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<v Speaker 1>If you've had a big Foot sighting and would like

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<v Speaker 1>to be a guest, please go to bigfoote witness dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and let me know.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is David Reagan, and my whole life has been,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, about the paranormal and so you know, from

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<v Speaker 2>an early age, I actually started being able to see

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<v Speaker 2>spirits and things like that. So I've had a lifelong

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<v Speaker 2>quest for this kinds of things. That that's why, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a podcast that that we talk about all

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<v Speaker 2>these things, from UFOs to Bigfoot. And so the night

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<v Speaker 2>that this all started and this all happened, the wife

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<v Speaker 2>and I were long We used to be long haul

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<v Speaker 2>truck drabbers, and so what we did is is she

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<v Speaker 2>drove dayshift. Usually about the time it got dark, she

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<v Speaker 2>would stop driving and then I would take over and

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<v Speaker 2>I do all the night shift driving. And we were

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<v Speaker 2>going towards Seattle, Washington. So we was on I ninety

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington when all this happened. We did our normal

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she gets out, does what she needs to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, gets ready to go to bed. She goes

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<v Speaker 2>to bed. Nice take. I'll start driving down nine ninety

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<v Speaker 2>about this time. I don't know, it's probably about eleven

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock at night, somewhere close to there. It's a typical

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<v Speaker 2>night for there. You know, it's not too bad, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was a fog bank that was probably four cars

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<v Speaker 2>or so away, So you if a car was about

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<v Speaker 2>four cars away from you, you'd be able to see

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<v Speaker 2>just their break lines. You wouldn't be able to make

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<v Speaker 2>anything else out. You wouldn't be able to make out

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of car or vehicle it was. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm just driving about sixty five miles an

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<v Speaker 2>hours is the speed limit down through there. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the slow lane, just cruising, like I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>planning on getting getting there and getting a few hours

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<v Speaker 2>of sleep before we have to unload in the next morning.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we're as I'm driving, something catches me out

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<v Speaker 2>of the out of the side of my eye, out

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<v Speaker 2>of the left side of my eye, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>turn and I look, and as I turn and look,

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the median of the road is Bigfoot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's enormous. You know. Uh. This area that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at is just before you get you know, up to

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<v Speaker 2>the big mountains like snow Qualmie and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and but it is pretty heavily wooded and really hilly

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<v Speaker 2>and mountainous. I would say, you would, you know, here

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<v Speaker 2>in East Tennessee where I live, it would be a hill,

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<v Speaker 2>but but there there it's a mountain. And he came

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<v Speaker 2>out of that, out of the woods, out of the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the of the road there in between the

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<v Speaker 2>two interstates. And as he crosses over again, I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five. He's right at that fog bank area, and

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<v Speaker 2>he takes about three steps that I could see. And

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<v Speaker 2>as he takes that third step and goes up the hill,

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<v Speaker 2>I still do not make it to him. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that I have probably thought about more than

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<v Speaker 2>anything is the size and the mass and how fast

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<v Speaker 2>these creatures are. It's almost impossible to fathom how big

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<v Speaker 2>these things are, and still how fast they could move.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that if I would have pulled over in

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<v Speaker 2>my semi truck, I could have rolled down the window

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<v Speaker 2>and had a face to face conversation with this SaaS quatch.

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<v Speaker 2>He was that big, probably almost as wide as the

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<v Speaker 2>front end of the trug. And I think when my

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<v Speaker 2>lights hit him, he was probably a darker color. It

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<v Speaker 2>happened so fast my eyes were I was sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>wondering like is this real? You know what I mean, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe this is happening to me right now,

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<v Speaker 2>And so he passes in front of me, and the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing I'm thinking is just that I cannot believe

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<v Speaker 2>this is happening. And I probably drive down the road

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<v Speaker 2>for ten or fifteen minutes just asking myself, did I

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<v Speaker 2>just see what I just saw? I mean, that's it,

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<v Speaker 2>just is this what I saw? And so the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I do is I have a really good friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine around here. His name is Matt, and he

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<v Speaker 2>runs East Tennessee Bigfoot, and I text him like you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't believe what I just saw, and it being eleven

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock there, so it was three hours later here in

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<v Speaker 2>East Tennessee. But he answered me back and he's like congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, over the years of thinking about this,

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<v Speaker 2>because this happened, I would say, six years ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hear other people tell their stories and their stories,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess you can say that there is

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<v Speaker 2>all there's a thread that kind of runs through all

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<v Speaker 2>of these stories. And most people are pretty fascinated with

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<v Speaker 2>with how big these creatures are and again how fast

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<v Speaker 2>they can move. It's pretty amazing if you ask me. So,

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<v Speaker 2>this experience as me where you know, I've thought about

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<v Speaker 2>it over the years, and I think this is one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that has pushed into my podcast itself, is the

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to learn more about this creature. And so this

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<v Speaker 2>is something that I'm pretty you know, excited to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of and excited to be part of. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the few people who can say that they've actually seen

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<v Speaker 2>one of these beings or one of these creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>You're definitely a member of an elite fraternity. There isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a denying that, sir. Was that citing the main motivating

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<v Speaker 1>factor behind why you created your podcast? Asked her were

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<v Speaker 1>those paranormal experiences you've had all of your life? The

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<v Speaker 1>main reason why.

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<v Speaker 2>The paranormal experiences, I would say, are why I started

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, and because we started it originally in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we've had to change names over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was mainly the paranormal experiences is what

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<v Speaker 2>got me into the podcast. But this has driven me

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<v Speaker 2>closer to want to know even more about a bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of this. You know, the script it is pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the word amazing doesn't do it justice, It really doesn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>before I ask you questions about your experience there, what

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<v Speaker 1>more can you tell us about your podcast? You've got

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<v Speaker 1>me wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we talk about everything from UFOs, tops to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have psychics and stuff that come on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We we like to delve deep into all these topics

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<v Speaker 2>because it's funny after you've done this for so many

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<v Speaker 2>years and then you probably could understand this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you start seeing how it seems like some things are

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<v Speaker 2>intertwined with each other, even though they seem like totally

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<v Speaker 2>different experiences, they are maybe somehow connected. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a search that we're definitely looking looking at

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<v Speaker 2>and looking towards.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about pureanormal phenomena. A lot of people who are

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<v Speaker 1>in the crypto community and are into UFOs and ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that, preanormal things in general. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people like that believe that the more you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about pure and normal phenomena, the more likely you are

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<v Speaker 1>to cause more phenomena like that to be drawn to you.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your opinions on that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know it could be true because you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe in in manifestation or manifesting and so if you

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<v Speaker 2>dwell on something long enough, you can actually manifest that

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<v Speaker 2>to come to you. So that could be whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at you know, doctor Stephen Greer

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<v Speaker 2>and his CE five where he says he could call

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, these ships and all these kinds of things,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a kind of a type of manifesting, right. They're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there going through these things to where they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to manifest this stuff to happen in the paranormal world.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been case studies done on that where they've gone

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<v Speaker 2>into a place that wasn't haunted and then for weeks

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<v Speaker 2>they manifested. Right. They would sit there and they would

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<v Speaker 2>think about the type of ghosts that would be there,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole nine yard. They would set it up and

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<v Speaker 2>they would just think about it all the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>they would manifest this. When they would go back to

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<v Speaker 2>research that place again, every bell would be hit. There

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<v Speaker 2>would be the lady that died, her son at two

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<v Speaker 2>had died from whatever. Everything they set up actually happened

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<v Speaker 2>that came through somehow with an EEDP or some piece

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<v Speaker 2>of equipment. So, you know, I really do think that

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<v Speaker 2>you can manifest things into your life, and so you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be careful and understand that and also understand

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<v Speaker 2>how to if you do something like that, how to

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<v Speaker 2>get it to where these things you could also tell

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<v Speaker 2>them to leave in the same manner.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that definitely working against people who have

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<v Speaker 1>traumatic experiences with these things, because naturally they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>think about whatever is haunting them or tormenting them all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and if that's the case, it's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to draw those entities right to them. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be horrible, yes, sir, Yes, sir. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny because you get a lot of that in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these cases. You know that Jason and

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<v Speaker 2>I go to a lot because we do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more residential stuff than we do anything else. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>people who are actually in need, and then you dig deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of times it is people that have

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<v Speaker 2>had something happen and then they're you know, running this

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<v Speaker 2>through their mind all the time, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really they're doubling down on the manifestation of these

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<v Speaker 2>entities into their life.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you know, a lot of those people have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how to handle it, which is even more unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. YEA told us that you've had pure

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<v Speaker 1>normal experiences since you're a kid. I think I know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to this question. But then again, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what they say happens when you assume, you see that

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<v Speaker 1>as being a good thing or a bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, you know. So it started for me when I

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<v Speaker 2>was three years old and I actually started seeing ghosts,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like real people. They weren't like Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>likes to preturn them and see through or they look

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, they've been you know, blood on them

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. They look like real people. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what was scary to me as a three year

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<v Speaker 2>old is I'd wake up in my bedroom and they'd

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<v Speaker 2>be four or five people standing around my bed looking

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<v Speaker 2>at me. So I'd jump up front out of the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>screaming and yelling, and of course no one else in

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<v Speaker 2>the house could see these these things. And this happened

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<v Speaker 2>all the way up to her about the time I

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<v Speaker 2>was five. Then. You know, we were really heavy into

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<v Speaker 2>church when I was a kid, and you know, my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, would talk to the pastor or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>he would pull me aside. I remember him pulling me

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<v Speaker 2>aside a few times and saying, David, what you have

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<v Speaker 2>as a gift, and all I could think of was

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny. But all I could think of them was

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<v Speaker 2>do you want it? I do not want this. This,

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a gift. Now, being as old as

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<v Speaker 2>I am and still being able to see these things,

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<v Speaker 2>I find it. It's fascinating. And that's why on the

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal side of what we do. You know, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a hunt because I already know that. I

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<v Speaker 2>know for a fact, like I know Bigfoot's real. I

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<v Speaker 2>know these things are real and that they exist because

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<v Speaker 2>I could see them daily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a unique I'm not sure I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to call it a gift, but it is a unique ability.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nobility. I don't know I could ever get used to.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't. My opinion of a bad night is

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<v Speaker 1>getting too hot and not being able to sleep. But

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<v Speaker 1>you take that to a whole new level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's you know, my wife from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a few years back, had an experience where something she

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and so I was still on the road

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<v Speaker 2>and she was here at the house and something spoke

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<v Speaker 2>bed and she could almost feel a breath. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>no one else was here in the house, and so

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<v Speaker 2>she calls me up, just hysterical, you know, just thinking

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<v Speaker 2>she's lost her mind. She's just she's hysterical. And I

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<v Speaker 2>had to calm her down and I said, welcome, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you've had your first experience, your first real experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I said. The problem is and this is what I

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<v Speaker 2>can say that this is something that if it happens

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<v Speaker 2>to anybody that's listening to this need my words. Do

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<v Speaker 2>not try to rationalize the irrational. You will drive yourself crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to happen. Your rational mind cannot wrap

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<v Speaker 2>around irrational things. So let it be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that sounds like good advice. I mean, the universe

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<v Speaker 1>definitely does operate by different rules and what we think

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<v Speaker 1>it does. So yeah, I think that's a good way

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<v Speaker 1>to sum it up. Have all of your paranormal experiences

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<v Speaker 1>been positive or have some of them involved malevolent entities too?

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<v Speaker 2>So we had a case of a little girl that

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<v Speaker 2>was getting tormented is what I'll say, by a being.

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<v Speaker 2>Eyed children, Oh yeah, phenomenon. So she I asked her

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<v Speaker 2>to draw me a picture of what this thing looked like, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that kept coming to her, and it kept coming to her,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get her to hurt her sister. And so

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<v Speaker 2>she drew me a photo or a picture. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>She was nine years old, and actually it was a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good picture too. But it was a little girl

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<v Speaker 2>with these dark black eyes, and she had her mouth

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<v Speaker 2>wide open, and it had like ray rose on top

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<v Speaker 2>and bottom of like shark teeth. And she said, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what comes and yells and screams at her. So

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<v Speaker 2>we knew the family pretty decently, and so they asked

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<v Speaker 2>me to come and take a look. So I went

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<v Speaker 2>down there and did a preliminary investigation and that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I asked, you know, her to draw a photo for

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<v Speaker 2>me and everything. And I'm more than sure that I

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<v Speaker 2>found that it was attached to an object in that

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<v Speaker 2>little girl's room. And what made me really sure was

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I asked the mother was there a

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<v Speaker 2>time that she didn't have this happening to her? She

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, there's about three months. And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>was this specific piece of furniture here or around her

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<v Speaker 2>or even in the house at that time, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, no, it was actually in storage. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty sure that I had got it down

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<v Speaker 2>to what this thing was attached to, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of secondhand furniture that they had bought. And

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<v Speaker 2>so what I was going to do is my partner

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<v Speaker 2>that does you know the podcast with me, Jason. I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to have him come in and do his

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<v Speaker 2>own investigation the next day, so then you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>can see if what we get collaborates with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I took that photo home with me. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time, Jason and I worked together at the same place.

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<v Speaker 2>So I took the photo, I laid it on top

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<v Speaker 2>of a microwave, went took the shower, and everything, got

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<v Speaker 2>ready to go to work. And I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Jason about, you know, some of the stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but leave out the facts, right, like what I found

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<v Speaker 2>and what I thought. And so when I went to

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<v Speaker 2>go get the photo, the photo was missing. It was

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<v Speaker 2>not setting where I put it, and so I asked

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<v Speaker 2>the wife. I was like, Hey, that photo I put

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<v Speaker 2>right here, do you know where it is? And she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't touching that photo. And so I started looking

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<v Speaker 2>around and opened up the cabinets, and two cabinets above

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<v Speaker 2>where I had put it was that photo. It was

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<v Speaker 2>setting there, and so I was like, okay, you were

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<v Speaker 2>put we're playing games. So I folded, put it in

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<v Speaker 2>my wallet, went to work, came back home. Three o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning. I'm in bed. Drop back home. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in bed. Right outside of our bedroom door in the

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<v Speaker 2>hallway was an alarm, a smoke alarm, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>the kind that's actually wired in right, didn't have a battery,

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<v Speaker 2>and so three o'clock in the morning, that thing just

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<v Speaker 2>starts just going off as much as it could. I

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<v Speaker 2>jumped up out of bed, opened up the door, and

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<v Speaker 2>ran into the hall. As soon as I stepped into

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<v Speaker 2>the hallway, it stops, and I'm like, oh, said I

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<v Speaker 2>know who you are. And I said, I didn't invite

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<v Speaker 2>you to my home. You must leave. You've got to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>got to get out of here. And I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>am going to get you out of that little girl's life.

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<v Speaker 2>So the next morning woke up again, Jason was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to come over and do an investigation. That next day.

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<v Speaker 2>The family, again these were from my son, played with

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<v Speaker 2>the their son, and so we knew each other. Pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>They stopped answering their door, they stopped answering their phone.

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<v Speaker 2>We never got to go in and finish that investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>And the sad thing is is that I know I

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<v Speaker 2>could have got rid of it. I think it knew

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<v Speaker 2>I could have got rid of it. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>tried to come to my house and intimidate me. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>we lived literally across the street from these people, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, that was probably the worst that's that

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<v Speaker 2>we have ever had to deal with of while doing

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff. And the worst part of it

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<v Speaker 2>for me is that we never got to finish the

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<v Speaker 2>work because they stopped all communications with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's got to be so frustrating, so close but

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<v Speaker 1>yet so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure sounds like it. A lot of people think

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<v Speaker 1>sasquatch or spiritual beings, not knowing what your mindset is

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<v Speaker 1>on that, Dave, do you think your sighting was related

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<v Speaker 1>to all the paranormal experiences you've had or totally unrelated.

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<v Speaker 2>It may be. You know, the Native Americans believe that

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<v Speaker 2>they walked in both worlds, that they were both physical

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<v Speaker 2>and they were spiritual beings, and so you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that with me having that same mindset that that

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<v Speaker 2>might have and why I had the siding that I had.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is something that you know, I've thought of

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<v Speaker 2>over the years about it too, you know, because why

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<v Speaker 2>do only so few people get to see these things?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are a lot of questions like that that

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<v Speaker 1>really do make you wonder. I think there's a really

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<v Speaker 1>strong possibility that they are spiritual beings. I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of that, there's a very well known Sasquatch investigator

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<v Speaker 1>named Tim Koomba Baker who's done a lot of research

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<v Speaker 1>into the possibility that these things are the nephylum. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that in mind, I'm wondering, did you know about

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<v Speaker 1>all the work he's done with a show far to

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<v Speaker 1>try to test that theory?

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<v Speaker 2>No, what I do not.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's all right, Let's see what's the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to package this. There's a lot to share. The gist

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<v Speaker 1>of what he has been doing or he did. He

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<v Speaker 1>stopped doing that work now he doesn't feel that it's safe,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could understand why when you listen to him

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<v Speaker 1>explain all the work he's done and what's happened and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>But the gist of it is he got with a

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<v Speaker 1>religious scholar, several religious scholars, and after doing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of research, he started to wonder if these guys were

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<v Speaker 1>the Nefhilum or somehow related to the now so to

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<v Speaker 1>test that theory, what he wound up doing was he

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<v Speaker 1>wound up getting his hands on the show far, which

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<v Speaker 1>is basically a cou Do horn. If I remember right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's either an orgs horn or a cou Do horn.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a cu Do horn. And he spent

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<v Speaker 1>a long time learning how to blow it properly. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he said he practiced until he had blisters on

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<v Speaker 1>his lips, but I think it took him over a

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<v Speaker 1>year to be competent at being able to blow it correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was guided by I think a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>the religious scholars that he reached out to trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find out exactly what the proper way to blow that

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<v Speaker 1>sho far was. Well, once they told him that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he had learned how to properly blow it, he thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to take this into the field and test

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<v Speaker 1>my theory. Well, they explained to him what he would

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<v Speaker 1>need to do to test that theory, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>he did. Well, basically every place that he went experienced

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<v Speaker 1>as he is with Sasquatch, he knew the right places

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<v Speaker 1>to go to find them to test that theory. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>every place he wound up going, and he went to

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<v Speaker 1>multiple states to test this theory. Every place he went

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<v Speaker 1>and blew that show far they were drawn to him.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that they would come. I can't remember how

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<v Speaker 1>many he said would show up, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them would just show up. All he had to do

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<v Speaker 1>was just wait and they would just show up in

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<v Speaker 1>big numbers. Well, they did everything he said. They did

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<v Speaker 1>everything that the religious scholars said they would do if

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<v Speaker 1>they were Nephlum. So since he tested that theory in

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<v Speaker 1>multiple states and got the same results time after time,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that does lend a lot of credence to

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that they are Nephylon. What are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. I'm going to have to do some research

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<v Speaker 2>on this. But with that being said, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>would think absolutely, you know them being Nephelin. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny though, because you know, a lot of people believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the flood is what wiped all those things away,

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<v Speaker 2>but but I don't believe that that that but that

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<v Speaker 2>actually did wipe them all the way and that they

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<v Speaker 2>are still here. And I've heard multiple you know theories

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<v Speaker 2>of people talking about you know, these things possibly being

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<v Speaker 2>nephelin and so I think that, uh, with with that

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<v Speaker 2>guy doing the you know, the blowings of that of

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<v Speaker 2>that horn and and that so far and getting those

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of results, that would be amazing. So I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 2>this guy isn't putting this out how he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he He's not. Yeah, Once he started talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this work he had been doing, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>started trying to procure show fars so they could go

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<v Speaker 1>out learn how to blow them, and then go out

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<v Speaker 1>and do the same things that he had done. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The religious scholars warned him that it said that angels

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<v Speaker 1>are basically going to call upon the end times by

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<v Speaker 1>coming down to earth and blowing a show far or

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<v Speaker 1>show fars to bring on the beasts, to let the

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<v Speaker 1>beasts of the world know that it's time to start

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<v Speaker 1>doing what they were put here to do. So, with

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<v Speaker 1>that in mind, seeing how effective the show far was

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<v Speaker 1>at bringing in the sasquatch I guess aka Nephelum, he

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<v Speaker 1>was afraid that if he blew that horn wrong or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever did this or did that wrong, he might call

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<v Speaker 1>on the end of the world himself or something approaching that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it didn't take too long I guess before

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<v Speaker 1>he realized he was playing with fire. So he decided

420
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<v Speaker 1>to just stop all activities like that. Well, there are

421
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people out there who are still doing

422
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that thing, that sort of activity to this day. I

423
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.799
<v Speaker 1>hope none of them cause any type of fallout that

424
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like not being able to put the

425
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>genie back into the bottle. I sure hope none of

426
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.039
<v Speaker 1>them ever do anything that causes a sort of problem

427
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>like that for us. But I mean, you can take

428
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>a horse to water, but you know what they say

429
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>about the rest, that's.

430
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, No, And that's that's a that's interesting, and that's

431
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 2>an interesting take on it too, And like you said,

432
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>that puts another spin on it. And that makes it

433
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to where you wonder, if they do hit the proper

434
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>note or whatever it is, you know, are they going

435
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to cause the end times? And that would be pretty

436
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.799
<v Speaker 2>terrible to think that just because he was out trying

437
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.759
<v Speaker 2>to pull in a sassquatch called the end of Times.

438
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh, no doubt, no doubt. What gets me is if

439
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>none of these people knew what they were risking or

440
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>potentially risking. That'd be one thing, But there's so many

441
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:13.079
<v Speaker 1>of these people out there doing that and they know

442
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>full well that they're possibly risking that, but they still

443
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 1>do it. And Yeah, like you just touched on why

444
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 1>do that if you know that you might be risking that?

445
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I just I don't understand that at all.

446
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I never will.

447
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.559
<v Speaker 2>No, It's funny because when you talk about that, it's

448
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>also kind of like when we became the nuclear age,

449
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.759
<v Speaker 2>right when they first was going to split the ad

450
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>on what they say, they said, well, may start a

451
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>chain reaction that destroys the universe, let's do it anyway.

452
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and so it's like, you know what's going

453
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>on in our minds where we're like, you know what,

454
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:00.759
<v Speaker 2>let's push the red button an it's flashing.

455
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense. It

456
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>really doesn't. Now, were you interested in sasquatch free of

457
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that sighting? And if so, did you instantly realize what

458
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 1>it was that you're looking at when you saw them?

459
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You know, I was really interested in it a

460
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 2>lot from a Native American standpoint, and how the Native Americans,

461
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, have seen these creatures for hundreds and thousands

462
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.599
<v Speaker 2>of years. And then when you start going through and

463
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.359
<v Speaker 2>seeing all the accounts you know that we have in

464
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>print from the seventeen hundreds on up and everything. I

465
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>was really really interested in these things and wondered about

466
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the Patty film. Right You're like, you

467
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>see the Patty film and then you see all the

468
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>stuff that's going on with it right now. But you know,

469
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>all the people who said, oh, that can't be a costume,

470
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>and because you could see these muscles flexing and all

471
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. I've been you know, in and out and

472
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>through this a lot. But then when I saw it,

473
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 2>when it passed in front of me and I got

474
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:23.759
<v Speaker 2>that full, you know, side view of it going, I

475
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:29.599
<v Speaker 2>was in awe, you know. It. It was like one

476
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 2>of those moments where time slows down almost And so

477
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting there looking at this thing as it

478
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>came through and you know, on the other side of me.

479
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 2>So it went from my driver's side, you know, over

480
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 2>to the passenger side, and then it went up this hill.

481
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>There's this big old hill that was over there on

482
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>the other side. When it got over there, and it

483
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>was already way up that hill by the time I

484
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>got to it, And again, you know, it was no

485
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>more than carlinks away from me. And so yeah, you know,

486
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the studying that I had done and all the research

487
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 2>I had done over the years before that, I think

488
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>helped me in coping with the fact that I saw it,

489
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 2>But it still didn't didn't stop the fact that it

490
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.480
<v Speaker 2>makes like what happened to my wife. You know, your

491
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 2>your rational mind is trying to say you didn't see that,

492
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're fighting that rational side of your brain saying, no, now,

493
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I know what I just saw, you know, So it

494
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>was it was an amazing, amazing thing.

495
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure it was. I don't doubt that. And

496
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>you just called it an amazing experience, which brings us

497
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>to the next question, which is due to all those

498
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 1>paranormal experiences you've been used to having since you were

499
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 1>a kid, I'm sure it took a lot to move

500
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 1>the needle with you with regards to seeing that asquatch, though,

501
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Does seeing him move the needle more for you than

502
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>any of the prior paranormal experiences you'd had, or were

503
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>there other experiences with the paranormal that moved it more?

504
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Being that I've seen the paranormal for most of my life.

505
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 2>It's hard for the paranormal to move the meter because

506
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were down at the battlefields here in

507
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee and it's actually in Georgia, right at the border

508
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.960
<v Speaker 2>of Tennessee and Georgia. There the second blood bloodiest battle

509
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 2>in the Civil War. And I saw a Civil War

510
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>soldier sitting there waving a hat at me, like telling

511
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>me to come here. Wow. And of course no one

512
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 2>else could see it, of course, but you know, for me,

513
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, you see that, and then no one

514
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.799
<v Speaker 2>else does, and I'm just like, okay, never find and

515
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>because sometimes it's I will say all the time, it's

516
00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>so realistic looking. It doesn't look like a ghost that

517
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.799
<v Speaker 2>if another person walked the side of it, I would

518
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>just think there's just another person standing there. That's how

519
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>real these the spirits looked to me. And so being

520
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 2>used to that my whole life, it's really hard for

521
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 2>that needle to move. But when I saw this, it

522
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 2>was confirmation, That's what I'll say. It was confirmation to

523
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>something that I believed was real from just the evidence,

524
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>the anecdotal evidence of the people's you know, testimony, and

525
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:41.319
<v Speaker 2>their witnessing of what happened to them and then seeing it.

526
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 2>It was a a ha moment And it definitely made

527
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that meter. It made its spike because it took me

528
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty miles of driving down the road before I realized,

529
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>but not real before I came to terms with what

530
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I just saw.

531
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure it did. I don't doubt that at all.

532
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Was your wife upset about not being able to see

533
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>him by being in the back of sleep.

534
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely. When she woke up the next morning and

535
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I told her what had happened, she was like, are

536
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 2>you are you kidding me? And I was like, oh,

537
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding you. I saw what I saw, And

538
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 2>so she was like, man, you know, if I would

539
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.679
<v Speaker 2>have just stayed up a little bit later. But anybody

540
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>that knows my wife, when it gets dark, she's ready

541
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.440
<v Speaker 2>to pay it. She doesn't stay up.

542
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just one of those things. You might not

543
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 1>have seen anything if she would have stayed up. It's

544
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 1>hard to say.

545
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 2>And that is possible, you know. And what would have

546
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 2>been neat is if she was up and then I

547
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 2>was able to see this thing and she wasn't, then

548
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I would have been able to say, okay, you know,

549
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 2>is this a spirit form or you know it would

550
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.199
<v Speaker 2>have I would have been able to get some other

551
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>questions that I have answered.

552
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.559
<v Speaker 1>You know that you would have, but it's just one

553
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>of those things. It didn't happen that way. So all

554
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>you can do is.

555
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Wonder, yes, sir, that's all you could do.

556
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Did he move in what you would describe

557
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>as being a strange way or did he move the

558
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 1>way you'd expect a large human to move.

559
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 2>What was funny is that the way he moved was

560
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the way you would see a running back in football run.

561
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>So he was he was moving, and like I said,

562
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>from this, you know, I'm ninety down through there. It's

563
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 2>a it's a two lane interstate. And so he was

564
00:35:56.239 --> 00:36:00.199
<v Speaker 2>from the shoulder of the road to the other shower

565
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>of the road in about three steps and then was

566
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 2>back up, was going back up the other side. So

567
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>he was moving.

568
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 1>He must have been moving. He had to move that fast. Yeah,

569
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>he said, he was about as wide as the front

570
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 1>of your rig. Did his mask seem to hinder his

571
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>movements at all? I know he was moving really fast,

572
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>But did he seem to be hindered at all by

573
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.599
<v Speaker 1>being so large.

574
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>He didn't and that that was one of the parts,

575
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, when when I saw that and it kept

576
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>replaying through my mind. That's one of the things that

577
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I had a hard time resolving, right, was the fact

578
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>of how big he was, but yet how nimble and

579
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 2>quick he seemed to be at the same time. That

580
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>was something to me that was just amazing. That's something

581
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 2>that large would move back quickly, and you know, it

582
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>just brings you back to where you listen to other

583
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>people's stories and they're there one second and then they're

584
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>gone another. Well, I'll tell you these things they can move,

585
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.599
<v Speaker 2>and if they can be me doing sixty five miles

586
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>an hour down the road across a two lane road

587
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>and then be back up the other side, I can

588
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.840
<v Speaker 2>see how they could just seem to disappear.

589
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>There are just so many things about them that just

590
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 1>defy explanation. I mean, it seems like they have a

591
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>cheat code to do a lot of the things they do.

592
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 1>They're so big, but they're so fast, and they can

593
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 1>be so nimble and jump so high and do all

594
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 1>these things. Like I said, it almost seems like they

595
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.079
<v Speaker 1>have a cheat code or something.

596
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, there's a guy that lives here in

597
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 2>our area, and we have a place down the road

598
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 2>that most people in this area that have lived here

599
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 2>for a while know about. And it's a booger sighting

600
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 2>place right so where people have seen bigfoot and stuff,

601
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:22.519
<v Speaker 2>and he talks about seeing one. But it was when

602
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>it decided to start running. So it was doing the

603
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 2>whole thing where you walk and then it walks beside you,

604
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 2>that whole thing, and when you stop, it stopped. And

605
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.360
<v Speaker 2>it was late at night. He was walking down this

606
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 2>little beady road. This road is small, but all of

607
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, this thing decided to take off running. And

608
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 2>then when it stopped and it started running back towards them,

609
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 2>it went from being bipedal to him actually being quadrupedal

610
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:59.559
<v Speaker 2>and running back towards them. And you know, that's a

611
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.599
<v Speaker 2>pretty fascinating thing too that you hear sometimes.

612
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, there are so many fascinating things about these guys. Yeah,

613
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>take your pick. If there is one question you could

614
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 1>have answered about sasquatch, Dave, what question would you want

615
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to know the answer to, I'll.

616
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Say, I'll I'll be pretty fascinated with knowing how they

617
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 2>remain elusive, because I think if we can learn that,

618
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>then we could learn a lot about these creatures, because

619
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:43.480
<v Speaker 2>then we would know, you know, some of their habits,

620
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>because I think it's something that's in their habits that

621
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.360
<v Speaker 2>causes them to be as elusive as they are.

622
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.519
<v Speaker 1>You can definitely explain the way their ability to disappear

623
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>if they were just masters of the forest in a

624
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of cases. But on the other hand, there are

625
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot lot of other credible eyewitnesses who've reported things

626
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>where you can't explain away what they did by just saying, Okay, well,

627
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>they're just masterful at using the things in the forest

628
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>to conceal themselves or whatnot. I mean, people have seen

629
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<v Speaker 1>credible eyewitnesses have reported seeing these things just run into

630
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<v Speaker 1>thickets and they disappear into the thicket and not a

631
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<v Speaker 1>single leaf moved, and they report seeing them do other things.

632
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think you could explain away their

633
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<v Speaker 1>existence and being able to do the things that they

634
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<v Speaker 1>do without coming to the conclusion that they are spiritual

635
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<v Speaker 1>at least in some capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You know, it's the trackway that just stops in

637
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<v Speaker 2>the middle of a clearing. Where did where did the

638
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<v Speaker 2>rest of the footprints go? You know, all these different

639
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 2>things that you see. You know, you hear of people

640
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>being out in the woods, and then all of a

641
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:57.920
<v Speaker 2>sudden they would have the smell of ozone, and then

642
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden there would be a big sighting.

643
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 2>They would hear these metal doors slamming or sounding like

644
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 2>they're opening or closing, and a lot of times end

645
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>up having a bigfoot encounter. And so you know, what,

646
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<v Speaker 2>what is the what is that stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

648
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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the amazing part. I think that's what the

649
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 2>natives were talking about. You know when they when they

650
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<v Speaker 2>say that these things are are spiritual, I don't think that.

651
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<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know. It's it's hard to think

652
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<v Speaker 2>what they actually thought about it. But to me, when

653
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<v Speaker 2>they say that they walk in both worlds, it almost

654
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<v Speaker 2>seems interdimensional. It almost seems like they can go from

655
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<v Speaker 2>here to somewhere else and and that other place we

656
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<v Speaker 2>can't see, you know. Uh, but this, you know that

657
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<v Speaker 2>that part of the topic could go really really deep.

658
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they can really deep. When that big old boy

659
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>passed in front of you, was he looking at you

660
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<v Speaker 1>or looking elsewhere?

661
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<v Speaker 2>When he was running through there or running across the

662
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 2>road right there, he was looking straight ahead, like like

663
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even matter. Yeah, yeah, that was another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not like he was he kind of

665
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 2>looked over at me or anything. I was like, oh man,

666
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>this guy might run me up for nothing, Like I

667
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't even I didn't even matter. I was a bug on,

668
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, find in his ear or something. I guess

669
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<v Speaker 2>he knew that he could beat me across the road.

670
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing I could think of. That is

671
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 2>why he didn't look. But you know, the good thing

672
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 2>about the truck I was driving is that it actually

673
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<v Speaker 2>had those really bright led lights. So you know, I

674
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<v Speaker 2>would be driving and have people brought me all the

675
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<v Speaker 2>time thinking that I had my bright lights on. It

676
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<v Speaker 2>was those kind of bright headlights. So I got to see,

677
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:11.800
<v Speaker 2>you know what color his hair was a little bit,

678
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he was kind of in that fog,

679
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 2>but not quite in the fog. You know, he was

680
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 2>right at that line, and like I said, it was

681
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.239
<v Speaker 2>a dark color. So it looked not I wouldn't say black,

682
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 2>but I would say a really dark brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. Thank goodness he did have those bright headlights.

684
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 1>It would have been horrible to just get a glance

685
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.199
<v Speaker 1>but not be able to see him very well, So

686
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>thank goodness for that. With that in mind, since you

687
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<v Speaker 1>got a pretty good look at him, did you look

688
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 1>well kept or disheveled?

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<v Speaker 2>He looked well kept. You know. There wasn't this wild

690
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 2>hair everywhere or nothing like that. I mean, I wouldn't

691
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<v Speaker 2>say that it looked brushed, but I mean, you know

692
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<v Speaker 2>it from the looks of it, and as quick as

693
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<v Speaker 2>I got to see him, it looked uniform, you know,

694
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<v Speaker 2>like like I wouldn't say it was brushed, but you know,

695
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty well kept for sure, and it looked

696
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<v Speaker 2>like it was pretty thick too. I didn't see any skin. Again,

697
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty close, you know, pretty quick that I

698
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>saw him, and it was a little far away, but

699
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<v Speaker 2>you know, when my lights hit him, I didn't see

700
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.760
<v Speaker 2>any different discolorations of saying, you know, I could see

701
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.400
<v Speaker 2>his skin like, his hair was not really thick or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what, Dave A strange thing I've noticed whenever

703
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I've heard an eye witness talk about seeing a big

704
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>one like that what would appear to be an alpha.

705
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Seems like in every case they look like they stepped

706
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.519
<v Speaker 1>out of a beauty parlor. Their hair is perfect and

707
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.559
<v Speaker 1>just well kept. It does make you wonder if other

708
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch maintained their hair for them somehow. Maybe that's why

709
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.159
<v Speaker 1>they look so well kept. I don't know. That's just

710
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 1>a guess, but that is a pattern that I think

711
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I've noticed.

712
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you would think something that just was a

713
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, creature living in the woods, it wouldn't be

714
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>so kept up. But I mean the hair seemed to

715
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 2>be you know, it wasn't dull, you know, because I

716
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>could see the you know, the lights in the hair.

717
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:36.559
<v Speaker 2>And again it seemed uniformed and well maintained. So you know,

718
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like we just took a bath the day

719
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>a day or two before, you know, I mean like

720
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<v Speaker 2>he was really it was like it was a very

721
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<v Speaker 2>healthy being.

722
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sure sounds like it. And it's just a guess.

723
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>But maybe being the head of the troop, maybe being

724
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the alpha means you don't have to forge, you don't

725
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>have to hunt, your food's provided for you. If so,

726
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.519
<v Speaker 1>then then make it pretty easy to stay clean and

727
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.440
<v Speaker 1>well kept like that. But that's just a guess, and

728
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't know about that. All we can do is

729
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 1>just suppose.

730
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and I would think that you know,

731
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<v Speaker 2>not trying to degrade them or to me him or

732
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 2>anything and say that they're just apes. But you know,

733
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you see it in a lot of the great apes

734
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 2>where well they'll they'll groom each other, you know, and

735
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that just part of their ritualistic you know,

736
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 2>bonding stuff. So you know that something like that may

737
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<v Speaker 2>be going on. Also, Yeah, just might be right.

738
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<v Speaker 1>It seems like they take exception to being compared to

739
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>apes to gorillas, but a lot of the things they

740
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>do are very gorilla alike, So you might be right

741
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.320
<v Speaker 1>about that. It does make you wonder. Now you made

742
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>it clear how big he was, but if you had

743
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>to guess just how tall would you say he was?

744
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>And feet and how much do you think you weighed?

745
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>He was taller than the hood of my truck, so

746
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I would say he was he was probably easily seven

747
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 2>to eight foot tall. I would say easily seven to

748
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 2>eight foot tall. And if I had to guess his weight,

749
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I would put him somewhere around seven hundred pounds, probably

750
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Speaker 2>because he was he was massive, you know, like like

751
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>what you'd see a linebacker or something. I mean, he

752
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>was just there was a big, big guy.

753
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 1>It's sure, it sounds like it and from what you're saying.

754
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 1>Just to be clear, you think that he probably could whip.

755
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Me, then maybe.

756
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know, you know, yeah, I don't want

757
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 1>to assume, you know, I don't understand that, but yeah,

758
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I don't think i'd be much of

759
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 1>a problem for him at all. Just to speed bomb, well,

760
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>it's about time for us to get out of here,

761
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.880
<v Speaker 1>but before we do, please promote paranormal for one to

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<v Speaker 1>one one more time for us and tell us how

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<v Speaker 1>we can listen to your show.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome. You know, you could connect with us at Paranormal

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766
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784
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<v Speaker 1>That makes it really easy, and so that everyone listening news.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to post those links in the description for

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<v Speaker 1>tonight's show. I'll make it even easier to find. Also too,

787
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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, Dave, if someone's had paranormal experiences or a

788
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<v Speaker 1>paranormal experience singular and they want to contact you to

789
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 1>either be a guest on your show or just to

790
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 1>get help, what's the best way for them to do that.

791
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:51.199
<v Speaker 2>They could definitely get a hold of us through our

792
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<v Speaker 2>email which is info at Paranormal fold one one dot org.

793
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<v Speaker 2>What's I NFO at Paranormal fol one one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that makes it really easy, and of course I'm

795
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<v Speaker 1>going to post that in a description for tonight's show.

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<v Speaker 1>As well, so that'll make it that much easier yet.

797
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<v Speaker 1>But having said that, Dave, I can't thank you enough

798
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<v Speaker 1>for coming on and not only sharing the details of

799
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that experience with us, but just for being here. I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, thank you for the invite and this was great.

802
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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're welcome, it's been fun. Thanks again for your time,

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<v Speaker 1>and have a great night. That's it for another episode

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807
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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening, have a great night.