Speaker 1: If you've had a big Foot sighting and would like
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Speaker 2: My name is David Reagan, and my whole life has been,
Speaker 2: you know, about the paranormal and so you know, from
Speaker 2: an early age, I actually started being able to see
Speaker 2: spirits and things like that. So I've had a lifelong
Speaker 2: quest for this kinds of things. That that's why, you know,
Speaker 2: I have a podcast that that we talk about all
Speaker 2: these things, from UFOs to Bigfoot. And so the night
Speaker 2: that this all started and this all happened, the wife
Speaker 2: and I were long We used to be long haul
Speaker 2: truck drabbers, and so what we did is is she
Speaker 2: drove dayshift. Usually about the time it got dark, she
Speaker 2: would stop driving and then I would take over and
Speaker 2: I do all the night shift driving. And we were
Speaker 2: going towards Seattle, Washington. So we was on I ninety
Speaker 2: in Washington when all this happened. We did our normal
Speaker 2: you know, she gets out, does what she needs to do,
Speaker 2: and everything, gets ready to go to bed. She goes
Speaker 2: to bed. Nice take. I'll start driving down nine ninety
Speaker 2: about this time. I don't know, it's probably about eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock at night, somewhere close to there. It's a typical
Speaker 2: night for there. You know, it's not too bad, but
Speaker 2: there was a fog bank that was probably four cars
Speaker 2: or so away, So you if a car was about
Speaker 2: four cars away from you, you'd be able to see
Speaker 2: just their break lines. You wouldn't be able to make
Speaker 2: anything else out. You wouldn't be able to make out
Speaker 2: what kind of car or vehicle it was. And so
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just driving about sixty five miles an
Speaker 2: hours is the speed limit down through there. I'm in
Speaker 2: the slow lane, just cruising, like I said, you know,
Speaker 2: planning on getting getting there and getting a few hours
Speaker 2: of sleep before we have to unload in the next morning.
Speaker 2: And as we're as I'm driving, something catches me out
Speaker 2: of the out of the side of my eye, out
Speaker 2: of the left side of my eye, and so I
Speaker 2: turn and I look, and as I turn and look,
Speaker 2: coming from the median of the road is Bigfoot. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's he's enormous. You know. Uh. This area that I'm
Speaker 2: at is just before you get you know, up to
Speaker 2: the big mountains like snow Qualmie and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and but it is pretty heavily wooded and really hilly
Speaker 2: and mountainous. I would say, you would, you know, here
Speaker 2: in East Tennessee where I live, it would be a hill,
Speaker 2: but but there there it's a mountain. And he came
Speaker 2: out of that, out of the woods, out of the
Speaker 2: middle of the of the road there in between the
Speaker 2: two interstates. And as he crosses over again, I'm doing
Speaker 2: sixty five. He's right at that fog bank area, and
Speaker 2: he takes about three steps that I could see. And
Speaker 2: as he takes that third step and goes up the hill,
Speaker 2: I still do not make it to him. And you know,
Speaker 2: one thing that I have probably thought about more than
Speaker 2: anything is the size and the mass and how fast
Speaker 2: these creatures are. It's almost impossible to fathom how big
Speaker 2: these things are, and still how fast they could move.
Speaker 2: I know that if I would have pulled over in
Speaker 2: my semi truck, I could have rolled down the window
Speaker 2: and had a face to face conversation with this SaaS quatch.
Speaker 2: He was that big, probably almost as wide as the
Speaker 2: front end of the trug. And I think when my
Speaker 2: lights hit him, he was probably a darker color. It
Speaker 2: happened so fast my eyes were I was sitting there
Speaker 2: wondering like is this real? You know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I cannot believe this is happening to me right now,
Speaker 2: And so he passes in front of me, and the
Speaker 2: first thing I'm thinking is just that I cannot believe
Speaker 2: this is happening. And I probably drive down the road
Speaker 2: for ten or fifteen minutes just asking myself, did I
Speaker 2: just see what I just saw? I mean, that's it,
Speaker 2: just is this what I saw? And so the first
Speaker 2: thing I do is I have a really good friend
Speaker 2: of mine around here. His name is Matt, and he
Speaker 2: runs East Tennessee Bigfoot, and I text him like you
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe what I just saw, and it being eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock there, so it was three hours later here in
Speaker 2: East Tennessee. But he answered me back and he's like congratulations.
Speaker 2: But you know, over the years of thinking about this,
Speaker 2: because this happened, I would say, six years ago, and
Speaker 2: I hear other people tell their stories and their stories,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you can say that there is
Speaker 2: all there's a thread that kind of runs through all
Speaker 2: of these stories. And most people are pretty fascinated with
Speaker 2: with how big these creatures are and again how fast
Speaker 2: they can move. It's pretty amazing if you ask me. So,
Speaker 2: this experience as me where you know, I've thought about
Speaker 2: it over the years, and I think this is one
Speaker 2: thing that has pushed into my podcast itself, is the
Speaker 2: wanting to learn more about this creature. And so this
Speaker 2: is something that I'm pretty you know, excited to be
Speaker 2: part of and excited to be part of. You know,
Speaker 2: the few people who can say that they've actually seen
Speaker 2: one of these beings or one of these creatures.
Speaker 1: You're definitely a member of an elite fraternity. There isn't
Speaker 1: a denying that, sir. Was that citing the main motivating
Speaker 1: factor behind why you created your podcast? Asked her were
Speaker 1: those paranormal experiences you've had all of your life? The
Speaker 1: main reason why.
Speaker 2: The paranormal experiences, I would say, are why I started
Speaker 2: the podcast, and because we started it originally in twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: and so we've had to change names over the years.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was mainly the paranormal experiences is what
Speaker 2: got me into the podcast. But this has driven me
Speaker 2: closer to want to know even more about a bigfoot
Speaker 2: aspect of this. You know, the script it is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the word amazing doesn't do it justice, It really doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before I ask you questions about your experience there, what
Speaker 1: more can you tell us about your podcast? You've got
Speaker 1: me wondering.
Speaker 2: Well, we talk about everything from UFOs, tops to you know,
Speaker 2: we have psychics and stuff that come on the show.
Speaker 2: We we like to delve deep into all these topics
Speaker 2: because it's funny after you've done this for so many
Speaker 2: years and then you probably could understand this. You know,
Speaker 2: you start seeing how it seems like some things are
Speaker 2: intertwined with each other, even though they seem like totally
Speaker 2: different experiences, they are maybe somehow connected. And so that's
Speaker 2: you know, a search that we're definitely looking looking at
Speaker 2: and looking towards.
Speaker 1: Talking about pureanormal phenomena. A lot of people who are
Speaker 1: in the crypto community and are into UFOs and ghosts
Speaker 1: and things like that, preanormal things in general. A lot
Speaker 1: of people like that believe that the more you talk
Speaker 1: about pure and normal phenomena, the more likely you are
Speaker 1: to cause more phenomena like that to be drawn to you.
Speaker 1: What are your opinions on that?
Speaker 2: You know it could be true because you know, I
Speaker 2: believe in in manifestation or manifesting and so if you
Speaker 2: dwell on something long enough, you can actually manifest that
Speaker 2: to come to you. So that could be whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And if you look at you know, doctor Stephen Greer
Speaker 2: and his CE five where he says he could call
Speaker 2: in you know, these ships and all these kinds of things,
Speaker 2: it's a kind of a type of manifesting, right. They're
Speaker 2: sitting there going through these things to where they're trying
Speaker 2: to manifest this stuff to happen in the paranormal world.
Speaker 2: There's been case studies done on that where they've gone
Speaker 2: into a place that wasn't haunted and then for weeks
Speaker 2: they manifested. Right. They would sit there and they would
Speaker 2: think about the type of ghosts that would be there,
Speaker 2: the whole nine yard. They would set it up and
Speaker 2: they would just think about it all the time, and
Speaker 2: they would manifest this. When they would go back to
Speaker 2: research that place again, every bell would be hit. There
Speaker 2: would be the lady that died, her son at two
Speaker 2: had died from whatever. Everything they set up actually happened
Speaker 2: that came through somehow with an EEDP or some piece
Speaker 2: of equipment. So, you know, I really do think that
Speaker 2: you can manifest things into your life, and so you
Speaker 2: have to be careful and understand that and also understand
Speaker 2: how to if you do something like that, how to
Speaker 2: get it to where these things you could also tell
Speaker 2: them to leave in the same manner.
Speaker 1: I can see that definitely working against people who have
Speaker 1: traumatic experiences with these things, because naturally they're going to
Speaker 1: think about whatever is haunting them or tormenting them all
Speaker 1: the time, and if that's the case, it's just going
Speaker 1: to draw those entities right to them. Again.
Speaker 2: That'd be horrible, yes, sir, Yes, sir. And you know
Speaker 2: it's funny because you get a lot of that in
Speaker 2: a lot of these cases. You know that Jason and
Speaker 2: I go to a lot because we do a lot
Speaker 2: more residential stuff than we do anything else. But it's
Speaker 2: people who are actually in need, and then you dig deeper,
Speaker 2: and a lot of times it is people that have
Speaker 2: had something happen and then they're you know, running this
Speaker 2: through their mind all the time, and so you know,
Speaker 2: it's really they're doubling down on the manifestation of these
Speaker 2: entities into their life.
Speaker 1: And as you know, a lot of those people have
Speaker 1: no idea how to handle it, which is even more unfortunate.
Speaker 1: It really is. YEA told us that you've had pure
Speaker 1: normal experiences since you're a kid. I think I know
Speaker 1: the answer to this question. But then again, you know
Speaker 1: what they say happens when you assume, you see that
Speaker 1: as being a good thing or a bad.
Speaker 2: Thing, you know. So it started for me when I
Speaker 2: was three years old and I actually started seeing ghosts,
Speaker 2: and they were like real people. They weren't like Hollywood
Speaker 2: likes to preturn them and see through or they look
Speaker 2: like you know, they've been you know, blood on them
Speaker 2: or anything like that. They look like real people. And
Speaker 2: that's what was scary to me as a three year
Speaker 2: old is I'd wake up in my bedroom and they'd
Speaker 2: be four or five people standing around my bed looking
Speaker 2: at me. So I'd jump up front out of the bedroom,
Speaker 2: screaming and yelling, and of course no one else in
Speaker 2: the house could see these these things. And this happened
Speaker 2: all the way up to her about the time I
Speaker 2: was five. Then. You know, we were really heavy into
Speaker 2: church when I was a kid, and you know, my mom,
Speaker 2: I guess, would talk to the pastor or whatever, and
Speaker 2: he would pull me aside. I remember him pulling me
Speaker 2: aside a few times and saying, David, what you have
Speaker 2: as a gift, and all I could think of was
Speaker 2: it's funny. But all I could think of them was
Speaker 2: do you want it? I do not want this. This,
Speaker 2: This is not a gift. Now, being as old as
Speaker 2: I am and still being able to see these things,
Speaker 2: I find it. It's fascinating. And that's why on the
Speaker 2: paranormal side of what we do. You know, for me,
Speaker 2: it's not a hunt because I already know that. I
Speaker 2: know for a fact, like I know Bigfoot's real. I
Speaker 2: know these things are real and that they exist because
Speaker 2: I could see them daily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a unique I'm not sure I'm going
Speaker 1: to call it a gift, but it is a unique ability.
Speaker 1: It's nobility. I don't know I could ever get used to.
Speaker 1: I really don't. My opinion of a bad night is
Speaker 1: getting too hot and not being able to sleep. But
Speaker 1: you take that to a whole new level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's you know, my wife from you know,
Speaker 2: a few years back, had an experience where something she
Speaker 2: had come off the road a couple of years before
Speaker 2: I did, and so I was still on the road
Speaker 2: and she was here at the house and something spoke
Speaker 2: to her while she was laying down sleeping in the
Speaker 2: bed and she could almost feel a breath. Of course,
Speaker 2: no one else was here in the house, and so
Speaker 2: she calls me up, just hysterical, you know, just thinking
Speaker 2: she's lost her mind. She's just she's hysterical. And I
Speaker 2: had to calm her down and I said, welcome, I said,
Speaker 2: I said, you've had your first experience, your first real experience.
Speaker 2: I said. The problem is and this is what I
Speaker 2: can say that this is something that if it happens
Speaker 2: to anybody that's listening to this need my words. Do
Speaker 2: not try to rationalize the irrational. You will drive yourself crazy.
Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. Your rational mind cannot wrap
Speaker 2: around irrational things. So let it be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like good advice. I mean, the universe
Speaker 1: definitely does operate by different rules and what we think
Speaker 1: it does. So yeah, I think that's a good way
Speaker 1: to sum it up. Have all of your paranormal experiences
Speaker 1: been positive or have some of them involved malevolent entities too?
Speaker 2: So we had a case of a little girl that
Speaker 2: was getting tormented is what I'll say, by a being.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you're familiar with the black
Speaker 2: Eyed children, Oh yeah, phenomenon. So she I asked her
Speaker 2: to draw me a picture of what this thing looked like, right,
Speaker 2: that kept coming to her, and it kept coming to her,
Speaker 2: trying to get her to hurt her sister. And so
Speaker 2: she drew me a photo or a picture. You know.
Speaker 2: She was nine years old, and actually it was a
Speaker 2: pretty good picture too. But it was a little girl
Speaker 2: with these dark black eyes, and she had her mouth
Speaker 2: wide open, and it had like ray rose on top
Speaker 2: and bottom of like shark teeth. And she said, this
Speaker 2: is what comes and yells and screams at her. So
Speaker 2: we knew the family pretty decently, and so they asked
Speaker 2: me to come and take a look. So I went
Speaker 2: down there and did a preliminary investigation and that's when
Speaker 2: I asked, you know, her to draw a photo for
Speaker 2: me and everything. And I'm more than sure that I
Speaker 2: found that it was attached to an object in that
Speaker 2: little girl's room. And what made me really sure was
Speaker 2: the fact that I asked the mother was there a
Speaker 2: time that she didn't have this happening to her? She
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, there's about three months. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: was this specific piece of furniture here or around her
Speaker 2: or even in the house at that time, and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know, no, it was actually in storage. And so
Speaker 2: I was pretty sure that I had got it down
Speaker 2: to what this thing was attached to, and it was
Speaker 2: a piece of secondhand furniture that they had bought. And
Speaker 2: so what I was going to do is my partner
Speaker 2: that does you know the podcast with me, Jason. I
Speaker 2: was going to have him come in and do his
Speaker 2: own investigation the next day, so then you know, we
Speaker 2: can see if what we get collaborates with each other.
Speaker 2: And so I took that photo home with me. At
Speaker 2: the time, Jason and I worked together at the same place.
Speaker 2: So I took the photo, I laid it on top
Speaker 2: of a microwave, went took the shower, and everything, got
Speaker 2: ready to go to work. And I was going to
Speaker 2: talk to Jason about, you know, some of the stuff,
Speaker 2: but leave out the facts, right, like what I found
Speaker 2: and what I thought. And so when I went to
Speaker 2: go get the photo, the photo was missing. It was
Speaker 2: not setting where I put it, and so I asked
Speaker 2: the wife. I was like, Hey, that photo I put
Speaker 2: right here, do you know where it is? And she's like,
Speaker 2: I ain't touching that photo. And so I started looking
Speaker 2: around and opened up the cabinets, and two cabinets above
Speaker 2: where I had put it was that photo. It was
Speaker 2: setting there, and so I was like, okay, you were
Speaker 2: put we're playing games. So I folded, put it in
Speaker 2: my wallet, went to work, came back home. Three o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning. I'm in bed. Drop back home. I'm
Speaker 2: in bed. Right outside of our bedroom door in the
Speaker 2: hallway was an alarm, a smoke alarm, but it was
Speaker 2: the kind that's actually wired in right, didn't have a battery,
Speaker 2: and so three o'clock in the morning, that thing just
Speaker 2: starts just going off as much as it could. I
Speaker 2: jumped up out of bed, opened up the door, and
Speaker 2: ran into the hall. As soon as I stepped into
Speaker 2: the hallway, it stops, and I'm like, oh, said I
Speaker 2: know who you are. And I said, I didn't invite
Speaker 2: you to my home. You must leave. You've got to leave,
Speaker 2: got to get out of here. And I said, I
Speaker 2: am going to get you out of that little girl's life.
Speaker 2: So the next morning woke up again, Jason was supposed
Speaker 2: to come over and do an investigation. That next day.
Speaker 2: The family, again these were from my son, played with
Speaker 2: the their son, and so we knew each other. Pretty well.
Speaker 2: They stopped answering their door, they stopped answering their phone.
Speaker 2: We never got to go in and finish that investigation.
Speaker 2: And the sad thing is is that I know I
Speaker 2: could have got rid of it. I think it knew
Speaker 2: I could have got rid of it. That's why I
Speaker 2: tried to come to my house and intimidate me. You see,
Speaker 2: we lived literally across the street from these people, and
Speaker 2: so you know, that was probably the worst that's that
Speaker 2: we have ever had to deal with of while doing
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. And the worst part of it
Speaker 2: for me is that we never got to finish the
Speaker 2: work because they stopped all communications with us.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's got to be so frustrating, so close but
Speaker 1: yet so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure sounds like it. A lot of people think
Speaker 1: sasquatch or spiritual beings, not knowing what your mindset is
Speaker 1: on that, Dave, do you think your sighting was related
Speaker 1: to all the paranormal experiences you've had or totally unrelated.
Speaker 2: It may be. You know, the Native Americans believe that
Speaker 2: they walked in both worlds, that they were both physical
Speaker 2: and they were spiritual beings, and so you know, I
Speaker 2: think that with me having that same mindset that that
Speaker 2: might have and why I had the siding that I had.
Speaker 2: And that is something that you know, I've thought of
Speaker 2: over the years about it too, you know, because why
Speaker 2: do only so few people get to see these things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of questions like that that
Speaker 1: really do make you wonder. I think there's a really
Speaker 1: strong possibility that they are spiritual beings. I really do.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, there's a very well known Sasquatch investigator
Speaker 1: named Tim Koomba Baker who's done a lot of research
Speaker 1: into the possibility that these things are the nephylum. And
Speaker 1: with that in mind, I'm wondering, did you know about
Speaker 1: all the work he's done with a show far to
Speaker 1: try to test that theory?
Speaker 2: No, what I do not.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's all right, Let's see what's the best way
Speaker 1: to package this. There's a lot to share. The gist
Speaker 1: of what he has been doing or he did. He
Speaker 1: stopped doing that work now he doesn't feel that it's safe,
Speaker 1: and I could understand why when you listen to him
Speaker 1: explain all the work he's done and what's happened and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But the gist of it is he got with a
Speaker 1: religious scholar, several religious scholars, and after doing a lot
Speaker 1: of research, he started to wonder if these guys were
Speaker 1: the Nefhilum or somehow related to the now so to
Speaker 1: test that theory, what he wound up doing was he
Speaker 1: wound up getting his hands on the show far, which
Speaker 1: is basically a cou Do horn. If I remember right,
Speaker 1: it's either an orgs horn or a cou Do horn.
Speaker 1: I think it's a cu Do horn. And he spent
Speaker 1: a long time learning how to blow it properly. I
Speaker 1: think he said he practiced until he had blisters on
Speaker 1: his lips, but I think it took him over a
Speaker 1: year to be competent at being able to blow it correctly.
Speaker 1: But he was guided by I think a couple of
Speaker 1: the religious scholars that he reached out to trying to
Speaker 1: find out exactly what the proper way to blow that
Speaker 1: sho far was. Well, once they told him that yes,
Speaker 1: he had learned how to properly blow it, he thought, well,
Speaker 1: it's time to take this into the field and test
Speaker 1: my theory. Well, they explained to him what he would
Speaker 1: need to do to test that theory, and that's what
Speaker 1: he did. Well, basically every place that he went experienced
Speaker 1: as he is with Sasquatch, he knew the right places
Speaker 1: to go to find them to test that theory. So yeah,
Speaker 1: every place he wound up going, and he went to
Speaker 1: multiple states to test this theory. Every place he went
Speaker 1: and blew that show far they were drawn to him.
Speaker 1: He said that they would come. I can't remember how
Speaker 1: many he said would show up, but a lot of
Speaker 1: them would just show up. All he had to do
Speaker 1: was just wait and they would just show up in
Speaker 1: big numbers. Well, they did everything he said. They did
Speaker 1: everything that the religious scholars said they would do if
Speaker 1: they were Nephlum. So since he tested that theory in
Speaker 1: multiple states and got the same results time after time,
Speaker 1: I mean, that does lend a lot of credence to
Speaker 1: the idea that they are Nephylon. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I'm going to have to do some research
Speaker 2: on this. But with that being said, I mean I
Speaker 2: would think absolutely, you know them being Nephelin. And it's
Speaker 2: funny though, because you know, a lot of people believe
Speaker 2: that the flood is what wiped all those things away,
Speaker 2: but but I don't believe that that that but that
Speaker 2: actually did wipe them all the way and that they
Speaker 2: are still here. And I've heard multiple you know theories
Speaker 2: of people talking about you know, these things possibly being
Speaker 2: nephelin and so I think that, uh, with with that
Speaker 2: guy doing the you know, the blowings of that of
Speaker 2: that horn and and that so far and getting those
Speaker 2: kinds of results, that would be amazing. So I'm guessing
Speaker 2: this guy isn't putting this out how he did it.
Speaker 1: Is he He's not. Yeah, Once he started talking about
Speaker 1: this work he had been doing, a lot of people
Speaker 1: started trying to procure show fars so they could go
Speaker 1: out learn how to blow them, and then go out
Speaker 1: and do the same things that he had done. Well.
Speaker 1: The religious scholars warned him that it said that angels
Speaker 1: are basically going to call upon the end times by
Speaker 1: coming down to earth and blowing a show far or
Speaker 1: show fars to bring on the beasts, to let the
Speaker 1: beasts of the world know that it's time to start
Speaker 1: doing what they were put here to do. So, with
Speaker 1: that in mind, seeing how effective the show far was
Speaker 1: at bringing in the sasquatch I guess aka Nephelum, he
Speaker 1: was afraid that if he blew that horn wrong or
Speaker 1: whatever did this or did that wrong, he might call
Speaker 1: on the end of the world himself or something approaching that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it didn't take too long I guess before
Speaker 1: he realized he was playing with fire. So he decided
Speaker 1: to just stop all activities like that. Well, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there who are still doing
Speaker 1: that thing, that sort of activity to this day. I
Speaker 1: hope none of them cause any type of fallout that
Speaker 1: you know, it's like not being able to put the
Speaker 1: genie back into the bottle. I sure hope none of
Speaker 1: them ever do anything that causes a sort of problem
Speaker 1: like that for us. But I mean, you can take
Speaker 1: a horse to water, but you know what they say
Speaker 1: about the rest, that's.
Speaker 2: Right, No, And that's that's a that's interesting, and that's
Speaker 2: an interesting take on it too, And like you said,
Speaker 2: that puts another spin on it. And that makes it
Speaker 2: to where you wonder, if they do hit the proper
Speaker 2: note or whatever it is, you know, are they going
Speaker 2: to cause the end times? And that would be pretty
Speaker 2: terrible to think that just because he was out trying
Speaker 2: to pull in a sassquatch called the end of Times.
Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt, no doubt. What gets me is if
Speaker 1: none of these people knew what they were risking or
Speaker 1: potentially risking. That'd be one thing, But there's so many
Speaker 1: of these people out there doing that and they know
Speaker 1: full well that they're possibly risking that, but they still
Speaker 1: do it. And Yeah, like you just touched on why
Speaker 1: do that if you know that you might be risking that?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I don't understand that at all.
Speaker 1: I never will.
Speaker 2: No, It's funny because when you talk about that, it's
Speaker 2: also kind of like when we became the nuclear age,
Speaker 2: right when they first was going to split the ad
Speaker 2: on what they say, they said, well, may start a
Speaker 2: chain reaction that destroys the universe, let's do it anyway.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and so it's like, you know what's going
Speaker 2: on in our minds where we're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's push the red button an it's flashing.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense. It
Speaker 1: really doesn't. Now, were you interested in sasquatch free of
Speaker 1: that sighting? And if so, did you instantly realize what
Speaker 1: it was that you're looking at when you saw them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, I was really interested in it a
Speaker 2: lot from a Native American standpoint, and how the Native Americans,
Speaker 2: you know, have seen these creatures for hundreds and thousands
Speaker 2: of years. And then when you start going through and
Speaker 2: seeing all the accounts you know that we have in
Speaker 2: print from the seventeen hundreds on up and everything. I
Speaker 2: was really really interested in these things and wondered about
Speaker 2: you know, like the Patty film. Right You're like, you
Speaker 2: see the Patty film and then you see all the
Speaker 2: stuff that's going on with it right now. But you know,
Speaker 2: all the people who said, oh, that can't be a costume,
Speaker 2: and because you could see these muscles flexing and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. I've been you know, in and out and
Speaker 2: through this a lot. But then when I saw it,
Speaker 2: when it passed in front of me and I got
Speaker 2: that full, you know, side view of it going, I
Speaker 2: was in awe, you know. It. It was like one
Speaker 2: of those moments where time slows down almost And so
Speaker 2: I was sitting there looking at this thing as it
Speaker 2: came through and you know, on the other side of me.
Speaker 2: So it went from my driver's side, you know, over
Speaker 2: to the passenger side, and then it went up this hill.
Speaker 2: There's this big old hill that was over there on
Speaker 2: the other side. When it got over there, and it
Speaker 2: was already way up that hill by the time I
Speaker 2: got to it, And again, you know, it was no
Speaker 2: more than carlinks away from me. And so yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: the studying that I had done and all the research
Speaker 2: I had done over the years before that, I think
Speaker 2: helped me in coping with the fact that I saw it,
Speaker 2: But it still didn't didn't stop the fact that it
Speaker 2: makes like what happened to my wife. You know, your
Speaker 2: your rational mind is trying to say you didn't see that,
Speaker 2: and you're fighting that rational side of your brain saying, no, now,
Speaker 2: I know what I just saw, you know, So it
Speaker 2: was it was an amazing, amazing thing.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it was. I don't doubt that. And
Speaker 1: you just called it an amazing experience, which brings us
Speaker 1: to the next question, which is due to all those
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences you've been used to having since you were
Speaker 1: a kid, I'm sure it took a lot to move
Speaker 1: the needle with you with regards to seeing that asquatch, though,
Speaker 1: Does seeing him move the needle more for you than
Speaker 1: any of the prior paranormal experiences you'd had, or were
Speaker 1: there other experiences with the paranormal that moved it more?
Speaker 2: Being that I've seen the paranormal for most of my life.
Speaker 2: It's hard for the paranormal to move the meter because
Speaker 2: you know, we were down at the battlefields here in
Speaker 2: Tennessee and it's actually in Georgia, right at the border
Speaker 2: of Tennessee and Georgia. There the second blood bloodiest battle
Speaker 2: in the Civil War. And I saw a Civil War
Speaker 2: soldier sitting there waving a hat at me, like telling
Speaker 2: me to come here. Wow. And of course no one
Speaker 2: else could see it, of course, but you know, for me,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you see that, and then no one
Speaker 2: else does, and I'm just like, okay, never find and
Speaker 2: because sometimes it's I will say all the time, it's
Speaker 2: so realistic looking. It doesn't look like a ghost that
Speaker 2: if another person walked the side of it, I would
Speaker 2: just think there's just another person standing there. That's how
Speaker 2: real these the spirits looked to me. And so being
Speaker 2: used to that my whole life, it's really hard for
Speaker 2: that needle to move. But when I saw this, it
Speaker 2: was confirmation, That's what I'll say. It was confirmation to
Speaker 2: something that I believed was real from just the evidence,
Speaker 2: the anecdotal evidence of the people's you know, testimony, and
Speaker 2: their witnessing of what happened to them and then seeing it.
Speaker 2: It was a a ha moment And it definitely made
Speaker 2: that meter. It made its spike because it took me
Speaker 2: twenty miles of driving down the road before I realized,
Speaker 2: but not real before I came to terms with what
Speaker 2: I just saw.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it did. I don't doubt that at all.
Speaker 1: Was your wife upset about not being able to see
Speaker 1: him by being in the back of sleep.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. When she woke up the next morning and
Speaker 2: I told her what had happened, she was like, are
Speaker 2: you are you kidding me? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you. I saw what I saw, And
Speaker 2: so she was like, man, you know, if I would
Speaker 2: have just stayed up a little bit later. But anybody
Speaker 2: that knows my wife, when it gets dark, she's ready
Speaker 2: to pay it. She doesn't stay up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just one of those things. You might not
Speaker 1: have seen anything if she would have stayed up. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say.
Speaker 2: And that is possible, you know. And what would have
Speaker 2: been neat is if she was up and then I
Speaker 2: was able to see this thing and she wasn't, then
Speaker 2: I would have been able to say, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: is this a spirit form or you know it would
Speaker 2: have I would have been able to get some other
Speaker 2: questions that I have answered.
Speaker 1: You know that you would have, but it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things. It didn't happen that way. So all
Speaker 1: you can do is.
Speaker 2: Wonder, yes, sir, that's all you could do.
Speaker 1: That's right. Did he move in what you would describe
Speaker 1: as being a strange way or did he move the
Speaker 1: way you'd expect a large human to move.
Speaker 2: What was funny is that the way he moved was
Speaker 2: the way you would see a running back in football run.
Speaker 2: So he was he was moving, and like I said,
Speaker 2: from this, you know, I'm ninety down through there. It's
Speaker 2: a it's a two lane interstate. And so he was
Speaker 2: from the shoulder of the road to the other shower
Speaker 2: of the road in about three steps and then was
Speaker 2: back up, was going back up the other side. So
Speaker 2: he was moving.
Speaker 1: He must have been moving. He had to move that fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, he was about as wide as the front
Speaker 1: of your rig. Did his mask seem to hinder his
Speaker 1: movements at all? I know he was moving really fast,
Speaker 1: But did he seem to be hindered at all by
Speaker 1: being so large.
Speaker 2: He didn't and that that was one of the parts,
Speaker 2: you know, when when I saw that and it kept
Speaker 2: replaying through my mind. That's one of the things that
Speaker 2: I had a hard time resolving, right, was the fact
Speaker 2: of how big he was, but yet how nimble and
Speaker 2: quick he seemed to be at the same time. That
Speaker 2: was something to me that was just amazing. That's something
Speaker 2: that large would move back quickly, and you know, it
Speaker 2: just brings you back to where you listen to other
Speaker 2: people's stories and they're there one second and then they're
Speaker 2: gone another. Well, I'll tell you these things they can move,
Speaker 2: and if they can be me doing sixty five miles
Speaker 2: an hour down the road across a two lane road
Speaker 2: and then be back up the other side, I can
Speaker 2: see how they could just seem to disappear.
Speaker 1: There are just so many things about them that just
Speaker 1: defy explanation. I mean, it seems like they have a
Speaker 1: cheat code to do a lot of the things they do.
Speaker 1: They're so big, but they're so fast, and they can
Speaker 1: be so nimble and jump so high and do all
Speaker 1: these things. Like I said, it almost seems like they
Speaker 1: have a cheat code or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's a guy that lives here in
Speaker 2: our area, and we have a place down the road
Speaker 2: that most people in this area that have lived here
Speaker 2: for a while know about. And it's a booger sighting
Speaker 2: place right so where people have seen bigfoot and stuff,
Speaker 2: and he talks about seeing one. But it was when
Speaker 2: it decided to start running. So it was doing the
Speaker 2: whole thing where you walk and then it walks beside you,
Speaker 2: that whole thing, and when you stop, it stopped. And
Speaker 2: it was late at night. He was walking down this
Speaker 2: little beady road. This road is small, but all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, this thing decided to take off running. And
Speaker 2: then when it stopped and it started running back towards them,
Speaker 2: it went from being bipedal to him actually being quadrupedal
Speaker 2: and running back towards them. And you know, that's a
Speaker 2: pretty fascinating thing too that you hear sometimes.
Speaker 1: Oh, there are so many fascinating things about these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take your pick. If there is one question you could
Speaker 1: have answered about sasquatch, Dave, what question would you want
Speaker 1: to know the answer to, I'll.
Speaker 2: Say, I'll I'll be pretty fascinated with knowing how they
Speaker 2: remain elusive, because I think if we can learn that,
Speaker 2: then we could learn a lot about these creatures, because
Speaker 2: then we would know, you know, some of their habits,
Speaker 2: because I think it's something that's in their habits that
Speaker 2: causes them to be as elusive as they are.
Speaker 1: You can definitely explain the way their ability to disappear
Speaker 1: if they were just masters of the forest in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases. But on the other hand, there are
Speaker 1: a lot lot of other credible eyewitnesses who've reported things
Speaker 1: where you can't explain away what they did by just saying, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: they're just masterful at using the things in the forest
Speaker 1: to conceal themselves or whatnot. I mean, people have seen
Speaker 1: credible eyewitnesses have reported seeing these things just run into
Speaker 1: thickets and they disappear into the thicket and not a
Speaker 1: single leaf moved, and they report seeing them do other things.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you could explain away their
Speaker 1: existence and being able to do the things that they
Speaker 1: do without coming to the conclusion that they are spiritual
Speaker 1: at least in some capacity.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know, it's the trackway that just stops in
Speaker 2: the middle of a clearing. Where did where did the
Speaker 2: rest of the footprints go? You know, all these different
Speaker 2: things that you see. You know, you hear of people
Speaker 2: being out in the woods, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they would have the smell of ozone, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden there would be a big sighting.
Speaker 2: They would hear these metal doors slamming or sounding like
Speaker 2: they're opening or closing, and a lot of times end
Speaker 2: up having a bigfoot encounter. And so you know, what,
Speaker 2: what is the what is that stuff?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: That's that's the amazing part. I think that's what the
Speaker 2: natives were talking about. You know when they when they
Speaker 2: say that these things are are spiritual, I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know. It's it's hard to think
Speaker 2: what they actually thought about it. But to me, when
Speaker 2: they say that they walk in both worlds, it almost
Speaker 2: seems interdimensional. It almost seems like they can go from
Speaker 2: here to somewhere else and and that other place we
Speaker 2: can't see, you know. Uh, but this, you know that
Speaker 2: that part of the topic could go really really deep.
Speaker 1: Yes, they can really deep. When that big old boy
Speaker 1: passed in front of you, was he looking at you
Speaker 1: or looking elsewhere?
Speaker 2: When he was running through there or running across the
Speaker 2: road right there, he was looking straight ahead, like like
Speaker 2: I didn't even matter. Yeah, yeah, that was another thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like he was he kind of
Speaker 2: looked over at me or anything. I was like, oh man,
Speaker 2: this guy might run me up for nothing, Like I
Speaker 2: didn't even I didn't even matter. I was a bug on,
Speaker 2: you know, find in his ear or something. I guess
Speaker 2: he knew that he could beat me across the road.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I could think of. That is
Speaker 2: why he didn't look. But you know, the good thing
Speaker 2: about the truck I was driving is that it actually
Speaker 2: had those really bright led lights. So you know, I
Speaker 2: would be driving and have people brought me all the
Speaker 2: time thinking that I had my bright lights on. It
Speaker 2: was those kind of bright headlights. So I got to see,
Speaker 2: you know what color his hair was a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, because he was kind of in that fog,
Speaker 2: but not quite in the fog. You know, he was
Speaker 2: right at that line, and like I said, it was
Speaker 2: a dark color. So it looked not I wouldn't say black,
Speaker 2: but I would say a really dark brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Thank goodness he did have those bright headlights.
Speaker 1: It would have been horrible to just get a glance
Speaker 1: but not be able to see him very well, So
Speaker 1: thank goodness for that. With that in mind, since you
Speaker 1: got a pretty good look at him, did you look
Speaker 1: well kept or disheveled?
Speaker 2: He looked well kept. You know. There wasn't this wild
Speaker 2: hair everywhere or nothing like that. I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say that it looked brushed, but I mean, you know
Speaker 2: it from the looks of it, and as quick as
Speaker 2: I got to see him, it looked uniform, you know,
Speaker 2: like like I wouldn't say it was brushed, but you know,
Speaker 2: it was pretty well kept for sure, and it looked
Speaker 2: like it was pretty thick too. I didn't see any skin. Again,
Speaker 2: it was pretty close, you know, pretty quick that I
Speaker 2: saw him, and it was a little far away, but
Speaker 2: you know, when my lights hit him, I didn't see
Speaker 2: any different discolorations of saying, you know, I could see
Speaker 2: his skin like, his hair was not really thick or anything.
Speaker 1: You know, what, Dave A strange thing I've noticed whenever
Speaker 1: I've heard an eye witness talk about seeing a big
Speaker 1: one like that what would appear to be an alpha.
Speaker 1: Seems like in every case they look like they stepped
Speaker 1: out of a beauty parlor. Their hair is perfect and
Speaker 1: just well kept. It does make you wonder if other
Speaker 1: sasquatch maintained their hair for them somehow. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: they look so well kept. I don't know. That's just
Speaker 1: a guess, but that is a pattern that I think
Speaker 1: I've noticed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you would think something that just was a
Speaker 2: you know, creature living in the woods, it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: so kept up. But I mean the hair seemed to
Speaker 2: be you know, it wasn't dull, you know, because I
Speaker 2: could see the you know, the lights in the hair.
Speaker 2: And again it seemed uniformed and well maintained. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's almost like we just took a bath the day
Speaker 2: a day or two before, you know, I mean like
Speaker 2: he was really it was like it was a very
Speaker 2: healthy being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure sounds like it. And it's just a guess.
Speaker 1: But maybe being the head of the troop, maybe being
Speaker 1: the alpha means you don't have to forge, you don't
Speaker 1: have to hunt, your food's provided for you. If so,
Speaker 1: then then make it pretty easy to stay clean and
Speaker 1: well kept like that. But that's just a guess, and
Speaker 1: we don't know about that. All we can do is
Speaker 1: just suppose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I would think that you know,
Speaker 2: not trying to degrade them or to me him or
Speaker 2: anything and say that they're just apes. But you know,
Speaker 2: you see it in a lot of the great apes
Speaker 2: where well they'll they'll groom each other, you know, and
Speaker 2: and stuff like that just part of their ritualistic you know,
Speaker 2: bonding stuff. So you know that something like that may
Speaker 2: be going on. Also, Yeah, just might be right.
Speaker 1: It seems like they take exception to being compared to
Speaker 1: apes to gorillas, but a lot of the things they
Speaker 1: do are very gorilla alike, So you might be right
Speaker 1: about that. It does make you wonder. Now you made
Speaker 1: it clear how big he was, but if you had
Speaker 1: to guess just how tall would you say he was?
Speaker 1: And feet and how much do you think you weighed?
Speaker 2: He was taller than the hood of my truck, so
Speaker 2: I would say he was he was probably easily seven
Speaker 2: to eight foot tall. I would say easily seven to
Speaker 2: eight foot tall. And if I had to guess his weight,
Speaker 2: I would put him somewhere around seven hundred pounds, probably
Speaker 2: because he was he was massive, you know, like like
Speaker 2: what you'd see a linebacker or something. I mean, he
Speaker 2: was just there was a big, big guy.
Speaker 1: It's sure, it sounds like it and from what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, you think that he probably could whip.
Speaker 2: Me, then maybe.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, you know, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to assume, you know, I don't understand that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think i'd be much of
Speaker 1: a problem for him at all. Just to speed bomb, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Dave, if someone's had paranormal experiences or a
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Speaker 1: Well, that makes it really easy, and of course I'm
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Speaker 1: As well, so that'll make it that much easier yet.
Speaker 1: But having said that, Dave, I can't thank you enough
Speaker 1: for coming on and not only sharing the details of
Speaker 1: that experience with us, but just for being here. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yep, thank you for the invite and this was great.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Well, you're welcome, it's been fun. Thanks again for your time,
Speaker 1: and have a great night. That's it for another episode
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