Speaker 1: Bitch and bitchin all right. So I've been whening wanting
to come to this book for a long time. Now
is the appropriate time. Now that we're beginning, we're beginning
to have a lot of fruitful conversations actually with traditional
Catholics and Thomas finally, so uh, multiple lengthy, fruitful conversations
today in the discord. So I'm glad for that, Glad
that we can have conversations on a friendly level without
getting too and even heated passion discussions without getting too
angry or whatever. As we get to the end of
tonight's talk, I'm going to open up the discord for
people who want to do Q and A. If you
want to come on audio wise and answer from the
from the discord, you can come on and ask questuestion
or I'll just read the questions from the discord, so
you don't have to come on if you don't want to.
But if you guys are in the discord and you
want to answer, ask questions towards the end, I'm going
to give priority to the supertat questions and so welcome
everybody to tonight's stream. So we're going to be talking
about the excellent whim help book that I've talked about
for a long time, John Courtney Murray, Time Life Magazine,
and the American Proposition. Now a little bit of background.
If you're a trad, as I was a trad for
many years, then you typically believe in the narrative that
something like this happened basically around the time of the Enlightenment.
After the Reformation, the ideals of the Protestant world of
the Enlightenment, Humanism essentially came to dominate and subvert principally
through a lot of secret societies and cults like Freemasonry.
So the trad narrative is that groups like Freemasonry subverted
the Church from within and you know, eventually got it
to accept the more and more liberal policies like under
the time of Pious the tenth modernism, hence provoking Pious
to write Pachndi, lamentabilei, these different documents that condemn the
presuppositions of modernism. And this Masonic subversion, however, was such
that by the time of Vatican Two it had gained sway. Right,
so pretty much gained sway, and then all the various
trads can debate to what degrees they believe Vatiican two
was or was not influenced by freemasonry and liberalism or
what Leo the thirteenth and his encyclical on Freemasonry calls
organized naturalism right human um janus, which is the encyclical
relating to the condemination of Freemasonry famously by Leo the thirteenth.
And now I've covered all that stuff for a long time,
but I'm just pointing this out that this is the
trad version, and I bought into this version for a
long time because it makes in a lot of ways,
it makes sense, and it's not all wrong. Right. By
the way, if you do want to ask super Chat questions,
you can ask them there through the stream labs to
support the show. But there are a couple of books
that came along. I mean, I was already kind of
out of orthodox out of Rumtossism into Orthodoxy when I
was beginning to lean away from this and I started
looking at more bigger geopolitical types of stuff. But along
came Michael Hoffman's book A Cult Renaissance Church of Rome
and David Wimhow's book, John Courtney, Mary Tomlap Magazine and
Proposition How this CIA's auctional warfare program changed the calogy church.
And basically this one gives the argument that it's not
really the fault solely of modern Judaism or Freemasonry, that
Trads are really deluding themselves because they're not being honest
with the Renaissance and medieval papacy, which had far more
power and influence during that time period than Jews did.
So really there's no one to blame other than the
papacy itself for the failure of Latin Catholicism. So I
think Hoffman sets out to show that thesis with the Renaissance, right,
So Hoffman doesn't deal with any of the issues of
the first thousand years of Christianity. He's not concerned with
the first millennium. He's not competent in that area. But
that's only part of the picture. Again, because it's not
just spiritual and ideological battles. This is a very autistic,
kind of idealistic young guy's approach to things, like I'll
read all the books and then I'll understand the pure
ideology that led to X y Z. Now there are
ideological trends that happen in history that lead to this.
In that event, Obviously humanism led to the Enlightenment. Right,
there's nothing out of a chord with that. Right. I've
argued for a long time that I think absolute divine
simplicity caused a lot of the problems in Western thought.
But there's other factors that come into play. And as
you get older, you know, you realize the history and
these kinds of things are more nuanced, and do you
get into geopolitics, And geopolitics is one of the big
factors that has a huge impact on these issues. Now,
I'm not gonna have a I'm not gonna be a
reductionist and smush everything into geopolitics. Right, I'm not gonna
smush everything into a battle of ideals like an idealist
would do. I'm not going to make it all a
conspiracy as a conspiracy theorist would do. So the important
point of this book is to stress that this is
not a conspiracy text. This is a scholarly text written
by a Catholic lawyer himself, a person in communion with
as far as I know, Francis David Wimhoff is a.
Speaker 2: Normal track quote unquot quote, normal trad Catholic who affirms
the authority and accepts Vatican two and the popes, but
admits at the same time that they were subverted.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think that that's a tenable position. Obviously
I'm Orthodox, but that's not really what we're going to
be looking at today. This is not a talk about
whether Vatican want and Vatican two are consistent. We're going
to be talking about the We will get into some
theology because it comes into play in the book, but
this is a geopolitical analysis of the force and factors
involved in Vatican Two. And another reason we want to
look at this angle is that one of the common
refrains that's more of one of the more low IQ
responses to Orthodoxy is Haha, you guys are the Church
of Cicero Papisms at Constantinople because of you had an
imperial church and you couldn't you couldn't fight the Saracens
and so forth with all this nonsense. Right, because when
Roman Catholics are said to be dealing with problems, right
if if we talk about the pedo crisis in the
Roman Catholic Church, Oh, we have the Pedo Cristis because
we're the true church. Oh really, But when it's our
church that has problems. If we collapse in Byzantium, it's
because of our sins. You see that the the moving
the goalposts there the special pleading. So the problems in
the Church can just be read and reinterpret into whatever
you want them to be. Now, these are kind of
low IQ arguments that dumber people make, but they do
come up a lot. And what we're going to easily,
very quickly see is that, as we saw in the
talk with Snack on the Franks, the entity of the
Vatican as an entity of geopolitics and thus paypalocesserism, as
I will call it, is just as much a problem
and just as much a reverse inverse problem as their
accusation of the Orthodox Church being cesero papist. This is
a demonstrable proof with eight hundred pages, eight hundred and
fifty pages and some thousand footnotes. So here's a lawyer,
you guys, love your papal lawyering, here's a lawyer in
the Catholic tradition, traditional Catholic arguing that essentially the Roman
Catholic Church a little bit prior to but mainly manifested
and Vatican two is an engine of Americanism in the Cia.
For the gold Worg. It's that simple. John Courtney Murray
being one of these key agents along with Ceed Jackson,
who came up with this doctrinal warfare program on the
part of the CIA. Henry Luce of Time Life Magazines
scolmbones who basically work together with his wife Claire Booth Luce,
a convert to Catholicism, to convince the American Catholics and
the problem speaking here of the prominent ones, to influence
people in the Vatican to accept a lot of the
American ideas Americanism. Now, what do we mean by Americanism.
We're talking about here the notions of Enlightenment philosophies right,
natural rights. Again, I'm gonna argue there is a connection
between the Tonistic doctrines of natural right and the American
Enlightenment doctrines of natural rights, the libertarian ethos and spirit,
the atomistic individualism, religious liberty, religious freedom, freedom of conscience,
freedom of worship, secularism, secular states, religious pluralism. These are
all fundamental components of America and Americanism. That whatever you
believe on those positions, maybe you agree with them, maybe
you reject them. The point here is just to analyze
the arguments that Weimhoff puts forth for how the Roman
Catholic Church was essentially subverted. Now look at these clowns
on YouTube, like Tim Flanders and Taylor Marshall. Taylor Marshall,
by the Taylor Milkers, by the way, who now says
he has visions of the church with big gazumbas literally
esquirting milk, and the milk is either pure, it's pure
and imperior at the same time. And he says Mary
gave him these visions and all this nonsense. Look at
the people that you're following, right, What does Flanders do?
He leaves Orthodoxy to convert to Catholicism. He goes on
Taylor Marshall talks about how dumb Orthodoxy is and gives
all these pre least based answers. And then his hero
Taylor is out here talking about how Rome Catholicism is
proven or his new sspxish position that he's got by
the Milker's vision that he got. I mean, I'm sorry,
but you guys follow that. That's on you. Look at
what you're following here. Ironically, Flanders just had wim Hof on.
I don't know how he thinks this helps his case.
This helps our case. So I don't know how you
were trying to spend that. Maybe he was doing a
little bit of let's maybe take some of this the
fire of this argument away from Jay maybe and show that, Well,
you don't have to, you know, you can read my
mouse's book and you know still accept Vatican two. Just
interpret it in the conservative way. Really, really, how do
you interpret nostra atate in union with Cantate Domino? Yeah,
that doesn't work. How is religious liberty of heresy? And
then within sixty years it's the work of the spirit.
Yeah exactly. But so what wem Off is going to
do here in his excellent book. And by the way,
the link to the book is in the show description.
If you want to get the book, there is the
link to it is I think about fifty bucks because
it's a big, fat hardback book. But get it from
this link because I will get a cut if you
get it from that link. Wemoff begins by talking about
Thomas Paine. Now, if we think about finding founding idea
logues of America, right, we think of Jefferson. We think
of Jefferson borrowing from John Locke. We think of Locke's empiricism.
We think of, you know, utilitarianism. We think of common
sense philosophy Thomas Pain common sense. If I'm not in
I think Thomas Paine's books used to have a squaring
compass on the front of the books. I'm pretty sure
I've read that. But regardless, the philosophy of Thomas Pain
in common sense is completely empathetical to what is supposed
to be traditional Catholicism. Now again, we're not here to
talk about the traditional Orthodox position on church state relations.
I did a whole talk, three hour talk on that.
Go listen to that. Today we're just going to be
looking at pre Vatican two and post Vatican two Catholic
teaching on the role of church and state and the
forces with in the US, the geopolitical forces during especially
during the Cold War, they were able to utilize the
Romancolic Church as an instrument of Americanism. Now I'm not
saying that that means that the West was the bad
guy in the Cold War and that therefore now Sovietism
and Communism are the good guys. Okay, so again, do
not stop accusing me of this stupid dialectic where people say, oh,
you are a KGB Dougenist. We're going to cover all
of that and show how silly that is today with
Wimhoff's book. Now after after he talks about the essential
argument of Thomas Paine that government is secular. The American
ideologically must universally apply than this secular argument to give
birth to a new world. So Wemhoff is correctly arguing
that within the assumptions of the American liberal ideology, it
of necessity has the impetus to universalize calin Yes, the
rest of the world with its liberal ideology, it's inherent
in the system now at the top. So back in
the eighteen hundreds, this is this is funny. There were
still a lot of Roman Catholic traditional mindsets that critiqued
this Enlightenment ideology, even of Americanism in the eighteen hundreds,
even though there were already Americanists Roman Catholics like the
Carroll family who signed on to you know, basically America's founding,
even though they accepted religious liberty in these principles, there
were Catholics like Bishop Joseph Fessler eighteen thirteen to eighteen
seventy two, Secretary of addisovatican I, that called this secular
Enlightenment American principle heathen Caesarism. So remember that's heathen Caesarism
according to one of the presiding Bishops of Vatican I.
So he goes on to talk about what would be
the means by which the American ideology would from the
late eighteen hundreds again birth out of the Enlightenment. It
would take a lot of time to suffuse the Catholic
world in the West with these Enlightenment principles. Ironically, ironically,
even though the Roman Catholic natural law principles themselves are
what give rise to this whole position. Now, Wimboff doesn't
believe that, because he is of course a faithful traditional Catholic.
But I will argue that I will argue in my
further analysis of the book that the only reason that
the Roman Catholic Church ends up in this this difficult
question between natural rights theology natural rights philosophy is because
of the dogmatic acceptance of tomistic philosophy and the whole
distinction between natural theology and revealed theology, which is again
not the orthodox position. The American ideology, he says, is
part of liberalism. It is the Anglo American liberal tradition
it is part and parcel of the enlightenment. Right now,
listen to this argumentation at the beginning. The capitalist spirit
seeks the reduction or elimination of hindrances to the spreading
of the capitalist spirit. That means that the reduction of
barriers to markets, the free flow of capital and commerce
must be maintained. That is the internal impathus of the system,
that is, the system furthering the system for its own
systemic goals. Those best situated to gain from the capitalist
spirit and to increase in society are the most powerful
individuals or groups in society. Given these financial powers and
interest of the finalinancial interest comes to dominate in this system,
and therefore it has the impetus to extend this system everywhere.
One of the barriers to this system is to eliminate
a state connected church. Church and state must be divided.
What does Constantine Pabianazza, the famous Russian statesman say, Remember
what he argues the very beginning the reflections of a
Russian statesman. What does he say? He says, if you
separate church and state, you don't actually get freedom, You
get a state that becomes the church. The state now
dictates what is the true religion, namely statism. But I
love the fact that at the beginning he noted the
he's mentioned a Catholic philosopher, an Italian statesman named Amintori
fan Fini Ami, Tony a cousin, third cousin of He's
a phase a cousin of Tonano. Okay, this is what
are you talking about? What are you talking about? You're
talking about Oh yeah, yeah. He argued that the society
necessitates the capitalist spirit spreading, since it is the essentially
the grounding principle of the society, and so therefore it
necessitates liberalism. So so you can't combine the older Catholic
ideas of monarchy or imperium only Roman Empire at the
same time as maintaining Enlightenment liberal ideology. They're two different.
They don't make sense together. Say now, I'm not saying
that there couldn't theoretically be systems where maybe there's a
monarchy where you have a free er market. I mean
perhaps in theory there are people who speculate on that
kind of thing with Kappa, but at least historically this
is this is a difficult oil and water to try
to mix together, because if you have a king or
a monarchy and a state. They typically want to limit
economic situations such as importation of goods so that it
doesn't wreck their economy, so that certain trades are not
destroyed by cheap goods. Right, So hence tariffs. Right. I'm
not saying that any of these system is ideal. I'm
just talking about the pros and the cons of different
types of systems that you that you go with here anyway,
moving on, Heat says in the in the beginning, he
lays out thet wem Hoff says, Look, if we want
to try to trace the intelligence apparatus influence the geopolitical
influence at Vatican two, contrary to the common narratives and
myths of trads, which myth itself is part of the
Cold War mythology. The idea that the Catholic Church has
to be an a bastion of Americanism to combat Sovietism,
that he argues, is part of the Cold War concocted
psychological warfare narrative. That is, the narrative and myth that
the trad swallows that he doesn't understand. So were there
subversive Masons and other groups, sure, of course, but that's
only part of the picture because there is a more
powerful group utilizing and steering the Roman Catholic Church into
being an engine of Americanism and the CIA doing this
especially during the Cold War. And guess what this explanation
lines up perfectly with explaining today's geopolitics. It's not any different.
Why do you think Ratzinger stepped down? Why do you
think Francis affirms all the globalist institutions and full on
globalism as even the most liberal Catholics admit. Because of
this explanation. Okay, if the tried narrative is true, are
you seriously going to try to argue to me that
that Francis is a KGB agent? Really? So Putin and
Francis are teamed up what to get Trump elected? So
now you believe the Democrat narrative in story, this is
the New York Times narrative stuff? Right? Is that what
you really come on? No, it's not the KGB that
co opted the papacy. That's the false tad narrative. The
CIA co opted the papacy. Hence why the papacy sided
with and did what the CIA wanted during the Cold
War under the auspices of fighting the Soviets and the Marxists.
But that came out of price, even though the Soviets
are bad guys, right, Absolutely, the Communists were evil. Absolutely,
they were doing horrible things to persecute the church, murdering
millions of Russian Christians and Orthodox martyrs and even Roman
Catholics being murdered and tortured. Absolutely, But that's not all
there is to the narrative or to this dialectical story,
and we can demonstrate it. That's the thing here. It's
no longer theorizing and conspiracy, theorizing about well, maybe there
was the ault of indeeda that took over. No, no, no,
we don't have to sphorize about that anymore because now
we know specifically who, when, where, and how the Church
was taken over and subverted to become an engine and
is still an engine of this power structure, the same
power structure, the Anglo American power structure. And guess who
David Wimhoff goes to first in his book the first chapters,
the Anglo American Establishment and their take the WASP Alliance America, England,
Israel taking over the Catholic Church. Where does wim Hoff
prove this tragy and hope. Carol Quigley, everything you've heard
me talk about. This is what broke me out of
my stupid trad mythology, beginning to read these books you see,
and realizing the trad story doesn't add up. I mean,
if the trad story was true when the wall fell
and when communism fell, we should have I've seen the
explosion right of trad Catholicism everywhere, wouldn't we have seen that?
But no, we get Western liberalism exploding everywhere. Exactly what
Quigley said was the whole goal. Right, tragedy is the
two world wars. Hope is the democratic capitalism, liberalism that
will be spread to the rest of the world. According
to Quigley, that's what the book. The title of the book,
writing from the CFR archives, writing from the Anglo American
establishment power structures archives. But what happens after the fall
of the wall liberalism? Today's Vatican is it trad? No?
Nobody will say this. Nobody in the world will say
today's Vatican is trad. So how did this happen? Putin Moscow? Really? No,
the same power structure that co opted the church in
the sixties, the CIA is still the same power structure
that can blackmail high powered clerics into resigning, aka everything
that came out during Benedict's resignation about how he had
better resign or there would be a lot more hell
to pay in his church. Now, that doesn't mean that
Rat Singer is some hero sat the bulldog of traditionalism.
Yeah right, give you break. I mean, have you read
his books, Like he denies the bodily resurrection. I mean,
this guy is total modernists. But he played the role well,
I guess, of a pseudo traditionalist. But even that was
not what the elite financial Rockefeller banking, Western Western elite
establishment wanted. But let's rewind before we get to that,
to setting the stage for how this occurred with the OSS.
The OSS is the predecessor nineteen forty one forty two.
The OSS comes into being in nineteen forty two. It's
the predecessor to the CIA. And he begins his book
talking about Henry Loose, Right, So a lot of the
people that would go into the CIA be important people
in media, advertising, mad men type stuff, Walter Lippmann, consulting,
consulting agencies. They were people in the OSS, right, And
that's where he begins his Treatise. March nineteen forty eight,
the American Century Right Time magazine puts out Henry Loose WASP,
pre eminent Wasp, pre eminent Skull and Bones member, WASP.
Henry Loose was American of American could trace his lineage
back to the American Revolution. He invented the news magazine
with With founding Time Magazine with the mentoring of OSS
agent Walter Lippmann, Luce put into practice the emerging science
of psychological manipulation. They had learned these techniques from their
wartime experience that they took from psychological warfare and put
into mass media and advertising. How many times have you
heard me say this? Countless throughout Berne's and all the
global elite books that we've done. With his magazine, Loose
would come to be one of the most powerful influential
William Hurst Right, it's like the hearst right, So you
go watch Citizen Kane type of guy right, and his
goal would be to essentially be an evangelist of the
American ideology. By nineteen forty one, Americans had a motive,
opportunity and means to go global with the American revolution,
utionary ideology and project right. FDR gave his famous four
freedom speech, the four Freedoms, meaning the ideology that must
be extended to the rest of the world, the American goals,
the American ideology, freedom of speech, for all this kind
of stuff. Right to do this, it was necessary for
Americanism to go global, to create the American Century and
defeat the fascists. Okay, so Mushlini, Germany, Japan, they got
to go because they represent the counter doctrines to American liberalism,
the nineteen forty one for freedom speech. This is also
exactly consistent with what Quigley says when Quigley says that
it was the CFR who made the decision to move
the US from being a production based economy and a
non interventionist type of state to expansion into imperial imperial
colony type set up and interventionism, foreign wars and entanglements,
and America moving away from production economy to a kind
of central of the center of the global empire colonial
center model, imperial colonial center model. And that was the
CFR that made the decision to move America in that way.
And of course the world wars, according to Quickley, were
a big part of being able to do that. So
America then stood for freedom, material prosperity, and happiness, the
happy meal principle, soviets. Then in this story, this narrative
reflected tyranny, materialism, and the collapsing of the individual. So
that's what follows this World War two era. And this
was what was used as part of the propaganda to
get the US into World War two again read quickly,
was that the four freedoms have got to We gotta
fight the war for the freedom across the globe, right
because how else will everybody have the right to put
pep and poo poo. You see, we gotta spread freedom
to the rest of the globe. So World War two
sets the stage for the for freedoms. And then what
follows World War two, as we all know, world War three,
aka the Cold War. So the Cold War becomes again
the narrative of spreading the American Democratic Enlightenment freedoms against tyranny,
collective materialism, and the smothering of the individual in the
religious sphere. And by the way, remember that we saw
this in many of the global elites that we read.
We saw it in I think it's the beginning of
between two ages Brazinski says, we've got to energize and
utilize the institution of the Catholic Church. It's an already
awesomely existing international institution that we can marshal into being
a propaganda outlet for Americanism. This is the missing element
in a lot of the trad narratives and explanations of
Vatican Two. Not all of them, some of them have
grasped this. So launch hurts grasped us, to be fair,
but they missed that Vatican Two wasn't just a subverting
of the papacy or whatever. Vatican two was a turning
of the papacy into an engine of Americanism. That's the
whole plan here. It's not a conspiracy plot. It's an
open plot. They openly said, let's do this. They didn't
high we get a hide and secretly figure out how
to use freemasons to do No, no, no. They openly said,
the Recallolic Church needs to be an international evangelizing institution
for Americanism. So then he goes on to talk about
the important characters here. Claire Booth Luce, who was also
a spy. Claire Brokaw became Henry Luce's second wife, she
converted to Catholicism in nineteen forty six as a congresswoman.
Now this is where she began her dialogues and interactions
with Fulton Sheen. Right, she credited Fulton Sheen with her
conversion to Catholicism, and this immediately began a debate and
a dialogue on the issue of religious liberty and disestablishmentarianism. Right,
because if her wife is the preeminent WASP americanist and
she's going to convert to Catholicism supposedly under the influence
of Fulton Sheen. Remember when trads were making fun of me,
they made the meme which I think the meme is
funny about Fulton Sheen essentially promoting and propping up the
CIA narrative but basically being a kind of a CIA
asset if he wasn't full on in the CIA. Well,
where do you think I got it? You think it's
made that up? I'm getting it from wim Hoff talking
about the letters that he exchanged back and forth between
Claire Booth Luce. They have letters that they wrote back
and forth. Go read them. But what Claire came to
understand in these dialogues was that it's inherent in the
nature of America to be inescapably pragmatic. However, she thought,
I do believe that Roman Catholicism is the one true faith.
But she was intent upon somehow making these to mash together.
Years after World War Two had passed, the bishops deferred
to the theologians at the time of Attican two, who,
like John Courtney Murray, supported the American ideology and all
that came along with it. But how can the American
ideology be blended based on pragmatism with a faith that
is supernatural and based on metaphysics and metaphysical realities. Of course,
the next character would be John Courtney Murray, the famous Jesuit,
who was a rabbit ecumenist, one of the first inter
religious proponents of ecumans. So we're expanding not just to
older ecumenism, which in Mortolium animos is condemned as a
possy between even Christian sects. Now we're extending it to
inter faith gatherings. So Murray would have interreligious ecumenist gatherings
with other religions no longer. Just now where would he
come up? Oh, because Jesuitism makes perfect sense with them.
The Jesuit and culturation doctrine has always been doing this
kind of stuff as a tool to bring anything in
anyone back under the umbrella of the papacy. Regardless of
whatever you believe. Just believe the papacy. And to prove that,
just look at the Uniates. The Unionates have for century
centuries been brought back into communion with Rome. They don't
even care what theology you believe. You can reject Trent,
you can reject Vatican One, you can reject Purgatory, you
can believe that Palamas is a doctor of the Church,
or you don't have to. It doesn't matter. Just accept
the papacy. And that's why the Jesuits were so useful
as papal evangelizers. The next character would be CD Jackson
of the CIA, and CD eight Jackson is who will
oss but he would come up with the program of
the doctrinal Warfare project. So you've got your intelligence guy.
CD Jackson, psychological warfare proponent expert. He works with John
Courtney Murray, the famous American Jesuit, and they're in line
with Loose, Henry and Claire to promote the wasp Protestant
Americanist doctrine. Now through with the Catholic Church. Now, there
was a lot of reaction by Catholics again, not just
at least in the fifties and forties, but going back
for decades, papal and cyclicals over and over and over,
rejecting liberalism, rejecting this, rejecting that, rejecting ideas. Monseigneur Fenton
wrote that Pious the ninth had condemned infallibly all of
the liberal presuppositions and the liberalism of Europe. With the
passage of time, however, and loosest continuing emphasis on the
topic of church state relations. In his flagship magazine Time Magazine,
Monseigneur Fenton explains that Leo the Thirteenth's writings are completely
applicable to America. Yes, have you read Leo the thirteenth
where he says that freemasonry is organized naturalism, and the
ideas of organized naturalism, like freedom of worship, religious liberty,
secular state, They're all condemned. However, world War II had
recently ended and the Americans could declare themselves to the
clear victors. American propaganda then and psychological operations that were
now being felt after World War II around the world.
America increasingly appeared then as the what the last great
hope for humanity after two World Wars? The tragedy of
two World Wars, and the hope of Americanism being extended
to the whole world. This is this is, I mean,
the whole book is just mind blowing. But so get this.
At the third Annual it's some acumenical meeting that was
ctssay that had John Courtney Murray there. At the end
of June nineteen forty eight, John Courtney Murray presented a
paper called the Government Repression of Heresy. Oddly enough, Connall
car Connall presented Murray's paper because, oh, somebody represented him.
A person named Connell presented John Courtney Murray's paper because
John Courtney Murray had become ill. The paper set out
Murray's position that church and state and religious liberty are
now necessary. Notice the fluidity of run Catholicism. Right, So
what can be dogma? And Harris, what can be dogmatic?
Infallibly claimed heresy merely fifty years before, religious liberty is
now the work of the Holy Spirit. Notice the flip flop,
Notice the ever changing sands upon which it's built. It
remained so during the course of the dispute Fenton, Murray
and others leading with the promulgation. Oh wait, I'm sorry,
Monseigneor Clifford Fenton. Excuse me? Was the editor. I'm getting
that this is the wrong Fenton here. Excuse me. This
is a liberal guy, so I read that wrong. This
liberal guy, Monseigneur Clifford Fenton is one of the key
proponents of Americanism. So he was at this ecumenical meeting
with John Courtney Murray, whoever Connell is in Monseigneur Fenton.
So they were the leading proponents that Vatican two needed
to accept a document called Dignitatis Humane. The essence of
Murray's position was that the state need only base any
of its actions on natural law. This was the view
that Murray first articulated in this intercredal discussion, but in
that discussion he at least recognized that there was some
pre eminence to divine positive law. To Murray, however, the
American system of church and state in the American religious
liberty were thus now completely melding and consistent with natural
law as it ensured societal peace and the acceptance of
Catholic doctrine as one of the many right, So as
long as you just have an acceptance of natural Now
do you see the problem here with divorcing any area
of life from revealed theology? Right? What is the What
does Losky say? What does stan ELOI say? What does
Maximus say? For us? Nature itself reveals Christ? Right, there's
no strictly speaking natural theology. If you read Saint Justin
Papash's famous essay The Knowledge of God, the whole treatise
is an essay against natural theology. We don't do that
because there's no area of life. There's no reasoning of
man that's autonomous or operates on its own without being
grounded in its logie or divine revelation. So there's no
such thing as natural theology. There's no such thing as
natural law that functions apart from Christ or the Trinity.
Gunshots going off, Maybe it's fireworks anyway. In reality, John
Courtney Mury's paper was a refutation of the Catholic doctrine,
which Monseigneur John Ryan explained twenty five years earlier. Right, So,
Monseigneur John Ryan, even twenty five years earlier, was noting
that religious liberty and the desacralization of the state is heresy.
Within twenty five years, something goes from being heretical and
normatively understood it's heretical. And I can give you a
whole list of encyclicals prior to the twentieth century condemning
the idea that the state can be secular and should
be separated from the Church and its positive divine law.
So all Murray did was basically give Americanism and give
one little clause about but there's still divine positive law. Yeah,
this is the trick that they always do. All of
Vatican two is premised on this ambiguity. To read it
however you want. However, only twenty five well, actually a
couple decades earlier to this, the Feast of Christ the
King had been instituted. Do you know why the Pope
thirty or so years prior to this institute of the
feasts of Christ the King to combat the idea that
the state was secular. You have a whole feast enacted
by the Pope, Feasts of Christ the King, and I
think even the Vatican two people still celebrate this feast.
It's like you have a whole council that rejects this.
The council says that the Spirit is leading us to
accept religious liberty. We even now believe that Hindus love
God in their own way. But you still celebrate the
feasts of Christ the King, which was instituted to refute
the heresy of religious liberty and a secular state. Okay, yeah, nice. Try.
One of the key institutions that would be created to
help promote this and this story is Union Theological Seminary.
Who created Union Theological Seminary. The Rockefellers, the rock Fillers
created Union Theological Seminary as an engine of American ideology.
Henry both Henry Luce was a trustee on the Rockefeller's
board of Union Theological Seminary. Now he could decide and
they could decide who would qualify to be a minister
in the Protestant world. The Union Theological Seminary WASP central
making everybody accept in the Protestant world all this stuff.
And guess what, all of the Catholic institutions then accept
the higher criticism of all the wasp crowd, the wasp
higher critical textual studies. So it's the same error as
the same ideology being foisted to do what well, if
you know about the the social Gospel right, social gospel
is all it's Marxist. Well, there's Marxist elements to the
social Gospel, but the social Gospel is actually foisted by
people like the rock Fillers intentionally because it would it's all.
There's a whole chapter in the rock Fells biography on
the social Gospel and how they wanted to transform Christianity
into an engine that could work with the American ideology pragmatism, capitalism, liberalism,
they all go together. While at Hint, While at Union
Feel Logical Seminary, there were a series of articles written.
Murray was presented as defending the Catholic position in exchange
of articles with Dean Walter Russell Bowie of Union Theological
Seminary when Henry LEAs was trustee. It was a stage
fight that was designed to advance the American agenda of
elevating the American idea of social organization. The context of
all these articles was the new red Scare. Who's behind
the red Scare? A bunch of clowns, American liberals, wasps
and liberal Jesuits. So guess what. The red scare is
exaggerated and it's a myth. Now, I'm not saying that
there weren't evil Soviets. There are. But what he's beginning
to point out is that the first inklings of the
coming Cold War gibberish is coming out of these nineteen
forty nine articles where John Courtney Murray is engaging with
leading Protestant scholars, and the Protestant scholars are out of
Union Theological Seminary, Time Life Magazine, Rockefeller stuff, and there're
bff with John Courtney Murray and the Jesuits. Now, this
is gonna get even crazier. You think I'm talking about
interesting things now, bro, you don't even know where this
is going. We're gonna go into straight up trip and acid. Yes,
John Courtney Murray will straight up go trip acid. There
will be a direct connection between Jesuits and MK ultra.
It's not a lame. There are a lot of Tards's
a lot of slow boys on the internet who go
wild with Jesuit stuff. But it's not all wrong. John
Courtney Murray will be intimately connected to CIA. He's one
of the first people to trip acid. Did you know
that is that jesuit? Yes, not hippies carry grant Alis Huxley.
John Courtney Murray, the Jesuit JFK. They all tripped acid
way before any of the dumb hippies did. But nobody
knows that. Nobody tells you that. Well, if you had
read Esselter harry Wood, Hollywood, Harrywood, Esylteric Harrywood. That sounds Freudian,
din't it. If you had read Esleter Hollywood, you would
know that because I talked about it. Anyway, the period
of nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty two is when this
really kicks off the battle between faithful Catholics. And here
we're talking about traditionally minded Catholics versus Americanists. Right. This
is the John Courtney Murray Wasp crew. By the way,
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your super chats via stream labs anyway, So he goes
on to talk about the So the leading americanists were
Gustav Weigel, the Jesuit, all the writers at American magazine,
and then he lets Spanish Jesuits who saw the Americans
were seeking to canonize a political philosophy Spanish Jesuits. Some
of the Spanish Jesuits took issue with this. The struggle
begins to take place in Catholic journal journals, American media,
and periodicals. The debate becomes whether natural law could function
alone as the basis for the state. Now. Ultimately, what
happens is that the proponents of this Jesuit liberal Jesuit
type position end up having to essentially adopt Anglo American liberalism,
and the natural law theory that they promote is the
natural law theory of the Enlightenment. He even mentions Christ
the King the feast, whether or not you had to
whether or not Christ was lord of the social sphere. Obviously,
if you have this autonomous position of natural law and
natural law theory, it consistently leads to the position that no,
there is an area, namely natural law, that is not
necessary to be informed by divine positive law. So ironically
they're both wrong and they're both right. That's the thing
that Weimholf doesn't get, because all the French revolutionary people
are doing is being consistent with what I just told
you a couple of nights ago in rejecting the parapatetic axiom.
What's the parapateetic axiom of Aristotle and Aquinas? There's nothing
in the intellect that's not first in the senses. This
is the whole basis of natural law, theory of natural rights,
and natural theology, right, And all you have to do
is go read David Hume, who says, on that basis,
you don't actually know causation, you don't actually know teleology,
you don't actually know anything metaphysical, because none of that
is actually in your sense data. It's all interpreted, interpreted
and assumed. Right, And so if God is not an
object of sense data, then you never know God. So
the atheist Enlightenment Humian people are more consistent with the
peripatetic axiom than Aquinas and Aerosol are. So here what
I see is two proponents of autonomous man fighting it out.
On the one hand, more consistent liberals Hume and its
Enlightenment people represented by Jesuits and Americanists and traditional Catholics
who are inconsistent in accepting the peripatetic axiom and tunism
and at the same time trying to defend the fact
that the state has to be quote Catholic. That's why,
that's why this is actually a longer debate. Did you
know that Bellarman has a whole treatise too. Bellarman has
a whole argument about political philosophy and religious freedm Why
has this been a debate Because both of these sides
are trying to make sense of natural law theory. Guess
what that is the problem? Natural law theory is the
issue McCurry says, for five dollars was what do you
think I mean by wasp, white Anglo Saxon Protestant right
the oss the CIA were dominated by Wasps, Rockefellers, JP, Morgan, Carnegie,
zillionaire WASP families, white Anglo Saxon Protestants. What do you
think their ideology was? Americanism, religious liberty, Protestantism, not classical Protestantism,
not reformed traditional reform Christianity, liberalized Protestantism, social gospel. Thus
it became necessary. This is great. Listen to this. John
Courtney Murray was not only able to understand the important
aspects of psychological warfare. Catholic professor and scion of a
wealthy family, Edward P. Lilley designed and implemented a doctrinal
or ideological warfare program. He directed and coordinated his plans
to utilize and infiltrate Did you hear me? John Courtney
Murray was not the only one to see the value
in using religions. Catholic professor and wealthy family elite magnate
Edward P. Lilly designed and implemented the doctrinal ideological warfare program.
It'll be CD Jackson who implements it right, So I'm
not contradicting myself. I'm just pointing out that the guy
who cooked it up was Edward P. Lilly. He said,
we can infiltrate Christianity, the various forms Hinduism, Buddhism, and
Islam to further the message that America is the good
and consistent principle by which all the world should be organized,
even the religions should subordinate to Americanism. In further plan,
the government utilized the Perennial American approach of emphasizing practicalism, pragmatism,
practicality over principle or metaphysic. Catholic priests were thus important
assistants now to the US government in making this happen globally.
Now let me hear you trads. Now, let's hear the
trads bitch about Cicero papism. Your whole church is a
CIA propaganda outlet, admitted by your own trads. All of
this had great sick significance for Catholicism. The American Principles
and Enlightenment now inflamed Americanism through their efforts efforts of
re engineering societies, primarily by elevating America and Americanism to
the ideal now in the minds of the whole world.
Americanism was given a boost now via Catholics in Europe,
and that affected prelates who would be present in Rome.
Wallace Irvin Junior, an advisor to the Psychological Strategy Board
of the US government, was responsible for coordinating psychological operations
and doctrinal warfare operations, and explained the significant and important
aspect of this phenomena. He wrote, the traditional cultural links
of Latin America have been with Continental Europe, that is France, Germany,
Spain and Italy now much more than the now. Once
when Paris fell in nineteen forty, the people of Buenos
Areas wept in the streets. Thus, in cultural as well
as in economic and social factors, a new orientation will
be developed. The US Americanism. Now Latin America is not
a primarily European connected entity, comes an Americanist entity. When
European Catholics, especially French, Germans and Belgium's, went Americanist, then
the Third World went Americanist, and this was especially true
in the case of the Catholic Church. Next he moves
on to talk about other instances of meetings. Now get this.
Now we're going to have some of the CIA level stuff.
Step in nineteen fifty three was an important year for
Henry Luce and Time magazine. Claire booth Loose became an
ambassador to Italy, and this put the Louses in close
contact with the Pope, the center of the Catholic Church.
This also was an important year for the church and
state for the issue of religious liberty. Cardinal Otaviani gave
a talk in March in which he stated the Catholic
position This greatly distressed and angered a lot of the
proponents of Americanism. In December, Papias the twelfth issued Shay
Rescue Shay RIESI, which the Americans and Americanists both claim
to support. So the Pope tries to have this mediating
position as always, and both sides tried to claim it
supported them, so throwing a bone to both sides, the
classic papal bureaucratic move. These two talks revealed a dynamic
that was already extant in the Church. The dynamic was
that there was becoming a clear division between liberal Enlightenment
ideology in the Catholic Church and the traditional position. John
Courtney Murray, he says, was the leading proponent of this
Americanist idea. He was accompanied by a fellow Jesuit named
Robert Lieber. Lieber was the Pope's confidant and a strong
supporter of John Courtney Murray's efforts. This was no surprise,
give that liber was both a Jesuit and an intelligence
asset for America. Liber had been a source of intelligence
during World War Two and remained so in the Cold War.
To this day, the CIA has not released the records
on Jesuit libre shocker. Now, obviously this is the case.
Jesuit institutions are still connected to the CIA. That's why
they promote Americanism, That's why they were behind the whole
thing in Ukraine, the Fordham Jesuit Fordamites, Jesuit CIA Ukraine.
It's not rocket science. CIA and Time Magazine then had
a cozy ongoing relationship. CD Jackson and Klaus Dorn exemplify
that relationship. Jackson had long worked with the intelligence, the
US intelligence community its highest level. Klaus Dorn gathered intelligence
on a number of events and maintained contacts with prominent
and influential people in Europe. So here you have high
level CIA people directly working with Time Magazine and now
directly coordinating with the Vatican via Claire booth Loose as
ambassador to Italy. Now we get the thesis of the
whole thing. What's the whole plan here? Well, I already
said it, but it appears that CD Jackson and Klaus
Dorn had now gained contacts within the Vatican itself, which
provided them with vital information on the personalities, prelates and
events that afflicted the Pope and the catholc Church's hierarchy.
So here's the crux of the whole book right here,
here's the whole thesis, the American Proposition. Nineteen fifty three
is the key year where they set this forward. It
was in Rome that Henry Luce interjected the American Opposition,
a doctrinal weapon that he developed along with John Courtney
Murray from the Lily Dude right by which they would
inject into the Caloch Church the doctrine of Americanism into
the veins of the Caloch Church. This was done November
twenty nine, nineteen fifty three, in Rome at the Prodeo University,
an institution started by Dominican Felix Morleone, who received back
in support from American elites and the CIA. The Prodeo
Institution was thus a CIA front and cut out that
taught young Catholics, especially those in business, primarily from Latin countries,
the society should be organized along the lines of Americanist principles.
Prodeo thus first taught the Americanists proposition to its students,
and they in turn went throughout the world spreading the
Americanist ideals. All of this occurred with approval of the
cal Church. The American Prelates certainly approved a pro day,
as did the Dominican Order and Monsignor Giovanni Montini, later
known as Paul the sixth. So much for the trad
commy mythology. That just blew the trad communist mythology out
of the water. Paul the six secret communist the Marxists
AA one O two five AA one O two five
is low level, low IQ propaganda concocted by these people.
I think Wemhoff even mentions AA one O two five.
By the way, remember when we did the analysis of
Malachai Martin's book, What did we find there? Oh? Oh,
Malachai Martin just happens to line up in doing the
very thing that wem Hoff calls out. Yes, Keys of
this blood just happens to be perfect Cold war propaganda
to feed to trads, all right. So he's moving like
very slowly in these sections with these different people. Henry
Luce had for a long time desired to create something
called the World Economic Plan or web WAP. I'm joking, WEP,
you like my web my World Economic Plan? And basically
this was a new way to spread American liberalism to
the rest of the world. There is a rot. This
is Weimhoff's argument a rot begins to appear in the
Church Nineteeneen fifty three to fifty six. Many support it
and approve of Walter Lippmann's public philosophy, which was devoid
of any notion of Christ and Christianity, but was assisted
by the Rockefeller Organization in their efforts at discerning a
new national purpose. Most importantly, Lippmann stood with Henry Luce
and the Rockefellers in a generic religious movement that would
be where they would prop up Charles Wesley Lowery's Frasco FRASCO.
I don't know what FRASCO is, but some kind of
non denominational, inter ecumenical thing. FRASCO is a willing supporter
of the US government's efforts abroad, especially in the ideological
area of ideological warfare and co opting religions. So notice
what we see here. Cut out organizations now utilize religions
for the ends of the state. What state, the American ideology,
the American project, the American century, the American proposition. The
reason for this urgency of action now led to other groups.
The National Organization for Decent Literature became part of this
entity to the promoting of Americanism within the Catholic Church.
The urgency of action was needed. Why, because of Communism
the rids right. The way to victory and prosperity was
a moral way that elevated the faith of America and
the American form of government over all others. In other words,
if you joined the anti criminist crusade, you could have
a good life. If you did not, bad things would
happen to you. Luce and Murray organized this as a propaganda,
psychological warfare outfit. This is a concocted thing. It's not real,
it's not true. That doesn't mean that the Soviets and
Communism are good guys anymore than I don't know. Is
Saddam Hussein a good guy because we attacked him? No,
Saddam Hussein was a CIA asset, trained by the CIA,
did black ops for the CIA, installed as a Western puppet,
and then they got rid of him. Does that make
him a good guy because he's against us and we're
about No. Of course I stopped thinking in such simplistic
ways already by this time. Bye. By nineteen fifty six,
Monseigneur Fenton found that or whoever this is, I guess
he means the same Fenton from before. Fenton found that
many of the church's prelates were no longer serious about
the belief of the mission of the Church herself. Now
enters the Rockefellers. The Americanists sense an opportunity, an open
window nineteen fifty six to fifty nine. President Eisenhower in
nineteen fifty seven gives his inaugural address the Americans experiment
has for generations fired the passion and courage of millions
seeking freedom, equality and opportunity. Right, so he reinvigorates this mythology.
Like minded Americans then associated freedom with materialism. The American
system of social organization, with its economics, is now identical
to freedom and material prosperity. This was a great work
of political psychological warfare. The Rockefellers did their part in
devising and advancing an idyllic image of America through the
panel work of the Rockefeller Foundation Rockefeller Brothers Fund. Murray
made a presentation in which he explained the American consensus.
At the heart of the American proposition was the liberal
tradition of the Enlightenment. Not that hard. Okay, it's not
rocket science that we're doing here. Okay, we can't mix
oil and water? Is the point, Trads, Do you hear me?
Fenton saw that materialism was gradually strangling the desire for
truth and the willingness for those to suffer for truth.
The church leadership was ossifying, while the younger Catholics were
more tolerant of error. Fenton was not deterred, however, and
wrote to define the enemy, therefore hoping to bring them
into the fold and better defeat them. Fenton described the
view of many Americans, including Americans founders. The Founders were
eminently practical men intent on creating a commercial society. They
held that every religion was good if they had a
standard of conduct that could be conducive to business, business church.
The enemy was liberalism, But unfortunately Fenton could not bring
himself to see that the American idea is liberalism, as
John Courtney Murray had openly stated to the Rockefellers at
the height of the Cold War during nineteen sixty presidential election.
While the Catholic Church rated itself for Vatican two, the
power Trio was threatened with dissolution. That bode ill for Murray,
who counted up the looses so much for his credibility
within church. Within the church who counted on excuse me,
the loses for credibility. The Loos's in turn held credibility
with Catholics, since Claire was now a Catholic, married to
a Presbyterian and friends with Fulton Sheen. Should that union dissolve,
then there would be a problem. Harry Claire and John
Courtney Murray thus stayed together due to the efforts of
Murray and guess what, LSD. Yes, you heard me right,
Let me reread that loose. Henry Claire Booth and John
Courtney Murray stayed together in intimate friendships due to the
efforts of John Courtney Murray an LSD. The LSD came
into their lives through one gerald Heard, one of the
most influential men of the twentieth century in terms of culture.
Gerald Heard focused modern man on himself and espouse the
idea that the business man is the guru or ultimate
authority in modern life. Talk about business church. This is
like Don Draper par excellence. Right. He goes off to
Esslon right at the end of The Madmen. The cultural
philosophy was perfect for advancing the American proposition. So here's
your lens trads. Here's who you're having to defend, Jesuits,
tripping balls with the founder of Time magazine and his
so called Catholic wife. Now here's where things get more interesting.
Unconditional surrender. This is wim Hoff's analysis, is that by
nineteen sixty the trads had lost. It was over. Dude,
give it up. You're not going to reform the Catholic
Church because they're going to dogmatize Vatican two. Give it up.
The liberals have won. They have now promoted the liberal
ideology in the Catholic Church. It's a secular state. Now,
don't try to bring Catholic monarchies and Christian states into
the picture anymore. That will no longer be countenanced. And
anybody who's deluded, excuse me, but John Paul, the second
Rat singer, and I think for insis, they have participated
in the decatholicization of multiple European states. I'm saying literally
advising that the state give up its Catholic state status.
Nineteen sixties are crucial because under all of this pressure, money,
WASP Foundation money, constant boom boom boom media, all this
dumb media everywhere, constant, they basically browbeat everybody into accepting
in the nineteen sixties a pledge. They literally sign a pledge.
I'm not joking, Okay, it's an actual thing. You must
sign on to this, sign on to this pledge. The
surrender came when the Catholic leadership in academia, in the press, theology, business,
and civic life signed a statement endorsing the American system
of church and state relation. This was accompanied by JFK's
speech at Houston and Jesuit Gustav Weigel's speech in nineteen
twenty seven, where he the Parrot let out the paradigm
by which Catholic politicians have acted ever since. The new paradigm,
according to Weigel, for Catholic politicians, would be in their
public life they would support all kinds of things like abration, prime,
who knows whatever else, But in their private lives they
would be Catholic. What was the price of this? Supposedly, now,
Weimoff makes the argument that Catholics wanted a seat at
the table, right, this is the Godfather argument. Supposedly, Oh,
Catholics just wanted a seat at the table with the
powerful wasps and all this kind of stuff. Really, that's
all that it was about. A seat at the table
to make money. No. Actually, if you read the argumentation
of the natural law proponents, they're actually more consistent because
natural law does not dictate that the state has any
inherent sacral property. The state has sacral property on the
basis of Genesis. And none of these dumb Jesuits believe
that Genesis teaches a creation story, do they No, of
course not. They all believe evolution. They've been the greatest
evangelizers of evolution for the last century. The only way
for the state to be seen as a religious institution
fundamentally is if you believe Genesis, that God instituted the
state and the death penalty to Noah, and that in
continuity with Genesis, the state under Israel is under God.
It's a sacral institution. And in continuity with the Byzantine model,
the state is under God as a sacral institution. We
have never given that up. We will never give up
the double headed eagle the Catholic position by accepting natural
law theory, letting that continue to erode away during the
Reformation counter Reformation, well Scholastic Reformation counter Reformation periods. Once
you have the natural law theory coming to pre Emini.
It's building your system on natural law. All you got
to do is go read David Him. David Him's more consistent.
So my point is that the Jesuits here are They're
obviously awful, But if you believe in natural law, why
would you not come to their conclusions. If I can
interpret the world without revelation, then I can erect a
state without revelation. I don't need divine law positive divine law,
but I can't. That's the point. You don't have the
ability to properly interpret the fallen world apart from revealed theology.
And that doesn't just apply to studying nature. It applies
to the role of church and state. Revelation dictates the
relationship of church and state, and millennia of Christianity have
already determined the relation of church and state, namely coronation ceremonies.
So all of this, in this nonsense of Jesuit Americanism,
it represents a forfeiting of the orthodox traditional Christian position.
So that's how I'm saying. In one sense, the trads
here are right, but in another sense they're also wrong,
and the Jesuits are right because they're trying to argue
everything on the same liberal grounds natural theology. So it's
just two idiot positions based on older liberalism arguing it out.
And I'm saying, yes, Enlightenment liberalism comes from the parapatetic axiom.
Whatever is not in the census is not in the intellect.
Anything in the intellect must first be in the census.
That's the whole Tomistic system is built on that. And
Rome adopted wholesale as it's official philosophy, the Tomistic system.
I don't mean wholesale as if they believe everything Thomas believe.
I know that they don't believe everything Thomas believe. But
the philosophy is classical foundationalism, which is based on the
peripatetic axiom. There's no disputing that. It's not in debate
now FDR, who does FDR serve as he's promoting all
this gibber jabber, He is a banking asset. There's no
bit debate about that. Go read what Kruh the chapter
in quickly about and quickly explains how the whole FDR
thing was just a decade long plus scam to centralize
the wealth for a while through the socialism projects, then
shift the country back over to privatization, let the wealth build,
then shift all that wealth over to a socializing system.
And it quickly says that all of this that the
debt that was racked up under the FDR socialization projects
was all owed to the international bankers. So it was
a huge scam, according to Quigley from the CFR archives,
not according to conspiracy theorists. According to Quigley, CIA Operative
and Time Magazine employee Klaus Dorn had stated that an
entire revolution had now occurred by Vatican two in the
Catholic Church. CIA Operative Klaus Dorn Time Magazine employee Klaus
Dorn wrote, a virtual revolution had now occurred in the
Catholic Church at the beginning of Vatican two. They knew
what they were doing. Paul Blanchard observed that Vatican two
was now the opportunity for the American ideology to re
engineer societies. I've read Paul Blincherd's whole analysis of Vatican Two.
That's exactly correct. Secon Vatican Council provided an opportunity for
Americanism to be harnessed, for the Catholic Church to be
a engine for Americanism, and for the world dominion, which
FDR had announced in modern times with this for freedom speech.
Now he had the perfect laboratory for creating this engine,
Vatican two. And what would this be? A revolution? For
a revolution for a quote freedom. As the Council started,
a media barrage would attack and follow every session of
Vatican Two. This is Paul Blancher commenting on it. This
was all by design. This did not slow down with
the American media, especially Henry Loose in Time Magazine, who
used every bit of print at his disposal to influence,
to write and promote the Americanist idea of Vatican Two.
He was involved in efforts to keep a number of
the dissident theologians in place. So even though some trads
tried to ban Hans kun and John Courtney Murray from
speaking at Catholic universities and the Catholic University of America,
Henry Lewis put every bit of influence and power behind
them coming to speak. Thus, Time Magazine continued to depict
the Catholic Church as an undergoing process institution, a perpetual
revolution institution. Even after John the twenty third had died.
John twenty third was praised as a revolutionary. Cardinal Taviani
and all those who stood by him were condemned as
reactionaries in Time magazine. So here's Henry Lew's Time magazine
saying John the twenty third was great because of his liberalism.
He initiated this great Council. Cardinal Otaviani is a reactionary
and a dry old rigorist who deserves to be condemned. However,
was generally viewed as positive by the Americanists, and he
succeeded John the twenty third. But in time, however, Americans
somewhat grew disenchanted with even Paul six. He wasn't liberal enough.
So eventually, however, the Americanists gained ground at the Council.
Their successors were not in the doctrinal area, but in
the presentation. Their successes, excuse me, were not necessarily doctrinal,
but in how the documents and dogmas were presented. This
was the pastoral arena. Monseigneur Fenton captures the dynamic of
Americanism at the Council. The statement of the Council is
not necessarily a theological textbook. Oh really. At the same time, however,
a declaration by a council can cause confusion or finally,
it can actually be harmful, even though there's no error
in the faith or in the morals of the documents themselves. However,
the statement passes over truths which are and which have
long been generally recognized as Catholic doctrine. So here's Monseigneur
Finton admitting that the Council is not stating things the
way that Catholic dogma had always stated it. Yeah, because
it's heretical, obviously, how can it be the case that
a secular state is apostasy twenty five years before a
Battican two in the fifties into the sixties, and then
in the time of the sixties, suddenly now religious liberty
is what the Holy Spirit wants. So Holy Spirit just
changes his mind over time. But yes, if you're a
Roman Catholic, there's countless examples where the Holy Spirit apparently
just directs the Pope to change his mind reverse the
decisions of his predecessors. No problem in terms of moving
the goalposts. They're experts at that. At Vatican Two, it
is in fact the US bishops who most strongly push
the declaration of religious Oh shocker there right, And you
can imagine who all the obvious players are it's all
the people we've heard of, all the famous periti of
Vatican two. Now they start to speak of a spirit
of Vatican two. The spirit of Vatican two is usually
at this point nineteen sixty four identified with religious liberty.
The Americans made their play for religious liberty in the
third session of the Council. John Courtney Murray laid out
the plan, wrote in Time magazine, and was promoted by
in America Cardinal Cushing. Get this, During the third session,
the famous phrase spirit of Vatican two was coined in
the pages of Time magazine. This phrase represents the efforts
to remake the Church in the image of America. This
is akin to the Spirit of seventeen seventy six. Literally,
the spirit of Attikan two is identified as the spirit
is said seventeen seventy six. It was time then for
the church to catch up to the modern world and
the principles of seventeen seventy six. Anyone at this time
that here's the trick. By the way, Anyone at this time,
he notes, who would begin to criticize Americanism was labeled
by the press as a communist sympathizer. Imagine that you
could be a monarchist criticizing this nonsense, and they're going
to call you a commie. I mean, people say this
to me, idiot trads online call me KGB as a monarchist.
What are you talking about? That makes no sense. But
they're just reacting under the old school low IQ propaganda
that their masters put into place at the time of
Vatican two, which was that anyone who questioned Vatican two
must be a commune. Why because Vatican two is promoting
the spirit of seventeen seventy six, obviously, and who would
be against seventy seventeen seventy six but an evil comedy.
You're either with USh or you're with a terish. Here,
either with USh or you're with the terish. Just the
stupidity of this, I mean, the level of understanding this
is literally the same as the level of thinking that
you're either with us or with the terrorists. I mean,
this is who runs the country. People like this right
at the political level. Eventually radicals came on board, amongst
the cardinals like Cardinal Bay, a ferocious proponent of capitalism
and its corollary ecumenism. Yescumenism is capitalism in the religious sphere.
Let's just shop amongst the ideologies for the ones that
you like. Over time, more and more of the so
called prelates caved in. Archbishop Kroll of Philadelphia made clear
and interviews given to the Camden Star Herald that he
was now prepared to accept it. The Declaration of Religious
Liberty Dignitatis humane. It was supposedly not a change in doctrine,
even though fifty years probably it was called apostasy and heresy.
It had been misinterpreted. You just have to interpret it
in the right way. So this fallback coping mechanism that
the trads all want to use. Oh, it's just a misinterpretation, yeah, right,
anybody that would go against this. American proponents and techniques
of psychological warfare had already determined that anyone who questioned
it could be castigated as a communist sympathizer, even if
they were monarchist or episcopate or members of the Episcopate,
they would be called red sympathizers for questioning Vatcum two.
This leads a certain point to chaos. Even within the Council.
There was a period of chaos. CD Jackson himself observed
that the use of epidid epidictic language. Apodictic I guess
from Aristotle language, and the council documents coupled the fuel
to the rise of a spirit of rebellion, which is
the spirit of seventeen seventy six, which is the spirit
of Vatican two. So CD Jackson explicitly says, yes, our
intention in this was to equate the spirit of Vatican
two with the spirit of American liberalism. Yes, it's not
rocket science we're doing here. It's not that hard to
figure out. Then he goes on to say, after Vatican Two,
the aftermath was that the Church descended to anarchy with
the close of the council. Well, that's not a true
council then, even on Roman Catholic grounds, David, I mean,
mister Wimhoff here, how can a dogmatic council cause the
church to be an anarchy? What does the octorum fide
condemnation of the Jansenists say? The Roman See cannot give
a bad right or discipline to the church. How much
more can she not give a false council or teaching
to the church To say that Vatican two is a
ecumenical council that causes the Church to go into anarchy
is to deny Vatican One. You're denying the universal ordinary
magisterial teaching of the Church according to Vatican One. By
saying that an a medical council can lead the Church
into chaos and anarchy, that's literally condemned. So give up
Rome Catholicism or say that Vatican two didn't lead the
Church into chaos and anarchy. I mean, I don't know how.
There's no way out of this problem. It's because it's
not true. Now we get the worship of freedom. Okay.
The aftermath of Vatican two is completely devastating, and within
four years of the council, all of the main players
and movers and these CIA operatives and Jesuits, they're all dead.
Gustav Weigeld, CD Jackson, Henry Leos, Francis Connell, John Courtney, Murray,
Colonel Spelman, Monseigneur Fenton, they're all dead. So the architects
of this nonsense they all die. Now we get sixties
counter culture. And if you've read Dave McGowan, if you
listen to the stuff we've talked to for the last
fricking ten years on my website, then you know that
the sixties counterculture was also CIA. Do you see that
it's not accidental the sixties counter culture with the CIA
promoting LSD and all the Laurel Canyon stupid bands. Right,
it's not accidental that the same CIA is giving LSD
to John Courtney Murray and promoting seventeen seventy six at
Vatican two. The CIA is doing both things, and they're connected.
If they got the Catholic Church to accept the principles
of Americanism and were given the leading Jesuits acid and
making them trip balls, then yes they had taken over.
The institution is forfeited. And you say, well, but they
didn't took over Rome. Yes they did. They took over
Rome because Rome confirmed all this. Okay, this is not
you can't get around on this. Oh this this is
all happening in America. There ain't happening in Rome. No,
Rome confirms the Americanism Abottican two. That's the point. All
this coping doesn't work. So now he's going to talk
about how long have I been going here? Oh we've
only been going an hour. Okay, so we're doing good.
Still got almost four hundred and sculling bones, Henry loose
wasp sculling bones H. Henry worked with Walter Lippmann. As
we said of the OSS sculling bones as a OSS
wasp entity created originally in this time period the forties,
would identify American gentry. So what it is to be
an American gentleman, the gentry of America, that equals the
Christian capitalist. Right, so the wealthy elite wasp capitalist is
identical to what it is to be a Christian gentleman. Now,
what happened was that a lot of the immigrants Catholic immigrants. Right,
there's still I'm not saying there were no wealthy Catholics.
There were some, but the leading institutions, given that America
was primarily a Protestant colony primarily founded by Protestants for
the most part, the old East Coast establishment, people at Yale, etc. Princeton,
all of these people, and especially Yale, because skull and
Bones comes from Yale, and the OSS and the CIA
come out of Skull and Bones and Yale. Literally. Okay,
So if you don't know that, you're not going to
understand the ideological dynamic, the power dynamic behind what's motivating
people to take over the For example, the OSS. One
thing that they do is take over the old French
drug networks. So the French intelligence prior to the OSS,
they ran and controlled a lot of the drug alleyways.
This is for black markets. Okay, this is not conspiracy theory.
This is basic intelligence history. While the OSS ended up
taking over those drug routes. This is how a lot
of these old families got to be rich and famous
was drugs. Did you know that a lot of the
Eastern Seaboard elite didn't just sell pelts, They didn't just
sell cheese. They sold drugs, opium. That's how they got rich.
The Eastern Seaboard elite made their money on drugs. This
is called the wasp elite. He has a whole chapter
on it. To realize this dream of creating an Americanist world,
and he even talks about sculling bones and the false
flag of the Lusitania, which was a false flag. He
says that to realize this dream they needed money workers
in a winning idea. There was one hundred thousand dollars
in seed money back in this is a long time ago,
nineteen eighteen. This is early people at Yale, A number
of prominent Protestants, namely Theodore Roosevelt junior, Henry van Dyck, diplomat,
Presbyterian minister, president of Yale Princeton, the president of JOHNS.
Hopkins Columbia College, all put their money into a project, right,
and this project would become Time Magazine. Thus, Time Magazine
drew upon wasp elite from its founding to rise to prominence.
The staff and writers, however, were not just drawn from Yale,
but also from Harvard, Princeton, Oxford, and Columbia. Eastern Seaboard
elite directly connected to British intelligence. You see here, Now,
who comes over to tell the Eastern Seaboard elite how
to set up an intelligence agency British Intelligence William Stevenson
codename Intrepid Bill Donovan, Ian Fleming. Have you ever heard
of them? Yeah, that's who helps set up the OSS.
Why because these Eastern Seaboard elite families were directly connected
to British intelligence, to Oxford and to the Anglo elite.
And that's all covered in this right. So then he
goes back to Lipman. Now, what does Walter Lippmann do
in this for everybody? Well, Walter Lippmann comes into play
because in nineteen fourteen, Walter Lippmann became the editor of
the New Republic. When World War One broke out, Lippman
saw it as an opportunity to advance democracy.