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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just killing my dog. Something to kill
Speaker 2: your dog, my dog. We're flying through the or over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it. Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Mad, What are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough here. Look, I'm new to the window now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the buddy out here?
Speaker 3: What quent?
Speaker 2: I'm out there. I thought of a bit of about
Speaker 2: second foot nine. I don't know. Easy out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm working right away.
Speaker 1: I folks on a welcome my guest to the show.
Speaker 1: It is Carl from Arizona. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you very much for having me on.
Speaker 1: I am glad to have you. Let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What got you interested
Speaker 1: in the subject?
Speaker 4: To begin with, I'll rewind quite a bit. My dad
Speaker 4: was a subscriber to Argacy magazine. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you remember that. I remember an issue came out when
Speaker 4: I was a kid about this hairy person beast at
Speaker 4: that time, I'm not even sure they called it Bigfoot
Speaker 4: in that issue, but they had photos posted in there,
Speaker 4: and I was intrigued by that. Right fast forward into
Speaker 4: the seventies, when I was in school, a lot of
Speaker 4: times teacher to sign an assignment saying, conduct your own
Speaker 4: poll on a topic. Put together the numbers on that.
Speaker 4: I did that. Of course, one of my topic was
Speaker 4: do you believe in Bigfoot? But do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 4: Do you believe in UFOs? Quite a few other topics
Speaker 4: like that. That was the only kid that had that
Speaker 4: array of pulling questions. It was fascinating. I saw the
Speaker 4: in search of with the Leonard Nimoy, But in my
Speaker 4: mind it was like, there's the realm of possibility. It
Speaker 4: exists that I'd never see one in my life. They're
Speaker 4: all in northern California or Washington State or Oregon. That
Speaker 4: was at least my viewpoint at that time. I wasn't
Speaker 4: even considering Arizona, although when I was in Boy Scouts,
Speaker 4: but there was always the legend of the Mogion Monster
Speaker 4: in Arizona. The Mogian Rim is this large escarpment that
Speaker 4: cuts pretty much the state in half. It's a twenty
Speaker 4: to twenty five hundred foot rise in elevation sharply. There
Speaker 4: had been stories and legends from there about the Mogion Monster,
Speaker 4: right which it was great for telling around a campfire
Speaker 4: when you're in boy Scouts. That was about it. Nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty two, I'm up on the Rim. Everybody in Arizona
Speaker 4: just calls it the Rim, not mogianm I'm up on
Speaker 4: the Rim camping with two of my high school buddies.
Speaker 4: We had actually paddled across the lake up on the Rim,
Speaker 4: so we're camping on the far side, three guys in
Speaker 4: a tent. We fished a little bit that evening and
Speaker 4: then took some dinner, and then about ten pm we
Speaker 4: went to bed. Three am in the morning, something howls
Speaker 4: unbelievably loud. You could just feel it in your chest.
Speaker 4: It sounded like it was one hundred yards away. If
Speaker 4: that pitch black darkness. Three guys roll out of the
Speaker 4: tent at three am trying to decide to just leave
Speaker 4: everything and get in the boat and go row across
Speaker 4: the lake. We stood out there for a few minutes
Speaker 4: trying to set it, until finally we had convinced ourselves
Speaker 4: it must have been a large coyote. Maybe it was
Speaker 4: a wolf, but of course at that time the Mexican
Speaker 4: gray wolf hadn't been introduced to Arizonia. So went back
Speaker 4: to bed. Didn't think anything of that. Over time, I
Speaker 4: did plenty of hiking trips into wilderness areas, and there
Speaker 4: was always some odd things that happened at camp and
Speaker 4: everything that was strange. Didn't really recognize that it was
Speaker 4: anything special, just unusual and took note of it, but
Speaker 4: shrugged it off and went about our way. Jump ahead
Speaker 4: to two thousand and eight. I'm sitting in my living
Speaker 4: room with my son watching TV. Messing with Sasquatch commercial
Speaker 4: comes on. It's the one where the Sasquatches walking alongside
Speaker 4: the road. They stopped the car and they're like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 4: want to ride. They keep teasing him until he tosses
Speaker 4: one of the passenger out of the car. I start
Speaker 4: laughing my ass off because it was pretty funny. My
Speaker 4: son just sat there he's sixteen at the time. He's
Speaker 4: thirty three. Now, gosh, he's sitting there and didn't laugh.
Speaker 4: I said, how could you not be laughing? That was hilarious.
Speaker 4: He says, Dad, Bigfoot's not real. It's been proven not
Speaker 4: to be real. I said, really, you're sixteen years older,
Speaker 4: that jaded that something has to be reality in order
Speaker 4: for you to take it even humorously. And how do
Speaker 4: you know that they're not I said, they've never been
Speaker 4: proven not real or not. He was like, oh, yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: it had, Yes it had. I said, okay, let's go
Speaker 4: online look and he was like, oh, the BBC ran
Speaker 4: a special on that that showed how they replicated it perfectly.
Speaker 4: So I found a website that actually showed the BBC
Speaker 4: recreation versus the Patterson Gimblin film. I could see the
Speaker 4: look on his face was like, that's not even close.
Speaker 4: How can they say that they had replicated it? So
Speaker 4: I said, I'll tell you this. In nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 4: I tell him the story about this howl and he goes,
Speaker 4: come on, Dad in Arizona. I said, I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's always the legend of the Moogian Monster. I can't
Speaker 4: discount it. One way or the other until I, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of opened my eyes a little bit. So I
Speaker 4: googled Bigfoot Arizona. The very first website that came up
Speaker 4: was the BA website. We went out there and I saw, oh,
Speaker 4: they've got reports by state. So the two of us
Speaker 4: sat there and reread through all the Arizona sightings, some
Speaker 4: of which are down in the desert, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: I never knew that there was these different reports. Then
Speaker 4: I saw a link to some audio and it was
Speaker 4: the Ohio howl that THEFRO had on the website. So
Speaker 4: I clicked on that. That was the second time that
Speaker 4: I heard that howl. The hairs stood up on my arms.
Speaker 4: He could see the look on my face, but it
Speaker 4: was really an absolute auditory memory. He was taken back. Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe there was something to this. I said, look, there
Speaker 4: was an expedition coming up in three weeks. I said, look,
Speaker 4: you want to see if we can get involved in
Speaker 4: that open to the woods with some crazy people, and
Speaker 4: you and I will have a good time just camping
Speaker 4: by ourselves. But who knows, maybe we'll learn something, and
Speaker 4: who knows, maybe we'll even experience something. Right, And He's Okay,
Speaker 4: So we registered went up on this expedition. So the
Speaker 4: very first night or afternoon actually Matt Moneymaker was leading
Speaker 4: that expedition. We get up there and the very first
Speaker 4: thing he's doing it tells us in the orientation session.
Speaker 4: He tells us that they're omnivores, right, And I remember
Speaker 4: in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, great, one's going to
Speaker 4: grab my son. My wife will never forgive me. And
Speaker 4: of course in my mind I'm thinking like Harry and
Speaker 4: the Hendersons right, burrying deer heads in the backyard or something.
Speaker 4: We go out that evening there had been a report
Speaker 4: that was really near where the expedition base camp had
Speaker 4: been reported not even four days prior, where a couple
Speaker 4: that had a van, their camping van attacked in the
Speaker 4: middle of the night where a large log had been
Speaker 4: thrown at it and it broke the side mirror on
Speaker 4: their camper and they ended up firing up the van
Speaker 4: and left all their stuff. So they reported this. We
Speaker 4: get over to that area. In fact, there was still
Speaker 4: broken mirror on the ground from the thing when we
Speaker 4: get there. It was early evening. By the time we
Speaker 4: got there investigate the area, it gets pitch black, dark
Speaker 4: up there. Obviously it's a dense woods. We had a
Speaker 4: large group, about twenty people, and he splits us into
Speaker 4: two groups. One group goes to the west. The other group,
Speaker 4: which I was in, we went to the east. Matt
Speaker 4: does his howl that probably everybody's seen on finding Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: I had my recorder going thankfully at the time, but
Speaker 4: we had to walk about a quarter mile and the
Speaker 4: pitch black darkness. Don't use any lights because they won't
Speaker 4: know you're there, So we're out there in the darkness.
Speaker 4: Matt howels. Probably within four seconds of him howling, a
Speaker 4: howl comes back from due north. About two seconds later
Speaker 4: another howl from the northwest, and then about maybe five
Speaker 4: to seven seconds after that, from the southwest, a distant
Speaker 4: howl came in. So there was three howls for good
Speaker 4: and I got that all red forwarded and that was
Speaker 4: one of those Eureka moments where I was like, I
Speaker 4: need to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is mad. I'm gonna give a howl in Kentucken.
Speaker 4: Suggest that was not echo. There's till that one too,
Speaker 4: So I just O, my gosh.
Speaker 1: To my twelve to.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, another one.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me.
Speaker 2: Ire people yelling back at it.
Speaker 4: No after that, I was the rest of that expedition,
Speaker 4: we heard knocks, but for the most part it was
Speaker 4: pretty quiet. And the one evening we're all it had
Speaker 4: just had a massive rainstorm. In fact that we ended
Speaker 4: up hiking into this canyon so damp. My jeans from
Speaker 4: the knees down were just as if I walked through
Speaker 4: a lake. They were really wet from all the ferns
Speaker 4: and everything. And we get to this one location and
Speaker 4: we're all kind of sitting in the darkness at the
Speaker 4: bottom of the canyon and across the meadow. We heard
Speaker 4: a couple of quick snap right, but we couldn't see anything.
Speaker 4: There was one person that had a thermal monocular. I
Speaker 4: think I had a night vision binocular. Didn't see anything,
Speaker 4: but about twenty minutes later, this kind of a red
Speaker 4: And everybody always says like they talk about eyeshine, They're like,
Speaker 4: I shine my flashlight at them, or my head lights hit. No,
Speaker 4: I'm talking there was it pitch black darkness. Nobody has
Speaker 4: a light on, and it's only starlight now branded the
Speaker 4: star It was so clear outside you could actually see
Speaker 4: the Andromeda Galaxy with your naked eye, but I see
Speaker 4: this red glow, and about eight other people saw it.
Speaker 4: Wasn't a hallucination or anything, but you could see this
Speaker 4: red glow. It wasn't bright, it was faint. It went
Speaker 4: from a reddish to an orange, little bitty yellow tinge
Speaker 4: to it, but it was bright enough to see it,
Speaker 4: and it was maybe I want to say, it's probably
Speaker 4: one hundred yards one hundred and twenty yards across this
Speaker 4: meadow at the other woodline, across the bottom of the canyon,
Speaker 4: and you could see this light, this reddish light that
Speaker 4: was very natural. The strangest part was that you could
Speaker 4: actually see leaves near the glow that were illuminated by
Speaker 4: that red light. That made me go, how was that possible?
Speaker 4: And that's really how we end up using the scientific method, Right,
Speaker 4: we have to observe. Right, you make an observation.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these.
Speaker 4: Messages, and then you put together a thesis on how
Speaker 4: am I going to describe what I saw? But after
Speaker 4: that I was hooked. Right. That was early August two
Speaker 4: thousand and eight. By the time October comes around, I
Speaker 4: decide I'll take my kids up there and we'll explore
Speaker 4: that same canyon the complex. We get up there with
Speaker 4: the kids, and by this time I had put together
Speaker 4: some remote recorders that I could hang up in trees.
Speaker 4: I'd started building a local collection. I got five of
Speaker 4: them now that I built. It was a good time.
Speaker 4: I took my nephew, my daughter, my son. We all
Speaker 4: get up there. We got hiking the entire day. I
Speaker 4: got up very early in the morning, went hiking up
Speaker 4: and down the canyons. I picked the good locations I
Speaker 4: had put up some of the recorders. I think I
Speaker 4: had three at that time. Tried to triangulate him in
Speaker 4: this canyon that I was going to do. I figured
Speaker 4: we'd come back later that night to do research. And
Speaker 4: so we get back up there, getting sunset, and we
Speaker 4: get back to camp. The kids are hungry. I cook
Speaker 4: some dinner based on BF standards. Right, you don't go
Speaker 4: out till after ten PM because they don't come out anyway.
Speaker 4: I'll get into more of my insights later. But you
Speaker 4: watched the movie on the DVD player in the vehicle,
Speaker 4: and then finally I'm like, okay, let's all head out, right,
Speaker 4: but we're driving back up to that location and my
Speaker 4: daughter's not feeling too good. So by the time we
Speaker 4: get to the location where I want to do some calls,
Speaker 4: that was my initial thought. I get up there and
Speaker 4: my daughter's I'm not feeling that great, so she stays
Speaker 4: in the car. But she was worried about staying alone.
Speaker 4: My sons, I'll stay with her. The two of them
Speaker 4: stayed in the car. I take my twelve year old
Speaker 4: nephew out into the canyon. Run the side of a canyon.
Speaker 4: It's a ledge that juts out over the canyon a
Speaker 4: little bit. There was a really large, tall dead tree there,
Speaker 4: which has since toppled over over the years, but it
Speaker 4: was perfectly hollow. And why that tree put out a
Speaker 4: great sound. So I was like, okay, and before I
Speaker 4: do a howl or anything, I'll knock first. So I
Speaker 4: knocked twice on the tree due west of us. Within
Speaker 4: I want to say, within ten seconds, there was a
Speaker 4: whoop that came back from that distance. I was like, wow, then,
Speaker 4: my nephews, are you going to whoop back? And I said,
Speaker 4: now I'm not. Let's just wait. We hang out there.
Speaker 4: I'm telling him about the night vision monocular that he
Speaker 4: has giving him instructions on how to use it, and
Speaker 4: thinks it's the coolest thing ever. So after I don't know,
Speaker 4: it was probably like fifteen twenty minutes, I did another
Speaker 4: two knocks, and this time a whoop comes back, and
Speaker 4: it's probably a thousand feet away on the other side
Speaker 4: of the canyon. Nephew's like, whispers, are you going to
Speaker 4: knock back? I go, it knows exactly where we are.
Speaker 4: After another maybe five minutes, we start hearing rock clatter
Speaker 4: coming down into the creek bed below. Because if something's
Speaker 4: coming down, everybody's heard that, you know, in the past
Speaker 4: I have said, oh, maybe that's an elk or a
Speaker 4: deer or whatever. They don't. Then you could hear something
Speaker 4: bushwhacking up the side of the canyon towards us. Then
Speaker 4: it stops. My nephew's looking through the nightsco tyrs turned on,
Speaker 4: so he's looking down there and he sees something go
Speaker 4: like that. Now it's further down the hill, so you
Speaker 4: really couldn't make out the details, but you could see
Speaker 4: a motion of something just rocking out, rocking back. He
Speaker 4: gives me the scope. I would look. I see it
Speaker 4: do it a couple of times, and then after a
Speaker 4: little bit it stops doing it. You don't see it,
Speaker 4: but you could hear just ever so slightly perceptible twig
Speaker 4: snaps and everything. Then later on I like to calling
Speaker 4: forest ninjas because I don't know how they can move
Speaker 4: through forrest litter like that and not make a lot
Speaker 4: of noise. It was coming closer, and then pretty soon
Speaker 4: it just stopped. We couldn't see it because of all
Speaker 4: the dense vegetation. There was a lot of locusts growing up.
Speaker 4: You just couldn't see through it. It was night vision only.
Speaker 4: We stood there and I was trying to decide what
Speaker 4: should I do, And I remember everybody talked about how
Speaker 4: they liked to mirror you as you're walking down a
Speaker 4: trail or whatever. They'll just move along. And I said,
Speaker 4: I got an idea. Let's walk back to the car.
Speaker 4: Because we weren't like pointing. I wasn't like going, oh,
Speaker 4: it's right there. I wasn't making any sounds. We were
Speaker 4: just standing there and the two of us talking every
Speaker 4: once in a while, whispering. I said, let's just walk
Speaker 4: back towards the car, pretend like we didn't see anything. Well,
Speaker 4: we're just going to head back to the car. When
Speaker 4: I tell you stop, as we're walking back towards the car,
Speaker 4: just stop dead in your tracks, right. So we start
Speaker 4: walking back towards the car, which was probably about one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty feet away. Get a distance away, and
Speaker 4: I said stop. We stopped completely dead, and you could
Speaker 4: hear one extra step down below us, right. I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: it's following us. I said, now, do you remember when
Speaker 4: we came out here during the daytime. You remember that
Speaker 4: section of woods where you can see all the way
Speaker 4: down to the creek bed. And he said, I remember that.
Speaker 4: And I said that's up ahead here, and I said,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be listening for any sounds in that
Speaker 4: opening where there's no vegetation. Keep the thermal camera pointed
Speaker 4: down with the infrared because at that time I suspected
Speaker 4: that they could see infrared, although that wasn't maybe proposed
Speaker 4: around two thousand and seven two eight time frames. So
Speaker 4: I said, keep the r pointed down just in case.
Speaker 4: If I hear anything, I'll tell you. Now you just
Speaker 4: swing around and look back towards the canyon down in
Speaker 4: that open area. So we're walking along and then I
Speaker 4: hear one twig snap in that open area He turns
Speaker 4: and he looks, and here's this twelve year old who's
Speaker 4: been out the way was for fifty two minutes. He says, Yep,
Speaker 4: there it is. I said, what's it doing? And he
Speaker 4: said looking at me. I said, give me the scope.
Speaker 4: So he hands me the scope and I could get
Speaker 4: it up to my eye just in time to see
Speaker 4: her take one last step before going behind a tree.
Speaker 4: I could see a left profile her left shoulder. Her
Speaker 4: arm had thrown back a little bit, so you could
Speaker 4: see a side view of a breast. She steps behind
Speaker 4: this tree, and she steps behind the tree. She grabs
Speaker 4: onto the side of the tree, so she's hanging on
Speaker 4: the tree like this. The hand is visible. Can't see
Speaker 4: her at all. You could just see the hand. We
Speaker 4: were thirty feet away from that tree where she hid behind.
Speaker 4: You could see the hand that she had. That hand
Speaker 4: on the side of the tree. At least three minutes,
Speaker 4: and it was enough for my nephew and I passing
Speaker 4: the scope back and forth looking at it, and there
Speaker 4: was slight magnificently on the night vision scope. You could
Speaker 4: see the fingernails. They were pretty rough. But the best
Speaker 4: part was that there was shorter hairs on the hand
Speaker 4: back of the hand, but you could actually see the
Speaker 4: longer hairs hanging down off of the forearm. There was
Speaker 4: just a slight breeze that night, and you could see
Speaker 4: the hairs on the forearm just waving in the air
Speaker 4: a little bit as she held that side of the tree.
Speaker 4: I don't think she realized the hand was visible. And
Speaker 4: then finally the hand came off the tree and then
Speaker 4: couldn't see her anymore. But I assumed she was there
Speaker 4: because there was no crashing. So we actually sat down,
Speaker 4: tried talking a little bit, plack some rocks together. I
Speaker 4: was trying to get a reaction, didn't hear anything. After
Speaker 4: a while, I started getting that kind of being annoyed
Speaker 4: every noise in the forest, especially behind us up the
Speaker 4: canyon wall. Was starting to wear on me because I've
Speaker 4: got my twelve year old nephew. If I thought my
Speaker 4: wife would kill me, my son was taken and eaten,
Speaker 4: boy my sister in law, I would have been in
Speaker 4: trouble there too. I decided let's pack it in for
Speaker 4: the night, so I just said bye. By the time,
Speaker 4: it felt really weird talking to the woods, but they're
Speaker 4: listening a lot, and walked back towards the car, so
Speaker 4: we get in the car. The moment we get in
Speaker 4: the car, my nephew on Cork's like a bottle of
Speaker 4: champagn runs on on telling my kids about what he
Speaker 4: just saw. And then I wanted to know exactly what
Speaker 4: he saw, because I didn't see that initial look. And
Speaker 4: he said that as he swung around and looked, he
Speaker 4: only saw the face. He looked at the face, he
Speaker 4: didn't notice that there was breasts from a front end.
Speaker 4: She was facing directly towards him. He said. Her eyes
Speaker 4: got wide and mouth went a gate. Then turned around,
Speaker 4: but he said, didn't turn the head, turned to the
Speaker 4: body and looked behind her, like, oh, there's something behind
Speaker 4: me that they're looking at. They didn't see me. How
Speaker 4: did they see me? They couldn't have seen me behind
Speaker 4: and then came back and looked right at him again.
Speaker 4: That's why I said, what's it doing? He said, looking
Speaker 4: at me, And that was about the time it turned
Speaker 4: back and was looking at him, and then it took
Speaker 4: the step over and went behind the tree. Later on
Speaker 4: we went back to the location because I was trying
Speaker 4: to figure out why she left that left hand sitting
Speaker 4: on the side of the tree. The hillside was so
Speaker 4: sloped right there with the tree I'm standing behind there.
Speaker 4: I'm six five, so I was trying to recreate exactly
Speaker 4: where the hand was on the side of the tree.
Speaker 4: The very next day, I looked for hairs on the
Speaker 4: tree and all that kind of stuff. Didn't see any.
Speaker 4: But the hill was so slow that I couldn't stand
Speaker 4: behind that tree without having to hang on to the tree,
Speaker 4: otherwise I would have fallen down the hill. The only
Speaker 4: thing I can figure out is that she actually just
Speaker 4: ended up taking a step to her right a little
Speaker 4: bit where there was a little less of an incline,
Speaker 4: and that's when the hand came off the tree. But
Speaker 4: where I put my hand on the tree, typically, if
Speaker 4: you were hanging onto a tree, you'd probably put it
Speaker 4: right about shoulder height right. You wouldn't typically raise your
Speaker 4: arm above your head in order to hang on to
Speaker 4: that tree. Where the hand was on the tree was
Speaker 4: sixty nine inches off the ground from the base of
Speaker 4: the tree on the downhill side, So where I assumed
Speaker 4: her feet were, the hand was sixty nine inches off
Speaker 4: the ground. So in my estimation, she was probably about
Speaker 4: seven four to seven eight somewhere in that range. But yeah,
Speaker 4: my nephew just went into description. We get back to
Speaker 4: the campsite, he's still excited a little bit. We get
Speaker 4: into the tent to sleep at night, and suddenly it
Speaker 4: settles in on him. He's like, what did I just see?
Speaker 4: And oh my god, is it coming to get me tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so it was a rough night for him, but that
Speaker 4: was a pretty good trip. But he never went back
Speaker 4: out in the woods. My kids went a few more
Speaker 4: times with me, some of those camping trips. The next
Speaker 4: year in two thousand and nine. They actually we had
Speaker 4: two of them that were circling our tent about two
Speaker 4: thirty in the morning and whistling back and forth. My
Speaker 4: son actually was asleep, my daughter, two of us were
Speaker 4: sitting up in the tent and listening to them. You
Speaker 4: could hear them move across and then wanted to whistle. No,
Speaker 4: it was really neat. You could just barely see your
Speaker 4: face in the tent. You could just see she's just,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I can't believe they're right here. So
Speaker 4: that was really my first sighting, really first experiences there.
Speaker 1: I should have had you do this a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1: There's people that are listening to this right now. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they think Arizona, so they think desert. They think
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the desert and there's no trees,
Speaker 1: there's nothing but sand. So first and foremost, can you
Speaker 1: set the scene for this area, What kind of terrain,
Speaker 1: what kind of forest, what kind of habitat there would
Speaker 1: be for these creatures to exist there?
Speaker 4: It's ideal have ten. In fact, Arizona has seven different
Speaker 4: climate zones, so we actually go all the way from
Speaker 4: low Desert down near Yuma, all the way up to
Speaker 4: Canadian Forest. If I dropped you off near Career Arizona
Speaker 4: in the White Mountains, you would think you were in
Speaker 4: northern Canada. That's how dense. A lot of large pines, furs,
Speaker 4: Douglas furs. The Mugan Rim is primarily populated with Ponderosa pine,
Speaker 4: which is the largest contiguous stand of Ponderosa pines in
Speaker 4: the world. So there's a lot of forests. It's dense.
Speaker 4: There's areas that really haven't been logged, probably since the fifties.
Speaker 4: In fact, this area probably was logged in the early
Speaker 4: fifties heavily, so some of those trees are there's still
Speaker 4: some old growth ones in there, So they're probably anywhere
Speaker 4: from a seventy to one hundred and twenty year old
Speaker 4: pines in this area. In this area that I go
Speaker 4: to a lot, there's a really good mix of Douglas
Speaker 4: fur and ponderosa's, but there's also oak and aspen. Like
Speaker 4: I said, about half of Arizona's pine forest. So I
Speaker 4: know everybody thinks the soorro this or sand dunes down
Speaker 4: by Yuma. But in Arizona, though I know that they live,
Speaker 4: they've found a way. Just like everybody says, how could
Speaker 4: they live in areas like Arizona or humans are living
Speaker 4: there right albeit maybe in the summertime we've got air conditioning.
Speaker 4: But down in the desert where I live, there's plenty
Speaker 4: of reservoirs and lakes throughout the desert areas of Arizona.
Speaker 4: They have found away in order to live have family
Speaker 4: in those areas as well. See. So it was spring
Speaker 4: of twenty ten, so this area where I normally go,
Speaker 4: it's closed. Even right now. You can't get back in
Speaker 4: there because they get a lot of snow over the winter,
Speaker 4: and even after the snow starts to melt, the roads
Speaker 4: are just an absolute mud bog or a service doesn't
Speaker 4: want you going in there and ripping up all the roads.
Speaker 4: They don't open it typically until middle of May, sometimes
Speaker 4: a little earlier, depends on when the last snow is now.
Speaker 4: We had snow here just a week ago and a
Speaker 4: lot of it, so I know we're probably looking at
Speaker 4: mid May again. This year, one of my fellow researchers
Speaker 4: got up there. They opened it up on a Monday.
Speaker 4: She and her boyfriend went up there to research in
Speaker 4: the canyons. They took their quads up into the canyon.
Speaker 4: At the bottom in the snow melt area. They find
Speaker 4: maybe thirty footprints and they're all small. They're all seven
Speaker 4: to eight inch footprints all over the place, just amazing prints.
Speaker 4: There's one where the print sunk down probably a foot
Speaker 4: deep nine inches maybe deep into this mud. As the
Speaker 4: print went down in the toes, you could see the
Speaker 4: toe drags down the side, and then the toes grabbed
Speaker 4: at the bottom before pulling back out. So they cast
Speaker 4: about three or four of those prints, and they told
Speaker 4: me about it, and they said, oh my gosh, you
Speaker 4: need to get up here and do some casting. And
Speaker 4: I said that I have to work. I looked at
Speaker 4: my schedule, and I was like, ooy, Wednesday, I shuk it.
Speaker 4: I could be a little sick on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: So I stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. After these messages.
Speaker 4: I took Wednesday off. By that time, I had actually
Speaker 4: purchased a big bag of ultra cal I'm eternal Optimists
Speaker 4: in case I find a good print in Arizona, which
Speaker 4: is difficult because there's a lot of hard ground. I
Speaker 4: get up there, I'm just by myself. So I get
Speaker 4: down into the bottom of the canyon and I start
Speaker 4: hiking towards where they told me that the location was.
Speaker 4: Everybody said maybe there was those barefoot prints that could
Speaker 4: have been children running around up there. Now this is
Speaker 4: really remote. There's still snow on the ground that's melting.
Speaker 4: That water was thirty five degrees. There's no parent that
Speaker 4: I know of that would let kids. Not only that,
Speaker 4: but there was only one rack of quad tracks coming
Speaker 4: into that area and one going out. That was my
Speaker 4: friends just two days prior. Other than that, the snow
Speaker 4: had really erased everything from over the winter time. So
Speaker 4: I get into the canyon. As I'm walking, I walk
Speaker 4: down land on this meadow I hear what I think
Speaker 4: is initially a woodpecker. So I hear this woodpecker, and
Speaker 4: every once in a while I would be like, let's square, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a woodpecker. I'm not the kind of guy that
Speaker 4: is every twig snap is a sasquatch. There's plenty of
Speaker 4: things in the woods that like to make noise, squirrels,
Speaker 4: dropping pine cones, et cetera. I'm walking along and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, it does it again. God, that sounds
Speaker 4: just like a woodpecker, but it was a little different.
Speaker 4: It did it again, did it again, I did it again,
Speaker 4: and then it got really agitated, and it just did
Speaker 4: it like fifty times in a row. Except this time
Speaker 4: I could actually hear what sounded like it was rock
Speaker 4: on rock stopped in my tracks. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: my gosh, that has to be a sasquatch. I walk
Speaker 4: maybe another thirty feet up the canyon. It wasn't very
Speaker 4: long this daytime. Right rack this huge tree knock about
Speaker 4: one hundred feet in front of me. There was some
Speaker 4: tree fall that was on the ground. It was like
Speaker 4: Douglas fur the branches that exploded, that's what it looked
Speaker 4: like up ahead. When this giant tree knock happens behind me,
Speaker 4: up ahead of me. All of a sudden, there is
Speaker 4: just such a commotion in all those branches. You could
Speaker 4: see something ran up the hill from the meadow area
Speaker 4: up that hill. It sounded like a vehicle driving up
Speaker 4: the hill. It was a lot of crashing. I was
Speaker 4: stunned a little bit, but I went ahead and I
Speaker 4: looked at those branches and you could tell they were
Speaker 4: all placed in areas. It was all matted down where
Speaker 4: all these dougles fur boughs were all matted down, And
Speaker 4: it looked like there was three sleeping areas in all
Speaker 4: the branches. So I continued walking north up the canyon.
Speaker 4: I got to the area where those footprints were. The
Speaker 4: prints had gotten a little more indistinct even two days later,
Speaker 4: so I don't know if there was extra snow melt
Speaker 4: in the meantime, but I couldn't pull a really good
Speaker 4: print out of those. So I ended up after a
Speaker 4: few attempts and made a bunch of pores and waited
Speaker 4: for everything to dry. I packed them all back out
Speaker 4: and I'm walking back up to my car in the canyon.
Speaker 4: By this time, the sun actually has come out a
Speaker 4: little bit. It's actually turned into a little nicer day.
Speaker 4: But it's about maybe one thirty in the afternoon by
Speaker 4: this time. I get right to the fork in the canyon,
Speaker 4: and I couldn't remember if i'd come down right there
Speaker 4: or a little further up the canyon. So I get
Speaker 4: my GPS out and I'm trying to find the pin
Speaker 4: for my vehicle. As I'm waiting for the GPS to
Speaker 4: boot up up above me the rim of the canyon,
Speaker 4: I hear crash and I looked up there and I
Speaker 4: saw just a fraction of a glimpse of something move
Speaker 4: behind some brush. So I stood there pondering. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that could have been an elk or a deer. Okay,
Speaker 4: but if it's an elk or a deer, it would
Speaker 4: have just kept going, and I would have thought I
Speaker 4: would have heard more crashing if it wasn't it was
Speaker 4: a sasquatch going for cover. It probably still watching me
Speaker 4: right now. So I actually put everything down. I got
Speaker 4: my camera out, big SLR. I take the lens cap
Speaker 4: off of it. Now I wish everybody had told me
Speaker 4: at that time, don't point a camera at them, because
Speaker 4: then they think it's a weapon. Right. So I've had
Speaker 4: my camera pointed with the lens up right near my shoulder,
Speaker 4: and I start walking in that direction towards where I
Speaker 4: last saw something go behind some brush. I started heading there,
Speaker 4: and I am almost right to the base of the
Speaker 4: hill where it's only one hundred feet above me on
Speaker 4: this slope. But it's still about one hundred feet above me.
Speaker 4: Just as I'm about to start heading up the hill,
Speaker 4: it comes bursting out of this brush and it's big.
Speaker 4: It's eight foot tall with a brownish reddish hair. Now,
Speaker 4: I know there's some people that say they've seen them
Speaker 4: their hairs matted. This one now he did not. I
Speaker 4: only say he because just of the size. It was massive.
Speaker 4: He came running out of there. It was like zero
Speaker 4: to thirty miles an hour. The acceleration was insane. Not
Speaker 4: only that, but it was gliding smoothly across that ridgeline.
Speaker 4: The sun was shining behind from the west, just right
Speaker 4: over the ridge about one point thirty, so it was
Speaker 4: back illuminating him as he ran. The only thing I
Speaker 4: always like to say the hair. As the hair moved,
Speaker 4: it blowed very naturally on It wasn't for you see
Speaker 4: a deer a bear run. You don't see hair flowing
Speaker 4: on it. The hair was flowing on it. I always
Speaker 4: joke it like LORI l commercial with the sweeping hair
Speaker 4: back lit, and that's how easily I could see it was.
Speaker 4: This red had a reddish tinge, brownish reddish tinge to it,
Speaker 4: and ran across that ridge line. Granted there was a
Speaker 4: lot of trees up there, so as it ran you
Speaker 4: saw slices of it in between the trees, but back
Speaker 4: lit still based on the size and the speed that
Speaker 4: came out of there, I have my camera in my
Speaker 4: hand and it was one of those one one thousand
Speaker 4: where I'm just The first second was just like holy wrap,
Speaker 4: and then the second my brain says, lower the camera,
Speaker 4: take a picture, and I start lowering the camera and
Speaker 4: by that time gone. It was that fast. I stood
Speaker 4: there catching my breath for a few seconds, and then
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to go up there, and
Speaker 4: I'll walk up the hill and see where it was.
Speaker 4: You could see the stride was over seventy two inches.
Speaker 4: It was like the prints were just way apart. I
Speaker 4: couldn't believe how fast, and you would think on that
Speaker 4: acceleration that it would just ripped up the forest litter.
Speaker 4: It really didn't. It was pretty impressive. I like to
Speaker 4: record everything. You can't find me without a tape measure
Speaker 4: or a bag of castium materials somewhere on myself when
Speaker 4: I'm out in the woods. But it obviously has to
Speaker 4: be the right print. So that was my second sighting.
Speaker 4: That was pretty exciting. I ended up finding my vehicle
Speaker 4: and headed home that day. That was a day well spent.
Speaker 4: Plane hooky from work. My next encounter, I went to
Speaker 4: an area further east on the Mogian Rim, south of Sholo, Arizona.
Speaker 4: There's a little town called Young Arizona, which is where
Speaker 4: the Pleasant Valley War was, which was actually a larger
Speaker 4: few than the famous Hatfields and McCoy's occurred in that
Speaker 4: valley and Pleasant Valley just north of there, about halfway
Speaker 4: up the rim, there was a location I was interested
Speaker 4: in because everybody was talking about how they were possibly
Speaker 4: living in caves. I was just by myself once again.
Speaker 4: I get up there and I start hiking around in
Speaker 4: this area that has caved. It's right adjacent to the
Speaker 4: Indian reservation up there, the White Mountain Apache Indian Reservation.
Speaker 4: I get there, I walk along for I don't know,
Speaker 4: a couple hours just looking at things, and I get
Speaker 4: to this one area, one of the cave entrances that's
Speaker 4: up there. I find this rock that had been broken,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of sandstone up there. This rock
Speaker 4: had been just smashed onto rock, and then something had
Speaker 4: taken one of the pieces of sandstone and scribbled with
Speaker 4: it on the sandstone. Now I could have been like, oh okay,
Speaker 4: somebody else would have been up here whatever, But two
Speaker 4: days earlier there was a lot of rain. They probably
Speaker 4: got an inch rain there where this rock had been smashed.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of fine brains of that sandstone
Speaker 4: that were still right in that vicinity, which would have
Speaker 4: easily been washed away rainstorm. So I knew it was
Speaker 4: within the last two days, right. So from there, I
Speaker 4: walked around all these boulders and rocks that were near
Speaker 4: that cave entrance, and I get down below it and
Speaker 4: I find this sixteen inch print, gorgeous print, five toes
Speaker 4: on it. It's about an inch deep into the forest
Speaker 4: forest and it's probably only two days old. Right, there's
Speaker 4: probably right after that rainstorm. Like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 4: cannot believe I found a footprint, right, So I take
Speaker 4: my pack off, and I'm like, okay, i'll document it first,
Speaker 4: so I'm taking photos. I get my tape measure out,
Speaker 4: I bet over. I'm taking photos of the print on
Speaker 4: the ground about the time I get the length down,
Speaker 4: and a couple extra photos. Photo of it without the
Speaker 4: tape measure in it, photo of the width across the
Speaker 4: ball of the foot and across the heel. And suddenly,
Speaker 4: as I'm bent over taking the last photo that I took,
Speaker 4: I hear this flood. The ground shook from it, and
Speaker 4: I jerked up just in time to see this rock
Speaker 4: that was about the size of my head bouncing down
Speaker 4: about twenty feet away from me. But bouncing away from me,
Speaker 4: my brain is where the rock was rolling. My brain
Speaker 4: drew a line from the trajectory of that rock up
Speaker 4: to this hill, and that's where that rock rose to
Speaker 4: that cavern system. I could see one hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: feet away. There was nothing obstructing my view, but I
Speaker 4: didn't see anything there, so it had to be over
Speaker 4: the edge of that ridge. But that rock was at
Speaker 4: least twenty pounds. That's a pretty good throw. I've looked
Speaker 4: up like Olympic shot putters, and no that's not happening. Now.
Speaker 4: Granted there was a drop in elevation from that height,
Speaker 4: but still where it actually landed was at least one
Speaker 4: hundred feet in the throw. I immediately packed up my stuff.
Speaker 4: I talked to the woods again. I said, sorry, I'll
Speaker 4: get out of here, walked back to the car. I
Speaker 4: was still probably about an hour into the hike, so
Speaker 4: it took me a while to get back to the car,
Speaker 4: and the whole time I'm thinking, am I being followed?
Speaker 4: Am I going to get beaned in the head. Then
Speaker 4: I started getting to the realization that it could have
Speaker 4: just beamed me or thrown multiple rocks at me, even
Speaker 4: if the first rock was a miss, could have taken
Speaker 4: me out and didn't. So I was grateful for that obviously.
Speaker 4: So my third sighting was on a Bfurro expedition pastward
Speaker 4: now to twenty eleven. We went to a place actually
Speaker 4: west of the normal location, that western area where the
Speaker 4: rim extends and heads towards Sedona. Everybody's not familiar with Sedona.
Speaker 4: Beautiful red rocks. Your brain just says, I can't believe
Speaker 4: what I'm seeing. When you're looking at Sedona, almost like
Speaker 4: staring at the Grand canyon. It's just like it does
Speaker 4: not compute anyway. So we have a pretty sizable group
Speaker 4: at this location on the western edge of the rim.
Speaker 4: This is a really interesting one. I don't think I've
Speaker 4: really talked about this too much, but you'll enjoy this.
Speaker 4: So we get bfo fashion, right, we split into three
Speaker 4: different groups, and we're going to do calls and knocks.
Speaker 4: And if you can't tell, I have a very deep voice,
Speaker 4: so I'm a howl, or at least it was my excitement, right,
Speaker 4: And I led one of the groups to this far
Speaker 4: side of the canyon complex there. Then we're going to
Speaker 4: call back and forth to each other up there. So
Speaker 4: we get up there and we did some knocks back
Speaker 4: and forth, and then we did some whoops, and there
Speaker 4: was some howls back and forth, and we really didn't
Speaker 4: get any reaction from any of the inhabitants of the canyon,
Speaker 4: but we did hear something crashing in the woods towards us. Now,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of treefall in that area wasn't cleared
Speaker 4: out pine needles that it could just be easily walked
Speaker 4: on quietly, right, So there was a lot of branches
Speaker 4: cracking and stuff, and we could hear it coming towards
Speaker 4: our group in the darkness, but we couldn't see anything
Speaker 4: on thermal. After a while, we gave up and we
Speaker 4: were like, Okay, we're done for the night. We're not
Speaker 4: getting really any reaction. I think one our group said
Speaker 4: they thought they heard a response at one point, but
Speaker 4: it was pretty dead night. So I get back in
Speaker 4: my vehicle. I've got my little crew with me. By
Speaker 4: this time, after I had seen the hand on the
Speaker 4: side of the tree and I didn't have any way
Speaker 4: to record it with the night vision monocle, I actually
Speaker 4: had gone out and bought a flear for myself that
Speaker 4: could record, and later on I'll get into some of
Speaker 4: the downfalls of that one as well. But I've got
Speaker 4: the thermal. You know, you can't look through a thermal
Speaker 4: while you're inside a car with the windows up. I
Speaker 4: rolled the windows down and I'm driving and it's pretty
Speaker 4: rough road in there. I've got a low four wheeling
Speaker 4: it up this road. The person in the back seat
Speaker 4: sitting right behind me, she's got the thermal. I'm just
Speaker 4: driving five seven, maybe ten miles an hour in the
Speaker 4: flat areas. She's looking out that window. She sees a
Speaker 4: figure similar to your logo, standing in between two trees
Speaker 4: where the width of the shoulders was almost touching the trees,
Speaker 4: just thirty feet off the road. She sees it, and
Speaker 4: she goes, oh, my gosh. I was telling her. I
Speaker 4: was like, if you see something, push the record button
Speaker 4: on there. She was in the same vein of me
Speaker 4: holding a camera in my hand, and that for a
Speaker 4: second is just I can't believe it. And everybody is
Speaker 4: why didn't you take it? Why don't you try it?
Speaker 4: But it's a little astonishing, but you're not expecting that.
Speaker 4: But she sees it, and then by the time she
Speaker 4: yells out, I mashed the brakes. I throw it in reverse,
Speaker 4: and I back up. I was maybe forty fifty feet
Speaker 4: past where she saw it. I back up. It's no
Speaker 4: longer there. The heat signature is not between those trees anymore.
Speaker 4: So a little disappointed, right, But we get back to camp. Now,
Speaker 4: of course we've been making all kinds of noise. Right
Speaker 4: if it was my house, somebody is banging pots and
Speaker 4: pans out inside of my house, right, and then suddenly
Speaker 4: they settle in for the night. So we get back
Speaker 4: to camp. By the time we get back to camp,
Speaker 4: control in that campsite. We pull in and they're just
Speaker 4: they're doing like tree knocks, and I'm like, what are
Speaker 4: you guys doing.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see when we're
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Because we were the furthest distance, so we're the last
Speaker 4: ones to pull in the camp. They're like, Oh, we're
Speaker 4: gonna see if we can get him into camp here.
Speaker 4: I said, okay, I think they probably know where we are,
Speaker 4: but okay, I wouldn't recommend you continuing to do that though.
Speaker 4: So all the other expeditioners are like, oh, okay, So
Speaker 4: we all sit down and settle in around the campfire.
Speaker 4: I'm around the campfire maybe fifteen minutes and large knock occurs.
Speaker 4: It was really close to the campsite where everybody's around
Speaker 4: the campfire. Boom, everybody jumps, everybody's looking in that direction,
Speaker 4: and the one guy jumps up from the campsite and
Speaker 4: heads over to his vehicle, which was closest to where
Speaker 4: this knock occurred. As he's running up to his vehicle,
Speaker 4: this big branch gets thrown at him, doesn't hit him,
Speaker 4: but it hits his vehicle and bounces off. Because he
Speaker 4: was just rounding his vehicle at the time. Immediately he
Speaker 4: puts on the brakes and he runs back to the campfire,
Speaker 4: which I don't recommend anybody charging at the Sasquatch, just
Speaker 4: let you know that. Of course, I'm just sitting around
Speaker 4: the campfire. I didn't bring any equipment with me, so
Speaker 4: my thermal's in my car. So I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 4: to go get my thermal. The expedition leader she had
Speaker 4: a thermal in her vehicle, which was on the other
Speaker 4: side of the campsite. I get up and I start
Speaker 4: walking towards my vehicle, and I could see my tail
Speaker 4: lights glowing in the campfire lights from where I had parked.
Speaker 4: It was probably eighty ninety feet away from the campfire,
Speaker 4: away from where the knock had occurred. I'm walking towards
Speaker 4: my vehicle. Suddenly I'm in a completely different area. I
Speaker 4: have a lapse of time occurs. Instead of making a
Speaker 4: straight line like I was initially heading, I suddenly am
Speaker 4: off about forty five degrees. I'm just standing in front
Speaker 4: of some bushes. When I wake up, total loss time.
Speaker 4: I have no idea how I got there, but still
Speaker 4: glow from the fire, and I turn and I see
Speaker 4: my vehicle, probably eighty feet trangulation away from me. I'm like,
Speaker 4: how did I walk? How did I I'm puzzled. Right,
Speaker 4: So I get over to the vehicle, I get my thermal,
Speaker 4: and I start walking back right about right in the middle.
Speaker 4: I end up meeting the woman who is running that expedition,
Speaker 4: and she's returning with her thermal. She had a similar incident.
Speaker 4: She was walking straight line towards her vehicle and suddenly
Speaker 4: she was standing off in some bushes and had no
Speaker 4: idea where she was. Everyone else in the campfire area
Speaker 4: didn't have any missing time, except for one person sitting
Speaker 4: in a chair. He said he suddenly felt like he
Speaker 4: woke up and didn't know where he was. But even
Speaker 4: though he was still sitting in the same camp chair
Speaker 4: that he was in, that was an unusual experience. So
Speaker 4: I fire up the thermal now. One of the guys
Speaker 4: in the group actually had rigged his suburban to have
Speaker 4: a commercial infrared light system, complete with the control board
Speaker 4: and everything that was inside of his suburban. It drilled
Speaker 4: holes through the roof of his suburban to mount all
Speaker 4: these cameras on top of it, so he had six
Speaker 4: cameras mounted on it. He had it parked a little
Speaker 4: to the east of where the campfire was and a
Speaker 4: little to the north, so it was a good distance
Speaker 4: away from the campfire and pointed off into those woods
Speaker 4: where the big knock had occurred. So we start walking
Speaker 4: trying to look to see if we see any heat
Speaker 4: signatures to the north of the campsite where the knock
Speaker 4: had occurred. We're looking and we finally find I see
Speaker 4: a heat signature, but it's right on the edge of
Speaker 4: a tree, and it just does this looks around the
Speaker 4: tree and you see the body swung out a little bit,
Speaker 4: so you could see from the head side of the
Speaker 4: head about half the head shoulder down to the waste
Speaker 4: where the other brush kind of obscured the bottom half.
Speaker 4: So that was a thermal image. The problem was that
Speaker 4: the thermals, you know recorder that I have paid a
Speaker 4: lot of money for it, actually as it compresses the
Speaker 4: thermal image down onto the steep card. As it compresses,
Speaker 4: it loses detail. So all he is a heat signature
Speaker 4: on the side. Then it had ducked back behind the
Speaker 4: tree and we couldn't see it anymore. And I wouldn't
Speaker 4: say duck slowly moved very methodical. However, this suburban that
Speaker 4: was rigged with infrared and had infrared spotlights on it,
Speaker 4: it actually recorded across that distance in the same area
Speaker 4: right after we had seen that thermal hit. It sees
Speaker 4: two subjects walking very faintly from that distance back heading
Speaker 4: up north into the woods, and then as they were walking,
Speaker 4: each of them turned their head and looked towards the camera.
Speaker 4: Even though, like I said, you couldn't make out the thing,
Speaker 4: but you could see these big saucer eyes reflected in
Speaker 4: the infrared light as they walked. So it backs up
Speaker 4: the thermal hit as well having that image. But the
Speaker 4: next day, I actually knowing I needed to try to
Speaker 4: scientifically figure out what the height was. Couldn't look at
Speaker 4: the thermal and figure it out because I wouldn't know
Speaker 4: exactly where I was standing, right, So I put a
Speaker 4: big rock where I had captured that image from, and
Speaker 4: then we recreated it the next day, and it turned
Speaker 4: out that the top of the head was seven foot
Speaker 4: seven inches. I count that as my third sighting, even
Speaker 4: though it wasn't as dramatic as the first two. For sure,
Speaker 4: on that same expedition we ended up finding an oak
Speaker 4: tree that had a lot of acorns in it. Something
Speaker 4: had climbed up this oak and had stood on this
Speaker 4: one large branch and had been pulling acorns, the little
Speaker 4: small twigs the branches that had the acorns on it,
Speaker 4: but was twisting them and ripping them off and dropping
Speaker 4: them on the And that was a distance away in
Speaker 4: that same direction that the two subjects walked off in.
Speaker 4: It was a good expedition because one of the other
Speaker 4: people actually saw one. It had a daytime sighting in
Speaker 4: that same canyon as well. I wasn't there for that
Speaker 4: because I was trying to figure out how tall the
Speaker 4: subject was in the thermple. Yeah, that was my third
Speaker 4: sighting and number four. It was twenty twelve. I had
Speaker 4: gone back to Iowa for a car show. I restore
Speaker 4: classic cars as well as a hobby. I had to
Speaker 4: just finish my car in the nicktime, loaded it on
Speaker 4: an enclosed trailer. The National Car Show was in Des Moines, Iowa.
Speaker 4: I had back to Des Moines unload the car, prep
Speaker 4: it to the show. It wins Best a Class, wins
Speaker 4: a bunch of other awards. From there, I drove to Dubuque, Iowa,
Speaker 4: where my in laws lived at that time, and in
Speaker 4: fact they lived right near a forest preserve just to
Speaker 4: the south of Debute called the Minds of Spain. My
Speaker 4: brother in law, who lived in Cedar Rapids at that time,
Speaker 4: wasn't quite sure about this. He thought I was a
Speaker 4: little daft perhaps. So we were back there and I said, well,
Speaker 4: let's head into the mines of Spain at night. I
Speaker 4: didn't realize they were supposed to close the roads at
Speaker 4: ten pm at night. I had all my equipment with
Speaker 4: me because I always carry it now because you never know.
Speaker 4: We had it down there. About eleven PM. I did
Speaker 4: a howl inside the in the mines of Spain. I
Speaker 4: got three distinct return calls, one of which I think
Speaker 4: came off of an island in the Mississippi River which
Speaker 4: adjoins this forest area. Another one came from the northwest
Speaker 4: up a creek called Catfish Creek, and then another one
Speaker 4: came from the west. And my brother in law stood
Speaker 4: there in the pitch black darkness. I could just see
Speaker 4: the look on his face was like, oh my God.
Speaker 4: And then we hung out there another hour. Didn't hear
Speaker 4: anything else. That was it, But I think that convinced him.
Speaker 4: That was pretty convincing. Over the next week that I
Speaker 4: stayed in Debut, visiting the in laws and having the
Speaker 4: kids hang out with the Graham and Grandpa. It got
Speaker 4: really warm there. Finally, day that we were leaving, he
Speaker 4: got up to one hundred and four degrees, which if
Speaker 4: you've ever been in Iowa when it's one hundred and four,
Speaker 4: look out. This was such July, like maybe July twenty first,
Speaker 4: I think of twenty twelve. I came up with this hypothesis,
Speaker 4: if it's one hundred and four, and I saw all
Speaker 4: kinds of kids out in creeks swimming and out down
Speaker 4: at the river swimming, and said, if we're hot, they're hot.
Speaker 4: I think that they would risk coming out in daytime
Speaker 4: and getting into some water in order to cool down.
Speaker 4: I'm driving back. I've got the twenty four foot car
Speaker 4: trailer in tow behind me, My daughter's in the passenger seat,
Speaker 4: and it's just the two of us, and we're driving along,
Speaker 4: and I said, here's what I'm thinking. So she kept
Speaker 4: an eye every single farmhouse that we passed down that
Speaker 4: more rural road. We looked in their farm ponds see
Speaker 4: if there was anything with farm ponds. Drove clear across Iowa,
Speaker 4: came out just a little north of des Moines on
Speaker 4: that road, and then picked up Interstate thirty five heading south.
Speaker 4: So we get through des Moines and then pretty soon
Speaker 4: the roads cross a lot of rivers and creeks. As
Speaker 4: you're going down I thirty five, I'm looking down every
Speaker 4: one of them, and boy, I tell you what a
Speaker 4: lot of the rivers and stuff all had people lined
Speaker 4: up on the shores and people were swimming. Everybody was
Speaker 4: trying to cool off. But it's getting late, starting to
Speaker 4: get later in the day. We crossed into Missouri. By
Speaker 4: this time, my daughter is not being as eagle eyed
Speaker 4: as she was prior to Des Moines, but she's still
Speaker 4: looking out and glancing. We get just north of Bethany, Missouri.
Speaker 4: As we're driving Interstate thirty five, I see if there
Speaker 4: was all kinds of farm ponds in that area. But
Speaker 4: I look off to the west of I thirty five
Speaker 4: and here's this what looks like a mossy tree stump
Speaker 4: in the middle of this farm pond, dead center. And
Speaker 4: the farm pond was actually a little below where the
Speaker 4: farmhouse was and stuff, and there was other trees nearby.
Speaker 4: As I drove past and I'm looking at this stump
Speaker 4: in the middle of the pond, trying to determine am
Speaker 4: I seeing what I'm seeing or am I just We
Speaker 4: always have the term stump squatch when you misidentify a
Speaker 4: stump sitting in the woods and you're like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: it's a stump squatch. But I'm looking at this. And
Speaker 4: by this time, it's about six pm, so the sun's
Speaker 4: starting to get low in the sky, so it's shining through.
Speaker 4: And actually I was looking at your logo. It's actually
Speaker 4: pretty close to that, except that the water level was
Speaker 4: just below the crotch level. As I'm staring at this
Speaker 4: trying to discern what it is, it actually turns and
Speaker 4: rotates and looks towards me. Now I'm driving sixty five
Speaker 4: miles an hour down Interstate thirty five, but it actually
Speaker 4: turned and you could see the sunlight in between its armpits,
Speaker 4: and you could see the hair was hanging down, and
Speaker 4: this one looked matted, but it was wet. You can
Speaker 4: see water dripping off of it as a turn, but
Speaker 4: you could see light just between the crotch where that
Speaker 4: was just above the water, and you could see the
Speaker 4: sunlight right through the pits, but the hands extended all
Speaker 4: the way down into the water. Oh my gosh. My
Speaker 4: daughter turned back and looked we already passed, so she
Speaker 4: got to look backwards and she saw a stump in
Speaker 4: that lake, but she didn't see what I had witnessed
Speaker 4: when it actually turned and faced the road. Of course,
Speaker 4: when we got down and spent the night in Wichita.
Speaker 4: That evening, I went on Google Earth and looked at
Speaker 4: on Google Maps, and there was not a tree stump
Speaker 4: in the middle of that one farm pond. That was
Speaker 4: my fourth siding, My fifth siding I had Actually in
Speaker 4: twenty ten, I travel a lot for work, so I'm
Speaker 4: in a lot of locations. In twenty ten, I had
Speaker 4: been in Atlanta. What I would normally do is look
Speaker 4: up any BFO sidings off your website and kind of say, Okay,
Speaker 4: what areas might I focus on If there's been a
Speaker 4: sighting in certain areas, or if there's been multiple sidings,
Speaker 4: even better, and I do a lot of research. I
Speaker 4: look at maps, and I look at details and creeks
Speaker 4: and possible ways that they move in and out or habitat. Really,
Speaker 4: when twenty ten, I was like, okay, this area which
Speaker 4: was a Red Mountain Reservoir. It's northwest of Atlanta. I decided,
Speaker 4: since there had been two or three sidings in that area,
Speaker 4: I was like, I'll go up there and try. At
Speaker 4: that time, I had my thermal in twenty ten. I
Speaker 4: got up there. I saw a lot of deer. I
Speaker 4: didn't hear anything. I knocked, I did a couple howls.
Speaker 4: Nothing didn't get into responses whatsoever. I got back to
Speaker 4: the hotel like two in the morning, and of course
Speaker 4: I was back at work at eight am. So fast
Speaker 4: forward now to twenty thirteen. I'm in Atlanta again on business.
Speaker 4: But one of my co workers he was fascinated. He
Speaker 4: really was interested in it, and his son was really
Speaker 4: excited to meet me and talk about it this subject.
Speaker 4: I met them for dinner and they had decided let's
Speaker 4: go out. So I grow up to Kennesaw Mountain, had
Speaker 4: dinner with them, and then we went from there up
Speaker 4: to Mountain Reservoir. I figured, we'll give it another try.
Speaker 4: I literally went to the same location where I was before, because,
Speaker 4: like I said, doing the research, this area looks to
Speaker 4: be the best. Right we get up there, I'm not
Speaker 4: sure because it's an open area, there's no place we
Speaker 4: could do a knock. So he brings along a couple
Speaker 4: of pieces scraps to two by fours. Yeah, that'll work, right.
Speaker 4: So we get there. We get into location at park.
Speaker 4: We hike in where I'm pretty sure this is a
Speaker 4: good area where I wasn't exactly where I wasn't twenty ten.
Speaker 4: I get up there and got the thermal running. I
Speaker 4: decide I'm not going to do a whoop this time
Speaker 4: or a howl. I'll just do two knocks. We do
Speaker 4: two knots with the two by fours clapping them together
Speaker 4: down below us, because we're almost on top of the hill,
Speaker 4: and then the hillside sloped down towards the reservoir down below.
Speaker 4: There was no homes or anything that thisinity down below
Speaker 4: us about one hundred and fifty feet away, and there's
Speaker 4: a lot of brush in there. We did the knock,
Speaker 4: and then suddenly I could see a thermal image moving
Speaker 4: through some of that brush, and you couldn't make out
Speaker 4: what it was. It was moving back and forth. I
Speaker 4: passed the thermal in between my coworker and his son
Speaker 4: and they were looking there like, oh, yeah, I see that.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is. What is that they
Speaker 4: were whispering up there on this ridge, so I did
Speaker 4: one more knock, and when I didn't the extra knock,
Speaker 4: suddenly you could just see the top of a head
Speaker 4: above all the brush down there, So the thermal was
Speaker 4: much brighter that and then there was a tree, but
Speaker 4: it was turned out the next day when I drove
Speaker 4: all the way up there in order to do all
Speaker 4: my measurements and everything in the daylight, it was a
Speaker 4: black walnut tree. So those kind of grow up straight
Speaker 4: and then they split. They have two branches that come
Speaker 4: up the sasquatch ends up. Tried to look over the
Speaker 4: brush to see what's going on, couldn't see anything. You
Speaker 4: could see it reach up and you could see live
Speaker 4: on the thermal, not compressed when it actually got onto
Speaker 4: the SD card. That's one of the issues. You almost
Speaker 4: have to have a DVR so it stores raw images
Speaker 4: and that compressed them. But you can see the distinct
Speaker 4: differences in between the spacing in between the fingers as
Speaker 4: it reached up into that split in the black walnut
Speaker 4: and it pulled itself up and you could see it
Speaker 4: looking around.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Doing this, I passed it over to my coworker's son
Speaker 4: and he looks and he goes, oh, my god, because
Speaker 4: you could see it was a little brighter just in
Speaker 4: the cheeks and the forehead, a little dimmer everywhere else,
Speaker 4: and it's looking around. And then he passed it on
Speaker 4: to his dad. He was looking like suddenly like looking
Speaker 4: over here, and it's no the same spot that you
Speaker 4: look before. And then by the time he passed it
Speaker 4: back to me, it had dropped down off there, and
Speaker 4: then we didn't see it anymore. The next day I
Speaker 4: went back and that split in the tree where it
Speaker 4: just reached up and grabbed that was twelve feet off
Speaker 4: the ground, and then it just pulled itself up and
Speaker 4: you could see right foot and a half two feet
Speaker 4: off the ground. The bark in that black walnut had
Speaker 4: a little indentation into it where maybe the side of
Speaker 4: the foot kind of dug in a little bit into
Speaker 4: the bark, but it was apparent on the ground it
Speaker 4: had been collecting black walnuts that had fallen. This was
Speaker 4: December twenty thirteen. That was my fifth sighting, so number six.
Speaker 4: My daughter was going to a northern Arizona University. It
Speaker 4: was like second week of May, which you'll recognize that timeframe, right,
Speaker 4: that's about the time that my research area opens up.
Speaker 4: I told her, I said, I'll drive up the flagstaff
Speaker 4: where Northern Arizona University is and load you up, unpack
Speaker 4: your dorm, and head back down to Phoenix. On the
Speaker 4: way up there, I decided I'll pull into my research area.
Speaker 4: I down into the canyon, maybe spend a couple hours
Speaker 4: down there. And had a couple of delays that morning,
Speaker 4: so I got a late start. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: I'll have maybe an hour forty five minutes getting down
Speaker 4: to the canyon. So this time I brought along a
Speaker 4: small camp quarter, a little palm thing that has a
Speaker 4: flip screen on it. I parked and I found a
Speaker 4: game trail that I'd never taken before, and it ended
Speaker 4: up going straight along the eastern wall of the canyon
Speaker 4: down onto this meadow area. The wind was blowing. It
Speaker 4: was still pretty cold out right there. Like I said,
Speaker 4: at that time of the year, there's still snow patches
Speaker 4: all over the place, and even the road, just the
Speaker 4: dirt road driving in there, there was no tracks, there
Speaker 4: was no truck tracks or anything. I was the first
Speaker 4: to lay some rubber on that. But I get down
Speaker 4: onto that game trail, and just before I get and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking this is ideal. The wind's blowing west to east,
Speaker 4: so if there's anything in the canyon, it's not going
Speaker 4: to smell me. So just before I got out onto
Speaker 4: the meadow at the bottom of the canyon, I get
Speaker 4: my camera out, I flipped open the screen. I'm looking
Speaker 4: through it, and I started videotaping to the south in
Speaker 4: the canyon, which was where the game trail kind of
Speaker 4: entered the meadow, but it was completely obscured on the
Speaker 4: western side. Nothing could see me if it was in
Speaker 4: the canyon. I take one step out onto the meadow
Speaker 4: and I'm looking to the south and I'm just scanning
Speaker 4: the trees over there, and I'm just holding it out
Speaker 4: in front of me right and out of the corner
Speaker 4: of my eye, I see some movement off to my
Speaker 4: right as I'm filming this direction. I turned my head
Speaker 4: to look over to see what motion I was seeing,
Speaker 4: and there's a male sasquatch crouched down, not a stump squatch.
Speaker 4: There was a fallen tree that's digging at the base
Speaker 4: of this tree and it was pulling things up. I
Speaker 4: didn't know what and I stood there. I didn't whip
Speaker 4: the camera, but it's that one second, right, that one
Speaker 4: or two second pause where you're just but I'm still
Speaker 4: holding the camera out in front of me. I had
Speaker 4: turned my head and I'm looking right at it. As
Speaker 4: I'm staring at it digging, it looks right at me.
Speaker 4: I was one hundred and twenty feet away, but it's
Speaker 4: staring right at me daytime, looking right at me. Our
Speaker 4: eyes locked for was probably only two seconds, maybe a second,
Speaker 4: but it seemed like forever because it's like that image
Speaker 4: burned in my mind. It was down where its knees
Speaker 4: were like almost up to its shoulders right, and its
Speaker 4: butt was almost on the ground, so if you can
Speaker 4: picture that pose with that as he looked up, looked
Speaker 4: at me and then went without using hands, its legs
Speaker 4: came up out of that crouch position and jumped, and
Speaker 4: its first step was six feet away from where it
Speaker 4: was sitting now. As I saw that first step, that
Speaker 4: was about the time I started rotating the camera over
Speaker 4: towards it. By its second step, it was into the brush.
Speaker 4: If they're in a hurry to get out of a place.
Speaker 4: It sounds like a vehicle driving through brush. It was
Speaker 4: just bam boom, crash boom. As I'm looking that direction,
Speaker 4: totally done that. You can hear crashing. As I'm filming
Speaker 4: now looking towards the west to the south where I
Speaker 4: had been initially looking, I could hear crashing going on
Speaker 4: there as well, at least two individuals. But this was
Speaker 4: the same exact area where I had my second site
Speaker 4: as well. So I went down the canyon to the
Speaker 4: area where the snow melt had been where we had
Speaker 4: found Prince earlier. I couldn't find any prints there, so
Speaker 4: on the way back then I stopped and that's when
Speaker 4: I took the measurements and found that it was six
Speaker 4: foot stride. As it took off, it was pulling up
Speaker 4: small ferns were starting to come up. I know there's
Speaker 4: a name for them when they're small and cute curly,
Speaker 4: and it was actually just eating those. So the one thing,
Speaker 4: and I state this because as it jumped up, stood
Speaker 4: up straight and jumped, I tell it was a male.
Speaker 4: I will tell you that they're not circumcised. It was
Speaker 4: a heck of a sighting. Like I said, I was
Speaker 4: maybe up there fifty minutes to an hour, got pick
Speaker 4: in the car and drove up Flagstaff. Spent the rest
Speaker 4: of the day loading up a dorm and moving it
Speaker 4: down to Fienix. But it was definitely a worthwhile stop
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: It definitely sounds like you have had some amazing experiences
Speaker 1: of these things. I've got to go back to one
Speaker 1: of the weirdest things, other than obviously the missing time situation,
Speaker 1: I've heard that from other people that have had weird
Speaker 1: experiences that seem to be time slips or missing time
Speaker 1: when they're out looking for these creatures. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to make of that, but I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the glowing red eyes that you saw. Sure,
Speaker 1: that is something that I've heard so many times from
Speaker 1: people that frankly, I used to scoff at it. I
Speaker 1: used to do the really loud eye roll in the
Speaker 1: back of my head when people would say, oh, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't eyeshine. These were self illuminating eyes until I
Speaker 1: saw it myself last summer and it completely blew me away,
Speaker 1: and it changed my perspective immediately, because seeing truly is believing, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about that. It is
Speaker 1: something that I have went down the rabbit hole on
Speaker 1: since I had my experience last summer. It's something that
Speaker 1: it would be very unique in a number of ways
Speaker 1: if these creatures have that ability, or if that's something
Speaker 1: that their eyes do, because we don't have that as
Speaker 1: human beings. We don't have the mechanism to pay them
Speaker 1: loose at them or I'm sure there's a different pronunciation,
Speaker 1: but I say to pay them loose to them. We
Speaker 1: don't have that. No great apes have that, So it
Speaker 1: would be unique in a number of ways. A sasquatch
Speaker 1: would have to exist. I know they do. You know
Speaker 1: they do because we've seen them. That's a tough place
Speaker 1: for a lot of people to even get. Okay, first
Speaker 1: of all, sasquatch has to exist, and then they have
Speaker 1: to have glowing eyes, which is just let's be real,
Speaker 1: it's just weird for something to have that. Then it
Speaker 1: would be unique to if these things are great apes,
Speaker 1: or if they're even closer to us, it would be
Speaker 1: a unique human trait or a unique ape trait. It's
Speaker 1: completely subjective because I've seen it and I have no
Speaker 1: clue what it is. Do you have any theories or
Speaker 1: what do you think about the glowing red eyes in general?
Speaker 4: Since I've seen that one time, I've seen it another
Speaker 4: time where it was a little brighter, a little more
Speaker 4: red than the previous one, which went from red to
Speaker 4: orange to yellow. This was just simply red. I couldn't
Speaker 4: explain those red eyes glowing out of the woods. In effect,
Speaker 4: I won't get into my Long Island experiences. But that's
Speaker 4: how I ended up finding out where they were on
Speaker 4: Long Island was because of the red eyes. Other reports
Speaker 4: like that, because parentormal groups were like there was haunting
Speaker 4: red eyes looking at me out of the woods and
Speaker 4: so forth, and it was a ghost or a demon there.
Speaker 4: But okay, great, it wasn't neither of those. It was
Speaker 4: a sasquatch. So that's why I found them there. But
Speaker 4: since I had witnessed it twice, it was one of
Speaker 4: those things like how on earth can they do it?
Speaker 4: Because I know that they can see it incredibly well
Speaker 4: at night. Right Obviously their eyes aren't glowing from inside,
Speaker 4: because otherwise you would lose night vision. I think they
Speaker 4: use it for silent communication if they're possibly hunting. I
Speaker 4: don't think they're using it to scare people off. I
Speaker 4: think it's a communication in between one another if they're
Speaker 4: trying to be really stealthy. That's my theory. At least,
Speaker 4: I think that it probably lends itself to just their
Speaker 4: strategic intelligence. Right. If they know I'm going to be quiet,
Speaker 4: or I'm going to be noisy here, I'm going to
Speaker 4: drive dear this direction, I'll be noisy, they know they're smart.
Speaker 4: My theory is that we have a remnant of a
Speaker 4: third eyelid. If you look in the corner of your eye,
Speaker 4: if you were living in the woods for centuries, well
Speaker 4: over twenty thousand years, I think they have have a
Speaker 4: third eyelid that's actually developed so it can actually cover
Speaker 4: their eyelids. Because if you're running through the woods at night,
Speaker 4: you don't want sticks poking you in the eye as
Speaker 4: you're running through the woods, right, So it makes sense
Speaker 4: that they're able to extend their third eyelid over their
Speaker 4: eye as they run out the eyeball looking in the
Speaker 4: face in the daylight, you could not see the whites
Speaker 4: on the outside. It was just like a dog eye,
Speaker 4: but even just deep I don't know, almost like it
Speaker 4: was wearing goggles. So my theory is at least that
Speaker 4: that third eyelid can extend over the cornea, and the
Speaker 4: material in that third eyelid actually has a bioluminescent quality
Speaker 4: to it where they can actually by iluminescent that third eyelid. Now,
Speaker 4: the interesting thing was, I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 4: seen the video footage of the white sasquatch in Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: where the guy had gone out in his backyard because
Speaker 4: he heard some noise out there and then suddenly it turned.
Speaker 4: You caught it on film. It was interesting because MK
Speaker 4: Davis did some analysis on that, and also Thinker Thunker
Speaker 4: did that when validated that the difference in the face
Speaker 4: structure was not human. MK Davis did a little more research.
Speaker 4: As that white sasquatch turns and starts running off, you
Speaker 4: actually can see a third eyelid starting to extend as
Speaker 4: it ticks off. When I saw that, I had already
Speaker 4: proposed this theory before, and I was like, there it
Speaker 4: is right there. You can see the third eyelid extending. Now,
Speaker 4: whether or not it's bioluminescent or not, I have no
Speaker 4: way to prove or disprove that, but it makes sense. So,
Speaker 4: like we were saying before, if you've witnessed something right,
Speaker 4: So now I have to come up with an explanation
Speaker 4: of it. They're regular eyelid luminescence, because then they'd have
Speaker 4: their eyes closed. That wouldn't make sense. But the third eyelid,
Speaker 4: it certainly could do that. That's the only thing I
Speaker 4: can think of.
Speaker 1: That's definitely something I've never heard before. So I'm definitely
Speaker 1: going to go down that rabbit home ext and explore
Speaker 1: that we're going to have to have you back. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there's so much that I don't think we got into.
Speaker 1: I guess here's the question that's going to be on
Speaker 1: everybody's mind. And this used to be one of those
Speaker 1: things that I had a really difficult time with.
Speaker 4: Two things.
Speaker 1: You had a sighting where a couple of times you
Speaker 1: have a camera in your hand and you come away
Speaker 1: without a shot. And that is the thing that every
Speaker 1: skeptic goes to. And I get it because I used
Speaker 1: to be there. I used to be that guy on
Speaker 1: the fence wanting these things to be real and wondering
Speaker 1: why so many people had these experiences, and we have
Speaker 1: very little documentation until I had my experiences. Last summer,
Speaker 1: I was filming a documentary with a camera crew with me, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we caught what I saw on
Speaker 1: film right now. Fully, we got some things that are there,
Speaker 1: but not fully what I experienced and a couple of
Speaker 1: other people experienced on this trip in this expedition while
Speaker 1: we're from this documentary. So it's easy for people like
Speaker 1: us who've had those experiences, very close up experiences with
Speaker 1: these creatures. I've been there as well. I don't have
Speaker 1: a photo to show for it, and that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that I wished I could convey to the
Speaker 1: people who roll their eyes. It's like you said, I've
Speaker 1: talked about this on the show before. I think even
Speaker 1: challenge folks. Go to the woods, take your kid, take
Speaker 1: your better half, whatever, walk along a trail and set
Speaker 1: them up behind a tree and tell them, hey, just
Speaker 1: step across the trail from one side to the other.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to know where you are on the trail.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have myself on in the hand and see
Speaker 1: if you can get a photo or a video of
Speaker 1: that quick encounter with your better half or your kid.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you you could do that ten times out
Speaker 1: of ten. Most of the time you're not going to
Speaker 1: have the presence of mind to get your phone in
Speaker 1: the position you could even have the camera open, because
Speaker 1: I've interviewed people that said I had my camera open
Speaker 1: and it was in my hand and I still didn't
Speaker 1: get a shot of this thing. So that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that I like to try to put to
Speaker 1: rest as much as I can, because there will be
Speaker 1: people that listen to this and go, I had two
Speaker 1: cameras in his hand, where's the photographic evidence or where's
Speaker 1: the video? And that is why that happens. It's not
Speaker 1: an excuse at this point. It's not an excuse for
Speaker 1: people who have had those kind of encounters to come
Speaker 1: away and not have that. It is just the reality
Speaker 1: of the situation. Like you said, it's very fast in
Speaker 1: most cases and shocking.
Speaker 4: You would have to be like a psychopath in order
Speaker 4: to not have a reaction to that when you're not
Speaker 4: expecting it. Now, even in your example of the family
Speaker 4: members stepping down of the trip, you know that there's
Speaker 4: somewhere in the woods and they're going to do that.
Speaker 4: You're expecting them to step out, But when they step out,
Speaker 4: they're not eight foot tall, eight hundred to one thousand pounds, right.
Speaker 4: You would have to be Superman in order to one
Speaker 4: not to fight off your fight or flight reaction. And
Speaker 4: two everybody complains about blurry photos.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: You're under a forest canopy, right, so it's lower light
Speaker 4: in the first place. If you get a camera up,
Speaker 4: you'd have to make sure that your hand's completely steady
Speaker 4: because you have ice water in your veins, and you
Speaker 4: expected to have an eight foot tall humanoid step out
Speaker 4: in front of you. You expect them to stand completely still,
Speaker 4: so you could get a great shot, just like your
Speaker 4: snapchat shot. Right. No, it doesn't happen that way. They're
Speaker 4: moving and they move fast, so even if you do
Speaker 4: get a shot off, they're going to be blurry because
Speaker 4: they're moving. They're cooking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing is it's been covered so many
Speaker 1: times in the past, but it is one of those
Speaker 1: things that people point to. Bob Gimblin, not the Bob Gimblin,
Speaker 1: but Bob Gimblin over on YouTube did a video. I
Speaker 1: think it was probably a month or so ago. When
Speaker 1: I actually talked about it over on the other podcast,
Speaker 1: that Bigfoot podcast. We talked about it because he was
Speaker 1: showing some of the things that he thought were just
Speaker 1: completely unfakeable, unhoaxable footage of these creatures, and he was
Speaker 1: comparing some of the blurrier shot that people produce of
Speaker 1: these bigfoot or sasquatch creatures. Bob Gimlin showed where he
Speaker 1: had been to the zoo recently. He's over the enclosure
Speaker 1: where these gorillas are, and he's got a brand new
Speaker 1: iPhone and he's trying to focus on these things. He
Speaker 1: took a series of photos of these two particular gorillas
Speaker 1: with a baby that he didn't even see at the
Speaker 1: time because his photo was so blurry. He said, look,
Speaker 1: I was trying, I was focused, I knew it was
Speaker 1: a gorilla. I'm at the zoo, I'm trying to take
Speaker 1: some really cool photos, and every single one I took
Speaker 1: turned out blurry. You think about just those conditions in
Speaker 1: and of itself, that's going to happen with these situations,
Speaker 1: and cameras are set up, even your iPhones. Most cameras,
Speaker 1: they're designed to focus on what's closest to them. So
Speaker 1: if there's a leaf or a tree or a stick
Speaker 1: in between you and what you're trying to take a
Speaker 1: photo of that's going to be crisp and clear, and
Speaker 1: whatever's behind it is going to be blurry. So it's
Speaker 1: just the facts of it. And I'm certainly not trying
Speaker 1: to make any excuses for you, me or anybody else
Speaker 1: at this point. It is just the reality of what
Speaker 1: we're dealing with. And it's easy for people who don't
Speaker 1: want to believe, or for people who want to cast
Speaker 1: aspersions on people who have encounters, to say you should
Speaker 1: have done this or you should have done that. The
Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterbacking. I'm just not there for it because
Speaker 1: I've had my own experiences and i know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be in that moment and the fear and
Speaker 1: the adrenaline, all the things that are happening. It is
Speaker 1: almost impossible to get a photo or a video in
Speaker 1: the moment unless you've got camera set up behind you
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 4: In the meantime, I've gotten go pros that I'll mount
Speaker 4: on the front of my head in the back of
Speaker 4: my head if I'm going hiking by myself, then you
Speaker 4: end up with eighteen hours of video that you have
Speaker 4: to look through. All you're doing is seeing trees and squirrels.
Speaker 4: That's about it for the most part. Somehow, I think
Speaker 4: they know when you've got a setup like that. I
Speaker 4: think they're attuned to that. So years ago I used
Speaker 4: to set up game cameras and motion sensors that would
Speaker 4: flip on night vision cameras. I made these what I
Speaker 4: called was IR bombs. They were remotely set off, so
Speaker 4: when the motion occurred, there was no ir and then suddenly,
Speaker 4: basically there's IR spotlights everywhere with the camera sprey on.
Speaker 4: Didn't catch a thing, nothing, So I gave up on
Speaker 4: all that. So when I go up camping now, I
Speaker 4: literally roll up by park A lot of times I
Speaker 4: start I impact things and almost instantly I'll hear like a
Speaker 4: rock clack or a ranch a tree strike close to camp,
Speaker 4: and I'll say, hey, guys. They come in, and I
Speaker 4: enjoy that so much more than trying to trick them
Speaker 4: and try to get evidence. Initially, I was like, I
Speaker 4: need to prove this to everybody, and now I'm just like,
Speaker 4: if you want to join me, come on up and
Speaker 4: we'll hang out and you can interact with them. It's
Speaker 4: definitely interesting experience.
Speaker 1: We will definitely have to have you back You've got
Speaker 1: some great documentations, you took some great photos. You sent
Speaker 1: us a ton of stuff via email. If you guys
Speaker 1: want to see that stuff, I will do a blog
Speaker 1: post when this comes out, So you guys head over
Speaker 1: to Panormal World Productions dot com check out the Sasquatch
Speaker 1: Odyssey blog at the top of the page and you
Speaker 1: can see the documentation that Carl sent over. Carl, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show. We've had a
Speaker 1: blast talking to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 5: stay said, joy this child, that chart, everything come right back.
Speaker 5: Joy for me and enjoy staying right.
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