Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Got a good one for you this week. A new
Speaker 1: book has been circulating the internet. It's called The Occult Elvis,
Speaker 1: The Mystical and Magical Life of the King, by Miguel Connor.
Speaker 1: This is our program today, and you know, we always
Speaker 1: talk about tools for transformation, being able to access the
Speaker 1: higher levels of consciousness, of physicality, of spirituality through practices,
Speaker 1: practices like meditation, different kinds of yogic practices, taichi, you know,
Speaker 1: biohacking the body. You know what I get. I mean,
Speaker 1: we cover so many different subjects every single week that
Speaker 1: it's all about enhancements. It's all about enhancements. And would
Speaker 1: you believe that the King, the King of rock and roll,
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley, was into this stuff. He was a meditator,
Speaker 1: he was into yoga, he was in the martial arts,
Speaker 1: he was a black belt in karate and even got
Speaker 1: into some situations where he had to use his martial
Speaker 1: arts to protect himself and protect those people around him.
Speaker 1: We're talking all about that today. But what I thought
Speaker 1: was interesting is I had no clue. And this is
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that this book called Elvis is
Speaker 1: doing so well and there's so much great interest in it.
Speaker 1: First of all, you know this here's a phenomenal, phenomenally
Speaker 1: talented singer musician, and you know, his life ended so tragically,
Speaker 1: he died at forty two. But what was he doing
Speaker 1: other than creating music and singing and doing live concerts.
Speaker 1: He was very very much interested in metaphysics, in the occult,
Speaker 1: in spirituality. And it's so funny. I was with a
Speaker 1: friend the other day and we were looking at this
Speaker 1: spoken we were like, Oh, there's no way this is all,
Speaker 1: you know, fabrication. But when you look at the life
Speaker 1: that he'd led, it was very much into the other
Speaker 1: levels of consciousness and the other aspects of transformation, of
Speaker 1: moving beyond the mundane physicality of everyday reality. And he
Speaker 1: read people like Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner and Ananda Yogananda,
Speaker 1: and he also was very much involved in spiritual growth.
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Speaker 1: today's program is on Elvis Presley, a part that we
Speaker 1: just didn't understand about him, his occult nature, his metaphysical nature,
Speaker 1: his spiritual nature, and some of the truly unique things
Speaker 1: that he did while he was alive. His interests are varied,
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Speaker 1: program is the occult Elvis and my guest is Miguel Connor. Hey.
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Speaker 1: There's a new book out on the internet. It's kind
Speaker 1: of catching fire. It's called The Occult Elvis, The Mystical
Speaker 1: and Magical Life of the King, and we have the
Speaker 1: author today to talk about this book. I found it
Speaker 1: interesting just because it's a huge departure from the man
Speaker 1: we know as the King of rock and roll, and
Speaker 1: I had fun looking at this material. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what we've come across today is a real, real
Speaker 1: interesting look at Elvis Presley Mike. My guest today is
Speaker 1: Miguel Connor. He is a writer, voice over artist, and
Speaker 1: host of the popular podcast Eon Bite Gnostic Radio. His
Speaker 1: other books include Voices of Gnostissism, Stargazer, Heretic, and The
Speaker 1: Executioner's Daughter. And I'm looking forward to chatting with him
Speaker 1: on this book. Miguil, Welcome to Destiny. Great to see you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me on. As I say, this
Speaker 5: ain't your grandmother's Elvis different?
Speaker 1: Where did you come across this material, my friend, because
Speaker 1: you know, we think of Presley as this you know,
Speaker 1: rock and roll icon referred by so many different musicians
Speaker 1: today and other creative people. And you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a person who's into metaphysics, and I understand that call.
Speaker 1: We interview a lot of people on the occult on
Speaker 1: this on this channel. But where did you dig this
Speaker 1: stuff up? Where did you find this stuff?
Speaker 5: It's hidden in plain sight, it's not it's uh, it's
Speaker 5: all over the place. I mean, we both know the
Speaker 5: tabloid Elvis. Remember the days you'd go to the grocery
Speaker 5: store and Elvis was dropped off by some aliens. And
Speaker 5: Elvis is alive in Argentina. He was, He was conspiracy
Speaker 5: theory before conspiracy theory was cool. Always always a pioneer,
Speaker 5: that Elvis. But no, this is all found in very
Speaker 5: lauded places, from very established biographies, from historians, books that
Speaker 5: have sold millions of copies. This information is found in
Speaker 5: Family and Friends. You can find this in Priscilla's book.
Speaker 5: In fact, the movie that came out by Sophia Koppola
Speaker 5: about a year ago has ten minutes of Elvis being
Speaker 5: a complete mystic guru. And you find it in bodyguards, friends,
Speaker 5: good articles in the Guardian, and all these things about Elvis.
Speaker 5: Also I made sure happen when there were eyewitnesses around him.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like he was alone and said something. And
Speaker 5: there was always people seeing his supernatural abilities, as occult interests,
Speaker 5: his meditation practices, and again it's all there for the taking.
Speaker 5: But I felt called to grab all these stories and
Speaker 5: experiences and put him together. And the rabbit hole was
Speaker 5: very deep because the more I looked, the more I found,
Speaker 5: the more and the more I saw, and it was
Speaker 5: an incredible experience.
Speaker 1: Did you find We'll talk about some of the people
Speaker 1: that influenced him, but did you find passages of associates
Speaker 1: or friends who were actually spiritual in nature who he
Speaker 1: kind of cultivated different unique friendships he did.
Speaker 5: I mean from an early start, Elvis was a very
Speaker 5: sensitive and curious boy. He liked to ask questions about
Speaker 5: Jesus and God even when he made it. And when
Speaker 5: he was in the army, he started he turned to
Speaker 5: believing in incarnation, started reading books like Khalil gil Brings
Speaker 5: the Prophet because it brought him spiritual relief from the
Speaker 5: death of his mother, or tried aroma therapy. So he
Speaker 5: was always very open minded. And even in his background
Speaker 5: as a Pentecostal Christian, the idea of an altered state
Speaker 5: of mind and healing with your hands was there. I mean,
Speaker 5: it was nothing alien to Elvis. And he talks about
Speaker 5: how he had the ability to ask to travel as
Speaker 5: a kid and a teenage and the ability to hear
Speaker 5: voices and gain premonitions, and he got this from his mother,
Speaker 5: and his mother always told him, don't tell anybody. This
Speaker 5: is not going to fly well at Tupelo, Mississippi in
Speaker 5: the nineteen forties or fifties, right, so keep it down.
Speaker 5: In fact, he used to wash his mouth with soap
Speaker 5: if he started talking about the voices in his head.
Speaker 5: So he was already the framework was there for Elvis
Speaker 5: to be open. And once he got famous, and he
Speaker 5: felt betrayed by his own religion because when he came
Speaker 5: out he caused a firestorm. I mean, he was the
Speaker 5: most popular person on earth, but he was also the
Speaker 5: most dangerous person on earth because he was upending the establishment,
Speaker 5: the status quo. Frank Sinatra hated him and said it's
Speaker 5: a flash in the pan. Billy Graham, the famous evangelical
Speaker 5: luminary denounced him publicly. His own pastor turned on him
Speaker 5: and said he was possessed by the devil. He was burned,
Speaker 5: and so by being curious, by being burned, he it
Speaker 5: was almost effortless for in the early sixties for Elvis
Speaker 5: to go into a broader spirituality. And that's when he
Speaker 5: met Larry Geller, who would become his spiritual teacher. He
Speaker 5: met Diamatta, who was the successor of Yogananda, and with
Speaker 5: these two individuals, he was off to the races. He
Speaker 5: was reading Manly p Hall, Freemasonry, gnostic texts, Kabbala, Taoism, Buddhism.
Speaker 5: I mean, he really had the mind of a scholar.
Speaker 5: And even again, biographers and family members said that he
Speaker 5: had a very sharp mind. He could absorb things. When
Speaker 5: he would go on tour or movie theater or at
Speaker 5: the movie studio, he always had a higher group of
Speaker 5: workers carrying two hundred books on the occult. This was
Speaker 5: very serious people. His spirituality was just as important as
Speaker 5: his music career. So that's yeah, and yeah, those two
Speaker 5: Damat and Larry Giller we the big ones, and the
Speaker 5: rest was just books and practice.
Speaker 1: Talk about his mother, Gladys because she was extremely important
Speaker 1: and influential in his life. Will you give us an
Speaker 1: overview about her? Of course, when she died it was
Speaker 1: devastating for Elvis. But was she involved in any groups
Speaker 1: or did she trigger this interest in his wanting to
Speaker 1: know more about spiritual, metaphysical, occult subjects.
Speaker 5: No, I would say no. Again, the Pentecostalism was right there.
Speaker 5: She recognized that they had these gifts some lineage I
Speaker 5: call it witch shaman, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 5: gifted people that they had extra sensory abilities. But she
Speaker 5: kept it touched. But for the most part, she was
Speaker 5: very much into the Pentecostal tradition and that kind of
Speaker 5: created Elvis because she had a premonition when she was
Speaker 5: pregnant something bad was going to happen. So she was
Speaker 5: going to church all day. And this is ours in
Speaker 5: a Pentecostal church, it's Dan saying it's going into an
Speaker 5: altered state of mind. It's ours. And Elvis was part
Speaker 5: of He was a twin and his other twin was Jesse.
Speaker 5: So in his mother's belly, he's hearing guitar music and
Speaker 5: jumping around, and I mean, and people forget that in
Speaker 5: those days, other Christians hated Pentecostalism because they used to say,
Speaker 5: it's just mixing up Jesus and sex. And whenever you
Speaker 5: would be gripped by the Holy Spirit and you would
Speaker 5: start go on the isle and go, it was called
Speaker 5: rock and rolling, So we know where this started. So
Speaker 5: that was a huge influence on Elvis, going to church
Speaker 5: even as a kid and seeing all this weird Jesus
Speaker 5: sex stuff. But tragically when he was born, before he
Speaker 5: was born, Jesse, his twin came out and came out
Speaker 5: still born. They had to have this birth at the
Speaker 5: house that were so poor, dirt poor, couldn't afford a hospital.
Speaker 5: And then thirty five minutes later Elvis came out. And
Speaker 5: of course that was a huge impact on Elvis because
Speaker 5: it's called a twinless survivor. You're growing. You come out
Speaker 5: of the world with the survivor's guilt. You wondered what happened.
Speaker 5: Part of you is always missing you. It's a it's
Speaker 5: a very hard condition. Others have suffered that called like Liberachi,
Speaker 5: Philip K. Dick and you are. You become a very
Speaker 5: spiritual person. You're looking for the bigger questions in life.
Speaker 5: You want to know why this happened, what is my destiny?
Speaker 5: But twinless survivors tend to be workaholics, self destructive, prone
Speaker 5: to addiction, can't make connections because it's it's a very
Speaker 5: powerful state. And Jesse became sort of as guiding light
Speaker 5: as Damon or high yourself. You would appear in dreams,
Speaker 5: premonitions and all that. But back to Gladys. She went
Speaker 5: to the hospital after that, and she was told she
Speaker 5: would never have children, so she became a very possessive person.
Speaker 5: And that's what you call enmeshment or lethal enmeshment, and
Speaker 5: that was a form of abuse. She was physically abusive
Speaker 5: to Elvis. But in Meshmann basically doesn't allow the child
Speaker 5: to grow and create ego boundaries, and the child becomes
Speaker 5: like this proxy husband, the king, you know what I mean. Ye,
Speaker 5: But their egos don't form and they live in this
Speaker 5: extreme world of being the king and being this childish,
Speaker 5: immature toddler. So that right there really affected Elvis. It
Speaker 5: was very oedipal, you know, to say the truth. And
Speaker 5: when she died, of course, Elvis felt like another part
Speaker 5: of him and died, and it was very hard on him.
Speaker 5: And all these things sort of led them to be
Speaker 5: who Elvis was. As I say in the book, it's
Speaker 5: almost like Elvis had no choice but to be Elvis
Speaker 5: from the very moment he was born.
Speaker 1: Talk about his brother Jesse. I had no clue that
Speaker 1: Elvis was a twin. And you write about Elvis considering
Speaker 1: Jesse kind of a psychic twin, where, in other words,
Speaker 1: he would come through. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: read passages where Elvis was saying I have a premonition
Speaker 1: that Jesse was telling me this, or before I went
Speaker 1: on stage Jesse said this. How affected was he with
Speaker 1: this influence from his dead twin brother.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Elvis never really really gave hard details. I mean,
Speaker 5: there are other predictions he made that I give him
Speaker 5: the book, But it was almost like his conscious it
Speaker 5: led him to make the right decision. He would have
Speaker 5: dreams like he would be in concert and Jesse would
Speaker 5: be next to him, and that was right before he
Speaker 5: got famous. Or he'd have dreams where he was in
Speaker 5: a funeral and he'd see Jesse and that was during
Speaker 5: a time of turmoil. So things like that. But it
Speaker 5: was a good feeling. And I mean, when you look
Speaker 5: at Elvis his career, you've got ad meant, you know,
Speaker 5: luck and talent ain't enough to the stratosphere of the
Speaker 5: heights that he went. It's almost like he knew what
Speaker 5: decisions to make and where to lean on artistically and
Speaker 5: so forth.
Speaker 1: Would you say Elvis was psychic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he definitely portrayed psychic abilities, and again this is
Speaker 5: well documented. He could, you'd say, read the room. He
Speaker 5: knew what people were going to say before they said it.
Speaker 5: He knew exactly what mood they were going to be in. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's almost like he was connected. He really did believe
Speaker 5: in telepathy and he would try exercises with people. He
Speaker 5: got it from theosophy and so forth. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: would say he was psychic, and again he got it
Speaker 5: from his mother.
Speaker 1: Interesting, fantastic. I want to get into his early stages.
Speaker 1: You have a passage where he's interviewing for Sam Phillips.
Speaker 1: He's auditioning, and it's amazing what you describe. Pretty much
Speaker 1: the whole audition is really not very good at all,
Speaker 1: and then towards the end he becomes what you call
Speaker 1: possessed or as Phillips writes, unhinged in his performance, where
Speaker 1: he's taking the spirit into his body like the Pentecostals
Speaker 1: do and he performs and this is the beginning of this.
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley on stage talk about that. That's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's quite a story. Again, there's some destiny to it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Elvis drew from the blues, rhythm and blues, which at
Speaker 5: its core is a sort of African animism, spirituality, and
Speaker 5: these spirits are replaced by the devil. The devil's very
Speaker 5: popular in blues, but as a trickster, as the sort
Speaker 5: of force of nature. And he also drew And on
Speaker 5: the other hand, he drew from from gospel music. Gospel
Speaker 5: music was very influential on rock and roll, the experiential
Speaker 5: kind of possessive Dionysian Jesus that takes over you, and
Speaker 5: these two mold it together. Even Elvis used to say,
Speaker 5: I carry heaven and Hell with me, and I have
Speaker 5: to be careful. He was a lord of extremes, a
Speaker 5: man of the crossroads and so forth, and that's what happened.
Speaker 5: Sam Phillips, the owner, knew of Elvis because he was
Speaker 5: hanging around and he bought some recordings for his mother,
Speaker 5: even though his mother didn't own a record player. So
Speaker 5: we wondering what was Elvis doing. But Sam Phillips say,
Speaker 5: is I'm gonna do like a super group good looking kids?
Speaker 5: And he was like, well, there's this Elvis guy. Everybody
Speaker 5: thought he had marginal talent. His voice was okay everybody,
Speaker 5: he couldn't read or write music, but he had the looks.
Speaker 5: He was a good looking guy. Sam Phillips is like,
Speaker 5: you know, like Millie Vanilli or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: So they were auditioning and all day Elvis is bombing.
Speaker 5: He is bombing, he can't get the notes right everything.
Speaker 5: Sam Phillips is like, no, it's not going to work out.
Speaker 5: He says, let's call it a day. Boys goes into
Speaker 5: the other room to start turning off equipment, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden something comes over Elvis and he picks
Speaker 5: this very obscure song called It's All Right, Mama, that
Speaker 5: nobody knew about. Only somebody an artistic or in the
Speaker 5: business like Sam Phillips would have heard about it. You know,
Speaker 5: he picked the right song, and he starts going full Elvis,
Speaker 5: you know, the shaking of the hips and the hiccups
Speaker 5: and the you know, the gyrations and singing it. And
Speaker 5: Sam Phillips hears it and he runs out and he's like,
Speaker 5: this is the sound I've been looking for all of
Speaker 5: my life, this is the future of the music industry,
Speaker 5: and signed him on the spot.
Speaker 1: So Phillips recognized this immense talent in this strange last song.
Speaker 1: Would you say that he was nurturing that kind of behavior,
Speaker 1: to let loose, to just let the music take over,
Speaker 1: or would you say, in the what you've discovered in
Speaker 1: the writings that perhaps he wasn't so much nurtured, he
Speaker 1: was just said be yourself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I think it was just letting
Speaker 5: Elvis let be Elvis. I mean remember, out of Sun's
Speaker 5: studios he had Jerry Lee Lewis, John B. Cash, BB King.
Speaker 5: You had this whole generation of pioneering Shamans who were
Speaker 5: very much Pentecostal Christians, very much into rhythm and blues,
Speaker 5: and they changed the landscape of the world. But way
Speaker 5: at the head was Elvis. He was like head and
Speaker 5: shoulders in the stratosphere. I mean, he couldn't have taught
Speaker 5: that to Elvis. Again, it was Elvis being Elvis. And
Speaker 5: then a year later he met Colonel Parker, and Colonel
Speaker 5: Parker was the one who could make sure that these
Speaker 5: oppressive record companies wouldn't touch his client, that he'd get
Speaker 5: the best deal, that he'd be himself in the studio
Speaker 5: to breathe, to get his energy. And once he got
Speaker 5: Colonel Parker on Van Elvis went from a star to
Speaker 5: a superstar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the And this is an interesting comparison.
Speaker 1: You you use African shamanism as a form of foundation
Speaker 1: for the Blues. In other words, you write that you
Speaker 1: believe that Elvis was a form of a shaman because
Speaker 1: he was possessed by the spirit of this energetic music
Speaker 1: and you can hear it in his voice. It's funny
Speaker 1: because when you wrote that, I was thinking, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? But then when you see the early Elvis,
Speaker 1: the pelvis moving, the body usulating almost uncontrollably, and the
Speaker 1: way he's singing that it is a form of shamanism.
Speaker 1: Describe what that is for you as a writer, what
Speaker 1: you see in that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Elvis. I call him America shaman. And
Speaker 5: the role of the shaman is a spiritual troubleshooter of
Speaker 5: the tribe and he's the one that goes into the
Speaker 5: spirit world for the healing, medicine and the insights to
Speaker 5: help the tribe. And I make the argument that's exactly
Speaker 5: what Elvis did with America. You had this mighty empire
Speaker 5: coming out of the ashes of the Great Depression in
Speaker 5: World War Two. You had this brave new world of
Speaker 5: satellites and soviets and UFOs and mass media, and Elvis
Speaker 5: was there leading the country. The word teenager didn't even
Speaker 5: exist before the fifties. See, he created this new demographic
Speaker 5: that said, look, we like alternative forms of spirituality, we
Speaker 5: want to go into black and Hispanic music, we want
Speaker 5: to get rid of segregation and all this. And this
Speaker 5: new generation came out ready to deal with this powerful empire,
Speaker 5: and Elvis was leading that. Again. If blues is an
Speaker 5: experiential altered state of mind from African animism, gospel is
Speaker 5: from this pentecostal rock and rolling sex and Jesus, and
Speaker 5: it all came together and culminated with Elvis. He he
Speaker 5: led this country into this new world as a shaman
Speaker 5: would do, as a trickster would do. That's why I
Speaker 5: keep calling him the Lord of the Crossroads because very
Speaker 5: much like Robert Johnson, who invented modern blues, who died
Speaker 5: on the same day as Elvis, they changed things they
Speaker 5: brought this magic, this force that changed the world. And
Speaker 5: it makes perfect sense, right Cliff, When we go to
Speaker 5: rock concerts, whether it's The Grateful Dead or led Zeppelin
Speaker 5: or I don't care Taylor's Swift, it doesn't matter. This
Speaker 5: this person is your high priest. This person sees something
Speaker 5: within you and it allows you to heal and you
Speaker 5: connect with these other people and you create like this
Speaker 5: aggrigre energetic pattern and it's meant to heal you and
Speaker 5: wake you up. And at the top of the food
Speaker 5: chain or the first one is still Elvis, even though
Speaker 5: other rock artists have done great jobs doing this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our
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Speaker 1: my guest today, Miguel O'Connor discussing his new book, The
Speaker 1: Occult Elvis. Will be right back.
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Speaker 1: My guess today is Miguel Connor. He has written a
Speaker 1: new book called The Occult Elvis, The Mystical and Magical
Speaker 1: Life of the King. This is a story of Elvis
Speaker 1: Presley and his metaphysical, spiritual, and occult interests. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because you are highlighting what you call the
Speaker 1: launch of rock and roll from nineteen fifty five to
Speaker 1: fifty six. Uh, when some of these early songs are
Speaker 1: coming out and it's transforming people's awareness, which is what
Speaker 1: a shaman does. You know, it is pretty funny. I
Speaker 1: want to mention something else that you bring up, and
Speaker 1: uh I I was trying to figure out the connection.
Speaker 1: But you highlight Colonel Philip Corso's book The Day After Roswell,
Speaker 1: which for me was extremely impactful because Corso not only
Speaker 1: describes his work as a special intelligence officer, but he
Speaker 1: also describes how America's industrial might grew during that period
Speaker 1: with the reengineering or reverse engineering of down UFO spacecraft.
Speaker 1: Talk about that and what that meant for America.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I couched it with Elvis because again I tried to,
Speaker 5: I try to give different lenses how to see Elvis,
Speaker 5: and the extraterredtrial ends. It has to, Yeah, but it
Speaker 5: has to be considered because when Elvis was born, a
Speaker 5: blue light appeared over his house and you know, Vernon
Speaker 5: was outside having a cigarette. Gladys is giving birth and
Speaker 5: the wind freezes the coyote stop and this light comes up,
Speaker 5: and I go, well, what happened? Was this a mother ship?
Speaker 5: Was this a heralding star like you see with Jesus,
Speaker 5: Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great? Well, but and you
Speaker 5: see ufology. All through Elvis's life, he had experiences, he
Speaker 5: was very well versed and all that. But I realized
Speaker 5: as the crossroads what happened? I mean again, we came
Speaker 5: out this mighty empire like the world had never seen,
Speaker 5: almost out of nowhere. What happened? Nazi technology? But could
Speaker 5: it be Aliens? Because yeah, when you look at human civilization,
Speaker 5: it's kind of like that. It's going putt, putt, putt.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, the Samrians boom, civilization pops out of
Speaker 5: the ground like a daisy. Then for thousands of years,
Speaker 5: we're kind of going put putt putt nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 5: or we shoot up and like never before, humanity has
Speaker 5: never seen that. In around the end of the twentieth century,
Speaker 5: now we're kind of back and then it's like what happened?
Speaker 5: But Elvis is still there because, as people say, he
Speaker 5: knew how to take advantage of all this new technology.
Speaker 5: You know, TV movie satellites, record players, transistor was like
Speaker 5: he was at the forefront to make this technology cool
Speaker 5: for the world and to show other celebrities and others
Speaker 5: this new world. You can use this technology to reach
Speaker 5: people across the globes.
Speaker 1: I get it now, Okay. So he's leveraging all this
Speaker 1: new tech, the chip and the.
Speaker 5: Once again, he's at the right time, at the right place.
Speaker 5: It's so suspicious because how is Elvis always at these places?
Speaker 1: So he incarnated at the right times what you're telling.
Speaker 5: Us, yeah, or something incarnated him. I don't know. I
Speaker 5: leave it up to the reader.
Speaker 1: That's funny. The trickster is at the and you say
Speaker 1: that he actually, I quote you, Elvis became the avatar
Speaker 1: of this trickster. And for me, avatar is a unique
Speaker 1: individual who can manipulate and then dispense of information. And
Speaker 1: in his case, he is using his music to really
Speaker 1: manipulate the audience, Isn't.
Speaker 5: He very much so? And he never wrote songs, but
Speaker 5: he made him his own. It's almost like there was
Speaker 5: an Elvis energy and he used to talk. He said,
Speaker 5: I want to go down to the cotton farmer and
Speaker 5: the slave. I want to understand their plight. And their
Speaker 5: energy and use that in my music and in my
Speaker 5: voice to help my audience. He was very open about that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I do say he is the archetypal image
Speaker 5: of the trickster. One thing that happens with this trickster
Speaker 5: through all cultures, whether it's the coyote, whether it's Hermes,
Speaker 5: whether it's Loki, trickster is the agent of change. When
Speaker 5: the eras are changing, the trickster is the god or
Speaker 5: the force that is right there in the middle to
Speaker 5: help you move. Happens a lot in Native American lore.
Speaker 5: Loki brings Ragnarok over and over. This being is telling
Speaker 5: you we are going through the change. If you ride
Speaker 5: with me, you're going to be okay. If you don't
Speaker 5: ride with me, you're going to be left behind and
Speaker 5: destroyed at the end. So Elvis really exemplified. And then
Speaker 5: you look at the characteristics of the trickster. Yeah, they're playful,
Speaker 5: but they bring knowledge like Prometheus. They'll bring you fire
Speaker 5: and you'll get burned by the fire. They're always on
Speaker 5: the outskirts, but they are outskirts, but they always speak
Speaker 5: to the outsider and the down trodden and the lonely person.
Speaker 5: I mean over and over again. This fits the trickster energy,
Speaker 5: really fits Elvis to a tea, I would.
Speaker 1: Say, you know the other thing, And for those of
Speaker 1: you listening, this book is historical in many ways because
Speaker 1: it talks about the various trends that were happening in America.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that you bring out is
Speaker 1: the fact that when you saw Elvis Presley on stage
Speaker 1: or on TV, and he's moving fluidly with the music
Speaker 1: and gyrating as sexual overtones, and this is the beginning.
Speaker 1: And I think you rightly correctly present this the sexual
Speaker 1: revolution in America, which obviously bleeds into the European area
Speaker 1: and other parts of the world. But talk about that
Speaker 1: important change in our psyche.
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, Elvis was not just the start of
Speaker 5: the sexual revolution, but also the end of segregation. He
Speaker 5: brought that, you know, he was bringing this music and
Speaker 5: these artists that couldn't be seen in public. He brought
Speaker 5: so many innovation again the crossroads. One of them was
Speaker 5: sexuality because he had that androgine quality. And again you
Speaker 5: look at myths and tales, the androgine is a supreme
Speaker 5: force because it is the perfect blending of male and
Speaker 5: female energies. The anem anonyma of Yung, and Elvis certainly
Speaker 5: exemplified that. They the era of the sort of Gary
Speaker 5: Cooper chiseled macho guy was ending. It was more of
Speaker 5: a Marlon Brando and James d and Elvis soft almost vulnerable.
Speaker 5: These men that looked that, they looked like they were
Speaker 5: showing their pain and they were being sensitive, and that
Speaker 5: was something women have been craving, and women became very
Speaker 5: liberated by it. I mean he as I say, he
Speaker 5: opened up their kundalini's and when women began to experience
Speaker 5: their bodies, the rest started following, right. The experience of body,
Speaker 5: your mind, your heart follows through. And he became really
Speaker 5: the first time in history where women could objectify objectify
Speaker 5: the male. They could look at Elvis as as simply
Speaker 5: as a sex object, and they were perfectly fine with it,
Speaker 5: no guilt, no worry. He was also called a safe
Speaker 5: sex hero because you teenage girls could watch him on
Speaker 5: TV and fantasize and whatever and perfectly say, no damage,
Speaker 5: nobody's gonna get pregnant or anything. So with the mass media,
Speaker 5: Elvis's sexuality and liberation came through through all these middle
Speaker 5: class families, and again women became liberated, and it helped
Speaker 5: men men realize, you know, I can be vulnerable like Elvins,
Speaker 5: show my feelings and you know, be more sensitive. And
Speaker 5: like you said, yeah, the sex, the relationship of the
Speaker 5: sex has changed forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How did the church respond to him? I mean
Speaker 1: I didn't get a great sense of of support. But
Speaker 1: I mean were they outrage at this wild young man
Speaker 1: flailing around on stage or was it more that will
Speaker 1: wait for the results of his music to pass or something.
Speaker 5: They hated it with a passion. The status quot hated it. Remember,
Speaker 5: the entertainment business hated him. The government was not happy.
Speaker 5: Long before Jim Morrison got arrested, Elvis had the judge said,
Speaker 5: if you shake your hips at this concert, I am
Speaker 5: going to arrest you. And Elvis he stood up, and
Speaker 5: it's a famous scene where Elvis is like, the judge says,
Speaker 5: I can't move my hips, and he sticks out his
Speaker 5: pinky and he goes, I wonder if you mind if
Speaker 5: I move my pan And the whole concert Elvis is
Speaker 5: doing this just to kind of give it. But he
Speaker 5: was despised. He pissed off a lot of people. Billy Graham,
Speaker 5: the famous evangelical leader denounced in publicly his own pastor
Speaker 5: said he was possessed by Satan, know he he And
Speaker 5: it really hurt Elvis because, yeah, already a lot of
Speaker 5: Christians Christians hated Pentecostalism, but they really hated Elvis for
Speaker 5: that again, mixing Jesus and sex. And he was burned.
Speaker 5: And that was one of the reasons he eventually moved
Speaker 5: away from Christianity, or actually ran away from Christianity because
Speaker 5: of that. He felt betrayed. At one point early on,
Speaker 5: he felt like incarnation just made much more sense than
Speaker 5: the eternal damnation. He thought they were businesses, they were corrupt,
Speaker 5: and he just said, eh, I'm going to move on
Speaker 5: to find my own form of Christianity.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you know, you don't write a great deal about
Speaker 1: his sexual conquest, but he seemed withdrawn in your writing,
Speaker 1: like somebody who wasn't going to go out there in
Speaker 1: every concert grab a new woman to bed. He seemed
Speaker 1: like he was very hyper sensitive to who he went
Speaker 1: to bed with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was an introvert at heart, and again I
Speaker 5: think he would have wanted to be a one man woman,
Speaker 5: but because of his past losing Jesse Mom abuse, mommy issues.
Speaker 5: It was hard for him to do that. But yeah,
Speaker 5: he was not as over sexualized as mythology would have it.
Speaker 5: As I show, there are many instances where and again,
Speaker 5: women wanted Elvis as their bed notch. I mean, they
Speaker 5: were hunting him more than he was hunting in them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So there were times when he'd go on a date
Speaker 5: with some girl and he'd sit there and he'd open
Speaker 5: a book and let's talk about theology, or let's meditate together,
Speaker 5: or you know, some girl there was one singer and
Speaker 5: she said I'm a virgin. He's like, whoa, We're gonna
Speaker 5: You're gonna date me for like two or three weeks
Speaker 5: and then you're gonna decide if you want to continue this.
Speaker 5: So he was not the crazy guy that he was.
Speaker 5: He was not monogamous because he just couldn't understand. He
Speaker 5: had terrible problem. As much as he could connect with
Speaker 5: his audience, connecting with women on a person in the
Speaker 5: level was very hard for him. But yeah, he was
Speaker 5: a complex, enigmatic person.
Speaker 1: Interesting. You have a chapter in your book called The
Speaker 1: Guru where this guy named Larry Geller comes into his life.
Speaker 1: This is somebody who is kind of an early you
Speaker 1: actually call him an early hippie and early form of
Speaker 1: a hippie who takes in spiritual teachings and is seemingly
Speaker 1: well read in some of the unique aspects of spirituality.
Speaker 1: Talk about him and how he influences Elvis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Larry Geller is definitely essential. And again we have
Speaker 5: to look at Fate again because Larry Giller was a hairdresser,
Speaker 5: but he was a very verse occultist. He'd been initiated
Speaker 5: in all these orders and Buddhists religions, just a all
Speaker 5: around mystic guy. But what happened is its early sixties.
Speaker 5: Elvis is still in pain about his mother, wondering about Jesse,
Speaker 5: mad at Christianity for what they did to him, but
Speaker 5: he's also completely disillusioned. He's like, Okay, I've conquered the
Speaker 5: world as a rock star. I'm getting paid millions of
Speaker 5: dollars to do these vapid movies. I've got everything, but
Speaker 5: I'm unhappy. I am so unhappy. I'm empty. So he
Speaker 5: was just really he was floundering emotionally. So it happened again. Fate,
Speaker 5: Elvis' hairdresser says, Hey, Elvis, I'm going to start my
Speaker 5: own business. I can't work for you. Elvis is like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: that's really cool. Can you recommend anybody? This person recommends
Speaker 5: Larry Geller. Larry Geller shows up at his mansion in
Speaker 5: bel Air and starts cutting his hair, and you would
Speaker 5: think they would just have small talk, right, that's what
Speaker 5: you do. But Elvis for some reason turns around and
Speaker 5: goes Larry, who are you? What are you into? And
Speaker 5: Larry Gailor should have could have said, oh, I cut hair.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of celebrities. I've cut the hair
Speaker 5: of this stuff. You know a million answers, but he
Speaker 5: simply like went, I'm into mysticism, I'm into search for God,
Speaker 5: I'm into And Elvis turned around and was like, this
Speaker 5: is what I've been looking for all these years. They
Speaker 5: had a four hour conversation in the bathroom about metaphysics,
Speaker 5: and the next day Larry brings them all these books
Speaker 5: and Elvis is off to the racist just becomes a
Speaker 5: full blown mystic occultist, alternative spirituality guru and that not
Speaker 5: guru but you know learner and then a student. And
Speaker 5: then Larry Gailor turns has Elvis meet Dayamata, who's Yoga
Speaker 5: Nanda's successor. She connects with Elvis immediately. They both like
Speaker 5: each other and he begins going to the ashram and
Speaker 5: meditating and doing yoga under her tutelage for years. So
Speaker 5: those two really got Elvis. And again this was part
Speaker 5: of his life until he died, through the drug addict days,
Speaker 5: through the divorce, through the vague he was. You know,
Speaker 5: it was always an essential part to Elvis's life because
Speaker 5: he wanted to know the bigger questions of life. He
Speaker 5: wanted to know what his purpose was. He didn't want
Speaker 5: to just be a rock star. He really wanted to
Speaker 5: be somebody who healed and helped others and you know,
Speaker 5: woke up the world. He thought that Jesus and Buddha
Speaker 5: and Moses were just self actualized individuals, and he hoped
Speaker 5: very humbly. He's like, I could be that and change history.
Speaker 5: I can be you know. He was into freemasonry and
Speaker 5: the ascended Masters, and he just kept hoping, please let
Speaker 5: it be me. I want to be this next person,
Speaker 5: this next avatar of the divine.
Speaker 1: I mean, did he are you right about him being
Speaker 1: in the Ananda Center in La Did he learn meditation?
Speaker 5: So he did.
Speaker 1: He learned, He learned the the yoga Nanda system of meditation.
Speaker 5: I guess right, yeah, And then he would go into
Speaker 5: like Tibetan Buddhism. There's stories of him and being in
Speaker 5: concert and stopping it and doing Tibetan you know, in
Speaker 5: his Vegas garb, doing Tibetan prayer. So he was very eclected.
Speaker 5: He loved to incorporate different things. Then, like I said,
Speaker 5: from an early age, he could astroll travel. He could
Speaker 5: just sit there, go into a trance and just sort
Speaker 5: of go within himself. He used to be He did
Speaker 5: that as a child. Even he had this amazing ritual
Speaker 5: where even when later in the seventies he would light
Speaker 5: a candle in a dark room and just stare at
Speaker 5: the candle and he could will himself to get younger
Speaker 5: and become a child and go into his mother's womb
Speaker 5: and go at the font of creation. So he had
Speaker 5: different techniques and practices.
Speaker 1: Here's this guy is looking into spirituality and absorbing it,
Speaker 1: and he's learning how to meditate. Why does his life crumble?
Speaker 1: Why does it become so self destruction? You would since
Speaker 1: because I've been meditating for thirty years, I know where
Speaker 1: to stop. I mean, I've been writing about cannabis. At
Speaker 1: some point I had to just say I can't do
Speaker 1: it anymore. But in his case, he just went crazy
Speaker 1: with these weight loss drugs, with these amphetamines. I mean,
Speaker 1: his life just spiraled out of control where there's no
Speaker 1: governors anywhere.
Speaker 5: What happened, Well, that's a big question. That's the mystery.
Speaker 5: I mean, as a recovering alcoholic, I always know it's
Speaker 5: going to be a mystery at the end of the day.
Speaker 5: It's like, why did my brother died of alcoholism? Why
Speaker 5: did I get it? Why did I get my shit together?
Speaker 5: But I do try to give different angles al chemical,
Speaker 5: Youngion Steiner, psychological to understand his rise and his I
Speaker 5: think the one that I go into, or I really
Speaker 5: gravitate to, is out of the wounded healer. We're back
Speaker 5: at shamanism, Cliff, and many cultures, or most cultures across
Speaker 5: the globe. In history, the shaman is called is a
Speaker 5: broken individual, somebody who has suffered a near death experience,
Speaker 5: who is handicapped, who's had some severe trauma, and this
Speaker 5: trauma opens up the channels of communication to the spirit
Speaker 5: world and somehow gives them their powers, and the wounded
Speaker 5: healer heals others not despite their trauma, but because of
Speaker 5: their trauma, and they feel that if they lose their
Speaker 5: trauma and their pain, they'll lose their magic. And this
Speaker 5: is normal. I think that's what Elvis suffered, remember, losing Jesse,
Speaker 5: abusive mother, poverty, all that, he felt that his pain
Speaker 5: was what really drove them. And in some cultures, and
Speaker 5: fortunately this shaman always being in the spiritual world, the
Speaker 5: responsibility of carrying the tribe all that. Eventually the shamans
Speaker 5: end up being drug addicts and broken down, overweight people
Speaker 5: and their tribe and the tribe's like, that's your job,
Speaker 5: and the shaman's like, that is my job. So I
Speaker 5: liked that connection. And of course with Elvis, yeah, there
Speaker 5: was the pills, he was a workaholic, the responsibility, there
Speaker 5: was a lot of things that really pressured or wore
Speaker 5: Elvis down. And again not coming to their instances. You know,
Speaker 5: he was still traumatized about his mother and crying as
Speaker 5: an adult about her and wondering about Jesse. Yeah, he
Speaker 5: never had it. People complain today, Cliff, but we have
Speaker 5: a lot of good choices today on the internet and
Speaker 5: psychology and book you know, we have a wide variety
Speaker 5: of trauma healing.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our
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Speaker 3: Run my few much temper Jurassic higher. It's pretty rude
Speaker 3: and all girl, girl, you gonna send me on fire
Speaker 3: my brain exclaim. I don't know where E's fight to go.
Speaker 1: My guest today is author Miguel Connor, who has written
Speaker 1: a new book called The Occult The Mystical and Magical
Speaker 1: Life of the King. This is a look at a
Speaker 1: mystical and metaphysical Elvis Presley. That was my next question
Speaker 1: was was Geller not in the scene when he was
Speaker 1: having these problems where he could be a lifeline for
Speaker 1: him and say, look look at this, go to this
Speaker 1: treatment center. I mean, I don't ever remember, and maybe
Speaker 1: you know el reading about Elvis. Of course he was
Speaker 1: before I was born, going to a treatment center anywhere
Speaker 1: and getting at least dried or cleaned up a little
Speaker 1: bit so that he had a more of it.
Speaker 5: Did not treatment cent but hospitals to detonks, and there
Speaker 5: were times when he'd go on vacation. It'd be Christmas
Speaker 5: and he wasn't touring, and he would just stop. He'd
Speaker 5: get healthy again. It isn't enigma, like I writ in
Speaker 5: the book. On the day he died, he played racketball
Speaker 5: for hours two days before he was writing his Harley
Speaker 5: in Memphis. Does that sound like a junkie to you?
Speaker 5: It sounds like somebody who's He was very a person
Speaker 5: of extremes. And he did once tell Larry, if I
Speaker 5: hadn't met you, I would have died in the sixties.
Speaker 5: I would have self destructed. You allowed me to go
Speaker 5: farther than I should have gone. But he just couldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he just couldn't take it, or it just had to end.
Speaker 5: I mean I do right. I think Elvis knew he
Speaker 5: was going to die. I knew his mission on Earth
Speaker 5: was over, and he knew that his time as a
Speaker 5: shaman had ended and it was time for him to
Speaker 5: go back to the Mothership. And he did talk Sorry,
Speaker 5: he did talk to Gary about his mother, about Jesse.
Speaker 5: He did try to talk to Geller. That the thing
Speaker 5: with Elvis, he was the apex predator, he was the
Speaker 5: king of the hill. He did what he wanted to do.
Speaker 5: He had again this sort of self destructive part of
Speaker 5: him that he couldn't control.
Speaker 1: This truth, Let me ask you about that for a minute. Sure, Miguel,
Speaker 1: is it possible that he got to be so famous,
Speaker 1: so big that nothing anyone could say to him would
Speaker 1: make a difference. In other words, he's at a state
Speaker 1: of consciousness where he's like, I don't really need to
Speaker 1: hear from you anymore. I'm on my own path and
Speaker 1: this is the way, this is the way it is,
Speaker 1: even though he was bouncing between overweight and thin, and
Speaker 1: who knows what kind of drugs he was taking, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine somebody who's hyper sensitive and
Speaker 1: meditating taking drugs to wake up and go to sleeping
Speaker 1: like obviously, But if you think that your path is
Speaker 1: true and honorable, you're not going to give a shit
Speaker 1: about what other people say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's for sure. I mean it's hard to judge.
Speaker 5: I mean I do. There are examples in life. I mean,
Speaker 5: just because you've become enlightened doesn't mean you're going to
Speaker 5: stop being a human. You look at people like Alan
Speaker 5: Watts died an alcoholic, Aleister Crowley died a drug addict.
Speaker 5: They say Krishna mute, dried, very depressed. There are many
Speaker 5: instances of these very spiritual magicians and leaders who they
Speaker 5: don't make it, you know, unhappiness, addiction, those will always
Speaker 5: be part of the human condition. You know, you know,
Speaker 5: you gather would before you're enlightenment, you gather would have
Speaker 5: you know, sadness, loneliness, They're always part of the human condition.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they get the best of us, and with Elvis,
Speaker 5: that was it. He was a very humble person. His
Speaker 5: mother taught him we are all equal under the eyes
Speaker 5: of God. He never saw himself as high or lower.
Speaker 5: Any religion is better or worse, except scientology. But he
Speaker 5: was very humble person. But at the same time, he
Speaker 5: was at the top of the food chain. When Elvis
Speaker 5: woke up, everybody woke up. If Elvis wanted to go
Speaker 5: suddenly get his private jet and fly to Denver to
Speaker 5: eat a peanut butter fried sandwich, everybody, you know, he
Speaker 5: was the king, and he was part of a multi
Speaker 5: million dollar business that depended on him. So he could
Speaker 5: be very erratic, very arrogant. But for the most part,
Speaker 5: most people say he was very approachable and very kind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty interesting talk about Elvis the healer. This
Speaker 1: was a fascinating area in the book, a whole chapter
Speaker 1: on his seeming ability to lay hands on certain people
Speaker 1: and have positive effects. You give some examples, but why
Speaker 1: did you include that. Did you actually find passages where
Speaker 1: he is working with certain people and doing, you know, healings.
Speaker 5: Very much and again witnesses all over. He came from
Speaker 5: a Pentecostal movement where healing on hands was supposed to
Speaker 5: be a natural ability. So there's a story where he
Speaker 5: had tonsilit as a kid. He went to the doctor again,
Speaker 5: poor guy, poor Southerner. The doctor says, I can't do
Speaker 5: anything for you. He went back to his house in
Speaker 5: the morning and he had a fever tonsilitis, and his
Speaker 5: parents laid their hands on him, prayed all day. By
Speaker 5: the afternoon he was cured. So he believed that and
Speaker 5: it was part of his life. And as he got
Speaker 5: into the occult, he started incorporating theosophical Alice Bailey tricks
Speaker 5: with Christian prayers and he became a full time healer.
Speaker 5: Again Priscilla's bio, she says that Elvis could touch her
Speaker 5: head and completely heal her headache. He healed his grandmother's
Speaker 5: Minie Mays arthritis. He could heal hangovers, he'd be popular
Speaker 5: at the parties, right, nausea, all that. It was very
Speaker 5: easy for Elvis to do. And then I'd bring very
Speaker 5: extreme healing abilities. One example, he could heal backing up,
Speaker 5: he could heal back aches and all that. But there
Speaker 5: was a time where he's driving around in Memphis and
Speaker 5: he sees there's a bus over the curve and the
Speaker 5: driver staggering on the street holding his chest, and Elvis
Speaker 5: jumps out of his limo, runs, puts his one hand
Speaker 5: around him, puts his hand in his heart, and he's like,
Speaker 5: you're gonna be okay, and does his prayer and the
Speaker 5: guy cures his heart attack. I think he might have
Speaker 5: looked up and seen Elvis and that, like, imagine if
Speaker 5: you're on the stream and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: But and then he stayed there to the hospital. There's
Speaker 5: another instance where his backup singer, Sylvia Shamwell from he
Speaker 5: had a backup singer's called a Sweet Inspirations. She's crying
Speaker 5: in the dressing room and the other singers are trying
Speaker 5: to console her, and Elvis walks by and he's like, Hey,
Speaker 5: what's going on? And Sylvia says, I just went to
Speaker 5: the doctor having curable stomach cancer, and I'm really sad.
Speaker 5: Elvis says, all right, let's get to work. He has
Speaker 5: him and all the other ladies kneel around her and
Speaker 5: they're praying and praying. She goes to the doctor. The
Speaker 5: next day cancer is gone. Oh and I saw more
Speaker 5: examples of Elvis doing it. It was just part of it.
Speaker 5: He could heal anybody but himself, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really really said, that's a great example. Thank you
Speaker 1: for that. You know, it's sad when you realize that
Speaker 1: Elvis passed at forty two, and he has and I
Speaker 1: don't think you did this purposely, but you have these
Speaker 1: christs like comparison, Christ died very young, and you know,
Speaker 1: Elvis is this unique individual, and you write about him
Speaker 1: being a unique individual, has been raised by his mother
Speaker 1: and his father's place in his life. What are we
Speaker 1: supposed to take from that? I mean, are we looking
Speaker 1: at Elvison thinking, you know, and this is what you're
Speaker 1: writing about, this unique spiritual being who's extremely talented, but
Speaker 1: his time on earth has short lived simply because maybe
Speaker 1: he was not meant to live beyond a certain period
Speaker 1: of time. It just seems so strange to have these
Speaker 1: capabilities and sensitivities and to pass at forty two.
Speaker 5: Very true. But as I say in the book, he
Speaker 5: hasn't left. He's still making appearances. His spirit is still
Speaker 5: with us. He is the avatar of the American dream.
Speaker 5: He is the essence of the post war America. And
Speaker 5: he's I say, he's become a mythology, a living mythology.
Speaker 5: He's become almost a living force. I do say, if
Speaker 5: this country is fragmenting, we don't know what it is
Speaker 5: to be an America, and we don't connect anymore. And
Speaker 5: in a way, I think Elvis going back to Elvis
Speaker 5: will get us there. And he's becoming more popular than ever.
Speaker 5: If you notice, I mean even my kids sees songs
Speaker 5: on TikTok now. So I think it's he's still with us.
Speaker 5: He's made a lot of apparit. There's a lot of
Speaker 5: Elvis apparitions. You can go to the Graceland website. There
Speaker 5: is a there is one page where you can write
Speaker 5: down your Elvis sightings. Graceland is the second most visited
Speaker 5: house in this country after the White House. And he's
Speaker 5: he's appearing like like I say, this jokingly, but I
Speaker 5: think from a mythological spiritual level, it makes sense that
Speaker 5: if you're making appearances to people in dreams and real
Speaker 5: life as much as Jesus, the Virgin, Mary UFOs and Bigfoot,
Speaker 5: you're in a big company. You're in a pantheon demigods
Speaker 5: of gods, of American gods. You know you are. You're
Speaker 5: appearing because the psyche of this country needs you. You know,
Speaker 5: when King Arthur is ready, he will come back. When
Speaker 5: Jesus is ready, he'll come back. And I think Elvis
Speaker 5: has reached those levels of I don't know what you
Speaker 5: want to call it, divinity, collective consciousness, projection, however you
Speaker 5: want to slice the cake and I give different theories.
Speaker 1: Can you can you provide an example of a group
Speaker 1: of people seeing him and you know, post death obviously,
Speaker 1: where he appears and does he say anything or he
Speaker 1: just his image shows up somewhere.
Speaker 5: No, he appeared in He appeared in a lot of
Speaker 5: dreams and near death experiences. He appeared to people like
Speaker 5: this lady who went to Graceland and then a couple
Speaker 5: of years later he just shows up in her office
Speaker 5: and she for some reason wasn't like surprise or stunts
Speaker 5: like Elvis, what are you doing here? And he's like, well,
Speaker 5: I just came to talk because remember all those dreams
Speaker 5: when you were young and you ended up selling out
Speaker 5: to be a corporate attack. And she's like, you're right,
Speaker 5: I sold it out. And Elvis was like, maybe it's
Speaker 5: time you got yours together and lived a good life.
Speaker 5: And she and then he disappeared. But for some reason
Speaker 5: she wrote it in her calendar, or she looked at
Speaker 5: her Elvis came to visit at the office. She couldn't
Speaker 5: she thought she was a dream or thought she wrote
Speaker 5: it down, and so many other visitations. There was one
Speaker 5: where this lady had his jacket because Elvis was a
Speaker 5: giving person, Like one day years ago before he died,
Speaker 5: she was part of this entourage and it was cold
Speaker 5: outside and Elvis took off like his ten thousand dollars jackets,
Speaker 5: like here, honey, put it on, never asked for it back.
Speaker 5: That's how what Elvis did. He just he didn't care.
Speaker 5: He gave to people. And she had this jacket, and
Speaker 5: after he died, this jacket kept falling from her closet.
Speaker 5: Every day. She's freaking out, so she moves out and
Speaker 5: rents the apartment to some other people and they're like,
Speaker 5: you know, objects are moving, jackets are falling.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 5: She's like, then she has a dream and she goes
Speaker 5: up to heaven and Elvis, and he meets Elvis, like, Alvis,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? It's like, you're really You're really dumb,
Speaker 5: aren't you. And she's like, why are you calling me that.
Speaker 5: I've been trying to get your attention with the jacket
Speaker 5: all this time. And she's like, I was freaking out
Speaker 5: and she's like, well, what do you want to tell me?
Speaker 5: Elvis is like, I'm telling you all your life you're
Speaker 5: afraid of death. There is a spiritual world and I'm
Speaker 5: proof of it. So please be comforted and go back
Speaker 5: to your life. And I give many other examples years
Speaker 5: happening of Elvis appearing in different places, and he still does.
Speaker 5: He's still with us. You have a Jim. I hope
Speaker 5: you have a dream or a visitation too.
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess maybe I will after this book. The
Speaker 1: book's called The Elvis The Mystical and Magical Life of
Speaker 1: the King. My guest today's been Miguel Connor. What was
Speaker 1: what was the most impressive thing about Elvis after you
Speaker 1: finish this book, Miguel, what was left the most lasting
Speaker 1: impression of him?
Speaker 5: I think it was his kindness. He really was a
Speaker 5: person who saw everybody is equal, it didn't matter who
Speaker 5: it was. Again, he dated black women in high school,
Speaker 5: almost got killed for it. The sheriffs almost beat him
Speaker 5: to death. Yeah, there's stories of him. You know, he's
Speaker 5: segregated South and he's eating an ice cream and across
Speaker 5: the street there's a black kid like look and he
Speaker 5: goes and he shares. I mean, giving person. He didn't
Speaker 5: matter what race or religion was, and he always cared
Speaker 5: for people. He would again give away jackets, he would
Speaker 5: he wants. He was watching TV and there's a show
Speaker 5: of this woman who had lost her legs and she
Speaker 5: was using a cardboard and a skateboard in Memphis to
Speaker 5: go around. He freaks out, he gets out, He goes
Speaker 5: and buys her the most expensive wheelchair and he takes
Speaker 5: it to her house. It just drops it off. I
Speaker 5: mean there's a time where he's there, he's ready to
Speaker 5: go to a Hollywood movie and his father, Vernon says, hey,
Speaker 5: I just got this letter near your fan club. This
Speaker 5: girl is dying of cancer. Her last wish is to
Speaker 5: see you, and he's like, cancel all my plans, and
Speaker 5: he goes right to the hospital, shows up at her
Speaker 5: room and holds her hand until it's going to be okay,
Speaker 5: I'm here with you and all I mean, and I
Speaker 5: give dozens and dozens. It's just this kindness. It's just
Speaker 5: you don't see that with celebrities or politicians. And again,
Speaker 5: he never called the press. He never you know, he
Speaker 5: would just do this in secret. It's something you have
Speaker 5: to look for. His sacs of kindness were always varying,
Speaker 5: secret and away from the public side.
Speaker 1: I think what I when you hear about big stars
Speaker 1: like that. His foundation is probably still making millions a year.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they keep using for Graceland
Speaker 1: to keep up the museum there, but I think it's
Speaker 1: in the tens of millions, if not more, that he's
Speaker 1: the foundation is still making. Fascinating.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it had to happen because when he died,
Speaker 5: you know, the tens of millions of dollars coming in ended,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, yeah, he was still making a
Speaker 5: ton of money with royalties, but his concerts we were
Speaker 5: really the money. So the family, the estate, you know,
Speaker 5: Priscilla and Lisa. Marie was young. Vernon died soon after Elvis,
Speaker 5: probably out of heartbroken. Yeah, it was like they were
Speaker 5: gonna lose Graceline because it was such a big, expensive
Speaker 5: piece of real estate, so they had to commercialize it
Speaker 5: so they could pay the rent or the mortgage.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Uh, do you have a website? People can check
Speaker 1: out what's going on with with you, People can learn
Speaker 1: more about the book. The book just came up, by
Speaker 1: the way, and it's available on Amazon. I saw it
Speaker 1: this morning. But tell us about the website and what
Speaker 1: else is going on, Sar.
Speaker 5: Thanks. Yeah, the book is available on all your usual suspects.
Speaker 5: There is an audiobook, there's Kindle, there's everything. And my
Speaker 5: website is Miguelconnor dot com. So it's just my name
Speaker 5: dot com, m I g U E L C O
Speaker 5: N N eer dot com. And there you'll find the book.
Speaker 5: You'll find my podcast, my blog where I'm writing more
Speaker 5: about Elvis because I'm finding out more stories I feel
Speaker 5: we've just it's just the tip of the iceberg and
Speaker 5: social media and all that. You'll you'll find all that
Speaker 5: stuff there.
Speaker 1: So hey, are you I mean, you could do a
Speaker 1: whole year's worth of Elvis material in your podcast. You
Speaker 1: must have done it for a while. It probably gets tiresome, though.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 5: I'm just a servant. I am just serving an old friend.
Speaker 5: That's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Hey, Miguel, thanks for joining me. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And continued success on this book.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you very much. Thanks. I had to say,
Speaker 5: it had to be said a good deal. Thanks for
Speaker 5: having me on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: What a fascinating look at Elvis. You know, the pinnacles
Speaker 1: of success, the greatest success that most people would enjoy,
Speaker 1: and then to fall so heavily and have an untimely
Speaker 1: death at forty two. Wow. I mean so much to
Speaker 1: understand about the man in this book, but tragic at
Speaker 1: the same time, very very tragic. So I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. Hey, I want to mention that we do
Speaker 1: tours every year Earth Ancients, Destiny Anxious Special Edition in
Speaker 1: the Archives. We combine the best of our people here,
Speaker 1: that our guests that we have with great tours. We
Speaker 1: have two tours coming up. We have Turkey coming up
Speaker 1: on the twenty second of June through the second of July.
Speaker 1: We have a new one we are just developing right now.
Speaker 1: We're about to release it. It's our Sacred Pyramids of Guatemala.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why this tour is unique. Well,
Speaker 1: we I mean, typically we've been doing our tours in
Speaker 1: Mexico because there are so many pyramids that we know,
Speaker 1: there are so many ancient ruins. But the Mexican government
Speaker 1: is very very much stand offish when it comes to
Speaker 1: interacting with the pyramids, using local shaman and the native
Speaker 1: people in the area to who have lived in these
Speaker 1: areas for thousands of years, to provide ceremony, to help
Speaker 1: us open to these sacred locations. You literally cannot do
Speaker 1: that anymore in Mexico. They've cordoned off many of the
Speaker 1: sites that we go to and no indigenous people are
Speaker 1: allowed to do ceremony. Guatemala is wide open. We have
Speaker 1: a new tour. It's going to be December first through
Speaker 1: the twelfth. Again it's in Guatemala. It is a wonderful
Speaker 1: tour because we're interacting with the pyramids. We get to
Speaker 1: climb the pyramids, we get to have shamanistic ceremonies, and
Speaker 1: we get to connect with these sites. This is what
Speaker 1: they built, these places for is to connect body, mind
Speaker 1: and spirit. If you like to be a part of
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Speaker 1: I'll send you the details. We're just about ready to
Speaker 1: release it. I mentioned this to my regulars and we're
Speaker 1: a brought halfway full already. We only take about twenty people.
Speaker 1: We really don't like to take big cross because it
Speaker 1: makes it more intimate, it makes it more special. And
Speaker 1: you can climb the pyramids and guess what, the most
Speaker 1: well renowned famous pyramid, the Lost World Pyramid, is one
Speaker 1: of the sites that we go to. Why is the
Speaker 1: Lost World Pyramid so special because this is the pyramid
Speaker 1: that John Burke the scientists tested with electros and discovered
Speaker 1: that at certain times of the day and the night,
Speaker 1: it is producing energy to lurk energy. And when you
Speaker 1: sit on that pyramid, you are bathing this energy and
Speaker 1: you are transformed in many ways. So again, if you
Speaker 1: want to get more information, be a part of this pyramid.
Speaker 1: It's December first of the twelfth. Send me an email,
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Speaker 1: letter you at gmail dot com. We have a number
Speaker 1: of tours each year. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: special tour. I'm hoping it to make I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: make it a regular tour because of the interaction we
Speaker 1: can have with the pyramids, with the indigenous elders and
Speaker 1: shaman in the area, and it is going to be really,
Speaker 1: really fun. So I hope you can join us. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for this show. I want to think. My
Speaker 1: guest today Miguel Connor, releasing his new book The Occult.
Speaker 1: Elvis has always the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster
Speaker 1: and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock,
Speaker 1: all right, take care of you well, and we will
Speaker 1: talk to you next time.
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