Speaker 1: Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to
Speaker 1: William Ramsey Investigates on Tonight Show. Have a returning guest. We
Speaker 1: talked back before the pandemic started, so it's been almost
Speaker 1: a year and a half. We talked in March. I
Speaker 1: have a two hour program with him to split up
Speaker 1: our last conversation that did two parts, so you can
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that. His name is Visigoth,
Speaker 1: and for me, he's really one of the early greats,
Speaker 1: one of the people who was doing interviews and podcasting
Speaker 1: really at the beginning, you know, maybe really even before
Speaker 1: I did a first show with him, which I think
Speaker 1: was twenty ten, twenty eleven, almost ten years ago. But
Speaker 1: he's interviewed people like Dave McGowan and done so many
Speaker 1: other shows. I think the first one, the show that
Speaker 1: he had was called Grassy Nole based on JFK. Then
Speaker 1: beyond Grassy Noll and some other ones that he can
Speaker 1: go through. But we're just going to kind of reconnect
Speaker 1: talk about some old kind of his old podcasting years
Speaker 1: and kind of bringing up forward right very close to
Speaker 1: the twentieth anniversary of nine to eleven, and we've gone
Speaker 1: through COVID, so we can talk more about that. So,
Speaker 1: Keith Hansome are you there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the original show was called from Beyond the Gress,
Speaker 2: you know, by the person who actually started it. He
Speaker 2: was someone with whom I worked at the library. His
Speaker 2: handle was Harry Spencer. So what he did is we
Speaker 2: did one half hour shows a week. Let's see. I
Speaker 2: think that would be like in like March two thousand,
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, that would be it. And eventually
Speaker 2: I took it to the two AM stations in town
Speaker 2: and did it that way. And all this time we
Speaker 2: did record on radio for all. So I had no
Speaker 2: hand in naming it. Harry named it from the Grass,
Speaker 2: you know. I had a column in a local newspaper
Speaker 2: and their editor, for whatever reason, came that column from
Speaker 2: the Grass, you know. So it was just the serendipity
Speaker 2: or a bad luck, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: That that's how this whole thing started. And I was
Speaker 2: on the AM stations for quite some time, and then
Speaker 2: after that I continued what we what we call now podcasts.
Speaker 1: Right, so you started super early and you kind of
Speaker 1: did investigative journalism parapolitics really from the very beginning, right, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and can you talk about how that developed really from
Speaker 1: the beginning, and you had some great guests on too,
Speaker 1: and did some great investigations. You did one about Lincoln
Speaker 1: and so many of those that I remember now.
Speaker 2: Well. The thing is, in the very beginning, everybody gets
Speaker 2: beguiled by the secret societies and such, and so did we,
Speaker 2: and we kept it along, going along those lines, except
Speaker 2: that I am a Christian, I'm just going to go
Speaker 2: so far with it. And then later on when we
Speaker 2: went on to the AM stations, it got to be
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a I guess, the community
Speaker 2: kind of thing, in the sense that we interviewed people
Speaker 2: who had I mean, it was more Gellon's you know,
Speaker 2: lost children. We did some stuff that was live from
Speaker 2: what Katrina hit New Orleans and that sort of thing. Afterwards,
Speaker 2: when we left the AM stations because they were sold out,
Speaker 2: and you know, things are seldom the same as they
Speaker 2: were before, you you know, before the sale, I started
Speaker 2: doing podcasts and then I got really down on truthfully, sadly, sadly,
Speaker 2: you know, the whole nine to eleven group. I mean it,
Speaker 2: with so many frauds in there. It was it was
Speaker 2: like beaten back ants because they were just you know,
Speaker 2: mucking up the whole thing, and it was not a
Speaker 2: very it's a very distasteful thing to do, but you know,
Speaker 2: that's the way it has to be because you realize
Speaker 2: the barbarians are inside the gate, and that's what happened,
Speaker 2: you know with us.
Speaker 1: So you and you kind of went out on your
Speaker 1: own after the beginning, right, so then you kind of
Speaker 1: started your own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Harry Spencer stayed with me to start
Speaker 2: the show, platform the show, and you can still be
Speaker 2: heard on shows that we did. He took more of
Speaker 2: a back seat when we were on the AM stations.
Speaker 2: They were they were twins stations w d c F
Speaker 2: and w z HR Dade City and Zephyr Hills of Florida.
Speaker 2: And I'm not really sure why that happened. I think
Speaker 2: I just felt like, I I don't know, I mean
Speaker 2: that he just kind of lost interest in it. I
Speaker 2: wasn't sure. But everybody loved them because he was the
Speaker 2: one that busted my balls and and really played the
Speaker 2: jokester to my straight man thing, which I really wasn't
Speaker 2: used to. But everybody loved it and it did work.
Speaker 2: But you know, he faded away and then after that
Speaker 2: was over with, then I started getting serious about some
Speaker 2: of the problems, because, to be honest with you, I
Speaker 2: had to be My goal was in the very beginning
Speaker 2: to find out the way things really were. And I
Speaker 2: got distracted and I did, you know, shows that people
Speaker 2: like to see but I don't you know or hear,
Speaker 2: and I really wasn't comfortable with it. So I had
Speaker 2: a hole of back in and head toward where I
Speaker 2: wanted to go in that is, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: What is going on here? And what's the real deal? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, you just accrued so much experience too during
Speaker 1: all of those years, all of those interviews, some of
Speaker 1: which can still be found. I think he turned into
Speaker 1: the Olympic files, right, so it went beyond Grassy and
Speaker 1: all physigoof Olympic I mean you, I mean we've talked
Speaker 1: about that in the last interview as well. But it
Speaker 1: just like you really were one of the early ones.
Speaker 1: You've got a crude all of that knowledge and was
Speaker 1: able to distill it. Would you share kind of what
Speaker 1: your conclusions were?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you with regard to nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: that was very key at the time that that event happened.
Speaker 2: I actually was in northeastern New Jersey. I was eight
Speaker 2: miles across the river from what was going on that day,
Speaker 2: and it was a spectacular day. But when I went
Speaker 2: up there to visit the old hood, it was my
Speaker 2: want to go ahead and keep my cell phone in
Speaker 2: my pocket and just walk around. And I had no
Speaker 2: idea what happened until I went to visit the friend
Speaker 2: of my late mother to see how she was doing,
Speaker 2: and she said, oh, isn't it awful? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And she brought me into
Speaker 2: her living room and I saw the towers crumble, and
Speaker 2: I said to myself, that's a controlled demolition. The other
Speaker 2: thing that's interesting was that on my way up there,
Speaker 2: I was walking along this very beautiful tree lined street
Speaker 2: because it was early September, I mean, he was still summer,
Speaker 2: and I heard his roar and Teterborough Airport is very
Speaker 2: near where we are, a lot of rock groups would
Speaker 2: fly into Teeterborough and they're like dilapidated, like be whatever
Speaker 2: they were to the planes and then just ferry across
Speaker 2: to the meadowlands. So you were used to plants coming in,
Speaker 2: but this was seen big and had a deafening roar.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a jet because it wasn't that fast. And
Speaker 2: the thing is is that I looked to my south
Speaker 2: down the same street and it was a gentleman that
Speaker 2: was out in the middle of the street looking up too,
Speaker 2: So I looked up. I looked at him, he looked
Speaker 2: at me, and I'm like, man, some plane is in
Speaker 2: trouble and it's going to probably try to drop at Teterborough.
Speaker 2: But that was not the case. Later on to find
Speaker 2: that most likely was. And I don't care how people
Speaker 2: think about this, I don't want to know, but whatever
Speaker 2: that second plane was that hit the towers, it was
Speaker 2: probably that. And a listener to the show on that
Speaker 2: very same day was down in Seacaucus, which would be
Speaker 2: also in the White Path, and was walking between two
Speaker 2: warehouses and heard it. The look that couldn't see it,
Speaker 2: not that it wasn't there, it was just that you
Speaker 2: missed your opportunity. And I have to admit I didn't
Speaker 2: see it, but he heard the same roar. And there
Speaker 2: was video on YouTube that showed a plane that was
Speaker 2: coming around from the north making a U turn and
Speaker 2: heading for the south side of the towers. So I mean,
Speaker 2: eventually I came to the conclusion of what I heard
Speaker 2: was the second plane.
Speaker 1: So you were really right there in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: I mean pretty close. Teterborough, by the way, was where
Speaker 1: Epstein got arrested to twenty nineteen, which is a whole
Speaker 1: nother impression on your story. I mean, that's a whole
Speaker 1: nother subject. But I mean that you were there at
Speaker 1: nine to eleven is pretty incredible. What else what happened next?
Speaker 2: Well? Also what's interesting is is that I believe JFT
Speaker 2: Junior wanted to fly out of Teterborough. He was not
Speaker 2: experienced pilot and chose Essex, and my pilot friend at
Speaker 2: the time told me that on Friday nights there were
Speaker 2: a lot of pilots hanging around just for people who
Speaker 2: want to go someplace and may not be instrumented to
Speaker 2: what to fly at night or in bedweather. And that's
Speaker 2: what happened. I mean, the JFT left from Essex. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever whatever happened overhead was certainly not a plane in distress,
Speaker 2: which I thought it was. It was most likely commercial
Speaker 2: airliner that was now starting to descend and was ready
Speaker 2: to make it quite a u turn into the towers.
Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you. I mean, honestly, I did
Speaker 2: not see a thing. The guy that was, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of hundred yards away from me didn't see
Speaker 2: a thing. But we both heard the same thing. And
Speaker 2: the listener that was down on the Seahaukus heard the
Speaker 2: same thing. So anybody can take anything that they want
Speaker 2: out of that. I'm not going to get into the
Speaker 2: argument about where their planes. Weren't their planes well, something
Speaker 2: knocked them down and with the holograms, and I don't care.
Speaker 2: The point is that William, the whole bit about nine
Speaker 2: to eleven was who's responsible and why did it happen?
Speaker 1: Right? And who's responsible and why did it happen? Do
Speaker 1: you want to answer that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do it to ourselves all the time. There
Speaker 2: were three books that I think are absolutely outstanding about
Speaker 2: the anatomy of a self inflicted wound. They would be
Speaker 2: Robert Stinnett's Day of Deceit. He was a seaman in
Speaker 2: Hawaii at that time. We got information that was eventually released.
Speaker 2: That book came out, I think in two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: There's also a book in nineteen fifty four written by
Speaker 2: Rear Admiral Robert Theobald called the Final Secret of Pearl.
Speaker 2: We'll give you a lot of insight on what happened
Speaker 2: that day, and not know not to overlook what happened
Speaker 2: with the main That's another situation in the Gulf of Talk.
Speaker 2: And that's another situation. But another great book with full
Speaker 2: of footnotes and end notes which are absolutely astounding, was
Speaker 2: Colin Simpson's Lusitania. Now, all three of those events had
Speaker 2: to do with the start of war, and we did
Speaker 2: it to ourselves. So with regard to nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: I don't care if the Jews did it. I don't
Speaker 2: care if the Arabs did it. I don't care if
Speaker 2: the lowest Lablovians did it. But that could not have
Speaker 2: been pulled off without a standdown in this country. We
Speaker 2: let it happen to ourselves. I don't care if Bush
Speaker 2: was in office or Clinton was in office. I don't
Speaker 2: care about any of that kind of stuff. That's what happened, right.
Speaker 1: Didn't you do a whole series on the Lusitania at
Speaker 1: one point? I vaguely remember.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I did. I did a series on Lusitania.
Speaker 2: Simpson got his hands on, you know, previously held back information.
Speaker 2: The stuff that he did show in his book was
Speaker 2: not redacted. And I'll just give you one example to
Speaker 2: let you know where this is going. The Germans had
Speaker 2: sent via their State of Department warnings for passengers in
Speaker 2: the United States, not the board the Lusitania, because the
Speaker 2: Lusitania was carrying stores and ammunition for or Germany's enemy,
Speaker 2: which would beat Britain. Okay, now in the cruiser war records,
Speaker 2: that's that's a foul. Okay, you don't do that, which
Speaker 2: made the Lusitania a prime object. Now what bothered me
Speaker 2: about this, and again folks can read that book for themselves,
Speaker 2: is that Lord Fisher and Churchill, we're both kind of
Speaker 2: sharing the naval duties. I think the Germans sent fifty
Speaker 2: advertisements to be placed in American dailies of of you know,
Speaker 2: some kind of import like the New York Times. However,
Speaker 2: they all got strangled except one. So Wilson killed forty
Speaker 2: nine or the fifty and just said, do not doward
Speaker 2: the Lusitania because it's a ship carrying stores and ammunition
Speaker 2: for the enemy.
Speaker 1: Right, So it becomes a vessel of war, not a
Speaker 1: h you know, public ship.
Speaker 2: It no longer becomes the publican dands, it becomes something
Speaker 2: that you know, as a what do you want to
Speaker 2: call it? A vehicle of.
Speaker 1: The military military ship?
Speaker 2: Really right there, So forty nine of those did not
Speaker 2: make it. Churchill, excuse me, strangle them all and they
Speaker 2: let the people get on board. When the ship sailed,
Speaker 2: as it was passing underneath Ireland, headed for for the
Speaker 2: who was going to Liverpool, I'm not sure, but as
Speaker 2: it was going beneath Ireland and England, the protection for
Speaker 2: it was called back. There's an argument as to where
Speaker 2: the Churchill did it or Fisher did it. You can
Speaker 2: make your own conclusions. But the ship now was without
Speaker 2: any kind of support and the Germans were laying for it. Now,
Speaker 2: the Germans fired one torpedo and this was fair game,
Speaker 2: this is what they were trying to say, and they
Speaker 2: were right, it was fair game. They shot one torpedo.
Speaker 2: It was more in the aft, but there were two explosions,
Speaker 2: and they said we did not shoot a second torpedo,
Speaker 2: and they produced evidence of such. So the point was,
Speaker 2: was it sabotage from within or did the stores the
Speaker 2: munitions rather ignite because the plane was it was not
Speaker 2: a I'm sorry, the ship was not at all.
Speaker 1: Sunk.
Speaker 2: It was listing, but it was not sunk, and then
Speaker 2: after that they called back any kind of rescue service.
Speaker 2: So here so you hear, you got the ship now
Speaker 2: not sinking, able to be rescued, and none of it happened, right.
Speaker 1: And that was the whole thing about The English were
Speaker 1: trying to get the US and the war. They needed
Speaker 1: an excuse. Who's who was the interest of this Lusitania
Speaker 1: going down was really the British Empire at that time,
Speaker 1: so they were the one who's really benefit. The Americans
Speaker 1: are outraged. It's a huge public outrage, right, all these
Speaker 1: civilians go down, so it plays right into the hands
Speaker 1: of the warmongers, it is.
Speaker 2: I mean it took a year or so, but I
Speaker 2: mean that was the cry then, you know, like remember
Speaker 2: the Lusitania and the Germans, you know, laid out everything
Speaker 2: they could. I'm not a Nazi sympathizer, but they were
Speaker 2: within their rights to do what they did, and it
Speaker 2: was almost like they were challenged by the Americans to
Speaker 2: see if they would do that. And of course the
Speaker 2: Americans didn't care because they allowed the passengers to go
Speaker 2: across on the Lusitania and obviously most of them were lost.
Speaker 2: It was it was a tragic treasure event that involved
Speaker 2: you know, babies, and I mean as bad as you
Speaker 2: can think of. It was. So that's there for a while,
Speaker 2: but that was used at I guess a rally cry
Speaker 2: because really we had nothing to do with the Germans.
Speaker 2: I mean, our situation was like we were allies with
Speaker 2: Great Britain. And I asked a friend of mine one time, well,
Speaker 2: what the hell did they ever do for us? Not much? Yeah, no, nothing.
Speaker 2: They brought down the DC in eighteen twelve, so there
Speaker 2: was that whole situation revenue revolutionary war, but yeah, not
Speaker 2: really that much. And that was interesting that Crowley came
Speaker 2: to the US to get the US into war with
Speaker 2: Germany nineteen fourteen. So there all these ties into the Elysia. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Crowley was on one side of yeah, faction without doubt.
Speaker 2: And of course there were certain obviously German sympathizers all
Speaker 2: over New York, right, because shipping was the way to
Speaker 2: go in those days. You didn't have planes, so that
Speaker 2: it was all about shipping, right, So you would hear
Speaker 2: about all intrigues about what was going on in the
Speaker 2: docks in New York. They even got the mafia involved,
Speaker 2: especially in the Second World War, right, actually ferret out,
Speaker 2: you know, access agents. So it's it's a wild time
Speaker 2: and you know you can tell who was who by
Speaker 2: their uniforms.
Speaker 1: Great, No, it really was. I mean New York was
Speaker 1: really something else during that time. What we you and
Speaker 1: I talked about for Rek? Right, I think you mentioned
Speaker 1: Rek V I E. R. E. C K, who was
Speaker 1: a German sympathizer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Lusitania is
Speaker 1: just one of many. So Lusitania the main which is
Speaker 1: a Spanish American. So these huge events were these very
Speaker 1: well known entities ships at the time right where they're
Speaker 1: just like you said, very important. So these kind of
Speaker 1: vessels are going down, Tonkin, it's just happens every twenty
Speaker 1: years almost.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is there's there is a false flag
Speaker 2: trigger and I'm expecting another one. In fact, I put
Speaker 2: much stock in the book that was written by Brizhinski
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four called The Grand Chessboard. Now that's
Speaker 2: a riff off Sir Halford Mackinder's extrapolation, if you will,
Speaker 2: in about nineteen oh nine about who would win. Whoever
Speaker 2: would win the last war and gain the last Empire
Speaker 2: would do so by obtaining the heartland which really is
Speaker 2: the Ukraine and the Slavics. No, not the Slavic states,
Speaker 2: but the Muslim states that are above it. The reason
Speaker 2: why I bring that up is because in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: four there wasn't really anything going on. Read I read
Speaker 2: the book in two thousand and two, so Brazinski writes it,
Speaker 2: and nobody knows who Brazhinsky is. He was like the
Speaker 2: advisor that never goes away, like Kissinger.
Speaker 1: Right right, his daughter is now with CBS News, Minka
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Minka something.
Speaker 1: It's not dog name, like a lapdog name. Sorry, that's terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Brazinski was around, but he is like a Rockefeller frontman,
Speaker 1: so he was always a CFR and writing these book
Speaker 1: yeah and you can talk, Yeah, And he had the
Speaker 1: chessboard itself has kind of an illuminated reference to both
Speaker 1: that and the technotronic era, you know, kind of kind
Speaker 1: of elite absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean the chessboard is a sort of Masonic redo
Speaker 2: of what the Kinder was simply calling the heartland. He
Speaker 2: just made it plain that the next, the last war,
Speaker 2: and the last Empire would be fought actually on land.
Speaker 2: And Here's where I'm going with this and this is
Speaker 2: why it's kind of disturbing that we're over in Afghanistan
Speaker 2: and you know, twenty years and when we've gotten we've
Speaker 2: been okay, fine, that's great, but you see, we're the envelopers.
Speaker 2: We are not land based. Our protection has always been
Speaker 2: two oceans. But now we're going to go ahead and
Speaker 2: go across one ocean and try to continue to supply
Speaker 2: a fighting force over and mostly Afghanistan and Israel or whatever.
Speaker 2: What we Kinder was saying was turn the globe around
Speaker 2: so that we're outliers and understand that whoever fights on
Speaker 2: the Eurasian continent doesn't need a navy. They can use
Speaker 2: the air and they can use the ground. This is
Speaker 2: not going to be a problem for them. Supply wise.
Speaker 2: We have the problem. So the thing is that we're
Speaker 2: not looking too good. And I would call this custom's
Speaker 2: last mistake, if you.
Speaker 1: Know what you mean, Yeah, I mean it doesn't look
Speaker 1: good the whole situation. It's a catastrophe really well.
Speaker 2: And to Hark and another thing, I mean, take this
Speaker 2: for what it's worth, but I mean the German Rosicrucians
Speaker 2: who keep their place and I think it is Quarrytown Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: They consider themselves the rifle heirs of the German Rosicrucians,
Speaker 2: who are the true Rosicrucians, as opposed to the Rosicrucians
Speaker 2: that are out on your coast somewhere up. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So there the old time, they wrote a book that
Speaker 2: was ghosted by a name by Crewington called the Mencius
Speaker 2: Chronicles that would be man isis okay? Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know we talked about this at all. But the thing
Speaker 2: that struck me was they created a scenario where they
Speaker 2: said that the old world would finally reap vengeance on
Speaker 2: the New World and basically kick its ass. Because remember something,
Speaker 2: We're a rental. We've always been a rental. That's all
Speaker 2: we are. That we are as strong as we are
Speaker 2: is as strong as we were allowed to be, and
Speaker 2: indeed we are strong. But when Germany, when Britain started
Speaker 2: to lose it's gas right around the Bower War, it
Speaker 2: was right at that time that Teddy Roosevelt let the
Speaker 2: fleet go around the world and show everybody that we
Speaker 2: kick their ass. So the thing is, we're not looked
Speaker 2: on as being part of the old neighborhood, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? We're not in the state of rich people.
Speaker 2: We're just these like renegades that are on the outside
Speaker 2: that have to be dealt with sooner or later. That's
Speaker 2: what I got from the book them, and this is Chronicles.
Speaker 2: And they said that we would be invaded and the
Speaker 2: only thing that would stop the conflagration would be a
Speaker 2: geological event like tectonic plates shifting as duch, where everybody
Speaker 2: would go back home. That's what they said now. Also
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirteen in their sixteenth complicated book by I
Speaker 2: can't remember, there was a primary family there. I don't
Speaker 2: want to say it was Phelps, it was something else,
Speaker 2: but anyway, they said that eventually Mexico would be brought
Speaker 2: back into like the womb, and then the ascending I
Speaker 2: would be placed atop the pyramid and things would be
Speaker 2: right as they were in the old days. So you
Speaker 2: got two things going here. You've got a projection for
Speaker 2: a war that will kick America's ass and put us
Speaker 2: in place. And you've got a Mexican intrusion into the
Speaker 2: United States, which would bring us back to the way
Speaker 2: we should be. And as they said, they would put
Speaker 2: the seeing Eye could then be placed upon the pyramid, right.
Speaker 1: So they've always been looking to kind of undercut the
Speaker 1: American power, I guess is what one way to take that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we're not part of that old system.
Speaker 2: No, really, we don't belong on the block we've been
Speaker 2: allowed to. I mean, look, I'm not for this, against this,
Speaker 2: but I mean I've seen the way we've been treated,
Speaker 2: and because we are able to teleshoot terribly strong, we
Speaker 2: think that nobody can take us down. But the point is,
Speaker 2: it isn't that. I mean, you know you've heard about
Speaker 2: rig fights. Well, this is going to be a rig fight.
Speaker 2: I mean, how in the world could we not win
Speaker 2: the Korean War? How could we not win the Vietnam wars? Right,
Speaker 2: it was Ford for gains commercially, and that's all there.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's all it was, too And it wasn't
Speaker 2: about right and wrong and freedom and not. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just about there was money there and the
Speaker 2: war made it accessible. And even in the Civil War,
Speaker 2: going back to that, when you were talking to me earlier,
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Lincoln series, I did, it was clear
Speaker 2: that the North did not want the war to end
Speaker 2: as quickly as it did because they were making money,
Speaker 2: as were Confederate officers as we're businessmen. They kept that
Speaker 2: thing going because they were making money for both sides.
Speaker 2: And the Vatican was wholly behind a slave nation because
Speaker 2: remember they're the first slavers in the Westerners.
Speaker 1: They've never cared. The Vatican has never made moves against slavery.
Speaker 1: They've never ever, You've never heard anybody from the Vatican
Speaker 1: be an anti slave person. That's their mentality, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: What people don't realize is that they're two faced. Okay,
Speaker 2: they have an ecclesiastical side to them and many of
Speaker 2: their clergy, whom I have very much adored, But be
Speaker 2: that as it may, they also have a political side,
Speaker 2: a political side. It goes far far back, more than
Speaker 2: anyone realizes. I mean, they got involved in kicking back
Speaker 2: the Otomans in like fifteen forty two in the Battle
Speaker 2: of Laponta. You should just google that. The Vatican frankly
Speaker 2: told the Muslims, you know, you can do what you want,
Speaker 2: but don't ever impinge upon us. Well, they are a
Speaker 2: little too big for their bridges. They came into Eastern
Speaker 2: Europe Bulgaria, Anny and such, and we're moving in on
Speaker 2: the Vatican. The Vatican was like, okay, we can't do this,
Speaker 2: So they had a name be Still. But they also
Speaker 2: called up a flotilla that involve other countries. One of
Speaker 2: the scene that happened to be Servantes if you remember
Speaker 2: that name, right, yeah, And they kicked the most of
Speaker 2: the Ottomans ass that put them back where they were
Speaker 2: until probably.
Speaker 1: World War one, right, So uh yeah, so you still
Speaker 1: have that involvement. I mean, what do you so the
Speaker 1: old world that doesn't like the New world wants to
Speaker 1: undercut it. What's gonna have? What do you think is
Speaker 1: gonna happen next?
Speaker 2: Well, I think we understand what's going on right now.
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with you, I'm fearful. I did
Speaker 2: the shows about what might be. This was included in it,
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I was hoping i'd be
Speaker 2: dead before it happened, But it looks like going to
Speaker 2: be around for this one. The United States is getting
Speaker 2: undercut by a thousand slices. The whole idea of the
Speaker 2: illegal immigration was planned. You could read about that in Genrespell,
Speaker 2: the Refrenchman's book, Uh oh, it was camping the Saints.
Speaker 2: A lot of these books that were considered science fiction
Speaker 2: were also considered futuristic, and you got to you got
Speaker 2: to figure out whether or not they knew something. I
Speaker 2: don't believe they pulled it out of their head or
Speaker 2: I think, like Philip K. Dick and a lot of
Speaker 2: other science fiction writers, they were probably privy to stuff
Speaker 2: and they and they did it. Like Asimov's The Winning Wing,
Speaker 2: which I think we're going through right now, this this
Speaker 2: immigration that happened. We didn't get stupid about keeping people out.
Speaker 2: I got nothing against Mexican's or any Latinos. But the
Speaker 2: point is is a front door to go through that
Speaker 2: everybody used. All right. Ross Bell's book talked about an
Speaker 2: overrunning of prosperous Western nations by worlders. I think that's
Speaker 2: very interesting and I paid attention to it. That was
Speaker 2: written in seventy five. Now, if I can digress for
Speaker 2: a second about ASIMO's The Winning do we ever talk
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 1: Do you know what do you mean by the winn Wing?
Speaker 2: All right? Asimov wrote a short story that was included
Speaker 2: in a collection of short stories I think entitled and
Speaker 2: Hold by Centennial Man in about seventy five. Asimov wrote
Speaker 2: this very short short story about scientists that were approached
Speaker 2: about altering the lip bolb protein of grain, so that
Speaker 2: some people who ate it would be killed, some would
Speaker 2: be sickened and rebound, some would be Okay. Now think
Speaker 2: about COVID. All right, Now you've got COVID, which none
Speaker 2: of us know how lethal REALI he is, because the
Speaker 2: numbers have been for the most part rigged. But the
Speaker 2: point is that you've got something that kills people, mostly
Speaker 2: the elderly and the weak. Some people get sickened, then
Speaker 2: they bounce back, and the younger don't have anything really
Speaker 2: happen to them. When I read the winn Wing, I
Speaker 2: said to myself, that's a very clever way to depopulate.
Speaker 2: So when COVID came around, I thought to myself, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that it's a nasty virus, it's man made,
Speaker 2: and it's doing what Asimov said the libroprotein alteration was
Speaker 2: doing in his book. Do I think asimwov was for this? No?
Speaker 2: Do I think that he may have gotten inside information? Yes,
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is is that COVID nineteen is
Speaker 2: a depopulator. It is an absolute culture changer across the
Speaker 2: globe and is worse than it is. It really is,
Speaker 2: And if anybody remembers that try to pull this off
Speaker 2: with SARS back in around two thousand and I don't know,
Speaker 2: four or six, I can't remember, but I did a
Speaker 2: show on it then, and I did it off of
Speaker 2: Newsweek magazine. I mean it was so funny that it
Speaker 2: looked like it was a band magazine. They had this
Speaker 2: nurse or this female on the front cover, full face shot, eyeballs,
Speaker 2: absolutely agape mask on, and across the top of what
Speaker 2: would be her headdress, it said SARS.
Speaker 1: Right, So they tried to all the fear they laid on,
Speaker 1: the fear of death. They tried to change stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't remember it having that kind of effect as this.
Speaker 2: No, it fell on its face. But it was a
Speaker 2: dry run and I shouldn't have known it, and I
Speaker 2: did right.
Speaker 1: Fauci's been around for thirty years, so these guys have
Speaker 1: perfected it. And a lot of these guys are part
Speaker 1: of the cartel. They come out of Advisor and then
Speaker 1: go get on TV and sell vaccines. It's credible, like
Speaker 1: some of these people have to be tried. If there's
Speaker 1: justice in the world, there has to be kind of
Speaker 1: an independent court case. A bunch of a bunch of
Speaker 1: these people just shoving vaccines down the throat that don't
Speaker 1: really work and aren't that effective.
Speaker 2: There is enough justice in the world, so forget, they'll
Speaker 2: not be tried. Fauci also was a big scare manger
Speaker 2: in the whole HIV age thing where they are at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, act was super toxic too, They're giving it to babies,
Speaker 1: and that was a whole nother fear element too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think HIV was legit. Certain people died, but there
Speaker 1: it was within a certain groups that really got affected
Speaker 1: by HIV, which is you know, intravenous drug users, homosexuals
Speaker 1: and such a Sorry.
Speaker 2: No, but they never made the connection that agent was
Speaker 2: caused by HIV, and the whole storm pulled away without
Speaker 2: making that conclusion of fact. But he was. But the
Speaker 2: point is he was there at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he has yeared decades of experience and how
Speaker 1: to getting involved in social engineering in my opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the thing is, I remember for all that
Speaker 2: I did, and I got into this just to find
Speaker 2: out the way things really were. I mean, I was
Speaker 2: a baby born in fifty one, and I was around
Speaker 2: men who came back from World War two in Korea
Speaker 2: and we're talking about a war and things done that
Speaker 2: I had never read about in my history books or
Speaker 2: heard about in my school, and that always bothered me.
Speaker 2: So it took too about what another fifty years to
Speaker 2: me to say, you know what, before I go, I'd
Speaker 2: like to find out what the real deal is. And
Speaker 2: I did, and it was more horrible than I thought
Speaker 2: it would be because things did not make sense to
Speaker 2: me then. But Americans are good people. They don't know
Speaker 2: what it is to be lost, you know, and they
Speaker 2: believe in their government because oh gee, our government doesn't
Speaker 2: propagandize us, and it does and understand you know when
Speaker 2: you work to me in an email, oh you mean
Speaker 2: foxes until the news to tell the truth, then move
Speaker 2: and tell the truth. They all just get it from
Speaker 2: the left and right and keep everybody at their throats. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: we get cut down time at the time, if the time.
Speaker 2: You can't rely on presidents, you can't rely on anybody
Speaker 2: in federal government, and you can't rely on the media.
Speaker 2: The only time the media gives you the strange stories
Speaker 2: is before they catch it. Just like what happened at
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. You know, the truth was sold in
Speaker 2: the next forty eight hours, and then they got old
Speaker 2: doctored up right what it is today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, people said, hey, it looks like an explosion. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is it. There's explosions. People are making statements and
Speaker 1: then all got covered up within Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, all those stories that came out, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gone.
Speaker 2: Well. What I thought was interesting also was when it
Speaker 2: came to alternative media, Alex Jones and his ILK just
Speaker 2: focused on New York because that was the big and
Speaker 2: bad thing. They didn't talk about DC, did not talk
Speaker 2: about Shanksville. And those two are the biggest stinkers that
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. I don't know if you've ever had
Speaker 2: Craig Ranking on your show from C I T.
Speaker 1: Sure I should.
Speaker 2: Should You should because I'll tell you what. That child
Speaker 2: put his foot on the ground and talk to people,
Speaker 2: and you can see it on his website and you
Speaker 2: can find I mean, the bottom line with that is
Speaker 2: no plane hit that building whatsoever, not even that supposed
Speaker 2: whatever that was, you know, a rocket or a small
Speaker 2: plane that was cg without a doubt. The Pentagon is
Speaker 2: ringed with video right as part of its protection system,
Speaker 2: and none of it was used, and they copped the
Speaker 2: video from outlining the stores so that nobody could touch that.
Speaker 2: That was a colossal, colossal farce, and so was Shanksville,
Speaker 2: absolutely unbelievable. Do you want me to I'll share a
Speaker 2: story with you, please do all right. I was riding
Speaker 2: my bike down here in Florida and Vince Victor Thorn
Speaker 2: called me up. They'll leave Victor Thorn and he said, listen,
Speaker 2: there was a woman who read our book. And when
Speaker 2: he meant by that was he made a book that
Speaker 2: was three quarters based on our shows that we did
Speaker 2: on nine to eleven because nobody was doing anything on
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. On the flight ninety three, and I'm like, okay, look,
Speaker 2: I'll get right home and we'll do a three away
Speaker 2: because he didn't have the ability to do a three interview.
Speaker 2: And he told me, he goes, look, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Because as the woman was talking
Speaker 2: to me, they were an elderly couple. He said, I
Speaker 2: could hear the husband in the background going you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be doing this, you shouldn't be doing this. So he
Speaker 2: didn't know there'd be a second tape. Well, I'm stall
Speaker 2: on my way back home. I getting set up. She
Speaker 2: didn't answer the phone. They were. Their names were Bob
Speaker 2: and Shirley. I forget their last names. I had written
Speaker 2: it down. It's a piece of paper long got into
Speaker 2: the landfill. But what she had said was, and if
Speaker 2: you take a look at the map of southwestern Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: there is Ingrund Mountain Road I M G R U
Speaker 2: N D and you can see that there are several switchbacks,
Speaker 2: which means it is a steep hill. Okay, on what
Speaker 2: you would call the southeast side, there's a ball spot
Speaker 2: that's been there since that day. I don't know there's
Speaker 2: a ball spot there. But what I am saying is
Speaker 2: that she said that most people know that a plane
Speaker 2: went down on Ingram Mountain. The two of them drove
Speaker 2: up to see if they could reach it, and then
Speaker 2: the road was so rocky that they thought they may
Speaker 2: not be able to get out of there, so they
Speaker 2: only went a certain distance and then back down. But
Speaker 2: she said you could smell the fuel, smelt the fuel
Speaker 2: all night. She said there were trucks going in and
Speaker 2: out of that area. She assumed they were taking pieces
Speaker 2: of the plane away. Do I believe that there were
Speaker 2: people in there? No, I believe it was a remote
Speaker 2: like everything else was yeah. So she said that there
Speaker 2: was no doubt about the fact that the plane went
Speaker 2: down there. She also said that the city of New Baltimore,
Speaker 2: which is on the southeast side of Ingram Mountain near
Speaker 2: the turnpike, was yellow taped off and men in black
Speaker 2: suits were telling people to ship the hell up. Okay,
Speaker 2: And that also casts light on the fact that, you know,
Speaker 2: we heard all this stuff about Indian Lake Marina. How
Speaker 2: these people heard an explosion and they went outside their
Speaker 2: houses and they saw this stuff floating down. But just
Speaker 2: think of this. Nobody saw the plane go down except
Speaker 2: Lee per Ball, who said he saw it go down
Speaker 2: in that junkyard where he worked and that was his
Speaker 2: first day. Okay, if you take a look at that site,
Speaker 2: I always wondered, where did the ten ton engines go?
Speaker 1: Right? You know, there are almost things that always remained
Speaker 1: in those crashes, is an intact engine they usually don't
Speaker 1: fall apart, or animals, right, And.
Speaker 2: The same thing with the Pentagon. Craig said, Look, it
Speaker 2: was Craig tooked the two cops that were at the
Speaker 2: Pentagon at the same as SIKO station and they asked them,
Speaker 2: did you see a plane? They said yeah, and they said,
Speaker 2: we saw it on this side, being the left side
Speaker 2: of where they were, but that path of knockdown lampposts
Speaker 2: and stuff was on the opposite side of that. So
Speaker 2: what they saw was something big and made to look
Speaker 2: commercially like a plane, but it never impacted the Pentagon,
Speaker 2: and nothing impacted the Pentagon. I mean, when you take
Speaker 2: a look at the first photos, you've got what a
Speaker 2: two car garage size door opening?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Nothing? Yeah? I can you look at your monitor?
Speaker 1: Is that Craig Ranky right there? Do you know what
Speaker 1: he looks like?
Speaker 2: No? I don't.
Speaker 1: I okay, well it's on YouTube, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is.
Speaker 2: Craig is a straight shooter. I mean once I just
Speaker 2: took liberty with a fact and he called me on
Speaker 2: it and I said, yeah, you're right, you're right. I mean,
Speaker 2: Craig is fastidious. But the thing you have to remember
Speaker 2: about the Pentagon too, is that you supposedly have one
Speaker 2: of those planes going through three rings the Pentagon, and
Speaker 2: then after the third ring is penetrated, there's no sign
Speaker 2: of a plane. So how does that happen? I mean,
Speaker 2: you get the softest part of the plane going in first,
Speaker 2: we have no size of the engines, and after three
Speaker 2: rings are and I might add very perfectly blown, which
Speaker 2: would make you think that they're shaped arges. You got
Speaker 2: no remains of the plane after the third ring. So
Speaker 2: what did his plane do go through three rings and disappear?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just crazy. So the Pentagon and the
Speaker 2: Shanksville story. And the thing about the Shanksville story is this,
Speaker 2: if you used only the daily the New York Times
Speaker 2: on nine to twelve and nine thirteen, you'd find out
Speaker 2: how the stories can flict and how something has got
Speaker 2: to be wrong. Eleven people saw whatever that was Flight
Speaker 2: ninety three descend slowly, and then one party said, I
Speaker 2: saw a goose up over a mountain ridge, like it
Speaker 2: had to be pulled up because otherwise it would have
Speaker 2: hit the ridge. All right. None of them saw anything
Speaker 2: unusual about the cabin or cockpit. Edward felt who was
Speaker 2: the guy that was in the bathroom saying there was
Speaker 2: a bomb exploded. Well, guess why there was a bomb explode,
Speaker 2: That there'd be something streaming from the planet. The people
Speaker 2: on the ground saw nothing streaming. Okay. And by the way,
Speaker 2: if you're in a bathroom in a plane, you're like
Speaker 2: in a Faraday cage. Inside of Faraday cage, the chances
Speaker 2: of him having any connection is false. So, in other words,
Speaker 2: eleven people watch the plane descend, two of them saw
Speaker 2: it go over the mountain, but none of them saw
Speaker 2: it crash. It did crash, but they didn't see it,
Speaker 2: and they saw nothing streaming from it. And you can
Speaker 2: read that yourself in the New York Times. So felt
Speaker 2: story was bogus. Also, Elizabeth Hirsch, Elizabeth what was the
Speaker 2: last name of her?
Speaker 1: I can't I don't recollect, I don't know, all right.
Speaker 2: But the thing is she was talking to her husband,
Speaker 2: supposedly as he was telling her what was going on.
Speaker 2: But that's not possible either because and then, well, here's
Speaker 2: what happens. You said it was on a cell phone.
Speaker 2: If you read the nine to twelve New York Times,
Speaker 2: it was a cell phone. Jeremy Glick, I'm sorry, Jeremy,
Speaker 2: Jimmy click.
Speaker 1: That's right. And those cell phones didn't work from planes
Speaker 1: at that time too.
Speaker 2: That's right, because the technology was pointed downwards, not upwards.
Speaker 2: And the second thing is they're going through his own
Speaker 2: so fast he can't hold on to a to a
Speaker 2: connection at all. I was ever able to keep a
Speaker 2: connection going with a cell phone was when we were
Speaker 2: landing and we were below the towers. So anyway, she's
Speaker 2: talking about how this is going on and how she
Speaker 2: gets the police in on it, like what are they
Speaker 2: going to do in West Milford, New Jersey. However, in
Speaker 2: two thousand and four and Rita's Digests with Oprah on
Speaker 2: the cover, Elizabeth is revisited to talk about that day
Speaker 2: and parenthetically, and I'm saying this deliberately because it didn't
Speaker 2: sound like it was her vocabulary. It seemed like it
Speaker 2: was implanted in and she was, Oh, and no, it
Speaker 2: wasn't a cell phone. It was his seatback phone, right,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 1: Wasn't all of those so called calls fake or had
Speaker 1: that element of staging to them? For even what was
Speaker 1: the other one that I think it was? What was
Speaker 1: the one? I think it was ninety three, and I
Speaker 1: think it was just ninety three, right, those are the
Speaker 1: ones that all had kind of fake things. If I remember,
Speaker 1: it's been a while.
Speaker 2: No, it has been a while. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: we supposedly had a phone call from oh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: a woman that was a personality on CNN or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: She was in the back of it, right, I remember her.
Speaker 1: She's the one who hit the Pentagon, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the thing is is like that phone, that
Speaker 2: phone doesn't stretch that far. I mean, of course did
Speaker 2: not go that far. So I mean as much as
Speaker 2: I don't wait, she was like ted somebody's wife who.
Speaker 1: Right, she was that lawyer's wife, if I remember.
Speaker 2: So, the thing is is that it is full of holes.
Speaker 2: And when I'm contesting without going on anymore than I could,
Speaker 2: even with Jamie McIntyre and his his first first two
Speaker 2: I guess reportages of what he saw. I mean, they
Speaker 2: stay away from them because it's got the biggest amount
Speaker 2: of holes that you could find. That's why everybody stays
Speaker 2: on the towers.
Speaker 1: Right. No, it's a good point. Yeah, very good point.
Speaker 2: Now do you want to if you want to do
Speaker 2: the towers, I'll tell you what I yes, okay, Yes.
Speaker 2: There is a guy by the name of James Kosher
Speaker 2: k Oi s O R. He was living in an
Speaker 2: apartment building in Jersey City, directly across from the towers.
Speaker 2: He was really rehabilitating from an operation, so it was
Speaker 2: a beautiful day. He goes downstairs to his friends and
Speaker 2: they're all yuck ended up and stuff. And one of
Speaker 2: them leaves to go to work and calls back to
Speaker 2: the house and says, do you see what's going on
Speaker 2: across the street? And they weren't. They weren't looking, I
Speaker 2: mean think, I mean, think what you may. Here's the
Speaker 2: towers on fire, and they're not. They're not watching, I
Speaker 2: mean because it's there all the time, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, don't even watch. And they take a look
Speaker 2: across and they see one of the towers in flames. Well,
Speaker 2: Kosher goes ballistic because his wife is working at the
Speaker 2: Empire State Building. They turn the radio on. Nobody knows
Speaker 2: what's going on, and he's begging his wife to get
Speaker 2: across the huts and as fast as she can because
Speaker 2: he expected that the Empire Tower the State Building to
Speaker 2: be hit and he had reason to believe that. So
Speaker 2: here's where I'm going. He sent me the raw video
Speaker 2: on a VHS of what happened that day. He later
Speaker 2: on produced a DVD that was distill down. So I
Speaker 2: saw the first and I saw the second, but he
Speaker 2: catches on the video before you can see it. You
Speaker 2: can hear something coming up from the south of the
Speaker 2: Hudson and that would be the last plane that impacted
Speaker 2: I guess that would be why.
Speaker 1: The South one seventive at the south Tarrea.
Speaker 2: All right, so you can hear it before you see it.
Speaker 2: Now you can say it. You can say there were holograms.
Speaker 2: I don't care. All I know is at sound, it
Speaker 2: had mass and it put a hole in that building.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, during that whole video you can see people
Speaker 2: jumping out. There were other explosions that took place throughout
Speaker 2: the building all while this was going on. He came
Speaker 2: to me, it was ten years after that he had
Speaker 2: shot the video, and he said, listen, can you help
Speaker 2: me get this thing marketed? Now. I didn't make any
Speaker 2: money on I didn't care. I had him on, that's
Speaker 2: all I did. And I just saw what he had.
Speaker 2: I had no problem with it. When I saw people
Speaker 2: take pieces of it from the Facebook, they ridiculed it.
Speaker 2: But it was absolutely bullshit that they were talking about.
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was obviously they were killing it.
Speaker 2: I don't care. Again, it was holograms and n but
Speaker 2: it was a plane. And what he said was what
Speaker 2: was interesting. And I think you might remember comments made
Speaker 2: in all the videos that are on YouTube that the
Speaker 2: plane didn't look like a commercial.
Speaker 1: Plane, right, Yes, I heard that, all right.
Speaker 2: And he said this, and he said he was was
Speaker 2: exaggerating because he just couldn't come up with something better.
Speaker 2: He said, that looks like assessma, that's what he says
Speaker 2: on the tape, but it can't be assessed. And we
Speaker 2: realize it. But it wasn't the size of a commercial airplane.
Speaker 2: And you've heard probably that declaration from a worker of
Speaker 2: I don't know, from one of the airlines who was
Speaker 2: in the street in New York that day saying it,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't look like a you know, a seven
Speaker 2: fifty seven, right.
Speaker 1: It didn't have the markings too, if I remember, it
Speaker 1: was mostly silver, so it didn't have the look of
Speaker 1: a commercial plane with the you know, all of the
Speaker 1: painting and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Well that's what always struck me too, because I mean,
Speaker 2: the second plane impacting it was just like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: would you call it like some kind of marine grain
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, like an off silver m.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't look like it. But the thing wasn't
Speaker 2: the size either. So there again you have something going
Speaker 2: on there. And and here's where I'm going with all
Speaker 2: of this. Here's what happened. Groups formed groups, and they
Speaker 2: got into well, was there a plane? Wasn't there a plane?
Speaker 2: I loved Dave from Blint nine to eleven, but I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what, he's killed more interviews than a lone ranger,
Speaker 2: honest to God.
Speaker 1: And it went on for years too, like and that
Speaker 1: was the core. If you didn't believe this, then it
Speaker 1: was actually very illogical. But if you didn't believe this,
Speaker 1: everything else you said was nullified or right gone, right
Speaker 1: now structure, which is nonsense.
Speaker 2: And I asked people, and I did this with the
Speaker 2: Utikins nine eleven truth, and they they didn't. They just
Speaker 2: laid it out for people as to what happened. They
Speaker 2: didn't get into whether they were planes and no planes.
Speaker 2: If you want to lose an audience fast who might
Speaker 2: be wanting to listen it to you because they think
Speaker 2: maybe you're telling the truth, you tell them that there's
Speaker 2: no planes there, they're gone.
Speaker 1: Well, I can just to interrupt Keith, there was a
Speaker 1: woman on the ground at the second plane who was
Speaker 1: literally walking down the street minding her own business. And
Speaker 1: a piece this is a factual story. You can go
Speaker 1: find it. A piece of the landing gear flew out
Speaker 1: of the building of one seventy five and hit her
Speaker 1: and she became paralyzed. She had to go to the
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the final outcome was, but she
Speaker 1: got hit really hard with a piece of the wreckage
Speaker 1: and you can go look that up. So if that
Speaker 1: actually happened, that means that either something real hit the
Speaker 1: tower or those floors had been set up with a
Speaker 1: fake thing that nobody saw and shot out through an explosion,
Speaker 1: A piece of a landing here from some type of plane, right,
Speaker 1: which is exact part is not believable.
Speaker 2: And what happened was it was like Uncle Remus and
Speaker 2: the tar patch. You know, people come buy and they
Speaker 2: get caught in this discussion and they never emerge from it,
Speaker 2: and the results of it most likely is, oh, it's
Speaker 2: all bullshit, and it's not because the United States has
Speaker 2: a history of allowing this to happen, and they did
Speaker 2: allow it to happen on that day. Now, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you another story. A guy from Tom Scott Walker who
Speaker 2: was on twice. He's out there somewhere. I caught him
Speaker 2: just before he was moving out of Louisiana. But Tom
Speaker 2: Scott Walker was an architectural photographer who was living up
Speaker 2: in Woodstock, New York, a place I know very well
Speaker 2: to work in the city, and he thinks he got
Speaker 2: invited to a seminar, if you will, by the Rockefellers.
Speaker 2: And the gist of this whole thing was the Rockefellers
Speaker 2: were pissed off because they were being told by the
Speaker 2: EPA that after years of the towers being up and
Speaker 2: buffeted twenty four to seven seriously by trade winds that
Speaker 2: come up from the coast, that the building was being
Speaker 2: corrupted so that the fulkrim or the friction point would
Speaker 2: be around the tenth or twelve four. But the point
Speaker 2: was is that they were going to go down sooner
Speaker 2: or later, and rocket.
Speaker 1: They were full, they had to be refitted because they
Speaker 1: were full of asbestos too, is my understanding, all right,
Speaker 1: which would have been a massive cost. Right.
Speaker 2: So so Rockefeller was like, no, we're not doing this.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not paying for it to be deconstructed.
Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind. The other thing I
Speaker 2: would say to you was this delay in explosives or
Speaker 2: to do any kind of work on the towers was
Speaker 2: no worse than it was than nineteen sixty two when
Speaker 2: I think it was the threat of Hurricane Camille. I
Speaker 2: think it was Camille in sixty two. The thing was,
Speaker 2: they knew that a lot of the tall buildings there
Speaker 2: would be at risk. So what they did was they
Speaker 2: sent workmen into the core. Now, once you're in the
Speaker 2: court you're not seeing you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 2: like a sleeve inside the building. And they they went
Speaker 2: into that building whatever was there at the time, I
Speaker 2: don't know, the Empire, State Building, the City Courts building perhaps,
Speaker 2: but they went in and shored up the internals of
Speaker 2: these buildings in anticipation of Camille, you know, kick an
Speaker 2: ass up there. Nobody knew they were there. My point is,
Speaker 2: and by the way, Camille did not pose the threat
Speaker 2: they thought it would, but the buildings was still short
Speaker 2: up and nobody knew about it. My point is, with
Speaker 2: the towers, you could have people. All you got to
Speaker 2: have is just the uniform and the tag and you
Speaker 2: get in and you're inside there. You can do whatever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't they say that there were people reported there
Speaker 1: were people around the towers before nine to eleven, that
Speaker 1: there were weird things retrofitting or people back and so
Speaker 1: some people had stated that if I remember correctly, and
Speaker 1: I think there were pictures from before nine to eleven
Speaker 1: sometime in that two thousand and one area of workmen
Speaker 1: taking pictures through there, so some of that became public.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's a huge it's a huge, massive,
Speaker 1: you know, set of buildings. So it's not like a
Speaker 1: small seven foot story building seven foot tall, you know,
Speaker 1: seven story building. There's just tons of people there there,
Speaker 1: and then we can get the building seven, which doesn't
Speaker 1: fit into the narrative too.
Speaker 2: But once you get inside the core, you're not seen. Right,
Speaker 2: that's workman area only, So it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: And we're not talking about laying in bombs. We were
Speaker 2: talking about whatever they're using at the time, Plasco whatever.
Speaker 2: So it isn't like it's a you know, there's any
Speaker 2: kind of logistical problem whatsoever. That could have been in
Speaker 2: there for a month or two more wouldn't met anything.
Speaker 2: They just they just disappear. And I mean we're talking
Speaker 2: about two towers when about what five went down? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's more than those two. They always just say the
Speaker 2: twin towers, but there's a lot more going on. That
Speaker 2: whole complex was blown up. I think six had a
Speaker 2: huge hole in it. There's all kinds of things going
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 1: People. There's I think one of those early the Nowday
Speaker 1: Brothers videos. After they filmed eleven plane eleven hitting the buildings,
Speaker 1: they did some other filming underneath the towers, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that there were multiple explosions heard if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, I have to go back and listen to that.
Speaker 2: Well they were, I mean you can even see them
Speaker 2: to this day. I mean I saved a lot in
Speaker 2: his video, which now is on a computer that it'll
Speaker 2: longer exists, so they're gone. But I mean you had
Speaker 2: Woollie Morelli, I believe, who was a workman. There was
Speaker 2: a real New York guy, and he was talking about
Speaker 2: being seven floors down in the shanty where they would
Speaker 2: dress for the work that day, and he says he
Speaker 2: was blown from one side of the building to the other,
Speaker 2: and they thought that something had fallen off some kind
Speaker 2: of dock down there. I mean, we would be absolutely
Speaker 2: amazed by what kind of activity goes on below ground
Speaker 2: in these towers. I mean, it's like a city unto itself.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been in some of them and it's uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: but it's it's amazing. But the thing is Morelli said, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he got blown from one side of the
Speaker 2: shanty to the other, and they heard that a plane
Speaker 2: hit up top. Well I can understand him saying, okay,
Speaker 2: let me put two and two together. But the point
Speaker 2: is that whatever happened on the you know, one hundred
Speaker 2: and fortieth floor or sodianth floor would not knock him
Speaker 2: loopy seventh floors down. What that was about was blowing
Speaker 2: the towers off their moorings so they would not be
Speaker 2: connected to the ground any longer. But he didn't know.
Speaker 2: But you can still listen to him and what he
Speaker 2: had to say. So I mean again, story about planes
Speaker 2: knocking down to towers is.
Speaker 1: Bogus, totally bogus, absolutely bogus. And they think there were
Speaker 1: firemen who like the towers were going down, and they
Speaker 1: were running down the stairs and they got to like
Speaker 1: the fourth or second floor, and the towers literally they
Speaker 1: looked up and they weren't there, so they didn't collapse
Speaker 1: upon them, but like they should have with this force
Speaker 1: of like pancaking. But they literally got to like the
Speaker 1: second or third floor and looked up through the stairwell
Speaker 1: and there was no building like so something very strange happened.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that was a latter company seven. If
Speaker 2: I remember when the guy goes and all this bullshit
Speaker 2: was boom boom, boom, you know that stuff. Yeah, something
Speaker 2: was going on. And when they showed some of the
Speaker 2: street scenes from the tower, you know, flat on the
Speaker 2: on the on the avenue, they did include the sound
Speaker 2: because because the sound gave away that it was a
Speaker 2: precursor to the collapse. In other words, all you see
Speaker 2: is the collapse. You don't hear the booms. And that's
Speaker 2: what that's what the fireman was talking about.
Speaker 1: And I mean I had on what was his name, William?
Speaker 1: Oh you remember that one, William? I don't know which one.
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of your a lot of
Speaker 1: your shows, but I can't remember the individual ones. But
Speaker 1: I remember listening to a lot of nine to eleven stuff.
Speaker 1: The icons for nine to eleven truth, I remember very
Speaker 1: well listening to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy came on, who Here's what happened. This
Speaker 2: guy comes on Alex Jones, but Alex steps on him
Speaker 2: so much. I can't hear this guy answer questions in
Speaker 2: the full and as I'm sitting there and I don't
Speaker 2: mean to bang on Alex. I mean I think he
Speaker 2: sucks and I think he's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I agree with that. I mean, also, his
Speaker 1: interview style is terrible. He talks over his guests constantly
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the name hunt William William? Okay, well,
Speaker 2: the mine's a terrible thing to lose.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so there's a William on your formerly on
Speaker 1: your show. He was on. I'm like, I got to
Speaker 1: talk to this guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't listen to this. This is, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just a bad interview. And I called him
Speaker 2: up and I had him on and he was on
Speaker 2: like two three times, and he was talking about what
Speaker 2: was going on there. He's out of he was out
Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania. He was called out the second day and
Speaker 2: they amassed at Caden Point or somewhere near Staten Island
Speaker 2: Liberty Island to be brought in when they finally a
Speaker 2: clear way enough crap to let other E m T
Speaker 2: units come in. And it was he that said, you know,
Speaker 2: I looked at I looked at firemen they were talking
Speaker 2: to men in suits, and turned absolutely white. He said,
Speaker 2: So they were and here's where I want to go
Speaker 2: with this. Also with that story about Bob and Shirley
Speaker 2: and New Baltimore be in the city southeast of of
Speaker 2: the cress site and right near the Pennsylvania Turnpike. They
Speaker 2: said that that people were being talked to and just
Speaker 2: told basically shut up. So I mean, don't don't think
Speaker 2: that the suits weren't there and enforcing, you know, to
Speaker 2: ed it. And that's why, you know, poor old Bob
Speaker 2: probably didn't last Shirly to come on the second time.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry because I never got a chance to talk
Speaker 2: to her or record that. And I mean that, you
Speaker 2: know again that sounds like bullshit, like you know, it
Speaker 2: never happened, but it did. I mean for Victor to
Speaker 2: call me up and say, listen, where are you? Can
Speaker 2: you help me out? And I'm like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: I can just stopped my bike and rode back home
Speaker 2: and we couldn't get it done and she wouldn't talk again.
Speaker 2: He did definitely write a story on it with pseudonyms.
Speaker 2: But the point of the matter is is that people
Speaker 2: know that nothing dumped, nothing dumped at the nine to
Speaker 2: eleven Shanksville site. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. It wasn't Victor Thorne up There? Wasn't
Speaker 1: he in Pennsylvania in that area?
Speaker 2: Well, he, Victor and Lisa lived in a near state
Speaker 2: college was pretty much dead center of Pennsylvania. But they
Speaker 2: were able to, you know, pretty much take off in
Speaker 2: you know, in a minute, and they went down there.
Speaker 2: I looked on Google and and I looked at it.
Speaker 2: If you look at inground Mountain Road and you do
Speaker 2: follow it to its apex, and of course you look
Speaker 2: at two D. So it's it's you got to not
Speaker 2: use your imagination, but you got to make some exceptions.
Speaker 2: And you can see that there is a scar on
Speaker 2: the southeast side of what would be the peak. It's
Speaker 2: still there. It was there in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: It's still there to this day. Whether it was a burn,
Speaker 2: which I would assume it was, or whatever, it still exists.
Speaker 2: Nothing else does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's crazy. Victor Thorne died, decided to kill
Speaker 1: himself right during Hillary Clinton's campaign for the presidency.
Speaker 2: Right. I don't know when he did it. I only
Speaker 2: know that he did do it. And I'll only say this.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed working with Vic there.
Speaker 1: He was thorough.
Speaker 2: I did not know him to be.
Speaker 1: At all.
Speaker 2: Playing fast and loose with the truth. But I also
Speaker 2: know he had some monsters.
Speaker 1: He did it not his real name either, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a loss. He wrote a ton of books.
Speaker 1: I know that he was doing a lot of trying
Speaker 1: to do, you know, honest research.
Speaker 2: So yes he did. In fact, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 2: when you talk about the old days of this whole
Speaker 2: nine to eleven stuff, I only came into it in
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Harry and I started our show
Speaker 2: in March of two thousand and two. I started to
Speaker 2: get interested in the fall of two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: even before nine to eleven, but not really to a
Speaker 2: point where I wanted to do anything about it. As
Speaker 2: I said, I was visiting friends on September eleventh in
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, and I just I just looked
Speaker 2: at the collapse, you know, at my mother's friend's house,
Speaker 2: and I said, it looks like in controlled demo.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it, you know.
Speaker 2: And I went home and the next day, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was the next day. It was a Sunday. The New
Speaker 2: York Times comes out with all these schematics and these
Speaker 2: great stories, and I'm like, how in the world can
Speaker 2: you know what the hell happened? When the National Transportation
Speaker 2: Safety Board takes about three weeks to see boom, you
Speaker 2: know what, I mean, they had an all set up,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's not right. And I got a
Speaker 2: friend that was flying for Continental, you know, and I mean,
Speaker 2: he's my best friend. If I did not know him
Speaker 2: all my life, he might not have been tolerant of me.
Speaker 2: But he had to admit it was a little strange.
Speaker 2: But I didn't do anything with it. In fact, this
Speaker 2: I flew out out on the very first flight that
Speaker 2: was released from Tampa, from Newark to Tampa, and they
Speaker 2: were like, I'll tell you what. There were cops all
Speaker 2: over the place with German shepherds and everything. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was like being in like East Germany nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I look at a friend of mine,
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going to suppose it's probably the safest
Speaker 2: day to fly the whole year.
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, probably after that. I remember flying in October
Speaker 1: of two thousand and one. It was very safe. Well
Speaker 1: we landed. Everybody clap so that was you know something else.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just incredible. You did so much work working.
Speaker 1: Do you know where people can find your old nine
Speaker 1: to eleven shows, because I think the Olympic files or
Speaker 1: something that is still collected online.
Speaker 2: Right. I never put up one of them. Other people did.
Speaker 2: I didn't stop them. They didn't answer for permission. They
Speaker 2: don't have to because I was out in public domain.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't going to get like that. Whatever's out
Speaker 2: there is out there. That's all I know. I mean,
Speaker 2: even to this day. And I will tell you, like yesterday,
Speaker 2: I got a file sent to me that I did
Speaker 2: with Dave McGowan in backup Programmed to Kill, and I
Speaker 2: had I had no idea. I I gave my archives
Speaker 2: to my former webmaster who succeeded Angie, who was absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 2: So and I've lost contact, so I don't. I never
Speaker 2: know what's out there.
Speaker 1: You had, Thinker b Eaton, you had a lot. Your
Speaker 1: domain is still available right now. But I remember all
Speaker 1: that stuff, you know, because I was I was definitely
Speaker 1: a listener.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently hit one of these. Apparently I got like
Speaker 2: four hundred and seventy some up on radio for all
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: I think it's there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that they're active though, No, I
Speaker 2: mean I was fortunate, you know, I got lost for
Speaker 2: a point there where I did some of cult shows
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, which I just felt I had
Speaker 2: to do just because you know, it was it was
Speaker 2: a buffet, and I realized my heart wasn't it and
Speaker 2: I really didn't like these people. And what it came
Speaker 2: down to was when I went back to the podcast,
Speaker 2: I got serious about this, and I mean, I know
Speaker 2: we're running out of time, but I mean, why do
Speaker 2: you like to hear this or not? William? I mean
Speaker 2: not you, but you know your listeners. It made me
Speaker 2: understand the Bible was true and that we are headed
Speaker 2: for a very rocky time. We are now into it.
Speaker 2: I thought it would have been militarily instigated, but they
Speaker 2: used COVID to do it. They've got people scared and running.
Speaker 2: They've got them in clotches like you see in Twilight
Speaker 2: Zone where they hate the people who have the light,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I realize now that
Speaker 2: this is the time being a chicken at heart that
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have missed. But apparently I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna unless my ticker gives out sooner than I expect,
Speaker 2: which I'll be completely fine with. But I mean, they're
Speaker 2: at the door. Now we have been promised by depopulationists
Speaker 2: and Satan's minions about bringing to the people a new feudalism.
Speaker 2: You can read the Who's the play, right, oh, man,
Speaker 2: George George Bernard Shaw. Yes, if you remember that unbelievable,
Speaker 2: unbelievable quote about you will be fed and you will
Speaker 2: be clothed, and if you cannot live in that, you
Speaker 2: know you'll be killed in a kindly manner.
Speaker 1: Right. No, here's a total eugenicist. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what. If people are gonna
Speaker 2: take notes, you can go to Galton G. A. L.
Speaker 2: T O N dot Org and you can hit on
Speaker 2: a seminar. I don't have it up in front of me.
Speaker 2: You can hit on a seminar in which H. G.
Speaker 2: Wells and kind of go back and forth. And it's
Speaker 2: really chilling because for the most part H. G. Wells,
Speaker 2: who we always look as a pretty groovy SIY writer right,
Speaker 2: says listen, we'll do what the Romans do will kill
Speaker 2: the hindmost so, frankly, if you not up the snuff
Speaker 2: coming out of the uterine the canal, they'll just kill
Speaker 2: you because they just don't want to bother with you right.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you know that George Bernard Shaw was
Speaker 1: one of the persons who first talked about the use
Speaker 1: of the gas chamber?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here can I I'll read you this quote. A
Speaker 1: part of eugenic politics would finally land us an extensive
Speaker 1: use of the lethal chamber. A great many people would
Speaker 1: have to be put out of existence simply because it
Speaker 1: wastes other people's time to look after them. That's George
Speaker 1: Bernard Shaw lecture to the Eugenics Education Society, port in
Speaker 1: the Daily Express, March fourth, nineteen ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and that's why it resonates so much
Speaker 2: more with me. Now Now, I mean, you hear these
Speaker 2: personages that pop up from from Europe, like Schwab and stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's the same stuff. It's like it's never gone away.
Speaker 2: I mean, these people, even the royals of Europe who
Speaker 2: we look at as buffoonery, are not buffoonery. They think
Speaker 2: they're Myravengeans and they're in the line of Christ and
Speaker 2: right there you go, there you go. And the fact
Speaker 2: is that they know what's best. And I'll tell you what, truthfully,
Speaker 2: it's it is the old Roman Empire kept intact, and
Speaker 2: they are going to rise up again when the time
Speaker 2: is right, and that time is happening now. And I
Speaker 2: mean when I see the commercials that are out there now,
Speaker 2: I mean it's absolutely chilling what they're promoting and and
Speaker 2: we're headed for that period. So I mean in our
Speaker 2: school districts with it takes the village to raise a child,
Speaker 2: which always gave me the creeps, and rightfully so, I
Speaker 2: mean what you're looking at. You know, if people at
Speaker 2: the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, you'd find out
Speaker 2: that like nine of them have already been inculcated here.
Speaker 2: And it's for a reason. I mean, it's not anything
Speaker 2: about you know, Russians or anything like that. It's got
Speaker 2: to do with control. And these people for centuries have
Speaker 2: promised us a new feudalism and that's where we're hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it goes back to Curley talking about
Speaker 1: people with the quiet wisdom of the cattle, talking about
Speaker 1: neo feudalist aristok roccy whatever word. He is not an
Speaker 1: aristocracy but an aristo something. But yeah, so he's using
Speaker 1: these words like, yeah, I want an aristocratic revolution.
Speaker 2: You knows well, even if you're really play it in
Speaker 2: the Republic. I mean, what he says is that, you know,
Speaker 2: the children have to be separated from the parents and
Speaker 2: brought out into the countryside and taught by the philosopher kings.
Speaker 2: So there's always that element out there, and it's here again,
Speaker 2: and it's because as it comes from the dark side,
Speaker 2: and it will stay until the time comes when Christ
Speaker 2: will return. And one of the reasons why I'm so
Speaker 2: out of the loop these days is because I spend
Speaker 2: whatever time I do pretty much in the Bible, because
Speaker 2: it because I see it completely as the truth, and
Speaker 2: I see it so much so as a sad to
Speaker 2: the wounds that we collect living in today's society, because
Speaker 2: I mean I wake up some mornings and I had
Speaker 2: look outside and go like, who are these people? Right?
Speaker 1: I'm getting nasty or nastier. I mean, it's pretty nasty
Speaker 1: when I was younger. Now it's super nasty. If you
Speaker 1: say the wrong thing, they'll come after your job, your livelihood.
Speaker 1: It's bad. It's like, well, body snatchers and vision of
Speaker 1: the body snatchers.
Speaker 2: Now, well, well, the problem is and there's another thing.
Speaker 2: Orwell told us this was coming when Orwell wrote nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four, he knew exactly what was happening. Orwell was
Speaker 2: sitting at the same table as the Fabians and others
Speaker 2: in what would be social engineering. And if you read
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four we should be taught in Tolly sci
Speaker 2: and not in English, you'd realize that what he was
Speaker 2: telling us was true. I mean, changing the.
Speaker 1: Past, destroying it, yeah, destroying language, everything, It's all there,
Speaker 1: so you know it has happened.
Speaker 2: I consider Orwell or Eric Blair a good guy. Huxley somewhat,
Speaker 2: but the two of them together kind of filling a
Speaker 2: lot of gaps as to what's happening now. And then
Speaker 2: when you look at other books. And I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you that Mike getting started on this had a
Speaker 2: lot to do with going to a graduate program up
Speaker 2: in Godard College and my thesis was science fiction writers
Speaker 2: of the mid fifties and why they predicted as much
Speaker 2: gloom for the coming century as they did.
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, I think. It didn't make
Speaker 1: for great reading, but it was certainly right on the
Speaker 1: head right pression. Yeah, absolutely, it's grim. Look at the
Speaker 1: Look at the news today, look at the corporate media.
Speaker 1: It's literally trying to kill you with misinformation. Literally trying
Speaker 1: to kill people during COVID and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just incredible. Like you would think that
Speaker 1: your tax dollars are something we go to something else,
Speaker 1: but you you don't get that. I mean, I got
Speaker 1: a couple of questions for you. One is you've had
Speaker 1: so many great guests, like Dave McGowan Alan Watt, who
Speaker 1: recently passed away, which is a lost. A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know the name of Alan Watts, Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is a loss because he was really the one of
Speaker 1: the first people who was talking about kind of the
Speaker 1: scientific dictatorship and the eugenicists and things like that. Can
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about Alan Watt?
Speaker 2: Uh? We re both. I will miss Dave McGowan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too. I wish he was here.
Speaker 2: He just he's just excellent researcher and had a What
Speaker 2: I love about people is when they had a self
Speaker 2: deprecating sense of humor. I think that's so great. You
Speaker 2: know that they don't take themselves seriously. And he was
Speaker 2: a personality. And I mean, I'm not gonna tell you this,
Speaker 2: not a day that goes by, This is probably not
Speaker 2: a week that goes by that I don't think about it.
Speaker 2: In fact, somebody sent me just two days ago a
Speaker 2: video an audio of me and and doing a program
Speaker 2: to kill Alan Watt was dismersed because he supposedly ripped
Speaker 2: off somebody else's research. I don't know that's true or not,
Speaker 2: but I'll only speak to Alan as a person that
Speaker 2: was good with his time and a straight shooter. And yes,
Speaker 2: he was very very interesting to discuss things with, and
Speaker 2: we had a pretty good thing going. I'll also tell
Speaker 2: you that real favorites of mine were.
Speaker 1: I mean, think think about it. Because Alan Watt also
Speaker 1: was one of the first pre internet guys. I think
Speaker 1: that he was writing his manuals and his scripts and
Speaker 1: printing him out through a printer, so he was very
Speaker 1: much kind of like a pre internet pamphleteer. So he
Speaker 1: was really trying to get the word out. So I
Speaker 1: think he just died this year. I don't think he was.
Speaker 1: I think he was, you know, in his in his
Speaker 1: older years. But yeah, I used to listen. I went
Speaker 1: through a phase where I listened to him all the time,
Speaker 1: like I learned from him when I needed to learn,
Speaker 1: and kind of moved on.
Speaker 2: Well, he was a very gracious guest, and of course
Speaker 2: he had, you know, the brogue, which makes him easy
Speaker 2: to listen to, and he was he was always there
Speaker 2: for me and I have no problem with him whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Andrew Colvin with another one. We did a series of
Speaker 2: one year, we did every one. This is the Month
Speaker 2: that was, which is based off any only show. This
Speaker 2: is the week that was? Uh, and that was a
Speaker 2: big deal. And also, oh my god, I feel so
Speaker 2: bad about this. Uh.
Speaker 1: Gordon Comstock. I used to listen to you in Comstock
Speaker 1: all the time. Who are ye?
Speaker 2: God? Definitely without without a problem. Yes. And Eric the Blacksmith, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you had some good ones.
Speaker 1: And I did that show with about Hollywood. We talked
Speaker 1: about Hitler too. His name was I can't remember now.
Speaker 1: See my memory is.
Speaker 2: Not that good at all.
Speaker 1: Also, Adam go rightly, Adam go rightly. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: talked to him this year. Just published a new book.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. He put out a movie. Also.
Speaker 1: He's busy, but he did.
Speaker 2: Something that was really interesting. I see what's out there?
Speaker 2: My wife showing me what's out there on YouTube. That's scary.
Speaker 2: Kind of Daniel ben name.
Speaker 1: And Kowski, Yeah, I remember ben Kowski. He was kind
Speaker 1: of he wasn't he a magic a literal like, uh,
Speaker 1: magician or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to that extent, Yeah, he he was. But but
Speaker 2: I have to tell you also, I'm just looking at
Speaker 2: this now, and Joanne showed this to me. I did,
Speaker 2: I think the only existing interview with James Montgomery.
Speaker 1: James Montgomery, you talk of reference him all the time too, right,
Speaker 1: we're far fre.
Speaker 2: I did a two hour and twenty eight minute interview
Speaker 2: with the informer who has passed away, and Montgomery. Montgomery
Speaker 2: was really audio shy, he really didn't want to do anything.
Speaker 2: Mostly we just interviewed, we just emailed, but he did
Speaker 2: come out for this interview. Montgomery was a little less
Speaker 2: emotional than the informer, and I tended to kind of
Speaker 2: lean toward Montgomery about and this has got to do
Speaker 2: with the truths of America and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Larry, Larry the Contractor, was that right, Larry
Speaker 1: the contract Larry the Contractor guy, show twelve episodes on Nazism,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: And then I, you know, I did a lot of
Speaker 2: books because I worked in a library and I saw
Speaker 2: some books that were going to get thrown out with
Speaker 2: donations and this that's the reason why the word doesn't
Speaker 2: get out. And it's because they are what they are.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're a little bit, you know, to
Speaker 2: the lift of right or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: and they don't make it into the stacks. But I
Speaker 2: took them and I did shows on him. One of
Speaker 2: them was The Ominous Parallels by Leonard Peakoff, who was
Speaker 2: a professor at Hunter College, and he called it right
Speaker 2: on the money. He wrote a book in nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: the Ominous Parallels The End of Freedom in America, and
Speaker 2: he likened our culture to the Nazi culture because you can,
Speaker 2: you can substitute the word Nazism for statism. Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to say this much. Okay, I have
Speaker 2: no problem living in the United States. I have no
Speaker 2: angst against it. I have no powerful feelings one way
Speaker 2: or the other. This is where I was born, this
Speaker 2: is where I paid taxes, this is where I lived.
Speaker 2: But this culture is turning back and they use COVID
Speaker 2: to do it. Now you can imagine what it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, in a twilight zone. If they find out
Speaker 2: one of you aren't vaccinated, you're going to get stoned,
Speaker 2: you know. On the city's cringes. That's what it's about.
Speaker 2: Patriotism is statism, and it's unthinking. It's just reacting. And
Speaker 2: that's what Peacock was trying to say. In the End
Speaker 2: of Freedom in America, theonymous carrells it doesn't take much
Speaker 2: to get people to start to turn like a bunch
Speaker 2: of star dogs. And I see that happening here. And
Speaker 2: the one thing that really upsets me is like, as
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I played ball for a lot
Speaker 2: of years. I was a coach as an umpire. I
Speaker 2: like athletics because it was released. But in today's day
Speaker 2: and age, all these shows that are out there are
Speaker 2: really rotting social change. And I don't mind that athletes
Speaker 2: have the onions, and I don't mind that talking heads
Speaker 2: have opinions socially, but you know what, when I'm watching sports,
Speaker 2: I want to watch sports. You guys have enough platforms
Speaker 2: to do your thing elsewhere. But this is a very
Speaker 2: insidious conveyor of culture. What's going on right now, and
Speaker 2: it's happening with sports and entertainment.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's all politicized. Everything's politicized, the numbers
Speaker 1: are politicized everything. It should really scare the living daylight
Speaker 1: tip of people. We're not that free. We talk about
Speaker 1: the land of the free, home of the brave, that
Speaker 1: that should just be stripped, that axiom should be stripped
Speaker 1: away from this country permanently because it does not apply.
Speaker 1: We're very little freedoms left and it's definitely not the
Speaker 1: home of brave in my opinion.
Speaker 2: And I agree with you. And the thing is they'll
Speaker 2: make the people want it, that's the whole thing, and
Speaker 2: that they're being manipulated into wanting this. You know, That's
Speaker 2: why I always said a democracy. Well you know this yourself.
Speaker 2: Democracy is a bad word. I mean, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: not positive. Yes, all you have to do is get
Speaker 2: the mob on your side, and you get him on
Speaker 2: your side, you'll have the the critical mass to get
Speaker 2: what you want done and you'll call freedom. And it's
Speaker 2: not freedom.
Speaker 1: It's not for him.
Speaker 2: If bmocracy is not for him. Yeah, Well, the more
Speaker 2: people talk about freedom, you can guess one thing, the
Speaker 2: less you get right.
Speaker 1: I totally one hundred percent agree with that. And when
Speaker 1: they talk about democracy, uh, and they do it now
Speaker 1: in this context, it really is about mobocracy. Were in
Speaker 1: the country and its founding was not democratic. It is
Speaker 1: a representative republican. So they were afraid of democracy. They
Speaker 1: wrote about it all the time, and so all the
Speaker 1: old Greek philosophers as well were afraid of the mob.
Speaker 1: So when they talk about it today, the mob is
Speaker 1: ruling a lot of stuff, a lot of these like
Speaker 1: Chauvin or whatever. What he did was bad, but he did.
Speaker 1: I don't think he intentionally murdered that guy who was
Speaker 1: on drugs. And I think the force of the mob
Speaker 1: influenced the proceedings in a negative way. And you know,
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for George Floyd. I feel sorry for
Speaker 1: Showping too well.
Speaker 2: The thing is is that they don't This is not
Speaker 2: coming by happenstance. It's being orchestrated and every opportunity that
Speaker 2: presents itself, because they always do, it's being manipulated in
Speaker 2: a certain way. I mean, you know, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You can call me racist if you want to. I'm
Speaker 2: just observing this. But I mean, I'm looking at TV
Speaker 2: now and if if you came from Mars and we're
Speaker 2: watching TV, you think that like three quarters of the
Speaker 2: country was black, Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know
Speaker 2: that rubs up your back, you know, fine, I mean
Speaker 2: all I'm saying is that I was alive for the
Speaker 2: sixties and I know how bad things were there, and
Speaker 2: they were bad, but the Jim Crow days are over,
Speaker 2: and it's after a while. It's like, if you're not
Speaker 2: going to get it done with all the bricks that
Speaker 2: they're still out there since affirmative Action, and I know this,
Speaker 2: I guess it's gonna piss people off. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you want. I mean, you can have seven
Speaker 2: thousand out of eight thousand actors on TV being black.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna help the black population, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, It's gonna help the seven thousand actors who
Speaker 2: are black. So I mean it's if it ain't fixed,
Speaker 2: they ain't gonna get fixed. And as much as we
Speaker 2: say about our country that we're together, we're not.
Speaker 1: No, we're not.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the future is going to be
Speaker 1: very room the next couple of decades. I'm about it.
Speaker 1: It's opposite of optimistic. You can imagine.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, bro, Yeah, I mean you have children.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's only I and my wife. But what I see
Speaker 2: happening now, it's not look anything that media does, and
Speaker 2: media is brought out to by the same people who
Speaker 2: run the politicians, right all they are. I mean, people
Speaker 2: get pissed off about Biden. I couldn't care less the
Speaker 2: stinks Bush stank Obamas that it doesn't matter. All we
Speaker 2: are are script readers. If this country's going to go socialism,
Speaker 2: they need a Democrat, so they're going to use somebody.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden in Pennsylvania is an absolute laughing stock. This
Speaker 2: guy's guy's hands on more girls tits than you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I'm serious, Go look on YouTube. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: a joke. Do I care about them? No, that I
Speaker 2: care about Clinton?
Speaker 1: No, not a liar.
Speaker 2: But these are the people that are put up there
Speaker 2: to sell the script. That's what they are. They're salespeople.
Speaker 2: And so the whole idea of a Democrat and Republican
Speaker 2: is strictly to keep people at each other's throats. And
Speaker 2: it's never been worse than it is now. And in
Speaker 2: the meantime we go down the tubes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's not looking good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not what I mean. Do you have a curate
Speaker 1: so much experience and wisdom with all your shows and
Speaker 1: all that writing when you're going back and looking through
Speaker 1: the Bible. Now, can you share kind of what your
Speaker 1: conclusions are. I mean, I know that you're a Christian,
Speaker 1: but like in your current times, in my life, I
Speaker 1: go back to the Bible and I go, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is true, this is true. I didn't understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have those kind of moments.
Speaker 2: How without adapt I mean when we first began the show,
Speaker 2: I really didn't want to do a lot of cult stuff.
Speaker 2: But people seem to really like it, you know, and
Speaker 2: I get it because it's like spooky and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to get away from it. And then
Speaker 2: Harry said to me, you know, we're getting to churchy
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, you know, that's the way it is.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to say that led to our splitting,
Speaker 2: but I still realized more and more that what I
Speaker 2: was seeing about the New World Order is congruent with
Speaker 2: statements takeover of a plant for whatever period of time,
Speaker 2: and so I, you know, I have no problem whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I mean, people aren't deep into the Bible. I mean,
Speaker 2: you read the New Testament. I think you don't understand
Speaker 2: exactly what's going on. And I you know, in a
Speaker 2: way I didn't and then I did, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: and that's when I turned the show to being you know,
Speaker 2: pro Bible. I mean, look, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: biblical comment out there, all right, but here's the one thing.
Speaker 2: Get yourself a Tindall, a KJV or Geneva Bible and
Speaker 2: read it. Don't let anybody tell you what the Bible says.
Speaker 2: You read it for yourself. What'll take care of the rest.
Speaker 2: And so, yes, William, I mean be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm in that stage now where I'm nesting
Speaker 2: with the Bible because my time has come and it
Speaker 2: ain't good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that, man. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: just done such great work and you know, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. What uh, you know, what do you look
Speaker 1: like for you as far as like where can people
Speaker 1: reach out to you? Do you have social media? Is
Speaker 1: there something like a website? I mean I know that
Speaker 1: you're kind of still chatting with some of your old pals, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all I use is email, And since
Speaker 2: you brought this up, I'm gonna lay it on you.
Speaker 2: If anybody wants to.
Speaker 1: Get to me should email you. That's fine, because I
Speaker 1: get a lot of emails, so you can send it
Speaker 1: to me William Ramsey Investigates at gmail dot com, and
Speaker 1: I will forward it to Keith if anybody wants to
Speaker 1: reach out to them. I mean, we're in ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: I'll let you go.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd like to add? Anything I missed
Speaker 1: before we wrap up this discussion about really interesting topics
Speaker 1: nine to eleven false flags?
Speaker 2: Pretty much all the truth is a lie. That's pretty
Speaker 2: much what it comes down to. If you want to
Speaker 2: find the truth, you're going to have to go beyond
Speaker 2: what's out there as far as history books, textbooks. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've been propaganda as pretty well. As much as we
Speaker 2: make fun of countries as such as Russia and North Korea,
Speaker 2: everybody works their people, and so do we. We're no
Speaker 2: different in that matter. If there's anything that we've had
Speaker 2: is prosperity and it's more freedom, there's no two ways
Speaker 2: about it. But they're shrinking, and the whole idea what's
Speaker 2: going on now is to make all the countries the same.
Speaker 2: We're all going to be treated equally and equally as dogs,
Speaker 2: and that's all there is to it until Christ comes again.
Speaker 2: We're going to see the hard side of life. And
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but this is around the cavalry income they
Speaker 2: say this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll only be on the return of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: So again it's the great physic Goth. Go check out
Speaker 1: his stuff. I put the I'll put the link to
Speaker 1: Radio for All dot net. And I also know a
Speaker 1: couple of places on YouTube that uploaded a lot of
Speaker 1: your old stuff too, so I'll put those in the
Speaker 1: show notes. And if anybody wants to reach out to Keith,
Speaker 1: they can send me an email. But Keith, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for your time. Man, I really appreciate you. I
Speaker 1: appreciate your work too.
Speaker 2: Listen, I I appreciate the fact that you were as
Speaker 2: ambitious as you were to get me back on. I
Speaker 2: didn't mean to be like that, but I got like
Speaker 2: a little situation here, and and secondly, you know that honestly,
Speaker 2: I know that you're grateful for me putting you on
Speaker 2: in the early days, definitely, and you know I do
Speaker 2: like talking to you.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Likewise, man, it's great, great to be with
Speaker 1: you and talk with you again. And persistence pays off,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm determined. That's why I get these guests.
Speaker 1: They just give in, just give up after send an email,
Speaker 1: after email, they don't have a choice. Hey, if I
Speaker 1: go on, he'll go away. That's kind of so it's
Speaker 1: worked for me. Butt Thanks so much, Keith. Take there,
Speaker 1: having a great day, all right, brother? You don't don't don't. Yeah, thanks, don't,
Speaker 1: don't hang up, don't go anywhere.