Speaker 1: Joining us now is Eric Peter's always loved talking to Eric.
Speaker 1: We share a love of cars and a love of liberty,
Speaker 1: and that covers a wide range topics. Eric peters dot
Speaker 1: com is where you'll find a lot of very interesting
Speaker 1: articles about cars. And I'm interested, very interested in a
Speaker 1: couple of things that you've got here, the anodyne exotic.
Speaker 1: I want to get into that. But before I do,
Speaker 1: what does breaking on your mind? Because I picked up
Speaker 1: some of the articles, it's been I guess three or
Speaker 1: four weeks since we've talked, and so there's a wealth
Speaker 1: of things that have happened in the automotive industry. But
Speaker 1: what is at the forefront of your mind right now?
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: I've been ruminating. I've been ruminating lately a lot about
Speaker 2: making do with again the things that we used to
Speaker 2: make do with. You know, if you're a Gen X
Speaker 2: person or older, you'll remember a time when it was
Speaker 2: feasible for even a high school kid to buy a
Speaker 2: car using their own money than having their parents buy
Speaker 2: a car for them. Because there was a time when
Speaker 2: you could still buy basic new cars, which made them affordable.
Speaker 2: You could buy a car with or without things like
Speaker 2: air conditioning, power windows, locks, automatic transmissions, and I'm by
Speaker 2: no means disparaging any of that. Those things are all
Speaker 2: very nice, particularly once you get a little older and
Speaker 2: you like the idea of having an air conditioning system
Speaker 2: that you can turn on to keep you cool. But hey,
Speaker 2: when you're seventeen or eighteen, it's kind of nice to
Speaker 2: be able to go out and buy seven hundred dollars
Speaker 2: a lobby that lets you get from A to B,
Speaker 2: you know, And it's one of the reasons why, you know,
Speaker 2: when we were at that age, we became functional adults
Speaker 2: a lot sooner than the kids today. Because cars, they've
Speaker 2: been priced out of cars largely, and part of the
Speaker 2: reason for that, it's what I like to call this
Speaker 2: riptide effect of being comfortable with extravagant debt. You know,
Speaker 2: people now think nothing of signing up for a fift
Speaker 2: or sixty thousand dollars in denture. That's, you know, for
Speaker 2: a car for the next six years you're going to
Speaker 2: be paying five six hundred dollars a month for it.
Speaker 2: Because they all have these things that are now standard
Speaker 2: that used to be considered luxurious. There used to be
Speaker 2: a thing We'll remember you and I can remember called
Speaker 2: an economy car. Remember economy cars?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Shell it was at car was
Speaker 1: a Pento you want to talk about. An economy car
Speaker 1: had rubber mats, It didn't have air conditioning, it didn't
Speaker 1: have power windows.
Speaker 3: It was it was pretty bare bound. I tell you what.
Speaker 3: We were living in Florida.
Speaker 1: If you don't have air conditioning in Florida, you're thinking
Speaker 1: about it all the time.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Now, to be clear, I am in no way disparaging
Speaker 2: the comforts and amenities that new cars have. My point
Speaker 2: is that now that they all have that, they become
Speaker 2: extravagantly expensive and there's no downward price pressure. Back in
Speaker 2: the day, when you had the option to pick say
Speaker 2: a luxury car or luxury features, which was what they
Speaker 2: were considered once, like air conditioning, in power windows and
Speaker 2: automatic transmission, it kept prices in check because you always
Speaker 2: have that option. If you wanted to buy the higher
Speaker 2: and more expensive car, you could, but you know, on
Speaker 2: ether side of the lot there was a more inexpensive car.
Speaker 2: I remember, just after we got out of car college,
Speaker 2: one of my best friends, he just lives down the
Speaker 2: road for me. He wanted to start a roofing business.
Speaker 2: And so he bought a brand new eighty nine Ford
Speaker 2: F one fifty pick up. Now it just had a
Speaker 2: straight six engine, manual transmission, manual, four wheel drive, and
Speaker 2: that was it. No air conditioning, no power windows, nothing,
Speaker 2: And he could afford to do that, you know, as
Speaker 2: a kid just out of college to start his business. Today,
Speaker 2: the least expensive aft Sun truck that you can buy
Speaker 2: is pushing forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean how many how many kids just out of college
Speaker 2: can afford something like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, it used to be.
Speaker 1: You know again, it was a real unusual thing to
Speaker 1: have power windows. My dad would get catallcts. He would
Speaker 1: usually wait until they were like two or three years old,
Speaker 1: so that all the appreciation was gone, but he had
Speaker 1: he would have power windows, and it's like, wow, look
Speaker 1: this has got electric windows.
Speaker 3: All the rest of the cars.
Speaker 1: I guess that I had for about ten years worth
Speaker 1: of cars before I ever had one that had power
Speaker 1: windows on it. They were all crank and it was
Speaker 1: not really a problem with the spitfire. Like we got
Speaker 1: behind me right here, the spitfire. While I was sitting
Speaker 1: there in the driver's seat, I could reach your car
Speaker 1: with so small I can reach across and I could
Speaker 1: roll the passenger window up and down with it while
Speaker 1: I was driving manually, I could roll it up and down.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're reaching a kind of event horizon now.
Speaker 2: You know, this was sustainable as long as debt was viable.
Speaker 2: But I think we're getting to the point now where
Speaker 2: people can't continue to assume the levels of debt necessary
Speaker 2: to maintain this Potempkin Village facade of affluence and prosperity.
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous self. Evidently. You know, what's the average
Speaker 2: family income in this country, something like sixty thousand bucks
Speaker 2: something like that, and the average price paid for a
Speaker 2: new vehicle as of last year approached fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: It's ludicrous. You know, you can't keep doing that. So
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's necessarily such a bad thing
Speaker 2: in a way that perhaps Americans who have gotten used
Speaker 2: to living beyond their means are kind of nudged in
Speaker 2: a way to go back to living within their means.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a bad life lesson. You know, the
Speaker 2: more you live within your means, the less you're at
Speaker 2: the mercy of these corporations. And of the government. You know,
Speaker 2: back during the pandemic, one of the great things that
Speaker 2: I had going for me was that I'm not only
Speaker 2: self employed, but I don't have debt. So I didn't
Speaker 2: have a corporate orval or telling me that I had
Speaker 2: to mask up, you know, and threatening me with with
Speaker 2: loss of employment if I didn't roll up my sleeve
Speaker 2: to get jab. You know, I had the financial wherewithal
Speaker 2: if I had to to ride it out, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's a really really comforting thing, you know, to
Speaker 2: know that you don't have to put up with really
Speaker 2: abusive kinds of situations at work, because in the back
Speaker 2: of your mind, you're thinking, well, if I don't, if
Speaker 2: I don't bow my knee, bend my need to this,
Speaker 2: I'm going to not be able to take care of
Speaker 2: my family. I'm not going to be able to pay
Speaker 2: my mortgage. I'm not going to be able to put
Speaker 2: food on the table. It's an enormous pressure that's been
Speaker 2: applied and people, it's very subtle. People have fought into
Speaker 2: this now. You know, for at least the less generation
Speaker 2: or two it's been, it's been more realized to live
Speaker 2: paycheck to paycheck, to have no savings and thus to
Speaker 2: be completely at the mercy of these big corporations and
Speaker 2: the government too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday I interviewed a couple of doctors, a married couple,
Speaker 1: and they were both mds, physicians and New Zealand. They
Speaker 1: did clinical trials and stuff like that. But he had
Speaker 1: gotten out even before the COVID stuff, and I said, so,
Speaker 1: you know, when the interview was over, I talked to him.
Speaker 1: I said, so, what are you doing now. You know,
Speaker 1: both of you were doctors and you've had to get
Speaker 1: out of your position because of your principles and because
Speaker 1: you were fighting this stuff on the basis of real
Speaker 1: science and things like that. And they said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we've got some farmland and we're homeschooling our kids and
Speaker 1: we're raising food and we're self sufficient, just like you
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. They said, we've never been
Speaker 1: happier because we don't have to work for a corporation
Speaker 1: and we're not and they're not working in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: They would be working for the government as part as
Speaker 1: being a doctor and that type of thing. But they're
Speaker 1: now independent and self sufficient and they've got neighbors. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're living the life that we all aspire to, I think,
Speaker 1: and it's worked out for them. That really needs you know,
Speaker 1: we need to have our goals and our aspirations, I
Speaker 1: think adjusted. In this country. They've been telling us for
Speaker 1: the longest time that both husband and wife need to
Speaker 1: be working for the man and we've got to have
Speaker 1: these careers and that's the only way that we're going
Speaker 1: to have any real self respect or respect from other people.
Speaker 1: And that simply isn't true. But they put that onus
Speaker 1: on us that oh, you need to have a job
Speaker 1: and you need to have a title or you're nothing,
Speaker 1: and that really isn't true. You know, we need to
Speaker 1: completely rethink these lies that they're telling us about how
Speaker 1: we evaluate ourselves, how we evaluate our life, what our
Speaker 1: goal in life is. That is what really needs to
Speaker 1: be rethought. We need to start with the reformation with ourselves,
Speaker 1: and that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I think so too, And I think it's politically poisonous,
Speaker 2: particularly with regard to the younger crowd. You know, the
Speaker 2: general that's coming up now that's in their twenties, that
Speaker 2: feels to spare hopelessness and anger when they look at
Speaker 2: the stats that you know, at an average house now
Speaker 2: costs the average price for a house is four hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars now, and they can't afford a car, they
Speaker 2: can't afford a house, and they feel like they're going
Speaker 2: to be living in their parents' house until they're forty,
Speaker 2: you know, if they ever get out of their parents' house,
Speaker 2: and that is fertile ground for this Marxism that's been
Speaker 2: percolating upward everywhere where. They promise people, oh, just like
Speaker 2: Lenin did land food, you know, will take care of you.
Speaker 2: Don't worry the oppressors, when in fact they be. The
Speaker 2: whole reason for the problem has to do with exactly
Speaker 2: the machinations of these machinators, and the people who are
Speaker 2: responsible for it, you know, are the ones who are
Speaker 2: offering the solution. It's it's just it's absolutely tragic because
Speaker 2: these kids, they don't know. You and I grew up
Speaker 2: in a different world. You know, people who are who
Speaker 2: are under forty don't really know the world that existed
Speaker 2: before them, and you know, I don't know. It's our
Speaker 2: job to somehow try to convey the reality of what
Speaker 2: was to them so that they can see what be
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, I think a lot of them are
Speaker 1: seeing that. You know, the university situation is a potempcon
Speaker 1: village for the most part. You know, it can help
Speaker 1: you to get a job, but you know you're still
Speaker 1: going to be in that corporate world of control. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of them saw how that control worked
Speaker 1: out four years ago, and I don't necessarily want to
Speaker 1: put themselves in that trap, into a debt trap in
Speaker 1: order to get that degree and a lot of other
Speaker 1: things like that. So yeah, I think it you really
Speaker 1: do need to adjust what you aspire to. What you
Speaker 1: think is, you know how whether or not you care
Speaker 1: about what other people think, or whether you're going to
Speaker 1: pursue your own goals. I think that's really the key thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know you've got an interesting article. I said, this
Speaker 1: is the first one I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: about the Anodyne Exotic. And I tell you as somebody
Speaker 1: who owns a little tiny car that doesn't have a
Speaker 1: whole lot of horsepower, but I'd love to drive it.
Speaker 1: That really hit home the Anodyne Exotic. You know years
Speaker 1: ago Ron Atkinson, who's mister Bean and he's very successful.
Speaker 1: Of course, I got a lot of money as a
Speaker 1: movie start, he talked about how he's got hypercars and everything,
Speaker 1: a million dollar cars. They say, you don't really so
Speaker 1: much drive them as you manage them. I thought that's
Speaker 1: a pretty good description of these things. And I think
Speaker 1: that's really what you're talking about with the anodyne exotic.
Speaker 1: I mean, what good is it to continue? And this
Speaker 1: what the other public cas just want to appreciate about
Speaker 1: what you do at your website, Eric Peters autos dot com,
Speaker 1: is that all the other sites, what they do is
Speaker 1: they compare all these meaningless statistics about zero to sixty
Speaker 1: and all of the other metrics that they've come up
Speaker 1: with in the past few years, skid pad numbers or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's really is meaningless to the experience, and you
Speaker 1: focus more on the real experience of it as well
Speaker 1: as the things that they're putting in the cars that
Speaker 1: are going to make them unaffordable and are going to
Speaker 1: basically spy on us. And so I think when we
Speaker 1: talk about the anodyne exotic, that really does fall into
Speaker 1: that category that you know, there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that they've loaded this up with. It is really unnecessary,
Speaker 1: and you take it back to the real experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, cars have become quite one dimension. A good
Speaker 2: way to understand this is if you're a fan of
Speaker 2: stock car racing. All of the cars have to fit
Speaker 2: within a template, a literal template. They have a template
Speaker 2: that they fix over the body of the vehicle so
Speaker 2: that it conforms to whatever the standards are. And a
Speaker 2: similar thing is applied to new vehicle design and regard
Speaker 2: to the government regulation. So you get these vehicles that
Speaker 2: all look pretty much the same. So there isn't a
Speaker 2: lot of personality. There's not a lot of difference in
Speaker 2: terms of anything meaningful emotionally, the intangible stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: it makes a car interesting, Like you can think about
Speaker 2: the fins of a late fifties Cadillac or Chrysler. You know,
Speaker 2: just the look of that that was just wow, look
Speaker 2: at that. Somebody came up with that. That's just incredible.
Speaker 2: So you focus on the one thing that they're still
Speaker 2: allows some latitude with, and that's horse power and how
Speaker 2: quickly the thing can get to sixty. The problem with
Speaker 2: that is that, you know, once you get beyond that,
Speaker 2: it's very ephemeral. You know, this this car that I
Speaker 2: focused on in the article is the one thousand something
Speaker 2: horsepower version of the Corvette that's going to be coming
Speaker 2: out next year, and okay, great, So for a few months,
Speaker 2: it's going to be I guess, short of a Bugatti,
Speaker 2: the most powerful new high performance car that you can get. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, somebody else is going to make one with
Speaker 2: twelve hundred horsepower car and then they'll be fifteen hundred.
Speaker 2: And once that happens, it's kind of like owning a
Speaker 2: six month old iPod or iPad. You know, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, when you get it, it's the latest, coolest thing,
Speaker 2: But after a couple of months, it's just not anymore.
Speaker 2: It's old. And then because it doesn't have anything else
Speaker 2: about it that's particularly appealing that connects with you on
Speaker 2: an emotional level, it's just a throwaway and it's sad.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: All you have to do is go look and I
Speaker 2: put some pictures with the article and look at earlier quarvets,
Speaker 2: and they're just you don't even have to drive the thing.
Speaker 2: You don't even have to be physically in its presence.
Speaker 2: Just look at the picture of the thing.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, yeah, when I was a kid looking
Speaker 1: at those things, I didn't really care about the zero
Speaker 1: to sixty and from sixty to zero numbers, you know,
Speaker 1: with the with the Corvette, I just looked at It's like, wow,
Speaker 1: that is just amazing. And you know, the sting Ray
Speaker 1: Corvette was my favorite one, and it was a small car,
Speaker 1: you know, but both as a convertible and also as
Speaker 1: a fastback they were just amazing to look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely corgeous. You know, there's an analogy here that
Speaker 2: occurs to me too. I'm an aviation fan, and if
Speaker 2: you look at older airplanes, there was a lot of
Speaker 2: difference between one airplane and another. Military aviation, in particular
Speaker 2: fighter jets. Now they all look the same. They all
Speaker 2: have that same insect look. And the reason they had
Speaker 2: that insect look is because it is dictated by the function.
Speaker 2: You know, they're trying to maximize the performance of the
Speaker 2: aircraft within a certain envelope. And the same is true
Speaker 2: with regard to these exotics. It's why the new Corvette
Speaker 2: looks like the new Lamborghini, which looks like the new Ferrari,
Speaker 2: which looks like the new whatever it is, they all have,
Speaker 2: you know, that same sort of angular, insectoid look. And
Speaker 2: motorcycles is another one. You know, I have motorcycles. I
Speaker 2: love motorcycles. Now, you know how you tell the difference
Speaker 2: between a Honda and a Kawasaki and a Suzuki by
Speaker 2: the color of the plastic. You know, Hondas are red,
Speaker 2: Kawasakis are green, Suzuki's are blue, Yamahas are yellow. But
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking about hyperbikes here, sport bikes, which
Speaker 2: is the analysis of the supercars, because you know, the
Speaker 2: sole objective is to see how quickly this thing can
Speaker 2: go through the quarter mile and how fast it can
Speaker 2: go on the top end. That sort of windows down
Speaker 2: and dictates what type of shape you're going to have.
Speaker 2: So that's why they all look the same. You're respective
Speaker 2: of the brand.
Speaker 1: Well, at least they're doing them in different colors, because
Speaker 1: most of the cars are either you know, black, white,
Speaker 1: a shade of gray or red, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: very rare that you see a car that's different color.
Speaker 1: I was driving with Karen.
Speaker 3: The other day. She said, look at that car. There's
Speaker 3: the color. It's not a.
Speaker 1: Black or white cars and I forgot what it was.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like it, but it's it's interesting that they
Speaker 1: have a different color.
Speaker 2: But this was inadvertent because you know, I've I've kind
Speaker 2: of thought about that off and on peripherally for actually
Speaker 2: a number of years. Why are these cars all pretty
Speaker 2: much all the same color? You see lots of over white,
Speaker 2: you know, this is these sort of generic milk box
Speaker 2: kind of cont of colors. And I got to looking
Speaker 2: at some of the stats of one of the vehicles
Speaker 2: that I was reviewing, and I noticed, my god, they
Speaker 2: charge you extra for most of the other colors, and
Speaker 2: not just a little bit either, you know. I think
Speaker 2: it was a Mini. I was driving a Mini Clubman
Speaker 2: a few weeks back, and if you wanted anything but
Speaker 2: one or two colors, you had to pay eight hundred
Speaker 2: dollars extra for it.
Speaker 3: Well, when you look at what they're doing with it.
Speaker 1: I saw an article I forget which there's probably several
Speaker 1: of them that are doing it now, you know, different
Speaker 1: functions on the cars. I think it was it was
Speaker 1: Audi or Mercedes. Maybe BMW is a German car, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want this function that I would
Speaker 1: take for granted, uh, you've got to pay an annual
Speaker 1: subscription rate to it, you know, And they're doing that now.
Speaker 1: They're they're taking these these different functions of the car
Speaker 1: and making them a subscription.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's the Netflix model. At least when you pay
Speaker 2: under Bucks for the different colored paint, you actually own
Speaker 2: the paint, I guess. But you're right now it's me
Speaker 2: and W that you're thinking about. They and it was
Speaker 2: Tesla that started this. Of course, Tesla was the one
Speaker 2: that came up with this idea of requiring you to
Speaker 2: subscribe to the features. The features are all built into
Speaker 2: the car, but they're only activated if you pay the fee. Now,
Speaker 2: people discovered this because they would sell the car, you know.
Speaker 2: So the second owner of the Tesla and he looks
Speaker 2: at the windowsticker and it says that it comes with
Speaker 2: whatever the feature is. I think it was in particular
Speaker 2: their self driving features. So it looks like, Okay, the
Speaker 2: guy ordered this with the self driving feature. Great, that's
Speaker 2: what I want. I'll be happy to buy this car.
Speaker 2: They buy the car and they find out that it
Speaker 2: doesn't work. And it's not because of the mechanical problem
Speaker 2: or an electrical problem. It's because they haven't paid their subscription.
Speaker 2: So they have to get in touch with Tesla to pay.
Speaker 2: And BMW is doing the same thing. Now they build
Speaker 2: the seed heaters into all the cars. You know, all
Speaker 2: the cars have the physical stuff that makes the seat
Speaker 2: heater work. But if you want it to actually work,
Speaker 2: when you push the button, you have to say a
Speaker 2: monthly fat.
Speaker 3: That is the chenziest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember what feature it was, but that's why
Speaker 1: it's a seat heater of all things. You got to
Speaker 1: pay them to get the seat heater to work. When
Speaker 1: Karen and I got married, we didn't have much money,
Speaker 1: but we had some time, and so we went to
Speaker 1: England for about two and a half months and we
Speaker 1: had no time, and so we were, you know, we
Speaker 1: were starving. We couldn't afford to even eat, you know.
Speaker 1: But we stayed in this one little beat up place,
Speaker 1: this many flatlet that was on the outskirts of one
Speaker 1: and particular. It's like almost an hour to get in,
Speaker 1: and they had for the lights, you had to put
Speaker 1: in a coins, you know, they were like a quarter,
Speaker 1: you know, And so the heater was like it was
Speaker 1: like a thousand watt little squirrel cage motor, like something
Speaker 1: you'd use for a hair dryer. And I mean it
Speaker 1: was cold, it was January, and then you would for
Speaker 1: the lights and for the TV and for the heater,
Speaker 1: you would have to put coins in this thing and
Speaker 1: it would give you a certain amount of time. I
Speaker 1: mean that's and I thought that was the strangest thing.
Speaker 1: But that's I think the seat heater that you got
Speaker 1: to get with a subscription is even chet seer and
Speaker 1: stranger when you consider the price of a BMW.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's great.
Speaker 2: Can you remember the like if you went to a
Speaker 2: shady roadside motel back in the day, they would have
Speaker 2: magic fingers. Oh yeah, same thing, the coin box on
Speaker 2: the side of the.
Speaker 3: Heat that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But we were watching a movie and you know, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, boom, everything goes down and we're like
Speaker 1: scrambling around the coins and trying to find the thing
Speaker 1: to put it in because the lights were gone.
Speaker 3: The TV was gone.
Speaker 1: Everything just go gets turned off and that and that
Speaker 1: little flat But.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, but at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: also infuriating because what you're doing, step by step is
Speaker 2: taking away the ownership of a vehicle. You know, when
Speaker 2: you asked bought it and it is yours if the
Speaker 2: word has any meaning, You paid for it and now
Speaker 2: it's your property into a thing that you were allowed
Speaker 2: to use, you know, within certain parameters, and as long
Speaker 2: as you continue to pay for it. And it's a
Speaker 2: really vicious business model, and I think it actually is
Speaker 2: neared by our friend Bill Gates back in the nineties
Speaker 2: when he came up with the idea of instead of
Speaker 2: you buying the CD that had the whatever, the editing
Speaker 2: program or whatever you were using, that you possessed. You
Speaker 2: owned it once you bought it, and maybe it was
Speaker 2: out of date, but it still worked, and if you
Speaker 2: put it on another computer, it would work. And if
Speaker 2: you wanted to give it to your kid, you know,
Speaker 2: for school, they could have it and it could work.
Speaker 2: To licensing software. Oh so now you buy the license
Speaker 2: for the software and you have to renew it, and
Speaker 2: if you don't renew it, every so off and then
Speaker 2: it just stops working. So that the auto industry saw
Speaker 2: that and decided, oh, that's a great idea. We're going
Speaker 2: to start doing that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the mid two thousands, I remember they started
Speaker 1: doing it with graphics programs and with three D modelers
Speaker 1: and everything like that, and all of a sudden they're
Speaker 1: all doing it as an annual subscription. Of course, it
Speaker 1: still is that way with Adobe, And it was infuriating,
Speaker 1: it really was. Talk about this nineteen seventy eight Mustang too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for thirty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: I thought that.
Speaker 1: I saw that, and I thought, well, I wonder how
Speaker 1: much my nineteen sixty eight fastback would be if I
Speaker 1: thought that, because well, I thought the Mustang toos. I
Speaker 1: didn't really care much for them. But yeah, it's amazing
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand dollars for that.
Speaker 2: Well some background. Not far from me is a really
Speaker 2: interesting dealer that specializes in classic cars and weird cars,
Speaker 2: including right hand drive stuff. They call it JDM Japanese
Speaker 2: Domestic market stuff, and a lot of these cars are
Speaker 2: are just driver cars, you know, if you want to
Speaker 2: get a neat old driver, you can get a car
Speaker 2: like that. And I go there every once in a
Speaker 2: while to sort of refresh my spirits because sometimes it's
Speaker 2: so debilitating to deal with every hum that's going on
Speaker 2: in the new car world. And I considered a barometer
Speaker 2: of what's going on in the new car business that
Speaker 2: they would actually seriously put a thirty two thousand dollars
Speaker 2: price on a seventy eight Mustang, you know, and for
Speaker 2: those who don't know what that is. You know, this
Speaker 2: is the Mustang that was in the day could just
Speaker 2: could just laughed at by practically everybody. Now, I helped
Speaker 2: to save the Mustang, to be fair, because things were
Speaker 2: bad in the mid seventies, so four radically downsized it.
Speaker 2: They took a lot of pinto components to make this
Speaker 2: Mustang too, which was the first Mustang to come with
Speaker 2: a four cylinder engine and which eventually offered a V
Speaker 2: eight that wait for it, made all of one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty two horse power, And so everybody laughed at it,
Speaker 2: you know, because at that time it was silly, because
Speaker 2: you know, the memory of things that were better was
Speaker 2: still fresher, you know, and you could always buy an
Speaker 2: older Mustang that was superior, and even the new stuff
Speaker 2: got to be progressively better. So the cars got forgotten
Speaker 2: and they were essentially worthless for many years. Well, their
Speaker 2: value was creeping up, because my god, they're starting to
Speaker 2: look better and better all the time. In the rear
Speaker 2: of you mirror, you know, you look at this far
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, which would I rather have
Speaker 2: this this extremely low miles pristine seventy eight Mustang two
Speaker 2: for thirty two thousand dollars, or a new four cylinder
Speaker 2: turbo Mustang with all kinds of multiplex touch screens and
Speaker 2: just disconnected drive by wire data mining, spyware, big brother
Speaker 2: apparatus that I can't work on. And I'm a competent mechanic,
Speaker 2: you can't do anything with these vehicles. I could take
Speaker 2: that little Mustang Ober two, even though its engine only
Speaker 2: makes about one hundred and horse power, and in a weekend,
Speaker 2: I could put a four barrel car barrier on it,
Speaker 2: a set of headers in a cam and I could
Speaker 2: do that for less than a thousand dollars in double
Speaker 2: the horse power. That's pretty appealing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, you mentioned the Penta. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the Mustang too had Pento parts in it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that it were.
Speaker 2: Four fans I think are pintos. It was the only
Speaker 2: Mustang to ever have I think it was only Mustang
Speaker 2: to ever have four lug hubs, just like an economy car.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, did it blow up if it got hit
Speaker 3: from the back?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, you know it actually was up. You
Speaker 2: know again, in retrospect, it was. It was more akin
Speaker 2: to the original sixty four Mustang. You know, the Mustang
Speaker 2: had gotten big and huge and head in nineteen to
Speaker 2: seventy three. It was kind of an overwhelming car. The
Speaker 2: original sixty four Mustang was a light, small, nimble, asual
Speaker 2: car that appealed to anybody. It wasn't just hot rod
Speaker 2: types and young guys who liked the original Mustang.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was a car that a housewife could drive or
Speaker 2: an older person could drive. And the Mustang too, that
Speaker 2: was made from seventy four to seventy eight was very similar.
Speaker 2: It was you know, smart design, had a hatchback. It
Speaker 2: was you know, it was potentially it was roomy for
Speaker 2: its size, it was economical. It was not a bad car,
Speaker 2: you know, even though at the time we all ridiculed it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I remember, you know I got my car,
Speaker 1: I guess it was seventy two seventy three and I
Speaker 1: had a sixty eight Mustang and I was looking at
Speaker 1: the new Mustangs. Its like, those are horrible. If I
Speaker 1: had the money, I wouldn't want that. It was so huge.
Speaker 1: I remember from the Bond movie Diamonds Are Forever, there
Speaker 1: was a scene where they're chasing where they're you know,
Speaker 1: he's driving the Mustang and he goes down an alley
Speaker 1: and then there's a ramp and he gets it up
Speaker 1: on two wheels and he goes down through the alley
Speaker 1: on two wheels. The guys who did that were out
Speaker 1: of Tampa, where I lived. They called themselves a Hurricane
Speaker 1: Hell Drivers, and they would always perform at the State
Speaker 1: Fair and they could go all the way around this
Speaker 1: dirt track on two wheels, and they did that stunt
Speaker 1: all that I'd seen that stunt so many times. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun to see that's done in
Speaker 1: the film. But they did it with one of those
Speaker 1: gigantic mustangs of seventy three Mustangs that were, you.
Speaker 2: Very pressive stuff, very aggressive style.
Speaker 3: Huge. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Pento, I guess I Karen had the Pento, and
Speaker 1: that it had was not a hatchback. It had a trunk,
Speaker 1: and that trunk was the thinnest piece of sheet metal
Speaker 1: I've ever seen on any car I've ever been around.
Speaker 1: And when you slam the trunk, it would just vibrate.
Speaker 2: And we had, you know what, Yeah, in the Pinto's defense,
Speaker 2: you know, and in Leiah Coco's defense, who at the
Speaker 2: time was the Ford Vice president of North American operations.
Speaker 2: That car was brought to market for just under two
Speaker 2: thousand dollars when it first came out, and like most
Speaker 2: of the economy cars at that time from American car makers,
Speaker 2: it was real real drive. To real real drive is
Speaker 2: exclusively for affluent people, because you can't find anything that's
Speaker 2: real real drive anymore that isn't basically a luxury, luxury
Speaker 2: branded vehicle. So this is a measure again of what
Speaker 2: we've lost. You could get a Pinto with a real
Speaker 2: real drive layout, and you remember when we were in
Speaker 2: high school, people would put V eights and Pentos vegas
Speaker 2: and things like that, and it was all kinds of fun,
Speaker 2: yere with a little front wheel drive car.
Speaker 1: Right, it's too complicated. Yeah, when you go back and
Speaker 1: you look at there's a company called Flying Miana they
Speaker 1: put they cram in really big engines up to V eight,
Speaker 1: like a Corvette V eight engine LS one, and they
Speaker 1: started doing that with the older ones, but it got
Speaker 1: successively more difficult for them to do it. By the
Speaker 1: time they got to the third generation of Yana had
Speaker 1: a lot of electronics in it, and then this fourth
Speaker 1: generation which just came out, well, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's been about five or six years now. They it
Speaker 1: took forever for them to do it. They had to
Speaker 1: hire specialists to do the electronics and everything to change
Speaker 1: out the motor and then put in a bigger, more
Speaker 1: robust transmission in it. It took them forever to do
Speaker 1: that because of all the electronics and how complicated.
Speaker 2: You're very expensive. Yeah, everything now is an integrated system.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you bought, for example, a twenty
Speaker 2: two charger with the V six engine that standard in it,
Speaker 2: and you wanted to put the HEMI that you could
Speaker 2: have gotten in the V eight engine, that's almost impossible
Speaker 2: to do from an economic, economical and technical point of view,
Speaker 2: because it wouldn't be worth doing. You know, you literally
Speaker 2: got the entire car, all of the electronics, because it
Speaker 2: won't it won't mesh, it won't accept a different engine
Speaker 2: than the one that came with it from the factory.
Speaker 2: The computer, all the related equipment won't work with it.
Speaker 2: So you know, I have a seventy six trans am
Speaker 2: as you know, and I can put any engine I
Speaker 2: want to in there easily if I felt like it,
Speaker 2: and as long as it physically bolted up, it will work.
Speaker 2: And everything else in the car will continue to work
Speaker 2: because there's separate systems. Sure, not interconnected systems.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, everything was interconnected on it. Getting back
Speaker 1: to the Pentow thing, you know, again what you began
Speaker 1: by saying in terms of people being able to pick
Speaker 1: something that they can afford, Karen was just starting out
Speaker 1: as a teacher. She didn't have any money. She could
Speaker 1: get a used Pentow and I think it was under
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars and you know, she didn't have to
Speaker 1: go into massive debt with it. It was stripped down,
Speaker 1: it was bare bones. And again it was an older car.
Speaker 1: But somebody stole that car and and.
Speaker 2: They came and gave it back to you.
Speaker 1: Well, what happened was it was she got a water leak,
Speaker 1: and it was a slow leak, and it was the
Speaker 1: middle of the week and I said, let's wait a
Speaker 1: couple of days and I'll fix it on the weekend.
Speaker 3: And so she.
Speaker 1: Would carry out this jug of water for the next
Speaker 1: two days to fill it up before she would take
Speaker 1: it to work, and she could make it. You know,
Speaker 1: they're in back by just topping it up because it
Speaker 1: was a slow leak. And so she goes out in
Speaker 1: the morning to with her jug of water and her
Speaker 1: car's gone. You know, it was parked in front of
Speaker 1: the apartment she's running. And she called me up and says, now,
Speaker 1: you brought me home yesterday, right. J just couldn't believe
Speaker 1: that somebody would steal this car. And they did steal
Speaker 1: the car and they had it for about thirty days.
Speaker 1: But the insurance company paid her for it. Is because
Speaker 1: I imagine they ruined the engine, probably ran it without
Speaker 1: any any water in it. But they paid her the
Speaker 1: full amount. And actually she made a little bit of
Speaker 1: money on the deal because she had gotten a really
Speaker 1: good price on it. But yeah, it was it was
Speaker 1: very bare bones and everybody was joking about did you
Speaker 1: leave the engine running? In a bad neighborhood? Would steal
Speaker 1: in that car?
Speaker 3: You know? But they take it a laugh about it now,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: And again here's another related thing, you know, housing, to
Speaker 2: get back to that issue. Because of zoning loss. You know,
Speaker 2: people who are just coming up and wanting to buy
Speaker 2: their first house. Used to be that you could find
Speaker 2: affordable little houses, you know, the starter home they called it.
Speaker 2: Now you can't because everything in the development is the same,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's only for people who can afford
Speaker 2: a four or five hundred thousand dollars mortgage. What happens
Speaker 2: to the people who maybe want to spend one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand because that's all they've got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and they're pushed.
Speaker 2: Out of the market effectively. And that's just exactly the
Speaker 2: same thing that's happened with cars, and cars I think
Speaker 2: set the predicate.
Speaker 3: For that, you know, and Raleigh, not Raleigh, Austin.
Speaker 1: They just they've got a neighborhood that they're doing three
Speaker 1: D printed houses with con and it's kind of interesting
Speaker 1: to watch them come together and I thought, well, are
Speaker 1: they going to make them affordable? No, they didn't make
Speaker 1: them affordable. They're extremely expensive houses. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when is somebody going to address that lower end of
Speaker 1: the market. I mean, here, you've got a situation where
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of labor, and yet you know
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be able to save some money by
Speaker 1: having the three D printed things. Like, what is the
Speaker 1: advantage of this thing if it's going to be expensive?
Speaker 1: And they've got an entire neighborhood of three D printed houses,
Speaker 1: but they're extremely expensive, and I think they're more than
Speaker 1: the medium price of the house. I don't know, it's difficult.
Speaker 1: Austin's kind of a strange market has been going up
Speaker 1: and going down, so I don't know really how to compairs.
Speaker 2: But isn't it ironic when you think about it, that
Speaker 2: we hear this endless prattle about democracy. Democracy is the
Speaker 2: deified word, and yet there's extremely little democracy in the economy.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have choice anymore. In the economy.
Speaker 2: Everything is dictated to us from the top down. And
Speaker 2: the effrontery of it because the people who are dictating
Speaker 2: it are extremely affluent and people who can afford to
Speaker 2: buy anything, and they're telling the people who don't have
Speaker 2: that much money, and particularly young people are trying to
Speaker 2: get a leg up and start, you know, start out
Speaker 2: in life that no, you can't have that, you can
Speaker 2: only have this, and you can't afford it well to.
Speaker 3: Bad Yeah, oh no. They want to dictate everything to us.
Speaker 1: They want to dictate what we eat, even, I mean
Speaker 1: all this bird flu stuff, you know, focusing on yeah
Speaker 1: monkey pock's now.
Speaker 3: But the bird flu the way they focused.
Speaker 1: On it, you know, where they were killing unnecessarily killing
Speaker 1: massive numbers of chickens and new Zealand. They did kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing with bees that produced Manuka honey,
Speaker 1: which is extremely expensive. But then when this time around
Speaker 1: this year bird flu, they start testing all of the
Speaker 1: milk and the meat and stuff. It's like, why aren't
Speaker 1: you testing the eggs if it's bird flu? Right, it's
Speaker 1: because they want to end meat and dairy. They talk
Speaker 1: about that. They want to dictate everything to us. Where
Speaker 1: we can go, what we can wear, where we live.
Speaker 1: You will own nothing. We're not even going to be
Speaker 1: able to afford electricity at the rate that they are
Speaker 1: ramping everything's up, they're ramping the grid down. You and
Speaker 1: I have talked about it for a long time about
Speaker 1: how they're forcing everything onto electric grid while they shut
Speaker 1: down power plants, and now with AI coming in, it's
Speaker 1: making it really impossible. But yeah, everything is about them
Speaker 1: dictating terms to us. It's a neo feudalism, it really is.
Speaker 2: And it's very cleverly done too. You know, they've learned
Speaker 2: a lesson. I think they were framing. From outright outlawing things,
Speaker 2: what they do is they outpriced things.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's getting to the point where average
Speaker 2: people cannot afford to eat meat anymore, and it's not banned.
Speaker 2: You can have a stake if you want to say,
Speaker 2: if you can afford a stake, and you know, continue
Speaker 2: to jack the prices up, it's going to get to
Speaker 2: the point where almost nobody accept that very affluent can
Speaker 2: afford a stake. You know, they're open about it when
Speaker 2: they talk about this carbon credit thing. You know that
Speaker 2: Elon Musk has taken advantage of it. But now they
Speaker 2: want to make it so that each of us has
Speaker 2: a carbon footprint which we're not allowed to step out of,
Speaker 2: and if we step outside of our carbon footprint, then
Speaker 2: we get hit with carbon taxes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you use too much gas, if
Speaker 2: you drive too far, if you eat too much meat,
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. You know, they have a mathematical
Speaker 2: formula that they can use to say, well, that results
Speaker 2: in the emission of so much carbon dioxide, and accordingly,
Speaker 2: you have to pay for it. You know, they frame
Speaker 2: this as the polluter pays. They're are really working over
Speaker 2: time to frame and characterize this harmless inert gas that's
Speaker 2: necessary for life as a pollutant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and who do you pay? You pay them? Right?
Speaker 1: You buy an indulgence from them, because there's King of
Speaker 1: the world. You know, they're the pope that you're buying
Speaker 1: indulgence from to pollute it. It's absurd. I just can't
Speaker 1: believe how how people are being taken in by this
Speaker 1: climate scam. But then when you look at what happened
Speaker 1: on the pandemic stuff and the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: you're still running your diaper report, people are still scared
Speaker 1: to death of this stuff, and they're still you know,
Speaker 1: they're still pushing the mask. Earlier in the program, I
Speaker 1: talked about this influencer who was a sociologist and worked
Speaker 1: for some universities and went to work for New York
Speaker 1: Times and wrote some articles defending the flip flopping of
Speaker 1: the mask recommendations, and they nominated her for a Pulitzer Prize.
Speaker 1: And she is cutting down scientists who are doing control
Speaker 1: studies and have done control studies. This one institution did
Speaker 1: them as early as two thousand and seven, but I
Speaker 1: had one that went back to two thousand and two
Speaker 1: where they were talking about the fact that masks don't
Speaker 1: work for any of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But they become very astute in using psychology to use
Speaker 2: people's innate good nature against them because most people are
Speaker 2: decent people and they don't want to be the source
Speaker 2: of harm. They don't want to be a problem. So
Speaker 2: you get them to think that, well, if you don't
Speaker 2: wear a mask, you're going to kill grandma. If you
Speaker 2: eat meat, well you're causing the climate to change. So
Speaker 2: you're a bad person. It's really adroid and it's really vicious,
Speaker 2: and I hope to God we can figure out a
Speaker 2: way to come back this because if not continue, life
Speaker 2: on this earth is going to become literally hell on Earth.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everything is about making sure that you don't
Speaker 1: offend somebody, that you don't harm somebody else. You know,
Speaker 1: your mask is there to protect me, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just like your vaccine is there to protect me. Because
Speaker 1: the masks and the vaccine they know, people know they
Speaker 1: don't predect, so you've got to wear one. And it's like,
Speaker 1: what difference does that make. It's absolutely insane. But let
Speaker 1: me ask you about this because you mentioned there's a
Speaker 1: place that has some unusual cars down not too far
Speaker 1: away from you.
Speaker 3: Is that where you saw this right hand drive seventy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very interesting article and I'm interested to
Speaker 1: know if you've made a decision. I tell people the
Speaker 1: preppers dilemma, tell them what your was about this.
Speaker 2: I am contemplating violating my own prime director I've lived
Speaker 2: by since I was in high school, which is to
Speaker 2: live below my means and to avoid debt to the
Speaker 2: extent possible. I never for the past twenty years and
Speaker 2: bought a thing that I could not afford to pay
Speaker 2: for at the time that I purchased it, because I've
Speaker 2: I think that debt is cancer.
Speaker 3: It's bad.
Speaker 2: But you know, we live in chaotic and crazy times,
Speaker 2: and maybe it makes sense to make an exception. And
Speaker 2: the exception that I'm contemplating making in this case is
Speaker 2: for one of these these neat JDM right hand drive
Speaker 2: export only models that you couldn't have gotten in the
Speaker 2: United States thanks to Uncle Sam. It is a ninety
Speaker 2: one Toyota land Cruiser, which is which is powered by
Speaker 2: a mechanically injected diesel engine with no turbo, that has
Speaker 2: manual four wheel drive, a manual transmission, analogue everything. There's
Speaker 2: nothing electronic about it. You don't even need a battery
Speaker 2: to start the thing. If you've got a hill, you know,
Speaker 2: just just roll it down a hill and it'll start
Speaker 2: and run. It doesn't need anything, you know, and I
Speaker 2: thought to myself, Wow, that might be a really great
Speaker 2: thing to have in the months and years ahead potentially.
Speaker 2: So you know, I can't afford to cut a check
Speaker 2: for it, but I've been thinking about, well, maybe just
Speaker 2: this once, I can take on a little debt to
Speaker 2: get something like that, because you know, it really could
Speaker 2: be the difference between able to get around without walking
Speaker 2: or pedaling in the future, because it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: these old diesels will burn practically any kind of oil.
Speaker 2: They don't have they don't have particulate traps, they don't
Speaker 2: have electric fuel injection. So as long as you can
Speaker 2: get some type of oil, whatever it happens to be,
Speaker 2: you can, you know, you can operate your vehicle. And
Speaker 2: that makes it a very viable viehicle to me, to
Speaker 2: my way of thinking. So I haven't come to a
Speaker 2: decision yet, but I'm I'm I'm definitely ruining it about
Speaker 2: in my head.
Speaker 3: So you haven't come a decision yet.
Speaker 1: I saw the article and I guess it's a couple
Speaker 1: of days old, and you are asking the readers to
Speaker 1: uh to chime in on this and let you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you taking a pole?
Speaker 3: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Kind Yeah, because I've got I've got one of the
Speaker 2: things that I've I've come to very much appreciate, and
Speaker 2: it was inadvertent about my site, is that there are
Speaker 2: a lot of really thoughtful, bright, well educated people who
Speaker 2: and I learned a lot from the people who do
Speaker 2: and I take I take their advice on a lot
Speaker 2: of things. And it was interesting because people fell on
Speaker 2: either side of the dividing line. Some said, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is this is something that's justifiable, this is something that
Speaker 2: makes sense, and others said, don't do it. Uh, And
Speaker 2: there's good reasons on both sides. And I still haven't
Speaker 2: come to my own decision about what to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You got another article, I see you, you see me
Speaker 1: talking about the Ford patent, which you and I have.
Speaker 3: Talked about this for the longest time.
Speaker 1: That it's inevitable that you know, they've got all the tools,
Speaker 1: and they've had them for a while. If anybody uses
Speaker 1: a map on your phone, the map app, you know
Speaker 1: that it knows what the speed limit is wherever you are,
Speaker 1: and so all you have to do is add a
Speaker 1: little bit of something to it. So that it can
Speaker 1: snitch on you, and that seems to be what they've
Speaker 1: got in the patent. You know, you and I should
Speaker 1: have patented that. And then if which file that people
Speaker 1: have filed ideas for you know, it was there was
Speaker 1: a patent. We're showing pictures on an electronic device or something,
Speaker 1: and they're collecting money from all these smartphone manufacturers. I
Speaker 1: mean literally, you and I should have hired a lawyer
Speaker 1: and filed a patent for that because we could see
Speaker 1: it coming years ago.
Speaker 3: You know, we saw that happen.
Speaker 2: All of this. We both have a conscience for all
Speaker 2: the hard effects.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really Willian, though entirely predictable. Forward it
Speaker 2: file the patent or basically an elaboration of technology that
Speaker 2: already exists. Of course, they claim it's only for law
Speaker 2: enforcement purposes, but essentially the one to use the tech
Speaker 2: that's already embedded in practically every vehicle that's been made
Speaker 2: since roughly about twenty fifteen, to use one vehicle vehicle A,
Speaker 2: to note the speed of another vehicle vehicle B, and
Speaker 2: to transmit data about the fact that that vehicle B
Speaker 2: is exceeding the speed limit to the authorities, or to
Speaker 2: the insurance mafia. So it's essentially to turn every car
Speaker 2: on the road into kind of a narc and you know,
Speaker 2: it means that it's a panopticon. Every time you go outside,
Speaker 2: you know somebody is literally watching you.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And as you say, we've been talking about this for
Speaker 2: many years, and they talk about this as a hypothetical,
Speaker 2: a theoretical, something that might come to pass. No, it's
Speaker 2: already come to pass. You. Almost all new cars have
Speaker 2: cameras built into them, and the cameras watch the car
Speaker 2: ahead of them, to the side of them, and behind them.
Speaker 2: They have speed limit recognition technology, so the vehicle knows
Speaker 2: not only what the speed limit is on the road
Speaker 2: that you happen to be driving on in real time.
Speaker 2: You know, that's updated constantly as you drive, but then
Speaker 2: it can juxtapose that with the speed that you're driving,
Speaker 2: and therefore it can tell that you're speeding, you're driving
Speaker 2: faster than the speed limit. And because the car has
Speaker 2: the ability to transmit the data that it collects, well, look,
Speaker 2: it can tell the insurance company, oh, you're speeding. It
Speaker 2: can tell the government you're speeding. It can say where
Speaker 2: you've been, where you're going. All of these things, so
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a matter of all of this
Speaker 2: now sort of coalescing. Bits and pieces of it have
Speaker 2: been added to cars for roughly the last twenty years
Speaker 2: or so, and now you can see the picture and
Speaker 2: it's almost there. It's almost become completely coalest and it's
Speaker 2: soon to be activated. And I think that's, by the way,
Speaker 2: part of the reason why a lot of people are
Speaker 2: deciding to opt out of a new vehicle. They're saying,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I'll pass I think what I've got,
Speaker 2: And a lot of people are saying, you know, I
Speaker 2: think I'm actually going to go back in time and
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get myself something older. It's analog
Speaker 2: that doesn't have any of this tech in it, so
Speaker 2: that I control my car and I might be spied
Speaker 2: on and data mined by my car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem is that, you know, you make
Speaker 1: that decision, but the problem with this is that it's
Speaker 1: these other new cars that are spying on you, even
Speaker 1: if you've got an old analog thing. You know, it's
Speaker 1: now like invasion of the body by fisher snatchers.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, there are always ways to get
Speaker 2: around that, and you know, and you probably agree with me,
Speaker 2: you tell me totally. I'm the kind of person who
Speaker 2: would refrain from doing anything quote unquote illegal, because you know,
Speaker 2: we don't. We're trying to do the right thing, right,
Speaker 2: But there comes a point when the system itself becomes
Speaker 2: an outlaw that your only option is to become an
Speaker 2: outlaw too, and to stop playing along with these games
Speaker 2: that they play. So you can do things like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, put a farm use plate on your vehicle
Speaker 2: that isn't specific to your vehicle, It just says farm
Speaker 2: use on it. They can't identify you that way, or
Speaker 2: maybe slap some mud on your license plate. Oops, so
Speaker 2: you know, I went off for a little bit awesober
Speaker 2: and they can't see what your number is. Do all
Speaker 2: of these things. There's nothing imral about it. When the
Speaker 2: system is immoral, you have a right to defend yourself
Speaker 2: against it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we we thought about that and came to
Speaker 1: our own conclusions about that four years ago when they're
Speaker 1: talking about vaccine passports and all the rest of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm not playing that game. I'll play
Speaker 1: a different game. And I didn't see any moral qualms
Speaker 1: with that at all. I think as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you know it is they like to put this guilt
Speaker 1: trip on you. You need to do this to save grandma?
Speaker 1: Do you need to do this to save your neighbor?
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, I'm resisting what you're doing in
Speaker 1: order to save grandma, in order to save my neighbor,
Speaker 1: in order to save my grandkids. Right, I'm going to
Speaker 1: resist you because you're the problem, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: do whatever I need to do to resist you. With
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and so some of it is passive,
Speaker 1: some of it is active nullification of what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think what they're doing is really turning every new
Speaker 1: car into some kind of a Stazi snitch to try to,
Speaker 1: you know, to surveil us. And it's this obsession that
Speaker 1: they have, and I think in a sense it's kind
Speaker 1: of a sign of weakness. They're so paranoid because they're
Speaker 1: worried that somewhere somebody is going to be doing something
Speaker 1: that is going to push back against their power. And
Speaker 1: they've got to follow and observe and track and predict
Speaker 1: everything that everybody's going to do everywhere. So they got
Speaker 1: cameras everywhere, and now they think well where else could
Speaker 1: we put a camera? And it never ends, they can always.
Speaker 2: Never facet of it is that there's this underline puritanical
Speaker 2: meanness to it, you know, this this sense that if
Speaker 2: you don't do things the way they think they ought
Speaker 2: to be done, then you're effectively a criminal and you
Speaker 2: deserved whatever punishment they decide to levy against you. It's
Speaker 2: really a hideous kind of psychology behind it. And Americans
Speaker 2: used to have an instinctive dislike of busy bodyism, you know.
Speaker 2: They used to not like the nosy neighbor who peered
Speaker 2: through the blinds, you know, to see what you were
Speaker 2: doing in the backyard. America has been undefined by busy bodyism,
Speaker 2: you know, and of course people have been conditioned to that,
Speaker 2: you know, for twenty years now. Back during the reign
Speaker 2: of George welb a Bush, I always refer to him
Speaker 2: as a chimp because he's a Semian imbecile. Form did
Speaker 2: my language toward but you remember, if you see something,
Speaker 2: say something, I mean, it was right out of East Germany.
Speaker 2: It was so profoundly Unamerican to have that kind of
Speaker 2: attitude toward people, you know, and unfortunately now that has
Speaker 2: become frankly, I think a very common kind of attitude
Speaker 2: that people have. What's what are they doing? It looks suspicious.
Speaker 2: I've got to call the cops. Yeah, so this is
Speaker 2: your business and leave other people alone.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Look at Tim Waltz during the during the lockdown stuff.
Speaker 1: He had a snitch line, you know, uh, hot line
Speaker 1: to snitch on other people that had ten thousand calls
Speaker 1: that were made to it. So they had people in
Speaker 1: Minnesota that were taking him taking him up on it.
Speaker 1: Take a look at the threats from this bureaucrat in
Speaker 1: the EU.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Even the other bureaucrats are like pulling back. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: we don't want to tell people where we're going yet.
Speaker 1: You know, I call him. His name is Theory Breton.
Speaker 1: I call him conspiracy Theory Breton. The guy was actually
Speaker 1: his dad was a bureaucrat, So I call him an
Speaker 1: s ob son of a bureaucrat.
Speaker 3: But he was he's gonna he thinks that it's his.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know that he ought to get involved and
Speaker 1: say that our political candidates in our election don't have
Speaker 1: the ability to speak into debate things. I mean, and
Speaker 1: it's to me, the most amazing thing about about this
Speaker 1: Trump Musk thing. People are, you know, on both sides
Speaker 1: of political divide. They're taking a look at some of
Speaker 1: the things that they said. But to me, the most
Speaker 1: important thing about it was that why aren't all Americans
Speaker 1: outraged about the fact that some bureaucrat in Europe would
Speaker 1: think that he could shut down a discussion with a
Speaker 1: political candidate.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If anything good has arisen out of what's been
Speaker 2: happening is that we're seeing a clarification. You know, the
Speaker 2: focus is now clear. It used to be that you
Speaker 2: could describe what's going on so well. They you know,
Speaker 2: they're just trying to do the right thing. They have
Speaker 2: good motives. They don't have good motives. They're evil. Evil
Speaker 2: and that's not too strong a word. They're evil people,
Speaker 2: and you can see they're evil. You can see their desire,
Speaker 2: their punitive desire to punish anything that they don't like,
Speaker 2: including if you're simply somebody who has stated an objective
Speaker 2: fact about you know, the best example I think I
Speaker 2: can pull up about that if you point out that, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Leah Thomas is a man. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sorry, you know, it's not a matter
Speaker 2: of his hurt feelings. He's a man, and it's it's
Speaker 2: just you can't change biology by putting on different clothes,
Speaker 2: you know, And to say something like that, now they
Speaker 2: characterize that as hate speech, and you know that is
Speaker 2: and ought to be extremely alarming. When the truth, when
Speaker 2: facts become hateful, you have a real problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always refer back to remember the Goldwater slogan
Speaker 1: kind of a paraphrase of that. Yeah, it's a extremism
Speaker 1: in defense of free speech is no vice, and moderation
Speaker 1: of content is no virtue.
Speaker 3: Because it's always done feelings. You know, it is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: When you look at this, and this is one of
Speaker 1: the justifications of that, sob. Breton had, and that was
Speaker 1: we've got to look at anything that is hateful. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you know we're doing this just to protect people.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like the Ministry of Love from orwell,
Speaker 1: you know, he's combining the Ministry of truth along with
Speaker 1: the Ministry of love. You can't say anything that is
Speaker 1: false or misinformation. You can't saying that hurts somebody's feelings.
Speaker 1: And it's like, wow, you've just rolled together to two theries.
Speaker 3: That the world side.
Speaker 2: It's to me just as such a self evident thing
Speaker 2: that free speech. The truth has nothing to fear from
Speaker 2: free speech, you know. I mean, if something is false,
Speaker 2: it will be established that it's false pretty readily. You know.
Speaker 2: This suppression of pre speech has one objective, and that
Speaker 2: is to stifle the truth and facts that are uncomfortable
Speaker 2: to certain people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is so fundamental, and we see it as
Speaker 1: being more and more fundamental all the time. For years
Speaker 1: we would say, well, you know, the Second Amendment is
Speaker 1: there to protect the First Amendment.
Speaker 3: I think it's the other way around.
Speaker 1: I think the First Amendment was there first because I
Speaker 1: think it is absolutely the most important one, because you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't use a gun on us in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: What they did was they use lies, propaganda, censorship, all
Speaker 1: of those types of things. Those are the weapons that
Speaker 1: they used against us. And I really think that it
Speaker 1: showed that the pen is mightier than the sword. That
Speaker 1: kind of psychological gaslighting that they were able to pull
Speaker 1: on people, creating fear, distrust, snitching, and all the rest
Speaker 1: that was done because of mass violations of the First Amendment.
Speaker 1: And so it really is the paramount one I believe.
Speaker 2: I think if ultimately implicitly, if you're not free to speak,
Speaker 2: you're not free to think. That's right, that's the bottom
Speaker 2: of the line. And once you're not free to think
Speaker 2: and to hold true to your own convictions and your
Speaker 2: own conscience and what you think is correct and right,
Speaker 2: you have no freedom. Everything else's meetings.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday I was talking a little bit about this
Speaker 1: new platform called Noster Tom that Dorsey what's his name,
Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey, that you know, he's thrown his weight behind,
Speaker 1: and it is supposed to be, you know, this independent
Speaker 1: system where you can have social media, you can have
Speaker 1: content like we produce and stuff, you know, and people
Speaker 1: can't even pay you for it. And so it's a
Speaker 1: way of bringing freedom back to the internet. But what
Speaker 1: he said was he said, it's not really about free speech.
Speaker 1: It's really about being able to think freely. But that
Speaker 1: really comes from the free speech violations. You know, that
Speaker 1: that was the targeting of the way that we think,
Speaker 1: and that behavioral manipulation that is there, that you used
Speaker 1: a violation of the First Amendment to do that, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but hopefully something will come of that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just starting to look at that, but
Speaker 1: it might be something that we all need to get
Speaker 1: involved in. So anything, what else is on your mind.
Speaker 1: We only got about a minute and a half here,
Speaker 1: So you know, what.
Speaker 2: About my interview with the parasite? Did you catch that one?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's right. I saw that. The property taxes
Speaker 1: because you talk about not owning anything. As long as
Speaker 1: we got property taxes, as everybody's pointing out, you really
Speaker 1: don't own your home, right.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that astounded me most, well, what happened
Speaker 2: was an assessor. You know, a government agent came to
Speaker 2: my house the other day to assess my profit, and
Speaker 2: I just I got to thinking about the assiscient way
Speaker 2: that most Americans just accept the idea that some government
Speaker 2: guide can show up. But what you think is your
Speaker 2: place to assess, to determine the value of what you
Speaker 2: putatively supposedly own, so that they can decide how much
Speaker 2: money they're going to charge you for being allowed to
Speaker 2: continue to occupy what you think is your home. Ye know,
Speaker 2: I ranked about the property tax a lot because I
Speaker 2: think the property tax is even more pernicious fundamentally than
Speaker 2: the income tax, because if you didn't have the property tax,
Speaker 2: at least you could at some point own your home
Speaker 2: or at least aspire to it and have a place
Speaker 2: that was truly yours. And in that case you wouldn't
Speaker 2: need income. Would you could be taxed in order to
Speaker 2: pay the property taxes. That's right, So you know, it's
Speaker 2: just it shocks me that people have accepted this, is
Speaker 2: this idea that you will never own your home, that
Speaker 2: you have to pay rent to the government forever until
Speaker 2: you did.
Speaker 3: And no politicians will talk about that.
Speaker 1: It's really amazing that they won't even they won't even
Speaker 1: talk about that. It's such a powerful control. And we've
Speaker 1: seen them confiscate property and sell it for you know,
Speaker 1: one percent of the value of the home. It absolutely
Speaker 1: is insidious. Eric Peters, Eric Peters autos dot com, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Eric always again, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, have a good day, and thank you folks
Speaker 1: for listening.
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