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<v Speaker 1>Seven oh six on Thursday here at fifty five krc

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<v Speaker 1>DE talk station, Brianton is happy to walking on with

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<v Speaker 1>the five CARC Morning Show from an amazing institute. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Classical Academy and joining me this morning, doctor J. D.

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<v Speaker 1>Harding's president of the Sincanti Classical Academy. Welcome, doctor, it

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<v Speaker 1>is a pleasure to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to be back, Thanks, Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>I always love talking to you and it's really inspiring

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing at the Sincant Classical Academy. I will

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<v Speaker 1>let my listeners know they too can find out for

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<v Speaker 1>themselves since he with a y, since heclassical dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where you can learn about the classical education that

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<v Speaker 1>your children will learn at the Sincant Classical Academy. First off, question,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm staring at your web page right now. The news

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<v Speaker 1>school with a time tested tradition. We're talking about classical

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<v Speaker 1>education with I've in into some of the detail of

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<v Speaker 1>what that means, but doctor, it's time tested. The methodology,

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<v Speaker 1>the the the the the the classical education practices that

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<v Speaker 1>you teach children that's in Sant Classical Academy are time tested,

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<v Speaker 1>proven to educate children, period, full stop. I mean it works,

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<v Speaker 1>why did we move away from it? I mean phonics,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, is just a great point. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>can learn to read when you use phonics to learn

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<v Speaker 1>to read, and yet our children are not using phonics,

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<v Speaker 1>and sadly, so many public schools report that they're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the testing other eighth graders reflects that a very small

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<v Speaker 1>percentage can even read at eighth grade level. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>just one of many points we can talk about this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>But why did we move away from what worked?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question, Brian, and then I can't fully

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<v Speaker 3>answer it, but it's been it's been progressing in that

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<v Speaker 3>direction for practically one hundred years now. And there's a

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<v Speaker 3>great podcast asked out there called Sold a Story that

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<v Speaker 3>documents through a five part series, how phonics got pushed

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<v Speaker 3>out of schools beginning like in the nineteen seventies and

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<v Speaker 3>really accelerating through the eighties and nineties. There was a

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<v Speaker 3>big battle in the early two thousands, and yeah, phonics

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<v Speaker 3>was completely replaced by a method called you know, three

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<v Speaker 3>queuing and whole language learning, whereby essentially kids are taught

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<v Speaker 3>just to guess at what words are when they're reading

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<v Speaker 3>by looking at pictures. I mean, it's just absolutely absurd.

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<v Speaker 3>I recommend anyone to go ahead and read that. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, thankfully the or listen to it. But thankfully,

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<v Speaker 3>the state of Ohio last year just passed the law

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<v Speaker 3>requiring schools to use the traditional approach. So going back

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<v Speaker 3>to the method that the Hillsdale affiliated classical schools have

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<v Speaker 3>been using since they started phonics, sentenced diagramming orthography, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the science of spelling, just teaching them actually to

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<v Speaker 3>sound out words and understand the structure of the language

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<v Speaker 3>as it was intended, you know, And.

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<v Speaker 1>That we have to have this conversation as bizarre because

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<v Speaker 1>the time tested, proving strategy or proven teaching methodology of

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<v Speaker 1>phonics always worked to be replaced by this whole language

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<v Speaker 1>method which now we know is time tested to not work.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have to pass laws to put something

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<v Speaker 1>that common sense should have should have told us that

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<v Speaker 1>worked in the first place. We need to bring that

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<v Speaker 1>back because this currently doesn't work. So anyhow, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the legislative branch, or the that that Columbus had

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<v Speaker 1>to do I had to do something about that is preposterous.

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<v Speaker 1>And these decisions are made on a school board level.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct the curriculum the children consume in public schools, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that governed by local school boards primarily or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep? Mostly, and the state legislature.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeez.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, anyway, back to Cincinna classical academy, phonics just one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things. But along the same lines, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that you teach Latin to the students. That's insane classical

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and that's a component of reading and understanding.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and that begins in sixth grade. Actually it starts

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<v Speaker 3>earlier than that, but by teaching them the word roots

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<v Speaker 3>creak and Latin word roots. But it begins formally in

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<v Speaker 3>sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade. It's required,

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<v Speaker 3>and they'll get through three years of Latin by the time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they finished their first year of high school,

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<v Speaker 3>which is really exceptional. I mean, there's just so many

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<v Speaker 3>incredible advantages to learning Latin, but you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest one is that you're you're forced really have

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<v Speaker 3>an understanding of the structure of the English language to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to translate it into an inflected language like

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<v Speaker 3>Latin and translate the Latin back into English. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>do that unless you really understand grammar and parts of speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in grammar and sentence structure and actual following English

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<v Speaker 1>language rules guidelines, isn't even taught anymore. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all living in this text society where we abbreviate words,

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<v Speaker 1>we aren't required to use proper grammar, and no one

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<v Speaker 1>corrects children for inappropriate grammar usage. I remember being at

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<v Speaker 1>one of the schools there was an event that was

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<v Speaker 1>they borrowed one of the local K through twelve schools

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<v Speaker 1>or one of the middle schools to do this event

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend. So I was looking at art and

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<v Speaker 1>drawings and work that students had done that was hanging

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<v Speaker 1>all over the walls, and many of the depictions there

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<v Speaker 1>are many of the words that were used weren't even

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<v Speaker 1>grammatically correct, and yet there they hung on the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't an X through with a red marker saying

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and correcting it. It was just up there for

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<v Speaker 1>all to observe. And what I was observing is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>children who don't understand basic tenets of grammar.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it's all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you, and you know, so many people

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<v Speaker 3>have said, well, you don't need to teach spelling anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to teach.

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<v Speaker 3>Grammar because you know, we have technology. We have autocorrect,

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<v Speaker 3>we have grammarly you know, to to write and correct

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<v Speaker 3>our sentences and word processing programs. I mean, that's it's

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<v Speaker 3>just crazy, because you're depriving children of the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>learn how to think and to form good habits of attention,

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<v Speaker 3>to detail and to and to go through the struggle

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<v Speaker 3>of writing a good sentence and and and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're turning back to the traditional approach. We don't use

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<v Speaker 3>technology in the classroom. We don't use computers. We require,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, human intelligence to be developed rather than relying

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<v Speaker 3>on software.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and part of the knowledge and uh that you

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<v Speaker 1>teach there the idea of logic and reason. And I

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<v Speaker 1>circled these two words, Socratic dialogue. I loved college because

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<v Speaker 1>and this back when I was in college, you actually

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in debates and discussion and the exchange of ideas

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<v Speaker 1>and the breaking down of ideas. Law school was great

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<v Speaker 1>for the Socratic method, and I really enjoyed law school

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<v Speaker 1>for that matter, for that as well. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful teaching mechanisms. The Socratic method.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, absolutely and uh, you know you mentioned rhetoric and logic.

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<v Speaker 3>These are required courses and you know in a in

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<v Speaker 3>a classical curriculum, so these are not optional or elective.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know this is core stuff that every you know,

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<v Speaker 3>well furnished educated mind needs to have the skills to

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<v Speaker 3>execute well.

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<v Speaker 1>In the other area that children seem to be suffering

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<v Speaker 1>these days, and the numbers prove it out, mathematics. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know you have a very strong emphasis at the

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<v Speaker 1>Sincin Classical Academy on the better way, the classical way

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<v Speaker 1>to teach mathematic mathematics. Tell my listeners about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that that follows the Singapore Math curriculum is

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<v Speaker 3>what we use.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the country of Singapore, you know, was number

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<v Speaker 3>one in the world for I don't know a decade

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<v Speaker 3>straight in mathematics instruction. So uh, Hillsdale College uh uh

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<v Speaker 3>took up their approach and use uses that curriculum.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I mean our our our math and science.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people look at you know, classical liberal education uh

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<v Speaker 3>and think, well, it's all literature and reading, but in

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<v Speaker 3>fact our our science and math scores are are off

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<v Speaker 3>the charts as well. In fact, in fact, our schools.

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<v Speaker 3>Just just this past year and it's in its second year,

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<v Speaker 3>two schools in the state of Ohio recognized that the

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<v Speaker 3>State Science Fair by the Ohio Academy of Science, and

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<v Speaker 3>when we were one of them, which was really pretty gratifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in just two years, doctor, I mean, and this

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<v Speaker 1>irks me, you know, you you pointed the Singapore mathemathod

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<v Speaker 1>it has worked so wonderful for the country that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a worthy endeavor to look into it and find

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<v Speaker 1>out why they're so great at math. Maybe we might

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<v Speaker 1>want to adopt that approach. Welcome to the right way

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<v Speaker 1>to do things. It's like critical analysis of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the education landscape. Much like you teach critical analysis to

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<v Speaker 1>your students at the classical academy. Maybe more educators should

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<v Speaker 1>be involved in critical analysis of what's working and what's

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<v Speaker 1>not and adopt what's working, like the methodology. It's since

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<v Speaker 1>a classical academy, which got you the state recognition in

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<v Speaker 1>just two years, gollly Chacter pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable, it really is. Yeah. And then in the first

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<v Speaker 3>year last year, you know, we were we were rated

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<v Speaker 3>the number one charter school in the state of Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>for early literacy, that's two hundred and fifty charter schools.

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<v Speaker 3>We finished number one in the state, and actually we

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<v Speaker 3>were if you consider all the public schools in southwest

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio across like ten counties, all the later Cincinnati area,

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<v Speaker 3>of all the public schools, whether charter or district, we

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<v Speaker 3>were number four in early literacy.

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<v Speaker 2>That was in our first year.

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<v Speaker 3>So even when you're talking about, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 3>the great public schools that we have in Indian Hill

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<v Speaker 3>and Wyoming or Madeira number four, and our test results

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<v Speaker 3>this year have been even better. So I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 3>just off to a lightning start, and the demand for

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<v Speaker 3>the school and its growth has just been a really

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<v Speaker 3>pretty exceptional We've got we're going to be full kindergarten

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<v Speaker 3>through eighth grade this year with seven hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>kids and north of four hundred students on the wait

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<v Speaker 3>list to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>See you anticipated where I was going. If you build it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you build it better, they will come and they

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<v Speaker 1>will stand in line and get on a wait list

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<v Speaker 1>to go. This is what I think is the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>concern for the public schools. They don't want free choice

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't want school choice for the students. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to have to compete with a Sincinni classical

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<v Speaker 1>academy because they can't. I mean, that's really what this

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<v Speaker 1>boils down to. And you know what, doctor Harding's my

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<v Speaker 1>point being, ultimately they could compete if they adopted these

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<v Speaker 1>teaching methodologies. That's so heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>So what is the battle?

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<v Speaker 2>You know a lot of people try to get on the.

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<v Speaker 3>School boards and change things. But you know, my brother

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<v Speaker 3>while ago, and he fought that battle for ten years

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<v Speaker 3>and he can get nowhere. The interests are just so entrenched.

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<v Speaker 1>The interests which are not the interests of the students

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<v Speaker 1>and interest in teaching students and educating students, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the interest of the adults and of the educators

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<v Speaker 3>and of the publishing companies.

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<v Speaker 2>Which you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 1>Publishing companies can teach the can print classical education materials,

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't be out of a job. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>they're demonstrably failing the country and the student I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>your school is an illustration of it. You got people

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it doesn't benefit them. Their failure hurts them

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<v Speaker 1>as well because people want to flee that learning environment

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not one. That's what creates the demand for

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<v Speaker 1>educational choice. My child is in a failing school. They're

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<v Speaker 1>has facilitated your success.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, but they're not held accountable because they have

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<v Speaker 3>monopolies on you know, publicly funded education, and they fight

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<v Speaker 1>So well, doctor Harding's, I want to congratulate you for

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<v Speaker 1>the amazing successes since I Classical Academy has had in

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<v Speaker 1>just the two short years it's been around. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>school year is filled seven hundred and fifty. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>currently taking applications for the twenty four twenty five school

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<v Speaker 1>year or have you already got a waitlist on that one?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that opens up.

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<v Speaker 3>That will open up in December December through story next year,

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<v Speaker 3>and next year we'll be adding a ninth grade class

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<v Speaker 3>and then we'll keep going until until we have our

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<v Speaker 3>first graduating class in about five four years from now.

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<v Speaker 3>So we do have exciting news on the campus front.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we went through quite a saga trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find a permanent location where we could locate, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>all K through twelveth grade, thirteen hundred students.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and we've decided to have two campuses.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to be purchasing our currently leased campus and

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<v Speaker 3>reading for K through four and we're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>purchasing and developing a nine acre property, the former Bellcan

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<v Speaker 3>moving in there next summer. So we're really excited now

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<v Speaker 3>to know where we're going to be for the next

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<v Speaker 3>several decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing, amazing results, great news, fantastic, it's good for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>UH find out about it online. Good since yclassical dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find them right there. Since I'm sorry dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>since he with the y Classical dot org. Doctor Harding's

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations on the success. Thank you for what you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of the young people actually getting educations in

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<v Speaker 1>this classical environment. And I wish you all the success

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<v Speaker 1>of the world as you rapidly expand because of your success.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much, Brian, My pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>You always welcome here in the morning show. I love

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