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Dot Untold Radio 22 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:06.560 network dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.319 on here. Something just killing my dog. Something to kill 25 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.280 your dog, my dog. We're flying through the or over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it. Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.519 over the fence, and they would dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Mad, What are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.480 enough here. Look, I'm new to the window now and 34 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:08.840 I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:11.479 hit the buddy out here? 36 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:12.199 What quent? 37 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 I'm out there. I thought of a bit of about 38 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.159 second foot nine. I don't know. Easy out there. Yeah, 39 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:18.199 I'm working right away. 40 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:20.479 I folks on a welcome my guest to the show. 41 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:22.840 It is Carl from Arizona. Welcome to the show. 42 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:24.840 Hey, thank you very much for having me on. 43 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:26.840 I am glad to have you. Let's get right into it. 44 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.360 Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What got you interested 45 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:29.879 in the subject? 46 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.919 To begin with, I'll rewind quite a bit. My dad 47 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.439 was a subscriber to Argacy magazine. I don't know if 48 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.120 you remember that. I remember an issue came out when 49 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:45.400 I was a kid about this hairy person beast at 50 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.319 that time, I'm not even sure they called it Bigfoot 51 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:49.680 in that issue, but they had photos posted in there, 52 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.080 and I was intrigued by that. Right fast forward into 53 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.560 the seventies, when I was in school, a lot of 54 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.199 times teacher to sign an assignment saying, conduct your own 55 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.360 poll on a topic. Put together the numbers on that. 56 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:04.919 I did that. Of course, one of my topic was 57 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.240 do you believe in Bigfoot? But do you believe in ghosts? 58 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.000 Do you believe in UFOs? Quite a few other topics 59 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.560 like that. That was the only kid that had that 60 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.759 array of pulling questions. It was fascinating. I saw the 61 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.680 in search of with the Leonard Nimoy, But in my 62 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.159 mind it was like, there's the realm of possibility. It 63 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.280 exists that I'd never see one in my life. They're 64 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.560 all in northern California or Washington State or Oregon. That 65 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.400 was at least my viewpoint at that time. I wasn't 66 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.360 even considering Arizona, although when I was in Boy Scouts, 67 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.080 but there was always the legend of the Mogion Monster 68 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:43.639 in Arizona. The Mogian Rim is this large escarpment that 69 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:47.800 cuts pretty much the state in half. It's a twenty 70 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:52.240 to twenty five hundred foot rise in elevation sharply. There 71 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:56.319 had been stories and legends from there about the Mogion Monster, 72 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:59.520 right which it was great for telling around a campfire 73 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.319 when you're in boy Scouts. That was about it. Nineteen 74 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:06.039 eighty two, I'm up on the Rim. Everybody in Arizona 75 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:08.360 just calls it the Rim, not mogianm I'm up on 76 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.199 the Rim camping with two of my high school buddies. 77 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.360 We had actually paddled across the lake up on the Rim, 78 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.519 so we're camping on the far side, three guys in 79 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.360 a tent. We fished a little bit that evening and 80 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:25.120 then took some dinner, and then about ten pm we 81 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.680 went to bed. Three am in the morning, something howls 82 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.639 unbelievably loud. You could just feel it in your chest. 83 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:35.519 It sounded like it was one hundred yards away. If 84 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.519 that pitch black darkness. Three guys roll out of the 85 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:43.199 tent at three am trying to decide to just leave 86 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.800 everything and get in the boat and go row across 87 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.160 the lake. We stood out there for a few minutes 88 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.600 trying to set it, until finally we had convinced ourselves 89 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.600 it must have been a large coyote. Maybe it was 90 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.160 a wolf, but of course at that time the Mexican 91 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:01.839 gray wolf hadn't been introduced to Arizonia. So went back 92 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:05.759 to bed. Didn't think anything of that. Over time, I 93 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:09.639 did plenty of hiking trips into wilderness areas, and there 94 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.360 was always some odd things that happened at camp and 95 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.800 everything that was strange. Didn't really recognize that it was 96 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.759 anything special, just unusual and took note of it, but 97 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:23.879 shrugged it off and went about our way. Jump ahead 98 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:26.199 to two thousand and eight. I'm sitting in my living 99 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.120 room with my son watching TV. Messing with Sasquatch commercial 100 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.759 comes on. It's the one where the Sasquatches walking alongside 101 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:36.759 the road. They stopped the car and they're like, hey, buddy, 102 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:41.000 want to ride. They keep teasing him until he tosses 103 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.480 one of the passenger out of the car. I start 104 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.800 laughing my ass off because it was pretty funny. My 105 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.040 son just sat there he's sixteen at the time. He's 106 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.639 thirty three. Now, gosh, he's sitting there and didn't laugh. 107 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.079 I said, how could you not be laughing? That was hilarious. 108 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.079 He says, Dad, Bigfoot's not real. It's been proven not 109 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.120 to be real. I said, really, you're sixteen years older, 110 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.040 that jaded that something has to be reality in order 111 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:09.560 for you to take it even humorously. And how do 112 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:11.360 you know that they're not I said, they've never been 113 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.519 proven not real or not. He was like, oh, yeah, yes, 114 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:16.279 it had, Yes it had. I said, okay, let's go 115 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.199 online look and he was like, oh, the BBC ran 116 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:22.480 a special on that that showed how they replicated it perfectly. 117 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:26.959 So I found a website that actually showed the BBC 118 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:32.079 recreation versus the Patterson Gimblin film. I could see the 119 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.000 look on his face was like, that's not even close. 120 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.839 How can they say that they had replicated it? So 121 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:40.839 I said, I'll tell you this. In nineteen eighty two, 122 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.600 I tell him the story about this howl and he goes, 123 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.120 come on, Dad in Arizona. I said, I don't know. 124 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:49.879 There's always the legend of the Moogian Monster. I can't 125 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.639 discount it. One way or the other until I, you know, 126 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:54.839 kind of opened my eyes a little bit. So I 127 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:59.319 googled Bigfoot Arizona. The very first website that came up 128 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.639 was the BA website. We went out there and I saw, oh, 129 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:05.839 they've got reports by state. So the two of us 130 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.639 sat there and reread through all the Arizona sightings, some 131 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.439 of which are down in the desert, and I was like, wow, 132 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.399 I never knew that there was these different reports. Then 133 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.000 I saw a link to some audio and it was 134 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.759 the Ohio howl that THEFRO had on the website. So 135 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.319 I clicked on that. That was the second time that 136 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.839 I heard that howl. The hairs stood up on my arms. 137 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:33.759 He could see the look on my face, but it 138 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:38.319 was really an absolute auditory memory. He was taken back. Okay, 139 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:40.439 maybe there was something to this. I said, look, there 140 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.439 was an expedition coming up in three weeks. I said, look, 141 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:44.959 you want to see if we can get involved in 142 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.199 that open to the woods with some crazy people, and 143 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.160 you and I will have a good time just camping 144 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:52.560 by ourselves. But who knows, maybe we'll learn something, and 145 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:56.360 who knows, maybe we'll even experience something. Right, And He's Okay, 146 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:01.279 So we registered went up on this expedition. So the 147 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.560 very first night or afternoon actually Matt Moneymaker was leading 148 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.199 that expedition. We get up there and the very first 149 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:12.600 thing he's doing it tells us in the orientation session. 150 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.480 He tells us that they're omnivores, right, And I remember 151 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.000 in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, great, one's going to 152 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.560 grab my son. My wife will never forgive me. And 153 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.759 of course in my mind I'm thinking like Harry and 154 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.000 the Hendersons right, burrying deer heads in the backyard or something. 155 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.959 We go out that evening there had been a report 156 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.879 that was really near where the expedition base camp had 157 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.919 been reported not even four days prior, where a couple 158 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:42.320 that had a van, their camping van attacked in the 159 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:45.799 middle of the night where a large log had been 160 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:49.600 thrown at it and it broke the side mirror on 161 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.320 their camper and they ended up firing up the van 162 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.639 and left all their stuff. So they reported this. We 163 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.039 get over to that area. In fact, there was still 164 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.519 broken mirror on the ground from the thing when we 165 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.200 get there. It was early evening. By the time we 166 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.960 got there investigate the area, it gets pitch black, dark 167 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.720 up there. Obviously it's a dense woods. We had a 168 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:14.039 large group, about twenty people, and he splits us into 169 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:18.399 two groups. One group goes to the west. The other group, 170 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.840 which I was in, we went to the east. Matt 171 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:26.480 does his howl that probably everybody's seen on finding Bigfoot. 172 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.080 I had my recorder going thankfully at the time, but 173 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.759 we had to walk about a quarter mile and the 174 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:34.440 pitch black darkness. Don't use any lights because they won't 175 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.480 know you're there, So we're out there in the darkness. 176 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:42.519 Matt howels. Probably within four seconds of him howling, a 177 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:47.320 howl comes back from due north. About two seconds later 178 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:51.279 another howl from the northwest, and then about maybe five 179 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:56.039 to seven seconds after that, from the southwest, a distant 180 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.200 howl came in. So there was three howls for good 181 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:00.840 and I got that all red forwarded and that was 182 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.120 one of those Eureka moments where I was like, I 183 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.919 need to figure out what's going on. 184 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:11.679 Okay, this is mad. I'm gonna give a howl in Kentucken. 185 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:44.840 Suggest that was not echo. There's till that one too, 186 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.279 So I just O, my gosh. 187 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:47.919 To my twelve to. 188 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:53.120 Oh my god, another one. 189 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:55.559 Can you tell me. 190 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.399 Ire people yelling back at it. 191 00:10:59.799 --> 00:13:01.919 No after that, I was the rest of that expedition, 192 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.440 we heard knocks, but for the most part it was 193 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:08.000 pretty quiet. And the one evening we're all it had 194 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:10.759 just had a massive rainstorm. In fact that we ended 195 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:15.120 up hiking into this canyon so damp. My jeans from 196 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.840 the knees down were just as if I walked through 197 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.120 a lake. They were really wet from all the ferns 198 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.360 and everything. And we get to this one location and 199 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.159 we're all kind of sitting in the darkness at the 200 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.120 bottom of the canyon and across the meadow. We heard 201 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.879 a couple of quick snap right, but we couldn't see anything. 202 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.519 There was one person that had a thermal monocular. I 203 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.759 think I had a night vision binocular. Didn't see anything, 204 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:45.559 but about twenty minutes later, this kind of a red 205 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.200 And everybody always says like they talk about eyeshine, They're like, 206 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:53.519 I shine my flashlight at them, or my head lights hit. No, 207 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:58.039 I'm talking there was it pitch black darkness. Nobody has 208 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.000 a light on, and it's only starlight now branded the 209 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.840 star It was so clear outside you could actually see 210 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.039 the Andromeda Galaxy with your naked eye, but I see 211 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.000 this red glow, and about eight other people saw it. 212 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.799 Wasn't a hallucination or anything, but you could see this 213 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.759 red glow. It wasn't bright, it was faint. It went 214 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.600 from a reddish to an orange, little bitty yellow tinge 215 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.159 to it, but it was bright enough to see it, 216 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.799 and it was maybe I want to say, it's probably 217 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.919 one hundred yards one hundred and twenty yards across this 218 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:38.240 meadow at the other woodline, across the bottom of the canyon, 219 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.240 and you could see this light, this reddish light that 220 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.799 was very natural. The strangest part was that you could 221 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:51.600 actually see leaves near the glow that were illuminated by 222 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:55.320 that red light. That made me go, how was that possible? 223 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.799 And that's really how we end up using the scientific method, Right, 224 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:02.200 we have to observe. Right, you make an observation. 225 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.519 And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea. We'll 226 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.120 be right back after these. 227 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:14.639 Messages, and then you put together a thesis on how 228 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:17.600 am I going to describe what I saw? But after 229 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:20.279 that I was hooked. Right. That was early August two 230 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:23.919 thousand and eight. By the time October comes around, I 231 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:27.559 decide I'll take my kids up there and we'll explore 232 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:32.120 that same canyon the complex. We get up there with 233 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.159 the kids, and by this time I had put together 234 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.759 some remote recorders that I could hang up in trees. 235 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.440 I'd started building a local collection. I got five of 236 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.440 them now that I built. It was a good time. 237 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:46.399 I took my nephew, my daughter, my son. We all 238 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.919 get up there. We got hiking the entire day. I 239 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.559 got up very early in the morning, went hiking up 240 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.879 and down the canyons. I picked the good locations I 241 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.720 had put up some of the recorders. I think I 242 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.240 had three at that time. Tried to triangulate him in 243 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.879 this canyon that I was going to do. I figured 244 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.399 we'd come back later that night to do research. And 245 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.879 so we get back up there, getting sunset, and we 246 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.480 get back to camp. The kids are hungry. I cook 247 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:17.159 some dinner based on BF standards. Right, you don't go 248 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.639 out till after ten PM because they don't come out anyway. 249 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.639 I'll get into more of my insights later. But you 250 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.600 watched the movie on the DVD player in the vehicle, 251 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.960 and then finally I'm like, okay, let's all head out, right, 252 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.720 but we're driving back up to that location and my 253 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.240 daughter's not feeling too good. So by the time we 254 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.519 get to the location where I want to do some calls, 255 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.039 that was my initial thought. I get up there and 256 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:46.720 my daughter's I'm not feeling that great, so she stays 257 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.000 in the car. But she was worried about staying alone. 258 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:50.960 My sons, I'll stay with her. The two of them 259 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.759 stayed in the car. I take my twelve year old 260 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.399 nephew out into the canyon. Run the side of a canyon. 261 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.519 It's a ledge that juts out over the canyon a 262 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:05.079 little bit. There was a really large, tall dead tree there, 263 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:08.839 which has since toppled over over the years, but it 264 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:13.079 was perfectly hollow. And why that tree put out a 265 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.000 great sound. So I was like, okay, and before I 266 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.119 do a howl or anything, I'll knock first. So I 267 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.000 knocked twice on the tree due west of us. Within 268 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:24.720 I want to say, within ten seconds, there was a 269 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:29.480 whoop that came back from that distance. I was like, wow, then, 270 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:31.759 my nephews, are you going to whoop back? And I said, 271 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.839 now I'm not. Let's just wait. We hang out there. 272 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.720 I'm telling him about the night vision monocular that he 273 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.039 has giving him instructions on how to use it, and 274 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.079 thinks it's the coolest thing ever. So after I don't know, 275 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.480 it was probably like fifteen twenty minutes, I did another 276 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.319 two knocks, and this time a whoop comes back, and 277 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.400 it's probably a thousand feet away on the other side 278 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:57.400 of the canyon. Nephew's like, whispers, are you going to 279 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.599 knock back? I go, it knows exactly where we are. 280 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:05.680 After another maybe five minutes, we start hearing rock clatter 281 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.599 coming down into the creek bed below. Because if something's 282 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.559 coming down, everybody's heard that, you know, in the past 283 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:14.400 I have said, oh, maybe that's an elk or a 284 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.559 deer or whatever. They don't. Then you could hear something 285 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.559 bushwhacking up the side of the canyon towards us. Then 286 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.519 it stops. My nephew's looking through the nightsco tyrs turned on, 287 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:29.720 so he's looking down there and he sees something go 288 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.200 like that. Now it's further down the hill, so you 289 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.519 really couldn't make out the details, but you could see 290 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.279 a motion of something just rocking out, rocking back. He 291 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.160 gives me the scope. I would look. I see it 292 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.039 do it a couple of times, and then after a 293 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.240 little bit it stops doing it. You don't see it, 294 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:53.559 but you could hear just ever so slightly perceptible twig 295 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.119 snaps and everything. Then later on I like to calling 296 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.799 forest ninjas because I don't know how they can move 297 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.680 through forrest litter like that and not make a lot 298 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.279 of noise. It was coming closer, and then pretty soon 299 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:07.599 it just stopped. We couldn't see it because of all 300 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:10.519 the dense vegetation. There was a lot of locusts growing up. 301 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.279 You just couldn't see through it. It was night vision only. 302 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.519 We stood there and I was trying to decide what 303 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.559 should I do, And I remember everybody talked about how 304 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.960 they liked to mirror you as you're walking down a 305 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.440 trail or whatever. They'll just move along. And I said, 306 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.440 I got an idea. Let's walk back to the car. 307 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.920 Because we weren't like pointing. I wasn't like going, oh, 308 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.279 it's right there. I wasn't making any sounds. We were 309 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.119 just standing there and the two of us talking every 310 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.599 once in a while, whispering. I said, let's just walk 311 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.480 back towards the car, pretend like we didn't see anything. Well, 312 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.279 we're just going to head back to the car. When 313 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.759 I tell you stop, as we're walking back towards the car, 314 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.920 just stop dead in your tracks, right. So we start 315 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:58.440 walking back towards the car, which was probably about one 316 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.319 hundred and fifty feet away. Get a distance away, and 317 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.160 I said stop. We stopped completely dead, and you could 318 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:09.000 hear one extra step down below us, right. I was like, okay, 319 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.279 it's following us. I said, now, do you remember when 320 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:13.519 we came out here during the daytime. You remember that 321 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.400 section of woods where you can see all the way 322 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:19.039 down to the creek bed. And he said, I remember that. 323 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:21.799 And I said that's up ahead here, and I said, 324 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.400 I'm going to be listening for any sounds in that 325 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:29.039 opening where there's no vegetation. Keep the thermal camera pointed 326 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.839 down with the infrared because at that time I suspected 327 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.559 that they could see infrared, although that wasn't maybe proposed 328 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:39.400 around two thousand and seven two eight time frames. So 329 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:42.720 I said, keep the r pointed down just in case. 330 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.599 If I hear anything, I'll tell you. Now you just 331 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:49.240 swing around and look back towards the canyon down in 332 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.599 that open area. So we're walking along and then I 333 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:55.960 hear one twig snap in that open area He turns 334 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.559 and he looks, and here's this twelve year old who's 335 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.079 been out the way was for fifty two minutes. He says, Yep, 336 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.960 there it is. I said, what's it doing? And he 337 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.559 said looking at me. I said, give me the scope. 338 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.559 So he hands me the scope and I could get 339 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.599 it up to my eye just in time to see 340 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:19.440 her take one last step before going behind a tree. 341 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.119 I could see a left profile her left shoulder. Her 342 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:25.119 arm had thrown back a little bit, so you could 343 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:30.759 see a side view of a breast. She steps behind 344 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.440 this tree, and she steps behind the tree. She grabs 345 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:37.359 onto the side of the tree, so she's hanging on 346 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.400 the tree like this. The hand is visible. Can't see 347 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.279 her at all. You could just see the hand. We 348 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.720 were thirty feet away from that tree where she hid behind. 349 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.359 You could see the hand that she had. That hand 350 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:53.799 on the side of the tree. At least three minutes, 351 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:56.400 and it was enough for my nephew and I passing 352 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.039 the scope back and forth looking at it, and there 353 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.359 was slight magnificently on the night vision scope. You could 354 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:05.720 see the fingernails. They were pretty rough. But the best 355 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:08.359 part was that there was shorter hairs on the hand 356 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:11.920 back of the hand, but you could actually see the 357 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.039 longer hairs hanging down off of the forearm. There was 358 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.440 just a slight breeze that night, and you could see 359 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.319 the hairs on the forearm just waving in the air 360 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.240 a little bit as she held that side of the tree. 361 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:28.279 I don't think she realized the hand was visible. And 362 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.519 then finally the hand came off the tree and then 363 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.400 couldn't see her anymore. But I assumed she was there 364 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.960 because there was no crashing. So we actually sat down, 365 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:42.839 tried talking a little bit, plack some rocks together. I 366 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:46.240 was trying to get a reaction, didn't hear anything. After 367 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:49.039 a while, I started getting that kind of being annoyed 368 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.279 every noise in the forest, especially behind us up the 369 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:57.160 canyon wall. Was starting to wear on me because I've 370 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:58.960 got my twelve year old nephew. If I thought my 371 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:01.359 wife would kill me, my son was taken and eaten, 372 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:03.480 boy my sister in law, I would have been in 373 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.519 trouble there too. I decided let's pack it in for 374 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:08.799 the night, so I just said bye. By the time, 375 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:10.880 it felt really weird talking to the woods, but they're 376 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:13.319 listening a lot, and walked back towards the car, so 377 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:15.799 we get in the car. The moment we get in 378 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.000 the car, my nephew on Cork's like a bottle of 379 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.119 champagn runs on on telling my kids about what he 380 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.640 just saw. And then I wanted to know exactly what 381 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:27.680 he saw, because I didn't see that initial look. And 382 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:31.440 he said that as he swung around and looked, he 383 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:34.480 only saw the face. He looked at the face, he 384 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.759 didn't notice that there was breasts from a front end. 385 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.799 She was facing directly towards him. He said. Her eyes 386 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.359 got wide and mouth went a gate. Then turned around, 387 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.279 but he said, didn't turn the head, turned to the 388 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:54.400 body and looked behind her, like, oh, there's something behind 389 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.319 me that they're looking at. They didn't see me. How 390 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.559 did they see me? They couldn't have seen me behind 391 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.279 and then came back and looked right at him again. 392 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:05.880 That's why I said, what's it doing? He said, looking 393 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:07.759 at me, And that was about the time it turned 394 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.799 back and was looking at him, and then it took 395 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:13.160 the step over and went behind the tree. Later on 396 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.079 we went back to the location because I was trying 397 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.079 to figure out why she left that left hand sitting 398 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:21.039 on the side of the tree. The hillside was so 399 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.279 sloped right there with the tree I'm standing behind there. 400 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:28.119 I'm six five, so I was trying to recreate exactly 401 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.000