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It's time for this week's Interview Classic, 25 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.760 where Wade Killer interviews one of pro wrestling's newsmakers. 26 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:34.000 Ten years ago. This week I interviewed PJ. Pilaco, better 27 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.200 known as Just Incredible, former ECW champion and a take 28 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.200 team with land Storm, among mating other accomplishments in pro wrestling, 29 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:43.239 an honorary member of the Clique for a little while 30 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.000 in the nineties, and we talked about a wide array 31 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:49.640 of topics with live callers and emails coming in, including 32 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.000 what had gone wrong with WWB lately, is Sadao a 33 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.319 Tommy slash Kenta, doomed Yes pros and cons of Roman 34 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.879 reigns as push first Tan, comparisons between being e WWE wrestler, 35 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:04.560 the language barrier between wrestlers in the ring, and how 36 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:06.920 wrestlers work through that when they're working with each other. 37 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:11.280 Also thoughts on brock Lesner's conditioning Rybeck is Samizane too 38 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.199 much like Daniel Bryan and much more. There is a 39 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.639 VIP previously VIP exclusive after show that is included for 40 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:21.800 free on this flashback. This show originally live streamed ten 41 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.360 years ago this week on September twenty fifth, twenty fourteen, 42 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:29.879 and it is today's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast Interview 43 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.879 Classic for Thursday, September twenty six, twenty twenty four. 44 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:48.319 Now, Welcome to the p W Torch Live Cast. I 45 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.599 am Wade Keller, not James Caldwell. I'm editor and publisher 46 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:55.120 with the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter since nineteen eighty seven 47 00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:00.120 and also pwtorch dot com since nineteen ninety nine and 48 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.840 host of this the PW Torch Live Cast, approaching its 49 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.319 five year anniversary here at blog talk radio dot com, 50 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.719 the only live five days a week, Monday through Friday, 51 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:13.120 pro wrestling talk show that invites your calls and emails 52 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:17.159 with special guests and a rotation of hosts, and we 53 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.520 thank you for joining us today Thursday September twenty fifth, 54 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:25.199 two thousand fourteen. James Caldwell and Greg Parks will be 55 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.479 hosting tomorrow and we are flipping days and Interview Friday 56 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:33.439 once again has moved to Thursday, so it is Interview Thursday, 57 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:37.199 and today's guest is a returning guest, and we're very pleased. 58 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.120 I'm very pleased. I don't know who we is. I 59 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:43.599 am very pleased to welcome former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, 60 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:48.439 former longtime WWE wrestler Just Incredible, also known as PJ 61 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.680 Bilocko by most people these days. PJ. Welcome to the. 62 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.560 Show HALLAI wait, nice to be here, man, It's. 63 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.439 Great to have you back on the program. You follow 64 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:01.960 WWE closely, an eye on what's going on in the 65 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:03.800 wrestling industry, and I want to focus on that on 66 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.000 today's show, and I want to get to phone calls 67 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:08.960 quickly also, so if you're wanted to get on the 68 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.000 phone lines, I'm anticipating a short wait before we start 69 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.400 hearing you either vent a little bit or or expressed 70 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.439 concern or look on the bright side of what is 71 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:21.319 going on in WWB today. One of the topics I'm 72 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:25.240 curious to hear from callers on Justin and we'll delve 73 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.040 into this is the pros and cons of WWE having 74 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:33.639 a choice this January about and this might simplify their options. 75 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:37.360 Things could change. But if brock Lesner is still the 76 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:42.000 champion undefeated in WWE, has a choice of a returning 77 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.759 healthy Daniel Bryan, of returning healthy a Roman Reigns or 78 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.519 Dean Ambrose maybe gaining some momentum hopefully not being hurt 79 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.079 by being on TV more. Now, which of those three 80 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.079 do you go with to win the World Rumble in 81 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.199 face brock Lessner ort WrestleMania And if you have a 82 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.240 fourth option that you think is a dark horse candidate, 83 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:00.399 give us a call and tell us that too. And 84 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.759 our phone number here is six four, six seven two one, 85 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:09.839 nine to eight to eight. Peage your thoughts on that 86 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:13.600 starting question. I'm curious what you think now that Roman 87 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.079 Reigns is out with hernia surgery, out for one to 88 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:17.120 three months estimated. 89 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:22.360 Well, I mean, you know, I would love to see 90 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.439 Daniel Brian come back healthy. I'm sure he's lost, you know, 91 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.480 just naturally being off his television. I'm sure he's lost 92 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.800 a little bit of momentum. But uh, you know that 93 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.560 would certainly that'd be a hell of a matchup brock Lessener, 94 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:37.240 Daniel Brian, or just to throw a name out, although 95 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.759 I doubt you know this would never happen. Probably but 96 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:42.720 you know, just to see him punk card you always, 97 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.040 you know, just just from well, you know how it 98 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.720 is we all are as fans and what we would 99 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:49.839 like to see. Not saying that that's going to be 100 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.000 a possibility, but you could throw that out there. And 101 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.759 of course the natural one would be Roman Reigns, because 102 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.560 that's what we've all been hearing is where the ww 103 00:05:57.839 --> 00:05:59.759 wants to go. So, I mean, those would be my 104 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.000 but I honestly think it'll probably be Roman Reigns realistically, 105 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.879 with the choice that they're going to go with if 106 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:06.839 he's healthy. 107 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.160 And from what you've seen of Romans so far when 108 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:12.519 he's been getting a singles push since the breakup of 109 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.199 the Shield, you've observed a lot of talent. You were 110 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.199 in the WWF during the rise of some really big 111 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:23.639 stars and you've seen that that that process up close 112 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:28.639 of other wrestlers evaluating their peers, and you've seen management 113 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:33.000 evaluate rising stars. Where does Roman Reigns fall where? Where? 114 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.680 Where do you think his strengths and weaknesses are in 115 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.839 terms of showing that he is on pace to be 116 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.639 at the level that WWE hopes and expects he will. 117 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.079 Be sure, I mean right away, just his look I mean, 118 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:49.240 he's a good looking young man, the long hair, handsome guy, jacked, 119 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.519 you know, great physical conditioning. That's that's one. But two, 120 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.519 he's pretty talented in ring guy. You know, I've seen 121 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.000 I've seen him come, you know, leaps and bounds from 122 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.360 where he was when he started with the Shield. You know, 123 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.839 his probability. A lot of people not but you know 124 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.639 what it is, what it is, and I'm sure with time, 125 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.040 like anything else, you get better. I mean, it's just 126 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:11.279 not a natural thing, especially the way they do it 127 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:14.600 today where they force feed you lines and you pretty 128 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:16.759 much have to do them verbatim, so it's a little 129 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.000 more difficult. But I like what I see from him. 130 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.360 You know, my biggest concern with the way they're handling 131 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:25.639 him is they're so in pushing him down the fans 132 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:30.759 throats mode. He went from being cool to not. So, 133 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:32.800 you know, I don't know, man, because it's just that 134 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:36.240 we the fans, the real smart fans, and the males, 135 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.600 you know, the young males, would drive that conversation of well, 136 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.879 now he's getting pushed down our throats, we're gonna rebel 137 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.879 against him, and he'd be the next John Cena where 138 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.800 he's just you know, he's going to be the WWE's 139 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.439 flag bearer for X amount of time. So I mean, 140 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.199 I think he's doing a great job. I like what. 141 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.279 You know, he still has a ways to go. Now, 142 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.040 we got to see if people be able to carry 143 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.519 you know, fifteen twenty thirty minute main event matches on 144 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:04.639 big time cards. So but I do like what I see, 145 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:06.399 and I think he's got he's got a good move 146 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.240 set and he could work. So I mean, I think 147 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.079 it is it's certainly a big up. 148 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:14.279 Such uh we I've got in this week's Progressing Torture newsletter, 149 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.439 which I just put online earlier today for VAT members 150 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.480 in all text and PDF formats. It looks great on 151 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.560 a tablet if you own an iPad or Android tablet, 152 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:25.560 and we just uh, I just put up this week's 153 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.319 issue when it includes a page and a half of 154 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:32.039 Steve Austin mostly evaluating Roman reigns and giving his thoughts 155 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:36.039 on the pros and what he sees in Roman reigns 156 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:37.759 and also seth throw it. So was he talked about 157 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:39.240 both guys first sets, and then the bulk of it 158 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.840 was Roman reigns. Uh, the strengths and weaknesses of both 159 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:43.279 guys and what they need to do to get to 160 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:47.679 that next level. And with Roman reigns, you mentioned, you know, 161 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.840 maybe he ends up being the guy who John Cena 162 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.840 gets the John Cena reaction. My react. I've thought of 163 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:54.679 that before, and certainly we've seen a little bit of 164 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.879 that page the you know that he's not getting the 165 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.279 reaction that's expected, but I haven't seen a rebellion yet. 166 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:02.519 And the reason I don't think we're as likely to 167 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:06.240 see the you know, let's go Roman Roman sucks phenomenon 168 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.080 that we've seen with Sena is because I think Sena 169 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.840 brings on some of that himself. You know, I think 170 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.840 Sena is And actually, just last Friday on this live cast, 171 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:17.960 I interviewed Chris to Joseph, who was part of the 172 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.360 rise of John Cena on the WWE creative team from 173 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.399 two thousand and five through I think twenty eleven. He 174 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.440 was around a lot at John Cena's rise, and I 175 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.759 asked some point blank, is John Cena a cooler guy 176 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.799 off air? Then he comes across on air and the 177 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.480 Joseph who's been around scene a lot, like I said, 178 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:37.559 you know, was in ww during scene his rise, said 179 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:39.720 oh yeah, he's a cooler guy. Then he comes across 180 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.000 on air. Roman Reigns is from what I've heard from 181 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:48.000 talking to people, Peage is a more witty, personable, intelligent 182 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.600 personality off camera, then he's coming across on television. But 183 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.320 what he but when he is on TV? Unlike Sena, 184 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.360 I don't think Rains comes across is uncool or dorky. 185 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.840 He just comes across as a little too careful. 186 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:06.440 Uh. 187 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.600 That was one of the Steve Austin criticisms that they're 188 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.000 telling Roman don't make mistakes instead of letting them go 189 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:14.000 out there and kind of be a natural way. So 190 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:16.840 I think Roman has less of a chance to get 191 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.080 that mail fan base against him because I think you'll 192 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:20.440 come across as a cooler guy than Sena. 193 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:23.440 We're about to go to a commercial break. Why listen 194 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.399 to commercial breaks when you can go vip and experience 195 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.919 our shows with the ads and plugs removed. Pw torch 196 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:32.720 dot com slash go vip. That's PW torch dot com 197 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.799 slash go vip for full details, or go to Patreon 198 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.480 Patreon dot com slash pw Torch vip rate start as 199 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.720 low as four dollars in ninety nine cents to remove 200 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:44.720 the ads and plugs through Patreon. Full VIP membership starts 201 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.200 at nine dollars in ninety nine cents. Treat yourself to 202 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.519 a streamlined, ad and plug free listening experience with a 203 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.279 VIP or Patreon membership. 204 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:57.440 Sure, well, I mean, you know, I agree with you 205 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:00.000 a little bit, plas. I just worry so much about 206 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.600 how they just present their guys. I mean, they're really 207 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.720 you know, I listened to Steve Austin's podcast, and I've 208 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.919 listened to you, you know, the interviews and stuff that 209 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:10.720 you guys have done, and just one of the main 210 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.360 problems that I see from you know, with organic things happening, 211 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.679 and we really hadn't seen much of it since you know, 212 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.000 maybe Daniel Brian, because I don't know how much exactly 213 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.000 he got interfered with. I just thought, because I know 214 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:26.000 him personally, that you know, that was a pretty authentic 215 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.639 version of who he is. So I just worry with 216 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.519 with them trying to make such a you know, uh, 217 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.440 this this guy to carry this banner of this huge 218 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.000 you know company that they're just going to eventually. You know, 219 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:40.320 I just wish and I know this is never going 220 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:43.039 to happen. They would just allow guys to go out 221 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.240 there to some degree and find themselves, because that's where 222 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.840 the real magic is. I mean, hell, you know, when 223 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.879 I did Austin's podcast not too long ago, you know, 224 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:53.960 just by being in the ring with although Montoya and 225 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:57.399 being able to kind of shoot on me that he 226 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.840 discovered some of the some of the funnier sides or 227 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.480 some the win your side. Because if that stuff was scripted, 228 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:04.720 or you were trying to find that lightning in a bottle, 229 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:08.000 it wouldn't happen off a piece of paper. Sometimes it's 230 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.960 just you know, you're feeding off of that that moment. 231 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.480 I just wish that's something, you know, for them to 232 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.720 really break business open again, they're going to really have 233 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:19.320 to start relying on on some veteran talents to to 234 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.639 step in and maybe help them. I don't know, find 235 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.039 that again, because I think that's what's you know, Unfortunately, 236 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.559 we're just getting. You know, when you have to read 237 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:30.840 a promo and I've been there before, it's your memorizing 238 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:34.679 lines instead of being able to hit bullet points and 239 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.360 bring yourself in there. He seems he seems very capable, 240 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.639 but also very robotic at times. What I think a 241 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.200 lot of those guys, do you know, So even Triple H, 242 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.799 who I know, follows the script from what I've been 243 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.759 told that the writers write, or even he has a 244 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.559 hand in writing whatever, even even he at times stumble 245 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.360 bubbles through words, you know, and that's not that's not 246 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.360 likely of somebody of his caliber, because I think you know, 247 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:00.320 you're it's a one take show, you know, to one 248 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.440 take business. But you're trying to replicate a movie script 249 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.879 instead of what we've done in professional wrestling, which is 250 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:08.919 just to go out there and steal it and do 251 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.279 it so we'll see. 252 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:14.159 Yeah, I think when you're reading a this goes back 253 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.679 to fourth grade or seventh grade speech class. You're not 254 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.240 you know, when you have a speech the teachers and 255 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:20.919 maybe it's a little bit later when they insist on it. 256 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.919 But you work from notes, You work from bullet points. 257 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.440 You don't read from a script, because when you read 258 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.600 from a script, it what happens is a different part 259 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.200 of your brain is working. And what you're doing is 260 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.679 you're looking at words and it's traveling right to your mouth, 261 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.759 right and when you send bullet points, you're seeing ideas 262 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:38.279 and the words that come out of your mouth have 263 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:40.879 to travel through your brain first, and when words travel 264 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:45.799 through your brain, they come out sounding extemporaneous, They sound natural, 265 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.840 they sound like their thoughts you have now that you're speaking, 266 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.559 instead of words that were written down that you're reciting. 267 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.559 And it's a big frustration with WWB that they go 268 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.320 to the extent to that in a kind of a 269 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:02.000 control freakish way to know everything that everybody's going to 270 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:03.960 say before they say it. And I really do think 271 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:08.360 pro wrestling draws fans based on fans feeling a connection 272 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:13.320 emotionally with the babyfaces that they admire, and feel a 273 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.360 different kind of connection of friction with heels that you're 274 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.039 supposed to pay to see get beat up. You want 275 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:21.759 to see them get what they've got coming. And when 276 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.240 everybody's reading scripts PJ, you don't really feel that connection 277 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.399 because they're just trying to recite memorized words. 278 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.480 And if I may real quick, you know just from 279 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:34.600 even this translates to the wrestling. When I would wrestle 280 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:39.000 certain guys both in WWE and DCW, when I wrestled 281 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.639 guys that were more spot orientated, where I had to 282 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.320 remember a lot of material, you could tell that character 283 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.720 wise or my aggression or I didn't sell properly, or 284 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.840 I was looked like I was second guessing because you're 285 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.200 thinking instead of when I was out there with other 286 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.080 you know, other times where we were more ad libbing 287 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.559 or improving, I was more natural and it was just 288 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.399 it flowed better. So, you know, it's a big part 289 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.320 of I think, in my opinion, just maybe I'm a 290 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.120 little too old school now and I know things have 291 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.240 changed dramatically, but I just think they need to trust 292 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:13.000 their their wrestlers a little more and give them a 293 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.320 little bit more of a leash to to, you know, 294 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:19.200 help help them, help them, help the wwe. 295 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:24.559 How much percentage wise in E c W where your 296 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:29.320 promos coached meticulously by Paul Paul Hayman to the point 297 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.240 where he almost had everything mymrize or did you work 298 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.200 out scripts or did you just get kind of bullet 299 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.159 points and speak them. 300 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:41.559 Well, they were meticulously you know produced, let's say, but 301 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.600 you know, not if they were bullet points. If there 302 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.759 was an important part of the promo that Paul felt, 303 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:49.519 you know, it had to go in a certain direction, 304 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.720 then he would, you know, make sure you went in 305 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.840 that direction. But there was no words, weren't put into 306 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.480 our mouths, or you know, he'd have suggestions if there's 307 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.960 something very important. But like I said, we had really 308 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.360 free reign. He said, look, you know you're wrestling, you know, 309 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.519 saboo and anarchy rules you know in Chicago, and this 310 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.399 is you know, he's you know, you've been running from him. 311 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.559 But you know, give you whatever kind of things he 312 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:15.759 wanted to really accentuate. And that's why you went. And 313 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.200 then of course after a couple of cakes, he might 314 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:19.840 say bring it down, you know, reel it in a 315 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.799 little bit, or I need more of this. But really 316 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.320 it was that marriage of that creative put you know, 317 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.320 that a little bit of bancher where it's pulled. You know, 318 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:31.200 you're both kind of in there trying to figure out 319 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.679 what that natural progression is. And that's that's a little 320 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.919 more you know, I get why they do what they 321 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:38.840 do because it's a little more time consuming to do 322 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.200 it the way you know Paul did it, or you 323 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.679 know w W E traditionally did it. You know, sometimes 324 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.600 back in the early nineties to mid nineties when I 325 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.919 was there as Aldo, you know, sometimes we'd be in 326 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.320 the promo rooms till one two in the morning doing 327 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:55.799 all kinds of market specifics and trying to nail down 328 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.399 because of course, back then a lot more was pre 329 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.120 taped than is today, so of course it becomes more 330 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.879 time consuming. But again we were allowed a lot more 331 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.240 for your rain to develop who we were, you know, 332 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.359 And and Paul was great at that. If he saw 333 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.200 something that he liked, sometimes, you know, stuff we came 334 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.240 up with stuff that you know, he like, you know, whatever. 335 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.759 It was, just there were more ideas being thrown into 336 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.160 the pot than being he handed a piece of paper. 337 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:23.319 And I feel when the writers write for these guys, 338 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.200 it's the writer's interpretation of who this guy should be, 339 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:29.759 and they're not letting them be who he is. And 340 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:33.440 I think that's being big, you know, thing that needs 341 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:33.960 to change. 342 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.160 That's question I. 343 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.279 Would think when Paul is talking to you and coaching 344 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.920 you on promos and saying what your emotions are, what's happened, 345 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.680 what's going on with your character, what are his motivations, 346 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:50.160 his frustrations, his aspirations, it gets you in in a 347 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.720 certain place, and and and so it's less important to 348 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.000 then have all the words scripted when you go out there, 349 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.960 because you're feeling what you're saying and you know your 350 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:01.599 character through and through, and it does come across that 351 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:05.960 Roman reigns being so heavily scripted and and wwes and 352 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:07.359 I mean there's good and bad in it. And I've 353 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.680 had ex creative team members on and they defend it 354 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.799 and they talk about us. Some guys just aren't they 355 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.839 They need that scripting in order to survive in a 356 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:16.799 three hour TV environment where you have to cut long 357 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:22.400 promos and so you can adapt each situation. And John 358 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.759 Pymerine was on a few weeks ago kind of explaining, Hey, 359 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.720 when you see words in a script, a lot of 360 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.680 times those are the words that a wrestler came up 361 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:31.839 with that he already spoke and feels, and someone just 362 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.039 transcribed it. And it's just a guy both. So it's 363 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:36.880 not like guys are handed a script they had nothing 364 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:38.359 to do with it, and then they sit and memorize it. 365 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.920 That's not the case with most guys. But I would 366 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.759 think you when Paul Hayman is getting you kind of 367 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.160 in character and repped up, it makes it a lot 368 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.440 easier to give a true emotional based promo instead of 369 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.440 just reciting memorized words that you're nervous, you're gonna get wrong. 370 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:57.160 Absolutely, And Paul the way he did it was I 371 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.839 mean he worked with he was the guy behind the 372 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.839 all those promos, you know, when we would shoot long hours. 373 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.519 I mean there was stories of you know, the talent 374 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:07.519 being in the buildings till four in the morning after 375 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.279 the show had you know, wrapped up to eleven. And 376 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:12.920 you know, he did everyone individually. It's not like he 377 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:14.759 sent a camera crew and there were no writers. There 378 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.359 was Tommy Dreamer and Paul, you know, and Paul did 379 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.119 most of them and uh, you know, and Dreamers sometimes 380 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.319 did the lesser guys. But you know, it's just it 381 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.200 was I guess it's it's I don't know, man, for me, 382 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.240 in what I think professional wrestling is. I know they 383 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.119 don't like the I mean, wrestling is a bad word 384 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.519 in the WWE. 385 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:32.680 But we use it on the show because that's what 386 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:33.039 they are. 387 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.119 Well that's what they are and that's what I am. 388 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:39.240 But you know, it's just it provides a different spark. 389 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:44.160 It provides emotion and frustrations also in the characters. Sometimes 390 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.519 sometimes would you know there's things going on in your 391 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.319 life or in the locker room that you know that 392 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.079 writers may not be in tune to and sometimes those 393 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:56.599 are real emotions that could spark a real thing with 394 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.000 the real, you know, organic thing with the audience. And 395 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.400 and you know, I just I'm I just you know, 396 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.160 I know, I know things are a certain way for 397 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:09.960 a reason. I just don't particularly love the style that 398 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:12.160 they did today as far as the promos. And also, 399 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.000 like you said, I think it should be handled with 400 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:17.799 you know, a guy like you know whomever, a guy 401 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:19.559 like John Cen or some of the guys that don't 402 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.839 need to be as a coach shouldn't have as much 403 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:24.680 or sure to have a hell of a lot more input. 404 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.759 And they shouldn't have to hit every single line. I mean, 405 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.039 because when you're sitting here wondering if you're supposed to 406 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.400 stay in this or an end, you know, it's really 407 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:35.960 you know, it's I don't know, man, it's just weird. 408 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.799 It's just weird to me. And I you know, I've 409 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.559 never had the opportunity to do long promos, I believe 410 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:43.680 me and X Puck. When I was up there, I 411 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:47.279 had one or two in ring promo segments, and you know, 412 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:50.559 I could tell you they weren't probably very good. That 413 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:54.039 being said, I could just you know, I couldn't imagine 414 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:58.119 Steve Austin capturing the attention of the entire world the 415 00:20:58.119 --> 00:20:59.519 way he did if he was out. They're reading for 416 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.559 a school and maybe that's just an isolated guy, but 417 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:04.799 I don't think so for the Rick Flairs back in 418 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.880 the you know, the Ages or the other or the 419 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.440 other greats, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean 420 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.519 that's a that's an argument for the Ages, I guess, 421 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:14.319 but that's my opinion. 422 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.319 You know, need an extra dose of positivity in your 423 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.079 wrestling podcasts. Will come join me Alan frel Over in 424 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.960 the Progress Paradise at Peterboo Torch vip as we mask 425 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:28.759 on the bright side of wrestling and focus on some 426 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:31.480 of the great matches and shows from around the world, 427 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:36.200 be it the US, Japan, Europe or Mexico. 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And yes, all VIP podcasts are compatible 438 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:13.160 with popular podcast apps on iPhone and Android devices, or 439 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.039 you can stream them directly from our ad free VIP 440 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.440 mobile site. See you in the Paradise. 441 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:24.480 Nathan A just emailed this that you guys are talking 442 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.240 about the scripting and having to go work for word 443 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.200 off the script for the talent in WWE. Does PJA 444 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:31.000 feel that guys are afraid to step on toes or 445 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:32.720 that they will get buried if they do not go 446 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.240 word for word off the script and take take a 447 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:36.680 chance on their promos. 448 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.279 Oh, I believe absolutely. I know for a fact. I 449 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:42.319 mean I have a couple of ears in there that 450 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.359 I still talk to, and I know for a fact 451 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:47.839 that it's an unpleasant working environment, big time, big time. 452 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.400 I mean guys are scared to death. I mean because realistically, 453 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:53.400 if you're if you're a pro wrestler, where else are 454 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.039 you going to go to make a living? You know, 455 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.240 it's not it's you know, it's not it's not easy 456 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.079 on the indie change. And it's not like TNA is 457 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:02.279 in very good shape or even you know, Ring of Honors, 458 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.200 ring of Honor, but they're you know, they have a 459 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.039 very small piece of the pie. You know. Yeah, guys 460 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.559 are on eggshells. Guys are trying not to make mistakes, 461 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:14.640 and you know, trying to be everything to everyone. And 462 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:16.920 you know, and I could tell you, man, the times 463 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:18.599 I was there, you know, I started to happen in 464 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.640 two thousand and six when I Will was last there, 465 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.640 But in the in the nineties it was nothing like that. 466 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:26.480 And when I was there two thousand and one with 467 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.279 the invasion angles all the way up until January two 468 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.960 thousand and three, it wasn't like that at all either. 469 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:34.599 And I think when you have that thing where you're 470 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.039 so scared that you're going to miss a spot or 471 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:38.920 god forbid, you mess something up in a promo and 472 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.279 you're going to lose your job, or not to mention 473 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.319 the locker room politics, which is off the hook, you know, 474 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.519 just ridiculous. You know, Yeah, everybody's walking on xshlls twenty 475 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:50.039 four to seven. 476 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:52.880 What are you hearing? That's different about the locker room 477 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.960 politics today versus mid two thousands in the nineteen nineties. 478 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:58.839 Well, it's just, you know, it's just you're expected to 479 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:02.839 be a perfect employee. You're expected to be on time, 480 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.880 You're expected to you know, to to train to you know, 481 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:09.680 not even I'm not saying in the gym to keep 482 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:11.480 your body, but just to be in the ring, to 483 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.839 be that consummate professional of what they feel that WWE 484 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.640 is it's not this business. I mean when it was 485 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:24.119 making the most money was fun. We had a good time. 486 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:25.880 And I'm not talking about partying. I'm not talking about 487 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.680 drugs or alcohol. That's fine. I'm glad that the business 488 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.920 has shifted from what it was, you know, to what 489 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:34.200 it is today. In that aspect, I'm not talking about that, 490 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.359 but I'm talking about just having fun, whether it's in 491 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.079 the ring or whether it's you know, in the back, 492 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.759 or whether it's you know, when you're talking. This business 493 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:46.079 was about being loose and having fun and creating. I mean, 494 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:47.839 if you see somebody, you know, even like when you 495 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.279 watch the old d X stuff, they're out there having 496 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:52.640 a good time, you know. And I'm not a huge 497 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:54.640 fan of DX believe it or not of you know, 498 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:57.160 some of the over the top skit that thought some 499 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.359 of them were actually quite vulgar, and I wouldn't want 500 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.000 my kids watch it that stuff today. But nonetheless, they're 501 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.400 out there having fun, and you know, it's just a 502 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.319 looser atmosphere. You weren't so worried about if I go 503 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.680 in this direction, am I going to get a call 504 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:14.000 from Talent Relations saying I'm done? Or am I just 505 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.880 gonna not be on the booking sheet the next time 506 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.440 something comes out? Or if I take this chance in 507 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.319 the match and sell a certain way or do a 508 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.759 certain thing, is it going to mean that I'm gonna 509 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.079 have heat with the locker room leaders of the boys, 510 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:27.960 whereas Hunter are gonna be mad at me if I 511 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.759 did this? Or that it's too much thinking about kissing 512 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.559 people off, excuse my language, then to just go out 513 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:36.000 there and be able to create, you know, and that 514 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:39.079 really causes a you know, a damper on things. I mean, 515 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:41.480 this business, we used to get in the cars and 516 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.880 just learn. So we talk from you know, sometimes four 517 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.039 or five hour car rides from you know, from the 518 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.359 beginning of the ride till the end about what we 519 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.839 did right, what we did wrong, how we think this 520 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.799 could be better, and you know, just trying to really 521 00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.559 sharpen up our characters and ourselves to be better because 522 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.799 you know, the guys I now would loved this business, 523 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.839 and you know it was just times were fun, It 524 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.880 was a good time. You were able to feel like 525 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:11.440 a part of something. And when you take that out 526 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.599 of the equation, it just becomes about showing up, being 527 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.759 a robots and doing it for the money. Quite frankly, 528 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:19.000 if you. 529 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.680 Are if you're joining, go go ahead, peach. 530 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.920 Yep, no, no, I'm done with it. You know, it's 531 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:26.839 kind of world zones. 532 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.880 Yeah, good good if you're just joining us midstream. PJ 533 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.480 Palaco no one best says, just incredible is my guest 534 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.640 here on Interview Thursday especial Thursday episode of Interview Friday, 535 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.279 PW Torch Live Cast Tomorrow, James called on the Greg 536 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.400 Parks and be by to talk about t and A Impact, 537 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.799 nxt WWE happenings and much more. So join us tomorrow 538 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.240 live here at PW torch livecast dot com. We are 539 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.160 on the air Monday through Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and 540 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.480 Friday we're on at five thirty Eastern and on Mondays, 541 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.440 we're on in the hour before Raw. Yesterday, Pat McNeil 542 00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:02.880 was joined by Disco Inferno for a one of Disco's 543 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:08.279 semi frequent appearances with Pat McNeil. And last Friday, Chris 544 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.640 to Joseph was on with me, former WWE creative team 545 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.240 member for many years in the two thousands, and he 546 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.680 was on to talk about l RAIN Network's new Lucha 547 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:21.319 Underground program, which premieres October twenty ninth. I believe they 548 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.079 moved to date now two hour premiere on the l 549 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:29.519 RAIN Network. It is a Luca based promotion, but English 550 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.319 speaking announcers and promos. Mark Burnett of Survivor Fame and 551 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:38.759 many other reality shows is backing it. And if you 552 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.960 want to learn more about this exciting new chapter, a 553 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.599 new venture, a new way to present professional wrestling, a 554 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.559 fascinating interview with Chris to Joseph, I learned a lot 555 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.759 about the new product. They just did their first set 556 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.079 of TV tapings a couple of weeks back, and they 557 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.079 are in production hot and heavy to get those shows ready. 558 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.559 And the first season of Luca Underground begins October twenty ninth, 559 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.920 and that Inner You is available in at PW torchlivecast 560 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.799 dot com. The PW Torch Live Cast is brought to 561 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.400 you by Audible, a leading provider of spoken audio PG. 562 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.440 We got an email from somebody else. Oh, you know, 563 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:16.799 let me give about the phone umbers two because I 564 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.319 didn't want to take phone calls. We asked that question 565 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.799 at the top of the show, Dean Ambrose, Roman Rains 566 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.960 or Daniel Bryan, who would you go with? In why 567 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:24.880 to win the Royal Rumble this year? To face brock 568 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:29.799 Lesner at WrestleMania WWB. Yesterday, Peach had to issue a 569 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.279 denial of rumors that brock Lesner was having some health issues. 570 00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:40.200 People compared Lesner's performance at Night of Champions on Sunday 571 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.559 to what Ultimate Warrior looked like at his Hall of 572 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.119 Fame speech and during his WrestleMania speech, which is a 573 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.480 scary comparison to make. Lesner was sweating and red faced 574 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.279 and all of that. I just saw it as typical 575 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.400 brock Lesnar to have a red face, that's kind of 576 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.720 his coloring. And I expected he would be sweating because 577 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.000 he was wrestling a match, unlike Ultimate Warrior, who wasn't 578 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.759 rushing a match. So I see some key differences, but 579 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:04.799 I did comment before any of this came out that 580 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.960 I thought Brock, to my eyes, did not look like 581 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.200 he was in the greatest of physical shape compared to 582 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.920 other appearances he's had for WWE. On this run, I 583 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.400 thought he looked a little flabbier and got winded a 584 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.319 little sooner and seemed half a step slower. And that 585 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.799 could be so many things that played into it. Maybe 586 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.079 an injury cousme to not you know, a minor injury 587 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.480 cousum to not be able to train his hard, or 588 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.079 it could have been some stress or who knows what. 589 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.799 But did you notice anything like that Peach on a 590 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.960 Night of Champions on Sunday in I I. 591 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.680 Did a little bit. I don't think there. I mean, 592 00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:37.759 you know we're not doctors, but I mean he looked 593 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.119 a little in wrestling terms, he looked a little blown up. 594 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:40.960 Yeah, you know. 595 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:43.759 And for me, I mean, you know, he doesn't wrestle 596 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.319 all the time. And you know, when you when you 597 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.559 when your guy like Brock Lesner, you know, I can 598 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.640 imagine you know, it's easy to you know, your your 599 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.319 big guy, or you've looked good all your life. It's 600 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.279 believe me, I know. I mean, I mean, I'm there 601 00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.960 right now. I mean, I'm not the best wrestling shape. 602 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.480 So it gets very easy too when you're making sporadic 603 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.240 appearances to not take it as seriously and say, Okay, 604 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.559 I'm going to get in shape for this pay per 605 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.039 view and that's fine. You can do all kinds of training, 606 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.039 which I'm sure he does. I'm not saying he didn't train, 607 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.000 but there's nothing like being in a ring full time, 608 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.519 and then of course you got a factor in, you know, 609 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.920 did he You know, when you have that kind of coloration, 610 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.960 you're sweating like that, you know. For me, I used 611 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.640 to always take fat burners sometimes for caffeine, Like I 612 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.200 hated drinking too much coffee, but I take a couple 613 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.480 of hydroxy cuts, for example, to try to give you 614 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:34.119 the caffeine. Sometimes that has that first effect where you know, 615 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.119 you could start sweating and it, you know, raises your heart. 616 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:39.640 So I mean, there could be a whole host of things, 617 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.440 but I wouldn't think, you know, I would hope certainly, 618 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:47.200 not that you know, it's it's anything like that. But no, 619 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:48.920 I mean, you know, he did look a little bit 620 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.680 more blown up, even a little more blown up. But 621 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.559 I mean that could simply just be not working all 622 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:55.519 the time. I mean, that really does it to you, 623 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.839 you know, to have somebody, to have somebody, even though 624 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:02.799 he's a tremendous, tremendous athlete in brock Lesnar, you're still 625 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.440 you know, you're doing it. You're in a worked environment, 626 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.559 and he understands that. You know, it's possible to say, hey, 627 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:10.119 maybe I'm just gonna you know. 628 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:11.839 Not train this. 629 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.160 You know, I'll be able to get by this, and 630 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.279 then hey, your body just says, oh no, you won't, 631 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.519 you know, So I wouldn't read too much into it. 632 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.920 I mean obviously there was no you know, nothing came 633 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.240 out of it, which I'm glad and I think you'll 634 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:25.799 be fine. But that's what you get when you don't 635 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.799 have a champion who's wrestling on a nightly basis, because 636 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.240 that's where you know, I do a lot of cardio, 637 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.119 I do DT yoga, but not being in the you know, 638 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.599 I wrestle sometimes only once once a week, you know, 639 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.680 sometimes you know, every every other week, you know, so 640 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.000 it's it's rare that I get more than you know, 641 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.519 two matches per week. And that's what you kind of 642 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.680 really need to put on, you know, wrestling matches whereas 643 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.880 the other guys out there wrestling and every house show 644 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.720 every night, you know is in is in ring shape, 645 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.440 and I'm sure you've heard of that ring shape and 646 00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.240 just being in shape. So it's a totally different thing. 647 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.599 And you know, I think that's the case of him 648 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:01.839 blowing up a little bit too early. 649 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.279 You don't have to wait for the way Keller Pro 650 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.279 Wrestling post show to find out what I thought of 651 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.599 Monday Night Raw and SmackDown. Each week, you can check 652 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.480 out my reports that are updated live throughout Raw and 653 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.799 SmackDown at pwtorch dot com. My written report will tell 654 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.160 you what's happening in detail in case you missed the show, 655 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.119 and it will also analyze key segments and give my 656 00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:30.039 random thoughts quips on what I'm watching as it airs. 657 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.240 So check it out every Monday night and Tuesday night 658 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.400 at pwtorch dot com. That also applies to wwepayperviews. I 659 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.799 cover those live at PW torch dot com with a 660 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.519 detailed written report with star ratings, and of course you 661 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.319 can find other TV reports from other contributors to PW 662 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.279 Torch such as nxt roh, Impact Wrestling and more. Check 663 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.599 it out Pwtorch dot com, your first stop for TV 664 00:32:52.799 --> 00:33:02.319 and pay per view written reports. 665 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:09.079 Four six is the phone number if you want to 666 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.960 chime in on this conversation. We can talk about anything 667 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.720 you want, including our discussion. I'm going to discussion Aboutrain's 668 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.720 Daniel Brian or Dean Ambrose I want. We've got an 669 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.680 email too from a listener about wild card pick that 670 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:24.039 I'll bring up in a moment. However, Uh, Dean Ambros. 671 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.480 Roman Range goes down with a hernia an injury related 672 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.599 to hernia surgery. He's out for a while. Dean Ambrose 673 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.240 is ready to come back, and does come back. The 674 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.960 timing was good in that regard. Is I talked about 675 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.200 this for VP members on the Wade Keller hotline yesterday 676 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.119 when I was answering VIP member email questions. Dean Embros 677 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.480 to me, feels less like Steve Austin and more like 678 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.039 Randy Savage Roddy Piper. That that type of of of 679 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.640 role in a promotion. In other words, even when Randy 680 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.920 Savage Peach was the top guy, I don't think anybody 681 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.000 ever exhaled like, oh, we got our guys. This is 682 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.160 we're gonna build around. Same with Roddy Piper. He was 683 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:04.799 never meant to be that top guy. He was that unhinged, 684 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.039 crazy guy who was too uncontrollable to really be relied 685 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.960 upon to be the face of the company. He's not 686 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.079 to me, Dean Ambrose fits the role of that guy 687 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.239 who just can't be that lead guy and shouldn't be 688 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.079 that lead guy. Not that he's a sidekick, but he's 689 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.320 he's somebody who's most valuable, like a Roddy Piper was, 690 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:24.719 and maybe less of a perfect analogy, but I'm still 691 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.039 using it Randy Savage, where in a pinch you can 692 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.000 go with him for a short time, but he's most 693 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.960 valuable when he's not the starter and the headliner in 694 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.239 the face of the company. Your your thoughts on that 695 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:37.239 take on Dean Ambrose. 696 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.880 I agree one hundred percent. You know, I think he's 697 00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:45.199 immensely talented. I really like what he's doing. I'm a 698 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.239 fan of his work. I have been even before he 699 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.000 was with the WWE. You know, but you know, you're 700 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.800 absolutely right. I don't think, you know, just from a 701 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:57.320 physical standpoint, he's a little bit, you know, smaller than 702 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.400 what you would think of as a WW guy. The 703 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.119 looks all coming to play. I mean, you know, to me, 704 00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.519 a guy, you know, I just he just looks like something, 705 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.280 you know. He he like I said, his perfect analogy 706 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.679 was the Rainy Savage when he had his title. And 707 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.960 it's not like he's underneath the title. But he's certainly 708 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:19.440 not He's not the guy that you could count on 709 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:21.719 to build. He's not the next John seen that sort 710 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.719 of thing. And I totally agree with you, and you know, 711 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.000 I certainly and that's not a bad spot to be 712 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.639 and because sometimes there's more longevity in that spot than 713 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.400 there is in the top spot. So yeah, you know, so, 714 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:36.559 uh no, I totally agree with you. 715 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.119 Would you when Roman Range comes back, teach, would you 716 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.840 change his gear to reveal more skin, to put it flat? 717 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.000 I mean, Roman Range just all covered up. You can 718 00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.000 see the biceps in a little bit. But would you 719 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:51.920 just put him in wrestling trunks and and and and 720 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.519 have him go out there and look less like he 721 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.480 did in the Shield and more like most top guys 722 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.039 have looked, which is wearing some sort of wrestling outfit 723 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:02.239 but not covering their chest. 724 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.320 Yeah, I think they should make that move. Slowly. I 725 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.599 don't know how you go about it, you know, because 726 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.119 there's a lot of big you know, these are the 727 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.079 fans really loved the shield. But I think you know, 728 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.840 when you got somebody that that's in that greatest shape, 729 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.559 you'll want to show it. You know, at least I 730 00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:23.039 would think in classic form you would. And yeah, I absolutely, 731 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:24.800 I mean, you know, from the from the pants all 732 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.360 the way down to that thing he wears over his chest. 733 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:29.079 I mean it doesn't have to say it has to 734 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.519 go into like you know, the little skivvies, you know, 735 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.679 a little skimpy shorts, but some kind of wrestling tight 736 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.440 and I don't know how you get there. You know, 737 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.440 maybe when he comes back, just come back with a 738 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.440 whole new look, you know, something cool and something that 739 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:44.880 fits his style. But yeah, absolutely, just something It's something 740 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.119 more along of an MMA fighter, you know, something just 741 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.440 intense and you know that says I'm going to kick 742 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:52.920 your ass and I mean business now, you. 743 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.079 Know, Yeah, yeah, and I'm not I mean, if there's 744 00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.599 some reason they don't want to do it, fine, I 745 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:04.320 would think could be harder to perform that covered up too, 746 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:06.360 you know, like just in terms of just airing your 747 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.840 body out, it just seems like it would be kind 748 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.280 of a burden to be wearing what looked like layers 749 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.559 of clothing, you know, from neck to ankle. 750 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.239 Sure, it just really does. It looks very uncomfortable. And 751 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.679 I know for a fact, you know, even with the 752 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.920 pants and stuff, it it's very uncomfortable. I mean, myself 753 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.519 wearing jean shorts. I loved when I went back to 754 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.760 you know, for an early point on WW wearing wrestling 755 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.679 tights and boots actually was very refreshing and you could 756 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.559 just move better and it allows more flexibility. But you know, 757 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.800 I just and and I think it's you know, at 758 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.519 least for me, because I would like to see it 759 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:42.559 seem more sports orientated these days, at least as a 760 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.760 fan of the major company in you know, in the world. 761 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.119 Quite frankly, I'd like to see it mirror a sport. 762 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:49.480 You know. 763 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.559 It's funny. I was listening to Colin Colvert on the 764 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.800 you know, ESPN this morning, and he was he was 765 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:01.639 comparing you know, pro wrestling to NASCAR are and you know, 766 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.039 just just but how you know, how he felt, you know, 767 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.719 and he's kind of dising boded, but how you know, 768 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.800 along the lines of it, they were smart. They would 769 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.280 make it more of a you know, go back to 770 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.800 making it more of a sports field because it's still 771 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.639 you know, so extremely popular, so especially with the USC 772 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.920 and comparison, So I would, you know, as a stand 773 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.920 I would just like to see that in a more 774 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:26.239 sports oriented and base instead of the way it is 775 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:27.920 being presented so much today. 776 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.480 Just talking on Twitter, standing back and forth with somebody 777 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:32.960 on Twitter. You can follow me by the way at 778 00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:38.480 the Wade Keller and justin plug your Twitter. Well, go 779 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:39.920 ahead and plug your Twitter at your sort talking. 780 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:42.639 Oh I'm so yes, I'm I'm on Twitter at PJ 781 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.440 Pollocko p O l A c O. 782 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.400 That's p J. P O l A c O. And 783 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.480 again mine is at the Wade Keller. Somebody had commented 784 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.920 about Impact last night and whether wrestlers should acknowledge the 785 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.840 cameras or not when they're on them, and my answer 786 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.519 is yes, they should ignowl them always. I even asked 787 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.719 christ to Joseph last Friday about the narrative rules, the 788 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.360 internal logic to how they're filming their promotion. I think 789 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:11.880 there should be a set of rules for every show, 790 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.920 and it doesn't mean only one way works, but you 791 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.360 have to pick away and stick with it and defend 792 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.079 it and make sure that it makes sense. And what 793 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.000 I mean by that is, if it's a sports like presentation, 794 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.159 you could never imagine turning it tuning into a NASCAR 795 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:31.239 television show presented as real competition and have drivers and 796 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.679 trainers just chatting about like top secret things about strategy 797 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.079 and ignoring that a camera and microphone we're filming them. 798 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:40.800 It's just absurd on the face of it. It would totally 799 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.679 take you out of it. That said, if I go 800 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:44.960 to a movie theater, I pay a ticket, I sit 801 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.599 down on a share, the film starts running, and it's 802 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.000 something I know with film months ago, and it's seen 803 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.039 the same movie scene over and over again, all over theaters, 804 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.800 all over the place at different times. I'm expecting that 805 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.360 to be more of a movie production where you kind 806 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.000 of stuck me into that world. You draw me into 807 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.440 that world, and I buy into it. But of course 808 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.119 the characters aren't acknowledging the cameras because that's the narrative 809 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:06.079 rules of movies and you got to pick one and 810 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.480 go with it and have a reason for it. With wrestling, 811 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.039 I think you want to have that sports like feel, 812 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.639 which is if a camera's there, the athletes know that 813 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.880 the camera is there because you're an athlete, but cameras 814 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.119 have been given access to what's going on behind the scenes, 815 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.039 and they're roaming around filming you. I like TNA's roving 816 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.760 cameraman that sometimes ask questions off camera. Jason Hervey did 817 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.360 that for a while. I like that approach because it 818 00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.000 seems more happenstance. What I do not like is WWE 819 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:34.119 And just when I think of this, I just think 820 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:35.679 a Hunter and steph because it's always a way that 821 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.000 they do it. They're always on the phone and then 822 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:41.679 they are either interrupted or wrap up a phone call 823 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.360 at just the right time for the cameras to be 824 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.159 filming them when someone else walked in the room to 825 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:49.400 talk to them about something really important for striving storylines 826 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.719 on the show. And it's just too convenient. What if 827 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:54.519 Kane didn't walk in the room and interrupt Hunter, or 828 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.000 what if John Cena didn't walk in and interrupt Stephanie 829 00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:58.599 on the phone? Would they have just shown us ten 830 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.400 seconds of Stephanie talking on the phone and then they 831 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:03.119 would have cut to a break, Like it's just stupid, 832 00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.960 It's just stupid or too old. What are they thinking? 833 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.000 Just have a camera roaming backstage and it catches up 834 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.239 the Triple Agent and there's somebody asking them a question 835 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.679 off camera. Make there be a good reason for that, 836 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.440 and so I agree with that. I just think WWE 837 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.199 is kind of suffering right now from a lack of 838 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.159 taking a step back. Then we can talk about this 839 00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:25.599 as a larger issue with Raw. It's just taking a 840 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.679 step back and having a meeting and deciding what is 841 00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:32.239 our narrative structure right now? Why do we make the 842 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.960 choices we make? Like, to me, Miss Anddelfzigler had an 843 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.159 icy title rematch on Monday at the top at the 844 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.679 first match on Raw, second segment, and there were no 845 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.239 promos to set it up, almost no backstory to it. 846 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.800 And to me, if you're gonna have an icy title 847 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.679 match and you want people to care about championships, peg, 848 00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.119 don't you have to have the wrestlers do what they're 849 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.719 good at and Miss and Dolph are both good at 850 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.840 it and maybe very good draw us into what's set 851 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:57.760 stake in the match and what their feelings are going 852 00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:58.119 into it. 853 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.519 I mean, it would be a logical thing. I mean, 854 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:06.599 you know, just it's amazing what one short set even 855 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.559 a half a segment of of you know, backstage interviews, 856 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:13.599 even if it's pre taped to set up. Hey, look, 857 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.360 you know this is we've been I've been given this opportunity. 858 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:17.840 I've you know, I lost the title at the pay 859 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.679 per view. I want to gain it back, you know, 860 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.039 and get a retort somewhere down the line, and you 861 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:23.400 play it at the you know, at the top of 862 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.360 the hour or something. Because sometimes it's the little things 863 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:30.000 that make all the difference in the world in my opinions. 864 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.519 And you know, unfortunately, I know Vince gets a lot 865 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.159 of criticism for this is that you know, there's now 866 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.519 when you're filling three hours of show. I mean, I 867 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:40.679 hate to say this, you know, but I'm going to 868 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.159 be bold about it. I mean, it's painful to watch 869 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.320 three hours. 870 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:45.880 It's for me. 871 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.519 I love that. I love pro wrestling, That's the thing. 872 00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.599 I love pro wrestling, but it rarely excites me today. 873 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.920 And believe me, when it's right, I still get very 874 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:59.400 excited and I love to to tune in. It's just unfortunately, 875 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.599 you know, sometimes you just feel like it's you're getting 876 00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.280 given a lot of filler and you could really, you know, 877 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.639 with all of this time, you could really set up 878 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.519 an undercard or a mid card and do it properly. 879 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:12.960 That was one of the beauty the beauty things of 880 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.440 the Attitude era, and even with Nitro and stuff, you know, 881 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.320 when it was really both were really hot that period 882 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.239 of time. There is that you know, everybody sort of 883 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:26.679 mattered on the show. You know, everybody kind of mattered. 884 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.360 And now it's like when you see certain guys, you know, 885 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.239 I don't want to I'm not throwing any names out 886 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.199 there to be rude, but when you see certain guys, 887 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.519 you just know what it's going to be, and you 888 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.239 know it's you know, back in the day, when you 889 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.840 saw a job guy, you knew what was going to happen. 890 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.119 You knew the guy was gonna go out there and 891 00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.039 get squashed. You know, when you saw PJ. Walker and 892 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.880 the very early days of Raw against Razor Ramone, you 893 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.920 knew what was going to happen. But quite frankly, haven't 894 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:56.679 these guys who supposedly have entrances and in the tron video, 895 00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.800 really they're just jobbers anyways, I know at the same extent, 896 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.280 So really, if the WWE wants to regain the spark, 897 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.920 I think they're going to really need to focus on 898 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.000 the mid card. Yeah, they're quite Frankly, I think they're 899 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.639 really going to need to to turn this whole thing 900 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.039 around it and just to start because Hunter's done a 901 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.840 great job with with NXT. NXT to me is my 902 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.039 favorite program, my favorite wrestling program. I watch it every 903 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.440 every Thursday. It's perfect as far as it's one hour. 904 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:25.320 You get a couple of good matches to kind of 905 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.639 see what's good. It's it's easy wrestling viewing raw. It's 906 00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.760 like all over the map and it's so it's a marathon, 907 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.119 and believe me, with Monday night football, it's hard to 908 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.760 get my attention. So I think these are things they 909 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.840 really need to to to, you know, ask the questions 910 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.280 of how are we going to present this? And uh, 911 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.400 you know just and two just how you know you 912 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.280 handle that third wall there that dimension of the camera 913 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.840 and you know that's those are unanswered questions. Those are 914 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.760 little things that could be fixed that would change a 915 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.000 lot a lot of the logic that goes on. 916 00:44:56.199 --> 00:45:03.840 So I'm Chris Maitland and I'm Justin McClelland we host. 917 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.239 Wrestling Coast to Coast where we scour the wrestling scene 918 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.400 to find the best wrestling from the smallest places. 919 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.519 There are thousands of matches happening every week, so Wrestling 920 00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.719 coast to coast is here to discover the men and 921 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.199 women who could be big time stars in a few years. 922 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.360 There are plenty of podcasts to voters at WW and AW, 923 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.519 but what's happening in the armories and gymnasiums local wrestling 924 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:23.800 hotspots around the country. 925 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.039 We can't wait to help you find the true hidden 926 00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.320 gems of the wrestling world. Plus, you can hear Chris 927 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.440 complain about bad referees. 928 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.119 And justin bemoaning dogpole fins. 929 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.679 Don't forget my feudal search to see a blue Thunderbomb 930 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:35.280 win a match. 931 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.079 How can I like? The name says we cover the 932 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.679 hottest independent promotions from around the country, so such as 933 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.880 Prestige Action, West Coast, Pro, Revolver, and Beyond Wrestling. 934 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.079 Actually, Chris, I think we sick pretty much too wrestling. 935 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.199 No, I mean Beyond Wrestling out of Wooster, Oh right. 936 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.840 Our show's part of the PW Torch Daily Cast lineup 937 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.880 and typically drops on Thursdays. Search PW Torch in your 938 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.840 podcast app, as subscribed to the pw Torch Daily Cast 939 00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.800 or stream shows directly from PW touch dot com. Find 940 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.960 full details on the PW Torch Dailycast lineup at pwtorchdailycast 941 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:14.679 dot com. 942 00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.480 And it seems like they don't do that, then they 943 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.559 haven't stepped back and done it. And Monday show just 944 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.840 felt like almost a burden for them to produce, you 945 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:23.679 know you, and if it's a burden for them to 946 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.000 fill three hours, it's a burden for us to watch 947 00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:27.000 three hours watch. 948 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:27.239 Ye. 949 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.199 The thing is this three hours is too long, not 950 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.800 because you can't produce a really good three hour show 951 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.119 once in a while, and really not because you couldn't 952 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.760 produce a great three hour show every week. I actually 953 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:39.360 think there's a way to do a great three hour 954 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.320 show every week. But I would argue even if you 955 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.199 did a great three hour show every week and really 956 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.679 made every segment count and had more guys over and 957 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.199 had people just salivating at what's the next segment? And boy, 958 00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.519 that last segment was good, but I can't wait to 959 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:52.840 see the next one and the next one. And they've 960 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.400 really set it up and they've built my anticipation. They've 961 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.960 they've they've made me want to see every single segment. 962 00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.519 Even if they did all that I'd still vote for 963 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.719 two hours because I think two hours in the long 964 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:03.599 run is better for the booking team. It's better to 965 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.360 not overexpose your top talent. It's better to not throw 966 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.000 an icy title match out there the day after a 967 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:09.800 pay per view, cheapening the pay per view and the 968 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:11.920 icy title at the same time, just because you don't 969 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.679 know what else to do, because you don't have enough 970 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.000 guys over and so you just throw that rematch out there. 971 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.480 Same thing with russav Mark Henry So I would still 972 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.840 be for to our show. Even if the three hour 973 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.800 show is going well. Despite the advertising revenue, I think 974 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.000 there's long term damage. I think it hurts the network. 975 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.519 I think it hurts pay per views. I think it 976 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.960 hurts SmackDown, and I think it hurts howse show ticket sales. 977 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.480 You want people left wanting more, and three hours just 978 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.199 doesn't do that. And people say, well, baseball games are 979 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.199 three hours, or football games are three hours, but you're 980 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:43.000 not watching the Colts against the Texans every single Monday 981 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.960 for three hours. You're seeing Roman Reigns and John Cena 982 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.199 and Dean Ambrose every single week for three hours. It's 983 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.280 the same team. So if the same two teams played 984 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.199 every three or every week for three hours, that would 985 00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.960 get old. And that's where that analogy just doesn't hold up. 986 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:02.920 And if you watch your team for three hours every 987 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.400 week in the NFL, it's your team against a different 988 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.400 team every week, and that creates novelty. But WWB doesn't 989 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:11.519 do that. So I'm with you as often as a case, 990 00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:13.920 almost always justin You and I are on the same 991 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:18.199 page on this stuff, and it is frustrating, but I 992 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.840 know they can do better. I know that there is 993 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.199 stale on this there. I know, as you talked about that, 994 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:27.559 there's some frustration there and it do do you remember 995 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.719 September traditionally being the worst month in wrestling annually? 996 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:33.360 Was that? 997 00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:35.440 And I was just putting up a ten years ago 998 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:39.119 Pat McNeil show because throughout the week we run our 999 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:41.679 audio shows that we originally published ten years ago because 1000 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:43.280 we have a lot of new members and those audio 1001 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.760 shows haven't been available for since they originally aired because 1002 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.320 we ended up being going poof on a server move 1003 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.079 one time. So I recovered them and I'm putting them 1004 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:53.159 up and it's really fun to go back in time 1005 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:54.840 and listen to you know, this last week we've been 1006 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.079 talking about Randy Orton becoming the youngest champion of all 1007 00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.519 time and all the backstage politics of the decision to 1008 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:01.480 do that. And one thing Pat McNeil said in an 1009 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.480 audio update that we just put up is why he 1010 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:06.599 was writing about on the newsletter too, why September is 1011 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.000 the worst month to be a wrestling fan. Do you 1012 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.400 remember that being the case? Because it's people are just 1013 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.719 feeling post Summer Slam doldrums right now, and I'm wondering 1014 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.119 if that's more seasonal or if it's just kind of 1015 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.320 just a random bad time for phisic Man and company. 1016 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:21.199 I don't know. 1017 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:22.639 I think it has to do with a little bit 1018 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.840 of everything. I mean, for I think it's a little 1019 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:29.599 bit of overload, and you know, at post SummerSlam there 1020 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.920 was you know again, I just think it's over The 1021 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:36.719 business is so overexposed, and it's not like they have 1022 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.440 an extremely hot product. So I think, yeah, we all 1023 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.920 feel that way. Plus, you know, just from a human 1024 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.840 being standpoint, you know, when you always have that thing 1025 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.880 in September where you're a little bummed out, summer's over 1026 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:54.000 back to you know, and that effects everybody's in some way. 1027 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:58.280 Plus football, the excitement of football returning, at least to 1028 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.039 me as a sports fan, it's always and as the 1029 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.519 case as many Americans, so wrestling gets to be a 1030 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.320 little bit forgotten, you know, even if you're a wrestling fan. 1031 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.239 So I think it all has something to do with it. 1032 00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.199 So yeah, I always kind of did remember it. I mean, 1033 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.159 it's not bad for me, as you know it with 1034 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.480 indie bookings it seems to be the opposite. But from 1035 00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:21.599 a major league standpoint, I totally catch it. Yeah, absolutely, 1036 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.920 and then it really doesn't recover until around the Survivors 1037 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:26.119 series quite frankly. 1038 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.039 Yeah, And as Michael Cole told us less than six 1039 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.239 months after WrestleMania thirty and more than six months until 1040 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.960 WrestleMania thirty one, WrestleMania season season is almost here. He 1041 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:38.559 told us that it last week. 1042 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:41.960 I was like, God, it almost seems like that's the 1043 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:43.159 only thing they have, you. 1044 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.480 Know, you know, they have almost a seasonal sport. They 1045 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.519 make most of their money from January to April. 1046 00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.760 Yeah, yeah, that was always the best for God, I 1047 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.719 used to I mean, the difference in paydays from the 1048 00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.079 summertime till you know, the January period where after Royal 1049 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.440 Rumble was red like it was almost double pay, you know, 1050 00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:04.719 when you were on the house, you know, just doing 1051 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.559 the loop and the checks, you know, the difference in 1052 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:11.039 checks were ridiculous. The summers were always tough, and this 1053 00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:14.119 this period we're especially tough. Started to pick up after 1054 00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.760 Survivor's series. So I think it's I think it's just 1055 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:19.599 always been that way for whatever reason, I'm not sure. 1056 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.800 But anyways, good promoters, though, don't make excuses. They make 1057 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.280 things happen. You know, and and and you know you 1058 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.440 can get and there's no doubt there's an ebb and flow. 1059 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.199 And I'm not somebody who just thinks if business is down, 1060 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.480 it's it's the fault of people in charge that business 1061 00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.360 is down. There's definitely seasonal trends, but you can use 1062 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:38.559 that as an excuse. You know. It's like people in 1063 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.360 the people are on holidays just resign themselves to gaining 1064 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.960 fifteen twenty pounds, but it's not inevitable. You actually can 1065 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:49.079 stop after one cookie. You can decide the stress isn't 1066 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.239 going to cause you to break your your no pop 1067 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.880 habit and start drinking sixty four ounces of coke every day. 1068 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.679 It's like, there's other ways to deal with things. And 1069 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.920 ww ME needs to find new ways to deal with 1070 00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.679 the post Summer Slam transition right now. In granted they've 1071 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:03.880 had some some kurkfall thrown at them. They injury to 1072 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.760 Daniel Bryn right after Mania, and the injury to Roman Reigns. 1073 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.360 Now that just the kind of the mad timing, Rob 1074 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:11.480 Van Dam and Jericho being you know, kind of legacy 1075 00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.599 special attractions who have gone away. All at the same time, 1076 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.639 it's it's tough and now you're world champion. And I 1077 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.880 don't disagree with them making him world champion, but this 1078 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.000 all happens when brock Lesner, a very part time guy, 1079 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.480 is your centerpiece world champion. And I thought it was 1080 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:28.679 strange Peach on Monday that they didn't talk much about 1081 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:29.360 brock Lesner. 1082 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.039 They didn't know about the title, No, they didn't. They 1083 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.599 didn't talk about the title, which is which is you 1084 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.719 know it's not Yeah, I know, it's crazy, which is 1085 00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.800 you know the reason that is that is their focal 1086 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.400 point and should be the focal point is the title 1087 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.639 in some respect, And I don't know if they mentioned 1088 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.039 it more than a handful of times if ever. So, Yeah, look, 1089 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:56.079 I think the WWE, unfortunately, I think the I listened 1090 00:52:56.119 --> 00:53:00.239 to a podcast, The Ross Report with Bill Watts, and 1091 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.199 it was very educational for me. And you know, just 1092 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:04.400 when you think you know it all or you know 1093 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.800 it all, you hear some stuff and well, you know, 1094 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.639 the business in some ways has in very dire straits. 1095 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.159 And I mean, I know, I'm not, you know, trying 1096 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.480 to be all doom and gloom, but if the WWE 1097 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.360 doesn't kind of start to figure out what's going on 1098 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.880 and how to present their thing and how to to 1099 00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:27.760 hopefully get a good should I say, you know, a 1100 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.199 good a good road, you know, get on a good 1101 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.000 role where things are starting to feel things were feeling 1102 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.039 good with Daniel Bryan and injuries happened. They happened in sports, 1103 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.360 that happen everywhere. You can't and that's the thing, you know, Unfortunately, 1104 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.119 they just don't have a whole a whole hell of 1105 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:44.159 a lot of veterans to kind of That's why I 1106 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.719 always thought, you know, because back in in in you know, 1107 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.480 the eighties or even in the early nineties to mid nineties, 1108 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.719 there was always a core group of veterans that could 1109 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.920 come in and save that saved the day, whether it 1110 00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:58.719 was from a rival promotion, were right in house. And 1111 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.400 I think now that you know, the business has eliminated 1112 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.840 you know, not territories, but the other company or you know, 1113 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:08.480 other major stars that have been built elsewhere. Really Steing 1114 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:11.199 is the only other guy that we're clamoring for to 1115 00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:14.079 be in a WWE ring. But other than that, it's 1116 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.039 there's not going to be anybody to come here and 1117 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.519 save the day from another you know, company or whatever. 1118 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:22.320 So WW has to really start thinking of long term, 1119 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.000 like how is this going to you know, are we 1120 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:26.599 going to be able to Is this what WW is 1121 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:29.480 going to be like for the next ten, fifteen, twenty years. 1122 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.840 And it's not very exciting if it is. You know, 1123 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.400 are we relying on you know, we thought the whyans 1124 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:35.920 we're going to be a big thing, and they've kind 1125 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.199 of fizzled out. I don't know by who are what's faught? 1126 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.440 So it's like, you know, it's just a lot of uncertainty. 1127 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.519 And in the fans, I think, you know, I think 1128 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.199 fans are frustrated. I think they're frustrated quite frankly, and 1129 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.679 I think, you know, a lot of things are going 1130 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.599 to have to be retooled and restructured or else. Wrestling 1131 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.639 is in a very you know bleak out, you know 1132 00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.559 as a bleak outlook as far as the what it 1133 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.480 is or how we know it today, you know. 1134 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:08.480 Anytime you're watching WWE Raw or SmackDown or AEW Dynamite 1135 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:10.920 in particular, send us an email if you've got thoughts 1136 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.519 on the show or a topic you want us to 1137 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:17.239 address or a question for us. Wadekeller Podcast at pwtorch 1138 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.599 dot com. Wadkeller Podcast at pewtorch dot com. If there's 1139 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.320 anything else going on in pro wrestling that you want 1140 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.519 us to address on our main podcast during our mailbank segments, 1141 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:30.719 that same email applies Wade Keller Podcast at pwtorch dot com. 1142 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.360 We invite that interaction. Let us know what you think 1143 00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:35.679 of what we're saying, and let us know what you 1144 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.360 want us to talk about and ask us specific questions. 1145 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:43.519 Wadekeller Podcast at pw torch dot com. 1146 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.360 Let's go to our first phone call here, and it's 1147 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.199 a perfectly comment to that, but seven one eight, I've 1148 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.440 been on hold a while here, seven one eight. Please 1149 00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:56.679 stake your name in the city you're calling from. Seven 1150 00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:03.960 one eight. You are on hello, seven one eight. You 1151 00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.960 can't have fallen asleep. All right, all right, maybe it 1152 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.400 is going once in seven one eight. I'm gonna read 1153 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:13.239 your phone number on there if you don't talk six nine, No, 1154 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.920 I'm kidding up. All right, Well get the call back 1155 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:17.679 if you can. All right, let's die. Let's go now 1156 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:20.119 to seven seven three. Please state your name and where 1157 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:25.639 you're calling from. Boris, Boris? What have you got for? 1158 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.039 P J Walker, PJ Pilaco, although Montoya or just incredible? 1159 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:30.920 We have four guests today. 1160 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.039 Yes, I heard. 1161 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:38.039 Lost podcast too and it was excellent and I just 1162 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.599 got a really good thoughts. 1163 00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.199 But it's problem sports. 1164 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.519 We can't hear you back connection. Help us out here, 1165 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:55.000 speak up? You got kent a right, excuse me, we 1166 00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.159 can barely hear you. But go ahead and make it quick. 1167 00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.400 If they were to be an athlete, I mean as 1168 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.239 a as a wouldn't that better than to change his 1169 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:13.199 name and conformance to W, then you build these new veterans. 1170 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:16.679 Chris is not from the you know W, you know 1171 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:18.360 from the promotion. Wouldn't that be better? 1172 00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.079 Okay, thanks for a time. I'd let you talk longer. 1173 00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.239 I want you to get right to it because your connection 1174 00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:27.360 was really bad today on characteristically bad. Uh get a 1175 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:28.760 line on the phone. Bakes by the way six four 1176 00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:33.480 six seven nine eight two eight PG. I think the 1177 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:35.400 whole thing about Kent's name change is blown away out 1178 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.239 of proportion. I don't I want him to have a 1179 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.239 good name. On principle, I'm against guys capitalizing every letter 1180 00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:42.719 in their name. I just think that's stupid. I didn't 1181 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.760 like impact with a small I and capital mpact explanation point. 1182 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:48.440 I just I think you can have a logo, but 1183 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:50.360 just use regular English when you do stuff. But that's 1184 00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:51.760 just a pet people mind, it's not a big deal. 1185 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.800 But to me, if Kent is going to be successful, 1186 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.880 he's going to be successful. His success is going to 1187 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.960 have nothing to do with the thousands or tens of 1188 00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.000 thousands of people in the United States who know him 1189 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.519 by Kenta, and so to me, it's just it's a 1190 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.400 non issue. I don't see it as disrespectful. I understand 1191 00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:14.440 WWE deciding to have a fresh start with it in 1192 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:18.199 the United States. The flip side is WWE wants to 1193 00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:20.639 make inroads in Japan, and I think what the concern 1194 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:22.159 is not so much about getting over in the US, 1195 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.119 because that just doesn't matter. Almost nobody knows who he 1196 00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.239 is in the US relatively speaking, But in Japan, will 1197 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.880 they see a new name as disrespecting the history and 1198 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.000 heritage that he's built up in Japan and what the 1199 00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.280 Kenta name means and why he chose it. It's more 1200 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.519 of a risk in Japan, but come on, it's not 1201 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.000 He's gonna get over and not as long as he 1202 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.239 doesn't have an awful name, even if they change it 1203 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:44.679 from Kenta. 1204 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:48.480 Yeah, I mean, I agree, it's almost like that, you know, 1205 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.239 Brian Daniels and Daniel Brian. You know, a lot of 1206 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.280 people were up in arms about that, you know, and look, 1207 00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:57.559 it's just the way they do business, and it's a way, 1208 00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.679 quite frankly, for them to own the name, on the trademark, 1209 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:03.159 the copyright, whatever it is. So I don't think it's 1210 00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.079 a big deal. And you know, and I get it 1211 00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.599 in Japan, but you know what, as long as he 1212 00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:11.559 gets over on WWE TV, it'll translate on you know, 1213 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.039 when it's when they broadcast it over there, and uh, 1214 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.960 et cetera. So I don't see it being a huge deal, 1215 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.639 although I do, you know, in a perfect world, I 1216 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:21.880 don't see this, you know. The reason to you know, 1217 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.239 I don't know. I was always a traditionalist. I liked 1218 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.960 when when people came in with their names and they 1219 00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:29.239 brought their names over. You wouldn't change Ric Flair's name. 1220 00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.760 And I'm not saying Kenjas Ricclair, of course, but you know, 1221 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.760 I just I always liked you know that. You know 1222 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:37.440 it's a UFC doesn't make people change their names. So 1223 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.400 you know, again where we model, you know, we always 1224 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.320 talk about USC unfortunately, but uh, they seem to have 1225 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.280 gotten it right on a lot of way, in a 1226 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:48.360 lot of ways, and there their business just like the WWE, 1227 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.119 and uh, you know, I don't know, but it's not 1228 00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:51.639 a big deal. 1229 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.480 H What do you think of uh? Head day out? 1230 00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.320 I taught Tommy's I'm Gonna struggle a little b until 1231 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.519 like it rolls off my tongue. I would you think 1232 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:02.079 A Kent his debut on NXT last week? 1233 01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:06.000 I thought it was okay, and that's you know, I 1234 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.360 think it was a little, uh you know, a little 1235 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.039 less impressive than I think he would have liked, or 1236 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.960 they would have liked, just from seeing his matches. But 1237 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.079 then again, he's out there just in a very quick 1238 01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:21.960 time to show what four minutes? Yeah, you know, he's trying. 1239 01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.360 I mean, that's a w w WE get overmatch, and 1240 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.320 you know, I'm not quite sure he's used to that. 1241 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.199 You know too, you know because sometimes like I never 1242 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:31.679 you know, if you put me out there for three 1243 01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.760 or four minutes, I you know, you would probably think 1244 01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.719 I was the shits. But you know, guys like like myself, 1245 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.519 I went out there for twenty minutes and that's where 1246 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:42.320 my strengths were. And uh, you know, I wasn't a 1247 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.639 flashy guy. So and I know he hasked like you know, 1248 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:46.800 he has great move of move sets, but I think 1249 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.039 it's just you know, what I'm saying is I think 1250 01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.920 he's more used to going out there and being judged 1251 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.559 on performance rather than a couple of moves and maybe 1252 01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:58.760 you know, a signature little you know whatever he does 1253 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.760 like a little you know, that that moment where you're 1254 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:03.000 on TV. So I think he'll figure he's a very 1255 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.920 smart guy. He will figure it out. I think he'll 1256 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:09.079 be more than okay, you know, but I wasn't super impressed. 1257 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:11.760 But that's not I wouldn't judge him by that, absolutely not. 1258 01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:14.599 It's tough because you've talked about it in others have 1259 01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.360 the WWE style and it's a little bit difficult to explain, 1260 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.199 but you know, and I explained it quite differently every 1261 01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.480 time because there are some variations in it, But what 1262 01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:27.280 it means is you're not it's different than any style. 1263 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.880 Indie style is you're there to reward fans who are 1264 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.239 sitting up close wanted to see something that stands out 1265 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.360 athletically from what they watch on national TV. And indie 1266 01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.079 guys are not always but typically the standout indie guys 1267 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.119 are smaller, more athletic, and it's all about just whoa, 1268 01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.159 I got to see this cool dive in this high spot, 1269 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:49.000 non stop rapid fire. That's that's typically indie style, and 1270 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.800 there's absolutely variations to it. But in WWE, they're smart 1271 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.960 enough to know that is not sustainable, and they also 1272 01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:59.559 know the formula of WWE is you make the most 1273 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:03.199 money in that last You know that second half of 1274 01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:05.639 your career. You know that that's when you've established who 1275 01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:07.760 you are and the fans have a bond with you, 1276 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:09.320 and you're not gonna be able to keep up with 1277 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:11.800 guys who are a lot more athletic than you and 1278 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.960 younger and kind of burning out, using up all the 1279 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:20.119 bump cards, all their bump card points. So what they 1280 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.599 want is they don't want undercard guys to come out 1281 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.280 there and do all their moves on the undercard. And then, 1282 01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:27.320 and this goes back to Hulk Hogan. You know, there 1283 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.760 was pressure in the eighties on guys who were really 1284 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:34.480 good workers in the territories, their spirits were kind of broken, 1285 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.719 and then eventually they're like, well, maybe my spirit isn't broken. 1286 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:38.239 Maybe that's just an easier way to make a living. 1287 01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.239 But guys who were great on the indie scene toned 1288 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.920 down their style because Hogan didn't want to be showing up. 1289 01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.960 He didn't want the crowd burned out. So I understand 1290 01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:49.920 the rationale for that. I'm curious Page what you think 1291 01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:54.800 of finding that balance between breaking the breaking the spirit 1292 01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:58.599 a little bit of Kanta or restricting him like Gray Mysterio, Okay, 1293 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:00.800 pick your four of your favorite forty moves and only 1294 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.199 do those. You know, like, where do you stand on that? 1295 01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.800 And it's kent of an exception where he should be 1296 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:08.960 allowed to go at a different speed because that is 1297 01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:10.119 what's going to get him over. 1298 01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.639 I think, you know, I think he's going to be 1299 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.360 He's going to have to be able to do what 1300 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.480 he does to a degree. I mean, you know, that's 1301 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.400 who he is. That's what made a movie is that's 1302 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.440 what I brought him in. Absolutely, of course he's going 1303 01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:27.159 to have to adjust it and kind of figure it out. 1304 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.880 But you know, at the same extent, I think a 1305 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.159 lot of that also. You know, I'm not going to 1306 01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:34.039 say it. I I don't want to say it, but 1307 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.239 it's true. A lot of it is jealousy. You know, 1308 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.960 I wos to say that he can you know, he can't, 1309 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.199 you know, continue a certain style. You know, I think guys, 1310 01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.800 you know, sometimes guys do get lazy up top, and 1311 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.199 you know everybody's always shunning you know, change up there. 1312 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:53.000 You know, it's very hard. It was very hard for 1313 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:54.719 a guy like me. I mean, you know, I didn't 1314 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.119 have a very impressive run into ever in w w E, 1315 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.840 you know, quite frankly, and you know it's like you 1316 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:01.320 get in there, it's like, oh, by the way, you 1317 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.360 can't do your tombstone piles driver. Somebody's always already doing that, 1318 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.000 can't you, superkick? You can't do all this, you can't 1319 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.039 use it. You know, the things that basically made you popular. 1320 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.000 I couldn't do, you know. And it's not like I 1321 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:14.639 was able to go out there for thirty minutes and 1322 01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.920 put on a match with you know, guys that could go. So, 1323 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:20.079 you know, you got to be very careful. If you 1324 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:22.000 want him to succeed, you're going to have to let 1325 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:24.440 him be him. Of course, he's going to have to 1326 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.599 also tone it down a bit and get it down 1327 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.920 to that four realize how how could I do that 1328 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.679 in four or five minutes in a TV match? You know, 1329 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:34.840 And that's on him. But they're certainly going to have 1330 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:36.440 to let him be him or else he's just going 1331 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.840 to be a glorified you know whatever mid cart guy 1332 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:42.840 or you know, he's not going to be able to 1333 01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:45.280 do the things that made him impress it, you know. 1334 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.039 And that's the thing is is I think unfortunately guys 1335 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.360 always feel when they go there that they have to 1336 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:54.280 become something that they're not. And you know, the reason 1337 01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:56.159 I got picked up, the reason you know, he gets 1338 01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.639 picked up, or you know the other slew of guys 1339 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.000 that get picked up is for their work prior to 1340 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:04.760 getting there, you know. And we can all adapt. But again, 1341 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.519 when you adapt, are you necessarily oh you know, are 1342 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.559 you changing because you have to or they want you to. 1343 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.400 So I don't know. It's a sticky situation, but I 1344 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:19.840 think he's going to have to be him to a 1345 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.679 certain degree. 1346 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:29.039 Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn 1347 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:33.000 some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Past Cast Every 1348 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.400 Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. Alex and 1349 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:39.719 Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by 1350 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.480 taking you through the Torch issue from that very week. 1351 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:46.199 Follow news from the WWF and WCW and all the 1352 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.440 happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as 1353 01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:52.920 The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the nineties 1354 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:56.360 Past Cast every Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. 1355 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.519 Let's go to another phone call here right here, quote 1356 01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:10.800 three five to two is up? Next three five two 1357 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:13.079 pase state to name in the city are calling from it? 1358 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:16.199 Right's the Eric in Gainesville, Florida. 1359 01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:18.800 Think I don't I'm doing good? Thanks going, Eric? What 1360 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:19.639 have you got for Justin? 1361 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:24.639 I had two questions, uh, two questions. Uh. First, I remember, 1362 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:26.800 I don't know a few months ago you were talking 1363 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:31.039 to somebody about the h the language barrier when Americans 1364 01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:32.719 go over to Japan and how it's not really that 1365 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.960 big of a deal. Uh, Is the language barrier for 1366 01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:38.599 Kenta is gonna be a big deal in the fact 1367 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.760 that he's gonna be working with all Americans all the time, 1368 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.800 and you know he just doesn't cut a big promo. 1369 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.280 Is that can really keep thinking getting over? 1370 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:51.119 I don't think so. I I've been, you know, I 1371 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:54.880 I've been to Japan, I've been to Mexico where guys 1372 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.639 have spoken zero to no English. The funny thing is, 1373 01:06:57.679 --> 01:06:59.760 and I don't I don't think fans even understand is 1374 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.920 wrestling is such a universal language that guys will as 1375 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:06.840 far as from a work great standpoint, that will not 1376 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:10.079 will not hurt him one bit now from cutting that 1377 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:14.280 big money promo will have hurt him. Possibly. I mean, 1378 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.639 I know he's taken strides to learn the language, and 1379 01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:20.760 I'm sure you know, if WW wants him to get over, 1380 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:24.480 they'll also think of ways of getting him over through 1381 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:26.639 you know what I mean. They'll find clever ways of 1382 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:29.800 you know, having him you know, maybe not as much 1383 01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:32.880 Mike time, but cool little ways, like even something as 1384 01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:35.480 corny as the you know, little you know, little skits 1385 01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:37.400 that they did to tie and tie back in the day. 1386 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:39.519 There's just I'm not saying to do that, but there's 1387 01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:43.199 just certain ways that they could assist you, regardless of 1388 01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:45.960 what it is through gimmickry that it wouldn't hurt him 1389 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.480 as much. And I think he's trying to learn the language, 1390 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.920 and you know, he's doing good from what I hear, 1391 01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:53.079 so I don't think it's going to be an issue 1392 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:55.320 at all for him. And believe me, man, it's amazing. 1393 01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:59.280 Everybody in wrestling from Japan to Mexico knows you know, clothesline, 1394 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:03.199 body slam, tackle, drop down, hip took, Yeah, they know 1395 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.920 all that stuff. Yeah, wrestling is a very it really is. 1396 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.480 It's very and it's it was made that way that 1397 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:11.840 it's a very universal language as far as entering performance. 1398 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.280 So Eric anything else for us? 1399 01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:19.600 And yeah, one more question, I was just making deep 1400 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:23.000 as Simmon Daniel Brian does doesn't make it back. Do 1401 01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:26.479 you think that the him and Sammy's ain are too 1402 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:29.000 much alike for Sammy to really get over when he 1403 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.960 does get called up. May mean if there's a look 1404 01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.680 and they're kind of their attitude towards the crowd and 1405 01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:37.000 the way they you know, get themselves psyched out with 1406 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.600 the crowd, phykeed up. Everything seems really similar, and it 1407 01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:43.520 seems like maybe that could be a reason why he 1408 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:44.880 doesn't make it whenever it gets. 1409 01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.039 Called up uge. I wouldn't complain about having too Daniel 1410 01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.000 Brown's and my roster, but I know where Eric's coming from. 1411 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:52.840 I do too, and I wouldn't complain either. But I 1412 01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:55.600 you know, and this is a greater Uh. I'm gonna 1413 01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:57.600 throw this at you real quick and I'll get to 1414 01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.600 your question with an answer. But you know, that's kind 1415 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:02.760 of the indie scene, and that's kind of that whole. 1416 01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.520 You know. If you see most of the successful indie 1417 01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.399 wrestlers that do get signed, like you know Sammy's ame 1418 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.840 in NXT, you know, that's kind of they all. A 1419 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.520 lot of them look very similar, perform very similar moves, 1420 01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:20.720 and act and react very similarly to the crowd. Now, 1421 01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:23.560 I think it's going to be up to Sammy to well, yeah, 1422 01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:27.840 and in partnership with the w W two to kind 1423 01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:31.520 of find something that makes him stand out. I'm sure 1424 01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:33.079 he's not going to be coming up to the main 1425 01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:35.880 roster just as we see him today. I'm sure there 1426 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:38.600 might be a little twist or a little something extra 1427 01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:40.479 that you could put on him. I mean, I know 1428 01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.479 traditionally they try to keep it the same, but yeah, 1429 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.640 you know, yeah, I don't think it's the worst thing 1430 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.239 in the world, but it might be harder to to 1431 01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:52.479 identify who he is and what he would what he 1432 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:55.159 he would bring to the w W roster. But like 1433 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:58.119 like Wade said, man Hew, you know, you know, you 1434 01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.840 could have as many of them around as as you want, 1435 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.439 it would never be enough because they could always provide 1436 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:06.039 you know, great great restlance. 1437 01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:09.119 So I do think WWE might say, oh, you know, 1438 01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:12.159 he's too much like somebody else, so that's not fair 1439 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:14.119 to that somebody else. You know, if if somebody on 1440 01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:15.960 the end scene was just like or i mean in developmental, 1441 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.840 was just like Dean Ambrose, I would understand ww is saying, well, 1442 01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:22.039 you know, that would actually kind of take away from 1443 01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.840 Dean Ambrose if we get a clone of his almost 1444 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.079 up here. Not sobody imitating I'm just someone who happens 1445 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.199 to have a similar slot. I get that, And I 1446 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:31.680 mean I think they probably will give Sam He's saying 1447 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:35.840 something to differentiate himself, and that could be the hold up. 1448 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.920 You know that they're trying to find that right moment 1449 01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.720 in time. You know, people complain about NXT and oh, 1450 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:42.239 why don't they call this guy up? He's so ready, 1451 01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:44.800 so much better than people I watch on Raw, and 1452 01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:47.119 and part of that is just, you know, sometimes there's 1453 01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:50.079 just disagreement over who's a good fit as the main 1454 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.760 roster and who can protect a personality. And sometimes it's 1455 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:54.920 behind the scenes issues where they're worried about discipline or 1456 01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:57.560 maturity and all that. But sometimes it's just they that 1457 01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:01.319 top management in WWE loves them too, and they don't 1458 01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:02.680 want to bring them up when they're going to be 1459 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:05.560 overshadowed by Resumania season or when there's not a good 1460 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:07.840 spot for them where they can really dedicate time to 1461 01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:09.720 pushing them. I think they probably do that they lean 1462 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.520 on those excuses too much. But sometimes a guy got 1463 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:14.520 not getting called up like Samy's aint isn't because the 1464 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.359 don't think he's ready. It's because they're not ready for him, right, Yeah. 1465 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:22.520 Yeah, I totally agree, you know. And it's also man, 1466 01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.640 it's apples and oranges. I mean, you know, I think 1467 01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:28.920 a lot of times we you know, what we think 1468 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:33.039 they are unfortunately up there. It is very It really 1469 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.520 only matters to a couple of guys. You know, maybe 1470 01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:37.920 you know it's funny, but all of us in the 1471 01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:42.199 wrestling business, our lives get decided by only a handful 1472 01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.720 of people, you know that really matter. And the rest is, 1473 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:48.600 you know, there's a lot of yes men in the WWE. 1474 01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:51.880 That's just the reality of it. And you know, that's 1475 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.000 the way people keep their jobs up there is by 1476 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:56.920 saying yes, yes, yes, and really you can't argue much. 1477 01:11:56.920 --> 01:11:59.399 So if somebody doesn't you know, somebody in the right 1478 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.119 place doesn't believe that they're ready or you know, this 1479 01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:04.199 is this, this is that they're going to agree with it. 1480 01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:08.039 So you know, it's a very h is a really 1481 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:11.920 hard situation. And unfortunately we will never just see who 1482 01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:15.520 who are the best workers, the best athletes, and we 1483 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:17.840 really you know, what's the funny thing. They always talk 1484 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.520 about what's best for business. We rarely see what's best 1485 01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:23.159 for business in. 1486 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.039 The ww and that is that ironic. 1487 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:26.920 It's just a cold, hard fact. 1488 01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:27.119 Man. 1489 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:27.920 It sucks. You know. 1490 01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.560 I mentioned earlier in the show the Progressing Torch newsletter. 1491 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:33.760 I've been publishing it weekly and it has been around 1492 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.840 since nineteen eighty seven. We just put out issue number 1493 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:41.680 thirteen hundred and seventy three, and this issue includes part 1494 01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:44.479 three of the undressing fans have been paying for progressing 1495 01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:48.000 Torch going on twenty five plus years, and we're headed 1496 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:51.479 towards thirty in twenty seventeen. All right, let's got another 1497 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:53.880 phone call here. Our guest is just incredible and area 1498 01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:56.560 code four seven eight is up next four seven eight. 1499 01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:59.600 Please state to name in the city or calling from. 1500 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:00.399 Hey guess. 1501 01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.000 This is a manual call him from making Georgia. 1502 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:03.640 Hey, Manuel, thanks for calling. What do you got for 1503 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:03.920 us to that? 1504 01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:09.640 Just one of the three things first, you know, just incredible. 1505 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.239 I always thought that was an awesome name for wrestler. 1506 01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:12.600 Just off top. 1507 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.399 And the group X Factor I thought was kind of 1508 01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:18.920 underrated U with him, X Pok and Albert at the time. 1509 01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:21.920 I actually I don't. I don't have any favorite matches 1510 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:24.000 of theirs, but I always enjoyed seeing them come out, 1511 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:25.520 and I always feel like I saw him on smack 1512 01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:27.640 Down more than Raw. But I thought they were a 1513 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:32.960 pretty good faction as far as sactions go. andX Topic 1514 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:35.399 just oh, no problem at all, but I mean it, 1515 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:40.239 And uh, all right, Dean Ambrose Seth Rollins Roman Reigns 1516 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:42.279 with you know, Rains being out due to a you know, 1517 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:45.279 unfortunate injury, so that kind of pushing back his few 1518 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.479 with Rollins. He thinks there's a chance that they could 1519 01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:51.039 look at doing maybe a three way Shield match heading 1520 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.359 toward WrestleMania, rather than pushing Roman Reigns into the main event. 1521 01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:57.960 And then, just one more comment before you tackle that one. 1522 01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.279 I definitely agree one hundred percent that since the Shield 1523 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:03.800 broke up, I've been hoping that Roman Reigns is a 1524 01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:06.760 tire would change. I just feel like he every time 1525 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:08.800 he comes out, he reminds you of the Shield and 1526 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.199 reminds you of a great group. They were awesome, but 1527 01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:14.880 they're gone. So I just don't think anybody should hold 1528 01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.359 that look because they just remind you of the great 1529 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:20.720 matches they had, every raw, every SmackDown that just won't 1530 01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:21.359 see anymore. 1531 01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:23.600 Yeah. Yeah, there was there was a real there was 1532 01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:26.119 a real magical chemistry page with with the Shield, and 1533 01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:29.600 I'm disappointed. I mean, I understand it. It's not a 1534 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.000 bad thing for their careers in a lot of respects, 1535 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:33.840 but I kind of wanted to see them stay as 1536 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:34.840 a team for another year. 1537 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.159 Yeah, you know, I agree, with the caller, you know, 1538 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:41.640 and I think you know sometimes man, and this is 1539 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.399 my biggest complaint with the w W WEE. You know, 1540 01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.479 you they just try to run through things so quickly. 1541 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.920 It's like, you know, would you try I mean, you know, 1542 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.880 like the fabulous Freebirds. Would you have broken them up 1543 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.800 after a couple of you know, a year together? You know, 1544 01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.079 how were you you know in wrestling back in the day. 1545 01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.359 You ran that stuff until until you had as much 1546 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:04.359 as you could get out of it. If something was 1547 01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:10.159 clicking to that degree. Hell, you know, go with every possibility. 1548 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:13.239 And I just feel like they jumped the gun trying 1549 01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:15.880 to find that that next big thing, whether when that 1550 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:18.560 next big thing might have been right under their nose 1551 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:21.079 to begin with, you know, go go to the left 1552 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:23.319 field a little bit, go left a little bit. Who's 1553 01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:26.159 to say that they couldn't have really run things for 1554 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:28.319 a while as maybe not that you know they're they're 1555 01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.239 not the top babyface, but the top entity where you know, 1556 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:35.039 another horseman, faction of that nature, something of that, you know, 1557 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.600 think outside the box, not just all right, we're gonna 1558 01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:39.760 split them all up and try to you know, send 1559 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:41.439 this guy to the top, and this one will be 1560 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:42.960 over here to the right, and this one'll be over 1561 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:44.640 here to the left. I mean, yes, they could have 1562 01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:48.720 gone so much further with that whole thing, so it. Yeah, 1563 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:52.159 it's the shame. I really liked the intriguing idea. Quite frankly, 1564 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:55.560 I didn't think about this. I'm surprised is that, you know, 1565 01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:57.680 hell somewhere down the line put him putting them all 1566 01:15:57.680 --> 01:15:58.479 in the match together. 1567 01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:00.680 Yeah, be pretty cool. 1568 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:01.920 And I bet you they'd show a lot of pay 1569 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:03.479 per views if they did, you. 1570 01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:06.239 Know, or maybe we've given them an idea. 1571 01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:08.359 Inscriptions a lot of subscriptions to the network. 1572 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:10.960 I'm saying, Well, my fear is now we said it, 1573 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:12.239 and now they're just going to throw it out there 1574 01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:14.920 on Raw next Monday and not even give any build 1575 01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.399 up to it. It'll just be the opening match. Yeah, probably, 1576 01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:20.520 I mean, the first time Brie and Nicky fought each 1577 01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:21.960 other was just the throwaway match in the middle of 1578 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.520 a show. And oh yeah, by the way, they've never 1579 01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:26.000 fought each other before. Oh yeah, great. Thanks for getting 1580 01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:28.079 us excited about it ahead of time, you know, thanks 1581 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:34.880 for the four player, you know, yeah. 1582 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:35.319 Thanks for downloading today's show. 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PW toors dot com slash go VIIP. 1594 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.479 All right, let's go to prior final callum the dayfore 1595 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.239 we moved to be at the after show. Erry code 1596 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:18.880 eight one five. Please state your name in the city 1597 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:20.800 you're calling from. 1598 01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:23.119 This is CJ from Rockbert, Illinois. 1599 01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.680 CJ, thanks for Colin. What have you got for PJ today? 1600 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.800 I would like to talk a little bit about I 1601 01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:31.359 guess discrimination in wrestling. 1602 01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.000 Yep, go ahead, Hello, yep. We don't need to prove 1603 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:36.560 the stuff. 1604 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:38.920 Go for it, okay. 1605 01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:44.279 So something that I noticed in wrestling is there's kind 1606 01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:49.720 of three areas in wrestling that tend to get really 1607 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:56.000 bad pressed. One is is racism, the other is sexism, 1608 01:17:56.079 --> 01:18:01.319 and then there is ableism, which is discrimination again non 1609 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:09.600 normative bodies. And I'm wondering if you see that changing 1610 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:15.479 in the coming future of the wrestling products. C. J. 1611 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:18.439 Hil Clarkfright, you you think that wrestling discriminates against non 1612 01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:21.600 normative bodies? Are you talking mainly about women or all everybody? 1613 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:29.880 Everyone? So like, uh, for instance with j R. S 1614 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:35.159 Thought with Devil's Polsi, or uh, the ways that they 1615 01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:38.359 treated uh Zach Gowin. 1616 01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:39.039 Or even. 1617 01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:44.159 Or Josh Matthews with his spray on ten. 1618 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:48.600 Yeah, yeah, that was really terrible. I think he should 1619 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:53.359 have been fired for that. And I mean, I guess 1620 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:57.159 for interesting like full quoture. I'm a person who whistled 1621 01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:59.840 a mild form of three wal polsy, So it's some 1622 01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:03.960 that I I guess I noticed more as someone who 1623 01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:06.800 sees it throughout all of society. 1624 01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:10.319 Well, I'll just say I think the way that they 1625 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:14.359 treated Jim Ross and Bell's palsy was awful. Ed Ferrara 1626 01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.720 has been on this show and or has done interviews 1627 01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.640 with me and just you know, apologize profusely for participating 1628 01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.800 in mocking you know, Jim Ross and the Bell's palsy. 1629 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:26.960 I think ww we brought it on in certain ways 1630 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:31.079 and then exacerbated in certain ways, and uh and then 1631 01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:34.920 made made it. It just seem like way bigger, made 1632 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:36.720 way bigger of a deal out of it than it 1633 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:38.479 was because I don't think any viewers cared what the 1634 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:40.640 announcer looked like as long as long as the announcer 1635 01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:42.640 did a great job calling the action. And nobody's been 1636 01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:44.640 better than Jim Ross at that, So I agree with 1637 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:47.520 that specifically, Uh, Zach Gowan, it's very tough to have 1638 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.439 a one legged wrestler and not make an issue of it. 1639 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:53.359 Though he you know, he's he was on the show 1640 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.840 right backtally back the weekend before Somnia this year, great guest, 1641 01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:01.760 and he he knows he's going to be on the 1642 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:05.600 show as a novelty to a certain extent because it's 1643 01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:08.159 a wrestling show and realistically, a one legged wrestler is 1644 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:10.119 not going to be treated the same as a two 1645 01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:12.279 legged wrestler. But peech, what what do you think about 1646 01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:14.680 the point CJ brings up? I guess my short my 1647 01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:16.720 short take on it is it has to be situational. 1648 01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:19.000 Case by case it is. 1649 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:22.159 And I just you know, just to say this too, uh, 1650 01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:25.680 you know, full disclosure. Jim ross is as a friend 1651 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:28.840 of mine, and it was absolutely disgusting, quite frankly, after 1652 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.000 all the great years of service as being the best 1653 01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:33.920 in the business, uh, the way they treated him throughout 1654 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:36.560 his years. But you know, I just wanting to get 1655 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:38.439 that out here because you deserved way better than that 1656 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:41.359 just as human being. But two, I mean also, you know, 1657 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:46.960 I agree, I think it is situational, very situational. Look, 1658 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:48.920 the bottom line is this, and you know, we hate 1659 01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:52.520 to say it, but it's you know, it's about uh, 1660 01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:54.560 you know, we live in a very in a society 1661 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:58.439 where what's pleasing to the eye is what sells. Whether 1662 01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:02.880 it's that you know, tip go blonde hair, you know, whatever, 1663 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:05.000 the you know, whatever kids like, you know, whatever, the 1664 01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:08.720 you know, thee whatever's considered sexy is what they're gonna think. 1665 01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:11.560 You know, what we they think the American public is 1666 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:13.239 going to find sexy is what they're gonna put out 1667 01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:16.960 there as far as well with the men whatever whatever 1668 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.159 they think that men and women will will will dig 1669 01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:24.520 in a wrestler. Yeah, I think it's it's very it's 1670 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.000 it's you know, they're they're out there trying to I 1671 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.720 don't know, but you know, even just even saying with Vince, 1672 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:35.239 like how he's always liked and preferred bigger athletes, bigger wrestlers, 1673 01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:37.880 the giants, the the guys that are six seven, you know, 1674 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:40.960 two hundred and eighty three hundred pounds, you know, muscle 1675 01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:44.479 bound guys. So yeah, I mean it's unfortunately, we live 1676 01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:47.840 in a world, in the confines of Pro wrestling world, 1677 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:52.359 I should say, we're in a world that everything is 1678 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:56.199 again relies on the opinions of a couple of people, 1679 01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:00.880 and it doesn't necessarily reflect, you know, react because it's 1680 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:03.760 it's a worked business. It's they pretend to the world. 1681 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:07.439 So yeah, it's it's very situational and uh, you know, 1682 01:22:07.479 --> 01:22:11.319 I think from a responsibility standpoint of WWE, which they 1683 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:15.119 do now because everything in the world is so politically correct, 1684 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:18.079 you know, in that PC environment where things that we 1685 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:20.720 said ten fifteen years ago we would never say or 1686 01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:24.840 do today. So you know, but you know, but I don't. Unfortunately, 1687 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:27.479 I also know that the ww does that because they 1688 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:29.600 have to now, because they necessarily feel like they should. 1689 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:31.359 And I think there's a lot of things that were 1690 01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:33.239 said in the past that probably shouldn't be said today. 1691 01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.680 I don't think the absolutely, you know, the bush I 1692 01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:37.000 went to outse shows in the late eighties and the 1693 01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:41.119 Bushwhackers are channing fag fag g o t getting fans 1694 01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:43.319 to chant that. And I was sat next to kids 1695 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.000 who were chanting that at the Beverly Brothers and I'm 1696 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:47.359 just like that then it was little cool. So I mean, 1697 01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:49.399 when we say, oh, there two PC, it's it again, 1698 01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:52.319 it's sort of like the you have to do it 1699 01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:55.119 on a case, my case fasis. Sometimes people are overreacting. 1700 01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:59.479 Ted Robinson, an announcer is suspended for some for from 1701 01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:00.920 what I've heard of it, I didn't hear the exact 1702 01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:02.880 comment or I didn't hear the actual comments in context, 1703 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:05.720 but it seems like he got suspended for a ridiculous reason, 1704 01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:08.640 and other people are getting suspended for pretty good reasons. 1705 01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:11.800 And so it is case by case. But what it 1706 01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:14.520 comes down to is being decent. You know, like you 1707 01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:16.199 don't have to be on you know, on eggshells, but 1708 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:18.600 are you a decent person? You know, are you somebody? 1709 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:22.520 Are you being empathetic or are you picking on the 1710 01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:26.039 week or or going after somebody in a position of 1711 01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:28.359 power who needs truth spoken to them. And that's kind 1712 01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:30.520 of my guideline, you know, it's if you're if you're 1713 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:34.760 picking on somebody weak or discriminated against. You know, maybe 1714 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:36.840 it's not you shouldn't be proud to be to be 1715 01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:40.159 anti PC. But if you're just outlooking for somebody to 1716 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:42.079 make a mistake and blow it out of proportion, then 1717 01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:43.439 you're the one with you is You're not the person 1718 01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:46.800 you're policing. So it is so case so case by case, yes, 1719 01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:52.199 it is is yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's just 1720 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.640 but the thing is wrestling is a cosmetic business, and 1721 01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:59.279 it's there's a little bit more freedom CJ in wrestling 1722 01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:01.920 to put wrestlers in the ring who have one like. 1723 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:03.640 You'd never see that in the NFL, you know, I 1724 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:08.960 mean there's but you would see ugly announcers in the 1725 01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:12.079 NFL and baseball, and there's plenty of quote ugly announcers 1726 01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:15.640 based on you know, model standards, but they're really good 1727 01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:17.359 at what they do and their FaceTime is limited because 1728 01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:20.880 it's about the athletes and the networks value what they're 1729 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:22.840 play by play, and I think sometimes wrestling has gone 1730 01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:24.960 too far in that direction. But CJ, did we do 1731 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:26.920 a decent job addressing your your points? You do you 1732 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:27.680 want to add follow up? 1733 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:31.039 If I could add fall up, and I'll try to 1734 01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:35.920 be as quick as possible. Sure, I I'm not advocating 1735 01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:40.119 that like that Carwin should have been, you know, bigger 1736 01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:43.199 than what he was, because to be honest, I don't 1737 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:44.760 even think that he should have been in the ring 1738 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:48.560 at that point in time in his career anyways. And 1739 01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:52.199 I get the whole idea of case by case basis, 1740 01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:55.439 and I agree with it to a certain extent. I 1741 01:24:55.479 --> 01:25:01.039 guess what I see is that wrestling from a sociological 1742 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:04.680 standpoint is so fascinating and then at the same time 1743 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:08.760 it has such potential to be a force of good 1744 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.199 in kind of addressing these issues that are society. And 1745 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:16.800 it's totally since so much of it is scripted and predetermined, 1746 01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:21.319 it's not exactly hard to do to undo racism or 1747 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:23.640 undo a bit of peptism. 1748 01:25:24.039 --> 01:25:25.920 And so like with like Zach Gollan. 1749 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.239 Like sure like he should have been taking off TV 1750 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:30.840 because I think he ran his course. But you didn't 1751 01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:33.159 have to have like brock Lesner like bully him and 1752 01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:34.800 like throw down the stairs. 1753 01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:37.720 But why not? Why not because there's bullies CJ who 1754 01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:40.800 pick on people and wrestle, and they portrayed him not 1755 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:43.399 as a hero but as a complete jerk for doing it, 1756 01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:47.319 a horrible human being, and Zach gollen was was representing 1757 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.159 people who are picked on And to me, as long 1758 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:52.760 as you've got as long as the tone of the 1759 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:56.199 angle is correct, you should have the latitude to portray 1760 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.239 that there are bullies out there who do awful things 1761 01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:03.000 to weaker people, which which. 1762 01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:06.520 I completely agree with. I'm not disagreeing with that from 1763 01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:09.279 us at all. But yeah, However, as a person who 1764 01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:13.560 like lived with disability and also the person who sees 1765 01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:19.600 media portrayal of of people with non normative bodies, that 1766 01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:25.079 was a misstep in the sense of WW very rarely 1767 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:31.079 ever talks about disability outside of like the inspiration narrative. 1768 01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:35.880 So to have a so to have a person with 1769 01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:41.000 a non omative body to be like thrown down and 1770 01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:44.800 bullied in that way, like, I agree, it's a great storyline. 1771 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:49.520 It makes black lizards look like a jerk. However, they 1772 01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:56.159 did really ever show a person that outside of disability 1773 01:26:56.760 --> 01:27:00.319 with Zach Allen, and then for that to become is 1774 01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:02.279 like down and fall of well. 1775 01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:03.760 You know, you're good, but you're not as good. 1776 01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:05.319 As a smnster and he's just gonna throw you down 1777 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:08.960 the stairs. And then, you know, I just felt like 1778 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:12.199 it was a fig misstep, right. 1779 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:15.199 I hear what you're saying, And just so you know too, dude, 1780 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.920 and I agree with you in premise. My youngest son, 1781 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:22.680 my seven year old son, Christian, he's also he's physically disabled. 1782 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:25.720 He he has a hard time walking, He's had several surgeries, 1783 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:29.239 he's missing two discs in his lower back. So I mean, 1784 01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:31.520 I get it, you know, and I believe me as 1785 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:36.119 as raising a special needs son. I get it, and 1786 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:40.319 and you're right, and we unfortunately in wrestling, we tend 1787 01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:43.600 to marginalize things like that, and we kind of, you know, 1788 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:46.520 we do the you know, we take the easy way out. 1789 01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:48.760 So I would like to see, you know, i'd almost 1790 01:27:48.800 --> 01:27:51.439 like to see it be portrayed in a better light, 1791 01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:54.000 or at least dig a little deeper if you're going 1792 01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:57.279 to go that route. So I do understand what you're saying. 1793 01:27:57.319 --> 01:27:59.680 CJ is one hundred percent. I do hear you. 1794 01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:09.399 Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back, 1795 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:12.600 relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share 1796 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:13.159 your passion. 1797 01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:15.520 Do you want to be topped off the ledge after 1798 01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:17.800 a segment that has you wondering what the heck are 1799 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:20.560 they thinking? Do you want to join a discussion on 1800 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.319 what AW is doing right and what they could do 1801 01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:26.520 to improve? Then join me Joel and me Greg for 1802 01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:29.039 the All of the Conversation Club every Friday on the 1803 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:32.880 PW Torch Live Cast. Fee search pw torch in your 1804 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:36.640 podcast app and subscribe to pw Torchdaily Cast or stream 1805 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.680 our shows directly from pw torch dot com. Find full 1806 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:54.880 details on the pw Torchdailycast lineup at pw torchdailycast dot com. 1807 01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:57.560 DJ appreciate you, Frida coverstation. Go ahead and I'll give 1808 01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:58.720 you the funal word here if you want to add. 1809 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:02.960 Up, Yeah, you know, I just want to thank you 1810 01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:06.239 guys for everything conversation and and like I said, like, 1811 01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:09.439 this isn't just about disability. This is about kind of 1812 01:29:10.319 --> 01:29:16.000 and the opportunity for wrestling to undo racism or undo sexism. 1813 01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:19.720 And uh, I think they've missed it a lot because 1814 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:25.319 you know, they get more focused on the little things 1815 01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:27.239 that they do, but they don't look at the bigger picture. 1816 01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:29.119 That's all I'm really saying. 1817 01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:32.159 Cool, Gay, appreciate you call and hope you'll call again. 1818 01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.000 Thanks brother, Absolutely all right. 1819 01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:39.600 You know I remember Molly Holly, you know that her 1820 01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:44.119 that she was seen as quote too fat by some 1821 01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:49.079 management when she was just what do they say crevacous 1822 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:51.800 and she was a lot of guys type. 1823 01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:54.439 Yeah, she was perfect. I mean, I I mean not 1824 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.680 like that. I mean I travel I actually traveled with 1825 01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:59.119 her a little bit. She was a cool chick, really 1826 01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:01.520 down to earth and me, I mean, you know, she 1827 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:05.479 was perfect. But you know, we're looking for that diamond dozen. 1828 01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:06.079 Uh. 1829 01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:08.640 You know those girls that they'll stick figure. 1830 01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:09.760 Girls, and that's Michelle McCool. 1831 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.560 Yeah, And that's to me, that's for me. That's not 1832 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:17.119 my type, but for you know, maybe stereotypical, you know. 1833 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:19.359 And it's not just a wrestlings thing. I think it's 1834 01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:23.359 in an America thing where with celebrities and you know, 1835 01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:26.000 you know, E news and you know the you know, 1836 01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:30.359 the car the Kardashian generation of what we think is 1837 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:33.399 you know, I don't know, that's a whole nother shit. 1838 01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:35.640 We can do oh, I know, and then you know, 1839 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.319 Mickey James became Piggy James, and I interviewed Mickey James 1840 01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:41.520 last year about that very subject. And you know that 1841 01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:43.920 the idea that if management sees a woman gaining a 1842 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:46.640 little bit of weight, that now we're gonna punish her 1843 01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:49.199 by humiliating her, by making fun of her and calling 1844 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:49.720 out a pig. 1845 01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:52.560 That's that's so not right. I know, first of all, 1846 01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:54.960 I know her as well ver I know Mike you 1847 01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:57.479 very well, and she's a new mother and everything. 1848 01:30:57.560 --> 01:30:59.640 Congrat o, congrats go out here too, by the way. 1849 01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:02.359 And I thought she was absolutely gorgeous. I mean, I'm 1850 01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:05.720 a married man, you know, for seventeen years, but I 1851 01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:08.159 thought she was a gorgeous lady. And she had nothing 1852 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.520 to be ashamed of on them for doing that, you know, 1853 01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:13.159 to be honest, because there's believe me, there's all types. 1854 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:17.399 I mean, you know, I as ladies trying to make 1855 01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:20.079 a name in this business. It's hard enough, and a 1856 01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:22.680 shame on them for that kind of stuff. But that's 1857 01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:25.800 you know what that's again that in my opinion, that 1858 01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:33.359 that for fraternity style alpha male environment, that WW is 1859 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:37.600 whether male or female. You know, it's like that, you know, hey, 1860 01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:39.600 I'm better because I have less body fat and bigger 1861 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:41.359 muscles and whatever. 1862 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:44.359 You know, Yeah, I do. I do want a note, 1863 01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:46.560 and then we'll shift to the VP after show for 1864 01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:48.119 a few minutes here, and I want to read that 1865 01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:50.279 email with that wild card that's laying in the weeds 1866 01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:52.439 that WWE could take advantage of if they needed some 1867 01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:57.359 talent right now or ninety second, and talk a little 1868 01:31:57.359 --> 01:32:01.479 bit more about NXT because justin been watching it. But 1869 01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:04.119 I do want to say, as far as wrestling being seasonal, 1870 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:08.720 our our traffic, our listenership for the p W Torch 1871 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:12.680 live cast since WrestleMania, and we've had four complete months May, June, July, 1872 01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:17.000 and August since WrestleMania season those four months beat January, February, 1873 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:20.439 March in April. And I say that one because it's 1874 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:23.000 great that, you know, the show has been successful and 1875 01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:26.319 we continue to grow. But part of it too is 1876 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:29.239 WWE doesn't have to resign themselves to this big drop 1877 01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:32.000 in ratings and business at different times of the year. 1878 01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:34.600 There's there's a real I mean, there's a I mean, 1879 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:38.600 there's a there's ups and downs week to week, but 1880 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:42.319 overall month to month, we just consistently grow and so 1881 01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:46.119 there's not a big drop off right after WrestleMania. On 1882 01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:48.239 this show, we have a really loyal listenership, and we 1883 01:32:48.279 --> 01:32:50.560 actually did more listens in May than we did in April, 1884 01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:52.199 which and we did more in April than we did 1885 01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:55.479 in March. So I'm just saying, I'm looking right at 1886 01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:57.640 the chart, you know, and it's just I'm not seeing 1887 01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.479 that seasonal drop that WW finds inevitable and I wanted 1888 01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:03.279 to bring that just go back to that conversation or 1889 01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:05.560 reference it page, you know, we talked about, you know, yeah, 1890 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:08.079 designing the film to it, and it's just I mean, 1891 01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:09.920 people who listen to the show and download the show 1892 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:12.399 do it year round consistently, and I think wwe should 1893 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:16.159 not have the self fulfillment prophecy of that. Anyway, We're 1894 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:17.800 almost out of time here or at the ninety minute mark. 1895 01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:20.399 Thank you everybody for your support. 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Let's I want to shift 1926 01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:20.920 to that email with that X factor wrestler who is 1927 01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:23.560 out there, Peage and get your thoughts on on whether 1928 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:24.600 there's a way thank you for. 1929 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:27.359 Using blog talk radio goodbye. 1930 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:31.359 And whether there's a way to rehab rye back into 1931 01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:35.880 being a relevant player once again. And the question comes 1932 01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:38.159 from Jose from ox Nerd who says, with Rains and 1933 01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:41.239 Brian out, nobody's talking about Rye Back. Maybe wwe could 1934 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:44.119 repackage Ryback and give him another push at the top. 1935 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:46.399 What are your thoughts on Rye Back and an all 1936 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:49.399 new repackaged image. And I'll add to that question, Peag. 1937 01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:54.359 In brock Lesner's title reign, I was really disappointed they 1938 01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:57.319 went to a rematch Withsina. I thought the story they 1939 01:35:57.359 --> 01:35:58.920 needed to tell to get Roman reigns over at or 1940 01:35:58.960 --> 01:36:00.960 so Many thirty one or who met beats Lesner at 1941 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:03.239 Mania thirty one? If they even go with Lesner losing 1942 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:05.399 that soon. The way to build that storyline up is 1943 01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:09.199 become promoters, not presenters, and promote the hell out of 1944 01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.520 somebody for a month and give fans something to believe 1945 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.119 in that this is the guy who has what the 1946 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:19.319 last guy didn't have. Not everybody's not every MMA fighter 1947 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:21.479 who beats another fighter is going to beat the guy 1948 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:24.199 that that guy beats. There's so many reasons that there's 1949 01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:27.439 a tangled web of traits that lead to somebody maybe 1950 01:36:27.439 --> 01:36:30.960 having a physical or mental or strategic advantage. So my 1951 01:36:31.119 --> 01:36:33.279 thinking was line and I wrote this in end notes 1952 01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:35.960 in the newsletter a couple months back. Line up opponents 1953 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:38.720 for Lesnar and have him go through a new next 1954 01:36:39.039 --> 01:36:42.520 big hope every month. And Ryebek was one of my guys. 1955 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:44.479 I thought, rye Beeck is a guy that they could 1956 01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:47.319 build up in time for November December to be a guy. 1957 01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:50.159 And Rybek comes out there and says, I've got the 1958 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:53.600 I've got more power than all of these guys who 1959 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:55.279 have been out here who have tried to take him down. 1960 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:58.079 And you know, give have three or four talking points 1961 01:36:58.119 --> 01:37:00.840 where you give fans that story to believe even that 1962 01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:03.800 Ryeback can do it. And I'm not saying fans believe 1963 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:05.439 he would do it, but you'd give them enough to 1964 01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:07.800 get invested in the possibility of it may be happening. 1965 01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:09.800 That's what they did with Hogan. Hogan went through new 1966 01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:12.800 opponents during his late eighties early nineties title reign in 1967 01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:15.760 the WWF, and it was a new guy every month 1968 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.720 or every couple months, and they built him up and 1969 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:20.920 made you believe whether it's Hercules, or whether it was earthquake, 1970 01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:23.239 or whether it was Randy Savage, I mean, the whole race, 1971 01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:26.399 big boss man, like, I don't see I don't, I 1972 01:37:26.439 --> 01:37:29.880 don't they haven't done that, and I don't know who's 1973 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:32.359 next for Brock, and I'm disappointed, And so Ryback seems 1974 01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:34.159 like somebody who you know, he was out with an injury. 1975 01:37:34.199 --> 01:37:36.039 We don't know his return date, but if he were available, 1976 01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:37.640 I kind of liked that idea. 1977 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:40.119 I did too. And then if you if you recall 1978 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:45.119 quite frankly the WWF or he did that quite they 1979 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:48.720 did that a lot with Doctor Dean, David Schultz, Terry Funk, 1980 01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:52.399 Harley Race. I mean, they threw everybody at Hogan. Hogan 1981 01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:56.640 beat everybody. So yeah, I love that idea, and quite frankly, 1982 01:37:56.720 --> 01:37:59.920 I love Ryeback as far as somebody that they should 1983 01:37:59.920 --> 01:38:03.359 have never let go that far. I mean, obviously they must, 1984 01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:06.600 you know, Unfortunately the political system there. You know, he 1985 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:09.640 does a couple of things wrong or something that they 1986 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:12.960 might see that's a flood of his character or his ability, 1987 01:38:13.399 --> 01:38:15.800 then you know, everybody gangs up on that. So you know, 1988 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.880 I can, I could see how that could gets spiraled 1989 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:22.840 out of control. But from a pure athletics standpoint and 1990 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:26.279 what he brings, you know, he's a charismatic guy, and 1991 01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:29.239 I honestly think that it was a little bit of 1992 01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:33.359 work that he could he could be somebody still regardless 1993 01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:35.920 of of the path he's gone down. You know that 1994 01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:39.039 they put him down with, you know, with Curtis Axel. 1995 01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:42.199 So yeah, absolutely, dude, I'm right there with you. I mean, 1996 01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:44.479 you can't wait. I mean, he's not that many guys 1997 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.239 look like that, and you know, quite frankly, he doesn't 1998 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:49.560 have to do a whole hell of a lot. But 1999 01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:53.880 he's a pretty talented guy, you know, all things considered. 2000 01:38:53.640 --> 01:38:56.159 And I think WWE has sort of one and this 2001 01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:59.119 might be slightly over simplifying it, but that one standard 2002 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:01.800 for pushing somebody to a main event, and that is, 2003 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:03.640 if we push somebody at a main event, they have 2004 01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:07.039 to be perfect employee, on time, never get in trouble, 2005 01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:09.840 never show any signs of immaturity, always defer to management, 2006 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:12.520 always know the mcmhons are great and worship at our altar. 2007 01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:15.039 But also if we push someone to the main event, 2008 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:16.720 they better be somebody who can be a main event 2009 01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:19.479 for eight years. And I don't believe in that. I 2010 01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:23.840 think somebody can be valuable at freshening up, giving yourself 2011 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.239 a break from the same guys incestuously fighting each other 2012 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:28.119 by building somebody up to be a main eventor for 2013 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:30.199 maybe three to six months, and that might be all 2014 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:32.439 they have in them. But if you do it, you'll 2015 01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:35.720 make money with them, and you have no pre you 2016 01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:39.079 have no you're not reliant on their ability to then 2017 01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:42.079 be a main event full time for the next thirteen years. 2018 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:45.720 Absolutely, and I'd think, but how I would look at 2019 01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:47.520 it too, those could be some those that could be 2020 01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:49.960 a hell of a three to six months periods, you know. 2021 01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:53.520 I mean sometimes I would love, oh man, I would 2022 01:39:53.600 --> 01:39:57.279 love to see wwly take more risks and not be 2023 01:39:57.359 --> 01:40:01.039 so systematic. Yes, it's almost like really, it's almost like 2024 01:40:01.159 --> 01:40:04.119 a computer where you know kind of what you know, 2025 01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:07.239 you type something into a search engine and you kind 2026 01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:09.600 of know what you're gonna get. That's the problem. They're 2027 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:13.319 no surprises. Fans know like, oh, Rum and Rams, he's 2028 01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:15.800 the next guy, this is what it's going to be, 2029 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:19.199 and that's it. And I think wrestling could be so 2030 01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:20.840 much more than that. You got to come from the 2031 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:23.319 left a little bit because, like I said earlier in 2032 01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:26.800 the other part of the broadcast that you know, we 2033 01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:30.520 don't have the privilege of getting guys that were already established, 2034 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:33.159 huge stars to jump on over. So now you're gonna 2035 01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:35.560 have to think in house and you're gonna have to 2036 01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:38.680 shock the people once in a while. And you know, 2037 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:40.239 there's a lot I mean, they have a hell of 2038 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:42.840 a talent pool. It's not a lack of talent, it's 2039 01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.520 just the lack of imagination and a lack of guts. 2040 01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:48.239 Quite frankly, I hate to say it, but you know, 2041 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:50.439 it's a lack of guts to what you can do. 2042 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:52.680 Sometimes you're gonna have to take a chance and if 2043 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:56.159 it bombs, it bombs. But you know, hell, there's there's 2044 01:40:56.199 --> 01:40:59.319 there's a lot of people you can play with on 2045 01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:01.960 that roster. You know a lot of them, and he's 2046 01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:03.479 one of them. 2047 01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:05.359 Give yourself a reason to look forward to going into 2048 01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:08.880 the mailbox each week with a PW Torch Newsletter paper copy. 2049 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:13.439 Subscription details at PW torch dot com slash paper Copy. 2050 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.399 It's twelve pages every week packed with my TV reports, 2051 01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:18.960 along with exclusive features such as my cover story on 2052 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:21.239 the top story of the week, our pay per view 2053 01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:25.000 roundtable reviews from the Torch staff, exclusive feature length columns 2054 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:29.119 from Greg Parks, Rich Fan, Sean Radikin, Alan Coonahan, and 2055 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:33.000 Zach Haydorn, Torch Talk transcripts, the latest news and more. 2056 01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:37.039 PW torch dot com slash paper Copy. 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PW Torch dot Com slash paper Copy. 2063 01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:03.479 Left gen NXT Titus O'Neil and he did retake you 2064 01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:07.760 the events against Adrian Nevo and Sammy Zain and O'Neill 2065 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:09.800 is somebody who I thought had that there was a window. 2066 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:11.000 I don't know if it was a year, year and 2067 01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:12.800 a half, two years ago, whatever it was, there was 2068 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.239 a window of opportunity with him to move him to 2069 01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:18.079 the top. He's older, he's got all kinds of green 2070 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:21.279 aspects to it, you know. I mean, no, I am 2071 01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:23.479 not doubting that. But Paul Haman and you were around 2072 01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:26.359 for it. Took guys who were in seven out of 2073 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:29.560 eight ways, and I'm exaggerating slightly, had no business being 2074 01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:32.079 in the ring, no business being featured on TV, and 2075 01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:36.000 he took that one thing and he made money with them. 2076 01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:37.960 Even if it wasn't for five years and it didn't, 2077 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:40.039 he found a way to make money and rotate guys in. 2078 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:44.600 To me, Titus O'Neil, there are absolutely disqualifying reasons to 2079 01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:46.479 say this guy doesn't deserve a push. I had a 2080 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:48.520 bunch of other guys, but there was a window there 2081 01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:51.199 where he seemed to be connecting with the crowd in 2082 01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:53.800 a way that was special, and I think you could 2083 01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:55.720 have done something with him and made some money for 2084 01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:58.880 three to eighteen months, and that's the window with him, 2085 01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:01.680 and I think it passed. He's been defined down and 2086 01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:03.039 we now there's no way. 2087 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:04.520 I don't know who to do that now we know 2088 01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:06.720 we know what he is. But you're absolutely right. That's 2089 01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:08.880 the thing about Hayman is he had to make chicken 2090 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:12.319 salad out of chicken. You know what chicken shit, you know. 2091 01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:16.680 And but that's the thing that the genius of Paul Hayman. 2092 01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:18.720 And I don't want to blow his horn too much, 2093 01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:23.960 but all seriousness, if he was a great self motivator, 2094 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:27.520 and that's what that was the brilliance of ECW was 2095 01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:31.479 Paul's ability to to would I would even go as 2096 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:36.399 far as to manipulate the talent to believe that they 2097 01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:40.720 were something he made. Although Montoya believe he was somebody. 2098 01:43:41.319 --> 01:43:44.520 Therefore he acted on his dream because my ultimate dream 2099 01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:47.159 was to be a world champion, or to be somebody, 2100 01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:48.760 to be an event, a paper view or two, or 2101 01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:51.720 whatever the case may be. And I think if the 2102 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:55.720 wwe did a better job of possibly instead of having 2103 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:58.720 it being at alpha male you get it or you don't, 2104 01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.560 or if you don't, you know, if you can't kind 2105 01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:04.439 of follow the leader, you're going to fall behind. If 2106 01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:06.960 they would take certain guys who they felt that potential 2107 01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:10.960 and nurture them a little more. Then they'd be in 2108 01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:13.439 better shape. I mean, sometimes it just takes a little 2109 01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:16.199 bit of a mental switch to click off in that 2110 01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:20.119 athlete and then they act differently. Believe me, I acted 2111 01:44:20.239 --> 01:44:23.560 much differently as just incredible getting a push in ECW 2112 01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:26.039 or being the ECW World Champion than I ever did 2113 01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:28.840 as a member of the X Factor, because I had 2114 01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:31.399 Paul there to kind of say, hey, you are this guy, 2115 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:33.840 you are that good. You just got to believe it, 2116 01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:36.239 and I did so Therefore I went out and performed, 2117 01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:40.079 whereas in the WWE, I was just one of the million, 2118 01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:44.399 believing that I probably wasn't even deserving to be here, 2119 01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:47.199 you know, And that's that's dealing with but that's dealing 2120 01:44:47.239 --> 01:44:50.720 with individual psyche. But you know, you know, as an athlete, 2121 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.800 the psyche is is half the battle, if not more, 2122 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:57.399 because if you believe you're that guy, you will perform 2123 01:44:57.439 --> 01:45:00.239 as that guy, and you'll go above and beyond to 2124 01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.039 be that guy. And that was the brilliance of Hayman, 2125 01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:04.720 not even to get on a Hayman kick, but just 2126 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:08.359 to get on a where wand could change their approach 2127 01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:12.880 to guys like Titus or ride Back or whomever to 2128 01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:15.800 step up and catch that window of that three to 2129 01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:18.520 six months of using them out on top. 2130 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:24.640 Yeah, I agree, and it they just sell they they 2131 01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:27.560 they what's we're going for? Inefficient They're inefficient at their 2132 01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:29.960 use of talent, you know, and I mean the icy 2133 01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:31.600 title we talked about a Monday. They could have made 2134 01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:34.880 such a bigger deal out of that. There's there's a 2135 01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:36.600 way to get a boost out of that. I want 2136 01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:38.239 to stick with NXT, though, I don't get off track. 2137 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:42.159 What uh from what what you see on NXT? Who 2138 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:46.199 do you think is potential money in the future. Who 2139 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:47.960 are two or three guys that you look at when 2140 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.039 you're watching XT and go, yeah, they're they're going to 2141 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:52.079 be main roster They're either ready now or will be 2142 01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:55.960 soon to be money guys for w W and be 2143 01:45:56.039 --> 01:45:56.960 long term guys. 2144 01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:01.359 Sure, I like, of course every he's gonna say Sammy's Zaine, 2145 01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:05.600 you know, he just he was in my opinion, I 2146 01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:09.159 thought he was a you know, pretty close to being 2147 01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:12.640 a main event player a while ago. You know, even 2148 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:15.600 if you you know, just bring it back to his 2149 01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:18.520 what he's done in on the indie level. I mean, 2150 01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:21.920 he's a world class guy in my opinion, you know, 2151 01:46:22.039 --> 01:46:24.000 one of the guys I really like, and you're gonna, 2152 01:46:24.039 --> 01:46:25.520 I don't know if you'll snark at me, but I 2153 01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:29.399 think will eventually. He's not ready right now. But Who's 2154 01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:34.520 somebody I watch and really enjoy is Tyler Brees. I really, 2155 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:39.800 I really enjoy his work and he's definitely somebody that 2156 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:41.640 that you know, I follow. 2157 01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:47.000 So I'm intrigued by Tyler Breese joining Damian Sandow and Miss. 2158 01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:47.880 Yeah. 2159 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:50.640 Like, I think the dynamic there of Tyler Brees' starting 2160 01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:52.520 office or not just growing up being kind of a 2161 01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:55.399 lackey who's going, Who's who just dry fans nuts because 2162 01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:59.560 he reinforces Miss's self image as a big shot and 2163 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:02.720 even eventually long term in this case, you know, six 2164 01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:04.600 twelve months down the line, I think it could be 2165 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:09.439 a key for Damian sandal breaking away because because the 2166 01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:12.560 worship of Miss Is just ends up being too much 2167 01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:15.119 for him, and he ends up breaking away and actually 2168 01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:18.319 can become something more significant. Having the fans been on 2169 01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:21.840 the journey with Damien just you know, being over kind 2170 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:25.720 of just grossed out at at Tyler Breeze's worship of 2171 01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:27.960 miss To me, that's like that that fits well. I mean, 2172 01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:29.640 I think there's other things Tyler Brees can do, but 2173 01:47:29.840 --> 01:47:31.439 I'm not sure you bring them in and make them 2174 01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:33.000 a giant killer. You know, that's not his. 2175 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:36.880 Act, sure, and you know what I mean, I'm not sure. 2176 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:40.000 I liked what I saw, but we did we say. 2177 01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:43.560 In my opinion, I didn't see enough from them I liked. 2178 01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:47.479 I'm curious to see if, if, and when the ascension 2179 01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:52.159 and that they even come to. Yeah, you know, the 2180 01:47:52.399 --> 01:47:54.680 WW is a tag team if they are going to be, 2181 01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:57.840 you know, I'd love to see more more tag teams, 2182 01:47:57.880 --> 01:48:01.720 like traditional tag teams in the WW. And I think 2183 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:04.079 that would be somebody, you know, somewhere to start. I mean, 2184 01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:07.560 you know, we have the USOS, we have obviously Goldbust 2185 01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:10.840 and his brother and you know, you know other teams. 2186 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:13.000 But it's just I would love to see a really 2187 01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:16.159 healthy tag division because to me, I still love to 2188 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:19.880 see a great tag team match, and I think sometimes 2189 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:22.920 those could be the best matches on the card if 2190 01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:25.479 you have the right guys to do it. So I'd 2191 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:29.039 love to see them, you know, really produce a great 2192 01:48:29.159 --> 01:48:32.439 tag division, which I think they're very capable of. And also, 2193 01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:34.279 you know, I like to you know, and I think 2194 01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:36.359 he has a lot of work though still to go. 2195 01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:36.920 But C J. 2196 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:40.279 Parker, you know, I don't know, maybe it's the character 2197 01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:42.760 or whatever, but I think he can eventually in six 2198 01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:46.840 months to a year, you know, be called up. You know, 2199 01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:48.439 he still has some work to do, but I think, 2200 01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:51.079 you know, I like it's certainly like his stuff as well. 2201 01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:56.079 Yeah, cool, cool, All right, Peach. Anything else on your 2202 01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:57.600 mind you want to talk about before a wrap up? 2203 01:48:58.680 --> 01:49:00.920 I mean, not too much, man, Yeah, I just you know, 2204 01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:03.319 I would just like to see, Like I said, Man, 2205 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.079 I want to get excited about pro wrestling. Yeah, I 2206 01:49:06.439 --> 01:49:08.359 just feel right now we're in a bit of a 2207 01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:11.680 rut in the industry, uh, you know, and there's not 2208 01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:14.279 just there's just a lot not to not get excited about. 2209 01:49:14.279 --> 01:49:18.319 It's just kind of there, you know. And for just 2210 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:21.640 for me as a still active wrestler, you know, I 2211 01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:25.000 wish there was more. Unfortunately, I think we're in a 2212 01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:27.760 very telling age of where the business is going to 2213 01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:29.680 go in the next five years. I think we're going 2214 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:32.199 to kind of know if it's going to be you know, 2215 01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:36.439 a solely you know, solely a WWE entity as pro 2216 01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:39.239 wrestling or sports entertainment or if there's going to be 2217 01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:44.439 a healthy business of independent you know, places to work 2218 01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:47.319 and and you know, bring of honor and hopefully TNA 2219 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:49.800 and stuff. So it's h we're at the crossroads right now, 2220 01:49:49.840 --> 01:49:52.880 I think in this business, so h you know, and 2221 01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:57.319 and uh and otherwise, just to promote the stuff I'm doing, dude, I'm. 2222 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.600 Gonna be uh. Mypology is not getting that on the life. Tom. 2223 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:04.079 I don't bront I don't mind. You're my friend. I'm 2224 01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:06.159 going to be in your neck of the woods October 2225 01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:09.960 eleventh in Minneapolis. I'm doing one of the I don't 2226 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.159 know exactly we're gonna do it. I guess it's a 2227 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:16.640 zombie crawl. It's in conjunction with the AMC network, the 2228 01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:18.920 people that present The Walking Dead, that will be doing 2229 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:23.840 a taping of Billy Corgan's untitled wrestling project in Minneapolis 2230 01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:26.039 on October eleventh. I hope you come out and see me. 2231 01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:28.159 That day, wage I love to. That's great. 2232 01:50:28.640 --> 01:50:31.439 At least take me for lunch. God damn it. Yes, 2233 01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:34.479 just I'm just joking. But no, I'm doing that, and 2234 01:50:34.520 --> 01:50:38.520 I'm actually the funniest thing. I'm friends with a celebrity chef, 2235 01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:41.960 and I'm actually in the final stages of audition to 2236 01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:45.319 co host the Food Network show where me and the 2237 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:49.600 chef Plumb, who's a local celebrity chef in Connecticut, where 2238 01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:52.640 we get to travel the country and go to different 2239 01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:56.720 you know, fresh organic food places and try their foods 2240 01:50:56.720 --> 01:50:59.800 and act fools, and you know, hopefully I get that, 2241 01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:03.000 but it's in the works. And I'm you know, so 2242 01:51:03.039 --> 01:51:05.119 I've got a lot of stuff. I'm wrestling every weekend, 2243 01:51:05.199 --> 01:51:07.840 still still hitting the you know, hitting the road, hitting 2244 01:51:07.880 --> 01:51:10.920 every shore i can, and you know, and doing these things. 2245 01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:13.399 I'm part of the All Star Chanel, and uh, you know, 2246 01:51:13.479 --> 01:51:15.920 I'm still doing my pro wrestling one on ones as well. 2247 01:51:15.960 --> 01:51:18.239 Oh yeah, I have a whole whole season of one 2248 01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:20.960 on ones coming out. And that's it, man. You know, 2249 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:23.720 I'm just trying to stay busy and the keeping honest living, 2250 01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:25.000 my friends. 2251 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:26.720 Sounds like you are staying busy, and it is. It's 2252 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:29.760 great that there is work for you every week on 2253 01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:32.399 that indie scene and and we love having you on 2254 01:51:32.439 --> 01:51:34.720 the show, and the time flies by when you're on, 2255 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:37.800 and thank you so much. You've done so much and 2256 01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:39.600 been so many places. It's it's great that we can 2257 01:51:39.640 --> 01:51:42.279 talk about today's wrestling scene with you and have it 2258 01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:44.359 connect to different things, whether it was hanging out with 2259 01:51:44.399 --> 01:51:46.439 a click on long car rides, being part of Paul 2260 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:49.319 Hayman's production of promos, being part of the WWE locker 2261 01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:51.560 room during different eras and seeing changes in it, and 2262 01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:54.119 watching the product today, picking out you know, future stars. 2263 01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:55.880 It's it's it's great to be on and get your insight. 2264 01:51:56.239 --> 01:51:58.439 I'm just part of I'm happy to be part of 2265 01:51:58.479 --> 01:52:00.600 the Torch family with the All Star pace and just 2266 01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:03.399 doing these things with you. So I thank you guys. 2267 01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:06.359 You bet all right so well. 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We'll hopefully see you 2275 01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:29.079 October eleventh, which will be great, and hopefully we'll get 2276 01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:31.880 you back on the show again too, because it's great. 2277 01:52:31.960 --> 01:52:35.079 Like I said, having since you watch wrestling consistently but 2278 01:52:35.159 --> 01:52:36.840 have so much history in it, it's a great combination 2279 01:52:36.920 --> 01:52:38.600 for the style of show we do well. 2280 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:40.840 I enjoyed it always well. Thank you so much, Lad, 2281 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:41.880 I really appreciate it. 2282 01:52:42.039 --> 01:52:44.760 You bet all right. Until next time, be having just incredible. 2283 01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:46.520 This is Wade Keller signing off. 2284 01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:06.319 Invite you to email the show with feedback or questions 2285 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:10.800 or comments. 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