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Seattle's Jungle Killer takes you inside a world 35 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.439 where depravity and evil are met by some of the 36 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:55.760 best homicide detectives in this Seattle Police department. One of them, 37 00:01:55.799 --> 00:02:00.519 author and retired detective Mike Sizenski, was one of the 38 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:03.040 guys whose mission it was to hunt the men who 39 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:07.079 hunt women. In this real life murder investigation, you discover 40 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:11.080 how Detective Sizenski and his partners pursued a serial killer's 41 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:15.919 trail and how technique, persistence, and luck prompted the killer 42 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.400 to confess the truth. The book that we're featuring this 43 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:23.159 evening is Seattle's Jungle Killer, a detective's account of the 44 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:27.080 first serial killer convicted in Seattle. With my special guests, 45 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:31.759 journalist and author Mike Sinzenski. Welcome to the program, and 46 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:38.080 thank you very much for this interview. Michael Sizensky, all. 47 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.120 Right, thank you very much for having me. Dan, I 48 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.879 really appreciate it, and he did a pretty good pronouncing 49 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:45.240 my last name Sazansky. 50 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.159 Thank you very much, Thank you very much. I'm notorious 51 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.759 for mangling names, so thank you very much for helping 52 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.919 me with that. Let's start off first off, tell us 53 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.599 about your background as a Seattle police officer, a police 54 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.199 officer in general, and how many years you were in 55 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.000 homicide as a homicide detective. 56 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:10.960 Well, I started. I started in the police department in 57 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.800 a police apartment in nineteen eighty. It seemed like yesterday, 58 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.879 but I guess it's quite a way great yesterday in 59 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.919 South Chicago, Illinois, a police department called carimat City, Illinois, 60 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.800 which bordered Chicago. That I was born and raised in Chicago, 61 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.719 then moved to cal City and I became a policeman 62 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:32.319 there in nineteen eighty. I worked for about two years 63 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.360 and it ends my pants and wanted to move around. 64 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:40.439 So then I moved over to Wyoming, and which is 65 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.000 kind of shocking for a Chicago boy to go to Wyoming. 66 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.159 And I worked there in Casper for about a year 67 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.479 and a half before moving on to Seattle, and I 68 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.400 got I was hired by started the police Academy in 69 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:59.120 Seattle on my birthday, October third. But I as October third, 70 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:03.120 nineteen eighty three when I started and I worked. I 71 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.360 worked patrol for a couple of years. Then I was 72 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.560 recruited to work undercovering narcotics during the drug wars in 73 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:14.479 nineteen nineteen mid eighties, and then I went into through 74 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.720 robbery unit in nineteen ninety I believe, and I worked 75 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.079 at robberies and I rotated along with a homicide squad, 76 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:29.480 and then then I was recruited and I was smaller 77 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:34.040 to homicide detective in ninety four, and there I stayed 78 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:38.720 for I stayed for ten years working regular homicides, and 79 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:43.319 then I think was around two thousand and four, two 80 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.879 thousand and five, somewhere around there, I was asked if 81 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.920 I wanted to go to cold case, and that's where 82 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.759 I did. I went to Cold Case. That I stayed 83 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.240 there for I think twelve years. So I'd never planned 84 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:58.199 on spending twenty two years working homicide cases in cold cases, 85 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:02.120 but that's where I ended up going, and it was 86 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.040 very rewarding, but I was also I was ready to 87 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:06.920 leave when I left a couple of years ago. 88 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.319 Right, you take us right to a place called in 89 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:18.879 Seattle called the Jungle in Seattle's downtown Core tell us 90 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:23.120 why it's called the jungle, and before we talk about 91 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:31.000 the first victim of found in the Jungle, Denise Harris. 92 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.399 The jungle is an area right below east of the 93 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:40.199 Old Veterans' Hospital and right next to downtown, right next 94 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.759 to the I five freeway which runs north and south 95 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.639 and an I ninety which runs east and west. And 96 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.399 that's what it's bordered by. And it's probably, I'm not 97 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.439 quite sure how big. I'd say, you know, a couple 98 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.639 of hundred acres and maybe a little bit more than 99 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:04.000 that completely done a deep grade hillside on a lot 100 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.480 of foliage and a lot of trees. Uh. Mostly people 101 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:13.439 are there are transience and we call them transients, and 102 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:15.920 people who have menial issues we call them two twenties. 103 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.680 That's the signal for some of them who has mental issues. 104 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.920 And one of the reasons why these people are up 105 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:29.399 there on these transients that have some mental problems are 106 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.600 is they cannot function in hanging around with the regular 107 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:39.560 transience downtown. They just don't have the you know, the 108 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:41.959 mental capacity to deal with these people. And they didn't. 109 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.720 I'm killing somebody who don't kill themselves, so they want 110 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:48.079 to be by themselves and as they go to these camps. 111 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.879 Well some of these camps though, there are some other 112 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.720 people go there and they set up bregor just some 113 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.040 are really really nice, you know, tents and campsites. Some 114 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.279 of them are just horrid. Well, we'll talk about what 115 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.600 they used to be like. And they go out there 116 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.600 and that's what they hang They they do their drinking 117 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:12.199 there and they're socializing and they'll run places, get food, 118 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.680 come back and that's where they want to stay. And 119 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.639 it's like it's just in a different world. But one 120 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.319 thing I really know when I no time I'd ever 121 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:23.360 go up there was when I had a dead body 122 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:28.240 shooting or something. But loud. It was so loud from 123 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.879 the traffic, the traffic noise, you know, because you're surrounded 124 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.959 by the freeways there, and even though you're in this 125 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.759 wooded area, uh, it's you know, it's it's quite noisy, 126 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:43.240 and it is a very very spooky place to be. 127 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.279 Let's talk about the first victim, and you talk about 128 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:52.199 this Denise Harris hanging around a bar called the Turf Bar, 129 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.319 a restaurant and bar in the Pike Place market section 130 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.040 of downtown Seattle. And from the bar ten here there 131 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.160 was a description of what went on and who spotted 132 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.399 Denise and her behavior. So tell us a little bit 133 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:11.839 about what this bartender says and observes about Denise Harris 134 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:13.519 this night in the turf Bar. 135 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:17.800 Well, Denise was. Denise was a regular and a few 136 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.360 of the bars there, and she come in by herself. 137 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:29.759 And Denise is an attractive woman, African American, long thick hair, 138 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:36.080 ponytail back. She was a trained teacher, but because of 139 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.799 some alcohol and narcotic issues, she can never really hold 140 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:44.080 on a job. She was living with a boyfriend on 141 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.399 and off again. But I mean there she would just 142 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.399 stay there until she goes out at night, and then 143 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.240 we're going to come back for a couple of days. 144 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.240 So Denise goes into the turf Bar, which is no 145 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.000 longer there anymore, goes in the turf Bar and she 146 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.480 sits down there and orders a drink and and I 147 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.799 forgot what kind of cigarettes she smoked, but there like 148 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.519 some European type cigarettes. And she'd sit there in the 149 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.000 bartender and say, oh yeah, yes, she was in here 150 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:12.919 her usual self. Then she starts getting drunk and starts 151 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.679 getting nasty with me, and then I ended up cutting 152 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:19.639 her off and telling her she's got to get out 153 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.200 of here, and she she gets up from the she 154 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:26.720 gets up from the table from the bar and says 155 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.879 walking outside, you know, swinging her long ponytail. And before 156 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.360 she walks out, she yells at the bartender and flips 157 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:39.559 them off, and out she goes. So when we're doing 158 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.120 our canvas thing, that's how I end up running into 159 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.320 the bartender asking him to you know him no her, 160 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:47.360 Oh yeah, And I knew the nise and also talked 161 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:49.559 to he said she may have went to this bar 162 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:51.799 and this other bar and this other bar. So I 163 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:53.879 ended up going to like four or five different bars, 164 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:55.840 me and my partner Dick Keg, and we go all 165 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:57.720 these bars. Oh yeah, we knew Denise. You know, she 166 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.879 has a pain. She get drunk, and then she started, 167 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:05.279 you know, going out getting hide with some some guys 168 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.679 and come back and she just get nastier and nasty 169 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:09.559 until we had eighty six or out of the place. 170 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.840 And every place we went to that was about the 171 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:15.519 same story. What we was where was God bought her 172 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.159 and uh and so we're just trying to track crew 173 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.480 movements now and that's what that's how that's how it started. 174 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.360 Yeah, you're right about the beginning of this investigation. When 175 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:35.000 you get involved with this, you tell us how this 176 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:40.000 becomes your assignment and and your partner Dick Gan, as 177 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.600 you mentioned, So tell us how that comes to you 178 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.720 that you would are assigned this case. 179 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:49.200 Well, you know how we got to sign this case 180 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:53.919 is really was you know, it's really defined my career. 181 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.159 Later on, I was at a symposium talking about UH 182 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.799 attending to schools, and we were talking about serial murderers 183 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:06.320 and and we had different people leave it and rule 184 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:08.320 the writer who was there, she was presenting some of 185 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.720 the cases where I where later on became quite friends 186 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.919 with that was in a couple of her books. And 187 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.559 we had other you know, de gators and prosecutors talking 188 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.039 about serial mod cases. But as a young homicide detective, 189 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.919 you know, and which I was, you know then in 190 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.720 nineteen ninety seven, I never thought I would never work 191 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:30.360 as serial case. They never gave any thought, None of 192 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.080 us did, because you know, that's just something that really 193 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.840 wasn't you know, very rarely did somebody work a cereal 194 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:41.759 murder case. So that's that's you know, that's how it starts, 195 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.440 and that's we got something that came back from doing 196 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:48.279 the going to this class, and uh, we have thing 197 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:51.440 that's called next up. Who's next up for the next homicide? 198 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.320 That I mean is my partner Dick gag and I. 199 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.360 So they'd say, uh, one of the next up guys 200 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:59.399 are you and you got a homicide in the wooded 201 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.360 area in the jungle? He said, Oh, you gotta be 202 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.960 kidding in the jungle. Yeah, the jungle is and it's 203 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.200 a it's a woman. So it's a little different twist 204 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:12.399 on things. Who I say when it's a woman. Uh okay, 205 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:15.600 if it's the usual homicide where some guys getting you know, 206 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.720 some guy's gonna fight, some guy gets stabbed, or uh, 207 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.519 some guys some gang bangers, you know, shooting at each other. 208 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:27.039 You know that's usually the norm. But uh okay, So uh, 209 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:29.559 Dick and I pack up our stuff and you know, 210 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:33.360 Dick's you know, complained to me and uh and I'm 211 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.840 laughing now because we're supposed to go to I think 212 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:38.320 a retiring part of that night for mother homicide effective. 213 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:42.519 There's a beautiful, beautiful Stumber Day was Stumber twelfth, nineteen 214 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.519 ninety seven years ago. And uh so we got out 215 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.360 to the jungle and uh, we go out there and 216 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.200 there's uh, the state police are around there, and I 217 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:53.600 talked to this trooper and the troopers says, yeah, I 218 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:55.639 was sitting over here or on the side of the 219 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:59.360 road writing up some reports or some citations, and two 220 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.480 trains came and they said, hey, there's a body up 221 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:05.159 over here, come with us and we'll take you to it. Well, 222 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.159 he's smart enough, he's not going to go up into 223 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:10.960 the jungle with these two transients. So he calls system 224 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.960 back up and he goes up there with five other 225 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:20.200 troopers and they're marching on up there, and uh then 226 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.000 all of a sudden, there they get there, they see 227 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.480 the victim, loves is later identified as Denise Hers, laying down. 228 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.519 She's on the ground and fully clothed. Her pants are a 229 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.960 little bit dirty, she's wearing gym shoes, and she's got 230 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:43.720 a gag in her mouth, and you know, there's uh, 231 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:50.159 look at surely around her neck muscle and and her 232 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:55.399 and her hands are tied. And so I'm looking down 233 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.799 and I'm there looking at the body down and I'm 234 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.720 looking and saying, well, what's you Something just really really 235 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.840 looked out of place, and it's and it was the 236 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.840 bindings on her hand and whether from her these shoelaces 237 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:08.360 and I could look down and I can see that, 238 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:12.399 you know, her shoes are on, but there's no lacism 239 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.960 and the hands Like when I talk about this, you know, 240 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:17.679 if you're going to tie somebody up, you're going to 241 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.919 tie their hands together, right, the wrists together in front 242 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:22.720 of them or the back of them. The restrict your 243 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.120 moment movement. It's like when they put handcuffs on somebody 244 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:27.639 getting cupped up, get them behind your back. Is you 245 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:29.799 know you want them to bring on her hands? These 246 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:34.080 these laces are they're tight on the wrist, but her 247 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.639 hands are like about you know, so what's what's the 248 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:38.960 use of that? You know, I thought it was kind 249 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:40.720 of or unless you do maybe it's it's easier to 250 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:46.360 carry somebody. So she has no identification. There's no purse 251 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:53.080 there or wallets on the ground, and there's betefactor besides 252 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.360 those other two transients. It's the only one the people 253 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.960 we see in there. So we take care of business 254 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.480 and we you know, we probably the scene and we 255 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.399 don't process the scene when you have a another team 256 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:08.960 processing scene. And I know she's right right next to 257 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.799 this one. Little homeless camp. And one of the things 258 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.399 I noticed they have, you know, you can tell people 259 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.120 are sitting would be sitting around drinking and throwing the 260 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:20.799 beers into a pile. I mean, I don't know how 261 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.159 many people are doing it, but a huge pile. But 262 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:27.840 on one of the branches there's an impaled beer camp. 263 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.159 But that's kind of weird, you know, just a little 264 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.799 branch sign. Somebody stuck it on there, and that will 265 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.200 come into play later down in the story. So when 266 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.759 I totally at tectus scenes, like I said, take a 267 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.360 picture of that, she only took pictures of everything. Were 268 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:43.759 going to take a picture of a can of bears 269 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.600 then just just you know, humor me, and I know, 270 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.200 if forget doing it, and they're kind of you know, 271 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.399 they take it and take a picture of the can. 272 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.080 I says, it's kind of identifiable. And then off we 273 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.320 go to try to identify the victim. And and then 274 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:01.440 later on we do get a a name and an 275 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.639 address for and here, and the name was Denise Harris. 276 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:10.679 And so where we go We find her address, and 277 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.320 we go we go to meet the gag and go 278 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.960 to her address, knock on the door, and a gentleman 279 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.639 opens the door and you know, what can we do 280 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:24.320 for you? He goes, this is about Denise, right, He 281 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:29.840 said yes, sir, and she did and my partner looked 282 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.039 at he said yes. Yes. He goes, come on in, 283 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:35.240 and then he goes on to tell the story. He 284 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:37.320 goes on and tells the story about her and about 285 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.960 how she'd be you know, she'd be going off and 286 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.159 she'd have a drinking prom and narcotics and sweeping around 287 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.879 and she gave him disease one time. So so he 288 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:54.200 told us and it was, it was, it was. It 289 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.240 was very you know, we found out where he was 290 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:58.879 at lately and gave us a picture of her, and 291 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:02.039 it was just very very very Uh, it was very sad. 292 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.240 We walked out of the place. We gave our cards. 293 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:06.759 We walk in Dick and I and Dick is, no, 294 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:08.880 what do you think? I said, that's not the guys, 295 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:13.680 And they say yeah, he said, sap. You know, here 296 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:15.799 he stays with this woman and he knows she's out 297 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.880 running around and you know, he's been drunk and sleeping 298 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.160 around and he's still nobody's in love with her. You know, 299 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:23.880 they they met. I think I think they met in 300 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.799 the Las Vegas or something. So that's that's that was. 301 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:29.880 So now we just have now we got we got 302 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.480 her name. We got to try and identify, uh who 303 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:33.960 she was with. That's when we went to all the 304 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.960 bars that she would hang out at and and she 305 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:42.279 was mostly a loner, no girlfriends or nothing like that, 306 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.200 but just going out there drinking and drinking. And they 307 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:51.119 had a substance abuse from m and which many of 308 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:54.640 the victims when you have cases like this, are you 309 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.519 having some kind of drug problem. So we worked the 310 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:01.359 case for months, you know, you know, chasing down leads 311 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:05.319 maybe it's this guy, maybe it's that guy, and not 312 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:09.119 getting anywhere. And in the meantime we're still now we're 313 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.880 you know, Thomas said, you know, it sce Tember, and 314 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.079 so other cases are coming up and stuff. We got 315 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.039 to go work other cases, work at the crime scenes. 316 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:19.359 And but when in a case like this, you know 317 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.039 you're really working because it was so unique, I mean 318 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.759 with the having somebody tied up and bound and stuff 319 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:28.559 like that. And uh, that's what we did. And so 320 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:33.440 we just kept looking the case and then another another 321 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:40.880 victim uh came into play. Her name was you know, Antimate, 322 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:46.079 Antimate Antonate Jones. They called her, they called her Tony 323 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.000 and once again, uh, she's the other girl. She was 324 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:58.799 half white, half African American and uh street life, prostitution, 325 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.960 drug mostly drug abuse and uh kind of a petite, 326 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.799 petite thing. And she'd hang on the Pioneer Square area, 327 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:12.119 which is right downtown. But we find her body. A 328 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:16.720 couple of transients are walking and clicking, clicking like boxes. 329 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:20.279 Uh the cardboard, I mean, I pulls over this cardboard 330 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:25.559 and there's a decomposed body and uh later identified as 331 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:30.720 antimate Intimate Jones. Well it's hurt, but you know, her 332 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:32.640 skeleton remains. And they got her up on an Autosi 333 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:34.960 table and taking picture and you can see she has 334 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:37.359 a ligature around her throat and a gag in her 335 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.559 mouth and it's skeletonized now. And so there's a skull 336 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.720 and it's very creepy looking picture, you know, because there's 337 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:47.960 a skull with the mouth why gaping open and with 338 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.079 the I think it was that question. I think is 339 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:56.000 either braziers or pantic was used as a gag in 340 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:02.799 her mouth, and then her hands are bound also. It 341 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.160 was you know, it was, it was, it was. And 342 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:09.599 we look at those you know later on it wasn't 343 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:13.039 my case. It was detectives quite Siger's case. And then 344 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:15.640 it comes up and she releases on her hands also. 345 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.240 So we're working, we're working the we're working the case. 346 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:23.839 Well actually it wasn't quite Sagres case of some other 347 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.480 detectives case. And they're working the case and until until 348 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.200 later on they says, now this is like the same killer. 349 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:32.720 We both that they proved both of the cases, and 350 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:35.599 they decided to the powers, they decided to give us 351 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:39.200 the cases to work both of them in which we do. 352 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:45.319 So we started working the case and chasing down LAIDs, 353 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:50.880 interviewing once again, interviewing transients that they have some menial issues, 354 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:52.799 you know, and nobody want to be there, but you 355 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.960 know they are cooperating semi and so there we just 356 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.839 we just go on and keep working and I'm working 357 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:04.559 on working all the cases. And there was a uh 358 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:07.079 it was it was now now we're getting into into 359 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:12.359 the winter. We're getting into winter. And get a get 360 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.559 a phone call. I get a phone call collect. You know, 361 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:19.319 you got a collect call from the King County jail. Fall, 362 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.960 said Dwayne Harris. Do you accept the drugger is now 363 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.400 except you know, let's kick I get those all the time, 364 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:29.960 you know, all the dectives that guys calling up they 365 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:31.440 want to get out of the other one, help us 366 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:35.079 find the bad guy, or you know whatever. And uh, 367 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:39.319 this guy say's talking to me about the case, and 368 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:40.920 you see, I'll help you with that case. You know, 369 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:43.400 you got to come get me out of jail. You know, 370 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:44.839 I just want that's what I want. I want to 371 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:48.799 be out of here. Yeah, right, yeah, coming back in 372 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.319 the aston. Well he does call back. In fact, I 373 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.680 come in sometimes and I have four or five messages 374 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:58.440 on my phone and these guys. So he goes, I'll 375 00:21:58.440 --> 00:21:59.880 tell you something about this case. I just want to 376 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.680 was you know I was there, man, I know the 377 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:05.880 guy who probably did this because I was there. He goes, 378 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:08.480 I'll tell you something. You don't know. He never found 379 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:13.079 her purse, did you. And I'm thinking, man, how do 380 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.559 you know that? You know, because we didn't find her purse. 381 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:19.839 So I end up later on I go and I 382 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:24.279 get him out of get him out of jail, and 383 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:26.400 you bring him out of jail, and uh, he take 384 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.400 us up to the crime scene. And he's a big guy. 385 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:37.319 He's he's he's a really really a big guy now, 386 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.759 Dwayne Harris is his name and no relation to the 387 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:43.960 niece herst And he's got a tattoo on his arm 388 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:49.559 Chili Willy and they call me Chili Willie. And he's 389 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:54.279 got a couple of bum tattoo tears down his cheek, 390 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:58.240 which some gangs say that's like for the movie which 391 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:05.319 kind of shooting game that movie something, but it changes. So, uh, 392 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:08.440 we got him, you know, said he's be strapping dude. 393 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:11.240 He's I'm sick here. He's probably least six to one, 394 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.720 you know, I mean, uh, and you could tell he's 395 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.440 kind of a tough dude. Uh. So we got a 396 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.880 wet ankle chains on him and we also have a 397 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:25.319 big belt around his waist with handcuffed to his to 398 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.519 his side and uh, he says, yeah, this is where 399 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.400 he brings up there and he's pretty close to where 400 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.160 he puts these hares his body hip in the jungle. Yeah. 401 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:36.920