1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and good morning everybody. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:03,359 Speaker 2: Hello, hello man. 3 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:05,719 Speaker 1: I got to tell you what you have put together 4 00:00:05,799 --> 00:00:07,759 something here that I think is going to be around 5 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:10,759 fifty seventy five years. This is this is something that 6 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,119 speaks genuinely not only to the up and coming generation, 7 00:00:14,439 --> 00:00:17,079 but to a modern generation that wishes we had books 8 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,160 like this when we were younger. 9 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, thank you so much. 10 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: That's great. 11 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: Good. Where does it come from? Because I mean, did 12 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,960 you did you live it? I mean, do you did 13 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,879 you go to a coffee shop or a t shop 14 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:31,920 and just sit there and go, this is Oh, this 15 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,359 is it. This we're going to we got to put 16 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:34,520 this into the storyline. 17 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Well, I mean kind of a long story. Heart Supper 18 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:43,119 actually originated as a kind of spin off from one 19 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,520 of my books that I wrote before Heart Stupper. Nick 20 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,119 and Charlie were characters in my very first book, which 21 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,759 is called Solitaire. But in that book they're just side characters. 22 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:56,240 You don't really learn a lot about them. So when 23 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,600 I finished writing that book, because like, I love these 24 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:01,479 characters so so much and I want to know what 25 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,239 their story is, and so that became Heart Supper and 26 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,359 it's just growing from there. 27 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,159 Speaker 1: Patrick, how do you keep it so natural, like it's authentic, 28 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,040 like it's something that's really happening in our everyday lives. 29 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,359 Speaker 4: I think that all comes from Alice, really, because the 30 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:22,519 genesis of the TV version is just me reading the 31 00:01:22,519 --> 00:01:25,319 webcomic and being like, Wow, this could be really exciting, 32 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,000 this could be an amazing TV series, and then talking 33 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,519 to Alice finding a kind of creative collaboration and partnership there. 34 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: And we've just sort of. 35 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,359 Speaker 4: Tried to make the TV show as close to the 36 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,040 webcomic graphic novel book series as we possibly can, and 37 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:45,239 I think to speak to the naturalness that you mentioned 38 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,599 that is what is so inherent in your drawings. The 39 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,040 boys are so easy with each other, and the intimacy 40 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:52,799 that Alice puts on the page is what we wanted to. 41 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: Capture on screen. 42 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,239 Speaker 4: And so to work with brilliant directors ls Lynn Andy 43 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,760 Newberry and of course Kit and Joe in kind of 44 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:03,200 Alice's decision to life, it's just a privilege and that's yeah, 45 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,560 that's where the naturalness is. 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: I think, Well, Alice, I mean, the thing about it 47 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:09,719 is is that the graphic novel is amazing in the 48 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:14,960 way of there's real emotion inside those those pictures, the illustration. 49 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:16,879 I mean, it's like, you can you I'll look at 50 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:19,080 the illustration, then I'll read the words, and it's it's like, 51 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,199 because I feel something in this whole entire, you know, 52 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,039 a connection here. 53 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,159 Speaker 4: I just I can't. 55 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: I can't hear it. I don't know if it's something 56 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:29,080 on our end. 57 00:02:33,159 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Now? 58 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:35,599 Speaker 4: Yes? 59 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,439 Speaker 1: Okay. There's such an emotion attached to the to the 60 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:42,360 illustration as well as the storyline, connecting them the way 61 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,120 that you do, it's almost like you go into a 62 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:45,680 different dimension with the readers. 63 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's That's one of the things I 64 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:57,120 love to draw the most is expressions and little gestures 65 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:02,719 between characters and body language. My favorite thing to draw 66 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,680 is people and people's emotions. 67 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: So that's kind. 68 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,719 Speaker 3: Of how I create Heart Stopper and how I write 69 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:18,639 and draw these relationships and big, big feelings that are 70 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,560 so central to the story of heart Stopper. It's just 71 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:25,560 what I love to write stories about. 72 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: You know. 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,719 Speaker 1: It's really interesting, Patrick, is the fact that I speak 74 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:31,360 with so many different authors that dream of getting shows, 75 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:34,400 you know, displayed on things like such as Netflix or 76 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:37,240 even TV shows. The thing is is that you're part 77 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:39,439 of this journey. I mean, you're part of this legacy. 78 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,639 Speaker 4: I mean it's fantastic. It's a privilege, and getting to 79 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:46,319 work on the show with Alice is just such a joy. 80 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,280 You know, We've been doing kind of like panels when 81 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,159 we've been in New York and previously in Toronto, and 82 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:54,360 it's been amazing meeting the fans who are just so 83 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,520 appreciative and such pains to say thank you for doing this, 84 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:01,360 and I'm like, I would do it for nothing. That 85 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:04,719 is like, it's the funnest thing and it's something that 86 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:08,240 we both love and we just have passion for. So yeah, 87 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:09,800 to get to do it is brilliant. 88 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: Alice, how do you work on the pacing Because you're 89 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,680 not rushing anything in this story at all. It feels 90 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:17,839 like it's really happening in real time. 91 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a planner when I before I write, 92 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,600 I plan very carefully what the plots of the story 93 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:32,160 is going to be. I always know exactly what's going 94 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:34,120 to happen at the end of the story, so I'm 95 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,560 always working with that end point in mind. And really 96 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,600 the pacing of heart stuff or is just I want 97 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,120 it to feel really natural, and like we're growing up 98 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,040 alongside these characters who are growing up and we're really 99 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:54,480 just following them through their ordinary, everyday lives, the problems 100 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,959 that they face and the joys that they experience. And yeah, 101 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 I wanted to feel as. 102 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: As it can, so Patrick, So the book this is 103 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,360 volume number five. You guys are in the TV show, 104 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:09,480 are doing season number three? Do you sneak look into 105 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,240 into the future books to find out what your character 106 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:11,879 is going to be doing? 107 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, that's another really fun part of the 108 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,399 job is that Alice sends me the comic panels, and 109 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:21,600 as you know, we've been talking about what the ending 110 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,519 of Heartstop is going to be, and we've been looking 111 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,759 forward to finishing that story and telling it in a 112 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,759 really complete way. 113 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's really exciting. 114 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: To be kind of, you know, happy the Bird's idea 115 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:35,920 of what alice Is sort of vision for the whole 116 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:38,959 story is, and it's really really important that we do 117 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:42,160 that justice in the TV version. And yeah, people seem 118 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,279 to be loving season three, so I think touch with 119 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,279 so far we're doing. 120 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: All way, Alice, he said, the ending come on, as 121 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:50,839 readers and viewers, we don't want to see an ending. 122 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,920 But then again, it's on Netflix. We can start it 123 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:54,600 all over again. But still we don't want to see 124 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,399 the story end. 125 00:05:56,079 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, I mean all stories have to end. Actually, 126 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:05,279 it's a very bittersweet feeling. Like obviously, I am very, 127 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,800 very sad to be eventually saying goodbye to Heartstopper, because 128 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,800 I love this story and I love these characters. But 129 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,600 at the same time, I want it to end on 130 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:18,879 a high. I would never want to drag it on 131 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:24,560 forever and ever, that's no good for any story, I 132 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,639 don't think. So. Yeah, I'm sad, but I'm also really 133 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:32,079 excited about bringing the story to a clothes and creating 134 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,759 the most beautiful. 135 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: Ending that I can patrick. One of the things that 136 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:39,279 we have these days, we have giant flat screen TVs 137 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:40,920 in our living rooms. But the thing is, though, is 138 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,120 that I would like to see a few of these 139 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,199 episodes up on a big screen in a movie theater, 140 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,959 so I can really get that movie theater, you know, 141 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,079 kind of a vibe that a story like this can 142 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,240 bring out. Have you seen it on a big screen? 143 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,639 Speaker 2: We have watched it on a big screen. 144 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen it in Toronto and we've saw it 145 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:58,360 in New York and we've actually seen it in London 146 00:06:58,399 --> 00:06:59,560 as well, so we've been doing a bit of a 147 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,560 touring up on these beautiful big cinema screens. Is amazing 148 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,240 and I think that's one of the things I'm really 149 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,920 proud of is the artistry. 150 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:11,839 Speaker 2: Behind the show. It makes it look very sinematic and so, 151 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,040 you know, the story is you might say it's a 152 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:19,319 small story because it's just about teenagers dotting everyday thing, 153 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,399 but actually the emotional slayer that it is good and 154 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:25,759 I think that's reflected and how all the brilliant crafts 155 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:28,079 people who come together to make the show have made 156 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,800 it look and when you see it on a big screen, 157 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:32,439 you're like, wow, this is like an amatic vibe. 158 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's more than just a story about teenagers, 159 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,120 because one of the things that you do, Alice, is 160 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,160 that you showcase love, friendship, loyalty. These are all things 161 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,959 that we need to teach our young teens and younger adults. 162 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,600 But you're doing it in a way that's through the 163 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:49,480 pages of a book and through a TV show. 164 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:54,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's I think Heart Suffer is kind 165 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,319 of naturally a little bit educational, like just because of 166 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:04,319 the tone of the story. It has this optimistic you know, 167 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,480 it tells you that things are going to be okay, 168 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:11,279 and it shows you how so even though the characters 169 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:14,279 go through these dark times. For example, Charlie deals with 170 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,040 having an eating disorder, we see exactly how he gets 171 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,120 out of that dark place and finds healing and finds recovery. 172 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,879 And hopefully that is helpful to young people, especially who 173 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,639 really need that in the books that they're reading and 174 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,240 they need that information. So yeah, hopefully it is a 175 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:36,720 little bit helpful in some way. 176 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,759 Speaker 1: Patrick, I would love to see the studies on people 177 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,960 who have watched Heartstoppers on their smartphones or in the 178 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,759 privacy of their bedrooms, and it's teaching them to be 179 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:48,919 more open with their emotions. And so when they go 180 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,159 to school or they go to their jobs, they're a 181 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,480 little bit more open because you guys say, it's okay 182 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:55,159 to be you. 183 00:08:55,759 --> 00:09:01,919 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I think the show is centers optimism 184 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,879 and in a very queer story, and I think this 185 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,279 is maybe one of the first generations that are getting 186 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,879 lots of media now that is optimistic and hopeful and 187 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,399 has kind of joy in it. And as Alla says, 188 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,320 we don't shy away from the tough you know storyline. 189 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,440 Those things exist in the world and we tackle them, 190 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,720 but I think we do it in a way that says, 191 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,159 you know, you can get through this and open communication 192 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,120 is the key and do things in your own way. 193 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,080 There's no one defined way to be a queer person. 194 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,360 There's no one defined queer identity, and that's one of 195 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:39,200 the things in the show that I'm really proud of. 196 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,919 It's sort of celebrating lots of different identities in the lgbtqia, 197 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:48,159 you know, family really. So yeah, hopefully it's a little 198 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,759 kind of slice of rainbow joy for people to use 199 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:54,200 and to be taken and have a positive impact. 200 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Alice, where can people go to find out more about 201 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,279 your journey? Because with you bringing this story to an end, saying, 202 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,960 oh my god, she's got to be doing something else. 203 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,200 You can't turn writing off. 204 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:08,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what heart stuffer is very much my 205 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:12,200 focus right now, and people are welcome to follow me 206 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,480 on Instagram that's kind of where I most active. It's 207 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:17,200 just at Aliefoseman or you can find out more about 208 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,080 my books on my website Aliphoseman dot com. But yeah, 209 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,320 who knows what the future will bring. Things are very 210 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,519 heart slepper focus right now, but it's coming to an 211 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:28,639 end and then I'll get to write a news story 212 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,320 and I'm really excited about that. 213 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 214 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,399 Speaker 1: What about you, Patrick? Where can people find more about you? Well? 215 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: On Instagram as well. Pat Waters two underscores is my username. Yeah, 216 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,679 I'm working on heart Stopper. It takes up a huge 217 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,759 amount of time and that's amazing. I'm also working a 218 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:50,120 show which came out yesterday on Stars called Sweetpea with 219 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,960 a fabulous actress called Ala Panel in the lead role. 220 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000 It's very different to heart Stopper, That's all I'll say. 221 00:10:55,039 --> 00:10:56,159 Speaker 2: But it's thoughts so very good. 222 00:10:56,279 --> 00:10:57,519 Speaker 1: Wow, the two of you have got to come back 223 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,399 to this show anytime in the future. The door is 224 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,720 always going to be open for you. 225 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,759 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. 226 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: Will you'd be brilliant and thank you for for your art, 227 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,519 the two of you. You're acting as well as you're writing, 228 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,519 because the world needs this right now. 229 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: Oh thank you.