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<v Speaker 1>Whiskey coming, fake me, pay the money all right?

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<v Speaker 2>Why think alone when you can drink it all in

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<v Speaker 2>with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour, join your bartenders Steve Hayward,

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<v Speaker 2>John U and the International Woman of Mystery Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the laptapping live.

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<v Speaker 3>It ain't you easy on the should taps, gotta give

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<v Speaker 3>me and let that whiskey clone. Welcome everybody to a

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<v Speaker 3>special Thanksgiving Day episode of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour,

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<v Speaker 3>where we have decided to interrupt your viewing of the

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<v Speaker 3>Detroit Lions and the Dallas Cloud Cowbs losing their usual

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<v Speaker 3>Thanksgiving Day games, and we're gonna get straight to it

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<v Speaker 3>and find out what Our co hosts, Steve Hayward, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Hi, and the International Woman of Mystery, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucretia who has a real kid, who has a real

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<v Speaker 2>name up in the panel, but maybe she'll fix well

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<v Speaker 2>they've got unfixed.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait by the way, John Krisha fixes her name. We

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<v Speaker 3>are going to find out what they're doing for Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 3>because I know when everybody right now when you listen

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<v Speaker 3>to this is having Thanksgiving dinner, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>comparing the meal before you to what are too glamorous

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<v Speaker 3>philosopher slash cooks. And that's where Plato went wrong. He

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<v Speaker 3>should not have said philosopher king should run the world.

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<v Speaker 3>He should have said philosopher cooks should run. Well, what

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<v Speaker 3>are two resident philosopher kirks cooks are going to do

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<v Speaker 3>for Thanksgiving? Steve? What do you got going on that

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<v Speaker 3>immense barbecue of your sitting over the California Yeah cliffs

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<v Speaker 3>and the Pacific Ocean.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually I'm going over the hill to pass the

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<v Speaker 2>robles where I'm fighting with one of my best friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna row tistrie a large turkey outdoors on

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<v Speaker 2>a grill. Uh, because it's warm weather. Yes, yes, a

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<v Speaker 2>rotiss turkey. The only thing is better than you've never

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<v Speaker 2>if you've never thought of such a thing, John, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a uh yeah, it's a great way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>The only better way maybe is to deep fry a turkey,

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<v Speaker 2>which I have done a couple of times. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna rotissriy uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I'm also because.

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<v Speaker 2>The oven in the kitchen inside the house is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be busy with all the other vegetables and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna make, uh, I'm gonna attempt to make for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time popovers on a gas grill outside because

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<v Speaker 2>we you know, my friend has two grills, uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna wash it all down with.

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<v Speaker 3>What Joslaughlin with his TV show Steve raw please save

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<v Speaker 3>us for these monstrosities Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 4>Over?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 4>He sends me pictures, and they always burned. I bet

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<v Speaker 4>when they're not burned, they're good. Though. I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not burned.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a picture of it still in my photos, Steve,

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<v Speaker 4>don't you ever say that? Today? I am cooking, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>pumpkin pies from scratch, without any like nasty old evaporated

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<v Speaker 4>adulterated milk as they would say in uh caroline products

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<v Speaker 4>with real cream. But here's the big thing and that

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<v Speaker 4>and we're wiped cream, of course, is I make my

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<v Speaker 4>crust with vodka, and I don't you know, all of

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<v Speaker 4>that obviously cooks so you don't get any taste. But

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<v Speaker 4>it makes butter pie crust made with vodka. It's the flakiest.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even eat crust. And I'll eat this and

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<v Speaker 4>then people fight over it and stab each other with

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<v Speaker 4>forks to try to get more of the crust so

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<v Speaker 4>pumpkin pie. And then for mister Lucretia and you know

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<v Speaker 4>his ongoing autoimmune issues with food, I am making a

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<v Speaker 4>honey cinnamon cheesecake so that he can actually have something

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<v Speaker 4>like dessert. But when Steve mentioned that thing about vegetables,

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<v Speaker 4>who on earth actually eats sorry, who on Earth eats vegetables?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, man, maybe sweet potatoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they're I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't charge that part.

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<v Speaker 4>But the last reason that you're wrong, yes, exactly so wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>is because if you put a turkey on the grill,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you make gravy? How do you make ky bravy?

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<v Speaker 4>And what are you going to put on top of

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<v Speaker 4>your mass potatoes? And what are you going to put

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<v Speaker 4>on top of the star at the Lucasia household? Is

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<v Speaker 4>my stuffing made from my home sour dough, sausage, apples, cranberries,

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<v Speaker 4>et cetera, et cetera, that you can eat. The gravy

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<v Speaker 4>just makes it better. And if you don't have bravy, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Your efforts and culture have failed. Again, you have no imaginations.

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<v Speaker 3>A good American tradition, look is the best part of

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<v Speaker 2>Person of all, you get better stuffing in things because

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<v Speaker 2>you bank the coals and you put a pan below

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<v Speaker 2>the turkey as it wrote, as it based as it

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<v Speaker 2>rotates self basting that way, and you get the most

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful juices out of it with a smoky barbecue flavor.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have lots of juice for use on your

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<v Speaker 2>stuffing and other side dishes.

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<v Speaker 3>So there, so can I say to resolve this, we

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<v Speaker 3>will be having a regular episode this weekend, and so

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<v Speaker 3>both Steve and Lucretia are invited to post pictures episode

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<v Speaker 3>of the final product. And Steve, no photoshopping, Steve, no

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<v Speaker 3>Ai Jen, no consulting AI to have it up, shoot up,

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<v Speaker 3>no bloat.

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<v Speaker 1>Your pictures has got to be a real picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>fly my drone over it, over the mess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now, any are you interview using any Campbell's soup

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<v Speaker 2>products to go along with you?

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is an outrage and outrage another attacker. What

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<v Speaker 3>are they gonna do next? Go after the inventor of

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<v Speaker 3>the McRib This is an outrage. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>any of you saw this, but Campbell's soup a great

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<v Speaker 3>American institution was attacked by a whistleblower lawsuit someone who

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<v Speaker 3>worked at Campbell's assuing his boss, saying that the boss

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<v Speaker 3>said that the food was not fit except for poor

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<v Speaker 3>people and used genetically modified meat for the chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't now.

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<v Speaker 3>I consume massive quantities of campbell soups with my mcribs,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is just another blatant lie by the enemies

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<v Speaker 3>of the republic.

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<v Speaker 4>Ingredient. Sometime, I can't even imagine actually putting something made

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<v Speaker 4>by Campbell's soup into my body. To be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 4>last night, I'll but not campbell soup last night. For years,

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<v Speaker 4>since I was a kid, I've made a beef strogan

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<v Speaker 4>off with you know, usually New York strip but and

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<v Speaker 4>the base of it was always Campbell's mushroom soup. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>I made it last night with entirely clean ingredients from scratch,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was wonderful. You don't need campbell soup. You

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<v Speaker 4>don't need Cambell soup in your green bean kass role. So,

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<v Speaker 4>just just in case anybody had any questions out there,

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<v Speaker 4>it's possible to do all of those things without buying

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<v Speaker 4>a can of poison.

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<v Speaker 2>I have actually been in a Campbell soup factory. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was one John maybe it's still there in Oakland.

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<v Speaker 1>What lucky meat they didn't give me.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't give me.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you had my chicken soup, you'd never eat

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<v Speaker 4>another chicken soup again.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm. Yeah, I make a pretty good chicky.

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<v Speaker 3>Was every house having chicken soup laced with vodka crust,

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<v Speaker 3>I would powerfully die of poison, for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>I never thought of that. Vibe could get crust to

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<v Speaker 4>make a chicken pop pie. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, while we're on the subject of cuisine,

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<v Speaker 2>before we get off of the something maybe more serious.

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<v Speaker 2>I think comment of the week Jon is from I

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<v Speaker 2>forget who was now, but somebody who said, why isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the McRib called the pig mac? Which I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a we should agitate for that. I think the pig mac,

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<v Speaker 2>it should be the pig mac.

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<v Speaker 4>But maybe they could just have a different pig product

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<v Speaker 4>and call it the pig mac because the McRib is

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<v Speaker 4>kind of iconic, you know, so they could maybe make

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<v Speaker 4>a pork well, they could call the the the breakfast sandwich.

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<v Speaker 4>What's is called mc riddled egg McMuffin. That's it. They

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<v Speaker 4>could make the egg McMuffin a pig McMuffin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, it's not bad. The sausage and the egg

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<v Speaker 1>McMuffin is really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I got something to show. Sorry, John, you have

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<v Speaker 2>an itinerary, itinerary, an agenda for us. But but go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and you have something to show if I can

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<v Speaker 2>find it here?

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<v Speaker 1>What did I do?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you're looking. I want to point out to all

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<v Speaker 4>of our listeners that some of us take seriously the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that this is a three whiskey happy hour and

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<v Speaker 4>are actually in the middle of the afternoon when we're

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<v Speaker 4>actually taping this drinking whiskey in the form of an

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<v Speaker 4>Irish whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay, apprecia.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know we're going to talk more about them. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is I'll ascribe it for listeners, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think our livestream viewers.

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<v Speaker 1>Can see this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I talked about I think I mentioned briefly

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<v Speaker 2>in passing in our discussion of the you know a

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<v Speaker 2>few days ago, if Gordon would the declaration all the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of that that in nineteen seventy six you had

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<v Speaker 2>the People's Bicentennial Commission, which is this left wing effort

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<v Speaker 2>to attack the bi centennial.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Declaration.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know back then, Lo and behold, I discovered

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<v Speaker 2>this morning trolling around looking for something that is Senate

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<v Speaker 2>Judiciary Committee, and that's what you see on the screen

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<v Speaker 2>here held hearings. Actually was there subcommittee on Internal Security,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love. It was later abolished under President Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>So this hearings from nineth teen seventy six in March,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've just skimmed through it, but it looks delicious

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a sustained attack by the committee on this

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<v Speaker 2>left wing group, and it talks about all the propaganda

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<v Speaker 2>they're putting out, all the distortions that they're making of

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<v Speaker 2>the Declaration in the American Founding. And the point is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I will write this up and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>more than once, the point is is that almost everything

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<v Speaker 2>that they say in this hearing, this is a Democratic Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Democrats ran the Senate in that year. All the

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<v Speaker 2>things they're saying now are artificial policy of America's public

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<v Speaker 2>schools and the theme of the New York Times sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen project, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>So the point is, at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in nineteen seventy six, even Democrats still have their

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<v Speaker 2>heads on straight about left winging attacks on the founding

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<v Speaker 2>of the country. And now we're going to sit back

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<v Speaker 2>and listen to all the Democrats spout the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>once upon it to Okay, you get the point. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is going to be fun. Maybe after I

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<v Speaker 2>find some excerpts, we can bring it up in the

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<v Speaker 2>future episodes. But that's my discovery of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>So Johnson, since we're now jolly co authors, we should

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<v Speaker 4>actually write a paper on the history of that subcommittee,

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<v Speaker 4>because there's this long, sort of tumultuous back and forth

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<v Speaker 4>between the Executive and the Congress about the kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>about money that was appropriated for the executive branch to

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<v Speaker 4>carry out internal security operations, including about the Pinkertons, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's just crazy how they go back and forth. And

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, sorry, I know that's a topic near and

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<v Speaker 3>Your heart, internal security or committee. But Lucretian I did

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<v Speaker 3>do a piece together that was up on the Civitas

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<v Speaker 3>distinction between conservative and role or leftist brands of populism.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope everybody had a chance to read it,

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<v Speaker 3>Discuss it further if people wish to. But why don't

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<v Speaker 3>just broke this afternoon that the prosecutor, a prosecutor in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 3>long ago, but it was just really a year ago,

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<v Speaker 3>Lucretia's favorite prosecutor, into her into a claim that that

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump and his advisors, including one John Eastman, a

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<v Speaker 3>election and violation of Georgia law. And you might remember

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<v Speaker 3>that it turned out that this special prosecutor, who was

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<v Speaker 3>in the Atlanta area, had had or was having some

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<v Speaker 3>as grounds to try to disqualify the whole investigation. The

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<v Speaker 3>body that oversees prosecutions and reassigned to this prosecutor, who

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<v Speaker 3>issued today the declaration that the case should be dismissed.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave two.

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<v Speaker 3>Reasons, One that reasonable minds could differ over the infamous

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<v Speaker 3>phone call between candidate Trump and Georgia Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 3>Brad Raefisberger that said something along the lines of if

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to find me one hundred and ten thousand votes,

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<v Speaker 3>and then second that President Trump won the election in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty four, is now the president and any prosper

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<v Speaker 3>acution would be unsuccessful. One step in there, I wonder,

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<v Speaker 4>No, I just have a question for you, John. One

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<v Speaker 4>if it's significant. So that guy whose name I cannot remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, the current prosecutor dismiss the case, ended up

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<v Speaker 4>prosecutor to take on the case, and when he couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>buy the deadline, he said, Okay, I'll take it, and

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<v Speaker 4>then decided that was about a week ago. If I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not mistaken, he said, Look, I tried, I asked everybody

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<v Speaker 4>so I'll take it on. And then about a week

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<v Speaker 4>later he decided there was nothing, he was not going

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<v Speaker 3>Which the prosecutor's name is Peter Scandalacus, Yes, with.

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<v Speaker 4>A great name, Scandalacus.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also seems to be, at least in my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>a humiliation for your favorite prosecutor, Lucretia, because she sort

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<v Speaker 3>of staked her whole career on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, it seemed to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's I would think that even though the court,

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<v Speaker 3>the court or the prosecutor has to say anything about this,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems that this personal relationship completely tubed the case.

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<v Speaker 3>It was remarkable if you remember last summer's trial proceedings where,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, President Trump's lawyer said something along the lines of, well,

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<v Speaker 1>And he said something along the line what were you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>And he says, I don't remember what you might have

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<v Speaker 4>Let me just one off kind of topic that we've

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<v Speaker 4>discussed once or twice before. At the risk, at the

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<v Speaker 4>risk of sounding i'll be honest with you racist, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to say this anyway, that there seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>among a very small subset of blacks in public service

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<v Speaker 4>this this attitude of entitlement that and we've just seen

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<v Speaker 4>about four or five different examples of it in the

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<v Speaker 4>last week or so. You know, the congresswoman who accepted

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<v Speaker 4>five million dollars and the stuff going on in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's just this sense and I blame I blame

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<v Speaker 4>Black Lives Matters, who's also the leaders of which are

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<v Speaker 4>also accused of quite a bit of wrongdoing and fraud

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<v Speaker 4>and so forth, that the pendulum swung so far in

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<v Speaker 4>the direction of we're not going to be racist, We're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to look twice at somebody who's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>who's black and and in a position of power, that

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<v Speaker 4>there was a sense of entitlement. You see it in

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<v Speaker 4>Jasmine Crockett all the time. What's the reason that X happened?

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<v Speaker 4>It's racism, you know, And she can just be an

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<v Speaker 4>anything about it's racism. So I actually think that the

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<v Speaker 4>best thing that could happen would be for some of

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<v Speaker 4>these people who carried on in ways that were fraudulent

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<v Speaker 4>or betrayed the public trust really to get the book

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<v Speaker 4>thrown at them, so that the good people out there,

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<v Speaker 4>of any race or color will understand that the laws

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<v Speaker 4>apply equally, and they won't be you know, they won't

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<v Speaker 4>be Fanny Willis thinking she can sleep with her chief prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 4>go on vacation, spend, you know, do all the things

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<v Speaker 4>that she's accused of doing, and still get away with

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<v Speaker 4>it and still be a you know, a public Official's

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<v Speaker 4>that's my takeaway from that. To believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 4>she went after Trump, I get it, and that makes

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<v Speaker 4>it important. But she's one of a kind out there

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<v Speaker 4>that just seems to be popping up everywhere. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>am I going to get us kicked off the the Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, because I don't know whether the rate of

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<v Speaker 3>dumb corrupt politicians is higher among blacks than whites. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there's plenty of dumb white corrupt politicians too great.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you could say which I would, I would say

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<v Speaker 3>about Asian politicians as I would hold people from my

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<v Speaker 3>own culture to a higher standard than dumb white politicians.

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<v Speaker 3>I want them to be better, not worse or the same.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would every ethnic I would, I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think.

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<v Speaker 3>Black voters want the black officials to hold themselves to

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<v Speaker 3>a higher ethical standard than what they see.

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<v Speaker 4>And but I think the opposite has been true.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't know if it's factually true. You have

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, so, first of all, I mean I always

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<v Speaker 2>thought the Willis prosecution, even if you even if you

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<v Speaker 2>knew there wasn't succeed if it kept Donald Trump from

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<v Speaker 2>Wills could reasonably assume that she'd be rewarded by Biden

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<v Speaker 2>or a successor Kambala Harris with a judge ship or something,

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<v Speaker 2>a federal judge ship or some federal job. So I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just being part of a political machine can

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<v Speaker 2>explain why she went about it. Now, Lucretia's point, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we have heard over the years a parallel argument that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when during some of the Black Lives Matter riot,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only riots before that you've heard. Well, actually, Maxine

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<v Speaker 2>Waters in LA in nineteen ninety two, saying this is

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<v Speaker 2>an insurrection against the oppressive regime and be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>any looting, Well, that's just reparations, you know, defact of reparations.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can find that mentality out there. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, Maxine Waters implicated many times in you know

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<v Speaker 2>sweetheart deals for certain kinds of bank treatment for her husband.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget the exact details, but the question you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to ask. I think lucretia is I would want

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<v Speaker 2>to have some. And I'm surprised somebody like Steve Saylor

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't done this, is find some actual statistic so we know.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, John mentions why politicians Lyndon Johnson got a

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<v Speaker 2>How did that happen? Well, the usual kinds of favoritism

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, petty corruption that goes on in politics

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<v Speaker 2>on a wide scale. Is the proportion higher among black politicians?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, you know, I could think

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<v Speaker 2>of all kinds of examples long before Black Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 2>comes along five years ago. Like I just spad a

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<v Speaker 2>long review of a biography of why he goes Charles Diggs,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't he the congressman from Detroit, well regarded for having

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<v Speaker 2>actually being a real legislator. You know, he actually worked

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<v Speaker 2>on passing laws, unlike a lot of grand standing politicians do.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet he ended up going to prisident because he

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<v Speaker 2>was exacting kickbacks from his office staff. Right, he'd spend

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<v Speaker 2>his whole budget on you know, hiring staff and then

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<v Speaker 2>require them all to kick back a portion of their

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<v Speaker 2>salaries to him personally. Right, So you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It does seem that there are among some people who

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<v Speaker 2>were in resentful ideologies who think that the political process

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<v Speaker 2>is something to be exploited. Does that make it worse

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<v Speaker 2>than the mafia?

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<v Speaker 3>Or at least defend myself for a second, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>saying throwing let's throw in hispanics too. Let's listen to

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<v Speaker 3>forget Sener to mean Mendez. Oh my god, yes, let's

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<v Speaker 3>get the Hispanics.

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<v Speaker 4>I am actually not making a fame of numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they violate the Declaration of Independence? Promise that all

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<v Speaker 3>men are created equal and all politicians are equally corrupt

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<v Speaker 3>without regard to their that I would.

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<v Speaker 4>Be very willing to say, but it does all I'm

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<v Speaker 4>saying is since the Black Liudge Matters movement, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>looking past away because you can find corruption now and

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<v Speaker 4>everywhere in the past. What I'm saying is in the

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<v Speaker 4>last call it six months, Lisa Cook, Fanny Willis, Letitia James,

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<v Speaker 4>the again the Black Lives Matters, a woman who I

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<v Speaker 4>can't be bothered to remember her name, the congresswoman who

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<v Speaker 4>took you know, got five million dollars instead of fifty

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<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars and and spent and hit it all. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know there's there's actually but they've all been recent,

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<v Speaker 4>like in the last few months. Is it because Trump is?

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<v Speaker 4>This is why I was thinking about it. There was

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<v Speaker 4>an article about how Trump is going after black women,

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<v Speaker 4>but every single one of the black women that this

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<v Speaker 4>you know, sympathetic to them article pulled up was actually,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, pretty much clearly guilty, just like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Letitia James seems to be because I know we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to get to her, clearly guilty of committing mortgage fraud.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet it's all being they're they're hoping that the entire

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<v Speaker 4>thing can be overlooked and that all the case is

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately dismissed by the left. Because you can't go after

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<v Speaker 4>women like that. You can't go after people who are

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<v Speaker 4>persecuted by Donald Trump, you know, And so that that

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<v Speaker 4>was my point. I'm really not accusing blacks or black

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<v Speaker 4>women or anybody else of being more corrupt simply speaking

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<v Speaker 4>than anybody else. Like you say, John, we should hold

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<v Speaker 4>them all to a higher standard, not just your Asian buddies.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a comment about some genetic makeup. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>comment about the environment that has allowed a certain licentiousness

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<v Speaker 4>to happen among certain politicians who think that they will

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<v Speaker 4>not be held to account. Right, that's what and that

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<v Speaker 4>includes Menendez. Of course he never think the argument anybody

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<v Speaker 4>get in the argument you could make is that.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the way the Voting Rights Act has been

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<v Speaker 3>have a situation where several many of these congressmen and

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<v Speaker 3>are not in competitive districts, and they seem to have

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<v Speaker 3>their seats for decades, and then they abuse their power

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<v Speaker 3>because they don't have to run competitive elections. And maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to end after the Supreme Court term in

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<v Speaker 3>the Calilite case, when the Court starts to say you

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<v Speaker 3>can't use racial trying to districts. Maybe that's really I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's going rather than anything about race per se.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, go ahead, Steve so got to say, there actually

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty good data that shows that one party rule

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, safe seats like you put in John,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't have a statistically higher rate of corruption. Precisely

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<v Speaker 2>for the way you put it, it doesn't matter where

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago or wats or wherever, right, and that.

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<v Speaker 3>The Voting Rights Act has been used by both parties

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<v Speaker 3>to try to create a lot of safe seats for

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<v Speaker 3>black politicians. It could have been white politicians who are

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<v Speaker 3>at the advantage of the v r A two and

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<v Speaker 3>that would have had the same effect.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the misuse of civil rights law that produces this.

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<v Speaker 4>It sometimes does actually white politicians, because in order to

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<v Speaker 4>draw safe black seats, you end up drawing safe white

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<v Speaker 4>seats and whatever whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what I thought you were going to say, Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 3>was that this case shows the final failure of the

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<v Speaker 3>law fair campaign against President Trump, because I believe this

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<v Speaker 3>is the latter, this was the last ongoing case against

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump. All it just shows their complete failure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to say.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking about the New York case is not really over.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the New York case was ended by the judge.

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<v Speaker 3>There's still I think there was still this lingering question

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<v Speaker 3>whether it could be restarted after he left office.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're talking about the prosecution by Alvin Bragg.

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<v Speaker 4>The felonies.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye, yeah, it has been was dismissed.

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<v Speaker 3>The civil cases are still going on, the defamation cases

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<v Speaker 3>and the civil judgments.

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<v Speaker 1>There's still the case about the.

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<v Speaker 3>Alleged mortgage civil mortgage fraud that Leticia James brought that's

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<v Speaker 3>still going on at the damages stage on appeal.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not over.

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<v Speaker 3>But the appeals Court made it seem quite strongly that

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<v Speaker 3>they are going to reduce, if not reverse the damages

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<v Speaker 3>award entirely. But the one point is going to make

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<v Speaker 3>was that this really showed that these criminal cases were

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<v Speaker 3>deeply flawed and everybody knew it at the time. And still,

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<v Speaker 3>as Steve was saying, they were used to try to

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<v Speaker 3>drive Trump out of the election, try to drive them out.

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<v Speaker 3>And so now people are complaining about Trump's use of

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution to strike back at these people. I agree several

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<v Speaker 3>of these cases have a lot of problems. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about a second. But again, how do you

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<v Speaker 3>get lawfare to stop if you're not willing to retaliate

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<v Speaker 3>against its originators?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>The Republicans did not start this, The Democrats started in

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<v Speaker 3>cases what exactly like this case, like Fanny Willis's case,

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<v Speaker 3>And so how do you get them to stop the

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<v Speaker 3>next Fanny Willis could come along? What are we going

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<v Speaker 3>to do to stop her from ever bringing a case like.

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<v Speaker 4>If the next Fanny Willis came along and didn't didn't

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<v Speaker 4>commit all of those you know, outside ethical problems, how

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<v Speaker 4>would this turned out? That's I mean, based on the

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<v Speaker 4>way you described the judge's ruling, it seems as if

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<v Speaker 4>just based on the facts, the facts themselves are somewhat ambiguous,

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<v Speaker 4>shall we say, But still, what if it had been

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<v Speaker 4>a really good, solid prosecutor who didn't fool around and

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<v Speaker 4>didn't do any of those other things, didn't make comments

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<v Speaker 4>about I'm going to get Trump no matter, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>all of those things. And like the way that presumably

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<v Speaker 4>the Justice Department is having to go after Trump's enemies,

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<v Speaker 4>they're having to be a little bit less open about

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<v Speaker 4>how much they're going after Trump's enemies, I would think

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<v Speaker 4>because anyway that's my question. Do you think it would

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<v Speaker 4>have gone forward or is his explanation controlling here about

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<v Speaker 4>why he didn't push it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, ultimately, I thought that the case should have

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<v Speaker 3>been preempted because it's an obvious effort to interfere with

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<v Speaker 3>a federal election. But they never got to that stage

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<v Speaker 3>because of the disqualification.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Fenny Well.

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<v Speaker 3>There as a series of other issues that would have

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<v Speaker 3>come up, and one of them would have been, can

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<v Speaker 3>you use state prosecution basically try to affect a federal

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<v Speaker 3>election with the outcome of the federal election?

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<v Speaker 4>Remember how many of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Biggership it would just din't get to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, I'm just going to say. I was thinking

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<v Speaker 4>about Colorado and how many attempts there were at the

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<v Speaker 4>state level, and we did get a ruling from the

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<v Speaker 4>Supreme Court overturning the Colorado case, which might have been

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<v Speaker 4>somewhat applicable to sign a.

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<v Speaker 1>Sign of what the Supreme Court might have defended in

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<v Speaker 1>this case.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So, Steve, did you want to make a.

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<v Speaker 3>Still thinking about the popovers you're going to stuff into

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<v Speaker 3>your god for saken Turkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Presidents. I had to put up with you cretins and

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<v Speaker 2>Philistines about everything donut.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's turn to Steve. I mean for your thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>on the other prosecution and indictments that were dismissed, which

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<v Speaker 3>was we just had news of the Komy prosecution and

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution of lets James being dismissed. In this case,

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<v Speaker 3>the court never reached them bar Remember Jim Comy is

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<v Speaker 3>being prosecuted for lying to Congress about whether he authorized

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<v Speaker 3>the leak of the whole investigation into Hillary Clinton. This

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<v Speaker 3>said involves back obviously in the twenty sixteen election. The

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<v Speaker 3>same prosecutor also brought the mortgage fraud my mortgage fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>Case against Letitia James.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason they're connected is that's the same US attorney,

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsay Halligan, who was one of President Trump's personal attorneys,

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<v Speaker 3>was appointed to be the US attorney, that's the top

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<v Speaker 3>federal prosecutor in eastern Virginia to bring these cases, which

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<v Speaker 3>she did. She went to the grand jury, got them

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<v Speaker 3>only after the previous US attorney who have been appointed

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<v Speaker 3>by Trump had refused.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this statue. I'm sorry if it's complicated, because

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<v Speaker 1>it is complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>But the statute says that someone can be put into

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<v Speaker 3>the job temporarily for one hundred and twenty days, and

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<v Speaker 3>then after that time lapses, the district court.

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<v Speaker 1>Just gets to appoint the US attorney.

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<v Speaker 3>So the person Halligan replaced went through that process, had

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<v Speaker 3>been temporarily appointed, did the hundred twenty days appointed? And

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<v Speaker 3>so so the question really was could Halligan be appointed

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<v Speaker 3>for a new one hundred and twenty days? And the

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<v Speaker 3>court here said no, you can't, and so anything. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the thing is that this isn't, weirdly a creative problem

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<v Speaker 3>of Halligan's creation, because she chose herself to bring the charges.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the one who signed the indictment. There's no other

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutors who sign the dictment. So her legality, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whether rises or falls, the prosecution follows. And then second,

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<v Speaker 3>she did it on I think the day before the

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<v Speaker 3>statute of limitations had run on Comey's conduct, which means

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<v Speaker 3>that you're gambling if her, if there was some flaw

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<v Speaker 3>in what she did, he might get off completely, because

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<v Speaker 3>now recharging him at this point might be outside the

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<v Speaker 3>statute of limitations. Steve, let me ask you, does this

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<v Speaker 3>sound like the adults are running are in the room here?

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<v Speaker 3>This sounds like some kind of Keystone Coppish running of

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutions against some pretty serious major figures. And does this

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<v Speaker 3>harm Donald Trump by seeing these two efforts to get

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<v Speaker 3>two of his pursuers.

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<v Speaker 1>Fail this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see, now I get to use the line lucretia

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<v Speaker 2>usually uses, John John, you're reading too much from the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post and National Review, which I did a National

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<v Speaker 2>Review in an article saying, you know, the gang couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>indict straight our pal Anie McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Andy, but you know he's too conventional for

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<v Speaker 2>my take, wrong on everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, I won't say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's leave that as well. Now, now let's stay on

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<v Speaker 2>point here. I shouldn't have said that I knew. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that was lucretie of bait. Look, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be better if they had gotten her properly confirmed.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like this is a technicality. Really that doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to show you one more thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I'll explain to listeners. I think the broader story here

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<v Speaker 2>is democratic obstructionism is succeeding, and that is why this

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<v Speaker 2>has happened. So here's a chart that'll describe it for listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a chart of confirmation delays going back to

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan for the first two hundred days. We're beyond twohundred

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<v Speaker 2>days now. But the point is is that, uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>obstruction of a prompt executive branch nomination executive branch nominations, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you see a few delays from Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>through Obama and Trump one it starts to take off.

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<v Speaker 2>The Republicans did it some to Biden, but Trump too.

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats are blocking and slowing down everything as much as

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<v Speaker 2>they possibly can, and that means confirmations.

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<v Speaker 1>For all kinds of jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet the Justice Department is high on that list,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way. You know, on the Ricochet podcast a

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<v Speaker 2>week ago, we had Harme Dilon on who said two

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<v Speaker 2>thirds of the career lawyers and the Civil Rights Division

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<v Speaker 2>have quit. I say, congratulations, When are you gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>the other third to quit? But then she said, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're shorthanded throughout the entire Justice Department, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the story that's not being reported.

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<v Speaker 4>People. Sorry, Steve, Do all those people have to be

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<v Speaker 4>confirmed at the lower levels that she's talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so, well, not the career people. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's true, ye defin, but you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the the schedule see appointees, which you know, John,

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<v Speaker 2>you were right, and when you're a legal counsel, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all Senate confirmation and you need those people too

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't just hire lawyers off the street and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth. Anyway, So anyway, I think that is the

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<v Speaker 2>subtext here is that this is all part of a

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<v Speaker 2>plan of Democrats that is joined considerable success. And the

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<v Speaker 2>way the meeting he's going to report it as well, Gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't think do things right. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned a key point, John, I think, which is there's

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<v Speaker 2>a statute of limitations running on these things, so they

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<v Speaker 2>need to get these cases filed. And so that's another

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<v Speaker 2>reason why maybe you cut corners if you think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening.

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<v Speaker 4>So plus the I mean Trump made a mistake. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>accuse him of Keystone coppery with the appointing of the

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<v Speaker 4>Eric guy to begin with, because that guy is just

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<v Speaker 4>you know, deep in the swamp. And it turns out

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to forget what it is, but it's like

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<v Speaker 4>his father in law is or mother whoever it was,

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<v Speaker 4>he's related to the judge that decided that the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 4>was not duly appointed. I have a deeper question for you.

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<v Speaker 4>It goes back to something we keep talking about, John.

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<v Speaker 4>How is it that it's not a violation of the

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<v Speaker 4>separation of powers to have a statute whereby the judge's

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<v Speaker 4>name the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you would think it was, But there's this. It

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<v Speaker 3>is in the appointments clause. Strangely really, Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 3>go look, if you look at an article two, look

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<v Speaker 3>at the appointment's clause. It allows for the appointment of

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<v Speaker 3>inferior The listeners can't see this, but Steve and are

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<v Speaker 3>early looking for their costal test.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's not that I don't believe you. I just

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to see exactly how said he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was shuffling with various popover recipes and can't find his

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<v Speaker 3>But it says it's an article too, and I'm and listeners,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just quoting from memory.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the most impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>But I believe it says that inferior officers can be

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<v Speaker 3>appointed by the heads of departments, by the President, heads

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<v Speaker 3>of departments, or by the courts, as.

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<v Speaker 1>Directed by law. And this came up.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason I remember this is because it came

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<v Speaker 3>up in Morrison versus Olsen, because recall that the Special

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<v Speaker 3>Council of the Old Days who prosecuted ted Olsen and

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<v Speaker 3>who investigated reg and investigative Bush, was appointed by a

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<v Speaker 3>special court, and the Supreme Court upheld that in Morrison

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<v Speaker 3>versus Olsen. So it's a weird. Otherwise, you're quite right, Lucreti.

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<v Speaker 3>Your instinct was, or how can the courts be involved

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<v Speaker 3>at all with appointing a prosecutor?

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<v Speaker 1>Seems wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>But actually the Constitution would allow Congress to vest the

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<v Speaker 3>appointment of lots of inferior officers into the courts, which

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<v Speaker 3>actually the nice thing I always say about this, It

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<v Speaker 3>really shows how the Framers did not expect there to

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<v Speaker 3>be large federal bureaucracies.

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<v Speaker 4>Because is that an element Let me put you on

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<v Speaker 4>the spot, John, can you give me a check and

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<v Speaker 4>balance element to why they would have done that? In

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<v Speaker 4>other words, you know, thinking about why would they do that?

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<v Speaker 4>But Hamilton says that this is a changerous branch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean this is discussed just a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>in this Morrison versus also in case which I think

671
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<v Speaker 3>was generally wrong because it upheld the DC Circuit appointing

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<v Speaker 3>the special prosecutor but I think the idea was with

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<v Speaker 3>the transportation and communications back then being so slow that

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<v Speaker 3>you would need to have the federal prosecutor appointed, and

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<v Speaker 3>suppose someone died or resigned, you couldn't have like a

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<v Speaker 3>month while the news went to Washington and then the

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<v Speaker 3>president reappointed and then another month back. So it was

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<v Speaker 3>a provision to allow the district courts to keep the

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<v Speaker 3>criminal justice system at work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the I think that's the reason.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes sense, but I don't think it takes

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<v Speaker 3>away from your basic point, Lucretia, was that the problem

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<v Speaker 3>was all the appointment of the predecessor to Halligan, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was a big mess. And then this guy Siebert

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<v Speaker 3>is his name, refused to indict who the President ordered

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<v Speaker 3>him to.

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<v Speaker 1>Indict, and he was removed from office.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if Halligan was the best choice. She

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<v Speaker 3>She's never done criminal law, never done indictment, never done

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<v Speaker 3>a criminal trial. As far as I I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think the last time I heard he of her was

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<v Speaker 3>when she screwed up the search of mar A Lago

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<v Speaker 3>and was the personal Trump's personal lawyer on the scene

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<v Speaker 3>for that. So it's not a distinguished career. And I

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<v Speaker 3>do think It's an example of incompetence by the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>Justice Department to have had this time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's embarrassing. Well, let me just let me all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of other problems.

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<v Speaker 3>Even beyond this, Remember, I mean there you could go on.

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<v Speaker 3>There's apparently the grand jury didn't sign the final docum,

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<v Speaker 3>the grand jury didn't actually see the final indictment, which

702
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<v Speaker 3>is also what it could result in being thrown now

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<v Speaker 3>and then. I don't think you can win the case

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<v Speaker 3>against Komy. It's just too hard. You're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>indict people where you can't. You don't, you don't believe

706
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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna win the case.

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<v Speaker 4>But all I'll say in Trump's defense for just a moment,

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<v Speaker 4>is that he the first term, he surrounded himself with

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<v Speaker 4>very well respected establishment types who knew the ropes and

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<v Speaker 4>did all of those things, and they turned out to

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<v Speaker 4>be massively disloyal to him. And I guess, if you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not really making excuses so much as maybe just

713
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<v Speaker 4>an explanation. If I'm Trump, maybe I'd just rather put

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<v Speaker 4>people in the office that I know are going to

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<v Speaker 4>be loyal to me, rather than that are you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the as you put it, I would hire Miguel Estrata

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<v Speaker 4>or Abby Lowell to be my attorney because but but

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<v Speaker 4>if you're Trump, maybe you just want people who will

719
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<v Speaker 4>who will be loyal And I'm just throwing it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Well, I think, well, it's not it's not so

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<v Speaker 2>much like Steve well It. Loyalty is one thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's important. I mean, you know, Nixon said that was

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<v Speaker 2>his big mistake in the point loyalists. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's another reason, which is the people Lucretian mentions were

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<v Speaker 2>in the first term were very conventional Republican, and so

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<v Speaker 2>many the people he appointed where people you'd expect any

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<v Speaker 2>Republican presidency. So I'm thinking when Churchill became Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, May nineteen forty, he was pretty disgusted

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<v Speaker 2>with the government establishment that had been sluggish about prosecuting

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<v Speaker 2>the war that had been going on for what eight

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<v Speaker 2>months to no effect, and then plus getting him to

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<v Speaker 2>that point, and you know, building supplies very slowly, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he said he put on a memo saying, I

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<v Speaker 2>want unconventional people appointed as senior positions, people who would

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<v Speaker 2>normally not be part of the British establishment. I want

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<v Speaker 2>odd balls. And he got some odd balls too. They

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<v Speaker 2>weren't all successful appointees. But the point is if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to shake if you really want to shake things up,

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<v Speaker 2>which Trump clearly wants to do more so than ever,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't use the conventional people. You're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to appoint a lot. That's why you have hag Seth

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<v Speaker 2>at the Defense Department instead of the people he had

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<v Speaker 2>the first term, exapt Kennedy instead of what Price and

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<v Speaker 2>and alex As are at HHS. So you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing that model, and I think that makes some sense

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<v Speaker 2>as a general matter, even though in our government it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to lead to a lot of i'll say disasters,

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<v Speaker 2>like we see this not a disaster, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassing and it is a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it's I think you're of course, the president

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<v Speaker 3>has the right to appoint loyalists, but at some point

752
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<v Speaker 3>loyalty bumps up against what can be done, like we'll

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<v Speaker 3>connect and when a prosecutor tells Trump, look, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>indict them, we can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Win the case. Yes, but it's not just I would

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<v Speaker 1>think it would go on with.

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<v Speaker 3>Science or mediciner engineering. They're just the presidence, of course

758
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<v Speaker 3>wants some political outcome, but some of them are not possible. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you met John officials Deember.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to lose the case. You cannot win a prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hold on a minute, John, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the cynical bare knuckle Paul here and say that

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<v Speaker 2>may be true, uh is considered in the abstract. On

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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, what's the old saying about how the

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<v Speaker 2>process is the punishment? And if you're an advocate of

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<v Speaker 2>game theory, as you are in these matters, then you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna want to die anyway because you want him have

768
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<v Speaker 2>to spend a million dollars on legal feasts to get

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<v Speaker 2>back at him for his bad behavior, which is.

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<v Speaker 4>Why the judge's decision was such a victory for him,

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<v Speaker 4>because he didn't have to do any of that by

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<v Speaker 4>dismissing the case. One last question, because I know you

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<v Speaker 4>want to move on, but I do want to ask

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<v Speaker 4>my resident expert. I listened to Jonathan Turley on this

775
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<v Speaker 4>subject and really was probably more confused after it than

776
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<v Speaker 4>I was before.

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<v Speaker 3>So this makes you the average response.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I only.

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<v Speaker 4>Listened to Jonathan truly when I don't have access direct

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<v Speaker 4>access to you, John Sue. But his argument was this

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't mean the end of the case. But he didn't provide,

782
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<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, the really solid explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a maybe I didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, he should have mentioned there's a

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<v Speaker 3>statute which says that if you if indictment is dismissed

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<v Speaker 3>essentially for procedural faults, not because of the substance of

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<v Speaker 3>the charges for proceding regions, that the test Department I

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<v Speaker 3>think has sixty days or maybe it's six months. I

789
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<v Speaker 3>think it's six months to seek a new indictment, even

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<v Speaker 3>if the statute of limitations would have otherwise run. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's a statute that Congress has passed to take care

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<v Speaker 3>of examples exactly like this.

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<v Speaker 1>So they can reindict.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to go back to a grand jury, get

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<v Speaker 3>a grand jury to agree, but it's still going to

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<v Speaker 3>be tough to get any prosecutor to do it. And

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<v Speaker 3>just having looked at it closely, I don't think the case.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think the department can win, and so they

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<v Speaker 3>normally as a matter of policy, wouldn't bring the case.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we go back to you can beat the

801
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<v Speaker 4>rap that you can't beat the ride, right, Steve, Yeah,

802
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<v Speaker 4>something like that. Yeah, So I have one quick question.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not on the agenda, but it came up since

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<v Speaker 4>and I have to ask about it. Really is, It's

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<v Speaker 4>all along the same line. So another judge, yet another judge.

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<v Speaker 4>At the local level. In Minneapolis, a jury unanimously convicted

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<v Speaker 4>a Somali man of stealing seven point two million dollars

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<v Speaker 4>worth of taxpayer money. The jury deliberated, et cetera, and

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<v Speaker 4>the judge overturned their verdict.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, yeah, and almost impossible.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what that's that's what I thought. She said something

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<v Speaker 4>I was looking for. Sorry, I was looking forward. I

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<v Speaker 4>won't waste any more time with it, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to hear that because jurors are furious.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So a judge is only that I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>this case.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard about your broader issue of fraud, fraud in

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<v Speaker 3>the Somali immigrant community of welfare programs that are taking

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<v Speaker 3>place in Minnesota, and I imagine I assumed that Department

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<v Speaker 3>of Justice and h is launching investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>But a judge is.

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<v Speaker 3>Only allowed to override the verdict of a jury if

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<v Speaker 3>the judge finds that no reasonable juror could have concluded

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<v Speaker 3>guilt based on all the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't even I can't remember recently ever

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<v Speaker 3>reading of a judge reaching out to find because it means,

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<v Speaker 3>like the finding is every single juror had to be

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<v Speaker 3>irration totally irrational to find that this person was guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>It is very, very It happens a lot more on

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<v Speaker 3>TV in the movies than ever in real life. Now

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<v Speaker 3>you see more often judges changing, you know, giving narrow

833
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<v Speaker 3>sentences things like that if they really disagreed with the

834
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<v Speaker 3>jury's verdict, but to actually override the verdict is almost

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<v Speaker 3>unheard of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, we'll figure out more about that and report

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<v Speaker 3>back on the next episode where don't want to tax

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<v Speaker 3>our listeners too much. On Thanksgiving Day, I hope all

840
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<v Speaker 3>of you have been listening to this while you've been

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<v Speaker 3>cooking your turkey, which means that if you're following Steve's example,

842
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<v Speaker 3>you've got another four or five hours ahead of you,

843
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<v Speaker 3>so you're listening to other podcasts. But if you're finding

844
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<v Speaker 3>the Lucretia example, you're probably just about finished. And so

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<v Speaker 3>let's go to our final Thanksgiving question, which is, uh, Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have to be thankful for?

847
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 3>Well?

848
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<v Speaker 2>I have two things I'm thankful for. First of all, John,

849
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I am thankful for the Clean Air Act because.

850
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:21.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, oh my god, you have ruined Thanksgiving.

851
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>America has been ruined.

852
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is why. This is why I am thankful for.

853
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.679
<v Speaker 2>It gives me an easy way to annoy you unfailingly

854
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.119
<v Speaker 2>every time works every time. And we do have a

855
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.199
<v Speaker 2>couple of listeners who every week say they want more

856
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Cleaner Act content.

857
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:38.400
<v Speaker 1>So now I am obliged.

858
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 4>But he doesn't understand sarcasm.

859
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 3>We now know, because of the the Twitter locational feature

860
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 3>that both of these people who ask for this information

861
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 3>are from Russia but run Indonesia.

862
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, I am too. The serious thing. This is

863
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a serious point that we don't need to spend time

864
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.800
<v Speaker 2>getting into. But I am thankful that the United States

865
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<v Speaker 2>still has trial by jury. I've just been reading the

866
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.039
<v Speaker 2>news the last few days that Britain wants to get

867
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 2>rid of trial by jury for a clubs of the

868
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 2>lower level of crimes. They say, but you can see

869
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>where this is going, and you know, jury's get things

870
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>wrong in this country, especially a DC jury is going

871
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:18.559
<v Speaker 2>to rule against the Republican and rule in favor of

872
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:19.559
<v Speaker 2>a Democrat. Every time.

873
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 1>It seems like.

874
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's not a bad thing that prosecutors

875
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>have to say, you know, well the jury by this

876
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 2>or that argument. It is I've kind of forgotten now

877
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.679
<v Speaker 2>about you know, how juris arose but doesn't go back

878
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 2>seven eight hundred years and more, John to check, you're

879
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.559
<v Speaker 2>right to you know, it's against the arbitrary power of

880
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the nobles.

881
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>In the crown.

882
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>It was, you know, one of the long chain of

883
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>things that lead us to democracy. And so when you

884
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 2>have things like the International Criminal Court that has no

885
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>trial by jury, or lots of these international bodies, to

886
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.400
<v Speaker 2>hear that Britain is thinking of getting rid of jury

887
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>trials for any class of crime as anything, a very

888
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 2>bad sign of many bad signs coming out of England.

889
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And thank goodness that we are not following that bad idea.

890
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 4>And thank goodness that we decided not to continue to

891
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 4>do that in seventeen seventy six.

892
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, well it was one of the bill and

893
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Speaker 2>it was one of the bill of particulars against the

894
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 2>King in the enumeration. The declaration was denying us to

895
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 2>mine a trial by jury. It's obviously very important to uh,

896
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.519
<v Speaker 2>the you know that was in that document that that

897
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 2>particular right was enshrined and included.

898
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.599
<v Speaker 3>So so for the listeners like me who still wonder

899
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.920
<v Speaker 3>how Steeves's brain works. The two things he's thankful for

900
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 3>are trial by jury and the Clean Air Act. Explained

901
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 3>to me how those two things in one brain at

902
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 3>the same time. Macritia, what are you thankful for this?

903
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna be serious for a moment, to try not

904
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 4>to choke or anything. I you know, I'm Catholic. I

905
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 4>have a wonderful senior pastor at my parish who gives

906
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 4>an a case this homily occasionally about how if you

907
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 4>live where I live in Coaches County, he said, you

908
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.000
<v Speaker 4>have so much to be thankful for. And the way

909
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.400
<v Speaker 4>he would describe it in the Humley as he would say,

910
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.639
<v Speaker 4>imagine that you put every person in the world and

911
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.400
<v Speaker 4>all the blessings that they enjoyed in a big, long line.

912
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Speaker 4>If you are from America, you are in the top

913
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:22.440
<v Speaker 4>quarter of a percentile of the whole world in terms

914
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.239
<v Speaker 4>of blessings material and otherwise. You know the fact that

915
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 4>you have freedom of religion. I for one, I'm not

916
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.280
<v Speaker 4>really happy with my pope these days. I haven't been

917
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:33.840
<v Speaker 4>for some time. But you know what, I haven't been

918
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:38.239
<v Speaker 4>killed once for being Catholic, nor have I seen any

919
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, in my classrooms where kids are kidnapped. So

920
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 4>freedom of religion is an amazing thing and we still

921
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.239
<v Speaker 4>have it in the United States. I'm thankful for that.

922
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:47.760
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just.

923
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm thankful for all the blessings that we as Americans enjoy,

924
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 4>and I'm very fortunate. I'm thankful for my family. I'm

925
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:59.360
<v Speaker 4>thankful I'm not a Muslim because I sure love my dog,

926
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 4>So you don't.

927
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<v Speaker 3>Know, that's all.

928
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:14.679
<v Speaker 4>I don't eat my dog. No dogs are considered how

929
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 4>do you say it, harum something awful. And so this

930
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 4>has been all over social media lately, all of these ugly,

931
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.760
<v Speaker 4>stupid barbarian and mom saying you need to get rid

932
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.920
<v Speaker 4>of your dog, you need to beat your wife to death,

933
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 4>you know that sort of thing. Anyway, So I'm thankful

934
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.039
<v Speaker 4>that I'm not a Muslim because I love Kaiser and

935
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.199
<v Speaker 4>my cat too. Sorry, John, I'm just And I'm thankful

936
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 4>for the three whiskey Happy Hour because I look forward

937
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.639
<v Speaker 4>to it and seeing you guys every week. So there

938
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 4>you have it, and I'm thankful that I'm a better

939
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:48.800
<v Speaker 4>cook than Steve.

940
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 3>The Lucretia household is no doubt thankful for that as

941
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 3>a family, and we send our thoughts and good wishes

942
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 3>out to Alison Hayward, who has.

943
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.440
<v Speaker 1>To eat this god awful meal that Steve has it.

944
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't pop over its stuffing in flying turkeys rotating.

945
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>God knows what else is going on there. So I thought.

946
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 3>That I would for Thanksgiving read a small part of

947
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 3>President Washington's oh First Thanksgiving Proclamation of seventeen eighty nine,

948
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:33.360
<v Speaker 3>and he said that we should join together in our

949
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:38.360
<v Speaker 3>and to let's see, we should unite in giving thanks

950
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.119
<v Speaker 3>to God for his care and kind care and protection

951
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 3>of the people of this country previous to their becoming

952
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.760
<v Speaker 3>a nation, for this signal and manifold mercies, and the

953
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:53.840
<v Speaker 3>favorable interpositions of His providence, which primes has really just

954
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.480
<v Speaker 3>cost benefit analysis, which we experienced in the course and

955
00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.519
<v Speaker 3>conclusion of the late War, for the great degree of tranquility, union,

956
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.159
<v Speaker 3>and plenty which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable

957
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:09.400
<v Speaker 3>and rational, rational manner in which we have been enabled

958
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:14.519
<v Speaker 3>to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness,

959
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:19.000
<v Speaker 3>and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the

960
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.239
<v Speaker 3>civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and

961
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 3>the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge,

962
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and in general, for all the great and various favors

963
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 3>which he have been pleased to confer upon us.

964
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Amen, not bad.

965
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm not bad for a guy who didn't write all

966
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:36.679
<v Speaker 3>that much.

967
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 4>So I do have a few. I hate to change

968
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 4>the mood because that was very nice. A few Babylon

969
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.480
<v Speaker 4>bees though, that are just absolutely perfect.

970
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 2>One.

971
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.599
<v Speaker 4>Back to an earlier topic, This one's for you John

972
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.039
<v Speaker 4>Trump's strategy of hiring lawyers based on bus sides not

973
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 4>working as well as anticipated.

974
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going to say that about what's your name,

975
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>but yes.

976
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.639
<v Speaker 4>Hmm, sorry, family holding it. This one's for you, Steve,

977
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.760
<v Speaker 4>family holding out hope. This will finally be Thanksgiving where

978
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 4>turkey explodes in epic fireball. By the way, we didn't

979
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 4>even mention. I got a good laugh out of it,

980
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 4>the whole joke that Trump made about he wasn't sure

981
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 4>that the the Biden's turkeys were truly pardoned because of

982
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 4>the autopan right. Yeah, however that went. That was so great.

983
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 4>Heaven confirms people who prefer ham at Thanksgiving will not

984
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 4>enter the kingdom.

985
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes, you know, I do like a good Virginia hand,

986
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:45.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah too.

987
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 4>But Virginia ham, the salty one, Yeah, oh so good.

988
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.559
<v Speaker 4>And then as I go off to my kitchen to

989
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.639
<v Speaker 4>make my pumpkin pike, et cetera, and my my from

990
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:01.119
<v Speaker 4>scratch cranberry sauce, Mom continues long stay tradition of making

991
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 4>cranberry sauce.

992
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 2>For no one.

993
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.239
<v Speaker 1>That's true. I don't like to stop gap.

994
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh I love cranberry sauce, so only the kind of

995
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.239
<v Speaker 3>comes out of the can into that weird cylindrical shape.

996
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 4>I'll send you the meme I have on that one. John,

997
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:19.039
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty good.

998
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:19.519
<v Speaker 2>All right.

999
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:23.880
<v Speaker 4>Listen everyone, I hope you have an absolutely lovely before

1000
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.960
<v Speaker 4>he gets to it, lovely blessed Thanksgiving and that you're

1001
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.119
<v Speaker 4>grateful for all of the wonderful things that you have,

1002
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.119
<v Speaker 4>and we hope to see you maybe even this weekend.

1003
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, Well, always drink your whiskey meat, buy more books,

1004
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:45.079
<v Speaker 3>and Steve, what latest AI concoction do you have for us?

1005
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I asked chat GPT to do a episode fitting with

1006
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 2>today's themes about how the podcast would treat cooking Thanksgiving. Dinner.

1007
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll just give you the opening banter quite long, actually

1008
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:59.280
<v Speaker 2>the opening banner. Host one, Look, cooking a turkey.

1009
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Is not complicated. People act like it's a geopolitical crisis.

1010
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 2>It's a bird, not a treaty negotiation. Host two, Well,

1011
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 2>some people manage to turn it into a crisis, mostly

1012
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 2>by refusing to use a thermometer, which is culinary malpractice

1013
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 2>and should be prosecuted accordingly.

1014
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Post three.

1015
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 2>I would just like to note before we begin that

1016
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.000
<v Speaker 2>all this goes more smoothly if you pour yourself a

1017
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 2>whiskey and listeners can decide which host studio should be

1018
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.800
<v Speaker 2>assigned to which person because Chap GPT didn't do it

1019
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 2>for us, but I can.

1020
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I have my suggestions.

1021
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 2>So that's it for this episode. We'll be back over

1022
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.559
<v Speaker 2>the weekend. I think listeners with a regular episode all

1023
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.920
<v Speaker 2>the other podcasts on Ricochet, and that's where they take

1024
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:41.159
<v Speaker 2>this holiday weekend off, So we want to make sure

1025
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:44.639
<v Speaker 2>you are not without your current podcast fair So we'll.

1026
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 4>Be back this moaning when out both us it.

1027
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm grateful for my tones great book Cality here I'm

1028
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Speaker 1>reading and out of my nose this morning when I

1029
00:55:56.519 --> 00:56:00.559
<v Speaker 1>set up said I'm grateful for my back, for full

1030
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.679
<v Speaker 1>and another nine without a heart attack. Was grateful for

1031
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>my baby lying next to me, for the speaceful minning.

1032
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Nowhere else to be.

1033
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 1>So grateful for the sausage.

1034
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm grateful for the stone, for the coffee, for the cup.

1035
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.679
<v Speaker 4>The slimmers and the road by the

1036
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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet joined the conversation.