker 3: They stopped the cameras, but they just kept going like
like that Superman set.
Speaker 2: Let's get into k if you've not seen the episode.
We're gonna take our first ad break and then we're
gonna get into full spoilers, so we will be right back.
We are back.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm stillating first of all here because I'm gonna
pose the question to Taylor Field. The Taylor you know,
you like the idea of like multiverse theory. There's just
there's there's infinite realities out there, and if that's the case,
then there is guaranteed a reality where there is just
a total aspect aspeg asshole scumbag John Cena who's just
like totally stealing Jennifer Holling away from James Gunn during
the filming of this show.
Speaker 2: But if that's his universe, I'm just watching this.
Speaker 1: I'm just watching them on my couch. I got my
little tea, you know, I'm watching this and I'm like,
man like, there has been so many cases of like
whether it's Brad Pitt cheating on Angelina Joe or no
Jennifer Aniston for Jennifer my god, Angela Joe. I'm terrible
names right now, but I'm just like watching this. I'm like,
man like, this happens often in you know, I'm sure
John Cena is really.
Speaker 2: Different since the husband's on the set all those stories,
the husband or there, right, so he's there.
Speaker 1: With not for all like the acting.
Speaker 2: Are you saying now you coned?
Speaker 1: There's always just in the meming camp because it's just
so fun to speculate with this idea I love it.
I'm more in that I like aspect to the reality
of it, because at the end of the day, they
are in the movie business. She's like an actual actor.
Think it's just like, hey, you should put your beautiful
wife in this role who's never acted before, just so
she can like mac on John john sena. But so
I definitely entertain it for entertainment's sake, but still just
watching the scene and of course we've just been like
meming about it all season and then it just Liplock
spinning the camera around. It's like extended I swear I
saw as I'm tongue in there too with some saliva exchange,
and I'm just like, my mind's going But yeah, they
are actors.
Speaker 2: It is all fake, nothing is going on.
Speaker 3: We know it. Well, that was that all fake?
Speaker 2: Was that? Like at again what I said though, first
of all, that is still just the ones doors or anything,
and the husband is not there on set. I think
there's no issue the husband being there if it's all cool.
And again we've told those before. We've been really they're
just swingers and it really didn't matter, right, people are
doing that all the time. So it's like, let's say you're.
Speaker 1: Not swingers though, and like, I never want to push
for adultery or anything like that. You know, stay true
and uh to your partners. But like, what do you
what happens to the DCU if that actually occurred.
Speaker 2: Peacemaker and Hardcore die off screen. This is what happens.
Speaker 1: That's literally what James gunn looking to Peter Saffron, He's like, Okay,
what's next for the future of the DCU and he
just leaps again, just making jokes people. I don't actually
hope that h isn't that right?
Speaker 3: Hot brother.
Speaker 2: James gun and Johnson at the Justice League premiere very
He's just like, mmm, Sean gun But anyways, let's get
out of here. You guys are bringing me down here level.
It's I think it's completely fine. It's nothing's happening. Their
actors actress is all for fun. I will say, though,
on a legituly story point, which to me they didn't
talk about. Don't think they'll ever talk about this whole season.
We've heard about the boat, right, and I think they
kind of almost made an insinuation that it was like
them having sex, right, that's what we all thought, right,
Like in the show specifically, hardcore pizez that. So we
learn that they went in a dirty way, like what
are you talking about? But no, so we they kind
of made it sound the insinuation that they had sex.
But then we learned this episode we go to a
month month ago and there was actual boat. It was
like a rock cruise or something. They kiss, you know,
big romantic scene. He spins her and you know it's SlowMo.
They kiss and then she gets emotional leaves. So am
I to take it they have not had sex? Right?
Speaker 3: They're definitely not slept again?
Speaker 2: Okay? So, and am I supposed to take it that
the John seen or the Chris that went to the
Nazi word that woke up half naked and shower with
Amelia Harcourt had sex with her.
Speaker 3: Yes, they absolutely had sex.
Speaker 1: What I didn't think about that at all when.
Speaker 2: She walked off the boat, I was because don't be on.
I already was saying it was kind of weird, of
like if if me and Emily had a fight and
I went to different universe, been like, oh I banged
another version of you, I think that person. Emily would
kind of like that's a weird way to get over
your problem. But maybe you'd get over because it's like
it's the same person at sex. Whatever. If me and
Emily were first dating and then we didn't make love
and then I went to different universe and made love
to a different version of her first so the first
time that who knows, because like they didn't really get
together in the season, but then they went to the
concert again, they were all like hugging it, like they
looked like they were implying they were starting to get
romantically involved. So Chris's first time ever with Amelia Harcourt
will be the Nazi version of her. I feel like,
fuck the brick flag stuff that enough, what should be
have hardcer be like you, like we can meet friends,
wean carebache, but I'm never crossing that. Like that's a
weird thing. Like all the other stuff that Chris gets
in his hand and worried about, it's like, no, man,
that's the way life is. Like as great speech again,
great acting about this stuff. Bad stuff doesn't happen just
because of you. And look at all these things you've done.
There's tons of stuff that Peacemaker cannot control that is bad.
That's happening to him, him fucking a different version of
Meli Harcourt and then just come back being like didn't
mean something, didn't mean anything. It's like what that doesn't
matter anymore? Like when she GoF that boat, I felt
I was like gross, Like I was like that just
doesn't to me that I I don't buy. It's like, oh,
it's just big love now.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It would have been fine if they just heavily insinuated
that maybe he didn't sleep with that hardcourt right, Like
they went on a date and hung out, that's fine,
but like he woke up in bad naked with there
there was like they definitely implied they had sex. So
just oh, did not like that all weird weird stuff.
Speaker 1: So I must wish you didn't make that observation. So
it makes it worse, right, it detracts. Yeah, that's really
are and I feel like something that they should have meant,
like no one caught.
Speaker 2: That in the writers well there's no there's no writer's room,
and that James remember he wrote this in a weekend.
Speaker 3: Oh I love it. I wanna.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna but I'm curious for the people that
listen to his podcast and have his explanation of of that, Like, yeah,
I know, it's like questions in people and all the stuff.
Lap show, isn't it. He's just glazing himself the whole
pretty much.
Speaker 2: And like like tonight, Steve Aggie and his wife are
on there. So it's just I'm talking about the show
and everything. So and the only quotes that have come
out about it are like the what Hunter put in
the chat, like stuff about the future, so we'll see
there so, but anything else on on that.
Speaker 3: Nobody's nobody's like us.
Speaker 1: Me and Taylor in the chat asked him the real question, honestly,
just live reaction, like how we pull up comments on
the stream yard?
Speaker 2: James, are you worried.
Speaker 1: Sweating?
Speaker 2: We're we're what are films gonna bring through? We're gonna
get a meeting with James gun and then they're just
gonna pull this episode and YouTube fucked es gvs never
making anything dec related because stick around.
Speaker 4: I mean, what if Warner brother sells and then uh,
you know, Netflix buys it or Paramount buys it, and
then they're like, all right, James, you're out of here.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would.
Speaker 2: Just put but John and.
Speaker 3: No, we're keeping a million job. Chris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, that's another time. I think both. I think
legitimately he Paramount could buy them and give James Gun
a ten year contract. Paramoun could buy them and fire
them the next day. You never know what the like,
that's my thing of like any I think I have
no idea what the second richest man in the world's
thinking when he buys brother. They'm not gonna try to think,
like what does he think about I've said this before.
He could have been the same room with James Gun
and James I could have bumped into him and what's
up bra and walked away, and the second he sits down,
it'd be like this. He'd be pulling up this podcast
being like, James, you remember that day you stepped on
my shoe? Like you never fucking know. So we'll wait
and see. Uh yeah, how asked what are your thoughts
in salvation run for the DCU will get there when
we get to that portion, but we will talk about it.
Uh TC twenty four said seven nine of ten to
f nine for me overall eight at tenth of the season. There,
that's pretty good. And then we can talk about this
quickly because then we'll probably be on some of the
bigger stuff. But this to me was a big con
as well. Super mid Mike said, yeah, he's referring to
a non spoiled portion. Yeah, for sure. I thought the
Rick flag mine was mind controlled or shape shift or
something acting very strange in this episode on because that's
a setup where Chris is in jail, which again I
have a problem with that too, but we'll get there.
Chris is in jail and the other people are going
through the doors. They're looking for something, right, we don't
know what that is. And it's a whole montage of
people in suits so Hardcourt to Meadow some other characters
there and Suit's going through these doors. Tons of danger
and now pretty much it's the entire Lex Luthor crew
and Rick Flag. Rick Flag has replaced Lex Luthor, and
not only as far as the superior like the superiority figure.
Literally at times he's not acting like Nichols whole Lex Luthor,
but he's acting in the way that Lex Luthor, who
would think kind of would As far as success rate,
I don't understand, and I get what they could try
to do with James gun My pictry. Like Rick Flagg's
a great character. He's gonna go back and forth between
good and bad right, like a wand or something like that. Okay,
I can kind of see where that's going. I still
think so far, between Creature Commandos this show and Superman,
he's more on the good side. But definitely in this
show there's sometimes where you see he's a little darker.
But we've talked about before where Okay, it's because his
son was murdered by this guy, so we can understand
why he might be a little off kilter, right to
have in this episode where there's other and these aren't
fucking suicide squad as far as we know, they're not
suicide squad people. They're not former criminals. There are people
workers that he's responsible for, might have families there, and
people might go, oh, you're looking so seriously Yeah to me,
I am because it's a fucking show I'm consuming and
what Rick Flagg has done. Just because James gun likes
makes jokes, everything shouldn't be a joke. There's people going
through these portals that are literally dying being killed, and
then there's smash cut the Rick Flagg who's laughing with
all the criminals to the side.
Speaker 1: Like it's literally like like the fucking meme from Good
Fellows when they're just done.
Speaker 2: It is in the bar, and it's just like the
only way I we'll accept this if they say, yeah,
like now reflects just a villain. If they say he's
just a villain for now, and that's fine because like
I still think it's not the greatest writing, but at
least it's like, Okay, this was his breaking point, right,
his son died and he just never really recovered from
interact with Peacemaker. Like Taylor said, you could eventually write
that story and kind of fix it. That's fine, But
at any point, if he's on the good guy side
or helping our heroes, I don't give a I don't
give a fuck about this character surviving because he's just
chuckling while these innocent bystanders are getting there, like they're
dying in violent ways, and it's just like he's all
chummy and Emilia, who he's close with, like yep, we
don't need your sorry go away in something that like
you feel like they're gonna hear about eventually. It's just
what was It felt like someone else was writing this character,
and it's it's so odd because again, and that's why
I even had the problem A little bit of Holt
a little bit when when they have the fucking glasses guy,
apparently he's just doing coke and let we talk about
that he like masturbates like Superman. I guess just the
PG thirteen, but I could believe that Superman and Peacemaker
were written by different people. This is James gunn Ran
in these same characters. And to me, even the little
bits we saw Rick Flag, and even in that boardroom
that did not feel like the Rick Flag that was
just a Superman a month ago. Even the character Trice
says that, like, oh, you were very different a month ago.
But the thing is, if a character's gonna change so radically,
we got to see that and we did not see that,
So that to me was a massive con So I know,
kirkln you're not already a fan of maybe the character
and maybe more so the actor. But what do you
think about you know, Rick Flag's having a great day
at work while people are just fucking dying around, which
has never been a trade like oh, the creature commandos.
He feels bad about a bunch of fucking freaks, you know,
and those are people that are like could you could
labels criminals where these are just regular government workers, Like
it's weird.
Speaker 1: Weird, it feels so disconnected for like trying to be
the same universe and although it's animated to live action,
like it's supposed to be the exact same character in
the exactly Gun says yeah, and it's I don't buy
that for what was shown to us. I definitely have
like my own biases of not liking the character because
I'm just not the biggest Frank Grilla fan, and I
feel like there's been peaks and valleys throughout the season
of like really not liking the character to being like, Okay,
I'm gonna although I don't love Frank Gorilla, Like what
they're doing with the character is at least somewhat enticing,
and it's like completely in the fucking trash bag right
now below like the expired milk like it is, I
so do not care about this character anymore, and I
want it to be any part of the of the universe,
and like just the idea of him being like the
potential Nick Fury of this universe, it's just like that
disgusts me, Like I hate this character so much, and
I think what was not.
Speaker 2: Like a good way, right, No, I like I want
to see him get come up and you.
Speaker 1: Know, like like a good villain that you just want
to despise. Like it's just it's so annoying to see
him on screen now.
Speaker 2: To me, and I haven't seen this in a while,
but something like the Suicide Squad. James Gunn did that
in two hours with Peacemaker, where he was like a
funny joke machine. And then when he does that turn
and he kills brick Flake Junior and he starts helping
Waller in that Lasser act, You're like, fuck this guy. Man,
he's just like a government snob and all but all
the bread combs are there to buy that turn right
where none of that's here. If anything, they've been trying
to make a more emotional with like him being close
to Amelion all this stuff, and it just it feels
like we're missing a bunch of episodes, you know, or
just minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like my the bigger grievance I have with
the character as a whole is like it's so fucking
obvious that he's just like a straight villain of like
he gets into this role that's like supposed to be
like a very high tier like government official role, like
it's it's it's basically like black ops level, right, because
it's like nobody really knows too much about Argust but
it's but it's in like the government, and it's just
like so blatant that he like, my goal is to
take down fucking Christopher Smith. That is the only goal,
not not do anything for the government or like like
anything like stopping like there's a little bit of many
human stuff like sprinkled in there, but like it's really
just fucking to send Christopher Smith to this fucking salvation plant. Like, like,
to me, that's what is his main goal, even if
anything else is said, like we're gonna make a prison
for any humans, it's like, my I'm gonna fucking take
on Christopher Smith. And that's been him this whole season,
and then at the end he's like elevated to a
whole other level because he's just so different already than
what he's been in the season. Like like when he's
beating the shit a peacemaker and he's getting emotional, that's
good content. It's like, man, like this guy lost his son.
He's taken out all this rage. He wants him to
fight back, like he's just at a very emotionally vulnerable level,
but like what's happened, Like it doesn't even seem like
it's the same character here. He's just laughing at all
his lack. He's just getting murderous. So it's so disconnected
and just so I'm so uninterested in the character, Like
they actually managed to go from like zero to negative
on my interest and.
Speaker 2: They try to like tie together with we'll get there,
but when he sends them through the poor like oh,
this for Ricky, but it's like that doesn't feel like
it really matters anymore. And cause you could make that point, right,
you could have done the whole story of oh, he's
using his son's death to make it seem like that's
what he's really here for. But he's there for the power.
Where to me, the season of the writing was he's
using his like the power that Chris has to get
to the guy that caused his son's death. It was
the other way around. But at the finale they tried
to switch. It's like, no, no, no, that's not what you've
been telling this whole season. And that's why I said
the non spoilers too. It's like even the whole goal
of this finale is all the big thing is like
we gotta find what's happening in these portals, and then
we're making a jail for Malt for meta humans, and
it's just like when it's like, Okay, you don't have
to watch all this stuff to be connected. Let's say
you don't watch Superman. When did meta humans really pose
a huge threat in this season? If you're just watching Peacemaker,
that's the most random fucking plot line of all. It
was Chris is not a meta human. Adrian's not a
meta human. I guess they say, like Sophia Brador, Yeah,
they're a metat human.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like, all right, cool, try to like he
cares at any point in this show. It's just this
episode that they started shacking or did.
Speaker 2: I miss No, they did, No, they did. She was
attracted to him one time he said something. She was
like like hawt and bothered when he like laid down
the law. But it's just like that's where it's just
like the same thing that his goal is completely change
and the goal of the show was not. Throughout the season,
meta humans are wrecking shop. That is directly a plot
line from Superman. So when he says like, Oh, you
don't have to watch one thing to watch the other. Yeah,
you do, because where in this show is it shows
that meta humans are a massive threat to society because
most of the threats that were happening were in the
other fucking universe that Rick Flake Senior didn't even go
to or doesn't even care about. So it's just like
his motivations, both personally and with the plot line. It
literally was just like, yeah, let's set up Superman Man
of Tomorrow, which is weird because you could just have
that story in manitomore like let's sit up so like
it just feels very odd, and that's why I just
can't believe him when he's like, oh, there won't be
a homework thing. It's like to me, that is I
don't know how you watch this season without Superman and
feel connected to all. We got to lock up all
the meta humans now and all right, I don't know,
just odd stuff, Taylor, make any sense of this stuff?
You like Tulsa King, yes, you know?
Speaker 4: And Grillo he's awesome. He's always in these underdog roles
and the here here we go. He's yeah, Rick Flegg Senior,
and I liked his character in Creature Commandos, and I thought,
for the most part, there's there's some juice here. But
this is what I was talking about in my non
spoilers thoughts completely just turn this character around.
Speaker 3: You guys mentioned it.
Speaker 4: I thought it was some kind of shape shifter or
something because he's just for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, Lex's Lex has just body controlled somehow.
That's what I thought, you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, And I mean they're setting it up where
Amelia even asks like, uh like general, like, oh no,
you you want me to call you Rick, And just
the way he's responding to it, it's like, Okay, he's
not in tune with how she's supposed to call him
by his nickname.
Speaker 2: Too, And I thought the same thing. I thought, all,
this guy's not her fucking Rick Flegg, which they could
do later on, but that doesn't help the season the show.
I don't want three years to be like, oh the
Peacemaker season two finale is much better now.
Speaker 3: That's like doing Yeah, it's like doing a g I.
Speaker 4: Joe rises to Cobra and having the President be the
shape shifter, but then not paying off until the follow
up movie, which almost you know doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's the same niche reference.
Speaker 2: At least in that movie they showed, hey, this is
the fake president, so you knew right away, where we
don't know that in this show, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: Because I've seen him he whistles. But yeah, I just
wish that we got a little bit more development on
on our character here with Rick Fleggs Senior, because yeah,
him just high fiving Lex's minions.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not I'm not fine because you get.
Speaker 2: The killed the hundreds of people and.
Speaker 4: People almost destroyed the world, and then you just see
like Rick Flegg's on team members, you're just getting killed
by fucking dimensions. And then it just cuts to like
lexis peopions doing like just snort coke.
Speaker 3: And then he's just high five in them. It's just
this is just.
Speaker 4: Weird, and he's like, oh, dinner, you know, he's going
out to dinner with Lex's minions, and like every.
Speaker 2: Coke thing, I get spoked. I can't wait it's in there,
because I think, oh, it's so funny they're doing coke,
But like, is that what this is? Like the Shield argusts,
they can just do coke and it's fine, And again,
I guess I'm fine if from now on August should
be just a terrible organization. But I don't think that's
what's gonna happen. I think what's gonna happen is when
you get them back in PG. Thirteen, people are gonna
be masturbating and they're not gonna beating coke. So it's like, then,
why are you making these characters do this now that
are gonna be in Man Up tomorrow? Gonna said, Oh,
a bunch of these people be in the next he said,
Rick Flake's gonna be in the next fucking movie, which
is like, great, I can't wait for that. But it's like, then,
why these characters shift so much? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just doesn't fit, doesn't tracked, and I just yeah,
I just don't know. Like the one little highlight like oh,
you're posing him now or opposing Lex Luthor here, and
now you're a month later, you're moving his plans forward,
stuff like that, and he's like, oh, you know, he's
the smartest person on the planet. It doesn't mean I
have to like him and all that stuff. And then
every time he gets a report from Lex Luthor, he
like slams on the table, buddy, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Notes, that's great to me, what is going on? And again,
why not in Superman then like even that, like because
he's not the one when Hawk Girl has that president
and like, you know, the mask on me and like
I'm not Supermann and drops him right, and then later
on they show the Prey and everything. Rick Flag's not
the character that says like, oh look the meta humans
running everything, right, that's someone else that says that to him, right,
and he looks at it like, oh, like he's thinking
about it. Make that his line in that movie. Then
if you know this is right, you're gonna take make
it of like, hey, I was on their side, but
now they're just killing fucking government officials. They're not going
to prison. This is kind of fuck that. We gotta
do something. They made him even when he arrested Superman,
he's a sorry Big Blue like it felt like he
was a torn character and Creature Commandos he works with
a bunch of So now that entire team he worked with,
is he just like, Yeah, I'm gonna call you to
dinner and then lock you the fuck up, Like the
motivations are not there, And I guess again you could
do the Oh it was a shape shifter, it was
less controlling him. But then like to have an example,
I agree on the reverse side. Then you reveal it
in this show. Then you go, Okay, that makes it
feel better because you saw all the bread crumbs of
y ric flag was off and now he's because fuck man,
could you imagine if he got seen I got thrown
through that door? It closed, and the only other person
there's actually rig Flagg Senior and they gotta work together.
Fuck man, Like think about that. It's like you gotta
work with the guy. You gotta work with the guy
that killed your son to get out of there. Man,
where is my man? My no, he'll see your video
be like you were making jokes about my wife fucking John.
Scene's like you make jokes, Yeah, your wife's gonna fuck John.
Cenaw Travis. But I I just like I was waiting
for I have to be missing some of here. There
has to be something, and there just wasn't. Could you
imagine that them on that island together? Fuck man, that's
that's a season three I want to see right there,
it's just them working together. But nah, he's just a
shitty heel that's just like this for Ricky, it's like
all right, man, cool, like yeah, and I didn't buy.
I get what people are gonna say, because man, so
the whole season's about getting Chris peacemaker because he wants
him has peacemaker. Get at jail. They just give some
money to the guard like op, you're free to go,
and he just like walks out of prison, doesn't want to.
And I know someone like, oh, well, you know Rick Flag,
he did get Chris in the end, you know. But
the point is, what if Chris could have went anywhere?
What if he has more technic again into portal? So
this guy who hates his son, if he even knew,
like just for a couple of days Chris is out
in the wild, that is not track at all what
the Rick Flayer gave us. He is every time where's
peace Banker. He's such a thread. So to me, it's
just like you let him out of prison, and Chris
could at any point maybe got to a different world
and just been gone. And now you lost a guy
that kills your son. So so again, where like that
storyline went nowhere of him really want And I know
someone'll say, well, at the end, he got him, but
it's like that just felt like they forgot about it
and like all will Dove tell it together. I'm see. Yeah,
I'm saying they did resolve it, but it was a
very lazy resolution. It felt like it was something they
had forgot about and it had not for to me.
That was what I was excited about. And they pitched
about Refleke Senior and they did not give that storyline
much justification really at all. They didn't even have a
conversation either.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was saying in the spoiler free section,
like like the fade of black scene, how it just
felt like, oh, we forgot to throw in a piece
that like continues on the story. It's like they're just
improving the story and like shooting it as they're going,
and then it's like, oh, fuck, we forgot to actually
have him arrested when or sorry, go through the salvation
portal when he was arrested, so now he's free, when
we could have just fucking did this when he was arrested.
Maybe do these other scenes earlier on or like like
just piece it together properly. It just seems, I don't know,
like we're just flipping the switch going going backwards and
forwards is not not appetizing, not palatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where it's just like the idea of
Man tomorrow is gonna have Superman, Lex, Supergirl, you know,
rig Flag, Peacemaker. Yeah, it's just again And I would
say before Gun is like the master of these multi characters.
But now I've seen a few projects where I go,
you know what, that's not the case. Because I left
Superman being like I didn't get enough of Lois, and
I'm leaving this show being like I didn't get enough
a lot of characters, and then like Rick Flag Senior's
arc is just completely feels like unfinished or rushed. So
now I have that where before I go, no, no, Gun,
he got that. He's a master dealing with eight to
seven characters, right, But now it's like especially too in
those other projects. You could argue the Guardians, they are
all main characters, but it's a big assamble, right, But Lex, Superman, Peacemaker, Supergirl,
those are like main characters. Now you gotta give them
all time. Even Lois, I could buy like, hey, she's
just you know, she's the love interest, which I don't
like like that, But if that's what you want to
try and something on K fine, but I yeah, I
don't know. I'm I am very worried about Mantamore, especially
with the rate they're moving of like this in a weekend.
And then Manatimore he wrote a treatment and he's like, yeah,
it's all greenlight, good to go, even though he said
they're not gonna rereelay anything to the full script. It's like,
I get it, you want to get moving. Maybe it's
that idea of contract time and everything, but I I
feel like there's enough issues going on here, so let's
take our second ad break and we'll be right back
and we're back. Anything else on Rick Flake Senior or
that stuff that we need to talk about.
Speaker 1: You I already mentioned the like the love dynamic between
him and that lady. It's just it seems so shoehorned in,
not even need and she's like already suss of him
and like working with Hardcourt, like it's just so unneeded.
It was, yeah, like you didn't even have to have
them sleeping together. You could like have the same room
as result where she's just sussing it out and then
she meets I don't know, it's all bad, all bad
across the board for mister Rick Flagg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it was bad. Where again, I
think the scene has written great. I think the acting
is written great. But I remember in episode one they
did this, We're like, oh they ever gonna really talk
about this again? And same thing like the fade to black,
Like right, remember ads that a girlfriend fiance wife? We
should we should you know, wrap that up, we should
tell that storyline. And again I think if someone if
you were in an acting class and they're like, hey,
I wrote the scene, I'm gonna act it as my performance. Right,
They do that all the time. It came as a
technical term, but it's like you kind of make a
performance and you give that in a teacher real grady
write if it was a scene like that, Oh this
is fantastic. Some great dialogue here, you know at a
barrow is like acting asshof, I believe it. Problem is,
I'm not invested in this relationship at all because we
only got very little of it in Peacemaker and one
and then season two right away off screen were broken up.
And then now it's like, yeah, we shouldn't be together.
There's been no other conversations, there's been no other scenes
there's been nothing, and they're supposed to expect me to
really care about this relationship that they've invested zero time into,
Like they should just done this episode one then have
this big scene to be done. Like I just when
she pulled up, I was like, oh, we're really doing
this because to me, someone might be like, oh on
the premiere you said they should continue it. Yeah, they
should throughout the season, throughout the show, not just episode
one and then episode eight. That does not count that
to me, it's just like the this is for Ricky,
that's just the cheap like, yeah, we gave you the answer,
it's like you did. And the scene by itself is great,
but man, again just was really disappointed of Yeah, the
storyline really did nothing. And again, just break them up
in season one for good forever. Do that scene there
and then move along. And that could play into like
why ADS needs Chris even more right because she's fully
alone versus all they're kind of separated. Well they won't
they get back together? And we didn't see when I'm
gonna put you in danger? It's like when was she
in danger this season? Really Chris was in danger? And
then when Chris said, hey, they didn't do anything. It
was all me. They're yeah, sure, ads, you're free. They
didn't lock her up. You're like, it wasn't like they
were not Like the only time she was in danger
is when she went to the fucking nazi racist universe.
So sure, if she brings her wife there, it's gonna
be a problem. But yeah, all the salt really hollo
out to me.
Speaker 1: I completely agree one percent with what you said. I
think they should have just ended it like episode one
or two. I think you can make plays devil Devil's advocate.
You could argue, well, like at a Bio has to
go through that growth to realize that she's not compatible
with her wife U because she has that one conversation
with Judo Master. It's like a really quick scene and
then and then it leads to this and like literally
when when she's pulling up to talk to Kay or
whatever her name was, I'm just like, oh, right, this character, Okay,
she's gonna get back together, and then they're gonna be
together for like next season. Like there's a reason why
we why we stuck this character uh in this season
and then just just end it last season. But no,
it's just a breakup. Scene, and as you said, very
well acted for both for both of them, Like I thought,
it was a tremendously acted scene, and they like almost
fooled me of like why, like this is the finale
for peace Maker, I know, and this is what's happening.
It was, Uh yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna repeat it.
I completely agree with everything you said. It's just why
are we even doing this? It's just it's not like
I don't care, well, it is I don't care about
the characters, and it's their fault for making me not
care about these characters, And like, why are they showing
me this this emotional scene at the end as if
I'm like invested in the relationship. I'm not at all.
I'm totally fine if they broke up between seasons. I
think I was talking. I think I was critiquing that
at the start of the episode one reviews, but I like,
I don't even know the other alternative because I didn't
have K at all in these It's not like I'm
gonna be missing that character now going forward. So what
a decision.
Speaker 2: Teor anything on the hats.
Speaker 3: In her I don't really have much.
Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting them to just to kind of give
us another scene here where she's like I'm here to
let you go. It's like I already thought we fucking
dealt with this before, so it just doesn't I don't know,
I don't know what the point is. I'm not sure
why James Gunn felt like this was an important story
beat above other story beats to just make this prominent,
Like I don't know the new show.
Speaker 1: He's announcing, just just at a bio k. But it's
like a prequel. It's like because they're actually done now
in the very important is.
Speaker 2: The future of the dc U universe.
Speaker 3: It's something I would.
Speaker 2: Have loved to We won't be reviewing that one.
Speaker 4: What I would love to have gotten a follow up
to is the whole like, uh do you do Greek thing?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: That guy? Like here one client.
Speaker 4: I would have loved to have got in some kind
of conclusion to the client, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah all right, James Gunn, Yeah, I don't think
it worked out for so at that point they get Chris.
We cover this a little bit, but they all do
a speech about like Chris, you know you mean a
lot to us and everything, which again I thought there's
gonna be a moment there, but there's not one. Andrew's
like you're my best friend and you make my life better.
It's like, well the whole season's about shown like he's
not like truly your best friend, and Chrismas never like yeah,
you are always over there for me, Adrian. So I
thought this scene was not I thought the ads scene
was well written and direct and acted, but it just
didn't make sense where I thought this scene was like fine,
Like it just didn't like even when they're like Oconomos,
he's a coward, but he sticks his neck for you
and they go to him and his line is just
like he nods his head. So I thought I thought
this was like a little week. And like I said before,
I didn't like Chris walking on the fucking room like
to mean anything. It's like, no, man like that, we're
too far gone. But of course hardcourts hasn't meant everything,
so all right, cool, we're back on that train. I
do like the you know, they play the song from
whatever the band's name is. H I can't remember the
song name too, because I got my life playoffs. I
like the song, but it's the opening credits dance and
he's doing those dances, so it's kind of like a
fun like full circle moment where he's doing the same
dances and the opening Creds they're playing the song because
him and Hardcarter at the concert, So I kind of
I like that kind of full circle moment. It is
very fun. And then you're seeing the whole team set up,
and that was the picture one they wanted to stick around,
and then two they got an idea they're gonna do
things themselves and change things, and they've decided to use
Adrian's blood money to do some good right, and then
they've opened up the Checkmate system. So what that is
is from the comments, it is something I've not read them.
It's tough because I've start with some people. Mike talked
about this. I totally was Chris, but like most of
the people I've seen talk about Checkmate is, it's a
pretty like it. It's more on the serious side of
things for DC property, And to me, it's like, one,
all these characters that they introduced the team are not
serious characters. And two of Jim's guns writing him it's
not gonna be that. So again, I just don't know
if any guns system around, And he did say that
you will see the characters of this show in a
different show, and it wouldn't be Peacemaker season three. He
didn't say Peacemaker season three is completely done, but that's
just not in the immediate plans. So yeah, I'll start
with you, what do you think about this? Them creating
their own kind of you know, system, their own job,
and what would you would you be interested at all
in a checkmate show with these characters? And I would
assume I could be wrong, but I would assume San's
Peacemaker because he would be gone for now, So I
don't know. What did you think about this then putting
their own thing together?
Speaker 3: I'm down for this and think could be a lot of.
Speaker 2: Fun as a concept for its own show.
Speaker 4: Its own show, because most of these characters, even though
they've been all with Argus, they've still just been you know,
popping up along the way, and they just have really
funny dialogue with each other.
Speaker 3: And I really really like that. Is it Meadows to Meadows?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He did join the crew?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so he joined the crew, which I really liked.
And again, just the stuff of them walking around the
alternate reality and they're trying to open up doors and
just him talking was just fucking hilarious. He was just
killing it in this episode when he's talking about the
guy like just you know, Cupie, is that his name?
CUBEI the guy that got his face mauled off by
a candy monsters?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Which I did not like that scene. I
didn't like them months. I liked it when they'm there
had a sound effect, but when they're like humping the helm,
I'm just like, man, they just you know, sometimes can't
help he just can't help it sometimes.
Speaker 4: Why is he implementing that kind of stuff in here?
You know, just that's like just childish humor. But anyways,
so h I think Tim Metals did a great job though,
when he's just he's telling the story and wherever it's
leading and it's just the guy just ended up puking
and it's just there's it's just really really funny, and
I think he did.
Speaker 2: A good like that that took too long for me,
and the payoff was not worth it, Like the payoff.
Speaker 3: Was not the payoff is not worth it.
Speaker 4: But I liked him just try like getting there and
trying to set up everything because just the way he
was selling it and telling it really was starting to
make me laugh, but not as funny as Oh no,
he wasn't, didn't. No, I'm getting that confused with Judo Master,
which I'm also happy that Judah Master is part of
the team too. Again, all the excuse me, chemistry between
all these characters is really uh it's it's something I
look forward to if we get that season three, or
if we get them somewhere else. I mean, I can't see.
I can't see really a reason why you'd have like
Superman teaming up with this crew.
Speaker 2: Check me. I think the crew would be separate. I
think the idea is that Peacemaker is gonna move over
to more of the mainline stuff and then Checkmate's gonna
be its own thing where that's where I'm opposite of you.
I don't know if I need this as a show.
I think if you say it's Checkmate and Peacemaker's there.
But it's just one of those things where someonemes they
don't know if a crew needs or a character needs
a spin off show or movie, and it's just like
and I just I guess you made it for a
cheap budget. I don't know how you saw that show out.
John Cena unless they get some other big activity along,
Like I just don't I love to Meadows and don't
get wrong, Steve Agee or whatever you say, his name
was fantastic this season. Like when they when he's telling
that story and he's like all the proms game you
see it, and uh, oh this is like that there
was no proms. I say, fuck you, man, Like his
delivery is so damn good at these lines they give him,
but like a.
Speaker 1: Checkmate the other guy, he's like, what do you think
of it?
Speaker 2: He's like, there was less. It's not idiot like like
I don't know, I would have to see, but it's
not something where they announced the Checkmate show. I'm like, man,
I can't fucking wait for that because I just I'm
sure James Gunn will be like, oh, it's sets the
next chapter of the DCU and it's a vital piece
and yet da I just like I think, I just
like the concept of let's eventually just wait till I
do Peacemaker season three and the Checkmate unit is in there.
I don't know if I need Checkmate without John Cena
because they're not making Peace for Maker season three. Gun
said tonight as right, like the plans for the media
future and peacemakers in Superman, so clearly he would not
be in this show. And I I know, even though
for some reason don't know why, I've I'm very hit
or miss with the vigilante Adrian character. Him and Tim
Meadows together that had me going good. I don't know why.
I was like the two of them together, that's like
a weird like oh, it's almost like Tim Midl's characters
found someone more annoying than him, and he was like,
what the fuck's wrong to dude, Like do you really
even know anything? But spiders absolutely like oh it says
when they molted together, like what are you mult and is?
Speaker 1: But it goes to the shot of like Tim Meadows
like reading off the computer and it's like spiders have
hydraulic legs, like like just like the fact like I
don't know what bullshit website he's on, but just every
fact he's reading on He's like, no, yeah, it says
it's right here. They milk. You know you can buy it.
Speaker 3: It holds the whole food store.
Speaker 1: Fuck. Yeah, they were getting me going. Tim Meadows was
hundred percent for me, Like even even the scene I
didn't love, like the payoff by any means. But it's
just Tim Meadows going off when he's talking about the
with the gargantinous fucking titties and he's just going on, Yeah,
he's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kirkland, same question. You want to checkmate, show them
these characters.
Speaker 1: What. I don't think I'm asking for the show, but
well know, will I watch it? Maybe I thought I
was gonna be watching chapter uh Strangers, chapter two, but
that doesn't happen yet, So you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think that would be us watching the first episode and
the listener's dictating if that's something that's needed, you.
Speaker 1: Know, or like what's on the schedule around that.
Speaker 2: Exactly, because I just like, unless there's something.
Speaker 1: Right the situation, David.
Speaker 2: Corn Sweat is in. He is in check made as
the main guy, which we didn't get. We didn't get.
I thought, for sure we get Superman. I thought Gun
was lying about that, but he wasn't. So so they
set that up. They all they did like fucking ten
soule motion shots of them walking out of the building. Cool.
I get it. It's a bunch of rag tag people
like Garians all together and squad I understand. Cool. So
that happens, fades the black. You think it's over right,
all that's the end, and then all of a sudden,
Chris is getting at his home, boom hood over his head,
throwing a van. He gets taken to the facility. Also,
we talked about a bit about this with Broog fakes
Senior's storyline. But they get him, they bring him the portal,
and we did talk about this a little bit too.
But he's pitching this place called Salvation to the government
as far as it's gonna be a place where we
lock up meta humans, and he said, like maybe some
other people, it'll be all in the paperwork. Again, very
very shady guy, like just overly shady, not even like
a clever Like he's even more shady than Lex wasn't Superman,
which like Lex still like hit it a little bit.
This is like this guy has completely alteriered of motivations
and just a bad guy. But whatever, fuck it, fine,
we'll do that. He throws him through this portal, closes
it and he just said, oh, we need someone to test.
He's like, all, thanks for being a volunteer, because I
guess Chris did sign something earlier that volunteered him to
do that, so he has closed off into another dimension.
This dementia is just fully wooded forest area. We hear
some stuff going on, and yes, this is from the
comic books where there's a place called the Salvation Run.
It is like this where Amanda Waller and Rick Flagg
did have the idea to just let's throw meta humans
and no judge jury. Let's just get him in there.
And then eventually, I've never read it, eventually, guest, somehow
dark Side learns about this and uses like a training
ground or something. I don't know if they're gonna go there.
They could, because I have heard people be like, well,
if you do dark Side, that's gonna be a lot
of people. Think about the Snyder Verse majority of people,
and I know what people are gonna hate searing. This
majority of the people world saw the theatrical Justice League
in the theaters and dark Side was nowhere fucking near
that movie. They just think it's bad cgi Stepwolf. So
people are like, oh, man, I don't know that's Zach
started that Nan like no, I'm not. Don't get me wrong,
I understand that, but it's like no, Like that was
a plot line in a movie that came out during COVID.
That was a bunch of years later and now it
has been what because that came out in twenty twenty
right snart cut or twenty one twenty right.
Speaker 1: It's around COVID.
Speaker 2: No, th it was twenty right not. Yeah, so looked
that up. So like, if that's the case, by time
they get the Dark Side one okay, so and even then,
by time they get the Dark Side, it's gonna be
like probably like a decade later. Like, so I think
that could be something. And Jim's Gunn did say that
this is setting up the future where the DCU is going.
I don't know exactly what that's gonna mean because I've
not read the Salvation Run. Hey maybe comic versions we
would uh maybe do that. But yeah, I guess that's
the idea that they're gonna start locking meta humans up here.
And I'm not sure if it's gonna be if it's
where Superman gets locked up or flex Luthor is the
person that decides to use these meta humans as like
I can get you out if you do me favor.
I really don't know the only thing I want from
this and to me, if this does not happen, it's
a huge fumble because Chris is left there, no weapons,
no peace maker stuff, anything like that to me. In Superman,
they're or sorry, Man of Tomorrow, Supman two. You know
it's not a sequel, So not a sequel Supman, but
Man of Tomorrow that if they go here, they need
to do Rob Williams jumanju John Cena, he needs to
have the long hair, big beard and he's crazed. If
it's just like a couple of weeks later they bump
into Chris, No, you know why, because John Cena can
fucking nail that out of the park. If just to
maass a segment where Lex and Superman are going through
a bunch of shit and they land in the Salvation
Run and the only person to help them and where
things are is a craze John sena with the Rob
Williams jumansh. You look, I won't say it's all worth it,
but that'll give me some points of like, Okay, this
could be tons of fun. If it's just Chris and
he's clean shaven and it's just the same old guy
with like a little dirtied up, it's like, what are
we doing here? So I don't know, like I've not
read it, so I don't have that excitement, but also
the pitch of Okay, a bunch of meta humans get
locked here and you know, dark Side eventually finds him
does some terrible shit, which I agree with Mike. Yeah,
he's the final boss. We got to the Dark Sight
at some point. But to me, it's not like I
don't I'm like, oh man, this sounds like a great storyline.
I can't wait to see. Like I don't get me wrong,
I'll be there, give it a chance. But I'm not
like frothing at the mouth of this idea. And maybe
it's just because it's like another multiverse thing where we
got so much of it. It's like, Okay, that's gonna
be another concept. I guess there's more multiverse stuff. So yeah,
what do we think of this idea of it gonna
be a big plot point going forward of them using
the Salvation Place to lock up meta humans and I
guess enemies like Peacemaker all together.
Speaker 1: Uh. Major monts drink vibes with the uh when he
goes the with the Abominable Snowman, that was like the
first thing I thought. It is, like, the scene is
so similar when they like shut the door and he
runs at it and he falls. But I I think
I'm fifty two in the post on this, and like
it's not because I'm against it, it's just like, Okay,
I have no attachment to this idea. I don't know
any history of the comic book. We didn't we didn't
jump into that in the comic book versions or anything
like that. But it it's like, I I think I'm
intrigued by kind of what you pitched of, Like, okay,
like what's gonna happen when we find Peacemaker next? Like
that's the most enticing thing for me. Now not so
much because this could be potentially like, uh, what is
it the rumor requirement from Harry Potter, Like like that
type of thing where like the students are training like
that type of aspect for a dark Side. I hated
the pitch. I don't like reflag, don't like for so
like when he's pitching it and the guy he's like,
this seems just like Lex Luthor. Oh now it seems
like you are just Lex Luthor pitching his ideas and
he's like not even shutting it down. It's like, okay, well,
let me work with this. It's like dude. Fuck these
like government entities in the in the universe. They're just
so fucking stupid. And it's probably even worse in real life.
Uh it's it is even worse in real life because
we actually have to deal with the repercussions. We can't
just have this escapism in these artificial worlds. But uh, yeah,
I don't know. I'm I'm open to being really swayed
on this idea of salvation. Looks like a nice place,
seems like a nice place that he can he can
make his own. Do they like Rick Flag and team,
Do they know everything about this place or it's just
like you can't access it unless unless.
Speaker 2: I feel like they have some stats on it, right,
because they're like, we found the perfect one.
Speaker 3: This is it.
Speaker 4: So it's not on the creatures though, I mean to Taylor,
sounded like dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: I saw a meme.
Speaker 4: Earlier where it was like, imagine if they had like
the teen Titans that popped up and there's a t
Rex in behind the teen Titans, Well, that's just greandom.
Speaker 2: I think that's just beast Boy who can turn into
the animals.
Speaker 1: That'd be cool. Giant Green, that'd be cool.
Speaker 2: And then Rob passons. Batman's beside him. I got here,
I was trapped.
Speaker 3: He's looking at the camera.
Speaker 1: It's like breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 3: Let me out.
Speaker 2: That's me the James Gun. What are you done?
Speaker 4: Is he a meta human or is the peace maker
level pat Batman? Yeah, no, this is a dude, just
a dude, Okay, okay, So he's a peacemaker.
Speaker 2: Ask her that one would have got in that fucking portal.
He would a new roof, flag was coming, you know,
not a chance, a chance he would have turned around
through a flag in that thing, and so like, you know,
sucks about your dead kid, and then close the portal.
You know, that would have been it. He would have
bought everybody there, all those people.
Speaker 3: You guys all signed your volunteers.
Speaker 2: Uncanny Suit says, feels like there was a lot of
mispotential in the season with the overall earth X. I
think we all kind of agree with Argust, Sasha Proto
or Flag's character pretty whelmed overall. Yeah, when you put
like that with a bunch of stuff in the road,
there's I think that it goes again. A lot of
those fucking episodes in thirty eight minutes, thirty five minutes
it's like, all right, we don't go and lots of
episodes too. I feel like there's a complete, full filler
episode in this. But uh, Taylor, the initial pitch before
we end this, what do you think about this idea
of DC head towards some meta humans being locked together
and I imagine having to work together. Maybe that's how
some teams are formed, et cetera.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've we saw this not just limited to
meta humans with uh Superman right where LEAs had his
little interdimensional world portal where he was locking up anyone
that he just didn't like. This is we did already
do this, So this is you know, James Gunn just
fucking loves this theory.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be with heroes this time, though, it's gonna
be the characters we know, I guess, right.
Speaker 4: Right right, So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what
comes out of it. I mean, I'm not really running
and rushing for this this kind of idea, but uh, yeah,
I don't know. I I would like to see your
your pitch where he does have little scraggly hair and
he got old John Jie coming out of that portal.
I think that would really really be funny and really
something because I mean, at this point, Rick Flagg Senior
is expecting him to die in there, and I would
love to see him just come back.
Speaker 3: And then it could.
Speaker 4: Even be a thing where like maybe and this is
a stretch, but his brother from the Nazi world manages
to find him and saves him or something like that,
like that whole Keith, Yeah, that whole world inter dimensional
rift where they're walking. I mean, it's not just limited
just to them, right, you could see the alien come
out with the rat and through the rat and the fire,
but then even sitting here through his door, Keith could
bring a whole army and then just fighting them. Right,
So there's a lot of cons still here, and you
can't forget about Keith, even though in this episode they
instilled like, oh, I killed my brother and I killed
my dad, and from this perfect universe or whatever, Amelia
didn't come forward and say, hey, technically you didn't kill
your brother, Like your brother Keith is still alive out there,
which creates than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is like it's fine because we kind of
knew this is gonna happen. But man, really, Rick Flegg
Junior was just that one cameo. AI was just sleep
with Hardcourt the sex season and.
Speaker 3: Then depending whatever they do later.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like they could bring him back
if they do a third season or something.
Speaker 2: A lot of laters, but but he'd be rating here.
That's true, that's true. Anything else before we do an
overall right in here for the season. Many the most
bring my notes just to be sure. Are you sure
my notes didn't save? So fuck me right?
Speaker 1: I have him here somewhere, no notes, no notes for me.
That's all the time I can buy for you at
this point in time.
Speaker 2: No, that's it. Yeah, I will. Maybe I'm the lowest.
I will give this season a six at ten. I
think there's episodes that are lower than that, but I
think there is still some stuff that's enjoyable, enjoyable. But yeah,
six at ten for me.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: As I said in the opening, not too hype about
the DC right now. I really need Green Lanch and
super Girl to deliver not the worst thing ever. I
just was hoping for more. So it's just like, oh,
that's fine, it's still good. I've passed Superman, I passed Peacemaker. Definitely,
it's in a more downward trajectory. But Yeah, not loving this,
and I definitely prefer Peacemakers Season one felt way more fulfilled,
way more like a full season, fun surprises, and yeah,
just didn't have the same effect here.
Speaker 1: So six that ten for me, all Right, I will
throw a stone a little bit higher above your score.
I'm gonna go seven point twenty five on this review.
Couldn't quite give it seven point five. Just really don't
like what they did, Like Rick Flag just major doo
dooo Kaca and then yeah, just just like finale. I
think this could have maybe jumped like a whole point
potentially if this finale really hit. But it was really
really really flat for me. But like positives acting across
the whole war was really really stealear even k even Ka,
she was good for what she was in it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Tim Meadows though, like major gold star for me, Like
he was just so fantastic and I'm I'm excited that
he wasn't just killed off in the season, you know,
like like we can get some more Tim Meadows. I
want him to be like, uh, like what's his name,
Jimmy Will Jimmy Randall Park, like like that type of
character where he's just he's just in the universe, like
bouncing around places. You know, he usually sticks to around
the ant man stuff, but like he's very much his
own character now, Like I want that for Tim Meadows.
I want I don't want to just be constrained to this.
But who knows. Maybe that's what's the Checkmate thing is
going to be, or it sounds like that's what it's
going to be the least. But yeah, disappointing because I
was like, they fooled me. I wasn't super hype for
the season, and then they had me, and then they
kind of lost me along the way. So I kind
of wish they didn't even have me. But I don't know.
There's there's I do like the character p Maker. Ever
since the Suicide Squad, I've been a big fan of him.
So yeah, it's tough. It's it's it's not like it's
like such a toxic relationship where I'm just like, hey,
there's no positive I gotta get the fuck out of this.
I'm done with Peacemaker, I'm done with this universe. There
is enough positive traits that I want to be invested in,
but just treat me wrong here with the with the
Frank Rillos in there, that's all say, I'll pass along.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm gonna meet uh meet in the middle here
kind of just go seven.
Speaker 3: So not lower than you, Travis, higher than you Kirkland.
Speaker 4: Again, as this episode, these episodes kept coming out, I
feel like, Okay, I was getting more and more on board,
but I think I would still put that first season
over this, uh for sure. I just the finale was
really really damaging. Not happy with how they did certain
things and executed other narratives and just their focuses and
how they're expediting things. It was just it was not
not my cup of tea. Is a shame because, like
I said, things were progressively getting better. Last week's episode
was absolutely a highlight. Really enjoyed it, but yeah, a
last this is what we got fifty eight minutes, and
it just didn't bring or make the most of that time.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately.
Speaker 4: It just felt like there was a lot of setup,
which I don't know. I feel like it's been a
while since I've seen a big Game of Thrones. You
see this thing where like the you get to that
second final episode that would be like the big battle,
the big thing whatever, and then you'd have like that
one fall off or not fall off, but like post
episode at the end of like episode twelve or thirteen
of season one or two, and that would just kind
of give you, like the cool down, and it would
just kind.
Speaker 3: Of set things up for what's to come next and
so forth.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's what happened here, but I don't
like it in this sense. I wish that, you know,
in this sense, it would have been more of like
a start to finish cohesive story, especially when you have
James Gunn saying like, oh, you know season three, yeah,
twenty years from now?
Speaker 3: Who knows? So not a full quote from.
Speaker 2: Twenty years season three. Yeah, well, there he goes le Jean,
we have done it. Let us know. So we got
the discord, let us know what you thought about the
finale on Twitter, YouTube, Discord, Patreon, wherever it may be.
And then yeah, we'll be back for more DCU stuff.
I guess we don't have a date for Lanterns, but
I'm gonna assume we're talking about today. It's probably anywhere
from March to April, because they're kicking the year off
with the Night of the Seven Kingdoms or whatever the
game thrown. So that's gonna go January to February, so
I imagine March April we'll be back talking about that, and yeah,
hopefully hopefully it's a more overall obviously not a super negative.
It's not. We're not talking about some alien Earth endings here,
but obviously I would like I hope we soon get
a DCU project where we're all in sync and we're
giving it like a ten or nine, you know, something
like that would be great. But maybe it's Lanterns. Maybe
it's not until that too. I don't count that as DCU.
You know that's not it's gonna be. I'm gonna alright,
let's get out. Thank you very much, promising your next
will be boring.
Speaker 1: H